WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:07.320 You're listening to KFI AM sixty on demand. D Welcome 2 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:08.279 to the Jesus Christ Show. 3 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:10.160 Good morning. 4 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:13.000 My problem is my family and the Bible. 5 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:15.039 Okay, and not a good start. 6 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.760 Weird, but hello, yeah I'm here. 7 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:21.920 Okay, this may sound weird, but our whole family was 8 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:26.480 raised in Catholicism back in the days, and then life happened, 9 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:31.320 and I don't read the Bible. I try to run 10 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:33.520 my life with what I believe in my heart and 11 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:35.079 according I believe. 12 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:36.520 That I'm taking in the principles. 13 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:40.320 But most of my family are what people call the thumpers. 14 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:44.799 They take everything literally, and I can't talk to anymore 15 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:47.920 because they just push it in my face. 16 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:52.320 Instead of like practicing what I think they're reading. But 17 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:52.759 they don't. 18 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:56.240 I don't believe they practice it, and so I can't communicate, 19 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.359 and I feel like I'm wrong or they're right. 20 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:01.439 Used I'm confused. 21 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:04.920 Well, it's not necessarily either, or it could be both, 22 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:07.840 and you can learn something and so can they. Wouldn't 23 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:10.959 you agree? Sure, it doesn't have to be you're wrong 24 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:13.680 or or they are wrong. It's not about that necessarily. 25 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:15.920 Maybe maybe there's some learning that can be done on 26 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:21.959 both sides. Because you know, people often just get to 27 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.959 into that mindset that they're wrong or you're wrong. And 28 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:27.120 I would say that you have every right to be 29 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:30.040 left alone and to not have them cram it down 30 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:32.680 your throat, because you know what happens when people cram 31 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:33.359 things down your. 32 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:35.959 Throat, Well you don't listen. 33 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:38.840 Well you're throw them back up, probably right, you know. 34 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:41.439 And it's not fair, and it's it's there's nothing in 35 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:44.000 scripture that says, you know, take this book and see 36 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:47.840 if you can feed it to somebody in thirty seconds. 37 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:51.879 It's not fair. But also they're not here to defend themselves. 38 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:54.159 So we'll just look at you if we could, candy, 39 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:57.040 and just look at ways that you can deal with this. 40 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:00.159 I prefer the direct, honest route. 41 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:00.560 You know. 42 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:02.480 If somebody's doing that, just say, hey, listen. I know 43 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:04.680 that you think you're trying to do something good for me, 44 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:08.400 but really it's off putting. It just bothers me. It 45 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:13.280 seems it seems hoity and above, and you make me 46 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:16.919 feel bad about myself and I don't think that that's 47 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:21.080 that's productive. And you make me question things, but not 48 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:23.360 in a good way. You might make me question wanting 49 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:28.159 to talk to you or be around you, and really 50 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:30.759 if you want to have an open discussion to talk 51 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:33.280 about things. There might be times where it's appropriate and 52 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:36.120 where I would welcome it, but not every day. Sometimes 53 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:37.560 I just miss you guys, or want to see you 54 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:39.599 or want to talk with you, or want to hang out. 55 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:46.439 And about starting at the beginning and how people don't 56 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:48.800 do that when they share their faith, they just want 57 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:51.120 to kind of cram it down your throat rather than 58 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:53.800 just saying, hey, listen, this is some experiences I've had, 59 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:56.759 or this is why I have gone down the path 60 00:02:56.800 --> 00:03:00.000 that I have, or why I'm no longer a probably 61 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:03.680 and Catholic or whatever. Their change may be. Like the 62 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:06.360 way you put it, that life does happen and people change, 63 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:09.240 but it's not fair. You have every right to say 64 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:11.479 this is not what I'm interested in or what I 65 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:16.479 want to hear about. Having said that, I will because 66 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:19.400 you brought it up. I will say that I'm always 67 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:23.759 concerned about people who because both sides are a little extreme. 68 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:25.800 You've got somebody who seems like they're not living it, 69 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:29.319 but they're just cramming it down other people's throats, as 70 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:31.879 you put it, and say that they're not really living it. 71 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:34.199 They're just talking about it. And then on the other hand, 72 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:37.520 you have somebody like yourself. You described that you, well, 73 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:39.599 I believe that I'm kind of living these tenets or 74 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:44.719 these beliefs, and that concerns me as well. I recently 75 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.960 had a conversation d with someone who was saying, well, 76 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:50.639 I'm a good person, and isn't that all that matters 77 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:52.520 is if you're a good person and you live this way. 78 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:55.879 And I said, no, it really isn't. That's a part 79 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:58.759 of it, but it's not the whole thing. And they 80 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:01.159 were having a hard time understand that. And I explained 81 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:06.840 to them that, for instance, in a marriage all good 82 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:10.680 in all good marriages, there's not infidelity. Right, So if 83 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:12.439 you're gonna have a if if you're gonna have a 84 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:15.479 good marriage, it can't be sleeping around as well, Right, 85 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:18.079 that's not going to produce a good marriage. However, just 86 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:20.319 because you're not sleeping around doesn't mean you have a 87 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:20.839 good marriage. 88 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:22.160 Right, that's true. 89 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:26.199 Okay, So okay, So my point here is that just 90 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:29.519 because you're living a good life doesn't mean that you're 91 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:32.360 right with God or that you're under you know, you're 92 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:36.079 understanding or taking in the truths of God or what 93 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:39.319 God will have you do. Just because you're not sinning. Uh, 94 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:44.279 it takes more to So the absence of doing bad 95 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:46.399 doesn't mean that you're good. It just means you're not 96 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:51.279 doing those things. For first Secondly, there's other parts of 97 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:55.639 that good that are more important, and those are the 98 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:58.240 reasons for the laws or the reasons for what you're 99 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:02.199 doing that is called good. So in the process of 100 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:05.399 a law, there's the law. And I always use this 101 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:09.399 example because people remember it simply is the speed limit. Okay, 102 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:12.759 it's fifty five sixty five miles per hour on the highways. 103 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:15.720 So that's the law, and you could say I'm driving 104 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:18.560 fifty five sixty five. But the spirit of the law 105 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:21.519 is what's important, and that is that driving in a 106 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:25.639 safe manner keeps people from dying or getting hurt. So 107 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:29.720 people's people not getting hurt is more important than the law, 108 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:32.399 because that's what the law is all about. So it's 109 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:35.360 not why you're good or that you're being good, it's 110 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:38.160 why you're good. It's important. So if you're good just 111 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:41.319 because well culture says to do it this way, that's 112 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:45.000 not really necessarily good because some cultures can be wrong. 113 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.439 If it's because God says to do it this way, 114 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:52.600 and God is the creator or the author of all creation, 115 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.319 well then you need to know more about God to 116 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:57.800 understand the purpose of what you're doing and why it's good. 117 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:01.720 So that's why I say it's not just about being good, 118 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:04.800 because like the marriage analogy, you can have a bad 119 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:08.279 marriage and not be sleeping around with other people. However, 120 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:10.439 you can't have a good marriage and be sleeping around 121 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:14.560 with people the old you know, uh what they call 122 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:18.160 an informal logical fallacy. All police carry guns, but not 123 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:21.319 everybody that carries a gun is a police. So in 124 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:25.199 this particular sense, yes, all people who are living a 125 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:27.800 life for God should be doing good things, but not 126 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:29.839 everybody who is doing good things is living a life 127 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:34.160 for God. So that's what I want you to think about, 128 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:36.879 d because you called, and so I want to I 129 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:38.600 want to impart you with something because you're the one 130 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:41.920 brave enough to call, and they're not here to defend themselves. However, 131 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:46.399 do I condone condone people Bible thumping and cramming their 132 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.360 faith down in your throat. Absolutely positively not. And if 133 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:52.720 you told me you were an happy, happy atheist and 134 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.160 you didn't want that. I think you absolutely should have 135 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:56.160 the right to be such. 136 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:00.199 Well, what should I do then? Do you feel that 137 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:03.160 I should be bridging the gap to reconnect with them, 138 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:06.959 because that's what I should be doing, even though when 139 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:10.319 they talk to me, I feel that it's evil coming 140 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:10.759 at me. 141 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:13.079 Well, if you genuinely miss them, I think you can 142 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:15.199 call them and say, you know what, I genuinely miss you. 143 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:17.839 I miss I miss this. I miss when you tell jokes. 144 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:20.399 I miss when we would bake together. I miss when 145 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:22.240 we would talk about books that we read that weren't 146 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:24.720 the Bible. I missed that when we talked about movies 147 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:28.199 we watch. I miss the person I grew up with. 148 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:31.480 And I just wanted you to know the reason why 149 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:35.079 I'm missing that, the reason why I've sacrificed that in 150 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:38.519 my life, because every time we get together, it's about X, 151 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:42.040 Y and Z, and I can't build a relationship with that. 152 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:45.680 That's not a relationship builder. Do you think that I 153 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.759 sat around the fire with the twelve and only talked 154 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:51.040 about the Bible all the time. No, that's just not 155 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:54.199 the way things work. And in this particular case, the 156 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:56.519 best thing to do is to be very honest with 157 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:59.720 them and say, I know this may come across as hurtful, 158 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.399 and it's not that I'm not curious, and it's not 159 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:04.600 that I don't want to grow, but the way you're 160 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:08.800 doing it to me, it offends me and it makes 161 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:11.000 me not want to see you. And if you tell 162 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:13.480 me that that's the way it's going to be, then 163 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:15.360 I respect that and I'll go on my merry way. 164 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:17.639 But I do miss you and I do miss us 165 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:23.240 having normal interaction and you know those things, and just 166 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:26.360 explain that to them and if if they listen, they listen, 167 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:29.120 and hopefully, you know, God will plant that seed in 168 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:32.639 their heart will grow, and if they choose to reject it, 169 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:33.679 then you move on. 170 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:37.440 Okay, thank you very much. 171 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:39.559 Well, thank you for calling D very brave of you 172 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:43.519 and I and I always like when when someone calls 173 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:47.559 who's uh, you know, maybe being mistreated by Christians or 174 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:50.000 the church. It doesn't The fact that you find this 175 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:52.639 to be a safe enough place uh to bring your 176 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:56.720 concerns really pleases me. And it doesn't mean that I'm 177 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:59.320 always going to agree with you. Doesn't mean that in 178 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:02.840 your eyes, I will always treat you nicely. Some people 179 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:08.000 don't see tough love or a firm response as nice 180 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:10.639 and I don't understand that, but the fact that you 181 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:13.840 called d pleases me, and that you're very brave and 182 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:22.919 stand your ground and truth will out on both sides. Frank, 183 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:24.120 Welcome to the Jesus CHRISTO. 184 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:29.279 Hi Jesus, Frank. Thank you for your show and I 185 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:33.600 appreciating them, enjoy especially all your analogies. 186 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:34.919 Oh thank you. 187 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:36.039 Well, you know what they're like. 188 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:40.240 Yes, analogies are like I got another one for you, Frank, 189 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.919 what if there were no hypothetical questions? 190 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:46.200 Anyways? 191 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:49.559 My question is something I have kind of a problem with. 192 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:52.399 I'm a believer in you, and I believe you are 193 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:57.000 who you said you are. And I have a hard 194 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:01.320 time thinking that people of other religions, maybe especially the 195 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:07.399 Abrahamic religions, are not in fact praying to the same God, 196 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:10.600 the Father God, that I pray to. And I wondered 197 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:16.200 if does God not here since the sincere prayer and 198 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:19.960 intention of people of other religions. 199 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:19.799 And. 200 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:24.639 I have a hard time believing these people are not 201 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:29.639 saved and go to heaven as as. 202 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:33.200 Many people sort of taught kind of an ugly thought. 203 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:37.200 It seems awkward to think that God, that God would 204 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:38.320 work in that way, doesn't it. 205 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:42.399 Yeah, yeah, I mean just that's I mean, I have 206 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:46.639 to live with my head in my rationale of things 207 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:49.120 no matter what I hear or what I you know, 208 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:53.960 it's hard to believe that. I mean, there's so many good, 209 00:10:55.879 --> 00:11:00.559 good people, wonderful people, maybe people better than someone, some 210 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:04.360 people who are received or say they received Jesus christis 211 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:10.960 their savior. Okay, this is difficult for me too to rationalize, 212 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:11.240 you know. 213 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:15.240 Okay, So let's ask ourselves those questions and think about 214 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:22.200 the possible responses. And there's the sincerity, the human touch 215 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:24.759 on things and getting wrapped up in the humanity of 216 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.519 something is good. I mean, you're human. That's the purpose 217 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.519 of it. Is to think humanly about the way you 218 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:33.440 interact with the world and the way the world interacts 219 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:38.679 with you and to you. It's legitimate and fair to 220 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:42.000 have differing opinions and thoughts out there. However, if you're 221 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:46.080 a math teacher, you wouldn't allow that same premise. You 222 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:49.039 wouldn't say, well, whatever you think two plus two equals 223 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:52.240 is fine. If you were a chemist, you wouldn't do that. 224 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:54.759 A scientist, you wouldn't do that. A baker, You wouldn't 225 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:59.240 do that. Well, one cup, one tablespoon, you know they 226 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:02.240 both have flower or in it. No, the recipe comes 227 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:05.639 out completely different, as does the equation, as does the 228 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:09.120 chemical compound, as does all of these things. That's just 229 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:12.639 the way life works. In truth, the emotional aspect of 230 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:16.320 it is when you think, really, what comes down to 231 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:20.360 it is if you think that way, it's you're not 232 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:25.240 putting enough importance on the absolute nature of God. You're 233 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:30.080 making God kind of chameleon like, well, God can look 234 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:33.919 the other way on this. Well, that's not up to Frank, 235 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:39.000 that's up to God. Right, So hold on tight. We 236 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:40.519 got to take a quick break, but I want you 237 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:42.360 to hang on, Frank, because I want to explain some 238 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:45.320 more things in just a moment as to why that's 239 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:49.080 different and why differing views may have problems, and where 240 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:51.159 that lands, and why that's not just an ugly part 241 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:58.240 of God we've been talking with Frank. Frank, your question 242 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:02.879 essentially is, you know, does God respect all religions? And 243 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:11.440 I know you mentioned the Abrahammick belief systems, but ultimately 244 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:15.720 it's very human to go, you know what, God should 245 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:18.600 be fair and kind of give somebody a pass here, 246 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.879 give somebody a pass there. But if you read through scripture, 247 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:26.279 the whole problem lie lays in the fact that everybody 248 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:29.240 wanted to pass all the time, and the people of 249 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:31.879 Israel wanted to pass, and there was always well, can't 250 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:33.879 we just do this? Can't we just do that? There 251 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:38.000 has to be a right way. There has to be 252 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:41.399 otherwise you can't. If there's no right way, then you 253 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:43.519 can't do anything wrong. And if you can't do anything 254 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:47.960 wrong that there's no morality. There's no otness, there's no ethos, 255 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.960 there's no mora's, there's no there's none of that because 256 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:56.759 there's no implied should do or implied should not do? 257 00:13:57.480 --> 00:13:57.639 Right. 258 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:00.519 You kind of need that in life. 259 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:04.720 No, I think I do. But I think there are 260 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:08.559 people and other religions who are extremely moral and have, 261 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:13.240 you know, very even strict moral codes, and are very 262 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:18.720 good people, and they're not contrary to even the ways 263 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:20.240 I act like a good Christian. 264 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.519 Okay, should be Let's take it off of good person 265 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:27.240 because person is so ambiguous. It's really well, that means 266 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:29.120 you don't murder. Let's take it off that and say 267 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:33.519 a good soldier. Now, if you said somebody was being 268 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:39.639 a good soldier. That would imply specific understandings, and no 269 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:41.799 longer you get out of the ambiguity of oh, well, 270 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:45.480 they're a good person, because nobody wants to judge what 271 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:47.720 a good person is. That's where the problem lies. That's 272 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:50.200 where your humanity comes in. Frank you don't want to 273 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:54.919 judge another person for being human. But God can. And 274 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.519 so if I say soldier, if I put one modifier, 275 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:00.919 or a good cook or a good chef, and all 276 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.480 those those those things could be subjective. If you say 277 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:09.039 good baker, not really subjective because bakery is more science 278 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.919 based in the fact that it's it's very measurement focused, 279 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:14.799 in chemistry focused. But if you go through these things 280 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:16.440 and you say, oh, they're good this or get it. 281 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:19.960 Once you add a modifier, you feel it's okay to 282 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:21.759 define whether they're good at it or not. They're a 283 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:24.840 good mechanic, they're a good driver. But when you say 284 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:27.159 good person is where you get Oh, I don't feel 285 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:30.279 I don't feel okay about defining that. But God can. 286 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:32.919 God can say it's you're not a good person because 287 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:36.000 you don't murder someone. There's more to it than that. 288 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.919 God is the author of those rules. To begin with. 289 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:43.360 So God can say when they're applied properly or not. 290 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:47.039 Now you get into the different faiths. Yes, it seems 291 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:50.200 very awkward and rude as a human being to go 292 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:53.320 there wrong. But you brought up the word sincere a 293 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:57.559 couple of times, and and you can be sincere and 294 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:02.960 be sincerely wrong. Yes, And so that applies to many things, 295 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:09.840 including religion. And it's not about it's not about the belief. 296 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:14.080 It's about what you reject. And if you're rejecting God 297 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:20.960 on God's rules, God's wants, God's demands, then you're wrong. 298 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:26.279 So it's not about while Christians are better than Muslims, 299 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:30.639 or Muslims are better than Jews, it's not about that. 300 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.159 That's a human desire to want to say my club's 301 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:36.559 better than yours. You separate the club factor. It's not 302 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:40.039 about that. It's God saying this is how you get 303 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.679 in my house. Now, If that's like me saying that 304 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:46.159 it's weird that when you go to your house, Frank, 305 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:50.639 that people have to take their shoes off, that's like saying, well, 306 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:54.000 that's wrong. Why would no, it's Frank's house. If you 307 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:57.679 want your visitors take their shoes off, that's right in 308 00:16:57.799 --> 00:17:01.840 your house. Correct, correct, Because whether it's you know, some 309 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:04.519 silly reason, maybe you've got white carpet. I've never understood 310 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:06.599 white people get white carpet and then nobody's allowed to 311 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:09.119 walk on it. But let's say you have white carpet, Frank, 312 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:12.799 and you don't want anybody walking with their soiled feet 313 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:16.160 on it. You say, take your shoes off. That's your rule. 314 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:20.759 Now you may not feel comfortable telling everybody that that's wrong, 315 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:23.119 but when it comes to your house and who gets 316 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:25.720 in your house, that's okay. And I'm saying, when it 317 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:30.720 comes to my house, which is Heaven, there's one way in. 318 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:38.119 That's the understand who I am. That's important. Now people say, oh, 319 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:39.440 so you could be a murder and do whatever, and 320 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:41.799 all you got to understand is Jesus is God. No, 321 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:45.640 because if you understand that Jesus is God, you're not 322 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:46.599 going to be out murdering. 323 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:52.640 So people of other religions who have indeed heard your 324 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:56.400 name and know about you and reject it and reject 325 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:02.319 it are in fact not safe. And that's the story 326 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:02.960 for them. 327 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:05.640 Well, let me put it to you this way. If 328 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:09.240 if there's a grocery store at the end of main 329 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:12.079 Street and you tell them there's a grocery store at 330 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:14.200 the end of main street and they reject that. Will 331 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:16.000 they ever get to the grocery store at the end 332 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:21.319 of main street? Why is that difficult? That is not 333 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:24.079 about It's that people keep wanting to put the names 334 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:26.559 in the faces of these religions so that it pulls 335 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:28.920 on your heartstrings. You go, these are people. Of course, 336 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:32.240 there are many cults out there, and I'm not talking 337 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:35.000 about the mainstream religion. I'm talking about many factions and 338 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:40.200 cults filled with good people, right, but they're horrible, horrible 339 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:45.319 belief systems that are damaging to those individuals. And that's like, 340 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:48.079 do you want a sincere doctor or do you want 341 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:55.240 an educated and a doctor who's efficient. I mean, well, 342 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:58.240 I really really thought I could do brain surgery. I 343 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:02.599 really believed it. I really believed it. That's not what 344 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:06.400 you want. And so it's not just about those things. 345 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:10.160 And I know it sounds nasty because now because people think, well, 346 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:13.440 now it's Frank saying that his religion's right. No, truth 347 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:15.559 is truth is truth? When you say two plus two 348 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:19.480 equals four, that's not oh, Frank says his math is right. No, 349 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:21.359 that's two plus two equals four. 350 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:27.480 Okay, so here we have I believe, accept, and believe 351 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:31.079 everything you're saying, and from the get go I believe 352 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:36.200 in you. Now, for me personally, I don't seem to 353 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:42.359 have any particular, you know, impetus to go out and evangelize. 354 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.160 I feel that if people have heard your name and 355 00:19:46.839 --> 00:19:51.440 God knows you're you're you're everywhere and the news and 356 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:54.839 the churches and in schools and everywhere, I don't I 357 00:19:54.839 --> 00:19:57.799 don't feel the need to go out and everybody I 358 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:02.880 meet say, listen, you know I'm a Christian and this 359 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:05.400 is this is it and you should be and you 360 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:09.480 you know. So I don't know how to how to 361 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:10.160 deal with that. 362 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:13.039 You know, well, Frank, let me tell you something. You 363 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:16.240 drive up in a beautiful car, what's the first thing? 364 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:20.160 And another guy says, hey, wow, that's beautiful. Where'd you 365 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:23.000 get it? How fast is it? Wants to know about 366 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:26.119 it immediately. If you lose weight, you come into work 367 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:30.160 losing thirty pounds, what's first thing? Someone says, Oh, my goodness, 368 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:34.960 how'd you do it? Someone who people life, they exactly 369 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:37.319 And it doesn't mean that you shouldn't share it. It 370 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:41.039 means that sometimes I hound Christians for being so darn 371 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:44.039 lazy because they prefer to talk about it rather than 372 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:46.359 do it in a way that inspires other people to 373 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:49.480 ask questions. On one, Peter three fifteen says, to sanctify 374 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:54.119 Jesus's Lord in your heart, be ready to give a defense, 375 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:56.920 to give an answer to those who ask about the 376 00:20:56.920 --> 00:20:59.839 hope that lies within you, with meekness and reverence. Now, 377 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:03.920 now that is such a beautiful synopsis of the whole thing. First, 378 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:06.119 it's about God. God's got to be first in your 379 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:09.880 life individually. Second, live in a way that people want 380 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:12.160 to ask you about who you are and why you 381 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:14.279 are the way you are, and be ready to give 382 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:17.440 them a legitimate answer when they ask, and always do 383 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:21.480 it in meekness and reverence. So being kind and respectful. 384 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:25.799 And when Christians we heard calls earlier would get people 385 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:29.720 that are being mean spirited or saying, well, this is 386 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:31.680 the truth. So I got to pound it. Could you 387 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:36.160 imagine if a teacher did that, the kid would reject it. Yeah, 388 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:39.359 So it's a matter of finding a balanced way, Frank 389 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:43.160 to express these things. But I guarantee people desire to 390 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:43.920 know truth. 391 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:44.279 They do. 392 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:48.400 Everyone does and if they see you reacting to something truly, 393 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:51.119 because remember, it's not what people say, it's not how 394 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:53.720 they act, it's how they react to something that really 395 00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:56.839 shows you the character of who they are. And because 396 00:21:56.839 --> 00:21:59.279 they're taking off guard and its spur the moment and 397 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:03.839 they're reacting. And so when they see you react painful 398 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:06.279 things or through things in your life or whatever you're 399 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:10.599 going through, and you react to a certain way, they want 400 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:12.960 to know, how can you how can you deal with 401 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:17.319