Speaker 1: Okay, opening line when you walk out there, I mean
Speaker 1: I I was wondering what you were going to say.
Speaker 2: So I hear you go, I hear.
Speaker 3: You know, I see the video and you go up
Speaker 3: there and you go.
Speaker 4: As I was saying, the crowd goes under the dark, huh.
Speaker 2: They would I would say crazy.
Speaker 5: And as I was saying, hero, villain, savior, the devil.
Speaker 6: It's so interesting how people are perceiving the world around them.
Speaker 6: And I've noticed this very starkly over the past four
Speaker 6: years that I've been doing the show. It probably started earlier.
Speaker 6: In fact, I'm sure it did, but it became incredibly
Speaker 6: obvious to me and probably to you, whether or not
Speaker 6: you've thought about this deeply on your own, or if
Speaker 6: this is just kind of a subconscious perk of thought
Speaker 6: that you've been dealing with, but I'm sure in your
Speaker 6: conversations with family members people at work, you've noticed that
Speaker 6: there is a distinct divide between our perceptions. This is
Speaker 6: not an original concept by me. I know other people
Speaker 6: have talked about it, but I've been calling it the
Speaker 6: two worlds phenomenon. Other people call it like the two
Speaker 6: movies one screen. I think is what Scott says about
Speaker 6: Scott Adams. Whatever the phrase is that you want to
Speaker 6: put on it, I think that it's obviously happening, and
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of reasons as to why.
Speaker 6: But just to give you some examples, the reason I
Speaker 6: played that Trump clip to start us off is that
Speaker 6: when you watch the blood streaming down his face and
Speaker 6: him pumping his fist and surviving an assassination attempt, like,
Speaker 6: the obvious takeaway from most people is whether you like
Speaker 6: Trump or not, that was a pretty incredible moment, pretty
Speaker 6: heroic even, And I tend to believe that had Joe
Speaker 6: Biden done the same thing, or Barack Obama done the
Speaker 6: same thing, or Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris or Bill Clinton,
Speaker 6: I would have had the same reaction that like, Wow,
Speaker 6: what a courageous figure under fire to respond in that way.
Speaker 6: But a lot of people don't see it that way,
Speaker 6: you know, or they don't see it at all. And
Speaker 6: I think that that's actually the underlying driving force behind
Speaker 6: the two worlds phenomena is that our media system, or
Speaker 6: our ecosystem of media are so totally divided in that
Speaker 6: if you are a Trump supporter or if you're just
Speaker 6: in the like independent media space. You've seen footage of
Speaker 6: that attack multiple times and his response in these edits
Speaker 6: that get speculated. But if you're a MSNBC viewer, you've
Speaker 6: probably seen it once on day of the attack and
Speaker 6: maybe never since then. And I think because of that,
Speaker 6: that's how you start to see the two worlds. Just
Speaker 6: to give you an example of what I'm talking about,
Speaker 6: safe and effective versus useless and or dangerous, right, I
Speaker 6: won't elaborate fautch she is a hero or he's a villain.
Speaker 6: Jay six was an insurrection, an attempt to overthrow the government,
Speaker 6: or it was a protest that got out of hand.
Speaker 6: Russia invaded for no reason. I can't believe it. Why
Speaker 6: would they do such a terrible thing. And Ukraine is
Speaker 6: simply defending their democracy. It's as simple as that. And
Speaker 6: NATO is just lending assistance to an ally. Or it's
Speaker 6: not really any of our business and we probably ought
Speaker 6: to not be funding it.
Speaker 3: As I said earlier, Trump is the devil or he's our.
Speaker 6: Savior or Kamala crushed on Fox News last night against
Speaker 6: Brettbair or her campaign is over. That was a disastrous performance,
Speaker 6: arguably the worst sit down interview from a politician I
Speaker 6: have seen in my lifetime. Wrap it up, send her
Speaker 6: back to wherever she came from. It's done. This is
Speaker 6: what inspired me to want to do this episode and
Speaker 6: to have this conversation, is that watching the interview and
Speaker 6: seeing the polar opposite reactions is mind bending. It's only
Speaker 6: a twenty seven minute interview, and I'm not going to
Speaker 6: play you the entire interview because I don't want to
Speaker 6: pain you like that. I'm sure most of you have
Speaker 6: already seen it. If you haven't, you can go check
Speaker 6: it out on Fox News. It was bad, I mean
Speaker 6: zero substance. She's just in over her head. It's so
Speaker 6: obvious that she's not prepared, she's not equipped for this role.
Speaker 6: To envision her struggling as much as she did with
Speaker 6: Brett Baer, and then to contrast that with her having
Speaker 6: to negotiate peace between I don't know Hamas's leadership, which
Speaker 6: I guess will be changing as the leader was taken
Speaker 6: out today or net Yahoo or Putin Orji or whatever
Speaker 6: foreign political leader. It's just like, she obviously can't do
Speaker 6: this job. And I think that that's what most people
Speaker 6: watching that interview take away from it, is like she
Speaker 6: has nothing. She ran for president in twenty twenty, then
Speaker 6: was the vice president, and then again ran for president
Speaker 6: for the past two months, and yet she still can't
Speaker 6: come up with She still can't concoct anything aside from
Speaker 6: BA but Trump. That's it. That's all she's got. She's
Speaker 6: been essentially running against Donald Trump for five straight years
Speaker 6: and that's all she has. There's nothing material aside from
Speaker 6: I Am not Donald Trump. And here's the reason that
Speaker 6: they're taking that tactic because it might work. Because people
Speaker 6: are so unbelievably propagandazed to believe that this guy is
Speaker 6: a fascist in waiting dictator at YadA YadA yah. It's
Speaker 6: gonna shudder and destroy and shred the constitution. That's all
Speaker 6: they need to hear. That's all they want to hear
Speaker 6: from many people, millions, tens of millions of people, that's
Speaker 6: all they want to hear. She's not Trump. She doesn't
Speaker 6: have to have any substance to her arguments or to
Speaker 6: her counter arguments. She just has to not be him,
Speaker 6: and she tried to make that incredibly clear. Let's tell
Speaker 6: you a superclip of her doing exactly that. You'll get,
Speaker 6: I mean, without watching the entire twenty seven minute interview.
Speaker 6: This tells you just about all you need to know
Speaker 6: about how it went.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm going to talk about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're just a number. Do you think it's
Speaker 3: one million?
Speaker 5: Three million?
Speaker 7: But let's just get to the point.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump voted, So are you still in support of
Speaker 1: using taxpayer dollars to help prison inmates or detain the
Speaker 1: llegal aliens to transition to another gender.
Speaker 7: I will follow the law, and it's a law that
Speaker 7: Donald Trump actually followed. Donald Trump's administration Trump campaign, well,
Speaker 7: take responsible for what happened in your administration. You think
Speaker 7: Donald Trump turning the page from the last decade in
Speaker 7: which we have been burdened with the kind of rhetoric
Speaker 7: coming from Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: You've been in office for three and a half years.
Speaker 7: And Donald Trump has been running for office. The former
Speaker 7: chief of staff to the President Donald Trump. And in fact,
Speaker 7: if you listen to Donald Trump, if you watch any
Speaker 7: of his rallies, he's the one who tends to demean unstable.
Speaker 7: He is Unstable's let me ask you this, and you
Speaker 7: told many of the interviewers Joe Biden is not on
Speaker 7: the ballot. I understand Donald Trump, Donald Trump, but you
Speaker 7: talked about it.
Speaker 1: In a few minutes of talking to President Biden on
Speaker 1: the debate.
Speaker 7: Stag is on the ballot.
Speaker 1: I understand you met with him at least once a
Speaker 1: week for three and a half years. You didn't have
Speaker 1: any concerns.
Speaker 7: I think the American people have a concern about Donald
Speaker 7: Trump or critics.
Speaker 1: Just say that you either relaxed or failed to enforce
Speaker 1: sanctions on Iran, allowing all of this money to flow
Speaker 1: into Iran, like.
Speaker 7: Bill and let's go back to Donald Trump and Donald
Speaker 7: Trump not to mention how Donald Trump has all of
Speaker 7: this money, has treated and talked about America's military and
Speaker 7: military service people.
Speaker 2: And losers.
Speaker 1: Vice President, they're wrapping me very hard here. I hope
Speaker 1: you got to say what she wanted to say about
Speaker 1: Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of things.
Speaker 1: And Vice president and they're giving me a hard right.
Speaker 7: Well, I thank you for the time.
Speaker 3: Thank you for the time, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 6: When you're running against a caricature of the apex of evil,
Speaker 6: which is what to millions of Americans Donald Trump has
Speaker 6: become thanks to the media, you don't have to actually
Speaker 6: have substance to your counter arguments. You literally just have
Speaker 6: to not be him. The primary takeaway I would have
Speaker 6: for you guys is that it's not just that there's
Speaker 6: two worlds, but in fact there's three. Because as much
Speaker 6: as I more readily align myself with the MAGA world view,
Speaker 6: because I certainly don't align myself with the Democrat worldview,
Speaker 6: I think that the MAGA worldview also gets things wrong,
Speaker 6: a lot of things wrong. For instance, I don't think
Speaker 6: Donald Trump is our savior. I think that he is
Speaker 6: a preferable option to Kamala Harris, but again, that's an
Speaker 6: extraordinarily low bar. I do think that basically what we've
Speaker 6: witnessed is because so many people have been lied to
Speaker 6: so consistently, and they're so polarized, oftentimes the nuance which
Speaker 6: happens to encompass the truth is left to the wayside.
Speaker 6: For example, is Fauci a hero or is he the devil? Well,
Speaker 6: because of this show and the deep dive I've done
Speaker 6: on him, you know where I lean. But here's a
Speaker 6: better example.
Speaker 3: J six.
Speaker 6: J six is not either an insurrection or a protest
Speaker 6: that got out of hand. Now, many in the MAGA
Speaker 6: world will already know about this, but a lot of
Speaker 6: you probably are unfamiliar, But there was a pipe bomb
Speaker 6: that was planted outside of Kamala Harris's office or where
Speaker 6: she was that day, and we still don't have answers
Speaker 6: as to what went down there. Pretty fascinating, right, How
Speaker 6: is that possible? How would such an enormous news event
Speaker 6: not have the details about that? Seems pretty unbelievable, to
Speaker 6: be honest. There were also a plane closed police officers
Speaker 6: that were in the crowd that day. We don't have
Speaker 6: direct answers as of yet as to how many FBI
Speaker 6: agents or informants were on the ground that day, but
Speaker 6: we do know that there was plain closed police officers
Speaker 6: that were shouting go into the Capitol or something to
Speaker 6: that effect. They were encouraging people to move ahead, which
Speaker 6: is not what you would want to see undercover law
Speaker 6: enforcement doing if their actual intention is to turn down
Speaker 6: the temperature as opposed to turning it up. So you
Speaker 6: have the pipe bomber that we don't know who it was.
Speaker 6: We've got Grandma's and everybody else that was just anywhere
Speaker 6: in the perimeter that day serving hard jail time, not
Speaker 6: all of them, but a huge, huge number of them,
Speaker 6: like over a thousand, and then you have a guy
Speaker 6: who allegedly planted a bomb, and we don't know who
Speaker 6: that is almost four years later, still no clue. If
Speaker 6: you think that's just an oversight, come on, they got
Speaker 6: everybody else, not that one guy.
Speaker 3: So what does that tell you?
Speaker 6: You got these plane codes, cops, you got an untold
Speaker 6: number of FBI agents or informants that are involved in
Speaker 6: that day, and then you also have the pipe bomber
Speaker 6: who gets away scott free. Everybody else gets busted, not
Speaker 6: him though or her. It's a him. Well, what it
Speaker 6: tells you is that there is some nuance here that
Speaker 6: in fact, you know, people describe it as a FED surrection.
Speaker 6: I don't think it was that either. I think it
Speaker 6: was a genuine event in that there were tens of
Speaker 6: thousands of people that arrived in the Capitol that day
Speaker 6: to hear Donald Trump speak, and then a few thousand
Speaker 6: of them, I don't know the exact number marched over
Speaker 6: after Trump spoke, and he did tell them to march
Speaker 6: or protest peacefully and patriotically. They didn't, but they got
Speaker 6: there and there was a lot of provocation from the
Speaker 6: Capitol police. There was flashbangs and things of that nature
Speaker 6: that were being shot at them when you already have
Speaker 6: a group of people who are protesting because they believe
Speaker 6: that the election wasn't legitimate, Well, if you don't want
Speaker 6: to antagonize them, right like, you'd like to see them
Speaker 6: protest peacefully and then go home, if that's your actual goal.
Speaker 6: So a lot of people have concluded, given the all
Speaker 6: of the details of weirdness that I've already laid out
Speaker 6: with that day, that perhaps the goal was not to
Speaker 6: turn down the temperature, but in fact they wanted to
Speaker 6: have something that was not just damning against Donald Trump,
Speaker 6: but more broadly against his supporters.
Speaker 3: And they got it, and.
Speaker 6: It has been utilized to not just persecute, but literally
Speaker 6: prosecute a huge number of his supporters and also make
Speaker 6: it so that not just Trump supporters, but everybody now
Speaker 6: feels kind of a chill when it comes to protests
Speaker 6: in this country, that we don't know when things might
Speaker 6: get out of hand and if we might go to
Speaker 6: jail because some crazy person that I'm protesting with does
Speaker 6: something crazy, or so I'm under undercover agent does something crazy,
Speaker 6: and that keeps me from showing up to the Capitol
Speaker 6: that day. Like I talk to people about this all
Speaker 6: the time. I was just in DC to do in
Speaker 6: the Damn War's rally and the Rescue the West rally,
Speaker 6: and I can't tell you how many people were like, Clint,
Speaker 6: don't go, like they're gonna try and set you guys up.
Speaker 6: I appreciate the caution, and I'm totally aware of the
Speaker 6: risks here, but it's like, I'm an American and I
Speaker 6: have to be able to protest and if I see
Speaker 6: anything weird at all, all bail out asap. But like,
Speaker 6: you can't live that way if we're already the point
Speaker 6: that we can't go out and literally peacefully protest, which
Speaker 6: is what we were doing, Like we're toast, We're totally screwed.
Speaker 3: It's over so anyways.
Speaker 6: But the point is, I understand why people are so nervous,
Speaker 6: and they're right to be. Now, these are the people
Speaker 6: that are more aware of what transpired on j six,
Speaker 6: and they're more privy to this nuanced gray area in between,
Speaker 6: which I like to call the truth of that day.
Speaker 6: But my point is is that the binary worldview of
Speaker 6: protests that got out of hand or they tried to
Speaker 6: throw overthrow the government, neither neither side is right, and
Speaker 6: the same applies to Donald Trump. Maybe not Anthony Fauci,
Speaker 6: he's actually maybe completely evil. Yeah, he's totally egal all right. Uh,
Speaker 6: that's a good one. But uh, then the gray of
Speaker 6: Russia Ukraine for instance, also known as the truth, is that,
Speaker 6: in fact, the US State Department was provoking heavily for
Speaker 6: over a decade to make that war come to pass.
Speaker 6: So it's not enough to just say, well, we disagree
Speaker 6: with the Democrats. Their their worldview is nuts. That oh
Speaker 6: just unprovoked invasion by Russia into Ukraine, and in fact
Speaker 6: it's just because he's a dictator and he wants to
Speaker 6: overthrow the democratic system of Ukraine, and you know, Ukraine
Speaker 6: is great and they ought to be out of to
Speaker 6: NATO and blah blah like. It's obviously detached from reality
Speaker 6: on so many levels. But it's also detached from reality
Speaker 6: to just say, even though it's okay to have this perspective,
Speaker 6: but it is not. It is not a thorough analysis
Speaker 6: by any stretch of the imagination, to just say I
Speaker 6: don't think we should be involved, I don't think we
Speaker 6: should be funding it. Well, that's fine, it's fine to
Speaker 6: say that, and in fact I would prefer you say that,
Speaker 6: But the reality is we have been funding it for years,
Speaker 6: many many years prior to the invasion, and we've had
Speaker 6: CIA agents that were training Ukrainian defense forces on the
Speaker 6: ground there long before Russia ever invaded. We had midn Revolution,
Speaker 6: you have Victoria Nolan, you have John McCain and Lindsey
Speaker 6: Graham on the ground talking about how we're going to
Speaker 6: take it to Russia next year. That was twenty eighteen.
Speaker 6: The invasion doesn't come for three years later. So obviously
Speaker 6: there's a lot to this story that the general public
Speaker 6: is not privy to. But the point is it's again
Speaker 6: it's the in between where the truth lies. And unfortunately,
Speaker 6: yes it's often described as conspiracy theorizing, which I don't
Speaker 6: think it is. I think it's actually just analyzing and
Speaker 6: getting to the bottom of it. But my point is
Speaker 6: is that the two world's phenomenon does not encompass the
Speaker 6: truth in that regard. Again, I do think that the
Speaker 6: Trump Maga America first worldview is closer to the right answer,
Speaker 6: but it's not all encompassing of what's actually transpiring. The
Speaker 6: sad thing, if you ever talked to any relatives about
Speaker 6: this stuff like try and I'm sure you do this already.
Speaker 6: But if you don't, if you've totally given up, try
Speaker 6: and talk to one of your relatives, your aunt, your mom,
Speaker 6: your dad, your grandma, whatever, and if they have different
Speaker 6: political perspectives from you, and ask them what they thought
Speaker 6: about the Kamala Harrison interview. What's amazing is that a
Speaker 6: huge percentage of them, particularly if they are Democrats or
Speaker 6: Democrat voters, because they're mortified of Donald Trump, they will
Speaker 6: tell you a lot of them sincerely, that she did great,
Speaker 6: that she went into the lions Den, that she girl bossed,
Speaker 6: that she snapped back, that she stood her own, that
Speaker 6: Donald Trump is ducking a second debate with her. Well
Speaker 6: she's willing to go on Fox News. Do you know
Speaker 6: how courageous that is? But here's here's the reality. Their
Speaker 6: bar of expectations have been so lowered by the propaganda
Speaker 6: that they've endured for years and years and years, that
Speaker 6: that's all it takes for them to be impressed. I mean,
Speaker 6: think about what they're coming out of. You have Joe Biden,
Speaker 6: who is a shell of himself, and he was never
Speaker 6: an impressive man to begin with, but let's be honest,
Speaker 6: over the past four years, he deteriorated significantly and very
Speaker 6: rapidly over the past year.
Speaker 3: But they didn't even know that. They didn't even know.
Speaker 6: Because the dutiful media apparatics ran cover for him and
Speaker 6: they said that he's fine and this is a conspiracy,
Speaker 6: and that Joe's doing great, he's sharp as attack. Well,
Speaker 6: now you have the same and because of that, that
Speaker 6: kind of grooming or molding of their minds, well, she
Speaker 6: is at least capable of standing her own you know,
Speaker 6: she didn't stumble over her words like Joe does now,
Speaker 6: keeping in mind she didn't actually have anything of material
Speaker 6: value to say. But it's still an improvement in their
Speaker 6: eyes from the bumbling dotard that is Joe Biden. It's
Speaker 6: breaking them, it's breaking their perception of reality that because
Speaker 6: they accept they accepted such a poor performance for so
Speaker 6: many years from Joe Biden, and they were told that
Speaker 6: they were good and moral and just for doing so.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 6: Now this is obviously acceptable because they were accepting this
Speaker 6: obvious farce for years. So now this is even though
Speaker 6: it's still a farce, it's less of a farce than
Speaker 6: trying to pretend that Joe Biden was sharp as attack.
Speaker 6: You understand, You see how that it's a ratchet like
Speaker 6: it's ratcheting their brains down into accepting nonsense. But if
Speaker 6: you talk to them, they're not lying to you. I
Speaker 6: think that's the thing that's really hard for people to
Speaker 6: accept is that for most of them, they're so mentally
Speaker 6: broken that they honestly believe that Kamala Harris did pretty
Speaker 6: damn good or at least better than Joe And for them,
Speaker 6: that's a win because she did it talking to the
Speaker 6: demons over at Fox News. Again, this is another great
Speaker 6: example of the two worlds phenomenon. Trump Country thinks that
Speaker 6: MSNBC and CNN and all these news channels are evil
Speaker 6: propaganda left as garbage. They're right, by the way, But
Speaker 6: then the left thinks that Fox News is that as well,
Speaker 6: and it's just like it's all in the bag for Trump,
Speaker 6: and it's that's it, that's all there is to it.
Speaker 6: It's just a propagandare here's the reality that's wrong.
Speaker 7: Again.
Speaker 6: Fox News isn't in the bag for Donald Trump. They
Speaker 6: are in the bag of power, and if Trump wins,
Speaker 6: they certainly want to be in his good graces. But
Speaker 6: let's be honest. They called Arizona right away in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: They weren't.
Speaker 6: They weren't running cover for Donald Trump. We're running cover
Speaker 6: for power. So yes, they are controlled opposition, but they
Speaker 6: are not the same thing that CNN and MSNBC are,
Speaker 6: which are just dutiful soldiers for the leftist power structure.
Speaker 6: Fox News is not that they are controlled opposition of
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Speaker 4: Let's say Trump wins three weeks from today, what happens
Speaker 4: the Democratic parties. I mean, as you said, a lot
Speaker 4: of Democrats, maybe the majority, believe that Trump becoming president
Speaker 4: again is the worst thing.
Speaker 2: That ever could happen. Sospond, I say this not flippantly.
Speaker 2: I think it will be the cause of the greatest
Speaker 2: mental health crisis in the history of the country. I don't.
Speaker 2: I think tens of millions of people will question their
Speaker 2: connection to the nation, their connection to other human beings,
Speaker 2: their connection to their vision of what their future for
Speaker 2: them and their children could be like. And I think
Speaker 2: that will be require an enormous amount of access to
Speaker 2: mental health professionals. I think it'll lead to a trauma
Speaker 2: in the workplace. I think there'll be some degree of
Speaker 2: one hundred percent serious, one hundred percent serious. I think
Speaker 2: they'll be alcoholism, they'll be broken marriages, they'll be Yeah,
Speaker 2: they think he's the worst person possible to be president.
Speaker 2: And having won by the hand of Jim Comey and
Speaker 2: fluke in twenty sixteen and then performed in office for
Speaker 2: four years and denied who won the election last time,
Speaker 2: and January sixth, the fact that under a fair election
Speaker 2: America chose by the rules pre agreed to Donald Trump again.
Speaker 2: I think it will cause the biggest mental health crisis
Speaker 2: in the history of America.
Speaker 6: So what does he cite there? All of the things
Speaker 6: that I just laid out right the well, I didn't
Speaker 6: mention the twenty sixteen election where Comy servers information about
Speaker 6: Hillary Clinton may have assisted Donald Trump, so they believe
Speaker 6: that by a fluke. And also, obviously I didn't even
Speaker 6: mention Russian collusion. The whole reason Trump got into twenty
Speaker 6: sixteen is because Vladimir Putin himself was personally assisting him
Speaker 6: with a couple hundred thousand worth of Facebook ads. Set
Speaker 6: that little tid bit aside that was enough to sway it, obviously,
Speaker 6: But then you have j six you have twenty twenty
Speaker 6: and his refusal to accept the outcome of the election,
Speaker 6: and basically insurrection and all of the narratives that I've
Speaker 6: already demonstrated how they are at least somewhat detached from reality,
Speaker 6: if not entirely detached. But his point is well taken.
Speaker 6: In some ways, Tucker was feigning incredulity in that we
Speaker 6: already saw this when Trump won the first time in
Speaker 6: twenty sixteen. You had Beeoble jobed on their knees in tears,
Speaker 6: screaming out to the heavens. How could you have done
Speaker 6: this to me? Of course it's going to happen again
Speaker 6: if he wins. Of course Donald J.
Speaker 1: Trump is now President of the United States.
Speaker 8: President a great arder to be able to introduce, for
Speaker 8: the first time ever anywhere the forty fifth president of
Speaker 8: the United States of America done.
Speaker 6: With, And I might add, because it has been another really,
Speaker 6: it's been another eight years of propaganda kind of molding
Speaker 6: people's minds to believe that he is just this embodiment
Speaker 6: of evil and totalitarianism, that therefore, yes he is, he's
Speaker 6: a bigger threat. He's more of an impediment to my
Speaker 6: lifestyle and my freedom. And for them it's just like
Speaker 6: how many abortions can I get? But whatever, that's their
Speaker 6: freedom from their perspective, So they they they're going to
Speaker 6: react even more off kilter, even more just deranged. And
Speaker 6: the point I wanted to drive home is that, well,
Speaker 6: this is a product of the two worlds phenomenon that
Speaker 6: I think at its core, when people live in a
Speaker 6: way that is detached from the truth, it has a
Speaker 6: way of seeping into your mental health. It's a kind
Speaker 6: of a weird, bold claim, I guess, so I have
Speaker 6: to try and justify why. I think that there's something
Speaker 6: to be said for when you are living in the truth,
Speaker 6: when you are doing good things, when you are not
Speaker 6: having to lie. I think there's a toll that is
Speaker 6: paid when you are living a life of deception. I mean,
Speaker 6: if you look at people who who do something evil,
Speaker 6: criminal or whatever, they hurt somebody, oftentimes they will spiral
Speaker 6: like this is a causation, correlation, causation, you know, argument.
Speaker 6: But oftentimes those people will end up as drug addicts.
Speaker 6: Fathers that leave their kids when they're young, for instance.
Speaker 6: Those guys usually don't go on to have great lives
Speaker 6: right now. You could argue that they left their kids
Speaker 6: behind because they were just broken people to begin with,
Speaker 6: and I'm sure to a certain extent that's true. But
Speaker 6: I also think that there's something about just doing the
Speaker 6: wrong thing and then you are essentially emotionally destroyed over
Speaker 6: it for the remainder of your life, and that's why
Speaker 6: you end up being a drug addict or whatever else.
Speaker 6: Some people are sociopaths, they could just leave their kids
Speaker 6: behind and they have no problem with it. Setting those
Speaker 6: people aside, I'm talking about more normal people that end
Speaker 6: up in that circumstance. So point being, I think that
Speaker 6: because of what I think are active measures, active psychological
Speaker 6: operations that are being ran against the American people. Thanks
Speaker 6: to the fact that during the NDAA Reauthorization twenty twelve
Speaker 6: and the Smith Modernization Act, it's now legal to propagandize
Speaker 6: the American people. I think that because of those measures,
Speaker 6: along with the following year Barack Obama's executive order to
Speaker 6: mandate DEI departments across all federal agencies across the entire
Speaker 6: United States government, I think those two maneuvers have allowed
Speaker 6: for immense propaganda to be levied and way against the
Speaker 6: American people. And because of that, even though if you
Speaker 6: talk to an average Democrat voter or an MSNBC or
Speaker 6: a scene in viewer, they are fairly convinced they are
Speaker 6: functioning with the truth. In fact, they are basically certain
Speaker 6: if they're talking to a Trump supporter in particular, they
Speaker 6: could not be more certain. But there's just something about
Speaker 6: the truth and how it seeps into your orbit and
Speaker 6: if you are functioning under a barrage of lies, like
Speaker 6: if you actually are operating under a deceitful premise, there
Speaker 6: is cognitive dissonance that starts to arise within you, that
Speaker 6: it starts to torture you, that you realize that, like, look,
Speaker 6: i still believe the things I believe, but I'm seeing
Speaker 6: these things that are making me feel like maybe I've
Speaker 6: got some of this wrong.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 6: They may not verbalize that, they may not speak it
Speaker 6: out loud lest they be ostracized, but they still sense it.
Speaker 3: I think that's that's really what we've seen a lot.
Speaker 6: Of after the safe and effective, you know, covid era,
Speaker 6: is that it's very hard for those people who have
Speaker 6: lined up dutifully for their boosters, but they still have
Speaker 6: come down with the coup multiple times to lecture any
Speaker 6: of us, like, have you heard remember all of a
Speaker 6: peer pressure that you were dealing with in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 6: twenty twenty two, when it came to if you were
Speaker 6: like me and you were kind of refusing to go
Speaker 6: along with any of that nonsense, they didn't have any
Speaker 6: problem lecturing you NonStop about it, like and shaming you viciously.
Speaker 3: When's the last time they did that? Oh? Not at all.
Speaker 6: Huh, Yeah, me too. I haven't heard from a single
Speaker 6: one of those motherfuckers, not at all. So what's that
Speaker 6: tell you. Well, they may not verbally come up to
Speaker 6: you and apologize, they may not say, look, I got
Speaker 6: that wrong, but they sensed it and they know that
Speaker 6: they got it wrong, and they aren't gonna fucking talk
Speaker 6: about it anymore. And I think that's what we're really witnessing,
Speaker 6: is that a lot of these people, especially what Mark
Speaker 6: Halpern was talking about, how they're going to have a
Speaker 6: mental breakdown. Well Trump to them, they still have Like.
Speaker 6: This is the problem with the left broadly is that
Speaker 6: they don't extrapolate when they realize that some aspect of
Speaker 6: their propaganda narrative has been false. They don't extrapolate and
Speaker 6: then go, well, what else have I been believing?
Speaker 3: That's wrong?
Speaker 6: Unfortunately, they don't do that. So they ought to realize that,
Speaker 6: oh Fauci wasn't my savior. They ought to extrapolate and go,
Speaker 6: maybe J six wasn't an insurrection, Maybe they weren't trying
Speaker 6: to overthrow the government. Maybe there were informants involved. What
Speaker 6: about that bomb thing? They don't do any of that.
Speaker 6: They don't go maybe Trump isn't, you know, a future
Speaker 6: fascistic dictator. Maybe he's just a guy who he's brash
Speaker 6: and I don't like him, but like he's whatever he was.
Speaker 6: He was the president for four years. We didn't have
Speaker 6: any wars, you know, the economy was a little bit
Speaker 6: that are functioning.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's not so bad now.
Speaker 6: They don't extrapolate the lessons of safe and effective and
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Speaker 6: dot com. So because of that, if, as Mark Alpern said,
Speaker 6: if Trump gets back in there, well they're going to
Speaker 6: absolutely flip out, like lose their fing minds. And I
Speaker 6: think that the reality is a lot of them have
Speaker 6: already lost their minds. Let me show you a clip
Speaker 6: to demonstrate why I believe that.
Speaker 3: What's your name? None of your business?
Speaker 9: Unfortunately? Okay, hello, nice to meet you.
Speaker 2: None of your business?
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: But do you love America?
Speaker 3: Yes? I do. I hate America.
Speaker 10: I every state in the USA should be an independent country.
Speaker 3: What do you think of this?
Speaker 9: Well, I just first have to ask, since you hate
Speaker 9: the country, do you plan to leave?
Speaker 10: What do you mean by that?
Speaker 9: Do you plan to go live in another country?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 11: I do not.
Speaker 9: Let me tell you something.
Speaker 10: Your faith is idiots.
Speaker 9: America is the only country where even those who hate
Speaker 9: it refuse to leave.
Speaker 3: That's how you know you live in a great country,
Speaker 3: and you prove that.
Speaker 7: Well, thank you.
Speaker 10: May I have a hat.
Speaker 9: No, so let me ask you none of your business.
Speaker 9: Who do you plan to vote for?
Speaker 10: Ah?
Speaker 9: I plan to vote for Kamala Harris. Why. I mean
Speaker 9: you answered my question.
Speaker 2: So I'm done here.
Speaker 9: Can you tell me her greatest accomplishment?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 10: I can't.
Speaker 9: Can you tell me a single accomplishment?
Speaker 7: I cannot.
Speaker 3: I'm trying.
Speaker 7: I want to leave.
Speaker 10: Like like.
Speaker 6: Now, I am not going to extrapolate and say that
Speaker 6: that person.
Speaker 3: I don't know their pronouns. I'll just say that person.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to extrapolate and say that person is
Speaker 6: indicative of your average Democrat voter. But let's be honest,
Speaker 6: every single person that looks like that is a Democrat voter,
Speaker 6: all of them. If I set aside kind of my
Speaker 6: concerns about where those people are leading this country, I
Speaker 6: have a lot of sympathy for them, aside from the
Speaker 6: fact that they're destroying the nation I love. I do
Speaker 6: I feel terrible for that person. I mean, that's obviously
Speaker 6: it looks to me like it's a man who's maybe transitioning.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure there's long hair, but still kind of
Speaker 6: a more masculine voice, still masked up four years later,
Speaker 6: obviously just broken physically, emotionally, mentally, says that they hate
Speaker 6: the country and they intend to vote for Kamala Harris.
Speaker 6: Can they give you an achievement of hers? No, no
Speaker 6: they can't, not a one. But let's be honest, it
Speaker 6: doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter if she has any achievements.
Speaker 6: She's just not Trump, and for them it has become
Speaker 6: their north star or south star, if you will. Whatever
Speaker 6: is away from the south star of Trump is obviously good.
Speaker 6: So therefore it does not matter what she has accomplished.
Speaker 6: But if you see that person like I just saw them,
Speaker 6: and you think about who they are deeply, yes, it's
Speaker 6: easy to have sympathy. But moreover, it's very easy to
Speaker 6: see that if after finally getting this four year reprieve
Speaker 6: of getting Donald Trump out of power, which should have
Speaker 6: remedied everything in their lives. It didn't, obviously look at
Speaker 6: the video, but they get this four year break and
Speaker 6: then he gets back in. How how is that possible?
Speaker 6: That's all they're going to be thinking. They're gonna be
Speaker 6: like everything I have been told over the past eight
Speaker 6: years about how evil this guy is, that he's a
Speaker 6: Putin's puppet and he's a fascist, and he's gonna take
Speaker 6: away all of my rights, and he's gonna get us.
Speaker 7: Into a world war.
Speaker 3: He's gonna destroy everything.
Speaker 6: And he's gonna lock up, he's gonna deport thirty million people,
Speaker 6: and he's gonna go after trans people and all this
Speaker 6: fear mongering stuff about you know what Trump is going
Speaker 6: to do if he ever gets back into power, and
Speaker 6: the American people voted for it, they wanted that again.
Speaker 6: It will destroy people like that, It is going to
Speaker 6: shatter them. After doing the whole two worlds rant and
Speaker 6: explaining why I think people are so broken, I just
Speaker 6: want you guys to be prepared as because I think
Speaker 6: you guys are part of the third world. Not the
Speaker 6: third world as in like you shit in the streets,
Speaker 6: but like the third worldview that you guys are actually
Speaker 6: interested in the truth. You do tend to see the
Speaker 6: nuance in between the polar perspectives that a lot of
Speaker 6: people function under, that you're actually trying to get to
Speaker 6: the bottom of it as opposed to good team, bad team,
Speaker 6: like what's the truth? That for me, it's not about
Speaker 6: a team unless the team is called truth, Like that's
Speaker 6: the team I'm on. I really really want to get
Speaker 6: to the truth of all these things.
Speaker 3: In fact, it's.
Speaker 6: Very challenging in this environment because you can't find hardly
Speaker 6: anybody else out there that isn't a partisan, that is actually,
Speaker 6: at their core just genuinely interested in the truth. Even
Speaker 6: a lot of people I like they are still they're
Speaker 6: so in the bag for Trump that even though like
Speaker 6: I may agree with them more politically than I do
Speaker 6: Rachel Maddow or whatever, it's still very hard to take
Speaker 6: them seriously because I know if they read something that
Speaker 6: is damaging to Donald Trump, well they're not going to
Speaker 6: report on it, Or if they have a disagreement with
Speaker 6: one of his policy proposals, they ain't gonna say shit.
Speaker 6: That's tough, and it makes you, as someone who's actually
Speaker 6: interested in the truth, I feel like you're going crazy
Speaker 6: that there's no one else out there that's actually looking
Speaker 6: for the truth, non partisan.
Speaker 3: What the fuck actually happened on that day?
Speaker 6: What happened on j six, What happened to actually lead
Speaker 6: to Russia invading Ukraine? The answer for most people is that,
Speaker 6: you know, I don't really care Clinton. I'm not not
Speaker 6: talking to you, guys. I'm saying most people though, they're
Speaker 6: just like I just I don't have enough time, and
Speaker 6: I don't blame people. Then, and what you're seeing is
Speaker 6: like you have this partisan divide.
Speaker 3: It's like all in.
Speaker 6: Trump, all in anti Trump, and then you have the
Speaker 6: people who've just given up. And that's a huge, huge,
Speaker 6: huge amount of people that are just like this is
Speaker 6: too confusing. I don't have time to figure this out,
Speaker 6: so I'm just gonna pack it like my brothers this way.
Speaker 6: I don't want to throw him under the bus. But
Speaker 6: like he does not follow this stuff at all, not
Speaker 6: at all. I think he's more conservative leaning, but he
Speaker 6: doesn't like the day to day. If you were to
Speaker 6: ask him, he's like, I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 6: He's a firefighter. He's gonna go put out fires. That's it.
Speaker 6: That's all he knows about. And I think like he's
Speaker 6: he's actually more reflective of the average American than I am.
Speaker 6: Like I'm the odd ball, So I'm not trying to
Speaker 6: make him or you know, degrade him at all.
Speaker 3: Then there's our.
Speaker 6: Camp, which are the very in tune with the political
Speaker 6: day to day, but genuinely interested in the truth, like
Speaker 6: y'all are the odd balls, like and you know it.
Speaker 6: You know it in your day to day life if
Speaker 6: you go talk to anybody else in your life, if
Speaker 6: you talk to a hardcore drop support or if you
Speaker 6: talk to a hardcore Democrat.
Speaker 3: You can't relate to them and they can't you.
Speaker 6: But the weird thing is, like, I think you're doing
Speaker 6: the most work to get to a foundational basis that
Speaker 6: is the most honest and truthful and functioning, but yet
Speaker 6: it alienates you and I It makes it so that
Speaker 6: we feel totally adrift, and it's a tough it's a
Speaker 6: tough place to be. I think this is why so
Speaker 6: few people are libertarians. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 6: people that have libertarian instincts, but they are not willing
Speaker 6: to deal with the social ostracization that comes with it.
Speaker 6: You have to have a bit of a like defiant.
Speaker 6: People say it's a personality disorder. I don't think it is.
Speaker 6: I think it's just healthy. But like a defiant bone
Speaker 6: in your body, you have to be a very independent, minded,
Speaker 6: kind of courageous, honest, just willing to deal with the
Speaker 6: pain of having some Some people just stop talking to you,
Speaker 6: like you have to be okay with that. Some people
Speaker 6: aren't okay with that, Like they would rather just maintain
Speaker 6: all relationships and they're just gonna like they will lie,
Speaker 6: they will lie to do that. And I think libertarians,
Speaker 6: more truth oriented conservatives, not the hardened to paint cultis,
Speaker 6: are like, yeah, I'm going to I'm going to lose
Speaker 6: some friends and family over my beliefs. It's crazy. It's
Speaker 6: crazy what we have to do. But you know, kudos
Speaker 6: to you guys. I think it's an important it's an
Speaker 6: important skill set. We need a hell of a lot
Speaker 6: more people like you and I And my hope is
Speaker 6: that because it does take courage, and I do genuinely
Speaker 6: believe that courage is largely contagious. That if you get
Speaker 6: to a tipping point where it's so popular to be
Speaker 6: that that it will actually inspire those that are more
Speaker 6: libertarian minded but they are concerned with the ostracization, will
Speaker 6: realize that they actually have a larger community on the
Speaker 6: other side of the rainbow, so to speak, that it
Speaker 6: is worth taking that leap, that yes, you may lose some,
Speaker 6: but you will gain more. And for those people, the
Speaker 6: less obstinate, I think that would be enough to persuade
Speaker 6: them to go all in. If you will, I do
Speaker 6: want to show you one clip from the interview, just
Speaker 6: to make a broader point.
Speaker 7: Frankly, exhausted of Brett more than people.
Speaker 1: To tell the country is on the wrong track. They
Speaker 1: say the country is on the wrong track. If it's
Speaker 1: on the wrong track, that track follows three and a
Speaker 1: half years of you being vice president and President Biden
Speaker 1: being president. That is what they're saying, seventy nine percent
Speaker 1: of them. Why are they saying that? If you're turning
Speaker 1: the page. You've been in office for three and a
Speaker 1: half years.
Speaker 7: And Donald Trump has been running for office, but.
Speaker 2: You've been the person home on the office.
Speaker 7: What you and I both know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 7: You and I both know what I'm actually what are
Speaker 7: you talking about? What I'm talking about is that over
Speaker 7: the last decade, people have the power.
Speaker 2: But listen, come on, you know.
Speaker 3: What I'm talking about.
Speaker 6: No, actually I don't know. No, No one knows what
Speaker 6: you're talking about. Donald Trump has also been running for office. Relevancy,
Speaker 6: your honor objection relevancy. There is no she's an attorney,
Speaker 6: My god, what is the what is the relevancy of that.
Speaker 6: It's obviously it's a it's a misdirect, it's a distraction,
Speaker 6: it's trying to obfuscate her own culpability. But I think
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, here's the truth. If
Speaker 6: seventy nine now that poll is probably wrong, I doubt
Speaker 6: that many people, but maybe said seventy nine percent of
Speaker 6: people pulled felt like the countries on the wrong track.
Speaker 6: At the end of the day, regardless of what propaganda
Speaker 6: you're being fed, a huge percentage of people when they
Speaker 6: go to that ballot box two week, twenty days, nineteen
Speaker 6: days from now, are are going to say to themselves, Look,
Speaker 6: I'm not a huge fan of Trump. I'm not a
Speaker 6: huge fan of Kamala Harris. But here's the reality.
Speaker 3: The current regime. I feel like the country has had
Speaker 3: in the wrong direction.
Speaker 6: If that's almost four out five people are feeling that way,
Speaker 6: If you think that they're not gonna get you know,
Speaker 6: fifty one percent or whatever the plurality is, that's victorious
Speaker 6: to say to themselves, I just want something different.
Speaker 3: And I think that's the reality is.
Speaker 6: That, regardless of you know what your favorability towards Donald Trump,
Speaker 6: is a lot of people are just gonna say, I
Speaker 6: got I gotta do something other than what we're doing now.
Speaker 6: And I think that's the uphill slog that they have,
Speaker 6: that's the cognitive dissonance that their supporters are dealing with.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: I'm not talking about those that live in New York
Speaker 6: City or LA that feel as if their lives are
Speaker 6: fine because they're super wealthy and everything's great. If fed
Speaker 6: the stock market, we're doing fine. I'm talking about everybody
Speaker 6: else though. I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: everybody else is going to say themselves, this trajectory sucks
Speaker 6: and we got to change it. And I'm not gonna
Speaker 6: tell anybody, but I'm tucking pulling the lever for Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: That's what they're gonna do. So I think that's that's
Speaker 6: the outcome. And if you look at the betting markets,
Speaker 6: it's over sixty percent now I think it was sixty
Speaker 6: two point seven percent or something like that on the
Speaker 6: betting markets. Saan Trump's going to win. I think that's
Speaker 6: what we're looking at right now. I'd be very surprised
Speaker 6: if he loses it. And I think the reason is
Speaker 6: that ultimately reality will surpass narrative and propaganda.
Speaker 3: At least I hope, so we'll see, just to show.
Speaker 6: That I'm not part of the cult, but I'm actually
Speaker 6: trying to think these things through myself. There has been
Speaker 6: a hard pitch from Donald Trump to essentially wage economic
Speaker 6: warfare through tariffs to try and onshore domestic production, and
Speaker 6: I put out a question to my audience. Actually, surprisingly
Speaker 6: large amount of you guys actually agreed with me that
Speaker 6: maybe there is an argument to be made that tariffs
Speaker 6: are necessary. And then obviously the more puritanical libertarians chastise
Speaker 6: me and got very upset. But setting them aside, I
Speaker 6: think this is actually an interesting thought experiment. And just
Speaker 6: for the record, I haven't come to a firm conclusion.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking this thing. I'm thinking this through as we go.
Speaker 6: But because I'm thinking that Donald Trump is likely to win,
Speaker 6: I think it's a good idea for us to kind
Speaker 6: of do a thought experiment and say, like, is he
Speaker 6: on the right track or should we be advocating strongly
Speaker 6: against this very heavy terror regime that he's pushing forward.
Speaker 6: So here's one of his economic advisors explaining what they
Speaker 6: plan to do.
Speaker 2: And of course it's a bargainingship.
Speaker 11: We can sell a Ford or GM in Europe.
Speaker 3: You go to Europe, you.
Speaker 2: Can't sell Ford a GM.
Speaker 11: Why there's one hundred percent tariffs? How about in Japan
Speaker 11: one hundred percent tariffs? So do you think if we
Speaker 11: said we're going to tariffy you the way you terrify us.
Speaker 11: Do you think they're going to allow Mercedes and all
Speaker 11: these Japanese companies and Porsches and BMW's to all of
Speaker 11: a sudden, I have one hundred percent taffs in America. Of
Speaker 11: course that they're going to come and negotiate, and their
Speaker 11: taffs are going to come down, and finally Ford and
Speaker 11: General Motors are going to be able to sell in
Speaker 11: these places.
Speaker 3: How does that sound?
Speaker 11: Of course they're going to come down. Of course, this
Speaker 11: is just negotiatingly.
Speaker 12: It absolutely makes sense if you do it strategically. If
Speaker 12: it's across the board, it creates a real problem. And
Speaker 12: the question is whether you believe the president is going
Speaker 12: to do it strategically or across the board. He keeps
Speaker 12: saying it across the board.
Speaker 11: Well, when you're running for office, you make broad statements.
Speaker 11: Who people understand you, Okay, Tariffs are an amazing tool
Speaker 11: by the president to use they're an amazing tool. But
Speaker 11: he understands, don't tariff's stuff we don't make. Right, if
Speaker 11: we don't make it and you want to buy it,
Speaker 11: I don't want to put.
Speaker 2: The price up there.
Speaker 11: It's pointless. But use tariffs to build an American if
Speaker 11: we want to make it in America, TARIFFIC or if
Speaker 11: we're competing with the TARFFT.
Speaker 3: But you got to remember, we need.
Speaker 5: To protect the American worker.
Speaker 11: Finally someone's going to protect the American worker, and Donald
Speaker 11: Trump is here to protect the American work at them.
Speaker 6: I actually agreed with the other commentator when he said, look,
Speaker 6: I think if you're Trump, and in his defense, like
Speaker 6: Trump is in fact saying that he's going to do
Speaker 6: blanket tariffs, and I read somewhere that it was going
Speaker 6: to be ten percent tariffs for all imported goods. I
Speaker 6: think that's a terrible idea, just for the reasons that
Speaker 6: all of my favorite economists would argue that. I don't
Speaker 6: think it's a good idea to do a blanket tariff.
Speaker 6: That is just like pure protectionism. I think that what
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Speaker 6: a lot of libertarians don't give enough credence to is
Speaker 6: that there are, as he explained, immense tariffs that are
Speaker 6: already being levied by a ton of other foreign countries
Speaker 6: that make it so that our domestic economy cannot export
Speaker 6: to them. Now, do you think it's fair that we
Speaker 6: don't tear if any of the vehicles. I mean, we
Speaker 6: probably do to a very low level, but far and
Speaker 6: far less than the tariffs that they're charging domestic manufacturers
Speaker 6: in America to export our products to them. Like obviously
Speaker 6: the playing field is totally out of whack China has.
Speaker 6: I mean, up until the Trump presidency, China was doing
Speaker 6: that extremely heavily. So I understand the counter arguments. I
Speaker 6: understand that if you levy tariffs in an effort to
Speaker 6: try and get them to reciprocally lower theirs, and they don't,
Speaker 6: well then you're just in a trade war. And ultimately
Speaker 6: the cost is born by the consumer because all of
Speaker 6: those taxes that you're charging on these imported goods is
Speaker 6: just going to be passed on to the consumer.
Speaker 3: Duh, Right.
Speaker 6: But here's the variable that they give no credit to
Speaker 6: at all, is that, Well, what if Mercedes Benz and
Speaker 6: BMW and Porsche and all these other European manufacturing carmakers
Speaker 6: go to their government because they have lobbying powers just
Speaker 6: like FORID and GM do in America, and they say, hey,
Speaker 6: we can't have this. We can't have a one hundred
Speaker 6: percent tariff on Mercedes and BMW's and Porsches. We sell
Speaker 6: a crazy amount of these things into the United States.
Speaker 6: You have to lower them, you have to allow we
Speaker 6: will compete. Because here's the other variable. I don't think
Speaker 6: Austrian economists give enough credence to the reserve currency of
Speaker 6: the world and the fact that America is the number
Speaker 6: one consumer economy that every other country wants desperately to
Speaker 6: sell their goods into America, so we have a lot
Speaker 6: of leverage there. Additionally, because we are the reserve currency,
Speaker 6: we export our dollars to them.
Speaker 3: So what's it do.
Speaker 6: It creates an offshoring of our manufacturing. So because of that,
Speaker 6: you hollow out the industrial capacity of your country. That's
Speaker 6: what we've witnessed. You go to Detroit, you'll see it
Speaker 6: for yourself. You go to any of the other kind
Speaker 6: of industrial capitals of America, many of them are ghost towns.
Speaker 6: Now you can argue that that is just division of labor,
Speaker 6: and then ultimately that frees us up to then invest
Speaker 6: in less industrial innovations. And certainly we have done that
Speaker 6: to a large extent with social media, big tech, all that.
Speaker 6: But at some point you have to consider the consequences
Speaker 6: of having not enough middle class, high paying or at
Speaker 6: least adequately paying jobs for your people to have a
Speaker 6: good lifestyle that also keeps them kind of like culturally
Speaker 6: bounded that they feel good about the trajectory of the
Speaker 6: country and their lives and their capacity to get ahead.
Speaker 6: And just make it clear, I do understand these. The
Speaker 6: counter arguments to this is that, like, look, we would
Speaker 6: be far better off if we were to reduce taxes,
Speaker 6: reduce the regulatory environment, stop printing so much money so
Speaker 6: that we're not inflating our currency which makes it harder
Speaker 6: and harder for us to compete globally. I agree with
Speaker 6: all of that. I'm just saying, as a band aid,
Speaker 6: does it make sense to try and negotiate a reciprocal
Speaker 6: reduction of the trade war which is at this junction
Speaker 6: being unilaterally waged against us and not retaliated upon whatsoever
Speaker 6: or very very minimally. And I think that's That's the
Speaker 6: question that I've been kind of mulling over, is like,
Speaker 6: for instance, don't I don't support having nuclear weapons. I
Speaker 6: think that having a government, any government, with nuclear weapons,
Speaker 6: is extraordinary danger to humanity. But if you were to
Speaker 6: ask me, hey, Clint, would you support while we're in
Speaker 6: a proxy war with Rwrussia and kind of a cold
Speaker 6: war with China over Taiwan, et cetera, et cetera. Would
Speaker 6: you support unilateral nuclear disarmament just from the US side?
Speaker 6: And I thought about this a lot, and I think
Speaker 6: that the answer is probably no, And that may surprise you,
Speaker 6: but I still believe that not. It's not just the
Speaker 6: American government which is the danger to me. There are
Speaker 6: other governments all over the world that are also bad. Right,
Speaker 6: And if we had no nukes, and we've been essentially
Speaker 6: fucking with these people for decades and decades, like under
Speaker 6: the current paradigm, would you just if you could hit
Speaker 6: a switch and make all of the nuclear weapons in
Speaker 6: the American arsenals only inoperable, would you do so? I
Speaker 6: think that no, I wouldn't because I still would like
Speaker 6: to not die, right, And I think that that's essentially
Speaker 6: what Mesis and Rothbard and a bunch of bunch of
Speaker 6: other you know, economists that I really appreciate they have
Speaker 6: argued for. They have argued for unilateral financial nuke disarmament.
Speaker 6: That's what they've advocated for. Here's the counter argument for
Speaker 6: Milton Friedman. He said in nineteen sixty two he made
Speaker 6: the case for unilateral free trade as the best and
Speaker 6: fastest path to economic prosperity. Given that we should move
Speaker 6: to free trade, how should we do so. The method
Speaker 6: that we have tried to adopt is reciprocal negotiation of
Speaker 6: tariff productions with other countries. This seems to me a
Speaker 6: wrong procedure. In the first place, it ensures a slow pace.
Speaker 6: He moves fastest, who moves alone. In the second place,
Speaker 6: it fosters an erroneous view of the basic problem. It
Speaker 6: makes it to appear as if tariffs help the country
Speaker 6: imposing them but hurt other countries, as if when we
Speaker 6: reduce a tariff, we give up something good and should
Speaker 6: get something in return in the form of a reduction
Speaker 6: of the tariffs imposed by other countries. In truth, the
Speaker 6: situation is quite different. Our tariffs hurt us as well
Speaker 6: as other countries. We would be benefited by dispensing with
Speaker 6: our tariffs even if other countries did not. We would
Speaker 6: of course be benefited even more if they reduced theirs,
Speaker 6: but our benefiting does not require that they reduce tariffs.
Speaker 6: Self interest coincid and do not conflict. I believe that
Speaker 6: it would be far better for us to move to
Speaker 6: free trade unilatterally as Britain to the nineteenth century when
Speaker 6: it repealed the Corn laws, we, as they did, would
Speaker 6: experience an enormous ascension of political and economic power. We
Speaker 6: are a great nation that will behoove us to require
Speaker 6: reciprocal benefits from China, Mexico or Europe before we reduce
Speaker 6: the terify on products from those countries. I think it's
Speaker 6: interesting that he says it behooves us to require reciprocal benefits.
Speaker 6: It's like, well, then that's what I'm arguing, But he continues,
Speaker 6: Let us live up to our destiny and set the pace,
Speaker 6: not be reluctant followers. A prompt but gradual program would
Speaker 6: be to legislate that all import quotas or other quantitative
Speaker 6: restrictions be raised by twenty percent a year until they
Speaker 6: are so highly become irrelevant and can be abandoned, and
Speaker 6: that all terroriffs be reduced by one tenth of the
Speaker 6: present level in each of the next ten years. There
Speaker 6: are a few measures we could take that would do
Speaker 6: more to promote the cause of freedom at home and abroad.
Speaker 6: We could assume a consistent and principled stance by saying
Speaker 6: to the rest of the world we believe in freedom
Speaker 6: and intend to practice it. No one can force you
Speaker 6: to be free. That is your business. But we can
Speaker 6: offer you full cooperation on equal terms to all. Our
Speaker 6: market is open to you. Sell here what you can
Speaker 6: and wish to use the proceeds to buy what you wish.
Speaker 6: In this way, cooperation amongst individuals can be worldwide yet free.
Speaker 6: Here's the problem, Milton, it didn't work out. I think
Speaker 6: that's the real issue here, right, is that in fact,
Speaker 6: these other countries did not stop tariffs. Well, yes, it
Speaker 6: has made our cost of living artificially low.
Speaker 3: In some ways.
Speaker 6: That has also provided a mask for the Federal reserve
Speaker 6: and the inflation because we import all of these cheaper
Speaker 6: goods from the rest of the world, so we still
Speaker 6: feel as if we're wealthy. Well, in actual terms, we're
Speaker 6: getting poor. So something to consider there. And I'm not sure,
Speaker 6: because most of them were writing before the US dollar
Speaker 6: was the reserve currency of the world, I'm not sure
Speaker 6: that if they were writing today they would feel the
Speaker 6: same way. And that's a bold claim to make, and
Speaker 6: I obviously can't prove it to you, but I wonder
Speaker 6: if some of them, seeing the consequences of the paradise
Speaker 6: that they advocated on behalf of if they would say
Speaker 6: to themselves, you know, all of those other things I
Speaker 6: detailed out, you know, lowering regulations and taxes and everything else,
Speaker 6: if that's not an option on offer, would they be
Speaker 6: okay with trying to use tariffs to negotiate all of
Speaker 6: these massive tariffs that these foreign governments are levying. Would
Speaker 6: they think that that's a fair kind of middle ground
Speaker 6: in gain theory, to try and get them to lower
Speaker 6: their tariffs so that we could then export more of
Speaker 6: our domestic production to the rest of the world. And
Speaker 6: I think some of them might I do. I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know for sure, but I think it's an
Speaker 6: interesting thought experiment and interesting argument. And I'm sorry this
Speaker 6: was much more wonky than you guys are probably accustomed to,
Speaker 6: and probably very lame for some of you, But I
Speaker 6: think for the more libertarian minded you guys may find
Speaker 6: it interesting. So I don't know what the answer is.
Speaker 6: I just think that we're essentially having an economic war
Speaker 6: waged against US as is, and I believe in self defense,
Speaker 6: and therefore I think that it's probably prudent to try
Speaker 6: and leverage our purchasing capacity as the largest consumer market
Speaker 6: on the planet and to say, look, this is mutually
Speaker 6: assured destruction. Same, it's the same logic behind MAD when
Speaker 6: it comes to nuclear weapons. We don't want to tear
Speaker 6: iff you. I want to be very clear, I'm just
Speaker 6: I'm pretending that I'm the negotiator. We do not want to,
Speaker 6: but you guys have been tariffing our industry into oblivion
Speaker 6: and it has made us impossible for us to export.
Speaker 6: We have gleefully purchased tens of thousands of your goods
Speaker 6: over the past fifty years. But all it has done
Speaker 6: because you're not being you're not reciprocating the kindness of
Speaker 6: having no tariffs. We're going to match whatever you levy on,
Speaker 6: whatever industry you levy it, we will match that. And
Speaker 6: if you reduce it, we will. We will mirror your reduction,
Speaker 6: just across the board, every industry, across the board.
Speaker 3: I think it's an.
Speaker 6: Interesting negotiating tactic. I think that it would work in
Speaker 6: many regards. I think that much of our more allied
Speaker 6: nations would undoubtedly say, Okay, we get it. We've been
Speaker 6: taking advantage of you for decades. We're gonna respect your demands.
Speaker 6: Some of our more antagonistic relationships probably won't and it
Speaker 6: may escalate further, and you'd have to kind of deal
Speaker 6: with it on a case by case basis. But at
Speaker 6: the current trajectory, it looks like we are hollowing out
Speaker 6: the middle class, we are destroying our industrial capacity, and
Speaker 6: we are being taken advantage of by the rest of
Speaker 6: the world, the rest of the world which does not
Speaker 6: have the economic power that we do for now. And
Speaker 6: I feel like we are at some point in the
Speaker 6: not too distant future going to lose our position as
Speaker 6: the number one economy on Earth, and therefore we need
Speaker 6: to be making some maneuvers to kind of cushion that impact.
Speaker 6: And I think that this could serve as a cushion
Speaker 6: to try and buy us more time. That's my logic,
Speaker 6: that's my rationale. I'm sure I'm going to have a
Speaker 6: lot of people that discree with me ferociously on this,
Speaker 6: and feel free to drop those in the comments. But
Speaker 6: if you enjoyed this episode, if you enjoyed the thought experiment,
Speaker 6: please do hit the like, subscribe, and share this around.
Speaker 6: For the love of God, I hope you guys are
Speaker 6: enjoying these episodes. I'm putting more effort into them than
Speaker 6: I ever have. I'm dedicating just a tremendous amount of
Speaker 6: time to think these things through and try and have
Speaker 6: something interesting for you to process, because I only want
Speaker 6: to do this if I think it's interesting, and I
Speaker 6: thought this one was, so if.
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