1
00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,240
Speaker 1: Hey, if you like me and you get in the

2
00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:03,000
car and you're wondering what can I listen to? When

3
00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,480
it comes to a podcast, the same old thing is

4
00:00:05,599 --> 00:00:09,039
every day. That's why we created Aro dot net aar

5
00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,880
r oe dot Net. One of the hot features that voice.

6
00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,560
I've spent ten years with those that have been featured

7
00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:19,039
on NBC's The Voice. Go back, re equate yourself to

8
00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,039
the conversation and relive those moments before they became what

9
00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:27,160
they became. That voice only on Ero dot net a

10
00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,000
r r oe dot Net. Enjoy your exploration. How are

11
00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:32,840
you doing today?

12
00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,079
Speaker 2: Excellent? Tell you so well.

13
00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to share a conversation with you because

14
00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,840
you're getting to do what so many of us would

15
00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,200
like to do. But for some reason, we keep hitting

16
00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,920
these walls, and I don't understand why we can't just

17
00:00:47,119 --> 00:00:49,439
let go and just go on a wayfair kind of

18
00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,039
a journey.

19
00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:56,520
Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what it is besides the financial components,

20
00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,200
so let's leave that out for a second. But I

21
00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,359
think people feel like it's daunting because it needs all

22
00:01:03,399 --> 00:01:06,799
this planning. But I have been trying to encourage people

23
00:01:07,159 --> 00:01:10,200
to just start traveling in their own city, in their

24
00:01:10,239 --> 00:01:14,480
own state, in their own whatever small region, and then

25
00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,000
it starts to feel less daunting, and then you can

26
00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,959
expand it out of state, out of country, and perhaps intergalactic.

27
00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:27,840
I mean that's possible now too. So I think people

28
00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:33,799
worry that there's there's these unknowns. People worry about the unknown,

29
00:01:33,879 --> 00:01:36,920
right they think, what if this happens? But if you

30
00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,920
change your mind and just says, and you can tell yourself,

31
00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,840
what if this magical adventure happens, then little by little

32
00:01:45,359 --> 00:01:48,560
something wayfindery will find you.

33
00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,959
Speaker 1: But see, I'm so inspired by this wayfinder attitude and journey.

34
00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,359
And the reason why is because I've sat with many

35
00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,439
medicine men who always tell me how they use mile markers. It's,

36
00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,319
you know, kind of show them what the path is.

37
00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,480
They didn't have a map, they only had these places

38
00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:07,280
of discovery and that's where and they would document, you know,

39
00:02:07,359 --> 00:02:10,240
how they would make their way into a brand new day.

40
00:02:11,599 --> 00:02:14,800
Speaker 2: Wow. You know. I was in Kenya a week ago

41
00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,319
spending time with the Samburu people, so tribe in the

42
00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,599
northern part of Kenya, and one night we were sitting

43
00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:28,000
under the stars and there was a sort of distant thunderstorm,

44
00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,240
so some lightning coming through the clouds and the stars

45
00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,639
that opened up in the Milky Way, and the elder

46
00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:39,120
tribal member started to talk to me about how they

47
00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,120
had been navigating by the stars and how even today

48
00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,680
they know exactly where everything is. It was magical, like

49
00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,639
because I'm so used to going on my phone and

50
00:02:52,759 --> 00:02:55,759
using it to navigate, and it reminded me to just

51
00:02:55,879 --> 00:03:00,879
trust a sort of something more primal in me, something more,

52
00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,280
something less digital, something more analogue, to just kind of

53
00:03:05,439 --> 00:03:07,280
navigate your world. Well.

54
00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,360
Speaker 1: See, that's what I love about traveling and being in

55
00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,879
r veer is the fact that I document everything in journals,

56
00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,599
and I'll go into these journals and I'll see what

57
00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,479
we did the last time, what did we learn from this?

58
00:03:18,759 --> 00:03:20,599
But when you talk about, you know, looking up at

59
00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,199
that sky and stuff, maybe it's because I'm from Montana,

60
00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,199
but looking up into the sky to find out where

61
00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,360
you are, guy, Oh my god, there's just something up

62
00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,879
there that is constantly speaking to every one of us.

63
00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're totally right. We forget. I think it's because

64
00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:40,159
we're so we live such digital lives because everything is

65
00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:44,400
on the phone, and there's a part of my travel

66
00:03:44,639 --> 00:03:47,199
inspiration that I try and hand to people. And I'm

67
00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:49,240
working on a book at the moment, and this is

68
00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,439
what the book will be about, and it's put the

69
00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:56,199
phone down. It's okay to get lost. Look, there's a

70
00:03:56,199 --> 00:03:58,520
moment where you get lost in. It's dangerous. For the

71
00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,800
most part. You're getting lost in it magical if you

72
00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:05,400
have the right attitude. But if you follow your phone

73
00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,039
the entire time, we lose the ability to navigate. Right

74
00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:16,160
Like we become android androids, we become robotic. And I

75
00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,120
know for myself, I'm going to Korea this week. I

76
00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:22,759
know that there are a couple of places I really

77
00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,759
want to see and soul, but for the most part,

78
00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,279
I'm just going to walk. You know. I pack comfortable shoes,

79
00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:35,079
I pack some sunglasses, and I'm off. I don't I

80
00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,160
sort of try and get off the map and off

81
00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,199
the phone, and then that is when the adventure happens.

82
00:04:41,399 --> 00:04:44,360
But I understand that for most people this is hard

83
00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,519
because we're so used to the support of well now

84
00:04:47,519 --> 00:04:52,720
it's Ai right, like Lord, it's there all the time. No,

85
00:04:52,879 --> 00:04:56,199
it is helping us. But at the same time, you

86
00:04:56,319 --> 00:04:58,759
need to know when to put that down. You need

87
00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,279
to know that the adventure is not on the phone,

88
00:05:02,439 --> 00:05:05,079
because you can do that at home. The adventure is

89
00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:05,879
right in front of good.

90
00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,319
Speaker 1: One thing that I'm very much afraid of is the

91
00:05:09,319 --> 00:05:14,040
Google Calendar, because that is a map that really because

92
00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,480
for me to put today together, I actually start almost

93
00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,079
a week and a half ago. And that's just the

94
00:05:20,079 --> 00:05:22,000
way that it is. And so when you speak of

95
00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,079
this open land free, I can go out and look

96
00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,680
at the stars and stuff I'm going, But how would

97
00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,720
my Google calendar handle this? I'm not the only one.

98
00:05:31,879 --> 00:05:34,240
Speaker 2: I Am going to come and take your phone away

99
00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,639
from you and just challenge you and come ride with

100
00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,360
you in an R and V and see where we

101
00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:41,879
end up. That's my challenge to you.

102
00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,839
Speaker 1: Well, it's usually in a place where there's gonna be

103
00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,639
wild animals, because I am an animal activist in the

104
00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,040
way that I don't know if you've ever read Ted Andrews,

105
00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,000
but I believe animals speak to every one of us

106
00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,560
every day, and if we are not listening, we are

107
00:05:57,639 --> 00:05:59,600
missing out on a major page in history.

108
00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,439
Speaker 2: I love that, you know, my dog talks to me

109
00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,959
all the time. I love it so I can relate.

110
00:06:06,439 --> 00:06:10,120
You know, when I was in Safari in Kenya last week,

111
00:06:11,879 --> 00:06:15,800
I did see a lot of animal it was that's

112
00:06:16,079 --> 00:06:20,399
saw the Big Five and it was magical. But I

113
00:06:20,439 --> 00:06:24,639
also saw animals I've never seen before. There's a small

114
00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,480
cat to settled like it sort of looks like a

115
00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:33,000
large house cat, a very large, very lean, very mean

116
00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:37,680
house cat. And I sort of communicated with this cat

117
00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:40,160
in a weird way. We spent time together. I was

118
00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:42,360
on the game drive vehicle, but I was just sort

119
00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,560
of quietly sitting there and then my guide said to me,

120
00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,879
you know, it's very rare to see those. There are

121
00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:51,639
two of them in the MASSI Maha, and I saw

122
00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,680
them both and it was interesting. Like I when I

123
00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,519
go to Africa, I was born in South Africa, there

124
00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,319
is a sort of homecoming and a part of us

125
00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:05,319
that wants to commune with animals, that wants to understand

126
00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:09,480
that's something primal in us, and we lose touch with that,

127
00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,279
not just because we live in the city, but also

128
00:07:12,399 --> 00:07:14,759
just the way we live our lives. Right, Like, there's

129
00:07:14,759 --> 00:07:18,839
something so magical to sit at a watering hole watching

130
00:07:18,879 --> 00:07:23,720
the elephants play and communicate with each other, and you know,

131
00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,040
spread have them mocked bath and spray water, and there's

132
00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,439
something that we're missing in our day to day life

133
00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,560
where we're not doing enough of this.

134
00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,720
Speaker 1: But you know what's really interesting about this, Daniel, is

135
00:07:34,759 --> 00:07:37,399
that your podcast has given us the opportunity to live

136
00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,720
vicariously through you and so and as we listen to

137
00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:44,079
each episode, we're kind of soothing that little itch that

138
00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,879
we've got to be with animals and stories and traveling

139
00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,600
and things like that. But at the same time, you

140
00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:51,959
also challenge us get your little thinking noggin in order

141
00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,000
here and start planning your own journey.

142
00:07:55,319 --> 00:07:58,439
Speaker 2: I don't think so. There is a Safari episode coming

143
00:07:58,519 --> 00:08:01,959
in season two. I think people will appreciate, especially you

144
00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,079
if you're an activist. It's coming from someone very smart

145
00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:08,560
and interesting to talk about conservation and new ways of

146
00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:14,120
understanding conservation. Conservation is such a complicated topic, especially in Africa.

147
00:08:14,199 --> 00:08:17,560
But the episode's going to be great. But yeah, I

148
00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,560
do feel like I most people cannot travel for various reasons,

149
00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:27,560
but I encourage people to just try and start small.

150
00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:30,680
Just try and travel in your own town and then

151
00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,320
in your own state. But it is magic to be

152
00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,879
able to go somewhere and to lose yourself in order

153
00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:42,039
to find yourself. That's the goal, right, Like we want

154
00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,639
to grow and travel is a travel is like a

155
00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:48,919
it's a magical way of doing it, like it offers

156
00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:52,720
it to you so on a silver platter. It's like

157
00:08:52,879 --> 00:08:55,279
ready for the taking. You know, people go to Morocco,

158
00:08:55,320 --> 00:09:00,679
they've never been to this, to this, it's zote, as

159
00:09:00,799 --> 00:09:05,240
Americans would say, exotic place. The smells, the howked air

160
00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,480
balloon rides, the you know.

161
00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,919
Speaker 3: Snowball sandboarding, and the dunes going into the soup, and

162
00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,639
suddenly you're changed as a person, like you cannot remain

163
00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:19,720
the same version of yourself if you go to these

164
00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,679
places and open yourself.

165
00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,399
Speaker 1: Up, please do not move. There's more with Daniel Scheffler

166
00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,480
coming up next. The name of his podcast is Wayfinder.

167
00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,240
We're back with Daniel Scheffler. You know what, I'm so

168
00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:34,960
jealous of something that you said earlier about having this

169
00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:37,360
relationship with your dog and that your dog speaks to

170
00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:40,000
you and stuff, because and then you're talking about traveling

171
00:09:40,039 --> 00:09:42,519
and storytelling and the scent of the air. I wish

172
00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,720
that I could have the what a dog does inside

173
00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:48,600
their nose, because we are missing out on so much

174
00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:51,720
history by not smelling the ground that we walk on.

175
00:09:51,879 --> 00:09:53,799
And I know that sounds gross, but I think that

176
00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,840
we're missing out on so much stuff. When you talk

177
00:09:55,879 --> 00:09:59,720
about the scent in the air of Morocco, you're totally ride.

178
00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:02,879
Speaker 2: You know, my dog I live in Madrid now and

179
00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,919
she's she goes to the park every day with her

180
00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,360
friends and on the way she smells. And my husband

181
00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,399
and I were talking about this the other day. We

182
00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:17,120
were like, she's smelling more intensely here. It's longer history. Here,

183
00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,840
She's like smelling back to where the Arabs founded this town,

184
00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:27,080
and then to the Spanish. She smells the Inquisition. It

185
00:10:27,159 --> 00:10:30,159
is magical. She knows that I'm coming home. She can

186
00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,559
smell me before I arrive. There is something kind of

187
00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,039
crazy about that. Although she does travel with me a lot,

188
00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,919
she's a travel dog. On dog is like, isn't that

189
00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,080
the most sacred, sacred thing. I'm like, I love my husband,

190
00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,399
but my god, the dog.

191
00:10:45,759 --> 00:10:47,879
Speaker 1: My wife and I are convinced that you are a

192
00:10:47,919 --> 00:10:51,279
modern daytime traveler. Do you feel like you're wearing those slippers?

193
00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:57,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, why not the ruby slippers? Yeah? I do.

194
00:10:57,759 --> 00:11:02,639
I do feel that way. I I'm forever on the road,

195
00:11:02,879 --> 00:11:09,519
and there is something that does feel sort of crazy

196
00:11:10,159 --> 00:11:14,679
and chrontimistic. Antagonists oh no, what's the world and chronistic

197
00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:20,519
anachronistic to me that I sometimes go back to places

198
00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,039
that have never seen a white person, Like I've spent

199
00:11:23,159 --> 00:11:26,200
some time in Benning recently to go see the voodoo,

200
00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,000
and these people had never seen a white person. And

201
00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:33,440
then I go to places like Japan and I feel

202
00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,120
like I am in the future, right, like you see

203
00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,960
how things operate there, and then you're like, am I

204
00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:41,240
in the future. I'm going to soul this I told

205
00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,000
you this weekend, and it's like, you know, these these

206
00:11:44,039 --> 00:11:47,840
countries have a very futuristic perspective, so it does feel

207
00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,320
like that. And then like you know, I go to

208
00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,720
Africa and you're in a tribal village in rural Kenya

209
00:11:53,799 --> 00:11:58,519
and it does feel like something thousands of years old.

210
00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,000
So yeah, I guess, I guess I haven't thought about

211
00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:03,720
time travel in that way, but it just feels like it.

212
00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:06,360
Speaker 1: Well, one of the things that your podcast offers us,

213
00:12:06,399 --> 00:12:09,320
and this this is just strange old me, mister Powa

214
00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:11,720
guy who's been writing all these years, is that I

215
00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,320
believe that you're going to show me the needle in

216
00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,360
the haystack because you go to places that I know

217
00:12:17,399 --> 00:12:19,600
where that needle probably is, but I'm never going to

218
00:12:19,639 --> 00:12:21,399
make it there, but I'm going to rely on you

219
00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:22,240
to take me there.

220
00:12:23,639 --> 00:12:30,799
Speaker 2: Well, that is years and years of practice finding the needle,

221
00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,159
or perhaps I put the needle then in the first place, right,

222
00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:40,559
you know, I, you know, I think it's a As

223
00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,240
a professional traveler, it is my It is my gift

224
00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,840
to people to make it easier for them, because like

225
00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:51,559
I get to go and I never go to a

226
00:12:51,639 --> 00:12:54,279
place once. I can go as many times as I want.

227
00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,080
It's literally my job. But a lot of people they like,

228
00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,759
this is my one time. I'm going to whatever London

229
00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,000
and I want to give you the best of London,

230
00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:09,000
not necessarily the touristic things that you will find by yourself.

231
00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,360
Walk the streets of London. You'll have an adventure. But

232
00:13:12,399 --> 00:13:15,559
trust me, I've spent enough time in London to take

233
00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,519
you and to show you where to go where that

234
00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,919
needle is going to prick you in a way that

235
00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,559
you will love, love, love, And that's the role of

236
00:13:26,759 --> 00:13:30,039
the show. This is the method that we're sort of employing,

237
00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:35,440
is that this way find way of seeing the world

238
00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,919
is like, yeah, listen to us, will help you find

239
00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,320
the things that you're not necessarily expecting.

240
00:13:41,799 --> 00:13:43,720
Speaker 1: But you know what, though, Daniel, is the fact that

241
00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:46,000
in listening to the podcast or the one thing that

242
00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,720
in my heart is I feel like that you could

243
00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:51,240
predict a weather storm before it gets here, because you're

244
00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,279
so experienced with the atmosphere of all things in the

245
00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,759
universe that you're able to hear it, watch it, study it,

246
00:13:57,799 --> 00:14:00,000
and go. You know, I think it's going to ring

247
00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,080
in about an hour and a half. I just feel

248
00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,679
something that I felt maybe in Kenya. I think it's

249
00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:05,600
gonna happen here again.

250
00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're so you're showing the money. I

251
00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,120
was in Kenya and I said too. I was spending

252
00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:16,360
time at the mess I Warriors, some of the elders,

253
00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:20,639
and they literally can tell you exactly when it's going

254
00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,879
to rain. And I did ask. I asked the man.

255
00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,320
There were some big rains in Kenya when I was

256
00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,320
there last week. And I did ask this gentleman. I

257
00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:32,720
was like, can you just impart this onto me? Can

258
00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:34,840
you just paint this onto me so that I also

259
00:14:34,919 --> 00:14:38,919
have this Still, I think the thing that I can foretell,

260
00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,320
perhaps I cannot foretell the weather, but I can foretell

261
00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,919
that when there's about to be a good time. That

262
00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:46,799
is a skill that I've had, Like I know which

263
00:14:46,919 --> 00:14:51,000
when the party's good and the party's not, So perhaps

264
00:14:51,039 --> 00:14:54,000
that is is truth telling.

265
00:14:55,039 --> 00:14:58,039
Speaker 1: So then how are you going into each podcast? Because

266
00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,159
I'm a podcast writer as well as producer, and that's

267
00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,360
one of the things, you know, building that storyline, the

268
00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,000
consistency of you moving us forward. What is that like

269
00:15:08,039 --> 00:15:10,759
for you to go from actually living it now you

270
00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,120
got to tell the story? Oh my god?

271
00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,320
Speaker 2: Right, that is that is the skill. I mean, I

272
00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,200
have been doing this for two decades. You know, I

273
00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,720
write for the New York Times. I have a little

274
00:15:21,759 --> 00:15:24,559
I have a little experience. But no, I think it's

275
00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:29,080
like people are interested. If you are interesting and interested,

276
00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,720
off the battle is won, you know. I think that

277
00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,919
that's the rule. I also make sure that I'm friends

278
00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:39,879
with people that are both interesting and interested. So I

279
00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:43,320
think the north star we have for this show and

280
00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:47,399
my producers are wonderful, is that we're curious. Right, We're

281
00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:52,240
adding curiosity and we're moving the narrative forward by by

282
00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,360
also being curious. So we invite guests that are telling

283
00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:59,919
you things that perhaps you wouldn't know. Like I just

284
00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,559
had this wonderful author on She's had a she has

285
00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:07,240
a great book that just published last year, and she

286
00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,639
has spent her sort of last few decades in the

287
00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:17,039
stans so Kazakhstan to Kumanistan and she Opekistan. And the

288
00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:22,159
episode is on Ospekistan in summer cont and she talks

289
00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,039
about it in a way that gives you a little history,

290
00:16:25,159 --> 00:16:27,840
so you have a little context, but it also allows

291
00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:31,879
you to start uncovering in your own mind the sort

292
00:16:31,879 --> 00:16:35,399
of did I have prejudice about the Silk Roads? What

293
00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:38,799
do I really know? What do I want to understand?

294
00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,720
And how can I go there? And I think that's

295
00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:44,120
the goal we've got with the show, right, So perhaps

296
00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,039
the Silk Roads is a hard trip. It's far, there

297
00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:51,279
are no direct flights from America. But if you want

298
00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,799
to do something really special, you can travel with your

299
00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,840
mind ye with Joanna, Who's what the interviewee. And then

300
00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:02,720
perhaps when you're thinking about a trip and you're trying

301
00:17:02,759 --> 00:17:05,079
to be really adventurous, this is the one you'll pick.

302
00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,200
You know. Mexico's great. I love it. I go all

303
00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:09,720
the time, and I think it's one of the best

304
00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,680
countries in the planet, especially the food and the humans.

305
00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:18,440
They're wonderful, but there's also thank you stand waiting for you,

306
00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,920
you know so I think that's what I'm trying to

307
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,319
do with the show. That what's we're trying to do

308
00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,920
with the show is kind of get people out of

309
00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,880
a comfort zone and push them to sort of open

310
00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,920
themselves up in order to feel something. Travels should feel something,

311
00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,400
other ones. It's a holiday.

312
00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,799
Speaker 1: You got to come back to this show anytime in

313
00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:40,160
the future. Twenty minutes is never going to be enough.

314
00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,960
With you, Daniel, please come back.

315
00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,000
Speaker 2: Thank you for having a minute.

316
00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:45,799
Speaker 1: You be brilliant. Any day you be brilliant.

317
00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,240
Speaker 2: Thank you so, thank you so