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We're gonna get in a few topics here. Who's the

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best offense cornatir BA football history and why? Also, the

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University of Utah Athletics private equity deal has caught the

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attention of Congress. That's right, Federal lawmakers are exploring waste

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of block colleges from entering into private equity deals, possibly

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putting plans at risk for the University of Utai after

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it announced last week a first of its kind proposal

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to infuse hundreds of millions of dollars into its athletic programs.

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Legislation to block schools from entering into such deals tied

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to athletic programs.

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Speaker 4: Has been in the works for months.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what some of the representatives are talking

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Speaker 3: They're not paying for that. So the endorsement we got

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to make sure we're okay with that. Now they're always goodness.

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We love Chovy's shout out to the Monk family. At

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any rate, I want to get into this question of

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the day with you here. I've had these debates with fans,

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with family members both old and young, loyal, strong and true,

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and there is no let me tell you, there's no

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general consensus among the BAYU fan base about who the

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greatest offensive coordinator b Way football history is. I think

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most fan bases, if you ask them around the country

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in like like prominent programs, top forty programs in college

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football that have fan bases, that have legacy, that have

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conference championships, that have dogs and Heisman's and Outland Trophy.

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You know, you know all those things, right, like the history,

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the legacy, And you ask them who the best offense coordinators,

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They're gonna know they're gonna have a consensus on who

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the best play caller is, right, wouldn't you say?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, No, Well, I know what the right answer is.

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Speaker 3: So I'm asking you this question, who is the best

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offensive cording of Bway foot plays?

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Speaker 5: For n y G Man, it is Mike Horen, Mike Congrun.

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They say it was just quarterbacks coach, but I think

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he was offensive coordinator because they don't list.

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Speaker 4: Through nineteen eighty five they went was b WAYU.

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Speaker 5: Football better than during those years? Never took Steve Young,

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He made Steve Young, that was his boy. Interesting fact

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that Gurney started going to football games when Mike Olengren

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joined the coaching staff. Yeah, there you going nineteen eighty two. Yeah,

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so I'm a little biased in that regard, but in

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my mind that was the apex of b WAU football

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up until this current day, where I would argue b

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Speaker 3: Mike Holgrin, he's the best co c in b YU

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football history. Yes, not Doug Scoville.

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Speaker 5: He took the framework the Scoville gave him and he

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accelerated it, implemented it. And yeah, I look what Mike

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Speaker 3: Remember Holmgren was at Oak Grove High School in California, right,

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and then he went over to San Francisco State in

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nineteen eighty one, his offensive.

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Speaker 4: Coordinator, quarterbacks coach.

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Speaker 3: Remember this is kind of the Bill Walsh pipeline in

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the in the the Bay area pipeline that Walsh and

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Lavelle kind of created, so up and coming rising stars

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within the football community would go and take a jobs

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with like lower pay at BUYU coach and uh and

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quarterbacks coach and and and offensive coordinating from eighty two

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Speaker 5: I think he had to be.

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Speaker 4: He had he had to be.

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Speaker 5: Well who else was it?

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Speaker 3: All Right, well, you got to confirm this. Now I'm

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gonna have to delve.

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Speaker 5: In the coach exaid. There's no one else that would

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Speaker 3: Oh, s okay, So that's gotta be Homegres by default, Yeah,

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by default the VLA coach in the offense. After after

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and maybe oc he became the quarterbacks coach for the

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San Francisco forty nine Ers from eighty six to eighty eight.

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Speaker 5: He must have done a pretty good job to get

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Speaker 3: Ers, and then eighty nine to ninety one offensive coordinator

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and quarterbacks coach, and then he became the Green Bay

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Packers head coach from ninety two to ninety eight and

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then the Seattle Seahawks head coach from ninety nine to

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two thousand and eight. That's Holmgren's trajectory, so pretty good.

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Speaker 5: Coach did some pretty good stuff with the backers.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely, definitely if you look at like the

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trajectory after they leave BYU, that gives you a little

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bit of a idea.

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Speaker 5: So as well, Yeah, who's the bras behind that offense?

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was probably Mike Homework.

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Speaker 4: So Doug Scolville.

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Speaker 3: Before coming to BYU in seventy six and seventy seven,

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Speaker 4: From seventy one to.

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Speaker 3: Seventy five, he was actually the San Francisco forty nine

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Ers quarterback coach and then became the OC quarterbacks coach

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in seventy six seventy seven. Then he went to Chicago

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Bears to be the wide receivers coach in seventy eight,

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came back for that seventy nine and eighty seasons. He

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was the BA quarterbacks coach in OC, and then he

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went on to San Diego State and then Philadelphia Eagles

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quarterback coach is where he I think ended his career

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in eighty nine. Well did he passed He passed away,

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passed away in eighty nine. Rest in peace, Doug. I

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didn't know he had passed away in eighty nine. So

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early death man, but definitely an all time great. He

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was a great football player and coach. So others may

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include Norm chow Right. I had a lot of Norm

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it be Norm then? Because Norm? You look at what

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Norm did after the fact. He goes to NC State

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balls out there, goes to USC ball out there, goes

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Speaker 5: There's an argument to be made, right, There's an argument

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made about Douga Scrobial because he was the forebear, he

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was the pioneer. Right. I can hear all those arguments,

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But in my mind, the best quality oc they got

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the most out of Bayu relative to the talent level

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it had within that program was Mike Holmgren.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I have a tremendous amount of respect for Robert and

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I and I'll tell you why a lot of people

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will criticize predictability and also what they deem is just

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non creative play calling. Yeah, and I get that. I

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understand where you're coming from.

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Speaker 4: I was there.

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Speaker 3: I saw certain elements that you can criticize one hundred percent,

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like they're gonna be critical certain things. He's a former

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offensive line coach, right, but remember where where where did

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Robert and I study?

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Speaker 4: What did what was his trajectory? What was his path?

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Speaker 3: Well, he's a GA for Hawaii eighty six, eighty seven,

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then a GA for by U nineteen ninety ninety one.

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were winning UNLV offensive line coach in ninety seven ninety

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eight UNLV run game coordinator and offensive line coach. And

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then he goes and coaches offensive line at Texas Tech

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from two thousand to two thousand and four, Okay, before

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becoming Byuzocno. Five through twenty ten and wide receiver coach.

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offensive line coach. In twenty twelve Arizona, he was the

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offensive line coach. Remember, he's the only whole over when

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rich Rod took over. When rich Rodriguez took over after

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be the assistant head coach, offense coordinator and inside wide

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receivers coach from twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 4: So what I'll say.

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Speaker 3: About about him, and then he goes to Virginia gets

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to an Orange Bowl with that that offense produced a

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lot of points Syracuse OC and then NC State OC

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and now he's retired, Doctor Bob is retired, but a

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phenomenal career at by USOC. He produced two all time

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leading rushers and even a third you could say, in

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Jamal Williams. So he produced Curtis Brown, like on the

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back of it five and oh six his most productive years. Yeah,

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five oh six, especially through the receiving game out of

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Speaker 4: That's the Robert and I offense.

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Speaker 5: It's boring, Curtis Brown, it's boring, it's not creative.

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Speaker 3: He produced an all time leader rusher, next, Harvey Junga,

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all time leading rusher, Jamal Williams, all time leading rusher. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So he he had him.

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Speaker 3: From twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen, Jabal becomes an all

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time record setting running back, you know, and he didn't

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have the twenty sixteen that was tie. And I think

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you know, Jamal went off for like thirteen hundred yards

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that year. But he contributed at a very high level

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to the productivity of Jamal too. And everyone said, well,

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credit to Harvey. I'll just give credit to Curtis. You

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can't play that game like, no, no, no, it's because

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of the player, and they go because that's the retort, right, Well,

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he was, he was.

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Speaker 5: He was a good play gagine a good offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, just imagine. So then he also produced

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Speaker 3: Johnny Harlen right Johnny Harlen, oh five and six and

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all the targets he got. Dennis Pitta right, two of

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the greatest tight ends in BA football history. Dan Coach

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was also pretty good. And then Austin Colley. Austin Colly

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set record. Yeah, he's pretty good. So like you could

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hate what Max Hall winning his quarterback in BWA football history.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Max Hall would have run what Robert and I

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called that, you know whatever, right, Like it's like, you know.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have these these these retorts. Obviously, I think

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Robert deserves more credit than he gets. I don't know

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if he's the greatest all time. Like what I'm doing

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is I'm actually gonna work on a project here. This

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and like really study it out because and have the

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fans chime in on this and really see like who

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they believe after you look at the data, right, you

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and then you also reflect on your emotional connectivity to

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an era and then you say, okay, collectively, who do

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Speaker 5: Here's what fans get wrong with Robert and I is

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their definition of what an offensive coordinator does, and I

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think it's glossed over. Giving the offense as an identity

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and a framework where it can operate is the number

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one thing an offensive coordinator does. It's not tricky play calling,

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it's not game planning. It's found it's laying that foundation.

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This is what we are, this is what we operate,

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and you can you can execute at this level because

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this is what we do. That's the most important thing.

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And that's what Robert and I excelled at. Fans don't

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like to hear that because you want to believe that's

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just to give them right. Every team has that, give

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me the tricky play. No, it's not that easy. He

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was very very good at laying out that sism, cold, fresh,

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go hard. Everybody knew what b way you was, including

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the players, and he drilled it into him. Boom boo boom,

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and he knows what he is as an offensive play caller.

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And no other no coaches the same. Each of them

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have different type of strengths. Robert and I knew what

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he was. He adhere to it and he accentuated it.

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He didn't try to be something else that fans wanted

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him to be. And anyway, that's my argument. It's not

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it's not playing Madden on the video game, right, It's

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not that you gotta develop that anyway, that's my oly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a lot there's one on one

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battles everywhere, and so like you have you know, there

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to win those battles, and you have to coach up

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those battles. You have to technique those battles. You have

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to make sure they replicate those battles and win them.

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Speaker 5: So what you're you don't like that play call, you

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run your own play I guess he was established in

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the execution point where you can do that is process.

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Speaker 3: Trump's creativity, right, Yeah, Process standardization, simplicity of process, and

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being able to rapically day in and day out, the

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techniques that are supposedly employed within a particular play call

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is more important than the creativity of the play call.

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Speaker 4: That's the standard. So I would agree with you wholeheartedly.

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Speaker 5: That was probably Gary Croton's demise is over creativity. He

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got too Yeah, he got Yeah, he got ahead of himself.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but definitely a creative mind, one of the best.

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Speaker 3: He was awesome. There's a reason why he was. He

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was just kygo bearts oc. He was really good at

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Louisiana Tech. He was fantastic in two thousand and one.

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I mean, that was a great season.

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Speaker 5: The one thing I remember is is there's a there's

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a scrimmage and I think John Beck told the story

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where he's just going at it because he wants to

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get Bronco Manden Hall. Right, It's like a really competitive thing.

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It was like the longest scrimmage football history. And Gary

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Crowl is starting to call plays that aren't even in

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the playbook.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was like, I don't know what this

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play is. No, it won't work. That won't work. Just

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we've never run this play before. We did it. We

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had an install in spring.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, do you remember that story? I remember John tell

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that story was on this problem.

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Speaker 4: Yep, yep, yep, yep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very And I think it's a really intriguing conversation

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because I think that there's a whole lot of like

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we're in.

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Speaker 4: The holiday season.

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Speaker 3: We've been trying to be extremely grateful here at ESPN

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the fan for all our many blessings, and we appreciate

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with the Cougar fans Cougar Country that tune in every

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single day to our show.

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Speaker 4: But like I think the A.

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Speaker 3: Or Aaron Roderick conversation is intriguing to me because they

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hate b y U fans feel like a Rod.

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Speaker 4: There's half of them.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I would like to see the percentage on this. They

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don't think that A Rod's a good play caller or

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they think he's good. He's good enough for now, but

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we need to help him. We got to get him

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some help. We need to give him his Gary Anderson

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like sweet, Like that's fine. Yeah, you gotta go find

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someone that has UH a relationship going back twenty thirty

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years that's been a head coach UH, that coach that

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Wisconsin Utah Morgan.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what's holme? Grid?

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Speaker 5: Hold Grid?

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Speaker 4: What do you holme? Grid?

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Speaker 5: What are you doing?

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Speaker 4: Man? You want to be a senior analyst?

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Speaker 5: David Chiefs didn't make the playoffs?

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Speaker 3: Andy, Andy, you want to come senior analysts for UH, for.

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Speaker 4: The for the pop cards Ball.

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Speaker 3: Andy, whyn't you funneling a bunch of coaches over to

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us from the NFL like Bill Walsh did.

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Speaker 4: Seriously, you know what.

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Speaker 3: Time of selfish? Yeah, why didn't you draft John Beck?

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Why did you draft Kevin Cole?

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Speaker 2: You're still so mad, jerk?

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Speaker 4: Not a b YU guy.

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Speaker 5: Loyal's drawing call.

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Speaker 3: Oh goodness, drafted John to be the backup to Donovan McNabb.

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Speaker 4: Stop it.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I think it's an indesting study, and I think

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air Rod deserves a little more credit to as a

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play call Not many people know, like he took over

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play calling, And I don't know if anyone's gonna officially

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like go on record on this from like internal Like hey,

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in twenty nineteen, a Rod became the primary play caller

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before the Boise State game. Like, I don't know if

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anyone's gonna go on it because no one talks about it.

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But it's kind of like this, like like you know

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underground you know insider report that came out, like hey,

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it's a collaborative play calling thing, but a Rod is

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the majority shareholder on that right as like a past

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game coordinator maybe and you lean on the run game

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coordinating as well.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, there was some changes made and you saw an uptick.

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Speaker 3: You saw an uptick, and then you have the twenty

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twenty season, right that the sp plus ranking on the

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offense was tremendous, straighter schedule wasn't.

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Speaker 5: Great, but.

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Speaker 3: You had the schedule in front of you. You just bawled

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out against the schedule. Twenty twenty one also a very

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good offensive season. Twenty twenty two maybe a little bit

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of a drop both offensive, defensive, and special teams. Twenty

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twenty three not good. That was the Keyton Slovas year,

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and that was you know, they they remember that. But

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then you watch the final two games and he adapted.

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started to run his offense right. And Keaton was although

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a good athlete, he wasn't a shifty runner, right.

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Speaker 4: I think he.

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Speaker 3: Probably learned, you know, he probably learned that his lesson

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there by the way. Keaton's in the NFL through the

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Arizona Cardinals. So yeah, I mean, yeah, he's got a

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pretty good eye for talent, is what I'm getting at.

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trying to get and Jake's going into the playoff, and

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he led his team to eleven to two season and

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played pretty well this season. So obviously Jake is better

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than a lot of BAU fans think he was or

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is right like, you just gotta be able, todmit like

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maybe when maybe you're a little bit wrong, or maybe

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you're a little bit like, ah, maybe I need to

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do a little bit more research on this, do a

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little bit of investigatory journalism about this.

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Speaker 5: I will say this, this might be a hot take

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right here, but I think it's the accurate one. Bear

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was tremendous this year. What b way you did for

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b what you to beat Texas Tech. I submit they

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would have had a better chance if Jake Rensloft would

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have been quarterback rather than Bear.

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Speaker 4: I think there's an I think that's because I think.

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Speaker 5: Jake could attack Texas Tech. And the only way you

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can attack Texas Tech, Bear's not that guy. Considering bear

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strengths again, trans against what Texas Tech does really well defensively,

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it doesn't work right, and you saw that play out

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in two games. I think Jake Renslof I'm not saying

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he could because Texas Tech's just that good. But I

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believe man, I I just came up with this spot

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right now, Colonel, how about that b way you would

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have had a much better chance against Texas Tech with

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Jake retslop As opposed to Bear bomfire And I think

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that's an accurate one.

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Speaker 4: Wow, hot take?

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Speaker 5: Yeah you like that?

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Speaker 4: Hot take?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Can I put that one on Twitter?

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Speaker 5: Am I wrong?

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Speaker 4: I'd agree with you? I just I mean, we don't

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Speaker 3: Look, I mean, Brady will Sell tell you that that

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we were an ankle roll away from possibly beating Texas.

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Speaker 5: You can absolutely make that argument because that first drive Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Bear got anything yards dude, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: They did that.

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Speaker 3: They was working. Yeah, it was working, no doubt. So yeah,

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I'm willing to hear it. I'm willing to hear it.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to make the absolute statement I'm gonna say,

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Speaker 4: This is what Jake hat.

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Speaker 3: He's got a quicker he's he's got a stronger arm,

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Speaker 5: Make That's exactly it right there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So if you want to push the ball downfield.

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Speaker 3: Now, a lot of you ofense is like, hey, well

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you know, Bear gonna push the ball downfield.

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Speaker 4: He could throw it out there, like.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if there's as much trust with Bear

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throwing the ball downfield thirty forty fifty yards downfield as

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there was with Jake. The offense was supposed to be

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set up this year with tempo and him playing backyard

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football like the issue game. It's kind of like what

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it was gonna be, simplistic backyard football and him just

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slinging the rock.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I don't want people to get me wrong, though. Bear's

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your guy for most of the teams out there. Don't

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get me wrong against you to No, you want Bear, Yeah, yeah,

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you don't want Jake. You want Bear. And that's probably

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the most important game on the schedule, let's be honest.

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But against Texas Tech specifically, I think Jake Retslow would

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Speaker 4: Yep, yep. Indeed.

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Speaker 3: All right, guys, that's our samement. I'm gonna put that

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lot of opinion from a lot of b YU people,

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former players, media members, former coaches, you know what I mean,

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trying to get as many people involved in this independent

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study as possible to see if I can come to

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a consensus a vote, if you will, maybe I'll do

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a qualtricks you know, qualter. I'm gonna give an in

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depth article, you know you have to read through it

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before you vote. Type of deal. You know, it'll be fun.

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And he's leaning. G Man has declared Mike Holmgren is

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this guy?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think that's the safest, most accurate and

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unimpeachable answer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 3: If he was the OC eighty two to eighty five,

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he had to he had to be who.

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Speaker 4: Nobody else had to be, had to be home bred.

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Speaker 3: So Doug Scoldville definitely up there, Norm Chow, Robert and

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I you know, Aaron Roderick, you know all those guys.

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I mean you can bring in, you know, the brand

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and the Ti depp Mers. They had rhymes, Jeff rhymes,

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Borich Croton. Who else am I missing here?

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Speaker 5: Brandon?

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Speaker 4: I said, I said, Brandon, I don't think you're missing anyone. Keef.

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we'll get into some sound Jake Rtzlof discusses some of

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his setbacks that led him to BYU and uh maybe

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even eventually obviously to Tulane.

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Speaker 4: He had some setbacks there too.

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Speaker 3: He hopped onto the From the Logo with jimmerfer Net

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podcast with Spencer Linton and discussed some of these comments,

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some of these these questions, So don't go anywhere more

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to get to also uh here momentarily, I also want

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to get into this, uh, I teased it. Haven't talked

479
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about it just yet, but uh the private equity deal

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could not be executed. Mainly it looks that Congress could

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be getting involved to limit private equity equity in sports.

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Com today, guys, I'm extremely excited for Jake Retzloff gett

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an opportunity to get into the college football playoff and

516
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leading the two lane Wave to glory and victory.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I can't wait to see what they could do.

518
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Speaker 3: They got blown out the first time around versus Old Miss,

519
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but they don't have their coach now, you know, they

520
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they lost their offensive staff. I know the OC's coming

521
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back to call the plays, et cetera. But you hope

522
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that there's a little bit of a jump start and

523
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,319
a little bit of a just a I don't know,

524
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an increased motivation for this two lane team who is

525
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losing their head coach, but John Sumral is gonna be

526
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coaching in this game that.

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Speaker 4: They can find a way to win.

528
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Speaker 3: Let's get into a few comments from Jake retch Left

529
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on the From the Logo with Jimmerferdet podcast, he discussed

530
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his setback that led him to byu.

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Speaker 6: There's definitely difficult time and everything that happened the way

532
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it happened. I went through something similar when I was

533
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coming out of junior college. I actually committed to go

534
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play at UTEP. I had gotten there on campus, been

535
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in the apartment. I thought I was there on the team,

536
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and I didn't enough credits from JUCO to have a scholarship,

537
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so I had to go right back home. So I

538
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had to pack everything in my car and drive twelve

539
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hours across the country back to my house in Corona.

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One of the biggest things for me to try to

541
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remember was, Okay, I thought, you know, the world was

542
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ending and my life was, you know, in the worst

543
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thing possible, and there was no way I was going

544
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to recover. And then sure enough I end up at BYU,

545
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which I wouldn't have if I didn't have to come home,

546
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but I was accepted there. Anyways, I wouldn't be talking

547
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to you guys, and so like, the realization of that

548
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hard is what I felt like was the hardest setback

549
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of my life turned into the biggest blessing of my life.

550
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Sure enough, the best thing of my life probably came

551
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from that. My experience at BYU is one of the

552
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best situations ever my life, and I still think it

553
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is to this day.

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Speaker 4: Ronald the three man Weaver.

555
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Speaker 3: You hear that, right, You know the trajectory, you know

556
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the adversity he faced prior to arriving at BYU, with

557
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the whole UTEP situation. It comes to Byu and has

558
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probably some struggles initially before finding his way onto the

559
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football field, wins his way, makes some mistakes along the way,

560
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not only on.

561
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Speaker 4: The football field but off the football.

562
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Speaker 3: Field, but then finds his you know, maybe his path

563
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at BYU, becomes a successful football player, and then you know,

564
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ends up at two Lane, but he still reflects on BYU.

565
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Speaker 4: As one of his best decisions in his life.

566
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and look again, like you mentioned earlier in the segment,

567
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if you missed the guys you're heard on the podcast.

568
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But the mentors, the people around Jake really have been

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positive right to tell him about you know, hey, I

570
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he should go about it helping and build him them up.

571
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Like I'll be honest, Ben, I'll keep it roche. I'm

572
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surprised that he agreed to do this, and with everything

573
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that transpired, you could say that there's a bad taste

574
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or a sour taste as his mouth, especially him telling

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the story of how it first happened, going on with

576
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a utep having to pack up. But he sees it

577
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as the biggest blessing, like it led him to BYU,

578
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which led him to Tulane and all and you know,

579
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which led him now to leading his team in the

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college football playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Right, everything does have a positive light end of the tunnel.

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Speaker 7: When you get there, is just a journey. Sometimes it's difficult.

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And I imagine that Jake never thought he'd be at Tulane.

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I think he imagined leading b yu'd been to the

585
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college football playoffs. I think we even as media members,

586
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imagine that. But then other unfortunate circumstances led to another.

587
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But very grateful that you know, Jake is highlighting that

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b YU is such a big blessing and that everything

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he's accomplished after is because he came from you TEP

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and went to BYU.

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Speaker 2: And if he didn't do that, he wouldn't have the success.

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Speaker 7: And I agree with that, he would not have led

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Tulane a premier program.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 7: Remember Willie Fritz, who's the head coach of Houston been

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is now, was at Tulane and led them to the

597
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playoffs beat USC remembering that New Year six.

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Speaker 2: So a part of all of that.

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Speaker 7: You know, Jake getting too that program is because he

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came through BYU And look, I'm gonna go a different route.

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I know this is about Jake, but who helped Jake

602
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also get the two lent Arod's offense. So for all

603
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the haters out there, I know I'm poking at you,

604
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and I'm choosing to pick a fight. That's okay, I'm

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not I don't back down, But a Rod's offense and

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a Rod is a part of the reason.

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Speaker 2: Also why Jake and.

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Speaker 7: The too Lane for the way he played, So Aaron

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also deserves some credit as well.

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Speaker 3: Love that comment, love the uh the interaction here, and

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love celebrating Jake.

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Speaker 4: I really do.

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Speaker 3: I think for those that tuned into the show when

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all this stuff went down with Jake at b YU,

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I said, from my vantage point, I saw Jake change significantly.

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And everyone has their own individual path. They may not

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abide with strictness and and I'll be honest, not everyone

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abides with strictness with the honor code, not only the students,

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but you know, not not all student athletes either. And

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you know Jake's probably seeing you know, while that b

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why you a lot of a lot of individuals falling

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short but not being brought to the Honor Code or

623
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not being accused of anything right that would be uh

624
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an honor code violation. And so you know, he had

625
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to learn maybe the hard way, and it was unfortunate

626
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,039
everything that occurred, but he's he's moving forward with positivity.

627
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Jake Retslot also discussed how his religion classes uh made

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an impact on him and uh. You now, he's at

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Tulane and there's religion classes there too that some of

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the players maybe complain about, but it sounds like he

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cherished those religion classes at BYU.

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Speaker 2: There's so much Judaism on campus. There's a lot of

633
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jute classes.

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Speaker 6: I hear my teammates complaining about their religion classes and

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I'm just like, oh my god, this has.

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Speaker 2: Come full circle.

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Speaker 6: Holy cal I know my teammates felt like a BYU

638
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when I was like this right now, like one of

639
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my favorite classes, man, I got the it was actually

640
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one of my last classes, and it's the introduction to

641
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like LDS class like and so you're not allowed to

642
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be in it for Mormons, you can't be in it.

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It was at nine I think it was moved to

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the ten am. I was like, bro, I have a

645
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ten am class. It's every single day of your class.

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He's like, I always just meet my office like one

647
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on one and let's just go through the coursework and

648
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let's just talk and do it. And that was my

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favorite might be my favorite classing just religion period.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 6: That fires me up because you guys, you guys know,

652
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like I wear that proudly on my chest every day

653
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and so like and so.

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Speaker 2: Do so does everybody in Provo.

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

656
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Speaker 6: And Provo is a big reason of why I wear

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so proudly on my chest. Like that came through DYU.

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And like I said, YU has changed me for the

659
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better in a million ways, and that's one of them.

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Is maybe more and more proud of every day to

661
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be who I am.

662
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Speaker 4: I was adamant when all this went down.

663
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Speaker 3: I told you guys that Jake became more converted to

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his faith because he attended BYU. He was more proud

665
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of it, He was always asked questions about it. He

666
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became more of a convert to his faith and became

667
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a better person because he was held to a standard

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in the public and in private about his faith. So

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he wanted to live up to and I think eventually

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he started to live up to him. Many of us

671
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fall short of living up to the faith that our

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parents have cherished, right, we fall short all the time.

673
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And so like I do, I mean you see a transformation.

674
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Go back and listen to the interviews with Jake when

675
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he first arrived at BYU. I think I was one

676
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:11,880
of the first to interview him and get the camera

677
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,519
on him. He is a different human in so many ways,

678
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,079
just a different mindset in so many ways, refined, just

679
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:26,160
a I think a good human and a great football player.

680
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And I think we're gonna see great things to come

681
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from Jake, and I wish them nothing but the best.

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I'm glad the religious religion classes made a positive impact

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in his life. Ronald the three man Weaver, what do

684
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you make of it?

685
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Look, I guys, this is a typical example of

686
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what BYU is right Like now, though, you know, we

687
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,880
all have to take accountability for our actions. And that's

688
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,960
the issue, Ben that I told you when this had happened,

689
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I said, I am upset that not necessarily that you

690
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:55,640
know this happened but that it happened, and people are

691
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,519
going to disvalidate everything after that. With Jake, They're not

692
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:00,039
gonna look at it, They're not gonna do that. I

693
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,400
just think that's wrong, right. I don't think there are

694
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,680
those that should do that, like it's what the same

695
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,839
with the Canard Davis Junis situation. I remember when that

696
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had happened and how people you know were responding. I said,

697
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,119
wait and see, and I don't like, I don't know.

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00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,079
I go back to the woman taking adulture. That's the

699
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:16,159
best way to put it. If you're without sending, go

700
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ahead and cast a stone. Be that person. Because Christ

701
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,360
and however you believe, and you know, whatever your religion is,

702
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:24,320
whoever we pray to be at the end of the day,

703
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:26,880
sees us better than we see ourselves, and definitely sees

704
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,159
us better than those around it, and define as our

705
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,960
greatest mistakes. I tell everybody, maybe your sins of resume

706
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:34,000
is better than mine. And I know we shouldn't compare,

707
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but if I had to list out everything I had done, Ben,

708
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and if I put that in front of you and

709
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other people, the listeners of yours probably wouldn't. Maybe like Ronald,

710
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the three mat weaver. If I'm gonna be honest, and the

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person you become is way better. And who Jake became

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after I'm telling you, like I remember your first interview

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and I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, Okay, who's this guy?

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Speaker 7: And I saw the change myself, like he got Guys,

716
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he did not wear that jewish like you know that

717
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,719
that necklace, this card, say, he didn't wear that, Ben,

718
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,320
He didn't wear that when he first got there, and

719
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,320
then he's wearing it by the time. Then he's interactive,

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he's shaking hands with the media, talk like he was

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way different. You saw literally the light of Christ in

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his eye. You saw him change, And I just hope

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that people can take that away. And I'm grateful that

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he's been open and spoke about that. He literally said,

725
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I'm this way because of BYU and everyone down in Provo.

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So he's given credit two members of the church for

727
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,079
helping him engage more in his faith. And isn't that

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what it's all about. Isn't that what missionary work should

729
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be been. Isn't that what coming to Christ is about?

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In whatever way is those around us building us up.

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So sure, maybe some things didn't go the right way,

732
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but at the end of the day. His time in

733
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Provo ended well, and it pushed him to a place

734
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where he even is living his faith more. They call

735
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,000
it Julaine right like he's there because of Byu sol

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I just hope that fans remember that and remember people

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00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,719
in your life, members of the church not people are

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changed through the way, your example and how you treat them.

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So I'm blessed that Jake felt the way through his teammates,

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the coaching staff, and everybody around him.

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I don't know if this private equity deal is gonna

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go down now. We had we had inklings that it

781
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may not right. There were certain politicians, certain individuals, and

782
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:54,960
maybe the state legislature that we're against it. But we're

783
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seeing this maybe nationally those politicians fighting or limiting the

784
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ability of private equity from invading sport universities, athletic departments.

785
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These are state run, subsidized, heavenly subsidized, subsidized institutions. So

786
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why is it that private equity is getting involved?

787
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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: Look, BYU is a private institution. They don't take on

789
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any private equity. Maybe they don't have to. Utah is

790
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a state run institution. You have to wonder what's going

791
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on with why they made this. I think we kind

792
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of know why they made this jump. But right now,

793
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this is not set in stone, Ronald, I don't know

794
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if you've read through this at all, But if this

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is kibosh, if the University of Utah cannot receive the

796
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five hundred million dollars from Outro Capital and maybe even

797
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additional funds from these corporate entities, these corporate sponsorships, these

798
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donors that want an equity stake in the Utah Brands

799
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Sports and Brands LLC entity that was just created, what

800
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what's gonna happen with Utah athletics.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I did read through this a little bit because

802
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I just thought it was interesting, right because when at

803
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first it came out of being the conversation was, Okay,

804
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:21,800
this is going to change the landscape and recruiting athletics everything,

805
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you know, Utah, especially being the football program right in

806
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,480
the state and Baus taking all the momentum.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, I think they've done it. They've won the.

808
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Speaker 7: Last three matchups, you know, and they've taken guys away

809
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in the transferporter.

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Speaker 2: They've been out of the recruits, right, they flipped guys.

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Speaker 7: So to me, I said, okay, this might make the

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margin a little bit more even competitive nature back at football.

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Maybe they can steal some BAU guys even get their

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basketball program to where they want it. If this is

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nix been, then if you're the University of Utah, you're

816
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back to score one potentially. Right, You're you're wondering where

817
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,960
do you go because you put I don't want to

818
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,960
say all your eggs in one basket, but to me,

819
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it was always you were trying to fix a long

820
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term solution with the short term prom problem or whatever

821
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the saying is right, I'm saying that wrong, but that's

822
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what they're trying to do. They're trying to fix something

823
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long term wise in a short span. And if they

824
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take that away completely or you can't even invest at

825
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all with this, I think Utah is really going to

826
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struggle even more.

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Speaker 2: Like WIT's already stepped down.

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Speaker 7: Morgan Scalley now is a new coach, right, and you

829
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would expect him to think that this is going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Maybe WIT's on the board.

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Speaker 7: So I don't know, Ben, like, at that point, do

832
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you do you bring Wit back?

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Speaker 2: Like in some regard at Utah, I don't know what

834
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they do.

835
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Speaker 7: I think they're going to be lost of wards because

836
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I'm trying to think about what do they do. But

837
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if they can't get there, the private equity deal University

838
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:37,840
of Utah is already trending downward. They just might, you know,

839
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flat line a little bit until they can find another

840
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way to build it back up.

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Speaker 3: University of Athletics private equity deal catches the attention of Congress.

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This is from KSL dot com and Cammy Mondo.

843
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Speaker 4: This is what she had to say.

844
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Speaker 3: Federal lawmakers are exploring ways to block colleges from entering

845
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into private equity deals, possibly putting plans at risk.

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Speaker 4: For the University of Utah.

847
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Speaker 3: It announced last week a first of its kind proposal

848
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to infuse hundreds of millions of dollars into its athletic programs.

849
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Legislation to block schools from entering into such deals tied

850
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to athletic programs has been in the works for months,

851
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with Rep.

852
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Speaker 4: Michael Bomgarter at A Washington filing.

853
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Speaker 3: The Protect College Sports from Private Equity and Foreign Influence

854
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Act in early October, but the news from the University

855
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of Utah last week appeared to reignite the conversation, and

856
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I quote, Congress will be taking a long, hard look

857
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at the tax exempt status of the universities that enter

858
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into private equity deals. Bombgardner stated on X directly responding

859
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to the announcement, if you want to act like a

860
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non public entity, you'd better be ready to be treated

861
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like one. The Protect Act would amend the Title nine

862
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Program Participation Agreement that would prohibit agreements with private equity

863
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,960
groups that own a or share in athletics revenue, exercise

864
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control of athletic decisions, or hold any financial interest in

865
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the athletics facilities or property. This would apply to athletic

866
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conferences and affiliated groups, including media, name, image and likeness

867
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:19,400
approval decisions, and marketing teams. The bill would carve out

868
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:24,000
some exceptions, such as gifts and endowments from donors, fee

869
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:27,280
for service contracts that do not leverage sports programs, and

870
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traditional bank loans and bonds for operations. The proposal was

871
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referred to the House Education and Workforce Committee shortly after

872
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it was introduced, and the panel is actively examining the

873
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issue of private equity in college sports. According to a spokesperson,

874
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it's not yet clear when the bill could be advanced.

875
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Speaker 4: Utah Rep.

876
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Speaker 3: Burgess Owens, who sits on the House Education and Workforce Committee,

877
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pointed to current NIL and revenue sharing rules as putting

878
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a serious strain on college athletics by placing new and

879
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,440
unsustainable burdens on programs that were never designed to operate

880
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:06,639
this way. Athletic programs are striving to meet the moment

881
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,880
and looking for solutions to avert financial disaster which will

882
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,800
damage the sports and the student athletes they support, Owens

883
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,920
told the Deset News in a statement. Owens noted that

884
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,519
there are ways to address those concerns, including through student

885
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:24,079
compensation and opportunity through rights and endorsements, or the SCORE

886
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:28,079
Act that would guarantee students' rights to sign name, image

887
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:32,480
and likeness contracts otherwise known as NIL agreements without restrictions

888
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from their school or athletic organizations. The bill would enact

889
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,320
the law on a national level, effectively replacing individual state

890
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ANDNIOL law, so all con conferences fall under the same standards.

891
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The University of Utah unveiled its plans last week to

892
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,280
create the for profit company right with a private equity

893
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,119
firm Outro Capital, whose expertise is in sports and entertainment

894
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,000
and media through its two year old University of us

895
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:03,599
UTA Growth Capital Partners Foundation. It would be the first

896
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university partnership with private equity with a private equity firm

897
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,719
in college sports. Administrators defended the decision, arguing the university

898
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,280
needs to be innovated in order to avoid raising student fees,

899
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,840
cutting research funds, or limiting some or all athletic programs.

900
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University President Taylor Randall said the university's committed to maintaining Olympics,

901
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Olympic and non revenue sports.

902
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Speaker 4: This is what he said.

903
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Speaker 3: This will give our institution, particularly particularly our athletic institution,

904
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the upside. It needs to thrive in the new revenue

905
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,119
sharing and nil era, Randall told.

906
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Speaker 4: The reporters after the board meeting.

907
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Speaker 3: It also allows the other missions of our university to thrive,

908
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,760
which is interesting, right, Like I've always been told that

909
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:54,760
football revenue and football you know profits, they trickle down

910
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,760
in a waterfall effect to the rest of the Olympic sports.

911
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,519
You wonder how this impacts the rest of the sports.

912
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:03,599
You wonder how it impacts Title nine. There's a lot

913
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:06,800
of unanswered questions here. I understand why they're doing it.

914
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,320
There's a lot of theories out there. Some people think

915
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,320
it's keeping up with the Joneses element here with not

916
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:18,599
just BYU, but the entire college athletics landscape, if I mean, look,

917
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,840
Utah has been you know, not only I think fairly

918
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,920
public about there and the power brokers within the athletic

919
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,400
department as well as the university. They want to make

920
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,960
it to the Big ten. They think they are a

921
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,719
Big ten program and deserve to be a Big ten

922
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:40,599
invitee eventually, just like Oregon and Washington did, right. They

923
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:43,639
believe that, right, They think that they deserve that like

924
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,800
USC and UCLA. They think that they were a part

925
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,199
of the PAC twelve, and they built up the PAC

926
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,760
twelve in the Monra and dominated him. Anyways, the PAC

927
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,599
twelve and there are one research institution. They got a

928
00:45:56,599 --> 00:46:00,639
medical school, they got a dental school. They deserve to

929
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:04,719
be in the Big ten. They are higher, they they're

930
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,679
up and then that upper reschlot of academia. So they

931
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:10,599
got to keep up with the Big ten athletically as

932
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:14,000
well in order to finally get that invite. Do you

933
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:18,159
think this is more of a pressure Ronald from you know,

934
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,639
trying to keep up with the Big twelve or try

935
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:22,239
to keep up with BYU.

936
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 4: What do you make of it?

937
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go first, obviously, you know, you control your

938
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,320
own circle. Then you look at it from a landscape.

939
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:30,360
Utah still doesn't want to be in the Big twelve bin.

940
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:32,840
I mean that's the vibe that you've gotten from Kyle

941
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,320
Whittingham right and Mark Carland going out. You know today

942
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,840
we're happy to be in the big you know, we

943
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,559
were happy, and then I'm not. I think it's to

944
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keep up mainly with BYU, and then I think it's

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gonna help them eventually get out of the Big twelve.

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So both they're true, but I think it starts with

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BYU and then it correlates and moves down to the

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Big twelve. Utah wants to be in the Big ten bin.

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That's what they want to be. I really think they

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think they belong in the Big ten. And I'm not

951
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saying that they do. They think that they think that's

952
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the conference they should be in. That location of money

953
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would help you to be at a you know, compete

954
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in that regard.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's definitely bye.

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Speaker 7: The first is BYU because you've taken Keanu Tonavasa right.

957
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Then you beat them out on other recruits. The pulits

958
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wins flipped and they like remember they were going to

959
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Utah and now they're at BYU. A bunch of other.

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Speaker 2: Recruits that they've lost to other schools.

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Speaker 7: They've lost their premier defensive talent, right they had a

962
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guy go to Washington, so they they've lost, you know,

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studs along their defense. That normally does not happen. Normally

964
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Utah gets people to come in, but they've had an exit.

965
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So I don't know what that is, whether that's nil

966
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culture coach going out, whatever it is, but that has happened.

967
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So I think it's to win the n state recruiting battle,

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when the out of state recruiting battle, and then to

969
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win the conference battle as well. I think it's ranked

970
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in that order, and that's how I view it, especially

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with everything that's transpired. They've lost all the momentum been

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I think related to recruiting and specifically football. And then

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even when you look at basketball, look at what Kevin

974
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Young's done in two years. Utah basketball they let go,

975
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you know, they let Craig Smith walk and look what's happened.

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Speaker 2: It lows to cal Poly.

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Speaker 7: So they need the allocation of funds to beat out

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BYU and people in state, then go out of state,

979
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and then to be competitive in the conference.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's a mixture of both.

981
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. I think you're right, it's a combination

982
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of both. I do think any when you've lost your

983
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rival three years in a row, three games in a row,

984
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like that's going to make you like internalize a lot

985
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of things. And you see the writing on the wall

986
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as far as recruiting in state recruiting. If you start

987
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to lose in state recruits, you know you're at a

988
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competitive disadvantage. You've got to be able to retain talent.

989
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And you've heard attracted talent and retain talent. Kyle Winning

990
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has been open and honest about how he views the

991
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anile of Space and how he looks at and appines

992
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on Texas Tech. And you evaluate the roster and the

993
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money allocated to that roster, and that's what it takes.

994
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I don't have the quote in front of me, but

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essentially he said that it's all based off of the

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amount of money you have in order to pay players.

997
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You can pay the players higher rates, you retain the best,

998
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and you can then win at a higher level. So

999
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he's been open honest about that. Well, we'll see if

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he's gonna get an interview with the University of Michigan

1001
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and keep on coaching, or if he's gonna take his

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