Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do? Watch and listen along,
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Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property. And for this week of March tenth,
Speaker 1: we're continuing with Lost, Season two, Episode twelve, Fire.
Speaker 3: Plus water not and water yeah plus and uh.
Speaker 1: Just going over there all sorts of new ground here
Speaker 1: in Charlie's life. The flashbacks were, do we learn anything new?
Speaker 3: I guess that he has a niece? Did we know that?
Speaker 2: We probably knew that well from when he was visiting
Speaker 2: his brother in Australia. We basically learned how his brother
Speaker 2: got to Australia.
Speaker 3: I guess did we care?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Was that important for us to know? No?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was just basically dump on Charlie week.
Speaker 3: It was, and it was rough.
Speaker 1: I mean, because he's despite the fact that he's a
Speaker 1: complete screw up, he's kind of a likable character. But
Speaker 1: he just could not do anything right.
Speaker 3: And some of it was dreams. Come on, come on.
Speaker 1: I did like when he said that that Kate see's
Speaker 1: a horse and nobody says anything, but I see something
Speaker 1: and it's it's heroine.
Speaker 3: So yeah, which is what we've been saying for weeks.
Speaker 2: Like, can you all like give each other some grace
Speaker 2: on like see weird stuff?
Speaker 3: Exactly? Everyone, we have to have a campfire.
Speaker 1: Meeting where we discuss we will believe people when they
Speaker 1: say they see things. And also, does everybody here have
Speaker 1: a bad family experience?
Speaker 3: Bad bad mom, bad dad, bad brother?
Speaker 1: Raise your hand, Yeah, if your family's messed up, right, See,
Speaker 1: we have things in common. But man, Charlie could not
Speaker 1: get a break and is pretty much on the outs now.
Speaker 2: Well, and it left him on a very ominous note.
Speaker 1: Yes it did, I trust that it was on an
Speaker 1: ominous note. Because of the music, because I could not
Speaker 1: see anything.
Speaker 3: Oh well, it was darkness, it was quite dark.
Speaker 1: But he but I looked up lost p d Anda said,
Speaker 1: he pulled his footy over his head.
Speaker 2: He did, he pulled up his hoodie and he just
Speaker 2: had a very dark look in his eyes.
Speaker 1: So pulling up your hoodie is a universal gesture of menace, right,
Speaker 1: nothing good can come of that?
Speaker 3: Nope?
Speaker 1: Does you either look like a dummy or a threat,
Speaker 1: depending on how tight your hoodie is.
Speaker 3: But yeah, poor Charlie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean there's really not much to say.
Speaker 3: I know, Charlie. Move on. Now.
Speaker 1: Do we think that he was sampling his stash or
Speaker 1: he's just a completely accused, innocent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question, because those.
Speaker 1: Are some pretty florid dreams, right, although it is the island.
Speaker 2: So yeah, because when when Locke went to take them
Speaker 2: all and put them in the safe for the gun locker.
Speaker 3: Like you just destroy them? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: We might need these mutra plotline, I better tuck them away.
Speaker 2: So I believe there were seven, and at one point
Speaker 2: there were eight, but.
Speaker 3: Was one taken away at some other point? I guess, well, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because one was taken at the beginning of the episode
Speaker 2: when when Locke confronted, right, Charlie's last one himself at
Speaker 2: that time. That's right, So then I think that accounts
Speaker 2: for all of them, and he wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Have used but yeah, one, yeah, you can't tell because
Speaker 1: I mean normally dreaming and sleepwalking and weird behavior might
Speaker 1: be attributable to that. But also the island, right, so
Speaker 1: people see things, people dream things. Yeah, it's just it's
Speaker 1: a free for all. Yes, again, we say, have a
Speaker 1: talk about this people. How many of us had had
Speaker 1: weird dream James, raise your hands?
Speaker 3: How many of us have seen things? How many?
Speaker 2: And even he brought up Walt too, like not just
Speaker 2: the horse, but how many people all won't running?
Speaker 3: Which maybe that was actually Walt at least one, maybe times.
Speaker 1: Who knows who cares at this point, but this was
Speaker 1: just sort of a bummer of an episode. It was,
Speaker 1: and especially if you like the character of Charlie, but
Speaker 1: even if you don't, it's just you know, what do
Speaker 1: you do when you are sort of in this situation
Speaker 1: where you all have to be together or bad things
Speaker 1: will happen and then you get cast out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's he supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Go to go find the others and say, hey, you
Speaker 1: guys need somebody, or I can play a mean guitar.
Speaker 2: I was going to say he could hang with Anna Lusia,
Speaker 2: but she now is plotting with Jack. So's she started
Speaker 2: out as the outcast or she made.
Speaker 3: Herself Yes she did so? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all sorts of teen drama rivalries going on there.
Speaker 1: Kate and Sawyer looking at hell, Alusie and Jack wondering
Speaker 1: what's going on with that? And Ana Lucia is saying
Speaker 1: in that and you know, just it's just like they
Speaker 1: could be going to Island High School.
Speaker 3: It would fit just perfectly enough of that.
Speaker 1: You guys, come on, you're adults and you could die
Speaker 1: at any moment, right, Just live your lives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, live your lives.
Speaker 2: Putting together an army, that's right.
Speaker 1: You have any time for sex right now anyway, So
Speaker 1: just just table.
Speaker 3: It, you know. But yeah, they're raising an army.
Speaker 2: To fight against people who have magic instant light torches.
Speaker 2: So oh, I know how to like creep soundlessly through
Speaker 2: the jungle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. If they're looking for people
Speaker 1: desperate enough to get recruited, they should go talk to Charlie.
Speaker 3: What else has he got he's got nothing. Yeah, he's starting.
Speaker 1: To look like cannon fodder right now, send him out,
Speaker 1: Send him out a scouting mission.
Speaker 3: Maybe the others will take him off your hands. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but oh me for sater terrible wives all these people had.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, jeez, if the island looks this good,
Speaker 1: oh well, yeah, parenting wise, can we just also just
Speaker 1: put out a press release for all parents, do not
Speaker 1: say to your child ever, under any circumstances.
Speaker 3: You are special love.
Speaker 1: Someday you're going to get us out of here, all
Speaker 1: of us, you know, enjoy that.
Speaker 3: Piano, honey.
Speaker 1: It comes with the weight of all our responsibility for
Speaker 1: every member of this family, including your loser big brother.
Speaker 3: But no pressure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just that's just you know, line one of
Speaker 1: the parent manual.
Speaker 2: And that did happen in the dream, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: It's yes, it's bad. That did happen in the dream. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's true.
Speaker 1: But I'm getting the impression that it didn't come from nowhere, right.
Speaker 3: Right, There was a reason they was in the dream. Yes, ay, yay, yay. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was a pretty trippy dream.
Speaker 1: Yeah, suddenly he was an adult, but uh, yikes, and
Speaker 1: the whole dynamic of Locke and Charlie vis a VI
Speaker 1: Claire and Aaron is like a step.
Speaker 3: Parent thing, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that Charlie is not actually Aaron's father
Speaker 1: and has never been Claire's husband, and he really has
Speaker 1: no claim whatsoever. But it's a new you know, Aaron
Speaker 1: has a new daddy and it's hard for the old
Speaker 1: daddy to deal with and Locke is not making it
Speaker 1: any easier.
Speaker 3: You sure isn't. Yep. So that was parenting wise, That
Speaker 3: was uncomfortable, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh I did relate somewhat as a as
Speaker 1: a parent of kids with special needs who has been
Speaker 1: through many an IEP meeting and a disagreement with school
Speaker 1: personnel about various things. When you have a clear vision
Speaker 1: of how to say the kid, the kid needs this,
Speaker 1: they need this, I.
Speaker 3: Have done this, and everybody looks at you like you're nuts.
Speaker 1: Right, I have known that feeling, But I have also
Speaker 1: given that stinky when the school people.
Speaker 3: Say no, they need this, they need this.
Speaker 1: No, no, right, you're crazy. You don't see things the
Speaker 1: way I see things. So yeah, yeah, people get all
Speaker 1: sorts of ideas and it's very frustrating to have your
Speaker 1: idea rejected, and very satisfying to reject the ideas of others.
Speaker 1: All sorts of dynamics on this island of which I
Speaker 1: am familiar, right, and statues of Heroin stashed away something
Speaker 1: to make sure they're.
Speaker 3: The right number.
Speaker 1: I never did walk in my sleep and go harass
Speaker 1: people and pull my kids over the ocean.
Speaker 3: Trying to steal a baby as well. I went to
Speaker 3: another country and I took one. But still, yeah, the
Speaker 3: oh yeah, so not.
Speaker 2: I mean, this Turly thing was quite dominant, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean they threw in a few tiny scenes of
Speaker 2: other people, but it really Hurley, Hurley and Libby because
Speaker 2: a brief moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that's uh. And there was a little thing
Speaker 1: dropped there. I can't remember exactly where this goes, but
Speaker 1: that Curly record.
Speaker 3: The dogs would like a word.
Speaker 1: We watched the episode two and we have things to say.
Speaker 3: What happened to Vincent? When don't we see Vincent? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Where it's Vincent him? Who's throwing up from him?
Speaker 2: Michael's gone, Walt's gone, Shannon's gone, Like, who's clearing him
Speaker 2: of the parasites that he for sure has from this place?
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? Oh?
Speaker 1: Oh dear, Oh, but herle said something to Libby about like.
Speaker 3: Do we know each other or something like that. I
Speaker 3: thought Libby said it to him.
Speaker 1: No, Hurley said it to her, and then she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you stepped on my foot walking into the plane, except,
Speaker 1: as lost Pedia points out, she was in the tail
Speaker 1: of the plane, so he would not have passed. So
Speaker 1: let's see what is her profession again?
Speaker 3: Psychology? This Hurley had any experience with that, So.
Speaker 2: Everything's connecting everything.
Speaker 1: But in the meanwhile, aren't they cute? Hurley has zero game? Yeah,
Speaker 1: by trying, she kind of looks like she's got enough
Speaker 1: for both of them.
Speaker 3: So let me take you by the hand, let me
Speaker 3: change it to this sexy garment in front of you.
Speaker 3: It'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Oh well, good for him, I hope. I hope it
Speaker 1: is good for him because he deserves something.
Speaker 3: Happy. Somebody here deserves something. Please, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's all sorts of comic relief episodes ahead.
Speaker 1: It'll be Yeah, we'll have funny romance.
Speaker 2: We haven't missed those, you know, we've been having plenty
Speaker 2: of those, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, nothing but okay, well sorry, well,
Speaker 1: perhaps the dogs are coming in and saying, wrap it up.
Speaker 1: There's not that much to say about this. Charlie's a
Speaker 1: sad sack. He's always been a sad sack. He will
Speaker 1: continue to be a sad sack. And uh, you know
Speaker 1: what more needs to be said? Go look for the dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they're concerned about.
Speaker 1: Possibly next Tuesday we will see Vincent. Let's say next
Speaker 1: Tuesday we will continue with season two, episode thirteen of Lost,
Speaker 1: The Long Con.
Speaker 3: Who could this be about? I? Did you hear that
Speaker 3: Sawyer was a con artist? Have we seen? Have we
Speaker 3: seen it? Can? It's hard to imagine. What's many?
Speaker 1: And I wonder what sorts of flashbacks we will get
Speaker 1: from him?
Speaker 3: Move on, people, move on, move on? Yes, hi yay yi.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we will see you back here tomorrow to discuss
Speaker 1: a man on the inside. Also a happy fun episode.
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