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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and seven, a man in the checked

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<v Speaker 1>town of Curim turned his baby monitor on, expecting to

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<v Speaker 1>see his own sleeping child, and instead what he saw

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<v Speaker 1>was a grainy feet of an unknown boy locked in

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<v Speaker 1>a dark room, bruised and terrified. That accidental glimpse of

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<v Speaker 1>horror pulled police into a secret world hidden behind an

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<v Speaker 1>ordinary front door, and by the time investigators uncovered the truth,

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<v Speaker 1>the case had spiraled into one of Europe's strangest stories

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<v Speaker 1>of abuse, deception, and calculated manipulation that no one could

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<v Speaker 1>have ever seen coming. This is the story simply known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Curum Case.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a.

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<v Speaker 1>True crime podcasting following you more mature audience listener. It

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<v Speaker 1>is frosty and foggy out this morning, and oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks creepy. Did you notice that tree over there?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's weird. We have the creepiest tree in the field,

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<v Speaker 2>like tree line that we've never noticed. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's just being hit right right now with the light

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like very eerie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's no leaves on it. It's like back lit

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<v Speaker 1>by white is white fog and then everything is like frosted,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's really standing out in like contrast, we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really notice how creepy it looked before. It's almost as

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<v Speaker 1>creepy as the tree in our logo. It's the same

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<v Speaker 1>kind of tree, cottonwood tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just a little bit smaller, I would I

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<v Speaker 2>would say it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not as it's not as creepy as our our

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<v Speaker 1>logo tree, but it is. It is very akin to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it's showing off today.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. Has anyone else started their Christmas shopping? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I know Nicole has. She's been in like full Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>shopping mode. And maybe it's all the frost that's hitting

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<v Speaker 1>those trees that's getting you in that mood. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well really only since like Sunday, I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, and it's been full force.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the reason behind this is because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't love how busy the shops get, Like the closer

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<v Speaker 2>you get to Christmas, Yeah, and they're starting to get

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<v Speaker 2>really busy, and I'm just like already a little bit panicking,

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<v Speaker 2>not panicking, but my.

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<v Speaker 1>People anxiety levels.

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<v Speaker 2>You're already spiked your people's skills, your so I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta get this shit done because I can't handle

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<v Speaker 2>this if it gets even more busy.

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<v Speaker 1>There needs to be a word for that. You're you're

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<v Speaker 1>peopling ability. I don't know. Yeah, I know you're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>but I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know what would be the word for that, Your.

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<v Speaker 1>Social level, your social media I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, something like that capacity. There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Anyways, Nicole may or may not be

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<v Speaker 1>getting sick, so she might sound a little interesting today

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<v Speaker 1>where we're still figuring out if it's just because she's

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<v Speaker 1>groggy because she just woke up, or if she's actually

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<v Speaker 1>getting sick. Hopefully it's not the latter.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I didn't feel great last night either, so

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's something. But we'll just see if it

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<v Speaker 2>amounts to much. Hopefully it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, fingers crossed for you. Maybe we'll make you some

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<v Speaker 1>tea and some hot chocolate and soup and stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>that and make you feel better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm about to go clean a chicken coop after this.

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<v Speaker 2>You think that will that will help?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not. Well, I don't know if this case will

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<v Speaker 1>help at all. But it is a dang interesting one,

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<v Speaker 1>that is for sure. It is known as the Curum case,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was requested on Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>So it sounds pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So we did a whole like request feed we do frequently,

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<v Speaker 1>like at least once a month, once a month or

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<v Speaker 1>so like something like that. We do requests and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and Julie actually requested this one. And Julie's

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<v Speaker 1>been a part of our Patreon family and all that

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time. And as soon as she drops

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<v Speaker 1>a case, I know it's going to be a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>So right out of the gate it piqued my interests.

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<v Speaker 1>I started digging into it and I was like, damn son, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, and this is a two parters.

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<v Speaker 1>It not it is going to be two part well

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<v Speaker 1>it's in the title on part ten. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>two parter, so if you miss it in the title, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the first part of the Kurum case. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if my English translations of many of

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<v Speaker 1>these names and locations are going to be all that great,

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<v Speaker 1>but bear with me. I will be doing my best.

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<v Speaker 1>I have done like Google pronunciations and stuff on them,

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<v Speaker 1>so just an FYI own that, but even still, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna do my best. Let's pove it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know, we get we do get flat for

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<v Speaker 2>that sometimes and we literally do Google pronunciation just so

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<v Speaker 2>everybody is aware.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but it steers us wrong many a times. Other

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<v Speaker 1>other times it's it's like, oh, well that's obvious, see

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<v Speaker 1>how you pronounce it, and it's still just wrong, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't Google Google pronounce it because we're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's you know this, And then no, it's there's actually

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<v Speaker 1>an accent or that's a silent l or who.

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<v Speaker 2>Knows right, So oh yeah, absolutely. When you don't live

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<v Speaker 2>in the area, sometimes it's very hard to know how

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<v Speaker 2>some thing's pronounced.

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<v Speaker 1>Right or sure, there's a lot of places in British

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<v Speaker 1>Columbia where we live that we know how to pronounce that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know people have pronounced horrifically wrong. Yeah, in podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just part of the nature of storytelling, it is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I digress. I'm going to do my best, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's time to get into this.

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<v Speaker 2>O hey, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So on May seventh, two thousand and seven, Kurum resident

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<v Speaker 1>Edward Trida was standing in his living room doing something

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<v Speaker 1>patentfully ordinary. Honestly, he was trying to set up a

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<v Speaker 1>baby monitor that refused to cooperate. He flipped through the channels,

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<v Speaker 1>going through the manual, and he's expecting, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>usual static sort of thing, maybe a faint signal from

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<v Speaker 1>his son's bedroom down the hall to finally show up

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<v Speaker 1>as he's working on this, But instead of a picture

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<v Speaker 1>in from the familiar bedroom in his house, soon an

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<v Speaker 1>image sharpened that he didn't recognize. It was a small,

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<v Speaker 1>cramped space lit only by a harsh infrared light cutting

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<v Speaker 1>through the darkness. The picture was grainy, you know the

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<v Speaker 1>way old security cameras look, but clear enough to make

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<v Speaker 1>out a boy sitting there. He was thin, naked and

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<v Speaker 1>lying on the floor with his wrists wrapped tightly in tape.

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<v Speaker 1>He moved slowly, like every motion hurt, dragging himself inch

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<v Speaker 1>at a time. Edward froze. This wasn't his house, this

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't his son. It definitely wasn't a scene anyone ever

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<v Speaker 1>would expect to pick up on a baby monitor. He

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<v Speaker 1>waited for the image to glitch away, thinking it was

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a figment of his imagination, but it didn't. The

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<v Speaker 1>boy stayed there, shifting, weak and clearly in distress, for

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<v Speaker 1>a few moments, Edward tried to convince himself it was

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of I don't know, test feed, accidental crossover

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<v Speaker 1>from another device, like maybe a TV from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a neighborhood, a neighbor in the neighborhood. But nothing about

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<v Speaker 1>this footage looked stage, fake or harmless. The longer he stared,

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<v Speaker 1>the more obvious it became that this child clearly needed help.

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<v Speaker 1>So he did the only thing that made sense. He

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<v Speaker 1>called the police. Officers arrived quickly and watched the same

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<v Speaker 1>disturbing image on the monitor, and based on short transmission

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<v Speaker 1>ranges of this device, they realized soon that the feed

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<v Speaker 1>would have to be coming from somewhere extremely close.

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<v Speaker 2>A neighbor basically, which is terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly most likely a neighbor on the street. So when

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<v Speaker 1>officers approached that home and knocked, a woman answered calmly,

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<v Speaker 1>insisting that nothing was wrong. But at that same moment,

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<v Speaker 1>back in Edward's living room, the feed, you know, it flickered.

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<v Speaker 1>They could hear things that were happening in the house,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, it was clear this was the place. It

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<v Speaker 1>was enough for police to push past the front door,

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<v Speaker 1>and they didn't know it yet, but they were about

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<v Speaker 1>to uncover one of the strangest and most disturbing cases

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<v Speaker 1>in modern Czech history, one that began with a baby

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<v Speaker 1>monitor as we all know, and a boy no one

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to see now before the investigation ever reached

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<v Speaker 1>that front door. Though the Minerva family seems unremarkable from

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<v Speaker 1>the outside, they were the kind of family people would

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<v Speaker 1>describe with phrases like quiet, you know, kept to themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. Clara Marnova was born on January thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy seven, the middle of three sisters. She grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in Burnout, in the household defined by routine, strict

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<v Speaker 1>morals and a heavy dose of religion. Church wasn't an

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<v Speaker 1>option for them. It was an expectation. So were the commandments,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, obedience and the idea that God had a

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<v Speaker 1>plan for everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Clara took that last part the most serious of all,

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<v Speaker 1>more serious than most do. In fact, her older sister,

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<v Speaker 1>Katerina was born in nineteen seventy three, and she did too.

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<v Speaker 1>As teenagers, the girls started talking about visions, dreams where

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<v Speaker 1>God actually showed up and singled them out, saying that

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<v Speaker 1>they were chosen for something far greater than most people. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>teachers kind of started noticing these shifts in behavior, these dreams,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, and before long social workers would get involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the girls weren't violent, but their grand ideas and

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<v Speaker 1>intense religion fixations while it raised enough red flags that

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<v Speaker 1>officials suggested psychiatric evaluation, but nothing ever came of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Their mother refused any treatment, saying instead that her daughters

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<v Speaker 1>were fine, effectively just turning a blind eye to the situation,

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<v Speaker 1>and so whatever was happening inside their heads was allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to keep unfolding, unchecked. The sisters eventually grew up, They

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<v Speaker 1>moved on, and, at least on the surface, settled into

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<v Speaker 1>adult life. Clara married a man whose name was Radic,

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<v Speaker 1>and for a while life was normal. She gave birth

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<v Speaker 1>to her first son, Jacob, at twenty and two years

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<v Speaker 1>later came Andre. She studied economics, worked in an office,

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<v Speaker 1>kept up with the bills in school schedules, just like

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<v Speaker 1>any other young mother would. But the intensity she carried

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<v Speaker 1>as a teenager, while it never really faded, and by

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<v Speaker 1>her mid twenties, the stress of marriage, motherhood, well, they

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<v Speaker 1>were enough to crack whatever stability that she built. She

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<v Speaker 1>started to become a bit withdrawn convinced once again that

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<v Speaker 1>she was meant for something far bigger, some bigger mission,

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<v Speaker 1>and that her husband and children were distracting her from

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<v Speaker 1>this mission. Arguments followed radic while he eventually found for

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<v Speaker 1>divorce with their marriage crumbling, and Clara took the boys

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<v Speaker 1>and left. This should have been a turning point where

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<v Speaker 1>she could potentially find balance or maybe you know, lead

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<v Speaker 1>on her wider family for support. Now she did lean

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<v Speaker 1>on family, but instead she drifted back to the one

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<v Speaker 1>person whose worldview mirrored her own, her sister, Katerina. They

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<v Speaker 1>moved in together and shared an apartment, two sisters, two

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<v Speaker 1>young boys, all under one roof, and for a short

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<v Speaker 1>stretch of time it worked. For this stretch, the Minerva

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<v Speaker 1>household looked like any ordinary one. After the divorce and move,

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<v Speaker 1>Clara settled into routine, one that actually made sense from

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<v Speaker 1>an outside. She worked, she parented, and she leaned on

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<v Speaker 1>her sister in any practical way that she needed to.

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<v Speaker 1>The two women lived in Burnho, sharing a modest apartment

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<v Speaker 1>of course, the boys, Jacob and Andre, were thriving. Jacob

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I think it, honestly is yes, that energy that

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<v Speaker 2>She is a good vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>She does now. Friends and co workers who knew Clara

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<v Speaker 1>during this period. Remember her as a good mother. She

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<v Speaker 1>who asked questions at parent meetings, packed lunches, and genuinely

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<v Speaker 1>looked at them then nothing would have stood out, no

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<v Speaker 1>strange behavior warning, any sort of hints on what would

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<v Speaker 1>eventually take place in the home. In fact, she might

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<v Speaker 1>even admire her for how she would be parenting.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the dynamic between the sisters it seemed balanced. Clara

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<v Speaker 1>in Katerina, she was the organized one. But under that

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<v Speaker 1>thin layer of normalcy, the old patterns were still there.

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<v Speaker 1>The grand beliefs, the unaddressed mental health issues, the religious intensity,

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<v Speaker 1>all the things at once made their teachers uneasy. It

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<v Speaker 1>had simply gone dormant underground for a while, and it

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't stay buried for long, because in two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 1>the sisters, while their quiet, predictable life changed moments a

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<v Speaker 1>new child entered the picture. It started with a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't sound unusual. Katerina mentioned a new girl at

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<v Speaker 1>the youth center, a quiet, thirteen year old named Anika,

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<v Speaker 1>who had just arrived from Norway. Her story, however, was

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<v Speaker 1>not exactly what one would call or. According to Katerina,

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<v Speaker 1>most adults could ever imagine. Both of her parents were dead,

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<v Speaker 1>and she spent years drifting through harsh orphanage jiz and

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<v Speaker 1>the abuse was so severe it left her withdrawn and

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<v Speaker 1>extremely skittish. As if that weren't enough, she was now

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly battling leukemia on top of it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 1>And she's thirteen thirteen and doctors were unsure if she'd

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, what a life? No kidding, that's really not fair. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>When Clara finally met the girl, every detail reinforced this impression.

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<v Speaker 1>Annika appeared tiny for her age. She was unnervingly thin.

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<v Speaker 1>Her shaved head even explained the chemotherapy all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>She spoke softly, hiding her face. She clung to Clara

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<v Speaker 1>more than anyone else in the room. Actually, her behavior

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<v Speaker 1>was actually a little odd, childlike at moments and strangely

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<v Speaker 1>self aware the next. But trauma can warp a young

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<v Speaker 1>person in all kinds of ways, and Clara saw this

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<v Speaker 1>frightened child who needed stability, needed help, needed someone who

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<v Speaker 1>could give affection in overwhelming doses. And when Anika leaned

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<v Speaker 1>she needed, Clara responded instinctively. I mean she was a

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<v Speaker 1>mother after all. Right. Within weeks, the girl had become

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<v Speaker 1>a near constant presence in her home and in her

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts too. What Clara didn't see, however, was how expertly

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<v Speaker 1>that girl adapted herself, how she shifted her behavior depending

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<v Speaker 1>on what could draw Clara closer, how quick she was

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<v Speaker 1>to request help or praise or even physical closeness, and

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<v Speaker 1>how she began acting as though Clara was the only

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<v Speaker 1>adult she fully trusted. It all worked exactly as this

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<v Speaker 1>girl intended, and it set the stage for a decision

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<v Speaker 1>Clara believed was both compassionate and divinely meaningful. She agreed

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<v Speaker 1>to begin the lead process to adopt this fragile, unlucky

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<v Speaker 2>So I just have to say, like Honica has been

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<v Speaker 2>living her life in foster care and has learned how

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<v Speaker 2>to just like adapt to what other people want and

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<v Speaker 2>need from her, is sort of what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Not quite. Let me explain. Okay, So what no one realized,

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<v Speaker 1>not even Clara, not the YOU Center, or the officials

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<v Speaker 1>that worked with her, or even officials that signed the

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<v Speaker 1>later adoption papers, was that this girl in front of

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<v Speaker 1>them was not a thirteen year old girl. She was

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<v Speaker 1>not a sick girl named Anica at all. Her name

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<v Speaker 1>was actually Barbara Scarlova, a fully grown woman deep into

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<v Speaker 1>her thirties, perfectly aware of the manipulation she was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, Yes, and she was under care though correct. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 2>okay I was. If I had a thousand guesses, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I would have guessed that.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think you would.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever something in Anica's story felt off, which that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be referring to her for for now, Anica, Clara

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<v Speaker 1>reassured herself that there was one thought in her head.

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<v Speaker 1>A doctor was involved. And this doctor was a specialist

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<v Speaker 1>in childhood trauma and also the same man treating her

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<v Speaker 1>for leukemia, someone who supposedly understood the girl's pain better

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<v Speaker 1>than Clara ever could. But this doctor, well, he never

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<v Speaker 1>appeared in person per se. Every instruction came through emails

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<v Speaker 1>and text messages, always late at night too. And always

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<v Speaker 1>written with a strangely commanding tone. He framed himself as

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<v Speaker 1>both a therapist and medical guardian, offering guidance that sounded

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<v Speaker 1>scientific enough to be believable, at least at first. Then

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<v Speaker 1>eventually the advice deepened into some more uncomfortable territory. He

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged Clara to give the girl long, full body massages

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<v Speaker 1>under the guise of desensitization therapy. He insisted she keep

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<v Speaker 1>close physical contact, monitor the girl's reactions constantly, and maintained

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<v Speaker 1>relentless emotional reassurance. If Clara felt unsure, he shut down

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<v Speaker 1>any doubt immediately, saying, quote, trauma survivors deteriorate when challenged. Meanwhile, Anika,

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<v Speaker 1>while she behaved exactly in ways that reinforce his claims,

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<v Speaker 1>she stopped walking, saying her legs hurt too much. She

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<v Speaker 1>refused to eat unless Clara fed her directly. She was

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<v Speaker 1>whispered accusations that they teased her, they pushed her, and

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<v Speaker 1>scared her. Of course, no one ever witnessed these moments,

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<v Speaker 1>though it was only her who had seen it happen,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, and yet the fear she projected was so

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<v Speaker 1>convincing that Clara reacted automatically, disciplining her boys and pushing

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<v Speaker 1>them away. At the same time, Little by little, Clara

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<v Speaker 1>began shaping her daily routine and life around the girl's moods.

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<v Speaker 1>Outings were canceled, family routines shifted, and the boys found

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<v Speaker 1>themselves blamed for well a lot of things more often

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<v Speaker 1>than not, and they were watched a lot more closely too,

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<v Speaker 1>and punished even more severely for things. The doctor never

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<v Speaker 1>backed off either. Each message nudged Clara a little further

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<v Speaker 1>towards the edge, and by then Clara was She was exhausted,

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally raw, and dependent on the two influences she believed

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<v Speaker 1>were guiding her, her sister and this unseen professional who

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<v Speaker 1>claimed to know exactly what this child needed. The possibility

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<v Speaker 1>that she was being manipulated will it never even registered

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<v Speaker 1>to her, But the pattern forming around her was. While

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<v Speaker 1>it was not therapeutic, it was strategic. The household was

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<v Speaker 1>slowly being reorganized around Anica, turning Clara into a servant

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<v Speaker 1>of someone she didn't actually understand, someone who had no

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<v Speaker 1>official identity. Actually, there were no documents that proved anything

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<v Speaker 1>about her past, no school file, no medical history, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>that tied Onnica to any sort of situation or institution.

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<v Speaker 1>And instead of seeing this as a warning sign, Clara

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<v Speaker 1>interpreted it as evidence of her life of hardship. Now

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<v Speaker 1>this doctor reinforces the idea too, explaining that years of

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<v Speaker 1>mistreatment and displacement had erased much of the girl's recorded history.

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<v Speaker 1>He insisted the only way to move forward was give

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<v Speaker 1>her an entirely new beginning. Now, for the adoption process,

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<v Speaker 1>authorities needed confirmation of the girl's age, So Clara brought

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<v Speaker 1>Anica to a hospital for evaluation. What Clara didn't witness

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<v Speaker 1>or didn't understand, was that someone else accompanied her Onnica

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<v Speaker 1>into the examination room. A genuine teenage girl stood in

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<v Speaker 1>for Onnica.

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<v Speaker 2>What, Okay, this is the most messed up thing I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever heard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So doctor's examine in this teenage girl as the substitute,

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<v Speaker 1>and they reasonably concluded that she was around the age

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<v Speaker 1>of thirteen or fourteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>Old, which I could see happening quite easily. Definitely that

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<v Speaker 2>you would just assume, oh, that's like her mom or

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<v Speaker 2>the one wanting to adopt her. This as the teenager

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<v Speaker 2>and Yeah, that could work. I mean, I'm probably did well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that assessment. It became the foundation of a completely

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<v Speaker 1>legal new identity. Is so now they had a forged

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<v Speaker 1>medical summary, a testimony from Clara and Katerina, and digital

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<v Speaker 1>correspondence from this so called doctor, and the court saw

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<v Speaker 1>no reason to doubt the case whatsoever. So judges and

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<v Speaker 1>social workers viewed Clara as a compassionate woman trying to

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<v Speaker 1>rescue a child who had survived unthinkable circumstances, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they approved the adoption and issued a birth certificate listing

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<v Speaker 1>the girl as Anica Mernova born December two, nineteen ninety three.

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<v Speaker 1>The reality, of course, was she was nowhere near thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>years old, was not exactly the person they thought she was.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, Barbara Scerlova, who was pretending to be this

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen year old Onika, was a person with a long

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<v Speaker 1>pattern of mimicking children in her history. She was actually

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<v Speaker 1>in her early thirties, mid thirties around there, and her

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<v Speaker 1>small stature, her youthful face, and hormonal growth disorder made

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<v Speaker 1>her disguise unusually effective. But it was her ability to

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<v Speaker 1>manipulate others that made the whole scheme possible. Once the

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<v Speaker 1>adoption was complete. Barbara didn't just have a place to stay,

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<v Speaker 1>she had a legitimate identity she could use anywhere. It

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<v Speaker 1>gave her freedom, protection, and a level of control over

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<v Speaker 1>Clara that went far beyond any sort of emotional dependence.

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<v Speaker 1>So now with it all official, the atmosphere inside the

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<v Speaker 1>Menova home changed in ways. The boys were too young

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<v Speaker 1>to understand. What had begun as minor tension grew into

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<v Speaker 1>a steady reorganization of the household, which quote unquote Anika

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<v Speaker 2>See, I still don't I'm having trouble getting this because, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't understand why. I mean, I'm sure it

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<v Speaker 2>will come very clear, but I don't understand why a

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<v Speaker 2>full grown ass woman, yeah, would want to do this

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<v Speaker 2>like you could. Why would you want to like just

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<v Speaker 2>become a child.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know. People do a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up things, and this is definitely one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I don't know, I'm just my brain is just

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<v Speaker 2>spinning because it just doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she's not wanting to become a child, per se.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think it's more about the manipulation on

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<v Speaker 1>other people, so she gets free living, free food, people

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<v Speaker 1>who are caring for her, doting on her, and all

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I guess I just feel like it would

420
00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:49.680
<v Speaker 2>be so much easier to get a job and then

421
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<v Speaker 2>you can to get your own apartment and like.

422
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<v Speaker 1>Live your life, and would definitely be the more legal

423
00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:56.799
<v Speaker 1>way of going yeah, the more ethical way of outgoing

424
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<v Speaker 1>about it. But instead she chose this for whatever reason.

425
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:03.279
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like that would just be all around

426
00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:05.480
<v Speaker 2>a better choice. But okay, here we are.

427
00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Here we are now. The first major step was pulling

428
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<v Speaker 1>the boys out of school. Clara told teachers it was temporary,

429
00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's part of a home base program recommended

430
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<v Speaker 1>by this doctor. She repeated the same explanation to their

431
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.519
<v Speaker 1>father and other relatives too when asked about it. But

432
00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:26.000
<v Speaker 1>the reality was she was eliminating outside influence. With the

433
00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.079
<v Speaker 1>boys at home full time, the household became a closed

434
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:32.720
<v Speaker 1>loop where every interaction took place under the watchful eye

435
00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:37.240
<v Speaker 1>of the girl Clara believed she was saving. Their world

436
00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:39.960
<v Speaker 1>had narrowed down to the layout of the house, and

437
00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:44.559
<v Speaker 1>the emotional landscape was dictated by Anika. Whenever she appeared

438
00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:48.400
<v Speaker 1>frightened or upset, Clara redirected her frustration towards the boys.

439
00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:51.599
<v Speaker 1>If they laughed too loudly, she said it distressed the girl.

440
00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:55.240
<v Speaker 1>If they touched something, she considered hers it while she

441
00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:59.240
<v Speaker 1>took it as an attack. Even small disagreements became evidence

442
00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:03.279
<v Speaker 1>of malice, fed by anxious trembling Anica sitting in the

443
00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:09.319
<v Speaker 1>corner scared now. Punishments initially started small, you know, early

444
00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:13.039
<v Speaker 1>bed times, some scoldings, but they quickly escalated, and soon

445
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:17.720
<v Speaker 1>they became abuse, things like being forced to kneel for

446
00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:21.880
<v Speaker 1>extended periods, standing perfectly still for long stretches of time,

447
00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:26.720
<v Speaker 1>or being deprived of meals for minor infractions. Clara viewed

448
00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:31.079
<v Speaker 1>these consequences as simple discipline. In fact, they were something

449
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:34.759
<v Speaker 1>the doctor approved of, even or even encouraged. The boys

450
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:38.000
<v Speaker 1>began living their lives filled with caution, unsure what might

451
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>set off the next round of consequences and discipline. More

452
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:46.359
<v Speaker 1>physical punishments soon followed two things like discipline with a

453
00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:50.240
<v Speaker 1>wooden spoon or a belt, or even open handed strikes

454
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:53.440
<v Speaker 1>delivered in moments. When Clara believed the boys had frightened Anica,

455
00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:57.240
<v Speaker 1>she didn't seem to notice that Onnica never really displayed

456
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<v Speaker 1>fear around anyone else, nor did she ever flinch when

457
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.720
<v Speaker 1>adults were near. The reactions appeared only when Clara was

458
00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:07.200
<v Speaker 1>alone with her sons, as if performed for an audience

459
00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:12.319
<v Speaker 1>of one person. The boys, as a result, grew quieter. Andre,

460
00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Speaker 1>the younger of the two, started flinching at sudden sounds.

461
00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Jacob adopted a very careful routine of speaking minimally, completing

462
00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:24.640
<v Speaker 1>chores quickly, and avoiding eye contact whenever Anica entered the room.

463
00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:29.160
<v Speaker 2>That's so sad for them. She's basically ruining their childhood

464
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:29.839
<v Speaker 2>and their life.

465
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:32.319
<v Speaker 1>She is, she's manipulating the whole thing, and these young

466
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:35.319
<v Speaker 1>boys that they're starting to understand that their safest moments

467
00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:39.400
<v Speaker 1>are when they go like unnoticed, when attention isn't paid

468
00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:39.720
<v Speaker 1>to them.

469
00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:41.759
<v Speaker 2>My gosh, I hate that.

470
00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:43.240
<v Speaker 1>It's heartbreaking.

471
00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

472
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Now, during this period, Anica became steadily more demanding. She

473
00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:53.240
<v Speaker 1>even rejected the boys entirely. She refused to share space

474
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:56.799
<v Speaker 1>with them and positioned herself as someone delicate enough to

475
00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:01.400
<v Speaker 1>require constant supervision. And the doctor's message, of course, reinforced

476
00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:04.519
<v Speaker 1>all of this, describing the girl as emotionally fragile and

477
00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:09.119
<v Speaker 1>easily traumatized by any sort of disturbance, and Clara, well

478
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:13.720
<v Speaker 1>already overwhelmed and exhausted, believed it all. She saw herself

479
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:16.559
<v Speaker 1>as the one balancing both the care for a damaged

480
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:19.319
<v Speaker 1>child and the discipline of two boys she thought were

481
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:23.880
<v Speaker 1>becoming more increasingly hostile. But the real breaking point came

482
00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:27.960
<v Speaker 1>when the family left the house altogether and moved temporarily

483
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:32.160
<v Speaker 1>to relocate to Bruno or just outside. It was a

484
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:35.559
<v Speaker 1>place that the adults would soon call the cottage. It

485
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:39.279
<v Speaker 1>marked a clear transition from functional parenting to something far

486
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:43.839
<v Speaker 1>more controlling and deliberate. Clara and Katerina referred to it

487
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:46.920
<v Speaker 1>as a place for re education, but the reality was

488
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:50.559
<v Speaker 1>the setting here well, it was where the world around

489
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the boys would completely collapse. The cottage sat away from neighbors,

490
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>surrounded by trees and quiet roads. It was the kind

491
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:00.799
<v Speaker 1>of place where no one would hear shouting or screams,

492
00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:05.599
<v Speaker 1>or noticed children not stepping outside to the group. That

493
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:08.400
<v Speaker 1>isolation wasn't a drawback actually of this place. It was

494
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:11.680
<v Speaker 1>the entire point of this place. They wanted privacy for

495
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:18.559
<v Speaker 1>what they claimed were tests, corrections, and purification exercises. Those were,

496
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:22.559
<v Speaker 1>of course words, not from the boys, but the adults

497
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.759
<v Speaker 1>in the home. Inside that home or a cottage, everything

498
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:30.920
<v Speaker 1>and I mean everything was controlled. The adults locked Jacob

499
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and Andre into cramped metal dog cages. Neither cage allowed

500
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:38.759
<v Speaker 1>them to stand comfortably what The food arrived irregularly, Their

501
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:41.599
<v Speaker 1>toilet was a bucket, and they were forbidden from speaking

502
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.240
<v Speaker 1>to each other and punished if they did. Sleep came

503
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.839
<v Speaker 1>in very short, broken intervals, to interrupted by shouting, cold

504
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.359
<v Speaker 1>splashes of water, or sudden orders and demands for them

505
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>to do something or tasks or chores. These punishments were

506
00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:00.160
<v Speaker 1>not random oltbursts. They were structured. Each adult participated. When

507
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying adults, I want to make it clear I

508
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:05.559
<v Speaker 1>am including Anica in this as well. So when I

509
00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>say adults from here and out, it does include her too.

510
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:11.839
<v Speaker 1>The sisters may think she's a child, but she is

511
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.400
<v Speaker 1>an adult and she is very much so taking part

512
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:19.359
<v Speaker 1>in many of these disciplines and abuse situations too.

513
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:23.119
<v Speaker 2>This is like so messed up. Yeah, it is, I

514
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:25.319
<v Speaker 2>am having trump. We've ben listening to this because it's

515
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:27.079
<v Speaker 2>just it's fucked.

516
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe it got to this point. I don't

517
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:33.880
<v Speaker 1>understand it, But here we are because like.

518
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:36.759
<v Speaker 2>The two like the two boys are her flesh and

519
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:37.880
<v Speaker 2>blood here, but.

520
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.559
<v Speaker 1>She's being manipulated to think that they're misbehaving, and then

521
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.920
<v Speaker 1>her religious upbringing a mixed with her delusions of grandeur,

522
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>are allowing her to think that she needs to do

523
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:53.599
<v Speaker 1>these outlandish discipline structuring whatever you want to call it,

524
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.799
<v Speaker 1>to fix them while she's trying to take care of

525
00:29:57.839 --> 00:29:59.079
<v Speaker 1>this new fragile.

526
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.920
<v Speaker 2>I know, yeah, like it makes sense in a way,

527
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:06.400
<v Speaker 2>but it also just doesn't you know.

528
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I get you the path, how we got here,

529
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:15.559
<v Speaker 1>I can see it, but it is so fucked up.

530
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like it. I mean it probably it took some

531
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:21.279
<v Speaker 2>time and stuff to get here. I get that, but

532
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:25.319
<v Speaker 2>also it's just like unfathomable to me that it did

533
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:25.759
<v Speaker 2>get here.

534
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, manipulation does a lot, right, I mean, yeah, that

535
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:30.279
<v Speaker 1>it's manipulation for a reason.

536
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:31.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

537
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Now, some beatings with these two boys came with belts

538
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:36.720
<v Speaker 1>or woulden't implements, as I kind of mentioned already, But

539
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.319
<v Speaker 1>other times the boys were forced to kneel until their

540
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>legs shook, or remain naked in a corner while the

541
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:46.279
<v Speaker 1>adults lectured them about obedience. Loud industrial music was played

542
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:49.640
<v Speaker 1>for long stretches too, not for entertainment, but to disorient them,

543
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.480
<v Speaker 1>specifically drowning out their crying and keep them awake and

544
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.480
<v Speaker 1>prevent any sort of sleeping. One incident occurred where Jacob

545
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.480
<v Speaker 1>was forced to lie in a shallow pit outside a

546
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:04.960
<v Speaker 1>hole the adults referred to as a grave. He was

547
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.240
<v Speaker 1>not to move, He was to lie there, not breathe

548
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:10.559
<v Speaker 1>too loudly, and stay as still as he could, as

549
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.400
<v Speaker 1>if he were dead. Then Andre, who believed everything he

550
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.759
<v Speaker 1>was told at that age, was ordered to start burying

551
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:20.160
<v Speaker 1>his brother, shoveling dirt onto him.

552
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, like the trauma that would be coming from

553
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:24.920
<v Speaker 2>this one.

554
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Hundred percent these adults, they told him that he had

555
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:31.759
<v Speaker 1>poisoned Jacob, and the point was not to teach anything.

556
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:33.960
<v Speaker 1>In fact, it was to break both boys at once,

557
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.920
<v Speaker 1>as one brother is basically believing he's burying his dead

558
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.160
<v Speaker 1>sibling that he is responsible for killing, and now he's

559
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>going to be going through all this alone, as the

560
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:46.519
<v Speaker 1>other brother is forced to stay there and watch what

561
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:49.359
<v Speaker 1>his other brother is going through, and he's being what

562
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:54.680
<v Speaker 1>he might think is buried alive. It is so beyond messed.

563
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:56.480
<v Speaker 2>And like just sad too.

564
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, Jacob did eventually climb out of that pit,

565
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.480
<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't played off as we were joking or

566
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:06.079
<v Speaker 1>he was alive the whole time. Instead, he was paraded

567
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.799
<v Speaker 1>in front of Andrea as if he had like returned

568
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>back to life.

569
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

570
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:14.079
<v Speaker 1>And the adults treated this as a successful lesson in

571
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:17.839
<v Speaker 1>obedience somehow, But for the boys it obviously became another

572
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:20.720
<v Speaker 1>moment that they didn't have like the cognitive capacity or

573
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>vocabulary really to even explain. Their physical injuries piled up fast. Bruises, cuts, burns,

574
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.279
<v Speaker 1>and in one case, a wound on Andre's lower body

575
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:34.440
<v Speaker 1>that became a major focus of the following investigation. You see,

576
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:38.559
<v Speaker 1>at some point during this re education, as they called it,

577
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:41.279
<v Speaker 1>Andrea suffered a wound to the back of his thigh

578
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.400
<v Speaker 1>in kind of like his lower butt area. Not an

579
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:49.039
<v Speaker 1>accidental kind of wound either, but something inflicted very deliberately.

580
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:53.200
<v Speaker 1>An incident occurred where the adults in the home cut

581
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:57.400
<v Speaker 1>a piece of his flesh from his body, following instructions

582
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:04.039
<v Speaker 1>they claim came from this mysterious. Later medical examinations with

583
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:08.839
<v Speaker 1>this whole case, they documented the trauma entirely and it

584
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:12.279
<v Speaker 1>was consistent with a sharp, controlled cut, not a fall

585
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>or random accident. The scar pattern supported Andre's account that

586
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:20.880
<v Speaker 1>the tissue was removed intentionally by the adults in the home.

587
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Now where the truth becomes clouded is exactly what had happened,

588
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:29.839
<v Speaker 1>how this went about, and what happened next. Some early

589
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:33.039
<v Speaker 1>statements suggests the piece of flesh was burned, while others

590
00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:36.599
<v Speaker 1>said it was actually eaten as part of a purification ritual,

591
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:40.599
<v Speaker 1>though cannibalism has never been definitively proven in this case.

592
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:44.319
<v Speaker 2>I just can't with this fucking case. Yeah, is this

593
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:47.640
<v Speaker 2>just making me so angry? That would have been so painful.

594
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>It would have been and so fucked up now, regardless

595
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>of this incident though, or what they went through. Even

596
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:56.799
<v Speaker 1>the boys had no allies in this home, every single

597
00:33:56.839 --> 00:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>adult that was present, they enforced the same rules every

598
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:04.759
<v Speaker 1>adult participated. Clara's role was particularly devastating because her son

599
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.159
<v Speaker 1>still expected her to intervene, you know, stop the torture,

600
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.119
<v Speaker 1>the pain, the suffering, to protect them like a mother should,

601
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.920
<v Speaker 1>but instead she echoed the very same ideas as the others.

602
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>She convinced that she was correcting them for their own good.

603
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.519
<v Speaker 1>By the time the group returned to the city months later.

604
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Both boys were weakened, frightened, and conditioned to expect punishment

605
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:33.199
<v Speaker 1>for even the most minor action. The cottage had served

606
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:35.480
<v Speaker 1>its purpose in the eyes of the adults. At least,

607
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:40.039
<v Speaker 1>the boys were compliant, traumatized, and entirely under their control.

608
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:44.079
<v Speaker 1>But the next stage of this ordeal wasn't about breaking

609
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.559
<v Speaker 1>both the children. It focused almost entirely in Andre instead,

610
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>who became the center of this group's escalating cruelty once

611
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.360
<v Speaker 1>they moved into the new house in Kurum. Now the

612
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:57.000
<v Speaker 1>new house was a two story place with a modest yard.

613
00:34:57.320 --> 00:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>It had neighbors who minded their own business, and absolute

614
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:03.119
<v Speaker 1>nothing about it suggested that one of the rooms had

615
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:07.079
<v Speaker 1>been turned into a miniature prison. The inside of the

616
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:11.039
<v Speaker 1>home was arranged with a very specific intention to monitor,

617
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:15.840
<v Speaker 1>to confine, and isolate a child without attracting any sort

618
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.800
<v Speaker 1>of attention. Now, Jacob at this point was kept elsewhere

619
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.519
<v Speaker 1>part of the time, sometimes at a youth facility and

620
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.079
<v Speaker 1>sometimes under the watch of other adults connected to this group. Now,

621
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:30.239
<v Speaker 1>this group isn't exactly innocent in all of this either.

622
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:33.159
<v Speaker 1>They certainly had their share and involvement in the story

623
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:37.119
<v Speaker 1>as well. As influence of care of these boys. Now,

624
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.679
<v Speaker 1>Jacob was the older of the two, and he was

625
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:43.440
<v Speaker 1>becoming harder to manipulate than Andre. He had become increasingly

626
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>protective of his younger brother too, so separating them made

627
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the control much easier. The heart of this new arrangement

628
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>was a narrow storage space beneath the stairs that wasn't

629
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:57.079
<v Speaker 1>large enough for a bed. It had no window, and

630
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.519
<v Speaker 1>the door had been reinforced and secured with a bunch

631
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:03.400
<v Speaker 1>of different locks that allowed adults to steal it from

632
00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:07.519
<v Speaker 1>the outside. Inside there was only a thin mat, a

633
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:11.119
<v Speaker 1>small blanket, and a bucket. The space was so cramped

634
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:14.119
<v Speaker 1>that even a child couldn't stretch out fully, and it

635
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:16.159
<v Speaker 1>was too dark for him to see anything beyond the

636
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:18.239
<v Speaker 1>faintest outlines when the door was shut.

637
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:20.519
<v Speaker 2>Is that small of an area.

638
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes. A security camera was also mounted inside and pointed

639
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:27.360
<v Speaker 1>down directly at the floor of the covered space. Its

640
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.119
<v Speaker 1>wireless feed transmitted to a receiver in the house, where

641
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:33.639
<v Speaker 1>the adults could observe Andrea at any moment of the day.

642
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Life for Andrea inside this curum house followed a predictable

643
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:44.800
<v Speaker 1>cycle of unimaginable abuse, confinement monitoring brief release, then punishment

644
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:49.239
<v Speaker 1>for something that he probably hadn't even actually done. The

645
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:51.679
<v Speaker 1>adults left him bound at times when they were out,

646
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:56.320
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes they kept him naked to prevent misbehavior. Meals

647
00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:59.599
<v Speaker 1>were inconsistent, water was withheld as a form of discipline,

648
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:02.440
<v Speaker 1>and he slept on the hard floor in the cramped

649
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:06.679
<v Speaker 1>darkness with just that thin mattin blanket, sometimes for hours,

650
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:10.119
<v Speaker 1>sometimes for days, depending on, honestly the mood of the

651
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:13.679
<v Speaker 1>adults in the home. Outside of that dark, copboared space,

652
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:18.400
<v Speaker 1>the home remained deceptively normal, as if they were, you know,

653
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:20.639
<v Speaker 1>just living a normal life, and what they were doing

654
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:26.039
<v Speaker 1>wasn't something completely horrific. Clara went shopping, Katerina visited work,

655
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:31.079
<v Speaker 1>Anica or Barbara in her carefully maintained disguise, moved through

656
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the house as if she were a fragile teenager needing

657
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:35.760
<v Speaker 1>constant protection and care.

658
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:37.360
<v Speaker 2>She makes me sick.

659
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:40.679
<v Speaker 1>Visitors saw nothing out of the ordinary. No one imagined

660
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:42.920
<v Speaker 1>a child was locked just a few feet away, watching

661
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.880
<v Speaker 1>the edges of a camera lens as his only connection

662
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.440
<v Speaker 1>to the outside world. One of the most disturbing aspects

663
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.719
<v Speaker 1>of this period is how seamlessly the group functioned around

664
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:56.760
<v Speaker 1>that confinement. They cooked meals, cleaned rooms, and entertained the

665
00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:00.360
<v Speaker 1>girl they believe they were protecting, all while it ignoring

666
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.119
<v Speaker 1>the fact that a boy was Clara's boy was trapped

667
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.400
<v Speaker 1>beneath their staircase. Like think Harry Potter living under the

668
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:11.320
<v Speaker 1>stairs and the treatment he had versus cousin, except way worse.

669
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Like Harry Potter had a good compared to this, And

670
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:18.079
<v Speaker 1>that's honestly fictional, but this was very much so real.

671
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Andre adapted in the only ways he could. He learned

672
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to keep quiet. He monitored the adults through their footsteps

673
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:29.320
<v Speaker 1>walking through the house as he sat in the dark.

674
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:32.360
<v Speaker 1>This was his life. Now, He's on his only tie

675
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:35.000
<v Speaker 1>to the outside. He's thinking, Okay, their footsteps are here,

676
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm safe. Their footsteps are coming close now, fear would grow.

677
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that is just so sad.

678
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.920
<v Speaker 1>What he didn't know, though, what no one knew, was

679
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:48.880
<v Speaker 1>that that camera watching him had an open signal and

680
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:51.400
<v Speaker 1>it was about to broadcast to more than just the

681
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:55.559
<v Speaker 1>people in that home. On May seventh, two thousand and seven,

682
00:38:55.639 --> 00:39:00.519
<v Speaker 1>within that seemingly ordinary Cureum neighborhood, the camera signal drifted

683
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:04.280
<v Speaker 1>past the walls into another home. Edward, the man who

684
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:06.840
<v Speaker 1>lived nearby, was trying to set up a device, a

685
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.000
<v Speaker 1>baby monitor, so he could check on his infant son

686
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.000
<v Speaker 1>in another room. As he was setting it up, the

687
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.639
<v Speaker 1>monitor flickered, adjusted, and then instead of showing his own child,

688
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:20.079
<v Speaker 1>it revealed a dim, unfamiliar space. A small boy sat

689
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:24.440
<v Speaker 1>hunched on the floor, shirtless, thin, and visibly shaken. The

690
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>image shown was low quality and grainy, but the distress

691
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:33.119
<v Speaker 1>on the child's face was unmistakable. At first, Eduard assumed

692
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:35.480
<v Speaker 1>he'd picked up a stray signal from a nearby home

693
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.840
<v Speaker 1>where a parent was briefly disciplining a child, you know,

694
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:42.159
<v Speaker 1>just like a timeout situation or dealing with a tantrum maybe,

695
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:45.440
<v Speaker 1>But the more he watched, the less it resembled anything normal.

696
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>The child wasn't moving freely. The room itself looked like

697
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.679
<v Speaker 1>it was an improvised prison cell, with bare walls, no furniture,

698
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.199
<v Speaker 1>with a bucket in the corner. At one point, the

699
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:58.159
<v Speaker 1>boy even recoiled from an unseen sound and pressed himself

700
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:00.199
<v Speaker 1>up against the wall, as if expecting the do or

701
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:01.480
<v Speaker 1>to open and receive a blow.

702
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:04.280
<v Speaker 2>It's worse than a prison, really, it is.

703
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Edward watched this all in horror, and he didn't know

704
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:09.920
<v Speaker 1>what to make of it. He was hoping that the

705
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:12.800
<v Speaker 1>camera feed would shift back to his son's crib, but

706
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:16.159
<v Speaker 1>it didn't. The thought at first was he must be

707
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:18.280
<v Speaker 1>seeing like just making this up in his head. He's

708
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:23.119
<v Speaker 1>seeing something, but the image didn't disappear. He fought with

709
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:26.559
<v Speaker 1>himself and maybe it's a prank, a movie, someone's TV

710
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:29.679
<v Speaker 1>that's crossing a feed you know, from some maybe it's

711
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:35.079
<v Speaker 1>a hoax, anything except reality. But as he stared at

712
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:37.480
<v Speaker 1>the image on the screen, the longer he did, the

713
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:42.480
<v Speaker 1>more he realized this was real, and soon he called police.

714
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.679
<v Speaker 2>It's honestly like a miracle that they set it up

715
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:49.559
<v Speaker 2>that way that it would be open, right, Yeah, that

716
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:53.800
<v Speaker 2>he came across it and took it seriously, because I

717
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:55.960
<v Speaker 2>think a lot of people would just you know, like,

718
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:57.920
<v Speaker 2>this isn't real kind of thing and just try to

719
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:01.679
<v Speaker 2>shift to like to get their own child exactly. So

720
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:04.679
<v Speaker 2>a lot of things had to like align and work out, So,

721
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, which is amazing.

722
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Imagine are imagine that they that he didn't get this

723
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.239
<v Speaker 1>feed on the baby moment? Yeah, how long could this

724
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:14.119
<v Speaker 1>have gone with being unnoticed?

725
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, the child might have died.

726
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah now. Officers responded to the call immediately, they too

727
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.239
<v Speaker 1>were unsure whether they were dealing with a malfunctioning device

728
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:26.639
<v Speaker 1>or an actual, genuine emergency. They brought with them equipment

729
00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:28.599
<v Speaker 1>to track the source of the transmission, and they knew

730
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 1>immediately that the range of the monitor was very limited,

731
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:34.679
<v Speaker 1>which helped narrow down the possibilities right away. So as

732
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:36.679
<v Speaker 1>they moved through the neighborhood trying to locate where the

733
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>signal was coming from, they picked up a faint audio

734
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:43.119
<v Speaker 1>as well. There was some footsteps, muffled voices, and a

735
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:46.960
<v Speaker 1>repetitive mechanical hum that was coming out of this baby monitor,

736
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:50.760
<v Speaker 1>a sound they knew would help identify the location once

737
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:54.760
<v Speaker 1>they were actually inside. Now, the signal also helped guide

738
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:57.280
<v Speaker 1>them the whole way. If they moved too far, the

739
00:41:57.320 --> 00:41:59.360
<v Speaker 1>image got worse and it was harder to connect to.

740
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:01.920
<v Speaker 1>But if they they got closer, the signal got stronger

741
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:04.599
<v Speaker 1>and clearer. It was sort of like a digital hot

742
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:08.039
<v Speaker 1>cold kind of scenario. So as they did this, the

743
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:12.519
<v Speaker 1>signal consistently grew stronger outside the Minerva home, and when

744
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:15.559
<v Speaker 1>officers approached and knocked in the front door, Clara and

745
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Katerina appeared on the other side of that door. They

746
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:21.039
<v Speaker 1>were very calm and polite when they answered. Officers asked

747
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:23.920
<v Speaker 1>about a child in distress, and while the two sisters

748
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.760
<v Speaker 1>denied it, and they insisted that the officers were mistaken,

749
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:30.480
<v Speaker 1>but something about their demeanor raised suspicion, and the police

750
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:36.400
<v Speaker 1>requested entry now for clarification. Under Zech law, immediate intervention

751
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:39.320
<v Speaker 1>is allowed when a child is believed to be in danger,

752
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:42.320
<v Speaker 1>so it wasn't something they could refuse. Okay, they didn't

753
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:44.280
<v Speaker 1>need a warrant to enter that home. If they believed,

754
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:46.320
<v Speaker 1>you know what, this child is in this home, they

755
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:50.119
<v Speaker 1>can enter now. Once inside, officers heard a faint echo

756
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:53.840
<v Speaker 1>of that very same humming noise captured on the monitor.

757
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:57.880
<v Speaker 1>That sound led them towards a small door beneath the staircase,

758
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:02.280
<v Speaker 1>a door secured with there are more locks and hardware

759
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:07.320
<v Speaker 1>than any ordinary storage space was required. Clara right away

760
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.480
<v Speaker 1>tried to block the hallway, insisting the police had come

761
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:12.079
<v Speaker 1>to the wrong house, and she repeated that her children

762
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.639
<v Speaker 1>were safe, that nothing unusual was happening, but her nerves

763
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:16.360
<v Speaker 1>gave her away.

764
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Now she realizes something's wrong, that she's doing something wrong right.

765
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Now, Katerina stepped in beside her as well, attempting to

766
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:26.719
<v Speaker 1>divert the officer's focus by bringing Anna Cut into the room,

767
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:29.719
<v Speaker 1>who was trembling and clung close to the sisters as

768
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:32.440
<v Speaker 1>she she cried like she was terrified of the unfolding

769
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:36.320
<v Speaker 1>scene with officers in the house. Now, these officers had

770
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:39.719
<v Speaker 1>already made their assessment, though they knew something was up

771
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:42.199
<v Speaker 1>and they weren't going to be distracted from it, so

772
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.519
<v Speaker 1>they moved past the women to the lock door, and

773
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.000
<v Speaker 1>immediately when they were there up against it, a foul

774
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:52.360
<v Speaker 1>smell steeped through the frame, sour sweat, stagnant air, and

775
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:56.679
<v Speaker 1>something heavier they couldn't immediately identify. When they broke the

776
00:43:56.719 --> 00:44:01.679
<v Speaker 1>locks and pulled the door open, the reality became undeniable.

777
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Andrea lay inside that cupboard, filthy, skeletal, shaking in fear.

778
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:10.440
<v Speaker 1>His wrists and ankles were bound, his skin marked with

779
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:12.920
<v Speaker 1>layers of injuries that didn't come from a single day,

780
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:18.199
<v Speaker 1>not even from weeks, but probably months and even beyond.

781
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:21.599
<v Speaker 1>When that door was opened, the sudden brightness even made

782
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:25.480
<v Speaker 1>him recoil. His first instinct wasn't relief, It was fear.

783
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Children in prolonged cat captivity often react this way. The

784
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 1>door opening and the light usually meant attention, and attention

785
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:37.079
<v Speaker 1>usually meant punishment, abuse and pain.

786
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, it's just just like breaking my heart.

787
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:44.079
<v Speaker 1>The officers slowed their movements the moment they saw him

788
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.480
<v Speaker 1>curled up in the dark. They didn't rush in and

789
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:49.320
<v Speaker 1>grab him right away. They spoke softly, using calm tones,

790
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 1>doing what they were trained to do when a child

791
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:55.400
<v Speaker 1>is an acute distress like this off. One officer crouched

792
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:57.679
<v Speaker 1>low to come closer to his eye level, careful not

793
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.440
<v Speaker 1>to crowd him, and another assessed the bi in the

794
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:03.559
<v Speaker 1>state of the room. They gave him time to understand

795
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.480
<v Speaker 1>that the adults now standing in front of him were

796
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:08.760
<v Speaker 1>not the ones who had been hurting him, and they

797
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.039
<v Speaker 1>were there to help him and not harm him.

798
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:13.960
<v Speaker 2>That would be so hard because you'd literally want to

799
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.480
<v Speaker 2>just like scoop this little boy up, I know, right,

800
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:19.159
<v Speaker 2>and just like tell him everything will be okay, But

801
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:19.760
<v Speaker 2>you can't.

802
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:23.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. When they finally did lift him out, they handled

803
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:26.719
<v Speaker 1>him with the kind of care usually reserved for medical emergencies,

804
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:29.639
<v Speaker 1>because that's exactly what this was. He weighed far less

805
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:32.000
<v Speaker 1>than an eight year old should and this honestly is

806
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:35.960
<v Speaker 1>a medical emergency. The police formed a protective circle around

807
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.679
<v Speaker 1>him as they moved through the house, instinctively shielding him

808
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:40.840
<v Speaker 1>from the chaos of the arrests and from the sight

809
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:45.480
<v Speaker 1>of the adults responsible for his condition. Outside, paramedics took over,

810
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:48.519
<v Speaker 1>Andrea was placed on a stretcher, wrapped in blankets, and

811
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:52.360
<v Speaker 1>rushed straight to the hospital. Doctors later described him as

812
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:59.039
<v Speaker 1>severely malnourished and dehydrated, with clear evidence of long term trauma. Jacob,

813
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.840
<v Speaker 1>his older brother, was found shortly after as well, and

814
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:05.280
<v Speaker 1>he too showed signs of fear, withdrawal, and physical neglect.

815
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:10.719
<v Speaker 1>He was removed to safety with the same urgency and care. Meanwhile,

816
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:14.719
<v Speaker 1>inside the house, the adults were detained immediately. Anica, still

817
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:18.280
<v Speaker 1>presenting herself as a frail, frightened thirteen year old well,

818
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:21.840
<v Speaker 1>she too was treated as a victim. Shelter staff and

819
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.760
<v Speaker 1>social workers believe she was another vulnerable child caught in

820
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:29.840
<v Speaker 1>a violent household of abuse, so they provided her a bed, food,

821
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:33.119
<v Speaker 1>and a quiet place to rest. No one suspected that

822
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:35.400
<v Speaker 1>this young girl was actually an adult woman with a

823
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:39.199
<v Speaker 1>history of manipulation, or that she had helped orchestrate this

824
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.280
<v Speaker 1>entire system of abuse that fell upon these two boys.

825
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:44.440
<v Speaker 1>And that's where we're going.

826
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:50.039
<v Speaker 2>To leave off for today. Okay, I knew it. Oh, Okay,

827
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I knew it was coming, But this case just has

828
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.000
<v Speaker 2>me on the edge of my seat because well, we

829
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:59.039
<v Speaker 2>obviously know that it's figured out who she is, but

830
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.599
<v Speaker 2>I just can't with her like she is, just I

831
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:04.440
<v Speaker 2>don't know, she's going to keep me awake at night.

832
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Really, she's a monster in every ounce of the world.

833
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it just makes no sense either. So I'm yeah,

834
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:13.000
<v Speaker 2>the fact that we have to stop is kind of

835
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:14.880
<v Speaker 2>a piss off, But I get it.

836
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot to this case and it's going to be. Yeah,

837
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:20.599
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be a full two parter, so be prepared.

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<v Speaker 1>What a case.

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<v Speaker 2>This is? Unreal, right, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>So shout out to Julie fort As this case, no kidding. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully enjoyed this at least will not necessarily enjoyed it,

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<v Speaker 1>but hopefully enjoyed the story. We're all true crime people.

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<v Speaker 1>We get it. Many people we talk to who don't

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<v Speaker 1>get it, we can't say enjoyed when it comes to cases.

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<v Speaker 2>Of this, well, I mean, like it's it's a fascinating

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<v Speaker 2>story to listen to and to try to comprehend. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's not necessarily that we like enjoy what's happened. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just this shit has happened, though, Yeah, and it's like interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, to learn about it and to give like

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<v Speaker 2>voice to the victims and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, honestly, imagine the world where we just pretended this.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't happen, no shit, and just walked around being vulnerable

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<v Speaker 2>all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, not only being vulnerable the respect that would give,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah to two victims that it's as if your your issues,

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<v Speaker 1>your your trauma, none of it matters.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not even real under the carpet, and move on

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<v Speaker 2>with your life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that's far worse in my opinion, but anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>I digress. Thank you for being here. You guys are amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't forget to check out the description for all our

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<v Speaker 1>links and all that good stuff. Don't forget to give

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<v Speaker 1>us a review if you like the show. We're a

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<v Speaker 1>indie podcast, produced, researched, written, hosted all of it by ourselves,

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<v Speaker 1>with our dogs and our chickens outside too, and we

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<v Speaker 1>just live in our tiny home doing our best and

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<v Speaker 1>we get to do it because of you. We sure

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<v Speaker 1>do so, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for being here, and until part two, stay wicked.
