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<v Speaker 1>The story of Ken McElroy is what happens when people

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<v Speaker 1>decide to take justice into their own hands. For years,

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<v Speaker 1>Ken terrorized the town of Skidmore. He did whatever he wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>and he did it whenever he wanted, and somehow he

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<v Speaker 1>always got away with it. He walked the streets like

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<v Speaker 1>he owned the place, threatening anyone who crossed him, and

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<v Speaker 1>that included the police. But eventually, the people of Skidmore

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<v Speaker 1>they had enough, and on July tenth, nineteen eighty one,

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<v Speaker 1>in broad daylight, kenmcelroy was shot dead with as many

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<v Speaker 1>as sixty people watching. The only problem, not a single

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<v Speaker 1>witness ever identified the shooter. This is the story of

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<v Speaker 1>Ken McElroy, also known as the town Bully.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim.

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<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcast. The following material more material audience

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<v Speaker 1>listener discretion. Daylight savings time is bullshit. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if anyone out there who's listening lives with daylight savings time,

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<v Speaker 1>but it sucks. It's stupid. I hate it. I'm tired, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but do.

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<v Speaker 2>You like it when you actually gain an hour?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I think it's ridiculous. Just let time be time.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben is quite rumpy this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>And Nicole is overly happy, and it is not a

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<v Speaker 1>good contrast in the house right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's also quite a rule reversal because usually it's

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<v Speaker 2>the other way around. I feel like I.

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<v Speaker 1>Slept like shit, and I'm pretty sure waking up an

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<v Speaker 1>hour early with the whole daylight savings time is not

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<v Speaker 1>making it any better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you that happened on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I'm still I'm still still adjusting. Well, hurry up, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I'll hurry out.

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<v Speaker 2>Taking away my bad to adjust my bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Cha's Louise getting the third degree this morning?

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<v Speaker 2>Well I'm just joking, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wanted to, uh say, thank you guys for

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<v Speaker 1>messaging us regarding your thoughts in what you think really

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<v Speaker 1>happened on the previous episode. Uh, there was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of interesting theories, but the consensus was, yeah, no one

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<v Speaker 1>really knows what the fuck I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a wild one.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. I did decide that, you know what, we

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<v Speaker 1>need to calm things down, and that's why I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>today's case.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to calm things down.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to calm things down, get our heads straight.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a case that I think will do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yes, there is a murder in it, but

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<v Speaker 1>thankfully it's I'm not going to say someone who deserves it,

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<v Speaker 1>but thankfully it's a happier ending. I don't really know

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<v Speaker 1>how to say it politely.

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<v Speaker 2>List No, someone still dies, but it seems like it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to be an intriguing Yeah, this guy did have

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<v Speaker 1>it coming. Let's put it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there you go. That's a good way of putting it.

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<v Speaker 1>He had it coming. But you know what else, we

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<v Speaker 1>have some patrons to thank, don't we. We have some

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<v Speaker 1>patrons who have a thank you coming their way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so thank you and shout out to Becky Williams, Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Megan Wetzel, Paula, Joe Logan, Brandy Aiden, and Mark Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>They all signed up over on Patreon getting that exclusive

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<v Speaker 1>content and of course you know they're behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you guys. That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no kidding. I think we should get right into

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<v Speaker 1>this case though, let's do it. I've already said I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like five times, I'm tired and I'm cranky. Can you tell? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe if people.

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<v Speaker 2>Will be able to tell something like that, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>probably a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually I haven't even had a sip of coffe yet.

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<v Speaker 2>It's too maybe. Oh, I was like, maybe that will

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<v Speaker 2>help you, but not if it's going to burn your tongue.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's cooled off just the right amount. Perfect. I

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<v Speaker 1>always let my coffee sit for like two to three minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, that's there we go.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised that I had a good sleep, considering Ripley

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<v Speaker 2>like was always I would wake up constantly with no room,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think I would just move and instantly go

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<v Speaker 2>back to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, fair enough I did. Okay, okay, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it. So today we're talking about the murder.

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<v Speaker 1>That's uh, it's been a mystery for over forty years

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, and not because no one saw it happen,

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<v Speaker 1>but because no one will talk about it. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is a story of ken Rex McElroy, also known as

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<v Speaker 1>the town Bully. But it's not just a story on him.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a story in how the entire town watched him

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<v Speaker 1>get gunned down in broad daylight and then acted like

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<v Speaker 1>they knew nothing about it. So the year was nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty one. The place Skidmore, Missouri, a tiny farmtown, with

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<v Speaker 1>about four hundred and thirty seven people at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded by endless cornfields. You know, it's the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>place where everyone knows everyone, and it's the quintessential life

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<v Speaker 1>of the little, small, quiet farm town. But there was

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<v Speaker 1>one big problem. Skidmore had him, meaning Ken McElroy. And

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<v Speaker 1>as we know, as I've already said now once in

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<v Speaker 1>the intro and once starting the script, Ken got gunned down,

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<v Speaker 1>but no one talked about it. How is that possible?

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<v Speaker 1>How does a murder happen right in the open with

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<v Speaker 1>a crowd watching and the whole thing just go unsolved. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>to get that answer, we first have to ask who

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<v Speaker 1>exactly was Ken McElroy. So let's go back a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Ken was born on July first, nineteen thirty four. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the fifteenth of sixteen kids in a poor tenant

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<v Speaker 1>farming family.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, back then, Hey, they had that many kidds.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a lot more common for kids back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. His parents, Tony and Mabel, moved around between Kansas

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<v Speaker 1>and Ozarks before eventually settling near Skidmore. He struggled in school.

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<v Speaker 1>He dropped out by the eighth grade and was probably

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<v Speaker 1>illiterate by what most people account for.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I just have to say Tony and Mabel too.

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<v Speaker 2>Those names are so fitting. Yeah, for back then, that's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what I would have like probably thrown.

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<v Speaker 1>Out there, old fashioned farmtown type names. Yeah, we even

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<v Speaker 1>have a chicken named Mabel, so checks out. Now, when

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<v Speaker 1>he was eighteen, he got badly injured at a construction

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<v Speaker 1>site when a steel slab fell on him. Now, he

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<v Speaker 1>lived with chronic pain after that, and some people think

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<v Speaker 1>it messed with his person, making him quite a bit

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<v Speaker 1>more aggressive. But honestly, by this point, Kim was already

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<v Speaker 1>known for being violent before the accident, so if anything,

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<v Speaker 1>it may have just made things worse. But it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to say. Now. After the injury, he got a settlement

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<v Speaker 1>which might have helped fund the lifestyle he was leading,

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<v Speaker 1>one built on you know, threats, crime and scaring the

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<v Speaker 1>hell out of everyone around him and just basically doing

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<v Speaker 1>whatever he wanted whenever he wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>A menace, Yeah, he's Denis to society.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not Dennis the Menace. He's Ken Mekelroy the menace. So, now,

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<v Speaker 1>Ken wasn't just some scrawny troublemaker. He was a big

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<v Speaker 1>guy reports say he weighed around two hundred and seventy pounds,

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<v Speaker 1>built like a brick wall, and quite stocky. Now, while

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<v Speaker 1>there's no solid record that I was able to find

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<v Speaker 1>on his exact height, it sounded like he was just

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<v Speaker 1>shive six feet tall, you know, like an inch or two.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm shorter, so like five ten, five eleven something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't a towering giant, but he was definitely a

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<v Speaker 1>imposing figure, an intimidating presence, and he knew it too.

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<v Speaker 1>Ken used his size to push people around, literally and figuratively.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a way of looming over people, making sure

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<v Speaker 1>that they felt his presence, and if he wanted something,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't afraid to use intimidation tactics to get it.

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<v Speaker 1>A local farmer once summed him up perfectly, saying, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that Ken simply wanted to be big and

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<v Speaker 1>important and have people afraid of him when he walked

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<v Speaker 1>down the streets. Well, he got that they were.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't love that. There are I have met a

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<v Speaker 2>few people that they you almost they almost enjoy being intimidating,

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I can hate that. I don't get intimidated

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<v Speaker 2>by very many people. There's been the odd person, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just feel like, go fuck yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Agreed. Yeah, Now, Ken wasn't just some menacing figure looking

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<v Speaker 1>around town and that's that he was. Also, he was

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<v Speaker 1>making a decent living. He was out leasing land near

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<v Speaker 1>his farm. He traded race dogs on paper and it

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<v Speaker 1>might have seemed like it was an honest way to

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<v Speaker 1>get by, but of course Ken wasn't exactly an honest individual.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also allegedly involved in stealing livestock, grain, alcohol, gasoline,

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<v Speaker 1>and even antiques. So basically, if it wasn't nailed down,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a good chance Ken would take it and

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<v Speaker 1>find a way to make a profit from it. And

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<v Speaker 1>with a track record like that, it's no surprise that

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<v Speaker 1>he was in constant trouble with the law. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I say constant, I mean he was in constant trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>His own lawyer estimated that Ken was charged with something

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<v Speaker 1>around the point of at least three times a year

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<v Speaker 1>he was criminally charged.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what the hell, though, They're in such a small

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<v Speaker 2>community and he's doing this shit, correct, obviously they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to know who the hell it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, definitely. Now by some counts, he had actually even

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<v Speaker 1>been indicted twenty one times.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in a year span, sorry, or just like just

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<v Speaker 2>in total okay, but still wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but somehow he always managed to escape by with

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<v Speaker 1>only one conviction under his belt, which that conviction we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about a little later.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he like a charmer or like manipulator?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you could say that, okay, kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of like almost maybe a serial killer mentality ish or

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get there.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk all about We're gonna talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>things that you just brought up, every single one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Ust put it that way, okay, about manipulation, about charming,

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<v Speaker 1>and about potential killings.

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<v Speaker 2>Geez.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So his crimes weren't just about stealing. Ken was

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<v Speaker 1>accused of harassing and assaulting women, destroying property, threatening people's lives,

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<v Speaker 1>and at least two separate instances of shooting people.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, dang, dang.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, wildest part he bragged about this can we go

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<v Speaker 1>around town boasting that he was untouchable, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>untouchable thanks to his Ken's city lawyer, Richard Gene McFadden, who,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Ken, had mob connections and could get him

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<v Speaker 1>out of anything. And honestly, the record kind of backs

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<v Speaker 1>that up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, how much is he paying this guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Though, probably a lot. But by the sounds of it,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a lot of money. He's got this this

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<v Speaker 1>settlement that he had, he's you know, leasing and trading

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<v Speaker 1>and doing a bunch of stuff with his property and

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<v Speaker 1>animals and stuff that he's making money from. Not to mention,

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<v Speaker 1>he's also stealing a bunch of other shit. So I

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<v Speaker 1>have a feeling he's probably got the money to back

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<v Speaker 1>it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's not really too concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>No, So, his lawyer McFadden had defended Ken multiple times

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<v Speaker 1>over the years, and every time Ken would walk away

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<v Speaker 1>scott free, he felt more and more invincible every time.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it got to the point where he was

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<v Speaker 1>fancy lawyer from out of town. He's going to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that no one can touch me, you know, YadA

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<v Speaker 1>YadA YadA kind of attitude. And for a long time

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<v Speaker 1>he was right. His lawyer was definitely his golden ticket,

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<v Speaker 1>his ace up his sleeve. But legal maneuvering wasn't his

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't enough to protect him, he turned to something far simpler, fear.

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<v Speaker 1>If someone dared speak out against him, Ken made sure

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<v Speaker 1>that they regretted it. He tailed them around town, making

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<v Speaker 1>a habit of parking outside their home and just sitting

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<v Speaker 1>there staring, even in the middle of the night. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't need to say anything. His presence alone was enough

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<v Speaker 2>What a complete creeper. That would piss me right off.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, I don't know, I would lose my shit,

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<v Speaker 2>go out there and be like, excuse me, what the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck are you doing? Sir? Well, not even sir, he's

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<v Speaker 2>just a douche. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is, you know, like everyone knows this man.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a small town mentality, right, Everyone knows each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone knows this man. Everyone knows what he's done to

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<v Speaker 1>other people. He has a reputation for not being afraid

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<v Speaker 1>of anyone and not being afraid to shoot people. And

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<v Speaker 1>so you have this man parked outside of your home,

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<v Speaker 1>say two am, just sitting there watching you. You know

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a gun because even at times in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the night when he's watching people, he would

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<v Speaker 1>just shoot his gun off in the air, just so

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<v Speaker 1>you know. He's there and you know he's watching, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know he's loaded.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I would still get completely pissed, fair enough, would

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<v Speaker 2>you not? Like I don't know, maybe I wouldn't go

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<v Speaker 2>over there. I'd be pissed in my house, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Under their way. Now, in nineteen seventy six, a man

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Romayne Henry caught McElroy trespassing on

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<v Speaker 1>his land. And Romayne was a man who he decided

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to stand up for the situation right good.

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<v Speaker 1>To this day, no one really knows what McElroy was

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<v Speaker 1>doing on this guy's land, on this farmer's land. But

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<v Speaker 1>when Romayne confronted him about it, McElroy answered the way

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<v Speaker 1>he always did with violence. He pulled out a shotgun

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<v Speaker 1>and shot Romayne twice in the stomach with a shotgun.

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<v Speaker 1>Somehow Romayne survived the shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's actually like shooting and hurting people to kill them,

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<v Speaker 2>like it doesn't matter to him.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter, Okay, Okay, he does not give a shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I guess it's a little bit more scary then.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now imagine that sitting outside of your house at

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<v Speaker 1>two am.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I thought maybe he's just like kind of shooting

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<v Speaker 2>people just like maybe not just next to them or

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<v Speaker 2>their arm or leg or something, but he's like even

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<v Speaker 2>doing fatal blows.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he just unloaded a shotgun twice in this

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<v Speaker 1>dude's stomach and he.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the one on the wrong, trespassing on this guy's property. Correct,

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<v Speaker 2>What a complete asshole.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Unlike so many others, Romayne refused to stay quiet

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<v Speaker 1>with the situation and he pressed charges, taking McElroy to

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<v Speaker 1>court for assault with intent to kill. Now it should

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<v Speaker 1>have been an open and shutcase obviously, right, he's trespassing

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<v Speaker 1>on his land. He shot him in the stomach twice. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>done right, easy peasy. But McElroy had won final card

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<v Speaker 1>to play his ace up asleep, his lawyer, Richard Jen McFadden.

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<v Speaker 1>McFadden somehow managed to pull the same trick that had

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<v Speaker 1>worked so many times before. He found a witness quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote who swore up and down that McElroy wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>there on the property that day, and just like that,

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<v Speaker 1>the case fell apart because he had an alibi, no conviction,

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<v Speaker 1>and no consequences followed.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, So they're paying people, yeah, probably to come up

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<v Speaker 2>with these false stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Most likely McElroy walked away again, knowing that no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what he did, the law couldn't touch him, and the

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<v Speaker 1>more he got away with, the more untouchable he felt. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>shooting some one is of course bad, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to clarify that before I say anymore here. But things

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<v Speaker 1>get a little darker yet when we look at McElroy's

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<v Speaker 1>relationships and fair warning, it involves young girls. Ken had

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<v Speaker 1>been accused of sexually assaulting and raping two young women

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<v Speaker 1>who were as young as twelve years old, both of

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<v Speaker 1>which he reportedly ended up marrying to keep them from

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<v Speaker 1>testifying against him in court. One of them was a

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<v Speaker 1>girl named Trina McLeod, who was indeed just twelve years old.

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<v Speaker 1>When they the two met, she caught the attention of Ken,

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<v Speaker 1>who was thirty eight at the time, more than three

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<v Speaker 1>times her age.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh this guy is nasty, you bet ya. If we

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<v Speaker 2>already disliked him like, this is just going to get

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<v Speaker 2>worse and worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now. Trina was Ken's third wife, though all of

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<v Speaker 1>these marriages and unions were a little on the suspect

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<v Speaker 1>side due to the fact that some of them overlapped

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<v Speaker 1>a bit the legality on where they actually married or not,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows, but that's neither here nor there, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as the fact that McElroy was known to prefer, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>young girls around the age of thirteen or four tomorrow, whatever, right.

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<v Speaker 1>He entered the relationship with Trina when she was only

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen years old, and she would give birth to their

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<v Speaker 1>first child together around the same time, which means a relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can call it, that had started before she

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<v Speaker 1>was fourteen, because she birthed at fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And was that shitting on illegal back then?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but again he's just getting away with this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess exactly. Dang now.

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<v Speaker 1>Not long after having the child, Trina tried to make

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<v Speaker 1>an escape. She ran back to her parents home, probably

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<v Speaker 1>hoping for some kind of safety. But McElroy he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of man to let someone walk away from him,

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<v Speaker 1>especially not someone he considered his His response, he went

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<v Speaker 1>and burned down her parents home and shot their family dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this guy is making me real angry at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Understandable, but he sent a message and it was loud

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<v Speaker 1>and clear, you do not get to leave me. But

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<v Speaker 1>here's where things get more complicated. In nineteen eighty one,

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<v Speaker 1>Trina gave an interview to People magazine and claimed that

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<v Speaker 1>the fire wasn't Ken, It wasn't his doing at all.

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<v Speaker 1>She claimed it was just quote faulty wiring. Now, whether

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<v Speaker 1>she was actually believing that or she was just repeating

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<v Speaker 1>what she had been told and conditioned to say, is

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<v Speaker 1>anyone's guess. But she wasn't the only one who seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to downplay the abuse on their end.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but this is quite a bit down the road

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<v Speaker 2>that she's saying this.

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<v Speaker 1>No, nineteen eighty one is the same year that Ken.

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<v Speaker 2>Dies, Okay, Okay, yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this is only a few years later. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I think, when would they have met. I'm not exactly

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<v Speaker 1>sure when they would have met. It would have been

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<v Speaker 1>late seventies though. Okay, yeah, where am I here? Lost

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<v Speaker 1>my spot? Now I had to scroll back. Okay. So Ken's

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<v Speaker 1>first two wives, Sharon and Alice, they were also said

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<v Speaker 1>to be victims of his violence, yet in later interviews

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<v Speaker 1>both women defended him. It's something that happens far too

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<v Speaker 1>often in abusive relationships, unfortunately, victims making excuses, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>rewriting the past, or even conditioning themselves that things weren't

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<v Speaker 1>that bad. And I'm not saying making excuses for themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying making excuses for the person who you know

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<v Speaker 1>was abusing them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, they were like brainwashed manipulated by this person.

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<v Speaker 1>Alice, just after Ken's death, told People magazine quote, Ken

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<v Speaker 1>was totally different from the way they are saying he was. Now, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he was wild, but he wasn't guilty of all those

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<v Speaker 1>things they say. He was honest. He was honest and generous.

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<v Speaker 1>I never knew him to steal anything ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm. Okay, but let's just let's just sit back for

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<v Speaker 2>a sec. Because say anything goes wrong in that town,

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<v Speaker 2>there could have been another like menace on the loose

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<v Speaker 2>or something. But then everyone would just always blame Ken

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<v Speaker 2>for everything. True, right, True, for sure they would.

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<v Speaker 1>True, However, they had a control measure to go by,

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<v Speaker 1>because I say this later on, but once he's gone,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of that stuff just stops.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. But also if someone else was kind of doing

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<v Speaker 2>some things, they would and then Ken dies like they

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<v Speaker 2>would probably also be like, okay, I gotta stop my shit.

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<v Speaker 2>True enough, I don't know I'm really playing devil's advocate here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say you're probably right, to some degree. I

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine that someone would be like doing all of

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<v Speaker 1>it and Ken's just getting blamed. But there's a possibility

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<v Speaker 1>a theft here or there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, he's I'm sure doing the majority, but there

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<v Speaker 2>could be the odd thing that someone else does. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone's just gonna conclude that it's Ken.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it could be like five percent or less, might

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<v Speaker 1>be random other happenings, but that ninety five percent is

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<v Speaker 1>Ken's doing for sure. But back to these relationships with

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<v Speaker 1>these young girls. It's kind of heartbreaking, but it's also

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<v Speaker 1>not surprising. I mean, whether it's Stockholm syndrome, manipulation, or

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<v Speaker 1>just years of straight up being lied to, Ken had

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<v Speaker 1>a way of twisting reality for the people closest to him.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, maybe he convinced them that he wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>bad person at all, and that people were saying these

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<v Speaker 1>things and it wasn't true. Maybe they needed to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that just to survive. It's hard to say, but what

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<v Speaker 1>I do know is that's the real tragedy of this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter what people thought of Ken, though, one thing

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<v Speaker 1>was certain. They were afraid of him, and for good reason.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, even law enforcement wanted nothing to do with them.

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<v Speaker 1>He was always heavily armed, and he had zero hesitation

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<v Speaker 1>when it came to pulling the trigger, and that means

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<v Speaker 1>even to cops. For over two decades, two fucking decades,

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<v Speaker 1>the people of Skidmore had to live with the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that the justice system just wasn't going to save them.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter how many times Ken was arrested, he walked

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<v Speaker 1>away free. He terrorized the town and no one, not

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<v Speaker 1>the police, not the courts, no one could stop him.

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<v Speaker 1>But all of that was about to change. On April

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifth, nineteen eighty, at Bohencamp General Store, a store

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<v Speaker 1>clerk Evelyn Summy caught Ken's eight year old daughter, Tanya,

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<v Speaker 1>taking candy without paying. Not like any employee would. She

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<v Speaker 1>told the girl to put it back right, a simple moment,

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<v Speaker 1>a small, you know, everyday thing that happens for this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of you know, employment. But Ken didn't see it

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<v Speaker 1>that way. When he found out, he lost it. Instead

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<v Speaker 1>of letting go, Ken began stocking the Bowencamp family For weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>He lurked outside their store and outside their home, making

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<v Speaker 1>sure that they knew that he was watching. And then

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<v Speaker 1>on July eighth, nineteen eighty, he took things a step farther.

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<v Speaker 1>Ken pulled his truck into the alley behind the Boone

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<v Speaker 1>Camp General store. Once there, he confronted the seventy year

420
00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:21.559
<v Speaker 1>old Bowing Camp men and shot him in the neck

421
00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:25.519
<v Speaker 1>with a shotgun at close range.

422
00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Did he die? I'm assuming.

423
00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:34.240
<v Speaker 1>By some miracle, bow Bowing Camp survived. Wow.

424
00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:38.079
<v Speaker 2>So he thought that his kid should just also be

425
00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:41.599
<v Speaker 2>able to kind of like walk on water pretty much. Okay,

426
00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:44.920
<v Speaker 2>that's great. Lessons say that this kid can just go

427
00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:47.839
<v Speaker 2>into a store and be able to take whatever they want,

428
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:48.680
<v Speaker 2>and that's okay.

429
00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no shit right. So Ken was arrested in charge

430
00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:54.640
<v Speaker 1>with attempted murder, and for the first time in a

431
00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:57.960
<v Speaker 1>long time, it seemed like Skidmore might finally see justice.

432
00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:02.200
<v Speaker 1>His preliminary trial was a set for August eighteenth, nineteen eighty.

433
00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:05.519
<v Speaker 1>But of course, Ken wasn't about to go down without

434
00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:08.400
<v Speaker 1>a fight. Just like always, he tried to scare his

435
00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:10.559
<v Speaker 1>way out of trouble. He parked outside the bow And

436
00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Camp's home at night, just sitting there in his truck, watching,

437
00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:16.599
<v Speaker 1>sometimes even firing his gun off into the night, and

438
00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:20.759
<v Speaker 1>Bo's wife later said, quote, you can't know how intimidating.

439
00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:23.559
<v Speaker 1>It was after that, before his trial, he'd drive up

440
00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:25.279
<v Speaker 1>to her house and his pick up at night and

441
00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:29.000
<v Speaker 1>just sit there. Sometimes he would fire his gun. It

442
00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:29.640
<v Speaker 1>was frightening.

443
00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.200
<v Speaker 2>Well the fact too, Yeah, that he's just firing his gun.

444
00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:36.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I don't know. Just sitting here listening to

445
00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:39.759
<v Speaker 2>this just makes me like I rate for these people. Well,

446
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:42.640
<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't I guess listening to the story more

447
00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:44.880
<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem like there's really anything they can do because

448
00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:47.000
<v Speaker 2>like the police also don't want anything to do with it.

449
00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:49.640
<v Speaker 2>So I guess, yeah, I don't know.

450
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:52.880
<v Speaker 1>And imagine being in their shoes. Sure, there's someone parked

451
00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:55.400
<v Speaker 1>outside your house at night, try and ignore them, just

452
00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:58.279
<v Speaker 1>go to sleep. You're just drifting off to sleep, and

453
00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:02.200
<v Speaker 1>guess what, Oh, a shot goes off right outside your

454
00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:04.599
<v Speaker 1>house to wake you up and remind you what's there.

455
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:06.839
<v Speaker 2>And then I guess if you do go outside and

456
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:10.519
<v Speaker 2>confront him, then like at this point, and you're guaranteed

457
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:11.319
<v Speaker 2>to get shot too.

458
00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah for sure, exactly.

459
00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's tough. Okay.

460
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:22.079
<v Speaker 1>So at this point, Ken pulled his favorite legal trick, delay, delay, Delay.

461
00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.279
<v Speaker 1>He managed to push his trial back nearly five months

462
00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:29.200
<v Speaker 1>up until sorry June twenty fifth, nineteen eighty one. Now,

463
00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:33.480
<v Speaker 1>during that time, the acting prosecuting attorney resigned. It was

464
00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:37.599
<v Speaker 1>a young, newly hired prosecutor named David Baird who stepped

465
00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:41.200
<v Speaker 1>in to take over the case. Now, some people believe

466
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.359
<v Speaker 1>that Ken bullied the previous prosecutor into actually stepping down.

467
00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Whether or not that's true, what we do know is

468
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:52.440
<v Speaker 1>that when David Baird took over, things finally changed. Baird

469
00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:54.640
<v Speaker 1>was fresh out of law school, just three years into

470
00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:57.240
<v Speaker 1>his career, but he managed to do what no other

471
00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:03.240
<v Speaker 1>lawyer had ever done. A conviction. It was a huge victory.

472
00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Ken was not only convicted of second degree assault, but

473
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:12.119
<v Speaker 1>the grand jury, the grand scheme of things. It was

474
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:15.839
<v Speaker 1>nothing though honestly, the jury handed down the maximum sentence

475
00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:18.640
<v Speaker 1>of two years, so he didn't even get attempted murder.

476
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:18.920
<v Speaker 2>It was.

477
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:21.920
<v Speaker 1>It was second degree assault and he got two years.

478
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:23.160
<v Speaker 2>That's it.

479
00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:25.440
<v Speaker 1>But it was a conviction on him.

480
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Though.

481
00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:29.799
<v Speaker 1>It looked like Ken might actually pay in some manner

482
00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:33.359
<v Speaker 1>for what he did. But as always there was a catch.

483
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:38.359
<v Speaker 1>Ken never even set foot in a prison cell. The

484
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:41.480
<v Speaker 1>judge let him walk free on a forty thousand dollars

485
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:46.680
<v Speaker 1>bond while he appealed the conviction. Oh okay, the appeal

486
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:47.599
<v Speaker 1>was overturned.

487
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Are they not looking at his history as well? Because

488
00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:55.039
<v Speaker 2>I always think that this guy is causing issue after

489
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:58.759
<v Speaker 2>issue after issue. I feel like that the courts take

490
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:02.119
<v Speaker 2>that into account. At least I thought they did. Maybe not,

491
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:02.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

492
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. So part of the reason that this

493
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:10.599
<v Speaker 1>even happened was was because Baird had strategically reduced the charge. Now,

494
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:13.480
<v Speaker 1>instead of going for the attempted murder, the official charge was,

495
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:17.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, knowingly causing serious physical injury. I mean, the

496
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:20.160
<v Speaker 1>logic was simple. If they charged him with attempted murder,

497
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:22.160
<v Speaker 1>there was a good chance that Ken would actually weasel

498
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:24.519
<v Speaker 1>his way out of it, just as he always did.

499
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:27.279
<v Speaker 1>So lowering the charge, Baird made it harder for the

500
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:30.440
<v Speaker 1>jury to let him off completely, I mean, and it worked.

501
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:35.880
<v Speaker 1>He was finally convicted, right, so it was at least something.

502
00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:37.359
<v Speaker 2>But still no jail time.

503
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:39.759
<v Speaker 1>No jail time. And Ken wasn't even worried about the

504
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:43.000
<v Speaker 1>situation because at the trial he laughed off like the

505
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:47.160
<v Speaker 1>whole thing, saying, quote, the jury convicted me and they

506
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:50.079
<v Speaker 1>gave me two years, But I'll tell you what, I'll

507
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.160
<v Speaker 1>never go to jail. I'll appeal and get off. I've

508
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.480
<v Speaker 1>been fighting the law since I was thirteen, and I'm

509
00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:59.160
<v Speaker 1>damn near fifty. I've been arrested for over fifty three

510
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>felonies and and this is the first I've ever lost.

511
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:09.480
<v Speaker 1>The appeal, he appealed it, and yeah, he got out,

512
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.119
<v Speaker 1>which is why he didn't step foot in jail.

513
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.279
<v Speaker 2>Piece of shit. This guy is just nasty.

514
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Yep, the system failed once again, and this time it

515
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:23.440
<v Speaker 1>seemed like Ken may have been pushing his luck, pushing

516
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the final straw onto the community now. Not long after

517
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:31.279
<v Speaker 1>his release, Ken walked into the DNNG Tavern, a local bar.

518
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:34.519
<v Speaker 1>He was carrying a rifle with a bayonet attached to it.

519
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:38.599
<v Speaker 1>In front of everyone. He started making graphic, detailed threats

520
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:44.039
<v Speaker 1>about murdering bo Bowen Camp. This time police did arrest him,

521
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:48.440
<v Speaker 1>but predictably, he was quickly released. The only consequence they

522
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>postponed his court heering to July twentieth, nineteen eighty one,

523
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:54.880
<v Speaker 1>because he had violated his bail terms by being armed.

524
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:58.839
<v Speaker 1>It's not really in punishment, it's not really no consequences.

525
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:02.799
<v Speaker 1>Nothing's really happening from these public threats, and with Ken

526
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.599
<v Speaker 1>still walking free, the town of Skidmore was finally at

527
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>that breaking point that little action of the public threats

528
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>was enough, and on the morning of July tenth, nineteen

529
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.359
<v Speaker 1>eighty one, the people of Skidmore they had a meeting.

530
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.759
<v Speaker 1>A meeting was called at the town Legion Hall, just

531
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:21.920
<v Speaker 1>down the street from the D ANDNG Tavern. Around sixty

532
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:26.599
<v Speaker 1>residents showed up, including the mayor and county Sheriff Dan Eats.

533
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.519
<v Speaker 1>The entire purpose of the meeting to figure out what

534
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.079
<v Speaker 1>they could legally do to stop Ken McElroy from terrorizing

535
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>the town any further now. The sheriff suggested forming a

536
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>neighborhood watch. That was his solution, which I mean, honestly,

537
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:45.960
<v Speaker 1>coming from law enforcement, it says a lot about the

538
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:47.359
<v Speaker 1>helplessness of the situation.

539
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, it's pretty safe to suggest that, right.

540
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, honestly, it's so minimal. Yeah, you have a you

541
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:03.160
<v Speaker 1>have a man who's shot people, who's stolen from people,

542
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:07.039
<v Speaker 1>who's bullied from people, who's literally had people fearing for

543
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:10.519
<v Speaker 1>their lives, he's publicly threatening people, he's gotten away with

544
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>all of this, and you have a shriff of saying

545
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:16.839
<v Speaker 1>what if we do? You know, like some some watch parties,

546
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.279
<v Speaker 1>some neighbor who watches to watch out for him and

547
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:22.599
<v Speaker 1>warn each other when he's coming, Like that's the solution.

548
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:26.680
<v Speaker 2>But clearly he's not like a corrupt sheriff at all, right,

549
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Like he's he's not wanting more people to like break

550
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:30.920
<v Speaker 2>the law and stuff.

551
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:33.599
<v Speaker 1>Right, So true enough, true enough, But it was just

552
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>such a minimal thing that coming from an officer, the sheriff,

553
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, it just it really paints the situation.

554
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:42.720
<v Speaker 2>Now.

555
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:44.880
<v Speaker 1>One of the meeting attendees later summed up the feeling

556
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.160
<v Speaker 1>in the room quote, we simply felt that the system

557
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:53.279
<v Speaker 1>had failed us. We all knew that McElroy. We simply

558
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:55.599
<v Speaker 1>felt that the system had failed us. We all knew

559
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:58.799
<v Speaker 1>what McElroy was like. And there he was again and again.

560
00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:03.440
<v Speaker 1>It seemed like nobody could stop him. And it seemed

561
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>like that feeling, the desperation, the frustration, and the helplessness,

562
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:11.160
<v Speaker 1>it became that final straw. Words spread that McElroy and

563
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Trina had just arrived at the DNG tavern for drinks. Sorry,

564
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:19.279
<v Speaker 1>I stumbled out the DNNG tavern for drinks. Shortly after that,

565
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>the meeting ended, and in near silence, the entire group

566
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.880
<v Speaker 1>of sixty people left the hall and made their way

567
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>towards the tavern. They scoured McElroy's Chevy Silverado in the

568
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:35.599
<v Speaker 1>parking lot, flanking it on all sides. Some of them

569
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>went inside the bar. They didn't confront him when he

570
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:42.279
<v Speaker 1>was in there. They didn't make a scene, They just waited.

571
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:45.839
<v Speaker 1>When McElroy and Trina finally stepped out of the bar

572
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:48.839
<v Speaker 1>and returned to the truck, the entire town was watching.

573
00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Trina climbed into the passenger seat. Ken McElroy sat behind

574
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:57.599
<v Speaker 1>the wheel, casually lighting a cigarette, and then, in a

575
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:03.079
<v Speaker 1>moment that must have felt like slow motion, someone raised

576
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:07.799
<v Speaker 1>a rifle. Trina later claimed that she saw a gunman

577
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:09.759
<v Speaker 1>pull the rifle from the back of a truck and

578
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>take aim, and then gunfire erupted. Windows in the truck shattered,

579
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and Ken was hit. Trina threw herself out of the truck,

580
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.160
<v Speaker 1>diving into the streets, and a man named Jack Clement

581
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:27.960
<v Speaker 1>pulled her up and guided her towards a nearby bank

582
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:33.279
<v Speaker 1>for safety. At forty seven years old, Ken McElroy was

583
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:38.079
<v Speaker 1>finally stopped. He was shot twice, slumped over in his truck,

584
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:42.759
<v Speaker 1>never even seeing it coming. The bullets came from behind him,

585
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>meaning his killer or killers approached unnoticed to him.

586
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, because I'm a little bit shocked that they did

587
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.599
<v Speaker 2>this with his wife or whatever in there as well.

588
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I don't think that they were going

589
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:58.079
<v Speaker 1>to wait for a perfect opportunity. I think it was

590
00:32:58.119 --> 00:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>just enough's enough and it has to happen now.

591
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that she's a potential witness.

592
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:08.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, Interestingly enough, two different sets of bullet casings

593
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.839
<v Speaker 1>were found. I'm not clear on the if these bullet

594
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>casings were from different guns. By the sounds of it,

595
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>I think they were, which if that is the case,

596
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.359
<v Speaker 1>it could mean there were at least two different guns

597
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 1>that were fired. Yeah, but there's But here's the part

598
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:26.720
<v Speaker 1>that stands out to me the most and stands out

599
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.440
<v Speaker 1>to everyone for the most No one called for help.

600
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:31.400
<v Speaker 2>They just left him.

601
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sixty witnesses. Not a single person dialed nine to

602
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:39.279
<v Speaker 1>one one, Not a single person called an ambulance, not

603
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>a single person alerted the police. The only person willing

604
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:49.359
<v Speaker 1>to say anything after the fact was Trina herself, and

605
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>even she couldn't get anyone to back her up.

606
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Not a single person gave a fuck.

607
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Nope. Basically, it was just silence that fell after that.

608
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:04.119
<v Speaker 1>It was eerie, It was deliberate, and honestly, it was

609
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:05.079
<v Speaker 1>probably peaceful.

610
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's almost amazing that they didn't celebrate. Yeah, maybe

611
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:09.559
<v Speaker 2>they did that later.

612
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.280
<v Speaker 1>They might have done that in the privacy of their homes.

613
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:16.079
<v Speaker 1>I guess. Yeah. Now. Cheryl Houston, the daughter of Boboing Camp,

614
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>had watched the shooting unfold from her family store. Later,

615
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:23.880
<v Speaker 1>she summed up exactly why no one stepped forward to

616
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:28.679
<v Speaker 1>quote her quote, they could have pushed and dug, pushed

617
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:33.039
<v Speaker 1>and dug and gotten nothing. We were so bitter and

618
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:35.679
<v Speaker 1>so angry at the law letting us down that it

619
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:39.559
<v Speaker 1>came to somebody taking matters into their own hands. No

620
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:43.079
<v Speaker 1>one has any idea what a nightmare we lived.

621
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, you had said at one point it was

622
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:47.440
<v Speaker 2>two decades of this ship.

623
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:51.280
<v Speaker 1>It was so. With the murder investigation, there was only

624
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:55.360
<v Speaker 1>one suspect that came from it. An individual by the

625
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.840
<v Speaker 1>name of Dell Clement, a part owner of the DNG tavern,

626
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:03.000
<v Speaker 1>now identified him as the shooter, but no one else

627
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:08.280
<v Speaker 1>would confirm it. Now Dell denied everything, and with no

628
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:10.559
<v Speaker 1>other witnesses, no other names, and no one willing to

629
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<v Speaker 1>testify against him. No charges were ever filed against Dell.

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<v Speaker 1>The case simply went cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, just to think that that many people actually did

632
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<v Speaker 2>witness this. Yep, and no one broke.

633
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<v Speaker 1>No one broke. Not to this day, no one's broke.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it's almost shocking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, one person who spent years investigating the case

636
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<v Speaker 1>was a man by the name of Harry N. McLean

637
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<v Speaker 1>the author of a book called In Broad Daylight, a

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<v Speaker 1>book on Ken's murder. Now, he actually spent time with

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<v Speaker 1>del Clement and later described him as someone who would

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<v Speaker 1>have easily snapped in the moment. To quote him, it

641
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<v Speaker 1>wasn't hard to imagine him jerking the gun from his

642
00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:59.800
<v Speaker 1>pickup in a burst of anger and opening up on

643
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.800
<v Speaker 1>the large head on the other side of the rear

644
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:08.239
<v Speaker 1>window of the pickup truck. So over the years, Harry

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<v Speaker 1>McLain had never heard any other name seriously mentioned as

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<v Speaker 1>the shooter. It was only ever this individual mentioned.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was probably most likely him, most likely, But

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<v Speaker 3>there is also the potential there were allegedly two different bulletins, right, Yeah,

649
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<v Speaker 3>so if it was him, there was at least someone else,

650
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:28.920
<v Speaker 3>or he had two guns.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't know. Yeah, Now, Dell did die in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nine, and until the day he passed,

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<v Speaker 1>he never admitted to any role playing any sort of

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<v Speaker 1>role in Ken mcleroy's murder. But in the grand scheme

655
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<v Speaker 1>of things, does it really matter who pulled the trigger?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it? The author McLain doesn't think so. He once said, quote,

657
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<v Speaker 1>I personally believe it's a mistake to put too much

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<v Speaker 1>emphasis on who pulled the trigger, which brings us back

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<v Speaker 1>to that town hall meeting just hours before the shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easy to wonder if the killing was planned, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a vigilante action agreed upon by the town in that

662
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.239
<v Speaker 1>moment of time when they're all put together in that

663
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<v Speaker 1>same room, frustrated over by this individual. But MacLean doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>think so. He believes that a few people made an

665
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<v Speaker 1>impulsive decision and the rest of the town stood by

666
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<v Speaker 1>them to a complicit silence. No one's confessed, no one's talked,

667
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:35.079
<v Speaker 1>And after Ken's death, the Major Case Squad launched an investigation,

668
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:39.039
<v Speaker 1>and even the FBI got involved. But despite all the attention,

669
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<v Speaker 1>the results were the same. Nothing. In total, three grand

670
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:49.559
<v Speaker 1>juries reviewed the evidence, but not a single person was

671
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<v Speaker 1>ever indicted. The silence of the Skidmore town held strong. Trina, however,

672
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:58.880
<v Speaker 1>wasn't done fighting. On July ninth, nineteen eighty four, she

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<v Speaker 1>filed a six million dollars wrongful death lawsuit against the

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<v Speaker 1>Town of Skidmore Nowaday County Sheriff Dan Eats and Mayor

675
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<v Speaker 1>Steve Peters and of course dal Clements. But like everything

676
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:15.079
<v Speaker 1>else in the case, the outcome was rather anti climactic.

677
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:18.519
<v Speaker 1>The lawsuit settled for just seventeen thy six hundred, a

678
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<v Speaker 1>far cry from the millions that she was originally seeking,

679
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.760
<v Speaker 1>And after that Trina left town. She remarried, built a

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<v Speaker 1>new life, and in twenty twelve, on her fifty fifth birthday,

681
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.679
<v Speaker 1>she would pass away. Even decades later, the town still

682
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.559
<v Speaker 1>refuses to talk. In two thousand and six, the Nowaday

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<v Speaker 1>County Sheriff Ben Epsy summed it up, quote, they all

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00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:43.599
<v Speaker 1>seem to know who did it, but they don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to get involved.

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00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I honestly feel like they're kind of

687
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:55.400
<v Speaker 2>playing his game a little bit, really, I mean potentially yeah, right, yeah,

688
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.320
<v Speaker 2>you're not right, like they're getting away with all with

689
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<v Speaker 2>this and.

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<v Speaker 1>If he can get away with it, so yeah, we

691
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>exactly yep. Now, within a single month after Ken's death,

692
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:11.079
<v Speaker 1>report of cattle and pig thefts in the county dropped significantly.

693
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<v Speaker 1>It seemed like his death solved more problems than just

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<v Speaker 1>the justice system ever ever could. Now, of course, the

695
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.239
<v Speaker 1>case has grabbed national media attention. Outlets like Rolling Stone

696
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:26.400
<v Speaker 1>sixty minutes ran pieces on the murder, painting it as

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00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, a vigilante act, you know, a town that

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<v Speaker 1>had taken law into its own hands. But no matter

699
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:34.679
<v Speaker 1>how the media framed it, the fact remains the same.

700
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<v Speaker 1>A man was murdered because of his own actions. The

701
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.639
<v Speaker 1>town of Skidmore closed ranks to protect whoever pulled that trigger,

702
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:48.519
<v Speaker 1>and the identity of the shooter will likely never officially

703
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:52.199
<v Speaker 1>be known, and the case of Ken Rex McElroy will

704
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<v Speaker 1>forever remain a mystery.

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00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

706
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<v Speaker 1>And that's the story of Ken Mechs McElroy aka the

707
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<v Speaker 1>Town the blown Bully.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. Well yeah, even at this point, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like if someone comes forward or it's just going to

710
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.199
<v Speaker 2>be all like hearsay, like it's I don't think that

711
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:18.840
<v Speaker 2>it's going to get solved, but that is it's crazy

712
00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:20.480
<v Speaker 2>that no one has no one.

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<v Speaker 1>Has broke I mean, I disagree, actually do you I

714
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<v Speaker 1>disagree with the the way I wrote this story. Even

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<v Speaker 1>I disagree, I think it will get solved one day,

716
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:36.119
<v Speaker 1>do you I do I think that every not everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it's common knowledge. Let me put it

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<v Speaker 1>that way. I think it's common knowledge in the town

719
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<v Speaker 1>of Skidmore on who killed Ken macelroy. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that somewhere someone's family has evidence of their grandpa or

721
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:54.159
<v Speaker 1>whoever being the one to pull the trigger. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think eventually that will come to light and they will

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<v Speaker 1>be named. Of course, they will have passed away.

724
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<v Speaker 2>They will not have to what's going to come of it, really.

725
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:07.119
<v Speaker 1>And it'll just be telling the full story. And honestly,

726
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.760
<v Speaker 1>he'll probably be celebrated the end of the person who

727
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<v Speaker 1>pulled the trigger, they'll be celebrated.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is too, it's it could there could

729
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<v Speaker 2>easily be.

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<v Speaker 1>Two people, right, Yeah, there could be.

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<v Speaker 2>So even if someone comes forward and has evidence that

732
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:24.079
<v Speaker 2>it was like their grandpa or whatever, they're not going

733
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<v Speaker 2>to be able to pinpoint that it was the grandpa

734
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<v Speaker 2>slowly correct, so wow, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do believe that names will eventually come to light.

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<v Speaker 1>It may take a while, but I do believe names

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<v Speaker 1>will huh.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, you almost feel bad because it's like someone died,

739
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:46.920
<v Speaker 2>But that guy was a complete asshole.

740
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:48.960
<v Speaker 1>He was He really was like just.

741
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Disgusting, disturbing. Just the shit he did is like he even.

742
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, your head's like trying to twist and think

743
00:41:59.039 --> 00:41:59.719
<v Speaker 1>about how.

744
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:04.239
<v Speaker 2>To just even just the being with such young girls

745
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:07.960
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that right there alone is enough. Yeah,

746
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:09.239
<v Speaker 2>like that is gross.

747
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:13.480
<v Speaker 1>And then he's shooting people just because he's on their property, Like,

748
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:17.519
<v Speaker 1>could you imagine just being like, oh, you caught me

749
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:21.400
<v Speaker 1>stealing some crops? Your dead? Both.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you would never think that if you confronted

751
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.400
<v Speaker 2>someone on your property. You would never think that, Well

752
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:31.360
<v Speaker 2>you would, I guess. I guess you would. The I

753
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:35.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know. At first I didn't think you would. But yeah,

754
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.880
<v Speaker 2>it's easy that someone trespassing could shoot you quite easily,

755
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:39.239
<v Speaker 2>oh man.

756
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:41.400
<v Speaker 1>But it just goes to show the type of individual

757
00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:47.119
<v Speaker 1>he was. You know, he's trespassing and he's shooting the landowner.

758
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:49.440
<v Speaker 2>And the fact that he's just getting away with all

759
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Speaker 2>of this stuff, it's a little bit mind blowing.

760
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, in the end, he didn't get away with it.

761
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.159
<v Speaker 1>In the end, his own actions is why he died.

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<v Speaker 1>So but yeah, hopefully you guys enjoyed that story. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a different one, and yeah, fuck

764
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Ken Rex Mackelroy.

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<v Speaker 2>No kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not one to like bullies. I quite often will

767
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:11.599
<v Speaker 1>stand up to bullies if I see one. I have

768
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:13.440
<v Speaker 1>no problems speaking out against them. So I have a

769
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.760
<v Speaker 1>feeling if I were in that situation.

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<v Speaker 2>You probably would have got shot.

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<v Speaker 1>I probably would have gotten shot. I either I would

772
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 1>have gotten shot or he would have gotten shot. One

773
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:25.039
<v Speaker 1>of us would have gotten shot.

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00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:30.599
<v Speaker 2>Guarantee you would be what's the guy's name? Del Yeah, potentially,

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00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:32.519
<v Speaker 2>I know because at the beginning, I was like, oh,

776
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<v Speaker 2>I would go out there because I don't know. I

777
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:37.280
<v Speaker 2>still feel like if someone was just outside my home,

778
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.519
<v Speaker 2>I would lose my shit and just like go out there.

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00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:42.239
<v Speaker 1>But if you know who it is and you know

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<v Speaker 1>what they're capable of, it's a different story.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess.

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00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:48.119
<v Speaker 1>You know the monster lurking outside your home.

783
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:50.119
<v Speaker 2>At night, and then yeah, you can't even really do

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<v Speaker 2>anything about it r in regards to like like with

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00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:55.800
<v Speaker 2>police and stuff. So I guess, but oh.

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00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:59.559
<v Speaker 1>Man, that's a lock your doors and just pray for

787
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:01.800
<v Speaker 1>safety situation for most people.

788
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Or just or there's other options.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I said for most people, I clarified I

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<v Speaker 1>left room for that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just stop it at that A.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, thank you for being here. You guys are

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely incredible. Your support means the absolute world to us.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going through a little bit of administrative stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in the back end of this podcast, so if you're

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<v Speaker 1>noticing some little quirks and stuff lately, we are working

797
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<v Speaker 1>on getting them all solved out. We have had some

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<v Speaker 1>emails and messages on some little interesting little quarks that

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<v Speaker 1>are happening, so we do know about them. We're working

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<v Speaker 1>on them, and they should be taken care of soon. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So all our stuff is an inscription, you know the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And until next

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<v Speaker 2>Time, stay wicked.