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really put himself in the picture for potential. The name

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is out there at Canelo Alvarez down the road, Mobilly

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gets it done. Heavyweight Action season upset for Guido Vannello.

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We're ready to recap these fights, the entire Top Rank card.

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It is the fight Freaktion Nighted recap podcast. I am

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the somewhat competent host TJ. Reeves, he is our insider. Hello,

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Dan Rayfield. Off the weekend, a weekend that has seen

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me travel from West central Florida to Jacksonville, Northeast Florida

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and back, including in the middle of the night while

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the Top Rank show was going on full disclosure. You're

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trying to hold down the fort without missus Rayphael, and

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that may be tougher action than trying to fight Christian

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Mobili Right now, between you and holding the house down,

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how are you off of the weekend?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. And the fact that my son set

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off our fire alarm about five minutes before we started

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to do the podcast, so I've been a little on intent.

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Speaker 1: We should point out unattention and authorities not called. You're

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not at the moment having a deal with the fire department.

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Speaker 2: Authorities were called. I started going off like fucking crazy,

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and I had the phone calling as it's connected to

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the ad T people, and I got the fucker's calling

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me in my house or you have a fire on

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the first floor? Is everything okay? And we got that

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all straight out. I got the alarm turn off, and

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then then I got my wife calling. She's in a

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work conference and she got the cost too, says everything okay.

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hold on, hold on. I'm halfway through my time as

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mister mom. We've survived two days so far, going we

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can make it till Wednesday, and we got the first

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day of school on Monday, so it's to be determined

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Speaker 1: Currently, we're in the middle of the of the storm.

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We are in the eye of the hurricane. We are

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facing savage punches to the hand and the body from

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Christian mobility, whatever metaphor you want to use.

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Speaker 2: I feel like devn tango about round.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, So but there is hope. There

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is school tomorrow, so good luck with that, by the way,

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full disclosure, M two take the driving test my sixteen

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year olds tomorrow. I may I may be calling the

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fire department for that when it's all said and done.

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But anyway, we give you a little peek into our lives.

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We recap fights, we've got news, we've got nostalgia, We've

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got much more. Rate us and review us. Let's go.

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Let's go with some ratings and some reviews. Do we

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need to bribe the audience again, We've had success with

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that before. Give us some five star reviews, Apple Spreakers, Spotify,

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make sure you're following and subscribing. We may have to

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bribe you coming up to give us some ratings and

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some reviews. We don't mind doing that. Rayfield's got the collection,

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He's got some extra items. He might have a perforated

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card of a fighter out of a Japanese fight magazine

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like he described before that he might want to I'm

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not giving those the way, bro, But I don't know

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if it's some no name fighter from you know, back

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in the day, Henry Akin Wande or something. I just

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threw a name out. You may throw some more names out,

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you know, whoever. Donny Lalan we talked about him before.

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If you got suddenly a card perforated from a Japanese

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fight magazine, who knows what you might give away a

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room key card with a fight poster on it or

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who knows, So we might need to brye. But rate

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us and reviewers. Please do that again. So I was

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working NFL preseason bill. You talk about a struggle to

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get through. It got through the Buccaneer preseason game. Can

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we reduce the number of preseason games please? I'm just

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saying that, just a public service announcement. Get through with that.

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I get to the vehicle we're driving back. I'm not driving.

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I'm now aware of the Vanello win and the gnarly

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nasty eye for Motmadov. I now suddenly pick up the

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Mabili fight in about the fourth or fifth round as

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Vanello fight. I've seen the back half of Mobili's impressive win.

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you were locked in the entire way, riding about it

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Speaker 2: Well, in terms of Christian of thebilly. I mean, it's

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of maybe winning rounds. But that was about an as

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an authoritative victory against devin Chenko as any of his

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other opponents who have defeated him have scored. That was

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as dominant as it can be. Now there are some

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his biceps in the fight, which you know, the ESPN

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crew caught it on tape. They showed the replay. You

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downslide at this point, obviously in the twilight of his career.

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he takes a good shot. You know, younger by almost

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ten years against his opponent. It was a good performance

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from Abilly. I mean, it was a learning experience for him.

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best opponent that he has faced. But let's talk before

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Devin Schenko. You want to talk about a guy with

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big balls and a big heart and an ability to

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take punches and take punishment. And you never even saw

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his face change, like he's like an assassin, Like you

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the canvas ten times. I mean, he just walked through

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the fire without an expression changing. I mean, and outside

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of the ring, you know, he's one of the nicest

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guys you'll ever meet. I mean, just humble and friendly

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and that's a cool guy. But he he took an

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absolute beating last night, you know, damaged arm or.

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your tweets while the fight was going on, and again

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a slightly dramatic, but I get it because Tim is

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stopping a fight, I don't take that lightly. I mean,

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any fight. Number Two, he's thirty eight years old. He's

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big puncher. He's way way behind on the scorecards obviously.

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anything other than the fact that he's down that maybe

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paid fighter in the history of boxing with a fifteen

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to five record or a fifteen and six record, I mean, now,

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to the credit of his team, and I'll shout out

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his manager, Keith Connelly, Sergi Devronchenko has made millions and

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millions of dollars. He may he has probably grossed over

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ten million dollars in his career, and that's because he's

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had fights he made, you know, good mid to high

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six figures for that fight. He's made good money against Charlow.

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a lot of money. I mean, Jimi Mongia, he made

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good money. I mean, this is a guy that's fought

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top guys and has gotten excellent pay. So he's not

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the street, is you know in Brooklyn where he lives,

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you know, flashing twelve necklaces and you know, with a

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with a bunch of people around him, with a big

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entourage and you know, driving fancy cars. He's a you know,

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another day. I keep seeing people saying, well, you know,

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get that much more money in the longer. About so

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eighth round, in between rounds, ninth round, in between rounds,

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shouldn't corner have stepped forward and just said, you know,

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serge enough here, like I get.

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gonna let it go a little bit. And you know,

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they were they knew about the injury to the arm.

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can you do this? They were trying to coax them

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through it. They're putting ice on it between the rounds.

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but it got to a certain point. I want to say,

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you know, was thinking about it and he was saying,

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gonna give another round a y he's got very little

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chance of a one punch knockout number one, or even

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a two punch or a three punch knockout for that matter.

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and you still let it go on. So I know,

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no disrespect to Andre. I'd known Andre for many years,

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a good dude, obviously a top trainer for many many years,

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has work with a lot of good fighters, including Sergey

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devin Cheko, including Danny Jacobs and others, Richard Kome, et cetera.

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I felt like the fight should have been stopped. I

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really do. I mean, And I'm not I'm not a trainer.

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I'm not in the corner, but I have watched enough fights.

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I've seen enough guys take punishment for are warriors who

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he was never going to quit, a guy like devin Chenko.

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He took an extra basically two to three rounds of

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intense punishment for really no reason other than the fact

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to say I went the distance, which in the end,

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you know that that ain't gonna pay your bills, you

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know what I mean. So I felt like it should

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have been stopped. Now, to deviren Chenko's credit, you got

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to tip your hat for one of the toughest dudes.

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Oh sure, the biggest parts you'll ever see. Never say die.

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end it was Mobili who won on the scorecards. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: And Mark Krigel, the unofficial score for top rank and

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ESPN had at nine to one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, and in watching it, I'm sitting there

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watching it, going, this is a one sided eight two,

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nine to one type decision. I thought the same thing.

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His face is bruising, so we've covered that.

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Speaker 2: The thing was I want to say that in terms

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of fights, when you're watching, in terms of are you

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being entertained as a crowd pleasing, A lot of times

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we think just about what the winner is doing. I

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find there to be some of the drama, and the

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interest is how the guy that's getting his ass kicked

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is persevering and getting through it. That is so to me,

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that's the more uplifting part. So you got it. You

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give him ability the credit for the win. But what

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made the fight to me in terms of like my

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attention being like wrapped as I'm watching, this is watching

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not mobility do the work and take them apart. It's

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watching watching devin Chenko absorb it and never quit. That

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to me is like more dramatic than the other guy

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pulverized him, and.

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Speaker 1: To his credit, he was firing back. He was even

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firing back in the tenth round. He was trying with

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whatever he.

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Speaker 2: Had left, just didn't have anything on the punches.

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Speaker 1: Me coming back that sometimes the corner has to save

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the fighter from himself and the fighters will even sway.

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I'm waiting for my corner to tell me that's it.

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Speaker 2: How about Michael Griffin? The referee was like, you might

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as well be sitting on a rocking chair in the

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corner looking at the fight, because he never even I

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never noticed one moment in time where it seemed like

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he was even looking that close stop in the fight.

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And all I kept thinking about was, you know, Michael

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Griffin was in the ring the knight that a Donna

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Stevenson was punched into a coma in Canada by Alexander Vodzig.

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I'm like, dude, what are you doing? At least look

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at the guy, at least assess him. Go up close,

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get in the corner between between rounds, right, what are

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you doing now? The other thing that pissed me off

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was they never really did that type of you know,

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having the I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about this.

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I don't remember seeing the doctor come into the corner

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or like in the in the heavyweight fight we're going

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to talk about, there was multiple cases where the bell

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would ring and they would call a time out because

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he had the bad eye with the bruising, and Macmaduke

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and the doctor would examine him and they would allow

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the fight to go on. I don't remember that ever

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happening in terms of this fight in the main event,

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because he didn't have any kind of you know, injury

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that you could see. You know, it's when it's starking.

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You got a bloody eye or a busted nose or

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you know, some kind of obvious problem. Although the you know,

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the bicep was certainly an issue, but it's not as

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stark because when you got an eye that's swollen up

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twelve times size of what it should be, so there's

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less Uh. I guess uh, noticing of that, so you're

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not gonna necessarily stop and call a time out and

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have it be examined. So I just thought, you know,

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I don't want to get too emotional and say that

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they were like derelict in their duty or anything like that,

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but I just felt like between a trainer like Andre Rosier,

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who's very experienced and has been with Sergei for a

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long time, and a and a top notch for many,

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many many years Michael Griffin to not even really like

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do anything serious about thinking about stopping. I mean, yeah,

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Andre said I'll give you one more round, but it

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didn't mean anything because he just let them round. You know,

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you gotta you gotta say to the guy from a stopping.

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You know a lot of trainers worry all that they

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stopped the fight. I'm gonna get fired. You know what

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if they stopped the fight and he fires Andre Rosier,

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So what the guy? He's barely got any fights left

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in his current anyway. So I don't know, I just

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felt like I'm watching what especially.

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Speaker 1: The circumstances the worst with the biceps injury at biceps

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injury and also exactly right, this is how you can

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also lead to guys getting seriously hurt and then you're

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regretting the rest of it. Okay, so we've sufficiently covered

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that part. Let's propm mobility for how good he looked?

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Vicious overhand right right, body punching, landed what like forty

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something body punches in the ten round fight. All right,

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what's his short term future? And is that name Canelo

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that I alluded to maybe a guy maybe that's on

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the radar for Mobili in twenty twenty five. How realistic?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what Mobilly wants, That's what he wanted even

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before this fight. The reality is he's ranked number one

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by the WBC. It doesn't mean he's the mandatory, but

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he is number one in the organization that are obviously

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very well aware of him. He's ranked in other organizations also.

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It's hard to get a world championship fight in the

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super middleweight division currently because you have Canelo Alvarez with

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three titles and you've got the other title that was

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stripped from him in the IBF that is vacant. That's

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going to be fought for by your boy William Skull

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against Vladimir Chikan, which will take place at some point

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in you know, the next few months probably, so uh,

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you know, he's not going to get a shot at

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those guys now he I don't know if he made

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the case, like, did you see anything in the fight

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against Devin Shanko that was so overwhelming that it would

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kind of catch Canelo's eye? And I say that for

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this comparison, before he opted to fight John Ryder or

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not John Ryder? Uh, who is the fighter that he uh.

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Speaker 1: The horror? Right?

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Speaker 2: No, no, No, What I'm saying is before Canello selected

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Jimi McGee as his opponent that took place this past May.

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One of the things that jump started that possibility was

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a tremendous amount of conversation among fans and media that

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that Mangia had done what Canelo couldn't do, which is

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he won against against John Rider. But he did what

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Canelo couldn't do, which was to stop him and do

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so impressively, and that kind of ignited Canelo's interest and

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that led to the fight. If you take a look

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at what UH and Billy did against Devon Chenko, I'm

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not sure, despite the fact that it was a one

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sided ass kicking, that there was anything that's going to

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suddenly make people like myself or fans uh that are

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gonna say as suddenly, well, you know, Canelo needs to

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fight this guy. Now, I don't saying I would be

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a post to the fight. I'd be perfectly fine with

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that fight. And I think just from a toughness standpoint

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and a power standpoint that and Billy would you know

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he might he would hang in there with Cane.

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Speaker 1: Hypothetically if Mobilly fights another contender fight sometime in the

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in the rest of this year and looks really impressive

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coming off the derivd in Chenko, now it's a more

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compelling case. You're just saying, right now, is it compelling enough?

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And it's probably not compelling enough.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, If Knello Albarez is

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going to continue to box and he's going to continue

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to have events and he's still a champion, you can't

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just go in the ring and not fight another person

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on the other side of the ring. You need guys.

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And if you ask me a guy like Mbilly who's

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an entertaining fight fighter that Canela wants to fight guys

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that make good fights. He always says, who's a good

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puncher who's obviously got he's got. You saw the personality

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to come out of him when he was started singing

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to the crowd. You know, he definitely has a little

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swagger to him, so I do think that could be

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built up into something good. It's that he needs to

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get know now. They it's good for him to talk

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about wanting to fight Canelo Avers and that's fine. Obviously,

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Canello's got to deal with Edgar Berlanga coming up in

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the h in his next fight in September. The more

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likely scenario, and I'm not saying it's definite, but this

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was the fact even before this fight took place. I

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wrote about this when they did the deals. Top Rank

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is working with himI Mangia. He's going to fight against

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Eric Bazinian, another one of the Canadian fighters that's in

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the similar stable as Mobility. They're going to fight September twenty.

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It's on a Top Rank card in Arizona. And if

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Mongia is out of that fight with a victory no injuries,

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then the fight that Top Rank has told me flat

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out that they'd like to do is Mongia against Christian

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and Billy. That's a fantastic sign that puts the winner

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in a great position because if you're not fighting Canelo,

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you gotta fight other shit to do in the division. Sure,

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you can't just sit around and not do anything. So

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for a fight that's not for a title, that's not

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you know, like a big pay per view or something

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like that, I think a fight between and Billy and

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and uh him and McGhie, that's just about as good

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of a fight as you can make in the super

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middleweight division in terms of entertainment value without a title

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is anything I can think of unless I'm just you know,

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spacing out and by one other If Tenko won the fight,

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we would have been talking about maybe Mongia and Devren

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Chango in a rematch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, one other thing and then I want to

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move on to the rest of the card and the

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other stuff that we've got going. Mabilly has one other

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leverage thing that he's built a following in Quebec in Montreal,

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and Montreal has had a bunch of world title fights.

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Would that somehow factor in Canelo comes to Canada. I

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know you're shaking your head. I'm just playing amateur matchmaker

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that that's an angle to help sell that fight beyond

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just him having to look devastating in the ring and

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be number one ranked, et cetera. Does that have any help?

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Speaker 2: No? He first of all, he's not as he's not

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that level of an attraction in Canada. Seems like there's

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a lot of empty seats over there in Quebec City

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the other night. Uh. And so the answer is no.

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I mean, it's one thing to draw for a local

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fight and bring in a few thousand people. Uh. Canelo

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doesn't do Canada. Canelo doesn't go there where there's you know,

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high taxes. You want to fight Canelo avers you're coming

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where he wants you to fight. That's probably Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: So that hampers him in that regard to if.

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Speaker 2: It's not, it doesn't, It doesn't hamper him.

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Speaker 1: He's still well attractive. What makes him the most attractive option?

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And maybe it is now a Mongia win, another win,

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a convincing win, maybe makes him more attractive.

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Speaker 2: We'll see if we talked about what what did what

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did Mugia do against Ryder in comparison to what Canelo did.

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Now we're in a situation where maybe John Ryder, I

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mean not John Ryder. Maybe Uh, the billy and Mongia

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fight each other, and maybe among billy stops in Mongia, possible.

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Speaker 1: Which did not which Canelo did not do.

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Speaker 2: So again the same situation. Now, maybe Mongia wins the fight.

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I don't know if that's going to necessarily it certainly

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in my mind doesn't trigger a rematch against Canelo. But

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here's the very very basic thing. Canelo Alvarez is going

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to always need opponents to fight. And who doesn't want

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to have a good opponent like and Billy in the

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pocket to select when you've got a guy that makes

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good fights, that's got some swaggering personality, who's undefeated, who

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by the way, is number one in the WBC and

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ranked in the other organizations as well, and there's not

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a single boxing fit out there, and we'll look at

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that fight and say that's trash, that's crap. And I'll

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tell you right now, there's probably a lot of people

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out there that would probably say, let me see m

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Abillity rather than Berlanga.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. All right, co feature fight. As you mentioned, gnarly nasty,

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swollen left eye. We both thought that mak Madou would

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end up winning instead. Guido Vanello credit him, he gets

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the victory. And this also, as you put and we

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talked about a little bit in the build up in

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your substack. This Avenge is an earlier career loss for

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Vanello as well. What a what a win for him?

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And again here we go back to how long are

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we going to let this go on? With a left

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eye swollen virtually shut from early on in the fight.

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And finally it was what the eighth round when the

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doctor and the referee agreed, Okay, that's it. It's done.

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Your thoughts on Vanello's win there in the heavyweight division.

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Speaker 2: You know, I liked Vnello when he turned pro out

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of the Olympics. I got a little less impressed as

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his fights went on, and then he lost to Johnny Rice,

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and then even though it was a competitive fight, he

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lost to Faa Jagua. I gotta give him credit though

470
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,599
here he is against a big, strong guy like Mac macduff, who,

471
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,680
by the way, showed himself in my mind to be

472
00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:33,400
one of like the least athletic heavyweights with big power.

473
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,599
You'll see like just has no fluidity to him, terrible footwork.

474
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,559
I mean, I'm not trying to tell you I'm Eddie

475
00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:40,400
Futch here, but you don't have to be, you know,

476
00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:43,799
Emmanuel Stewart or Joe Gooseen. Eddie Futch or any other

477
00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:47,480
top trainer to notice just the basic flaws in his game.

478
00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:50,079
You know, Vnella was like more of as a heavyweight

479
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,839
go anyway, a classic of like boxer punch or he's

480
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,880
light on his feet, he moves really well, he's got

481
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,640
a good long jab. You know, technically he's a lot

482
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,680
better than Mackmandu. But mackmcdof. You know, what I had

483
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,839
seen was he just got that brute strength and can

484
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,000
knock you out. But he didn't really seem like he

485
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,960
he had much of that the other night. The main thing, though,

486
00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:13,759
is this Vannello as down as people were on him.

487
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,599
You know, when he lost the fight that Jagba, in

488
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,880
his mind he thought he won the fight. It was close.

489
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,519
You could argue he got he should have got to win.

490
00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:23,359
But he he took a lot out of that. Like

491
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,480
he he performed about his best as he ever had

492
00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:29,200
even in the loss that you know, according to his comments,

493
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,640
that gave him confidence and he was able to put

494
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,920
it all together, said, this was the best I'd ever

495
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,039
been in my built in my preparation for a fight,

496
00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:39,160
Like he was really locked in mentally and physically. He

497
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,359
looked in great condition and you know, you got to

498
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,599
give him credit. Fought a good fight, perfect kind of

499
00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:47,119
game plan, showed a lot of toughness, showed a lot

500
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,400
of heart. You know, he suffered a bad cut over

501
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,559
his eye, like that was a vertical cut. That blood

502
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,480
was right and kind of running into the corner of

503
00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:56,759
his eye. But but he was the guy that was

504
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,680
snappy with his right hand, good jab through some body

505
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,200
shot and kept him off balance and tied up when

506
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,279
he had to and did some damage. And that I obviously,

507
00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:07,680
and I don't know if it was a head butter,

508
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,319
if it was a punch. They never really made that clear.

509
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,039
But obviously it was a punch. That's what they said

510
00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:13,519
because that's what ended the fight. They didn't go to

511
00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:16,519
the scorecards. But that was as bad as a as

512
00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:19,160
a as a swollen eye. I kept thinking about it.

513
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,079
Wasn't I mean as to think about the swollen eyes

514
00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:22,799
you've seen. I'm thinking in like Rocky was where he

515
00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:24,880
tells Mickey to cut him. You know, that's the type

516
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,200
of dwelling that there was. So obviously Macmandou was was

517
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,279
hampered by the fact that he's a one eyed fighter.

518
00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:34,000
If we saw Devin Chenko is a one armed fighter.

519
00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:36,720
In the main event. We saw Mac mcdou as a

520
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:39,880
one eyed fighter, you know, in much of this co feature.

521
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,960
But that's a career win for Vannello. That's gonna get

522
00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:46,680
him other fights. He's now thirteen and two with the draw,

523
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:49,440
still got eleven knockouts, only thirty years old, which by

524
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,880
heavyweight standards, he's still somewhat on the younger side. And

525
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,960
he can he can play in the sandbox with any

526
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,279
of these guys. I mean, I saw some people suggesting

527
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,599
when Jared Anderson comes back with top rank, that's a

528
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,400
fight that they can do in house. That would certainly

529
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,559
create some interest based on the performances that they've both

530
00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:07,559
had in recent fights. But it doesn't even have to

531
00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:09,839
be that because Vnella can now put himself in the

532
00:24:09,839 --> 00:24:12,519
conversation for you know, I'm not saying he's gonna be

533
00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:15,440
fighting Tyson Fear, Alexander Russa, g Anthony and Joshua, but

534
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,759
pick a heavyweight you know you can fight your boy out.

535
00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:20,079
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what about my boy a Jet

536
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,160
Cabayel on a Saudi card or something we talked about

537
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,519
in the build up, not only on the pod, on

538
00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:28,400
the preview pod, but also on the bet Us show

539
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,119
that part of the lure here is that the winner

540
00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:33,839
is maybe gonna get to be in there against an

541
00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:37,480
a side contender as the opponent by winning this fight,

542
00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:39,880
and Viennello is now maybe put himself you would have

543
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,119
to think in position where it's you know, maybe somebody

544
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,200
like that or somebody like Joe Joyce or Chisora or

545
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,759
what you know, there's gonna be the way the heavyweight

546
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:52,640
division is currently. There's a lot of money to be

547
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,640
made and a lot of interesting fights by a lot

548
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,640
of guys who are all around a similar sort of level,

549
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,200
who are entertaining guys. You know, there's the obviously we know,

550
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:01,839
the top top guy who were fighting those gargantuan fights

551
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,160
with fury U sic Joshua Uh, you know, was gonna

552
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,039
be involved with one of them with Joshua coming up.

553
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:08,839
But then there's a bunch of other guys behind them,

554
00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:11,960
whether Joe Parker, your boy at g Cabiel, you know,

555
00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:16,319
joy Jelai. You know, I just say, like Nacola, yeah,

556
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,359
but now now, I mean, I'm not saying Vanello is

557
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,559
necessary even on those guys level, but he's not in

558
00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:23,119
the conversation that he can be. He can be in

559
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,400
any of those types of fights and it's not going

560
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,799
to be viewed as like it's not credible. And he

561
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,559
does make pretty decent fights. I mean I've watched basically

562
00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:34,119
every single fight of his professional career, and uh, you know,

563
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,079
I was impressed. I mean, I gotta give him credit.

564
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,759
I thought that he was a huge disappointment after the

565
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,400
couple of fights he lost, not to mention, there were

566
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,039
fights where he won where even though there wasn't a

567
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,519
question about what the result was, he just left you

568
00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:48,680
kind of yeah, you know, just not a not a

569
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:52,440
dynamic kind of performance. He's seemed offully pedestrian, but he

570
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:54,880
grows to the occasion. And I can't make Makmandoub out

571
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,759
to be some kind of boogeyman. He's be was, you know,

572
00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,680
did not show a lot of heart, did not show

573
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,640
any and two fights ago when he got absolutely waylaid

574
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,880
by Cabel in one of the Saudi Arabia cards, when

575
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,200
he scored you know, three knockdowns stopped him in the

576
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,440
fourth round. This was back in December on our great

577
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,720
part we love so much the Day of Reckoning. So

578
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:17,480
now now Machmandou, who's thirty five years old. By the way,

579
00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:20,799
he's now lost two out of three fights, and two

580
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:23,680
of the losses were by stoppage, so you know his

581
00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:26,880
situation is as kind of dire if you will. But

582
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,119
Vanello man, you know, good, good, good for him. He

583
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,160
looked good and he moves on, baby, all right, so

584
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:37,119
promising things for him. Speaking of promising, Abdullah Mason you

585
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,240
talked about in the preview mode, and it did not

586
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,079
take long for him to get a knockout here on

587
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:43,839
this undercard.

588
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: Tell me more, Well, I think it's very clear at

589
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,400
this moment that the Abdullah Mason, who was a lightweight,

590
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,599
who was twenty years old from Cleveland, he's the best

591
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:55,839
prospect in boxing right now. I mean, flat out. I

592
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,799
don't know who else is. I mean, I know people

593
00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:00,160
talk about I mean they talk about Andy Cruz, they

594
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,480
talk about this guy, they talk about that guy Cruzes, twenty.

595
00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: Yegs name, Diego Pacheco's name comes up.

596
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: And there there's a lot of great prospects. I mean,

597
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,759
I said Cruz because he's only got like three four

598
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:10,640
four fights, I guess.

599
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,319
Speaker 1: But Carrington, he's much older.

600
00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:16,759
Speaker 2: He's much older, and he's also got an Olympic background.

601
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,079
We're talking about a twenty year old fighter that never

602
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,680
had those like open amateur fights, that did not have

603
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:27,839
international experience to any degree. Uh, he's spectacular. I mean,

604
00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:29,519
we don't know what the future is at all, but

605
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,559
right now, the the sky is the fucking limit. Because

606
00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:37,279
he is a puncher. He's got good skills, he's got speed,

607
00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:39,880
he's got good size. He doesn't seem to struggle with

608
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,119
the way. He's got a very tight knit family unit.

609
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:45,960
There's not a lot of noise around in terms of

610
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,559
like the distractions outside. You know, it's there's not a

611
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:50,759
big entourage. It's like him, his dad and his brothers

612
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:53,160
who are also fighters. They all look out for each other.

613
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,720
I remember, you know, meeting him. I was at his

614
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:59,599
pro debut, which was on a card in Las Vegas

615
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,079
that took place the night before at Canelo Alvarez fight.

616
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:04,799
And I met him at the pro debut and I

617
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:06,720
don't know him well or anything, but set aload to

618
00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:09,720
him and was introduced to him and his dad. Humble

619
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,480
the light but an animal when the bell rings, I mean,

620
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,079
but not the thing that I like about Mason. And

621
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,640
you can't say this for a lot of twenty year

622
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,640
old fighters. It was already not by the way fifteen

623
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,920
and oh with thirteen knockouts, the maturity level that he

624
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,559
boxes with in the ring, if you didn't know he

625
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,759
was twenty and you looked at sort of the poise

626
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:31,599
he has, Like when you see him score a knockdown,

627
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,880
a lot of young fighters just go crazy and want

628
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,039
to just rush the guy and just bomb them out.

629
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,519
Mason will take the step back, he'll take a look around,

630
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:41,480
he'll throw a body shot, he'll throw a chef. He's

631
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,519
thinking three or four punches ahead what he wants to do.

632
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,160
It's not just about rushing in and trying to just

633
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,440
destroy the guy. I mean, there's a real thought process,

634
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:51,319
seems to me. So he's got the not only the

635
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:53,720
physical abilities and the youth and the speed and all

636
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,599
those attributes physically speaking, but he's got the mental thing

637
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,559
going on too, where he's intelligent about the way he

638
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:02,640
goes about out taking his opponent apart. So he was

639
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,880
fighting a fighter named Mike Ohan Junior who was like

640
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,599
nineteen and two with a whole bunch of knockouts. This

641
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:12,640
was like a considered I think from his perspective, from

642
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,680
the top ranks, the matchmakers and the folks at the company.

643
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,039
This was like a step up kind of fight for him.

644
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:19,720
This was a fight where they're like, hey, we can

645
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,400
get him some rounds. He's gonna go some distance with

646
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,839
this guy. And nothing could be further from the truth.

647
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,759
I mean, you know again, Oh and he had nine

648
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:30,839
knockouts coming in, so you weren't necessarily he had a

649
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:33,720
bunch of knockouts, but not against the top opponents. But

650
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:35,440
he'd been in the ring with some decent guys, like,

651
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,640
for example, a couple of fights ago or three fights ago,

652
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:42,599
he had fought the twenty twenty United States Olympian Tiger Johnson,

653
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:44,160
who's also a top rank fighter. They fought at one

654
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,240
hundred and forty and Tiger Johnson stopped them in round five.

655
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:52,200
But now he was back fighting at lightweight and Mason

656
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:53,799
just tore him apart in two rounds. I mean, it

657
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,519
wasn't even competitive at all. And the thing about it

658
00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:00,519
was the punch selection, uppercuts, body shots, right hand, left hands.

659
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:02,799
I mean, he does have the full arsenal. Some guys

660
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:05,599
you see, especially early on, you know they're a one

661
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,880
trick pony. Yeah, he's gonna get you with the right hand.

662
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,480
You got to watch out for it, but it's hard

663
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,359
to do. Abdulla Mason was throwing punches from different angles

664
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,960
and the upper cut was beautiful. It's just, I mean,

665
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:17,880
it's hard and I don't want to like tell you

666
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,480
he's gonna be Sugar Ray Robinson. I'm not getting too crazy,

667
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,440
but it is hard to watch him. Sure, and having

668
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,960
watched several fights him because it was already you know,

669
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,119
he's cap rank has been keeping him busy. He's not

670
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,559
you know, he's not at the level where he's gonna

671
00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:31,480
be only fighting a couple of times a year. So

672
00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:34,920
this was already his fourth fight of the year. He's

673
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,720
looked spectacular in every single one of them. He's going

674
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:40,200
to fight again, probably come, as he said in his

675
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,720
post fight comments. Probably he'll be scheduled sometime in November.

676
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,519
I mean, he's a he's a tremendous talent. So to me,

677
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,319
as long as he keeps doing what he's doing, you know,

678
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:54,039
stays away from injuries, stays away from the outside. The

679
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:57,039
distractions had always come along, it seems, when guys are

680
00:30:57,079 --> 00:31:00,000
on the rise, keep that tight knit. Don't let anybody

681
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:04,279
infiltrate the circle, you know, keep it tight, keep listening

682
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:06,440
to your brothers and your dad, and he's going to

683
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,319
go a long, long way.

684
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: Well, and you are somebody that has seen this. To

685
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:14,480
the positive, go the correct way and to the negative,

686
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:17,200
go the wrong way. So interesting advice you're giving there,

687
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,119
and you like what you have seen to this point.

688
00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:22,599
So that is the Top Rank.

689
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have to be a rocket scientist at

690
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,759
all to be impressed by watching this kid fight, especially

691
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:31,160
if you watch him. He's not. I'm not I'm making

692
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,279
my comments based on Justice performance on Saturday. This is

693
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:36,000
over more of the body of work of having seen

694
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:38,480
virtually every single one of his fifteen professionals.

695
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: You've done this for a long time and I've done

696
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:42,039
this too, and a lot of people that observe this.

697
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:45,599
You can tell. Does the guy have the goods? That's

698
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,119
a phrase that always comes around. Does he have what

699
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,079
it takes? It looks like right now to you, this

700
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,880
guy's got the goods, He's got what it takes. Can't

701
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,000
he get there? That's the intriguing part. What's going to happen?

702
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: So there's the heart part, you know, the heart third

703
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,039
part now was how does top rank handle him? They

704
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,119
can't just match him with like you know, schmears.

705
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: He's too good for that squash fights.

706
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: You know, a guy like Ohn Junior who he blitzed,

707
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,680
who was a very credible opponent. He blitzed him also,

708
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:16,319
so he's you know, they gonna take him the next

709
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:19,119
step up. Uh and now what what level are you

710
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:21,920
gonna talk about? I heard, uh, you know who was

711
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,680
that that was they referenced on the broadcast. I think

712
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,160
it was a tweet by our buddy tiith Idac saying

713
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,920
that now the matchmaker's gonna look to like match him

714
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,559
up with like the likes of a of a Jose

715
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,119
Padraza for example, or somebody like that.

716
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:33,039
Speaker 1: Top rank.

717
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: I don't know is he ready for that? He probably

718
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,920
is at this point, top.

719
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: Rank, well known opponent, B side fighter.

720
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:40,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Richard call me they were talking about.

721
00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:42,039
I'm not saying that that's what top rank's gonna do,

722
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,960
but a guy with a name that has some credibility,

723
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,839
that's been a champion. I mean, that's probably where he's

724
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,680
headed for. I don't know about then in the next fight,

725
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,200
but certainly, uh, you know, come twenty twenty five, and

726
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:54,839
you know it, certainly it gets to a point also

727
00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:57,240
with some of these younger fighters. He just can't hold

728
00:32:57,319 --> 00:32:59,559
him back. There's no reason to hold him back. I mean,

729
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:03,480
they're they're they're gifted athletes, and they're doing extremely well.

730
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,920
I mean, you know, to use a baseball analogy, you know,

731
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:11,119
when when certain players are doing what they're doing in

732
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,559
the minor leagues, at some point you just got to

733
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,119
bring him up to the big league because there's no

734
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,920
reason to keep him down there. I mean, I'll date

735
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,920
myself go back to like the mid eighties when the

736
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,920
Mets brought up Dwight Gooden when he was what nineteen

737
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,519
years old, and.

738
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,039
Speaker 1: He's right, that's Tampa's Dwight good and brought caught up

739
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:26,759
to the Mets as a nineteen year old, and he

740
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:28,480
was devastating. It was time to see what he could do.

741
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,359
You're a man, Derek Jeter. He played with them five

742
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,160
minutes in single A, Single A, and they said get

743
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,720
him up to Double A. And he played for like

744
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:39,359
a week or two in double A, and they said

745
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,480
get him up to the Yankees.

746
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:42,039
Speaker 2: Well he played more than a week or two. He

747
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:43,519
played fifty games or so in Double A. And you

748
00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:44,480
know what, I know that.

749
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: Why I know that because you were covering some of

750
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,119
the games because.

751
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: No Rayphael covered Derek Jeter as a double apels.

752
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: What I mean, but it along and the understood this

753
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,599
could be greatness. This guy's got the goods.

754
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: If the guy's ready to go, the guy's ready to go.

755
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,480
In top rank, in my opinion, in is excellent at

756
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:04,839
determining that if a guy needs fifteen to twenty thirty fights,

757
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:07,079
they're gonna give it to him. If the guy's ready,

758
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,000
you know, had to go sooner than later, they'll they'll

759
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:15,199
match him appropriately. So you know, again with Mason, I'm

760
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,159
not saying he's ready to be fighting for titles at

761
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,440
this point, but it seems to me like they can

762
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:22,440
definitely step him up to a significant level after what

763
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:24,440
he's been doing in the recent fights.

764
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: All right, good stuff on that for the recaps, And

765
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,960
we're aware that Denzel Bentley won the Queensberry Show with

766
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,519
a second round easy knockout. Again, he's ranked in the WBO,

767
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,360
He's not ranked at middleweight in the other three organizations.

768
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,719
He's still got to win some more. Suffered a loss

769
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,760
a couple of fights ago, so we acknowledge that it

770
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,320
is a recap podcast. He did get a win but

771
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,159
it's not like Denzel Bentley suddenly in championship contention, even

772
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,480
in a light in a middleweight division. As we like

773
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,760
to joke, your word is berefed, my word is devoid

774
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,000
of star names. It's gonna take a little bit for him,

775
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,519
but we were aware that he got the win in

776
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:02,559
the Queensbury show in in London. Okay, news and then

777
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:07,480
some nostalgia here Louis Alberto Lopez. As it turns out,

778
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:10,199
after that devastating knockout of the year candidate left hook

779
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,800
from Angelo Leo to take the IBA featherweight title. We

780
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,000
have an update that Luis Alberto Lopez actually had to

781
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,719
be hospitalized in the aftermath of that five what's the update,

782
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,320
Dan Well.

783
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 2: The reporting from our buddy mar Kriegel on the ESPN

784
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,199
broadcast was that after that when he went to the hospital,

785
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:29,840
he was diagnosed that he had a small brighten bleed.

786
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:33,400
Brain bleeds. Obviously there's different levels of seriousness, but they're

787
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,239
all serious, and that's when a fighters die from being

788
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,199
in boxing matches. That's generally the cause of what happens,

789
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,960
and it's just because the bleed is so bad. Fortunately,

790
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,239
it seems like they got this. You know, it was

791
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,800
very small and able to take care of, and he

792
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,760
was in the hospital, like you said, But it does

793
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,239
call into question whether I'll ever be able to resume

794
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,440
his career because most of the time that's a disqualifying

795
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,480
thing in many commissions where they're not going to license.

796
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,400
You've had that documented. He's on a suspension obviously, which

797
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,760
he would have been anyway even without the brain blade

798
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,360
from the New Mexico commission where the fight with Angela

799
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,480
Leo took place. And uh, look, that's nothing a joke about.

800
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:10,760
I mean, as I've said, I have been unfortunately that

801
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,400
fights where fighters have died. Uh, yeah, it is. It

802
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,639
is still a rare thing in boxing. But what causes

803
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:18,519
the death is you have bleeding on your brain and

804
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:23,880
you know that's that causes uh serious, Yeah, so thank god,

805
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,119
you know, I don't I don't know if he had surgery,

806
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:28,519
it didn't. It marked insane his report. I made a

807
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:30,039
couple of costs today. It is Sunday, A lot of

808
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:32,400
guys were traveling in terms of the top ring and

809
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,880
that sort of thing. So I'm just glad he's okay,

810
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,000
I guess, and uh, I have no idea if he's

811
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:40,679
ever gonna fight again. But it just shows you uh,

812
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,159
you know, we saw a knock out of the ear.

813
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,159
You know, he saw a situation that that perhaps has

814
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:47,920
altered the rest of his career or or taken away

815
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,119
from it.

816
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: And it's it's what we talk about all the time.

817
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,239
You cannot we don't. I don't say this lightly and

818
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,559
try to oversell and over dramatize, but the double impact

819
00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:59,199
when you smack your head like he did on the

820
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:02,920
canvas came to serious injury and even death on a

821
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,760
brain bleed and swelling of the brain. And that one

822
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,000
was devastating.

823
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 2: And that's why when we start to show and we're

824
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,079
talking about should they have stopped the Devon Chanko fight.

825
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,920
H this is the kind of thing I think about.

826
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:18,679
You know, he doesn't need I mean, look, it's a fight,

827
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,639
but there's fights get to a certain point where they

828
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,760
transition from being a competitive athletic endeavor to just barbarism.

829
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,000
And in my opinion, the Devon Tchanko fight went to

830
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,719
that second level where there was no reason for the

831
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,960
fight to continue. And yes he made it out of

832
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,920
the fight, yes he went the distance. Hopefully he doesn't

833
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,880
have a brain bleed now. This was a different scenario

834
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,000
because the brain bleed was not in terms of the Lopez.

835
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,760
We don't know when it started, but clearly there was

836
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,320
a cataclysmic ending to the fight in terms of the knockout.

837
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:51,519
But that's that's the type of thing you think about

838
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:53,440
when when you're like, all right, they need to stop

839
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,639
this fight. There's absolute zero reason for it to continue.

840
00:37:56,639 --> 00:37:58,440
So I think about that. Brain bleeds are nothing to

841
00:37:58,519 --> 00:37:59,199
joke around about.

842
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,679
Speaker 1: All right, Dan, you'll keep his posted. Be locked in

843
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,199
on the substack too. With Dan and his social media

844
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,159
and the Substack email newsletter, et cetera. Fight Freaks unite

845
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:11,920
for the latest. There. Oh, I know what's coming now,

846
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:17,480
Jeron Ennis? Okay, can't we have good things? Correct me

847
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:20,079
if I'm wrong? Is Jiron in us not one of

848
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:22,400
the hottest names right now in the welterweight division, if

849
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,599
not arguably the hottest name in the welterweight division? Am

850
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:28,000
I correct on that? I'm not overstating that right?

851
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: He just did a huge crowd at home in the

852
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,079
first title fight in Philadelphia. Yeah, look tremendous in that fight,

853
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:34,920
knocking out David.

854
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: I know what I'm coming to now. We have news

855
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,960
that the IBF is ordering him to make a fight,

856
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:45,760
which in and of itself isn't unusual, except it's whom

857
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,800
the fight they want him to have is against, and

858
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,559
Rayfael's ready to go off three two one blast off.

859
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: They want him to fight Karen Chikazian, a Ukrainian fighter

860
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,679
who is twenty four and two with thirteen knockouts, who

861
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,880
you may remember that in January of twenty twenty three,

862
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:08,760
Yes fought drawn boots Enna's in Washington, DC. Uh huh?

863
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,760
Was I was there ringside for that fight. It was

864
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,000
on the undercard when Tank Davis fought Hector Luis Garcia

865
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,440
and what happened in that fight They were fighting for

866
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,719
the interim IBF title at the time, the interim title

867
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:25,320
and drawn boots Ennis. He didn't just win the fight,

868
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,360
he won literally twelve rounds to zero on all three scorecards.

869
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,440
The only thing that Karen Chakazi couldn't say after that

870
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,039
fight is eye lasted the distance with Bootsennis, right, but

871
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:37,880
he lost every single round of the fight. It was

872
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,480
a shitty fight to watch. Since that loss, he's come

873
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:44,920
back and he has defeated three fighters in a row,

874
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:47,679
none of whom was gonna make you look at boxing

875
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,400
ranking and say this was a top ranked fighter. He

876
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,199
beat the at the legendary Michelle Marcano, who you may

877
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:55,800
have not heard of. I don't think I was a

878
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,920
second round knockout. He was twenty nine and seven with

879
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,639
a draw. He then moved on to a fight in Germany.

880
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:03,400
In October of twenty twenty three, did scare a ninth

881
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,440
round knockout in an IBF Intercontinental welterweight titled Doubt, which

882
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,719
is why he's associated with the IBF because he has

883
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,280
fought for their regional belts. And then in a I

884
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,920
guess it was an eliminator that took place this past May.

885
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,599
He beat on a twelve round decision, the legendary thirteen

886
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:23,159
and two Harry Scarf, and that's now enough to put

887
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:26,760
him in the mandatory position to fight Ennis again. It'd

888
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,440
be one thing if he never fought Ennis. It's still

889
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,880
grumble and get pissed off because he's fighting and nobody

890
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:33,840
you know when he's getting this opportunity with that easy.

891
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: We saw this already, That's the point.

892
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:39,599
Speaker 2: And it wasn't like that long ago. There was nothing

893
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:43,679
compelling and it just as I said before about other

894
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,920
instances with sanctioning bodies. I'll say it again, it's the

895
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,960
IBF doing IBF things. I've said this a million times.

896
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,440
One of I always talked about the rules of the IBF.

897
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,119
They follow them generally, although they've broken them recently a

898
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:56,599
couple of times. That we don't have to get into

899
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,800
as it related to Ennis, by the way, as related

900
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,960
to the heavyweight interim title, but I'm not in the

901
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,159
mood to even go off even more on that. Here's

902
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:06,119
the problem. One of the many things I say about

903
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:09,119
IVF roses, they're antiquated. They don't work in the current

904
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:12,480
boxing environment where you know, guys fight twice a year.

905
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:15,559
Sometimes they have not caught up to the current business

906
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,559
the way the sport is done. So to force him

907
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:22,280
to fight a guy that brings absolutely nothing to the

908
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:31,079
table athletically, competitively, marketing wise, entertainment wise, there's just literally

909
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:35,079
nothing about Jakazi, and that says, you know, I must

910
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:37,800
have a title fight or I will strip Geron Boots

911
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,039
Ennis of the belt. I mean I must, I must

912
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:44,599
get a rematch. I must get a rematch with had

913
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:47,320
the opportunity and improved over the course of a twelve

914
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,199
round fight that he can't even compete for three seconds

915
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,119
against this guy.

916
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:53,519
Speaker 1: So you want to say it, go ahead and say

917
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:57,480
it is what are we doing here that we have

918
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:00,519
to see this again? Or you might strip Jiran of

919
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,119
the title please.

920
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: So this puts everybody involved in a tough spot. Boots

921
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,719
Ennis goes and has the big homecoming fight against Avin Scan,

922
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,000
a late replacement for Cody Crowley. Mattroom does a bang

923
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:16,679
up job promoting the event and its draws in a

924
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:19,119
great crowd and its looks very good in the fight.

925
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,199
He gets the knockout against an opponent that's a far

926
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,480
superior opponent than Karen Chikazi to my estimation, and now

927
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,320
he's got all a heap behind him. Right, he's done

928
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,039
the hometown. Everybody's excited. Where when's Boots fighting? When's Boots fighting?

929
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:34,199
We're excited to note. You know, they've talked about he's

930
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:36,920
coming back in like around the November timeframe, sometime before

931
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,639
the end of the year, and they were going to

932
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:40,239
look around to try to find a good opponent. They

933
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,280
were talking about like maybe we can do you know,

934
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:45,440
a unification. Eddie Hearn has made video saying we offered

935
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,360
a unification against Mario barrios. Now they say it was

936
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,199
this quote unquote substantial offer. I've talked to people on

937
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,480
the barrio side who basically laugh and say his definition

938
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:58,000
of a quote unquote a substantial offer does not meet

939
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:02,119
anybody's definition of what actual substantial offers. But that's besides

940
00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:04,679
the point. It's a first offer. They would like to

941
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:08,079
put boots in a unification fight. Now, the IVF rules

942
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,760
will say that if you can come to them with

943
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,480
a unification that would take precedent over a mandatory. The

944
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:18,199
problem is, once they order the mandatory, then the clock's

945
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,639
kicking on the purse bid that they can't do that.

946
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,559
So here's the point, the purse bid for this fight

947
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:30,639
between or the negotiation period, which would happen before the

948
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:33,480
IBA would actually schedule the PERSPID. They're in that like,

949
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:37,280
they're within that window right now. That window expires in

950
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,000
a couple of weeks. If they can somehow put together

951
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:44,320
a unification fight between now and that cutoff date, which

952
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,519
I forget the date. I want to say, it's like

953
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:48,159
August twentieth or something like that. So maybe they could

954
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:50,199
do a step aside deal, but that would piss me

955
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,880
off also because why should you have to pay a

956
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,480
guy to step aside who doesn't even remotely deserve the

957
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,199
fight in the first place. The mandatory fights were made

958
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:01,039
for people who are aggrieved, guys who are desperate to

959
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:03,599
get a shot, who can't get a shot, who nobody

960
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:05,760
wants to fight, who've done what they're supposed to do

961
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:10,199
but are avoided for obvious reasons. Chakaziin just had the

962
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,880
opportunity in January of last year and did absolutely nothing

963
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,920
with it, lost every second of every round to the guy.

964
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,920
And even if he's come back in won fights, Sage

965
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,880
came back and beat a top guy, he beat a

966
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,800
bunch of nobody's and now he's gonna get the opportunity.

967
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,079
And it just drives me absolutely fucking crazy with the IBF.

968
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:34,159
They just are bad for boxing. They're bad for business,

969
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:36,480
they're bad for the promoters, they're bad for the networks.

970
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:39,440
If you're dezoned, would you spend five fucking cents on

971
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:42,880
fucking Karen Chakaziin and a Giron Ennisroyette. Eddie Hearn must

972
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,679
be eating his heart out right now. The guy did

973
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,440
a fucking great job doing the Evanescent event. They made

974
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:49,440
Edison to a thing, and now they got to take

975
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,119
a step back and have him fight this dude, give

976
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:52,000
me a fucking break.

977
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: Rightfield is cranked. It's IBF doing IBF things, and you

978
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,639
you went down a laundry list and none of it

979
00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:01,519
applies here. Makes no sense, makes no sense, all right?

980
00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:05,400
A couple more items. Devin Haney on social media says

981
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,440
he wants to get back in the ring. He was,

982
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,880
you know, obviously beaten in the ring by Ryan Garcia.

983
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:17,280
The decision is now overturned because of the positive drug test.

984
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:21,119
So what do we think about when we might see

985
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:22,760
Devin Haney again real quick?

986
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: Well, he went on in social media and you know,

987
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,800
and if you just back up to the fight, I mean,

988
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,519
after what happened with Garcia, the loss then becomes a

989
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:35,360
no contest. Ryan Garcia gets suspended because he used peds.

990
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,320
And at that point, Haney had been ordered to do

991
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,599
his mandatory defense against Sander Martin of the WBC Junior

992
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:44,719
Wealthway title, which he kept even though he lost, because

993
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,199
it become a no contest, and so therefore, well, I

994
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,559
didn't even have to do it. The no contest I

995
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:50,440
had to do with the fact that Ryan Garcia, even

996
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,280
if he had won the fight, and he was going

997
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,800
to keep the title because Garcia didn't make the weight,

998
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,119
but in the end, because he was gonna take some

999
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:01,159
time off and really was sure he wanted to do.

1000
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:03,480
Don't think he really was interested in the Sander Martin fight,

1001
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:05,840
which was not a big kind of fight. Bottom line

1002
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,599
was he vacated the title and was granted his request

1003
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:11,360
by the WBC to he made the champion in recess.

1004
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:13,119
But and so he was gonna take a break. But

1005
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:14,760
now he went on a social and he says, I'm

1006
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:16,679
you know, I'm ready to come back. It's about time

1007
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,400
to come back. You know, I gave you all three

1008
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,880
months and now he's ready to go. And so, okay, cool,

1009
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,559
I'm happy to see Devin Hanny get back in the ring.

1010
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:25,400
CEV he can shake off, you know, that situation from April.

1011
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:28,000
But the what was interesting about that is when he

1012
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:31,039
wrote that a few days ago on his Twitter account.

1013
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:33,360
I refuse to call it ASTs fuck that, it's Twitter

1014
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:34,400
to made always right.

1015
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,039
Speaker 1: Most people still consider it that.

1016
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: It was Turkey al Chic who wrote who responded to

1017
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,679
Haines's message said waiting for you in riad uh And

1018
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,719
then Haines, you know, tweeted back at Turkey saying, uh,

1019
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,920
you know whatever he said, and then at the finished

1020
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,920
it with it, you know, see you soon, brother. So

1021
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,599
I do think there's a very strong possibility. Remember, Hani

1022
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,000
is a promotional free agent. You know, say whatever you

1023
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,159
want about what happened in the Garcia fight. He's a

1024
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,840
known guy. Now he's you know, somewhat polarizing the some,

1025
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,639
but certainly people know him. He's still a talented fighter.

1026
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,119
I think there's absolutely no question in my mind that

1027
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:10,079
we could end up seeing him fight on a card

1028
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:13,000
in Saudi Arabia. And I'm not saying this is the reason,

1029
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:17,719
but it probably doesn't hurt whatever the relationship might come

1030
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,039
to exist between Devin Haney and Turkey al Sheik. They're

1031
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:24,719
both devout Muslims. They share that. I'm sure Devon would

1032
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,280
have you know, it would be very interesting then for

1033
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,360
himself personally to fight in a Muslim country like Saudi Arabia.

1034
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:33,039
So there's a lot of things going on there. And obviously,

1035
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:35,559
if he's gonna stay in the junior wealthyweight division, will

1036
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:38,960
still be notable opponents. And as we've discussed numerous times,

1037
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:41,880
you know, Turkey al Sheiik's got a budget to use

1038
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,119
and can make fights that he and and the fans

1039
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:46,360
and the fighters want.

1040
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: Certainly at one forty their interesting name. So that leads

1041
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,880
right into what the WBC has decided to do with

1042
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:57,440
that belt that Devin Haney vacated. So the person bid

1043
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:00,360
is canceled. Here for the fight that they were looking

1044
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,239
for Devi and Haney to fight, Sander Martin, tell me

1045
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,000
about the fight that's now going to happen.

1046
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: Well, okay, So after Haney gave up the title and

1047
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:09,880
was reclassified as the WBC's one hundred and forty pounds

1048
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,079
champion in recess, the interim title holder Albert Pueo was

1049
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:16,920
elevated from the interim to the full title, and with

1050
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:21,320
that happening, he inherited Sander Martin as the mandatory challenger

1051
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:25,800
and that fight was ordered. They had up until I

1052
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,760
believe it was July twenty third to make a deal.

1053
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:30,239
The thing was posed, the purse bid was postponed a

1054
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,519
couple of times. They were getting close and anyway, this

1055
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:36,760
past Friday I got a text message from Ursio Suliman

1056
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,559
saying that they had made a deal and the purspid

1057
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:42,559
was canceled. No date yet, no site specific yet, but

1058
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:44,960
The bottom line was there is now a deal between

1059
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,239
Pueo and Sander Martin for this mandatory fight. It will

1060
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,239
be Santa Martin is co promoted by Top Ranks as

1061
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,000
well as another promoter in Europe, and Pueo was with

1062
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:57,760
PBC and promoted by TGB Promotions Tom Brown. But TGB

1063
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,760
and Top Rank made this deal. It was a fight

1064
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,599
well take place before the end of this year. It

1065
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:04,119
will be on a PBC card. Whether it's on a

1066
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:07,039
Prime video card, whether it's on a pay per view undercard,

1067
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:09,239
still not clear, but it's they've got a deal done

1068
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,920
and now they're just figuring out which one of their

1069
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,880
shows they're going to put it on. So that's the

1070
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,039
next step. And I mentioned Maurcio Suliman by the way,

1071
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,119
and I just want to take a quick minute to

1072
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:20,480
send the WBC president condolences on the passing of his

1073
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:24,960
mother over the weekend. I know how close Maurcio certainly

1074
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,039
was to his father, Jose, who was a former president

1075
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,719
for many, many many years of the WBC position that

1076
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,320
Mauricio took over when his father passed, and now his

1077
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,599
mother has passed. In there a very close knit family,

1078
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,159
and I know people have a lot of things they

1079
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,760
like to say about Maricio and the WBC. But I

1080
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,239
know Mauricio personally for many years, and I like Maurcio.

1081
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:45,360
We don't agree on everything and people know that, but

1082
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,480
he is a good man in my opinion, and I

1083
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:50,199
just send my condolence system in his entire family on

1084
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:50,880
the death of their.

1085
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: Mother, obviously on that. All right, nostalgia time now, and

1086
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,239
my goodness, we go all the way back to nineteen

1087
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,400
ninety third, twenty four years ago today on August eighteenth,

1088
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:07,119
nineteen ninety I remember this fight with the Dark Destroyer,

1089
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:10,800
Nigel Benn fighting in the United States on Network TV

1090
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,199
against Iran Barkley. Again, I keep saying to this all summer.

1091
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:16,440
I've said this to you over and over again. I

1092
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,679
don't want to accept that that was nearly thirty five.

1093
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:21,639
Speaker 2: Years accept it, Bro, Accepted, Bro, I.

1094
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: Guess we have to. But the nostalgia is it did

1095
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:31,280
not take long for Nigel Ben to become what he captured.

1096
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,760
The He retained the WBO middleweight title and become a

1097
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,599
more known commodity in the United States with a first

1098
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:39,880
round knockout on Network TV. Dan right Field.

1099
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: All right, so this was a time in nineteen ninety

1100
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,719
where yes it was the WBO belt, but in the

1101
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,800
United States anyway, the WBO belt was like basically meaningless

1102
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,639
at that point. I'm not knocking the WBO, I'm not

1103
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,360
knocking the fighters that platform, but in the general consensus

1104
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,039
of boxing media, fans and those in the sport, the

1105
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:58,480
WBO didn't mean shit back then. But nonetheless, in retrospective we.

1106
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: Might have mentioned it was thirty four years ago, so

1107
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,800
that's a long time for it to develop and it

1108
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:03,679
has okay, go ahead.

1109
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: So Ben had come from the UK. He was working

1110
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,280
with Top Rank at the time, and he had a

1111
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,119
series of fights in the United States where he was

1112
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:15,039
fighting in Atlantic City, Las Vegas, and he had fought you know,

1113
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:18,000
other defenses here on those top ranked shows. So now

1114
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,360
he's taking on Iran Barkley, who was a you know,

1115
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,280
a brawler, a known fighter, a guy with a made

1116
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,119
excellent action fights. They matched him up at Balley's in

1117
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:31,000
Las Vegas. This was ABC Wide World of Sports on

1118
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:36,320
a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, Dan Dierdorf and Alex Waller doing.

1119
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,039
Speaker 1: About how about that name? What a trivia easter egg

1120
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:43,840
that Dan Dierdorf the former football lineman who was on

1121
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,440
Monday Night Football. He became kind of the next boxing

1122
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,119
announcer after Al Michaels was no longer doing boxing on

1123
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:55,239
ABC and Jim Lampley, you guy, Jim Lampley had moved

1124
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,119
on to HBO. Deardorf kind of slid in to call

1125
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:01,039
fights and Dan Dierdorf's all on the call here.

1126
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: And just to put it in the perspective of where

1127
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,280
we were in Nigel Ben's career, as big of a

1128
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,159
superstar as he became, this was right, this was the

1129
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:12,199
I mean, this was a spectacular shootout. We're going to

1130
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:13,880
get to the fight in a quick second, but this

1131
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:17,119
was the fight right before he suffered the loss in

1132
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:20,639
a huge first fight he had against Chris Ubank back

1133
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:23,079
home in the UK later in nineteen ninety, just a

1134
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:24,840
few months later, and then of course they went on

1135
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,000
to have even a bigger rematch that was one of

1136
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,199
the biggest fights that you know, British fans have ever seen.

1137
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,079
But in terms of this fight that took place between

1138
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:34,400
him and Iran Parkley, I mean you can find that

1139
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:35,880
on YouTube and by the way, it won't take very long.

1140
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,000
It literally lasts won round. I mean, it's I think

1141
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:40,920
it ended at like two minutes and like fifty eight

1142
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,519
seconds or something like that, I mean to fifty seven.

1143
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,400
I mean, it was just a great shootout kind of

1144
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,800
fight you want to talk about, like think about the

1145
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,519
first round of Hagler Herns where they just charge it

1146
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:52,639
out at the other and just start blasting away. That

1147
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,559
was basically what this was. Like, I mean, it was

1148
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,119
it was just bell rings, boom, and they just they

1149
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:01,800
hit the gas ped at like sixty miles an hour

1150
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,960
and you know, they just started swinging for the fences.

1151
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,199
Speaker 1: Two guys that made up their mind right away. There

1152
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,079
is no feeling out here, there is no get you know,

1153
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:12,880
angles and used a jab and get loosened up. It's

1154
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,519
let's go, I agree, this is let's.

1155
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: Throw monster over and rights from the fucking opening bell.

1156
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,280
And in the first like fifteen seconds, Nigel ben landed

1157
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,400
a couple of heavy punches, right hands mainly, and he

1158
00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:26,559
dropped Iron Barkley again literally is like fourteen fifteen thirteen

1159
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:28,639
seconds into the fight. He did hit him while he

1160
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:31,320
was down and took a warning from the referee. Then

1161
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,440
later and then after that sequence occurred, you thought, okay,

1162
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,760
Barkley looks like he's about done. You know. Within the

1163
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,519
first thirty seconds of the fight, Barkley comes storming back,

1164
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,760
has some huge shots that land has Nigel Ben backing

1165
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,719
up and in trouble, and you just got like this

1166
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,400
chaotic first round going on. Then later in the round

1167
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,559
he got Barkley, he lands, he like launches like an

1168
00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:55,920
onslaught of shots. You got Barkley going down again once again.

1169
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:57,960
Nigel Ben hit him while he was down, and the

1170
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,880
referee didn't take a point or even the point warned him.

1171
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,960
I guess could have on the second one could have

1172
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,679
disqualified him, but didn't do that. And then when the

1173
00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:08,599
fight resumed they're teeing off on each other again and

1174
00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:12,119
Nigel Ben gets in a couple more shots and Barkley

1175
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:14,199
gets dropped for the third time. This was the only

1176
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,000
disappointing part about the fight, because as a great of

1177
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,519
a first round shootout as it was, it didn't come

1178
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:20,639
to like the natural conclusion. Because this was back in

1179
00:54:20,679 --> 00:54:23,320
the day when the three knockdown rule was still in effect,

1180
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,400
and so because Barkley had been down three times, the

1181
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,599
referee had no choice but to stop the fight. So

1182
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:31,559
Barkley on the third knockdown. He did get dropped, but

1183
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:33,440
it wasn't so hurt that like he couldn't go on

1184
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,239
it and see he was up in like, you know,

1185
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,320
a split second and probably could have carried on and

1186
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,639
we'll see a little more chaos. But that was right

1187
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:40,800
at the end of the first round. On the third

1188
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,880
knockdown fights over But what a you know again, there's

1189
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,039
there's a handful of those type of first round like

1190
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:48,639
shootout kind of fights, and this is one of them

1191
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:50,320
where you're just like, oh my god, you know, for

1192
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,360
three minutes, I'd rather watch three minutes of that chaos

1193
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:55,920
and back and forth, you know, then some boring piece

1194
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,719
of shit twelve rounder that you just want to then

1195
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,960
Duran and his Charon Chikazian for example, where I wanted

1196
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,239
to fall asleep and you know, maybe go to the restaurant.

1197
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,639
Speaker 1: Going back to that, Yeah, great youtubed that up kids.

1198
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:11,440
From nineteen ninety to Summer fight of nineteen ninety, All right,

1199
00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:12,519
move forward teen.

1200
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 2: Just let me to say about that. Jigel Ben was

1201
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,360
in a bunch of those types of fights now, I

1202
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,079
mean he was in in in whether they were long

1203
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:23,320
fights or short fights. I mean a lot of tremendously

1204
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,320
exciting fights. That's why he's such a beloved figure in

1205
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:26,440
the UK boxing.

1206
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 1: No doubt, still still loved to this day. So move

1207
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,320
forward ten years, ten years ago. On Monday the nineteenth

1208
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,639
August the nineteenth of two thousand and speaking of the UK,

1209
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:43,800
Nasim Hmed the Prince scored a tremendous knockout in a

1210
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,800
main event fight in Connecticut at Foxwoods in Connecticut on HBO.

1211
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,679
And you were there ringside back some twenty four years ago.

1212
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,280
What do you remember about Prince? About Prince Dasim Hmed

1213
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:55,960
and this ko.

1214
00:55:57,679 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: This was a fun fight. This was a fight where

1215
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,719
a lot of people were critical of Hamed's and hbos

1216
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,519
selection of Augie Sanchez as the opponent. Augi Sanchez was

1217
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:09,719
best known as a guy with a tremendous amateur career.

1218
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,039
He had beaten Floyd Mayweather and the amateurs back in

1219
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:14,840
the day. Was a prospect coming up, but he proved

1220
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,039
he just had no ability to really take the shot

1221
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:19,519
and had been stopped you know, here and there and

1222
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,639
ended up having his career peter out. But he did

1223
00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:25,159
get this opportunity, the challenge Hahmed, who was defending the

1224
00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:28,159
the at this time, the WBO was more recognized. He

1225
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,639
was defending that title for the fifteenth time in this

1226
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,679
fight coming to the United States. Remember he's in the

1227
00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:36,239
midst of this big HBO contract that he was involved in,

1228
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:39,400
where he had been you know, fighting for the last

1229
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,760
couple of years. People were building up. This was this

1230
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,199
was his fight that took place right before he fought

1231
00:56:46,199 --> 00:56:50,280
Prince Nasim, I'm sorry, before Prince Asad fought Marco Antonio Barrera.

1232
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,599
So this was like the end of like the let's

1233
00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:56,760
call it the prime Hahmed because he got smoked by

1234
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,239
Barrera in you know, a decision and then he just

1235
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,559
had a long often fought one more time and retired.

1236
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,159
So this fight against Augiy Sanchez, though, this was still

1237
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:09,719
the pompous, arrogant, you know, snack talking, you know, just

1238
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,760
way wag his finger at you, Prince Nassim doing his thing.

1239
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:18,840
I remember going to the press conference at at Foxwoods,

1240
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,239
and I think Augi Sanchez, his wife was not yet

1241
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,079
twenty one. She was twenty. He was. You know, they

1242
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:28,039
were young. They were in their early twenties. You know,

1243
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:30,079
Augie was whatever, twenty five. I don't know what he

1244
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:33,039
was at the time. The wife was younger, and they

1245
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,119
they were late coming to the press corrs because they

1246
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:37,960
wouldn't let her go through the casino I'm remembering correctly,

1247
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,440
and it took her to take the longer They had

1248
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,440
to take a longer route to get to the press cart.

1249
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:44,559
Speaker 1: It was circular navigator round.

1250
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:47,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Ahmed had such a at this point, he

1251
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:52,639
had such a like a give and take back and forth,

1252
00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:55,480
but negative relationship a lot of the British press who

1253
00:57:55,519 --> 00:57:57,599
had been on him because he wasn't fighting the top guys,

1254
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,639
and I remember him launching in they he just he

1255
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:02,559
really got into it with some of the British press

1256
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:04,639
guys that I've known for many years, by my old

1257
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:06,519
boy Colin Hart and some of the others that were

1258
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:08,920
there covering the fight. But for whatever reason, I mean,

1259
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,760
and I was at this time, I'm working at USA

1260
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,559
Today and I had interviewed Hamid a couple of times.

1261
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,679
I had covered the fight in Atlantic City was my

1262
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:18,239
first USA Today fight when I was on like a

1263
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,960
short period of loan period there. For whatever reason, I

1264
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,880
think Nas kind of liked me and so while he

1265
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,800
was bitching and moaning and having them back and forth

1266
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,639
with the with the British press, like he would go

1267
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:31,239
out of his way to like, you know, call on

1268
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,880
me or smile at me or say what do you

1269
00:58:33,679 --> 00:58:35,519
what do you think about that Dan or whatever? It

1270
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:38,559
was like right, like whatever. So I always like I

1271
00:58:38,679 --> 00:58:40,599
never took all the crazy rhetoric from him. He had

1272
00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:42,679
too Seriously, I kind of always looked at it kind

1273
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:44,039
of like he had a kind of a glimmer in

1274
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:47,079
his eye. But that man could sell a fight. And

1275
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:49,920
August Sanchez, who was from Las Vegas they called him

1276
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,320
Kid Vegas, came into the ring. They had hired for

1277
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,440
like a lot of money, I guess, and you know

1278
00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:57,360
this was gonna be like his one big person. I'm like,

1279
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,800
why are you blowing all your money on this? They

1280
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,280
brought him this whole review of like Las Vegas dancing

1281
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,920
girls to like Elvis Presley music, complete waste. And I

1282
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,159
remember his manager August Sanchez was Cameron Duncan, who you

1283
00:59:09,199 --> 00:59:11,760
know died not that long ago. And I remember Cameron

1284
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,199
having a conversation from at one point where he was

1285
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:16,280
like beating his head against So I cannot believe they're

1286
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:21,480
wasting their money, our money on this nonsense of this

1287
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,840
this Elvis Presley get up to come into the ring

1288
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:27,599
and anyway. But they went into the ring and they

1289
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,360
had to fight, and it was a far better fight

1290
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,719
than anybody expected. Most people figured that Hamed is gonna

1291
00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:34,559
blitz him in a couple of rounds and it's going

1292
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:37,000
to be over and out. But to August Stanchez's credit,

1293
00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:40,280
he actually scored a knockedout against Hamed in the second round.

1294
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,960
But the referee fucking blew the knockdown call. Just Mike Ortega,

1295
00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:46,320
who was a well known referee, has done a thousand fights,

1296
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,440
who's usually a very good referee, just completely boxed that calls.

1297
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:53,199
It missed it completely. Hamed came back and dropped him

1298
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:55,039
in the fourth round. This was a good shootout also,

1299
00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:56,480
I mean, it wasn't quite the level of what we

1300
00:59:56,599 --> 00:59:59,320
just talked about with Nigel Ben and Iran Barkley, but

1301
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,320
a very funny fight. And finally when he scored the

1302
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,880
knockout in the fourth round, he put aug Sanchez out

1303
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,639
and I mean, Roggy I had to go to the

1304
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:11,719
hospital cat Scans. I mean again, I remember talking to

1305
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,760
Cameron that night when they were worried about him in

1306
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,360
the hospital, and he finally was like, yeah, he's gonna

1307
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,719
be okay, but it was a scary, fucking knockout come

1308
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,880
in absolutely obliterated him in the fourth round and just

1309
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:23,440
left him like.

1310
01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: That's the thing about the Prince that we keep conveying

1311
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,599
when we do this nostalgia. And I'm disappointed you didn't

1312
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:30,280
tell me what the ring walk was for the Prince.

1313
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,280
He came in on a magic carpet one night on

1314
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,400
HBO two. You know, I don't actually suspended from the arena,

1315
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,480
but it must not have been remarkable to you to

1316
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:39,519
remember it twenty four years ago.

1317
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 2: I don't remember his walkout as much as I remember

1318
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,920
the aug Sanchez, but this Aggie was down for several minutes.

1319
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: I was going to say the one thing you could say,

1320
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,840
for all the arguing and all the flamboyant or whatever,

1321
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:57,599
the dude would would launch bombs from all angles and

1322
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,239
lay people out. And it happened again here in this fight,

1323
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:05,679
for all the all the disputes up until the Barra fight, it.

1324
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,679
Speaker 2: Took him out on a stretcher. And I mean, say

1325
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:09,679
whatever you want about Ahmed, he is also a guy

1326
01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:12,360
that was very polarizing. But he should have had all

1327
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,599
four titles at the He would have been and should

1328
01:01:14,639 --> 01:01:18,159
have been the first fighter to have all four belts

1329
01:01:18,159 --> 01:01:20,199
at the same time, you know, as the WBO was

1330
01:01:20,239 --> 01:01:22,679
becoming more known. But because of politics, you know, he

1331
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:25,360
had fought like Wilfredo Vasquez who ended up having to

1332
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,360
vacate the WBA because they wouldn't approved the fight with Ahmed.

1333
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,239
He got stripped to the WBC title after he unified

1334
01:01:31,239 --> 01:01:33,599
and beating Caesar Soda. He should have had all the belts,

1335
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:36,119
but the Sanchez fight took him out on a stretcher.

1336
01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:37,920
I'm gonna say this about Princess Hem I've always been

1337
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,599
a huge fan of I mean I watched them of

1338
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:41,840
his fights on ABC. Also some of his early fights

1339
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,199
that I first saw run on a Wide World of Sports,

1340
01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:46,239
and then he had a handful of fights on Showtime

1341
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,559
as well. In the entire history of the featherweight division,

1342
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:52,400
he might very well be the greatest punch of Oliver,

1343
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,760
certainly in the top few. I mean, there's no question

1344
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:57,960
that he is one of not only I shouldn't even

1345
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,000
say in the fatherweight division, maybe in the history of boxing,

1346
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:06,400
but certainly among featherweights. I mean, just an unbelievable puncher, devastating, devastating, puncher.

1347
01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:09,599
I mean, I think the other historical figure that people

1348
01:02:09,639 --> 01:02:13,039
think about in terms of featherweights for their massive punching ability,

1349
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,239
Sandy Sadler right the time Hall of.

1350
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:18,559
Speaker 1: Famer Salador Sanchez. Maybe not the one punch power, but

1351
01:02:18,639 --> 01:02:19,559
yet power.

1352
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:21,559
Speaker 2: But not not at the level of what Sadler and

1353
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,000
Ahmed did in my mind. I mean and looking up

1354
01:02:24,039 --> 01:02:26,400
Sadler's record as I just am doing here, one hundred

1355
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:31,519
and forty five wins, one hundred four knockouts, whoo fighting

1356
01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:33,760
at a time period when boxing was you know, top

1357
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,440
of the food chain in the nineteen you know, nineteen forties,

1358
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:37,000
in the fifties.

1359
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: But I mean for the for the younger fans we

1360
01:02:39,519 --> 01:02:41,679
say this all the time, for the under thirty year olds,

1361
01:02:41,719 --> 01:02:44,760
the gen z Ers and whatever, go back and watch

1362
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,159
Jahmed's power, what the man is talking about, what Big

1363
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:52,599
Dan is talking about. Watch him laying people out with

1364
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:55,960
big bomb, single punches. So that's it's not an overset.

1365
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: So what's what made Ahmed fun Also was he was

1366
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,960
vulnerable because he threw punches from such bizarre angles.

1367
01:03:02,719 --> 01:03:05,519
Speaker 1: Hands it inside, yeah.

1368
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,039
Speaker 2: And just never kept the feet under him like he

1369
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:09,320
was so off balanced because he didn't give himself the

1370
01:03:09,639 --> 01:03:11,480
he didn't plan his feet the right way, so we

1371
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,679
you know, if your feet are not if you're not

1372
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,679
leveraging your feet under you, you know you're off balance.

1373
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,199
You know, even if it's not a heavy punch, you

1374
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:21,119
might get knocked down. So he was down against Kevin Kelly,

1375
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,079
he was down against aug Sanchez, although the referee didn't

1376
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:27,480
call it. You know, he was in some other shootout

1377
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,840
type fights where he was showing some vulnerability. But the

1378
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,320
Augustantez fight for just in terms of just your fun,

1379
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:35,920
just a great shootout for four rounds. No, it wasn't

1380
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,840
on the Kevin It's not the Kevin Kelly level, which

1381
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,480
is the greatest time that fight of all of them.

1382
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:41,159
But this was a fun fight. And I, by the way,

1383
01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:44,360
I was thrilled because I was, you know, five feet

1384
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,679
from the ring, so it was a great ring side.

1385
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,239
Speaker 1: And again we closed the pod with what you were

1386
01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:51,519
talking about at the beginning of the pod, with the

1387
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:54,199
derevian Chenko punishment he was taking, and we even talked

1388
01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:57,280
about it with the Luis Alberto Lopez one punch KO

1389
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,760
from last week leading to a brain bleed. This is

1390
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,920
a dangerous sport. And on this nostalgia you're talking about.

1391
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,639
They carried Augie Sanchez from the ring. It is a

1392
01:04:06,679 --> 01:04:10,159
sober reminder of how dangerous this sport can be, and

1393
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:14,400
fighter safety should still be at the forefront, including your

1394
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,559
own corner. Now I'm gonna get repped up like Rayfaield

1395
01:04:17,559 --> 01:04:20,960
about the IBF. Your own corner has an obligation to

1396
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:23,559
look out for the fighter if the fighter still wants

1397
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:27,760
to fight on but is obviously getting punished, beaten up, whatever,

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the corner's got to be also characterized there, you know,

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chastise a little bit for its scrutinized in the other

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eyes for not taking care of their fighters. So anyway,

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we kind of come full circle on the podcast here

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about all us. Are anything else that we've left out

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on the recap off the weekend? Or are we pretty

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well good?

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Speaker 2: I'm just looking forward to the big Floyd Mayweather exhibition

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against John Gotti the third next week.

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Speaker 1: Not really, I just I wonder one thing I have.

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Can I just say I have no interest in watching this.

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The only thing I would be interested in his grandfather,

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John Gotti's you know, mafioso head grandfather is one of

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the wildest criminal caricatures in modern history. If he were alive,

1412
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what would he be thinking of this? That's the only

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thing I'm thinking about this fight. If if Gotti, the mafioso,

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what would he be thinking with John Gotti the third

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fighting Floyd Mayweather. I don't know, I don't I have

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no idea and couldn't care less I know. But nonetheless,

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we go on here with whatever this is, and.

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Speaker 2: This is truly the dulgeums of the summer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got We've got a lighter week this weekend

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before we hit Labor Day weekend in the United States.

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It has some more interesting action and the Monster will

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actually be fighting off of Labor Day weekend on the

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Tuesday after and then Canelo a couple of weeks later.

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But hey, we'll still have a big fight weekend preview.

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But who knows, who knows what all we come up

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with on that. By the way, you've got some conversations

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still to come. They'll hear from Edgar Berlanga on this

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podcast feed, who you talked to recently as well as

1429
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Canelo Alvarez. We just recently talked to Danny Garcias with Garcia,

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you can hear that as well on the podcast feed.

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Make sure you're following subscribing and Rayfield's getting grumpy. Rate

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01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:23,960
us in review us as well. Rate us in review

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01:06:24,039 --> 01:06:27,880
us on the podcast feed here. Five star reviews do

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help with the algorithms, et cetera. Other than that, you've

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been away from the sun now for like an hour

1436
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and the fire alarm did not go off during the

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pod with the authorities have not been notified. Good luck

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with the first day of school tomorrow and being mister

1439
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mom and appreciating missus Rayfield even more for being the MVP.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely one hundred percent, and for my two.

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01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:47,559
Speaker 1: Good luck.

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Speaker 2: By the way, if I make it to the next podcast,

1443
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then we keep it on Thursday. Yeah, you'll know I

1444
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will not survive because this is his home on.

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Speaker 1: We exactly She's back. And by the way, my two

1446
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have to take the driving test at sixteen years of

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age to be licensed. Look out in Northern Tampa stand

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by for that. For now, we are good. It is

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the Fight Freaks Unite Recap podcast. We come your way

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previewing going into the weekend with the Big Fight Weekend preview.

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We recap with the Fight Preach Unit Recap coming off

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the weekend twice every weekend for Dan Raphael, I'm TJ. Reeves.

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Thanks for being with us.