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Speaker 1: In the first twenty minutes of this episode, my audio

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was coming through my earbuds, so I apologize for the

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audio quality in the first twenty I'll try to not

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let that happen again. I want to welcome everyone back

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to the Pete Canyona Show, returning Ryan turnip Seed.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Ryn, I'm doing very well. I'm glad

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to be back.

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Speaker 1: Very cool. You want to get this out of the way,

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because whenever we do this, I'll put this on YouTube.

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So the first comment will be what does he know?

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Because he looks like he's to fifteen? And then the

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other one will be get a haircut, you hippie.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll just the last one first, the get

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a haircut hippie. Ninety percent of the reason that I

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have not gotten a haircut so far as because it

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generates so much interaction on all my videos. You know,

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half the comments or some people saying get a haircut

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really helps with the out algorithm. It's a very wonderful

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form of of what would it be social engineering? No

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partially joking, but and then with the with the youth comment, well,

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I hopefully my own work shows for itself. Yeah, I'll

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have you know, it's nine year old nationalism, not fifteen

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year old nationalism. That's the that's the age that we

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go by on the most hardcore of the zoomer circles.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, one of the reasons I asked you

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to come on, Well, the main reason I asked you

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to come on is you word about the civil rights regime.

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And I love that. I love that you put that

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in there, and you did it for the Old Glory Club,

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which I've I've shared the video of myself and Paul

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talking about Justin McCarthy on here, the live stream that

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we did for OGC. But why didn't you I've tried

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to explain exactly, you know, why I'm a part of

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it and what it is. What do you think is

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the benefit of the old words?

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Speaker 2: But there are multiple key benefits. I don't feel like

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I have the authority to say that one is especially

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core because we're doing a lot of stuff that needs

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to happen which wasn't previously being done, so we have

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it's Number one's an organization of friends that should be

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in and of itself enough to justify being a part

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of it. If your friends, like your closest friends, are

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a part of something, and that's something is good, which

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this is, then you should be a part of it

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to you know, the basic community cohesion argument. But a

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lot of what we're doing is we are organizing Americans

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in a very clean, a very respectable manner, trying to

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get our ideas across to key people and the public

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as well, you know, both at the same time, not

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at the expense of the others, which something that the

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American right has long lacked. You will either find stooges

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in the absolute mainstream that will sacrifice every little bit

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of actual right wing philosophy, theory, practice, application for the

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pursuit of respectability, or you will find people that want

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the absolute standard of unattainable purity and will, in the

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pursuit of that, sacrifice any form of a respectability of

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appeal or any exoteric value, you know, actually trying to

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share the idea. This group is so far doing a

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wonderful job at doing both without sacrificing either. You know,

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we aren't a bunch of a nut jobs, and we

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aren't a bunch of spineless cowards trying to go for

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a public spotlight or too public of a spotlight. I

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should say, we're also working towards much higher end goals.

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So it's not just we're not just making a media cluster.

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The end vision here is the actually supporting one another

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in a very old fashioned American way, something that was

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much more common before the New Deal regime was enacted,

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where people would just come together, oftentimes voluntarily, to support

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one another in cases of hardship, poverty, basically acting as

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a collective form of insurance, you know, the old Glory clubs.

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Trying to resurrect that old tradition in spite of all

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the different disincentives and regulatory boundaries and social barriers that

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would prevent us from doing so. We're actually trying to

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do that, which is invaluable. If we can't get this

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core building block set up in the old Glory club,

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I don't think that the American right, or any meaningful

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right could succeed, it could succeed at all. Really, Like,

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this is the basic community building block that we have

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at the foundation here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wish I could think meetings more everything.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is that's a good point. We're all

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very productive, you know, we meet quite often. We have

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a constant study supply of media that we are putting

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out even though that's not the main thing we're shooting towards,

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we are still doing it quite well, I might add. So, yeah,

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people's minds are geared towards dichotomies one or the other,

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you know, mutually exclusive choices, and that's not quite The

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American way is that we can do all of it

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at once and be good at it.

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Speaker 1: Well. The reason I had you on is because you

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wrote a substack for the Old Glory Club substack and article,

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and it is a subject that I like to bring up.

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those subjects that get to both sides bristling, because, let's

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face it, people a lot of people who call themselves

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right wing call themselves right wing. When you bring up

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things like the Civil Rights Act, or as you termed

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it in the sub stack, the Civil Rights regime, people

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have to fight back. They you know, oh, you want

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slavery again and everything. The greatest meme I've seen in

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a while is a black girl screaming at the Chad

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white guy. You're just upset because I can't be your

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slave anymore. And the Chad white guy goes, I don't

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want you anywhere near my property.

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Speaker 2: So that's wonderful because that was the I'm sure we'll

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talk about this sentiment because that's going to it's kind

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of going to play into a lot of what existed

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Speaker 1: Right, right, So you you titled it enshrining the Civil

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rights regime, and you took it in a lot of

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people like to talk about nineteen sixty four, nineteen sixty

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five Johnson, but you you jumped in with the little

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known nineteen fifty seven Civil Rights Act. So I'm going

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to put it up on the screen. And why didn't you?

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Why don't you tell everybody a little bit about this?

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned, yeah, I started with the the unknown one,

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the nineteen fifty seven to one that happened under Eisenhower. Well,

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it has one popular subject within it that usually gets

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brought up in history classes or fact books or something.

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its own subject. But this is sort of like the

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first post reconstruction Civil Right Act that is a one

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moment sorry, yeah, our first post reconstruction Civil Right Act.

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That's notable. You know, you have different categories civil rights,

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voting rights enforcement, which is more of a reconstruction eray thing.

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or regime or the acts, most people lump together civil

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rights and voting rights, and the difference to the modern

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person in the present day is probably very minute because

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we just lump them together for good or bad. But

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the Civil Rights Act had a lot to do with

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more so the more social side of things, and the

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Voting Right Act. The Voting Rights Act had much more

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the infrastructure, getting people to vote, making sure that people

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weren't prohibited from voting. As the narrative that you oftentimes

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more on the electoral side of things. As in the

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name might suggest, it sounds semantic, but you know, if

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you read the acts themselves, it makes much more sense

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why they are different categories. Nineteen fifty seven is very

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interesting because this was sort of it was a compromise act,

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so both the right, the right and the left went

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along with it. It's also the obviously the first one

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that really gets the ball rolling. So it's a compromise act.

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side was really happy. It went too far for the

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more conservative sides in Congress, and it didn't go far

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enough for the radicals. And also the sort of movement

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that was going along in the background. We can talk

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about those in a minute, if those are of interest.

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But I recently did a show with mister Stephen Carson

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a few weeks ago where we talked about sort of

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the origin and the moral character of that movement, which

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is absolutely reprehensible.

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Speaker 1: But with the Act, Stephen Carson the only president that

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Speaker 2: I mean, if we could all just be ruled by

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the benign and benevolent executive Stephen Carson, I think our

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society would be going a lot better.

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Speaker 1: But Jeff Dice at too oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I forget. I forget sometimes that that is

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his proper role there. But with the act itself, this one, yeah,

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it's the start. People aren't really happy because it doesn't

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go far enough, and the people that don't want any

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of this at all goes way too far because it's

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doing something, so it just gets brushed under the rug.

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No one cares about it, no one likes it. As

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you said in the beginning, a lot of people focus

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on nineteen sixty four of the Civil Rights Act and

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nineteen sixty five with the Voting Rights Act. This, however,

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is very important because you don't get any of that

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stuff that comes throughout the next decade without this one

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small act. And that's really where that's sort of like

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Speaker 1: Here. By the way, that picture there, what is that picture?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is a This is from a counter

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protest being dispersed by federal forces, I believe, if I

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remember correctly, it was a federal forces dispersing a counter protest.

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These were white Southerners that were counter protesting a sort

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of a what would we call it a civil rights demonstration?

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term for it. This is a you know, there's the

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trite saying, you know, a picture is worth a thousand

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words or something like that. You can get a lot

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out of reading the acts themselves. You can get a

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or even talking to people that were on the ground

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at the time. But the actual pictures that we have,

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driving the people pushing the civil rights regime more than

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Speaker 1: So I really hope these are National Guard because if

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they aren't National Guard, there's some problems here.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the whole issue here, all of the

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opposition that came from any meaningful resistance is going to

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be talking about the federal government overstepping its boundaries and

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intervening into what shouldn't be the federal government. Obviously, the

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motivations for these people could be just because they don't

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like the Blacks. These could be because they don't like

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the federal government, whatnot. You could speculate all the day

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long and go into individual characters for the act itself. Though,

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this is the backdrop because these guard units, if I

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remember correctly, they are guard because there were a few

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times that actual federally controlled forces were sent into forcefully

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integrate places. But this takes place in either a year

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or two before the nineteen fifty seven Act begins. The

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only reason I have this up is because it's a

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very famous photo if you want to display things that

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you don't get shown in your school when they go

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over these sorts of things in history. So why were

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they counter protesting? Because the narrative that we often get fed.

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just say it because I it just gets the basic

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thing down, what you get taught in school, what you

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hear everywhere in the media and whatnot, is the Civil

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Rights Acts ended segregation and voter suppression once and for all,

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bringing about integration so that we could all move forward together.

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You know, we don't have any of that yucky segregation

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Jim Crow laws. We don't have you know, dilapidated, terrible

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school houses for blacks and you know, normal conditions for whites.

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We don't have signs saying one line over here and

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the other line over here. All of that's gone and

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we just get to have happy, warm, fuzzy feelings forever

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because segregation is gone. So, you know, if that's the narrative,

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this picture makes absolutely no sense. Everyone involved that's being

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put away. The counter protesters must just be utter vile

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demons basically, because you know, they're protesting the Civil Rights Act.

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What could be possibly wrong with them, you know, going

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against such a great market progress. While the right in

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recent years has done a good job building a counter

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narrative to all of us, and I basically summarized that

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you could go more into detail.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: The the opposite, the counter narrative would be something like

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the elites betrayed the Americans under internal and international pressure

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and subversion. They stripped away American liberties and heritage, and

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they paved a way for the current disintegration of the

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nation that we are seeing. Because, yeah, this gets into

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a lot of it. The current immigration crisis that you're

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seeing in the country is only possible due to the

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Civil Rights Act because before this push and movement and

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the legal foundation that was laid here, you had a

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quota system that was based off of national origin, which

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meant that your immigration numbers were infinitely less than we

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see now. You had much more rigorous academic standards because

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there was less interference. We can put it politely and

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call it the state, or we could put it and

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put it in real terms and call it, you know, subversives.

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Academic standards were higher, which completely gave way after these

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sets of legislation, starting with this fifty seven Act. You know,

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the state of the schools now can largely put the

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blame at this push here for civil rights. You have

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the sort of completely just royd uh, you know, rural

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white communities in the South that have been just completely

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left behind. You have the rotting urban centers. All of

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this can really be traced back to this movement. It's

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remarkable how much damage was done just with one simple

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organized push. So the right's been doing good at this

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counter narrative. Uh but as usual, you don't really get

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the uh you don't really get the sort of emotional

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impact because this is all a very real, cold analysis

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of what happened, and it's very harrowing. Uh, but you

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don't really get the fact that, uh, you know, your

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own government, you know, pushed you away with bayonets for

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protesting against this, uh, this development right here in this

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counter narrative.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this wasn't done in the sort of idealized liberal

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world where you have two people on a debate stage

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arguing over the merits of a of a law, piece

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of legislation. This was a very forceful movement and a

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lot of people will confuse this with the seventies, where

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there was quite famously a number of bombings. This is

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not the seventies. This is the fifties, the nineteen fifties,

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So you know, that's the I think this should go

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to explain the motivations of a lot of the people

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pushing this. This was not a popular movement. This was

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not grassroots legislative change. This was not even sort of

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like a cultural imperialistic thing like you'll see a lot

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of more Southern libertarians say that this was a push

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from the north. This was a push by you know,

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high subversives in government that had control over the military

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on multiple levels. They had control over what would become

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your intelligencia that would inhabit the new university systems. They

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would take control of the legal process, which is what

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the rest of this article will go into. They would

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completely rewrite the legal code, as we can already kind

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of mentioned with immigration, and they would completely change policing standards,

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which goes through that rotting urban decay that I mentioned.

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We can summarize that there and not get too sidetracked.

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Speaker 1: So you know what I find interesting about this is,

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just before we started recording, I was on Twitter and

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I saw a Kami calling himself a libertarian who based

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in many such cases, who posted that Puerto Rico should

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become the fifty first state. And when you went under

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it and looked a lot of people said, well that

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should be up to them they should vote on that.

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None of those people would say that the people in

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this picture should vote on whether they should have this

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act forced upon them.

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Speaker 2: Well, they won't. And there's two reasons behind that. There

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is a reason that the Civil Rights Acts and the

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Voting Rights Acts and all of these other integrationist measures

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weren't put up to a proposition. They weren't put up

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to a referendum. And that's because the laws that they

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were trying to replace were oftentimes popularly voted local laws.

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Those evil Jim Crow laws that you hear about in school.

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They don't really get told what they do. Just they

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separated whites and blacks, and you know they also did

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mean things to the blacks and didn't harm the whites,

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So the narrative goes, those were all popularly voted in.

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By contrast, the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts were

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not popularly forced in. This is what we might call

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bayonet legislation in regards to the modern day, where the

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popular libertarian solution is to, you know, put it to

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a local vote. You can really tell who is serious

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about it and who is just saying it for who

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knows what reason. If you you say, all right, so

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we can do the same with any legislation, including the

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civil rights Acts and the modern day that might not

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make much of a difference because they, the people that

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push this this societal revolution, just have complete dominance over

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the media, education, and any any other propagandic institution. The

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vote might not be different in the modern day, but

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the very principle itself that you'd be probing from those

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more communistic sort of libertarian types, I guess you could

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call them. You can really test them with this because

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it's an uncomfortable law by modern by modern standards, but

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if you're really pushing for decentralization, it shouldn't matter, you know,

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it should be up to the people in the location.

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So yeah, to your point.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing most people and I'm not even ripping

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on libertarians so much. Right wingers do it too. Is

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when it comes to uncomfortable things like this, they need to.

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Speaker 4: Not upset that.

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Speaker 1: They're not upsetting the Apple card, they're not upsetting the

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They don't want to get attacked as racists or anything

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like that. I mean, they just they care more. They

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care more about what people who want them dead, uh,

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you know, think of them, or if they don't care

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about that. They care more about what they're in group thinks.

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Because they're in group is has wild ideas about what

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liberty looks like. You know, whether it be celebrating we

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need to not sex work is real work, and we

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need to celebrate it, not only accept it and things

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like that. I mean that that's not that, that's not

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romotan to talk about. Because you know, you're you're a

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hero of civil rights. But if you talk about this, well,

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I mean, you're no different than David Duke or you know,

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anyone else who opposed the Civil Rights Act of fifty seven.

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Speaker 2: Or right, and even a lot of terrible narratives that

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come out of this. You know, on a fundamental level,

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most people will not be able to tell you what

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is wrong inherently with separating people based off of a

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different characteristics. It could be race, or it could be

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any other class differences. You know, surfs and peasants. Most

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people will not be able to tell you what's inherently

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wrong with that. You know, most civil rights supporters, they

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will always resort to arguments of unequal application. You know,

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welfare was there's a disparity in welfare between these groups

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that were separated. There was you know, these laws weren't

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equally enforced and all this other stuff, which, if you notice,

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the rhetorical trick is not an issue with the separation itself.

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It's an issue with the application.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: They always pull this trick. It's what the narratives do,

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it's what the school systems do, it's what the media does.

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And I wouldn't be shocked if most libertarian literature did

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this as well, or at least the more left leaning

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side of it. It's always the application that they will

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focus on. And that's because for the longest time, most

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people were fine with this way of doing things. It

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was only with the advent of mass media in the

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hands of certain people that this become a widely discussed

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topic and outrage was manufactured for it. So I don't

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know exactly where you want to go after that point,

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because we can continue on or.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, let's continue on in the in the sub stack,

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because the it starts getting into that, it starts getting

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into you, right.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, we've laid a lot of background and discussed

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some effects. So and that kind of goes under the

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reason I wrote this. A lot of people that are

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politically involved or and obviously people that aren't will have

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very strong opinions on civil rights and the Acts and

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all the other stuff it's supposed to. It's sort of

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like the neutral moral point for the modern era. You're

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a normal person in the modern era if you just

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accept the Civil Rights Act. You're a weird outcast if

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you go against it, and you're very moral if you

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push for more of it. You know, that's sort of

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a paradigm that you're working in. That's great and all.

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No one actually knows what's in them. I would be

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shocked if you know five percent of the population has

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like read the pieces of legislation themselves, not summaries. That's

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a step closer. But you can summarize anything out of

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any piece of legislation to make it sound good or bad.

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You get into the act full primary source. I doubt.

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I doubt you know five percent of people have done that.

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If one percent so the fifty seven, yeah, you.

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Speaker 3: Want to jump down really good because it's short, and

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I don't know if it's the shortest of the Civil

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Rights Act, but it's definitely one of the most concise

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and to the point.

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Speaker 2: And for the article I actually start later because it

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starts out with how it's going to enforce what it does,

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and then says what it's enforcing. So for you know,

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for the reader's purpose, I have I've switched the two

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topics around chronologically and we just start off with what

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exactly the fifty seven Civil Rights Act is dealing with.

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And this is a I have it linked in the

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substack right here. I'm sure this will be leaked somewhere

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on Pete's uploads. So yeah, so you can go read

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it for yourself. You don't believe me, this is in

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the Civil Rights Act what exactly it does? And I'm

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quick voting care No person shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or

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attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for

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the purpose of interfering with the right of such other

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person to vote or to vote as he may choose,

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or of causing such other person to vote for or

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not to for any candidate at any general, special, or

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primary election held solely or in part for the purpose

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of selecting or electing any such candidate. So that's very

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that's legal ease, there's there's no way getting around it.

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But what it's saying is that you cannot in any

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in any major capacity, cause someone to change their mind

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about who they were going to vote for or if

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they were going to vote at all. Right, so, or

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at least do so with the with a threat behind it,

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which is why they say intimidate, threaten, or coerce or

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intempt to do so. These are all very ethereal concepts.

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They all have legal definitions shore but that only matters

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if we have this first part here where it's actually

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been done. We have the second clause right here at

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the start that says, if you attempt to do so,

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you know your you're in violation of the law. An

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attempt Uh. If I need to remind anyone logically what

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this means. You know, you don't actually have to do it.

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It's just if the court finds that you looked like

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you were going to do it, you're in violation of

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this law. There's no way to get around it. It's

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very sort of a draconian in that in that way,

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which is why most of your good laws that most

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people are fine with just leave it at. If you

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do the thing, your in violation of the law, with

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very few exceptions murder attempted murder, because it's really hard

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to uh uh, you know, you're sorry. It's very hard

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to get someone for attempting to murder without uh, without

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them actually having done it. You can't really frame that

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too terribly well. It would take a lot of ingenuity.

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It's very rare. But this is a very relaxed and

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elastic thing that we're dealing with. Intimidation, threats, coercion, and

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any sort of any cause that would get another person

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to vote for not to vote for a candidate or

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at all. So you're dealing with a very ethereal concept,

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something you can't really grasp. It could look like anything.

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There's a very broad scope here. And if you go

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against this, if the court decides that you go against this,

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you're in violation of federal law. So you know this

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isn't state law. This is this is federal legislation that

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applies to every person. And then we go on it.

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Speaker 1: Looks like there is something very specific there, and tell

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me if I'm wrong. At any general, special, or primary election,

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is the law saying that it's this only? This is

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only taken into consideration at a polling place.

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Speaker 2: So this is where we're going to get into actual enforcement.

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Because the strictest interpretation of this, which we had for

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a few years, would say yes, because the intentions and

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not what's actually written here. The intention was to prevent

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people from standing at voting boxes and boots and all

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this other stuff and you know, intimidating other people, which

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is a trope that didn't happen too terribly much, And

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we had other legislation in the past one hundred years

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before this that was preventing that. You know, quite famously,

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you had the elections in eighteen ninety six and nineteen

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00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,000
hundred where this did happen, and you had retaliatory legislation

478
00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:56,519
throughout the next like forty years or so trying to

479
00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:00,640
prevent this. So in theory, this already existed. The strictest

480
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,799
definition would say, this is just reaffirming that that principle

481
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,880
that you can't intimidate anyone at the at at the

482
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:15,279
voting booths. However, you get the radical interpretation of this

483
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,200
that is saying, well, you can intimidate these people at

484
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,200
these elections without being at the vote at the voting booth.

485
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,680
So you can if you're in like a small town

486
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,720
in the South, we can use like their type of example.

487
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:38,720
You can have like a you know, prior warnings issued

488
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,000
like a few days before, you could have patrols on

489
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:45,279
the streets or whatnot. You know, the things that didn't

490
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:48,119
actually really happen that much that a lot of your

491
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,759
civil rights fiction and literature would point towards is why

492
00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:56,640
this needed to happen. Your more liberal interpretation will include

493
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:56,960
all of that.

494
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:04,079
Speaker 1: So, I mean, I could take it to be that

495
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,680
anyone who says that if you vote for Trump, you're

496
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,000
a fascist and you shouldn't be you shouldn't be allowed,

497
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,279
you should have your kids taken away from you. I

498
00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:18,000
mean that seems to be a violation of that when

499
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,519
you look at it from the list.

500
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,279
Speaker 2: But then we get into the reality of law, which is,

501
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,240
you know, who is actually deciding who writes the law

502
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:27,920
and not. It's not these words on the page, unfortunately

503
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,079
or fortunately one or the other. Right, So if you

504
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:36,880
were to be consistent with that very radical interpretation of this,

505
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,839
you would be correct having people say that there should

506
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:44,279
be an authority that takes away your offspring if you

507
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:47,759
do not vote in the correct way. Most sane people

508
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:51,519
would say, yeah, this violates the law, but that's not

509
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:54,839
how it's ever going to be enforced. And I didn't

510
00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:58,720
actually include this into the article because I thought the

511
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:01,240
logical progress something that I'm making here I just thought

512
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:06,279
would be obvious or not obvious but understood. Rather, there

513
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:10,839
are provisions in here by the government, and I link

514
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,519
it in the article itself so you can go read

515
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:18,519
the actual act. The legislation makes provisions to sort of

516
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:24,960
a change how the jury system worked, so who could

517
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,920
be selected, who couldn't be selected. It's at a federal standard,

518
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,880
I believe, for the first time in history or the

519
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:35,480
second time one or the other. And on just the

520
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,599
bare pages, that's all I did. It just said like

521
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,960
you had to be you had to have this many qualifications,

522
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:43,880
or you had to be in this area or something

523
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,079
in order to serve on a jury. But in reality,

524
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:51,799
what this did is it put specific people in specific

525
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:56,079
places that allowed juries to be balanced in favor of

526
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,640
a civil rights push, which is why, for like the

527
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,400
fifty years preceding this, the South completely upheld you know,

528
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,839
basically every sort of a separate medieval doctrine that was

529
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:12,839
in existence. But afterwards, even without the Supreme Court in

530
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,440
some cases in local courts, what could happen is that

531
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,359
the jury could be you know, swayed in favor of

532
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:25,640
a more civil rights verdict. So I forget exactly what

533
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,240
it's what it's said, and I don't have it written

534
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:31,559
down in front of me, but I believe it would

535
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,960
later be expanded to allow women. You know, you had

536
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,440
to allow women onto the juris most most of us

537
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:43,240
might know that women tend to be much more left

538
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:47,079
liberal leaning, especially with the college system that's being set

539
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:50,960
in place by this regime starting this act. So you

540
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,119
you obviously have a balance or an imbalance going there,

541
00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:56,599
but you also had a certain amount of pay that

542
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,200
was being offered, You had certain standards that were all

543
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,160
of which would allow people to balance these courts. If

544
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,039
this I can put this in a different way, if

545
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:12,000
this happened in a third world country, you would see

546
00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:14,599
the United States media coming out and saying that they've

547
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,159
rigged the legal system, just sort of how blatant it is.

548
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:22,599
And most right wing figures at the time were saying this.

549
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,880
They were just trampled over and ignored because they did

550
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:34,960
not have the media complex under their control. So yeah, yeah,

551
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:40,559
So he goes on whenever any person has engaged or

552
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:43,039
there are reasonable grounds to believe that any person is

553
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:46,159
about to engage in any act or practice which would

554
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,760
deprive any other person of any right or privilege secured

555
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,480
by this sub section. The Attorney General may institute for

556
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:57,639
the United States a civil action or other proper proceeding

557
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,440
for preventative relief. So simplify this, what does that mean?

558
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,440
If any person looks like they are about to violate this,

559
00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:13,320
the Attorney General of the United States can basically take

560
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,079
complete and total action against them. The federal government will

561
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:22,519
interfere into state electoral laws and practices and initiatives and

562
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,840
legal customs. They will just bypass all of that, and

563
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,320
you will be subjected to the federal government. This means,

564
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,239
you know, you're not going to get any sympathetic Southerner

565
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,679
on your side if you're a Southern counterprotester. Later on,

566
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,440
if you're in the Midwest or the West coast and

567
00:35:41,519 --> 00:35:44,360
you kind of like the more sort of separate equal

568
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,840
laws and you try to go against that, there is

569
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,119
a risk that you could be construed as trying to intimidate, threaten,

570
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:56,480
or corrosion, coerce, or interfere in the vote of a person,

571
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:03,760
and you can be subjected to Thettorney General. So obviously

572
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:11,519
this isn't a doesn't really happen to individual people. But

573
00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:14,119
that doesn't matter, because individual people acting on their own

574
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:17,760
isn't what gets societies changed unless you're a great person,

575
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:22,719
a great man. What this basically means is if you're

576
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:28,159
an organization trying to go against this practically, what you

577
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,960
and I would say, Pete, is you know this organ

578
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:34,559
an organization will try to go against this law in

579
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:37,920
some sort of practical or even legal way, going off

580
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,840
of a strict interpretation of this text, and they can

581
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,519
very easily be construed as intimidating, threatening, or coercing or

582
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:50,079
attempting to do so. And then suddenly they're subjected to

583
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,519
infringing upon the civil rights and the privileges secured within

584
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:56,400
this act, so.

585
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: Which seemed to be left wide open, and with a

586
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,199
civil action or other proper proceeding for preventative relief.

587
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:10,119
Speaker 2: That I mean, I believe what would have to happen

588
00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:13,800
is that would have to be specified. I don't know

589
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,920
if that's a hard rule. I think that practically you

590
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,400
would have to specify that beforehand in like an act. Really,

591
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,079
what this means is that the you know, they're setting

592
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:29,719
the groundwork for their enforcement basically after they've said what

593
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,079
the enforcement is going to be. This act is really

594
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:37,480
strangely construed. But there's also a social effect of both

595
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,880
of these things. You know, if I replace you know,

596
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,719
voting or the vote or something like that in this

597
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,840
text with the words prey or worship or something like that,

598
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,079
and then you know, replaced general, special or primary election

599
00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:56,000
with like the state church or something like that. We

600
00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:58,039
have a blasphemy law like we would have had five

601
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,800
hundred years ago that would have been very common in

602
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:06,320
most Western countries. And this is why I went with

603
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,280
calling it the civil rights regime, is because this isn't

604
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,000
just a legal development or some terrible turn in United

605
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:19,840
States history. This is completely establishing a new society because

606
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,320
these are blasphemy laws.

607
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: And you know, it's.

608
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,199
Speaker 2: Probably no coincidence that you immediately thought, you know, that

609
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,039
could be execution, because you know, it's far fetched, but

610
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:34,559
it's not impossible that this could potentially happen, especially with

611
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:37,719
some of the developments that we're seeing in other Western

612
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,960
countries of you know, what might have been impossible, thought

613
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,119
impossible two years ago is now happening in terms of

614
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:50,599
a publicly sponsored death. Yeah, this is a blasphemy law.

615
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,719
And we see that most of our governments are not

616
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,239
are not really too squeamish about enforcing blasphemy law us,

617
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,440
nor are they too squeamish about getting rid of people

618
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,199
that could potentially in the future go against them. So

619
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:09,800
and that and that's the point that I make here

620
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,880
in this paragraph is that this is a this is

621
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,719
setting like a new social standard, that thing that I

622
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,960
mentioned at the beginning, or closer to the beginning. This

623
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:21,159
is setting morality in the modern day. You know, if

624
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:25,639
you're normal people like the Civil Rights Acts, you're really

625
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:27,880
good if you really support them and want more, and

626
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,199
you're evil and terrible if you go against them. That's

627
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:36,559
being set up here. The language of the subject, the enforcement,

628
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:42,960
and the scope here it's a it's a social reconstruction

629
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,840
more than it is messing with anything electoral or mechanical

630
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,960
on that sort of sphere. So that's the importance of

631
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,679
these two things, plus just knowing what's actually in them.

632
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,159
So there's no actual declaration that says segregation is no

633
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:04,519
longer allowed anymore or something like that, because you know

634
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,760
that would be way too that'd be way too on

635
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,559
the nose, that would be way too you know, sort

636
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:13,000
of door slamming for Congress at the time, it wouldn't

637
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,239
get through. This is once again you have to keep

638
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,440
in your mind, this is the compromise position that we've

639
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:18,960
got here.

640
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 4: Uh.

641
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: This really terribly written enforcement and uh and social law

642
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,679
that we see. This is the compromise. They could have

643
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,599
gone farther, and in fact they did in the next

644
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:37,920
few acts. But this is a not quite what the

645
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:43,000
popular narrative says. It's not quite as beautiful or glamorous,

646
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,800
you know, it's boring. Legally, is about the voting rights

647
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,239
of people basically in the South. This is targeting the

648
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:55,559
South quite obviously. You know, segregation technically would still be allowed.

649
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,840
A lot of your voting methods also wouldnically still be

650
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:07,119
allowed because a you would have to make a separate

651
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:10,480
legal case that say, illiteracy test does an interference with

652
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,800
the right to vote, because the counter argument to would

653
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,920
obviously be, well, everyone just has to take it and

654
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,119
everyone still has their right. It's just we don't want

655
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:23,800
illiterates voting on things they don't understand, which is why

656
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,000
literacy tests aren't included in here. Other Jim Crow laws

657
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,800
aren't included in here. So this the star of the

658
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,719
Civil Rights Acts, something that you might see in the

659
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:38,039
modern day are very gentle, very subtle, but still nonetheless

660
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:44,400
very dogmatic and very restructuring. So you know, these could

661
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,159
go farther, and they eventually will. But this is sort

662
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:51,880
of like boiling the frog in the pot. This was

663
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,000
what you could pass in nineteen fifty seven. Give it

664
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:57,000
a few years after this has been going, after you

665
00:41:57,039 --> 00:41:59,760
have the media running twenty four to seven coverage over

666
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,159
this topic, and then you can pass something more extreme,

667
00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:06,320
and you just keep going at infinitum until the country collapses.

668
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: I like that you say that this is basically transforms

669
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,599
voting into being one of the holy sacraments of democracy,

670
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,440
because it really is. It's you. I was saying this

671
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:27,000
on a live stream the other night. Was the person

672
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:33,119
who tells you just vote the Republican, That person sounds

673
00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:35,920
normal to me. The person who says, just vote Democrat,

674
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:38,760
That person who sounds normalst me. The person who says

675
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,599
I don't care who you vote for, just vote That

676
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:44,599
person scares the hell out of me. Because they are

677
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:48,920
seeking to legitimize the system and they need It's like

678
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:51,559
they need that system to exist, and they need.

679
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: Most people's modern morals are founded on like a secular

680
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,280
government's mechanisms. I believe there's an old Glory Club article

681
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,119
that's talking about sort of like the other sacraments of

682
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:09,119
the of our enemies. Basically, voting is probably one of

683
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:12,599
the most key ones when you're in school, especially the

684
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:15,679
public schools. It's pushed on you basically from the second

685
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,840
grade on, where, if not the first grade, schools will

686
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,199
hold mock elections. It's not uncommon to have public schools

687
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,639
sort of like you know, have people have like a

688
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:31,239
mock vote for whatever president is under re election. It's

689
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,280
not uncommon for people to have to do a ton

690
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:38,480
of reports over the different party structures, the actual voting mechanism,

691
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:41,440
and all this other stuff. It's not uncommon for people

692
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,280
to have to, you know, actually go out and find

693
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,280
out how to register. As part of the public school system,

694
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:53,199
they want you to vote. They have a most places,

695
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:55,719
I believe, have some sort of mechanism to make sure

696
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,039
that you have all the time available to go and

697
00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:03,199
vote on that day. There's probably a few other things

698
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,719
I'm forgetting as well. A lot of advertisements, a lot

699
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,679
of major companies that are affiliated with the state and

700
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,119
the state self will run advertisements trying to make sure

701
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:18,159
that you get as many people voting as possible. Now,

702
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,639
if you were to just take democracy on paper, voting

703
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:25,719
for the sake of voting doesn't make sense. You know,

704
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,519
you only vote about things that you care about, and

705
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:31,239
not everything needs to be voted on by everyone, because

706
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,199
if you take the classic democratic argument, you only want

707
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,440
the people that know what they're doing to vote, which

708
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,559
is why, you know, basically every democracy except you know,

709
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:46,320
this terrifying one, didn't have universal suffrage. But when you

710
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,760
stop looking at it from a governmental point of view

711
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,239
and you start looking at it from a religious point

712
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,400
of view, suddenly voting for the sake of voting being

713
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,719
a moral good makes much more sense. It's a sacrament

714
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:05,280
for religion, which you know, it's a it's a very

715
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,800
popular and sort of stale talking point now. But when

716
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,199
they were talking about the holy Temple of democracy being Washington,

717
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,039
d c. And Congress and you know, all the different

718
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:20,400
state buildings, you know, that was when most people sort

719
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,159
of woke up to the fact that this existed. But

720
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,159
it's not a new development by any means. Nineteen fifty

721
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:34,920
seven is almost seventy years ago. Right, and you could

722
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,039
probably find more developments preceding this that didn't go as

723
00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:42,119
far as making this a sacrament. You know, this is

724
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:44,920
a this is radical for the time, and the rest

725
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,519
of the article will go into saying that, but seven

726
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:52,880
decades ago that we've had sort of a moral system

727
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:56,320
built up around the sacred vote with the Holy Temple

728
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,519
in Washington, d C. With the elected sort of press

729
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:03,840
that go up and vote on the inner esoteric workings

730
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,840
of this holy Holy Temple. Seven decades is a long time.

731
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:12,440
That's almost twice the amount of time that Moses and

732
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,719
the Old Testament had the Israelites in the desert basically

733
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,079
dying off so that they could be worthy and basically

734
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,400
completely restructured as a society to enter the Promised Land.

735
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,719
Seventy years is more than enough to completely destroy any

736
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,760
other religion or moral system that existed before whatever you're

737
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,960
trying to institute. And then you know, by the seventieth year,

738
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,239
it makes perfect sense that you have complete and total

739
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,360
dominance as a morality. Just to put that in perspective.

740
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:48,559
Speaker 1: Well, and I do want to say, because YouTube loves

741
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:53,199
to give strikes for things related to voting, we're not

742
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,960
telling people not to vote. We're just making the point

743
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,400
that we're in If we're in a quote unquote democracy,

744
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,400
people don't have to vote if they don't want to,

745
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,159
and pressuring people to vote is just as bad as

746
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:04,880
pressure people.

747
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: The strict interpretation of this law would agree with you.

748
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,599
But uh, hopefully we've made the case now and hopefully

749
00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:14,199
you have enough historical foresight to see that this didn't

750
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:14,760
stop here.

751
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:20,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, scrolling down because we got a.

752
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so actual, So we have the ideal, we have

753
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:27,000
what the law says is and is not and will

754
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:29,840
be uh, you know, prosecuted. How are we going to

755
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:36,440
enforce this, Well, we get something uh that's very common nowadays,

756
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:39,800
but at the time would have been a very major step.

757
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,280
This is sort of a this is where the controversy

758
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,400
really lies. And I will quote the Act here and

759
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,639
we'll just go over it quickly because that there's not

760
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,320
much to dwell in here. It's just what is quote.

761
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,840
There is created in the executive branch of the government

762
00:47:55,039 --> 00:48:00,079
a Commission on Civil Rights. The Commission shall investigate allegation

763
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,840
and writing under oath or affirmation, that certain citizens of

764
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,320
the United States are being deprived of their right to

765
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:11,239
vote and have that vote counted by reason of their color, race, religion,

766
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:17,559
or national origin. Two studying collect information concerning legal developments

767
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:20,719
constituting a denial of equal protection of the laws under

768
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,440
the Constitution. And three appraise the laws and policies of

769
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,199
the federal government with respect to equal protection of the

770
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,559
laws under the Constitution. So there is a separate executive

771
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:40,039
commission whose only job it is to investigate any allegations,

772
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,320
not actual cases or probable cases, or warranty or warrants

773
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,800
or any of these other things, allegations that people just

774
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,000
write down and write their name to that this Act

775
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:57,880
up here is being violated. It's in the executive branch

776
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,039
as well, so there's a lot of a a lot

777
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:04,280
of autonomy, we could say, as opposed to some of

778
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,960
the other commissions by the other branches. Is also supposed

779
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:15,119
to study and collect information regarding the legal developments basically

780
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:18,199
of the status of these laws up here, and then

781
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,920
it has the authority to appraise the laws and policies

782
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,079
of the federal government with regard to these laws up here.

783
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:30,119
So this one commission that was just established out of

784
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:36,119
thin air has the ability to investigate allegations of this

785
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:41,000
wide reaching law that was just passed. It has the

786
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:46,440
ability to basically make its own reports and studies and

787
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:50,840
analyzes of different parts of the country, basically marking its

788
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,440
targets who are we going to focus on, And then

789
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,199
it has the authority to self correct the federal government itself,

790
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,119
the thing that is establishing it, to make sure that

791
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:04,599
it falls more in line with these laws. So in

792
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:07,639
practical terms are in real terms, we have a commission

793
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,280
whose only sole job it is is to find cases

794
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,320
in which it can apply these laws and as extravagant

795
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,760
as way as possible. Because it's the federal government. You

796
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,880
don't do things just slightly or within budget. You have

797
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,079
to keep going in order to keep your job secure.

798
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,480
So it's going to find allegations of which these laws

799
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:32,960
are being violated, it's going to find regions of which

800
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,159
these laws are being violated in order to have a

801
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:38,920
sort of macro focus, and it's going to completely restructure

802
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,800
the federal government in doing this to make sure that

803
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,199
it can just keep going. You know, it's a positive

804
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:49,000
feedback loop. This can only grow right here in this

805
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:53,800
one little section of the law. So in the modern

806
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,440
day this might seem less radical because we have other

807
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,760
commissions that do the exact same thing all the time.

808
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:01,559
In fact, if you look at the Wikipedia page, you

809
00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:04,920
could probably find I don't know, like, was it fifty

810
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:08,119
different commissions within the last seventy years that basically do this,

811
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,719
but in their own fields not nearly as extreme. I

812
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,480
might add, there aren't many commissions that have the sole

813
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:19,960
purpose of completely restructuring your society, though they will affect it.

814
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,639
But this one was sort of like the start of

815
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:28,400
that of that development. If the federal government wants to

816
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,360
really do something without having to do with those you know,

817
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,000
written laws and checks and balances and whatnot, they found

818
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:38,400
a way to bypass the words on the paper. Surprise, surprise.

819
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,559
They just established a commission of people that you know,

820
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:45,679
just do what they want. So that's that's what this

821
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:46,239
is here.

822
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: Why do you think they went further with this with

823
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:56,360
sixty Well, when when it comes to the voting rights,

824
00:51:56,599 --> 00:52:03,920
the sixty five Act, was it just to make it right?

825
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 3: There's a couple of reasons. Sixty five makes the legal

826
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,519
cases much easier because they prohibit specific things that were

827
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:16,360
happening in specific parts of the country. This stuff over here,

828
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,519
as I was mentioning it was all intangible. It's sort

829
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:21,800
of just laying out a principle, if you will, which

830
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,480
is why I called it a building block or a

831
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:27,320
foundation for the rest of them to build on. These

832
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:34,039
don't explicitly outlaw grandfather clauses or literacy tests or any

833
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:37,760
other sort of like fenangling you you know, fanangling you

834
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:44,440
could do with voting. Sixty five explicitly outlaws those things.

835
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,000
So basically there's no question as to whether or not

836
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:49,119
the counter arguments are going to hold up in court

837
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:53,079
because it's illegal. Now you also have the other thing,

838
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,800
the I want to make this a series where I

839
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,159
go through each and every individual one and not just

840
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:03,960
stop on fifty seven, but sixty four and sixty five

841
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:08,559
go way beyond just race and way beyond just equal protection.

842
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:16,039
Sixty fourth the Civil Rights Act quite famously applies to

843
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:21,760
basically every form of discrimination you can come across. So basically,

844
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,280
you as a citizen are no longer allowed to discriminate

845
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,760
in a public position, whether it's your own store, your

846
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,039
own private property that you are selling to the public.

847
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,159
If you are in a local government where the people

848
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,679
all agree that they don't want you know, these specific

849
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:38,840
people in the community, too bad you have to accept them.

850
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,280
If you have your own restaurant or whatnot. You can

851
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,679
only manage it in certain ways, because otherwise you might

852
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,360
be accidentally segregating all of those things come with the

853
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,960
later acts. You would have to be very, very creative

854
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:55,119
and very hard working in order to extrapolate any of

855
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:59,639
that from these pieces of legislation. Which is in summary

856
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,280
to say that you get those later acts because they

857
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,119
want to go farther. This does not go far enough

858
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,599
to the well for the modern steps quote, but for

859
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:11,559
the nineteen fifty seven radical this doesn't go near far enough.

860
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:15,039
This is just touching on voting. Great, they have their

861
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:18,280
sacrament locked down now, but they don't have the rest

862
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,039
of society that they want to engineer under their scope yet.

863
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:28,039
So that's that's why you get those later acts.

864
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: And you also mentioned here that very famous senator tried

865
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:42,719
to fill abuster the act. Somebody that, oh that that

866
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:48,320
great right wing trope of making making the left out

867
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,519
to be the real racists. Yeah, that really works, right,

868
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:54,960
I mean, oh, I mean so many people, so many

869
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,320
people on the on the left are like, oh my god, I'm.

870
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:58,079
Speaker 4: The real racist.

871
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it works famously so well that for the

872
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:04,639
last twenty years, we've done nothing but go back to

873
00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:07,079
the way that society was in the fifties. We haven't.

874
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,519
We haven't drifted ever further leftward, as we've accepted the

875
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:15,159
frame and the moral underpinnings of the radicals pushing these things, right.

876
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:21,199
Speaker 1: Pete, Yeah, or as our you mentioned, our friend raging

877
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,599
mandrel talking about the sacraments of our of the enemy,

878
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,000
our enemies like loss of sexual innocence, teaching children about

879
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:37,079
non reproductive sex, transitioning children, pedophilia, abortion, veneration of minority

880
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:40,920
groups and veneration of violent criminals, the principle of inversion,

881
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,079
the leveling of all individuals and a society to the

882
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:51,000
lowest common denominator. Yeah, all of those things that, Yeah,

883
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,119
I mean, all you have to do is tell the

884
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:57,000
left that they're the real racist, and we're back. We're back,

885
00:55:57,079 --> 00:56:01,480
We're back. The New Deal regime is gone, the war

886
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:02,960
between the States never happened.

887
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, so we having said all of that,

888
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,360
that describes much more the sort of modern right wing

889
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:19,159
than it does Senator Swan Thurmond here, I think I

890
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:22,400
did a stream on my channel Ryan turn of Seat

891
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,800
on YouTube where I talked to a very well accomplished

892
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:32,400
American historian Christopher Sambatch about the party switch. Senator Thurmond

893
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,519
here at this point in time would have still been

894
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:38,199
a Democrat. He is one of the few people to

895
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:43,679
actually switch parties. Though there's a lot to go into there,

896
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,480
the basic summary I can give, hopefully not too terribly

897
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:51,840
incorrect or oversimplifying, that sort of a party switch that

898
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,159
a lot of American conservatives like to say never happened

899
00:56:55,159 --> 00:57:00,239
at all, kind of happened. The issues did swap, and

900
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:05,199
the coalitions did change. But it wasn't like politicians were saying, well,

901
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,119
I'm a right winger and this is the right wing

902
00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:12,119
party now, so I have to switch affiliation. Instead. What

903
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,719
happened is a lot of people just started running under

904
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:20,480
different parties and voting out the existing politicians. And but

905
00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:23,000
one of the points that were made is that that

906
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:26,599
was made sorry by Christopher Sambatch, is that in a

907
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:29,440
lot of these places in the South, you can only

908
00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:33,840
run as Democrat because that's the only political infrastructure that's there.

909
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:38,280
He uses Louisiana as an example quite a lot, as

910
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,519
he did on that stream, and he would say there's

911
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:44,039
just not like a Republican party headquarters in Louisiana. At

912
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:47,960
this point in time, Strong Thurman was the South Carolina

913
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,920
governor and senator. There was a Republican Party presence, It

914
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,599
wasn't non existent, but you're only ever going to get

915
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:59,639
anywhere if you run as a Democrat. And you know,

916
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:02,760
he himself obviously fit the Democratic bill. For quite a

917
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:08,440
long time, these Southern Democrats were very populistic economically, so

918
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,360
they supported a lot of the New Deal regime, which

919
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,360
you could kind of see as a fostine bargain. They

920
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,239
support this New Deal regime and it inevitably kind of

921
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:24,599
leads to the civil rights push. But regardless, Strong Thermond

922
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:30,880
here was basically the face of the right wing reaction

923
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:34,840
to the civil rights bills, even though I doubt most

924
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,280
libertarians would consider him right wing because he was a

925
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,559
welfare statist, which is what the Southern Democrats were. But

926
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,880
he opposed the Civil Rights Act the most thorough way,

927
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,599
quite famously by giving an over twenty four hour long

928
00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:56,599
filibuster against this bill in the Senate. So just a

929
00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:59,119
couple of things. I'm sure some of your audience has

930
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:02,719
probably heard of this, for you know, twenty four hour filibuster.

931
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,679
It's the record. It was through four Civil Rights Act.

932
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:09,039
It was an evil Southern racist that did it. You

933
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:11,079
know all of the all the tropes that usually get

934
00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:15,480
passed around here. You know, that looks nice and it

935
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:17,639
kind of goes past the point to where most people

936
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:22,639
can't conceive of speaking for twenty four hours. I don't

937
00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:24,400
know about you. I don't know what the longest stream

938
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,400
or discussion you've done is, but I think the longest

939
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:34,039
I've ever spoken consecutively was six hours. That was in person,

940
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:36,960
so it wasn't a stream, and my throat was bleeding

941
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:41,159
by the end of it. This guy was speaking to

942
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:46,320
a House of Congress without you know, modern microphone technology

943
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,679
and all this other stuff for over twenty four hours

944
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:52,639
before you had computers and laptops and all this other

945
00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:57,280
stuff with which to keep notes to filibuster this bill.

946
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,320
And you might think, oh, well, he did it for

947
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,639
such an absurdly long time. He must have just been

948
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,159
buying time. It must have just been fluff, nothing in

949
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:11,599
there at all. You would be very wrong. Senator strom

950
01:00:11,679 --> 01:00:16,719
Thurman was a very thorough gentleman. He read out every

951
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,880
state's electoral laws to the Senate with the sole purpose

952
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:29,000
of making the point that these laws up here weren't necessary.

953
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,320
Most states had already covered them in their own laws.

954
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On the state level. You know, most states had legislation

955
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basically preventing any employee or official from interfering with the

956
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votes of people.

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Speaker 1: You know.

958
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Speaker 2: Obviously they didn't go far enough as to put it

959
01:00:49,159 --> 01:00:53,400
into such religious language and have such terrifying enforcement, but

960
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:57,519
they were on the books. And then furthermore, he basically

961
01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:02,320
went through the potential ramification of enacting this law. What

962
01:01:02,519 --> 01:01:05,679
happens if you put this you know, blasphemy law into

963
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:08,480
the hands of a federal commission and the federal government,

964
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,440
you know, with the sole purpose of finding cases of

965
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,480
which to enforce these laws, Well you're going to get

966
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,239
a massive overreach on the federal government. Sure, that's that's

967
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,480
the basic point. But he predicted a complete upheaval of society.

968
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,039
You know, he made the classic slippery slope argument that, uh,

969
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,639
you know, for whatever reason, I'm told the slippery slope

970
01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:32,880
is a fallacy, But every single slippery slope that I

971
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,320
read in history just comes true quite magically. He's talking

972
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,559
about how they just won't stop after this. They're going

973
01:01:40,599 --> 01:01:44,840
to completely uproot the American legal tradition itself. Uh, they're

974
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,320
going to completely uproot American society. Uh what would have

975
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,559
been recognized as traditional at the time. They're going to

976
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,519
uh basically make this all they're going to make. Ah,

977
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:57,800
you know, federal legislation, Uh sort of like the go

978
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,519
to in stuff state legislation. All these things that happened.

979
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,239
And this is a sort of a side tangent, if

980
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:07,320
you'll allow me to go on it. When most people

981
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:11,840
think of the amendments today, you know, your basic federal legislation,

982
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:16,480
if you will, constitutional amendments, but basically the same thing.

983
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:21,119
In most people's minds at this point, they usually envision

984
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:26,119
this happening on a ubiquitous personal level. You know, the

985
01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:29,360
first Amendment to most people in the modern day means

986
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:34,960
that no government official can interfere with freedom of the

987
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:40,119
press or speech or religion. If you know your constitutional history,

988
01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:42,559
though that's not how it was working for the majority

989
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:46,800
of its existence. All of those amendments in the Constitution,

990
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:53,599
except for few exceptions, applied to the federal government. They

991
01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:59,320
were restrictions on federal activity. This act and the acts

992
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,880
that would come after, and the legal philosophy that would

993
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,360
be set in place. The you know the new foreign

994
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:09,840
legal philosophy that's imported here. This is the start of

995
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,000
most of those amendments and federal policies being incorporated is

996
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:20,000
what it's called incorporation onto the states, onto the individual. Now,

997
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,559
in some cases this can work to your advantage. It's

998
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:26,440
not all doom and gloom. You know, your Second Amendment

999
01:03:26,519 --> 01:03:30,760
could technically be more expansive now, but a lot of

1000
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,679
good that's done. Yeah, it's really that Second Amendment right

1001
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,719
has really helped against the the complete upheaval society. But

1002
01:03:38,519 --> 01:03:41,159
a secator Thurman here in this twenty four hour filibuster

1003
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,000
is making all of these points. Basically, he's calling all

1004
01:03:44,039 --> 01:03:47,079
of it. He's doing a lot of predictions, and he's

1005
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:53,039
also very thorough in his in his proof, so he's

1006
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:55,880
not buying into frame or anything here. He's not saying

1007
01:03:55,960 --> 01:04:03,440
like this is good because as a as a Southerner, obviously, yeah,

1008
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:07,559
you want to keep your options open for voting. And

1009
01:04:07,559 --> 01:04:09,679
that goes into a lot of different reasons. Your modern

1010
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,719
narrati would say it's because they're evil racists. If you

1011
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,840
were more throw and did I don't know, if you've

1012
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,599
read a book in your life, it's because the Southern

1013
01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:20,800
political philosophy is deeply rooted in a sort of like

1014
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,719
an elitist democratic system. So you get what looks like

1015
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,719
universal suffrage and all of that, but you also get

1016
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,800
very powerful politicians and political bosses and leaders and sort

1017
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,480
of like an elite that emerges in the Southern society.

1018
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:37,239
That's the tradition that Thermin and a lot of these

1019
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,000
Dixiecrats are coming out of. So, you know, in trining

1020
01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:43,840
the right to vote as a sacrament for everyone completely

1021
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:49,159
uproots that, It completely uproots the American legal system, American culture.

1022
01:04:50,599 --> 01:04:54,400
You know, I'm repeating myself at this point. So I

1023
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,000
actually linked the filibuster itself. It's a very long one.

1024
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,440
I've read most of it. I doubt many people will

1025
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,199
read most of it. That you can go and see

1026
01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:07,719
for yourself. And the first half of it, the first

1027
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,000
like twelve hours, is literally just him reading word for

1028
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:13,440
word this is what the electoral law in the state

1029
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,519
of Montana says. And then he just reads the whole thing,

1030
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:22,199
and you get the point after like Alabama, that you know,

1031
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:28,199
this law, this piece of legislation probably doesn't just have

1032
01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:34,960
a sort of dry strict intent. This probably isn't what

1033
01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:37,840
they're doing here, why they're doing it. You know, there's

1034
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:43,000
probably more ulterior motives in the background. At the time,

1035
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:47,239
this would be considered a conspiratorial but we know now

1036
01:05:47,239 --> 01:05:49,880
with historical hindsight that there were many more civil rights

1037
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,800
acts that came after this. So that's the fifty seven Act.

1038
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:59,000
That's sort of your background. There's not much impactful things here,

1039
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,599
if you will, I know that's a word that most

1040
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:05,920
people try to avoid using in our spheres. But the

1041
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,719
more substantial stuff, that's a better word, comes with the

1042
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,559
other acts. This will make more sense to why I

1043
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:15,519
start hearing say everything that I have once I go

1044
01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:19,320
over the rest of them, because this opens the door.

1045
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,280
It sets the grounds, the groundwork. You can't get anything

1046
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,800
else that comes after without this one act. You know,

1047
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,960
it is this one thing in the chronological order that

1048
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:33,239
opens the floodgates and starts destroying things.

1049
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it has to start somewhere, you know, when

1050
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,199
we there's always a genesis for it, and there's always

1051
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:44,840
a genesis for the worst things that we've that we experience.

1052
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:51,239
It's that we see brought into law. I mean a

1053
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,800
lot of people talk about how bad the New Deal

1054
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:54,559
regime is.

1055
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 4: You know how many people focus on.

1056
01:06:56,679 --> 01:06:59,559
Speaker 1: How the New Deal regime, how that was planned out,

1057
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:04,400
how I mean you're talking about what is it when

1058
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,119
you look at executive orders. I still I think FDR

1059
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,159
still has like two or three times wrote the two

1060
01:07:11,199 --> 01:07:13,440
or three times any more than like the next person.

1061
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,679
Speaker 2: In fairness, there is a person that did go over

1062
01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:18,639
the New Deal regimes operations. I believe that would be Burnham.

1063
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,760
It's just the only issue is he also does the

1064
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,400
thing where he kind of simplifies what happened. Every now

1065
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,400
and then you'll get a nice quote of his where

1066
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,599
he's dug something up and he's like, this is what

1067
01:07:28,639 --> 01:07:31,639
the law says, and this is how they're screwing you

1068
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:35,039
over with it. But you know, he also does the

1069
01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:38,719
sort of counter narrative simplifying, which is fine. You need

1070
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,079
a dogma or a narrative because not everyone is meant

1071
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:46,880
to be some high minded intellectual or politically active politician.

1072
01:07:47,639 --> 01:07:51,880
Dogmas have utility, but there is an issue when the

1073
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,599
people making the dogmas haven't actually read the primary material themselves.

1074
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,239
So and that's kind of what I was just to

1075
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,800
correct here and also just bring to people.

1076
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:10,559
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, well I was along

1077
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:12,000
the lines of naming names.

1078
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,279
Speaker 2: I'll let you do that because you value your presence.

1079
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:18,920
I won't go to overboard.

1080
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:24,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean I was. I'm talking about when

1081
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:26,319
it comes to the New Deal regime. You know who

1082
01:08:26,359 --> 01:08:28,880
was responsible for writing all that stuff. You know, Art

1083
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:32,359
Alex Jones the other day say in one breath that

1084
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,560
naming names doesn't mean anything, and then he mentioned the

1085
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:42,199
World Economic Form and class swap. So very very very courageous,

1086
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:43,399
very courageous.

1087
01:08:44,079 --> 01:08:47,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. With a lot of that said, I mentioned that

1088
01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:50,439
I discussed sort of like the actual movement itself with

1089
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:54,319
mister Carson, and perhaps there's like a sequel in there

1090
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:55,760
in the works if you get him on to talk

1091
01:08:55,800 --> 01:09:00,279
about some of those things that we discussed. There a

1092
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,239
You know, you don't get a movement out of thin air.

1093
01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:05,920
And I'm sure with your content, hopefully your audience is

1094
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,199
well aware that, you know, populism just doesn't real you know,

1095
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:16,039
you have people organizing things somewhere. Obviously, the legal stuff

1096
01:09:16,119 --> 01:09:18,479
having an origin that that's obvious. You know, you laws

1097
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,479
have to be passed by someone. But the movement itself

1098
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,720
doesn't just come out of thin air either. There are

1099
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,560
organizers and there are names of people that you know

1100
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:31,600
did these things, and most of them were communists, the

1101
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,119
Highlander Folk School, the people that sort of trained the

1102
01:09:35,119 --> 01:09:37,880
initial wave of your civil rights activists that you wouldn't

1103
01:09:38,199 --> 01:09:40,840
recognize at the drop of a hat Rosa Parks, Martin,

1104
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,640
Luther King, or Michael King.

1105
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: Rather.

1106
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:49,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a former communist organization unit that was

1107
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:53,159
targeting union workers in the Appalachians and then turned to

1108
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:55,920
social issues like the Civil Rights Acts because they figured

1109
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,720
they could get their way easier with it. So it's

1110
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,640
a kind of like the Marxist at the Frankfurt School

1111
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,920
dead horse talking point at this point, But you know,

1112
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:09,279
it's another example of an institution on the left going

1113
01:10:09,279 --> 01:10:12,800
from more focusing on a white poor working class as

1114
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,000
the means to a Marxist revolution and turning towards literally

1115
01:10:16,039 --> 01:10:18,479
everything else and destroying that white poor working class in

1116
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,319
order to bring about their utopia. So that's a place

1117
01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:26,199
to start. If you don't know who organized these things

1118
01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:30,520
and what was happening, you go look at them, and

1119
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,680
they're very open about it too. So this isn't like

1120
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,439
esoteric knowledge. The great thing about American political movements is

1121
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,439
they tell you exactly what, when, and where they are

1122
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:40,800
doing things.

1123
01:10:41,399 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 4: They're very proud of it. All right, plug anything.

1124
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: All right.

1125
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,560
Speaker 2: I wish you can find me on Twitter at Turnip

1126
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,079
Merchant or you know, I'm under my name there as well,

1127
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,000
sort of with the tag and the user name. I

1128
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,800
haven't been posting there nearly as much. I have a

1129
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:01,359
Telegram channel as well, which you can find. Our good

1130
01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:04,159
friend Charlemagne. He has a website called find my Friends

1131
01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:09,359
F I N D M Y. Yeah, okay, so link

1132
01:11:09,399 --> 01:11:12,119
will be there in the whatever description there is. I

1133
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:15,000
have a Telegram channel that you can find there. I'm

1134
01:11:15,039 --> 01:11:17,800
slightly more active there because I like Telegram more than Twitter.

1135
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:21,039
And then we also have my YouTube channel, which is

1136
01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:25,800
still monetized magically. I've talked about Southern segregation and Chinese

1137
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:31,680
revolutions and reconstruction, still monetized and going. That's under my

1138
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,159
name as well, Ryan Turnips. You can find it on YouTube.

1139
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,439
There's quite the back catalog now, so there's plenty of

1140
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,600
content there if you kind of like the discussions that

1141
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,880
we brought here today, except it's not just me talking

1142
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:45,520
about it, so you don't have to hear me waffle

1143
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,239
on forever. I usually bring on someone else who is

1144
01:11:48,279 --> 01:11:50,880
also knowledgeable in the subject to talk about whatever it is.

1145
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,760
So those are the places to find me. And I

1146
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:56,680
think that's all I've got to plug. And you know,

1147
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:00,079
by all means, everyone have a merry Christmas, since this

1148
01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:02,680
is probably the last public announcement I'll be giving on that,

1149
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:05,840
all right, and thank you for having me.

1150
01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:09,279
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Thank you so much. I want to

1151
01:12:09,279 --> 01:12:12,600
welcome everyone back to the Pete Canonas show. I want

1152
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:14,680
to welcome Greg Good to the show for the first time.

1153
01:12:15,079 --> 01:12:16,079
How you doing, Greg.

1154
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:17,279
Speaker 4: Hey, Great to be here.

1155
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,239
Speaker 1: Tell everybody a little bit about yourself. You first time.

1156
01:12:20,279 --> 01:12:21,720
I always try to let people do that.

1157
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,239
Speaker 4: Well. You might know me by several different names at

1158
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:28,560
this point, a real name, Kevin Diana, that's no secret.

1159
01:12:29,159 --> 01:12:31,920
I write under the name of James Kirkpatrick over at

1160
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,960
VDRE dot com, Twitter, VDRE James ka got the James

1161
01:12:36,039 --> 01:12:39,239
Polk avatar, and then at American Renaissance and other places

1162
01:12:39,279 --> 01:12:42,560
I've read under the name of Gregory Hood. I've been

1163
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,880
doing this for a while, and you know, the pen

1164
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,359
names have just sort of become brands associated with the

1165
01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:51,560
different sites. But you know, I'm not trying to hide

1166
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,760
anything or do anything like that. At this point, it's

1167
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:55,960
just that's how people know me, so I just haven't

1168
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,680
had any reason to change it. I started off, I

1169
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:02,359
did a group called Youthrun Civilization back when I was

1170
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:05,479
working at the Leadership Institute and immediately post college, and

1171
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,560
then I'm basically working in identitarian politics ever since, from

1172
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,920
the beginnings of what you could call the alt right

1173
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,560
to whatever the dissident right is today.

1174
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember, after nine hundred episodes how much

1175
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,520
I've actually talked about the Civil Rights Act. But what

1176
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:27,279
really sparked this was I was on vacation and I

1177
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,000
just go on to Twitter, because that's what attacts do,

1178
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,920
and I saw your tweet and this was I immediately

1179
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,079
typed under a tweet of the year candidate. So I'll

1180
01:13:38,119 --> 01:13:38,640
just read it.

1181
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:39,279
Speaker 4: At real quick.

1182
01:13:39,319 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 1: It says all of American life revolves around earning enough

1183
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,920
money to escape the consequences of the civil rights movement.

1184
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:51,079
It's one giant intelligence test of avoiding legal traps, escaping

1185
01:13:51,119 --> 01:13:55,039
compromise institutions, and lying through your teeth about what you

1186
01:13:55,119 --> 01:13:56,760
are actually doing.

1187
01:13:58,399 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 4: I mean, that may be a little harsh, but I

1188
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,039
think that's fair, and I think that those explain the

1189
01:14:03,039 --> 01:14:06,960
way most people live their lives today. What is American

1190
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:11,640
life except this desperate quest for status? And how best

1191
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,720
do you show status except by opting out of the

1192
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,520
rules that everybody else has to live under. I mean,

1193
01:14:19,159 --> 01:14:21,520
think of how many things that we take for granted

1194
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,359
are basically the result of the Civil Rights Act, which

1195
01:14:26,039 --> 01:14:28,359
at this point I think I can comfortably say has

1196
01:14:28,399 --> 01:14:31,640
replaced the American Revolution and even the Civil War as

1197
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,600
the center of what is now American identity, or perhaps

1198
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:39,159
post American identity. If you were to identify one figure

1199
01:14:39,399 --> 01:14:41,920
that is the most important in American history in terms

1200
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,479
of somebody that all political factions agree upon was a

1201
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:50,439
hero and who can be honored without controversy in any environment,

1202
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,279
it's probably Martin Luther King Jr. And Yet, if you

1203
01:14:53,319 --> 01:14:57,000
look at what the Civil Rights Revolution actually did in

1204
01:14:57,119 --> 01:15:01,800
terms of desegregation in the public school, in terms of

1205
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:06,119
making sure that both northern and southern cities were more

1206
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:10,479
racially integrated, in terms of setting up this regulatory apparatus

1207
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:14,399
that governs not just desegregation but also interpersonal conduct and

1208
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,199
businesses around the country, And of course the categories the

1209
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:20,800
protecting classes under the Civil Rights Act continue to expand,

1210
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,359
and we can get into that into a bit and

1211
01:15:24,399 --> 01:15:28,359
the way people live their lives in terms of where

1212
01:15:28,399 --> 01:15:30,319
they have to move, where they have to live, Just

1213
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:34,000
that the things that are really dominant in every single

1214
01:15:34,039 --> 01:15:36,800
person's existence upon this earth, like the reason you go

1215
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,359
to work, the reason you earn money, the reason you

1216
01:15:39,399 --> 01:15:41,279
do what you do. Why do you do these things

1217
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,680
because basically, you want to live far away from a

1218
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,279
crime ridden neighborhood. You want to send your kids to

1219
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:50,479
quote unquote good schools. You want to live in a

1220
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,600
place where you have a reasonable expectation of public safety

1221
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:57,039
and can build value in your house. Steve Sailor often

1222
01:15:57,159 --> 01:15:59,399
jokes that when they talk about equity, what they really

1223
01:15:59,399 --> 01:16:01,279
mean is going out for the equity in your house,

1224
01:16:01,359 --> 01:16:05,359
because that's how most Americans build wealth, and we all

1225
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,760
I wasn't trying to be flippant or KOI by saying this.

1226
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,800
I mean this quite literally. This is what you will

1227
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,279
spend the bulk of your life upon this earth doing.

1228
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,720
Is trying to build wealth and ensure the safety of

1229
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,880
your family, and ensure some sort of path of prosperity

1230
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:26,920
where you don't actually have to deal with what the

1231
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:31,039
Civil Rights Act at did, which was forcing you to

1232
01:16:31,319 --> 01:16:34,199
associate with people that most people in America do not

1233
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:37,760
want to associate with. And they may call themselves liberal, conservative,

1234
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:41,079
they may vote for this candidate or that candidate, and

1235
01:16:41,119 --> 01:16:43,600
they may have certain opinions about the Civil Rights revolution,

1236
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,239
but in terms of real preference, in terms of how

1237
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:49,279
they actually live, it seems that everybody, at least most

1238
01:16:49,319 --> 01:16:51,159
white people are pretty much on the same page.

1239
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:57,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that includes the liberal That includes because especially

1240
01:16:57,159 --> 01:16:57,720
the liberals.

1241
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we both know.

1242
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: Ze Man and I remember him one time he had

1243
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,880
written and it was it was what it was that time.

1244
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 4: I was waking up and my mind.

1245
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 1: Was turning away from you know, libertarianism, live and let live,

1246
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,079
and starting to see the world. The scales were falling

1247
01:17:17,079 --> 01:17:19,319
from the eye, from my eyes. And he said, he

1248
01:17:19,359 --> 01:17:23,119
goes where I live, He goes, I live around more

1249
01:17:23,159 --> 01:17:24,960
black people than.

1250
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 4: The average progressive.

1251
01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the average progressive doesn't live around black people.

1252
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,439
And if they, if they work in academia, they don't

1253
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,439
work around black people. No.

1254
01:17:37,359 --> 01:17:40,520
Speaker 4: And if you do work among black people, especially if

1255
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,640
you're in a higher income I mean, the type of

1256
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,640
minorities that you work among tend to be pretty carefully

1257
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:52,760
selected culturally, they're of a certain type and a lot

1258
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,239
of the but that doesn't mean that you necessarily hang

1259
01:17:55,279 --> 01:17:57,840
out with them, or that doesn't mean you necessarily live

1260
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,520
with them. And I think one of the big indicators

1261
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,720
of something really going on was back in twenty sixteen

1262
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,119
when they had a number of polls talking this is

1263
01:18:07,159 --> 01:18:10,319
just in the Republican primary, and there was a very

1264
01:18:10,359 --> 01:18:14,920
significant correlation between the people who lived among diversity and

1265
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,239
Trump voters and those who tended not to live among

1266
01:18:18,319 --> 01:18:21,000
diversity and Ted Cruz voters. This was at the point

1267
01:18:21,039 --> 01:18:24,279
when it was basically Trump or Cruise. And if you

1268
01:18:24,359 --> 01:18:27,840
look at moderate Republicans, I mean you immediately go to

1269
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,640
Republicans and places like Utah, they tend to be Republicans

1270
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:37,000
from almost monolithically white areas, very socially conservative, but socially

1271
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,920
conservative in the kind of way that's particularly non combative.

1272
01:18:40,359 --> 01:18:43,880
They can sort of take for granted a high trust society,

1273
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,359
a high public safety society. They don't really have to

1274
01:18:46,399 --> 01:18:49,680
confront these kinds of difficult issues, whereas when you get

1275
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,720
these kind of more aggressive political strategies. I think it's

1276
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,199
the product of diversity. And of course there's a host

1277
01:18:56,239 --> 01:19:01,359
of intellectuals and writers who have very reluctantly, sometimes and

1278
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,880
much against their own wishes, have published some stuff saying

1279
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:09,279
that diversity tends to destroy social trust and it leads

1280
01:19:09,359 --> 01:19:12,880
us to a more destructive and a more combative society. Obviously,

1281
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:16,960
the most famous is Robert Putnam, the author of Bowling Alone,

1282
01:19:17,079 --> 01:19:20,520
who published some research showing that diversity destroys social trust

1283
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,119
not just between groups, but within groups. And what I

1284
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:27,239
find especially amusing, I believe it was Brian Kaplan who

1285
01:19:27,319 --> 01:19:31,920
has actually praised immigration on the grounds precisely because it

1286
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:35,680
undermines social trust, and so it undermines support for welfare

1287
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:39,199
states and the kinds of social programs that Europeans have

1288
01:19:39,239 --> 01:19:42,960
taken for granted. What's interesting is as racial diversity increases

1289
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,520
in Europe, I think you're seeing those welfare programs and

1290
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,960
a lot of the state programs that used to be

1291
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,199
the bedrock of their societies, you're seeing Europeans question those

1292
01:19:51,239 --> 01:19:55,279
because they don't work the same way anymore. No.

1293
01:19:55,279 --> 01:19:59,560
Speaker 1: No, And you know, if you remember, famously, up until

1294
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:04,000
a certain point, Bernie Sanders was very much against immigration.

1295
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, Cooke brother spot as they called it, and it

1296
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,159
is a Koch Brothers plot. I mean if the people

1297
01:20:10,199 --> 01:20:15,560
who frighten me in the political battle, the people who

1298
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:17,960
the enemy is, who keep me up at night, who

1299
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,159
make me really think hard about how we're going to

1300
01:20:21,239 --> 01:20:23,640
get out of this mess. It's not the leftist, it's

1301
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,960
not the antifot, it's not the watchdog groups. I mean,

1302
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,880
they are what they are, right. I mean, you know

1303
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:29,760
what you're dealing with with them, and we can get

1304
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,880
into where their power really comes from. But the people

1305
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,880
who are really difficult to overcome are the big business lobbies,

1306
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,119
the chief labor lobbies, the people who when Conservatives win

1307
01:20:39,159 --> 01:20:42,920
elections as the Tories have in the United Kingdom and

1308
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:47,399
immigration has skyrocket at even post breaksit, how do you

1309
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:52,640
overcome that? Because it's one thing to overcome your political opponents,

1310
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,760
is quite another to overcome the people who are supposedly

1311
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,239
on your side, particularly when they have a lot more

1312
01:20:58,279 --> 01:21:01,279
money and resources than you do. And this is one

1313
01:21:01,319 --> 01:21:03,159
of the big things we have to think about in

1314
01:21:03,279 --> 01:21:05,439
terms of the Civil Rights Act and in terms of

1315
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,239
the regulatory structure that we live under today, which is

1316
01:21:08,279 --> 01:21:13,520
that it provides certain advantages for those who already command

1317
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,159
certain markets. I mean, if you're a big business the

1318
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:18,439
fact is you can comply a lot more easily with

1319
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:21,600
a lot of these regulations than smaller businesses. If you're

1320
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,840
a company like Amazon, you benefit from a lot of

1321
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,239
the social changes that have taken place in this country

1322
01:21:27,279 --> 01:21:30,079
even since twenty twenty. You benefit from that a lot

1323
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:32,479
more than does a small business is trying to operate

1324
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:36,640
on a San Francisco or Oakland street, right.

1325
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean Amazon and the Koch brothers who have a huge,

1326
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:48,239
huge presence here as far as their food division in Alabama,

1327
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:55,600
they can afford to get around anything the mistakes that

1328
01:21:55,600 --> 01:22:00,159
they make if they hire illegals. They can afford to

1329
01:22:00,359 --> 01:22:04,439
if But like you said, the small business, you know

1330
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,520
that's setting up shop in a small town here or

1331
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,399
even in San Francisco, who's just a startup and doesn't

1332
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:16,279
have that the insane VC money that a lot of

1333
01:22:16,319 --> 01:22:20,279
businesses have. They can't compete and they there there is

1334
01:22:20,319 --> 01:22:27,119
no That's what when I really started to understand how immigration,

1335
01:22:28,079 --> 01:22:33,880
pretty much more than anything, would disrupt what you know,

1336
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:37,000
some would want to call the free market, is when

1337
01:22:37,119 --> 01:22:39,479
I was not only did I have to take a

1338
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,960
stand against immigration, but I had to look at a

1339
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,520
free market and say, is it even possible ever?

1340
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 4: Right. I mean, there's two things that we need to

1341
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,680
There's two thinkers that I think we should consider when

1342
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,079
we get into the Civil Rights Act. And also the

1343
01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:57,520
nature of free marketing capitalism today, if we can even

1344
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:01,800
call it that. Obviously there's a very lengthy, perhaps tedious

1345
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,479
debate about is it really capitalism? Is this really the

1346
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,720
free market? I mean, we can argue back and forth

1347
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:10,479
on that, But the fact is, if people ask why

1348
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:13,960
are things working this way? Why is it that all

1349
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,079
the businesses are putting up the pride flags and the

1350
01:23:16,079 --> 01:23:18,880
intersectional flags. Why is it that they're falling all over

1351
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,199
each other with these transgender and the pronouns and everything else.

1352
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:26,159
Why is it that LGBT is no longer LGBT. It's

1353
01:23:26,239 --> 01:23:28,279
now I can't even say what it is. It's got

1354
01:23:28,319 --> 01:23:30,279
like ten letters and numbers and I think a plus

1355
01:23:30,359 --> 01:23:32,439
sign for some reason. I mean, nobody even knows what

1356
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:34,960
these things are anymore. But why is it multiplying in

1357
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,000
this way? The very simple answer is because the government

1358
01:23:38,039 --> 01:23:40,800
says so. And the reason the government says so is

1359
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,039
the Civil Rights Act. I think the book that has

1360
01:23:43,119 --> 01:23:46,720
really made a major impact on the American right and

1361
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,319
has led to I think some of the more mature

1362
01:23:51,399 --> 01:23:53,600
understanding of politics that I would have been praying for

1363
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,560
in the American Right ten years ago was age of Entitlement.

1364
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:02,079
And in that book, Can't Well argues that the Civil

1365
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:09,159
Rights Act Chris who Calwell, I'm sorry, yeah, right. Chris

1366
01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:16,399
Calwell basically argues that the Civil Rights Act essentially absorbed

1367
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:21,079
the American Constitution, that a lot of the protections for business,

1368
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:24,520
for states, for what the government can and cannot allow

1369
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:28,239
you to do, were essentially taken away. And at the time,

1370
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,439
Barry Goldwater, who was of course the man who began

1371
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,560
the conservative movement more than anybody else, he was not

1372
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,479
a segregationist, and he obviously opposed segregation in the armed

1373
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:42,560
forces and in public institutions, but he opposed the Civil

1374
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:44,760
Rights Act. Now, a lot of people will say, oh, well,

1375
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,439
this is just being racist, or this is like what

1376
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,199
you could get away with, or something like that. But

1377
01:24:49,239 --> 01:24:52,920
there's a very big distinction between, or at least there

1378
01:24:52,960 --> 01:25:01,039
should be, between opposing state mandated segregation and supporting the

1379
01:25:01,159 --> 01:25:03,600
right of the government to force you to associate with

1380
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,840
people you don't want to associate with. More importantly, it's

1381
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:10,880
not just a question of well, people are allowed to

1382
01:25:11,039 --> 01:25:15,039
use whatever business you want. It's a question of we're

1383
01:25:15,079 --> 01:25:17,600
going to set up this whole regulatory structure to make

1384
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:21,000
sure that businesses treat people in a different way, and

1385
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,760
if members from certain groups, their complaints are going to

1386
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:29,560
be treated differently from everybody else's. So as this expands,

1387
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:31,760
as the number of protected classes and this is a

1388
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,680
legal thing, a protected class, as the number of these

1389
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:38,840
classes expand, you essentially have this kind of woke aristocracy

1390
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,920
developing where people who are members of certain groups just

1391
01:25:43,039 --> 01:25:46,359
have more rights and more privileges than do normal Americans.

1392
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,960
And so we hear all the time this rhetoric about

1393
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,520
a white supremacist society. But when you actually break down,

1394
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,079
like what life in America is, you will go to

1395
01:25:55,159 --> 01:25:58,520
a business, you will see these pride flags or progress

1396
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,359
flags or whatever else, which if you're a Christian, I mean,

1397
01:26:01,359 --> 01:26:03,439
this is a direct insult to your beliefs. But you

1398
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:06,039
have to go along with that, Like there's no one's

1399
01:26:06,039 --> 01:26:07,600
going to listen to you if you say this is

1400
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,000
a hostile working environment, of this offends you, you're just

1401
01:26:10,039 --> 01:26:13,359
not part of the club. But if you use the

1402
01:26:13,399 --> 01:26:18,800
wrong pronoun, if you say something even unintentionally racists that

1403
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,399
people take offense to, and of course they don't even

1404
01:26:21,399 --> 01:26:23,560
need to really take offense. They just need to convince

1405
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,920
a jury or a judge that they took offense. That's

1406
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:27,680
the end of you. That's the end of the business.

1407
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,880
We now live under a society where just about every

1408
01:26:32,279 --> 01:26:36,880
personal interaction is a potential federal case. That is a

1409
01:26:37,079 --> 01:26:40,119
level of government intervention far beyond King George the Third

1410
01:26:40,199 --> 01:26:43,439
could have ever dreamed of. It really raises the question

1411
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,840
of what is the nature of a free society if

1412
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:51,279
we're in a situation where everything we do can potentially

1413
01:26:51,279 --> 01:26:53,720
be supervised by bureaucrats and judges and you can be

1414
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,840
penalized if you didn't act the right way. And a

1415
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,960
lot of people are saying, well, these businesses need to

1416
01:27:00,079 --> 01:27:02,600
push back against this. We just need to be courageous.

1417
01:27:03,039 --> 01:27:04,800
We just need to make sure people don't go along

1418
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:07,239
with this politically correct silliness. But I think what people

1419
01:27:07,239 --> 01:27:11,319
are forgetting is that there is an iron fist contained

1420
01:27:11,319 --> 01:27:15,319
within the velvet glove. Here. People are going to align

1421
01:27:15,399 --> 01:27:17,760
themselves with power because if they don't do that, they're

1422
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,439
not going to be allowed to operate. And it's very

1423
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:24,279
easy to take shots at corporate heads or ordinary people

1424
01:27:24,319 --> 01:27:26,920
who can find themselves caught in these politically correct controversies.

1425
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:28,720
But let's face it, and I mean I'll put it

1426
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,439
to you too. I mean, maybe there's some self examination here.

1427
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,399
Every single one of us, at some point or another

1428
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,600
has bowed their head to go along, to get along,

1429
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,479
whether that's writing under a pen name, whether that's keeping

1430
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,520
our mouth shut in a certain circumstance, whether that's keeping

1431
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,479
our opinions to ourselves because you don't want to start

1432
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:49,479
some giant thing. We're all guilty. We're all cowards in

1433
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,640
that sense. But the reason we act that way is

1434
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,359
not because people are just inherently cowards. It's because the

1435
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:59,159
government and big capital have lined up against them. And

1436
01:27:59,319 --> 01:28:01,800
until that chain, I think we're expecting too much from

1437
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:03,680
Americans to really fight back against this.

1438
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:07,079
Speaker 1: I don't even think it's just that. I think it's

1439
01:28:07,159 --> 01:28:10,479
the people themselves. I mean, you know, your typical boomer

1440
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,920
con will argue with you that you know, we have

1441
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:18,319
free speech in this country, and then you'll go to

1442
01:28:18,359 --> 01:28:23,079
exercise your free speech, and they'll repeat to you progressive

1443
01:28:23,159 --> 01:28:26,399
talking points like well, you have freedom to speak, but

1444
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:30,840
you don't have there's no freedom from consequences of your speech,

1445
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:37,359
and they defend the Civil Rights Act and these institutions

1446
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,119
that will come down on you for saying, look, I

1447
01:28:40,199 --> 01:28:42,039
just don't want to live and I'm not going to

1448
01:28:42,079 --> 01:28:45,399
move to that town because of the demographics.

1449
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 4: Right, And this is one of the questions we really

1450
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:53,479
have to get into. Do people even have their own opinions?

1451
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:55,960
Do people even really have their own identity at this point?

1452
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,479
Because one of the things, and this is sort of

1453
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:01,680
the predominant theme of my work over the last couple

1454
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,960
of years, and certainly the main theme of the book

1455
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:07,520
I'm writing right now, is if you look at what

1456
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,880
happened in this country since twenty sixteen, I think there

1457
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:13,520
was a consensus by journalists and by those in power,

1458
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,760
including in the so called intelligence community, that they can

1459
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:20,920
never let twenty sixteen happen again. That if people get

1460
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:24,760
a more or less free flow of information, that quote

1461
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:28,279
unquote misinformation is going to proliferarate. We need to stop this.

1462
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:30,600
We need to make sure that only approved information is

1463
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:34,720
getting before people. And that has justified a pretty staggering

1464
01:29:35,119 --> 01:29:38,960
breadth of censorship and top down control that I didn't

1465
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:42,079
think Americans would ever put up with in twenty fifteen,

1466
01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:44,319
I certainly would have thought that there would have been

1467
01:29:44,359 --> 01:29:47,000
some pushback against what we see now and what we

1468
01:29:47,079 --> 01:29:50,119
kind of take for granted. Now, let's not forget back in.

1469
01:29:51,319 --> 01:29:52,880
I think it was a couple of years before twenty

1470
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,760
sixteen there was a book on Amazon really repugnant. I'm

1471
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,600
not even going to get into the subject matter, but

1472
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,520
you use your imagination, and it was teaching people to

1473
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:04,079
get away with some of the worst crimes imaginable. And

1474
01:30:04,119 --> 01:30:07,119
some people obviously said, you know, ba, this book, don't

1475
01:30:07,119 --> 01:30:11,000
sell it, and Amazon said, no, we are going to

1476
01:30:11,119 --> 01:30:13,199
err on the side of free speech. We are not

1477
01:30:13,279 --> 01:30:15,520
going to censor ourselves because if we do that, we're

1478
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,239
going to start doing it for everything else. Well, eventually

1479
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:20,479
they back down. Now, of course, we just take for

1480
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,560
granted that there are certain books, fairly moderate books too,

1481
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,119
like Jared Taylor's White Identity, that you just can't get

1482
01:30:26,359 --> 01:30:29,159
on Amazon. We just take for granted that certain people

1483
01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:31,359
will not be allowed on YouTube, that certain people will

1484
01:30:31,359 --> 01:30:34,119
not be allowed on Twitter, even under Elon Musk. And

1485
01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:37,319
yet in the same breath we will still hear leftists

1486
01:30:37,399 --> 01:30:40,239
talking about how brave they are for reading quote unquote

1487
01:30:40,279 --> 01:30:44,600
banned books because Ron Desantas doesn't want some book about

1488
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,479
homosexuality in a kindergarten or something like that. You will

1489
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,439
still see people beating their chest and talking about the

1490
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:55,039
need for equality, even though their entire career may depend

1491
01:30:55,159 --> 01:30:59,079
on manipulating regulations and discriminating against white guys. You will

1492
01:30:59,119 --> 01:31:03,159
still see Chris pastors talking about how you know, as

1493
01:31:03,199 --> 01:31:05,239
a Christian, you ever noticed that the term as a

1494
01:31:05,279 --> 01:31:09,520
Christian what follows is always something against traditional Christianity. Nobody

1495
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,720
ever says, like, as a Christian, I'm disgusted with this

1496
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:15,199
immorality in our society. You'll still see these churches go

1497
01:31:15,279 --> 01:31:17,640
along with this stuff, and we all just kind of

1498
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,199
shrug and say, well, you know, America is still like

1499
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:24,359
a Christian nation and a Christian society. I don't think

1500
01:31:24,399 --> 01:31:29,680
there's been a better system of control devised than those

1501
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:33,319
with power, and those with more power than I think

1502
01:31:33,399 --> 01:31:37,279
any dictator could have ever dreamed of, constantly telling you

1503
01:31:37,359 --> 01:31:40,000
that they're actually the ones who are victims, constantly telling

1504
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:41,960
you that they are the ones who are oppressed, even

1505
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,760
as they put the heel debt down on your neck,

1506
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:48,319
and people go along with it. I mean, one of

1507
01:31:48,359 --> 01:31:51,520
the more depressing things is if you remember, like the

1508
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:55,680
old days of George W. Bush Conservatism and the birth

1509
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:57,239
of the Rom Paul movement, there was this kind of

1510
01:31:57,239 --> 01:32:01,000
libertarian meme going around where you saw the the stormtroopers,

1511
01:32:01,119 --> 01:32:03,920
you know, like Star Wars stormtroopers, and it said they

1512
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:06,479
were lined up and it said something like fascism. Do

1513
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:08,880
you really think it's going to be this obvious? But

1514
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:12,880
the answer is basically, well yeah. I mean I think

1515
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:16,920
people now just grad understand or take for granted that

1516
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,960
when they think of the word tyranny, if it's not

1517
01:32:21,079 --> 01:32:24,279
being done by like white guys in uniforms who build

1518
01:32:24,319 --> 01:32:29,000
cool buildings, it's not actually tyranny. You'll read stories about,

1519
01:32:29,239 --> 01:32:32,039
for example, the state of Washington now can take away

1520
01:32:32,039 --> 01:32:34,720
your kids if you don't go along with transing them

1521
01:32:35,079 --> 01:32:37,640
at a certain age. I mean, that's an abuse of

1522
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:41,760
government power that's just staggering in its ramifications. But normal people,

1523
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,680
ordinary people, including many conservatives, will just go along with

1524
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:48,439
it and say, well, yeah, that's a matter of individual choice.

1525
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,560
I mean, I think we've the Civil Rights Act has

1526
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,880
really changed our psyche in a way because it's convinced

1527
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:59,279
us that even the most unlimited government power is justified

1528
01:32:59,319 --> 01:33:02,000
as long as it's done in the name of equality

1529
01:33:02,119 --> 01:33:05,560
or diversity, even if these are just words. Certainly there

1530
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:07,520
can be no greater example of double think than the

1531
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:12,439
fact that usually it's the Department of Equal Treatment or

1532
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:16,720
Equal Opportunity which presides over affirmative action and state mandated

1533
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:18,479
discrimination against Whites and Asians.

1534
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 1: It's incredible to me how people don't see it, and

1535
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:30,640
they don't see basically how indoctrinated they are. I had

1536
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:32,399
somebody point out to me the other day that there

1537
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:36,800
was just another libertarian podcast that I'm not going to

1538
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:40,520
give any I'm not going to give them any promotion

1539
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:44,800
because that's what they want. And they basically they said

1540
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:50,000
that anything that I'm promoting these days is just basically

1541
01:33:50,039 --> 01:33:54,439
based in racism. And I looked at these two guys

1542
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:57,399
because I know who they are. They're two brothers who

1543
01:33:57,439 --> 01:34:01,880
grew up in New Hampshire. I mean New Hampshire. Is

1544
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:08,119
you want to talk about homogeneous society, a white Anglo society.

1545
01:34:08,119 --> 01:34:10,520
It's like my friend dark Enlightenment said, he said, you

1546
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:13,439
don't even have like some Slavs or Mediterraneans in there

1547
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:19,920
to throw some low time preference in and these guys

1548
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,079
are just like, oh, this is it's all about racism,

1549
01:34:23,079 --> 01:34:26,159
It's all about And I'm like, where did you grow

1550
01:34:27,039 --> 01:34:28,560
Did you miss where you grew up?

1551
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 4: You grew up in one of.

1552
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:35,560
Speaker 1: The least violent states in the nation, probably in the world,

1553
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:37,960
and why do you think it was?

1554
01:34:39,279 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's something. I think, the thing that we

1555
01:34:46,039 --> 01:34:49,640
really have a hard time even conceptualizing. I mean, it's

1556
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:53,359
sort of like that. And I meant to say Slovs.

1557
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 1: I meant to say Slavs and Mediterraneans to throw some

1558
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:56,920
high time preference in there.

1559
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 4: My last name is in a valve, so I can certainly

1560
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:03,119
part of the fact that we, yeah, we know how

1561
01:35:03,119 --> 01:35:05,399
we are with time preference and waving our arms around

1562
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:09,319
and getting excited for no reason. But the thing that

1563
01:35:09,359 --> 01:35:11,359
we really had sort of like how a fish doesn't

1564
01:35:11,399 --> 01:35:13,720
understand water because he's constantly surrounded by it. I think

1565
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:18,000
we've sort of accepted our own subjugation. We sort of

1566
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:21,600
take for granted. And one of the big problems that

1567
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:25,920
we have is that it's seen as a sign of strength,

1568
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,159
and throughout all of human history it basically was a

1569
01:35:28,199 --> 01:35:31,560
sign of strength, where if you have problems, you shut

1570
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,600
up and deal with it. Right. You don't go crying

1571
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:35,840
to the government or to somebody else to help you out.

1572
01:35:36,119 --> 01:35:40,039
You solve the problem. If there's somebody threatening your family,

1573
01:35:40,279 --> 01:35:43,720
you protect your family. If your job fires you, you

1574
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:48,600
get another job. But if somebody says something that makes

1575
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,239
you feel bad, you put up with it, or you

1576
01:35:51,279 --> 01:35:53,319
ignore it, or you know, if they called you fat

1577
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:55,399
or something, you lose weight. You do what you got

1578
01:35:55,399 --> 01:35:57,800
to do. You overcome. But we're in a system now

1579
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:02,560
where the less capable you are, the weaker you are,

1580
01:36:03,039 --> 01:36:06,439
or to be really cynical about it, the more capable

1581
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:10,520
you are at pretending that you're offended, the more power

1582
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:13,439
and resources you get. And I think this may have

1583
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:17,239
been justified at a certain level because we feel bad

1584
01:36:17,279 --> 01:36:19,119
for the underdog. I mean, if you look at like

1585
01:36:19,159 --> 01:36:23,840
a transgender, you look at somebody who maybe is from

1586
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:25,880
a certain group, and you say, well, you know, they

1587
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:28,039
got a heart shake or maybe there's something wrong with

1588
01:36:28,079 --> 01:36:30,199
their head, so we can afford to be nice to them,

1589
01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:32,640
and we'll give them some stuff just to kind of

1590
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:36,800
feel bad, almost like charity. But at this point it's

1591
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:40,960
become so predominant, and it's become the driving force behind

1592
01:36:41,199 --> 01:36:44,720
just about every single institution in our society, to the

1593
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:48,000
point where you can't do anything without getting a lecture

1594
01:36:48,039 --> 01:36:51,279
about politics. And you have to ask yourself, when does

1595
01:36:51,319 --> 01:36:54,439
this cease being a marginal force, and when do we

1596
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:56,640
start talking about it for what it is, which is

1597
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:00,960
really the predominant state religion of the most powerful empire

1598
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:04,800
that has ever existed. It's very strange, and again you

1599
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:06,800
don't think about it, but if you actually take a

1600
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:10,720
step back and say, this intersectional flag, for example, with

1601
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,000
the triangles and all the other stripes and everything else,

1602
01:37:13,239 --> 01:37:15,640
this was something that didn't even exist a couple of

1603
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:20,479
years ago. Now as we speak, American embassies are raising

1604
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:25,640
this in countries around the world, even in countries, especially

1605
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:29,560
in countries where it's guaranteed to offend the populations there

1606
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:32,640
that supposedly we're trying to maintain good diplomatic relations with.

1607
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:37,439
How do we account for this overwhelming public acceptance of

1608
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:40,239
something that wasn't even a thing a couple of years ago.

1609
01:37:40,359 --> 01:37:42,640
How do we account for the power of the state

1610
01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:48,600
being put behind this idea? And although this may sound simplistic,

1611
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,760
I think it's just because power tends to expand until

1612
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:54,520
it is checked and with the Civil Rights Act, you

1613
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:59,319
created a permanent constituency of social managers who gained power

1614
01:37:59,359 --> 01:38:03,920
and prestige manipulating social relations. And if everybody in society

1615
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:07,119
takes for granted that the highest moral good is equality,

1616
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,399
you're always going to have a reason to find examples

1617
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:13,600
of inequality, and you're always going to have reasons to

1618
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:17,399
give people money and power to solve that problem. And

1619
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,159
it won't just spread within the United States, It's going

1620
01:38:20,199 --> 01:38:22,800
to spread internationally. If you want to be really cynical

1621
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:24,640
about it. I don't know if this is planned or

1622
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:27,000
I think more likely is just the way things developed.

1623
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:30,479
If you're trying to have a population that's easy to control,

1624
01:38:31,399 --> 01:38:39,199
a population of permanent dependence, utterly crying out for more

1625
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,279
management and resources get taken from people they don't like

1626
01:38:43,359 --> 01:38:45,520
and given to them by government bureaucrats. I mean, that's

1627
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:50,359
pretty much ideal for a modern democracy. And I hate

1628
01:38:50,399 --> 01:38:51,920
to be crude about it, but if you look at

1629
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:56,239
this trance stuff, I mean, what is a more perfect

1630
01:38:56,239 --> 01:39:00,319
example of an utter dependent than a literal unuch. Yeah,

1631
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:01,439
somebody who is.

1632
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 1: Wholly dependent for the rest of their life upon companies,

1633
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:14,760
corporations that have basically merged with the government, like pharma.

1634
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:20,479
I was looking at a chart from twenty twenty one, No,

1635
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:23,600
it was from last year, and it was talking about

1636
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:28,039
the ten biggest ten companies to get the most from

1637
01:39:28,039 --> 01:39:35,800
the military industrial complex. Four of them were pharmaceutical companies. Yeah,

1638
01:39:36,039 --> 01:39:40,600
four in the top ten, four were pharmaceutical companies. And

1639
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:42,960
you have to ask yours. You have to ask yourself

1640
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:43,720
how and why?

1641
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:50,039
Speaker 4: And I guess the big question. And this is something

1642
01:39:50,079 --> 01:39:53,239
that I think about a lot, and I think it's

1643
01:39:53,239 --> 01:39:55,720
hard to determine because you know, as Jeria Taylor's always

1644
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:58,159
telling me, it's he doesn't like the idea of mind reading.

1645
01:39:58,199 --> 01:40:01,239
It's always tough to determine motivation, especially when you're in

1646
01:40:01,279 --> 01:40:04,720
a society where people are rewarded for essentially making things up.

1647
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:06,760
I mean that's one of the problems with Civil Rights Act,

1648
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:09,840
or sexual harassment laws, or a lot of these ideas

1649
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:13,399
of a hostile working environment. It's all completely subjective. So

1650
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:16,720
I mean, once you get into the territory of subjective law,

1651
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:20,760
I would basically argue that's tyranny by definition. When you

1652
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:24,800
look at these companies who talk about quote unquote our values,

1653
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:26,720
is if they have a value other than making money.

1654
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,079
If you look at these pharmaceutical companies, say who may

1655
01:40:29,079 --> 01:40:32,800
have a stake in vaccine mandates or transgenderism because they

1656
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:35,319
stand the benefit from pushing these treatments or everything else.

1657
01:40:36,279 --> 01:40:38,640
Is it really so cynical as we are going to

1658
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:43,239
put money behind these things, created dependent consumer base that

1659
01:40:43,279 --> 01:40:45,960
will then buy our products forever. Do they really think

1660
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:49,720
that far ahead? Or do they simply adapt to social

1661
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:53,279
movements that other people are pushing forward. I'm not sure.

1662
01:40:53,359 --> 01:40:55,359
I mean, I think that's a psychological thing. I think

1663
01:40:55,399 --> 01:40:59,720
probably both, but certainly with the way they act now

1664
01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:02,800
just defending their institutional interests, and I think we should

1665
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:05,319
be very suspicious of any kind of public morality that

1666
01:41:05,399 --> 01:41:08,479
tells us. You know, even when people say like, oh,

1667
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:11,359
they're virtue signaling, Well, it's not really virtue signaling if

1668
01:41:11,399 --> 01:41:14,960
you're just acting in your economic self interest. I mean,

1669
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:18,560
actual virtue signaling would be doing something that's a sacrifice.

1670
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:21,439
But none of these companies that are fastuning these symbols

1671
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:24,039
anyway are doing anything other than what you would expect

1672
01:41:24,039 --> 01:41:29,359
them to do. Yeah, And the thing about.

1673
01:41:31,159 --> 01:41:34,039
Speaker 1: The reason I wanted to talk to you was to

1674
01:41:34,079 --> 01:41:36,840
talk about the Civil Rights Act, and you know basically

1675
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:43,000
how it's become the constitution. But what better group If

1676
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:45,439
that is your constitution, the more people you want you

1677
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:48,079
can add to it, the better. And if you have

1678
01:41:49,119 --> 01:41:52,439
trans people who you know, who are and I mean,

1679
01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:56,800
I hate to be crude, but they're basically having to

1680
01:41:57,079 --> 01:42:00,079
force open a wound for the rest of their life

1681
01:42:00,359 --> 01:42:04,000
if they're you know, male to female.

1682
01:42:04,399 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean youre's you're I think we've all seen

1683
01:42:08,119 --> 01:42:12,000
the uh web form posts that occasionally get posted on

1684
01:42:12,039 --> 01:42:13,960
Twitter or something like that. When you actually see what

1685
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:19,399
the reality of this thing is, and it's it's gruesome

1686
01:42:20,199 --> 01:42:25,600
to the point that if people are voluntarily choosing to

1687
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:29,319
do this, that doesn't convince me that we need to

1688
01:42:29,359 --> 01:42:32,800
honor individual choice. It makes me question the very idea

1689
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:36,479
of choice altogether. I think one of the problems since

1690
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:39,760
twenty sixteen is journalists have acted in such a way

1691
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:44,520
where they assume people are too stupid to understand things,

1692
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:46,439
so we have to censor the media to make sure

1693
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:50,000
people vote the right way. And in a democratic society

1694
01:42:50,039 --> 01:42:52,640
that's pretty ominous, because what you're saying is that people

1695
01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:55,119
are too dumb to make up their own minds, in

1696
01:42:55,119 --> 01:42:57,079
which case, why are we giving them the right to vote.

1697
01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:00,800
But I think the scarier possibility what if they're right.

1698
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:05,680
And the trans thing has sort of made me think

1699
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:08,000
about this because you look at these people who are

1700
01:43:08,279 --> 01:43:13,960
very clearly products of broken online subcultures, who are doing

1701
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:19,840
these things out of a certain sense of attention, self gratification,

1702
01:43:20,119 --> 01:43:22,159
and also, I think just sort of a yearning for

1703
01:43:22,319 --> 01:43:25,039
human connection that they're not getting in a broken society,

1704
01:43:26,119 --> 01:43:29,479
and they take these destructive choices, and then the rest

1705
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:32,560
of society demands that we affirm these things. To me,

1706
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:34,720
this is sort of a reducto ad absurdum that the

1707
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:38,039
entire social order has gone wildly in the wrong direction

1708
01:43:38,279 --> 01:43:43,560
and probably needs to be overturned completely. The real question becomes,

1709
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:45,800
how do you reverse it? When the Civil Rights Act

1710
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:47,600
now not in every state, but a lot of these

1711
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:53,199
states have guarded these groups as protected classes. So you

1712
01:43:53,279 --> 01:43:55,720
can say, oh, well, we just shouldn't go along with it.

1713
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:57,880
It's like, okay, but you can say that, but you're

1714
01:43:57,880 --> 01:43:59,800
going to lose your business if you try to actually

1715
01:44:00,159 --> 01:44:02,800
on these things. You can say whatever you want under

1716
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,439
an anonymous Twitter handle, but if you go into your

1717
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:07,840
business and use the wrong pronoun that could be the

1718
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:10,399
end of your career then and there. And the reason

1719
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:12,479
for that is not the free market, it's not the

1720
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:15,159
liberal media. It's the government. And at the end of

1721
01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:17,239
the day, it's the Civil Rights Act and I sixty four.

1722
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you see people who there's an industry built up

1723
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:28,600
around trying to explain this, trying to explain why it happened,

1724
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:33,399
the James Lindsay's of the world famously, and you know,

1725
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:38,159
their answer to it is basically more of it. There's

1726
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:44,000
more liberty to to fight against. This to do is

1727
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:47,920
if we if we just do classical liberalism right this

1728
01:44:48,039 --> 01:44:52,479
one time, you know, we'll be able to push past us.

1729
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:55,159
Speaker 4: Well, let's let's take that for granted for a second.

1730
01:44:55,199 --> 01:44:57,560
Let's let's take them at their word. I mean, if

1731
01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:00,640
we say, I mean, let's take you know, Caldwells thesis.

1732
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:03,199
I mean, what he's writing about in Age of Entitlement

1733
01:45:03,279 --> 01:45:07,600
is that the Civil Rights Act dramatically changed the relationship

1734
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:10,760
between the people and the government, and certainly the relationship

1735
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:13,279
of the constitutional order to the people. If we talk

1736
01:45:13,319 --> 01:45:16,439
about classical liberalism, if we take as a premise that

1737
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:19,119
people have the right to make their own value judgments,

1738
01:45:19,399 --> 01:45:22,000
that people have the right to define their own identity,

1739
01:45:22,039 --> 01:45:24,039
to associate with the people they want to associate with,

1740
01:45:24,079 --> 01:45:26,960
to say what they want to say. At the end

1741
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:30,119
of the day, that has to mean being able to

1742
01:45:30,119 --> 01:45:32,960
do with your own property what you want. That has

1743
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:36,159
to mean freedom of association. That has to mean that

1744
01:45:36,239 --> 01:45:39,720
you actually do have the right for your speech to

1745
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:42,079
have consequences in the real world, not just sort of

1746
01:45:42,119 --> 01:45:46,000
this abstraction that you convent about on Twitter. So, if

1747
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,479
you really believe in classical liberalism, and I would say

1748
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:51,680
somebody like Barry Goldwor was championing this when he opposed

1749
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:54,399
the Civil Rights Act, you really need to oppose the

1750
01:45:54,399 --> 01:45:56,760
Civil Rights Act in nineteen sixty four. You actually have

1751
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:59,279
to say, yeah, the federal government should not be in

1752
01:45:59,319 --> 01:46:02,640
the business of managing social relations, and it certainly should

1753
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:06,760
be in the business of filing federal lawsuits if an

1754
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:09,399
individual business doesn't act the way that we want it.

1755
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:12,119
I think this is a very different thing than state

1756
01:46:12,199 --> 01:46:15,119
mandated segregation. I think there are many good reasons to

1757
01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:19,319
oppose state mandated segregation that do not apply to saying

1758
01:46:19,359 --> 01:46:22,079
the government should force you to serve whoever they want

1759
01:46:22,079 --> 01:46:24,800
you to serve. So the question for someone like James

1760
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:27,520
Lindsay is okay, well, if you're a classical liberal, do

1761
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:29,760
you believe in abolishing the Civil Rights Act of nineteen

1762
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:31,560
sixty four? And he's going to say, well no, And

1763
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:33,520
it's like, all right, well, then we're just wasting time,

1764
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:36,680
aren't we. Because if you're still going to have this

1765
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:40,119
bureaucracy enforcing all these laws you don't agree with, and

1766
01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:41,840
you're still going to be funny with your tax dollars

1767
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:43,319
and it's still going to be the law of the land,

1768
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:46,039
why even bother talking about this? I mean, why not

1769
01:46:46,119 --> 01:46:47,880
do what I think most people do, which was the

1770
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:50,000
point of my tweet, which as you shut up, keep

1771
01:46:50,039 --> 01:46:51,880
your head down, and work around it as best you can.

1772
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:57,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what basically anyone who doesn't work for

1773
01:46:57,520 --> 01:46:59,840
themselves or work from home, even if they work from

1774
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:03,720
home and they have clients or whatever, that's what you

1775
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:04,960
have to do when you go to work.

1776
01:47:05,039 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 4: I mean, I.

1777
01:47:07,039 --> 01:47:10,199
Speaker 1: I used to work for a German company and this

1778
01:47:10,279 --> 01:47:15,279
company had a diversity video that you had to watch

1779
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:18,039
ten years before they had them in the United States,

1780
01:47:18,079 --> 01:47:21,359
before United States corporations were coming out with them, and

1781
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:26,039
you have to watch exactly what I had to watch

1782
01:47:26,079 --> 01:47:28,439
exactly what I said there. You know, I would get

1783
01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:32,920
offered I would get offered promotions all the time where

1784
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:36,039
I'd have people under me, you know, where I'd be

1785
01:47:36,159 --> 01:47:39,560
commanding people, and I'd be like, now, I'm very happy

1786
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:41,359
doing what I'm doing because I know that I'm going

1787
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:43,640
to be around people that I'm going to let slip

1788
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:45,880
one one day and we're going to be into We're

1789
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:46,760
going to be into something.

1790
01:47:47,359 --> 01:47:52,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, that's the atmosphere of silent terror. I

1791
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:56,439
think that during twenty twenty and a lot of these

1792
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:58,840
kind of viral video controversies that followed, one of the

1793
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:01,960
things that really struck me is when I believe it

1794
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:04,199
was a black guy who was like bird watching or something,

1795
01:48:04,199 --> 01:48:06,119
and he was in a park and he pulled a

1796
01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:09,279
phone on this older white woman and the woman was

1797
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:12,560
like screaming in terror, trying to cover up her face,

1798
01:48:15,399 --> 01:48:18,920
borderline out of control. And I don't think it was

1799
01:48:19,079 --> 01:48:22,079
just fear for her job, although that was part of it.

1800
01:48:22,119 --> 01:48:23,840
I don't think it was just fear of attention of

1801
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:26,560
that's part of it. I mean, I think that the

1802
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:32,039
real dilemma for whites is that they've accepted the moral case.

1803
01:48:33,039 --> 01:48:37,279
They've accepted that racism, what we call racism, a word

1804
01:48:37,319 --> 01:48:40,279
that didn't even really exist one hundred years ago, is

1805
01:48:40,319 --> 01:48:43,479
now the greatest sin that has ever could ever exist,

1806
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:45,319
and to be found guilty of it is to be

1807
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,359
cast outside not just polite society, but really the protection

1808
01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:51,079
of society. How many cases have we seen where a

1809
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:52,880
guy gets beaten up or even killed and they let

1810
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:54,640
him go because, oh, we said the N word or

1811
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:56,880
something like that, like did he actually say it? Who knows,

1812
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:03,960
But this is taken as legitimate. And this idea of

1813
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:10,079
constantly being at the whim of other people, of having

1814
01:49:10,119 --> 01:49:12,600
no moral right to your own existence, of no moral

1815
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:15,399
right to your own community, of having no identity aside

1816
01:49:15,399 --> 01:49:19,359
that of shame and disgrace, I think that's a powerful

1817
01:49:19,399 --> 01:49:23,840
psychological drive for, as you pointed out earlier, a lot

1818
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:26,399
of white people who are drawn to this kind of

1819
01:49:26,399 --> 01:49:29,840
trans stuff or one of these other LGBT whatever category is.

1820
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:34,079
I think it's partially cynical because they're just trying to

1821
01:49:34,119 --> 01:49:36,680
have protection from civil rights laws and things like that,

1822
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:38,760
But I think part of it is a deeply felt

1823
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,640
need to be part of the coalition of the oppressed,

1824
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:45,159
because it's unbearable to be considered the bad guy, and

1825
01:49:45,199 --> 01:49:47,439
most people don't want to be considered the bad guy.

1826
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:50,439
And as much as we might like to tell ourselves

1827
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:54,119
comforting stories about the underdog or how people make up

1828
01:49:54,119 --> 01:49:57,119
their own mind, or how if a government tries to

1829
01:49:57,159 --> 01:49:59,960
impose a certain code of values on people, most people

1830
01:50:00,079 --> 01:50:03,760
will resist, that's not true at all. Most people will

1831
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:06,720
align with power. The fact that you go to the

1832
01:50:06,760 --> 01:50:09,800
movies and you hear stories about, you know, plucky underdogs

1833
01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:13,680
fighting the tyrannical government. You know, these tyrannical governments in

1834
01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:16,199
fiction are never saying the kinds of things that the

1835
01:50:16,239 --> 01:50:18,720
governments who are actually in power today are telling.

1836
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:18,840
Speaker 3: You.

1837
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:22,199
Speaker 4: The same people who like identifying with the rebels in

1838
01:50:22,239 --> 01:50:24,720
this movie or that movie are the same people who

1839
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:28,880
are the most fanatical enforcers of orthodoxy today. The fact

1840
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:32,720
is most people will do what they're told, and whites

1841
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:36,279
especially tend to follow the rules. Yeah.

1842
01:50:36,319 --> 01:50:42,800
Speaker 1: The famously, when the National Socialists came to power in

1843
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:47,880
nineteen thirty three, so many people who had been in

1844
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:53,600
the Communist Party just started wearing different colors. They just

1845
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:55,279
switched overnight.

1846
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:58,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, you see this in the Spanish Civil War two

1847
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:00,880
was interesting because you know, the Spanish Civil War was

1848
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:03,319
originally supposed to be kind of a lightning coup, right

1849
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:07,119
the nationalists were trying to just take over the government failed, and.

1850
01:51:07,079 --> 01:51:10,119
Speaker 1: So I'm doing a series on the Spanish Civil War.

1851
01:51:10,239 --> 01:51:13,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, Spanish Civil War is fascinating, and one of the

1852
01:51:13,399 --> 01:51:16,680
interesting things about it is that people found themselves caught

1853
01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:19,720
behind quote unquote enemy lines all of a sudden, even

1854
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:22,119
though they had no idea, like, this is what they

1855
01:51:22,159 --> 01:51:24,199
were signing up for, this is something that was going

1856
01:51:24,239 --> 01:51:26,880
to go down. It was supposed to be initially a

1857
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:28,800
battle for control of the whole country, and it ended

1858
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:32,319
up becoming really a territorial conflict. And what ended up

1859
01:51:32,359 --> 01:51:36,000
happening is the Foalongay activists who were caught behind republican

1860
01:51:36,039 --> 01:51:40,840
lines reidentified as communists, and the communists who were caught

1861
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:44,520
behind nationalists a lines reidentified as members of the Flangai.

1862
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:49,880
And it makes sense because when your own safety is

1863
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,199
in jeopardy and you need to prove your credentials to

1864
01:51:52,239 --> 01:51:54,840
literally stay alive, the best way to do it is

1865
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,760
to identify with the most fanatical soldiers on the other side.

1866
01:51:58,479 --> 01:52:00,560
And so if you're a right wing to this and

1867
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:03,319
then you put on a communist uniform and start executing

1868
01:52:03,359 --> 01:52:07,039
traders to their class, then you've protected yourself. And it's

1869
01:52:07,119 --> 01:52:10,920
hard not to see that with what's happening now. I mean,

1870
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:14,000
I suppose the good news is that if the quote

1871
01:52:14,039 --> 01:52:16,840
unquote right people had power, you would see most people

1872
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:19,840
align with better values. And I do think that the

1873
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:22,079
system we live under now is so unnatural that it

1874
01:52:22,079 --> 01:52:25,840
takes a tremendous amount of repression and power to keep

1875
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:30,520
it stumbling along. I think if we had power, it

1876
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:34,079
would be a more libertarian society. We would need such compulsion.

1877
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:36,880
But I mean, if you want to call that a

1878
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:39,520
white pilled reading of things, I mean it's still pretty

1879
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:42,840
cynical way to look at people. Unfortunately, I don't think

1880
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:44,960
people are giving me much of a reason to think.

1881
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:49,239
Speaker 1: Otherwise, honestly at this point, and I've been harping on

1882
01:52:49,279 --> 01:52:53,840
this for yeah, basically since COVID started. Is I think

1883
01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:59,520
that until something could be done at the national level,

1884
01:53:00,039 --> 01:53:04,119
and I'm almost fully convinced it's going to have to

1885
01:53:04,159 --> 01:53:09,319
be some kind of caesar in order to do it,

1886
01:53:10,359 --> 01:53:14,520
someone who has the military behind them and such, I

1887
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:19,880
think that the best chance we have for surviving and

1888
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:23,880
being able to speak openly and not have to live

1889
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a life where we have to watch our every word.

1890
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Is to find a location that is amenable to our values,

1891
01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:34,760
and I think a lot of people have figured that

1892
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:37,800
out in the last three years. People contact me all

1893
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:40,600
the time and are like, yep, I moved, butught a farm.

1894
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:44,920
I'm in a you know, a super majority red area,

1895
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,399
And even though I may not be a conservative, it's

1896
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a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

1897
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think there's two interesting things happening right now. First,

1898
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when you look at somebody like Caldwell, this guy's fundamentally

1899
01:54:00,039 --> 01:54:02,520
product of the conservative movement, is a fundamentally product of

1900
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:06,800
what I've called conservatism MinC. This is not some crazy outsider.

1901
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:11,119
This is not somebody who would be considered necessarily like

1902
01:54:11,199 --> 01:54:14,399
a far right activist, unlike the person whose name I

1903
01:54:14,479 --> 01:54:20,800
mentioned accidentally. But this is significant because you wouldn't hear

1904
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:24,199
somebody saying something like, well, the Civil Rights Act is

1905
01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:27,720
the reason all these things are going wrong. Richard Haniya,

1906
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:31,399
who's widely followed on Twitter and a lot of different people,

1907
01:54:31,399 --> 01:54:34,920
including some center left people, He's made essentially the same take,

1908
01:54:35,319 --> 01:54:39,119
which is that it's because the government is pushing these laws,

1909
01:54:39,159 --> 01:54:42,479
and Woke is essentially just downstream from the Civil Rights Act.

1910
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:46,279
I think Orn McIntyre, who thinks that the Blaze is

1911
01:54:46,279 --> 01:54:48,000
saying this kind of stuff now, the Blaze to me,

1912
01:54:48,119 --> 01:54:50,800
will always be associated with Glenn Beck. The idea of

1913
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,319
Glenn Beck's institution opposing the Civil Rights Act would have

1914
01:54:53,319 --> 01:54:56,239
been crazy to me ten years ago. But here we are. Well.

1915
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Speaker 1: I mean, yesterday he had on, or it might have

1916
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been the day before he had James Lindsay on, and

1917
01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:12,199
James Lindsay explained to him how Christian nationalism I mean

1918
01:55:12,279 --> 01:55:16,399
basically straw manned anyone who knows anything about about the book.

1919
01:55:16,399 --> 01:55:19,479
He just straw ended, and he got he got back

1920
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:21,319
to the point where he goes, well, we can't have

1921
01:55:21,439 --> 01:55:25,000
people being forced to be Christians in this country. And

1922
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I'm just like this Lindsay guy has to be exposed.

1923
01:55:28,119 --> 01:55:30,199
I mean, he is, you know, Glenn Beck to me.

1924
01:55:30,239 --> 01:55:31,880
I mean I was listening remember when Glenn Beck was

1925
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:33,760
on the radio. You know, I used to listen to

1926
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:35,680
him just because he was entertaining, and then he had

1927
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:38,079
the Fox Show, and you know, he does some good things,

1928
01:55:38,079 --> 01:55:39,520
but in the end, he's a freaking boomer.

1929
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Speaker 4: There was a book author in the name is blanket

1930
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on me right now, But there's a book called Thomas

1931
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:48,720
Jefferson in the Art of Power, and it talks about

1932
01:55:48,720 --> 01:55:53,640
how Jefferson and his movement basically governed the country after

1933
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:56,760
the Washington administrate, after the Washington Adams administrations, and how

1934
01:55:56,800 --> 01:55:59,640
his approach to politics still define us. And well, the

1935
01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:03,880
lines that really took away from it was, in America,

1936
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:09,760
everything is justified in terms of individual choice and individual freedom,

1937
01:56:10,159 --> 01:56:13,760
and then what you do, as long as it's essentially

1938
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:16,720
covered in the cloak of those words, is basically irrelevant

1939
01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:21,479
as long as it's compellingly identified with those phrases. That's

1940
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:25,760
sort of the trap we're in because the reason we

1941
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:28,680
face all these problems. We can talk about government bureaucracies,

1942
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:31,000
we can talk about violations of the Constitution. We can

1943
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:33,000
talk about the fact that you don't control your own property,

1944
01:56:33,039 --> 01:56:34,880
that the state can take your kids, that what public

1945
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:38,039
education is doing. All of these things are true. But

1946
01:56:38,319 --> 01:56:40,760
at the end of the day, the Left will justify

1947
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:43,840
everything they're doing on the grounds of people are allowed

1948
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:46,600
to decide from themselves who they are and what they

1949
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:50,199
want to be, and who are you to get involved

1950
01:56:50,239 --> 01:56:52,319
with that to interfere with that, that is a compelling

1951
01:56:52,399 --> 01:56:56,439
argument to most Americans. Unfortunately, the problem the response is

1952
01:56:56,439 --> 01:57:00,439
that I think it's something that I don't a lot

1953
01:57:00,479 --> 01:57:03,399
of us, maybe even we ourselves don't really want to consider,

1954
01:57:03,439 --> 01:57:08,680
which is choice itself is something of an illusion. I mean,

1955
01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:11,199
what we've seen over the last few years, particularly in

1956
01:57:11,239 --> 01:57:16,640
regard to Christians, certainly since gay marriage became legalized, is

1957
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:20,079
even the most deeply held values, even people who claim

1958
01:57:20,159 --> 01:57:22,760
to be defending the value, you know, the law of

1959
01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:27,600
the Living God, will change their minds in response to power,

1960
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:30,119
and they're not just being cynical. Maybe they may change

1961
01:57:30,119 --> 01:57:32,560
it that way out of cynicism, refear at the beginning,

1962
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:35,159
but eventually you do come to believe what you're saying.

1963
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Where you stand is where you sit, as the old

1964
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:42,039
bureaucratic saying goes. And so when you see these people

1965
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:48,800
redefining even who they are biologically, I think there was

1966
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:52,159
that guy. Did you see the assistant on Mister Beast,

1967
01:57:52,159 --> 01:57:56,239
who's that YouTube personality? And he became like some transgender

1968
01:57:56,279 --> 01:57:58,840
guy and everybody was going nuts about this. Well, somebody

1969
01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:01,159
dug up a thing a few years before where he

1970
01:58:01,279 --> 01:58:03,760
was making the kind of tired transgender jokes like oh,

1971
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:06,640
I identify as an attack helicopter. Fast forward a few years,

1972
01:58:06,720 --> 01:58:09,319
this guy's transgender, and you ask yourself, well, how could

1973
01:58:09,319 --> 01:58:11,520
it have come to this? What if The really terrifying

1974
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:16,359
possibility is that the journalists and the big tech executives

1975
01:58:16,359 --> 01:58:18,199
and all the rest of them are basically right that

1976
01:58:18,239 --> 01:58:20,439
if you just feed people a certain diet of a

1977
01:58:20,479 --> 01:58:23,079
certain amount of content for how many years, even the

1978
01:58:23,079 --> 01:58:26,359
most fundamental parts of their identity can be changed, can

1979
01:58:26,399 --> 01:58:29,359
be changed from the outside. And more than this, they'll

1980
01:58:29,399 --> 01:58:32,600
be convinced that they've made up their own mind. There's

1981
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:35,079
a book called Dedication and Leadership by a guy named

1982
01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:38,760
Douglas Hyde. He was a Communist party organizer. They used

1983
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:40,279
to give it to me when I worked at Leaderspins

1984
01:58:40,319 --> 01:58:42,039
two because it's a good book on how to convince

1985
01:58:42,119 --> 01:58:45,520
people of certain ideas and how to organize people. And

1986
01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:48,439
he was talking about discussion groups in the idea of

1987
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:52,399
basically educating your activists, and he said, the best thing

1988
01:58:52,439 --> 01:58:55,439
to do is to make people think that they've made

1989
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:57,680
up their own mind. I mean, this is at the

1990
01:58:57,680 --> 01:59:01,720
heart of a lot of political persuasion. There's an incredible

1991
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:05,119
amount of citicism, even in that where you're basically leading

1992
01:59:05,119 --> 01:59:09,520
people to predetermined conclusions, but you're essentially tricking them into thinking, well, actually,

1993
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:13,880
I came up with this idea, all political advertising, really,

1994
01:59:14,479 --> 01:59:19,880
all political activism is in some sense and exercise and gaslighting,

1995
01:59:20,359 --> 01:59:22,560
and God is on the side of the big battalions,

1996
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:25,560
i e. The ones who controlled these social media platforms,

1997
01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:29,159
and that ain't us. So the question becomes, how do

1998
01:59:29,199 --> 01:59:33,760
you push back against the movement where the other side

1999
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:36,960
controls the main weapons in this battle, in this battle

2000
01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:41,960
for persuasion and even the people who are being governed

2001
01:59:42,479 --> 01:59:47,600
from the top down through persuasion in terms of media,

2002
01:59:47,640 --> 01:59:50,439
but also in terms of naked repression in terms of

2003
01:59:50,479 --> 01:59:53,399
civil lights laws, they are going to believe that they

2004
01:59:53,399 --> 01:59:56,600
made up their own mind. How do you combat that?

2005
01:59:56,600 --> 01:59:58,479
That's a tough question, but that's the question that we

2006
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:00,239
need to answer.

2007
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:03,239
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, just asking him the question and trying to answer

2008
02:00:03,279 --> 02:00:05,359
it gets you targeted.

2009
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:11,159
Speaker 4: Well, it's insulting to most people. I mean, if you say, look,

2010
02:00:11,319 --> 02:00:13,680
you know, you don't actually you didn't actually make up

2011
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:15,760
your own mind. You've just been told this because the

2012
02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:18,000
media convinced it. I mean, you're basically calling this person

2013
02:00:18,039 --> 02:00:20,479
an idiot now. Of course, the media has called all

2014
02:00:20,479 --> 02:00:22,760
of us idiots for years by saying that people are

2015
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:27,000
too dumb to operate on social media freely. During the

2016
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:30,079
COVID pandemic, people said, you know, they said people are

2017
02:00:30,079 --> 02:00:32,560
too stupid to make their own medical decisions. They're too

2018
02:00:32,600 --> 02:00:37,760
stupid to research their own health. I think that there's

2019
02:00:37,800 --> 02:00:40,359
a lot of double think going on, because on the

2020
02:00:40,439 --> 02:00:44,960
one hand, people people believe that other people are dumb

2021
02:00:45,039 --> 02:00:49,000
animals who can't be trusted to make up their own mind,

2022
02:00:49,039 --> 02:00:51,920
and that they're easily tricked. But everybody is convinced that

2023
02:00:52,479 --> 02:00:55,199
they themselves are very good in making up their own mind,

2024
02:00:55,239 --> 02:00:59,399
that it's an incredible violation if they themselves are robbed

2025
02:00:59,399 --> 02:01:01,920
of certain in from a few years ago. A guy

2026
02:01:01,960 --> 02:01:05,000
who would be utterly canceled today. He could never get

2027
02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:08,520
hearing today, And I'm waiting for Slate to apologize forever

2028
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:13,600
hosting him, the late Christopher Hitchins. He was giving obviously atheist,

2029
02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:16,720
opponent of Christianity, not a man of the right, but

2030
02:01:17,479 --> 02:01:19,439
I think a principal defender of free speech. And he

2031
02:01:19,479 --> 02:01:22,279
was giving a speech in Canada, and Canada had passed

2032
02:01:22,319 --> 02:01:24,880
some sort of hate speech regulation or something like that,

2033
02:01:25,359 --> 02:01:28,119
and he asked the audience. There were people obviously arguing

2034
02:01:28,119 --> 02:01:30,239
in favor of it, same arguments you hear today, lots

2035
02:01:30,239 --> 02:01:32,840
of crying and caterwauling about how people's feelings are hurt

2036
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:34,560
and we need to prevent this, and how it leads

2037
02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:37,279
to violence, all this stuff. And he said, well, look,

2038
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:42,920
is there somebody who you would trust for you to

2039
02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:45,760
determine for you what you were allowed to see, what

2040
02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:47,920
you were allowed to read, what you were allowed to watch.

2041
02:01:48,159 --> 02:01:51,000
And of course nobody raised their hand, and he said, well,

2042
02:01:51,039 --> 02:01:53,279
the loss says there has to be such a person.

2043
02:01:53,880 --> 02:01:56,239
But evidently none of you believe in this, and all

2044
02:01:56,279 --> 02:01:58,399
of you know that it makes you a hypocrite, so

2045
02:01:59,119 --> 02:02:02,279
to hell with this law. These are not new arguments,

2046
02:02:02,359 --> 02:02:08,159
but we've still I think, quietly accepted by we. I

2047
02:02:08,199 --> 02:02:11,600
think most people in this society have quietly accepted that

2048
02:02:12,840 --> 02:02:16,000
it is offensive to us at some level. It does

2049
02:02:16,119 --> 02:02:18,960
make us hypocrites and cowards, but we are going to

2050
02:02:19,000 --> 02:02:21,079
go along with it. And I think the way that

2051
02:02:22,439 --> 02:02:24,359
those in power have managed to get away with this

2052
02:02:24,479 --> 02:02:29,640
is I think they the created enemy of Christian nationalists,

2053
02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:34,439
MAGA activists, racist white guys, terrorists, domestic insurrectionists, all the

2054
02:02:34,479 --> 02:02:38,880
rest of it. The hatred against these people, however artificially created,

2055
02:02:39,039 --> 02:02:41,880
is real. And I think people are willing to give

2056
02:02:41,960 --> 02:02:45,880
up even their most fundamental freedoms if it means taking

2057
02:02:45,920 --> 02:02:48,680
the poke at a constituency that they have been carefully

2058
02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:51,720
instructed to hate. And I think that we saw this

2059
02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:54,119
during COVID too. There was a poll that had a

2060
02:02:54,159 --> 02:02:56,720
not insignificant number of Democrats said that kids should be

2061
02:02:56,800 --> 02:03:02,079
taken away from people who don't get the JAB. I'm

2062
02:03:02,199 --> 02:03:05,079
beginning to think that the percentage of people who would

2063
02:03:05,079 --> 02:03:07,359
answer that question, yeah, their kids should be taken away,

2064
02:03:07,399 --> 02:03:09,760
if they had just said do you think people's kids

2065
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:11,399
should be taken away if they vote for Trump? I

2066
02:03:11,439 --> 02:03:16,000
think the percentages wouldn't really change. It has nothing to

2067
02:03:16,039 --> 02:03:18,760
do with the actual issue that we're talking about. It

2068
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:21,520
has nothing to do with the in and out of

2069
02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:24,199
who's right or who's wrong. It all has to do

2070
02:03:24,359 --> 02:03:29,359
with identity politics. All politics as identity politics. And this

2071
02:03:29,439 --> 02:03:32,159
is again, this is another thing that our system kind

2072
02:03:32,159 --> 02:03:33,640
of to go back to what we were talking about

2073
02:03:33,680 --> 02:03:37,359
the beginning, Our entire system is basically premised upon the

2074
02:03:37,479 --> 02:03:40,479
idea a very crazy idea when you really think about it,

2075
02:03:40,960 --> 02:03:44,880
that if you take everybody, literally everybody in the society,

2076
02:03:45,079 --> 02:03:47,399
men and women above a certain age, and we all

2077
02:03:47,439 --> 02:03:49,439
just kind of sit down together and like, look over

2078
02:03:49,479 --> 02:03:52,960
these arguments, we're gonna basically come up with the right answer.

2079
02:03:53,479 --> 02:03:55,960
But that's not true. I mean, as Leekwan Yu of

2080
02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:59,840
Singapore said, and in multiracial society, you vote with your group,

2081
02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:04,239
and the real poison of the Civil Rights Act is

2082
02:04:04,239 --> 02:04:08,399
that it creates an incentive for you to only identify

2083
02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:11,079
with your group because the common good, the common treasury,

2084
02:04:11,199 --> 02:04:14,239
just becomes something to be looted. Everything that you gain

2085
02:04:14,359 --> 02:04:16,520
has to come at the expense of somebody else, because

2086
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:21,439
everything becomes identified in terms of oppression and victimization. There's

2087
02:04:21,439 --> 02:04:23,439
always a good guy, there's always a bad guy. There's

2088
02:04:23,479 --> 02:04:27,640
never anything where we all gain together. I think there's

2089
02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:30,880
an argument. Nobody would listen to me, of course, but

2090
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:34,439
you could make an argument that if you actually wanted

2091
02:04:34,479 --> 02:04:37,840
real race relations to benefit in this country, you got

2092
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:39,840
to abolish the Civil Rights Act and have people get

2093
02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:42,000
along to be as individuals. I mean, this is the

2094
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:45,039
most common thing you hear among boomer conservatives. But I

2095
02:04:45,079 --> 02:04:47,119
don't think the people who say that kind of stuff

2096
02:04:47,119 --> 02:04:49,880
are ready for what that would actually entail. I mean,

2097
02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:53,159
if you had a Republican candidate today talk about getting

2098
02:04:53,199 --> 02:04:55,720
rid of the Civil Rights Act, I mean, what they

2099
02:04:55,760 --> 02:04:57,720
said about Trump would be as nothing compared to what

2100
02:04:57,760 --> 02:04:59,840
they would say about that guy.

2101
02:05:00,640 --> 02:05:02,359
Speaker 1: It goes back to what we were saying before. This

2102
02:05:02,439 --> 02:05:06,000
is all this has all just been put inside of us.

2103
02:05:06,159 --> 02:05:09,239
It's all a part of us. I said on a

2104
02:05:09,279 --> 02:05:13,800
recent episode, we were talking and somebody was saying that

2105
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:16,920
really the only way through this was like white identitarianism.

2106
02:05:17,399 --> 02:05:19,800
And I said, when you consider the spirit of the age,

2107
02:05:20,439 --> 02:05:24,600
by the time you convinced every white you know enough

2108
02:05:24,640 --> 02:05:29,079
white people of white identitarianism, we'd be passed this spirit

2109
02:05:29,119 --> 02:05:32,399
of the age. We'd be pasted this age. And that

2110
02:05:32,439 --> 02:05:35,920
wouldn't even be applicable anymore except for some kind of future,

2111
02:05:37,319 --> 02:05:41,359
you know, for a future application of some sort. We're

2112
02:05:41,560 --> 02:05:45,760
just at the point now where people have been so

2113
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:51,239
their their brains. Think in one way, when you talk

2114
02:05:51,279 --> 02:05:55,039
about the person who would vote to take someone's kid

2115
02:05:55,039 --> 02:06:00,000
away because of the JAB also voting for the Trump,

2116
02:06:00,840 --> 02:06:03,520
anyone who's a Trump supporter to have their kids taken away,

2117
02:06:03,640 --> 02:06:07,800
these people aren't thinking this is as instinctive with them

2118
02:06:07,880 --> 02:06:12,720
is breathing now, and the question is how do you

2119
02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:14,439
change that. I mean, it's very black pilling when you

2120
02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:15,079
think about it.

2121
02:06:15,079 --> 02:06:18,399
Speaker 4: It's a religious thing. I mean is I was thinking

2122
02:06:18,399 --> 02:06:21,479
about how to frame a lot of this stuff, and

2123
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:24,279
I'm kind of going back and forth with writing about

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a lot of this, and I think that the real

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02:06:26,079 --> 02:06:27,600
way we have to look at this, and this is

2126
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going to sound maybe a bit difficult, but unfortunately, I

2127
02:06:32,119 --> 02:06:34,479
just don't see an alternative, and I'd love for you

2128
02:06:34,600 --> 02:06:36,479
to push back after this. I think what we're fighting

2129
02:06:36,479 --> 02:06:41,399
fundamentally is a religion, and it's not just a religion

2130
02:06:41,439 --> 02:06:43,680
in the sense that there are certain faith based claims.

2131
02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:45,880
I mean, you could argue that egalitarianism is a faith

2132
02:06:45,880 --> 02:06:48,000
based claim because you're just assuming that all groups are

2133
02:06:48,039 --> 02:06:50,039
the same and there's no real evidence to suggest that.

2134
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:54,800
But it's bigger than that. We've gone beyond this abstract

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02:06:54,880 --> 02:06:59,600
ideal that everybody's the same. Now we're saying things like,

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02:07:00,159 --> 02:07:03,199
for example, where George Floyd died, people were bringing people

2137
02:07:03,239 --> 02:07:07,199
there and claiming that literal miracles were taking place. You

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02:07:07,399 --> 02:07:11,119
have these you have Christian churches honoring guys like treyvon

2139
02:07:11,239 --> 02:07:14,319
Martin and Floyd and whoever the latest blm martyr is.

2140
02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:18,479
These people worship these people far more than they do

2141
02:07:18,720 --> 02:07:21,279
Jesus of Nazareth. I mean, you can blasphere Jesus all

2142
02:07:21,319 --> 02:07:23,239
you want, you can blasphem Jesus all you want within

2143
02:07:23,279 --> 02:07:25,159
a church, but you're not going to be able to

2144
02:07:25,159 --> 02:07:27,600
blaspheme certain figures. They're certainly not going to be able

2145
02:07:27,600 --> 02:07:30,319
to Blaspheme somebody like Martin Luther King, regardless of his

2146
02:07:30,399 --> 02:07:34,920
own personal conduct, regardless of his own non existent faith

2147
02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:38,039
in Christianity. By the way, Martin Luther King, I believe,

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02:07:38,119 --> 02:07:41,439
is carved as one of the saints on a major

2149
02:07:41,439 --> 02:07:47,760
Anglican church in the United Kingdom. What we're facing now

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02:07:48,119 --> 02:07:53,840
is the attempt for people. It's the actual worship of victimization.

2151
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:59,359
It's the actual worship of victims of oppression. And the

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problem is that it's not actually oppression. I mean, the

2153
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:07,159
way the society functions is that the so called oppressed

2154
02:08:07,239 --> 02:08:10,880
people are the ones who get preferences and jobs and education,

2155
02:08:11,600 --> 02:08:14,880
whereas the so called privileged people are the ones who

2156
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:18,439
get fired if they so much as speak of themselves

2157
02:08:18,439 --> 02:08:20,960
as having an identity or any kind of a collective interest,

2158
02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:25,239
and so you get the moral hit of fighting on

2159
02:08:25,279 --> 02:08:28,560
the side of the oppressed without actually facing any costs.

2160
02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:31,119
That's a very potent thing. I mean, how do you

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02:08:31,159 --> 02:08:34,960
turn that down. One of the things that is tough,

2162
02:08:35,079 --> 02:08:37,960
because you know it leads to certain, maybe not great

2163
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:40,560
reflections on human nature is that if you look at

2164
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:44,039
the spread of Christianity, a lot of the Christian martyrs,

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02:08:44,920 --> 02:08:47,000
they didn't just come at the hands of the Romans.

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02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:52,079
They came when Christianity itself had become better organized and

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02:08:52,199 --> 02:08:56,640
state power could be directed against opponents of the dominant faith.

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You had Christian entity really caught on once it had

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02:09:02,479 --> 02:09:05,760
lad sponsorship. Yeah, there were people who suffered at the beginning,

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02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:08,479
but it didn't become mainstream. You didn't have the fanaticism,

2171
02:09:08,520 --> 02:09:11,159
you didn't have sacking the pagan temples or all these

2172
02:09:11,239 --> 02:09:14,720
kinds of things once it really became safe for people

2173
02:09:14,760 --> 02:09:19,119
to do so. I would argue that a lot of

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the people, if you want to call them proto woke activists,

2175
02:09:22,600 --> 02:09:24,680
the type of people who were the International Workers of

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02:09:24,680 --> 02:09:27,000
the World one hundred years ago, with the strike organizers.

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02:09:27,039 --> 02:09:30,159
Perhaps maybe some of the early civil rights activists, although

2178
02:09:30,199 --> 02:09:33,000
frankly the federal government was always on their side from

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02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:35,800
pretty early on. A lot of these guys really did

2180
02:09:35,840 --> 02:09:39,000
face violence, and did face oppression and did make sacrifices.

2181
02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:42,479
But the people who are rallying to this cause now,

2182
02:09:43,279 --> 02:09:46,239
they've never faced depression in their entire lives and they

2183
02:09:46,279 --> 02:09:50,279
never will, and yet they still get to cloak themselves

2184
02:09:50,279 --> 02:09:53,239
in the mantle of righteous avengers, like there's some kind

2185
02:09:53,239 --> 02:09:57,119
of John Brown. Convincing people not to go along with

2186
02:09:57,159 --> 02:09:59,279
that is a very tough thing to do, because you're

2187
02:09:59,359 --> 02:10:03,199
essentially giving people and identity, a cause, a meaningful life,

2188
02:10:03,319 --> 02:10:07,520
and material benefits. How do you possibly convince people to

2189
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:08,239
give all that up?

2190
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Speaker 1: I will say this, if it is a religion, then

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I do not think that there are enough of them

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02:10:15,880 --> 02:10:18,520
who are willing to die for it, who are willing

2193
02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:19,600
to suffer for it.

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Speaker 4: But they are willing to kill for it, and more importantly,

2195
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:28,680
they're willing to let other people die for it and

2196
02:10:28,720 --> 02:10:31,439
approve of it. I mean, let's take something that I

2197
02:10:31,479 --> 02:10:35,079
think is maybe there's a bit on the borderline, but

2198
02:10:35,399 --> 02:10:37,000
let's just take it because it's something I see all

2199
02:10:37,039 --> 02:10:39,199
the time. Let's take the case of Ashley Babbott. I

2200
02:10:39,239 --> 02:10:42,520
don't want to get into election denialism or did he win,

2201
02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:45,319
did he not win? Whatever, Here's Ashley Babbitt, here's this

2202
02:10:45,399 --> 02:10:49,720
white girl who air force veteran. And after months of

2203
02:10:49,960 --> 02:10:53,039
riots in twenty twenty and people being killed and cities

2204
02:10:53,079 --> 02:10:55,960
burned down, police precinct burned down, let's not forget you

2205
02:10:56,039 --> 02:10:58,680
see a black capital police officer shoot dead this white

2206
02:10:58,680 --> 02:11:03,039
woman in front of everybody. Media says it's great, government

2207
02:11:03,079 --> 02:11:07,399
calls the guy hero, including Republicans, that you could all

2208
02:11:07,479 --> 02:11:10,680
kind of expect. What I think people really don't expect

2209
02:11:10,760 --> 02:11:12,760
and people really need to get through their skull is

2210
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:15,960
the fact that every single day on Twitter there's this

2211
02:11:16,079 --> 02:11:19,720
kind of almost pornographic celebration of the fact that she

2212
02:11:19,880 --> 02:11:22,479
was killed, the kind of zooming in on the corpse

2213
02:11:22,520 --> 02:11:24,640
and being, you know, f around and find out isn't

2214
02:11:24,680 --> 02:11:28,000
this great? Isn't this funny? This is something that happened

2215
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:31,159
in front of everyone, And a lot of times conservatives

2216
02:11:31,199 --> 02:11:33,880
will we'll look at some example of cruelty or some

2217
02:11:34,039 --> 02:11:37,239
example of repression and say, well, aren't you ashamed? Isn't

2218
02:11:37,239 --> 02:11:39,640
this violating your beliefs? Don't you feel guilty about this?

2219
02:11:39,720 --> 02:11:43,680
The answer is, well, no, people know exactly what's going on.

2220
02:11:43,800 --> 02:11:47,119
People know exactly what they're doing, and they think it's good.

2221
02:11:47,600 --> 02:11:50,560
Edward Dutton just a couple of days ago, was promoting

2222
02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:52,479
and I think Jordan Peterson and a few others have

2223
02:11:52,520 --> 02:11:56,039
been promoting this research. Was promoting some research which I've

2224
02:11:56,079 --> 02:11:57,680
yet to read. So I don't want to put myself

2225
02:11:57,720 --> 02:12:01,359
on the line too much defending it. But looking leftism

2226
02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:06,840
to basically sociopathic tendencies where you say these kinds of

2227
02:12:06,880 --> 02:12:10,399
things because they allow you a justification to exercise power

2228
02:12:10,399 --> 02:12:13,920
and cruelty over other people. Certainly on my own experience,

2229
02:12:13,920 --> 02:12:17,319
I think a lot of leftists, especially hard leftists, that

2230
02:12:17,680 --> 02:12:20,119
is why they do what they do. It allows the

2231
02:12:20,159 --> 02:12:23,800
cruelty is the point. And certainly when you look at

2232
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:26,199
the way antifi operate, when you look at the people

2233
02:12:26,279 --> 02:12:29,119
who beat up people on the street or destroy their business,

2234
02:12:29,239 --> 02:12:31,239
or docks people and drive them to suicide, all this

2235
02:12:31,359 --> 02:12:35,680
kind of stuff, you can imagine them having fun while

2236
02:12:35,680 --> 02:12:39,560
they're doing this. And so I think when conservatives think

2237
02:12:39,600 --> 02:12:41,319
that there's going to be a limit, or there's going

2238
02:12:41,399 --> 02:12:43,279
to be a point, or that things will never get

2239
02:12:43,279 --> 02:12:45,600
too out of control, because people will react against it.

2240
02:12:46,039 --> 02:12:49,119
I think they don't quite understand what time it is.

2241
02:12:49,279 --> 02:12:53,800
People know exactly what's happening. They think it's good, they

2242
02:12:53,800 --> 02:12:56,520
think it's funny, and they want more of it. And

2243
02:12:56,680 --> 02:12:59,399
if you don't believe me, I mean, take whatever marder,

2244
02:12:59,439 --> 02:13:02,359
take whatever calls you want, put it on Twitter. Watch

2245
02:13:02,399 --> 02:13:06,239
the responses, Watch the responses from journalists, Watch the responses

2246
02:13:06,239 --> 02:13:10,840
from those in power. Certainly on racial issues, the most

2247
02:13:10,920 --> 02:13:15,159
common refrain on anything is imagine if it was the

2248
02:13:15,199 --> 02:13:17,199
other way around. I mean, we say this over and

2249
02:13:17,199 --> 02:13:19,039
over and over again, to the point where it's sickening.

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And I think there are still some conservatives who are

2251
02:13:22,840 --> 02:13:26,840
thinking themselves, oh, well, the journalists don't know or they

2252
02:13:26,920 --> 02:13:29,159
just aren't aware of these cases. It's like, no, they're

2253
02:13:29,239 --> 02:13:32,399
totally aware of these cases. They just think it's funny

2254
02:13:32,399 --> 02:13:36,199
and want more of it to happen. Well, I had.

2255
02:13:37,720 --> 02:13:39,560
Speaker 1: That talks to Paul Gottfried about a month to go,

2256
02:13:40,439 --> 02:13:44,239
and you know, we were talking about this exact thing is,

2257
02:13:44,319 --> 02:13:49,159
how does how does this end? How does this complete insanity?

2258
02:13:49,319 --> 02:13:54,560
What is you know, basic cruelty? How does this end?

2259
02:13:55,039 --> 02:14:00,640
And he was very clear, he said he the only

2260
02:14:00,680 --> 02:14:06,680
way this ends is with right wing authoritarianism that.

2261
02:14:06,840 --> 02:14:10,640
Speaker 4: Or just continued degradation. I mean, well, that sounds more

2262
02:14:10,640 --> 02:14:14,199
optimistic than I would have given doctor godfree credit for,

2263
02:14:15,279 --> 02:14:18,119
or certainly me. I mean in terms of like the

2264
02:14:18,159 --> 02:14:22,279
way this ends, if it ends, I think we do

2265
02:14:22,359 --> 02:14:26,359
have to consider the possibility that it just doesn't end.

2266
02:14:26,520 --> 02:14:31,840
I mean, the system we have now is remarkably stable people.

2267
02:14:33,039 --> 02:14:36,760
As we've talked about, if we can call the intersectionality

2268
02:14:37,359 --> 02:14:39,560
the imperial faith, I mean, this is something that has

2269
02:14:39,680 --> 02:14:45,359
united the West more completely than any ideology since what

2270
02:14:45,520 --> 02:14:48,039
the Reformation. I mean, you go to Britain, you go

2271
02:14:48,079 --> 02:14:49,760
to Germany, you go to Italy, you go to any

2272
02:14:49,760 --> 02:14:52,039
of these places, You're going to see the same flag.

2273
02:14:52,079 --> 02:14:55,159
You're going to see the same politicians honoring the same heroes,

2274
02:14:55,680 --> 02:14:58,920
defending the same ideals, and everybody's still operating off the

2275
02:14:58,920 --> 02:15:01,399
same more premises, And insofar as there is a right,

2276
02:15:02,039 --> 02:15:04,800
they're still going to share much like you know, James lindsay,

2277
02:15:05,039 --> 02:15:08,359
they're going to share most of the fundamental ideals of this.

2278
02:15:08,600 --> 02:15:11,439
I mean, there's not really a systemic rejection of everything

2279
02:15:11,479 --> 02:15:15,960
that's been going on. And the problem with counting on

2280
02:15:16,239 --> 02:15:20,439
right wing authoritarianism is it it presupposes that, you know,

2281
02:15:20,520 --> 02:15:22,399
things are going to get to a certain point where

2282
02:15:22,399 --> 02:15:25,239
they just become unworkable and then somebody is going to

2283
02:15:25,319 --> 02:15:28,640
come in and restore order. But as we've seen in

2284
02:15:28,760 --> 02:15:33,039
let's take Chicago, Chicago crime, it's just a fact. Crime

2285
02:15:33,119 --> 02:15:36,880
has gone up tremendously. In fact, over Memorial Day, I

2286
02:15:36,880 --> 02:15:40,000
believe more than fifty people were shot. Eleven were killed,

2287
02:15:41,479 --> 02:15:44,319
this fact, and the mayor blamed it, I think on

2288
02:15:44,439 --> 02:15:48,159
disinvestment or something like that. Yeah, we're talking about in

2289
02:15:48,199 --> 02:15:50,399
a lot of these cases, we're talking about like dead kids.

2290
02:15:50,439 --> 02:15:54,399
We're talking about the most lurid, unimaginably horrific cases, imaginable.

2291
02:15:54,560 --> 02:15:58,800
These things have no impact whatsoever on public opinion. There's

2292
02:15:58,880 --> 02:16:01,640
not a single person anywhere of any significance in the

2293
02:16:01,640 --> 02:16:04,760
black community who cares about any of this. And when

2294
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:07,560
the next election rolls around, they are going to vote

2295
02:16:07,800 --> 02:16:10,399
hard left every single time, just like the new mayor

2296
02:16:10,399 --> 02:16:12,960
of Chicago with somebody who's significantly to the left of

2297
02:16:13,039 --> 02:16:17,560
Lori Lightfoot. There is not going to be a reaction

2298
02:16:18,239 --> 02:16:20,800
from the communities that are most involved with this, just

2299
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:22,920
like there was no reaction in Zimbabwe, just like there's

2300
02:16:22,920 --> 02:16:27,000
no reaction in Venezuela, and just like there's no involvement,

2301
02:16:27,079 --> 02:16:30,319
there's no reaction in California, people just left. If there

2302
02:16:30,359 --> 02:16:32,319
is going to be a reaction, it's going to come

2303
02:16:32,360 --> 02:16:35,920
from communities that are not culpable in all this, from

2304
02:16:36,040 --> 02:16:39,879
communities where that are actually communities where you actually have

2305
02:16:39,920 --> 02:16:42,079
a tradition outside of this, where you have a certain

2306
02:16:42,120 --> 02:16:47,239
amount of identity and cohesiveness, where you can bind together

2307
02:16:47,360 --> 02:16:50,559
and fight back against this, turn it back, and maybe

2308
02:16:50,559 --> 02:16:54,440
even reconquer lost territory. But that's not going to happen naturally.

2309
02:16:54,479 --> 02:16:57,440
That's going to happen through fanatic organization, and that's going

2310
02:16:57,520 --> 02:17:00,680
to happen with people who are willing to suffer on

2311
02:17:00,760 --> 02:17:03,360
behalf of another faith that I think a lot of

2312
02:17:03,399 --> 02:17:08,079
people would consider unreasonable. Certainly, if you were a believing

2313
02:17:08,159 --> 02:17:12,040
Christian today, you would not be welcome in just about

2314
02:17:12,079 --> 02:17:16,879
any mainline denomination, Protestant or Catholic. I can't even think

2315
02:17:16,959 --> 02:17:21,200
of what would happen to a mainline Protestant who tried

2316
02:17:21,239 --> 02:17:26,719
to say that his parishioners should not participate with any

2317
02:17:26,719 --> 02:17:30,559
business or give money or work for any business that honors,

2318
02:17:30,559 --> 02:17:34,159
say Pride Month. I mean, that's probably the biblically correct stance,

2319
02:17:34,200 --> 02:17:35,760
but he's probably not going to find a lot of

2320
02:17:35,799 --> 02:17:37,600
people willing to sit in the pews, Or he might

2321
02:17:37,639 --> 02:17:39,399
find a lot of people willing to sit in the pews,

2322
02:17:39,959 --> 02:17:42,760
but who aren't willing to follow up. At the same time,

2323
02:17:43,239 --> 02:17:46,520
the priests and pastors who go along with everything that's

2324
02:17:46,520 --> 02:17:50,520
happening from the top down in society, yeah, they may

2325
02:17:50,559 --> 02:17:53,120
be allowed to keep their position. They may even be allowed,

2326
02:17:53,159 --> 02:17:55,760
like David French or somebody like that, or Russell Moore

2327
02:17:55,799 --> 02:17:58,120
to write an article for The New York Times once

2328
02:17:58,159 --> 02:18:01,479
in a while. But people are fundamentally going to leave

2329
02:18:01,520 --> 02:18:03,639
their churches because what's the point of going to church

2330
02:18:03,680 --> 02:18:05,440
if what you're saying is no different than what Vice

2331
02:18:05,479 --> 02:18:10,520
magazine says. I mean, it's going to take an unreasonable

2332
02:18:10,520 --> 02:18:13,639
group of people from outside the existing system to stop this,

2333
02:18:14,479 --> 02:18:17,000
and it's going to take people doing something that is

2334
02:18:17,040 --> 02:18:21,239
against their short term safety and economic interest. And that's

2335
02:18:21,239 --> 02:18:23,520
the heck of the thing, because, like I said, I'm

2336
02:18:23,559 --> 02:18:26,680
not putting myself up as some guy who's different from

2337
02:18:26,680 --> 02:18:29,239
everybody else. I mean, my job is essentially different from

2338
02:18:29,280 --> 02:18:32,120
everybody else's because I work for American Renaissance. So I

2339
02:18:32,120 --> 02:18:33,959
can get fired the same way as other people can.

2340
02:18:34,360 --> 02:18:38,399
I mean, you're asking people to basically be heroes and

2341
02:18:38,440 --> 02:18:42,559
defy public morality with nothing telling them that they're right

2342
02:18:42,600 --> 02:18:45,079
other than like a small little voice inside and they're

2343
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:48,200
trusted friends, and that's a very big thing to ask.

2344
02:18:48,319 --> 02:18:50,479
We should have no illusions about the nature of the

2345
02:18:50,520 --> 02:18:53,239
struggle and how uphill it's going to be. Well.

2346
02:18:53,479 --> 02:18:56,280
Speaker 1: I unfortunately I agree with you.

2347
02:18:56,360 --> 02:18:57,680
Speaker 4: I think the only thing.

2348
02:18:57,559 --> 02:19:02,079
Speaker 1: That could really push it push it along would be

2349
02:19:04,280 --> 02:19:09,239
moneyed elites who are willing to fund those who who

2350
02:19:09,280 --> 02:19:13,280
are willing to do things that go against our quote

2351
02:19:13,319 --> 02:19:15,479
unquote American principles.

2352
02:19:15,799 --> 02:19:18,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I've said over and over again, I've gotten,

2353
02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:21,120
you know, some pushback from people, I think, even on

2354
02:19:21,120 --> 02:19:24,559
our own side. If you had the free speech norms

2355
02:19:24,600 --> 02:19:28,040
of twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen, I think we win,

2356
02:19:28,239 --> 02:19:31,879
and we win very quickly. I do believe. I'm not

2357
02:19:32,479 --> 02:19:36,559
I think that choice maybe more malleable than many people expect.

2358
02:19:36,600 --> 02:19:41,280
But obviously people do have individual judgment. Obviously people are

2359
02:19:41,319 --> 02:19:44,959
capable of determining certain things. But if you there's a

2360
02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:47,799
line in the Malcolm X movie movie that I think

2361
02:19:47,959 --> 02:19:50,920
all nationalists would watch where Elijah Muhammad, founder of the

2362
02:19:51,000 --> 02:19:53,760
Nation of Islam, is talking to Malcolm X and he

2363
02:19:53,799 --> 02:19:57,079
pours some ink in the glass, and he offers Malcolm

2364
02:19:57,120 --> 02:19:58,959
the ruined water, and he says, you know, if you

2365
02:19:59,040 --> 02:20:02,239
offer the people this and there's nothing else, they will

2366
02:20:02,319 --> 02:20:04,680
drink it if they're thirsty. But if you'll offer him

2367
02:20:04,719 --> 02:20:06,600
this glass and he pours them a glass of clear water,

2368
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:10,239
they will choose the correct alternative. The problem now is

2369
02:20:10,239 --> 02:20:12,719
people are not being given that choice. In so far

2370
02:20:12,760 --> 02:20:15,040
as there is a way out through the existing system,

2371
02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:17,200
it's going to have to be grounded in the rhetoric

2372
02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:19,520
of choice and individual freedom. Whether we like it or not,

2373
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:22,799
that's just the way it is. Obviously free at this point.

2374
02:20:23,000 --> 02:20:25,440
In so far as I expect anything from the political process,

2375
02:20:25,479 --> 02:20:28,000
I'm a single issue voter, not on guns, not on immigration,

2376
02:20:28,440 --> 02:20:31,879
but on free speech online, free speech. Elon Musk taking

2377
02:20:31,879 --> 02:20:35,079
over Twitter was obviously a big step in the right direction.

2378
02:20:35,680 --> 02:20:38,200
But I mean, let's face it, my boss Jared Taylor

2379
02:20:38,719 --> 02:20:41,000
is not allowed on the platform at all, even though

2380
02:20:41,000 --> 02:20:45,159
he's about he's certainly more polite than me, certainly more

2381
02:20:46,879 --> 02:20:49,319
respectful than I am when it comes to certain issues,

2382
02:20:49,360 --> 02:20:51,280
and in terms of the kind of language he uses,

2383
02:20:51,440 --> 02:20:53,239
yet he's not welcome on the platform. Why is he

2384
02:20:53,280 --> 02:20:55,760
not welcome on the platform Because it's not because of

2385
02:20:55,799 --> 02:20:57,920
how he says it or because he violates any rules,

2386
02:20:57,959 --> 02:21:00,959
but because of the subject matter itself. Because once you

2387
02:21:00,959 --> 02:21:08,040
get people discussing these things, it's inherently stabilizing. YouTube, Instagram, TikTok,

2388
02:21:08,799 --> 02:21:12,200
all these other mediums that people that are really shaping

2389
02:21:12,239 --> 02:21:15,479
the minds of the next generation and even older generations.

2390
02:21:15,520 --> 02:21:19,840
Now they're even worse than Twitter. So, you know, until

2391
02:21:19,879 --> 02:21:23,680
we can make some progress on that front, we're sort

2392
02:21:23,719 --> 02:21:28,120
of left in the wilderness of these you know, vanguardists, tribalists,

2393
02:21:28,360 --> 02:21:32,200
underground type strategies where you might be able to build

2394
02:21:32,280 --> 02:21:35,440
something and we can talk about that, but what you're

2395
02:21:35,479 --> 02:21:37,920
going to build is always going to be small scale

2396
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:41,040
at a certain level, and it's also not necessarily going

2397
02:21:41,079 --> 02:21:43,239
to be for public consumption. I mean, if you have

2398
02:21:43,280 --> 02:21:45,159
a good business going, if you have a network, if

2399
02:21:45,200 --> 02:21:47,639
you have a tribe or something going, the first thing

2400
02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:50,360
not to do is broadcast it on the internet and

2401
02:21:50,360 --> 02:21:54,440
make yourself a giant target. Yeah, one hundred, which is

2402
02:21:54,479 --> 02:21:55,959
sort of the thing. And you know, I'm just saying

2403
02:21:55,959 --> 02:21:57,479
this for people out there, I get message all the

2404
02:21:57,520 --> 02:21:59,239
time like, well, what should we do? You know, why

2405
02:21:59,239 --> 02:22:01,040
don't you talk about what we should do? It's like, well,

2406
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:03,360
if I I have plenty of ideas for what we

2407
02:22:03,399 --> 02:22:04,799
should do, but I'm not going to give a giant

2408
02:22:04,840 --> 02:22:07,399
speech like you know, first, we're going to meet it

2409
02:22:07,479 --> 02:22:09,200
this time, at this place, and this is what we're

2410
02:22:09,200 --> 02:22:11,159
going to do. Like no, Like that's the opposite of

2411
02:22:11,319 --> 02:22:13,879
how we should be conducting ourselves. I mean, if we've

2412
02:22:13,920 --> 02:22:16,680
learned anything from what happened with the alt right, it's

2413
02:22:16,719 --> 02:22:20,760
that maybe like publicly announcing where we're all going to

2414
02:22:20,760 --> 02:22:23,040
be and who everybody is and this is how we're

2415
02:22:23,079 --> 02:22:24,920
going to operate from here on out, maybe that's not

2416
02:22:24,959 --> 02:22:29,680
the best idea when the other side controls law enforcement, media,

2417
02:22:29,760 --> 02:22:30,200
and money.

2418
02:22:31,440 --> 02:22:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, the I'm sure you've experienced this too, where you're

2419
02:22:35,799 --> 02:22:39,799
trying to make a point online and somebody comes in

2420
02:22:39,840 --> 02:22:43,680
and goes, well, what are you doing? So, I mean,

2421
02:22:44,479 --> 02:22:46,399
I might be vague, but I'm not telling you what

2422
02:22:46,440 --> 02:22:46,879
I'm doing.

2423
02:22:48,319 --> 02:22:51,799
Speaker 4: I mean, that's retarded. It's this is sort of the

2424
02:22:53,600 --> 02:22:59,520
problem with advocating. Obviously, I'm a big proponent of tribalism,

2425
02:22:59,559 --> 02:23:02,920
but what I'm mean by tribalism is not necessarily although

2426
02:23:02,920 --> 02:23:05,319
I'm not opposed to the idea of starting like a

2427
02:23:05,399 --> 02:23:07,239
literal tribe where you meet in the woods with a

2428
02:23:07,239 --> 02:23:09,840
bunch of people and do X, Y and z. That

2429
02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:12,440
is one alternative. But what I also mean is homeschool

2430
02:23:12,520 --> 02:23:14,559
co ops. What I also mean is starting your own churches.

2431
02:23:14,600 --> 02:23:14,799
Speaker 1: I mean.

2432
02:23:14,799 --> 02:23:18,920
Speaker 4: One of the things with evangelical Protestants is unlike people

2433
02:23:18,959 --> 02:23:22,680
of a papist descent like myself, I mean, there's nothing

2434
02:23:22,680 --> 02:23:25,879
stopping people from organizing a new church with a pastor

2435
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:28,520
who is a Bible believer in organizing on that front,

2436
02:23:28,920 --> 02:23:31,719
you don't have to wait for blessing from high command

2437
02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:33,920
to move forward with any of this stuff. There are

2438
02:23:33,920 --> 02:23:35,600
lots of things people can do, but one of the

2439
02:23:35,600 --> 02:23:38,520
things that you shouldn't do is broadcast to all in

2440
02:23:38,600 --> 02:23:41,520
sundry who you are, what you're doing, all the names

2441
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:43,479
of your members, where they work, What are the best

2442
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:46,079
ways that they can have pressure brought to brayer on them.

2443
02:23:46,479 --> 02:23:48,920
I mean, this is not going to the biggest thing

2444
02:23:49,000 --> 02:23:50,840
that is getting in the way of people. And this

2445
02:23:50,879 --> 02:23:58,200
is another lesson from fifteen sixteen. People are generally as

2446
02:23:58,319 --> 02:24:01,559
right wing as they feel themselves to be allowed to

2447
02:24:01,600 --> 02:24:06,520
be both morally and practically. I mean, for me, being

2448
02:24:06,639 --> 02:24:08,239
right wing, if we want to use just such a

2449
02:24:08,239 --> 02:24:11,520
crude term, but it's basically just being militantly pro your

2450
02:24:11,559 --> 02:24:14,840
own side. It's militant pro common sense, like, yeah, the

2451
02:24:14,840 --> 02:24:17,040
group that I'm with should be stronger and more prosperous,

2452
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:18,639
and the groups that don't like me, I don't want

2453
02:24:18,639 --> 02:24:20,559
them to have power. I mean, it's very simple, but

2454
02:24:20,600 --> 02:24:25,159
it's very straightforward. But if you've got people screaming at

2455
02:24:25,200 --> 02:24:28,600
you that that's wrong, especially because your group is inherently

2456
02:24:28,600 --> 02:24:32,360
depraved or inherently racist, as Robin di'angelo teaches, you know,

2457
02:24:32,399 --> 02:24:35,159
all whites are racist, no matter what you do. Like that.

2458
02:24:35,159 --> 02:24:38,040
That is the mainstream consensus on what racism is, whether

2459
02:24:38,040 --> 02:24:39,600
you like it or not. You know, don't take it

2460
02:24:39,639 --> 02:24:41,840
from me, take it from the people who are teaching

2461
02:24:41,840 --> 02:24:46,280
your diversity classes. And if you live in a society

2462
02:24:46,319 --> 02:24:49,360
where if you even associate with the wrong person, you

2463
02:24:49,399 --> 02:24:51,479
could not just lose your job, but you're also going

2464
02:24:51,520 --> 02:24:54,360
to have pressure put on your family, people pressuring your

2465
02:24:54,360 --> 02:24:56,719
family to disown you. You might lose your bank account,

2466
02:24:56,760 --> 02:24:59,280
you might lose house, you might lose all sorts of things.

2467
02:24:59,280 --> 02:25:01,120
You know, the les aren't going to care too much

2468
02:25:01,159 --> 02:25:03,280
if you've got threats being made against you and whatever else,

2469
02:25:04,719 --> 02:25:07,000
you have to give people a certain amount of cover

2470
02:25:07,079 --> 02:25:10,600
from that when you have Yeah, at some level, everybody

2471
02:25:10,639 --> 02:25:12,639
just kind of needs to be tougher and put up

2472
02:25:12,639 --> 02:25:14,879
with this stuff. But if the political advice you have

2473
02:25:15,000 --> 02:25:19,079
for everybody is, hey, just be tougher or you know,

2474
02:25:19,159 --> 02:25:22,040
be more heroic or overcome everything in the name of

2475
02:25:22,079 --> 02:25:26,200
your ideal, that's not very good practical advice. And you know,

2476
02:25:26,239 --> 02:25:29,799
I encourage especially when someone like me is talking. If

2477
02:25:29,799 --> 02:25:31,959
someone like me is telling you, like charge the guns,

2478
02:25:32,040 --> 02:25:35,000
or everybody follow me like yeah, If everybody just shuts

2479
02:25:35,040 --> 02:25:36,680
up and follow me, like yeah, I think we're all

2480
02:25:36,680 --> 02:25:37,920
going to win. But the fact is I work for

2481
02:25:38,040 --> 02:25:39,680
Jared Taylor, Like I'm not going to get fired for

2482
02:25:39,719 --> 02:25:44,000
saying this stuff. You are, And so what I say

2483
02:25:44,079 --> 02:25:47,479
needs to be taken with caution and with a recognition

2484
02:25:47,760 --> 02:25:51,239
of where everybody's circumstances are. And I am not one

2485
02:25:51,239 --> 02:25:54,719
of these people who thinks that like treason is the

2486
02:25:54,760 --> 02:25:58,239
same as caution. And we are going to need to

2487
02:25:58,239 --> 02:26:00,680
be forgiving, and we are going to need to be

2488
02:26:01,319 --> 02:26:04,079
patient with leading our people forward, because at the end

2489
02:26:04,120 --> 02:26:05,520
of the day, what we need to do more than

2490
02:26:05,559 --> 02:26:07,920
anything else is not just make the case, because I

2491
02:26:07,920 --> 02:26:09,639
think the case has kind of been made, and there

2492
02:26:09,639 --> 02:26:11,239
are a lot of people who already agree with us.

2493
02:26:11,440 --> 02:26:14,920
They're just scared and they need moral support, but even

2494
02:26:14,920 --> 02:26:17,479
more than that, they need material support so they're able

2495
02:26:17,559 --> 02:26:21,520
to take action without losing everything. And that's and how

2496
02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:23,000
do you do that? Well, there are lots of good

2497
02:26:23,040 --> 02:26:26,079
ways to do that, but again, you don't broadcast what

2498
02:26:26,120 --> 02:26:28,159
they are to the entire world, because then they won't

2499
02:26:28,200 --> 02:26:29,360
work for much longer, will they?

2500
02:26:30,680 --> 02:26:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent, one hundred percent couldn't agree more.

2501
02:26:34,760 --> 02:26:37,920
All right, remind everybody where they can find your stuff,

2502
02:26:38,040 --> 02:26:40,760
and we will end this well.

2503
02:26:41,000 --> 02:26:43,920
Speaker 4: I'm writing over at amerand dot com. I will be

2504
02:26:43,959 --> 02:26:47,639
speaking at the American Renaissance Conference in August. I would

2505
02:26:47,639 --> 02:26:50,520
also encourage people to go to vider dot com. There

2506
02:26:50,600 --> 02:26:55,639
is going to be a conference this month happening fairly soon.

2507
02:26:55,959 --> 02:26:57,799
You can you know Lydia Brima if you want to

2508
02:26:57,799 --> 02:27:01,040
come to that. Steve Sailor will also be speaking at that.

2509
02:27:01,040 --> 02:27:04,479
That's gonna be a really big event because Steve Sailor

2510
02:27:04,479 --> 02:27:06,520
doesn't do speaking engagements all that often, so that's going

2511
02:27:06,559 --> 02:27:10,360
to be a very significant one. And I have another

2512
02:27:10,680 --> 02:27:13,159
major event coming up in the next couple of weeks

2513
02:27:13,159 --> 02:27:17,040
which I will be telling everybody about once I get

2514
02:27:17,079 --> 02:27:19,920
back from one of these things that you don't broadcast

2515
02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:23,639
what you're gonna do, Greg, thank you very much, thanks

2516
02:27:23,680 --> 02:27:24,840
for having me on. I appreciate it.