WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:07.040 We'll head to New Orleans on Sunday as the Kansas 2 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:11.480 City Chiefs and the Philadelphia Eagles go to battle Super 3 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:15.160 Bowl fifty nine. Of course, Kansas City looking for the 4 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:19.600 first ever three p in the Super Bowl era, the 5 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:26.359 Philadelphia Eagles looking for rematch success over the Kansas City Chiefs. 6 00:00:26.399 --> 00:00:29.320 Porter Larsen Tony Parks filling in for Spence on this 7 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:33.840 Friday afternoon, and we'll start the afternoon talking some football 8 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:36.960 with Won Thor Nystrom. We'll talk some Super Bowl, we'll 9 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:39.759 go to the Senior Bowl. We'll go all over the 10 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:43.320 map with our guy Thor. K you on Twitter, and 11 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:46.000 of course you can find him on this station during 12 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:48.560 the football season every once in a while. Thor, thanks 13 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:49.840 for hopping on man. I appreciate your time. 14 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:51.799 Yeah, absolutely good to be with you boys. 15 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.759 Let's start in New Orleans. Let's head down there for 16 00:00:55.840 --> 00:01:01.439 the big matchup Kansas City Philadelphia. It felt a lot 17 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:04.359 of the year like this was maybe a matchup we were. 18 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:07.120 We were headed towards store. I know a lot of 19 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:10.959 people tried to talk themselves and me included into Josh 20 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:16.280 Allen or Lamar Jackson being able to dethrone one Patrick 21 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:20.000 Mahomes On the AFC side, the Eagles spent a lot 22 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:22.280 of the year the betting favorite. On the NFC side, 23 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:25.040 was this kind of what you expected coming into the 24 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:28.640 year or how did that materialize as you watched this 25 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:31.920 season come along? Did you feel as a collision course, 26 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:35.040 are you surprised that we sit here in February looking 27 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:36.400 at the Chiefs and the Eagles once again? 28 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:40.879 There was a certain inevitability to it. It felt like, yeah, 29 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:43.319 I mean it's you know it teams sport, right, so 30 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:47.120 like you're like, well, it probably won't happen, right, like 31 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:51.000 just because of the random variance, But yeah, like this 32 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:53.560 is the matchup that we expected. So it's not a 33 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:56.359 surprise whatsoever that we have And much of the chagrin 34 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:57.680 at the viewing public. 35 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:01.760 I've always liked the NFL had no team go undefeated 36 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:05.480 once the schedule expanded to sixteen games. Now it's seventeen. 37 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:07.920 No team's ever been able to repeat. 38 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:08.800 And once you. 39 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:10.599 Start working in the industry it could be a little 40 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:12.840 bit different. I understand this, but were you the guy 41 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:16.719 to root for or against history kind of as you 42 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:19.639 look at what a team could possibly achieve on Sunday. 43 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:23.520 No I'm I definitely root for History, Like I'm cool. 44 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:25.199 I mean, like, hey, as long as we have to 45 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:28.400 have this matchup, you know what I mean, Like I'm 46 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:31.560 a Viking fan, you know, like I would take one. 47 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:34.400 I'd take a Super Bowl appearance in my lifetime frankly 48 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:36.800 at this point. So it's you know, but like, as 49 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:39.439 long as as you know, we have purchased a ticket 50 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:41.360 for this ride, so as long as we have to 51 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:43.520 be on it on Sunday, yeah, I might be rooting 52 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:44.520 for History. 53 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:47.199 Tony and I were talking about this a little bit 54 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:51.680 as the show opened up. Is Kansas City's ability now 55 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:54.199 to win a little bit differently than we've seen now. 56 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:57.159 They still have the ability to do the high flying, 57 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.599 flashy stuff that we're used to from from Patrick Mahomes, 58 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:02.400 but what you're seeing now is a little more efficient 59 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:05.400 creative play calling, leaning on your defense when you need to, 60 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:07.919 and of course Steve Spagnol on the other side, is 61 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:11.759 helping with a lot of that. How have you watched 62 00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:15.039 the evolution of the Kansas City Chiefs and how they've 63 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:18.719 been able to tweak certain things while still keeping the 64 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:20.919 core of what made them a Super Bowl contender intact? 65 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:25.719 It's a fascinating progression because, as you boys recall, when 66 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:29.240 they drafted an unknown project quarterback out of Lubbock, Texas 67 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:32.639 named Patrick Mahomes, the book on him initially was this 68 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:35.319 is a ross swashbuckler who all he's ever going to 69 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:37.400 want to do is just chuck the ball down. Feel 70 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:39.039 you're never gonna be able to teach him how to 71 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:42.800 do the rest of this stuff. And the NFL once 72 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:46.080 Mahomes initially was succeeding, they're like, yeah, we're going to 73 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:49.080 take away the explosive plays and then you're not gonna 74 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:52.759 have your Superman cape anymore. And his game evolved. The 75 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:56.439 Chiefs as a team have evolved as well. And there's 76 00:03:56.479 --> 00:03:58.680 not one player that you can, you know, like, of 77 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:02.199 his weapons, any of them. You take them away, They're 78 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:04.400 able to go to other things. Right, It's not a 79 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:06.360 team that just beats you down the field. It's not 80 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:10.039 a team that just beats you with efficiency or with 81 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:13.280 one concept or one player. They are able to beat 82 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:16.040 you in a million different ways. You get into a shootout, great, 83 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:18.600 you want to do a low scoring game, great, we 84 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:21.399 can beat you literally whatever way that you want to 85 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:24.199 come in here and play we're going to beat you 86 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:26.560 at your own game. And so the evolution of that 87 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:30.160 has been cool. And I think their quarterback Patrick Mahomes is, 88 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:35.199 you know, an example of that. He's just a small 89 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:38.160 one of the grains of sand on that beat. 90 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:41.279 Yeah, kill him by one point. That's kind of been 91 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:42.839 the model of this team if they need it to 92 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:45.839 be that way. In my opinion, Steve Spagnola was the 93 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:47.759 MVP of the Super Bowl last year, and I think 94 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:50.879 one of the biggest variables in this game Sunday, those 95 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:54.319 timely pressures like he had, you know, against Houston, the 96 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:57.279 timely pressures he's had in these championship runs to win 97 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:01.079 some key downs, minimize some damage, and keep the odds 98 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:04.240 in Kansas City's favor. How big of a variable do 99 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:07.519 you see him playing in this game with Philadelphia needing 100 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:10.120 to get cash instead of coins on some of their 101 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:11.240 more productive drives. 102 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:15.079 Utterly enormous And your your point is well taken. Like 103 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:19.000 his his special gift is like he understands at this level, 104 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:23.519 you know, the the the the every little small thing, 105 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:27.000 throwing a timing off of a concept of the opponent 106 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.120 by even a fraction of a second. It you know 107 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.439 it improves your odds so much to turn what could 108 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:35.160 be a positive player, even an explosive play, into either 109 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:38.040 a zero or a you know, like whatever, you flip 110 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:40.600 the odds so much just by can we get a 111 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:44.120 brief millisecond of confusion or can we speed up the 112 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:47.519 process just a little bit. He's really really good at 113 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.839 all that sort of stuff. And obviously it starts to juice, 114 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:53.319 you know, juice the odds on a given play, and 115 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:55.199 then over the ocean of the players that make up 116 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:57.560 a game. That's how you start to see some of 117 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:01.279 these different things swing. He's also really good I think, 118 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:04.720 you know, the game in game out situational stuff. There's 119 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:07.279 some coaches where it's just like this is my system 120 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:09.000 and it's like you guys are going to you know, 121 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:11.480 figure it out, like you're going to do my system. 122 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:14.519 But I feel like he puts every individual player into, 123 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:17.040 you know, the spots for them to succeed, but then 124 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:20.720 also opponents specific you know, there's going to be all 125 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:25.160 sorts of exotic coverage looks, exotic blitzas that are designed 126 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:27.879 merely just for the paradigm of the game that they 127 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.720 are in. Jalen Hurts and the way that the Eagles 128 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:33.720 play offensive football, So it's it's one of those things 129 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:37.000 where it's like the chess match. The game within the 130 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:40.439 game is going to be just as entertaining as the game, 131 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:42.839 and hopefully just as entertaining as the halftime show and 132 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:43.879 the commercials as well. 133 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.439 Thor when you look at obviously you mentioned the chess 134 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:49.600 match that we're going to see when it comes to 135 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:51.959 Andy Reid, when it comes to Spagnola, when it comes 136 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:55.120 to the Philadelphia side, the play calling is always going 137 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:57.319 to be creative. It's always going to you know, you're 138 00:06:57.319 --> 00:06:59.279 going to see, as you mentioned, some exotic looks, you're 139 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:02.639 going to see. I sometimes I don't even like to 140 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:05.800 call it trick plays when it's it's designed and run 141 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:10.279 often and and so well, like Kansas City and Philadelphia 142 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:13.519 does you know a lot of the times they're more 143 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:16.639 misdirection plays than they are trick plays, and they're really 144 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:19.199 good at those. But when you look at the x's 145 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:21.439 and o's the chess game, you're going to see, how 146 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:23.920 do you see the big picture of this game playing out? 147 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:26.000 And what I mean by that is time of possession. 148 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:29.800 How do you see the the you know, Andy Reid 149 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:32.279 going at this game, you know, maybe trying to maximize 150 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:36.319 possessions while Philadelphia on the other side trying to hit 151 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:38.839 them hard with a heavy dose of Barkley and Hurts 152 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:42.560 and trying to minimize the possessions that the Kansas City 153 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:45.439 gets and lean on that to that Philly defense. How 154 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:47.279 do you see that playing out between the two teams, 155 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:53.399 kind of trying to balance the levels of power there, 156 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:55.560 because it's a It's an interesting one to me when 157 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:57.839 you look beyond the x's and o's and more the 158 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:00.800 big picture strategy of dressing this one. 159 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:03.560 Yeah, if I had to guess, I would say the 160 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:05.920 first quarter, We're not like it. The first quarter is 161 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:09.199 going to be like a Flight Mayweather fight. I think 162 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:12.480 you're gonna get two animals that are just circling each other, 163 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:15.720 and and you know, you're sort of trying to gauge, 164 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:19.839 like you know, like I just think you're gonna get 165 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:23.639 a conservative ethos. Initially, I don't think the Haymakers are 166 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.519 gonna start to get tossed until the second half. I 167 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:29.680 think initially it's like we cannot turn the ball over, 168 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:32.559 and let's go out there and get our feet under 169 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:35.320 us and see what what we're up against. Here, But yeah, 170 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:38.519 that I would expect a more conservative first quarter and 171 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:40.679 then maybe you try to flower up the playbook in 172 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:43.480 the second quarter. But I like both of the offenses. 173 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:45.200 I don't think you see it start to open up 174 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.399 until the second half. And that's where I think those 175 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.799 those offensive play cars are gonna get deep into their 176 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:53.200 bag and we're gonna see some interesting things there. 177 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:55.200 Well, I think you're one hundred percent right about that, 178 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:57.720 because the last time these two teams played, the team 179 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:01.080 that scored the more, the most offensive it's actually lost 180 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:03.639 the game, which was one of the rare times that's 181 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:05.639 ever happened in Super Bowl history. So to your point, 182 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:08.639 I could see that happening. Look my opinion on Andy Reid. 183 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:12.879 You know, fifteen and twenty years ago, the sports radio 184 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:15.240 used to get in arguments with this all the time, friends, 185 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:18.600 NFL buddies, stuff like that. I always thought that he 186 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:24.360 was wildly over criticized while completely overachieving with some of 187 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:26.799 those Philly teams that he had with McNabb. And then 188 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:30.200 I thought he was overachieving by maximizing what he could 189 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:32.919 get out of Alex Smith, who was a good quarterback. 190 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:34.600 But I thought he was I mean, you know you're 191 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:38.120 going twelve and four and hosting divisional round playoff games. 192 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:41.320 I just didn't think they had the ultimate Super Bowl roster, 193 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:45.399 either in Philly or there in case pre Mahomes. Now, 194 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:47.399 all of a sudden Hall of fame quarterback, hall of 195 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:49.240 fame tight end, and a guy that I think is 196 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:52.200 undoubtedly on the rushmore greatest offensive minds, maybe the best 197 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:56.279 offensive mind in football. The history of this game now 198 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:59.240 is starting to show that historic results exist with that. 199 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:03.000 Are you of the belief that you know, Andy Reid 200 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:06.440 evolved into this or that he truly had so much 201 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:09.039 of this gift and now he has everything that goes 202 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:11.960 with it to where it's undoubtable that he stands at 203 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:12.320 the top. 204 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:16.039 I think, well, first of all, he's He's going to 205 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:17.840 go down as one of the best head coaches in 206 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:20.279 NFL history. I don't think I'm going out on a 207 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.840 limb with that. And I think there there's been evolution 208 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.440 with certain amount of things. But I think he's a prodigy. 209 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:31.480 He's a coaching prodigy. He's an offensive mind prodigy. Right 210 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:34.080 like in his gift is putting his players into the 211 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:38.320 best situation to succeed. But you know, in particular that 212 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:42.480 quarterback position and and his game planning that that Andy 213 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:45.519 Reid has done and what he's done with the quarterbacks 214 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:47.519 over the time, you could say, oh, he got to 215 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:49.440 work with a Hall of fame quarterback here, it's a 216 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:51.679 Hall of Fame quarterback that he banged the table that 217 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:54.480 his team trade up for. And when they made that selection, 218 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.159 everyone was like, what are. 219 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.120 You doing to select him? 220 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.279 Yeah? Why are you taking the who comes from the 221 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.840 system where no quarterback ever succeeds and you just took 222 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.639 him over Deshaun Watson, who we saw win national titles 223 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:10.080 and beat Alabama and all this sort of stuff, like 224 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:13.600 they not only it was the conviction of no, that's 225 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:17.639 the guy, and then developing again. People forget this because 226 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:20.200 after the fact, now Patrick Mahomes he's you know, he's 227 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:23.039 he's you know, football god now and and so nobody 228 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:26.039 remembers going back there. But at the time it was like, 229 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:27.960 how are you ever going to get this guy to 230 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:31.799 stop playing playground ball, stop playing hero Ba? Like this 231 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:34.360 is a bridge to nowhere. Andy Reid was the one 232 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:37.039 identified that guy, and then you built him up starting 233 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:39.559 with the plan initially of you you brought up Alex 234 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:42.679 Smith before it's like, yeah, for the first year, we're 235 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:45.120 just going to have you learn, right, and then you 236 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:47.840 went through with that and they made up again. People 237 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:52.399 forget this. It was not a popular, universally accepted decision 238 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:55.000 of we're going to trade Alex Smith and opened the 239 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:57.399 job up for this guy that most people don't think 240 00:11:57.440 --> 00:11:59.799 he's going to succeed in the NFL. But Reed did 241 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:02.000 all that. He was behind all the development of that 242 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:04.720 and then this evolution that we talk about with Mahomes' 243 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:07.799 game and the Chiefs offense as a whole, the Chiefs franchise. 244 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:10.720 He was the driving force of all of it. So 245 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:13.200 I mean it's like, yeah, you look back and it's like, oh, 246 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:15.480 now he's got all these great players. He was the 247 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:16.559 one that developed them all. 248 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:22.919 Yeah, I mean you can't argue with that. Obviously, there's 249 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:24.639 a lot of local ties that we're going to get 250 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.480 to thor with with the Super Bowl, but we'll we'll 251 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:30.840 leave that for a different segment. Let's let's try and 252 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:33.799 transition over to kind of your specialty, which is on 253 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:36.559 the NFL draft side and some of the prospects that 254 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:41.759 we saw at the Senior Bowl. There are you know, 255 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:44.600 five or six, maybe seven guys if you if you 256 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:46.759 want to dive deep into it on the on the 257 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:50.519 Utah roster that are receiving looks. Of course, Jalen Royal 258 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:52.360 is up at Utah State. We can go down to 259 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:55.879 the to the to the BYU side as well, but 260 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:58.759 give us a little rundown of what you saw at 261 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.320 the Senior Bowl first on the local side, and then 262 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:04.919 we'll maybe get into the very top top prospects on 263 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:05.639 your board as well. 264 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:09.399 I gotta start with Jalen Royals because I really like 265 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:12.159 Jalen Royals. Jalen Royals went into the Senior Ball as 266 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:16.120 my number one receiver at the event, and he wasn't 267 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:18.799 the best receiver on the field there. You know, there 268 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:20.080 was a couple of guys I thought in the one 269 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:21.840 on ones were a little bit more impressed, like Jalen 270 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:25.440 Noel from Iowa State. Jack Basha course was a big 271 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:29.320 story there as well. But Royals, in the context that 272 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:33.919 he performed that week, I thought he was extremely impressive. 273 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:36.720 And that context was a kid who got knocked out 274 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:39.919 for the season in October with a foot injury. He 275 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:43.159 was not one hundred percent at Mobile like in Mobile, 276 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:45.039 and it was not a certainty that he was going 277 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.279 to even participate in the event. Weeks or certainly like 278 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:51.679 a month beforehand. His rehab it was all designed off. 279 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:54.360 I'm getting back active to get in front of the 280 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:58.320 NFL improve a point that I belong so, and he 281 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:00.480 did as much as he couldn't get ready for was 282 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.000 not one hundred percent, might have been eighty five ninety percent, 283 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:05.480 but he still went out and he performed really, really well. 284 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:08.559 His movement is even better than what we saw out there. 285 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:12.320 But again, for where he was, he was beating all 286 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:15.279 these power forward defensive backs, you know, team drills, the 287 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:19.840 one on ones. Not one hundred percent. He's appears to, 288 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:21.960 you know, at least with what he was telling us, 289 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:24.960 that for the NFL combine, he expects to be you know, 290 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:27.240 dang near one hundred percent. So he's going to get 291 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:30.080 to go out and show his athleticism. For a kid 292 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:32.879 who is as well built as he is, he moves 293 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:36.039 around really well. So I'm very interested. I know the 294 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:38.399 NFL is very interested to see how he tests. But 295 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:41.440 he acquitted himself really well out there. He told me 296 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:43.360 that the NFL has been talking to the teams that 297 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:45.919 he had talked to initially. Now this is on Wednesday, 298 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:47.519 it was in the middle of the Senior Bowl week. 299 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:50.200 I'm sure he had more conversations after that, but he 300 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:51.879 said most of the teams that he had talked to 301 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:55.919 to that point were talking to him as a big 302 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:59.600 slot in the NFL, that they saw him as a big, 303 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:02.679 sort of fortified efficiency type slot. I know, that's a 304 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:06.080 kid who played on the boundary more at Utah State 305 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:08.080 the year and a half when he was dominating. He 306 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:10.200 does have the experience in the slot as well, so 307 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:12.440 I thought that was kind of interesting. But Jalen Row 308 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:13.960 is going to start in the NFL for a really 309 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:15.159 long time, and I think he's going to be a 310 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:16.559 Day two pick in April. Yeah. 311 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:19.759 Man, obviously he's coming out of that Utah State pipeline 312 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:21.960 that Devin Tompkins. You can go down the list of 313 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:25.960 players that have come out of Utah State, either to 314 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:29.000 the NFL Draft or even if they haven't got to 315 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:34.320 the next level. We're really really productive at Utah State. 316 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:38.559 Kyle Cephalo, the wide receiver coach, a huge huge part 317 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:41.799 of that. Now now at Cal after the coaching change 318 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:48.159 this offseason. Thor on the Utah side, who's the prospect 319 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.799 that either from the Senior Bowl or just on the 320 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:55.080 class is catching your eye. From the Crimson side the 321 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:58.720 Utes roster in twenty twenty five, there's four or five 322 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:00.799 guys that, you know, I don't think there's there's gonna 323 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:03.639 be any early round picks, but some guys that are 324 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:06.679 definitely in the running for NFL draft slots and and 325 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:08.480 definitely undrafted free agent market. 326 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:16.759 Yeah, you know, as far as right, Keithy is interesting, 327 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:19.240 although you know, I don't know, uh, you know where 328 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:20.320 we're gonna be there. 329 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:23.200 It's it's the medical stuff with him, it's it's it's 330 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:24.039 just hard to get to read. 331 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:29.799 Yeah, there wasn't as many youths that were jumping off 332 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:35.039 the field there in in Mobile. So yeah, the guy 333 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.559 for the class though, that I'm I'm interested to see 334 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:39.919 in Indianapolis, is Land or Barton because I think that 335 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:43.240 kid is really really good, you know, for for the 336 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:45.360 class as a whole, but as a kid came in 337 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:48.240 uh to this season with with round two grades from 338 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.039 the NFL. So you know, we'll be interested to see that. 339 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:53.799 But yeah, not not as many, you know as the 340 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:56.120 Utah State kid that was standing out there at Mobile. 341 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.799 Yeah, that's that's that's kind of the the returns that 342 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:03.519 we got here in Salt Lake City. What stands out 343 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:07.599 about Lander Bardon? He's obviously he's got the the size, 344 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:10.759 kind of a prototypical linebacker in that sense, a lot 345 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:13.200 of production, a lot of film at Utah. I will 346 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:16.759 say some of his earlier film at Utah might look 347 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:19.920 better than some of his late film because of the 348 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:23.039 absence of his partner at linebacker, Karennie Reed, who I 349 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:25.519 may ask you about as well. But what does stand 350 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:28.720 out about about Lander? Of course six four two and 351 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:32.720 forty pounds an athletic kid for sure. What stands out 352 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:34.839 from his skill set at the next level. 353 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:38.799 Yeah, it's a it's a big athletic kid who has versatility. 354 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:41.960 You know that you can move him around. He sticks 355 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.880 with his assignment and coverage he comes down hill. Well, 356 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:49.519 it's a versatile skill set and as versatile usage player 357 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:52.400 that you can move around you you know, obviously the 358 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.319 boxed up you can send him off the edge. And 359 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:57.799 like I said, I like him running around in coverage 360 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:01.319 as well. They're the one thing with him is that 361 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:05.079 like and and and it's one thing too unfortunately that 362 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:08.440 he can't address in his his pre draft process, because 363 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:10.759 it just is what it is. There's an elevated mistackle 364 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:13.279 right there, you know, and that's that would be something 365 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:16.119 where if I was, you know, like in the team interview, 366 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:18.119 is it's something that I would want to talk through 367 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:21.680 with him. You know that that's one sort of you know, 368 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:24.759 slight concern that I have there. But you know, as 369 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:28.640 far as the sort of the toolbox coming in just 370 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:32.200 on the surface there, it's obviously NFL caliber all day, 371 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:34.599 and then his ability to do all these different things 372 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:37.400 on the field and to be effective no matter where 373 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:40.039 he's deployed. That that's what I'm interested in. But yeah, 374 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:42.319 we we're gonna have to work on that tackling technique. 375 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:43.400 Lander just a little bit. 376 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:48.000 Who jumped out to you shocked you the most either direction, 377 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:51.240 either good or bad with everything in mobile. 378 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:56.319 The on the on the negative side, and maybe it's 379 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:58.920 not like shock although how bad it was, it was 380 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:01.279 a surprise with Jalen Milroe. It's the guy that we 381 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:03.480 were hoping, you know, like if this guy has a 382 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:06.480 big time pre draft process, this could be Anthony Richardson. 383 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:09.200 And obviously the things that he had struggled with on 384 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:10.759 the field, you know, you got the peaks in the 385 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:13.000 valleys with Jaylen Milroe. Some games it looked like he 386 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:15.160 should be the first overall pick, and then there's some 387 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:18.119 games it looked like this guy shouldn't be playing quarterback again. 388 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:20.039 You know, the Oklahoma game would be a great example 389 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:22.920 from this past season. And he goes out in Mobile 390 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:25.799 and you're hoping you could see the physical tools for sure, 391 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:28.440 two hundred and twenty five pounds. He's going to run 392 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:31.279 in the four threes later this month. He is fabulously 393 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:34.720 skilled runner, you know, with all the athleticism in the world. 394 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:37.240 And then he has the huge arm. But the week 395 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:40.720 starts out with him, you know, the measurements his He 396 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:43.000 would have one of the smallest pair of hands to 397 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:46.519 ever start in the NFL during the modern era. Interestingly enough, 398 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:50.119 there's only been a couple under nine inches in the 399 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:54.839 NFL hand side. One of them is Michael Vick and that, essentially, 400 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:58.000 I think is his. Is Milroe's skill set as a 401 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:00.279