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<v Speaker 1>It's gold.

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<v Speaker 2>Showtime. Folks. Well, we're coming to the end of September

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<v Speaker 2>and it's another edition of block culture. That interesting new development,

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<v Speaker 2>which is that our own Rob Long is now in Princeton,

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<v Speaker 2>New Jersey, and sadly I have to report, since we

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<v Speaker 2>do not do this on video, that Rob has no vestments.

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<v Speaker 1>He just is looking like I won't have been here

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<v Speaker 1>three weeks. That there's a Okay, you're altar.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy, but if you're an altar boy, don't you get

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of an outfit?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you don't hang out You don't hang out

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<v Speaker 1>in any outfit.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you you were the big beard in the hat

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<v Speaker 1>all day. No, yes, well, if.

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<v Speaker 2>You are a big beard in the hat guy, you

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<v Speaker 2>wear the big beard in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Hat all day. So we're starting, we're starting.

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<v Speaker 2>We're starting to anti Semitism and anti Christianism. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere except anti Muslimism because we do not want to

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<v Speaker 2>we don't want to sell so in Washington as he

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<v Speaker 2>usually is, Jonah Goldberg, Hi, Jonah, Hey, John, and I am,

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<v Speaker 2>of course John pot Horns and I'm in New York

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<v Speaker 2>and we are here to amuse you with feats of

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<v Speaker 2>press to digitation the likes of which you have never seen.

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<v Speaker 2>We have no topics, we have nothing to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to talk about Trump and and Harris apparently, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I got nothing to say. I talked five hours a

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<v Speaker 2>week about them, so I got nothing left to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh So we did put out a call on Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>for questions from the gloparati. The the glopatariat. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I like that you are going low. I'm going high.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going with the gloss.

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<v Speaker 1>You are concern you said the GLASI.

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<v Speaker 2>Now right in the middle glo.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the glop. What I like is that you put

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<v Speaker 1>that you tweeted that thing, like, you know, forty five

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<v Speaker 1>minutes ago, and we have a million billion tweets suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>that the people who listen to glop are not busy

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Is anybody is anybody in America? Is that the people

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<v Speaker 2>who are who are actually doing things that are valuable.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm busy in the middle of the day. I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>between classes. You know that. I came back and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here. I'm in between classes, in between Biblical Greek,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I have to go back and I have

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<v Speaker 1>to study for my Old Testament quiz.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, you know, as a as a master of

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<v Speaker 2>biblical Greek, I guess that means you're not a master

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<v Speaker 2>of like literary Greek. I have an interest. I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting place. Not to get incredibly pretentious, but I

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<v Speaker 2>am my son is about to start reading the Odyssey

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<v Speaker 2>in high school, and I decided that it had been many,

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<v Speaker 2>many decades since i'd read the Iliad in the Odyssey.

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<v Speaker 2>So I started to read the Iliad and I really

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what to do because I didn't know whether

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<v Speaker 2>to read the Fagels translation or the new Emily Wilson

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<v Speaker 2>translation Robert Fitzgerald translation. Okay, so I ended up downloading

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<v Speaker 2>to audible the Fagels translation, which is amazing, which is

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing I actually don't know who's reading it. I

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<v Speaker 2>should look it up and tell it, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a British actor who is declaiming it, and it

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<v Speaker 2>is it is thrilling to listen to it.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was like, you know, he taught right here.

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<v Speaker 1>He taught it, Prince did and his his Odyssey, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say, is actually I mean I tried to

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<v Speaker 1>read the Elia of the year few years ago, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just thought, I hate I hate this so much. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then then I thought I was going to read

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<v Speaker 1>the Alien on the Odyssey, and I threw the Ilia

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<v Speaker 1>way and I picked up the Oys. And what you

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<v Speaker 1>discover when you read the Odyssey is it's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think the Iliod is really good stuff. And

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<v Speaker 2>I had forgotten again because it had been decades and

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<v Speaker 2>decades that the Iliad, which is essentially it's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the two foundational works of non religious Western culture, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it is these sort of foundational.

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<v Speaker 1>And Valley of the Dolls, and you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It begins smack dab in the middle, like there's no

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<v Speaker 2>there's no lead up, there's no there's no introductory, there's

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<v Speaker 1>There's no previously on the Iliad.

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<v Speaker 2>We're right there in year ten of the Trojan War,

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<v Speaker 2>right there. And it begins with the argument between Achilles

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<v Speaker 2>and Agamemnon over who gets the greater honor and whether

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<v Speaker 2>Acabemnon is going to take Achilles's honor away from Achilles

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<v Speaker 2>is doing all the fighting in the war. Agabemnon is

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<v Speaker 2>just a big blow hard jerk, and and and this

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<v Speaker 2>opening is just two men screaming at each other on

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<v Speaker 2>a beach, and it is fantastic and you're like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we always think about these literary works as they're sort

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<v Speaker 2>of high bound and you know, and I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is like woof.

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<v Speaker 1>I also remember that it wasn't it helps Remember it

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<v Speaker 1>was not written right, it was so it was spoken

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<v Speaker 1>after dinner. It's an after dinner piece. So like people

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<v Speaker 1>had already had a little bit of wine, a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of food, you know, and you had to keep

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<v Speaker 1>them occupied, and you had to tell them the fun stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You had to jump right in the middle. I mean storytelling.

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<v Speaker 1>When I want to like start in the middle, don't

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<v Speaker 1>start at the once upon a time. It's like people

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<v Speaker 1>aren't gonna they'll just turn it off. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I'm gonna bring one thing up and then

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<v Speaker 2>we can go to the question. So I just watched

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<v Speaker 2>what I think this is your business?

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<v Speaker 1>Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why, aside, of course from saving souls and interpreting,

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<v Speaker 2>I got a lot of Yeah. But so there is

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<v Speaker 2>a new version of Mattlock right the Andy Griffith Lawyer

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<v Speaker 2>show there. It is starring Kathy Bates, and the situation

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<v Speaker 2>is Kathy Bates is a seventy five year old woman.

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<v Speaker 2>She walks into a law firm in New York City saying,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm been a lawyer in thirty years, but I can

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<v Speaker 2>really help you, and she immediately threw various ways gets

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<v Speaker 2>on a case. It's a case of police corruption thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years earlier. Blah blah blah. So two things about it.

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<v Speaker 2>This to me, having watched another pilot of a police

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<v Speaker 2>procedural earlier this week called The High Potential. Also a

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<v Speaker 2>very good female lead performance by Caitlin Nelson from It's

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<v Speaker 2>Always Sending in Philadelphia, that very contrived. This was maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the best pilot I have seen in decades. Establishes characters,

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<v Speaker 2>establishes this law firm.

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<v Speaker 3>Starts with two guys arguing on a beach.

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<v Speaker 1>Practically where you find this?

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<v Speaker 2>What network is? It's on It's on CBS. I just

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<v Speaker 2>watched it on.

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<v Speaker 1>Paramount Plus, so you want my take on that.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I'm saying is, here's the thing. So you

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<v Speaker 2>have to establish this. It's a it's a it's ad

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<v Speaker 2>a question. I'm about to ask the question, But unlike

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<v Speaker 2>in Medius race, I must set up the question with

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<v Speaker 2>a prologue, a lengthy prolog so that you know where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm So you got to set up Kathy Bates is

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<v Speaker 2>an old woman, a Southern coming into this New York

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<v Speaker 2>law firm. Figures out how to walk into walk into

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<v Speaker 2>the partner's office, cutesy corn pony, gets herself in, gets

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<v Speaker 2>yourself on a trial, establishes herself as a character, establishes

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<v Speaker 2>they established four other lawyers in the firm as characters.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's a case that needs to be solved,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there is a reveal at the end that

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<v Speaker 2>I won't go through. And it was picture perfect as

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<v Speaker 2>a setup for a long form series, not a sitcom though,

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<v Speaker 2>like drama obviously. And I'm looking at and I'm thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>why is this so? Why is it that most pilots

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<v Speaker 2>are so labored that you watch them and you never

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<v Speaker 2>want to watch another episode again. Is it that they

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<v Speaker 2>figure out how to live in it and then they

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<v Speaker 2>make the pilot, or is it that they go into

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<v Speaker 2>making a pilot with some external idea that they don't

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<v Speaker 2>really buy, and then as they're doing it, they kind

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<v Speaker 2>of make up reasons why these characters are together or

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<v Speaker 2>what they're doing and therefore it never feels lived in.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure. Every

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<v Speaker 1>pilot's different, right, everybody doing one's different. And sometimes they're

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<v Speaker 1>just deal memos that just became shows, and sometimes they're

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they were started something else and then got

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<v Speaker 1>moved into something else. I don't know the answer. I

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<v Speaker 1>would just say this is that the surprising thing is

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<v Speaker 1>that if you take all of the TV production entities

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<v Speaker 1>and all the networks and you find the one found

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<v Speaker 1>found the one that's the most hide bound and probably

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<v Speaker 1>the most cost conscious, it's CBS. And that those those

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<v Speaker 1>restraints and restrictions made the pilot better, I guarantee you.

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<v Speaker 1>And the fact that the people watching that pilot don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to be is this a you know, like if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a free market conservative, it's like, once you pay

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<v Speaker 1>for something, you're just you're done, You're in. Right, the

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<v Speaker 1>customer in broadcast television and add support a TV, they

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<v Speaker 1>have to keep that customer watching. If if you turn

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<v Speaker 1>away from it, it's all over. Whereas if you're watching

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix and you decide you don't want to watch episodes

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<v Speaker 1>ninety through ten thousand, or six through nine or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>it is there to get your money. It's all you

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<v Speaker 1>can eat, and they thought for years that the all

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<v Speaker 1>it actually turns out of bankrupting the whole business and

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<v Speaker 1>they may end up having to go back to the

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<v Speaker 1>people who know how to put on a pilot that

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<v Speaker 1>gets John but Oritz to watch the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. Of course, I'm sixty three, which is why I

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<v Speaker 2>like Matlock. Right, It's like it's now built into your

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<v Speaker 2>DNA as you age, as entropy overtakes. It's a it's Mattlock, Matlock, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a law show. It's a court show. Plucky lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>she does the thing. Hey, I got it. Like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you're calling them out lock just to get you

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<v Speaker 1>to watch it. But it's like a it's a courtroom

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<v Speaker 1>show they have there's a courtroom show on all the time, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're the best, the easiest to write. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>person stands up and gives a speech and the others

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<v Speaker 1>are forced to listen. It's sort of like the commentary

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<v Speaker 1>podcast and then that person eventually sits down. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>what that's what it's the easiest thing. You're out of order.

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<v Speaker 1>Counselor approach the bench. I got it, I'll allow it.

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<v Speaker 1>I got it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll allow it, which is my favorite, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and then go through life like that, right, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you write this somewhere. The drama part is the

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<v Speaker 1>best part is then you have to like this, but

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<v Speaker 1>I need to know about these people. Then you have

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<v Speaker 1>the lawyers at home and they're you know, they're in bed,

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<v Speaker 1>and then one of them says you're the other says

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<v Speaker 1>that's out of order, counselor because they talk that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when you the lady, the ladies who are tough,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll always call you out your last name. It's done.

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<v Speaker 1>And then people like it. It's like, what's why? Why

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<v Speaker 1>think about it so hard? Make it good? And they

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<v Speaker 2>our from our followers. I okay, this is from someone

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<v Speaker 2>called novel Drive. So it's not even a name novel Drive.

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<v Speaker 3>That Gary, you just respect the great family of the

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<v Speaker 2>There we go.

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<v Speaker 1>They changed him and they had Ellis Island.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Why do you think Hamilton completely vanished from the

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<v Speaker 2>cultural zeitgeist? Did it just get old? Or do you

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<v Speaker 2>think it's message? So this sweek became problematic in the

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<v Speaker 2>wake of the Trump presidency and the Black Lives Matter movement.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a very interesting question has out viewed in

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<v Speaker 2>different cities. It's in London, it's still selling out on Broadway.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was a gigantic cultural phenomenon. It seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be no and a debut on Disney Plus during the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a huge audience. But yes, so he do you

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<v Speaker 2>accept the do you accept the basis of this question

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<v Speaker 2>that it's vanished from the cultures like geist or is

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<v Speaker 2>it just simply that it's nine years old and things

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, sorry, John, I'll so.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's carefully Jonah's a great question and perfectly

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<v Speaker 3>on the New York Magazine cover profile New York Magazine.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Coats and Black Lives Matter came in an

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<v Speaker 3>exact moment where it became unfashionable to think that we

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<v Speaker 3>unfashionable to be you know, I don't want to say

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<v Speaker 3>everyone was became unpatriotic, but to sort of conventional expressions

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<v Speaker 3>of patriotism became even less cool for a while. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, and I think, I mean, you guys would

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<v Speaker 3>we've talked about like before, how like Moby Dick wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>popular when it came out, and all these kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 3>There are some things that are very popular when they

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<v Speaker 3>come out, and then they go into a long hiatus,

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<v Speaker 3>They go into sort of a quiescent phase, and then

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<v Speaker 3>when the mom's right, they become popular again. And I

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<v Speaker 3>could definitely see Hamilton sort of having a second wave

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<v Speaker 3>at some point down the road, probably like even under

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<v Speaker 3>a Harris administration. But I do think that like it

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<v Speaker 3>became ghost to celebrate the sort of I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>remember Rob, you know, we were talking about how it

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<v Speaker 3>was like a modern day schoolhouse rock, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was such a wonderfully pro Erican thing and such

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<v Speaker 3>a great sort of syncretic thing to use in all

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<v Speaker 3>black casts and use basically in rap and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>And and then that just got welched by the Black

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<v Speaker 3>Lives Matter movement and the anti Trump stuff and all

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of thing. But I think the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>it's still going strong in the real world suggests that

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<v Speaker 3>it could get a new found appreciation. I could see

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<v Speaker 3>someone writing an essay it's time to watch Hamilton again,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Back, I would just say this, the premise of Hamilton

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<v Speaker 1>is that the founders were great men, engaged in a

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<v Speaker 1>great experiment.

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<v Speaker 3>Great flawed men.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and and and the they should be celebrated for that.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is anathema to the left, and it's anathema

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<v Speaker 1>to the Trump right the question mentioned tripe, you know Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Americas, is this where a failing country or disaster? Everything,

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<v Speaker 1>Everything's horrible. We're on the precipice of room in a disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you're if you believe in the if

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<v Speaker 1>you believe that the founders were correct and they created

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<v Speaker 1>a government and a subsequent society that is fantastic and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the probably the greatest single achievement of mankind.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're just at a step where I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what party you're in because you're not in neither one.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think it needs to take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is the irony of it is that it does.

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<v Speaker 1>It came right at the right at a time when

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<v Speaker 1>it could have been celebrated, and instead it just feels irrelevant,

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<v Speaker 1>which is tragic because it's a it's probably the most

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<v Speaker 1>patriarchic piece of art that's ever been created.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and it's patriotic in a in a new way,

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<v Speaker 2>and that there was there were objections to it on

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<v Speaker 2>the part of a kind of phide bound you know. Yes, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a multicultural cast. You know, Linn Bahn Miranda is

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<v Speaker 2>himself Puerto Rican. Uh, Daved Diggs who played Jefferson and

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<v Speaker 2>Lafayette is half Jewish, half Black, Lamar Odom Junior who

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<v Speaker 2>played Leslie Odom Junior, who played Burr Black, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Scholar Sisters Black, all of that rap music. But

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<v Speaker 2>the idea was that they were going to enact, they

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<v Speaker 2>enact a pageant version of the Founding of the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>with Alexander Hamilton as the central figure. And it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I happened to listen to it with one of my

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<v Speaker 2>kids on a long car drive a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is a masterpiece. It may well be the

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<v Speaker 2>single best work of American art of the twentieth twenty

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<v Speaker 2>first century. And I'm not I can't take.

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<v Speaker 3>That's aim right.

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<v Speaker 2>And the expansion the idea that the found talk about

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<v Speaker 2>an important message for now that was made possible maybe

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<v Speaker 2>by the Obama presidency, but now that the Founding is

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<v Speaker 2>for everyone, Yeah, the American Founding is for that's everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's yeah. Because it was amazing was that for

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<v Speaker 1>years in college and before in the culture, Uh, it

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<v Speaker 1>was considered normal. This is this is now very the

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<v Speaker 1>tinkertoy version of the craziness that exists now. But on

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<v Speaker 1>college campus is the dead white European man. At least

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<v Speaker 1>people have nothing to say to me that, the people

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<v Speaker 1>who wrote the Constitution and the Declaration and the founders,

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<v Speaker 1>they have nothing to say to me if I am

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<v Speaker 1>not also a white European male. And the response to

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<v Speaker 1>that was, no, no, you don't understand. George Washington belongs

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<v Speaker 1>to all of us, and so does Thomas Jefferson, and

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<v Speaker 1>so does Alexanda Hamilton, and the story of the founding

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<v Speaker 1>of America belongs to all Americans, irrespective of their race.

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<v Speaker 1>And lin Manuel simply took that on its face. He said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>how about this. And it was a magnificent piece of art.

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<v Speaker 1>It's incredibly riveting, it's a great piece of theater. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a Le'll give it the highest possible accolade. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the highest piece of show business I've ever seen. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's great show business. And it just simply, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it took us, that took those people saying that at

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<v Speaker 1>their word, and what came out of that was something terrific.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't say, you're a liar. No, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>come up with my own, you know, the quansa version. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's he took the version that exists and he said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's mine too, and that's pretty amazing. It's been amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just before you do it more amazing. Okay, just

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<v Speaker 2>to close the circle here. So I think it has

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<v Speaker 2>thirty four numbers. Hamilton's three hours long. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>has thirty four separate numbers. The lyrical invention, the wordsmith

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<v Speaker 2>ory that this guy who I think was thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>or something when he did it all in spaired by

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that he brought Ron Schrenhau's biography of Hamilton

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<v Speaker 2>with him on his honeymoon. I don't know that it's

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<v Speaker 2>ever been matched. And you know, this is one of

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<v Speaker 2>these works, rare works that the book music and lyrics

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much written by the same person. There four or

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<v Speaker 2>five of these in Broadway history. But you know, simply

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<v Speaker 2>as a matter of as a piece of writing, word

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<v Speaker 2>by word, lyric by lyric, rhyme by rhyme, internal rhyme

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<v Speaker 2>by internal rhyme, it is jaw droppingly clever and incredibly touching.

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<v Speaker 2>And if it has gone out of fashion, that's because

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is right, and we stink he's just raw. He's

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<v Speaker 2>right the wrong way, like we stink because everybody is

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<v Speaker 2>now viewing everything through every possible filter, except what is

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<v Speaker 2>this thing in front of me that I can experience

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<v Speaker 2>fresh without putting on my ideological filter and saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like what it says about immigration, or or

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't say enough about how many America and the

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<v Speaker 2>founders were to people. There's a joke in it about

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<v Speaker 2>Sally Hemmings.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a joke, big, big laugh in the show, big

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, anyway, I'm just going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Say that he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, you would never have predicted it from the guy

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<v Speaker 3>this is glop. I have to point that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I just ask you, now that you are back

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<v Speaker 2>in school, are you going to get Kurt Vonnegut to

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<v Speaker 2>write your paper?

421
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<v Speaker 1>Well, he's he's deceased.

422
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<v Speaker 2>So you could, yes, But could you get you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Matthew, Mark Lucer John to come and

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<v Speaker 2>write your write your paper.

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<v Speaker 1>And well, I mean they didn't write the Gospels, so yeah, No.

426
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<v Speaker 1>What we do is we look at primary sources. So

427
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<v Speaker 1>I don't need any of those people since I have

428
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<v Speaker 1>you know, Athanasius and Origin and blah blah blah, and

429
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<v Speaker 1>other people whose names are complicated to to the one

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<v Speaker 1>thing I've enjoyed was that I'm with a lot of

431
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<v Speaker 1>young people, right, so like a lot of young people,

432
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<v Speaker 1>and and I I am me so like we're reading

433
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<v Speaker 1>about the Christian martyrs, and I'm like, man, that's some

434
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<v Speaker 1>that's all over the top. I think I think that

435
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<v Speaker 1>that stuff really happened. That seems you know, I mean

436
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<v Speaker 1>we've all seen Saw Saw too, right. I raised my hand,

437
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<v Speaker 1>and you know, these are very earnest young people, like well,

438
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know. It reminds me of Saw,

439
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<v Speaker 1>Like well, it does reminds me of Saw. So anyway,

440
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<v Speaker 1>that's that's my my my take on it is that

441
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<v Speaker 1>college camp, this college campus anyway, seems filled with very purposeful, thoughtful,

442
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<v Speaker 1>very smart, very well read young people who who who

443
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<v Speaker 1>I'm Well, I'm I'm Rodney Dangerfield, That's what I am

444
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<v Speaker 1>in this respect. And this yeah, this firsture, that's the question.

445
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

446
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<v Speaker 4>The next question for us is where to build a factory?

447
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<v Speaker 2>How about fantasy land? That's right, That's what I'm saying.

448
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<v Speaker 2>And so you would, yes you should, Okay, all right,

449
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<v Speaker 2>so here we have.

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<v Speaker 3>The school.

451
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very dangerous because you know, no one should

452
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<v Speaker 2>do that dive.

453
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<v Speaker 1>Because it's it's it's one of those famous famous college

454
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<v Speaker 1>swim diving rivalries that the whole college turns out to see. Yeah,

455
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<v Speaker 1>are you going to go to the big swim diving

456
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<v Speaker 1>meet against State? Well, yes, of course it's it's not

457
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<v Speaker 1>a made up thing at all.

458
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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of it, you know, you remember that Robert Downey

459
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<v Speaker 2>Junior plays Not That Not the Sun, like you must

460
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<v Speaker 2>have auditioned for the Sun, didn't get the Sun. Keith

461
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<v Speaker 2>Gordon got the Sun, so he gets the best friend

462
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<v Speaker 2>of the Sun. As this happens to these movies.

463
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<v Speaker 3>I do think he was miscast as doctor Doom. Someone's

464
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<v Speaker 3>got to hold up. They're part of the traditional glop

465
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<v Speaker 3>here who had a lot of Iliad and Philip I apologize.

466
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so doctor Doom, so you should explain what you're

467
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<v Speaker 2>talking about here, because I barely even know who doctor

468
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<v Speaker 2>Doom is. So I do know he's getting paid two

469
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<v Speaker 2>hundred million dollars to be doctor Doom or something.

470
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<v Speaker 3>So so, Doctor Doom is one of the great villains

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<v Speaker 3>in Marvel comics. He's the primary foe the Fantastic Four,

472
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<v Speaker 3>which they've tried to make good movies out of and

473
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<v Speaker 3>failed and and they cast uh Robert Downing Jr. As

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<v Speaker 3>Doctor Doom. Doctor Doom is a from a fictional East

475
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<v Speaker 3>European country. He's a dictator there. There's actually a Grada

476
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<v Speaker 3>Latvia is what it's called. No, no, no, no Latveria.

477
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<v Speaker 3>I apologize and sorry all my friend.

478
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<v Speaker 2>Captive nation by Doctor Doom. Okay, go ahead. Sorry.

479
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<v Speaker 3>Well, there's a great episode where the Fantastic Four go

480
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<v Speaker 3>to Laveria the issue with the comic where they go

481
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<v Speaker 3>to Laveria to capture doctor Doom and bring the fight

482
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<v Speaker 3>to him, and out from behind the corner comes Henry

483
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<v Speaker 3>Kissinger who says, you can't. We've just signed a treaty

484
00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.519
<v Speaker 3>because they're holding off the communist heer. Anyway, they shouldn't

485
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<v Speaker 3>have picked him. You know, he's the guy who played

486
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<v Speaker 3>iron Man so well blah blah blah blah blah. But

487
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<v Speaker 3>I don't blame him for taking the because was it

488
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<v Speaker 3>eighty million dollars or something to do it.

489
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<v Speaker 2>I believe it is thought that if those he's signed

490
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<v Speaker 2>two movies, two movie deal, he can't play iron Man anymore.

491
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<v Speaker 2>They have a problem because the because everything that's happened

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<v Speaker 2>since the end of the Marvel cinematic, the first phase

493
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<v Speaker 2>of the Marvels that has like been a dud except

494
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<v Speaker 2>for Spider Man movies. So they shot the wad. They

495
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<v Speaker 2>were like, Okay, what we got to do is bring

496
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<v Speaker 2>back the magic. We'll cast him in a different way.

497
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<v Speaker 2>He'll play a villain in the Fantastic four reboot that

498
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:48.359
<v Speaker 2>we're about to do. And he's like, you know, Brinks trucks,

499
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<v Speaker 2>back up twelve of them again, I'm not doing this.

500
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<v Speaker 2>And apparently it is going to be the single biggest

501
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<v Speaker 2>payday that any anyone has ever had from any work

502
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<v Speaker 2>of popular entertainment ever. Could be as much as two

503
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.839
<v Speaker 2>hundred or three hundred million dollars, depending on how it does.

504
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.240
<v Speaker 2>He supposedly made a hundred million dollars off of Endgame,

505
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<v Speaker 2>the last I believe that Bengers movie. And know, yeah,

506
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<v Speaker 2>speaking but he's bad casting. You're saying it's bad cast.

507
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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a bad idea. That should have had

508
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<v Speaker 3>that what's his name, the guy from Oppenheimer and Peaky Blinders,

509
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:27.880
<v Speaker 3>Uh Killian Murphy. Yeah, that's who the fans really wanted

510
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<v Speaker 3>to play him.

511
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<v Speaker 2>He would have been great, But when he played Sandman, right,

512
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't he play in the Batman? Okay? All right, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I got so.

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<v Speaker 1>Rob, can I just talk here a minute? Just I

515
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<v Speaker 1>don't know whether this you mentioned this or not that

516
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<v Speaker 1>Matt Locke airing on CBS overnights. Overnights got a seven

517
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<v Speaker 1>point seven million viewers overnight, so it's live plus the

518
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<v Speaker 1>same day. Oh no, sorry, that's those the Fast Nationals.

519
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<v Speaker 1>So that's actually that's a lot and it won't go up

520
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.079
<v Speaker 1>that much after the Fast Nationals, but it might. He

521
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<v Speaker 1>hit eight eight halfs. It's a lot of people, now, yeah,

522
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<v Speaker 1>people like him at yeah, okay, it.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are some questions. I'm just gonna I'm just

524
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<v Speaker 2>gonna go through them very quickly. You don't have to

525
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<v Speaker 2>answer any of them. And if you don't get what,

526
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to make a reference something here, we're just

527
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<v Speaker 2>going to go past it, and no one is allowed

528
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:18.240
<v Speaker 2>to answer it. What glass cleaner did Danny Thomas endorse.

529
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<v Speaker 2>We're just going to move past that to go.

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<v Speaker 1>To to go to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, okay, did Game of Thrones poison long form

532
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<v Speaker 2>show plots so that few, if any, likable characters are included.

533
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>So this is an interesting question. So we have these shows, uh,

534
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.880
<v Speaker 2>and they're very anti hero based, and this guy, uh,

535
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.839
<v Speaker 2>just another Bob is his name? I want to know

536
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<v Speaker 2>if they ruined it, and I would say that it's

537
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<v Speaker 2>it's not Game of Thrones, which did the opposite I

538
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<v Speaker 2>would say, which is that it introduced a lovable character

539
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.559
<v Speaker 2>and then murdered him so that you knew that the

540
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:07.920
<v Speaker 2>show could go anywhere in any way. Had your set

541
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:10.839
<v Speaker 2>up a hero and then killed him off, and then

542
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:14.640
<v Speaker 2>it had to build from a bunch of very seemingly

543
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:18.680
<v Speaker 2>unattractive people, people that you nonetheless came to admire. But

544
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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't you say that this is really this is the

545
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<v Speaker 2>Sopranos effect. I mean that if you have long form

546
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<v Speaker 2>shows that are based on characters who aren't that attractive

547
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:34.440
<v Speaker 2>or likable or something like that, that's that attractive.

548
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:37.960
<v Speaker 1>What is attractive means likable?

549
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:39.799
<v Speaker 2>He says likable, likable.

550
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean.

551
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<v Speaker 2>It's Tony.

552
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, you had to remind yourself of a psychopath

553
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<v Speaker 1>because he was still appealing.

554
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:50.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, you wouldn't have said that about Vic Mackey

555
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.960
<v Speaker 2>of the Shield, right, because he wasn't really likable. Right,

556
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:57.119
<v Speaker 2>that was his biggest show, right, Although that was that

557
00:31:57.240 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 2>is considered in the annals of the sort of academic

558
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:05.039
<v Speaker 2>studies of the anti hero introduct the shield. What was

559
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.400
<v Speaker 2>that a snore? It was this?

560
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.079
<v Speaker 3>It was a snore turned into a snort.

561
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, the sound of one makes during Okay.

562
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<v Speaker 2>So maybe that's not a good question.

563
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<v Speaker 3>I think a quick stid of uh, because uh, I've

564
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:27.240
<v Speaker 3>actually written a lot about these byronic and basically bad

565
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:31.240
<v Speaker 3>people as heroes for a long time. I think you

566
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<v Speaker 3>can make the case. It starts with Hannibal Lecter and

567
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:39.599
<v Speaker 3>Hannah Lecker was incredibly compelling character. But I remember taking

568
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<v Speaker 3>a girl on a date. I'd seen the movie in

569
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:44.680
<v Speaker 3>Prague when I lived in Prague, and I brought her

570
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:47.559
<v Speaker 3>to the movie and she spent most of her time

571
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<v Speaker 3>hiding behind her coat and terrified. And at one point

572
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<v Speaker 3>she turns to me and she says, he thinks it's

573
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<v Speaker 3>good to eat people. Yes, And it's like, yes, he

574
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<v Speaker 3>thinks it's good to eat people.

575
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:05.319
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't.

576
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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, the thing is is like, remember they made

577
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<v Speaker 3>a show out of Annibal Lecter. It was three or

578
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:14.440
<v Speaker 3>four seasons on I think NBC, and then you had

579
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:19.799
<v Speaker 3>more and more characters. Mel Gibson in payback, Right, you

580
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:23.279
<v Speaker 3>had and then you had NYPD Blue, where you're supposed

581
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<v Speaker 3>to root for the guys who beat up cops, beat

582
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:27.200
<v Speaker 3>up suspects and that kind of stuff. And then you

583
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.559
<v Speaker 3>go into overdrive with the Shield. And then you have

584
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<v Speaker 3>the Sopranos. You have Breaking Bad right, where you root

585
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:35.640
<v Speaker 3>for the villain. You have the wire where you're like

586
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.559
<v Speaker 3>rooting for murderers and drug dealers who are slightly more compelling,

587
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:40.720
<v Speaker 3>and you're off to the races. And I think this

588
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:42.440
<v Speaker 3>has just been one of these things that has been

589
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<v Speaker 3>supposed to be smart writing is supposed to make evil

590
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<v Speaker 3>people compelling for like the last quarter century. And I

591
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<v Speaker 3>think the Godfather is the Godfather. Yeah, the Godfather probably

592
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<v Speaker 3>right to really do the bigats.

593
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<v Speaker 2>You can go back to the Godfather. Yeah, but right, okay,

594
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<v Speaker 2>so okay. Nick Newfield asks the following.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait when you wait, wait Jonah, when you say to

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<v Speaker 1>the guests, do you mean follow the toldo for?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Sorry? Are we are we in the visit? Are

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<v Speaker 2>we in the Are we in the Arian creed or

599
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:17.880
<v Speaker 2>the Athenasian creed? Here?

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, I'm in the ot my friend?

601
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, whoa easy?

602
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<v Speaker 1>You heard me?

603
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:30.400
<v Speaker 3>The bait pob like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I said, You're in the apocrypha. I

605
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<v Speaker 1>referred to you. I refer to your book your way.

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<v Speaker 2>You're indeed, thank you, I said, Arian Creed. I deserve

607
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<v Speaker 2>I deserve a couple of Brownie points for that. Could

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<v Speaker 2>Rob write a pilot I like comedy about the page

609
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<v Speaker 2>or operation? What wag?

610
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<v Speaker 1>Operation?

611
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<v Speaker 2>What would be in the running for the show title?

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<v Speaker 2>And I and then we are answered, by the way

613
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<v Speaker 2>by somebody who says, shouldn't Why isn't anybody referring to

614
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<v Speaker 2>that operation as Stuck's nuts? So I really get that's

615
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:15.119
<v Speaker 2>pretty good. So I think.

616
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<v Speaker 1>Necessarily it already has.

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<v Speaker 2>We have the title from another tweeter. So, but Rob,

618
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<v Speaker 2>how do you write a like comedy?

619
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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's perfect? What do you mean, it's a great, delicious,

620
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<v Speaker 1>I mean horific. The bad guys get it. You know,

621
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<v Speaker 1>you make it. You make it. It's an out landish idea, right,

622
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<v Speaker 1>it is an outlandish idea that I and I one

623
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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand percent guarantee you that. When they first talked

624
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<v Speaker 1>about it, someone said, this is the stupidest thing I've

625
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<v Speaker 1>ever heard of my life. There's some old guys, some

626
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<v Speaker 1>network executive at the you know room whatever that is

627
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<v Speaker 1>in the most saw the tech the tech room, what

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, first pitched.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, get me for coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>but not for stupid stuff. Okay, so give me the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I can use. And then she went off

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<v Speaker 1>and she did the thing. I uh, you know that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>project he brought to me. We were working together and

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<v Speaker 1>you have no idea how much time we spend saying

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<v Speaker 1>this is just the thing. When you say this that nobody

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<v Speaker 1>believes it. It's just like it just sounds so dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>And then this happened, and it was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I when I when I saw this happen. The minute

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<v Speaker 2>Are you the author of stucks Nuts, the real Thing

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<v Speaker 2>and the pilot?

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<v Speaker 1>teasing her all the time, and she's, God, what what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what are you working on? Come on, doctor Nuts?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go outside. It's come on, I buy your come on.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like, no, I have Tom in the lab.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to do the thing. And you and the

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<v Speaker 1>lab and you have plots and your plants.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on out.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all gonna go dance sink to the thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have a smart.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you could also do it, you know, borrowing

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<v Speaker 3>not supposed to end.

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<v Speaker 1>and she's got to have this. And it's like this young,

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<v Speaker 1>So she's so madly in love with him. And then

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<v Speaker 1>one day he's in the lab and he reaches to

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<v Speaker 1>pick up the pager and she reaches over to stop

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<v Speaker 1>him in her hands touch and he looks at her

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, what you don't don't touch the pager

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<v Speaker 1>and then uh, and then they kind of lock eyes

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, oh, wait a minute, something happened. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, in like third act, he's he says,

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<v Speaker 1>can I can I can I just do something? Can

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<v Speaker 1>you just look at me for one minute? Nihal? And

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<v Speaker 1>she looks at him and he just takes her glasses

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<v Speaker 1>off her face and says, you know, you know, you're

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful Dutch and she says, stop it. We let's just

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<v Speaker 1>keep up. Let's focus on blowing up plo.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you know it could be called jahad me

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<v Speaker 3>at hello.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now that's good, all right, okay, so uh let

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<v Speaker 2>me see if I got okay, got something to read here.

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<v Speaker 1>one of the ways that you do that is that

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of them, like use bookstores, use Shopify

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, here's an interesting one that is.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, that is very true. That is very true. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here is something that is so out of phase that

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<v Speaker 2>it's just sort of an interesting thing. Should the final

736
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<v Speaker 2>scenes in Taxi Driver be understood to be real or

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<v Speaker 2>a fantasy? That is all in the mind of Travis Spickel.

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<v Speaker 2>So I now must point out The Taxi Driver is

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<v Speaker 2>a film from nineteen seventy six, directed by Martin Scorsese,

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<v Speaker 2>written by Paul Schrader, starring Robert de Niro, about a

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<v Speaker 2>Vietnam veteran taxi driver who is plotting a possible assassination

742
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<v Speaker 2>of a presidential candidate while getting obsessed with saving a

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<v Speaker 2>teenage prostitute from her pimp. In Times Square, you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>to me, talking to me, But who the hell are

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<v Speaker 2>you talking talking to me?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm the only one.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the course of this whole thing, he has

748
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<v Speaker 2>a brief flirtation with Sybil Shepherd, who is a campaign

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<v Speaker 2>worker at the staff of the presidential candidate whom he

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<v Speaker 2>is considering assassinating. As we discovered in the course of

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<v Speaker 2>the plot, he ends up saving the teenage prostitute from

752
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<v Speaker 2>her pimp and an incredibly bloody one of the bloodiest

753
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<v Speaker 2>scenes in film history in a tenement shootout. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the last scene is him driving his cab and Sybil

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<v Speaker 2>Shepherd gets into the cab and having ditched him because

756
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<v Speaker 2>he had taken her to a hardcore porn movie. In

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<v Speaker 2>Times Square, rather like Jonah taking the nice young girl

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<v Speaker 2>in Prague to see Silence of the Lambs on the date,

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<v Speaker 2>Darnk tutened she flirts with him, and he kind of

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<v Speaker 2>flirts with her back, and then she gets out of

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<v Speaker 2>the cab, and then you see his eyes in the

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<v Speaker 2>rearview mirror. And there's always been a debate about whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not either the scene in which he survives the

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<v Speaker 2>shooting of the pimp that maybe he dies and that

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<v Speaker 2>the final scene is his fantasy life, or that the

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<v Speaker 2>entire murder of the pimp is a fantasy, as is

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<v Speaker 2>Sybil Shepherd's appearance in his cab, and that he remains

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<v Speaker 2>the same psychopath that he was all along. So this

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<v Speaker 2>has been a debate since the movie came out, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if either of you has a theory

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<v Speaker 2>or whether this was.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd have to rewatch it. It's been a long time since,

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<v Speaker 3>so watch that. The only thing I will say about

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<v Speaker 3>Taxi Driver is last year were to comment about it,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys talked about on Commentary Pod, there was that

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<v Speaker 3>poll that came out that said the huge numbers of

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<v Speaker 3>Americans think life was better fifty years ago in America.

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<v Speaker 3>Go watch Taxi Driver. Yeah, yeah, tell me that, Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I will say for the for the record

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<v Speaker 2>that I believe that the final scene with Sybil Shepherd

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<v Speaker 2>in the Cab is Travis Bickle's fantasy, and that and

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<v Speaker 2>that yes, he he believes that he has become this

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<v Speaker 2>great hero and that his only goal really is to

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<v Speaker 2>be thought of as a hero, but that this doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't really happen. I what's interesting is in a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks, this a billion dollar movie is about to

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<v Speaker 2>open the sequel to Joker, right the Joaquin Phoenix Joker.

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<v Speaker 2>You when the Oscar for a Joker made a billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the sequel, Joker Folio Do, which he

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<v Speaker 2>co stars with Lady Gaga. So what was striking to

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<v Speaker 2>me about Joker when it came out in twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>is that it was an homage, which is to say,

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<v Speaker 2>a complete ripoff of Taxi Driver, and not only a

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<v Speaker 2>ripoff of Taxi Driver, but then stitched together with Taxi

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<v Speaker 2>Driver was Martin Squersese's movie made three movies later, King

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<v Speaker 2>of Comedy, which is also the plot of Joker, which

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<v Speaker 2>is Taxi Driver meets King of Comedy. And it is

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<v Speaker 2>astounding to me that you can sort of do that,

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<v Speaker 2>that there was something shocking about the degree to which

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<v Speaker 2>the entire all the emotional beats everything. Basically Jaquin Phoenix

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<v Speaker 2>is playing Travis Bickel, and that's fine. So he won

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<v Speaker 2>an Oscar for it. Congratulations. But this is the weird

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<v Speaker 2>part about Joker folio do as a comes out. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a ripoff as far as I can tell from the

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<v Speaker 2>trailer of another movie from the same period, which is

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Fosse's All That Jazz, because it's a musical and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a musical that takes place in the head of

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<v Speaker 2>the Joker apparently and is all about killing and murder

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<v Speaker 2>or suicide or whatever, which is what All That Jazz is,

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<v Speaker 2>which is fantastic, one of my favorite movies of all

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<v Speaker 2>time actually, but nonetheless very interesting that we are now

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<v Speaker 2>mining the seventies so deeply and with such that or

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood is now this guy Todd Phillips who made it,

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<v Speaker 2>is like, I'm just going to remake All That Jazz,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not going to pay Bob Fossey's estate. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna make the Joker into the Roy Scheider Bob

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<v Speaker 2>Fosse character, and that'll be fine, and I can make

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<v Speaker 2>a billion dollars. Now we're getting into the weeds. You

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<v Speaker 2>want weeds, I got weeds. For you. On a recent flight,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Dana writes, I watched an episode of the Twilight Zone.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start ed Winn. Ed Win, what a great actor

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<v Speaker 2>in Personal Win.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, Ed Winn is Noted Winn.

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<v Speaker 2>Any favorite memories or roles of ed I need to

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<v Speaker 2>rewatch the Diary of Ann Frank, which Edwin was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Ed Winn was a great vodvillian and Broadway star of

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<v Speaker 2>the twenties, thirties and forties. Does anyone remember?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we're being true. I feel I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that he didn't. He doesn't care about ed Winn.

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<v Speaker 1>He just wants to get Grandpa going. He's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you say about ed Winn? And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of people listening to this right now and say,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way to let me tell you. Come on, no,

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00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:44.559
<v Speaker 1>I think I thy're gonna And there's like a drinking

836
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:48.599
<v Speaker 1>game that happened right this minute about whether any whether

837
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:50.960
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about ed Win or not. So I don't know.

838
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I really have no feelings.

839
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Remember Ed Disney was the thing he was. He played

840
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Uncle Albert in Mary Potter.

841
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:02.719
<v Speaker 1>I love to love.

842
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Long and clear.

843
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I love to love.

844
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:19.440
<v Speaker 2>That's I would say that's the only thing that I

845
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:21.400
<v Speaker 2>know Edwin from.

846
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh Fred Gwinn, Just to be clear, but I mean Edwin.

847
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Fred Gwynn, not Win. Here's what I remember about Fred

848
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:33.599
<v Speaker 2>Gwynn is that every time that Fred Winn was interviewed,

849
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.000
<v Speaker 2>of course Herman Munster, and then after Herman Munster, he

850
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:39.960
<v Speaker 2>had a queer as a character. Actor hated being associated

851
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.320
<v Speaker 2>with Herman Munster, like all TV stars of the old

852
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:46.159
<v Speaker 2>days when they thought they were more important than their shows,

853
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.199
<v Speaker 2>And Fred Gwinn had to let you know that he

854
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 2>went to Harvard. You never read an interview with Fred

855
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Winn that didn't say went to Harvard. You never heard

856
00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:57.320
<v Speaker 2>anything about Fred Winn that didn't say went to Harvard.

857
00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:59.079
<v Speaker 2>He went to Harvard. I just want you to know that.

858
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:01.440
<v Speaker 1>He was No Monster went to Harvard is a kind

859
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:01.920
<v Speaker 1>of a story.

860
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:02.960
<v Speaker 3>That's definitely, But.

861
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:09.119
<v Speaker 2>John Aston, who played Gomez Adams, also went to Harvard.

862
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:13.320
<v Speaker 2>He was intellectually secure enough not to mention it.

863
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Every Like you believe that Goz went to Harvard, you

864
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:20.840
<v Speaker 1>do not believe that Herman Monster went to Harvard. Herman

865
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Monster at best went to Cornell. I don't know that

866
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:27.159
<v Speaker 1>the guy from from.

867
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:35.679
<v Speaker 3>The the Joe Petty Lawyer movie. Yeah, no, I know

868
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:38.800
<v Speaker 3>that guy went to Harvard, but it's funny.

869
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:42.719
<v Speaker 2>But really to Mississippi State, that would be my guess.

870
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:44.119
<v Speaker 2>But I am the judge.

871
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.119
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I was recently driven through northern Maryland a

872
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:49.119
<v Speaker 3>couple of a month and a half ago in the

873
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:54.360
<v Speaker 3>sprinter van and we drove through Teeneytown, Maryland, sure, which

874
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:57.159
<v Speaker 3>is kind of charming and seemed to be thriving for

875
00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:59.280
<v Speaker 3>a lot of small towns don't seem to be thriving anymore.

876
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.639
<v Speaker 3>And I'm I'm googling tiny town like wanting to know

877
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:04.800
<v Speaker 3>like the history of it. And it's not related to

878
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:06.880
<v Speaker 3>the Tainy from the Teiney decision Ary that kind of stuff.

879
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:11.960
<v Speaker 3>But it is where Fred Gwyn lived and died at

880
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:13.840
<v Speaker 3>the end of his life, where he retired and died,

881
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:15.480
<v Speaker 3>this Kingstown found in Maryland.

882
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:22.079
<v Speaker 2>He needed a big coffin. Yeah he was one. He

883
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:23.559
<v Speaker 2>was one tall drink of water.

884
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Also he was. He was buried with so much

885
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:32.639
<v Speaker 1>of his Harvard me bill. He went to Harvard, just

886
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:36.920
<v Speaker 1>said the H bomb the twosan just said I went

887
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:39.519
<v Speaker 1>to school in Boston with a question mark at the end.

888
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:43.079
<v Speaker 2>I did see him once play Big Daddy and Cat

889
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.199
<v Speaker 2>on a Hanson roof on Broadway Elizabeth Ashley, and he

890
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:50.840
<v Speaker 2>was great. He was a really wonderful actor, particularly given

891
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:52.360
<v Speaker 2>his Harvard pedigree.

892
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Harvard traink is what I.

893
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:56.039
<v Speaker 2>Want to say, and by the way, fantastic as Herman Munster.

894
00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh no, he was good. I mean that very feels.

895
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Is beyond is beyond criticism. I would say that was

896
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:04.559
<v Speaker 2>a very original, delightful performance as Herman Munster.

897
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:08.440
<v Speaker 1>I have to say no, can I interrupt for one

898
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:10.599
<v Speaker 1>minute by saying it if there if this was a

899
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:12.719
<v Speaker 1>drinking game that they were playing to.

900
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:14.760
<v Speaker 2>See if we would go over an ed wmin.

901
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:17.360
<v Speaker 1>No, they didn't win, but I hope that if they

902
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:21.039
<v Speaker 1>were going to play that game they were going to

903
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:24.559
<v Speaker 1>they used a game changing product that I use also

904
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:26.920
<v Speaker 1>before night out with drinks. That it's called z biotics

905
00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:29.840
<v Speaker 1>pre alcohol. So let's face it, after a night with drinks,

906
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't bounce back the next day like I used to.

907
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:34.519
<v Speaker 1>I have to make a choice. I can either have

908
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:36.880
<v Speaker 1>a great night or a great next day. So let

909
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:38.440
<v Speaker 1>me tell you if it's a surefire way to wake

910
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:40.559
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911
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912
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913
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:49.960
<v Speaker 1>tackle rough mornings after drinking or after listening to glob

914
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:52.400
<v Speaker 1>having tried to play trick on us. So here's how

915
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:54.519
<v Speaker 1>it works. When you drink, alcohol gets converted into a

916
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:57.400
<v Speaker 1>toxic byproduct in the gut. And it's this by products,

917
00:51:57.400 --> 00:51:59.840
<v Speaker 1>not dehydration that's to blame for your rough next day

918
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.760
<v Speaker 1>we all get drink drink water. No, it's an actual

919
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:06.039
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920
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.559
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921
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:11.599
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922
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:13.440
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923
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:16.159
<v Speaker 1>me free stuff to try it out three years ago

924
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:19.239
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928
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:33.159
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941
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:10.280
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942
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:15.519
<v Speaker 2>Joana, listening to Rob continue to mention the fact that

943
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:17.400
<v Speaker 2>he has to be in class at eight thirty and

944
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:21.679
<v Speaker 2>all of that, And can I just say that I

945
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:27.000
<v Speaker 2>am being triggered. I am now going to have school

946
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:30.519
<v Speaker 2>nightmares every night for the next six months. I'm still

947
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm sixty three years old. I've been having school nightmares

948
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:36.760
<v Speaker 2>since I got to college. Me too, Okay, so now

949
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:38.719
<v Speaker 2>are you having them while you're at school?

950
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:40.599
<v Speaker 1>That's the problem. It's curious to have them. And I

951
00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:42.920
<v Speaker 1>would wake up and I would say, this is hilarious.

952
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I had this nightmare. It's not

953
00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:46.880
<v Speaker 1>really because I'm not in school. Now I have them

954
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:48.760
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, wait a minute, wait a minute, this

955
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:49.599
<v Speaker 1>could be true.

956
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:52.679
<v Speaker 3>I love about it is that not only do you

957
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:55.599
<v Speaker 3>are you going to wake up in a cold, sweat,

958
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:58.199
<v Speaker 3>stress nightmare, but what you're going to do when you

959
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:02.199
<v Speaker 3>wake up is rush to read the Bible, which is

960
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:04.559
<v Speaker 3>like such a great look if you're just watching from

961
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.639
<v Speaker 3>the outside on a camera, like, oh my gosh.

962
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.440
<v Speaker 1>He woke up in a panic and he's first Bible.

963
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:15.039
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's go hi brow for a second. We

964
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:22.039
<v Speaker 2>got a question here. I name the most overrated novels

965
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:26.199
<v Speaker 2>of the last two hundred years. Now, I know there's

966
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:28.639
<v Speaker 2>a whole world of people on the internet who love

967
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:32.719
<v Speaker 2>to do things like as I think happened to his

968
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:39.360
<v Speaker 2>shame Rob's friend. This American Life host Ira Gross? Who

969
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:42.639
<v Speaker 2>who went to see Glass? Excuse me? Did I say Gross?

970
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry? Who went to see king Lear? Terry Grose

971
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:49.039
<v Speaker 2>went to see king Lear in Central Park and an

972
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.360
<v Speaker 2>admittedly terrible production with John Lithgow and said, I don't

973
00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:56.440
<v Speaker 2>get it. King Lear is boring. When people are willing

974
00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:59.519
<v Speaker 2>to admit that Shakespeare is boring, and the world came

975
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:01.000
<v Speaker 2>down around it's had and he said, I don't know,

976
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:03.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm just But by the end of like the three

977
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:06.599
<v Speaker 2>hour Twitter hysteria, he had already gotten to the I

978
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:09.519
<v Speaker 2>don't know, I'm just some guy who was a radio show.

979
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Leave me alone. I'm so sorry all of that. So

980
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:14.199
<v Speaker 2>this is a big thing wanting to say, you know what.

981
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:14.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't like.

982
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:18.480
<v Speaker 2>But you know, everyone says that The Last Supper is

983
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:20.559
<v Speaker 2>a great painting. You know, I don't agree. It's a

984
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:22.800
<v Speaker 2>lousy painting. You know, that kind of thing. So that

985
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:27.000
<v Speaker 2>this this does there is jeopardy here in doing the

986
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:29.000
<v Speaker 2>most overrated novels of the last turn of years. But

987
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Moby Dick, thank you. Okay, uhb Dick, Moby Dick the

988
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:38.320
<v Speaker 2>most overrated novel I've ever read. Period. I'm going with that.

989
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:41.199
<v Speaker 2>I like it. I like the Ahab come conceit, I

990
00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:49.440
<v Speaker 2>like the ab Okay crappy on American stuff. Okay, I

991
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:53.679
<v Speaker 2>don't go anyway. I'm not a fan of family either,

992
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:57.960
<v Speaker 2>although which you'd have to pick the book.

993
00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Oka say something even even more, or you'll be quiet.

994
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:04.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't like The Great Gatsby.

995
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:10.719
<v Speaker 2>A more common opinion. Then you realize, for some reason,

996
00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:14.320
<v Speaker 2>over the last couple of years, I've discovered that many

997
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:17.679
<v Speaker 2>people do not really like The Great Gatsby.

998
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't like it. I mean I don't I didn't

999
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:22.480
<v Speaker 1>enjoy it. I don't think it's I mean, who cares.

1000
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:24.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't get it.

1001
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:26.199
<v Speaker 2>And I have a theory about The Great Gatsby and

1002
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:28.400
<v Speaker 2>why it has become the book that has become. First

1003
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:31.360
<v Speaker 2>of all, it can be read in all high school

1004
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:35.800
<v Speaker 2>classes because it is short. It is two hundred pages long.

1005
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:40.159
<v Speaker 2>It is very it doesn't have a lot of plot.

1006
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:44.760
<v Speaker 2>It's really a series of four sequences. It's got a

1007
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:46.239
<v Speaker 2>murder in it, so that's.

1008
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Good, right good.

1009
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:54.360
<v Speaker 2>It's got a big drinking scene, so that's good. I

1010
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:57.480
<v Speaker 2>read it again a couple of years so again one

1011
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:00.360
<v Speaker 2>of my kids was doing it, and I thought it

1012
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:05.840
<v Speaker 2>was both amazing and unbelievably sketchy. Like the thing about

1013
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:10.039
<v Speaker 2>it is, it's almost like the second draft, and he

1014
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:15.039
<v Speaker 2>needed to write two more drafts and thicken it, enrich it,

1015
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:19.440
<v Speaker 2>and solidify it, and he didn't. He got He wrote

1016
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:21.400
<v Speaker 2>down what he could write down, and that turned out

1017
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:25.159
<v Speaker 2>to be a thing of genius, because the book is

1018
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:29.840
<v Speaker 2>suggestive without being kind of like definitive, and you have

1019
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:31.760
<v Speaker 2>to bring a lot to it if you're a reader,

1020
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:34.480
<v Speaker 2>and it's really easy to read, and it's fast and

1021
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:38.159
<v Speaker 2>so for an American kid. That's why it's become the

1022
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:42.159
<v Speaker 2>Great American novel because unlike other great American novels, it's

1023
00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:44.039
<v Speaker 2>really short and you can read them three hours. What

1024
00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:45.239
<v Speaker 2>do you think of that as my theory?

1025
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:49.679
<v Speaker 3>I guess I got to play this game too, you do.

1026
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:54.079
<v Speaker 3>You guys read a lot more novels and retain them

1027
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:55.679
<v Speaker 3>than I do. That's one of the things, is like,

1028
00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:58.079
<v Speaker 3>if you can get me to read like a great

1029
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:02.719
<v Speaker 3>piece of literature, it's usually if I don't like it,

1030
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:07.599
<v Speaker 3>I don't finish it right. But I will say, you know,

1031
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:13.000
<v Speaker 3>we often say the golden age of science fiction is sixteen, right,

1032
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:19.559
<v Speaker 3>I missed the like Catcher in the Rye did not

1033
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:23.239
<v Speaker 3>grab me by the soul, and I understand that it

1034
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:26.599
<v Speaker 3>does for some people. But I was just like eh

1035
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:34.559
<v Speaker 3>and just never got the palpitations from it. So I'm

1036
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.159
<v Speaker 3>not saying that people who do are wrong, because some

1037
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:39.039
<v Speaker 3>books you just need to read at the right age,

1038
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:42.000
<v Speaker 3>and I was maybe too cynical and jaundice or whatever.

1039
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:47.159
<v Speaker 2>But uh no, I think the Catcher and the Rye.

1040
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:49.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't like Catcher in the Rye. I don't like

1041
00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:52.239
<v Speaker 2>what it says. I don't like what it is as

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00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:56.440
<v Speaker 2>a piece of imaginative literature or sort of if you

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00:58:56.519 --> 00:58:58.719
<v Speaker 2>want to think of what it proposes or what it

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00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:03.360
<v Speaker 2>propels about the world, what it has, and what I

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00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:06.000
<v Speaker 2>think is the reason that it endures, like my son's

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00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:10.559
<v Speaker 2>about to read it in ninth grade, is it has

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00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:16.519
<v Speaker 2>an incredibly charming authorial voice that Salinger found for Holden Callfield.

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00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:19.880
<v Speaker 2>And it's all the voice because it's the radically subjective,

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00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:22.760
<v Speaker 2>it's all him. It's just through his eyes. And this

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00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:28.199
<v Speaker 2>weekend of that sort of this disastrous weekend in his life.

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<v Speaker 2>Again a book that's easy to read, which is one

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00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:38.559
<v Speaker 2>of the reasons why it remains read. And I like,

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00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure that kids should read it, not just

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<v Speaker 2>because John Hinckley shot Ronald Reagan because he read it.

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<v Speaker 3>But it does he watched Taxi Driver, Oh my god, wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Okay, So we got Catcher in the Rye, we

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00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:59.079
<v Speaker 2>got Moby Dick, we got Gatsby. As the three most

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<v Speaker 2>over books of the last two hundred years, I would

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<v Speaker 2>ask one other question then yes, okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean this is more of an intellectual point than

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<v Speaker 3>it is a literary point.

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<v Speaker 2>But like.

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<v Speaker 3>Edward Bellamy's Looking Backwards Between the Last two hundred Years

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<v Speaker 3>was arguably the one of the most influential books ever

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01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:23.960
<v Speaker 3>written in the English language or in America. It launched

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<v Speaker 3>all sorts of utopian and nationalist movements in the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>And it is garbage, but it was wildly influential. It's

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<v Speaker 3>largely forgotten now, but like I had to read it

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<v Speaker 3>for yeah, for two books I wrote, and and it's

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<v Speaker 3>like the people who fell for HG. Wells, they fell

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<v Speaker 3>for Bellamy.

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<v Speaker 2>First I just thought that, well, that that is a right, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a whole other interesting topic is the world of

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<v Speaker 2>the false prediction and how unbelievably damaging the false predictive

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<v Speaker 2>stuff was, and then also how astounding the like yeah

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<v Speaker 2>and every ones are you know? That really kind of

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<v Speaker 2>freak you out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also set us up though, for this flying car

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<v Speaker 1>thing people always talk about, like, oh, where are the

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<v Speaker 1>fly was promised flying cars? Like can you imagine how

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<v Speaker 1>awful it would be if cars could fly? Who wants

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<v Speaker 1>flying cars?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, everybody else had them.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be awful if you elite had them, but you

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Jonah, where where can people find you?

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01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:57.679
<v Speaker 3>In the next couple of weeks, I'll be if all

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01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:00.800
<v Speaker 3>if my flight home works out, I will be on

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01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:04.440
<v Speaker 3>the Chris Waller Show this Saturday, and I will be

1117
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:08.400
<v Speaker 3>doing scenn on Monday from New York for the.

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<v Speaker 2>Pre would be Monday the thirtieth, something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, the pre vice presidential debate commentary on CNN, and

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<v Speaker 3>then I will go home from that and that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I just say that Tim wall said the best

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01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:29.159
<v Speaker 2>thing ever in the history of anything in terms of.

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<v Speaker 3>Revelations of you're talking about studies are biblical history, and

1124
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:38.239
<v Speaker 3>you're saying, guy, yes, the best things ever in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of revelations.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm saying that, of course ironically, as I assume

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<v Speaker 2>you assume if I'm saying that, Tim wall said a

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<v Speaker 2>great thing where giving a speak getting himself wound up.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like winding himself up as he's going, he's going

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<v Speaker 2>talking about everything. He's like, we can't go on another

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01:03:56.199 --> 01:04:03.119
<v Speaker 2>four years like this. Yeah, uh, and you know what.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree. That's why Tim Waltz was a unique choice

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01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:11.480
<v Speaker 2>for a vice. We can't go on another four years

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<v Speaker 2>like this was a was a great moment. So I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you I hope someone asks him what he meant

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<v Speaker 2>by that during that debate, which of course is a

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<v Speaker 2>week from is neck October first.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Rob, what about you now that you are, aside

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<v Speaker 2>from being at a Nassau Hall or wherever the hell

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01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:34.679
<v Speaker 2>you have your your classes. I thought that was a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good poll.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not bad.

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01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:38.360
<v Speaker 2>I haven't been I didn't go to prison.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's not the university. We're not the university.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sorry you're that. You are not you are there?

1147
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:46.000
<v Speaker 1>They separated the administrata.

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<v Speaker 2>So are you in the cotton, either building or the.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you can't do a Fred Gwyn I went

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<v Speaker 3>to Princeton kind of deal.

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01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:57.079
<v Speaker 1>You can, but you know, you'd have to say, I

1152
01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:00.400
<v Speaker 1>went to Princeton, but it's not exactly price charter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I could be found in chapel. Okay, I can be

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01:05:07.559 --> 01:05:12.039
<v Speaker 1>found in the library. Okay, can you be found a

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<v Speaker 1>Martini shot?

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<v Speaker 2>Martini shot? Still going there because I'm still on the best,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And of course in the pages of commentary

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01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:25.679
<v Speaker 2>and page see every month I I am. I am

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<v Speaker 2>nowhere except on the commentary podcast, and I have discovered

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<v Speaker 2>something interesting. No, but I discovered something interesting, which is

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01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:36.480
<v Speaker 2>like people ask me to go on their podcasts. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure it happens to you. When Jonah came on the

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<v Speaker 2>commentary podcast very grace graciously last week and Rob, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess you still do the rics podcast the times.

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<v Speaker 1>Not all not not all the time Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, But like I realized, you know, I like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>on the air an hour day, five days a week.

1169
01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm done, Like I don't want to do any more,

1170
01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't, you know, unless someone wants to pay

1171
01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:08.639
<v Speaker 2>me money. Really, I'm not going on your pot. Basically,

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01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I can't do it, like I'm I'm I'm all in,

1173
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:14.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm all out, like I'm spent, like my you know,

1174
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:16.519
<v Speaker 2>my wife wants to talk to me on Saturdays, and

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01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:19.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I don't even know if I've anything left

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<v Speaker 2>to say. And then I think about like Rush Limbough,

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<v Speaker 2>people like that talk fifteen hours a week or handy

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<v Speaker 2>like three hours a week on the radio and an

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<v Speaker 2>hour on TV at night.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what you're saying, you're saying, John Pator, it's you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me see if I know what you're saying. You're saying.

1182
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<v Speaker 1>You're saying that you that you're you're done. Like yet

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't do fifteen hours twenty hours a week. You

1184
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<v Speaker 1>couldn't pay me, and I could do it. I'll pay

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01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:51.760
<v Speaker 1>you what you can do. I posit, John of Doors,

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<v Speaker 1>and I posit this with all the Christian love, not

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<v Speaker 1>to that I have, because I don't have that much,

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01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:59.280
<v Speaker 1>but all that's that exists, and that's a lot that

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<v Speaker 1>you're studying to get that I'm studying. I posit, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>that you could do it without paytent. You are gifted

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<v Speaker 1>in that respect.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to gin up some money here because unlike Jonah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not making any money on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean either.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, by the way horrified. I will tell you

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<v Speaker 2>what it's like to be a writer and a monster

1197
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<v Speaker 2>at the same time being both. On last week, this

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<v Speaker 2>terrible thing happened to Rich Lowry. Right, Rich Lowry was

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<v Speaker 2>accused falsely and disgustingly used, you know, used a bad

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<v Speaker 2>word on the air. People like tried to spin it

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01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:48.280
<v Speaker 2>up at something on Twitter. And he lost two speaking

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<v Speaker 2>gigs and it was really shameful. And rich is a

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful person. And I've known him for thirty years and

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<v Speaker 2>he has never said anything offensive about anybody ever in

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01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:02.320
<v Speaker 2>my entire experience of him. And I'm sure Jonah, you

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01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:03.920
<v Speaker 2>got all three of us know him. And no, this

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01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:04.280
<v Speaker 2>is true.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't stop you for trying to get those gigs

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<v Speaker 1>for yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it was terrible that he lost.

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01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:12.599
<v Speaker 1>He's a good friend. I love him the Badger Institute.

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<v Speaker 2>No, wait a minute.

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01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:16.880
<v Speaker 1>When I emailed the people who canceled him, I told

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01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:20.199
<v Speaker 1>him I was available. I also gave them a piece

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01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:23.359
<v Speaker 1>of my mind. No, no, this is no.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going somewhere else. I was in the Why

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01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:32.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't I get speaking gigs. That's where I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in the Hey, cancel me.

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell he had it to magazine? I had

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01:08:37.319 --> 01:08:41.720
<v Speaker 2>a magazine. I'm a pretty compelling He's out there getting gigs.

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<v Speaker 2>What about me? I didn't feel sorry enough for him

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<v Speaker 2>that he was punished unjustly for this horrible, you know,

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01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:56.279
<v Speaker 2>horrible mistreatment. I had a little I had a teeny

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01:08:56.319 --> 01:09:00.840
<v Speaker 2>bit of Shotenfreuda undeserved. He did not not deserve shod

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01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:03.880
<v Speaker 2>before it from me. I have nothing but kind feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about me. It's what is nice, as my as my.

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<v Speaker 1>Pastor nice And you realize you're a pharisee g thanks.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, regular thing would make this a regular thing.

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<v Speaker 3>On glop Is, the last five minutes are ask Father

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<v Speaker 3>rob or yeah right, where behavior? And then ask for

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01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:33.520
<v Speaker 3>contrition and the guidance and healing from yes, yes, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the month of Eld. This is the Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>month of Eld, and we are to when we are

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<v Speaker 2>to reflect upon our behavior in the in the previous year,

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<v Speaker 2>as we approach the high Holy Days which begin next

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01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:50.039
<v Speaker 2>week and in which we go through the ten days

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<v Speaker 2>of Awe, in which we are to reflect on our

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01:09:52.039 --> 01:09:57.439
<v Speaker 2>own misdeeds, failures, and seek a restitution with with the

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01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:00.159
<v Speaker 2>Lord to have the Lord of Verth the evil to

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01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:02.680
<v Speaker 2>create let us continue to be inscribed in the Book

1241
01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:05.279
<v Speaker 2>of Life for another year. So I guess what I

1242
01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:07.199
<v Speaker 2>did here, even though it is not yet the days

1243
01:10:07.199 --> 01:10:11.319
<v Speaker 2>of all, was uh, make some kind of a public

1244
01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:17.479
<v Speaker 2>amend to Rich Lowry for not being sufficiently upset at

1245
01:10:17.479 --> 01:10:20.439
<v Speaker 2>his loss of a speaking gig. Me.

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01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:21.720
<v Speaker 1>No, you would never hear that from me.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so Rich, I'm sorry, Joan up. I can't wait

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<v Speaker 2>to see you on with with Chris Wallace. Uh and

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<v Speaker 2>uh and Rob just say uh. You know the problem

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<v Speaker 2>is that you're like high Church and I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know what what what it is I'm allowed to say

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<v Speaker 2>to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm so, I'm so high Church. You could say

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<v Speaker 1>anything if it's really you could say now I'm as

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<v Speaker 1>stay and it'd be like I think you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I know we're running along, but I just I

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<v Speaker 3>want to get your take on this real quick. Went

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<v Speaker 3>to the CI dinner last week. Great time. They gave

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<v Speaker 3>George Willie award. A very charming lady got another award.

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<v Speaker 3>It was at the National Cathedral, sure right, and which

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<v Speaker 3>is just like an event space, which I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 3>I really approve approve of. But and then they do

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<v Speaker 3>a joking video at the end that was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>funny for its painful nerdiness. Fine. Fine, And then they

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<v Speaker 3>had these dancers performers that who were the theme of

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<v Speaker 3>the night was Prometheus, and literally on the altar at

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<v Speaker 3>the National Cathedral they're doing like this modern dance circusolet

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<v Speaker 3>thing in homage to Prometheus. And I like.

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<v Speaker 1>This even offends me to a pagan dance literally.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like literally pagan in the National Cathedral.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just if you, if you go, if you'd

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<v Speaker 1>look at the uh you go to anything that's at

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<v Speaker 1>the cathedral, say, John, the Divine is the cathedral in

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<v Speaker 1>the New York, New York. That's where the bishop is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the biggest giant case. I think it's the second

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<v Speaker 1>largest largest Gothic style cathedral in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>The dog and cat stuff, which is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And usually in the back of the whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>program is, they'll have a list of people, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the the staff and the people associated with the cathedral

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<v Speaker 1>and the bishop and the bitch of coadjutor, the all

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<v Speaker 1>the it's a huge thing. And then they have this other,

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<v Speaker 1>this other job that's down there, which is the resident

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<v Speaker 1>trapeze artist. No, no, sorry it was wrong. No, the

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<v Speaker 1>resident tightrope.

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<v Speaker 3>Artiste artist in residence.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think it's what it is. Actually, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it is. Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 2>At least change the light bulbs.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, that's a good question. They have a

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<v Speaker 1>little speak of circus lays. So yeah, I mean, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we probablybably should be rethinking. The irony is that we

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<v Speaker 1>took this is another glop and I had to run.

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<v Speaker 1>But we took all of the mystery and the grandeur

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<v Speaker 1>out of the religion, religious experiences, certainly the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>are sort of foundational American you know, the mainline of

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<v Speaker 1>Protestant churches. And then because we say, oh, well, people

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<v Speaker 1>don't want that, and then you look at what people do,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like they're going to burning Man and they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to yoga, and they're chanting, and they're doing all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of things that suggest that actually people are incredibly,

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly in search of mystery. And meanwhile, the mainline American

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<v Speaker 1>Protestant churches that built the country, you're busy saying things

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<v Speaker 1>like it's all a metaphor, don't worry about it. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, we have Starbucks coffee and okay, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have a little We're gonna do a Prometheus,

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<v Speaker 1>because Prometheus is basically Jesus, you know, like, oh, by

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<v Speaker 1>the altar, it's not even an altar. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>end up kind of where they are, which they like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>why isn't anybody ever coming anymore? Well, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>you told them to go to Starbucks. So that's where they.

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<v Speaker 2>Are an unexpectedly deep ending.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, that's why I want. We're here to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about the good news. You see, John, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Can all right later later go with God.

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<v Speaker 4>My toe bones connected to my foot bole. My foot

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<v Speaker 4>bones connected to my heel bone. My heel bones connected

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<v Speaker 4>to my ankle ball. That's how they connected those dry

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<v Speaker 4>bone do do do do do do do do do

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<v Speaker 4>do shut Charlie shit bones connected to my knee bone.

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<v Speaker 4>My knee bones, can do month fine bone, My fine

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<v Speaker 4>bones connected to month hippo bone. That's how they connected

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<v Speaker 4>those ryme bones. Do do do do do do do

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<v Speaker 4>do Do Do Do with Dr Frankensteins where my story starts.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything that have may not be mine, but I'm a

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<v Speaker 4>gentleman of parts. Microphones connected to my shoulder bone. My

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<v Speaker 4>shoulder bones connected to my neck bone. My neck bone

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<v Speaker 4>is boulder tuma, headbone. And that's how Herman was born.

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<v Speaker 4>I was assembled, and that's how Hermie baby was bond