Speaker 1: People spread out all over the mountains, taking all the
Speaker 1: land and eating all the food. Animals didn't have any
Speaker 1: place to go. Eagle, chief of the animals, told the
Speaker 1: animals that they could not remain in their traditional places
Speaker 1: because people had taken them. He asked them where they
Speaker 1: wished to go. Eagle said, what are you going to become?
Speaker 2: What will you be?
Speaker 1: I myself am going to fly high up in the
Speaker 1: air and live on squirrels and sometimes on deer. Harryman said,
Speaker 1: I will go live among the big trees and hunt
Speaker 1: only at night when people are asleep. Dog said I
Speaker 1: will stay with people and be their friend, and I
Speaker 1: will follow them, and perhaps I will get something.
Speaker 2: To eat in that way.
Speaker 1: Buzzard said, when something dies, I will smell it. I
Speaker 1: will go there and eat it. Crow said, when I
Speaker 1: see something lying dead, I will pick out its eyes.
Speaker 1: Coyote said, I will go about killing grasshoppers. That is
Speaker 1: how I will live. Hummingbird said, I will go to
Speaker 1: the flowers and get my food from them. Conwar said
Speaker 1: I will not stay here. I will go far off
Speaker 1: into the mountains. Perhaps I will find something to eat there.
Speaker 1: Woodpecker said, I will get acorns and make holes in
Speaker 1: the trees to store them in. Bou Jay said, I
Speaker 1: am going to make trees grow over the hills.
Speaker 2: I will work.
Speaker 1: Rat said, I will go where there are old trees
Speaker 1: and make my house in them. Mouse said, I will
Speaker 1: run here, there and everywhere. I shall have holes, and
Speaker 1: perhaps I can live in that way. Traut said, I
Speaker 1: will live in the water, and perhaps I can find
Speaker 1: something to eat there. That was the time when animals
Speaker 1: stopped being like us and scattered it.
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Speaker 2: And now we think we know. We're like we're like teenagers.
Speaker 2: We know everything right now? We know everything?
Speaker 1: Well no, no, no, no, I think we know a
Speaker 1: little bit enough just to be dangerous. But also our
Speaker 1: mindset is we don't know what everything we're gonna do,
Speaker 1: or what we're gonna know, or how we're gonna do it,
Speaker 1: or what we're gonna say.
Speaker 2: But we do know that we're gonna learn more and
Speaker 2: we're gonna get better and better. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 2: we're gonna have some good drinks and you're going to
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Speaker 1: So tonight we're gonna turn the corner a little bit
Speaker 1: from you know, kind of the modern view of Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: The daisies and the rabbits and the welcome to Oregons.
Speaker 1: Or maybe even the more the fairy is, yes, you
Speaker 1: can take a drink if you're playing our drinking game.
Speaker 1: The more nefarious reports that come out of places like
Speaker 1: the national parks where people go missing, or where people
Speaker 1: have been abducted and brutalized by Big Four.
Speaker 2: Where Teddy Roosevelt's friend died, got mrked or his partners.
Speaker 1: His friends, his friend's partner got yeah, gork bitten in
Speaker 1: the karateid artery with fame, was.
Speaker 2: It karated whatever?
Speaker 1: What's the one that runs in your drink, it's that
Speaker 1: big one we're in there.
Speaker 2: I think it's karateid. Yeah, yeah, because that's the karated
Speaker 2: holt where you kind.
Speaker 1: Of choke people out. But today we are going to,
Speaker 1: as you heard in the opening, we are going to
Speaker 1: be investigating some of the earliest reports in North America
Speaker 1: of the creature that has modernly been called.
Speaker 2: Big sasquatchas snowman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those guys. And what's really cool about the Native
Speaker 1: American culture and history and mythology is that it includes
Speaker 1: not just like one or two or five or ten
Speaker 1: thousand types of creatures that could be called bigfoot or sasquatch,
Speaker 1: but there are literally hundreds of names for creatures in
Speaker 1: Native American mythology that equals Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Let's say that the two words are salami bagel, and
Speaker 2: then you translate that from Native American to English, it
Speaker 2: would be like bigfoot or is it just salami bagel
Speaker 2: equals the thing we associate with bagfoot.
Speaker 1: So the Native American names range from anything from hairy
Speaker 1: giant to harry Man to ice giant to rock giant
Speaker 1: to cannibal giant.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can just go down the lists. It
Speaker 2: doesn't literally translate to bigfoot, but it translates to the
Speaker 2: same thing as what we understand is it does.
Speaker 1: It does in one instance, which is the instance that
Speaker 1: we read the dramatic reading that we had as the.
Speaker 2: Opener about all the animals from the parting from the
Speaker 2: ways of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yo Kut tribe in the San Mulquin valley has
Speaker 1: a long history and actual Indian names for that can
Speaker 1: be translated as Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: And I want to mention right now a little bit
Speaker 2: of virtue signaling on my part. We're not good with
Speaker 2: pronunciation though, and we're not good with p see slang, whatever, Indian,
Speaker 2: Native American, native people, native Indian, whatever, whatever it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be used. Just give us. That's what we're trying
Speaker 2: to do. Give us. You're going to use as many
Speaker 2: different ones as possible so that we can cover.
Speaker 1: All our We love you all, and we don't want
Speaker 1: to offend anybody. So if we are in any way,
Speaker 1: shape or form, please forgive us in advance.
Speaker 2: We just people, We just some people.
Speaker 1: So strangely enough, the Yokuts tribe in the San Joaquin
Speaker 1: Valley in California had names that actually for this creature
Speaker 1: that actually translate to Bigfoot and or hairy man. The
Speaker 1: hairy man translation comes from the word mayuk de tat.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I'm saying that right.
Speaker 2: It's there's not a lot of like pronunciation guide or
Speaker 2: Facebook for these ancient ancient one two pronunciation right, so
Speaker 2: that would.
Speaker 1: Be translated hairyman mayok dytad and then the other one
Speaker 1: for bigfoot. The actual word bigfoot is shoon shoon nooter.
Speaker 1: It's like shoon shoon newt and then are with an
Speaker 1: exclamation plate, So maybe shoon shun yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: But anyway, that translates in the Yoku language to bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So in that little opening, little reed that we did
Speaker 1: that kind of explains the origination of the animals and
Speaker 1: how they live. The was it the second or third
Speaker 1: description of the hairy man and he lives among the
Speaker 1: the large trees, which could be translated sequoias.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, and this originates from a tribe in the San
Speaker 1: Joaquin Valley. So there's a very rich history of bigfoot
Speaker 1: sidings and sasquat sidings in that region. And I just
Speaker 1: find that really really crazy. So here we have a
Speaker 1: story that's thousands of years old, and it's been translated
Speaker 1: and passed down sure, But here, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we find in this story and the creation story of
Speaker 1: how animals became the way they are because man took
Speaker 1: over the environment.
Speaker 2: Because they used to be kind of like people used
Speaker 2: to like discuss and dialogue together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then when man came in, then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, they had.
Speaker 2: To like scatter get out here. And the hairy man
Speaker 2: says that he's going to to live with the sequoias
Speaker 2: and he's going to hunt at night when the humans
Speaker 2: are sleep, when they're asleep.
Speaker 1: I find that that kind of intriguing. Another intriguing part
Speaker 1: of that. So you think about the creation story and
Speaker 1: you have all these animals, and then at the fall,
Speaker 1: if you look at the biblical methods, at the fall,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it says in Genesis it talks
Speaker 1: about that the fear of man will overtake the animals,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the animals are no longer
Speaker 1: like in are in harmony with humankind, and it's like
Speaker 1: they're separated. And and then after the flood you have
Speaker 1: where all of a sudden, now man is a meat eater,
Speaker 1: and before the flood he was he was vegan.
Speaker 2: Mm hm oh all right.
Speaker 1: So so it's all these things are kind of weird
Speaker 1: that you know that this is all kind of boiled
Speaker 1: down into this myth.
Speaker 2: This the snake. We're crawling on his belly and he'll
Speaker 2: no longer talk, right, Andy, a thing for all animals?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I mean, so I bought this book.
Speaker 1: And the book is called Giants, Cannibals and Monsters Bigfoot
Speaker 1: in Native Culture and it's by Kathy Moscowitz Strain. And
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this book is awesome. It's got pictures,
Speaker 1: which is important to me because I'm one of those readers. Right,
Speaker 1: It's got all these pictures, and but it's looking down
Speaker 1: by different you know, regions, and you can kind of
Speaker 1: find all these stories that relate to Bigfoot in North America.
Speaker 1: And there's a map that breaks them down into these
Speaker 1: different regions. Like one of them is the Arctic Cultural Region,
Speaker 1: So in that region you have a lot of history,
Speaker 1: like like the Eskimo tribes. And then another like you
Speaker 1: have like the Sioux, you have the Commanche, you have
Speaker 1: all these different Indian tribes and they're legends of a
Speaker 1: creature that is basically the same as Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Crazy.
Speaker 1: So they have the Hairy Man, you have the rock Giant,
Speaker 1: you have the Hairy Giant, you have the cannibal Giant.
Speaker 1: You have all these strange stories about these mythical creatures
Speaker 1: from Native American lore.
Speaker 2: Right, you read one earlier about just kind of off
Speaker 2: mic about giants basically having a war yep. Like so
Speaker 2: basically but nice, kind friendly giants taking in a group
Speaker 2: of people and then fighting against against cannibal giants that
Speaker 2: could scream so loud it would kill people that were small.
Speaker 2: And it sounds like these giants were huge giants. I
Speaker 2: mean like like at one point you talked about how
Speaker 2: they hid the normal sized people.
Speaker 1: On a shelf in their wigwam, then there were the
Speaker 1: size of a mountain.
Speaker 2: Yep. Have you ever seen or read the book BFG,
Speaker 2: it's about these giants. I don't know what BFG stands for,
Speaker 2: but if you've ever seen Boondock Saints, PFG to me
Speaker 2: just means big friggin guy. But giant he hides is
Speaker 2: kind of a kind giant takes this kid and he
Speaker 2: like keeps her safe, and the giants don't eat vegetables,
Speaker 2: so he like stuffs the girl inside of like a
Speaker 2: kind of a gorgon.
Speaker 1: Type thing because they like to eat humans, because.
Speaker 2: They want to eat humans, and they're they're huge. And
Speaker 2: the one giant comes in and makes a mess of
Speaker 2: his giant apartment and then he's hiding the girl inside
Speaker 2: a gourg type weird vegetable. Well, one thing I think
Speaker 2: the giant does. Yeah, he like doesn't know all the
Speaker 2: right words, but he kind of like tries, so he
Speaker 2: calls him like human beings being, but it's not being.
Speaker 1: So is this like a work of fiction or is
Speaker 1: this based on some.
Speaker 2: It's Kids book? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well interesting do you say that? So I want
Speaker 1: to draw some parallels here. So we're talking about giants
Speaker 1: that are cannibals. We're talking about good giants and bad giants.
Speaker 1: And and for those that listen to the episodes, just
Speaker 1: what two or three episodes back, and we talked about
Speaker 1: the Nephelin and the raf Am and basically these gods
Speaker 1: or angels that saw that women were beautiful and they
Speaker 1: cohabited with him and produced offspring that became you know,
Speaker 1: the giants, the men of Renown or the Nephelom in
Speaker 1: the biblical context. So some of them sound like maybe
Speaker 1: they weren't so bad, and some of them were really bad,
Speaker 1: which in the biblical context brought about the destruction of
Speaker 1: the world through judgment and the flood, the Great Flood.
Speaker 1: But in these Native American legends, there's always these cannibal
Speaker 1: giants which are always juxtaposed to maybe these these good
Speaker 1: benevolent giants. So like in the Book of Enoch and
Speaker 1: the story of the Watchers, you have these these creatures,
Speaker 1: and it was it was even brought out by in
Speaker 1: that movie Noah with Russell Crowe, and I put a
Speaker 1: segment of that on one.
Speaker 2: Of our episodes. And so these guys, these.
Speaker 1: Fallen angels came down and they actually like tried to
Speaker 1: help mankind, but they were cursed because they left their abode, right,
Speaker 1: But some of them came down, and in the Book
Speaker 1: of Enoch, a lot of these characters are bad. And
Speaker 1: the offspring of these of these angels that cohabited with
Speaker 1: women were violent and they were cannibals and destructive and awful.
Speaker 1: So it's almost like you've got that same story in
Speaker 1: Native American culture. You got these giants that were huge
Speaker 1: but weren't necessarily you know, bad, right, and then you
Speaker 1: have this other these other tribes.
Speaker 2: And we talked about that.
Speaker 1: A lot of Bigfoot researchers believe that maybe Bigfoot are
Speaker 1: composed of like a bunch of different tribes of Bigfoot
Speaker 1: type of creatures. Some of them maybe have good characteristics,
Speaker 1: some of them maybe are bad or really nefarious. So
Speaker 1: these stories from Native American history and mythologies kind of
Speaker 1: support that they all kind of tie together, and it's
Speaker 1: just really intriguing to me to see how they kind
Speaker 1: of marry up right, And maybe it's a little bit.
Speaker 2: Of self fulfilling prophecy because we're looking forward to draw
Speaker 2: the links where we feel like we could, because you
Speaker 2: could probably draw aling to a bunch of other things.
Speaker 2: But it's kind of cool the way how easily these
Speaker 2: links come up for us, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and you hear them and see him and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh okay. So not only that, but like
Speaker 1: in a lot of Native American mythologies and different tribes,
Speaker 1: there are these creation myths or creation stories a lot.
Speaker 2: Of cultures, not just Native amath.
Speaker 1: Tons, right, yeah, but we're talking mostly Native American stuff
Speaker 1: this episode. So even like in the the Sioux Indians,
Speaker 1: they have this creation myth that's very interesting and it
Speaker 1: kind of has a feature of a bigfoot type creature.
Speaker 1: They called him the chia Tunka or big man, And
Speaker 1: in this little description it says that the chia and
Speaker 1: Tunka or big Man is a kind of husband who
Speaker 1: is wise in the way of everything, with its own
Speaker 1: natural wisdom sometimes we say that this one is kind
Speaker 1: of an animal from the ancient times who can take
Speaker 1: a big, hairy form. I all so think he can
Speaker 1: change into a coyote. Some of the people who saw
Speaker 1: him did not respect what they were seeing, and they
Speaker 1: are already gone. They exist in another dimension from us,
Speaker 1: but can appear in the dimension whenever they have a
Speaker 1: reason to see. It's like they are many levels, many dimensions.
Speaker 1: When our time and this one is finished, we move
Speaker 1: on to the next. But the Big Man can go between.
Speaker 1: The Big Man comes from God. He's our big brother,
Speaker 1: kind of looks out for us.
Speaker 2: God probably being an interpretation of another.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be like it would be like the
Speaker 1: Sue Creator. Yeah, yeah, the Great Creator, the Great Spirit.
Speaker 1: And that's from the spirit of Crazy Horse by Peter Matheson. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, here you have this description of the Big
Speaker 1: Man come from God, from Crazy Horse who says that,
Speaker 1: you know, they see him as a multi demands being
Speaker 1: that comes from God.
Speaker 2: So what does that sound of the kind of words
Speaker 2: they used for dimension, because I don't think they knew dimension. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean they knew a dimension, other
Speaker 2: world or another another part of life, or a parallel
Speaker 2: plane or existence. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. But this is just
Speaker 1: so crazy to me that they're using this idea of
Speaker 1: big Man who is from the spirit realm. Let's just
Speaker 1: say that spirit realm who can come across into our
Speaker 1: dimension and take a shape of whatever he wants. And
Speaker 1: that sounds very similar to a lot of the Bigfoot
Speaker 1: kind of reportings that we have.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, it's always he. I mean, like some people
Speaker 2: say he has a cloaking device, and those are the
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, yeah yeah, And other people are saying he's
Speaker 2: passing through dimensions, and then there's other people that say
Speaker 2: he's like on a different wavelength and the vibrations of
Speaker 2: his existence occasionally line up with the vibrations of ours
Speaker 2: and we kind of like cross paths, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So there's all kinds of little weird theories about it,
Speaker 2: and these you know what's weird is it is always.
Speaker 1: And they kind of tie in with what we've been
Speaker 1: talking about, not only in this episode, but also when
Speaker 1: we were phasing out of the you know, our series
Speaker 1: on petroglyphs, and we were talking about all the legend
Speaker 1: mythologies across the world for different creatures, and one of
Speaker 1: them was this idea of giants and bigfoot and they're everywhere,
Speaker 1: and if you tie that in with the biblical kind
Speaker 1: of narratives that you have of like these creatures that fall,
Speaker 1: they come, they cohabit with women, they have these hybrid offspring,
Speaker 1: and then that those are somehow disembodied.
Speaker 2: And then we talked in the flood or whatever, in the.
Speaker 1: Flood or whatever, and then we talked about maybe the
Speaker 1: need to find a residence body, a resident body that
Speaker 1: they can live in, and we talked about synthetic kind
Speaker 1: of ideas, and we talked about maybe it's it.
Speaker 2: It could be.
Speaker 1: Some kind of cloning or some kind of genetic manipulation
Speaker 1: that creates a body. We talked about like UFOs and
Speaker 1: the connection to Bigfoot sightings and the supposed mutilated cows
Speaker 1: and these bodies that apparently look like baby Bigfoot coming
Speaker 1: out of cows after they're mutilated.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just really strange. It is super rid
Speaker 2: our logic. I mean, I don't know, Yeah, it's craziness.
Speaker 2: If if you follow along, what is kind of assumingly
Speaker 2: proposed is that aliens, no demon or angelic beings.
Speaker 1: The elohem which could be translated gods in.
Speaker 2: Our little gating biological suits via bovine surrogate mothers.
Speaker 4: To manipulation to live in our world, and tie that
Speaker 4: with the constant repeating of every alien abductee talks about
Speaker 4: that they are sexually probed.
Speaker 2: Like there's even guys.
Speaker 5: Who are like a kind of hope, I kind of
Speaker 5: hope that my trainer Park gets abducted backs again, because
Speaker 5: when I went up in that starship and then there
Speaker 5: was this beautiful alien and she comed out and she's naked,
Speaker 5: and she made me get naked and we did and
Speaker 5: and and they had they had a water bed, and uh,
Speaker 5: one thing led to another.
Speaker 2: There's stories about that, like a guy gets abducted, well,
Speaker 2: I know, you know, he like gets abducted, and then
Speaker 2: there's like a sexy alien that comes in. I've never
Speaker 2: heard of a sexy female alien about Marvin Gay. He's
Speaker 2: been like so most of the stories.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 1: Our people get abducted, they get they get like they
Speaker 1: wake up and they're kind of semi awake, and something's
Speaker 1: communicating with them telepathically and saying, hey, you know, don't worry,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be okay. But we're going to like basically
Speaker 1: do all these tests that involve your sexual organs, and
Speaker 1: so that's very comy. But anyway, that's a way far away.
Speaker 1: But it's also strangely connected to our is on Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: because they all kind of line up with this weird
Speaker 1: basic concept that something outside of our dimension, call it elohem,
Speaker 1: call it aliens, call it whatever you want, comes into
Speaker 1: our dimensional plane and interferes with what's going on here
Speaker 1: in human land.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of weird too, because we did a
Speaker 2: short little stint on you know, shipmen and stuff like. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and even they connect and yeah, even some of them
Speaker 2: kind of have like a sometimes sexual sometime you know
Speaker 2: kind of yep, they tie in less, but they do
Speaker 2: tie in a little bit.
Speaker 1: Well, and they connect also in the level of disembodied
Speaker 1: spirits and dimension kind of transportation, yeah, interdimensional maybe manifestations
Speaker 1: of some kind of spiritual existence of some thing, some
Speaker 1: some what would you call it. I was almost a deity,
Speaker 1: but it's not even a deity. It's some kind of
Speaker 1: existence of some kind of entity. Yeah, that's got its
Speaker 1: own unique persona. It's not like you know in Easter mysticism,
Speaker 1: where when you die everything kind of goes to the
Speaker 1: one source and we all become one of the cosmos. Obviously,
Speaker 1: in all things that we're talking about here about aliens
Speaker 1: and Bigfoot and even death and spirits, they retain their individuality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they aren't just persona just kind of vaporized to nothing,
Speaker 2: and they don't.
Speaker 1: Get assimilated into the borg. They they are still Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's a Star Trek reference. Okay, we have a borg.
Speaker 2: Lower your shields and story your ships.
Speaker 1: We will add to a biological and technological distinctiveness to
Speaker 1: our own. Your culture will adapt to services resistance.
Speaker 2: Come on, man.
Speaker 1: But so so yeah, they still retain their individuality. So
Speaker 1: I think I think that's all of these things are
Speaker 1: like kind of side rabbit holes, but they're all very
Speaker 1: interesting down that line. We also have a lot of
Speaker 1: Native American mythology. We have stories about the creation and
Speaker 1: about the creator. So I've got another one here. I
Speaker 1: gotta look at it.
Speaker 2: Really good, good book. Opening Noise, Thank you, was awesome,
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm just going to read this excerpt. It's
Speaker 1: from that book that I talked about earlier. Giants, Cannibals
Speaker 1: and Monsters by Kathy Muskowitz Strain bigfoot in native culture.
Speaker 1: So on page one oh seven under Drowned Giants in
Speaker 1: the Pawnee.
Speaker 2: Tribe Okay from Indiana, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the sources from fossil Legends of the First Americans
Speaker 1: by Adriana Mayer in two thousand and five. The first
Speaker 1: men who lived on Earth were very large Indians. These
Speaker 1: giants were very big and very strong, and used to
Speaker 1: hunt buffalo on foot. They were so swift and strong
Speaker 1: that he could run down a buffalo and kill it
Speaker 1: with a great stone or a club, or even with
Speaker 1: his flint knife. A giant could throw a bull buffalo
Speaker 1: over his back as a hunter today carries an antelope,
Speaker 1: and he would tuck a yearling in his belt like
Speaker 1: a rabbit. But these giants did not believe in Tarawa,
Speaker 1: the Creator. Nowadays, all people wherever they live, all Indians,
Speaker 1: all white men, all Mexicans, and all black men speak
Speaker 1: to Tarahua and ask that he will give them the
Speaker 1: right kind of mind and that he will bless them.
Speaker 1: But the giants of the old days did not respect
Speaker 1: the Creator, thinking that nothing could overcome them, they grew
Speaker 1: worse and worse. At last, Tarahua got angry and made
Speaker 1: the waters rise the ground became soppy mud. These great
Speaker 1: people sank down into the mud and were destroyed. The
Speaker 1: great bones found on the prairie are the bones of
Speaker 1: these people.
Speaker 2: WHOA That one's like too obvious of a parallel to
Speaker 2: what we've been talking about. I know, it's so.
Speaker 1: I mean, there you've got basically the story of the flood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically in a nutshell. If you added in the
Speaker 2: Book of Enoch, Yeah, if you just go with the
Speaker 2: traditional way I learned it in Sunday school, is like
Speaker 2: everybody was bay out and they all liked to drink
Speaker 2: the alcohols and love women, and then God punched.
Speaker 1: Well, it does say that they were violent, wickedly violent.
Speaker 1: The violence had overcome the earth, and that there God
Speaker 1: looked and there was like nobody was good. But if
Speaker 1: you look at the original Greek words that described Noah,
Speaker 1: it says that he was pure in his generations.
Speaker 2: Interesting, so it basically is the bloodline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's basically saying that his genetic or stud let
Speaker 1: me say, possibly could be saying that his genetic history
Speaker 1: was unblemished, so he didn't carry the dysfunctional yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: fallen fallen angel genetics, and so God destroyed the world
Speaker 1: to save mankind.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very very interesting when you look at it
Speaker 1: through that lens. So the story it's not it's not
Speaker 1: exclusive to you know, that narrative, the Mesopotamian narrative, whether
Speaker 1: it's you know, the Book of Enoch or the Innuma Leish,
Speaker 1: or you talk about the Bible, the Torah. This is
Speaker 1: about a story that is spread across the world, and
Speaker 1: there are similar stories in almost every major culture culture.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Even when you come way out west, I
Speaker 2: mean like this area, the Americas are pretty pretty far
Speaker 2: away from where every biblical thing quote unquote happened, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not the Middle You never hear like the h
Speaker 2: the children of Israel went to New York City. It's
Speaker 2: always like babush Kaban or something. Yeah, and that sounded Russian.
Speaker 2: I did Bushki I think means Grandma. Anyway, they're they're
Speaker 2: always going to a like Babylon or it's always some
Speaker 2: Middle Eastern sounding name. It's never the things that we recognize.
Speaker 2: But over here, you know you said pane, right, pony, pony.
Speaker 2: If anybody's watched Parks and Recreation, Panny indiandos where that
Speaker 2: takes place. Yeah. Yeah, So like that's taking all of
Speaker 2: these kind of flood giant Book of Enoch things and
Speaker 2: kind of bringing them over into our continent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's basically saying, Okay, these kind of narratives
Speaker 1: exist somewhere.
Speaker 2: Else, and it's not just there.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can go to Africa, you can go
Speaker 1: to Asia as rich in these kind of narratives. There
Speaker 1: are all these creation stories, all these creation myths that
Speaker 1: say the same thing when you boil them down, right,
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a surprise to me to hear these
Speaker 1: things in you know, like in Asia or even Egypt,
Speaker 1: because those are kind of connected. It's the same continent, right.
Speaker 2: You could you could walk there, right theoretically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can go into Russia, you can
Speaker 1: go into that whole.
Speaker 2: Siberia, down to France, whatever you want.
Speaker 1: But here in the Americas, you don't think that you
Speaker 1: would have that same connection, but you do. And not
Speaker 1: just from North America, but all the way down through
Speaker 1: South America. These things are everywhere. This story is everywhere.
Speaker 2: And so you know, kind of.
Speaker 1: Like we said in our discussion on petroglyphs, where we
Speaker 1: talked about these symbols kind of hint towards that there's
Speaker 1: a genesis that somehow these same stories originated from people
Speaker 1: who have experienced or knew the same stories around the
Speaker 1: same time. So this is the same thing, but this
Speaker 1: is in like more of a narrative spoken kind of tradition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oral translator, yeah, oral translation.
Speaker 1: These things were handed down. They weren't necessarily.
Speaker 2: Written on you know cablet right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were handed down orally from generation to generation.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure Little Orphanani right exactly.
Speaker 3: Little Orphanani by an old guy named John when he
Speaker 3: learned it in the fifth grade. Many years beyond here
Speaker 3: we go, Little or Fanantic comes to our house to stay,
Speaker 3: to wash the cups and saucers up and brush the
Speaker 3: crumbs away, the shoes and chickens off the porch, and
Speaker 3: clean the hearth, and make the beds and earboard and
Speaker 3: key and all the other children. When the supper dishes
Speaker 3: are done, we sit around the kitchen fire and had
Speaker 3: the most is fun listening to the ghost tails and
Speaker 3: said Granny Tael about and the gobbles that get you
Speaker 3: if you don't watch out.
Speaker 2: For those of you who don't know Little orphan any
Speaker 2: we played in I think it was one of our
Speaker 2: spooky things, strange things in the spooky place place, spooky
Speaker 2: things in a strange place. Yep. And my grandpa John
Speaker 2: needs to tell me that story when I was a
Speaker 2: little around a campfire, around campfires, or downstairs in the
Speaker 2: basement with all lights off and a flashlight in his face.
Speaker 1: So did you remember that story? You could you recite
Speaker 1: it right now, the whole thing. But if you could,
Speaker 1: that would be an oral tradition.
Speaker 2: And luckily now we have the ability to record that.
Speaker 2: But before it was kind of subject to embellishment because
Speaker 2: it's you know, here's the story that my grandpa told.
Speaker 2: But I bet you they heard the stories a lot more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So just like that. So let's carry that theme
Speaker 1: a little further. If you were to have to try
Speaker 1: to rem remember that entire story, you could probably get
Speaker 1: eighty ninety percent of it correct. You could write it down,
Speaker 1: you could you could make it up in your head,
Speaker 1: but you'd probably not remember every detail. So you'd have
Speaker 1: to kind of maybe embellish or throw in your own
Speaker 1: words or your own thoughts on what others you're based
Speaker 1: on your memory, And that's what happens in oral tradition.
Speaker 1: So these Native American stories. I'm sure they have some
Speaker 1: degradation down.
Speaker 2: Through time, like the telephone game, right exactly. You know,
Speaker 2: we got to take this stuff with a grain of salt.
Speaker 2: But the basic bedrock of these stories are the same
Speaker 2: as a lot of the stories that we find in
Speaker 2: other cultures. And it's very fascinating.
Speaker 1: So another book that I got, I got, I bought
Speaker 1: a couple books because I wanted to research some of
Speaker 1: this stuff, is called Giants of the down Land Ancient
Speaker 1: Wabanaki Tales. I guess that's how you pronounce it. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's Wabanicky Tales. But it's a collection that was collected
Speaker 1: by Alice Mead and Arnold Neptune, and it's a little book,
Speaker 1: and it's got all these stories that kind of they
Speaker 1: all kind of run together, they all kind of fit together.
Speaker 1: The basic part of this entire story is that there
Speaker 1: were a bunch of bad giants, there were a few
Speaker 1: good giants, and there were human heroes. And the human
Speaker 1: heroes went out and battled most of the bad giants
Speaker 1: and killed them with the help of some of the
Speaker 1: good giants, and then the good giants eventually just died out,
Speaker 1: and the ones that stayed were kind of they hid themselves.
Speaker 2: So that makes like you're talking about a good giant
Speaker 2: that helps defeat the bad giants or a good superhuman
Speaker 2: that helps defeat the bad superhumans. It makes me think
Speaker 2: of like Hercules. Yeah, it sounds like Greek mythology, right exactly.
Speaker 2: It makes me think of that, where like you've got
Speaker 2: this guy, he's kind of bad, but he like people,
Speaker 2: and he goes and kind of love but you know,
Speaker 2: he's kind of like battling with is he a god?
Speaker 2: Is he not? Because he's better than the other people,
Speaker 2: but he's trying to fit in, but he's you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then he goes and he fights all these other
Speaker 2: Greek terrible monsters and these bad evil things, and then
Speaker 2: you go straight to like Norse, like Viking, same stuff,
Speaker 2: thor odin Loki, all the characters from the Marvel comics,
Speaker 2: and you kind of have the same exact thing, like
Speaker 2: a guy he's like kind of fallen from his well.
Speaker 1: You got all these these gods that are basically having
Speaker 1: offspring with human women.
Speaker 2: Gods in uh let's Hercules is what we started with.
Speaker 2: He's the byproduct of human and zeus, right, I think so,
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, and then there's four. He's not necessarily
Speaker 2: the product of that, although Loki was adopted by but
Speaker 2: who does he get the hots for a human apartment? Right?
Speaker 2: I don't know they're the same Natalie Portman. Okay, yeah
Speaker 2: in that one. But anyway, but Thor gets banished because
Speaker 2: of his lust for humanity, I think, or no, he's
Speaker 2: a little too arrogant, but but he leaves his domain. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he like humanity. It's like the same kind of thing
Speaker 2: every time. It's not necessarily that Zeus porked Natalie Porkman,
Speaker 2: but that Odin banished Thor for loving Natalie Portman. You know,
Speaker 2: like there's like a weird parallelism. Is that weird?
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about this, so even if you break.
Speaker 2: It down to Thunder and Lightning and Zeus and Odin
Speaker 2: and how they're kind of very similar characters and they
Speaker 2: kind of like tear down in the same way, and
Speaker 2: then you have frost giants in the Norse mythology, and
Speaker 2: how Odin comes or Loki comes from frost giants and
Speaker 2: he's he's kind of a conquered heirloom or a trophy
Speaker 2: or the beast, the son of It's just weird. How
Speaker 2: there's so many.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the offspring of he's the adopted offspring of
Speaker 1: these dark creatures, these dark gods or whatever they were.
Speaker 2: And he's kind of good, kind of bad. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then but he's adopted by Odin.
Speaker 2: And here's the weirdest part. Loki has sex with his mom,
Speaker 2: his adopted mom, I believe. And he has a horse
Speaker 2: with eight legs named Light near that Odin rides. I
Speaker 2: don't know what that has to do with anything. That's
Speaker 2: so messed up. That's that's an example of a rural tradition, right.
Speaker 2: It is well, and you know it's so weird.
Speaker 1: It's so weird because you think about all this stuff
Speaker 1: and kind of gives you a little bit of a
Speaker 1: headspin because we live here in what we call reality.
Speaker 1: But underneath reality, you know, all this stuff like the
Speaker 1: reality of Google and social networking and our govern and structure,
Speaker 1: there is something more sinister under the.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I like to call it the facade,
Speaker 2: the Great facade. It's all a facad.
Speaker 1: We live in this place, and we like to think
Speaker 1: of certain ways that we've been basically cultured to believe
Speaker 1: our entire lives. But underneath that is the subcurrent of
Speaker 1: all these weird things that we don't think about very
Speaker 1: much because well, you know, it's crazy and it's for
Speaker 1: people on the fringe, people that are out there. But man,
Speaker 1: if you start poking that thing, if you start lifting
Speaker 1: the hood on that Cadillac, you start thinking.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what is going on?
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I find it fascinating. I find
Speaker 1: a little bit creepy. I don't find it necessarily like scary,
Speaker 1: although I think it's wise to have a little bit
Speaker 1: of caution with it. But I do think it's something
Speaker 1: that it's not bad to open your eyes to because
Speaker 1: you say, something crazy happened, something supernatural happened, something opened up,
Speaker 1: something a.
Speaker 2: Portal, like in that Avengers movie where like all those
Speaker 2: right and then the giant worm whales come out of
Speaker 2: the sky. Yeah, like that, something like that happens. Or
Speaker 2: like what if what if like an.
Speaker 1: Alien actually showed up an alien, or what if a
Speaker 1: bigfoot showed up? What if somebody captured a giant that
Speaker 1: couldn't phase back into his dimension.
Speaker 2: If he's in a dimension, yeah, he's stuck.
Speaker 1: What if there was some kind of weird contact like
Speaker 1: that made I know like, if you get into like
Speaker 1: the conspiracy sites, people talk about that there are portals
Speaker 1: that have been opened between this world and this other
Speaker 1: dimension forever, and that there are basically sub governments, clandestine
Speaker 1: organizations that exist that are doing business with these entities
Speaker 1: on the other side of these portals, and they're giving
Speaker 1: us all kinds of information and in exchange, we're doing
Speaker 1: all these weird things. What if something happened that some
Speaker 1: of that was actually real all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, it's like that I've mentioned this before, I think,
Speaker 2: but like that that the episode of is It George F.
Speaker 1: Norri Coast to Coast, Yeah, Coast to Coast anaum, George.
Speaker 2: Ryan and the guy calls in. He's like, hey, he's
Speaker 2: I used to work at Area fifty one, and he's
Speaker 2: all scattered in his voice and he's talking about how
Speaker 2: it's interdimensional and how these things and the other dimension
Speaker 2: want them and it's all scary him. And then that's
Speaker 2: the only time that the George Noruri show has ever
Speaker 2: gone offline. Oh yeah, just yeah, just gonnact And it's like,
Speaker 2: oh boy, something about it that fits this narrative I'm
Speaker 2: putting together in my head that is so weird. But
Speaker 2: what if that's legit? What if that's actually what?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: What if there is actually some crazy area fifty one
Speaker 2: multi dimensional monster? Yea upside down from stranger things. So
Speaker 2: here here's something to think about.
Speaker 1: I talked a little bit about this in some of
Speaker 1: our previous episodes. So the only difference is in the
Speaker 1: difference of the labels that we put on things. If
Speaker 1: you add different words all of a sudden, it doesn't
Speaker 1: make much difference. Like for me, I was raised in
Speaker 1: a Judeo Christian family, and I have all this these
Speaker 1: verbiages that I use or that I was taught to
Speaker 1: explain certain things. So it had things like angels and demons.
Speaker 1: It had things like you know, heaven and Hell. It
Speaker 1: had words about, you know, creatures that were giants and
Speaker 1: that were angelic beans that did certain things, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things that were supernatural in that well
Speaker 1: Judeo Christian background. Yeah, so all I have to do
Speaker 1: is shuffle that and change the words too. I can
Speaker 1: put aliens, I can put bigfoot, I can put giants,
Speaker 1: I can put all kinds of stuff. I can put
Speaker 1: inter dimensional portals, I can put UFOs. All of a
Speaker 1: sudden if something showed up in my existence, my reality
Speaker 1: from a different dimension or from outer space, or from heaven,
Speaker 1: or from a portal or from a rapture, they are
Speaker 1: all the same, right, they could be all the same.
Speaker 1: So so my understanding might have a different word, but
Speaker 1: the basic component of what it is is still the same.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like if you were to take the
Speaker 2: word ghost, and then you can change that word into spirit.
Speaker 2: You can change that word into demon, and then you
Speaker 2: can change the spirit also into your your you take
Speaker 2: mohem from spirit, you can go to your consciousness consciousness
Speaker 2: and then so spirit can be you, or spirit can
Speaker 2: be a demon. But you can go from demon, you
Speaker 2: can go to angel fallen angel, and then you can
Speaker 2: go so now a ghost could be an angel, and
Speaker 2: then you know, like all these things kind of tie together,
Speaker 2: if that makes any sense. Yeah, they totally the same
Speaker 2: same names. They're all the same kind of thing, but.
Speaker 1: The same concept with different names.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's all it's all the basic remnant, the
Speaker 2: remnants of consciousness. Yeah. So yeah, it makes total sense
Speaker 2: that those things can be in another dimension plane whatever
Speaker 2: you want to come.
Speaker 1: If you want to totally fall down the rabbit hole,
Speaker 1: and you have the concept of simulation. So you know,
Speaker 1: the scientists have said, maybe this is all a simulation.
Speaker 1: We just exist, we're AI in some super computer. Right,
Speaker 1: So what if all of these words, all of these things,
Speaker 1: all of these experiences, all these things that kind of
Speaker 1: tie together, are the same thing in the simulation of
Speaker 1: something that is taking place and transpiring but isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: unique to our description in our own existence.
Speaker 2: It's like you're playing the same video game, but you've
Speaker 2: changed the language that the video games get.
Speaker 1: Playing language color. You've created your own avatars. So basically
Speaker 1: all of those things that could be you know, something
Speaker 1: else in the game, you just basically say, okay, those
Speaker 1: are now these things in the game.
Speaker 2: It's to choose your own adventure, but the storyline is
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 1: But it's like, and your your AI, your.
Speaker 2: You know, how you make your any like a goblin
Speaker 2: or like a Viking troll or a demon hunter, witch
Speaker 2: or a goon. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like your AI, your existence,
Speaker 1: your creature of whatever you are, is not chosen by you.
Speaker 1: It was chosen for you. So yeah, kiss me, test
Speaker 1: you your name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was chosen for you.
Speaker 1: You know, that gets down to the basic nitty gritty
Speaker 1: of Okay, what is human continent?
Speaker 2: Are you on? What condent? Basically? Yeah, kind of yeah?
Speaker 1: What kind of what tribe?
Speaker 2: What? What condent? What creation? What AI?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 2: How is this story related to you?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: So the development of this AI, or the development of
Speaker 1: your consciousness eventually will if you follow the Judeo Christian narrative,
Speaker 1: will be rebooted. So the difference between you and other
Speaker 1: AI is that, if you are human, you were created
Speaker 1: in the image of the createur. And what is that image?
Speaker 1: What does he do?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: The creator creates, right, So humans create, which is obvious.
Speaker 1: I mean, just look at our computer, look at our technology.
Speaker 1: All of these things are on an exponential growth scale.
Speaker 1: They get more and more and more as you go along.
Speaker 1: That is the That is maybe the quality of God
Speaker 1: that he is bestowed.
Speaker 2: He is a.
Speaker 1: Creator, but he's also good, true in all of these things.
Speaker 1: So interject inside of this this uh, well, let's call
Speaker 1: it a virus that manipulates and confuses and congests and
Speaker 1: destroys and basically changes the AI to become wicked.
Speaker 2: Do you think that that was a this virus quote
Speaker 2: unquote was a planned assault by a hacker quote unquote
Speaker 2: that wants to kind of be in God's image, that
Speaker 2: wants to be a creator. And there's a form of jealousy.
Speaker 2: And these things that weren't created in the image of
Speaker 2: the creator are constantly trying to hack their way into
Speaker 2: the image of the creator so that they can they
Speaker 2: too can create, and they too can be a part
Speaker 2: of this thing that was created. Good because they didn't
Speaker 2: receive the same treatment, because they think that's kind of
Speaker 2: what happened.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe those things were not created to be creators but.
Speaker 2: Servants maybe, and they didn't like that, and they wanted
Speaker 2: to be creators. Imagine, they're trying to hack their way
Speaker 2: into a dimension of world where they are creators. So
Speaker 2: they're creating their own world. That's all jumbled up because
Speaker 2: it's not good except.
Speaker 1: For that their creation, their creativity is actually not creativity.
Speaker 1: It is destructivity. It is the destruction of the creation,
Speaker 1: because that is not.
Speaker 2: Part of their bad creativity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the ALTI it's the opposite of creativity.
Speaker 2: No, well they're creating.
Speaker 1: No, in my mind, I mean, I'm just saying that's
Speaker 1: that would be so what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying is, because we're talking about Bigfoot, we're talking about
Speaker 2: the potential for something to be trying. And that's kind
Speaker 2: of what I think both of us. I don't think
Speaker 2: we think it's a biological creature that's naturally just good
Speaker 2: at hiding.
Speaker 1: No, not unless, not unless there was a biological suit
Speaker 1: made to house an entity.
Speaker 2: Yet, but that wouldn't be a biological thing. You can't
Speaker 2: make something biological. It would be tampered with it.
Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting that if there was something that was
Speaker 1: created to be a biological suit, that it would have
Speaker 1: to be created by humankind rather than the actual entity
Speaker 1: that needed the biological suit. Thus the need might go Okay, sorry.
Speaker 2: So we're we're saying it's not a biological, natural animal
Speaker 2: that runs around and is good at hiding, right, We're
Speaker 2: saying that it's potentially something being used to break its
Speaker 2: way into our world, into our humanity.
Speaker 1: Possibly, I mean we are way out there, but yes, possibly.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's a group out there that wishes it was
Speaker 2: made in the image of the creator, and it's creating
Speaker 2: its own messed up version of what is not good
Speaker 2: to break into what is good exactly, and it's trying
Speaker 2: to form its way into our society, and then you
Speaker 2: get reptilian you know, government, and where things are getting
Speaker 2: even worse because right now we're off the chains. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're talking about cattle mutilation, sasquatch children of cows that
Speaker 2: are trying to hack their way into humanity. So one
Speaker 2: thing that's weird here. I don't know how else you
Speaker 2: can explain, Shaquille O'Neil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, right, well, so there is you know,
Speaker 1: there are genetic mutations that are obviously not because of
Speaker 1: some kind of weird, you know, demonic kind of influence,
Speaker 1: but it is weird to think about that. And we're
Speaker 1: way down the rabbit hole on this. I mean we
Speaker 1: started it like Native American legends Bigfoot, and we're way
Speaker 1: down here. But it's fun to and if we've lost you,
Speaker 1: I apologize for that because I mean that's kind of
Speaker 1: like we went from like a you know, one oh
Speaker 1: one all the way down to like graduate level kind
Speaker 1: of conspiracy in in geology and all kinds of weird stuff.
Speaker 1: But on the surface level, I mean, basically you have
Speaker 1: two options.
Speaker 2: A bigfoot.
Speaker 1: He's either a biological, natural occurring kind of creature. He's
Speaker 1: an animal that has Yeah, he's an animal that has
Speaker 1: no supernatural kind of or he is something other than that.
Speaker 1: Now in that other than that, there are several categories
Speaker 1: you could subdivide. You could say he's he's a biological
Speaker 1: genetic manipulation.
Speaker 2: He could be a chimera.
Speaker 1: He could be a synthetic he could be a multi
Speaker 1: dimensional creature. You know, you could you could go down that.
Speaker 2: Even a robot. I've heard more like some kind of conspiracy.
Speaker 1: Miss well that was a really famous six million dollar
Speaker 1: Man episode where he meets the Bigfoot and it's a
Speaker 1: robot Bigfoot. That's a great episode. But false information, like
Speaker 1: he could be something.
Speaker 5: Just to distract the economy and change people's perception of
Speaker 5: reality or so get.
Speaker 1: Their mind off. Maybe something that's true misinformation.
Speaker 2: That's a thing.
Speaker 1: But you don't know, You don't know, but we do
Speaker 1: know that it's not a modern invention because of our
Speaker 1: Native American examples. There are hundreds of them in this book,
Speaker 1: right and not. I mean, you don't even have to
Speaker 1: get this book, although I would suggest it. I'll put
Speaker 1: a link to it on the website and you could
Speaker 1: check it out. If you go to our website, there's
Speaker 1: a blog that I do that has basically a kind
Speaker 1: of a I don't know, it's just a little supplement
Speaker 1: to every episode that we do, and it has some
Speaker 1: of the links to information that we share or maybe.
Speaker 2: The music show content.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of you know, kind of use the
Speaker 1: fair use license and throw a lot of like little
Speaker 1: musical interludes and things like that in.
Speaker 2: Go to our.
Speaker 1: Website there links all that stuff. But there's a link
Speaker 1: to this book and you can check it out and
Speaker 1: buy it if you are so inclined. It's awesome and
Speaker 1: that's there for you if you need it.
Speaker 2: Subscribe to everything we got, Facebook, Instagram, Stitcher, like we
Speaker 2: said earlier.
Speaker 1: And just so you know, there's a lot more coming.
Speaker 1: I mean, we haven't even scratched the surface on strange things.
Speaker 2: So yeah, like from where we're at right now, we
Speaker 2: can go all different directions. There's rabbit trails shooting off
Speaker 2: all over this phone. Oh my gosh. We can talk
Speaker 2: about other cryptids, nas nas, mothman aliens, we can talk about.
Speaker 1: Hen We could do a topic of every single type
Speaker 1: of bigfoot creature across the planet.
Speaker 2: Would take us probably eight years. I think it would
Speaker 2: take us forever.
Speaker 1: Because they're everywhere. We are not short of content.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of strange things in this strange place.
Speaker 1: From this place called Earth, but we want to keep
Speaker 1: doing this. We're having good times, we're having fun. You know,
Speaker 1: we take a lighthearted approach. Some of this stuff might
Speaker 1: be a little more sinister and might be a little
Speaker 1: more serious, but we just trust that there are bigger
Speaker 1: and better things for all of us. And you know,
Speaker 1: the more we know, the better. And what's that old
Speaker 1: saying I attributed it to? I know, I heard a
Speaker 1: guy named Chuck Missler say this, and he said that
Speaker 1: it's for God's glory that he conceals a mystery and
Speaker 1: it's for man's privilege to uncover it or discover it.
Speaker 2: And I love that saying. So, this creation, if you.
Speaker 1: Are so inclined to believe that it is a creation,
Speaker 1: or this universe, if you're not inclined to believe it
Speaker 1: has within it tons of mysteries.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And it's.
Speaker 1: Not only our privilege, but it's also something innate within
Speaker 1: us to discover as humans, as createors.
Speaker 2: What led those people up Lewis and Clark and stuff
Speaker 2: to discovery more discovery This podcast as silly as it is,
Speaker 2: is our attempt to do those things and to go
Speaker 2: out and discover, and we're creating something as we go.
Speaker 1: But hey, one thing we should do before we wrap
Speaker 1: up this episode. I know that we didn't go. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are so many, literally so many stories on Native
Speaker 1: American mythologies about a big foot type creature.
Speaker 2: I don't even know where to go.
Speaker 1: We could, I mean, we could spend months. I mean,
Speaker 1: this book probably has one hundred or so stories, and
Speaker 1: that's just scratching the surface, but they're everywhere to me.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the whole idea of the concept
Speaker 1: of giants, it kind of gets married into the bigfoot
Speaker 1: type thing, although I think they're different in some ways
Speaker 1: because the giants seem to be more even though they're huge,
Speaker 1: but they're also very human yeah organic, yeah, but Bigfoot
Speaker 1: tends to be almost beast like. So one thing that
Speaker 1: was very interesting I think we touched on in our
Speaker 1: last episode was the Provo citing a bigfoot down in
Speaker 1: Utah and that there was a connection there with ancient,
Speaker 1: well not ancient but old LDS literature. That the Provo
Speaker 1: giant had met a fellow and I can't remember his name.
Speaker 1: I'll put it on the website if I look it up.
Speaker 1: But basically, this guy walked with the Bigfoot for a
Speaker 1: while and then Bigfoot basically said hey, I'm I'm Caneir
Speaker 1: basically can't die and that's because I'm Caine. I'm the
Speaker 1: guy who killed Abel and the mark that was given
Speaker 1: to me so that people wouldn't kill me was all
Speaker 1: this ugly hair and stuff and basically I've been alive forever.
Speaker 2: And it can kill the lineage and his life monsters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that basically they're saying that the descendants of
Speaker 1: Cain are or were bigfoot sasquatch crazy. Yeah, so these
Speaker 1: things all over the world are basically the lineage of Cain,
Speaker 1: and you know, take it for what you will. It's
Speaker 1: not official any kind of official LDS doctrine, but it
Speaker 1: is there in their folklore right.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I.
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Speaker 2: Share us. I mean, the more people we.
Speaker 1: Can get watching the better and the more things that
Speaker 1: we can talk about, and more adventures we can have
Speaker 1: and share with you. Right now, we do this totally
Speaker 1: for free, for fun, and we love it and we'll
Speaker 1: keep doing it.
Speaker 2: Goofballs.
Speaker 1: But if we can get a little bit of revenue
Speaker 1: coming in, that would be awesome, because then we could
Speaker 1: go out and maybe go a little further from where
Speaker 1: we are geographically.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, you know, we get some people following us,
Speaker 2: get some supporters, we make our way down to Mexico,
Speaker 2: Cancoon area, check out chits Anda, that pyramid, yeah, that'd
Speaker 2: and spend the rest of the time on a resort
Speaker 2: doing some deep sea fishing and some yeah, some swim.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of weird crypts in the ocean, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we could if we go to the ocean and we
Speaker 2: start talking about ocean monsters, I might not like the
Speaker 2: ocean anymore. They're just terrifying.
Speaker 1: There's just some scary stuff about the ocean.
Speaker 2: Eck, there's scary stuff about everything.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: You read some of these.
Speaker 1: Stories about Bigfoot, and then you read about the number
Speaker 1: of people that have gone missing in national parks. That'll
Speaker 1: kind of freak you out because these people will just
Speaker 1: go disappearing. Nothing has ever found nothing, Ever, what happened
Speaker 1: to them?
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool, Or they do find it and it's
Speaker 2: like their hip was placed gingerly on a rock at
Speaker 2: the top of the peak.
Speaker 1: Whoa yeah, but at least there they're found. The ones
Speaker 1: that weird be on are like this, the ones that
Speaker 1: have just been like pulled through a portal yep, basically
Speaker 1: the side down yep.
Speaker 2: But hopefully we didn't deter you too much with our
Speaker 2: Bible babble.
Speaker 1: I think most of our audience has probably familiarity with
Speaker 1: a Judeo Christian kind of experience, whether they believe.
Speaker 2: It or not, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Everybody has to come to their own decisions and own
Speaker 1: understanding on their own time. Well, anyway, it's been a
Speaker 1: fun discussion. I know we kind of diverted and went
Speaker 1: deep into like some weird territory for a lot of.
Speaker 2: People, but hanging there with us.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk more about Bigfoot in our next episode.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly, Austin, where we're going to go on.
Speaker 2: Our next episode. I don't really know either, other than
Speaker 2: it's going to be Bigfoot oriented.
Speaker 1: So with that, why don't you close us out with
Speaker 1: the way that only you can.
Speaker 2: I think you guys should join us next time for
Speaker 2: some cold drinks and some strange
Speaker 1: Some very strange conversation, My guys,