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move on. Didn't happen for Gallia Fi. We're ready to

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recap that. Vito mil Nikki did take advantage of the

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home crowd and things set up for him and won

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his ESPN Plus Top rank main event. We're going to

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recap all of that. We've got Canelo and Crawford meeting

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with the media in advance of their huge showdown later

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this year. That and a lot more on the Fight

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competent host TJ. Reeves, Hello, Big Dan rayphel our Insider

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Fight Preak, you Nit, the substack and the newsletter. Always

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good to be with you, my friend for all occasions

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and all reasons. Not exactly the most overwhelming weekend, but

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we did have some action that we are going to

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go over. How are things as we actually hit into

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the final week of June here as we released this

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coming up on the weekend, et cetera, the final weekend

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of action really in the month of June. How are

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you feeling PJ.

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Speaker 2: I'm always feeling good when I'm talking to you, my man.

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Speaker 1: I like that. We'll see if that holds for the

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seventeen years of age, both on the same day because

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pay per view card that also has Zerdo Ramirez and

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Dordakos for the Cruiserweight Unified title as the co feature.

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I will be out there and Big Dan. We will

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the Honda Center in Anaheim. We will go live on

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the YouTube page. Find us Live exclusively on YouTube nowhere else.

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That will also serve as the preview podcast later. But

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hear it and see it first. God willing with the

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technology on YouTube. So I'm gonna get out there amongst

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all of them. Mayhem in La La Land, not exactly Tinseltown,

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Anaheim is east. But when Jay Paul's around, it's a circus.

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I will be around the whole circus Thursday, So get

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ready for all of that here coming up Thursday live.

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nice stuff with Deontay Wilder, and a lot of people

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here from the half, here from Wilder, who will hear.

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Speaker 1: What he has to say? Is it gonna be any

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different starting on Friday night? Can this guy Tyrrell Herndon

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give him anything, threaten him in any way? We don't know,

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room dez own Main and Rayfield. This is like the

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fourth time or the fifth time that we've come in

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on the recap and say how did the favored fighter

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fighting in his homeland get beaten decisively. It happened again

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to gallia Phi. He got whipped in this fight with

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Speaker 2: Tell me more what happened he did, But I must say, TJ.

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this one not a shock to me. I mean, I

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thought you if I would win. I thought his freshness

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as a professional will combine with his incredibly deep in

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quality pedigree as an amateur, with the two Olympic appearances

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and a gold medal, even though he's the same age

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as Rodriguez, and the experienced level, certainly as a professional

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was in the favor of Rodriguez, who had ample experience

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been a unified champion in the straweight division. But you

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got to go back, literally like eleven years ago when

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he was a champion in the sharweight division, and every

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time he had stepped up and fought a lot of

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good fight spot Knakatani in a non title fight, fought Ioka,

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fought Donni Ni Edis. I mean, there's a whole slew

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of quality fighters he'd been in with, but he lost

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to those guys, and so this was like the stepping

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stone against a quality professional for Yafi to go from

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having knocked out and looked really great against Sonny Edwards

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in the previous fight where he knocked him out and

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sent Sonny off into retirement, which you know, in that

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fight he won this vacant interim WBC flyweight belt that

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he was defending against Rodriguez. It didn't turn out that

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he would not be denied. He had an engine that

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could not stop. And he made the point in his

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post fight comments that are translated from Spanish that the

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game plan was to do exactly that because they felt

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like that was the only way they could beat you Fi.

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otherwise they might be in some trouble. But it's easier

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said than done. He was in phenomenal condition, He had

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five rounds, it's probably like a three to two fight

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in favor of Rodriguez, and you're you know, it's a

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tight fight. Even though you Fi looked terrible in the

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first two rounds. He did start to get a little

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bit back into the fight. The problem was in the

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ensuing rounds. Every time you thought, oh, he's turned the corner,

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he's about to take over, he's going to get back

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into this thing, he would hit a wall and Rodriguez

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would come on and win the round and do some damage,

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and he just could never really truly get going. And

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Speaker 1: YEP.

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Speaker 2: We've discussed copybox many times. They've been tracking boxing matches

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for forty years in the history of the flyweight fights

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that they have tracked in forty years. Rodriguez landed five

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hundred and seventy five punches TJ. That broke the record

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for the most punches landed in a flyweight fight ever

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in their history. And he didn't just do it by

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like a couple of punches. He broke up by one

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hundred freaking punches. YEP. The previous record was Giovanni Segura,

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a former champion in the small weight classes, who landed

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four hundred and seventy four punches in a title eliminator

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against Hernon Marquez in twenty thirteen, which was out of

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a fight anyway. Rodriguez again was not going to be denied,

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and I think it got to a point for you,

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FI where he just sort of like he just didn't

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know how to deal with he had to deal with it.

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From his his ability was fine, but he just that

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the overwhelming tsunami of punches was too much.

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Speaker 1: I thought eighth round, ninth round, he looked so worn down,

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faded from the punishment. He couldn't get out of the way. Dan,

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he could not react and get out of the way

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whenever Rodriguez wanted to hit him. And those stats you're

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looking at over and over again, he's getting out landed,

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like thirty five to ten, thirty eight to twelve.

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Speaker 2: About this TJ in the round late in the fight.

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we're two huge rounds for you five compybox wise, Uh,

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Rodrigez landed in the seventh round fifty five punches he landed, Like,

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I mean, there were more punches being landed than Canelo

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landed in the entire fight against William Scup. I meant

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that round and I mean it was ridiculous. In the

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eighth round, you know, he was landing like, you know,

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sixty three of one hundred and five punches.

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and like every round after that. It's not like it

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was a it was a slug fast trade. It was

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he's out landing him by twenty twenty five punches. But

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down the stretch.

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Speaker 2: When that was happening, yef I was landing. I give you,

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if you were forget it, if you weren't watching what

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Rodriguez was doing. Yef I was landing his share of punches.

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he just kept firing and firing fire. Now, I will

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later stages of the fight that if I his corner,

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they did him a disservice because I feel like they

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should have probably stopped the fight because he was taking

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such a pounding his careers. Look, if you lose to

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a former champion, a quality professional like Rodriguez, you know,

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even if you're the favorite, is no shame in that.

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you know, he was the winner by decision back in

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the day, in a unification fight against Kattinari Takei Yama.

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I think that's who it was. That was the fight

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of the year in twenty fourteen. Like he's been involved

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in some big time type of fights, even if he's

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not known to everybody, this is a good, solid guy

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who has a shitload of experience as a professional. By

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the way, he had a handful of losses. The only

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time the dude ever got stopped was in two thousand

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and in a non title fight in twenty thirteen by

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Roman Chocolate Theo Gonzalz. He's one of the most supreme

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punchers in the history of the smaller weight classes. So

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that's the only guy that ever knocked him out. And

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Speaker 1: Guys, and we had a twelfth round knockdown and you

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could hear even on the commentary Adam Smith on his

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tal ready to throw it in. Yeah, that's to stop

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the fight.

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known for having been the trainer for many years and

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leading him to the heavyweight title an in the Joshua

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not not allowing to take that kind of punishment, because

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he was just about done. Now to f I credit,

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you got to tip the cap to him. Man. You

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guys showed an amazing amount of heart and will to

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be able to make it to the final bell. He

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showed just amazing resolve and uh and like I said,

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he made it up and he took it all. But

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he comes back after that, you know. And then by

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the way they both were cut, you know over their eye,

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they both you know, there was blood flowing freely from

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the cut, particularly from the cut that was suffered by Rodriguez, uh,

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you know, down the side of his face and stuff

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like that. You know, there was a great photograph I

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used on my subject where you see the bandage they

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put out after the fight and the blood is still

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trickling down, you know, after he had been banded bandaged up.

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So you know that was a put it like this,

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It's not gonna win like the Fight of the Year award,

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you know what I mean, But it's going to be

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in that in that list of tremendous battles because despite

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the fact that it was somewhat one sided in terms

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of the scoring, the rounds were largely competitive other than

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a few that we mentioned, and it was one hell

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of an action fight. Uh. And again, as I mentioned,

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Rodriguez is no stranger to action fights, because if you've

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been in a Fight of the year the way he

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was against Takayama in twenty fourteen, you know that he's

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got that in. I mean, if you never saw that fight,

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by the way, and you became a fan, let's say,

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of Rodriguez from watching the fight that took place on Saturday,

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you should go and look for the Takeyama. That was

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a tremendous bat.

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Speaker 1: Love your tips. And yet again we see a Mexican

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fighter come over in a match room show. What is this?

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Is this seven, twelve, twenty nine times? I mean this

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in the last few years, over and over again that

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there's a fight on fight.

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Speaker 2: We were discussing that with a few folks were chiming

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in because I made a comment about that on Twitter

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and our ex and people were writing back that were

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like coming up with different example Mauricio Lara going over

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there and Jose Felix against Gary Cully. This fight obviously

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that just happened. It wasn't in the UK. But when

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you know Andy Ruiz, a Mexican Mexican American defeated Anthony

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Joshua on a Mattro McCard in New York, I mean,

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there's there's so many it's kind of getting ridiculous at

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this point.

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Speaker 1: So a big, big night for Francisco Rodriguez and where

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does your fi go from here after that beating and

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we will find out, we'll see a fight.

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Speaker 2: Let's discuss though, just real quick, the future for Rodriguez.

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The reason why this was a significant fight. First of all,

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he went overseas from Mexico to fight him in his

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hometown in Birmingham, England, and that was because Matt from

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Boxing won the purse bid for the fight. But the

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reason why he decided to do that Number one, you're

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getting a chance to fight for the interim belt. But

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that's not the relevant part. The important part is now

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he is the mandatory. Now I've discussed this with you

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before in the WBC. Just because you're the interim title,

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does not you have the interim title, does not mean

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you are the mandatory. In this particular instance, he is

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the mandatory because they said that at the convention, and

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just to make sure, just a double check. When I

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was writing my piece, I was messaging with Mauricio Suliman

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after the fight. He was in Saudi Arabia for the

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WBC's Grand pre Tournament with the Prospects, and he did

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reiterate and conferm to me that indeed, the winner, which

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in this case was Rodriguez, will be the next WBC challenger,

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and that will be for the winner of the fight

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between the unified WBC WBA champion ken Shiro Taraji, who

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was scheduled to fight a optional defense against Ricardo Raphael

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Sandoval that will take place on July thirty. Then if

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you listened to Rodriguez's comments, he said, look, you know, Taraji,

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give me a call when you're done with your fight

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in July. Let's get it on. And so that will

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be the next fight, assuming that Taraji does not vacate,

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because Sandoval is the winner of that obligation inherited. So

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it's that. Let me tell you right now, TJ. Taraji

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Higgins Rodriguez will.

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Speaker 1: Be getting your popcorn, get your popcorn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be. That'll be a fucking barn burner. I

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guarantee that.

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Speaker 1: Well we look for that, especially with the way that

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he went to England and put it on you five.

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Speaker 2: So there is you really did.

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Speaker 1: That's the fight from earlier in the afternoon our time,

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USA time on Saturday, so later Saturday night, in the

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main event, the middleweight main event, Vito mil Niki defeats

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Camille guard Zelek, the Polish fighter basically a shutout, knocked

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him down. I have to confess I've seen the highlights,

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I have not seen the full fight. Listen, anybody that

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listened to you in the preview mode on this pod

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or on the bet Us show, you didn't have a

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whole lot good to say about mel Niki other than

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being a nice guy. And he tries all right, so

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he wins the main event. Did he impress you a

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little bit? Is this just what we thought with the

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Polish fighter who had never fought outside of Poland, didn't

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give him very much? What is your assessment of the

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mal Niki win again with the understanding he's only twenty

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three years old. What about it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in my assessment is nothing really changes. I mean

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he's a hard working guy. I don't take that away

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from he brought a nice crowd out to his hometown

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or you know, not hometown, but in that he's a

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New Jersey fighter. You know, as he said in his

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post an interview, one of his dreams was the headline

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at the Newark Prudential Center, where he'd seen, you know,

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and been at fights involving Thomas Adamack, for example, who

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was the light heavyweight and later cruiserweight champion, big you know,

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Polish popular superstar fighter. You mentioned when you introduced a

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segment about the fight that he basically shut out Guardzillik.

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He didn't basically shut him out. He did shut him out.

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It was one hundred to eighty nine on all three scorecards.

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The extra point was because a guy like Melnicky that

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we discussed in the preview does not blessed with a

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lot of power. He discribed a knockdown in the third round.

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He landed a couple of nice right hands and put

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Guardzelick on his rear end. So that was the extra

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point in that case, and again he was in with

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a guy that had no particular accomplishment, that never faced anybody.

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He was coming to fight in the United States for

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the first time, and he lost every single round. And

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it wasn't like they were even that competitive because Milnicky

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just was a superior boxer and did flash a little

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bit of the power. So maybe after that third round knockdown,

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whatever issues Guardzelick was happening having, maybe he decided, you

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know what, I felt those two shots and let me

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play it a little safe. I don't want to get

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touched with those punches. Again. It wasn't a particularly good fight.

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And you know, for mil Nicky, you know, he got

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paid a good amount whatever he made, probably very low

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six figures for the fight. He'll move on to do

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something else. I don't know what it's going to be, though,

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because you know, he's in kind of no man's lane.

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He's not really a contender. He can't really call him

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a prospect, so I'm not sure what top rank does

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with him. He's sort of like in that limbo where

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he's probably not good enough to really fight for the title.

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He could fight for, but you want to have a

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guy with the oper If he's gonna get the opportunity,

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you want to put him in a position where he

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can actually win. I don't think anybo would give him

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a shot whatsoever against a guy like Jannebec. So you look

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at who you know the other middleweights at top rank

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has they do have other middleweights Janneback being that, you know,

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the unified champion. They do have Troy Eisley Olympian. You know,

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he's making his way, He's still a prospect. He's certainly

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got a big amateur background, certainly compared to what nol

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Nicky has done as a professional. He's already got like

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some decent wins. And the other guy, and we'll talk

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about him in a minute, which is the undercard winner,

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which was Jehi Tucker, who's also a middleweight that's in

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that top rank stable of fighter. So and also we've

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talked many times. Although I don't think it's happening anytime soon,

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there was the prospect of maybe because they fought on

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the same card together, that they would try to match

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mil Ninky at some point with Xander Zias, but mail

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Nikki elected to go to one hundred and sixty pounds.

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You have Zias who was still in the one hundred

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and fifty four pound weight least. He is fighting in

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July for a world championship, so he's not moving up

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anytime soon. So you gotta kind of look around and

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see what's out there for him. But it'll probably be

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another sort of similar kind of fight like this. I

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would think something well.

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Speaker 1: But as you just alluded to, maybe it is the

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winner of the co feature fight Jehi Tucker. First of all,

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I didn't say this at the outset, but I noticed

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it because I saw a couple of rounds of the

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Tucker Simpson co feature fight. Rayfield, What was up with

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that ring size?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think I think that ring was smaller than my kitchen,

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and my kitchen ain't that big. I don't live in

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a mansion.

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Speaker 2: I got a big kitchen.

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Speaker 1: I mean you could take like three these steps and

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be almost diagonally across the ring.

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Speaker 2: And what was it that ring it was? I don't

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know what the exact dimensions were, but I have to

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believe it was the smallest you could have within the

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legal regulation.

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Speaker 1: So is that typically like sixteen feet by sixteen feet?

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Speaker 2: I would say more than that it's supposed to be.

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I think eighteen by eighteen. That's inside the rope, So

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you know, just put it in context. It may not

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seem like a lot, but it is if you ever

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look at them sort of side by side. In most places,

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like if you're in Nevada, for example, the normal ring

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size is twenty by twenty and there are variations that

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can be a little less, little more depending on what

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the regulations. And if you remember when Canello Albarees saw

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Billy Joe Saunders, there was a lot of hubbub about

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what's the ring size Billy Joe Wantegger I think it

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was twenty two by twenty two was the max eighteen

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by eighteen I think was the least. In the end,

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it was a very small ring. It certainly did not

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help in terms of the action for most of these

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fights because it was a Lacklusser kind of card. But

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in terms of Tucker, look he's he was a guy

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that had a ton of hype, as did Lorenzo Simpson,

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his opponent. Both of them did not necessarily live up

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to it. They suffered losses, and it's okay if you lose,

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but they lost in a manner which was sort of

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like surprising because it wasn't like if they were both

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undefeated and they lost to each other, they're like, oh,

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they lost to another good quality prospect. But the losses

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that they took were not to those types of fighters,

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if that makes sense. Like when when they lost, they

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were losing to like guys that were like, what are

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you doing losing on that dude? You know, like when

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when Tucker lost Nicholas Flas is a decent fighter and

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he was ten and two. He was a big underdog

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and he beat Tucker for example. It was a majority decision,

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was close, but Tucker had no business losing that fight,

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in my opinion. So they go in there, Look, they

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had traded a lot of barbs on social media. They

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try to bake it out like there was some kind

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of tremendous bad blood. I never really bought that. Of course,

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when the fight was over, they hugged it out and said,

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you know, it was just business, and they were you know,

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they respect each other and this and that. You know,

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two guys not necessarily going anywhere, but trying to give

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their effort. Maybe Talker can get a little momentum going

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after a win like this. He did win a close fight.

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He was ninety seven to ninety three on the two

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score cards, ninety six to ninety four on the other, TJ.

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I must confess to you, I did not watch this

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one closely. I was kind of getting attle bored and

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I had other stuff. I was still watch my story

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about the about what occurred in thefi and Rodriguez fight. So,

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you know, it is what it is. They're still younger

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enough where maybe they can do something. And as far

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as Lorenzo Simpson, who came out with a huge amount

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of hype because of his association in the camp with

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Tank Davis, he's been just a massive disappointment at the

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end of the day, That's all there is to it.

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Speaker 1: And he got beat. So maybe it is Tucker and

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mel Nikkio. But of course, these things, you know, require logic.

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Speaker 2: I'd I'd be surprised if that was the next fight,

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to be honest.

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Speaker 1: But what else is out there for either one of them?

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Speaker 2: Why not have a right they could do another fight

475
00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:51,079
like they just did where they bring in you know, one,

476
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,319
hundreds of thousands of dollars in gate money for Veto

477
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:54,839
to fight you or me or anybody else.

478
00:21:55,799 --> 00:21:56,839
Speaker 1: I won't be fighting Veto.

479
00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah one, make one sixty either.

480
00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:02,279
Speaker 1: H No, I don't think you. You haven't been one

481
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,440
sixty for a long time, and I'm trying to think

482
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,359
the last time that I was one sixty now that

483
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,240
I'm in my mid fifties, and it was it was

484
00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:12,440
before Milnikki and Johee Tucker.

485
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 2: Were born, so I should hope.

486
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,839
Speaker 1: So, okay, so there are the recaps of this weekend.

487
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,960
Let's get to some news. We had not just one,

488
00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:24,599
but a couple of press conferences for Canelo and Crawford

489
00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:28,960
kicking off the media tour, first in Saudi Arabia and

490
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,559
then on Sunday, as we do this Sunday night and

491
00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:35,480
a Monday in New York. Okay, so give me your impressions.

492
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:36,960
I got a couple of things I want to add.

493
00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:40,960
We still have like ninety days before they're fighting, but

494
00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:41,359
give me.

495
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 2: They're in the press start right now. So yeah, like

496
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,799
you said, they're doing a three a three city tour

497
00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:48,960
kicked off on Friday in ri Ed. They moved on

498
00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:51,279
to New York City to the to the fans, the

499
00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:53,720
Fanatics fan Fest that was a huge thing with all

500
00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:57,240
sports you know, collectibles and autographs and this and that

501
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,240
that Fanatics does at the Javit Center, and then they'll

502
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,319
take a few days and then they'll be during next

503
00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:05,000
week they'll be out in UH. I forget what date is,

504
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,839
but it's next week in Las Vegas at the Team

505
00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:09,759
Obile Arena. That is, I think in conjunction with a

506
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,319
UH there's say fi UFC type of event, okay, or

507
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,640
something like that. Anyway, So look, I thought the press

508
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,480
covers was pretty good. Here's the thing about it, though,

509
00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:22,279
there's no real reason for them to be fighting each other.

510
00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:27,160
We all know that, Okay, there was no natural rivalry.

511
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,759
They've never been in the same weight class. At the

512
00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:34,640
same time, they don't have, you know, some third person

513
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,000
that that they have a rivalry with that they beat,

514
00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:38,960
that they can make like the trio of fights like

515
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,519
a you know, George Foreman and a Muhammad Ali and

516
00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:44,640
a Joe Fraser and they're completing the trilogy, so you know,

517
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,119
the round robin so to speak. There was no natural

518
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,599
reason other than Terrence Crawford decided I want to, you know,

519
00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:56,119
get the opportunity to become undisputed in a third weight class. Obviously,

520
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,839
you can make the biggest payday by multiples that I've

521
00:23:58,839 --> 00:24:01,920
ever made. It will be a big event. I am

522
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,640
fighting another all time great. Canello didn't want this fight,

523
00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:07,920
come a long time to take it. Eventually, Turkey y'll

524
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,839
chic made him an off freequent't reviews as I like

525
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,559
to say. I keep thinking of like the you know,

526
00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:15,720
your typical movie whatever it is, and they're doing the fight,

527
00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:19,680
but there was no real, like brewing animosity between these fights.

528
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:23,799
But it's still tickled the fancy, let's say, of like

529
00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:27,480
the fantasy boxing player, like where you're thinking about these

530
00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:31,279
two greats matching up, but you might not see it

531
00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:33,519
as a real thing because they're separated by so much weight.

532
00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:36,160
But with Crawford moving up to the jingior middleweight division,

533
00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:38,559
we're winning a title in a tough fight against Magemov

534
00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:39,839
and then saying Okay, now I'm going to go to

535
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,720
super midleweight. He's sort of sort of like, okay, I'm

536
00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:44,680
sort of interested. But now the question is can they

537
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,079
really sell it? Can they really get people the mainstream

538
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,839
under the tent, so to speak, to make it as

539
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,000
big as possible so Netflix will get its money's worth

540
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,000
because they're spending a fortune to put on this event

541
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,240
on a non pay review basis. So I felt like

542
00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:01,599
they kind of liked the press conference in the Saudi

543
00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:06,039
Arabia because they showed the proper difference to each other.

544
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,480
They were polite and respectful, coming on the hills of

545
00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:12,519
their dinner they had the previous night with turkeylo sheep,

546
00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:14,640
which I didn't care for seeing the photographic.

547
00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: I saw that, and as to God, when I saw it,

548
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,799
I thought it was photoshopped. Now I'm like, are they

549
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,079
really in the same room having dinner the night before

550
00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:22,480
the press conference? I guess so.

551
00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: And they made the point during the press conference when

552
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:27,240
asked about that exact thing. They were asked about that

553
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:29,480
on the Sunday presser in New York and they're like, look,

554
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,799
we're professionals, but that has nothing to do with what

555
00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:33,920
happens when the bell ring. We're there to win, basically,

556
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:36,440
it's what they were saying. But anyway, so at at

557
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,000
Friday's press conference, Canelo, you know, they were making their

558
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:41,880
bravado and their boats and this and that, but they

559
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,720
did in a respectful way where you know, Canelo basically

560
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:48,079
like kind of talked down to Crawford like you're no different.

561
00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:49,920
I don't see anything different about you. Because he's obviously

562
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,680
got a track record of a mile long of a

563
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:55,640
top notch fighters. He's defeated and faced over all these years,

564
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,839
and Crawford's like, you know, very very very confident. He's like, well,

565
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,720
you never seen me. They kind of hit the right notes,

566
00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:05,079
is the point I'm making. So okay, that was kind

567
00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:06,839
of good. I kind of liked that. Then they went

568
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,720
to New York and now the New York one. In

569
00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:11,119
Saudi Arabia, it was a much more sort of refined.

570
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,119
There wasn't like a big wild crowd. It was restricted

571
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,640
mainly to like the local folks there and a handful

572
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,640
of press. When they got to New York, it was

573
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,200
open to the public and they were doing it in

574
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,039
front of like a giant crowd that was attending the

575
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:25,400
fan fest that I mentioned, and there was a lot

576
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:31,079
more enthusiasm, let's say, a lot more Rockus. And on

577
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,880
top of that, you know Dana White, who was the

578
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,920
promoter of the event, you know, the face let's say,

579
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,720
in terms of the promotion, he was not at the

580
00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:41,039
fight at the press carts that was in Saudi Arabia

581
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:43,400
because UFC had an event that he was like an

582
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,319
azer Bajan doing their fight night. But he made it

583
00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:49,000
to New York and so he was sort of the

584
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,119
They did an opening part of it where Turkey took

585
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,519
some questions and then he basically turned everything over to

586
00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:56,119
Dana and so to see Dana White, that was the

587
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,279
first ever like real boxing press carts he had ever overseen.

588
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:02,319
And as the point, I'm making my sort of promotional

589
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,000
debut at a boxing event with the biggest fight that

590
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:07,720
you can make in the sport. Okay, fair enough, And

591
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:09,519
you know what, Dana is an engaging guy. I mean,

592
00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:11,799
I've watched some of his activities with his UFC stuff,

593
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:14,160
even though I don't really follow UFC closely. But the

594
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,319
dude can sell a fucking fight, that's the bottom line.

595
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,240
And he knows what he's doing when he got two

596
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,799
athletes who are going to get ready to bash each

597
00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:23,680
other's faces in so he did his job. The fighters

598
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,759
were even a little bit more amped up than they

599
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:29,799
were at the Friday press conference. There was some pushing

600
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:30,319
and shoving.

601
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: Yea on the stairs down.

602
00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 2: I don't really feel like that, Yeah, but he got

603
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,079
the fans excited, and at the end of the day,

604
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:39,039
that's what it's about. No one's gonna believe that they

605
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:41,079
hate each other or anything like that. But I also

606
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,119
can say this, and I can say this from personal experience, TJ.

607
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,400
Because I have covered the entire career of both fighters

608
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,759
since they've become anything known. I remember watching both guys

609
00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:52,960
when they were prospects. I've been around both of them.

610
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,960
I've been at many of their fights. I've interviewed them

611
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,079
countless times. The one thing they have in common is

612
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,920
they have deep, deep, deep, deep belief in themselves and

613
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,319
their ability to win, and that they are winners at heart,

614
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:08,160
and they don't like to lose. And they are as

615
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,160
competitive as anybody like They would race you to see

616
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,599
whould get out the door first. You know. They remind

617
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,720
me no one will ever be like this. But they

618
00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:17,599
have that Michael Jordan thing where they would compete with

619
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,839
you and check or whatever it is you pick, whatever

620
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,480
the you know, you name it.

621
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: They would jail Earnhardt Sr. In Nascar, who would run

622
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,279
you over and or throw you out a window. So

623
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:30,880
that is whatever to try to win.

624
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: That is the mentality that both of these men bring

625
00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:36,759
to this fight. And so that's a good thing. But

626
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,839
to me, the biggest thing about the Sunday Press coverts

627
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:42,559
was and it was sort of alluded to it a

628
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,519
social media post that Turkey had done on Saturday night,

629
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:47,599
I think it was Saturday Night where he posted a

630
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,480
photograph of what was an old HBO PR photo of

631
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:55,599
Jim Lampley and Max Kellerman at ringside. Obviously they spend

632
00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:58,160
many years as broadcast partners calling the HBO fights. Well,

633
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,000
we all know that Turkey hired Jim Lampley to come

634
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:02,680
back and be at ringside for the first time in

635
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,400
seven years, and he stuck on ringside to do the

636
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,720
Times squarecard and everybody was, you know, pretty much I

637
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,799
think happy to see Jim back in action, and he

638
00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:11,359
did a hell of a job on that fight considering

639
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:13,200
he had to call the fight for seven years. But

640
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:14,519
Max has been nowhere to be seen.

641
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:14,599
Speaker 1: Now.

642
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,279
Speaker 2: I've been friends with Max twenty five years, and even

643
00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:18,000
I have had limited contact with him over the last

644
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,160
couple years because ever since he was unceremoniously booted out

645
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,200
of the ESPN, he has had when I say, no

646
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:28,680
public profile, no public profile, no interviews, no appearances, no

647
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:31,920
socially had one social media post I checked, actually he

648
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,079
had since since the post, since since he posted about

649
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,160
Terrence Crawford defeating Errol Spence. In July of twenty twenty three,

650
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,559
he had one social media post incident was NBA related.

651
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,880
So he has been completely Now I have, you know,

652
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,400
communicated with him, but not like an interview situation. I'm

653
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,519
just making the point that he's been nowhere in the public.

654
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,519
Speaker 1: He got right now he's now going to be involved.

655
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: Well, so here's the thing. So, so Dana White brought,

656
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,880
you know, introduced Max as that this is the introduction

657
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,640
of the first number of our broadcast team for this

658
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,640
fight on Netflix. Now, the assumption, of course, given Turkeys

659
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:11,880
having hired Lampley for the card in the Times Square,

660
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:14,920
the fact that he tweeted the photo of Max and

661
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,200
Jim working ringside together at an HBO fight that was

662
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:23,559
taken several years ago, and the fact that they've been

663
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,400
partners for a long time, you got to figure that

664
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,319
when he posted that photo, you know, he's sort of

665
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:29,759
getting the band back together. And so if that's the case,

666
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:32,200
that would be phenomenal to have Jim Calling not only

667
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,119
be back at ringside, but be doing so with Max,

668
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,000
who is obviously a very talented broadcaster in boxing is

669
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:39,720
his first love. Even though he's opined and discussed plenty

670
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:43,359
of other sports. So Max came out and it was

671
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,000
like he hadn't missed a day behind the mic in

672
00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:48,640
the two years he's been off the grid, because he

673
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,160
came out and he gave what I thought was a

674
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:54,200
very very good sort of brief historical dissertation about why

675
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,799
this was a meaningful fight and why this meant so much.

676
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,200
They talked about how you know, in the history of boxing,

677
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,279
there might be thirty guys who could proclaim themselves or

678
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:04,079
that the public and the press had proclaimed as the

679
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,000
pound for pound king, and in his opinion, the current

680
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,559
pound for pound king is Terrence Crawford, and the previous

681
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:12,519
pound for pound king was Canelo Alvarez, and that rarely

682
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:15,400
in boxing history have you seen the current pound for

683
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,759
pound against the previous pound for pound fighting each other

684
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,319
in a high stakes kind of fight, especially given that's

685
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:23,519
for the undisputed status. I was like, that's a pretty

686
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:26,799
intelligent comment. And then he asked both fighters some questions

687
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:28,960
and I was like, Hey, Max is back. So I

688
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,319
had already seen Crawford and Canelo together on Friday, so

689
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,880
I was thrilled to see Kellerman back in action. He's

690
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,400
going to be calling the fight, and I'm super happy

691
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,799
about that. That was I thought a really a really

692
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:42,599
cool thing. It doesn't shock me. I'm glad they got

693
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,880
him to do the fight, and so it'll be good

694
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:47,839
to have him back at ringside.

695
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: No, I realized these guys are selling the fight. They're

696
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:52,880
doing what they can couple quick things because we just

697
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,720
keep it real, We have our own takes. We do

698
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:58,079
this independently. This fight would sell whether Dana White was

699
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:00,799
involved with it or not. So I don't buy into

700
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:03,240
all it's gonna be so much bigger of a fight

701
00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:06,400
because he's promoting. You know, I'm not saying I'm not

702
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,920
saying that you're saying that. I'm just saying that, for

703
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:12,000
all the attention about him being involved, this fight would

704
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:14,839
sell itself. This fight would sell it if my twins

705
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,160
were promoting it. And I do think social media.

706
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,759
Speaker 2: I do that's what Dana's presence brings you and me. Yes,

707
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,039
the boxing cognizant right, Yes, doesn't matter to the person

708
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:30,359
who might watch one or two fights a year, or

709
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:32,599
only wants to watch the biggest events. They watched the

710
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:35,000
super Bowl, they watched the Olympics. They might watch the

711
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:38,000
National Championship in football or basketball. Maybe they'll watch if

712
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,519
there's like game seven of one of the big sports

713
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:43,720
something like that. And so if they don't know about

714
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,559
the fight, knowing that Dana White has ends on all

715
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,720
kinds of mainstream media and is loud and can sell

716
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:55,519
things and has that outgoing personality, that that attention will

717
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,839
maybe bring in additional people under the tent. And they're

718
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,119
they're selling the fight, but not really because it's on

719
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,599
pay per view. They want everybody to watch Netflix, of course,

720
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,400
and everybody, not everybody, about one hundred million people argue

721
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:06,000
that end.

722
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: My second point is this stuff about the knockout bonus,

723
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:15,079
which they've had forever in UFCU. Sorry, these guys are

724
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:18,240
making the belief is they're going to be making fifty

725
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:20,599
million dollars each in that ballpark.

726
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: Is the belief, Well, I I don't know what belief

727
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,559
you're talking about, but that's not I mean, nobody truly

728
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:26,880
knows what it is. But it's fuck loaded.

729
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: It's it's it's the belief to be fifteen million dollars each.

730
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,799
Speaker 2: Because you're wrong about that, because they're not getting parity.

731
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:36,480
I guarantee you on anything you want to bet that.

732
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:38,559
Kenelabbs is making multiple Maybe he is.

733
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: All right, so maybe he's maybe he's making sixty and

734
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,519
uh and Crawford's making fifty. Maybe he's making sixty five

735
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:48,759
and Crawford's making forty five. That it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.

736
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,240
So a knockout bonus, no one cares.

737
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: No.

738
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not going to be a twenty million

739
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,440
dollar knockout bonus. Which do you matter?

740
00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:58,279
Speaker 2: You know what the bonus is, but we haven't heard

741
00:33:58,319 --> 00:33:58,720
what they know.

742
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,279
Speaker 1: What I know what it's not. It's it's not going

743
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:02,000
to be twenty million dollars. It's not gonna be It's

744
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,960
not Worch money. It's Turkey's money. Turkey has got more money, okay,

745
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:06,839
but it's not gonna be a twenty million or ten

746
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,159
million dollar knockout bonus. This knockout bonus stuff.

747
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you one thing, and maybe maybe I'm

748
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,760
fighting a luna. They haven't said with the number. Is

749
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:18,679
if Turkey said, if there's a knockout, the winner gets

750
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:20,400
a ten million dollar bonus. I swear to God, I

751
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,719
wouldn't be shocked by that because he does things like that.

752
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,760
I mean, the money it comes from the government. They

753
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,679
have trillions and trillions of dollars at their disposal, So

754
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,599
if they want to make this the biggest thing, maybe

755
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:33,360
they will make some kind of huge matter. But anyway,

756
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,400
it's so interesting because it might provide a lead, like

757
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:39,039
if Canelo knew we could get another couple of million

758
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:42,920
dollars who loves.

759
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,159
Speaker 1: I don't think it matters to either one of them.

760
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,880
They just want to win the fight. They they have legacies,

761
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,800
they have Hall of Fame careers, They're being paid ridiculous

762
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,280
amounts of money. I don't think it matters. That's just

763
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:51,719
my take.

764
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 2: I think it. I think it it it it is.

765
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:57,519
It can't hurt number one except for the guy who

766
00:34:57,559 --> 00:34:58,199
gets knocked out.

767
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: He should have given Canelo a five millillion dollar knockout

768
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,679
bonus for the Skull fight to see what would happen.

769
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,920
Is that would have been a test.

770
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: But okay, listen, I could have done in the Mongia

771
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,480
fight instead of having them carry him to the final bill.

772
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: Okay and uh. And the other thing with all of

773
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,719
this is we still have a lot of time. This

774
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,480
just started, all of it, and who knows, who knows

775
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:20,760
over the next ninety days and trying to get to September.

776
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:23,320
This is just the beginning, and it's only June. We

777
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,519
have the whole rest of the summer to get to this.

778
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 2: And you see that that's happening. We're talking about the

779
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:27,800
press workers.

780
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: They got another press they got another press conference later

781
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,960
this week, and it's going to be a lot of

782
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,199
the same stuff again.

783
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 2: But it's starting to This is the whole purpose of

784
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,360
having a longer runway of a promotion. Get the fans

785
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,039
talking about you.

786
00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about it, back with it. Like you mentioned,

787
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,360
we're hardcore, We're gonna talk about it anyway.

788
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:47,559
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing, TJJ hold on. If they were

789
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:51,199
not doing press conferences on Friday and on Sunday, we

790
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,199
would probably not be talking about the fight.

791
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,159
Speaker 1: But if they only my point is if they only

792
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:56,960
did the one on Friday, we would still have talked

793
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,039
about it on this okay for us, for us, and

794
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:02,320
I totally get why they're doing it. I understand the

795
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,639
business of why they're doing it. But one thing that

796
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,880
I will also put in though, is that some of

797
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,599
this is needless in that when the press tours used

798
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:14,239
to take place all over the place, multiple cities. You've

799
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,119
talked about haglarn Hearns going to all those different cities,

800
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:19,480
and they got so sick of each other and so

801
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,519
sick of doing it. It's more of like an eighties, nineties,

802
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:27,360
pre internet, pre social media whatever. Almost anybody that cares

803
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,920
right now has seen the social media videos, has seen

804
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,000
the hype. And I don't know, this is just me

805
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:34,719
saying this. You don't have to do a second one

806
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,280
or a third one right now. You know what, I've

807
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,920
already seen that everybody.

808
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: I see, I do disagree with that. And here's why. Yes,

809
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,280
obviously they're looking when they do the press conferences, whether

810
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,559
it's in read or New York or Las Vegas, they're

811
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:49,960
looking to get the clip that they can put up

812
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,719
a thirty second thing on whatever platform and have it

813
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,880
go viral. However, there's something to be said for the

814
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,320
people that pay attention daily to these things, watch the

815
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,599
supposed animosities. Maybe not between these two guys, but I'm

816
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:06,599
talking about just in general generically, watched the emotion simmer

817
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:08,719
over the course of a few days. And I am

818
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,559
convinced one thousand percent because even back when Canelo was

819
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,679
fighting like Floyd Mayweather, for example, there was still social

820
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,400
media back then there were still plenty of people watching

821
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,599
internet videos and this and that, but that was still this.

822
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: Generation that years ago. It's not that it's not the

823
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:24,440
same as what it is.

824
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: What I'm saying it is just everywhere they they gave

825
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,679
the fans in those cities a chance to go and

826
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,440
see them for free and see the show, and they

827
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,599
turned out and every single place they went, they filled

828
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:39,159
up whatever venue they were at. And the thing about it,

829
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:42,159
it was so much fun that those people. If you're

830
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:44,639
sitting watching it on your screen, you're not necessarily gonna

831
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:46,920
go tell your buddy, you're not gonna necessarily talk about

832
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,840
it at work. But the people that turned out to

833
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,000
these press conferences, like I went to the one in Washington,

834
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:53,599
I saw how excited everybody was. Every single one of

835
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:56,079
those people probably went home and said something to their buddy,

836
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:57,760
to their for their friend, to their brother.

837
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: In you're living in ten years ago. In the present,

838
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,480
everybody sins you're missing No, no, I got your point,

839
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,280
I disagree with you. In the present, everybody sends everybody

840
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,559
the video clip on their phone immediately. This ain't twenty fourteen,

841
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,920
much less twenty oh four or two thousand is not

842
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:25,440
the same. It's not even really close to the same.

843
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,320
Social media has completely overwhelmed all other form of media.

844
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,679
It's instantaneous there, it's.

845
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 2: Everyone, and you gain the emotion and you feel it

846
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,079
again to talk to your people about.

847
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:40,639
Speaker 1: But that's for a limited number of people. Whoever was

848
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:43,599
at that Fanatics thing is not near the people that

849
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,519
saw it on social media and shared it, not even close.

850
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:49,079
It's a fraction of who saw it. We're in an

851
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:54,679
instantaneous world where everybody sees everything instantaneously.

852
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,199
Speaker 2: It's still good to go do those activities.

853
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: But it's not as important, and it's not as important

854
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,360
to do it a second time or a third time

855
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,280
ninety days out of the FIR.

856
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,519
Speaker 2: The reason why it is is because although the press

857
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:11,159
conference on Friday was certainly interesting, there was no viral

858
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:13,559
moment from that press covers, but there was from the

859
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:16,760
one on Sunday, having them bring out Dana, having them

860
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,159
bring out Kellerman, having them get into whatever contrived scuffle

861
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:22,320
there was. Whatever you want to say, that was different

862
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,840
than what we saw on Friday, and we'll want.

863
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: My counter is then have one press conference and bring

864
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,039
out Dana, bring out Kellerman, and have them scuffle at

865
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:32,320
the one.

866
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,519
Speaker 2: Well, they weren't in Saudi Arabia. I mean, why why

867
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:35,920
do you care how many press covers they do.

868
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,639
Speaker 1: I'm just pointing out that it's needless. I did it,

869
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:40,960
and I think I did a pretty good job of

870
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,400
pointing out why it's needless. It's certainly needless for a

871
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,480
third one already. And it's still ninety days before the fight.

872
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,079
It's not nineteen ninety four. We have the Internet, social

873
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:52,599
media is everywhere.

874
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:56,079
Speaker 2: I mean, there's still something to the example.

875
00:39:56,079 --> 00:40:00,519
Speaker 1: Perfect example. We're doing this live right now today on

876
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:03,920
Sunday night, while Game seven of the NBA Finals is

877
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,079
going on all right Oklahoma City and Indiana. For basketball fans,

878
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:12,599
Indiana's best player, Tyrese Halliburton, blew his achilles out, most

879
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:16,480
likely in the first quarter of the game, instantaneously, Ray Peel.

880
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:24,000
That was everywhere with millions and millions and millions of shares, impressions, whatever,

881
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:28,719
when he did that everywhere the postgame press conference telling

882
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,320
us that he blew his achilles out doesn't really matter.

883
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,239
We all already know exact example I'm talking about. This

884
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,440
is the age that we now live in.

885
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: Well, this is there's something different when you're when you're.

886
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that in the moment when you're looking

887
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:47,559
for the the this moment, they got it. They got

888
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:48,559
it on social media.

889
00:40:48,639 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: It's not But you know what, at the postfight press cards,

890
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,920
Dell have known he may have suffered an injury, but

891
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,519
they're going to know how he feels. What's the update,

892
00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:57,159
what's the what's the that's.

893
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: That's different that term. But in terms of what happened

894
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,719
and what everybody's reaction, they've.

895
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: Already to tell you what TJ. Then you know when

896
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,639
they do the press, Corrents and Timo, you don't have

897
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:05,440
to watch it? How about that?

898
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: And guess what. I didn't watch the first two and

899
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,000
I won't watch the third. Okay, I'll just listen to

900
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:12,519
you talk about how wonderful they are because you will.

901
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:15,159
Speaker 2: By the way, if the Press Coverents stunk, i'd say

902
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:16,639
so because trust me, brother, I've been to a lot

903
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:16,920
of shit.

904
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,599
Speaker 1: I know you have, and you've had to deal with them.

905
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 2: There's a lot of terrible ones I've been.

906
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: Especially if the food is bad, shall we move on?

907
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: I don't care about that at the press converence. The

908
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:24,639
food's never good at a press.

909
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: I want the food to be good at the Jake

910
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,960
Paulman that I'm coming up to because I might be hungry.

911
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:29,760
But then again they may not even feed us. I

912
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,880
don't know. We'll find out in Anaheim later in a week.

913
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,960
All right, One more news item here, and that is

914
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:40,159
the IBF, as you like to say, doing IBF things.

915
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,440
They now have a final heavyweight eliminator. It says on

916
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,679
my rundown for FAA Jagma and now Frank Sanchez, the

917
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,320
number three and four fighters in their rankings. What is why?

918
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,280
What what are we doing here? What are we doing here?

919
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:57,480
What is this? What does this matter? Why does this matter?

920
00:41:57,559 --> 00:41:58,280
At the moment? Go?

921
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: Well, I mean because number one, the IBF sent out

922
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,639
the notes the letters to the two camps and said,

923
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:06,159
you know, tell us if you're going to be involved,

924
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:07,960
otherwise we're going to move on to the next rank guys,

925
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,000
THEA camp, the Ajagua camp, which is top rank, and

926
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:15,960
the Frank Sanchez camp, which is Mike Boreo his manager

927
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:18,800
doesn't and uh, you know, they sent back they would participate.

928
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,480
And so the winner of this fight presumably that now

929
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,960
they've accepted, they have to go through the process of

930
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,559
negotiating and perhaps they'll be a purspit, but that means

931
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:27,719
that if the fight takes place, that the winner will

932
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,719
become the IBF heavyweight mandatory. It's not due next or

933
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,440
anything like that. Obviously, we've got the duboat In and

934
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:36,159
U and Whosik rematch for the unisputed title coming up,

935
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:37,519
but that's going to be a great position for the

936
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:40,400
winner of the fight. You mentioned the rankings that each have. Now,

937
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:42,480
anybody that knows anything about the IVF knows most of

938
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,119
the time they leave number one vacant to allow for

939
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:47,360
an eliminator to have the winner become number one. In

940
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,159
this case, Derek Tasor is number two. He is apparently

941
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:52,480
doing something else and was not going to be involved

942
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,440
in the in the in the box off, So they

943
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,840
went to the next leading guys and that was a

944
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jagua in Sanchez, and so they're two good heavyweights. Obviously

945
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they both have you know, had ups and downs. Sanchez

946
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had the loss, you know, in a fight where he

947
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hurt his knee. He got to win since then a

948
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job but had to draw, you know, in a fight

949
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that could have a lot of people thought he won

950
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against Bocoli. But the bottom line is not only are

951
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they fighting for high stakes of a guaranteed heavyweight championship fight,

952
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but it's a rematch. They fought each other in twenty

953
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twenty one. They fought on one of the undercards when

954
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I believe it was the rematch when Tyson Fury fought

955
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against Deontay Wilder. I guess it was the rematch anyway,

956
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Sanchez won a decision that fight, and they're gonna do

957
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it again. And so you say, what's the big deal.

958
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It's because it's for the opportunity to fight for a

959
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heavyweight championship, That's why. And they're they're these are not bums.

960
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These are good quality heavyweys in today's day and age.

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Speaker 1: So we will see if they agree, and if not,

962
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then they'll find somebody else. And it's IBF doing IBF things.

963
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And we're now done, and.

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Speaker 2: We're not actually qualified this as the IDF doing IBF

965
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:54,920
things because when you looked at the top heavyweights and

966
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who's available and what the other guys are doing, this

967
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:00,880
is I'm not saying this is like the greatest matchup

968
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,239
of all time, but this is a reputable type of

969
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eliminator fight. I don't know, this is.

970
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Speaker 1: Further complicated because when a Jagua and Martin Bucoli were

971
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to have fought, originally that was going to be the eliminator, right,

972
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and then a Jagua suddenly took the short notice fight

973
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:21,760
with Joseph Parker Bacoli. I'm sorry, I took the short

974
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notice fight and got knocked out in it. And so

975
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now that messed up the Jagua fight with Bacoli for

976
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the eliminator spot.

977
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Speaker 2: So this is taking that place.

978
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: And so now they fought anyway, and a Jagua beat him.

979
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: So well, no, what do you mean a Joga beat

980
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,119
who Pecoli?

981
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: Right, because they fought anyway.

982
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a non eliminator because Baccoley had gotten

983
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,840
his clock cleaned by Parker. Again, the IBF is they're

984
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,239
doing actually the right thing. Had they made that the

985
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,920
eliminator with Bacoli coming off a lost to Parker that

986
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,719
had been far worse in my opinion. So again, you know,

987
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,599
we're I don't know what the problem is with this.

988
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,920
They're taking two quality heavyweights or maybe you know, maybe

989
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,199
not number one, two or three in real ratings, not

990
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,599
the IBF ratings, and they've matched them in and eliminator.

991
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:07,280
Both sides have agreed to do the fight. It's our

992
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,360
rematch of a fight. They're two good fighters. One guy's

993
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,920
great punching power in a Jaba, one guy is more

994
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,920
of a boxer in Sanchez. And we'll see if they

995
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,199
can make them hey and put on a solid fight,

996
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,000
and they'll get the opportunity. I don't have a problem with.

997
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,599
Speaker 1: That, all right. Two bits of nostalgia. Speaking of heavyweights,

998
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,559
this weekend is the anniversary and you were ringside of

999
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:34,519
Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitchko in June June twenty first, right,

1000
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:37,960
two thousand and three. You were ringside for that one

1001
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:41,079
it turns out to be Lennox Lewis's final fight, and

1002
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:46,119
also another anniversary the previous year, twenty three years ago

1003
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is the rematch of Marco Antonio Berrera Eric Morales two,

1004
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,679
the second of their three fights. You were also ringside

1005
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:56,199
there for both. And so we say to the audience,

1006
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,679
you want to go find the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page,

1007
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,679
because you and I go over those two fights on

1008
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,679
video in the nostalgia, give him a little give him

1009
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,360
a little tease being ringside for both of those. Lennox

1010
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,639
Lewis's fast last fight, and you actually you do explain

1011
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,760
this in the video. You were not at the Barrera

1012
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,360
Morales first fight, but you were there for the next

1013
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:17,920
two and many of their other fights after that.

1014
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 2: Well, just briefly good. Yeah. As far as Lewis and Klitchko,

1015
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,440
I mean, I've detailed this before about how this was

1016
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,039
a fight made on short notice, was supposed to be

1017
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:28,519
them fighting separate opponents on a pay per view, and

1018
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,639
one of those opponents got injured, and instead of building

1019
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:32,960
up to the fight to do in the fall of

1020
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that year, everybody sort of agreed and HBO went and

1021
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,039
got a huge amount of money from the bosses to

1022
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put this fight on live HBO, not on a pay

1023
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,039
per view basis, and they basically made this heavyweight championship

1024
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:43,320
fight that was a big deal in like a couple

1025
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,519
three weeks notice. I want to say both guys were

1026
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:47,960
training for other opponents. Lenox maybe not as well as

1027
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,159
he should have been because he came in out of

1028
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:51,360
shape against Clitchcob but still got to win. But it

1029
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,559
was the rollicking, you know, incredibly action packed fight. I've

1030
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:56,880
ranked it, you know, for me, at the moment, I

1031
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,079
would say it's the one of the handful of best

1032
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:01,480
heavyweight championsh fight I evercovered for the long time, that

1033
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:04,719
was the number one. Then it became uh the fight

1034
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between uh well, the.

1035
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Speaker 1: One Wilder Pury Wilder.

1036
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 2: Well, I was saying first it was first it was

1037
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Lewis Klitschkow. Then it became Vladimir Clitchco against Anthony Joshua,

1038
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which I was ringside for in Wembley Stadium in twenty seventeen.

1039
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,920
That was the fight of the year. And now I

1040
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:24,360
ranked the Wilder because it's come after that Wilder against

1041
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,840
Fear in the Trilogy fight, which was just ridiculous. But anyway,

1042
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,280
but the point is this is a historically great heavyweight

1043
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,119
championship fight, was a you know, incredibly memorable fight. Being

1044
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:34,679
as stable center for that fight. And then as you

1045
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,760
mentioned the rematch between Barrera and Morales, the second of

1046
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,639
the two fights, as I'll talk about in the video

1047
00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:42,480
you you mentioned, uh not at the same level of

1048
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:45,320
ferocity and intensity of fight number one and fight number three.

1049
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,320
A lot of trilogies have the one that's it was

1050
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,000
still a great fight, don't get me wrong, but it

1051
00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:52,119
wasn't didn't rise to the fight at the year level,

1052
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:55,920
but still House standing fighting. Obviously, it allowed the rivalry

1053
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,840
to become one and one, so they were able to

1054
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,079
then later on do a third fight. But this this

1055
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:02,199
was for featherweight supremacy, and that's why this was an

1056
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:04,639
important fight, not only become because it was a rematchup

1057
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,679
of a all time great first one.

1058
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: And again, if you go to our YouTube page and

1059
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:11,719
check out the nostalgia part on the videos, you'll love it.

1060
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,079
There's some great stuff there. A Dan's interview with Deontay Wilder.

1061
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaking of Deontay Wilder, we want you to see Wilder's

1062
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,599
return on Friday night on PPV dot Com with our

1063
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:24,760
friends at PPV dot com. No long term subscription necessary,

1064
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,960
just make the one off pay per view purchase to

1065
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:29,039
watch it with them. They are sponsors of what we

1066
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:32,519
do here on the pod and the video feed and

1067
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:35,400
our Big Fight Weekend website, Big Fight Weekend dot Com

1068
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,360
website as well. All Right, I think we're good. We're

1069
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,039
good on fight recaps, on the news. They can go

1070
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:44,320
see the nostalgia on the YouTube page. When I talk

1071
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,360
to you next, I'm gonna go so Cal, I'm gonna

1072
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,239
go Left Coast and we're gonna do everything we can

1073
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,199
to be live after the Jake Poul Julio says Oar

1074
00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:00,599
Chavez pay perview press conference on Thursday afternoon Pacific and

1075
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:04,880
Eastern time. Look for us to be live on YouTube first.

1076
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,400
You'll be able to see it and we'll talk to

1077
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,039
you on YouTube first. And then for the podcast audience,

1078
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:12,079
which we have right here, you'll be able to hear

1079
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:14,599
it later on the night Thursday night into Friday. But

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00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,039
see it first and watch you all of our coverage first,

1081
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,159
as I'm out there for that pay per view this

1082
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:22,679
weekend at the Honda Center in Anaheim, California, for whatever

1083
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,239
happens again, Zerdo Ramirez in the co feature, cruiserweight unification,

1084
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,000
Floyd Schofield on the undercard, etc. So we'll be out

1085
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,719
there for all of that. Other than that, I think

1086
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,320
we're good, my friend. Are we good? Are we ready

1087
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,119
to have one good final week here of June. June's

1088
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:39,440
basically over after next weekend, Yes, sir, love it. There's

1089
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,639
Dan Rayfield. Follow and subscribe to this pod feed Apples, Creaker, Spotify,

1090
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,519
go to his substack. Make sure you're subscribing on the

1091
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:50,599
newsletter The Fight Preach to Night's substack as well. For now,

1092
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:53,199
we are good. It is the fight Freaks Your Night

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