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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do? Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property. And for this week of March tenth,

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<v Speaker 1>we're continuing with Lost, Season two, Episode twelve, Fire.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus water not and water yeah plus and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Just going over there all sorts of new ground here

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<v Speaker 1>in Charlie's life. The flashbacks were, do we learn anything new?

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<v Speaker 3>I guess that he has a niece? Did we know that?

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<v Speaker 2>We probably knew that well from when he was visiting

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<v Speaker 2>his brother in Australia. We basically learned how his brother

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<v Speaker 2>got to Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess did we care?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Was that important for us to know? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this was just basically dump on Charlie week.

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<v Speaker 3>It was, and it was rough.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, because he's despite the fact that he's a

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<v Speaker 1>complete screw up, he's kind of a likable character. But

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<v Speaker 1>he just could not do anything right.

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<v Speaker 3>And some of it was dreams. Come on, come on.

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<v Speaker 1>I did like when he said that that Kate see's

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<v Speaker 1>a horse and nobody says anything, but I see something

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's heroine.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, which is what we've been saying for weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, can you all like give each other some grace

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<v Speaker 2>on like see weird stuff?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly? Everyone, we have to have a campfire.

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<v Speaker 1>Meeting where we discuss we will believe people when they

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<v Speaker 1>say they see things. And also, does everybody here have

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<v Speaker 1>a bad family experience?

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<v Speaker 3>Bad bad mom, bad dad, bad brother?

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<v Speaker 1>Raise your hand, Yeah, if your family's messed up, right, See,

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<v Speaker 1>we have things in common. But man, Charlie could not

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<v Speaker 1>get a break and is pretty much on the outs now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and it left him on a very ominous note.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes it did, I trust that it was on an

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<v Speaker 1>ominous note. Because of the music, because I could not

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<v Speaker 1>see anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh well, it was darkness, it was quite dark.

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<v Speaker 1>But he but I looked up lost p d Anda said,

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<v Speaker 1>he pulled his footy over his head.

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<v Speaker 2>He did, he pulled up his hoodie and he just

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<v Speaker 2>had a very dark look in his eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>So pulling up your hoodie is a universal gesture of menace, right,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing good can come of that?

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<v Speaker 3>Nope?

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<v Speaker 1>Does you either look like a dummy or a threat,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on how tight your hoodie is.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, poor Charlie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean there's really not much to say.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, Charlie. Move on. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we think that he was sampling his stash or

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<v Speaker 1>he's just a completely accused, innocent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good question, because those.

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<v Speaker 1>Are some pretty florid dreams, right, although it is the island.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, because when when Locke went to take them

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<v Speaker 2>all and put them in the safe for the gun locker.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you just destroy them? What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>We might need these mutra plotline, I better tuck them away.

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<v Speaker 2>So I believe there were seven, and at one point

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<v Speaker 2>there were eight, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Was one taken away at some other point? I guess, well, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Because one was taken at the beginning of the episode

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<v Speaker 2>when when Locke confronted, right, Charlie's last one himself at

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<v Speaker 2>that time. That's right, So then I think that accounts

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<v Speaker 2>for all of them, and he wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Have used but yeah, one, yeah, you can't tell because

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<v Speaker 1>I mean normally dreaming and sleepwalking and weird behavior might

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<v Speaker 1>be attributable to that. But also the island, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>people see things, people dream things. Yeah, it's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>a free for all. Yes, again, we say, have a

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this people. How many of us had had

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<v Speaker 1>weird dream James, raise your hands?

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<v Speaker 3>How many of us have seen things? How many?

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<v Speaker 2>And even he brought up Walt too, like not just

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<v Speaker 3>Which maybe that was actually Walt at least one, maybe times.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows who cares at this point, but this was

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of a bummer of an episode. It was,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially if you like the character of Charlie, but

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<v Speaker 1>even if you don't, it's just you know, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you do when you are sort of in this situation

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<v Speaker 1>where you all have to be together or bad things

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<v Speaker 1>will happen and then you get cast out?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what's he supposed to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Go to go find the others and say, hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys need somebody, or I can play a mean guitar.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say he could hang with Anna Lusia,

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<v Speaker 2>but she now is plotting with Jack. So's she started

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<v Speaker 2>out as the outcast or she made.

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<v Speaker 3>Herself Yes she did so? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all sorts of teen drama rivalries going on there.

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<v Speaker 1>Kate and Sawyer looking at hell, Alusie and Jack wondering

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on with that? And Ana Lucia is saying

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<v Speaker 1>in that and you know, just it's just like they

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<v Speaker 1>could be going to Island High School.

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<v Speaker 3>It would fit just perfectly enough of that.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys, come on, you're adults and you could die

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<v Speaker 1>at any moment, right, Just live your lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, live your lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Putting together an army, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>You have any time for sex right now anyway, So

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<v Speaker 1>just just table.

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<v Speaker 3>It, you know. But yeah, they're raising an army.

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<v Speaker 2>To fight against people who have magic instant light torches.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh, I know how to like creep soundlessly through

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<v Speaker 2>the jungle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't know. If they're looking for people

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<v Speaker 1>desperate enough to get recruited, they should go talk to Charlie.

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<v Speaker 3>What else has he got he's got nothing. Yeah, he's starting.

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<v Speaker 1>To look like cannon fodder right now, send him out,

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<v Speaker 1>Send him out a scouting mission.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe the others will take him off your hands. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but oh me for sater terrible wives all these people had.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, jeez, if the island looks this good,

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<v Speaker 1>oh well, yeah, parenting wise, can we just also just

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<v Speaker 1>put out a press release for all parents, do not

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<v Speaker 1>say to your child ever, under any circumstances.

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<v Speaker 3>You are special love.

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<v Speaker 1>Someday you're going to get us out of here, all

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<v Speaker 1>of us, you know, enjoy that.

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<v Speaker 3>Piano, honey.

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<v Speaker 1>It comes with the weight of all our responsibility for

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<v Speaker 1>every member of this family, including your loser big brother.

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<v Speaker 3>But no pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's just that's just you know, line one of

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<v Speaker 1>the parent manual.

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<v Speaker 2>And that did happen in the dream, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's yes, it's bad. That did happen in the dream. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm getting the impression that it didn't come from nowhere, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, There was a reason they was in the dream. Yes, ay, yay, yay. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that was a pretty trippy dream.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, suddenly he was an adult, but uh, yikes, and

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<v Speaker 1>the whole dynamic of Locke and Charlie vis a VI

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<v Speaker 1>Claire and Aaron is like a step.

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<v Speaker 3>Parent thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I understand that Charlie is not actually Aaron's father

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<v Speaker 1>and has never been Claire's husband, and he really has

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<v Speaker 1>no claim whatsoever. But it's a new you know, Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>has a new daddy and it's hard for the old

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<v Speaker 1>daddy to deal with and Locke is not making it

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<v Speaker 1>any easier.

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<v Speaker 3>You sure isn't. Yep. So that was parenting wise, That

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<v Speaker 3>was uncomfortable, Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and uh I did relate somewhat as a as

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<v Speaker 1>a parent of kids with special needs who has been

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<v Speaker 1>through many an IEP meeting and a disagreement with school

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<v Speaker 1>personnel about various things. When you have a clear vision

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<v Speaker 1>of how to say the kid, the kid needs this,

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<v Speaker 1>they need this, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Have done this, and everybody looks at you like you're nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I have known that feeling, But I have also

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<v Speaker 1>given that stinky when the school people.

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<v Speaker 3>Say no, they need this, they need this.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, right, you're crazy. You don't see things the

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<v Speaker 1>way I see things. So yeah, yeah, people get all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of ideas and it's very frustrating to have your

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<v Speaker 1>idea rejected, and very satisfying to reject the ideas of others.

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<v Speaker 1>All sorts of dynamics on this island of which I

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<v Speaker 1>am familiar, right, and statues of Heroin stashed away something

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure they're.

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<v Speaker 3>The right number.

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<v Speaker 1>I never did walk in my sleep and go harass

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<v Speaker 1>people and pull my kids over the ocean.

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<v Speaker 3>Trying to steal a baby as well. I went to

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<v Speaker 3>another country and I took one. But still, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, so not.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this Turly thing was quite dominant, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they threw in a few tiny scenes of

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<v Speaker 2>other people, but it really Hurley, Hurley and Libby because

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<v Speaker 2>a brief moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, that's uh. And there was a little thing

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<v Speaker 1>dropped there. I can't remember exactly where this goes, but

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<v Speaker 1>that Curly record.

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<v Speaker 3>The dogs would like a word.

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<v Speaker 1>We watched the episode two and we have things to say.

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<v Speaker 3>What happened to Vincent? When don't we see Vincent? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Where it's Vincent him? Who's throwing up from him?

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<v Speaker 2>Michael's gone, Walt's gone, Shannon's gone, Like, who's clearing him

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<v Speaker 2>of the parasites that he for sure has from this place?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding me? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh dear, Oh, but herle said something to Libby about like.

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<v Speaker 3>Do we know each other or something like that. I

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<v Speaker 3>thought Libby said it to him.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Hurley said it to her, and then she was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you stepped on my foot walking into the plane, except,

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<v Speaker 1>as lost Pedia points out, she was in the tail

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<v Speaker 1>of the plane, so he would not have passed. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's see what is her profession again?

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<v Speaker 3>Psychology? This Hurley had any experience with that, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything's connecting everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the meanwhile, aren't they cute? Hurley has zero game? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>by trying, she kind of looks like she's got enough

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<v Speaker 1>for both of them.

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<v Speaker 3>So let me take you by the hand, let me

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<v Speaker 3>change it to this sexy garment in front of you.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, good for him, I hope. I hope it

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<v Speaker 1>is good for him because he deserves something.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy. Somebody here deserves something. Please, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there's all sorts of comic relief episodes ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be Yeah, we'll have funny romance.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't missed those, you know, we've been having plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of those, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, nothing but okay, well sorry, well,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps the dogs are coming in and saying, wrap it up.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not that much to say about this. Charlie's a

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<v Speaker 1>sad sack. He's always been a sad sack. He will

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<v Speaker 1>continue to be a sad sack. And uh, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what more needs to be said? Go look for the dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what they're concerned about.

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<v Speaker 1>Possibly next Tuesday we will see Vincent. Let's say next

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday we will continue with season two, episode thirteen of Lost,

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<v Speaker 1>The Long Con.

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<v Speaker 3>Who could this be about? I? Did you hear that

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<v Speaker 3>Sawyer was a con artist? Have we seen? Have we

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<v Speaker 3>seen it? Can? It's hard to imagine. What's many?

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<v Speaker 1>And I wonder what sorts of flashbacks we will get

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<v Speaker 1>from him?

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<v Speaker 3>Move on, people, move on, move on? Yes, hi yay yi.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, we will see you back here tomorrow to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>a man on the inside. Also a happy fun episode.

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