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Speaker 1: Hey there, I'm Crystal and it's now time for Rainbow
Speaker 1: Crimes and hopefully some Unicorn justice.
Speaker 2: Hey guys, it's me CJ. You know, the death of
Speaker 2: Jack Scrattin is one that I've wanted to cover now
Speaker 2: for a while, and I had plans back in November
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five to cover it. One of my patrons, Storma,
Speaker 2: brought it to my attention, and ever since her wife Jordan,
Speaker 2: she's been gently nudging me to keep on it, often
Speaker 2: sharing new information with me. I had connected with Jacks's mom, Cherylynn,
Speaker 2: via text messages back in October twenty twenty five, but
Speaker 2: then some things happened in my life that made it
Speaker 2: hard for me to focus on the case as well.
Speaker 2: I knew I wanted to be careful in how I
Speaker 2: handled what I said because during that time, the suspect
Speaker 2: and or suspects weren't even really being looked at as
Speaker 2: suspects yet. Plus the case seems to be ever changing.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to say anything that could affect the case.
Speaker 2: Should the perpetrator or perpetrators be captured and charged. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a pretty delicate situation I was in with
Speaker 2: this case. I wanted to talk about it and covering
Speaker 2: it has been nagging at me every week that I've
Speaker 2: not spoken of it. I could see on social media
Speaker 2: how traumatic the effects of it's been for Jack's mom, Charylynn,
Speaker 2: and I knew I just couldn't wait any longer. So
Speaker 2: I finally asked my friend and also a Dark Cast
Speaker 2: network host, Courtney from the Book of the Dead, to
Speaker 2: help me present the case. And I wanted to bring
Speaker 2: Shaylyn on the show to talk about Jacks and to
Speaker 2: discuss the case, which we'll do after I share the
Speaker 2: case with you. But I'm going to be the first
Speaker 2: one to admit I think I'm terrible at interviewing people.
Speaker 2: I get awkward for some reason. Cortney's very good at interviews.
Speaker 2: Plus she's had a lot of experience in dealing with
Speaker 2: cases such as these, where we have to walk softly
Speaker 2: until there's justice. With that said, let me tell you
Speaker 2: a little bit about what I know of the case.
Speaker 2: Thirty four year old Jax Granton was a Denver, Colorado hairstylist.
Speaker 2: Jax was proudly a trans woman Jax was seen leaving
Speaker 2: her apartment in Denver on April fifteenth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: This was around ten pm after telling her roommate she'd
Speaker 2: be back in three hours. Her apartment surveillance camera cut
Speaker 2: footage of Jack's leaving with a man. This man is
Speaker 2: said to have been having a consensuals sexual relationship with Jacks.
Speaker 2: That man is forty four year old Brandon David Mama,
Speaker 2: although Jack's mom has disputed the claim that Jackson and
Speaker 2: Brandon were intimately involved and that was the last time
Speaker 2: JACKX was seen alive. Hours went by and Jackson returned
Speaker 2: home to her roommate. Days went by and no sign
Speaker 2: of Jack's Charylynn lives in a different state than Jack's,
Speaker 2: so their contact was mostly made via texts, phone calls,
Speaker 2: and FaceTime. On Easter Sunday, April twentieth, Charlyn was anxiously
Speaker 2: awaiting a call from Jacks, but that call would never materialize.
Speaker 2: A friend of Jax's also contacted Charylynn for they too
Speaker 2: feared something was wrong. Charylyn was under the assumption that
Speaker 2: Jackson's roommate had filed a missing persons report with the
Speaker 2: Denver police. Unfortunately, that had not come to fruition, and
Speaker 2: there was no official report on file, although the roommate
Speaker 2: had called the Denver police. On April twenty fourth, Sherilynn
Speaker 2: made an official missing persons report for Jack's with the
Speaker 2: Denver Police Department. Friends and family created flyers and posters
Speaker 2: that were stapled upon utility posts in storefronts and passed
Speaker 2: out to the citizens of Denver, but nothing and no
Speaker 2: one came forward. Still, weeks months were going by without
Speaker 2: any contact or sightings of Jacks. As for the weather,
Speaker 2: May was exceptionally rainy for that time of year in
Speaker 2: the Denver area. Now we bring in the Lakewood Police Department.
Speaker 2: Lakewood is a suburb adjacent to Denver. Lakewood Police was
Speaker 2: brought in because phone records showed Jackson's phone had pinged
Speaker 2: in an office building in Lakewood. On May twenty ninth,
Speaker 2: Lakewood Police went to the site of Jackson's phone's last ping.
Speaker 2: They searched an office space there on the second floor.
Speaker 2: At least they said they searched it, and they found nothing.
Speaker 2: I do have doubts about the quality of their investigation
Speaker 2: due to what I'm about to tell you next. By June,
Speaker 2: the weather was beginning to warm up residents at a
Speaker 2: building in Lakewood. The same building Lakewood Police supposedly investigated,
Speaker 2: were complaining about a followed or coming from somewhere, but
Speaker 2: they couldn't identify where. On June sixth, the owner of
Speaker 2: the property did a sweep of the building in its grounds,
Speaker 2: searching for what was creating the toxic smell. He finally
Speaker 2: opened up a lock gate between his building and another
Speaker 2: building that contained a narrow, four foot wide alleyway, and
Speaker 2: he proceeded into the alleyway. This is where Jack's remains
Speaker 2: would be discovered. Lakewood police were again called to investigate.
Speaker 2: You know, had they just looked out the damn window
Speaker 2: on May twenty ninth, they wouldn't have been called back. Apparently,
Speaker 2: on this visit, the office furniture, including a futon, was
Speaker 2: no longer in the office space, and this destroyed any
Speaker 2: evidence that could have potentially told the real story of
Speaker 2: what happened the night of April fifteenth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Through her own investigated powers that be, Cheryl Lynn was
Speaker 2: able to find the name of the last people to
Speaker 2: see her daughter alive. Still, Lakewood police didn't seem to
Speaker 2: be doing much about it. Lakewood Police's detective work was
Speaker 2: pretty lackluster from the start. On March eleventh of this year,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, the forty four year old man branded
Speaker 2: David Mama, with whom Jacks was last seen leaving her
Speaker 2: apartment with, was arrested by the Blue River Police Department
Speaker 2: in Colorado. Blue River is located about eighty five miles
Speaker 2: southwest of Denver. He was charged with one count of
Speaker 2: tampering with evidence in one count of tampering with a
Speaker 2: deceased human body. But this guy, he has a long
Speaker 2: ass wrap sheet his former crimes, and some of them
Speaker 2: that weren't too old look like this. Fleeing or attempting
Speaker 2: to elude officers, flight to avoid trial or punishment, possession
Speaker 2: and use of drug paraphernalia, reckless driving, failure to yield
Speaker 2: to an emergency vehicle. Another fleeing or eluding officers, disrespecting
Speaker 2: a judge, theft, possession of drugs, another possession and use
Speaker 2: of drug paraphernalia a dui. Another disrespect of a judge, stalking, harassment,
Speaker 2: loitering and prowling at night, another harassment charge, and yet
Speaker 2: another harassment charge. Nine more stalking charges, three terrorist threats,
Speaker 2: seven more harassment charges, another terrorist threat, resisting arrest, vandalism,
Speaker 2: and four more d UI's ugh, I'm exhausted to trying
Speaker 2: to name all of his crimes. According to Brandon's grand
Speaker 2: jury indictment, Jackson Brandon had known each other for a
Speaker 2: couple of years. Brandon had brought Jacks back to his
Speaker 2: office space, which was located at ninety six fifty five
Speaker 2: West Colfax Avenue in Lakewood. This would have been at
Speaker 2: ten forty one p m. On April fifteenth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: During their time spent in the two story office space,
Speaker 2: Jacks would overdose on g h B or gamma hydroxy butyrate.
Speaker 2: This is a highly potent drug and considered a date
Speaker 2: reaped drug. Now, remember this is what is in Brandon's
Speaker 2: grand jury indictment according to Brandon, but we all know
Speaker 2: criminals aren't always fourth right about the truth. Also, according
Speaker 2: to the indictment, a male friend of Brandon's would arrive
Speaker 2: at the office space at twelve fifteen am. Jax was
Speaker 2: so high on who knows what, possibly GHB, maybe something else,
Speaker 2: only wanted to sleep and did so on the futon
Speaker 2: that was in the office space. According to both Brandon
Speaker 2: and the male friend. Jax began to vomit, so Brandon
Speaker 2: and the friend rolled Jacks on to her side and
Speaker 2: they left. The Surveillance footage on the building of the
Speaker 2: office space shows the friend and Brandon leaving the building
Speaker 2: and leaving Jacks unattended at one three am. Sadly, we
Speaker 2: don't know if Jax was still alive at this time
Speaker 2: or not. No one else was seen entering or exiting
Speaker 2: the unit until five point fifty five am, and this
Speaker 2: is when Brandon returned. Brandon remained inside the U unit
Speaker 2: until six fifty seven a m. So a little over
Speaker 2: an hour, at which point he went and moved his
Speaker 2: vehicle to the north side of the building. He went
Speaker 2: back inside, and he returned with some black trash bags,
Speaker 2: which he disposed into a dumpster. Brandon then drove away
Speaker 2: from the building. Brandon was questioned by police the day
Speaker 2: they searched the office unit. He told law enforcement he
Speaker 2: had collected a few of Jack's things to return to her.
Speaker 2: At another time, he acknowledged he thought Jax might have
Speaker 2: been overdosing on drugs and he should have called nine
Speaker 2: one one instead of leaving her after she vomited. He
Speaker 2: admitted to authorities he knew she was considered a missing person,
Speaker 2: but he never came forward with any information. His admissions
Speaker 2: are contradicting. For sure, he gathered her belongings to give
Speaker 2: to her at a later date, yet he knew she
Speaker 2: was considered a missing person. Gee how rape Brandon. According
Speaker 2: to the District Attorney's office, none of Jack's belongings or
Speaker 2: her cell phone have ever been located to this day,
Speaker 2: although her phone ping near the office space at ten
Speaker 2: twenty two pm. Much later, her phone ping near Jackson's home,
Speaker 2: which means it had to have been moved by someone.
Speaker 2: Jackson's body had been found wearing the exact same clothing
Speaker 2: that she had been in when she left her apartment
Speaker 2: on April fifteenth, with the exception of Jax not wearing
Speaker 2: any shoes and possibly not a shirt. A great to
Speaker 2: an air conditioning unit was covering her lower body. The
Speaker 2: AC unit with the missing grate had a substantial dent
Speaker 2: in it. This is where Jackson's remains would be discovered,
Speaker 2: directly under a window to branded Mama's second story office.
Speaker 2: Later in June, after Jackx's body had been found, law
Speaker 2: enforcement conducted another shirt of the office space. There was
Speaker 2: a three panel window there. The middle panel did not open,
Speaker 2: but one of the side panels had a bent and
Speaker 2: partially askewed screen over it. This was something Lakewood police
Speaker 2: failed to find when they first looked over the office.
Speaker 2: When questioned about the windows screen, Brandon offered that he
Speaker 2: and Jacks had talked about crawling through a window to
Speaker 2: the other building's roof to go smoke. He suggested maybe
Speaker 2: she tried to do this when he was gone and
Speaker 2: she had fallen. However, there was no lighter, no cigarettes
Speaker 2: found near Jackson's body, and according to all those who
Speaker 2: knew her, Jax didn't smoked cigarettes. The crime scene unit
Speaker 2: took the air conditioner panel back to look for finger
Speaker 2: prints in DNA. There were zero finger printers DNA found
Speaker 2: that belonged to Jacks. The indictment alleges Brandon, on or
Speaker 2: about April sixteenth, twenty twenty five, shoved Jackson's body through
Speaker 2: the window. He also disposed of her personal belongings, all
Speaker 2: to avoid detection by police. Brandon is currently being held
Speaker 2: on one hundred thousand dollars cash only bond, and his
Speaker 2: legal proceedings are at their early stages. While the investigators
Speaker 2: believe Brandon was the last person seen with Jacks, and
Speaker 2: Jacks was very much alive when entering Brandon's office building.
Speaker 2: Brandon has yet to be charged with murder. He has
Speaker 2: requested a change of venue, feeling that media in the
Speaker 2: area has tainted his ability to get a fair trial.
Speaker 2: As of this recording, Brandon has not been approved or
Speaker 2: denied the venue change. Now, Courtney and I would love
Speaker 2: to introduce you to Cherylynn Jax Gratton's mom. Hi there,
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for meeting Courtney and I and
Speaker 2: discussing your sweet Jacks with us. When did Jacks come
Speaker 2: out as a trans woman?
Speaker 3: Twenty sixteen? It was very very simple. She she had
Speaker 3: done tons of editorials, hair and makeup Denver Fashion Week,
Speaker 3: and she flew into Moscow, Idaho. We went to my
Speaker 3: daughter's horse lesson, which was about twenty minutes away. We
Speaker 3: were sitting on the bench watching Monroe ride her horse,
Speaker 3: and she said, ma, and I said, what did you do? Jacks?
Speaker 3: Never expecting because she always kept me guessing. And she
Speaker 3: pulled out a medicine bottle of hormones and said, I'm
Speaker 3: going to transition into a woman. And I said, well,
Speaker 3: that's great, wonderful. Monroe finished with their lesson and the
Speaker 3: twenty minute ride home, she explained to Monroe was eight
Speaker 3: nine or ten at the time, explained to her what
Speaker 3: was going on, and from that point on she had
Speaker 3: a sister and she was tickle Pink. Monroe has never
Speaker 3: misgendered Jack's never messed up with Jack's name. And then
Speaker 3: my daughter was female. She started showing me pictures of
Speaker 3: her boobs growing, and she was very upset because she
Speaker 3: was lopsided. And I said, you know, seventy five percent
Speaker 3: of women have lopsided boob, so you can't be perfect.
Speaker 3: I tried to talk her out of the enlargement processes
Speaker 3: all along the way because I don't believe in surgeries.
Speaker 3: Surgeries are risky. I worked in Vegas for twenty years,
Speaker 3: knew a lot of contail waitresses, knew a lot of dealers.
Speaker 3: A lot of my friends had boob jobs, and a
Speaker 3: lot I took care of a lot of people that
Speaker 3: had boob jobs and had do the draining process. Some
Speaker 3: people would get infected and that was terribly painful and
Speaker 3: cruel for a woman. So I always tried to talk
Speaker 3: her out of all of her surgeries. But she was
Speaker 3: always persistent. She always raised enough money, she always took
Speaker 3: time off work, she always had everything taken care of.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So Jack's went through with the boob surgery.
Speaker 3: Yes, and she ended up having to have it three
Speaker 3: different times. Oh no, the first time she got him
Speaker 3: too big. The second time they'd left a staple in
Speaker 3: her chest, and so hence they had to go back
Speaker 3: and get the staple out and they fixed them. So
Speaker 3: they were absolutely perfect. She was very proud of her boobs.
Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 3: But the thing with Jacks was she was born that way.
Speaker 3: I have a picture of her dressing up. Her transition
Speaker 3: was not tough, was not difficult, was not anything. When
Speaker 3: she told me she was gay at fourteen years old, okay,
Speaker 3: it was no big deal. Sigfried and Roy, who were
Speaker 3: friends of mine in Las Vegas, told me that Jacks
Speaker 3: was gay when we went over to see their tigers
Speaker 3: when she was five. So you know that about your child.
Speaker 3: Someone told me that to be a transgender parent, you
Speaker 3: have to grieve the loss of your child. You're so
Speaker 3: in Jack's case, you had to grieve the loss of
Speaker 3: my son, and then you have to celebrate the rebirth
Speaker 3: of Jack's my daughter. Jacks's personality didn't change at all.
Speaker 3: Jack's what she did, what she loved. There was never
Speaker 3: even a gray line. It was black and white. This
Speaker 3: is Jack's, this is Jack's as my son, and this
Speaker 3: is Jacks as my daughter, and that they're exactly the same,
Speaker 3: except for one has boobs. Their personality everything nobody questioned.
Speaker 3: Nobody questioned Jack's at all.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to know if you have one special
Speaker 2: memory of Jacks that you'd like to share with us.
Speaker 2: Hundreds you could pick one, what would it be?
Speaker 3: Mine would be We had to move to Moscow, Idaho
Speaker 3: from Las Vegas, Nevada, because I had gotten sick for
Speaker 3: the first time. Jacks was I think eleven at the time,
Speaker 3: and in Las Vegas he had a lot of Jewish
Speaker 3: girlfriends friends that were Jewish, and so he wanted to
Speaker 3: be Jewish because his dad's uncle was Jewish uncle Alan,
Speaker 3: aunt Dottie and went to Batmanzvah's. I always had the
Speaker 3: best gift. But we moved to Moscow, Idaho, and my
Speaker 3: mother was real big in all the church scenes. She
Speaker 3: had played organ in the Catholic Church. She also studied Catechism.
Speaker 3: She also studied the Book of Mormage, and she also
Speaker 3: played the piano at the Methodist church. So Jack's. The
Speaker 3: only private school in Moscow, Idaho at the time was
Speaker 3: the Catholic School, so I enrolled my book into public school.
Speaker 3: Jacks went to his grammy pat and said, I want
Speaker 3: to go to the Catholic school. Papa Jacks and Grammy
Speaker 3: Maryland were raised Catholic, so that's what I want to do.
Speaker 3: So we walked in. My mother made an appointment with
Speaker 3: Sister Mary Catherine or Mary Margaret, who is still alive,
Speaker 3: and we had this meeting and she asked Jacks about
Speaker 3: her faith and Jack Jax spoke up and said, you know,
Speaker 3: actually I'm Jewish, and my mother just about fell off
Speaker 3: of her seat. But Jack's was then enrolled. He got
Speaker 3: a little scholar she got a little scholarship, and then
Speaker 3: my mother paid the other So she went to private school.
Speaker 3: I think it was the second day that she was there.
Speaker 3: She told us at breakfast that we needed to come
Speaker 3: to the morning Mass, and the kids walked over from
Speaker 3: the school to the church and there was my daughter
Speaker 3: walking up and she gave the morning recognition and the
Speaker 3: morning ceremony for all the kids and she it was
Speaker 3: her second day in to school, which absolutely crazy to
Speaker 3: me that she had it memorized. She didn't mess up
Speaker 3: on any of the words, and she got up in
Speaker 3: front of all the whole community who went to eight
Speaker 3: o'clock or nine o'clock, whatever time it was. And my
Speaker 3: mother was very, very impressed with my daughter at that time,
Speaker 3: which was wonderful because from that school too, she also
Speaker 3: started playing the saxophone. She made lifelong friends at that school,
Speaker 3: and she only attended Saint Mary's for I think a
Speaker 3: year and a half the time I was in Moscow.
Speaker 3: So that is one of my favorite stories of the
Speaker 3: hundreds I have.
Speaker 2: I love that. Thank you for sharing that. Okay, So
Speaker 2: I would like to get into the case a little
Speaker 2: bit now. Resources that I've read state that you don't
Speaker 2: believe Jacks was in an intimate relationship with Brandon David Mama.
Speaker 2: Has that believe changed?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not branded David Mama was Jack's drug dealer. They
Speaker 3: met online. This is fact. I don't know why people
Speaker 3: are trying to say it's a boyfriend girlfriend thing. I
Speaker 3: know that in the last around three years Brandon Mama
Speaker 3: had relations which relations I'm saying sex six times with
Speaker 3: my daughter Jacks. I know that Jack's had problems with
Speaker 3: substance abuse, but always put herself into treatment. I know
Speaker 3: that Jacks went on a dating site when she had slipped,
Speaker 3: and at transgender site where everybody knew she was transgender.
Speaker 3: There's pictures of her and asking for anybody with drugs,
Speaker 3: drugs for sex. That is how she met Brandon. Mama.
Speaker 3: It was never boyfriend girlfriend. In those three years, they
Speaker 3: went months without talking, and if you know anything about
Speaker 3: addiction and slipping, those encounters could have been two or
Speaker 3: three in a week's time for drugs. But Jack's always
Speaker 3: pulled herself out of it. I did not know about
Speaker 3: this last time that she was struggling. Usually she would
Speaker 3: call me, but unfortunately she died. I can guarantee you
Speaker 3: she did not die of a drug overdose because the
Speaker 3: corner Lakewood Police, everybody involved. If there was one ounce
Speaker 3: that they could prove that it was a drug overdose,
Speaker 3: they would have because when it was given to me,
Speaker 3: first of all, they told me that people had given
Speaker 3: them tips that she had overdosed and she was using
Speaker 3: I think heroin. The first thing is, Jacks did not
Speaker 3: even take her hormones with a needle because she from
Speaker 3: the very young age hated needles. People got back to
Speaker 3: me that she had to have her surgeries with that
Speaker 3: she wanted. They had to sedate her orally before they
Speaker 3: could even start an IV. My daughter did not stick
Speaker 3: a needle in her arm. Ever, So when Lakewood Police said, well,
Speaker 3: we have tips that she was using narcotics, you know,
Speaker 3: shooting them in her arm, that never happened. If anything
Speaker 3: got shot into her arm, it was not her. She
Speaker 3: physically could not do that. She hated needles.
Speaker 2: So that would lead me to ask, you have you
Speaker 2: seen the autopsy report.
Speaker 3: I have the autopsy report. I'd be happy to give
Speaker 3: it to you.
Speaker 2: Could you tell me what the official cause of death was?
Speaker 3: Undetermined?
Speaker 2: Oh I love when they put that undetermined.
Speaker 3: Okay, but she had for almost a year, everybody came
Speaker 3: at me that she jumps, fell or was pushed out
Speaker 3: brand of mama's side window. So Jack is not going
Speaker 3: to jump out a window into a dark alley with
Speaker 3: no shoes on, no shirt, no glasses because she couldn't see.
Speaker 3: She has very very near sighted. She didn't she left
Speaker 3: her house with glasses on. She did not take her
Speaker 3: contacts with she afraid of height, afraid of the dark.
Speaker 3: There is no state of mind where she would have
Speaker 3: jumped out of that window. If somebody was attacking her,
Speaker 3: she would have fought instead of going out a window,
Speaker 3: which in the there was no fingerprints, no hair residue,
Speaker 3: no anything of Jack's on that window. Granted it, they
Speaker 3: didn't take it out until fifty two days later, But
Speaker 3: she didn't go out that window so broken hot hyoid
Speaker 3: bone in her neck on the right side, broken clavicle
Speaker 3: and ribs that were not broken. And I don't have
Speaker 3: the autopsy in front of me because I'm at the
Speaker 3: lake worries that they were not broken, but there was
Speaker 3: injury to her ribs. With that being said, down below
Speaker 3: and I have the pictures down below the window there's
Speaker 3: an air conditioning unit. And everybody, even people that are
Speaker 3: positive to the case, said Sherry. She probably went out
Speaker 3: that window and hit that air conditioning unit because it's
Speaker 3: dented on top. Okay, if that's the case, why did
Speaker 3: Lakewood police not take that to the lab and go
Speaker 3: through it, take it apart see if there's any trace
Speaker 3: of Jack's on it. Why didn't they do that? If
Speaker 3: now you're telling me she jumped fellow was pushed out
Speaker 3: that window. Why wouldn't you take a dented cylinder square
Speaker 3: cylinder if you think that that might have caused harm,
Speaker 3: because it didn't. She was dead before she was placed
Speaker 3: in that alley. Did she die of an overdose? I
Speaker 3: don't think so. Did somebody harm her? I think so.
Speaker 3: They say that there was no defensive wounds, that she
Speaker 3: was trying to fight somebody. They told me. That told
Speaker 3: me that, and how new DNA evidence was released in
Speaker 3: December or there wasn't released to the public, But I
Speaker 3: was told by Lakewood police that they have new evidence
Speaker 3: in my research. If they have new evidence that came
Speaker 3: from either underneath her fingernails or in her mouth, they
Speaker 3: already have brand of Mama's DNA. So this is coming
Speaker 3: from another source, which I said all along. I don't
Speaker 3: know about the person who went to the grand jury.
Speaker 3: I can't say his name because the DA asked me
Speaker 3: not to. He should be If Brandon Mama's story is
Speaker 3: that he left her and she had overdosed, the person
Speaker 3: that is backing up Brandon Mama's story should be charged.
Speaker 3: Also they both left somebody supposedly throwing up, knowing that
Speaker 3: she did drugs. One of the statements that the police
Speaker 3: told me was that she woke up, started throwing up,
Speaker 3: and started screaming at the two men to leave the office.
Speaker 3: They were such gentlemen. They turned her on this side
Speaker 3: and left, but did not call the police, did not
Speaker 3: call the ambulance. That's why my thought. In Colorado, the
Speaker 3: state law is you can't be punished if you report
Speaker 3: an overdose, and these guys would know that when's a
Speaker 3: drug dealer. Yeah, the other one I don't know much about.
Speaker 3: Going back to.
Speaker 2: The autopsy report, were there any signs of track marks.
Speaker 3: No, Well, she was decomposed for fifty two days, but
Speaker 3: absolutely not. And she showed her arms, her feet, her
Speaker 3: toes on a daily basis. She wore a lot of
Speaker 3: sleeveless shirts because she was proud of her arms, and
Speaker 3: she had beautiful tattoos.
Speaker 4: I wanted to follow up on what the atopsy report said.
Speaker 4: I'm a little confused as to the ondetermined cause of
Speaker 4: death because you mentioned the broke hyoid bone, you mentioned
Speaker 4: the broken clavicle. That's indicative of some sort of assault,
Speaker 4: you know, you mentioned, well, she didn't have any defensive wounds.
Speaker 4: That's what they're saying, but she was confirmed to have
Speaker 4: been under the effects of GHB and then at least
Speaker 4: according to the Denver I the toxicology reports found meth inputomine, THHC,
Speaker 4: sidle apram, and trasidone in her system. So if she
Speaker 4: has this in her system, of course she's not going
Speaker 4: to fight back. I mean, they brandon Mamma's claiming she's overdosing,
Speaker 4: So there's she wouldn't fight back. So I'm a little
Speaker 4: confused to the undetermined cause of death. I don't I
Speaker 4: don't understand why that is their line of thinking in
Speaker 4: that regard.
Speaker 3: Right, And I have to say, Jackson had a pelvic kidney, okay,
Speaker 3: so any drugs in her system, I would hope that
Speaker 3: they would have taken hair samples because then you can
Speaker 3: see how long she had been using drugs, what drugs
Speaker 3: she had been using. She also used adderall twice a day.
Speaker 3: She took it in the morning and at night. The
Speaker 3: levels of those drugs in her system would change beings
Speaker 3: when she died. There's a huge discussion that adderall all
Speaker 3: can test positive of meth amphetamine. I honestly believe that
Speaker 3: if you look at the drugs that were in her
Speaker 3: system and what she tested positive for. If it was
Speaker 3: a drug overdose, they would have called it a drug overdose.
Speaker 3: Period end of story. I think they wanted me to
Speaker 3: call it a drug overdose, and I wanted proof. They
Speaker 3: did not give me proof. At no time do they
Speaker 3: say adderall or anything like that. She had a prescription
Speaker 3: for adderall. I know she took it twice a day,
Speaker 3: morning and night, and if she was leaving her house
Speaker 3: at ten o'clock, I'm sure she would have taken her
Speaker 3: last dose sometime around there. So there you go. The
Speaker 3: other thing as far as the GHB, GHB is a
Speaker 3: natural incurrence. When you die, your body produces and as
Speaker 3: you decomposed, produces GHB. A lot of people don't know that,
Speaker 3: but it does.
Speaker 4: Jack. When Jacques initially disappeared on April fifteenth, or that
Speaker 4: was the last thay she'd been seen, and during the
Speaker 4: course of her being missing, you know, what was that
Speaker 4: search like for you as her mother, and what were
Speaker 4: some of the hurdles you had to jump through to
Speaker 4: try and get results.
Speaker 3: I had to trust in people i'd never met. People
Speaker 3: came to stories with me that now I know who
Speaker 3: they are, But there actually were people that inserted themselves
Speaker 3: into Jack's case that Jack's was their mentor. They never
Speaker 3: met Jax. I had to put trust in people. I
Speaker 3: believed in people. People were so very helpful. I find
Speaker 3: a lot of the people that showed up afterwards that
Speaker 3: never met JACKX. It was scary as heck. I never
Speaker 3: ever expected this to happen. Ever, my daughter shared way
Speaker 3: too much with me, so searching for Jacks was horrifying.
Speaker 3: It was my daughter's first year in college, my youngest daughter,
Speaker 3: and that was very, very tough. Jack's two brothers were
Speaker 3: having a very hard time. Dana is only a year
Speaker 3: and a day younger than Jack's. They were raised pretty
Speaker 3: much like twins. I talked to Jack's on a FaceTime
Speaker 3: April eleventh and asked her how things were going. She
Speaker 3: was beautiful, fold face, some makeup, her hair was done.
Speaker 3: She was rushing to the post office before she went
Speaker 3: to the salon, and she said, Mom, I'm just super
Speaker 3: super busy. I'm taking this class. I'm really gonna change
Speaker 3: get my business going. I didn't even think of checking
Speaker 3: up on her. Easter was coming. Easter was a big
Speaker 3: for us, and that was okay, I'll talk to you
Speaker 3: on Easter. Okay, great Easter morning came and she used
Speaker 3: to she's a holiday girl and would call everybody and
Speaker 3: sing little Bunny foofoo because it's a big joke in
Speaker 3: my family because little bunny foo foo it really when
Speaker 3: you sing it, it can be horrifying, bopping the field
Speaker 3: nice on the head. And I did my regular Instagram
Speaker 3: Happy Easter post everybody, and I hadn't heard from Jacks.
Speaker 3: Went on without my day. I'm a caregiver, so once
Speaker 3: Annie got up, took care of her, and then when
Speaker 3: she was eating her breakfast, I called Jacks again, called
Speaker 3: my other kids and wished him a happy Easter, and
Speaker 3: thought this is really strange, but didn't. I wasn't alarmed
Speaker 3: alarmed because sometimes, like on Thanksgiving, she goes to a
Speaker 3: lot of people friendsgiving and shell if she made food
Speaker 3: or whatever, she shows me the trays. And one Thanksgiving,
Speaker 3: I think she had three different friends givings to go to.
Speaker 3: She ate Thanksgiving dinner three different times, which was total Jacks.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't until later in the evening and when
Speaker 3: I didn't hear anything, didn't hear anything, I called my
Speaker 3: ex husband and he hadn't heard anything, and none of
Speaker 3: my kids had heard anything. Couldn't sleep that night and
Speaker 3: was on my phone and saw that Pope Francis had
Speaker 3: died the morning right after Easter. So I just knew
Speaker 3: that Jack's was horrified because Pope Francis was Jack's rockstar,
Speaker 3: constantly sending me stuff about what Pope Francis did. Really
Speaker 3: felt accepted by the Catholic Church because of Pope Francis
Speaker 3: and nothing. So that was Monday. Called my ex husband
Speaker 3: again and was like, do you have friends in Denver still?
Speaker 3: Because we had a bar in a restaurant in Denver,
Speaker 3: and so he got a hold of his buddy. I
Speaker 3: started calling Jack's shop. I didn't know Brandy at that time.
Speaker 3: I left a message. I booked an appointment through Jack's
Speaker 3: online thing. And in November Jack's had lost her phone,
Speaker 3: so I was hoping that was the case that she
Speaker 3: lost her phone, because that was a big deal losing
Speaker 3: your phone getting your phone back. And it was Easter Sunday,
Speaker 3: so I could see this happening. So then Mike knew
Speaker 3: how to check for jails. I started calling hospitals, I
Speaker 3: started calling corners, I started calling treatment centers, and you
Speaker 3: have to realize anytime Jackson went into treatment. She had
Speaker 3: to plan it out because she didn't have insurance. She
Speaker 3: had to plan it out. She had to fix her
Speaker 3: books to make sure that her clients were taken care of.
Speaker 3: In her purse. I have her purse because I knew,
Speaker 3: I know that she wasn't using money for drugs, because
Speaker 3: I have her credit cards, I have her ID. I
Speaker 3: have her purse with a purple alcohol anonymous thing or
Speaker 3: nark whatever, and another one. And the purple one I
Speaker 3: know is very important to her because she would FaceTime
Speaker 3: me and we'd be talking, and she carried that medallion
Speaker 3: on her a lot. It was like her lucky charm,
Speaker 3: and she'd take it out and kiss it and say
Speaker 3: goodbye mom, you know. And that was in her purse.
Speaker 3: But there was a check that somebody had been to
Speaker 3: her salon and Jacks had signed the back and probably
Speaker 3: automatically put it in her account. I got a hold
Speaker 3: of the lady and she said Jack's was not used.
Speaker 3: I have been a client of Jack's since she was
Speaker 3: in beauty school, and I followed her and Jacks has
Speaker 3: always this woman gets her hair done every six weeks.
Speaker 3: So Jax would call her and let her know that
Speaker 3: if she was going into treatment or if she was
Speaker 3: having surgery, to say, I'm going in to treatment, I've
Speaker 3: been having a hard time. I'm going to be gone
Speaker 3: this amount of time. Would you like a haircut before
Speaker 3: I go in? Or are you good? And the lady
Speaker 3: would say, oh, you know, put me in before you go.
Speaker 3: And that was with surgeries too, because she took out
Speaker 3: a lot of time with surgery.
Speaker 4: What you went through, you know, in the search for her,
Speaker 4: and I guess to kind of piggyback off of that,
Speaker 4: there was a lot of issues that you had to
Speaker 4: contend with with the Coroner's office and the Lakewood Police,
Speaker 4: you know, including alleged misgendering and dead naming of Jack.
Speaker 4: You know, how did that impact the investigation and you know,
Speaker 4: subsequently your grieving process for them to, you know, have
Speaker 4: this blatant disrespect.
Speaker 3: I dill, I know have not grieved. I have suffered PTSD.
Speaker 3: I have tripped over Jack's body in the middle of
Speaker 3: the night when I've gotten up, when my client has
Speaker 3: called and needed help to the restroom. I have smelled
Speaker 3: Jack's decomposing body. I went to visit my daughter Monroe
Speaker 3: in Missouri over Christmas and she was taking care of
Speaker 3: a dog, and I could see from her dorm room
Speaker 3: where the puppy, where the dog thing was, and she
Speaker 3: called me and said, watch this, watch Kodak, and I
Speaker 3: looked at the window and I saw my daughter's decomposed
Speaker 3: body with no eyes and no with their hair still
Speaker 3: pulled back. And it took me probably twenty five seconds
Speaker 3: because my first inclination was to save Monroe, who was
Speaker 3: down with their dog. It wasn't It's not I didn't
Speaker 3: see that, but in my head it was just trauma.
Speaker 3: Because I'd been fighting all through December with information, trying
Speaker 3: to get information from the detectives. It's been awful, I
Speaker 3: do have to say now that I think about it.
Speaker 3: So this little group of Jack's Warriors to give perfect
Speaker 3: strangers and Jack's good friend Kaylee, who Kaylee was a
Speaker 3: student of Jack's. I was on the internet twenty four
Speaker 3: to seven. We would get tips in real time and
Speaker 3: be able to get a hold of somebody that said, hey,
Speaker 3: can you verify that this is not Jack's or this
Speaker 3: is Jacks. We were able to do that in real
Speaker 3: time hours and a lot of times days before the
Speaker 3: Denver police could, just because of the network and there
Speaker 3: was so many helpers, so many people turned in tips
Speaker 3: that the bad thing was is they reported her with
Speaker 3: red hair. I watched so much video and saw so
Speaker 3: many pictures of women with red hair, sis women, transgender women.
Speaker 3: If you had red hair, I know who you are.
Speaker 3: But we were able to do that. And that's the
Speaker 3: other thing that there's people in Jack's community that knew
Speaker 3: about mama and allowed us to go fifty two days
Speaker 3: of this searching. And that's sick. That's not a friend.
Speaker 3: That's not a friend to the LGBTQ community. You were
Speaker 3: not respected. I don't care if you assue me, because
Speaker 3: what do I have. I have a twenty thirteen kia
Speaker 3: and a daughter in college, so you're not going to
Speaker 3: get much from me. I feel that it will all
Speaker 3: come out in the wash, just like I yelled and
Speaker 3: yelled and yelled she did. Even people that supported me.
Speaker 3: We're trying to convince me that she jumped, fell, or
Speaker 3: was thrown out that window. We can prove that she
Speaker 3: did not. She did not go out that window alive.
Speaker 3: If she went out that window, I do not know
Speaker 3: how they placed her in that alley, but she did
Speaker 3: not go out that window on her own. Recard. She
Speaker 3: did not jump off the roof. That's what other people
Speaker 3: were telling me. Also is that drug addicts are always
Speaker 3: on that roof and they jump between that building and
Speaker 3: the pawn shop. No, especially with no shoes on. Jax
Speaker 3: couldn't walk a beach without sandals because she had tender feet.
Speaker 3: And she was just She's that girly girl that you
Speaker 3: can't take anywhere because they need a blow dryer, a
Speaker 3: curling iron, and shower jaw. That was just her and
Speaker 3: she was like that even before she transitioned. She was
Speaker 3: high maintenance, loved loved pretty things. And I think that
Speaker 3: Lakewood Police and Lakewood City and Lakewood Corner did not
Speaker 3: want to have the bad press of a dead transgender woman.
Speaker 3: So I don't know how they can be so unprofessional
Speaker 3: and not follow the evidence.
Speaker 4: I agree you've been You've absolutely been put in a
Speaker 4: position that no one should be put in, let alone
Speaker 4: you know a mother. This past March, Brandon Mama was
Speaker 4: indicted for tampering with a deceased body as well as
Speaker 4: tampering with evidence. Even though he had that outburst in
Speaker 4: court saying he didn't do what they say he did.
Speaker 4: You know, what was your reaction to hearing the indictment.
Speaker 4: Does it feel like a step towards justice for Jax
Speaker 4: or do you think it's kind of a way of
Speaker 4: them holding someone accountable without actually having to ask the
Speaker 4: really hard questions about what happened.
Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you so. The DA, the Jefferson
Speaker 3: County be has had Jack's file since October. They put
Speaker 3: it to a grand jury. I have and will never
Speaker 3: know what they put to the grand jury. I am
Speaker 3: thinking they only gave them two options, because putting it
Speaker 3: to a grand jury then a lot of the other
Speaker 3: charges can't come forward. I didn't understand a lot of
Speaker 3: the legal stuff until after it came out. The main
Speaker 3: DA called me. I was picking up prescriptions at Walmart,
Speaker 3: got in my car and called them back, and she
Speaker 3: had all these people and said, Okay, Brandon, mama's arrested.
Speaker 3: He's in jail, and DA da da, da dah, And
Speaker 3: this is what we did. And who's sitting in on
Speaker 3: the meeting the two prosecuting attorneys, who are the best
Speaker 3: of the best, which I have heard from the beginning
Speaker 3: from Lakewood at the best of the best detectives, the
Speaker 3: best of the best, corner the best of the best
Speaker 3: and introduces me to somebody who says she introduces her
Speaker 3: as an advocate. She is not an advocate because myself
Speaker 3: and my family are not victims. Jack's was not a victim.
Speaker 3: I guess and thinking now, yay, I have an advocate.
Speaker 3: The person who is that person? All she is responsible
Speaker 3: to do is to make sure that I know the
Speaker 3: court dates. That's it. Nothing, nothing, So he was indicted.
Speaker 3: So I get SIS women who have been hurt by
Speaker 3: Brandon Mama. Where do I go to? My detective at
Speaker 3: Lakewood can no longer talk to me. My detective at
Speaker 3: Denver cannot talk to me anymore. Who do I send
Speaker 3: these women to? I have women that say I will testify.
Speaker 3: Let me testify that are SIS women. Transgender women who
Speaker 3: have been hurt and choked by Brandon Mama are afraid
Speaker 3: will not come forward. I do not blame them. The
Speaker 3: show of forty police officers in full uniform coming to
Speaker 3: the council meeting the night of the vote shows me
Speaker 3: just how ignorant that police force is. You do not
Speaker 3: do that. It was ugly, it was gross, And if
Speaker 3: you're a transgender woman and live in Lakewood, you know
Speaker 3: that you're not going to report anything period. You're just
Speaker 3: not going to do it to that police force. But
Speaker 3: I have SIS women now that are coming forward from
Speaker 3: Denver and from where brandon Mama lived where he was arrested,
Speaker 3: stating that he hurt them. Where do I give that
Speaker 3: information to? Who do I give it to? I try
Speaker 3: to give it to the DA's investigator. What they want
Speaker 3: me to do is give them everybody's name and everybody's
Speaker 3: phone number. These women have been sexually abused. I said, no,
Speaker 3: do you not have a number that I can have
Speaker 3: them call you there in a safe place, Let them
Speaker 3: call you on their own time. They refuse to do that.
Speaker 3: Not the transgender women. That's fine. I have still so
Speaker 3: much respect for you even contacting me and telling me
Speaker 3: your story that I appreciate and that is so very brave.
Speaker 3: The CIS women I contacted, they said, please, I will
Speaker 3: tell whoever you want. Turned that I couldn't get a
Speaker 3: hold of the investigator because I had no information, So
Speaker 3: I had to turn that over to Linda, and then
Speaker 3: I had to hold from someone that I don't respect,
Speaker 3: I don't know, and trust that she turns it over
Speaker 3: to the investigator or to the DAS that are prosecuting
Speaker 3: Brandon MoMA. Did she do that? I don't know. I
Speaker 3: know that it took fourteen days for the investigator to
Speaker 3: reach the first person who Brandon Mama had harmed. My
Speaker 3: PI has been very, very busy because if they told
Speaker 3: me they wanted their story recorded, some have filed police reports.
Speaker 3: He went to each and every one of them and
Speaker 3: interviewed them, so we have record if anything happens to him,
Speaker 3: what has taken place, verified, so on and so forth.
Speaker 3: We now have that record. So when Brandon Mama tells
Speaker 3: his story, he's gotten off over and over and over
Speaker 3: and over again. We now have recourse. So these women
Speaker 3: are not just floating in the air and worried that
Speaker 3: somebody's going to show up. He has had stocking stalking people.
Speaker 3: Hopefully people will have justice. And that's another justice for
Speaker 3: Jacks is that women, transgender or cists, it is not
Speaker 3: your right to have sex with them, It is not
Speaker 3: your right to drug them, It is not your right
Speaker 3: to choke them, especially transgender women. That seems to be
Speaker 3: the big thing that he just drugs and rapes CIS women,
Speaker 3: but transgender women he has a history of choking. Does
Speaker 3: that have to do with Jack's death.
Speaker 4: I have no idea it was, but certainly explained the
Speaker 4: broken hyoid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but because Jack's had problems in the past with
Speaker 3: drugs doesn't mean she should have died that night. If
Speaker 3: we do even go along with his story and the
Speaker 3: person backing up his story, you didn't call nine one one,
Speaker 3: You didn't put her in a car. You had a car,
Speaker 3: you left in a car with another man. You did
Speaker 3: not get help if my daughter was dying of a
Speaker 3: drug overdose, and that's cruel. And she did not go
Speaker 3: out that win do so either you kept her someplace else.
Speaker 3: And then when they came and served you, why why
Speaker 3: On the twenty ninth, when Denver police served a search
Speaker 3: warrant inside of that office, Lakewood police were outside that office.
Speaker 3: Nobody looked over the fence, Nobody did a perimeter check.
Speaker 3: That's crazy to me. Was she there the whole time?
Speaker 3: All you would add to do is or look out
Speaker 3: the dang window. And you didn't see my daughter's decomposing body.
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. And if we go by that whole story,
Speaker 3: she should have been found on the twenty ninth. That
Speaker 3: is negligence. What I hear, this is my nightmare is
Speaker 3: my daughter yelling stop stop, help me, help me stop,
Speaker 3: and it's in her voice. It's crazy. But I don't
Speaker 3: know who killed her. I don't think it was drugs.
Speaker 3: I think somebody killed her. I think that I will
Speaker 3: never know the truth because there's too much lying. I
Speaker 3: think that there's too many people. There was not a
Speaker 3: proper investigation the Mama camp and people surrounded around the
Speaker 3: Mama camp. I've been I've been threatened to be sued,
Speaker 3: that somebody's going to sue me because I was doing
Speaker 3: my own investigation on the side IDPI the second week
Speaker 3: of May. That nobody knew about who volunteered the resources,
Speaker 3: and he is a CIS male, He's very good at
Speaker 3: his job. We got a lot of information. And now
Speaker 3: since Mama has been indicted, I received CIS women's call
Speaker 3: that they had had terrible interactions with Brandon Mama dating
Speaker 3: back fifteen years ago to present. He was in trouble
Speaker 3: before Jack's went missing, he was in trouble during Jack's
Speaker 3: going missing, and he committed lots of crimes after they
Speaker 3: found Jack's body. Brandon Mama's outburst in court stating that
Speaker 3: Jack said that she loved me, do you know, Jack
Speaker 3: stated she loved me the night before. Well, of course
Speaker 3: she did. She's an addict and you're probably giving her
Speaker 3: drugs for sex. So is that love? No, and my
Speaker 3: daughter told everyone that she loved him. One of my
Speaker 3: favorite stories is Monroe who visited Jack's. They're walking and
Speaker 3: there's a homeless guy. Jack's gets in her purse and
Speaker 3: hands the guy at five dollars and shakes the guy's
Speaker 3: hand and looks them in the eye. And anybody who
Speaker 3: knew my daughter knows, I mean, this is something she
Speaker 3: would do hundreds of times. And Monroe said she told
Speaker 3: the homeless guy she loved him. She told everybody she
Speaker 3: loved them. I don't know what kind of flex Branda
Speaker 3: Mama tried to state, but definitely there was no relationship.
Speaker 3: I have screamed and yelled this to the police and
Speaker 3: to the DA. The DA's answer was, you know, I
Speaker 3: have a relationship with the investigator that was sitting in
Speaker 3: a meeting. But I think when people say, the media,
Speaker 3: the DA, the police say it was a consensual sexual relationship. No,
Speaker 3: he never took Jacks on a date. Jacks would probably
Speaker 3: not be seen in public with Branda Mama because Brandon
Speaker 3: Mama is not her type because he looks like a
Speaker 3: drug If it walks, talks, acts like a drug dealer,
Speaker 3: it is a drug dealer. That is not the person
Speaker 3: past boyfriends that Jacks had. There, you go, I'm not embarrassed.
Speaker 3: My daughter had a problem, but she always pulled herself
Speaker 3: out of it. She'd been to treatment three times. One
Speaker 3: time they kicked her out because she was a transgender woman,
Speaker 3: and she paid and somebody dropped her off in Colorado
Speaker 3: Springs where this great treatment center was. She had a
Speaker 3: great roommate in the beginning. Then that roommate left because
Speaker 3: it was shared rooms. The next roommate that came in
Speaker 3: did not like rooming with a transgender female. So instead
Speaker 3: of getting Jack's a new roommate or giving Jacks a
Speaker 3: private room, they put her in like a camp setting
Speaker 3: with the men. That was not good. So of course
Speaker 3: my daughter stood up for herself, went to the director
Speaker 3: and said, this is not going to work. Jack's had
Speaker 3: no money, no clothes because she was going into treatment.
Speaker 3: She got a ride there from a friend. They gave
Speaker 3: her a bus ticket at nine thirty at night in
Speaker 3: Colorado Springs and took her to the bus station where
Speaker 3: she had to wait for the next morning to take
Speaker 3: a bus back to Denver to go to her house.
Speaker 3: The first time she ever went to treatment, it was
Speaker 3: for methamphetamine. She told me about it. I helped her.
Speaker 3: She had to go to the Denver South the Hospital.
Speaker 3: She did very good. She put herself into treatment because
Speaker 3: she didn't like marijuana is legal, but for Jack's it was.
Speaker 3: It was not a good thing. So I think people
Speaker 3: need to realize that she was not a heroin addict. Yes,
Speaker 3: she did do math at one point in her life.
Speaker 3: I don't know what she was using now. I don't
Speaker 3: know why she didn't call me. I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I think I do know why because I couldn't help
Speaker 3: her financially. I couldn't help her. I had gone through cancer.
Speaker 3: And then in December, since I hadn't worked for two years,
Speaker 3: she needed to move out of her apartment and she
Speaker 3: needed me to co sign for her. They would not
Speaker 3: take my co sign because I didn't have I didn't
Speaker 3: have any income. That was awful. Jax had money to
Speaker 3: move in, wanted to move into this special place, but
Speaker 3: she needed a co signer before the autopsy came back.
Speaker 3: Before anything came back. Lakewood police came at me and
Speaker 3: said it was a person from her community. It's no
Speaker 3: hate crime, and she overdosed, she willingly took GHB, and
Speaker 3: she willingly had consensual sex. I said, okay, a member
Speaker 3: of her community. Was it a hairdresser, a transgender male,
Speaker 3: gay male? And they said, well, we have proof she
Speaker 3: had sex with them. And I said, okay, so what
Speaker 3: are you telling me and they said, well, he's from
Speaker 3: her community. And I said, listen, this is awful. My
Speaker 3: daughter has had relationships, like long relationships with heterosexual male
Speaker 3: that claim they're not gay, because my daughter turned herself
Speaker 3: into a unicorn, which is very sought after the heterosexual
Speaker 3: married couples. So you can't tell me that the person
Speaker 3: is part of her LGBTQ community. You can just tell well,
Speaker 3: he's got to be gay. He had sex with her.
Speaker 3: That's not that's not the case some people. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: it does not make somebody gay because they had sex
Speaker 3: with my daughter, and there's all different ways to have sex,
Speaker 3: and they didn't understand that. They couldn't understand why I
Speaker 3: was offended or why I questioned them. The other thing
Speaker 3: is it's just yeah, yeah. Denver Police Detective Bennet was
Speaker 3: absolutely fabulous with me. I could tell him everything anything.
Speaker 3: He did not want me to share. Like I knew
Speaker 3: the ping. I think I reported her on Wednesday. He
Speaker 3: called me back on Thursday. He had a ping on
Speaker 3: Saturday and told me do not tell anybody. And I
Speaker 3: got a lot of heat for that because people were like,
Speaker 3: you're not doing enough. You know they can ping her phone.
Speaker 3: I knew Denver already had the ping. I knew they
Speaker 3: already had it, but I was told not to say anything.
Speaker 3: And then Lakewood from the get go was just they
Speaker 3: would tell me stuff and never I mean something like that.
Speaker 3: Did they ever tell me this is not to be shared. No,
Speaker 3: they told me that and then got off the phone.
Speaker 3: And then I went, this is wrong, this is I mean,
Speaker 3: they don't know what the heck they're talking about.
Speaker 2: Let me go ahead and I'm going to ask one
Speaker 2: more question. Is there anything we or our listeners can
Speaker 2: do to help find justice for Jacks?
Speaker 3: I hope. So now a lot of people think that
Speaker 3: justice for Jacks came from the advocate that I had
Speaker 3: to find on my own. Justice for Jacks came from me.
Speaker 3: Once I started reporting on Jack's case, I had absolutely
Speaker 3: no idea that families and this is ignorant of me
Speaker 3: to say this. I had no idea that transgender women
Speaker 3: were being raped. It was not being reported successfully, or
Speaker 3: they were afraid of the police, or they were told
Speaker 3: you're transgender, you can't be raped. I also didn't know
Speaker 3: that transgender teenagers a lot of times they're kicked out
Speaker 3: of their homes and left on the street. The community
Speaker 3: has to take care of them. To me, that was
Speaker 3: shocking because I raised my children. I have police officers,
Speaker 3: I have detectives, I have CSI people that have been
Speaker 3: friends with me my whole entire life that I respected.
Speaker 3: They didn't talk about their case outside their cases outside
Speaker 3: of work. They never demeaned a family or a transgender
Speaker 3: person or a gay person. And I taught my children
Speaker 3: if you're in if there's a problem, you go to
Speaker 3: the police. And then finding this out, I was shocked
Speaker 3: and I so humiliated by the corner and then Lakewood
Speaker 3: police and talk like I was not a person because
Speaker 3: I had just spent fifty two days until they found
Speaker 3: Jack's body opening up every single message on Facebook. I
Speaker 3: was told that I should die. I was told I
Speaker 3: should have had an abortion, because they would go through
Speaker 3: my Facebook and see that I'm for women's right. I
Speaker 3: received after Jack's was found dead and the corner reached
Speaker 3: out to someone else asking about her next surgeries, which
Speaker 3: she never had any neck surgeries. I then started receiving
Speaker 3: a cartoon character of Jack's Justice for Jacks, the little
Speaker 3: pin that we had made that was hand drawn with
Speaker 3: a noose around her neck, and then a lot of
Speaker 3: off colored transgender jokes I still to this day. So
Speaker 3: Jax went missing April fifteenth, was dead by April sixteenth.
Speaker 3: I received I would say, over fifty people stating that
Speaker 3: she was an habitual drug user. Why am I still
Speaker 3: doing this? I'm taking resources from people that really need it. Yes,
Speaker 3: my daughter. I mean any parent of an act or
Speaker 3: a person you know there's alcohol. You send your children
Speaker 3: to treatment each and every time, and you and they're
Speaker 3: good people. They are addicted to something. I've never been
Speaker 3: addicted to anything. I've never had a sponsor, I've never
Speaker 3: gone to rehab. I don't drink. I don't know how
Speaker 3: it feels to be an addict. But I support my child.
Speaker 3: But Jack's ran a successful business. She was not a
Speaker 3: drug addict. For you know ten years she went into
Speaker 3: treatment her first time that she tried hard drugs. I'm
Speaker 3: sure that she smoked pot early on in her life,
Speaker 3: but now pot's legal, so you know, don't come at
Speaker 3: me for that. I've never seen Jack's drink my whole life,
Speaker 3: even as a teenager, I never saw Jack's drink alcohol.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to say, it's not uncommon for members
Speaker 2: of the LGBTQ to be addicted tostance. It's very very common.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I agree. I think Jack struggle every day.
Speaker 2: Find justice for Jackson, make sure that.
Speaker 3: Pro How can we find justice? I think just showing
Speaker 3: up and speaking out and not believing the narrative of
Speaker 3: Brandon Mama or anyone else that are saying they were
Speaker 3: in a consensual relationship. Randon Mama was a drug dealer,
Speaker 3: Jacks was a client. I think writing letters. I still
Speaker 3: Lakewood City Council voted to make independent oversight of Lakewood Police,
Speaker 3: but then come to find out it was actually the
Speaker 3: police who had written it through the city manager. So
Speaker 3: what are we going to What's going to happen there?
Speaker 3: But justice for Jackson is just showing up and really
Speaker 3: being kind to everyone. Is justice for Jacks and not judging.
Speaker 3: Not judging is justice for Jack.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Charylyn. I love that so much. So with
Speaker 2: what Sherilynn shared with us, I of course have thoughts,
Speaker 2: especially based on what the autopsy report shared about Jack's
Speaker 2: having a broken clavicle. The clavicle connects the shoulder to
Speaker 2: the sternum or the breastbone, and with the broken hyoid bone,
Speaker 2: which is a U shaped bone in the neck that
Speaker 2: holds her tongue in place. Hyoid bones are traditionally broken
Speaker 2: during strangulation or trauma. My belief is that Jax was
Speaker 2: most likely subdued by some sort of drug that Brandon,
Speaker 2: her dealer, gave to her, and then Brandon strangled Jax
Speaker 2: during sex. Brandon and his friends said that she was
Speaker 2: still alive when they left, but I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure if Jax was still alive when
Speaker 2: Brandon's friend showed up. I believe Brandon killed Jack's panic
Speaker 2: called his friend to help clean up what he had done. Together,
Speaker 2: the men rolled Jax out the office window to the
Speaker 2: ground below. Possibly her clavicle broke on the way down
Speaker 2: when it hit the air conditioner unit. Now remember this
Speaker 2: is just my theory. Based on the autopsy report. Maybe
Speaker 2: I just watched too many cop shows and I shouldn't
Speaker 2: throw my opinion out there, but that's all it is
Speaker 2: my opinion. What's your opinion? What do you think happened
Speaker 2: to Jacks that night? On April fifteenth? Thank you all
Speaker 2: so much for joining me CJ and Courtney and Cherylynn
Speaker 2: for this very important episode of Jack Scrattons. Cherylyne expressed,
Speaker 2: justice for Jacks is being kind to each other, So
Speaker 2: please be kind. I love you guys, and you matter
Speaker 2: so much. Remember it's not a crime to be gay
Speaker 2: or to live your truth, unless you're a murderer.