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Speaker 1: All right, Carl, you're back.

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Speaker 3: I am. Hello everybody.

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Speaker 1: It's time for our sometimes weekly defamation of one one

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Peter cononez. We'll figure out what we're going to accuse

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Pete of later, just you know, as the spear takes

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me as it is. But how have you been, Carl?

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Speaker 3: Doing? Well? Thanks? Yeah, it's it's been a nice couple

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of days. I caused a minor diplomatic well excuse me,

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I participated in a minor diplomatic curve fluffle. But everything

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is fine and I was vindicated, so that was nice.

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Speaker 1: See Carl, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but every

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once in a while when I have you on, I'll

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get a comment from someone that I'll say like, oh,

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you know, did you know Carl is a federal agent?

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And you know, I don't reply, but internally I'm like, oh,

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that's ridiculous. And then Carl, you say things like, so, yeah, sorry,

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I couldn't talk. I was smoothing over the diplomatic issue,

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and you're like, all right, okay, so maybe this anonymous

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user has something to say that's hilarious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's funny because it was. The diplomatic issue

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was with the group that I know are not there.

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They're frequently accused of being associated with, let's say, people

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who would have diplomatic ties in government. They're not. But yeah,

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good times.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the I've done nothing so productive. I just just very,

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very busy with kind of normal human things, which is

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a suspicious thing for someone on the internet to say.

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But in addition to you know, the kind of like

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real life the things that make you human. I've also

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been reading lots of opinion pieces on the Iran war,

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and I actually, I may I may end up writing

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a piece on this because some of these are so

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completely and totally unhinged. But as you're no doubt aware, Carl,

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Joe can't resigned, right. Well, we're not going to relitigate

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that here. But he said, you know what I'm done,

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he's a good guy. Every thing I've heard about him

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can understand how some people would disapprove. But to be honest, right,

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a cabinet minister resigning, dude, it's not the end of

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the world, right, it's it's you know, okay, maybe the

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reason he did it is notable. But even if you are,

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shall we say, you know, an art scientist, you're a

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big fan of you know, our geopolitical relationship with Israel.

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I mean, really that big of a deal. Even if

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you didn't like him, he's gone now. So whatever. However,

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that's not been what we've seen in the press. No, no,

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the coverage has been absolutely absolutely historyonic. So I made

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a discovery relatively recently that Alan Dershowitz as a substack.

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He actually has quite a big substack. He's been on

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the app for what five or six years, fifteen thousand subscribers,

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which is notable. It's you know, many times what I

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or you have Carl as a sidebar issue, who is

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actually other than me subscribe to someone like Alan Dershowitz

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on substack? You just read them in the New York Times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's kind of insane. If you think about it.

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a correlation of affiliations involved there.

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I don't know what you're implying. But Charlotte Friedman in

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all caps says, thank you Allan for speaking the truth

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to fiction, which is not the turn of phrase. I

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think she is easy to you way to go, which,

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sub truly insane analysis by by Allan who defended Jeffrey

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, no, it's actually it was this counsel.

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Speaker 1: He was a lead, which, okay, to be fair, right

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if that were the worst thing Alan Dershowitz has done, Like, okay,

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everyone needs a lawyer whatever, but that story, ye yes, uh,

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which is been reliably informed difficult to do, and he's

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written for the paper of record, the New York Times.

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completely histrionic. But let me just start off. We're gonna

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because he makes sweeping statements as sort of premises. Okay,

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premises implies an argument. Yeah, in just like parenthetical phrases,

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declarations as it were, baseless decoration declarations. Okay. So this

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is from March seventeenth, twenty twenty six, the Alan Dershowitz newsletter.

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I'll just read the title h neo Nazi Jew hating

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you know, we kind of know what his opinion is.

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I know, I said we weren't going to uh re

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litigate the Joe Kent thing, but I'm almost I will

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actually just pull it up.

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Speaker 3: Just to sex freaking as groper. That's it. That'd be

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a great groper user name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah would uh so? Okay, Joe Kent who cavorts with

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Nazis and blames the Jews for everything. Okay, step one,

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I citation needed. Man like Joe kt hangs out with Nazis.

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that label. Uh, they don't know Joe Kent?

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Speaker 3: Yeah again with him?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Joe Kent's like a like a former Green

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Beret intelligence guy, you know, like, Okay, maybe you'd disagree

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Speaker 1: Well, and I also appreciate that in this uh we

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sort of play fast and loose with Remember in the title,

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we were sure that he's a neo Nazi, Yes, but

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the use of the simple phrase Nazi implies that he's

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hanging out in German nursing homes, which you know fair Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well like post nursing home. They're all gone, they're

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Speaker 1: Yeah that like Kent took a suspicious trip to Israel

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or to sorry not to Israel, although maybe who knows

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who's in certain trials to Argentina in the late eighties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's he's six years old. So there were no

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criticisms of this kind until he quits. Oh and the

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act of talking to Tucker Carlson is cavorting with neo

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Nazis or Nazis or are they neo? Like what makes

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them neo? Alan doesn't know. No, So he also blames

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the Jews for everything. We'll get back to that with

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Ken Sleder Hasbro's in protest. By the way, protest is capitalized,

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one of the only words that is capitalized.

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Speaker 1: Sort of a bizarre thing. I realize I am not

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the person to be making that sort of critique.

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Speaker 3: Karl is one who's read my writing. Mister Burden, you don't.

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You don't randomly capitalize things though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, who knows. Maybe Dershowitz has been doing

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his research, He's been hanging out with T seven seven

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seven and has sort of adopted his his conceit around capitalization.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's the first sentence right in his letter.

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He invotes anti Semitic tropes about Israel, the Jews and

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the media they control getting us into wars. Okay, so

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that sentence. There several things to go over, which is

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one Kent did say, Israel goddess into this war. Yes,

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that's basically the worst quote unquote thing he said. This

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is also what Marco Rubio said the Secretary of State.

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This is also what President Donald Trump has said. Yes,

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so I don't know, man, Does that mean that Donald

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Trump is anti Semitic? I highly doubt it, based off

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of his actions, his family tree and everything out. Uh So, okay,

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we'll go off with that. Also another one, he has

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of that word and it's how it is written is

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actually relatively controversial. Not going to get into it, but again, Derschwitz,

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shall we say, not the best writer. Okay. So as

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part of this he includes the Iraq War, which then

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Prime Minister of Israel actually opposed. Kent is a liar,

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bigot and Nazi lover. Okay, So I really got nothing

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on that, right. That is the conclusion. It's basically Joe

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Kent bad. Anything else completely indeterminate. It's good that he's gone.

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He should be relegated to the waste spin of history

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where he joins others of his disgusting ilk. Anyone who

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supports this evil man and his bigoted views should join him.

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Good riddance. So that's his entire take on it. I

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Speaker 3: I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: You've got. Of course, someone's mostly just grandparents arguing, but

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there are several things there, right, yeah, sean good point there. Effectively,

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and this is a point I made an upcoming article, like,

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these aren't arguments, right, He's not supporting these claims. He's

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basically just saying you don't support me, you're awful, go away, right,

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shut up. That's effectively what this means. It's not a

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real argument, it's not a real discussion being had. What's

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especially interesting is that, for all of his faults, Dershowitz

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in the sense that he is sort of out spoken

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about his support for socially liberal causes in America while

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being a sort of ardent blood and soil nationalist for

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the Nation of Israel.

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Speaker 3: Right agent consent could say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's one. But point is, you know, he

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is extremely typical of the actual neo conservatives.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: That term is used sort of as a slur. I

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have used it as simply an insult, right, But what

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focus on aggressive foreign policy mixed with social liberalism. So

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it's you know, we need to bomb the world so

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that they can have you know, girls in Afghanistan go

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the Ugandan government so that they can pass gay marriage.

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so called neo conservatives. But the reason that I bring

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up that Dershowitz is actually, in other settings remarkably sober.

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down with I keep mentioning the New York Times, but

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it does it is still relevant, and he basically said, like,

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this is clearly political. It is absurd to you know,

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charge him in this setting. It's going to create massive

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political problems. And he was correct. Not only was he correct,

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and I say that as someone who's not like the

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maximal Donald Trump fan. You know, I'm not a plan truster,

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I'm not some maga guy. But effectively he was able

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to look at that in a non emotional way basically

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say these are the problems it's going to bring up.

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he has alleged to receive or he is alleged, right,

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excuse me, and let me say that more clearly. He

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but he says I only got massages. Right, So whatever,

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right that when he is talking about what should be

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a huge deal, right, charging the president or former president

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rather of the country with crimes, right, impeaching him, claiming

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that he is some agent of a foreign power, that

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he's able to maintain this very serious, very sort of

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buttoned down professional tone. So for our country, right, good

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or for ill? There's sort of a you know, a

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a very measured tone. But when it comes to something

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that's on its face is relatively inconsequential. Right, How many

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of you know the name of Joe Kent's predecessor.

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: This is an office, right, it's a cabinet position, but

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it's not a huge one. It's not the Secretary of State.

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previously the Department of defense in that case, this relatively

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minor personnel matter. We see history onics, right, he loses

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his mind, He's throwing insults around. You know, you can

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imagine this, you know, albeit condensed for length, written on

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the stall in a bathroom. And that brings up a

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really important question. Well, Alan, why do you care so

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much about this? Why do you care so much about this,

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you know, minor personnel issue. And I mean, the answer

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is not hard to the answer is not hard to surmise, right,

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The answer is that is his top priority, right, seemingly

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cares way more about the foreign policy goals of the

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State of Israel than he does things that happened in

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our nation, right, the place where he is a lawyer,

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the place where he has been one of the most

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famous lawyers in the nation. And look when we dig

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into it, when we look at what can actually said,

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does it smack of you know, Adolf Hitler? Does it

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smack of Jew hatred? No, it doesn't. What he basically said,

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and many people have read it is effectively Israel and

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its lobby in the US pushed us into this war.

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Speaker 3: That's je hatred exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well, apparently, according to Alan, that all.

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Speaker 3: Of his commenters to this, this this one hundred and

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one word post that he abuses the sub stack format

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to basically throw up a ship post. And you know, Slanders,

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a great man who served, who deployed eleven times on

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combat operations in service to Alan Dershowitz's people, He's useless

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to the moment. He's like, I don't think we should

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do this. So this is what they think of the

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people that do their dirty work for them, because they

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certainly can't do it themselves, thank you.

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I think this is really an interesting thing to note

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with a lot of the coverage of the Iran war

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is notice how fast and loose the warhawks play with

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terms like anti semitism, right, because obviously the Jewish identity

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is sort of smoky in the sense that it's like, well,

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the term anti Semitism, I guess implies that it's a race,

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that it is in Semitic in nature, that it's the

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same as you know, anti black hatred, anti white hatred,

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you know, anti Polish sentiment, something like that. But of

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course we understand that Israel is not ethnically homogeneous, right.

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but also you know populations from you know, Africa, from

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from other places, Ethiopians most prominently, though there's a Somalian

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group as well, and so okay, well in that case,

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I guess it's not racial. It's like, well, then is

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it religious? Is this a form of religious discrimination? Well?

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Also clearly not, because there are you know, prominent leaders,

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the country is largely secular. And then also we have

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another uncomfortable question, which is to what degree is Israel

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as a nation synonymous with Jewishness? And look, uh, I'm

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not the one bringing these things up, right, Alan Dershowitz

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is because in Ken's Peace he says nothing about you know,

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world jewelry. You know, he says nothing that you can

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imagine from you know, Lewis Ferricon. He makes a claim

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about the nation state of Israel, which is a country.

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They go to Eurovision, they have national sports teams in

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the Olympics. So unless these things are synonymous, right, which

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Alan Dershowitz apparently thinks they are, there should be nothing

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anti Semitic about opposing the nation of Israel, right if

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it's simply a nation state. But at least according to

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this guy, and others. You know, we've already mentioned Levin,

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only view the existence and the sort of promotion of

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that nation as their top priority, but they seem to

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do so out of a sense of ethnic solidarity. And

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so when you hear people like Levin saying, you know this,

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this touches on anti Semitic tropes. When you hear them

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saying like, oh, are you saying that we have dual loyalties?

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I quote Pat Buchanan, just dual loyalties would be an improvement,

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because clearly you are much more emotionally invested in this

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other nation than you are in ours. He's far from

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alone in that sentiment. And if you know you are,

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perhaps you know, worried about that. Don't take it up

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with me, right, don't take it up with Joe Kent,

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Take it up with Alan Dershowitz. There are several other

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things that I want to that I want to address

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in this because big picture, one of the notable parts

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of this, and this is coming even from the heads

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of state, is it it is very very clear that

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Iran and Earth that excuse me, obviously, Iran and Israel

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have different goals, but the US and Israel have different goals.

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You're seeing this currently with the fact that you know,

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according to all reliable reporting, Trump is in ties or

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is in talks rather with the Iranians and the israel

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The Israelis are still bombing, right, They're not acting as

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one unit. So that's interesting, right, if that is an

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anti Semitic trope, if that is borne out of some

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sort of irrational ethnic hatred, you know, if that is

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only a sort of dark, shadowy conspiracy, like well, I mean,

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if we were on the same page, if we wanted

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exactly the same thing, if we did this together because

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our it was in our best interest, well, why aren't

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we negotiating together?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Why is there a split there?

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Speaker 3: Also?

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to mention and it's been very,

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very difficult throughout this whole war to figure out what

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in the world is going on. Tucker recently hosted a

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Israeli politician, right, and from what I've heard, it was

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briefly interesting and then very frustrating afterwards. But one of

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the more interesting tidbits in that is that this source

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said information in Israel is even more controlled than it

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is here, which I've heard from many sources. He is

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a member of their government, so i'd imagine he knows.

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And obviously, even setting that aside, even from the sort

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of sources on the ground in Israel, it's very difficult

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to tell what's actually going on. I'm sure you, Carl

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noticed the dramatic censorship right when this war happened.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, they are very brazen about the censorship

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of everything internally in Israel. You know, shouldn't be shocking

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given that the leading advocates or brutal censorship in the

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United States are you know, they qualify for dual citizenship

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certainly with the nation state of Israel. But yes, they

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control not only the information that can be shared regarding

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missile strikes, et cetera, but also just like political their

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internal political conversations, you must you must bend the knee

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to certain political parties, and they ruthlessly suppress protest and

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discourse on the topic as well.

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Speaker 1: And so even that is obviously true. But we also

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have to understand is that, like the Uranians are a

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sophisticated nation, they have their own sort of internet operations.

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And so the reason that I'm sort of forced to

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kind of look for evidence about what's happening in reverse? Right,

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what and we see happening? And then what can we

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surmise from that is that there are so many people

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interested in distorting our view of this conflict on all

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sides that it's sort of difficult to tell. But I

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think it's important to mention and Carl, you and I

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have spoken about this. I've spoken about this in other

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venues while speaking about this war, that the US goals

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have not been made clear, right, that what our objective

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is has not been clearly stated.

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Speaker 3: There's no objective, right.

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Speaker 1: We've heard things as diverse as regime change, you know,

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the abolition of you know, the Iranian government. We've heard

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that we need to prevent I Ran from having a

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nuclear program, which I was reliably informed we did like.

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Speaker 3: A week ago, and they've come back to that where

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they said, yes, we successfully did that, and so then

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they would be asked us, so what are you doing?

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And it's kind of like, uh, you know, it's it's

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really that's wait, it's really quite shocking because the the

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announcement of you know, the whole scenario that we find

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ourselves in by Mike Johnson and Marco Rubio on that

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particular date before Trump himself said that we did this

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because of Israel. Uh. They they were asked what the

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strategy was, and what the you know, what what the

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goals were, what what what clear objectives do you have

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for this whether what are the victory conditions? And they

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literally had none. It was we had to do this.

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And it's really obvious they that they thought it would

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be something like Operation Midnight Hammer, which always is an

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operation name that makes me laugh. But anyway, that they

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thought it would be something like that where they hit

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some targets and declare victory and leave. But again, you're

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dealing with Israel. You declare a cease fire, and of

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course Israel continues bombing in provocation.

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Speaker 1: But what's interesting recently is that you've seen the focus

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shift towards opening the strait of hormones. That seems to

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be the goal. Several things there. One ah to be

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blunt about it. If your goal in the war is

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to set everything back to how it was before the war,

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are you winning son? Right?

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Speaker 3: Like that?

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Speaker 1: That that's not that's not what you would expect from

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a resounding success. Right If we were performing as well

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as you know you and I could hear on you

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know Newsmax or you know, Fox News, that would not

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be the stated goal. Right. That indicates to me that

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at least is not as not going as well as

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you know we are being told.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But also again we are seeing disparate, like disparate goals,

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disparate desires from this, which indicates that the the narrative

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promoted by these guys that oh, you know, Israel's doing

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us a favor, that we were going to do this

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anyway and they're just offering us help, that's not the case, right,

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It's clearly not the case. And it's incredibly frustrating when

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when we look at this because obviously these aren't real arguments,

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you know, obviously these aren't you know, the sort of

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well reasoned, genuine, you know, sort of I guess you

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could say, conversations about this. It is quite simply flexing power, right,

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we are going to do this and you're going to

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shut up. And this is something that sort of aligns

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with what that and I should look up what the

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guy's name on Tucker was. And like I said, you know,

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I did not even really enjoy this. I thought it

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was particularly annoying. Uh yep, I'm berg I think is

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his name. You can find that on Tucker's seat. But

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one of the things that he mentioned that I thought

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was particularly interesting is that it was his contention at

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least that Israel doesn't have a great plan. And when

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he said that, he wasn't saying in like a macro sense,

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but in like an immediate sense that effectively their default

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solution is violence. Their default solution is bombing, and if

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they have a problem, it's sort of the first tool

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they reach for. And so I think that, again, regardless

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of the source, that claim seems to match up with

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what we are seeing, that the problems, the very real

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problems for both Israel and America that have resulted from

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this war, which were easily identifiable with people who were

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opposed to this war and the weeks leading up to

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it pointed out, which have come true. Well, quite possibly

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it might simply be that, well, we don't like Iran,

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we have this issue. I don't know, man, throw bombs

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at it. To me, that seems at least an approximate sense.

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We're not talking about like over years, over decades to

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explain a lot of the kind of nonsense we see

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before we go on a super chat from Arthur in Cali.

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You can find them on substack for twenty dollars. Appreciate it.

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Why does it feel like Iran? Like the Iran affair

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is planned on the fly, like a random night in Vegas,

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the hangover for in Shily. Yeah, exactly, That's what I

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think it is. I think that basically, looking at what happened, effectively,

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Israel is managing certain variables, and one of those is

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that they have had the ability to basically call in

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the US like an attack dog, to get a lot

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of things done for them. Due to certain functions of

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their population pyramid. They're incredibly casualty averse, and so getting

470
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someone else, particularly the most powerful army in the world,

471
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,839
to blow stuff up for you, is a pretty good deal.

472
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:11,839
So that's obviously a huge asset. But that is a

473
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:14,519
diminishing asset for a number of reasons. Just the kind

474
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of fortunes of empire is one, but also public sentiment

475
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,119
in the US even before this was turning dramatically against

476
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,519
them on both the political left and the political right,

477
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,799
and Trump was to a certain degree a willing partner

478
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,039
in this right. They figured, well, if we want to

479
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:35,599
get something done, this might be the last chance, it's

480
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,039
sort of a short bet. And when you combine that

481
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,400
with what we're hearing from sources inside Israel that effectively

482
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,319
they kind of just like blowing stuff up. That's their

483
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:48,759
default option. Like to me, that explains a lot of this.

484
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:55,200
And again what I've said repeatedly is just because Israel

485
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,960
gets what they want in an immediate sense, does not

486
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:01,440
mean this ends up well for them, because and Carl, sorry,

487
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,640
I've been monologuing at you for twenty minutes now, but

488
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,119
to me, the very real problems facing Israel, like those

489
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,119
don't go away regardless of you know, how much you've

490
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,640
ruined Iran either way. And so clearly I think that

491
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,839
we're seeing a lot of short term thinking, and there

492
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,480
is a long term goal, you know, whether you you know,

493
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:24,319
you can look at kind of the Greater Israel project,

494
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:27,720
right this desire to destabilize and sort of you know,

495
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:32,039
turn nations around them, their rivals into sort of you know,

496
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,759
Libya esque failed states. Well, sure, like you can do that,

497
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:39,960
maybe you can do that, but I don't think that

498
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:43,359
accomplishes the end goal of creating this sort of you know,

499
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:46,960
Israeli Laban's realm. So sorry, I'll give you a chance

500
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,119
to reply to that as well.

501
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: Carl, Well, they gave away the game early on when

502
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,400
Bbe immediately said, oh yeah, and after we do this,

503
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,119
we need to take out we need America to take

504
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,839
out Turkey. Also, it's like that people have this, you know,

505
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:10,759
this this frankly well deserved image in their minds of

506
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,519
the strategist, you know, carefully coordinating in the shadows what

507
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,400
their plan is going to be over some period of time.

508
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:24,039
But at this point, you know, they are simply Leroy

509
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:31,119
Jenkins charging in and blowing everything up. You know, you can't,

510
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,319
you can only do this for so long and the

511
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,359
past twenty five years, like the vast majority of the

512
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:47,319
veterans of you know, the g WATT are explicitly anti

513
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,880
Israel at this point, the vast majority then they understood,

514
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,440
they understand what took place there in who it was for,

515
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,640
and they had personal experience with all those things. There.

516
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:00,799
There are people among them who are kind of like whatever,

517
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:04,720
They're not super passionate about it, but in general they know,

518
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:08,599
they know what this is about. And we have the

519
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:13,199
documentation going back to the nineties explaining these plans and

520
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,760
in various formats, and the declarations of various people who

521
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,760
are involved behind the scenes in such discussions. You know,

522
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,639
seven countries in seven years and so on, with Iran

523
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:30,280
being like the last one. Well, at this point, the

524
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:41,239
jig is up, and the the biggest challenge that net

525
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:49,199
Yahu has apologies for my stroke out there, the biggest

526
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:54,480
problem he has is that if his state of emergency

527
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:59,800
ends in Israel, like he can, they have elections and

528
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:03,320
he's lost. He lost the previous his coalition lost the

529
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,519
previous several elections that they were able to essentially scramble

530
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:12,079
because of because of the various crises going on, So

531
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:21,079
them lashing out and bombing residential neighborhoods in their amongst

532
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:24,760
their neighbors to try to take out you know, the

533
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,960
head of the snake. Well it's been utterly it's been

534
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:32,440
utterly and effective. And at this point, you know, they're

535
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:38,440
just their options are up, and so the moment sustained

536
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,639
ceasefire turns into the end of a war for them,

537
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:48,440
whether it's you know, kind of a stalemate with the

538
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:51,599
US having to then negotiate with the Gulf States who

539
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:54,599
were all at this point basically like look, dog, you

540
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,960
got to get out of here, like it's it's more

541
00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:00,199
dangerous for us to you to have you here to

542
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,840
host you because of one Iranian missiles and two our

543
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,800
people have had it right, like, none of this has

544
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,920
anything to do with us. It's certainly not for our benefit.

545
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:18,719
You know, Israel is blowing up people in the Gulf

546
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,920
States as well whenever they feel like it, Like they

547
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,920
attacked Doha to stop the negotiations between the US, Israel

548
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:33,280
and Hamas. And every time the US you know, cultivated

549
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:41,639
you know, a conversations about peace and discussions and diplomacy,

550
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,320
the Israelis ended it by murdering the people who showed up.

551
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,719
So the US is completely discredited in that neighborhood. And

552
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,679
so the question is are we going to leave because

553
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:57,719
there's a carrier group at the bottom of the sea

554
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,559
and we literally can't suspane, We have no way of

555
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:06,159
going in, we have no way of continuing to send forces,

556
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:13,639
or are we going to negotiate before that happens. Same difference,

557
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:20,920
Israel's finished and the most importantly is Bebi's coalition is finished.

558
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,840
And yeah, I know people are gonna say the usual things,

559
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,079
but you really have to understand that the people there

560
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:35,559
one like, like you said, doctor Burden are extremely casualty averse.

561
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,880
So they want victory, they want bombings, but they don't

562
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,679
want it to come back to them. Well, guess what

563
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,320
those days are over. You can be reached, you can

564
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:50,159
be touched, and you know you're you know, your iron

565
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:55,599
dome is a joke. It's very expensive and it literally

566
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,639
just can't It doesn't cut it. People think that there's

567
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:05,239
some magical technology one and there is not. They've been

568
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:11,280
surpassed by multiple generations, frankly of technical development that we

569
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,719
weren't able to focus on because we're busy doing their

570
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:20,039
bidding with counterinsurgency in the Middle East for decades. So

571
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:27,960
good luck. And they didn't successfully They didn't successfully get

572
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:33,280
Whitey back on board with their plan, which frankly was

573
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:38,360
the goal of a certain faction of them in throwing

574
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,920
their support behind Donald Trump after October seventh. I'm one

575
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:47,400
hundred percent positive of this because they need sustained They

576
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,199
need sustained wins for us for decades to get us

577
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:54,000
back and board on board with the overall project. You

578
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,159
can't be like, well, we got Donald Trump and therefore

579
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,800
let's go to war again, which a lot of people

580
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:04,159
warned about and it's it's quite pathetic that that they

581
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:08,159
went for it anyway, because this is completely an Israeli,

582
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:15,599
completely Israeli timeline at this point. So pretty great, pretty

583
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:20,079
pretty frustrating. But in the end, I don't want to

584
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:23,800
say it's a good thing, but it's much more positive

585
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,440
than a lot of people seem to think.

586
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:33,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I think that The other the

587
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:39,760
other sort of open question to me and is effectively,

588
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:43,840
to what degree will this cause the US to pull

589
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:49,039
out of the Middle East, Because there's been a lot

590
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:52,079
of speculation that part of the reason we're sending transport

591
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:55,719
ships into the Middle East is not for a land invasion,

592
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:02,400
but it's effectively too extract US personnel and you know, equipment.

593
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,679
I don't know if that's true, that's a rumor I've heard,

594
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:09,440
but I can imagine the Gulf States are probably not

595
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,639
hot on the idea of the US having bases there,

596
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,880
particularly when we put bases there with the stated goal

597
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:22,400
of protecting them exactly, and then not only did those

598
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,360
bases get hammered, but the cities that they are you know,

599
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:31,400
stashed in, also got hammered. The satellite footage of these bases,

600
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,840
which admittedly is coming from the Chinese. So who knows,

601
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,000
it could all be fake, but I doubt it just

602
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:39,800
from what we're hearing directly. The kind of casualty figures,

603
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,679
other kind of you know, bits of information seems to

604
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:46,719
indicate that many of these bases have been severely hampered. Right,

605
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,199
they've been bombed, thankfully as of yet, places like barracks

606
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,760
have not been hit. But a lot of the you know,

607
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,480
massively expensive, you know, multi billion dollar radar arrays, the

608
00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:01,159
things that take decades to build and I metse amount

609
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:05,360
of money have been completely destroyed. So I mean there's

610
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,119
at least a chance, right that effectively this involves a

611
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,760
major US pullback from the Middle East, which would be

612
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,840
great for any number of reasons. I think it's interesting

613
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,480
that there are some on the more conspiratorial and who say,

614
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:21,320
you know, this is all according to plan, This is

615
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,679
exactly what the Israeli government wanted. I don't believe that

616
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:30,480
doesn't seem to be accurate. That seems to hamper the

617
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:36,039
capability of in the US and Israel coalition. Yes, yes, generally,

618
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,119
like I would much prefer to have left the Middle

619
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:42,199
East on our own terms, but we're leaving, or we

620
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,119
might leave which is, uh, you know, in current times,

621
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,880
better than nothing, I guess, but yeah, it's it's sort

622
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,599
of an interesting thing that so as we kind of,

623
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,519
you know, get to the closing half of the show,

624
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,280
just bite popular rumors. I do not work for free.

625
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:07,840
If you want to send questions or comments, just send

626
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,639
a super chat. We'll get to them. There's enough going

627
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:12,800
in the chat that we can't really keep up with it.

628
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,239
But yeah, just a kind of I guess warning bell there,

629
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,639
we're gonna wrap up in an hour. Unfortunately, as much

630
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:21,320
as I love talking to Carl, I have to record

631
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,119
after this again. But yeah, it's honestly, as we kind

632
00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:29,639
of pivot back to the Iran war, it's been interesting

633
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,199
because so much of the polling you see is sort

634
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,400
of deliberately constructed. Since for instance, Carl, I'm sure you've

635
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,719
seen the North Korea esque approval number floating.

636
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:48,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's and that's because that's because to

637
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:51,800
be maga, you know, to be identified as MAGA in

638
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,599
these polls, which interestingly, and I need to point this out,

639
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,760
this is something that I began seeing after October seventh. Interestingly,

640
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,719
CNN is boosting.

641
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:05,639
Speaker 1: This and which I thought was very interesting.

642
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,679
Speaker 3: And all it is is to be maga. Is you

643
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,000
agree with everything that Donald Trump does. That that's how

644
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:15,000
they determine if someone's maga or not for the purpose

645
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:18,000
of these polls, which is why he has ninety to

646
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:23,199
one hundred percent approval ratings per these polls. It isn't

647
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,320
people who voted for Donald Trump three times. It's it's

648
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:34,599
literally like a drooling retard. So the thing to really

649
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,519
understand there is that if CNN is doing this, it

650
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:42,840
means in boosting this stuff, it's an op. Part of

651
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,280
it is to be like, we're going to blame the right,

652
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,400
you know, for this. But at the same time, this

653
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,800
is also CNN who who prepared the anuses of the

654
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,400
libtards leading up it leading up to the twenty twenty

655
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:05,480
four elect with very frank conversations about problems with Biden

656
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:09,679
and the Democraocratic Party, as well as interesting critiques of

657
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:15,280
Israel from kind of a Ukraine loving Libtard centric angle.

658
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,920
So there's some really interesting stuff taking place in the

659
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,639
cy War battle space.

660
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and I think that that's a really interesting

661
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,000
element to this. And I think a big part of

662
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:38,360
the reason I can tell things aren't going well and

663
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,280
you may have noticed in my analysis, Carl, that I

664
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,599
am I really don't know anything about anything. I've never

665
00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:49,039
been in the military, never been to Iran, never been

666
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:53,360
to Israel. I'm not a high level diplomat, but I

667
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,679
do know enough about human behavior that you can kind

668
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,920
of build out what's happening. Yeah, and to me, the

669
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,639
fact that continually, really since this started, the attitude has

670
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:10,199
been obviously not from CNN, but from sort of within

671
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,920
the camp has been blame is really interesting to me. Yes,

672
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,000
and I noticed that on the woke right issue, right,

673
00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:20,559
these people who say, oh, you know, MAGA had this

674
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:24,119
great coalition, but we let too many of these dangerous

675
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:27,000
radicals in, you know, these people who believe that abortion

676
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,039
is an absolute and total sin. You know, are there

677
00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:32,920
are other issues as well, you know, people who are

678
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:35,480
you know, too aware of issues of race or you know,

679
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:38,320
are too aware of you know, the power of the

680
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,719
Israel lobby for example. Well, they're gonna break this up.

681
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,719
They're the reason. Right people are scared off by how

682
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,360
extreme you know that that these people are, and we're

683
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,519
going to lose, right, you people, the woke right are

684
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:53,599
just as bad as the left, and you're gonna do

685
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:57,280
the same thing, deliver a historic defeat and sure that

686
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,760
narrative has been around cynically for a very long time, right,

687
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,559
because obviously these people have a vested interest in making

688
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:07,199
sure the conversation stays in a certain sort of band

689
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:14,360
of acceptable discourse. And also right and also to me,

690
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:16,679
I think there was a general assumption that, oh, there's

691
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,039
going to be a backlash and how are we going

692
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:23,119
to spend this. You see a very similar thing happening

693
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:26,639
with the Iran war, right blaming whoever we want or

694
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,760
why this isn't going well, so very early with vpg'd

695
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,840
vans right, the desires to blame him. Now, I'm not

696
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,400
the biggest Vance fan, but at the point that you

697
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,880
know certain people are attacking him, it makes me like

698
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:45,360
him more. And also I think that there's definitely something

699
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,239
to what you're saying about the whole CNN thing right

700
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,440
to turn this into Trump's war, and you know, as

701
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,880
it inevitably becomes more unpopular right outside of that core group,

702
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,519
because as far as I can understand, and there's no

703
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:04,039
standardized definition of MAGA Republican, but when I looked into it,

704
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:06,840
it seems to be self described. Right, do you describe

705
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:12,079
yourself as a massive Donald Trump fan. Yeah, well, if

706
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,760
you describe yourself as a massive Donald Trump fan, a

707
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,159
simple logic would indicate you're probably a pretty big fan

708
00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:22,719
of Donald Trump, you know, just kind of experimenting with this, Carl.

709
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,679
And so I think that that's a very interesting shift,

710
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,920
because one you're further creating the very echo chamber that

711
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:35,639
Kent mentioned in his resignation when he's you know, directly

712
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:37,360
wrote to the President and said, you know, I think

713
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,960
you've been placed into an echo chamber where you were

714
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,840
only hearing alongside of this argument, and you were only

715
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:48,239
hearing effectively, you know, positive pulling from those people. And

716
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,360
so to me, I don't want to be overly conspiratorial,

717
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,519
but like that one hundred percent approval rating, which look, man,

718
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:57,760
in a country the size of ours, do one hundred

719
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,760
percent of people agree on literally anything?

720
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: No, No, it's it's the people that support this war

721
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:13,039
vocally online are one bots, which is a huge percentage

722
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:18,000
of it. And after October seventh, we began to see

723
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:21,599
the growth of and it mostly really became obvious in

724
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:26,280
the last year, the growth of accounts that were newly

725
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,400
created using a hasbur a template that's been around for

726
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:41,280
nine ten years, or they're Jewish partisans or their basically

727
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,559
fossils who are TV addicts, who are like, finally, the

728
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:48,599
thing that TV's been talking about for the past fifty

729
00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:52,119
years is going to happen. I'm excited for the TV

730
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:55,679
show that I was promised, Like that's it. No one

731
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,960
thinks that this is geostrategic genius, Like no, nobody actually

732
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:05,719
believes the copes that are put out there, the explanatory

733
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:12,440
copes there. No one believes it. It's it's purely it's

734
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:16,320
purely nonsense, and we can't even do it, like we

735
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:21,519
can't do the thing that they think that they're selling

736
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:21,840
us on.

737
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:31,519
Speaker 1: Certainly. I mean, man, it's in my mind, it's incredibly

738
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:38,800
incredibly frustrating. You look at this because there was a chance,

739
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:47,599
whether you view that as positive or negative, for MAGA

740
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,079
to become a multi generational project, right, to become something

741
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:55,639
that lasted past the lifetime of you know, a current

742
00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:59,840
Sean Hannity viewer, and you could look at the sort

743
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:03,639
of synthesis of you know, the anti war movement, the

744
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:09,159
sort of MAHA like you know, anti pharma kind of

745
00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:12,239
like you know, pro I guess you could say, kind

746
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,559
of pro food policy as a way in which kind

747
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:19,320
of disparate concerns were brought into a platform, clearly an

748
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:26,119
ellectorally successful platform. And again, right, obviously immigration was at

749
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:27,960
the forefront. There was a certain amount and this was

750
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:32,079
kind of a protest vote. But you know, also one

751
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:34,559
of the biggest demos to go over was young men,

752
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,840
and where young men go, the nation follows, right, we

753
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,599
understand how this works. And so to see this thrown

754
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:47,400
away so quickly, and to watch the narrative be distorted

755
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,960
so much where it's you know, one hundred percent of

756
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,800
this very specific slice of the population that was going

757
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,559
to agree with it anyway, you know, to see it

758
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:59,800
all thrown away. And at least if you know, this

759
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:03,519
was all being traded for some grand strategic goal, right,

760
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,239
if we had you know, marched in, you know, we

761
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,480
had turned Iran into some sort of like Roman Latin fundia,

762
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,519
you know, full of slaves, plundered their treasure, enriched the country,

763
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,639
and gas was a dollar a gallon. It's like, okay, well,

764
00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:20,400
maybe that betrayal was worth it. Maybe you exchanged political

765
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,159
capital for real capital. I'm not saying I agree with

766
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:26,119
it morally, I'm not saying I would, you know, sign

767
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:27,679
off on it if I was the man in the chair,

768
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:29,880
but you could at least understand it right. You could

769
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,719
at least see a decision was made. This yeah, you know,

770
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,519
turned out to be in you know, someone's benefit. But

771
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,440
when it is that sacrifice has been made, the war

772
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,039
seems to be going badly, and the people cheering it

773
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:46,760
on most do not have the best interest of this

774
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,280
nation at their heart. It don't even seem to particularly

775
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,039
care about this nation insomuch as it affects the fate

776
00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:55,440
of a foreign people, the fate of a foreign nation.

777
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,320
It's it's I have to be careful in this one, Karl.

778
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,159
It is not good.

779
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 3: No, it's bad.

780
00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: So we've got one question that's relevant to this topic

781
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,440
from wild Speaker ninety four. What are your thoughts on

782
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,159
the idea that America serves as a limitter on Israeli

783
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:23,000
tactics and without American security guarantees, Israel goes nuclear So

784
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:26,559
a couple things there. If we have the capability to

785
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:28,599
limit israel I haven't seen it.

786
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 3: Right.

787
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,039
Speaker 1: We mentioned earlier that you know, we are at least

788
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:36,519
apparently in negotiations and we can't get Israel to stop.

789
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,400
It seems to me, again as someone who's never been

790
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,920
a diplomat, it would be way easier to start up

791
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,199
a talks if you could stop bombing them right like, hey,

792
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,360
is a gesture of good faith. But when you are

793
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,239
interested in doing that, you were saying, all right, all right,

794
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,960
let's talk, like we'll stop throwing haymakers, and then your

795
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,880
tag team partner is still hitting them over the back

796
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,039
with a chair. That indicates that you don't have any

797
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:06,199
ability to control what that guy does. Similarly, as far

798
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,400
as the you know, the nuclear thing, I could be

799
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,960
fully convinced that the guys in the room thought that,

800
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,440
you know, that they were genuinely concerned that Israel would

801
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:20,679
go nuclear. But what we've seen from you know, the

802
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,840
Iranians is they basically said like, hey, look, if you

803
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,960
don't knock this off, we're going to escalate. We are

804
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:31,719
going to hit certain targets. And these include desalinization plants

805
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,639
in the Arab States, which you know, you don't have

806
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:36,400
to be a genius to figure out that's pretty much

807
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,320
how they get their water. Let alone, you know, there

808
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,320
are targets in Israel. They have a desalinization plant, they

809
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,159
have a nuclear plant obviously, you know, there are a

810
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,159
number of religious sites which have almost been hit, but

811
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:54,159
not you know, thankfully directly. So I mean, in a

812
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,880
situation like that, like if we can imagine and I realized,

813
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,400
the Iranians are not great at keeping their word right.

814
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,880
They tend to make dramatic proclamations and then do nothing.

815
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,719
But escalation is both a rational and a mathematical possibility

816
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,840
in their current situation. Well, okay, if Israel was so

817
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,840
desperate about this that they were right on the edge

818
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,440
of losing nukes, well you know what happens when a

819
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,880
bunch of you know, mansions in the hills get blown up.

820
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:22,840
What happens when Israel doesn't have a reliable source of

821
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:29,400
water anymore, what happens when their nuclear power plants are hit? Like, okay,

822
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,920
do we think that they are not going to you know, escalate?

823
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:36,159
Like to me, that seems to be rational. So I mean,

824
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,039
and it goes back to that kind of proximate versus

825
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:42,440
larger discussion of what their goals are. So what are

826
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,239
our goals? Well, you know, if you're doing this to

827
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,440
prevent the Israelis from losing nukes, and you know, three

828
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,360
months later, they're in a position where they've decided they're

829
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,079
going to use nukes. It's like, well, you chipping in

830
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:58,480
didn't really make a difference there, Right, they're crazy apparently,

831
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,320
you know. It's it's the guy at the poker table,

832
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:03,480
you know, with a gun pointed at you under the table,

833
00:55:04,159 --> 00:55:07,239
and you know, according to internal sources, right, the guy

834
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,159
at mena tucker. And then also my observation, they seem

835
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:13,639
to be a little trigger happy, to put it mildly, Carl,

836
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:15,239
I'll give you a chance to response, well.

837
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the I agree completely with your framing of that.

838
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:24,719
The the thing that causes Israel to go nuclear is

839
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:33,400
them being swarmed and basically extinguished, and that's that's their

840
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:37,159
whole That's the only time where it makes any kind

841
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:40,880
of sense whatsoever as a threat, because if they loose

842
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,119
nukes like in a peremptory fashion, it just gets them

843
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:48,559
wiped out, right. So uh. The the other thing I

844
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:52,320
want to point out is that this America as a

845
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,800
limiter of Israel is is a cope and it dates

846
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:02,079
all the way back to Gnome Chompski, who's who's framing

847
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,000
was always because again the idea was you weren't supposed.

848
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: To know, tom Ski. Is it Italian?

849
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:14,519
Speaker 3: Sure, it's yeah, there's probably a little Italian back there,

850
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:20,559
if you're familiar with the genomic analysis, it branched from

851
00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:25,800
Italian fourteen hundred years ago perhaps. But anyway, the idea

852
00:56:26,039 --> 00:56:32,320
is that, you know, Israel is a European imperial project

853
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,719
that is a colony of America, and America is bad

854
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:40,760
because white people bad. That's that's an old and I'm

855
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,960
going to say this carefully. You know, that's an old,

856
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:49,360
fake third worldist position, like people throw that term around,

857
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,239
like you should look at the history of it. It

858
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:57,320
means something different, But it's a there're leftist copes in

859
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,320
America during the Cold War that this is that this

860
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,840
rhymes with. So it's a good question. Jay expressed it

861
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,719
pretty well. But I just wanted to explain the origin

862
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:15,000
of this kind of this kind of strategic strategic lying.

863
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: Okay, you'll you'll never believe this. I'm on uh on

864
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:26,639
Wikipedia and uh the second paragraph in this says that

865
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,360
Nom Chomsky was born to Amish parents in Philadelphia.

866
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: Mm huh, what.

867
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: Do you know? Anyway? Uh? In all seriousness, that is

868
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:47,360
that framing is clearly, clearly dishonest. Obviously there are there

869
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:54,920
are real benefits to our regime to having Israel in

870
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,679
place now. No, I do not say the nation or US, yes,

871
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,519
but it is for the political class of mutually beneficial arrangement.

872
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:12,039
It's not particularly difficult to figure that out. But to

873
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:19,239
be honest, I think that ultimately Israel as a doomed

874
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,679
project for a number of reasons. Their situation is completely

875
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,760
and totally untenable. There shall we say diplomatic attitudes to

876
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:34,159
all of their neighbors are untenable. Again, just the amount

877
00:58:34,159 --> 00:58:37,199
of water, let alone the kind of political situation on

878
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:39,880
the ground. So I don't view this as sort of

879
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,760
like an eternal issue. But the problem is basically, as

880
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,400
that system falls apart, how much do they drag us

881
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,920
into And at least so far, and apparently Joe Kent agrees,

882
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:54,000
the answer is they have dragged they have the ability

883
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:56,679
to drag us into a lot. And that's sort of

884
00:58:56,719 --> 00:59:01,119
my primary, at least immediate concern. So we have another one.

885
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,440
This is more relevant to our other recurring topic from

886
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:09,480
Eagle Scout, Warlord, Best Bear Defense caliber and pistol with

887
00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:14,519
ten plus rounds Grizzly and or Black Bear, so Black

888
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:19,400
bears are not super dangerous. You kind of have to

889
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,199
work to get one to attack you, and in most

890
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,119
cases it's sort of like like the the recommended response

891
00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:29,599
to a black bear is like make a lot of

892
00:59:29,639 --> 00:59:33,440
noise and look scary. Now, obviously, you know there's a

893
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,840
situation where you need to shoot a black bear, so

894
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:40,760
those stipulations and look, I'll be honest, man, I don't

895
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,599
know anything about bears. I don't I live in black

896
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:47,559
bear country. They're not threatening, Like I've had one run

897
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:50,559
past me, just unbothered. When I was like eight years old.

898
00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:54,159
Speaker 3: My mother in law got got knocked over by one

899
00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:56,840
one time, but it was literally running away from a

900
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:57,559
tiny woman.

901
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm glad that's what you were about to say, Carl,

902
01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:03,400
because if you said, like, no, my my mother in

903
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,159
law was eaten to death by a blast there, I'm

904
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,840
very upset. I would have felt horrible, mostly because it

905
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,039
made me look like an idiot on the internet. But

906
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:16,960
as far as pistol with ten plus rounds into that one,

907
01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:20,840
unless you're going super out there, the answer is basically

908
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,400
ten millimeter, right. You know, obviously the forty four mag

909
01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:28,480
is sort of the default choice, but you're not getting

910
01:00:28,519 --> 01:00:32,039
ten rounds in that there's an interesting discussion to be

911
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:33,199
had about bullet selection.

912
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:38,719
Speaker 3: Buffalo Boar has hard less. Yeah, hardcast maybe.

913
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: And honestly, if you're on a budget, the glock twenty

914
01:00:43,519 --> 01:00:48,360
one I believe is twenty twenty. Excuse me, Yeah, the

915
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:54,280
glock twenty it'll do just great. It's fifteen round capacity.

916
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,960
They're like five hundred some bucks. They're not that expensive.

917
01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:00,480
There are other options, but if you don't want to

918
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:01,840
spend a lot of money and you want it to

919
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,280
do those things, they're light. You don't really have to

920
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,440
worry about it. I'm not a glock guy, but like

921
01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:14,039
that is the answer. Yeah, obviously there's other like super

922
01:01:14,679 --> 01:01:18,320
specialty and if you know what you already like, get that,

923
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,480
Like if you like, if you're an M and P guy,

924
01:01:21,519 --> 01:01:24,519
they make one do that instead, but knowing nothing about

925
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:26,840
you at all, no offense. That's what I go for.

926
01:01:27,039 --> 01:01:31,719
It's cheap, they work, they're remarkably pleasant to shoot, actually,

927
01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:34,920
like I think that the big frame glocks handle the

928
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:41,119
recoil pretty well. But honestly, depending on your situation, Like

929
01:01:41,199 --> 01:01:45,480
if you're just out on your farm, just go for

930
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:50,760
a twelve gage, dude, that'll work. Like yeah, big magnum slugs,

931
01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:55,599
like that's better. But obviously, like if you're hiking, turns

932
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:58,760
out people tend to get slightly uneasy if you're carrying

933
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,960
a if you're carrying a you know, a shotgun with you.

934
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,679
Obviously you know there are other things like you know,

935
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,480
forty five super and forty five plus P. But if

936
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:16,000
you're asking that question to me on the internet, that's

937
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:20,079
not for you, right. If you've already arrived at that position, great,

938
01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:22,840
you'll be a weird autist out in the woods. Awesome,

939
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,320
But it's just kind of a I don't know what

940
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:26,880
to get. That's probably your best bet.

941
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 3: I have to point out a scenario that where this

942
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,119
is something that you literally have to think about, like

943
01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:36,880
I literally have to think about it. So we have

944
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:43,880
a family upland hunting area that has grouse and dove

945
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:50,239
and pheasant in various areas, and grizzlies were reintroduced by

946
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:55,760
the federal government, and you cannot carry a rifle and

947
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,679
you can't even have like slugs in during those seasons

948
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:05,360
because they over overlap with like elk and the like,

949
01:03:06,119 --> 01:03:12,039
and and it is extremely risky to be because you're

950
01:03:12,039 --> 01:03:15,360
dealing with game wardens, and you can very easily get

951
01:03:16,119 --> 01:03:22,840
raped over at Cole's if you're if you're in violation

952
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,840
of those whether it's carrying slugs or buckshot, which is

953
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,760
a bad idea. You want slugs or a rifle. So

954
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:35,480
that's where the ten millimeter mania is the answer, unless

955
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:39,039
you just want a forty four magnum or of four

956
01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:43,559
fifty four castle. I agree. John C. Barsoom pointed out

957
01:03:43,679 --> 01:03:46,760
HK forty five will run the hard cast forty five

958
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,679
plus P forty five super like all those various there's

959
01:03:50,719 --> 01:03:54,519
there's a bunch of variations that are super high pressure

960
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,679
that the hks will run, which are great. But to

961
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,639
your point, mister burn in ten milimeter.

962
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:07,239
Speaker 1: And it's like, obviously there's a optimization game you can play,

963
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:11,519
but the general the general thought is like, okay, look like,

964
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:15,039
are you the kind of guy who wants to get

965
01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:18,719
into that or do you just want to not worry

966
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:21,320
about getting eaten when you're on like a hike you

967
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:25,400
go on twice a year with your family. Also, yes, oh,

968
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:30,119
by the way, well we're talking about often mispronounced phrases.

969
01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:32,760
I heard one the other day that it just absolutely

970
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:37,079
drove me wild when someone said they were walking on

971
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:43,920
egg shelves, right, and like, look, I realized correcting someone's

972
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:48,719
grammar while you're talking to them is like, okay, kind

973
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:51,599
of poor form. But at the same time I was

974
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:55,079
just dumbfounded. I was like, what do you think that means? Like,

975
01:04:55,119 --> 01:05:00,239
what is an egg shelf? Why would you walk on them.

976
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 3: An egg shellf that's delightful.

977
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,039
Speaker 1: No, I will say. The one that has entered my

978
01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:11,280
lexicon is I started saying irregardless as a joke, and

979
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,440
it was first is farce, then it's just actual, Like

980
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:18,679
how I think? So that's one that George w Really

981
01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:19,440
he got me there.

982
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 3: That's the discipline.

983
01:05:24,159 --> 01:05:27,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, John C. Barsu is one hundred percent correct. The

984
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:31,400
real answer is dual wielding six round forty four mag revolvers.

985
01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:34,719
I know Ruger has some relatively affordable options if you

986
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,960
want a revolver, but again, pretty much any forty four

987
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,320
mag revolver is going to be more expensive than the glock. Like,

988
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,360
what is the Ruger forty four mag called?

989
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 3: Again, there's the Red Hawk and the Super red Hawk

990
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,519
if you want double action, and then they have the

991
01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:53,000
Super black Hawk and forty four Magnum, which is a

992
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:57,199
single action, which I don't recommend for this purpose. If

993
01:05:57,199 --> 01:05:59,760
you're being reactive, you do not want a single action,

994
01:06:01,199 --> 01:06:06,079
and the Ruger Red like a used Red Hawk, which

995
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:11,519
is slightly lighter frame is you're still talking eight hundred

996
01:06:11,719 --> 01:06:16,320
plus dollars there. There's they run something like eleven or

997
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:20,320
twelve hundred minimum new. They're well made, they're over built,

998
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:25,960
they're incredibly heavy and chunky. You probably want to have

999
01:06:26,039 --> 01:06:28,280
someone who knows what they're doing help you with the

1000
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:34,400
action because they're manufacturing is rather shockingly sloppy, but it's

1001
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:39,559
easy to fix with like washers or what's the term

1002
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:45,159
shims excuse me for the for aligning the hammer in

1003
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:48,400
the in the trigger or so that.

1004
01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: There's some other options on the market. One for cool

1005
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,840
thousand dollars you can get truly the worst of both worlds,

1006
01:06:56,239 --> 01:07:00,480
which is a six inch barrel Ruger ten millimeter revolver,

1007
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:06,320
which is just lunacy. Who whoever suggested that in the

1008
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:11,480
boardroom should be definestrated. But if you're looking for a

1009
01:07:11,519 --> 01:07:17,760
whimsical option, you have the Henry six mL A forty

1010
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:23,960
four magnum Mare's leg Lever Action Revolver Pistol, which I mean,

1011
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,960
I'm not going to say, is a great option, but

1012
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,400
if you pulled that out from under a duster to

1013
01:07:29,719 --> 01:07:35,360
finish off a grizzly, that'd be pretty cool. Or if

1014
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:36,800
you're going at the opposite end of it, you could

1015
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,480
always go for the four thousand dollars or forty two

1016
01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:45,280
hundred dollars excuse me, custom Courth mongoose if you're interested

1017
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:50,119
in German revolver autism. But I will say again, if

1018
01:07:50,119 --> 01:07:55,679
you have course revolver money, send me more than five bucks,

1019
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:56,440
is all I'm saying.

1020
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:04,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the that's the Uh, that is the I

1021
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,719
really enjoy spending money, and I enjoy having something that

1022
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:12,119
like almost nobody I know will ever own because of

1023
01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:15,000
the uh the expenditures involved. They make an m R

1024
01:08:15,159 --> 01:08:18,359
seventy three look like, you know, kind of a cheap

1025
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:19,880
gun by comparison.

1026
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,560
Speaker 1: Okay, we're just we're just doing this now. Uh So

1027
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:29,399
Corth very high end German company. Uh, I'll just pull

1028
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,239
this over. And the kind of crazy thing about Coreth

1029
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,880
is that they have exactly two types of products. They

1030
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:43,359
either have the most immaculately hyper autismo very tasteful guns

1031
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,800
where it's like you know, you never know this was

1032
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,119
worth that much. But the you know, the the lockwork,

1033
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:50,359
it's like a it's like a high end watch, right,

1034
01:08:51,079 --> 01:08:54,880
it's just pleasingly made. Or they make Fortnite guns and

1035
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:55,760
nothing in between.

1036
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 3: Yep.

1037
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: And so this is not a all we were planning

1038
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,479
to talk about, but you know what, it's our live show.

1039
01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:09,079
So I'm going to pull up Carl the the Adrenaline

1040
01:09:09,239 --> 01:09:15,960
for only seventy three dollars a mirror. Look at that, man,

1041
01:09:17,239 --> 01:09:20,680
it's idiots, genuinely idiots.

1042
01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like race guns are are ridiculous. The the

1043
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:31,000
the revolvers, like the Coarse Ranger revolver, like with red

1044
01:09:31,159 --> 01:09:33,800
and stuff like that makes this thing look tasteful.

1045
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: So for those who aren't watching the video version, this

1046
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,640
is just a normal three fifty seven revolver. The grip

1047
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,319
on it looks like a bowling ball and it is

1048
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:47,720
covered in sort of a red hex pattern with I

1049
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,560
assume that some sort of relevant molecule on the barrel.

1050
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,239
I don't know. It's probably adrenaline, actually, I think I

1051
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:53,920
could have guessed that.

1052
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 3: But we go back.

1053
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,520
Speaker 1: There's some other ones which are kind of more you

1054
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,920
know on the on the yeah, like you see the

1055
01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:03,760
like super you know, lightweight cuts just like hideous. And

1056
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,520
then also you have like this, you know, the Mongoose,

1057
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:11,119
which is again very expensive, but you know, kind of

1058
01:10:11,399 --> 01:10:14,880
traditional handsome. I assume it's you know, well made. I

1059
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,840
don't know anything about revolvers, to be perfectly honest, I

1060
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,079
think they're neat an.

1061
01:10:20,359 --> 01:10:24,520
Speaker 3: The action, the actions of a Coreth revolver, it is

1062
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,039
the smoothest thing that you'll ever encounter. It feels like

1063
01:10:28,119 --> 01:10:31,479
it's just a series of ball bearings that you're just

1064
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,079
rolling through. It is seamless and beautiful. You know that

1065
01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:38,800
that surprise trigger break that people talk about, that's what

1066
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,119
you get with with a Coreth revolver. They're incredible. But

1067
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:43,880
four grand, yes.

1068
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: And I mean, look like, if you got the money,

1069
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,399
I'm not going to stop you. I do not, Uh,

1070
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,840
you know, Carl, honestly, I guess we literally have done

1071
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:59,159
this before. Uh all right, I know I said I

1072
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:02,000
was going to react to chat. But that's a pretty

1073
01:11:02,039 --> 01:11:06,439
funny comment for those who wonder Russian Roulette with an

1074
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:11,640
automatic just isn't the same. I agree, But Carl, we

1075
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,720
should just do a show where you and I just

1076
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,520
go on Gunbroker for an hour.

1077
01:11:16,319 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 3: Wait, yeah, we must.

1078
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,079
Speaker 1: We must, because honestly, it's like, what are you gonna do?

1079
01:11:22,119 --> 01:11:26,039
Talk about the war again? It's still not you no good.

1080
01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 3: The only Russian rulette with an automatic that would that

1081
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,840
would have those kinds of odds would be you use

1082
01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:39,159
like thirty year old bottom barrel Russian twenty two l

1083
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:40,800
R cartridges.

1084
01:11:41,119 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: Or just using a regular like seacamp, right, yeah?

1085
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 3: Or what what's that zip gun from us