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<v Speaker 1>From morecast Connect and aj Benza fame. Uh, he'd liked

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<v Speaker 1>to be walking on a leash and play really dirty,

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<v Speaker 1>kinky sex games. He's uh the guy put the cock

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<v Speaker 1>in the peacock network. Okay, bitch, hey, everybody, aj Benz here,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fame is? A bitch? This is your daily

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<v Speaker 1>Unfiltered podcast for June twenty fifth, twenty twenty six, six

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<v Speaker 1>two five two oh two six as we know June

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifth, Wow, big day. Michael Jackson dies. Farah Fawcet

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<v Speaker 1>dies my ex girl from Rebecca Soto's birthday. Oh my god, craziness.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't reached Rebecca. I've called her, I've reached out

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<v Speaker 1>to her through Facebook. She loved Jack so much, the

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<v Speaker 1>whole Puerto Rican connection. I mean, she was just love Papa, Papa.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you okay? Papa? It's like a daughter. She loved him.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not to make this another I'm not gonna cry.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't worry about it. Today's okay. We've got to

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<v Speaker 1>get back to life, all right, back to life, like

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<v Speaker 1>the song says, back to reality. It sucks, but we

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<v Speaker 1>all gotta get through it. And I woke up this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a rough night, just a The last few

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<v Speaker 1>days have been rough. I don't even know what we've eaten.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't cooked. I threw a pizza. And it's like

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<v Speaker 1>I said to Rocco, you know what, brother, I gotta disappear.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that I gotta go away for a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days. In my own head, I know that it's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'll be all right. And he was, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll wake up this morning feeling worse for wear, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just so much crying, too much st you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>he's up already. It's what are you doing? He's all,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go work with my friend. We're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>detailed cars. Wait a minute, what are you doing? No,

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<v Speaker 1>his father got him a power washer, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to go around and find people who want their cars done.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, fucking good for you. That's great fun, some

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<v Speaker 1>good old fashioned American young boy ingenuity. Get out there

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<v Speaker 1>and meet people. Hey, you want your call washed? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just a great thing. It's fuck I mean, remember

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<v Speaker 1>when we were kids. I don't know how many of

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<v Speaker 1>you did what I did, but you know we had

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<v Speaker 1>paper routes, right, and the paper out back then back

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<v Speaker 1>then meant to. You would drive your bicycle up to

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<v Speaker 1>the front door. Usually the screen door was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>was hoping. It was just like you're yelling collect collect

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<v Speaker 1>the dollar forty, you know, and they come to the

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<v Speaker 1>door and his two weeks. So you put it in

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<v Speaker 1>your book. Okay. You know it was like you learned business.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you threw them the paper. They gave you

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<v Speaker 1>the money. You know, when we relieved those people's houses,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like winter time and missus hogwan, you

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<v Speaker 1>got someone to shovel the driveway when it snows next week.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. My husband's out of town. Would you

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<v Speaker 1>do it? Yeah, I'll do it. Five bucks? All right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>when the snows, I'll come back. And that was what

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<v Speaker 1>we did. We made money. We swept, we shoveled driveways

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<v Speaker 1>or mode lawns, and we all put all money together.

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<v Speaker 1>I got ten, you got fifteen. Now we can have

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<v Speaker 1>some fun tonight, you know. So I'm very happy that

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<v Speaker 1>my son is thinking along those lines. You know. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the fact that you know, their grandfather, for all

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<v Speaker 1>practical purposes, is gone. He was my father to a degree,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know that was Papa, that was their granddad.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I'm very happy with my son that

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<v Speaker 1>that last summer we went to Chicago and he got

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to see, you know, how ill Jack was getting,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would hold his arm and walk to the pool.

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<v Speaker 1>We went to a public pool with the kids, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just seems, even though it's a horrible vision to see,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you not feel good about that that the

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<v Speaker 1>little human you're raising understands toppani's my help, he needs

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<v Speaker 1>my arm on his arm. It's just God, those are

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest moments of help being a parent, when your

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<v Speaker 1>kid just surprises you with you know, like, fuck, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. Do that. That's amazing. Good for you, buddy.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh kind of got me out of my adulgums.

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<v Speaker 1>I really because I'm like, you know, in two three

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<v Speaker 1>days of you know, I'm not really watching TV. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not really eating, I'm just laying in bed, I'm crying.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking to cousins and talking a row. It's a motherfucker.

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<v Speaker 1>I still have to talk to Joey. I've left the messages.

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<v Speaker 1>I know he's taking it hard. He's not called me back.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I have to respect that, you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>buddies of course, Kenny, Mike. You know, they ran on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone, and it's really nice when you know that

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<v Speaker 1>the guys you grew up with care and they just say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on in Pale You're you know, just it's

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<v Speaker 1>a really nice feeling, like it's a warm, good feeling

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<v Speaker 1>that there's guys in your life that that got your

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<v Speaker 1>back when ship goes bad, you know. And I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>headway with Michael Lewittis. I had a long conversation with him,

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<v Speaker 1>and again I apologize if I've said this already. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember. The last two or three days has been.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't even remember what I said when

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<v Speaker 1>I did. I've been you know, I've been like blind

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<v Speaker 1>walking around and I talked to Michael, you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>ex partner, and great conversation. We laughed so hard. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the things he remembers about the daily news are the

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<v Speaker 1>things we did. You're gonna die when he comes on.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we talked about remember we used to send

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<v Speaker 1>people hands. We would just send random people hands, so stupid,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'd walk onto an elevator, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've said this before, and you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take the elevator down for a couple of stories,

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<v Speaker 1>and as we get out, Michael will go, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I think Hitler was misunderstood. And we'd walk

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<v Speaker 1>out and you know that people behind us are just like,

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<v Speaker 1>what did I just hear Hitler was misunderstood? Yeah? You know, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>that was maligned. He's not. You know, we would say

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<v Speaker 1>this shit to people they didn't know. Michael. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a Jew. He's very proud of the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>he's a Jew. Matter of fact, when I called him,

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<v Speaker 1>he picks up and I go, Jesus was a Jew

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<v Speaker 1>and he killed they killed, And he was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead, keep talking. Yep, you're right, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we got into it, and you know, Michael went

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<v Speaker 1>to Yale, had a great fucking job at a public

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<v Speaker 1>relations firm, and suddenly one day tells me, I'd love

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<v Speaker 1>to work with you and Linda, what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>You got a great jo just I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I want to do gossip. Really yeah, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk to Linda, and I got it, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>got him involved and got him on the team, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking yesterday the other day and I'm like Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe you left that world for our world

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<v Speaker 1>as his best thing. Every did I said, wasn't it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't me? How great? How fucking fun were those six

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<v Speaker 1>or seven years. I mean, give me a goddamn no

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<v Speaker 1>one could could replicate what we did. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, nobody, nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, tell me, tell me stories, because sometimes I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm just talking to myself and I'm maybe making

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<v Speaker 1>shit up or remembering things differently. He's like, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll tell me things that are even crazier, like

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<v Speaker 1>that happened, what you don't remember it? No, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>believe this. Yeah, yeah, you did that. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael will be thinking. And then I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you had that little gir cute girlfriend, Marlene got She

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<v Speaker 1>was so cute. And you know, Michael, I've said this before.

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<v Speaker 1>Funny guy, great writer. He pulled a lot of pretty girls,

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<v Speaker 1>he really did. He had a lot of lookers, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was the one girl, Christine Lanagano, who was

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<v Speaker 1>Mayor Juliani's right hand man. She was I forgot her title,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was everything to Juliani to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>she was fucking him, and Michael was banging her too,

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<v Speaker 1>And at the same time, I'm banging Ronald Reagan's daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>Patty Davis, and I'm like, does anybody who else is

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<v Speaker 1>doing this? He would laugh. So I said, you with

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<v Speaker 1>the fucking mayor's girlfriend, and what the president's thought? Who's

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<v Speaker 1>the nobody? Oh my god, Michael, you know what a ball.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's gonna come on, but he said, listen, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking for work. He says, you know, I sold Gossip Cop.

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<v Speaker 1>He had this website you know where he would like

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<v Speaker 1>it's called gossip Cop. Maybe ten years ago he started it,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe longer, and he would like shoot down rumors that

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<v Speaker 1>were being printed. But I remember saying, you're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>want to do this forever. You're just shooting down rumors.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, now, you're right, I didn't, but I sold it.

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<v Speaker 1>Made some money on the field, okay, he said, But

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<v Speaker 1>right now I'm looking for work. So I want to

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<v Speaker 1>do your show, but I got to be careful what

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<v Speaker 1>I say. I go, yeah, God really, He goes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for work. I said, what the fuck has happened?

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<v Speaker 1>We were such stars and both of us are looking

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<v Speaker 1>for work and we have to be concerned about what

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<v Speaker 1>we said in the past or what's on our social media.

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<v Speaker 1>Gave me a fucking break. He's like, I know, this

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<v Speaker 1>is it. Michael was sixty four, he's sixty three. What

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck is going on? I don't know age, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. It's it's it's bad. Fuck, this is insane.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, we're all doing that, you know, not all,

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<v Speaker 1>but some of us are doing it. And it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the easiest thing in the world. How many people

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<v Speaker 1>hiring sixty four year old conservative white guys. They're just

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<v Speaker 1>not doing it. So we gotta figure it out. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's coming down to that that life has changed. The

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<v Speaker 1>world is the world has changed, as you guys know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very different place it used to be even

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<v Speaker 1>a few years ago. I'm watching fucking TV today. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>putting on Netflix and some good shows I'm laughing at

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<v Speaker 1>and I see you like an ad for Well coming soon.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a podcast show with this girl I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know it, Layley, Layley, Ellie Ellie. And she's got all

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<v Speaker 1>these people in her bed. I'm like, what how did

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<v Speaker 1>she get a Netflix? So? Who is this? Who wants

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<v Speaker 1>to hear her talk? To married people in her bed.

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<v Speaker 1>We did this years ago. We did the bed interviews.

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<v Speaker 1>We did it. Michael Hutchins's you Know What's to name

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<v Speaker 1>was a fucking tiger. Lily the crazy bitch, she did it.

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<v Speaker 1>She had a big show for years from England. She

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<v Speaker 1>would talk to people in bed. I did it too.

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<v Speaker 1>I've done the same thing. Like it's back again. You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put people in her bedroom? Yeah? And who is

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<v Speaker 1>Layley the I can't who is this was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>think she's the next star? Really? Come on, man, don't don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't allow all this bullshit to happen. I know there's

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<v Speaker 1>a little we could do. We can't change the course

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<v Speaker 1>of Hollywood and who gets hired. But don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>like them, don't follow them, don't talk about them, don't

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<v Speaker 1>make them interesting. Just walk away these fucking assholes. Oh god,

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<v Speaker 1>you know I'm watching. You know I got a call.

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<v Speaker 1>I got many of you called and texted me. You're

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<v Speaker 1>so sweet and concerned about me and I You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I cherish all of you for reaching out to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And ZeVA the Great ZeVA Palmer texted me, you know

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<v Speaker 1>It really wrecked me. Oh my god. You know, she

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<v Speaker 1>still you know, you just you're ripe, you're wide you're wounded,

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<v Speaker 1>you're wide open. Right. We talk about living with the ache, right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>not live without the ache. That's it, that's life, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what he's owed. And I says, you know, I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in a house. It was a fucking opera.

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<v Speaker 1>One minute, we could be screaming on each other, fuck you,

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<v Speaker 1>You know we did. That's how my family was like that,

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<v Speaker 1>I watched people do this on Instagram. I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 1>or sarcastic. What the fuck is? Just come out with

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<v Speaker 1>it now now as good as me. They're not. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>And then I see this clip of al Pacino going

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that kind of thing. He's spitting, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>his emotional his lips are wet, and a lot of us,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, think about Robert de Niro as the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, Pacino's more us. There's nothing understated

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I've told his story, and uh, I was

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<v Speaker 1>a and we're fighting about Trump whatever the fuck. And

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<v Speaker 1>Pacino's with this girl. By the way, he's gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>another baby now, he's this is insane. And Bill Maher

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<v Speaker 1>takes this girl out too. I don't know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but she's pregnant again. Okay, So his girl

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<v Speaker 1>leaves to the bathroom, car leaves. They're both crying, and

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<v Speaker 1>he looks at me and it was a great moment

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<v Speaker 1>and what are you gonna do? Like he gave me that,

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<v Speaker 1>like what can we do? And then I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe three four months later, walking down the village and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Guys knew the village so so great. And I'm walking

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<v Speaker 1>and okay, I'll get some coffee. You sit outside, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Paccino sitting outside. I says, hey, remember me, our

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriends were both right in the bedroom. What else is new?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? I just he understood it. He got it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a regular guy, he says, you know, the one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like he was so like just full of knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>for me. You know, he didn't even know me. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't change them. They change us, like just so loud,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, yeah, no, you're right, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>I told him his story about when I was with

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer and we went to see American Buffalo on Broadway

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<v Speaker 1>and how brilliant it was. We waited by the stage

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<v Speaker 1>door and I left the play and I got my

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<v Speaker 1>mos to RX seven. I parked it on the street.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can't do because you get tickets, you get towed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time square and I'm sitting there and we're waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for him to come out. The car's purring because you

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<v Speaker 1>know he's gonna jump in a town car and go

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<v Speaker 1>back to Jersey or whatever fuck he lives. Sure enough,

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<v Speaker 1>he comes out of that door, the stage door, and

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<v Speaker 1>he sees me, he and my wife. Immediately, he makes

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<v Speaker 1>a beeline to us, gives me a hug, gives my

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<v Speaker 1>wife a kiss. We love you al like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just fanning all over him. And he gets in

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<v Speaker 1>the car and we're right behind him, and I'm following him,

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<v Speaker 1>and my wife is dying. My god, he's right there

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<v Speaker 1>and red light. We go next to him. He's not looking.

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<v Speaker 1>Honk the horney looking the next one. Red light again,

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped. I rolled away. Heyl, come on, look at us.

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<v Speaker 1>He smiles, he looks. I said, my wife just wants

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<v Speaker 1>to give you a kiss. She loves you, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what? Okay, next light, if it's red. We

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<v Speaker 1>got a deal, and it was red, and he jumped

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<v Speaker 1>out of the car. She hugged him, she kissed him.

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<v Speaker 1>Just just what life. The nero doesn't do that shit.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not that guy. Paccino was like, whatever you want,

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<v Speaker 1>so great, And you know I mentioned uh a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of you. Some of you said, you know, I love

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<v Speaker 1>what you talked about living with that ache. What it

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<v Speaker 1>means to have an ache in your heart for someone

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<v Speaker 1>you love who's gone. And it's really important to live

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<v Speaker 1>with those aches. You just can't act like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay, it's actually preferable for you to be in

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<v Speaker 1>pain because you lost a loved one. Well, why would

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<v Speaker 1>you want to be regular? Why would you want to

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<v Speaker 1>walk and get over your day like nothing happened. No,

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<v Speaker 1>that says nothing to them. You want to be there

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<v Speaker 1>for this spirit, their soul, what they gave you. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to be hurt. It's okay, I've given I've given Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>Osbond a lot of shit because of her weight and

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like, you know, zampig plus drugs. And she

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<v Speaker 1>keeps saying my dad, and I'm so depressed of my dad,

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<v Speaker 1>And I start to feel bad for him, Like why

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<v Speaker 1>am I talking shit about it? You know, her father

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<v Speaker 1>did die and he was a legend, and yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that's fucking at his little girl. Of course, he's

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<v Speaker 1>bigger than bigger than anything. Yeah, she's gonna be fucked

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<v Speaker 1>up for a while, you know. And she wrote or

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<v Speaker 1>said this to somebody that just exactly what I said

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<v Speaker 1>the other day. I lived with that ache. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be in pain. I want to feel in pain

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<v Speaker 1>because my father's gone. That's what he's old. I just

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<v Speaker 1>said this. Now I'm crazy about Kelly as one. Although

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<v Speaker 1>I did love the picture of her the lavender hair.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought she was so fucking pretty. I'm like, God, damn, Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a while ago. But now she just just

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<v Speaker 1>like she's, you know, an old lady in a wig.

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<v Speaker 1>That's too big, and her fucking face is thin, her

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<v Speaker 1>body's shrunken. Uh, you know, sad. We all go through shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to say a few more things, but I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't say yesterday that are funny, And into the show

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, I should have said that. I should

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<v Speaker 1>have said this. When we used to go fishing, I

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<v Speaker 1>caught a couple of fluke and he had so many hooks,

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<v Speaker 1>five six hooks with different bait, and my father hated it.

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<v Speaker 1>My father would say, there he goes the fucking Puerto

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<v Speaker 1>Rican rig. Go ahead, jack throw the fucking Puerto Rican rigging.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you gonna get? And then Jackie started doing

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<v Speaker 1>the Puerto Rican rig. It was like a thing you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna we control, or you want to just throw a

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<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rican rig, Let's just do a Puerto Rican ring.

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<v Speaker 1>It became a thing like it's completely acceptable, not umbrella rig,

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<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rican rig. This is what we did. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a great fisherman, and Frankie was Frankie is

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<v Speaker 1>a great fisherman. We were together a few summers ago

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<v Speaker 1>at Long Island and when a party built the three

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<v Speaker 1>of us, and it was a great time. I hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>seen him and we got together, weren't fishing at six

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<v Speaker 1>am on a party boat, and Frankie won the pool.

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<v Speaker 1>We got the biggest fluke. And there's some things don't change,

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<v Speaker 1>but to hear the seagulls and to smell the water

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<v Speaker 1>and the bait, and it was good to be back

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<v Speaker 1>on the isle and remember that the sights and sounds,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to go back. I just I can't

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<v Speaker 1>believe what New York has become. I can't believe the

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<v Speaker 1>primaries yesterday, all these fucking Muslim socialist motherfuckers who are

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<v Speaker 1>now running New York or I can't believe what I'm seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm really, I really feel bad, like you this

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<v Speaker 1>What else can we say? You've got to fight. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't just keep taking this. I was talking to Michael, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael's a proud Jew, okay, and he's like, Aj, you

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea. It's really fucking scary, Like everything is

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<v Speaker 1>that people were in a kafea and you can't talk

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<v Speaker 1>about your being Jewish, can't. It's fucking hunting season. I'm like, Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe this shit. What happened? To New York.

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<v Speaker 1>It's over. Uh. Yeah. The Puerto Rican rig was great.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember one day, just to give you a

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<v Speaker 1>fishing story. We're out under the bridge, right. We used

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<v Speaker 1>to go crab it under the bridge with the lights

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<v Speaker 1>and flashlights, and us and another fucking one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty boats were doing the same thing, driving in and

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<v Speaker 1>out of pilings, looking for blue cloth crabs on top

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<v Speaker 1>the flashlight. It was great. We used to fill a

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<v Speaker 1>whole garbage can full of crabs. Crazy, crazy, Oh, it

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<v Speaker 1>was so good. And you know, we poured them in

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<v Speaker 1>the sink. They'd fall of the sink, they beat them

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<v Speaker 1>the floor, they'd run away sideways. You'd find one under

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<v Speaker 1>the couch, you know, they just it was so plentyful

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<v Speaker 1>back then. The ocean, the bay provided, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I provided. And we're under the bridge one night, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Frankie Jack sees at the bottom at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>sees a fluke. He sees this big we'll call him dormat.

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<v Speaker 1>little spots on his body. It's right there. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>the water and he scoops it up, and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>it to this day. It was half in the net,

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<v Speaker 1>half not and he threw it backwards and it hit

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<v Speaker 1>Frankie's head and went in the bucket. I'll never forget it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget it. Like what a big fluke. And

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<v Speaker 1>we you know, bread it and batter it. Fluke and

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<v Speaker 1>flounder was so great. What a great food, kids, all flounder.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, bread and flounder was like easy to cook.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like fish and chips. We had a ball. We

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<v Speaker 1>had a ball and you know, I wrote this in

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<v Speaker 1>about I think it was Sayville, nice nice town on

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<v Speaker 1>or one day, you know, the private canal. Get out

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<v Speaker 1>that all these signs you can't stay here a lot

404
00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:44.559
<v Speaker 1>of shit. We're going to a private canal. We're fishing,

405
00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and there's crabs on the dock and we're scooping crabs up.

406
00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:50.960
<v Speaker 1>It was like, oh my god, there's so plentiful Jesus Christ,

407
00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:54.839
<v Speaker 1>Like no one's touched this area and we're going bananas,

408
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:59.680
<v Speaker 1>fishing nets, the whole thing. A lady comes out sitting

409
00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>on a golf car, motorized golf cart, a big sun hat,

410
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:08.079
<v Speaker 1>talking katvarin hepburn type. Hello, what are you doing on

411
00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:12.039
<v Speaker 1>my prock buty here? That kind of shit and I'm sorry,

412
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:14.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, we didn't know we got lost. Well, you

413
00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:17.759
<v Speaker 1>can't be here, like it's very stern, you know, like

414
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:21.119
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and ten pounds stern woman with the lipstick

415
00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:24.640
<v Speaker 1>of the sun hat. And she had money, she had means.

416
00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:27.200
<v Speaker 1>But you know she's on the golf cart but she

417
00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:31.640
<v Speaker 1>was protecting her fucking property. You can't be here, all right,

418
00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:35.960
<v Speaker 1>you know. Sorry, hun, my name is al Benz. Well,

419
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't care much about knowing you, but you can't

420
00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:42.279
<v Speaker 1>that kind of shit. Bad woman. Right, what's my father

421
00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:45.559
<v Speaker 1>doing next week? Let's go back to that canal dag

422
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:50.839
<v Speaker 1>She's gonna not just we'll go back now. We had

423
00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:55.599
<v Speaker 1>made dinner, he'd we got some clams that day, so

424
00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:58.599
<v Speaker 1>he had some clams. He I think it was like

425
00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:02.680
<v Speaker 1>a Linguinian clam saw and he puts it on the boat,

426
00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:06.400
<v Speaker 1>me and him Jack Frankie. I don't think Joey was

427
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:09.119
<v Speaker 1>even Joy might have been a baby. And we take

428
00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.119
<v Speaker 1>that right again to Saville and we're going down to

429
00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:13.000
<v Speaker 1>the canal and I'm nervous, like, oh, this is gonna

430
00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:17.480
<v Speaker 1>be so fucking bad, and and my father starts telling

431
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:19.200
<v Speaker 1>her name out. She did tell us her name was

432
00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Julia Thorne, Okay, some kind of famous woman in Loyle,

433
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:26.759
<v Speaker 1>and you know, grew up with money. I don't know

434
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:29.559
<v Speaker 1>if it was our husband, I forget, but she had,

435
00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:34.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, that heft about. I've lived well and I'm

436
00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:37.720
<v Speaker 1>in my golf cart. You're in my fucking property. And

437
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:42.319
<v Speaker 1>he goes down that canal and he says, Julia Thorn,

438
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:46.079
<v Speaker 1>where's my girl, Julia Thorne, you know, just flirting with

439
00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:50.160
<v Speaker 1>her loudly. Come out, come out, Julia, come out. You

440
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:54.319
<v Speaker 1>know here it comes to golf cart. What are you

441
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:57.519
<v Speaker 1>doing back here? Like? I'm sure she didn't sound just

442
00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:01.079
<v Speaker 1>like Kathay Epper, but that's how I picked sure. Why

443
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:05.640
<v Speaker 1>are you here again? Julia? I felt bad, and we

444
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:07.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, we now we're like taking the boat to

445
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the dock, like so she's right next to us. He goes,

446
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:13.119
<v Speaker 1>I felt bad. We didn't know where we were going.

447
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:16.039
<v Speaker 1>And I don't want you to think we're intruding. My

448
00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:19.440
<v Speaker 1>wife made a nice, nice clam sauce. I'd like you

449
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:21.440
<v Speaker 1>to have it. I'll come back for the for the dish,

450
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:24.279
<v Speaker 1>and you know next week. How do I know you

451
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:27.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't poison this food. I didn't poison it. I want

452
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:31.799
<v Speaker 1>you to taste what we caught, please miss thorn Julia

453
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:37.240
<v Speaker 1>ah right, you know. And then ever since then, every

454
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.880
<v Speaker 1>time we wanted to go there, she would come out

455
00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:43.519
<v Speaker 1>with that golf card, golf fish more have fun boys.

456
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:48.519
<v Speaker 1>She loved it, she loved us. I told Mike about it.

457
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:50.759
<v Speaker 1>He goes, what were you doing in saved? I don't know.

458
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:53.160
<v Speaker 1>It just we made a left and my father just

459
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:56.640
<v Speaker 1>found this canal. It was I can't even describe it.

460
00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>It was a hidden little spot and I've told you

461
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:03.400
<v Speaker 1>about that beautiful that. I mean, it was like it

462
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:07.519
<v Speaker 1>was like a dream. There was a little spot in

463
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:12.759
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the bay, okay, and it was in

464
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:18.319
<v Speaker 1>like off the channel, and I can't you know, the

465
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:21.319
<v Speaker 1>water got low with low tides, so you were able

466
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:24.319
<v Speaker 1>to walk the boat there and walk and you see

467
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:28.240
<v Speaker 1>there was like a wooden diving board, and and when

468
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:30.720
<v Speaker 1>you dove in the water, the water was deep. It

469
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:33.039
<v Speaker 1>was the bay, but it was a but it was

470
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:37.079
<v Speaker 1>separated by rocks. I can't even explain how magical this

471
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:40.599
<v Speaker 1>place was, to the point where we would go there

472
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:44.319
<v Speaker 1>with masks and snorkels and we would see sea horses

473
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:47.519
<v Speaker 1>and oct thepus things you don't see in the Great

474
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:49.920
<v Speaker 1>South Bay. Then they belong in the ocean, and we

475
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:53.039
<v Speaker 1>would go, oh, my starfish. We'd take them back home

476
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:56.839
<v Speaker 1>to the pool. You know. It was like magical. It

477
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.359
<v Speaker 1>wasn't about fishing. It was just about let's go to

478
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:01.759
<v Speaker 1>the fishing hall. Let's jump off the diving board, let's

479
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:04.720
<v Speaker 1>take the snorkel, let's see some beautiful fish. It was

480
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:10.519
<v Speaker 1>like Jacques Cousteau. It was amazing. And I told Mike,

481
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:13.359
<v Speaker 1>he's I don't think I don't think I've ever been that. Oh, Mike,

482
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.640
<v Speaker 1>it was so great. Bro what a beautiful spot that

483
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:19.359
<v Speaker 1>they that they found, you know, my father and Jack found.

484
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>And anyway, I'm getting off the subject. I know I

485
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.680
<v Speaker 1>was gonna talk more about Jack, But I like the

486
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rican Riggs. And I want to say one more

487
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:32.759
<v Speaker 1>thing that I think is not important, but add some

488
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Speaker 1>element and some flavor to his life. You know, Jack

489
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.920
<v Speaker 1>was working as a physical education teacher, gym teacher, and

490
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:45.720
<v Speaker 1>a coach up at you know, uh west Chester County,

491
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:48.559
<v Speaker 1>an hour and a half north of New York. Uh

492
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:54.599
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was primarily a black school, Tuckahoe High School.

493
00:29:55.200 --> 00:30:00.079
<v Speaker 1>And you know, he was in with black culture all

494
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:04.279
<v Speaker 1>the time. And he got me into black culture because

495
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>I would go to see him coach his games and

496
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:09.079
<v Speaker 1>all the players were black, and they had the afros

497
00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and the picks in their fucking head and they could

498
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:15.680
<v Speaker 1>dunk in ninth, ninth, and tenth grade. I couldn't believe it.

499
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.079
<v Speaker 1>I was watching. And then like Saturdays, he drive me

500
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>up there. We do something he started called Dad's Club

501
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:24.359
<v Speaker 1>where he opened the gym up for fathers and their

502
00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:27.119
<v Speaker 1>little sons. And every father was there with their boy

503
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:31.480
<v Speaker 1>and we do pickup games, just really good stuff. And

504
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, ah, this is great. And you know because

505
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:38.039
<v Speaker 1>of that, I learned about you know, soul train and

506
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, the music that his players would walk out to.

507
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>He comes the Express. Listen to BT Express, listen to that,

508
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:53.359
<v Speaker 1>listen to you know. I know Trump took the money money, money, money, eh,

509
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.079
<v Speaker 1>but Jack was playing there for his boys way back

510
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:59.680
<v Speaker 1>in his seventies. Rubber band man. I mean it was

511
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:02.799
<v Speaker 1>just like I couldn't get enough of this culture. Fuck.

512
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Look at these guys that the heads are over the rim.

513
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.640
<v Speaker 1>This is me. They had nicknamed Booger's Henderson Lee the Hawk,

514
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Like I didn't know this. White guys didn't have these.

515
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:19.319
<v Speaker 1>I was enthralled. Take me there, let's go. I'm gonna

516
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.119
<v Speaker 1>see these guys. And they liked me, and I began

517
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.319
<v Speaker 1>to play with them, and I developed the flavor as well.

518
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:27.160
<v Speaker 1>And that's a big reason why I didn't mesh with

519
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.960
<v Speaker 1>the west Ice look way of playing basketball and bounce

520
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:34.440
<v Speaker 1>passes and you know, set shots and all this nonsense.

521
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking to do finger rolls and fucking beyond my

522
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:42.640
<v Speaker 1>back and you know it just Mike straight laced, six

523
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.039
<v Speaker 1>foot five inch coach from Oklahoma, mister Smith didn't want that.

524
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.200
<v Speaker 1>And I would play with Jack on the on my driveway.

525
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:53.319
<v Speaker 1>He put up the court, he put he put the

526
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:57.079
<v Speaker 1>backboard up and nailed it to the roof. It was

527
00:31:57.160 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 1>just you know, Jack did it. My father was busy

528
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.200
<v Speaker 1>working and put the corner. But we'd always shoot baskets

529
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.599
<v Speaker 1>and I'm talking rain snow. I was always out there.

530
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I didn't matter. I would wash the ball in the

531
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:12.480
<v Speaker 1>bathtub because it was dirty. I love basketball, I still do,

532
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:16.279
<v Speaker 1>but to me, it was like a religion. Just keep shooting.

533
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:20.079
<v Speaker 1>And Jack would come out and say he would do

534
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:22.119
<v Speaker 1>this thing where he'd stake foul shots and I would

535
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.079
<v Speaker 1>just rebound and he'd say, let's play feet the coach.

536
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:27.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm the coach. You just get my rebound and you

537
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:29.599
<v Speaker 1>throw me the ball. And I'm talking like an hour

538
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.279
<v Speaker 1>of getting rebounds and throwing back to him at the

539
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:36.319
<v Speaker 1>foul line and he's shooting it. And he would tell me,

540
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, like i'd play him one on one. I

541
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:41.759
<v Speaker 1>would do like a finger roll or he's like, stop,

542
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:43.960
<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna do that. You're not gonna be six

543
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>foot five. Ah, you might be six foot You want

544
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:48.839
<v Speaker 1>to do a double clutch, you want to do a

545
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:53.240
<v Speaker 1>fade away, be like Clyde, be like Earla, pearlman Roe, Pistol,

546
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Pete Maravich. You're never gonna get over the rim, so

547
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>don't do that okay, you know, and we'd play one

548
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:02.319
<v Speaker 1>on one and when I was good, I told you,

549
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:03.799
<v Speaker 1>you'd say, you know, you're not as good as your

550
00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:05.200
<v Speaker 1>best day, You're not as bad as your worst that

551
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:09.480
<v Speaker 1>you're in the middle, and you know I was. It

552
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:11.839
<v Speaker 1>was just I remember the day I beat him. I

553
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:13.920
<v Speaker 1>never wanted to play him again, because once you beat

554
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:16.359
<v Speaker 1>your hero, you just don't want to do it again.

555
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>You don't want to see it. Not that he was mad,

556
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.279
<v Speaker 1>I just knew, like this is a new chapter in life.

557
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:29.200
<v Speaker 1>I just beat him. Fuck, you know, thirty three minutes in.

558
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:31.319
<v Speaker 1>I think this week is a crazy week, you know.

559
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:34.640
<v Speaker 1>I just my mind is racing. There's so many things

560
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:38.640
<v Speaker 1>going through my head. And I'm sorry if I you know,

561
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:42.880
<v Speaker 1>if I rush over things. And maybe you don't think

562
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:45.079
<v Speaker 1>it's the greatest show. I don't know. I just that

563
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:49.000
<v Speaker 1>this is a monumental moment in my life. We knew

564
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.720
<v Speaker 1>it was coming, and I always want to honor that

565
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:55.119
<v Speaker 1>for him, and you know, nothing's going to change that.

566
00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:57.440
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it might be the next couple of days

567
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:01.400
<v Speaker 1>I do the same shit. I hate to tell you,

568
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, it just you lose somebody that's been in

569
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.119
<v Speaker 1>your life since you're five years old. They deserve more

570
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:11.000
<v Speaker 1>than thirty minutes, you know what I mean. But thank

571
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>you all for the well wishers and the calls and

572
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:16.239
<v Speaker 1>the direct messages and everything. You've been great the texts.

573
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm so lucky. I'm so lucky. And I

574
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:25.079
<v Speaker 1>know sometimes you don't know how lucky were on until

575
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:32.440
<v Speaker 1>life gets really tough and bad and confusing. But I

576
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:35.039
<v Speaker 1>always know I'm lucky because of you guys. So I

577
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.320
<v Speaker 1>love you, I love you all. I love you's all,

578
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:43.480
<v Speaker 1>as Roslie would say, I love you is all. But

579
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:47.199
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk tomorrow, all right. Thank you for letting me

580
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:51.320
<v Speaker 1>go on this memory lane kind of shit. It's just

581
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:53.159
<v Speaker 1>the way I gotta do it. It's just the way.

582
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:56.199
<v Speaker 1>It's got a playout game. We'll get back to Britney

583
00:34:56.239 --> 00:35:00.199
<v Speaker 1>Spears and Tom Hardy and Paris Hilton w it was

584
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:03.800
<v Speaker 1>a ship. Talk to yet. Talk to you tomorrow
