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We'll figure out what we're going to accuse 32 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:49.200 Pete of later, just you know, as the spear takes 33 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:51.719 me as it is. But how have you been, Carl? 34 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:56.959 Doing? Well? Thanks? Yeah, it's it's been a nice couple 35 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:03.519 of days. I caused a minor diplomatic well excuse me, 36 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:09.400 I participated in a minor diplomatic curve fluffle. But everything 37 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:15.639 is fine and I was vindicated, so that was nice. 38 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:19.159 See Carl, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but every 39 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:22.319 once in a while when I have you on, I'll 40 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:24.199 get a comment from someone that I'll say like, oh, 41 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:27.719 you know, did you know Carl is a federal agent? 42 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:31.159 And you know, I don't reply, but internally I'm like, oh, 43 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:35.000 that's ridiculous. And then Carl, you say things like, so, yeah, sorry, 44 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:40.000 I couldn't talk. I was smoothing over the diplomatic issue, 45 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:42.159 and you're like, all right, okay, so maybe this anonymous 46 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:44.520 user has something to say that's hilarious. 47 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:48.800 Yeah, no, it's funny because it was. The diplomatic issue 48 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:53.159 was with the group that I know are not there. 49 00:02:53.360 --> 00:03:00.000 They're frequently accused of being associated with, let's say, people 50 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:05.719 who would have diplomatic ties in government. They're not. But yeah, 51 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:07.280 good times. 52 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:16.800 Yeah, the I've done nothing so productive. I just just very, 53 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:20.680 very busy with kind of normal human things, which is 54 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:22.960 a suspicious thing for someone on the internet to say. 55 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:27.000 But in addition to you know, the kind of like 56 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:30.960 real life the things that make you human. I've also 57 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:36.639 been reading lots of opinion pieces on the Iran war, 58 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:41.360 and I actually, I may I may end up writing 59 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:45.639 a piece on this because some of these are so 60 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:50.599 completely and totally unhinged. But as you're no doubt aware, Carl, 61 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.759 Joe can't resigned, right. Well, we're not going to relitigate 62 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:57.039 that here. But he said, you know what I'm done, 63 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:02.360 And okay, you know I haven't support him. I think 64 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:04.960 he's a good guy. Every thing I've heard about him 65 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:08.560 has been you know, very positive, but you know, I 66 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:13.479 can understand how some people would disapprove. But to be honest, right, 67 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:17.319 a cabinet minister resigning, dude, it's not the end of 68 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:20.720 the world, right, it's it's you know, okay, maybe the 69 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:23.920 reason he did it is notable. But even if you are, 70 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:26.600 shall we say, you know, an art scientist, you're a 71 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:31.360 big fan of you know, our geopolitical relationship with Israel. 72 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:36.360 I mean, really that big of a deal. Even if 73 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:40.879 you didn't like him, he's gone now. So whatever. However, 74 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:45.319 that's not been what we've seen in the press. No, no, 75 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:51.680 the coverage has been absolutely absolutely historyonic. So I made 76 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:58.399 a discovery relatively recently that Alan Dershowitz as a substack. 77 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:02.920 He actually has quite a big substack. He's been on 78 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:07.879 the app for what five or six years, fifteen thousand subscribers, 79 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:11.560 which is notable. It's you know, many times what I 80 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:15.399 or you have Carl as a sidebar issue, who is 81 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:19.079 actually other than me subscribe to someone like Alan Dershowitz 82 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:22.000 on substack? You just read them in the New York Times. 83 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:25.480 Yeah, that's that's kind of insane. If you think about it. 84 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:30.759 My guess is that it's a there's a certain affiliation, 85 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:35.079 a correlation of affiliations involved there. 86 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:39.519 Well, I'll have you know, if you go into the comments, 87 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:43.439 I don't know what you're implying. But Charlotte Friedman in 88 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.040 all caps says, thank you Allan for speaking the truth 89 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:49.480 to fiction, which is not the turn of phrase. I 90 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:56.680 think she is easy to you way to go, which, 91 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:00.680 by the way, really a sidebar issue to what is 92 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:05.519 sub truly insane analysis by by Allan who defended Jeffrey 93 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:08.040 Epstein allegedly. 94 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:11.639 Oh wait, no, it's actually it was this counsel. 95 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:16.959 He was a lead, which, okay, to be fair, right 96 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:20.439 if that were the worst thing Alan Dershowitz has done, Like, okay, 97 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:26.160 everyone needs a lawyer whatever, but that story, ye yes, uh, 98 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:29.360 but I just want everyone to bear in mind. Alan 99 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:33.759 Dershowitz is almost ninety years old. He went to Harvard Law, 100 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:38.839 which is been reliably informed difficult to do, and he's 101 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:41.920 written for the paper of record, the New York Times. 102 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:47.920 And yet this article, man is is completely and absurd. 103 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:51.439 I was sending it around largely because it was just 104 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:56.800 completely histrionic. But let me just start off. We're gonna 105 00:06:56.800 --> 00:06:59.800 have to kind of go through this clause by clause 106 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:06.319 because he makes sweeping statements as sort of premises. Okay, 107 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:11.639 premises implies an argument. Yeah, in just like parenthetical phrases, 108 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:17.920 declarations as it were, baseless decoration declarations. Okay. So this 109 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:22.240 is from March seventeenth, twenty twenty six, the Alan Dershowitz newsletter. 110 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:26.360 I'll just read the title h neo Nazi Jew hating 111 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:32.680 Israel basher quits administration of childriddance to bad garbage, So 112 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:36.680 you know, we kind of know what his opinion is. 113 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:40.879 I know, I said we weren't going to uh re 114 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:45.240 litigate the Joe Kent thing, but I'm almost I will 115 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:46.639 actually just pull it up. 116 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:55.639 Just to sex freaking as groper. That's it. That'd be 117 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.120 a great groper user name. 118 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:07.040 Yeah would uh so? Okay, Joe Kent who cavorts with 119 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:12.439 Nazis and blames the Jews for everything. Okay, step one, 120 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:18.399 I citation needed. Man like Joe kt hangs out with Nazis. 121 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:21.519 Like I've met some guys who would self described as 122 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:24.319 that label. Uh, they don't know Joe Kent? 123 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:27.920 Yeah again with him? 124 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:32.360 Yeah, Like Joe Kent's like a like a former Green 125 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:36.559 Beret intelligence guy, you know, like, Okay, maybe you'd disagree 126 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:38.440 with him on his take on Israel, but like the 127 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:42.480 idea that he's hanging out with like like West Texas Peckerwoods, 128 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:44.879 you know, like you pull a shirt up and he's 129 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:48.799 got like an Edward Norton tattoo. Is Uh. I don't know, 130 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:51.720 it stretches credibility a bit. 131 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:56.080 He doesn't strike me as the cavorting or frolicking type. 132 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:59.320 Well, and I also appreciate that in this uh we 133 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:02.559 sort of play fast and loose with Remember in the title, 134 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:05.000 we were sure that he's a neo Nazi, Yes, but 135 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:08.519 the use of the simple phrase Nazi implies that he's 136 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:14.200 hanging out in German nursing homes, which you know fair Yeah. 137 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:17.639 Yeah, well like post nursing home. They're all gone, they're 138 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:18.679 all long gone. 139 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:24.039 Yeah that like Kent took a suspicious trip to Israel 140 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:26.960 or to sorry not to Israel, although maybe who knows 141 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:30.519 who's in certain trials to Argentina in the late eighties. 142 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:35.600 Yeah, it's he's six years old. So there were no 143 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:42.200 criticisms of this kind until he quits. Oh and the 144 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:46.120 act of talking to Tucker Carlson is cavorting with neo 145 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:51.200 Nazis or Nazis or are they neo? Like what makes 146 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:55.799 them neo? Alan doesn't know. No, So he also blames 147 00:09:55.799 --> 00:09:57.679 the Jews for everything. We'll get back to that with 148 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:03.200 Ken Sleder Hasbro's in protest. By the way, protest is capitalized, 149 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:05.200 one of the only words that is capitalized. 150 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:07.480 Sort of a bizarre thing. I realize I am not 151 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:10.799 the person to be making that sort of critique. 152 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:14.840 Karl is one who's read my writing. Mister Burden, you don't. 153 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:17.879 You don't randomly capitalize things though. 154 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:23.480 Yeah, I mean, who knows. Maybe Dershowitz has been doing 155 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:25.399 his research, He's been hanging out with T seven seven 156 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:29.720 seven and has sort of adopted his his conceit around capitalization. 157 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:31.600 Uh. 158 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:36.279 Okay, So that's the first sentence right in his letter. 159 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:40.240 He invotes anti Semitic tropes about Israel, the Jews and 160 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:44.279 the media they control getting us into wars. Okay, so 161 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:48.320 that sentence. There several things to go over, which is 162 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:53.120 one Kent did say, Israel goddess into this war. Yes, 163 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:58.600 that's basically the worst quote unquote thing he said. This 164 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:03.120 is also what Marco Rubio said the Secretary of State. 165 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.399 This is also what President Donald Trump has said. Yes, 166 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:12.279 so I don't know, man, Does that mean that Donald 167 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:15.519 Trump is anti Semitic? I highly doubt it, based off 168 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:21.240 of his actions, his family tree and everything out. Uh So, okay, 169 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:25.240 we'll go off with that. Also another one, he has 170 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:30.200 anti Semitic as two words with no dash. The history 171 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:33.240 of that word and it's how it is written is 172 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:38.120 actually relatively controversial. Not going to get into it, but again, Derschwitz, 173 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.919 shall we say, not the best writer. Okay. So as 174 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.480 part of this he includes the Iraq War, which then 175 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:50.159 Prime Minister of Israel actually opposed. Kent is a liar, 176 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:57.879 bigot and Nazi lover. Okay, So I really got nothing 177 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:00.840 on that, right. That is the conclusion. It's basically Joe 178 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:06.720 Kent bad. Anything else completely indeterminate. It's good that he's gone. 179 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:08.919 He should be relegated to the waste spin of history 180 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:12.200 where he joins others of his disgusting ilk. Anyone who 181 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:15.000 supports this evil man and his bigoted views should join him. 182 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:19.200 Good riddance. So that's his entire take on it. I 183 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:21.759 will say the comments to this are kind of funny. 184 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:22.679 I'm sure. 185 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:31.600 You've got. Of course, someone's mostly just grandparents arguing, but 186 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:38.279 there are several things there, right, yeah, sean good point there. Effectively, 187 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:41.279 and this is a point I made an upcoming article, like, 188 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:44.759 these aren't arguments, right, He's not supporting these claims. He's 189 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:51.240 basically just saying you don't support me, you're awful, go away, right, 190 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:55.279 shut up. That's effectively what this means. It's not a 191 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:58.759 real argument, it's not a real discussion being had. What's 192 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:03.399 especially interesting is that, for all of his faults, Dershowitz 193 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:06.919 is actually a very cogent thinker on other subjects, which 194 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:09.559 is what makes this so interesting. He's sort of a 195 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:14.200 bizarre figure. He is sort of the archetypal neo con 196 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:18.039 in the sense that he is sort of out spoken 197 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:24.080 about his support for socially liberal causes in America while 198 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:28.080 being a sort of ardent blood and soil nationalist for 199 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:28.960 the Nation of Israel. 200 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:32.399 Right agent consent could say. 201 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:35.559 Yeah, that's that's one. But point is, you know, he 202 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:41.159 is extremely typical of the actual neo conservatives. 203 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:41.759 Right. 204 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:44.399 That term is used sort of as a slur. I 205 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:47.639 have used it as simply an insult, right, But what 206 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:51.360 we're actually talking about is this right is this hyper 207 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:58.360 focus on aggressive foreign policy mixed with social liberalism. So 208 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:00.679 it's you know, we need to bomb the world so 209 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:03.639 that they can have you know, girls in Afghanistan go 210 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:07.919 to school, or we need to you know, lean on 211 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:11.080 the Ugandan government so that they can pass gay marriage. 212 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:13.799 You know, these sort of stuff that has become sort 213 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:17.519 of typical, very irritating about a previous era of you know, 214 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.759 so called neo conservatives. But the reason that I bring 215 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:25.240 up that Dershowitz is actually, in other settings remarkably sober. 216 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:30.159 For instance, he defended President Trump, and when he sat 217 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:32.799 down with I keep mentioning the New York Times, but 218 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:37.360 it does it is still relevant, and he basically said, like, 219 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:40.440 this is clearly political. It is absurd to you know, 220 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:43.639 charge him in this setting. It's going to create massive 221 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:47.720 political problems. And he was correct. Not only was he correct, 222 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:50.279 and I say that as someone who's not like the 223 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:53.080 maximal Donald Trump fan. You know, I'm not a plan truster, 224 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:58.559 I'm not some maga guy. But effectively he was able 225 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:02.320 to look at that in a non emotional way basically 226 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:04.200 say these are the problems it's going to bring up. 227 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:06.799 Clearly he's an intelligent guy. You know, he's had a 228 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:11.480 long career despite his show, we say, significant moral failings 229 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:17.600 he has alleged to receive or he is alleged, right, 230 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:19.919 excuse me, and let me say that more clearly. He 231 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:24.519 has admitted that he wrote around on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane, 232 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:28.440 but he says I only got massages. Right, So whatever, 233 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:30.799 Let's take the man in his word. But it is notable, 234 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:34.639 right that when he is talking about what should be 235 00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:38.240 a huge deal, right, charging the president or former president 236 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:44.039 rather of the country with crimes, right, impeaching him, claiming 237 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:47.279 that he is some agent of a foreign power, that 238 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:51.480 he's able to maintain this very serious, very sort of 239 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:57.559 buttoned down professional tone. So for our country, right, good 240 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:00.320 or for ill? There's sort of a you know, a 241 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:04.519 a very measured tone. But when it comes to something 242 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:07.919 that's on its face is relatively inconsequential. Right, How many 243 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.519 of you know the name of Joe Kent's predecessor. 244 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:11.919 Right? 245 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.399 This is an office, right, it's a cabinet position, but 246 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:17.960 it's not a huge one. It's not the Secretary of State. 247 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:21.159 It's not you know, the leader of the Department of War, 248 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:25.960 previously the Department of defense in that case, this relatively 249 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:31.039 minor personnel matter. We see history onics, right, he loses 250 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:35.000 his mind, He's throwing insults around. You know, you can 251 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:38.080 imagine this, you know, albeit condensed for length, written on 252 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.480 the stall in a bathroom. And that brings up a 253 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.679 really important question. Well, Alan, why do you care so 254 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:48.840 much about this? Why do you care so much about this, 255 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:52.360 you know, minor personnel issue. And I mean, the answer 256 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.960 is not hard to the answer is not hard to surmise, right, 257 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:01.080 The answer is that is his top priority, right, seemingly 258 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:04.400 cares way more about the foreign policy goals of the 259 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:07.880 State of Israel than he does things that happened in 260 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:10.480 our nation, right, the place where he is a lawyer, 261 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:12.240 the place where he has been one of the most 262 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:16.519 famous lawyers in the nation. And look when we dig 263 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:19.240 into it, when we look at what can actually said, 264 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:23.359 does it smack of you know, Adolf Hitler? Does it 265 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:28.680 smack of Jew hatred? No, it doesn't. What he basically said, 266 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:33.759 and many people have read it is effectively Israel and 267 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:36.559 its lobby in the US pushed us into this war. 268 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:39.880 That's je hatred exactly. 269 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:43.839 Well, apparently, according to Alan, that all. 270 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:48.920 Of his commenters to this, this this one hundred and 271 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:55.319 one word post that he abuses the sub stack format 272 00:17:55.799 --> 00:18:01.240 to basically throw up a ship post. And you know, Slanders, 273 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:06.839 a great man who served, who deployed eleven times on 274 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:16.119 combat operations in service to Alan Dershowitz's people, He's useless 275 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:18.160 to the moment. He's like, I don't think we should 276 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:22.440 do this. So this is what they think of the 277 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:24.799 people that do their dirty work for them, because they 278 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:29.799 certainly can't do it themselves, thank you. 279 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:36.079 So yeah, I mean yes on that point, right, And 280 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:39.079 I think this is really an interesting thing to note 281 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:42.799 with a lot of the coverage of the Iran war 282 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:51.720 is notice how fast and loose the warhawks play with 283 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:59.440 terms like anti semitism, right, because obviously the Jewish identity 284 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:03.119 is sort of smoky in the sense that it's like, well, 285 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:08.440 the term anti Semitism, I guess implies that it's a race, 286 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:11.359 that it is in Semitic in nature, that it's the 287 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:14.359 same as you know, anti black hatred, anti white hatred, 288 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:19.279 you know, anti Polish sentiment, something like that. But of 289 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:24.720 course we understand that Israel is not ethnically homogeneous, right. 290 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:30.519 You have populations from Spain, Italy, you know, Eastern Europe, 291 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:36.440 but also you know populations from you know, Africa, from 292 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:40.920 from other places, Ethiopians most prominently, though there's a Somalian 293 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:44.160 group as well, and so okay, well in that case, 294 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:47.319 I guess it's not racial. It's like, well, then is 295 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:51.799 it religious? Is this a form of religious discrimination? Well? 296 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:55.279 Also clearly not, because there are you know, prominent leaders, 297 00:19:55.319 --> 00:20:00.839 the country is largely secular. And then also we have 298 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:04.480 another uncomfortable question, which is to what degree is Israel 299 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:11.000 as a nation synonymous with Jewishness? And look, uh, I'm 300 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:14.519 not the one bringing these things up, right, Alan Dershowitz 301 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:18.759 is because in Ken's Peace he says nothing about you know, 302 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:21.960 world jewelry. You know, he says nothing that you can 303 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:25.799 imagine from you know, Lewis Ferricon. He makes a claim 304 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:29.720 about the nation state of Israel, which is a country. 305 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:33.480 They go to Eurovision, they have national sports teams in 306 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:39.680 the Olympics. So unless these things are synonymous, right, which 307 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:43.480 Alan Dershowitz apparently thinks they are, there should be nothing 308 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:48.200 anti Semitic about opposing the nation of Israel, right if 309 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:51.559 it's simply a nation state. But at least according to 310 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:54.519 this guy, and others. You know, we've already mentioned Levin, 311 00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:59.920 We've already mentioned pod Horriz, like they seem to not 312 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:03.680 only view the existence and the sort of promotion of 313 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:06.839 that nation as their top priority, but they seem to 314 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:11.599 do so out of a sense of ethnic solidarity. And 315 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.720 so when you hear people like Levin saying, you know this, 316 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:18.079 this touches on anti Semitic tropes. When you hear them 317 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:20.559 saying like, oh, are you saying that we have dual loyalties? 318 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:24.960 I quote Pat Buchanan, just dual loyalties would be an improvement, 319 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:28.519 because clearly you are much more emotionally invested in this 320 00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:32.480 other nation than you are in ours. He's far from 321 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:36.160 alone in that sentiment. And if you know you are, 322 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:40.920 perhaps you know, worried about that. Don't take it up 323 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:43.079 with me, right, don't take it up with Joe Kent, 324 00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:47.519 Take it up with Alan Dershowitz. There are several other 325 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:51.119 things that I want to that I want to address 326 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:58.839 in this because big picture, one of the notable parts 327 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:03.559 of this, and this is coming even from the heads 328 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:07.920 of state, is it it is very very clear that 329 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:11.039 Iran and Earth that excuse me, obviously, Iran and Israel 330 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:14.559 have different goals, but the US and Israel have different goals. 331 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:17.240 You're seeing this currently with the fact that you know, 332 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:21.720 according to all reliable reporting, Trump is in ties or 333 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:25.920 is in talks rather with the Iranians and the israel 334 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:30.119 The Israelis are still bombing, right, They're not acting as 335 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:34.480 one unit. So that's interesting, right, if that is an 336 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:37.519 anti Semitic trope, if that is borne out of some 337 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:39.960 sort of irrational ethnic hatred, you know, if that is 338 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:45.240 only a sort of dark, shadowy conspiracy, like well, I mean, 339 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:49.119 if we were on the same page, if we wanted 340 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:51.839 exactly the same thing, if we did this together because 341 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:54.559 our it was in our best interest, well, why aren't 342 00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:55.680 we negotiating together? 343 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:56.119 Right? 344 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:57.400 Why is there a split there? 345 00:22:58.240 --> 00:22:58.559 Also? 346 00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:01.440 I think it's important to mention and it's been very, 347 00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:04.240 very difficult throughout this whole war to figure out what 348 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:08.359 in the world is going on. Tucker recently hosted a 349 00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:13.440 Israeli politician, right, and from what I've heard, it was 350 00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:16.920 briefly interesting and then very frustrating afterwards. But one of 351 00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:20.359 the more interesting tidbits in that is that this source 352 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:24.880 said information in Israel is even more controlled than it 353 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:28.160 is here, which I've heard from many sources. He is 354 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:30.759 a member of their government, so i'd imagine he knows. 355 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:34.839 And obviously, even setting that aside, even from the sort 356 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:40.039 of sources on the ground in Israel, it's very difficult 357 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:42.799 to tell what's actually going on. I'm sure you, Carl 358 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:45.839 noticed the dramatic censorship right when this war happened. 359 00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:52.759 Oh yeah, absolutely, they are very brazen about the censorship 360 00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:57.720 of everything internally in Israel. You know, shouldn't be shocking 361 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:02.720 given that the leading advocates or brutal censorship in the 362 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:09.640 United States are you know, they qualify for dual citizenship 363 00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:13.359 certainly with the nation state of Israel. But yes, they 364 00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:18.279 control not only the information that can be shared regarding 365 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:24.480 missile strikes, et cetera, but also just like political their 366 00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:30.039 internal political conversations, you must you must bend the knee 367 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:35.759 to certain political parties, and they ruthlessly suppress protest and 368 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:38.200 discourse on the topic as well. 369 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:44.359 And so even that is obviously true. But we also 370 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:47.599 have to understand is that, like the Uranians are a 371 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:53.319 sophisticated nation, they have their own sort of internet operations. 372 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:55.799 And so the reason that I'm sort of forced to 373 00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:59.720 kind of look for evidence about what's happening in reverse? Right, 374 00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:01.680 what and we see happening? And then what can we 375 00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:04.480 surmise from that is that there are so many people 376 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:07.759 interested in distorting our view of this conflict on all 377 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:12.200 sides that it's sort of difficult to tell. But I 378 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:14.400 think it's important to mention and Carl, you and I 379 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:16.319 have spoken about this. I've spoken about this in other 380 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:22.839 venues while speaking about this war, that the US goals 381 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:27.519 have not been made clear, right, that what our objective 382 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:29.559 is has not been clearly stated. 383 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:32.759 There's no objective, right. 384 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:36.119 We've heard things as diverse as regime change, you know, 385 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:40.160 the abolition of you know, the Iranian government. We've heard 386 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:42.000 that we need to prevent I Ran from having a 387 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:45.400 nuclear program, which I was reliably informed we did like. 388 00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:49.960 A week ago, and they've come back to that where 389 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:54.039 they said, yes, we successfully did that, and so then 390 00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:56.079 they would be asked us, so what are you doing? 391 00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:59.640 And it's kind of like, uh, you know, it's it's 392 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.680 really that's wait, it's really quite shocking because the the 393 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:08.519 announcement of you know, the whole scenario that we find 394 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:13.319 ourselves in by Mike Johnson and Marco Rubio on that 395 00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:16.839 particular date before Trump himself said that we did this 396 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:21.599 because of Israel. Uh. They they were asked what the 397 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:24.799 strategy was, and what the you know, what what the 398 00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:28.160 goals were, what what what clear objectives do you have 399 00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:30.960 for this whether what are the victory conditions? And they 400 00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:34.279 literally had none. It was we had to do this. 401 00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:37.720