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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah canap can happen? Cap? Can happen?

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There happen there now there have.

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Speaker 2: There have.

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Speaker 3: The happy.

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Speaker 2: Happy how.

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Speaker 3: Happen?

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Speaker 4: All right? What's up? Y'all? Welcome? Can you hear me?

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Make sure this sounds good? First, and we are gonna

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have a great show tonight. Jamie joins me to discuss

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the next globalism book that I thought would be appropriate,

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which is the HG. Well's book God the Invisible King,

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And she's gonna tell us all about this. She went

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into a great depth in this book. I thought it'd

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be neat for Jamie to step in and do a

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little bit of research. But before that, I want to

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do a little bit of house cleaning. We want to

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catch up on what else going on. And I did

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get to see the debate. But first the music, of course.

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The author of all the diro wave tracks is Amid

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the Ruins fourteen fifty three. Thank you for his stuff.

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We love his stuff. You can go subscribe his channel

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and watch that all that great music that he's done there,

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especially some of those sweet riffs. He's got some sweet,

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sweet riffs. And Jamie is my fiancee who doesn't know this.

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Come on, you guys know this by now. We've been

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doing this stuff for months and months and months. So

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she's going to be presenting tonight's Globalism book talk. She

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wanted to do a book. She wanted to do something

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dark and geopolitical, and she said, she said, I found

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this obscure HG. Wells book, and you've covered HG. Wells's books,

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So could I do this book? And I said absolutely.

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So the first thing I want to talk, let's talk

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about the Kurgan debate. Why were you so vicious in

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the Kurgan debate. Well, first of all, I knew that

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that was his intention to get me vicious, but a

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lot of people didn't see the background to the debate.

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They didn't see that the Kurgan had made multiple hours

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of videos of basically eighty to ninety percent of just

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name calling. So that's one reason I was vicious was

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that I interacted with him in the comments and I said,

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you know, the majority of your videos are just insults,

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And I said, you know, in the actual debate, I'm

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just going to demolish you. And so I warned him

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of this, and that's what I did. I demolished the

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arguments in the debate, and by the way, in the meantime,

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I've been writing an article today which, if you remember,

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in the debate, I actually listed multiple canon laws. I

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mentioned multiple sections of Denzinger, and I mentioned multiple areas

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of other Roman Catholic encyclicals and dogmatic works. So I'm

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going to be posting this article tonight that I've been

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working on, which is really just a collation of the

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arguments and the actual quotes, because people were confused, and

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apparently people aren't aware that there are different codes of

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canon law.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: There's a nineteen seventeen Code of canon Law, which is

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what I was citing, actually, and there's a nineteen eighty

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three update to canon law, which I didn't really cite

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except maybe I think one place I cited that the

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rest of the citations were actually from the nineteen seventeen

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Code of Candelaws. I'll be showing you those and linking

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to those, as well as showing you the citations in

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Denzinger and in Satis Cognitum and the Mestichicoporus, the encyclicals

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what I was referring to where I was getting my claims,

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and specifically all the references in dogmatic definitions from Vatican Wan.

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So everything that I said is absolutely one h percent

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verifiable in those dogmatic decrees and definitions, and I will

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show that to you very easily. The reason that he

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lost the debate so handily was that he had no

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idea what Denzinger was. He thought Denzinger was the name

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of some dude who wrote his theological opinions, when that,

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of course is the name of the one of the

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editors of the most famous manual of Roman Catholic dogma

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of all time. And that's why the debate was so heated.

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Was not to do with the fact, oh, you're just mean,

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And I think a lot of people don't realize they

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don't see what happens in the background. They don't see

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that a lot of the people that I'm responding to

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are people who have obsessively and obtusely and ridiculously done

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nothing but make just absurd attack videos that go on

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for literally hours that are again almost all name calling.

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So if you go to his videos, you'll find that

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that's what he did for video after video after videos.

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So that's the reason why the same thing happened with Eric.

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You Barro. People so why did you hop onto the

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stream and be so mean to Eric? You Barrow, I'm

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not being mean to these people. These are people who

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have had years, in the case of Eric Obara, of

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interactions with me going on in the background, going on

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on Facebook, going on on Twitter with other people. So

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there's a background in a context to a lot of

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the discussions that people don't see, and so they just

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assume that when I come into a debate, I'm going

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to just be mean. That's not the case. We always

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reach out to people with courtesy, with professionalism. I mean,

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I work in doing things in media. I've done a

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TV show, I've done countless interviews with professionals, people in

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high level positions of the state of government and so forth.

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And of course I wouldn't be able to do that

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if I was just a jerk who was always mean

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to people. But no, what happens in the cases of

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these specific instances, not all the debates, but in these

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specific instances, these are people who we have reached out

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to with courtesy and who have been in some way dastardly.

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In the case of Eric Ubara, I invited Eric Ubarro

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to debate for at least three years and he declined.

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And then the reason that I was angry with at

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Borrow when I hopped in that stream was because he

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said that I wouldn't debate him, which is a flat

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out lie. I invited him for three years to come

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to debate, and so when I hopped on the string,

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that's why I was heated, you see. And so people

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don't see this stuff and they think that guy just

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hops on the streams and he's mean. Not so. In fact,

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we have most of the debates, most of the discussions

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that we have are amicable, they're completely from and in

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the case of the next instance of Jordan Cooper, when

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we reached out to Jordan Cooper, we had we were

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completely friendly, completely nice. We offered the instance to either

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converse or debate. That's almost what we always what we do.

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We don't always just say we're through the debate, you bro.

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We offer the opportunity to have a conversation or to

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have a public debate, formal or informal, whatever people want

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to do. In the case of doctor Jordan Cooper, what

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he did was instead of replying to us in a

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courteous way, was to actually impugne our character, to say

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that I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist give a totally enormy

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account of how the world really works, which makes me

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want to question his discernment. If he can't even figure

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out how the world actually works in terms of major

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political geopolitical issues, how much spiritual discernment is he going

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to have if he can't. Are we supposed to just

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believe weapons of mass destruction story? Is that true?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: Is all these other events, all the epstein we just

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believe the official story on that?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've been here critiquing these kinds of narratives

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for a long time, and do we believe every conspiracy theory. No.

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In fact, we consistently argue against stupid conspiracies. We argue

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against UFOs and this bunch of bullshit nonsense. So to

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characterize us with the CIA's weaponized term of conspiracy theorist

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is quite absurd. Actually, even though I've been vindicated, I

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just made a vindication video what a month ago about

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about eight different things that I've talked about over the

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years that were kooky that I've been vindicated on in

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the last year alone. So it's just simply not the

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case that I mean to people. If people are vicious.

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People are aggressive with me, I will be aggressive back.

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And that's that's called being masculine. That's what men do.

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Men debate issues, and they debate them with aggression and

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with ferocity. And there's nothing gamma about that. Yeah, there's

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nothing weak about that. That's in fact manly and normative.

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In fact, if you look at the New Testament, you

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will see that Jesus aggressively addresses certain situations, like debating

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with the Pharisees. Jesus aggressively addressed the money changers in

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the temple, Paul aggressively debated. Paul constantly debated in the synagogues,

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in the Book of Acts, Paul constantly opposes people who

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teach incorrect things. And in fact, at times he even

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prays in Tewod Timothy four and in precatory prayer against

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his enemies. David prayed in pregatory prayers the Orthodox Church

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praise and pregatory prayers. And so it is not always

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spiritual and correct quote unquote spiritual. To be passive, that

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is hyper spiritual, and that is actually at times an

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excess and a sin. So you have to know the

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appropriate response for the appropriate situations. Now do I always

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have the appropriate response. No, Sometimes I do get mad,

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and I should not get as mad as I do.

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Sometimes I can be arrogant. But these are character flaws,

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and these are sins that I admit to. But I

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don't admit to number one, having bad motives. I don't

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admit to always being wrong. I don't admit to aggression

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and insults always being wrong. The Bible, in many cases

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has insults. The Church Fathers consistently call people fools, idiotic, demonic, possessed,

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and typically speaking the call of toose heretics the mouths

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of Hell right, the gates of Hell are interpreted by

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many of the Church fathers to be the mouths and

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teachings of the heretics. So I'm not going to apologize

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for all instances of insults. I'm not going to apologize

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for reaching out and offering people to come on and debate,

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and I'm not going to apologize for being aggressive. I

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will apologize for at times being baited into debating idiots.

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That's something that I probably should not do. And in fact,

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now what we're going to do we've been discussing in

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the discord, is that we're actually gonna have some standard

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if the nobodies want to debate us, they can come

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into the discord. We have open discord debates all the time,

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almost every week, for people to come in and debate

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whatever topics with me that they want, and that people

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can debate other people as well. We have multiple apologists

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actually in my discord. We're approaching seven eight hundred, almost

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a thousand people in the discord now almost what one

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hundred two hundred inquirers and CD ofcumans. So that's a

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great outreach that we now have, and we want to

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encourage people that when I do open up the discord,

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to come into the discord and debate if that's what

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you'd like to do. So if these people who are

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actually interested in these topics. We had a clown yesterday

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saying that Seraphim Rose created a cult and that Serafim

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Rose is a secret, secret society perennialist traditionalist, and then

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I'm part of the secret serafrom Rose cult, and then

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I'm actually a traditional Catholic secretly, which is just completely ridiculous,

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literally a guy saying this last. So we invited him

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to come to debate. For other public debates, We're going

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to start having specific criteria you have to have a degree.

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You have to have and if you don't have a degree,

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you have to have a significant amount of research and

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following what I deem to be sufficient, or you need

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to be published. So these are the criteria from now on,

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and if you don't meet those criteria, you're not worthy

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of being platformed. I'm not going to platform anymore goofballs

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or clowns. If you're a goofball or a clown and

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you want to debate, you still have the open forum

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to come into the discord and to debate. So again

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that's if you follow me on Twitter. We open up

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the discord once a week for the clowns to come debate,

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and we let it happen. We let it flow, let

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it flow, let yourself go slow and low. That's busy boys.

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So but thank you guys for the support. Or we

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already got a couple of super chats. So that's how

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I wanted to I wanted to clear the air first,

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let you people know what's up, what's going on, how

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things have gone down again. Tonight I will post my

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essay on This is not an essay just against set

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of a contism. This is an essay about the the

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canon Law and the Densinger citations that I gave. I'm

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just putting it into a big essay form, So look

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for that tonight after the discussion. It's almost complete and

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you will see all the sources that I gave. In

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the debate, people were saying, oh, you fired these sources

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out so quick, and I can't. And to be fair, yes,

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some of these sources actually are hard to find.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: It did take me about ten minutes of searching to

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: I know that, I know I was a trad. I

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Speaker 3: For you.

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Speaker 4: I've got selections, and I've got them listed. You can

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Densinger citations, as well as Mistigi Corporus, as well as

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satist Caogntum and the dogmatic Constitution of Vatican One. All right,

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so now let's move to the issue of HG. Wells.

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Ester call it because esoter. Hollywood actually has one entire

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bunch of books. He was again a master propagandist. He

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was a propagandist for the British Empire, fabian socialist, high

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level freemason, and pretty open about his Marxism. So for

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in the mind of HG. Wells, socialism, Marxism, Fabianism, and

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even in the mind of ah she Wells. As we

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talked about libertarianism, play a role in the creation and

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erection of the coming technocratic world government. But now Jamie

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not read, so I'm not familiar with God the Invisible King.

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a treatment of H. G. Wells's religious philosophy based on

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the title of the book. So Jamie tell us when,

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first of all was this printed, and a little bit

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about the book itself, and then I'll interject my questions

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as you instruct us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was copyright nineteen seventeen, So this is a

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pretty old book and it's just basically his goofy ideas

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about what he thinks God is. And it's not cohesive whatsoever.

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he's trying to describe the God of the New Age basically.

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Speaker 4: And really, yeah, does he use that phrase or yeah.

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Speaker 1: He uses it a couple of times.

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Speaker 4: OK.

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Speaker 1: So it's just kind of a conglomeration of his own

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theology that he thought of in his head because he's

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Speaker 4: So we have basically a scientism minded technocrat who is

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going to predict the New Age. Now we know that

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the actual origin of the New Age was around this

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time period, because one of the first writers to talk

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the New Age right at the turn of the century,

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right at the same time as A. C. Wells. So

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again two members of the elite British power structure here,

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and many people argue that Bolvaski perhaps was an agent

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of the British Empire. I think there was a case

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to be made for that. So here we have hdu

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Well's essentially confirming this that the New Age needs a religion, the.

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Speaker 1: New Age needs a new idea of what God is.

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So he starts out in the preface and he says

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that this book posits the religious beliefs of himself and

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that is specifically not Orthodox Christianity. And he says that

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he says orthodox, it is not Orthodox Christianity. So first

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and foremost he's against Orthodox.

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Speaker 4: Right now, in this context, he doesn't mean the Orthodox

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Church that's included in him his description, but he's just

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talking about what's conceived to be historic traditional Christianity and

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the nice in Creed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and that's interesting you brought that up, because

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the very first part he is denouncing the Nicean Creed. Right,

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oh wow, yeah, So he says it posits his profound

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belief in a personal and intimate God, and he's sympathetic

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with all sincere religious beliefs, but his all the defined

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objections to dogmas he does not agree with. And an

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issue he has in the beginning of the book particularly

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is opposing the dogma of the Trinity. So he says

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the Counsel of Nicea was one of the most disastrous

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and one of the least venerable of all religious gatherings,

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and it merits only a disrespectful attention at the present time.

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it a spear virtual, monstrous gathering established by an undignified people.

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I think in New World Order. He actually has a

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Wells conceives of theistic arguments to be actually impossible, and

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he's actually looking at the classical arguments. So ironically he

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has a relatively correct critique of some of the classical arguments,

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like the first mover and all this kind of stuff.

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They don't actually prove what they set out to prove.

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thing that they're trying to prove. And so it's very

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interesting that he is now sort of this book would probably,

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classical arguments. And so he begins it by saying that

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the Trinity is really the problem here in the deity

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of Christ. So right away we have again the rejection

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of what's fundamental to Christianity, the Trinity and the deity

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of Christ. So H. G. Wells starts his pre subpositions

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from again Masonry. He's a high level Freemason, very open

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about it and being anti trinitarian and anti and basically

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rejecting the deed of Christ.

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Speaker 1: And he's saying that dogmas obscure and pervert and prevent

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the true religious life of mankind. And he's so he's

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not denying that there's a God, but he's declaring that

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it's a different thing than the trying God, in a

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more pure thing that only you, yourself can become in contact.

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Speaker 4: This is the doctrine of masonry. In fact, in Albert

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Pike's Morals and Dogma, there's a specific section where he

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says the exact same thing that AHG Well's is saying,

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and he says that the mason knows that the foundation

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of his masonry is that there is no dogmas. However,

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and Dogmas that you have to accept as he tells

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you there's no dogmas and that's the keystone of masonry.

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actually totally incoherent and contradictory because A. She Wells is

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setting out for us the Masonic dogmas that he wants

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us to accept, as he tells us with double think,

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there are no dogmas.

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Speaker 1: So he's talking about two different kinds of God. In

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the beginning, God as Nature or the Creator, and the

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other God is Christ or the Redeemer. And who's Spinoza

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God of Spinoza.

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Speaker 4: Spinoza's God is a pantheistic god. And Spinoza was a

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kind of rebellious Enlightenment era philosopher who was booted out

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of his synagogue, and he kind of was influenced by

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cobbalism and just ended up in pantheism. So the God

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of Spinoza is pantheism. The God of Masonry is organized naturalism,

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which is the same thing as pantheism.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And so he's talking about the God is ruling

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with justice rather than affection. So there's the mean god

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that people always go back to. And then he talks

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about the second idea is the God of the human heart.

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get these two different ideas of God into one focus.

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There could be no finer metaphor for such a correlation

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than fatherhood and sonship. He gets really weird because he says, presently,

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some materialistic bias swings them, in a moment of intellectual

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carelessness back to the idea of sexual filiation. What does

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that mean?

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Speaker 4: Read it again? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: He says, some materialistic bias swings them, in a moment

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of intellectual carelessness back to the idea of sexual filiation.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what he means. I mean sounds like

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he's saying that maybe raw materialism isn't going to solve

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our dilemma. And at times even the materialists accidentally through

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their belief in the pleasure principle or something like that.

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so being a Mason, of course, he's going to tell

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us about the generative principle.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So he says, the writer's position in the book

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is complete agnosticism in the matter of God the Creator,

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which is a Masonic principle, right right, and secondly, entire

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faith in the matter of God the Redeemer. He cannot

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bring these two ideas under the same term God. He

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uses the word God therefore for the God in our

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hearts only, and he uses the term the veiled Being

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for the ultimate mysteries of the universe. So like a

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god we can't know and how to.

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Speaker 4: Say, yeah, the unknowable God of deism.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he says, the relation of the veiled Being to

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that living reality in our lives, who is in his

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terminology the true God in his his yeah? Uh?

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Speaker 4: The Gnostics next.

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Speaker 1: The Royal Christian Ariyan.

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Speaker 4: Let's see, I mean these are gnostics here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Cathars Politians, who's that?

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Speaker 4: Just a group of early heretics, all Bagenzians and the

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Manicheans Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That the true nature of God, the Father was evil,

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the Christ God was his antagonist. And this was also

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the idea of the poet Shelley.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so here we have just the rehashing, like Albert

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Pike does, of how the ancient Gnostics, the ancient Manicheans

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actually had a pure doctrine and that was the real Christianity.

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The Arians were the real Christianity.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And the doctrine of Nicea is the doctrine of corruption.

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So this is again is always what we hear from

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the same heretics over and and over. But as we

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pointed out many times in many debates, you can actually

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go read the church fathers who were the normative representative

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Christian theologians from the post Apostolic period all the way

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up to the Council of Nicia. You can read Ignacious,

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you can read Saint Aronaeus, you can read Saint Cyprian,

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you can read Saint Clement, you can read all these

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fathers from this time period through many of them who

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were successors to the Apostles. They were bishops in the

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early Church, many of them, and they all teach the

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deed of Christ. Right. So this is just complete nonsense

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and it's very easy to verify this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he says, there's no reason to suppose the Veiled

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being either benevolent or malignant towards me.

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Speaker 4: So the veiled God of Masonry, which is just this

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generic force, is neither love nor hate.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: So then in the first chapter he's talking about modern religion,

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modern religion what he wants.

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Speaker 4: By the way, By the way, the hidden God is

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a thing of Crowley too, has no founder.

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Speaker 1: Who does the modern religion the cosmo cosmology.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so the new religion that's coming has no prophet,

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although Albert Pike and and uh hdu Wells are more

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than happy to be that prophet teacher, even though as

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they tell you, there's no profit. Teacher. Some mean he's

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doing the very thing he says doesn't exist.

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Speaker 1: And then he goes against the Trinity again, and he

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says it was only after three centuries amidst the uproar

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and emotions of the Council of Nicea, when the more

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enthusiastic Trinitarians stuffed their fingers in their ears in affected

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horror at the arguments of old Areas, that the cardinal

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mystery of the Trinity was established. At the essential fact

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of Christianity. So he's saying that that's something they made

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up in Nicea.

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Speaker 4: Which term trinity?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the trinity, he says, yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean this is the argument all Aarons use, right, that

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that that the fact that a term is being used

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somehow means that the concept is no longer there. I mean,

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the New Testament uses the term hypostasis, that uses the

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term Ussia, uses the term energies many times over. And

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all the church fathers are doing is working with what's

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the existing framework and hammering out through these words and

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terms precision as to what the New Testament deposit of

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the faith and teaching of the apostles of the world

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tradition of the Church is. So, for example, the Bible

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doesn't use the word Bible, so therefore there's no Bible.

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That's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: So he says, the most fundamental difference between this New

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Faith and any recognized form of Christianity is that knowingly

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or unknowingly, it worships a finite God.

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Speaker 4: So here we have dialectics where HG. Wells is saying

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that if you have a creed, if you have a

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term like trinity, Homousius, that the son participates in the

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same essence as the Father. They share the same essence,

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equality of dignity, power, sovereignty, et cetera. Then there is definitude,

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but we don't believe that the terms that we use

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of God are a definitional exactitude of the essence of God.

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Hence the essence synergy distinction. The divine names are approximations,

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and they are references to the energies and actions of God,

487
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not to the essence of God. So that's why we

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would actually agree with you that if you try to

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define God, you end up inheriting.

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Speaker 1: So he doesn't believe that God is the God of

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salvation or spirit like we believe. He says he's not

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a person, a strongly marked and noble personality, loving, inspiring,

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and lovable who exists or strives to exist in every

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human soul.

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Speaker 4: God is impersonal. This is the root of all the

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world religions, is that God cannot be The personal covenant

497
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of God by which you have a relationship with God

498
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must be reduced to the impersonal forces of nature, or

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analogous to the impersonal forces of nature, or to numbers

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or something like this. Right, this is the Hellenic idea

501
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that God is a force. God is an abstract concept.

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And that's because if God is personal, then you have

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a duty. But you don't have a duty to the

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number seven. But if God's the personal God, you do

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have a duty to him. And that's why all the

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world religions based on absolute of avind simplicity, must try

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to erase the personhood of God.

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Speaker 1: So, he says, the modern religious man will almost certainly

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profess a kind of universalism. He will assert that whatever

510
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men have called upon any God, and that God answers prayer,

511
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that is God. So God is the one who grants wishes.

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Speaker 4: Right, he's saying this is a feature of all religions

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or what he's critiquing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's critiquing. He's saying, like people pray and then

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whoever answers that prayer, those people worship him.

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Speaker 4: Okay. So if so, all religions are just calling whatever

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they think answer their prayer God, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, he says, when a human heart cries out

519
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,679
to what name, it matters not for a larger spirit

520
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and a stronger help than the visible things of life

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can give. Straightway, the nameless helper is with it.

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Speaker 4: And the God worship the generic God Man, the God

523
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of Man, the same god. Generic theism. Well, this is

524
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the end result of natural theology, by the way, I mean,

525
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he's just being more consistent with the natural theology of

526
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generic theism, which argues that the Hindnu God, the Christian God,

527
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the Muslim God, the Job's witness God, the Roman Catholic God,

528
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they're all the same. They're all arguing for the same

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generic first cause. Oh, and then down the road, by

530
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the way, let's tackle on the Trinity and the incarnation. No, no, no, sorry,

531
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that's the wrong order theologia.

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Speaker 1: And then he starts talking about how Christianity evolves, and

533
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:52,519
he says, the new believers are very definitely set upon

534
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a thorough analysis of the nature and growth of the

535
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Christian creeds and ideas. There has grown up a practice

536
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of assuming that when God has spoke of the Hebrew

537
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Christian God of Nicea is meant, but that God trails

538
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with him a thousand misconceptions and bad associations, his alleged

539
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infinite nature, his jealousy, his strange preferences, his vindictive Old

540
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Testament past. These things do not even make a character

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of the true God. They compose an altogether different and

542
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antagonistic figure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this is what we always hear from

544
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this kind of an apologetic challenge, is that these people

545
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will fall back on the Gnostic Marciana. One of the

546
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first earliest great heretics was Marcion. The Marcian attempted to

547
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set the attitude and actions of the Old Testament deity

548
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against the New Testament deity. Right, so Jesus says, the

549
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hippie love God, man, you know what I mean, You

550
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love your enemies man. And then the Old Testament deity

551
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is the one who was striking Sodomigmora. Well, actually, that's

552
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,880
complete nonsense. I have a whole talk on the continuity

553
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of the Old and New Testament, so people can go

554
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:54,880
listen to that. It's had a whole lot of views.

555
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:57,760
That's a popular talk where we did for about three

556
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hours just looking at continuity between the Old New Testament,

557
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and again, all the early church fathers actually hammer home

558
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the continuity of the Old and New Testament. In fact,

559
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aaron As when he writes against the Gnostics and against heresies,

560
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he has a multiple chapters pointing out continuity and proving

561
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that Jesus is God, my father is the father of

562
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the Old Testament. Jesus is who's at Mount Sinai. Jesus

563
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is the logos who is present in all the Old

564
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Testament theophanies. So we have to always be careful to

565
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not fall into the really basic bitch reply that look

566
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to God, the Old Testament is mean, dude, look, well,

567
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would you think Jesus, that's the pop image of Jesus.

568
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That's not actually what is in the New Testament, nor

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what's in the Old Testament, nor in the history of

570
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the Church.

571
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Speaker 1: So then he says that Christian theology isn't coherent because

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there is a trinity. There can't be one God in

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three gods. It doesn't make sense to him, right, And

574
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he's saying that the Christian couldn't admit that they worship

575
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more gods than one. They were forced into the theory

576
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of the trinity by the necessity of those contrary assertions,

577
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and they had to make it a mystery protected by

578
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choices to save it from a reductio ad serdium.

579
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Speaker 4: Right. So this is a common critique that we hear

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from Unitarians and from Muslims, from Judaism, which is that

581
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there is a problem with the Christian claim of being monotheistic. Actually,

582
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the problem of the one in the many is a

583
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philosophical problem for any position. Any position that posits a

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single God still has the problem of dealing with multiplicity

585
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and differentiations in God in the one and how that

586
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God relates to creation. And we'll actually see that in

587
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my upcoming debate that I'll be having with the Muslim

588
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:53,920
apologist jas in the next couple of weeks, so I'll

589
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save that for that debate. But actually, just the issue

590
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of absolute devine, simplicity and multiplicity in God is a

591
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fee You're a problem, a question for any religion, even

592
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ones that aren't monotheistic. And so ironically here because ah

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Wells of course had no familiarity with Orthodox Christianity, he

594
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doesn't know that it's really only Orthodox Christianity, which has

595
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:21,079
a coherent doctrine of the Trinity and a coherent anthropology

596
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and a explanation as to how God relates to the

597
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world via the essence energy distinction. No other religion teaches.

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Speaker 1: This, So he doesn't really believe in the councils. He

599
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thinks that they're worthless, arguing sure, so.

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Speaker 4: All this HBO is a modernist, and all the modernists

601
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held the same idea that religion is just an evolving,

602
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progressing thing that changes over time, and it's essentially a

603
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social institution that man kind of tweaks over time. All

604
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of the modernists, obviously, because they don't believe in anything miraculous,

605
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since they don't believe in the version of birth, they

606
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don't believe the incarnation. Obviously, they're not going to believe

607
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that the Church, which is also just as miraculous an

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institution and is the body of Christ. They would deny that.

609
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If they don't believe the incarnation, then obviously the Church

610
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is not an entity guided by the Holy Spirit. Pentecost

611
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is meaningless for them.

612
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Speaker 1: Yeah. He calls the councils a history of furious wrangling,

613
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of hasty compromises, and still more hasty attempts to clinch

614
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matters by anathema.

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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, all the atheists always resort to saying God

616
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is mean. And then when we ask the atheists on

617
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what basis they make the judgment that God is mean

618
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is purely subjective. Well, if everything is purely subjective, then

619
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you have no basis to say God is mean.

620
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Speaker 1: Who is Pricilian.

621
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Speaker 4: One of the early.

622
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Speaker 1: He says Priscilian was the first human sacrifice formally offered

623
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up under these improved conditions to the greater glory of

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the reinforced Trinity.

625
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Speaker 4: One of the early heretics condemned by tranternity put to death.

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Off the top of my head, I don't recall, because

627
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I think he's during the period before there would have

628
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been punishments for heresy that would come at the time

629
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of Theodosius or Justinian. But there could have been local

630
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synods or local governors who did something like that. I

631
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:13,400
don't recall what the case of Prasilian is.

632
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Speaker 1: It seems like anybody who opposed the Council's, like you know,

633
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Arius or the Marcianites. He's on their side and he's

634
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not on the That's what Albert.

635
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Speaker 4: Pike says too. Yet that's the Masonic view.

636
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: So his third point is the infinite Being is not God.

637
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He says, it has always been been an effective propagandist

638
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:35,719
thing to say, our God made the whole universe.

639
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 4: Okay, so hold on. So Prasilian is a Manichean from

640
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Egypt and his teaching is condemned, presumably in the so

641
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,760
Saint Ambrose rejected him. So this will be third century,

642
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,079
I guess he was judged by the emperor to be

643
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a heretic. So again just a just an exemplary early gnostic.

644
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Speaker 1: Okay. So he's saying that a lot of religions go

645
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by the creed that they're the God that they worship

646
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is the creator of the universe. Right, but this is

647
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not this is not what he agrees with. And he

648
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also says that the only great religious system is the Buddhists,

649
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who seemed to have resisted the temptation to secure the

650
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divinity and honor the title of creator. So Buddha is

651
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the only religion that.

652
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Speaker 4: Right, And Buddhism, Buddhism posits an impersonal god. It's almost atheistic.

653
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And he says modern religion is like Buddhism in

654
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that respect.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Right, it's devoid of all supernaturalism. And by the way,

656
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this is another thing I want to point out, because

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all modern h this again he's writing in the period

658
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of what's known as modernism. So if you read like

659
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Pious the tents and cyclical, if you're a Roman Catholic

660
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:20,360
Pachindi Dumini gi Gragius, that's against modernism at the turn

661
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of the century. And this is when ah she Wells

662
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is writing, and so what was popular at this time

663
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was the idea of, oh, the progress of man and

664
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we're all evolving to you know, create these great utopias.

665
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Hints Ah C. Wells as the father of scientific utopia's right,

666
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,239
science fiction based utopia. So I say all that just

667
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:43,159
to point out that you can't, on the one hand,

668
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:50,159
talk about God being mean and positive humanism and then

669
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ignore the fact that the humanist worldview and the humanist

670
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,559
system then also enforces its views dogmatically. This is the

671
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:01,559
point I'm trying to make here, is that they'll always

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cite all the Inquisition, Oh, the Spanish Inquisition, Oh the

673
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emperors of the Orthodox emperors who exiled heretics, and then

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they act like their position is based on tolerance. And

675
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then they'll turn around and try to instantiate these scientific

676
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utopias that also end up enacting mass death. So they're

677
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even worse than the Inquisition that they always fall back on.

678
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Speaker 1: So here he's trying to make a differentiation between God

679
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and what he calls the ultimate Being, and he says,

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at the back of all known things, there is an

681
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impenetrable curtain. The ultimate of existence is a veiled being.

682
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Which seems to know nothing of life or death or

683
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good or ill. It's just a machine. It's just like clockworks.

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Speaker 4: Now, this is the Enlightenment worldview, the God and the

685
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universe or just aigiant machine.

686
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it says its outer texture is either an atom

687
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and crystal is ether, and him in crystal, the veiled,

688
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being enigmatic and incomprehensible, broods over the mirror upon which

689
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the busy shapes of life are moving.

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Speaker 4: God is nature. This is kind of like Platonism, except

691
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instead of instead of Platonism, where you have this ideal realm,

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it's just nature itself is God. This is this is

693
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really what we get. The new atheists say this, right, Dawkins.

694
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Dawkins says that he doesn't really have any problem with

695
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something like pantheism, and so HG. Wells is just reaffirming

696
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naturalism and pantheism.

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Speaker 1: And so this life force is not God. It is

698
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altogether outside good and evil and love and hate. It

699
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is outside God, who is love and goodness?

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Speaker 4: What is outside the veiled?

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Speaker 1: The ultimate veiled?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so just narcissism. There's there's the beyond anable God,

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and then there's the.

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Speaker 1: God that Yeah, and coming out of this veiled being,

705
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proceeding out of it in a manner altogether inconceivable is

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another lesser being, an impulse thrusting through matter and clothing itself,

707
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continually changeing material forms, the maker of our world life

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and the will to be. And I mayn't I just

709
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like put a question, or is the.

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Speaker 4: Demi urged evil? Or is the demiurge good?

711
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Speaker 3: Well?

712
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Speaker 1: He, I mean, anything that's good is God, and God

713
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is good in his But he how can he say

714
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what's good and bad and what's God in right? At?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

716
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Speaker 1: So I might A note here is he talked about

717
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maybe pan because he said it's a breeding, fighting thing.

718
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It pants through the jungle track as a tiger and

719
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lifts itself towards heaven in the tree. It is the

720
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rabbit bolting for its life and the dove calling to

721
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her mate. It crawls, it flies, it dives, it less,

722
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it devours, It pursues and eats itself. So basically it's

723
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just like this.

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Speaker 4: Mother nature.

725
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, it's aware of itself, not as a whole,

726
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but dispersedly an individual self consciousness, starting out dispersedly from

727
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every one of the sentient creatures. It has called into being.

728
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Speaker 5: Would that be like Pan, Yeah kind of, I mean

729
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pan theism, yeah, Pan yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the second being, he's talking about the life force,

731
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the will to live. They have figured it too as

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Mother Nature. Oh yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: Keep in mind, by the way, HG. Wells would follow

734
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with the rest of the scientism crew of the Enlightenment

735
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and in claiming to not do metaphysics. Really look at

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this gibberish bunch of nonsense gnosticism, which is nothing but mythology, speculation, metaphysics.

737
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Well here, total nonsense.

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Speaker 1: He just said, they have figured it to his mother Nature.

739
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We may speculate whether it is not what the wiser

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among the Gnostics meant. Yeah, he says, but since the

741
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Christians destroyed all the Gnostic books, that must remain a

742
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mere curious guess.

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Speaker 4: So here we go, Here we go. We don't do superstition. Here,

744
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we're rationalists. We do science. By the way, let me

745
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tell you about Gnostic archons and levels of reality and

746
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pan and all this bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Yep. So he says, this demiurge is either good or evil.

748
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It is conceived of as both good and evil.

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Speaker 4: So nature is the demiurge. Nature is Mother Nature. It's

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pan and it's good and evil everything we always talk

751
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about dialectical nonsense.

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Speaker 1: And then his fifth point in this chapter is God

753
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is within. And my note is God is whatever you

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think is good.

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Speaker 4: He is point, so it's purely relative.

756
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Salvation is in you, man, he says. We all

757
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find our understandings limited by the bill being if we

758
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seek salvation and search within for God, presently we find him. A.

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Speaker 4: She Wells was not just as secretary. He was actually

760
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recruited from the working class to be a propagandist for

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of the left leaning working class. So he was actually

762
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recruited into the Fabian Socialist Club, which was a tool

763
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of the British elite. So he was not just as secretary.

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He's probably the father of all modern science fiction. In

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terms of pop science fiction. You know, some of the

766
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biggest movies of all time are based on HG. Well's work.

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So just people, you're in the chat saying, ah, she

768
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Walls was just a secretary, give me a break.

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Speaker 1: And so he's saying the idea that God is Salvation

770
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is in you. He says, to this ultrue religion, casting

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asides its wholes of misconception, must ultimately come.

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Speaker 4: So all religion must realize that religion is just exterior

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forms and symbols for the worship of the natural principles and.

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Speaker 1: Pantheism and then the coming of God. He said, modern

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religion bases its knowledge of God and its account of

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God entirely upon experience.

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Speaker 4: So here we have everything. Yeah, exist. Yeah, this is

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like William James varieties of religious experience. You know, that

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is exactly what he says.

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Speaker 1: And he goes on to say, for a time there

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is a curious resistance to the suggestion that God is

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truly a person. He has spoken of preferably by such

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phrases as the purpose in things as the racial consciousness,

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as colective mind.

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Speaker 4: Right, so various phrases from various religions and philosophies are

786
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all talking about just one big, generic mind.

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Speaker 1: And he says this is a relief because.

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Speaker 4: This is the God of Hellenism, the God of the

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generic logos. Right. What did Terence McKenna say in part two?

790
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As we saw, Terrence McKenna said that there's a Luciferian

791
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logos that permeates the universe that you can unite to

792
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through a DMT. Is that what EMJ. Talks about no.

793
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So that proves that you can't just talk about generic logos.

794
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It means nothing. So what if I say the logos

795
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is lucifer right, and that's retarded. The only sense in

796
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which we can be coherently talking about logos is the

797
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second person of the godhood. So I mean he's using

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the term law. He's saying that there's a logos force

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that permeates everything. It's this giant mind man. Any d

800
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MT idiot could come to the same conclusions as him.

801
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So we have to be clear about who our God is.

802
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There's us this thing as a generic, impersonal mind.

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Speaker 1: And it's a relief to people to realize.

804
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Speaker 4: That how can you have a mind that's impersonal?

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Speaker 1: It makes no sense to think about God without thinking

806
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of him as the Father of the Son or the

807
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Holy Ghost. So for him, these are confinements of the

808
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idea of God instead of something bigger, right, right, So.

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Speaker 4: Any of the terms or names that we use of

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God are impossible. You actually hear a lot of people

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will still make this argument. They'll say, oh, if you

812
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believe in apathetic theology, then if you can't say God

813
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is God the Father, because that's limiting God man, so

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you have an idol. Even modernist Orthodox so called theologians,

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Modernist Roman Catholic theologians, Protestant of the Elogians, they all

816
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actually make this same argument. That's just the old argument

817
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from one hundred years ago from modernists like H. G. Wells,

818
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And it's a dumb argument because it misses the essen

819
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synergy distinction.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He says that people have been hypnotized and obsessed

821
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by the idea that the Christian God is the only

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thinkable God, and then if we get rid of that,

823
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with that release, their minds become, as it were, nascent

824
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and ready for the coming of God. So if you

825
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get rid of everything that you've ever thought about God

826
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in the past, you're ready to accept the new and

827
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coming God, which I put is probably Antichrist.

828
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Speaker 4: Right in a way it could be, Yeah, I mean,

829
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it would be a preparation for that, because it's kind

830
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of an inverse of what we say about apathetic theology.

831
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I mean, Saint Gregory Palamas all the way back to

832
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Moses himself. I mean, if you read doctor David Bradshaw's

833
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book Aristotle East and West, he'll start with proving the

834
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essence synergiesstinction by Moses. If we look at Moses, Moses

835
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went up on the mountain, we're told that he saw

836
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God and at the same time that no man can

837
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see God and live. And so what do we see

838
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,440
when Moses sees God? It says that he saw God's

839
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goodness his back parts. Right. Saint Gregory Nazi Anders has

840
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:01,440
a whole theological oration Moses where he talks about how

841
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,320
Moses saw the energies of God, not the essence of God.

842
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So what we get here is an inversion of the essence, synergy, distinction,

843
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and apathetic theology in HG. Wells by saying, oh, yeah,

844
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let's do apathetic theology, but let's remove all the divine

845
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:19,320
names to where there's no divine name, and then you

846
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,199
must merge with the generic God that is nature and

847
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,480
the spirit and force of nature, that's the spirit of Antichrist. Yeah.

848
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Speaker 1: So he says there's but one God, there is but

849
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,880
one true religious experience, but under a multitude of names.

850
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And the note I put here, I don't know why,

851
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,360
but it's funny. God is our cosmic buddy. That's what

852
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:38,119
he's talking about.

853
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Speaker 4: To me. Yeah, this is a bunch of emotional appeals

854
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:45,320
and propaganda to get people to buy into modernism, into

855
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:48,840
the utopian ideas of what he'll present in his science fiction.

856
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Speaker 1: So second chapter is all about heresies, or the things

857
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that God is not. According to A. Wells, heresies are

858
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misconcepted of God. He says, religion is like a lake

859
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:08,000
that has been fed by countless springs. And if you

860
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are perfectly adjusted to your surroundings and have a life

861
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without mentality, no judgment, no inhibition, no disturbance, such a

862
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,119
life is bliss or in ravana.

863
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Speaker 4: So like Buddhism or yeah, or like.

864
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Speaker 1: If you don't feel convicted about things, So is he

865
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,360
going to shame if.

866
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Speaker 4: You don't want to RepA so don't have any any shame?

867
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,320
Is he going to uh tell us what things he

868
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,199
thinks are heresies?

869
00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:37,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is his chapter.

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Speaker 4: I thought he was going to tell us that there's

871
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no dogmas, and now he's laying Now he's laying out

872
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:42,639
what the heresies are.

873
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes I read books like this and I think, am

874
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:50,440
I dumb? Or is this person not making No?

875
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Speaker 4: They're making that many contradictions right, Okay.

876
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Speaker 1: So he says it is only the synthesis and mutual

877
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correction of many diverse ideas that the idea of God

878
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,159
grows clear. My note on this page is God is

879
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made of our projections. Fear and feebleness goes straight to

880
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,639
the heresies that God is magic or that God is providence.

881
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Anger and hate call for God's judgments. Let's see.

882
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Speaker 4: By the way, I want to remind you guys, be

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Thank you guys. Merry Christmas to everybody. This is not

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a sci fi HD Wells Christmas where you believe in

893
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the unknowable Luciferian God, but a real Christmas stream where

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we believe in the incarnate God, the second person of

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the Godhead, who took on human nature.

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Speaker 1: He says, those who find themselves possessed by the new

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Spirit and religion realize very speedily that necessity of clearing

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the mind of all these exaggerations, transferses, and overflows of feeling.

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Speaker 4: So he's basically kind of pulling from far Eastern philosophies

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and telling empty yourself of all conceptions men, and just

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become one with nothing man.

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Speaker 1: Right, So more heresies, heresies of thought and speculation belong

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the elaborate doctrine of the trity, trinity, dogmas about God's

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absolute qualities, such odd deductions as the accepted Christian teaching

905
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about the virginity of Mary and Joseph and the like.

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All these things are parts of Orthodox Christianity.

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Speaker 4: Is interesting, It just so happens to be the case

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that from whether it's hd Wells one hundred years ago

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or whether it's Terence McKennon thirty years ago, what do

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they say, The number one enemy is Orthodox Christianity that

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has to be destroyed. That's keeping us back from Luciferian initiation.

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That's literally what both of hd Well's all the way

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up to Terrence mckinn say.

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Speaker 1: And that's what the Catholic Church is going towards too,

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Like merging all.

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Speaker 4: Of the religious Yes, so so Francis will be merging

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all the religions into what he'll be the pope of

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the world religions, and Francis is this year or should

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be next year, going to put together the New Humanism Conference,

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the conference, the Global Conference on New Humanism, the Worship

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of Man, the very thing that HG. Wells is telling you.

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The religion of Francis is the religion of AHG. Wells.

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Speaker 1: So don't you talk a lot about Athenatius, right.

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Speaker 4: Sat Anthonati is one of the greatest church fathers.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, he calls him a little red haired, busy wire

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pulling Athanasius. He does not agree with him.

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Speaker 4: I think I don't think they had red hair, but

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maybe some more hairs. Wasn't he from kind of the

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Africa region? I think he would be a little more

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dark skin.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, he says, of all the bloodstained, tangled heresies

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which make up the doctoral Christianity, not one seems to

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have been known to the nominal founder of Christianity. Jesus

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Christ never certainly claimed to be the Messiah. That's not true, right, No,

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he never spoke clearly of the Trinity, was vague upon

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the scheme of salvation and the significance of it.

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Speaker 4: John seventeen is an entire chapter about every person of

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the Trinity and how they relate to one another in

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the high priestly prayer. He ends the Gospel of Matthew

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by saying, go for the baptizing the name of the Father,

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Son and Holy Spirit. I mean multiple times in the Gospel,

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John saying that he is the I am total idiotcy Yeah,

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so he says.

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Speaker 1: We are asked to suppose that he left his apostles

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without instructions that were necessary to their eternal happiness.

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Speaker 4: Yes, black, so as Saint Anthonatius was apparently dark, skiand

947
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and short, not a mean, redheaded guy. So what an idiot?

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Speaker 1: He says, How could he leave them the Lord's prayer

949
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but not but lead them to guess at an all

950
00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:22,679
important creed? He said, Well, even the he says, even

951
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the apostles creed is not traceable earlier than the fourth century.

952
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So he's saying, like, we.

953
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Speaker 4: Don't use the apostle. That's more of the Romancallolic churches

954
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,039
typically who uses the apostles creed. It's a shorter version

955
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of the Nicene creed. So there's there's some dispute over

956
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,079
the origin of the apostles creed. But regardless. It doesn't matter,

957
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because again, whether you look at the early liturgies of

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00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:47,920
the first second third century, or whether you look at

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00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,880
the church Fathers of the first second third century, you

960
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,000
can easily see that they teach the same thing that

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00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:56,599
the Church of Nicea and post Nicia teach. This shouldn't

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even be debated. You could verify this in ten minutes.

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Go read the fathers that I listed.

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Speaker 1: So he says, we are all so weary of this

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theology of the Christians and skeptical about their triune God.

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My note here is he's trying to say the Trinity

967
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is like pagan worship.

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Speaker 4: Here we go, we never heard this one, right, rocking

969
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:25,360
mister e the Trinity is pagan. It's pagan rocking mystery, Yeah,

970
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,280
And we did an entire stream refuting this nonsense.

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Speaker 1: He says that no one who really seeks God thinks

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01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,519
of the Trinity, either the trinity of the Trinitarian or

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01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:37,199
the Trinity of the Sibylian or the Trinity of the Arian,

974
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,239
any more than one thinks of those theories made stone,

975
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,719
those gods with three heads and seven hands who sit

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01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,199
on lotus leaves and flourish lingams and whatnot. In the

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01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:47,039
temples of India.

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Speaker 4: Right, So all heresies are the same and the trinity

979
01:00:55,719 --> 01:00:58,760
is just one of many weird, weird philosophies. Actually it's not.

980
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:02,119
Once again, the since entergy distinction is a unique feature

981
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:04,840
of worth arch Christianity. The distinction between nature and person

982
01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:08,280
is a unique feature of Orthodox Christianity. The trinity is

983
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,159
a unique feature of worth Arx Christianity. Plato's trinity is

984
01:01:11,239 --> 01:01:15,039
not the Orthodox Trinity. They're not the same. Uh, the

985
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:19,519
ancient Egyptian you know, isis whatever. That's not the trinity.

986
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,199
So zeitgeist, it's all. That's all bs. This is Zeitgeist

987
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:24,679
level stuff from AHG. Wills.

988
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: Well, here's his third point about heresies. He's which I

989
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,719
kind of agree with. I guess he says God is

990
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:37,119
not magic. He's talking about people trying to use God

991
01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:39,599
for their own purposes. And like he was saying before,

992
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:44,119
like anyone who answers your prayer, that is God, and

993
01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:46,760
that's not true. So that's you know, that's true.

994
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 4: So he's I'm not superstiti.

995
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's talking about people who don't really want to

996
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,920
worship God but heard that he is potent stuff, So

997
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,599
it works. He's saying like God is not a genie

998
01:01:57,679 --> 01:01:59,719
or a vending machine, which is true.

999
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,599
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean Jesus says, if you ask

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01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:08,519
anything in my name according to the Father's will, he

1001
01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:11,000
will hear it. He doesn't say, if you ask for anything,

1002
01:02:11,039 --> 01:02:11,440
you'll get it.

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01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: Bro So then he says, the true God of the

1004
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:21,559
New Religion is not to serve men's ends or the

1005
01:02:21,679 --> 01:02:24,519
ends of nations or associations of men's. He is careless

1006
01:02:24,719 --> 01:02:28,159
of our ceremonies and invocations. He has his own ends

1007
01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:30,199
for which he needs us.

1008
01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 4: I thought he wasn't a he, and yet here we

1009
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:37,480
are still using the analogy of persons, analogical personal language.

1010
01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:40,840
He he same thing the Darwinists do when they say, oh,

1011
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:45,159
mother Nature, there's no personal God. But Mother Nature designs

1012
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,280
us with what we need. She's so great, right, don't

1013
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:49,960
worry about It's just a pain. I drop my pen.

1014
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:59,039
Speaker 1: So let's see. But God answers prayers like he's involved

1015
01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:00,559
in our Yeah.

1016
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:03,199
Speaker 4: That presupposes that it's a personal God, which is what

1017
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:04,119
he's already deny.

1018
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:07,119
Speaker 1: He's saying God doesn't care, He's just using us to

1019
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:08,599
do what God wants.

1020
01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 4: But he also answers press. Right, So then he.

1021
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: Says God is not providence, cause and effect. Let's see

1022
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:38,880
what he's talking about here, is stupid anyways, Oh, here's

1023
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,000
another note. I worked pan worship. Why did I write

1024
01:03:42,000 --> 01:04:04,719
that God does not guide our feet? What's quietism? Uh?

1025
01:04:05,199 --> 01:04:09,079
Speaker 4: Like the Quakers and Anabaptist heretics, some of them had

1026
01:04:09,199 --> 01:04:13,480
this stupid view that if you sat and shook and

1027
01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:16,519
we're really quiet, that that's the only way to contact God.

1028
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,280
And so they actually they eschewed the Bible and written

1029
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,679
texts and liturgy and worship, and and they sat around

1030
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:29,880
and quaked and sat around in old dusty rocking chairs,

1031
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:35,159
waiting for some spirit to possess them like the oatmeal man.

1032
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,159
That's where you get Quakers. So these dumb, these dumb

1033
01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:43,280
sects would would engage in this stuff, and they would

1034
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,119
they would miss it. They were like the charismatics of

1035
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:45,480
their day.

1036
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:50,639
Speaker 1: Like you know, he's saying quietism is a heresy. So

1037
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,639
that's true, right, absolutely, He says, I have compared him

1038
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:56,639
when you talk about God to the sensation of a dear,

1039
01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:59,320
strong friend who comes and stands quietly beside one shoulder

1040
01:04:59,320 --> 01:04:59,840
and his shoulder.

1041
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So Basically, ah C. Wells's God is

1042
01:05:05,159 --> 01:05:09,239
like anything and everything and nothing at the same time,

1043
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:13,719
anything he likes. And that's the essence of idolatry, by

1044
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,239
the way, is to erect the God that we think

1045
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,920
and we want right mistaking like charismatics will mistake their

1046
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:24,840
emotions for God. Oh so moved, Well, your movement and

1047
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:29,559
emotions is not the same thing as God. The Protestants

1048
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:32,480
will worship the Bible and the text of scripture as

1049
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:36,039
if that's God. God is right here, this, here's my God.

1050
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,199
If your God ain't this, you ain't got no gut.

1051
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,199
That's called idolatry. Jesus says, you search the scriptures because

1052
01:05:42,199 --> 01:05:44,519
you think that it's in them that you have eternal life,

1053
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:46,400
when it is they that bear witness of me. Jesus

1054
01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:49,280
himself distinguishes himself from the written texts.

1055
01:05:52,199 --> 01:05:55,719
Speaker 1: So he goes on to say, God does not punish.

1056
01:05:56,119 --> 01:06:00,199
Speaker 4: What's that got to do with oats Quaker? Oats well

1057
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:06,400
Quakers give me my Oh, so he's.

1058
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:08,159
Speaker 1: Talking about punisher. God is not God.

1059
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:15,239
Speaker 4: Dusty old, dusty old temperament Puritans quaking, the quaking around,

1060
01:06:16,119 --> 01:06:18,679
having eruptions in their rock and chairs.

1061
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:24,119
Speaker 1: The temperament of the Semitic deity, who as the Hebrew Jehovah, proliferated,

1062
01:06:24,199 --> 01:06:28,480
perhaps under the influence of the Alexandrian Serapim, into the

1063
01:06:28,599 --> 01:06:31,639
Christian Trinity, and who became also the Muslim God.

1064
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:35,039
Speaker 4: So the biblical God is just a mix of all

1065
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:37,519
the deities of the time. Yeah, we've heard this a

1066
01:06:37,559 --> 01:06:39,800
million times. There's a great book actually on this that

1067
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:44,119
refutes this idea, which, of all people, you wouldn't expect

1068
01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:48,480
me to recommend this, But actually, the good book, one

1069
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:51,480
of the good books that William Lane Craig has is

1070
01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:54,559
his book Creation ex Nilo, where he actually shows that

1071
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,760
the creation account and the God presented there in Genesis

1072
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:03,199
is quite union and totally different from the pantheon of

1073
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,079
all the surrounding pagan cultures.

1074
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,199
Speaker 1: So, yeah, he's talking about how God doesn't punish. He

1075
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,400
doesn't really care what we do because it doesn't upset him,

1076
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:13,960
he says.

1077
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 4: But I thought he entered our prayers, so how does

1078
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:16,320
he care?

1079
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:23,079
Speaker 1: See, That's why I'm dumb. I don't get it. So

1080
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,400
he says, the conception of a malignant and partisan deity

1081
01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:29,519
perpetually upset by the little things people did and contriving

1082
01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:33,320
murder and vengeance. This is the God who made the

1083
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,840
flood and who punished Sodom and Gomorrah, which is not

1084
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,199
the true God because nothing we do can upset God

1085
01:07:41,199 --> 01:07:46,119
because he's like chill man. Okay, right, right, And then

1086
01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:49,360
he says, a very large proportion of early Christians, before

1087
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:53,079
the Creeds established and regularized the doctrine of the Trinity,

1088
01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:56,280
denied absolutely that Jehovah was God. They regarded Christ as

1089
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,760
a rebel against Jehovah and a rescuer of humanity from him.

1090
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:06,119
Speaker 4: Marcianism, gnocissism, blah blah blah, all the same old basic

1091
01:08:06,159 --> 01:08:06,840
bitch arguments.

1092
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:11,239
Speaker 1: So he's saying, this idea of the revengeful, persecutor avenger

1093
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:15,239
God haunts religion, and only in recent years the growing

1094
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,920
gentleness of everyday life has begun to make man a

1095
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,399
little ashamed of a deity less tolerant and gentle than themselves.

1096
01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:27,239
So God is love man, Just love, that's it.

1097
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, But what's love?

1098
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 3: I mean?

1099
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 4: It's this is a content less love. He's saying, basically,

1100
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:37,199
appeal to emotions.

1101
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 1: All the modern man is more gentle and loving than God. Yeah,

1102
01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:48,560
because he doesn't punish people for wrongdoing.

1103
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 4: Actually, modern man again does punish people. The twentieth century

1104
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,840
is one of the most bloody and brutal, the most

1105
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,640
progressive century, right, is also the most bloody, one of

1106
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,880
the most bloody of all time. So total nonsense. Now

1107
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:10,239
HG didn't for I'm sure he actually he did, because

1108
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,800
how many times have we cover? Shape of things to come?

1109
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:17,600
Predicts the world wars? So he wrote a book predicting

1110
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:22,279
World War two, so total again contradicting himself, said there

1111
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:25,760
would be giant wars. Now, oh, modern man is the

1112
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,960
most peaceful, and yet what is modern man the twentieth

1113
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,880
century do, by his own admission, create the biggest world

1114
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:33,760
wars of all time?

1115
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: So another one of his heresies is God as the

1116
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:38,199
nursery maid.

1117
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 4: So what's love got to do? Got to do with it.

1118
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:50,199
Speaker 1: Being that parents warn their children used to instill morality

1119
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:54,520
into children. Is not God, you know what I mean?

1120
01:09:56,119 --> 01:10:02,279
So he says, like, God's not a boogeyman that you

1121
01:10:04,199 --> 01:10:09,479
scare people into submission with. And it's wrong to teach

1122
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:16,760
your children that God will punish you for things half

1123
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,239
from the wreckage, and that if you teach your kids.

1124
01:10:20,079 --> 01:10:28,159
Speaker 6: About can't make the same stay ah, oh, so he was.

1125
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:31,600
We don't need another he who wrote he.

1126
01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:36,119
Speaker 1: Was traumatized by hearing about God in his childhood. He said,

1127
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:38,479
he and his hell were the nightmare of my childhood.

1128
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,439
I thought of him as a fantastic monster, perpetually spying,

1129
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,920
perpetually listening, perpetually waiting to contempt and strike me dead.

1130
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean some of the heretical presentations of

1131
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,840
God do present that. And so we see that many

1132
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,920
of the greatest enemies of Christianity come out of stupid

1133
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:03,920
sex uh Croley. Crowley comes out of the Plymouth Brethren.

1134
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:06,880
No wonder he hated Christianity, given that he comes from

1135
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,119
one of the stupidest sectarian groups of all time.

1136
01:11:09,359 --> 01:11:11,199
Speaker 1: So don't teach your kids about God because this is

1137
01:11:11,279 --> 01:11:15,800
fear driven thought, and it makes kids afraid of sunshine, nakedness, adventure,

1138
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:22,159
and science. Okay, and Christian priestcraft. Christian priestcraft turns a

1139
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:23,520
dreadful face to children.

1140
01:11:24,319 --> 01:11:26,520
Speaker 4: Anyway, some like stuff.

1141
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm alling, you know, he says God. My note here,

1142
01:11:34,119 --> 01:11:36,319
God does not care if we love him according to age,

1143
01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:40,119
she wills if children are loved and trained to truth, justice,

1144
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:42,359
and mutual forbearance, they will be ready for the True

1145
01:11:42,399 --> 01:11:45,800
God as their needs bring them within his scope. They

1146
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,520
should be left to their innocence and to their trust

1147
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,399
in the innocence of the world as long as they

1148
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,560
can be. Yeah, right, the world's not innocent. You have

1149
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,920
to teach your children. This is a battle and prepare them,

1150
01:11:58,039 --> 01:11:58,560
don't you think.

1151
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 4: Teach you're child in well, you know they how does

1152
01:12:06,039 --> 01:12:06,239
that go?

1153
01:12:07,279 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: And teach you're chilled.

1154
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:13,079
Speaker 4: In this boom boom or folk music.

1155
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: God is not sexual. He doesn't care what we do,

1156
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:23,199
he says, wrath of their God at this or that

1157
01:12:23,319 --> 01:12:28,119
little dirtiness or irregularity or breach of sexual taboos. Christian

1158
01:12:28,199 --> 01:12:31,119
churches still make marriage into a mystical sacrament, which he

1159
01:12:31,159 --> 01:12:34,239
doesn't agree with. They do not treat illegitimate children as

1160
01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:37,319
unfortunate children, but children with a mystical and incurable taint

1161
01:12:37,399 --> 01:12:44,000
of sin. So yeah, God doesn't really care what you

1162
01:12:44,079 --> 01:12:45,199
do with your sexuality.

1163
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. By the way, that was way ahead of its time.

1164
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,279
I mean, ah, Wells is way way ahead of his time,

1165
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,760
already promoting kind of the free love stuff.

1166
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 1: Sexual things are not sacred. He is no more sexual

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essentially than he is essentially dietetic or hygienic. The God

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of Leviticus was all of these things.

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Speaker 5: So God doesn't care what you eat or what you hump,

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So just do what you want, do what you like,

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like Shaka g says, do what you like.

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Speaker 1: So now we're in the third chapter. The likeness of

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God according to A she Wells, According to Ah she Wells,

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these are the things that God is. God is courage. Okay,

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God is a person. Okay, I don't know. God is youth.

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Oh God wasn't a person, dude, why are you trying

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to make sense.

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Speaker 4: God's every child. It's like when you read Birch and

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russells why I'm not a Christian?

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Speaker 1: And he's like, he probably says something. I didn't really

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make any notes from that, because.

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Speaker 4: BERTI Russell is like, why I'm not a Christian. I'm

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the father of all, the greatest logician of the twentieth century.

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And then when he goes into why he's not a Christian,

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it's all appealed to emotion fallacies, logical fallacies. Let's see here,

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So somebody's asking a question here in the chat, I'm

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getting my response ready, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Number three, God is youth?

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Speaker 4: Is this the new aon is this the aon of

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the child?

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Speaker 1: Well, my note here is he's talking about Apollo.

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Speaker 4: Interesting. So Croleianism is very similar to HG. Wells. I

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wouldn't have thought. So that's interesting. A. C. Wells is

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more gnostic than I would have expected. I would have

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thought he'd be more of like an atheist. Uh, you know, Fedora, Dude.

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Speaker 1: He's talking about God and he's describing what I wrote here.

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Voodoo God, Papa legbug. God is in those systems, the

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ancient of days. He's a bearded ancient man.

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Speaker 4: God isn't.

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Speaker 1: No, he's not. He's not an old ancient of days.

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He's youth. God is youth, he says. The God of

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the New Age is a figure that represents him.

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Speaker 4: Of the crown and conquering.

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Speaker 1: If a figure may represent him, it must be the

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figure of a beautiful youth, already brave and wise, but

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hardly come to his strength. Okay, that's totally Apollo, right,

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he says. When we say God is love, love is

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a word very loosely used. It's hard to define. So

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I can't really say that God's love is not like marriage.

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But that's not true anyway. Oh, this lap chapter I

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was just like what. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: What, So, just.

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Speaker 1: That God isn't jealous or intimate or anything like how

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they teach you in Orthodoxy, how it's like a marriage.

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He's not. He's saying that's not true. What's the question?

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Speaker 4: No, we got a whole bunch of stetes. I don't

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keep going.

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Speaker 1: So now he's talking about the scientific atheist. He's not

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an atheist, which is kind of weird. You'd think that

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he was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have thought he'd be a Fedora Tippin'

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Reddit proto redditor.

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Speaker 1: So he said, the honest atheist, with his passionate impulse

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to strip the truth bear is constantly and unwittingly reproducing

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the divine likeness. What does that mean?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean, dude?

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Speaker 4: Adam kadmar uh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: What does he say?

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Speaker 1: Let us state as compactly as possible the nature of

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these changes that biological science has wrought almost imperceptibly in

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the general scheme and method of our thinking. The influence

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of biology upon thought consists essentially in diminishing the importance

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of the individual and developing the realization of the species

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as if it were a kind of super individual. A

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modifying an immortal super individual maintaining itself against the outer

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universe by the birth and death of its constituent individuals.

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Does that sound like Adam Cadman.

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Speaker 4: Do you well? It sounds like the Omega point of

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Tahard to Shardin and the idea that we're all going

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to evolve into a single organized.

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Speaker 1: Evolving man.

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Speaker 4: Right. Yeah, So here you have the global brain, the

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evolving into the gollum basically, and he's saying.

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Speaker 1: Each species has a metal life.

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Speaker 4: That like, yes, this is what Arthur Kessler says. We've

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pointed out this.

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Speaker 1: Zone holdons and we are unawakened to ourselves as a

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species so far because we're not.

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Speaker 4: That's Heglianism. And so Hegelianism is this imminent deity that's

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coming to the discovery of itself within the process of

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dialectical outworking in history. And so at the Omega point

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at the end of history, reality will come to its

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own self consciousness and we will actually apotheosize and become

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God because we'll be united to all that is, and

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all that is will realize that it is it self God.

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Literally Hegelianism literally Luciferianism through transhumanists. This is a proto

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transhumanist here with AHG. Wells.

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Speaker 1: So then he talks about God is an external reality.

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It may be argued that if atheists and agnostics, when

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they set themselves to express the goodwill that is in them,

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do shape out God, that if there can conception of

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right living falls and so completely with the conception of

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God's service as to be broadly identical, then indeed God,

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like the ether of scientific speculation, is no more than

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a theory.

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Speaker 4: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: The benevolent atheist stands alone upon his goodwill, trusting his

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own impulse goodness, relying on his own moral strength. His

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devotion is only the good will in himself a disposition,

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It is a mood that may change. So he's kind

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of right.

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Speaker 4: There about the atheist God.

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Speaker 1: This chapter is about the religion of atheists.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So he's critiquing atheists here, yeah, yeah, from his

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gnostic positions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yep, so that's it.

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Speaker 4: Oh so here, So yeah, let's say before we get

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to the super chats, and if you want to you

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get supports for the super chats where those here in a.

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Speaker 1: Second, Now, this is the fifth chapter called the Invisible Case.

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So this is what he's getting into the meat of God,

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the invisible King, which right away I was thinking, If

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he's invisible, then there's no icon of God, no Christ.

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Speaker 4: Right, unknowable God. Yeah, how does the unknown deity relate

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to this world? And how do we even know there

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is a deity? Why do we even think there's a deity?

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If he's the unknown beyond deity? And then you're also

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identifying deity with the entirety of nature itself. So it's

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total not constant, confusion and incoherence.

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Speaker 1: So now he's talking about what sounds like Apollo again,

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because he says the conception of a young and energetic

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God and invisible prince growing in strength and wisdom, calls

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men and women to his service, and gives salvation from

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self and morality only through self abandonment, involves a demand

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for complete revision and fresh orientation of the life of

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a convert. He brings mankind, not rest, but a sword.

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He concedes no to Caesar. In our philosophy, there are

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no human things that are gods and others that are Caesar's.

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Those of the New thought cannot render unto God the

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things that are gods, and to Caesar what are sesar

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the New Thought movement.

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Speaker 4: So here we have the whole beginning of positive thinking

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and Norman Bencent Peale type stuff.

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Speaker 1: But this sounds like Adam weisap too, because he was

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trying to do away with political structures and religions right.

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Speaker 4: For what to be replaced with?

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Speaker 1: What this conquering youth? Okay, says the steps of the

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altar of the God of Youth are no safe place

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for the sacrilegious figures of a king who claimed divine right.

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So he doesn't believe in monarchy.

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Speaker 4: No, as a Mason, absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: The New conception does not tolerate either kings or aristocracies

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or demimocrisies.

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Speaker 4: So if it's not democracy, what is it technocracy? I mean,

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I know he teaches that elsewhere, but does he saying

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here he is what's the new kingdom that's coming?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to that, I guess.

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, we'll leave that for part two. That's

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the first half of the book. That's the first ninety

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seven pages God the Invisible King, the very prescient, highly

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predictive and unknown work from HG. Wells about the New

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Age and the coming religion and what do we see

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it's it's total pantheism, total crollianism, way before Crowley and

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anticipated all kinds of things as we saw with all

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the other HG. Wells works that I've covered. So we'll

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get to the super chats and if you want to

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support us, you can throw down those fat super chats.

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Greg Behavioral ConL Health counselor two dollars, Thank you, Greg,

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and we will behave and we will be healthy with

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your counsel, Thank you, Greg. Ral fing steaks five dollars.

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Doctor Jordan Cooper reads Protestant theology into the Church Fathers. No, well,

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of course he does, because he specializes in is of

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Jesus of the Church Fathers. Absolutely, That's why he didn't

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want it to be. He didn't want it to be

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because he knows he would lose. If he's so sure

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of his beliefs, then why won't he defend him? Oh exactly.

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But it's much easier to say, I'm not going to

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interact with so and so because he's a spie wishy

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feel wish, Alfonso Corral five dollars. Man, I'm gonna have

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to watch this one later back to work for me. Well,

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I'm sorry, Alfonso, that you are having to go back

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to work. But well, I was gonna make a joke,

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but I'm not going to I'm gonna get reported if

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I make that joke. So I'm not gonna make that joke.

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But thank you, o foso gra welcome back when you

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can come back. Adam Ray twenty bucks, Marry Christmas Day,

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and Jamie gob blush he goes, thank you Mary Christmas

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to Adam Ray. Did you know that Santa Claus is real?

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Because Saint Nicholas is real, and Saint Nicholas punched areas

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in the nose, and so it's not always wrong to

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be aggressive with goofballs. But Merry Christmas to you, Adam Ryn,

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and thank you for that support. Thistractive stone Lake, six bucks.

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How can you refute the evergrowing number of experience experiments

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that repeatedly demonstrate that the Earth is measurably flat and stationary.

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If you go listen to my lectures on John Damascus

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and the Exposition of the Orthodox Faith, you will see

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that he says a long time ago that it really

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doesn't matter for Orthodoxy whether what your position on geology is,

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and so we just don't even really debate that issue

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here private Death two dollars. Thank you both for your work.

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Thank you, Private Death eighty two unit, Where was it?

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Eighty two unit v unit two in Z's Mary non

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Orthodox Christmas, Jay and Jamie from New Zealand. I don't

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know how to respond to that. I'm going to respond

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by saying, Mary Orthodox Christmas mk MKMKMKMK twenty bucks, Happy holidays,

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Happy holidays, Block Party Vintage, but happy holidays. Thank you,

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Block Party Vintage three dollars. Thank you for making sense

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of the nonsense. God bless God, bless you. Block Party

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Vintage much appreciated. And we do try to make sense

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of the nonsense. That's pretty much what we do full

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time skull, Doug eat nerd bear the reprehensible five dollars.

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Have you read The End of History and The Last Man?

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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to both of you.

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I have not is Last Man? Is GK. Chesterton? I

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read Orthodoxy. That's only no. I read Everlasting Man in Orthodoxy.

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That's the only Chesterton is last Man? Chesterton?

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Speaker 3: Is that a?

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Speaker 4: She Wills? Sorry, I'm not a I'm not immersed in Chesterton.

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I've read more other writers than I've read Helle Belok

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I've read Arrestees Browns, and I've read some of the

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that kind of Catholic writer. I've read a couple of

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the Chesters and books Nick Tesla two dollars. What is

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differ between heschasm and quietism? That's what I was getting

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in my bible. So if you read the Triads of

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Saint Gregory Palamas, you will see very easily that almost

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all of his citations as to what hessechasm is he

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sikia is from Saint Paul. If you read Two Corinthians twelve,

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that's one of his chief explanations about prayer. That's not ceasing,

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unceasing prayer that Paul talks about about the vision that

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Paul has of God in Saint Corinthia's twelve, that's what

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he's talking about. That's what Paul's talking about. Paul's talking

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about noetic prayer. And only Orthodoxy has the explanation of

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these texts of Paul. So has nothing to do with yoga,

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has nothing to do with Sufhism. It's in the Triads,

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all citations from Saint Paul. That's what Saint Gregory pala

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Must uses to prove what pelemism and hessechasm is just

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total nonsense from everyone else. They don't know what they're

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talking about. Cold them on Toller ten pounds MCJJ, thank

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you very much, much appreciated, Greg, Behavioral Health counselor five dollars.

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What's your take on Zakharai Sitchen the Sumerian Genesis stories

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total bs and nonsense. I think that Zakhari Sitchin stuff

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is pure gibberish gobbledegook, and that is the most honest

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thing I could say about it.

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Speaker 1: He an agent of somebody I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Probably wouldn't be surprised, but he's just there to teach

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gnostic alien gibber jabber about genesis distractive stone Lake five dollars.

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Where does callistus Where stand on the negative ecumenical trend

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among some in Orthodoxy. My understanding is that callistus Ware

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is pretty ecumenical, so he would not be negative. He

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would be very pro ecumenical as far as I understand.

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Not a huge follower of Callisu's wear, so I can't

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say that I read him regularly, but I feel that

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I'm pretty well vindicated in that assessment. If I'm wrong,

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please correct me. But I don't think I'm wrong. I

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think he's pretty well known as an ecumenist. So yeah,

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let's see anything else. It takes a while for these

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super chests to catch up sometimes, all right, So that's

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the first half. And again, notice all the haters coming

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out of the woodwork. Every day there's another dumb hater

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video and what can they do? Do they actually reply

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to the arguments ninety percent of the time, No, they

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don't ninety percent of the time. It's just insults an

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ad hominem. So thank you guys. The rest of this

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talk will be up in the next day or two

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and we'll get Jamie's assessment of the rest of God.

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The Invisible King, one of the earliest predictive texts of

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the New Age, right, So this fits perfectly into our

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globalization book series. Thank you to Jamie for all her research,

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and thank you guys for all of these super chests support. Again,

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if you want to subscribe, go to Jason Analysis dot com.

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on people's channels within the phone app. So that's pretty new.

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So after this tonight, by the way, I'll have my

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essay up about the debate, listing all the citations that

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I use in the debate for those who are too

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deft and slow to actually just look up everything that

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I listed, and we'll have again the rest of Jamie's talk.

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And you can get Jamie's books. Well. You can get

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a Hollywood My Control signed copies at my website. In

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And by the way, thank you to Melissa and Aaron

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trustream Media. Melissa made a really cool video, kind of

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an artsy, snazzy video, kind of pacting all of the

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great quotes from boiler Room of the past few months.

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If you've not seen Melissa's video, be sure to go

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over to True stream Media. Be sure to watch for

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Speaker 1: All right, and if anybody has any ideas about what

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you would like to see us as a team cover,

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then write us and let us know. And everyone have

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a blessed Nativity.

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Speaker 4: Also, by the way, yeah, be sure to let me

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put my link here for this. You guys don't want

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to miss this because every day we have such nonsense.

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We have such nonsense to show you. To quote the cenobytes,

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we have such nonsense to show you. Be sure to

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follow my nonsense. Oh crap, that didn't work from what's

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that movie? Hell Raiser? We have such nonsense to show

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you if you will be sure to follow this. If

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you want to see the such nonsense that I have

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to show you there, be sure to follow me on

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Twitter to follow the such nonsense that I have to

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show you. As hell Raiser Pennhead, everybody wants to you

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want to call him hell Raiser, His name is not

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hell Raiser, as Pinhead says, we have such a nonsense

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to show you. All right, God bless everybody, have a

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good night, and we will talk to you soon. Merry Christmas.