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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to an airwave media podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Monster Talk, the science show about monsters. As

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<v Speaker 2>we record this episode, it's almost Christmas time and we've

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<v Speaker 2>got a lengthy interview with one of the co hosts

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<v Speaker 2>of the popular podcast, The Bigfoot Show, documentarian comedian Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Harriet ben Radford and I have a long chat about

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<v Speaker 2>Scott's thoughts on the field a Bigfoot study, his own

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<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot sighting, and the relationship between skeptics and bigfoot proponents.

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to address one thing first. I got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of mail requesting that we do an episode

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<v Speaker 2>on the Crampus. I wish we had time to do

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<v Speaker 2>that this year, but we were just too busy. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>want to research the folklore, find an expert who could

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<v Speaker 2>tell us about the history of the creature. There's so

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<v Speaker 2>much to cover. It would be easier to do these

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<v Speaker 2>shows if we could just ring up the monsters and

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<v Speaker 2>talk to them, wouldn't it. I wonder what that would

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<v Speaker 2>be like. Listeners have been crying out from Monster Talk

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<v Speaker 2>to coverage of one of the most feared monsters of Europe,

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<v Speaker 2>the demonic assistant to Santa Claus, known as the Crampus.

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<v Speaker 2>Here in America, we get stories of benevolent Santa Claus

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<v Speaker 2>bringing toys to all the good children and bad children

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<v Speaker 2>at the worst are given a love of coal and

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<v Speaker 2>left to puzzle out why Santa has such a terrible

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<v Speaker 2>eco footprint. But in the shadow of Europe's Alps, there's

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<v Speaker 2>another legend, a darker side to Christmas. There, as Santa

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<v Speaker 2>comes with toys and treats for good children, he's accompanied

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<v Speaker 2>by the frightening creature known as the Crampus, a terrifying

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<v Speaker 2>demon bedecked in chains and bells who carries a sack

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<v Speaker 2>and a whip. And where Santa gives toys, the Crampis

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<v Speaker 2>gives lashes, and if that's not enough, the worst children

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<v Speaker 2>are thrown into a sack and carried away. Joining us

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<v Speaker 2>now on Monster Talk is the crampas.

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, hello, and welcome to Monster Talk. So you're the Crampus.

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<v Speaker 2>How long have you been working with Santa Claus?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Forever. I've been working these winter Solstice holidays since the

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<v Speaker 3>people were first belged out from the Earth's room and

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<v Speaker 3>came to live in the shadow of the mountains.

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<v Speaker 2>Fascinating, So you actually pre date Santa Claus of.

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<v Speaker 3>Course, he's only been famous since Fazi eighteen hundreds. It

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<v Speaker 3>was natural for him to want to ride my coattails

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<v Speaker 3>until he could establish himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh. I have to say I didn't expect that. Does

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<v Speaker 2>it bother you that Santa Claus has become more famous?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, no, not at all. In your

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<v Speaker 3>America he's quite famous. But here in Europe, I'm involved

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<v Speaker 3>in some very enjoyable festivals doing early December. I am

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<v Speaker 3>a little more famous than him. Over here in Europe,

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<v Speaker 3>I am a sort of like the uh it's a

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<v Speaker 3>funky bunch to his moggy mark.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the Funky Bunch is more famous than you're a

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<v Speaker 3>ten in America. I don't know if you knew that.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very it's it's true. Let me tell you a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>You say, the Funky Bunch are coming to town. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I am going to buy tickets. This is an

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<v Speaker 3>old German joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm ready, The Funky Bunch are coming to town.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'll buy some tickets.

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<v Speaker 3>You cannot, it's sold out.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I don't understand German humor.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very funny here in Germany. Anyway, that is a

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<v Speaker 3>good fellow. But he never forgets where he came from.

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<v Speaker 3>Without me and my VIPs and my chains, what would

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<v Speaker 3>he be confusing? That's fun, My my punishments and my

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<v Speaker 3>frightening aspects give give him some context.

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<v Speaker 2>I see, do your festivals whip up a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas enthusiasm?

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<v Speaker 3>I do not like puns. I'd leather you didn't speak

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<v Speaker 3>in such a vay. You'll see what I did there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes, very afraid.

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<v Speaker 4>Of me a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, moving on. So you have a bag for the

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<v Speaker 2>worst children.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do with that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let me connect you. I have a sack.

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<v Speaker 1>Mmmmm okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I put the very verse children in the sack and

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<v Speaker 3>drag them off to help, and I devour them alive.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps, But keep in mind that these are the very

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<v Speaker 3>verse children. These are the children who disobeys their parents,

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<v Speaker 3>don't put the toys away, don't help out around the house.

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<v Speaker 3>You say, hey, pick up your skateboard, and they're like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to do that, and then they give

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<v Speaker 3>you a th You see, These kinds of children do

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, on that case, well tell me more about

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<v Speaker 2>your festivals.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's a usual thing. A men dress in furs,

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<v Speaker 3>suits with fantastic long curved horns, and the march down

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<v Speaker 3>the street with lips whipping spectators who gather around files

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<v Speaker 3>drinking hot punch. There is smoke, the sounds of it

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<v Speaker 3>spells chains. You know, it's dunny Christmasy.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I mean, just wow. I tell you, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>believe people don't do that here in America.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, but they do, they do. These festivals are becoming

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<v Speaker 3>more and more popular every year. I look forward to

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<v Speaker 3>a day when my power stretches across the fodders of

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<v Speaker 3>the mean I mean to a Dave. And it's a

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<v Speaker 3>true story of Christmas. It's spread all across the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah okay, okay, Well, thanks for coming on to Monster

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<v Speaker 2>Talk to talk about yourself, mister Crampus. One final question

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<v Speaker 2>we'd like to ask all our guests, what's your favorite monster?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>I did not expect that question. I suppose it would

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<v Speaker 3>have to be Is that a fat monster from the

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<v Speaker 3>Ghost of Baston's.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, Slimer, I love that little green ghost.

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<v Speaker 3>No no, no, no, no, no, Slimer, that's dynachroid.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually quite unlike anything we've ever seen before.

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<v Speaker 5>A giant hairy creature party party mat in Luckness, a

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<v Speaker 5>twenty four mile long bottomless lake in the highlands of Scotland,

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<v Speaker 5>get a creature known as the Luckness Monster. MOREBSTT.

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<v Speaker 2>Today we're talking with Scott Harriet. Let me tell you

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<v Speaker 2>that I first saw Scott on tech TV a long

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<v Speaker 2>time ago. I used to watch tach TV a lot

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<v Speaker 2>before it disappeared. I occasionally would see you on the

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<v Speaker 2>screen Savers and I want to say it was either

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<v Speaker 2>the Screen Savers or Unscrewed where you came on and

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned that you had a big foot documentary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think at that Yeah, at that time, I

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<v Speaker 1>had done one called Squatching yep, that's the one at

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon dot com okay, which also has by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>Journey Towards Squatched Them, which was a mockumentary I made.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, as someone who does think that it's probable

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<v Speaker 1>that these things exist, much like you guys on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the fence. At times I get fed

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<v Speaker 1>up with the guys who come in. I've had eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sightings and he lives in my SHD. You know. I

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<v Speaker 1>just so I wanted to have a little fun with

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<v Speaker 1>those guys who I felt gave the phenomena, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>too much crack potism. So that's what Journey towards squatchrom is.

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<v Speaker 1>Along with squatching it's a steal at nineteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll put a link in the show notes too. Oh awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks guys, that's awesome and the reason what happened. Then

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<v Speaker 2>later on in life, I started this Monster Talk podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>and very early on some people suggested that we have

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<v Speaker 2>one of you from the Bigfoot Show on to sort

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<v Speaker 2>of talk about the show, and I didn't get around

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<v Speaker 2>to it. And then earlier this year I started listening

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<v Speaker 2>to the show and I thought, well, that's not a

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<v Speaker 2>bad idea. That's how you got invited. So maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>can tell us how did you get involved with Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 2>in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's a good question. I was captured by one

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<v Speaker 1>when I was three. Now, I think like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of kids, a lot of kids in the sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm fifty two. You know, there was the talk

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<v Speaker 1>of the Patterson film, which, by the way, I think

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<v Speaker 1>is in all strong probability of hoax. If you've listened

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<v Speaker 1>to the if you if you listen to the big Foot. You.

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<v Speaker 1>I hammer that home at nauseum. But I actually, if

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<v Speaker 1>I could pinpointed a one thing, it was probably a book,

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<v Speaker 1>one of John Green's book that my dad bought me

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<v Speaker 1>called The Year of the Sasquatch, and I found just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of John's I felt, you know, just documentation of these,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, alleged encounters dating back into the eighteen hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>in the Native American stories, and I found it compelling.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I remember years later, I'd always been kind

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<v Speaker 1>of interested in it for many different reasons, anthropologically, sociologically, psychotically,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was curious. At one point there was a

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<v Speaker 1>story on CNN in the mid eighties about a report

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<v Speaker 1>in the Southern Sierra. I said, I have a big

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<v Speaker 1>fun I wondered what's going on in that thing? And

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<v Speaker 1>I was curious. I went to my science library at

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<v Speaker 1>the university I had gone to, and I was just

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<v Speaker 1>curious if there was any actual books on the phenomena,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was Green's Sasquatch the Apes among Us, and

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of blew me away. There's this five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty five page book, and I read the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing and I thought, that's pretty that's pretty darn interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So kind of since then, I've been pretty hooked on it.

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<v Speaker 1>As mentioned, Yeah, I leaned toward it, but like you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>or any others of a skeptical bent, I would agree

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<v Speaker 1>fully that the argument via strong physical evidence is weak

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<v Speaker 1>at best. What compels me is something that happened to

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<v Speaker 1>me in nineteen ninety two, along with the sheer volume

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<v Speaker 1>of sightings dating back to the eighteen hundreds in the

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific Northwest area. Whether or not they exist elsewhere, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, or I yeah, I kind of. I've talked

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<v Speaker 1>to some people who's allegedly at some encounters find them interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>but having spent a lot of time in the Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>Northwest British Columbia, Oregon, Washington, Northwest California, I'm and this

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<v Speaker 1>is where the thing had happened to me in ninety two.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm short of scientific verification. I'm pretty damn convinced that

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<v Speaker 1>there's something to it. Good Night, that's our show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, all right, have one guys, Now, you saw something

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen nine two.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think you saw that?

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<v Speaker 1>God? I meant, do you want me to do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's hard to kind of condense the story without

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<v Speaker 1>begging questions, but I'll do my damnest. I was interested.

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<v Speaker 1>There were there were some people who were investigating this

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<v Speaker 1>phenomena in the early nineties, and I'm sure Ben knows

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<v Speaker 1>about this, you know, with an advent of call blasting

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<v Speaker 1>had coming on YouTube as well. You know, this idea

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<v Speaker 1>that well, maybe if we blast gorilla cries or other

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<v Speaker 1>higher primate cries into the wild, along with some purported

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<v Speaker 1>sasquad screams, perhaps something would find it interesting to investigate.

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<v Speaker 1>Something might answer black back blah blah blah. So I

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<v Speaker 1>called a small town of Willow Creek in northwest California

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<v Speaker 1>kind of known as an alleged Bigfoot area along with

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<v Speaker 1>it not to mention, and oddly enough it's a uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it has a lot of businesses with the

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<v Speaker 1>name Bigfoot involved as well. And I talked to the

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<v Speaker 1>someone like myself back dump me off for a few

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<v Speaker 1>weeks in some of these areas where there's been these

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<v Speaker 1>alleged encounters, where I could do some of its experimentation,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, now, I don't know of anybody who

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<v Speaker 1>does that. She goes, but it is weird that you're

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<v Speaker 1>of bigfoot questions. And I go, why is that weird?

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<v Speaker 1>And she says, well, this guy called here yesterday because

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<v Speaker 1>he was very emotional, very bent out of shape, saying

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<v Speaker 1>that his son and his son's friend had just come

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<v Speaker 1>back out of the woods and had claimed to see

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<v Speaker 1>this approximately six foot tall whitish, grayish, whitish manlike things

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<v Speaker 1>staring at them and they were freaking out and blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah. I was able to get in contact with

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<v Speaker 1>the father, talked to him for about a half hour,

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<v Speaker 1>and what I came away from that phone call was

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<v Speaker 1>probably seen something big, probably alive, that they couldn't explain

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<v Speaker 1>whether it was bigfoot or not, but based on the description,

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<v Speaker 1>it was meeting what the typical bigfoot description was. So

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<v Speaker 1>I had a few days off, I drive up there,

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<v Speaker 1>took a buddy of mine up with me, a skeptic

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<v Speaker 1>we interviewed them separately, and was surprised to find, well,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps something to it, but their stories lined up. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>there were no contradictions. They were saying in essence that

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<v Speaker 1>they were looking for snakes. The twelve year old kid

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<v Speaker 1>looked up and he said, about one hundred feet away,

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<v Speaker 1>up on the bankment, in full view, not like lurking

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<v Speaker 1>behind a tree or next. It was the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>down around its knees, allegedly around its feet were ferns,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was very muscular, they said. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>like a man, but clearly not a man, and its

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<v Speaker 1>only movement was a slight arm movement. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we were trying to trip the kids up when we interviewed,

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<v Speaker 1>and they seemed very believable. I mean, they just seem

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<v Speaker 1>like this kid's not lying, this other kid's not lyon

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<v Speaker 1>didn't seem like they were lying. So that added another, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of interesting. So have I lost you yet?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry? It built, it gets better and better, you think, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you go ahead, okay, So so did I mention we

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, that you didn't mention that. Okay, no, but

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<v Speaker 4>we were the kid, you were right.

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<v Speaker 1>So we went to where they said this thing was standing,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were some interesting indentations where in the foliage there.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, unless you have you know, really definitive

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<v Speaker 1>like toe prints, which would still not prove it was

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<v Speaker 1>a big foot. Somebody could have hope something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot you can find in the forest that

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<v Speaker 1>people could say, oh, that's a big when in fact

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know what it is. But still they were

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<v Speaker 1>pretty Both of these kids were compelling. So I had

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<v Speaker 1>to go back home, back to La I kept in

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<v Speaker 1>contact with the father about what, if anything, to do

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<v Speaker 1>next as far as follow up. Now, the where this

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<v Speaker 1>happened was right at the base of this very steep,

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<v Speaker 1>gnarly densely vegetated hill that just goes up and up

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<v Speaker 1>and up and up, and so we decided, look, if

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<v Speaker 1>there's something to the kid's story you could tell from

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<v Speaker 1>down below in the floor of this valley, you can

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<v Speaker 1>look up and see where this old logging road still existed.

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<v Speaker 1>And because the hill had been logged approximately about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five years earlier, and all this underbrush had grown up.

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<v Speaker 1>So we figured, look, if there's somebody to the kids story,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps there's some footprint evidence up on the old these

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<v Speaker 1>old road or roads which hadn't probably been driven on

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<v Speaker 1>in many, many years. So Darrel the father, finds out

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<v Speaker 1>that this area that extends back, we find out there's

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<v Speaker 1>actually some barbed wire, intermittent barbed wire at the base

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<v Speaker 1>of the hill near where the kids said this thing

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<v Speaker 1>was standing. And we found out this older couple owned

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<v Speaker 1>this property that extended back for miles, very very wild,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we decided we would go to them and

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<v Speaker 1>ask them for permission and just tell them straight up

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<v Speaker 1>what the kids had told us. So we go there,

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<v Speaker 1>we tell the lady and she looks at us and

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<v Speaker 1>she goes, oh, yeah, we know they're there, like matter

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<v Speaker 1>of factly, like she's talking about a coffee table in

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<v Speaker 1>front of her. So that was another hmm, okay, well

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever seen one note we've lived here thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five years. We have two friends, you're either your Hoopa

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<v Speaker 1>Native Americans who said they each had a sighting a

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<v Speaker 1>road siding at night, one crossing in front. So that

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<v Speaker 1>was another okay, So that was kind of interesting. So well,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to go up this hill and look on

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<v Speaker 1>this road. Now, we didn't tell them when we were

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<v Speaker 1>going to be going up. They said, you can go

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<v Speaker 1>up anytime. All we ask is, you know, don't bring

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of people, don't bring any firearms. But you're

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<v Speaker 1>more very very cool country.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a question.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you said they lived there for thirty to thirty

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<v Speaker 6>five years, they had never seen it, but they yet

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<v Speaker 6>they knew what they were there.

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<v Speaker 4>How did they know what they were there if they'd

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<v Speaker 4>never seen it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I agree that stating in a in a definitive

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<v Speaker 1>sense that they knew, but they felt. I mean she

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<v Speaker 1>felt they were there because she found those two people credit.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would agree there was there was no direct

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<v Speaker 1>eyewitnessing from them. It was just that what she said

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<v Speaker 1>I added another layer of credibility for me as someone

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So, so we go up the hill and

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<v Speaker 1>we started off there and it's it's a gnarly, very

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<v Speaker 1>steep hill, and I bring my high eight camera. If

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<v Speaker 1>you guys remember Hiate from the early nineties, and Darryl

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<v Speaker 1>actually had a VHS camera where you actually load the

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<v Speaker 1>VHS in the side of the of the cameras.

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<v Speaker 4>Old school, old school, old.

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<v Speaker 1>School hernia inducing. So we start up and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>recall actually talking to Daryl about this. I'm sure he

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<v Speaker 1>probably felt the same way. I know I did. We

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<v Speaker 1>both felt or I felt, assuming he felt this way,

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<v Speaker 1>that you know that we're not going to see anything.

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<v Speaker 1>If you told me you saw a bear at Point

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<v Speaker 1>A and I go back a few weeks later, probably

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<v Speaker 1>not going to see the bear. I mean, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>keep I'm gonna be keeping an eye out because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe there was somebody said there was a bear.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to keep an eye out. But so we're

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<v Speaker 1>going up this hill and it's very as I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's thankfully very maltchie, so you could dig

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<v Speaker 1>your feet in and huge ferns where you pull yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>very rainforesting, and it takes us about an hour and

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<v Speaker 1>a half two hours to get to the top. This's

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<v Speaker 1>an apex actually, it's kind of several hills kind of

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<v Speaker 1>contoured together, where there is this large I believe it's

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<v Speaker 1>a Douglas fir, well over one hundred feet tall, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was kind of our beacon as we headed up

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<v Speaker 1>because the undergrowth of the stuff was really, really dense.

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<v Speaker 1>So we get to this tree, and at that point

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<v Speaker 1>the hill begins to level off a little bit, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of starts a little bit of a ridge heading toward

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<v Speaker 1>where we know these roads are. And about sixty feet

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<v Speaker 1>past this tree, just getting ready to head into some

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<v Speaker 1>really really dense vegetation, I notice about forty feet up

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of me this darkness, which is low down, part

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<v Speaker 1>of which is shadowing caused by a big old tree

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<v Speaker 1>that had fallen, and the shadowing underneath it was there,

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<v Speaker 1>so it just caught my eye relative to the greenery,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I noticed in this darkness what appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>be two pretty big brown eyes looking out of it

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<v Speaker 1>at me. Now, the first thing I'm thinking, well, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no real squatch alarm going on because it's low right,

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<v Speaker 1>but whatever this is seems pretty big, and it just

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't move for about thirty seconds, and then it starts

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<v Speaker 1>to slowly sway back and forth, like really about maybe

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<v Speaker 1>moving inch one way, an inch another way, So it's

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<v Speaker 1>clearly an animal. It's moving. Videotape this and for ten

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<v Speaker 1>minutes we're sitting there looking at this thing and trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out what it is because it's back at

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<v Speaker 1>shadowed you're really only getting the reflection off the eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>You see little dap bits of light reflecting off what

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<v Speaker 1>would be its face. I was pretty convinced, having done

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of backpacking, after about a minute, pretty convinced

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<v Speaker 1>it was not a bear. A bear would have been

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<v Speaker 1>gone super fast. Bears don't check you out, especially bears

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<v Speaker 1>northern California. It didn't have the eyest of a cougar,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet it seems still pretty big, but again it's

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<v Speaker 1>relatively low. So we're sitting there and I'm taping it,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're, you know, just kind of how were we

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do. We weren't really feeling scared or apprehensive at

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<v Speaker 1>this at this point, so we just thought, well, what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell. After about ten minutes, let's move toward this thing. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we take one, perhaps two steps toward this whatever it was,

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<v Speaker 1>and God and or Brothman or the void is my witness,

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<v Speaker 1>the eyes of this animal gave off. Coupled with what

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<v Speaker 1>I think was a dilation of the eyes, this weird

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<v Speaker 1>ass red glow, and I mean like there were two

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<v Speaker 1>as though there were two lit cigarettes in the back

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<v Speaker 1>of the head of this thing, and somebody was inhaling simultaneously.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just this very reddish and it happened twice

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<v Speaker 1>in about ten seconds, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very odd and you, yeah, did you have

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<v Speaker 2>a light on your camera?

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<v Speaker 1>No, this was This was two thirty in the afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>filtered sunlight coming down through the canopy of largely rhododendron.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fairly like. But again, whatever this was, it

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<v Speaker 1>was shadowed underneath this tree. So but this red, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it really did appear like bioluminescence. It really looked red.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, another example i'd give you know, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in a darkened movie theater and you see how

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<v Speaker 1>red the exit sign is about I'd say about sixty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of that intensity. So it was really red. And

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't it didn't look to me like when I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen eyeshine from a deer on the road at night,

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<v Speaker 1>or a dog or a cat. It wasn't like a glint.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like sh and thankfully it didn't make that noise.

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<v Speaker 1>But it happened twice, and then at that point the

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<v Speaker 1>plausibility for me that this might in fact be one

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<v Speaker 1>of these things increased somewhat substantially, based on the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that people have rightly or wrongly, correctly or incorrectly have

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<v Speaker 1>reported this odd red eyeglowiated with these alleged animals. It's

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat pervasive in the in the record of sightings, not

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<v Speaker 1>tons of it. I would say, I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen twenty percent of sighting Some report this, especially people

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<v Speaker 1>who have been close report this weird red eye glow,

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<v Speaker 1>so that it was creepy enough. Whether this is bigfoot

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<v Speaker 1>or not, it was creepy. It was just like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's stop. What are we going to do that? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't want to go any farther because we did.

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<v Speaker 1>What does the red mean? Is it pissed off? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it scared? So I thought, well, if I go down

420
00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:34.680
<v Speaker 1>to the right, like we're basically right next to each other, Daryl,

421
00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:37.119
<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of stuff in between us and

422
00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:39.519
<v Speaker 1>this thing whatever it is, but you could see it

423
00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:43.680
<v Speaker 1>through an opening through the vegetation. I figured if we go,

424
00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:46.559
<v Speaker 1>if I go to the right and Daryl goes to

425
00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:50.680
<v Speaker 1>the left, perhaps whatever this thing is might think that

426
00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:52.839
<v Speaker 1>we're trying to surround it and as a result, it

427
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.640
<v Speaker 1>might get up out of that log reveal itself. We

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<v Speaker 1>get video when you find out what it is so

429
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<v Speaker 1>I get about fifteen feet down to the right of Daryl. Darryl,

430
00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:04.240
<v Speaker 1>as he told me later, tried to go left, but

431
00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:06.279
<v Speaker 1>it was so dense, he said, it was like a

432
00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:08.880
<v Speaker 1>wall there too much, So we actually actually think he

433
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<v Speaker 1>was a little scared to He turned back to his

434
00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:15.720
<v Speaker 1>right and started heading toward me. And again I'm approximately

435
00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:19.440
<v Speaker 1>fifteen feet away from him when I hear him suddenly

436
00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:23.319
<v Speaker 1>just kind of going huh, okay, excuse me now. And

437
00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:25.839
<v Speaker 1>I look back at him and he's holding up his

438
00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:29.359
<v Speaker 1>camera and he's obviously taping something, this time not down

439
00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:31.880
<v Speaker 1>at the ground, but up in the air, and he's

440
00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:34.559
<v Speaker 1>pointing with his finger. I can see him, and he's

441
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:38.279
<v Speaker 1>clearly shaken up. This stuff we were in. This vegetation

442
00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:41.039
<v Speaker 1>was so thick that if you move three or four

443
00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:43.240
<v Speaker 1>feet from your point A and you move to point B,

444
00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:46.000
<v Speaker 1>you can't see what you just saw. So and again

445
00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:48.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm roughly fifteen feet away from him, so I don't

446
00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:50.480
<v Speaker 1>know what the helly it is he's seeing. I'm just

447
00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:53.240
<v Speaker 1>trying to calm him down because he's pointing with his finger.

448
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:56.279
<v Speaker 1>Excuse me if I'm crying at this moment. It's right here.

449
00:24:56.359 --> 00:24:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Blah blah, Blah says that he tapes her about thirty seconds.

450
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:02.359
<v Speaker 1>The camera goes limp in his hand, and then he

451
00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:06.079
<v Speaker 1>starts crying. He looks at me and tears in his eyes.

452
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:09.720
<v Speaker 1>He's whispering. I've moved up a little closer to him,

453
00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:15.559
<v Speaker 1>probably six feet, but he is not literally, thankfully, but

454
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:17.359
<v Speaker 1>he goes, it's right there. He's like, was it right?

455
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Standing up the butt. I'm go, what is I got?

456
00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:21.559
<v Speaker 1>It's right, I got, you know, And he goes this

457
00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:25.160
<v Speaker 1>thing or whatever, And now I'm getting scared, and I'm

458
00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:27.640
<v Speaker 1>just trying to calm myself down, calm him down. And

459
00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:32.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, okay, the rational side of my brain's going, well,

460
00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:35.920
<v Speaker 1>he apparently just tapes something. We have no pepper spray,

461
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:38.119
<v Speaker 1>and we have no gun. We don't know what exactly

462
00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:40.400
<v Speaker 1>it is. I have no idea what exactly is going

463
00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:43.599
<v Speaker 1>on here, but he just taped something for about thirty seconds.

464
00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:46.559
<v Speaker 1>Discretion being the better part of valor, Why don't we

465
00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:49.440
<v Speaker 1>get the hell off this hill? So we start down

466
00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the hill, we'd stop, we'd go down a bit. Stop listen,

467
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:54.599
<v Speaker 1>didn't hear anything? Come after stop, listen, come back. So

468
00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm really anxious to see this videotape. Get get down

469
00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:01.160
<v Speaker 1>to the bottom, pop the videotape in. Based on his reaction,

470
00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:04.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm expecting to see something kind of latantly there. And

471
00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:07.680
<v Speaker 1>if I recall correctly, I'm pretty close to the TV

472
00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.079
<v Speaker 1>and I play it and I'm like, what the hell

473
00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>are you talking about?

474
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:11.799
<v Speaker 3>It?

475
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Look like there's a lot of foreground vegetation. There's foreground

476
00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:20.720
<v Speaker 1>background vegetation, luckily a lot. It's kind of a still life.

477
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:22.960
<v Speaker 1>There was no wind on that on that hill. This

478
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:25.400
<v Speaker 1>will come into play in just a little bit why

479
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:29.319
<v Speaker 1>this was important. But it's just all these ferns and stuff,

480
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, what the hell is he talking about it?

481
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:33.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I watch it through, then I rewind it

482
00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:35.880
<v Speaker 1>and I freeze it, and then I step back from

483
00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:38.799
<v Speaker 1>the TV. I get about ten feet away from the TV,

484
00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:40.599
<v Speaker 1>and I'm looking around and all of a sudden, I'm like,

485
00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:45.000
<v Speaker 1>ohly crap. And I actually remember looking down to my

486
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:50.119
<v Speaker 1>rights and telling myself, be objective, be objective, be objective,

487
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:54.160
<v Speaker 1>don't roar shark this thing. Yes, we're investigating an alleged

488
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Sascott squad report. Yes I'm interested in this phenomena. Yes

489
00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.680
<v Speaker 1>I think these things are probably true. That said be

490
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:04.759
<v Speaker 1>objective as possible. And I look back at this image

491
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:10.079
<v Speaker 1>and roughly I would say, thirty thirty five feet where

492
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:13.200
<v Speaker 1>he's pointing the camera, sticking out of the side of

493
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:17.519
<v Speaker 1>this huge rhododendron plant is what appears to be a

494
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:25.160
<v Speaker 1>huge ash of schwartz Enagrian mountain guerrillion whitish upper arm,

495
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:27.759
<v Speaker 1>just hanging out to the side.

496
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<v Speaker 4>So you have you have, so you have video of this?

497
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, there's you know in fact, then I would

498
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.200
<v Speaker 1>hate to say, you know, and it's available on squatching,

499
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:39.720
<v Speaker 1>but I will send you a free copy because I

500
00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:44.200
<v Speaker 1>respect you or anyone who who you know applies the

501
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:46.119
<v Speaker 1>scientific method, which they always did, and by the way,

502
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:51.680
<v Speaker 1>scientifically as evidence, this is worthless, I think, because what

503
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:55.359
<v Speaker 1>can how can you prove it's a person as opposed

504
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.960
<v Speaker 1>to not a person? There's all this stuff, but I.

505
00:27:57.960 --> 00:27:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Mean, right, how do we know it's not just a

506
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:01.440
<v Speaker 2>well armed roaded endum eactly?

507
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:05.480
<v Speaker 1>That is the best line I've ever heard pertaining to

508
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:09.559
<v Speaker 1>the rhododendron in this story. Anyway, Ben, I'll send you that.

509
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:15.000
<v Speaker 1>So so again I'm looking at it and again trying

510
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:17.119
<v Speaker 1>to analyze it. At the same time. It's like, okay, well,

511
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:18.960
<v Speaker 1>what does it look like? It looks you know, I'm

512
00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:23.200
<v Speaker 1>like on a mountain gorilla or an orangutang. The deltoid

513
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:25.559
<v Speaker 1>muscle in the upper arm really bulges out, right, They

514
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:29.519
<v Speaker 1>kind of really stick out, and this object really sticks

515
00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:32.039
<v Speaker 1>out in that shape. Our glasses down to kind of

516
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:36.319
<v Speaker 1>a bicep tricept to If you're looking at the point

517
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:39.119
<v Speaker 1>of view of the camera, you see like a darkness

518
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:41.480
<v Speaker 1>which should be kind of like just below the armpit,

519
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.279
<v Speaker 1>and then the beginning of what would be the torso

520
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:47.319
<v Speaker 1>same color as the arm, but then it's the thick

521
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:51.200
<v Speaker 1>rhododendron bush. Now, this arm, if in fact it's an arm,

522
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:53.640
<v Speaker 1>is not hanging all the way down. It's bent at

523
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:56.240
<v Speaker 1>the elbow. So what you have for sure in this

524
00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:58.759
<v Speaker 1>is an object. You can clearly see the object. I

525
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:03.359
<v Speaker 1>would pretty could pretty much estimate it's about two and

526
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:08.839
<v Speaker 1>a half three feet long and probably you know, seven

527
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:12.599
<v Speaker 1>eight inches wide, And again with this general shape of

528
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:15.559
<v Speaker 1>like an upper arm. So having seen that on there

529
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:20.160
<v Speaker 1>and trying to apply reason as much as possible, going okay, well,

530
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:23.480
<v Speaker 1>let's test this. If that is an upper arm, then

531
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:25.039
<v Speaker 1>it would stand a reason that if you go from

532
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:29.119
<v Speaker 1>the tip of that purported shoulder up into the left

533
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:33.319
<v Speaker 1>about forty five degrees. There should be something, however, obscured,

534
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.839
<v Speaker 1>resembling a head, correct, especially if you would think so. Well,

535
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>you go up and behind two or three at approximately

536
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:48.119
<v Speaker 1>six feet tall I would estimate, given Daryl's height, behind

537
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:54.200
<v Speaker 1>two thin rhododendron branches, there is this chrome domey same

538
00:29:54.400 --> 00:30:00.440
<v Speaker 1>color as the upper arm, head shaped object right about

539
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:04.319
<v Speaker 1>where the brow is, which appears to be protruding. And again,

540
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean you'll have to see it for yourself, Ben

541
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>and again obviously, and anybody listening don't take my word

542
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:10.519
<v Speaker 1>for it. And that's not a plug for the film.

543
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:14.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying from where the brow ridge is down

544
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:18.160
<v Speaker 1>around the face, it's black. I mean, it's just black.

545
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>So you've got this very chrome domie and it's contiguous

546
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:27.359
<v Speaker 1>with this alleged upper arm. You can't see the connectings

547
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:29.880
<v Speaker 1>if there is a connecting shoulder or you know, a

548
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:33.039
<v Speaker 1>soulder blade or whatever, because the plant is there. So

549
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.400
<v Speaker 1>then we look, okay, so that I'm looking at the video, Okay, okay,

550
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.279
<v Speaker 1>there is this thing that looks like ahead same color

551
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.200
<v Speaker 1>as the arm. Now I'm looking for movement. And this

552
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:44.799
<v Speaker 1>is what I alluded to earlier about the plants not moving,

553
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:49.160
<v Speaker 1>is that I'm gonna be focusing when I watched this again,

554
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:52.480
<v Speaker 1>just focus on this alleged head and see if it moves,

555
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:54.839
<v Speaker 1>because when you watch the video, you can see none

556
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:57.200
<v Speaker 1>of the plants move at all, because it's just still.

557
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.640
<v Speaker 1>It's a still day. You play the tape and twice

558
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.960
<v Speaker 1>in that actually I think it's twenty nine seconds, this

559
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:10.759
<v Speaker 1>purported head tilts out not only once, but goes back again,

560
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:13.599
<v Speaker 1>holds for eight seconds, and then tilts out again. And

561
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:17.599
<v Speaker 1>now I'm understanding a little better Daryl's responses because when

562
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I was standing at fifteen three when he says like,

563
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:23.279
<v Speaker 1>huh uh, I mean he's like reacting to something, And

564
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:27.119
<v Speaker 1>now coupled with seeing the video, now I'm understanding what

565
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:30.640
<v Speaker 1>he was saying so or at least what was happening

566
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 1>with the movement. I got interviewed on Sightings about this video,

567
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>and I remember when they were looking at the video.

568
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:43.240
<v Speaker 1>The guy the initially he was some German dude, and

569
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:45.240
<v Speaker 1>he goes, he goes, well, you know, if the camera

570
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:47.720
<v Speaker 1>is moving a bit, it can give the illusion that

571
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:49.839
<v Speaker 1>the object is moving. And I knew what he was

572
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:51.960
<v Speaker 1>talking about, because if the camera's moving, it can give

573
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:54.000
<v Speaker 1>that illusion that an object is moving in the foreground

574
00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:57.599
<v Speaker 1>or in the background. And he was also like ultra skeptical,

575
00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:02.279
<v Speaker 1>and he's right, it can't happen. But just from a

576
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>common sense point of view, when you walk it, watch it,

577
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.000
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty clear whatever that is is moving by itself.

578
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.759
<v Speaker 1>But he had some kind of software where he something

579
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:13.200
<v Speaker 1>where you use the edge of the video and they

580
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.599
<v Speaker 1>could run parameters to determine whether or not that object

581
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>is moving by himself. So he runs this test and

582
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.279
<v Speaker 1>I remember he had to be somewhat defeated. He as well,

583
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:26.119
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, it's moving byself, So not that it

584
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>means it's bigfoot or anything, but it heever, it was right, yeah,

585
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:33.519
<v Speaker 1>whatever was. So we went back the next day with

586
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:38.279
<v Speaker 1>two other people. There was where the eyes were, There

587
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.079
<v Speaker 1>was nothing there. The next day would be the case

588
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:44.359
<v Speaker 1>with any animal. But we went about twenty feet i

589
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:49.839
<v Speaker 1>would say, past where the shoulder head object was through

590
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:55.160
<v Speaker 1>extremely thick, literally on our hands and knees, vegetation, and

591
00:32:55.359 --> 00:33:00.799
<v Speaker 1>we found what was clearly some type of net. What

592
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:03.799
<v Speaker 1>made it, I don't know, but it was clearly matted down.

593
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:07.119
<v Speaker 1>It was approximately twenty five feet long fifteen feet wide.

594
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.519
<v Speaker 1>We crawled into it, looked around. It reminded me quite

595
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:13.920
<v Speaker 1>a bit of like gorilla's nests had that kind of

596
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:16.319
<v Speaker 1>look to it, and again top of the hill of

597
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:18.759
<v Speaker 1>prime defensive positions, kind of where mountain gorillas hang out.

598
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.000
<v Speaker 1>And as you sit in it, you could see at

599
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>the bottom of it where everything had been matted down.

600
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:25.359
<v Speaker 3>Some of the.

601
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Vegetation appeared to be was disturbed, like in this wall

602
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.319
<v Speaker 1>of vegetation. It kind of circular, as though something or

603
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.279
<v Speaker 1>things had been crawling in and out. And if you

604
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:38.720
<v Speaker 1>went straight through that hole and down slightly to the right,

605
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>that's where the eyes were. And if you went out

606
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:43.480
<v Speaker 1>straight out of it and then slightly to the left,

607
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.680
<v Speaker 1>that's where the shoulder head was. We went up close

608
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:51.920
<v Speaker 1>to where the log was, and in my opinion, having

609
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.440
<v Speaker 1>gotten close to that log, being right up on it,

610
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:58.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't think what Daryl got on video the shoulder

611
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:02.680
<v Speaker 1>head thing, which was again approximately six feet tall, could

612
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>have fit down there. It just didn't. It seemed too

613
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.960
<v Speaker 1>small of an area. But something about the size of

614
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:12.719
<v Speaker 1>a chimp could have fit down there. So it's great.

615
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean I know it's great. This must write the

616
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:17.719
<v Speaker 1>skeptic's crazy when you say somebody has a sighting. But honestly,

617
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:23.119
<v Speaker 1>having been there, considered all other possibilities, I honestly think

618
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.199
<v Speaker 1>in all strong probability that there were not one but

619
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:28.599
<v Speaker 1>two of these things there that day.

620
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:33.400
<v Speaker 6>And so ye, if it was a nest, then presumably

621
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:35.440
<v Speaker 6>there would be maybe some hair scattered y.

622
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:36.880
<v Speaker 4>Any well, yeah, there was.

623
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:41.039
<v Speaker 1>In fact, the day we went up, there was some

624
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:44.639
<v Speaker 1>hair actually found and there was a guy. And again

625
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:46.880
<v Speaker 1>you can check this and I don't know, as you know,

626
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:50.079
<v Speaker 1>if he's considered a crackpot or not. But Darryl and

627
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.719
<v Speaker 1>I got interviewed on the Ancient Mystery Show, which was

628
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:57.320
<v Speaker 1>they did a show on Bigfoot. This was like ninety four.

629
00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:58.239
<v Speaker 1>I think it came out.

630
00:34:58.800 --> 00:34:59.119
<v Speaker 2>I have that.

631
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, if you look on it. Well, there's two

632
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:03.639
<v Speaker 1>things about it. I want to say. The first thing

633
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:07.800
<v Speaker 1>is the hairs that we found that day were given

634
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:11.079
<v Speaker 1>to a guy, a gentleman named Sterling Bunell. I don't

635
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:16.000
<v Speaker 1>know if you know him. Apparently he's a primatologist and

636
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.400
<v Speaker 1>he lives somewhere in the Bay area. I did verify

637
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:20.719
<v Speaker 1>that there is a Sterling Bunell, who was a primatologist

638
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:22.800
<v Speaker 1>who lives in San Francisco. Whether he again he's a

639
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:23.880
<v Speaker 1>crackpot or not, I don't know.

640
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:25.000
<v Speaker 4>But he.

641
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Gave a report on these hairs and this is what

642
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:32.079
<v Speaker 1>he said. And again it was a morphological analysis. It

643
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.000
<v Speaker 1>wasn't it wasn't genetics. So again, scientifically, it's just this

644
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.599
<v Speaker 1>one guy's opinion. He said that the internal structure of

645
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:43.119
<v Speaker 1>the hair was very similar to samples of chimpanzee and

646
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>mountain gorilla hairs that he had. He said, similar yet distinguishable.

647
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:52.840
<v Speaker 1>So again, for whatever that's worth, there's that guy's opinion.

648
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Were these hairs that you collected or someone else.

649
00:35:56.599 --> 00:36:00.400
<v Speaker 1>I found? I think one, maybe two. Daryl found a

650
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.599
<v Speaker 1>few of them, and I don't remember how many of

651
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.760
<v Speaker 1>it were. It was got nineteen Jesus Christ nineteen years ago.

652
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:07.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

653
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, the reason I ask is because you know, there

654
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:12.280
<v Speaker 2>was a time when you had to have the root

655
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:16.400
<v Speaker 2>of the hair to do any DNA analysis, and apparently

656
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:19.840
<v Speaker 2>now you can use hair and not have the root

657
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:23.679
<v Speaker 2>and still get fifty percent of the time successful DNA extraction.

658
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Dude, you should seriously post that on Brave the Bigfoot

659
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.280
<v Speaker 1>Forms or wherever they're and go on there because that, wow,

660
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:36.079
<v Speaker 1>that's not my understanding is that or up until this

661
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:40.119
<v Speaker 1>point that it had to be roots preserved and alcohol

662
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:42.159
<v Speaker 1>and even if you have the root, it was going

663
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>to be you know, dicey at best. But that's that's awesome,

664
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 1>especially with a lot of the claims that come out

665
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:51.119
<v Speaker 1>when people say they have and is that what the

666
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:55.400
<v Speaker 1>the ketchum DNA folks are using? No, I don't know.

667
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:57.159
<v Speaker 2>That was one of the things we wanted to ask

668
00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>you about it or what you had heard, because the

669
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:01.480
<v Speaker 2>very little is leaking out of there.

670
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think I'm kind of on board with you

671
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:07.320
<v Speaker 1>guys on this. There's too much.

672
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.360
<v Speaker 6>Actually, Scott, before we go, why don't we not all

673
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:12.800
<v Speaker 6>our listeners know about the whole catching DNA stuff. So

674
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.400
<v Speaker 6>if you can give us a little concise background on

675
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:16.920
<v Speaker 6>it and then talk to us about what do you

676
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:18.159
<v Speaker 6>think it's so?

677
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:20.400
<v Speaker 1>I hope I do it justice. I remember we talked

678
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.320
<v Speaker 1>about it on the show. It's basically there. There's this

679
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:25.760
<v Speaker 1>film project called the Ericsson Project, correct, and there's this

680
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.239
<v Speaker 1>guy he claims to have had some you know, film

681
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:32.119
<v Speaker 1>or video of a sasquatch, you know, face up close

682
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>somewhere I think Kentucky, somewhere back east a bit, and

683
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:38.880
<v Speaker 1>it's been talked about, it's been kind of hyped, it's

684
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 1>gonna come out. It's come out. And then Melba Ketchum,

685
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.039
<v Speaker 1>who's a lady who has done been involved to a

686
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:50.199
<v Speaker 1>degree with DNA analysis, got involved with this project and

687
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:54.159
<v Speaker 1>supposedly they've been sending out you know, you know, sending

688
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:55.920
<v Speaker 1>it to labs and get it, getting stuff done, and

689
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:58.599
<v Speaker 1>she keeps hinting that, oh, it's gonna be it's big,

690
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:00.960
<v Speaker 1>and which I think, well, why don't you wait until

691
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:02.119
<v Speaker 1>the test is done before you know?

692
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:05.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, there were a lot of red flags though,

693
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

694
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, tons of them. Yeah. So I mean it kind

695
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:13.360
<v Speaker 1>of gives those interested in this phenomena a little hope

696
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:16.360
<v Speaker 1>at times. But just the amount of time it was

697
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:21.360
<v Speaker 1>dragged out, and also how definitive she was that she

698
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, wait for the results, don't say

699
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:29.079
<v Speaker 1>you know that they're going to be And so yeah,

700
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:34.320
<v Speaker 1>my feeling is probably nothing's going to come of it. Anyway.

701
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry if I didn't wrap up the story that

702
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:37.880
<v Speaker 1>was pretty much that I have been back up that

703
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:42.639
<v Speaker 1>hill several times. Since I had purchased game cams. And

704
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:45.880
<v Speaker 1>again this is like in the years preceeding that nothing

705
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:50.679
<v Speaker 1>beyond what happened that day. I think it was of

706
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 1>interest where I've always when I've gone back and again,

707
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:55.559
<v Speaker 1>I went back probably about seven times, the last time

708
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:58.880
<v Speaker 1>about ten years ago. What I was interested in seeing

709
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.719
<v Speaker 1>is whether there was any reuse of the nesting area,

710
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:04.960
<v Speaker 1>and there was no evidence to suggest.

711
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:05.440
<v Speaker 4>That that was the case.

712
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.039
<v Speaker 1>In fact, that when I went back up, which is

713
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:12.239
<v Speaker 1>actually documented in squatching with a fellow researcher up there,

714
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:17.440
<v Speaker 1>you could see vegetation actually sprouting up fairly well through

715
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>the old matted down vegetation.

716
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:24.199
<v Speaker 2>So you went back, did you measure the rhodendron bush?

717
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:32.000
<v Speaker 1>No? I didn't. I didn't. That is is just a yeah,

718
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:36.920
<v Speaker 1>pure pure quasi educated guests on how far it was

719
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:40.719
<v Speaker 1>away from the camera having stood there and again, I'd

720
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:45.559
<v Speaker 1>say proximately thirty feet and given the slope you know

721
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:49.719
<v Speaker 1>of the hill. And if I mean again, I probably

722
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:53.119
<v Speaker 1>looked at that videotape over a thousand times. And dude,

723
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I am open to other theories. Open you know, someone said,

724
00:39:56.920 --> 00:39:59.360
<v Speaker 1>well what if you what if they? I mean, I

725
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:01.400
<v Speaker 1>know for a fact I saw an animal whose eyes

726
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:04.000
<v Speaker 1>glowed red. You cannot convince me otherwise. I was there,

727
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>there was red glow, but that's all I saw were

728
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:07.800
<v Speaker 1>the actual eyes.

729
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:08.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

730
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:11.519
<v Speaker 2>Just for the record, I'm a skeptic, but I mean

731
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:16.079
<v Speaker 2>there's that's actually fairly common with mammals to have eye shine,

732
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:19.079
<v Speaker 2>and several of them have read. So that doesn't shock me.

733
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:23.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, really, like like really red, I've never read red.

734
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can send you some pictures from Yeah, there's

735
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:31.840
<v Speaker 2>a it's it's got a name. I forget what it's called.

736
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Hold a second, it's it's not really important. Well, rabbit.

737
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean the name, the Latin name was taped them

738
00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:44.400
<v Speaker 2>something less see them, I guess I shine is what

739
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.159
<v Speaker 2>it's called. But the but different species have different colors.

740
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:50.400
<v Speaker 2>There's owls that have read. I've seen some mammals that

741
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:55.119
<v Speaker 2>have read. Dogs, some types of squirrels.

742
00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I would rule out. I would rule out owls simply

743
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:00.760
<v Speaker 1>due to the size of what I saw.

744
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Sure, Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying I'm not saying that,

745
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:05.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not trying to say it was an

746
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.480
<v Speaker 2>hours grow I'm just saying it doesn't shock me that

747
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:11.360
<v Speaker 2>you saw eyeshine. That's all right, Oh yeah, yeah, dude, dude.

748
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:13.199
<v Speaker 1>It's still to this day that was the creepiest thing

749
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.360
<v Speaker 1>of the whole thing. And it wasn't like a quick glint.

750
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.280
<v Speaker 1>That's what was weird it really, And again I think

751
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:23.280
<v Speaker 1>it was in association having researches after this happened, you know,

752
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:26.360
<v Speaker 1>learning that you know, when mammals get scared, their eyes dilate.

753
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:29.960
<v Speaker 1>It's a common thing to let more light in apparently

754
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:33.800
<v Speaker 1>for you know, a defense mechanism. So when this was happening,

755
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:38.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was like red, I mean red red,

756
00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:42.679
<v Speaker 1>and again two thirty in the afternoon, filtered sunlight. And

757
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:44.239
<v Speaker 1>then you know, I had to then get to take

758
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:46.360
<v Speaker 1>into into consideration, well could it have been while you

759
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.480
<v Speaker 1>were removing your apparent movement? And I don't think so,

760
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.320
<v Speaker 1>because it happened while I was taking a step. Then

761
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:56.039
<v Speaker 1>I stopped, and then the second event of it happened.

762
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:58.360
<v Speaker 1>In other words, it was like the eye dilated red,

763
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:00.800
<v Speaker 1>and then it went back down again diminished, and then

764
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.039
<v Speaker 1>it it opened up again and it was red. And I.

765
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know, I'm not a biologist, but like,

766
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:12.079
<v Speaker 2>but the the the as I understand it, that the

767
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.719
<v Speaker 2>red eye shine or all those eye shines are for

768
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.039
<v Speaker 2>animals that are supposed to be able to see in

769
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:19.599
<v Speaker 2>the dark. Uh, their eyes, the backs of their eyes

770
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.679
<v Speaker 2>kind of worke like mirrors and and collect the light

771
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.400
<v Speaker 2>better than ours do. Right, And so when you see that,

772
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.920
<v Speaker 2>you're always seeing a reflection of light sources that are available.

773
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:33.960
<v Speaker 2>As far as I know, there's no mechanism for any

774
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:37.960
<v Speaker 2>species that would cause the eyes themselves to be bioluminescent, right, exactly.

775
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.559
<v Speaker 1>That. Well, that's why I said it appeared bioluminous, And

776
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean relative to other bits of eyeshine that I

777
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:46.400
<v Speaker 1>that I've witnessed in my life, you know, driving on

778
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:48.639
<v Speaker 1>the road or seeing something at night last night with

779
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:54.320
<v Speaker 1>other animals. Uh it Yeah, it was just whatever it was,

780
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:58.840
<v Speaker 1>it was pretty creepy. And and again non glinty, I think, yeah,

781
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:01.960
<v Speaker 1>you see that glint and this was like it was

782
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.840
<v Speaker 1>like and again what came in mind again because I

783
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:06.960
<v Speaker 1>mentioned it in the big Foot phenomena, is that you

784
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.400
<v Speaker 1>do get these people who said they've seen these things.

785
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean not just people who said they've or I

786
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.239
<v Speaker 1>saw something. And then a red eagle like it was

787
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:18.679
<v Speaker 1>standing right there fully in front of them, and its

788
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.000
<v Speaker 1>eyes gave off this weird red glow either at night

789
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:23.800
<v Speaker 1>or game. Does that prove anything? No, But at least

790
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:27.840
<v Speaker 1>there are those eyewitness accounts. How valid or invalid they

791
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:28.960
<v Speaker 1>are to compare it to?

792
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:33.679
<v Speaker 6>Well, let me ask you, so the uh, how how

793
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:35.800
<v Speaker 6>long was it? How long were you on the property

794
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:36.559
<v Speaker 6>before you saw this?

795
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:38.079
<v Speaker 5>Oh?

796
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:40.639
<v Speaker 1>I would say it was roughly an hour and a

797
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.360
<v Speaker 1>half to two hours. Again, getting up that hill was

798
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:48.480
<v Speaker 1>a real trial and error thing because we we it

799
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:52.079
<v Speaker 1>was a really steep hill and you go off. We

800
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.079
<v Speaker 1>remember we kind of tried to take it. It's almost

801
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:57.719
<v Speaker 1>like imagine a cone, okay, like an upside down cone.

802
00:43:58.320 --> 00:43:59.280
<v Speaker 4>That's kind of what the hill was like.

803
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.440
<v Speaker 1>So you've got this, it kind of curves around, so

804
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:02.920
<v Speaker 1>let's try it over to the left, and it was

805
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.480
<v Speaker 1>literally too steep over to the left, And then we

806
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:07.440
<v Speaker 1>went over to the right and it was too dense.

807
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:09.360
<v Speaker 1>We didn't have anything like a machete or anything, so

808
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:11.840
<v Speaker 1>we just had to kind of weave our way up

809
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.400
<v Speaker 1>and trying to be quiet in case anything was going

810
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:17.840
<v Speaker 1>to But again we were really thinking that we're just

811
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:19.280
<v Speaker 1>trying to get to the roads to look for.

812
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:21.320
<v Speaker 4>Possibly for evidence.

813
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:24.000
<v Speaker 6>I guess, yeah, I guess one thing that that sort

814
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:26.400
<v Speaker 6>of sort of surprises me is that is that you

815
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:29.280
<v Speaker 6>know that these these people can live on the property

816
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:32.000
<v Speaker 6>for thirty or thirty five years and never see.

817
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:33.519
<v Speaker 4>It, and you're on there for an hour and a

818
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:34.480
<v Speaker 4>half and you find one.

819
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Right, but this is where but this property and I

820
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:39.519
<v Speaker 1>didn't say it was right next to theirs. This is

821
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:43.599
<v Speaker 1>property that extended for miles they lived. I was just

822
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:46.360
<v Speaker 1>saying they lived approximately three to four miles. As the

823
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:49.159
<v Speaker 1>crow flies away, this was the edge of it.

824
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:52.800
<v Speaker 6>But they're still in the area. I mean three miles

825
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:55.440
<v Speaker 6>for an animal, you know, ranges, that's not much.

826
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:57.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, I would say this too. I don't know how

827
00:44:57.119 --> 00:44:58.679
<v Speaker 1>many of those have actually gone up woul it'd be

828
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:02.079
<v Speaker 1>steep narley hills. I would bet neither of the husband

829
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:05.760
<v Speaker 1>or wife ever went up one of these hills. And

830
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm saying, if these things exist, they're really smart.

831
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:13.039
<v Speaker 1>There's not a lot of them, and they're very wary.

832
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:15.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're just going to be like strolling

833
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:19.280
<v Speaker 1>through people's you know, backyards. Well, you know, the best

834
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.119
<v Speaker 1>thing is, if you're ever up there, I totally recommend

835
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:24.880
<v Speaker 1>and tell you exactly where this hill is to give

836
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:28.719
<v Speaker 1>a little better idea of just how dense and steep

837
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:32.519
<v Speaker 1>it is. It was. I remember as we started up

838
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the hill, I was saying, God, you know. And another

839
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:36.199
<v Speaker 1>thing with this is as we went up, there was

840
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:38.199
<v Speaker 1>no evidence anybody else had ever been up the sill,

841
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean recently, there was no there was no litter,

842
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:45.480
<v Speaker 1>there was no human footprints there. It was just it's

843
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:47.719
<v Speaker 1>just like, what a pain of the ass to go

844
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:51.400
<v Speaker 1>up this thing. But again, the reason we were going

845
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:55.159
<v Speaker 1>up was because allegedly two kids at the base of

846
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the sill a few weeks later I supposedly seen one

847
00:45:57.960 --> 00:45:58.400
<v Speaker 1>of these sings.

848
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:01.400
<v Speaker 4>So, you know, well, it's interesting.

849
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:03.480
<v Speaker 6>Let me fill up on that because you sort of

850
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:07.440
<v Speaker 6>brought up an interesting point about about about sightings, because

851
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.639
<v Speaker 6>there seems to be a sort of profound contradiction in

852
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:12.679
<v Speaker 6>a lot of the bigfoot literature and the proponents.

853
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:14.199
<v Speaker 4>On one hand, they.

854
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:18.440
<v Speaker 6>Say that that bigfoot are very rare, and they're very shy,

855
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.159
<v Speaker 6>and they're almost never seen, they're very elusive, and they

856
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:23.320
<v Speaker 6>travel at night, and they're nocturnal and and this and that,

857
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:27.400
<v Speaker 6>and so that they use that as a reason why

858
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:29.800
<v Speaker 6>there are so few sightings. But on the other hand,

859
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:32.880
<v Speaker 6>if you look at it, they're actually reported in in

860
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:36.199
<v Speaker 6>in uh, They're reported all over the place. They're reported

861
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:39.079
<v Speaker 6>in you know, all throughout North America. They're imported in

862
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:41.679
<v Speaker 6>virtually every state, I think, so that maybe Hawaii and

863
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 6>there may be one there. They're reported in Pennsylvania, they're

864
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:49.360
<v Speaker 6>reported in New Jersey. So on one hand, you know,

865
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:51.559
<v Speaker 6>the argument is, well, these things are very lusive, that's

866
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:54.000
<v Speaker 6>why they're rarely seen. But on the other hand, then

867
00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:57.360
<v Speaker 6>you have to explain why are they regularly seen and photograph?

868
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, well, see, actually, I think and if you listen

869
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:03.480
<v Speaker 1>to that Bigfoot show who we last recorded together, I

870
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:07.000
<v Speaker 1>actually a lot of skeptical arguments I think have a

871
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.719
<v Speaker 1>lot of that validity. But that particular argument you just made,

872
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I think is actually one of the weakest. And I'll

873
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:13.159
<v Speaker 1>tell you why I think it is.

874
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.559
<v Speaker 6>Well, I wasn't. I wasn't I wasn't making an argument.

875
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:18.800
<v Speaker 6>I I was just trying to understand the contradiction.

876
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, well, I just think this. I think that Well, well,

877
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:26.159
<v Speaker 1>people say there's a bunch of I and I said

878
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:28.840
<v Speaker 1>this at the beginning of the broadcast, is that or

879
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:33.079
<v Speaker 1>the podcast Rather that I think there's a healthy. If

880
00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:38.800
<v Speaker 1>not a majority of sightings are misinterpretations, hallucinations or pure bs,

881
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:41.760
<v Speaker 1>that would not surprise me at all. But to say,

882
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:45.800
<v Speaker 1>if if that, let's say, like I mentioned earlier, I'm

883
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:48.320
<v Speaker 1>not sure whether or not or whether I believe or

884
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:51.440
<v Speaker 1>it's worthy of further investigation in areas of the east

885
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:55.159
<v Speaker 1>to further that, because if there's a lot of sightings elsewhere,

886
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:58.400
<v Speaker 1>therefore it's it's an either or proposition. Why is it

887
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:01.840
<v Speaker 1>impossible that there could be a lot of actually valid

888
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:05.559
<v Speaker 1>sightings that say, in the Pacific northwest and heavy heavy

889
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:10.599
<v Speaker 1>bullet quotient in the southeast. That's the cultural reasons. Why

890
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:11.800
<v Speaker 1>why is that impossible?

891
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:12.039
<v Speaker 3>Right?

892
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:13.960
<v Speaker 2>That's the one percent argument where you get a lot

893
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.880
<v Speaker 2>in ghost hunting that ninety nine percent of them are crapped,

894
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.199
<v Speaker 2>and then there's one percent that are mysterious and real

895
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.360
<v Speaker 2>and worth investigating. And I don't know, I mean, the

896
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:26.519
<v Speaker 2>the the thing is like you've got this scale of

897
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:30.719
<v Speaker 2>people who are let's say one hundred percent credulous regarding

898
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:35.079
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot and then very skeptical regarding Bigfoot, and the people

899
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:38.320
<v Speaker 2>who clicked data. Let's just say the BFRO for example,

900
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:42.079
<v Speaker 2>they have they had their database of sightings and they

901
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.119
<v Speaker 2>classify them by it was ABC and D if I

902
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:48.159
<v Speaker 2>remember correctly, So you know, most of them are not

903
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:50.800
<v Speaker 2>your class A. I saw a big foot, it was Harry,

904
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.119
<v Speaker 2>It was five feet away and I got a good

905
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.280
<v Speaker 2>look at it. You know, the majority of them are

906
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:56.599
<v Speaker 2>I saw something fur in the woods, or I heard

907
00:48:56.719 --> 00:49:00.280
<v Speaker 2>something right, you know, and or I remember the thing

908
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:01.719
<v Speaker 2>that happened to me when I was a kid, and

909
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:04.440
<v Speaker 2>all those things. You know, maybe they may be true

910
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:08.039
<v Speaker 2>to those people, but that doesn't make them particularly compelling.

911
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Dude, I completely agree with you. I think the BFRO well,

912
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:15.639
<v Speaker 1>I've known Matt for many years, Matt Moneymaker, the who

913
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:18.159
<v Speaker 1>in really a lot of ways is the bfr O,

914
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:21.119
<v Speaker 1>because any decision that's made goes through Matt and all that.

915
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:24.199
<v Speaker 1>And I think Matt is a genuine believer, but he's

916
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:26.840
<v Speaker 1>got such a big dose of hype in his soul.

917
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:32.639
<v Speaker 1>For I think he takes the route of what by

918
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:35.440
<v Speaker 1>whatever means possible or the end justifies the means. And

919
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I think that's horrific. Not only is it wrong, it's

920
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:43.760
<v Speaker 1>also completely anti scientific. Yes, everything does count, how can you,

921
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, every one of their freaking expeditions, someone oh,

922
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:49.199
<v Speaker 1>we heard knocking, we heard there were rocks thrown at us.

923
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you you start with the assumption that there

924
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.199
<v Speaker 1>are some of these things, the odds of the astronomical,

925
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:57.199
<v Speaker 1>that every one of these things, every one of these

926
00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:01.559
<v Speaker 1>expeditions would would have something like this happened. So you know,

927
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:06.840
<v Speaker 1>we share a general belief in it. But the science applied,

928
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I think in the BFO and then the the Goal,

929
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:14.559
<v Speaker 1>the only scientific group investigated it. I mean, it's so funny.

930
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:16.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they have to be joking. But you know,

931
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:19.039
<v Speaker 1>if you've got someone like Bobo and your team, you've

932
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:20.639
<v Speaker 1>got to be taken seriously, right.

933
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:25.920
<v Speaker 2>H Yeah, I think because he is the living Bigfoot scale.

934
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:29.960
<v Speaker 1>So can I ask you guys a quick question? Sure?

935
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:34.360
<v Speaker 1>As as skeptics. So, I mean, when you hear someone like, well,

936
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:37.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Jane Goodall say that she thinks these

937
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:39.800
<v Speaker 1>things probably exist, what do you say to that?

938
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, now you will be amazed when I tell you

939
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:44.559
<v Speaker 2>that I'm sure that they exist.

940
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:45.719
<v Speaker 4>You are, yeah?

941
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Did you always have this belief that they're that they

942
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:48.880
<v Speaker 1>that they exist?

943
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:53.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist. Oh,

944
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:55.760
<v Speaker 2>actually I love that quote she gave. But She also

945
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:57.920
<v Speaker 2>goes on to say that she hopes they exist. I mean,

946
00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.880
<v Speaker 2>but that that'sither she believes or not. Doesn't put a

947
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:02.679
<v Speaker 2>body on the slab.

948
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely absolutely, I'm just saying as someone as as someone

949
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:10.199
<v Speaker 1>who is I think rightly deemed an expert in primatology.

950
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:13.079
<v Speaker 1>And she comes out, in fact her first words, if

951
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:17.079
<v Speaker 1>you remember, which was actually very unscientific in that NPR interview,

952
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:19.960
<v Speaker 1>she goes, I'm sure that they exist, and then you

953
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:25.639
<v Speaker 1>could almost hear the wheels in her head. Wait a minute, All,

954
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:28.559
<v Speaker 1>I just admitted I think there's something to this phenomena,

955
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:30.679
<v Speaker 1>and then she backpedaled to a position of probability.

956
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:33.920
<v Speaker 6>But oh, go ahead, No, I was just saying, I mean,

957
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:38.679
<v Speaker 6>I I'm frankly not that impressed with that quote for

958
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.880
<v Speaker 6>a couple reasons. Number one, again, if you if you

959
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:45.639
<v Speaker 6>begin with the premise that you're sure they exist, then okay,

960
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:50.960
<v Speaker 6>I mean you, you're welcome to your opinion. The disconnect

961
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:54.400
<v Speaker 6>that I see is that Bigfoot is not known to exist,

962
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:57.639
<v Speaker 6>It's not even known to be a primate. I don't

963
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:04.199
<v Speaker 6>question doctor Goodall's expertise and her knowledge in primates and

964
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:08.159
<v Speaker 6>little and guerrillas. I would question her knowledge and expertise

965
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:12.440
<v Speaker 6>in bigfoot research, and I witnessed testimony and psychology and

966
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:14.119
<v Speaker 6>all the things that go into it.

967
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:17.440
<v Speaker 2>I would say that I know she doesn't believe in them.

968
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:20.559
<v Speaker 2>And here's why, because she's still in Africa looking at gorillas.

969
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:23.280
<v Speaker 1>She's like seventy two.

970
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:28.719
<v Speaker 2>In the United States, and she knew it for real,

971
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:30.400
<v Speaker 2>she'd be there looking at them.

972
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:33.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, seriously, that's that's an assumption. Come on, man,

973
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:40.559
<v Speaker 1>She's got all these other things shell but here's a

974
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:46.239
<v Speaker 1>who knows how secretive, how smart higher primates are, and

975
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:49.039
<v Speaker 1>she probably is gone. In fact, she says in the interview,

976
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.880
<v Speaker 1>she's interviewed Native Americans, not speaking from her perspective anyway,

977
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:56.039
<v Speaker 1>not from a mythological point of view, but from other

978
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:59.519
<v Speaker 1>people who've heard the streams, have had alleged direct encounter.

979
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:04.199
<v Speaker 1>And if you go to those areas, she at all

980
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.880
<v Speaker 1>because I am her agent, Apparently she knows how relatively

981
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:11.000
<v Speaker 1>easy it would be for these things to remain undetective.

982
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Not that that that you know, we can just go

983
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:15.960
<v Speaker 1>in and oh, you know, you hear people go, I

984
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:18.000
<v Speaker 1>want to be satellite to be seeing them. And I mean,

985
00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:21.079
<v Speaker 1>these are just such lame arguments you know, like it.

986
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:26.920
<v Speaker 1>It somewhat surprises me somewhat that a body hasn't been

987
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:30.639
<v Speaker 1>found yet, but not to the point where it overrides

988
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:36.159
<v Speaker 1>the sheer volume of eyewitness accounts. I think there's I

989
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:39.480
<v Speaker 1>think there's too many to ignore it, and and finally,

990
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I have one living in my basement.

991
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:45.159
<v Speaker 6>So I just wanted to go, well, I again, I

992
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:47.840
<v Speaker 6>guess to my mind that the issue is that, you know,

993
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.039
<v Speaker 6>if if Bigfoot were known to be a primate, then

994
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:55.719
<v Speaker 6>a primatologist opinion on that is relevant. Bigfoot is not

995
00:53:55.800 --> 00:53:56.480
<v Speaker 6>known to be a prime.

996
00:53:56.880 --> 00:53:59.320
<v Speaker 1>But ben if you take the vast majority, the vast,

997
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:03.079
<v Speaker 1>if not all accounts, clearly, if these things exist, it's

998
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:06.760
<v Speaker 1>a primate. Based on the descriptions. It's up it's upright,

999
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:10.440
<v Speaker 1>it's covered in hair, it's manlike. Hence primate. Why would

1000
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:12.840
<v Speaker 1>you think it would be something else if it exists.

1001
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you're only taking the part that fits the primate.

1002
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:19.280
<v Speaker 2>There's other descriptions that have them being to get out

1003
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:21.199
<v Speaker 2>of a spaceship. Okay, right, well right, I'm just saying,

1004
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:25.039
<v Speaker 2>you get you're picking and choosing the descriptions that match

1005
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:27.239
<v Speaker 2>the primates, and then give me hold on.

1006
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Give me aspects Bigfoot sidings that are you know, generally

1007
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:33.920
<v Speaker 1>occur in Bigfoot sidings that are non private.

1008
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:37.519
<v Speaker 6>Well, there's a variety of them. But the question that

1009
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.239
<v Speaker 6>the point, the statement that I made was that Bigfoot

1010
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:41.400
<v Speaker 6>is not known to be a primate.

1011
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Do you just where you didn't answer my question? Give

1012
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.400
<v Speaker 1>me give me a couple of we're trying to you.

1013
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:46.920
<v Speaker 4>Never answered my question.

1014
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:47.880
<v Speaker 1>What was your question?

1015
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:49.760
<v Speaker 4>My question was?

1016
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:53.239
<v Speaker 6>I mean again the statement that you objected to what

1017
00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:55.000
<v Speaker 6>I said was that Bigfoot is not known to be

1018
00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:57.519
<v Speaker 6>a primate. As far as I know, that's a factual statement.

1019
00:54:57.679 --> 00:54:58.679
<v Speaker 6>Do you agree or disagree?

1020
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's not no to be, but based on a descriptions,

1021
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.960
<v Speaker 1>it stands the reason that it's probably a primate because

1022
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:10.760
<v Speaker 1>it needs descriptions of a primate.

1023
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:14.000
<v Speaker 6>I mean, that's fine, I mean, I I don't I

1024
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:17.119
<v Speaker 6>don't you know, I'm I'm not going to dispute that,

1025
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:20.639
<v Speaker 6>uh that many descriptions would suggest that it might be

1026
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:21.159
<v Speaker 6>a primate.

1027
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:22.119
<v Speaker 4>That that's not the question.

1028
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:25.800
<v Speaker 6>The question is is there a necessary link between a

1029
00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:30.599
<v Speaker 6>a primatologist opinion about Bigfoot and Bigfoot?

1030
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:34.719
<v Speaker 4>I see the same thing. Well, let let me let

1031
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:36.519
<v Speaker 4>me give you an example. I see the same thing.

1032
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:39.320
<v Speaker 6>And for example, ghost research where people tell me, well,

1033
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:41.639
<v Speaker 6>you know ghosts or ghosts, can you know they can

1034
00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:43.039
<v Speaker 6>matimplate lest manetic.

1035
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:46.760
<v Speaker 4>Fields because ghosts are energy? And my question is who

1036
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:48.039
<v Speaker 4>told you ghosts or energy?

1037
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:48.159
<v Speaker 1>What?

1038
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:51.119
<v Speaker 6>What what facts are you pointing to that you know

1039
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:53.360
<v Speaker 6>for a fact that ghosts are energy? And the answer

1040
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:55.519
<v Speaker 6>is there is no. And so if so, if you're gonna,

1041
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:58.840
<v Speaker 6>if you're going to assert some cert some some certainty

1042
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.559
<v Speaker 6>that Bigfoot is a primate, then my question to you

1043
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:04.119
<v Speaker 6>is how do you know? And if you if you

1044
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.039
<v Speaker 6>just want to say I don't know, it's speculation, then

1045
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:07.559
<v Speaker 6>that's fine.

1046
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:08.639
<v Speaker 4>I'll I'll agree with you.

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00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:10.760
<v Speaker 2>I think we've been if I could sum up for

1048
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:12.840
<v Speaker 2>ben if you correct me if I'm wrong. But I

1049
00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:16.519
<v Speaker 2>think you're saying it's kind of like saying dragons are reptiles. Yeah,

1050
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:18.320
<v Speaker 2>they look at the reptiles, but we don't really know

1051
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:20.320
<v Speaker 2>they're real animals. So it really doesn't matter.

1052
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So when back in the eighteen hundreds or whatever,

1053
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:26.719
<v Speaker 1>when people were reporting these man like beings on the

1054
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:29.960
<v Speaker 1>on the folk the volcanoes of Rwanda, and they were

1055
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:33.880
<v Speaker 1>describing them a primatology shouldn't have looked at that, right,

1056
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:35.280
<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't have even considered it.

1057
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:38.400
<v Speaker 2>No, No, you should look. I'm all for looking. I

1058
00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:40.519
<v Speaker 2>absolutely am for looking.

1059
00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:43.159
<v Speaker 1>We all agree on that. Yeah, right, So we just

1060
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:46.199
<v Speaker 1>differ on I think we know what we're different.

1061
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:48.559
<v Speaker 2>I think we differ on certainty spectacle that.

1062
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I get paid for being comedic about it.

1063
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:53.079
<v Speaker 2>Do you actually get paid for that? That's awesome?

1064
00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:56.239
<v Speaker 4>We don't get paid either, YEA, Like, what are you

1065
00:56:56.320 --> 00:56:57.840
<v Speaker 4>talking about that?

1066
00:56:58.039 --> 00:56:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I wish?

1067
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.440
<v Speaker 6>I think no, But but I guess my point was

1068
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:04.920
<v Speaker 6>that was that if we're gonna have these discussions, and

1069
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:06.840
<v Speaker 6>we're gonna have these debates, and we're if we're going

1070
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:10.400
<v Speaker 6>to move move forward towards understanding these things, we need

1071
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:12.719
<v Speaker 6>to be very clear about what things were saying are

1072
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:16.039
<v Speaker 6>facts and what things we're saying are actually speculation and theory.

1073
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:18.079
<v Speaker 6>And as long as long as everybody is on the

1074
00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:20.280
<v Speaker 6>same page, and as long as everyone admits, because I

1075
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:22.320
<v Speaker 6>can tell you how often you know, well, they found a.

1076
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:24.440
<v Speaker 4>Big foot hair, what do you mean they found it?

1077
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:27.239
<v Speaker 4>They did not find a big foot hair. They found

1078
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:29.880
<v Speaker 4>a hair that someone claimed was a bigfoot. That is

1079
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:31.920
<v Speaker 4>not the same as claim we found a bigfoot hair.

1080
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I'm just saying that it's back to the

1081
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:39.480
<v Speaker 1>good old thing. If you're going to investigate an animal

1082
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:42.960
<v Speaker 1>that possibly exists and the vast, if not all, of

1083
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:46.360
<v Speaker 1>the side of the characteristics attributed to it fit a

1084
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:50.119
<v Speaker 1>certain type of animal, and then you which clearly I

1085
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:53.039
<v Speaker 1>mean in this case, points to a primate. I mean

1086
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:58.880
<v Speaker 1>it's if, if speculatively, then when someone who is in

1087
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:00.960
<v Speaker 1>that field, who is an expert, which I think you

1088
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:04.440
<v Speaker 1>would agree Jane Goodall is and she says they probably exist,

1089
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm just curious what you guys thought about.

1090
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:10.079
<v Speaker 4>It, and you've I think she's welcome to her opinion,

1091
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:11.679
<v Speaker 4>and that's fine.

1092
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:15.719
<v Speaker 2>She she does say in the end that she maybe

1093
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:17.880
<v Speaker 2>they don't exist, but she wants them to, right.

1094
00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:20.119
<v Speaker 1>That's true. She did say that too, but she but

1095
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:23.599
<v Speaker 1>in the body of what she says, it's clear that

1096
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:24.880
<v Speaker 1>she thinks they probably.

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00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:25.199
<v Speaker 5>Oh it is.

1098
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:27.079
<v Speaker 2>It is clear that she's read a lot about them,

1099
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and what she's read has been compelling to her.

1100
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<v Speaker 6>I would I would, I would actually be interested to

1101
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:34.679
<v Speaker 6>find out what of these skeptical arguments she's read. I

1102
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:36.960
<v Speaker 6>don't doubt that she's heard of bigfoot, and I don't

1103
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:39.079
<v Speaker 6>doubt that she knows something about it. I would I

1104
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:42.039
<v Speaker 6>would suggest you that probably I and Blake and you

1105
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.559
<v Speaker 6>and probably your listeners have probably read more about bigfoot

1106
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:46.039
<v Speaker 6>than she has.

1107
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:47.360
<v Speaker 4>Bet I could be wrong.

1108
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.719
<v Speaker 6>I could be wrong, but my guess is that that

1109
00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:55.079
<v Speaker 6>she doesn't spend her time researching bigfoot in evidence and reports,

1110
00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:56.199
<v Speaker 6>but would also.

1111
00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:58.519
<v Speaker 1>Standard reason she's also been in areas where these things

1112
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:00.920
<v Speaker 1>allegedly exist a hell of a lot more than any

1113
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:03.239
<v Speaker 1>of us have, and is therefore in a better position

1114
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:06.400
<v Speaker 1>to glean whether or not the probability of such things

1115
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:10.199
<v Speaker 1>existing without being found by us could be well.

1116
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:12.519
<v Speaker 2>I would say that even if she came out and

1117
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:15.840
<v Speaker 2>said she saw a bigfoot, it's still you know, that's

1118
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:17.199
<v Speaker 2>an anecdote and it's an argument.

1119
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:20.039
<v Speaker 1>You no, that's true. I mean, I would agree. I mean, look,

1120
00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:22.800
<v Speaker 1>we are totally as far as look part.

1121
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:23.800
<v Speaker 4>And I don't want to get caught up in this.

1122
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:25.840
<v Speaker 2>I really called you to talk about the Bigfoot show.

1123
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:30.960
<v Speaker 4>Let's talk about bones and bodies show man.

1124
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:33.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, could we have five people on it

1125
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:35.159
<v Speaker 1>once or one of you guys should come on the

1126
00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot show man. I think that would be would be

1127
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:40.320
<v Speaker 1>awesome because there is I mean where we I think

1128
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:42.880
<v Speaker 1>really strongly agree on a lot of points. Is that

1129
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:46.599
<v Speaker 1>there is just so much horrible science in relation to

1130
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:49.280
<v Speaker 1>this phenomena. It's a lot of fun. There's so many

1131
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:53.000
<v Speaker 1>different dimensions to Bigfoot. There's the goofy kitchy aspect, there

1132
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:55.840
<v Speaker 1>is the anthropological, there's the mythological, and it just so

1133
00:59:57.039 --> 01:00:01.000
<v Speaker 1>easily stuff you know TV shows that are just friggin

1134
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:04.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, finding Bigfoot. I mean it's just it's it's

1135
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:09.800
<v Speaker 1>just laughable. So I anyway, I'm sorry, I'm rambling. It's okay, Well,

1136
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:10.320
<v Speaker 1>let me.

1137
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:13.280
<v Speaker 6>Let me ask you something I've I've been I've been

1138
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.760
<v Speaker 6>wondering for a while now, and this is this is

1139
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:19.119
<v Speaker 6>a it's sort of philosophical argument, but it's also a

1140
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:23.039
<v Speaker 6>very very very germane to Bigfoot, and that is that

1141
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:27.760
<v Speaker 6>the quality of the photographic evidence and the very evidence

1142
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:31.199
<v Speaker 6>for Bigfoot has not gotten any better. These days, everybody

1143
01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:33.800
<v Speaker 6>has a five megapixel HD camera in their pockets with

1144
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:37.880
<v Speaker 6>their iPhones, and at no time in history have so

1145
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:40.840
<v Speaker 6>many people had so had high quality cameras on them

1146
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:45.400
<v Speaker 6>virtually all the time. And and if you look at

1147
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:50.079
<v Speaker 6>the history photography over the past decades, uh photographs of

1148
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:54.880
<v Speaker 6>everything just about everything have gotten better. Photographs of sunsets,

1149
01:00:55.000 --> 01:01:00.719
<v Speaker 6>of of people, of animals, of the earth. There, all

1150
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.519
<v Speaker 6>of those things that the the objective quality of the

1151
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:08.599
<v Speaker 6>photographs and the information in those photographs has dramatically improved

1152
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:12.199
<v Speaker 6>in the last twenty thirty forty fifty years. The sole

1153
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:16.480
<v Speaker 6>exceptions are things such as bigfoot. The quality of bigfoot

1154
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:21.280
<v Speaker 6>photographs and evidence has has not improved, as is glaringly

1155
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:25.639
<v Speaker 6>not improved. Certainly, certainly, you know if they're still pointing

1156
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:28.679
<v Speaker 6>to the Patterson Gimlin film from nineteen sixty seven, back

1157
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:30.679
<v Speaker 6>when Lyndon Johnson was president.

1158
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:33.599
<v Speaker 4>So I'm trying to figure out why, why is that?

1159
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:34.000
<v Speaker 3>Why?

1160
01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:37.000
<v Speaker 6>Why in the world would it be that if these

1161
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:40.079
<v Speaker 6>if these creatures are out there and they're really seeing,

1162
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:42.519
<v Speaker 6>you know, on a very regular basis, depanging where you are.

1163
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:44.039
<v Speaker 6>And again you can say some of them are you

1164
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:47.519
<v Speaker 6>mistakes or hoax that that's fine. But but assuming that

1165
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:50.880
<v Speaker 6>these creatures actually are out there, why in the world

1166
01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:54.119
<v Speaker 6>would it be that that bigfoot are one of the

1167
01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:57.039
<v Speaker 6>very few things in the entire world for which the

1168
01:01:57.159 --> 01:01:59.360
<v Speaker 6>quality of photographs of them does not improve.

1169
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Well. First of all, though technology exits or improves via

1170
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:09.800
<v Speaker 1>camera if an animal is relatively small in nature secretive

1171
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.880
<v Speaker 1>to begin with, if it's that doesn't mean you're necessarily

1172
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.039
<v Speaker 1>going to be getting better pictures of it.

1173
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:17.079
<v Speaker 4>I mean I would disagree.

1174
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:20.239
<v Speaker 6>I would challenge you to find me to name me

1175
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:23.159
<v Speaker 6>a single animal that is known to humans for which

1176
01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:25.679
<v Speaker 6>the quality of the photographs have not improved.

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01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, but that's like yeah, because they know they

1178
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:31.039
<v Speaker 1>exist and they found the ways to get close to them.

1179
01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:34.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean that these things exist, I think it's safe

1180
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:37.840
<v Speaker 1>to stay based on observations of them. I mean, I

1181
01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:42.559
<v Speaker 1>personally think that these things are more proto human, therefore

1182
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.639
<v Speaker 1>very smart, small in number. I kind of agree somewhat

1183
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:49.639
<v Speaker 1>with Krantz's speculation that old sway that if for every

1184
01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:53.880
<v Speaker 1>hundred bears whose brains are about the size of water walnut,

1185
01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:57.159
<v Speaker 1>maybe a little bigger, there's probably one of these things,

1186
01:02:57.239 --> 01:02:59.960
<v Speaker 1>if not less than that. So we're talking about something

1187
01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:03.280
<v Speaker 1>which also may and again it's anything to do with bigfoot.

1188
01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Apart from hard physical evidence, it's going to be speculative obviously,

1189
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:13.039
<v Speaker 1>Although I would disagree with you on anecdotal evidence. I mean,

1190
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:15.719
<v Speaker 1>it is evidence, it is the weakkeest, but the load

1191
01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:19.480
<v Speaker 1>of it, I think anyway, Sorry, is this a clean show?

1192
01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:20.400
<v Speaker 2>No?

1193
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:23.440
<v Speaker 6>No, no, no, I didn't actually say anything about anecdotal evidence.

1194
01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:25.480
<v Speaker 6>I'm just trying to figure out what your explanation is

1195
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:28.440
<v Speaker 6>for why the photographic evidence for Bigfoot has.

1196
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Not But it also assumes is though. You know, if

1197
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:33.320
<v Speaker 1>you're walking around, no matter how good the camera is,

1198
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:36.760
<v Speaker 1>to get it to shoot, to be ready when you actually,

1199
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:40.360
<v Speaker 1>let's say, see something that's incredibly rare, probably on average

1200
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:43.840
<v Speaker 1>for your average person, takes at least ten seconds at least.

1201
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:47.920
<v Speaker 1>People aren't walking around with headcams and they don't have

1202
01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:49.880
<v Speaker 1>them mounted, although there are those things that have the

1203
01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:52.320
<v Speaker 1>infrared stuff on the car, although that still wouldn't hold

1204
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:55.320
<v Speaker 1>up as far as evidence, because if they exist, they're

1205
01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:59.239
<v Speaker 1>very obviously bipedal, and how could you say it's not

1206
01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:03.800
<v Speaker 1>a guy in a suit, So they're wary. If they're

1207
01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:07.400
<v Speaker 1>if they're real, they're very wary, don't hang along around

1208
01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:09.199
<v Speaker 1>for a long time. So I just assume somebody can

1209
01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:11.480
<v Speaker 1>get one out take a picture. And even if they did,

1210
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:15.239
<v Speaker 1>I think we'd still agree photographic evidence is not going

1211
01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:18.039
<v Speaker 1>to be verification. Like you guys said earlier in the show,

1212
01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:21.760
<v Speaker 1>it's body or a part of body, or strong DNA.

1213
01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:25.480
<v Speaker 6>Right, No, I I I wouldn't disagree that the you know,

1214
01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:28.280
<v Speaker 6>I would never suggest that a photograph of Bigfoot is

1215
01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:32.800
<v Speaker 6>going to be hard evidence. I'm just But the fact

1216
01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:34.960
<v Speaker 6>of the matter is that you can point to dozens,

1217
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:38.760
<v Speaker 6>if not hundreds of alleged Bigfoot photographs, and again, they

1218
01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:41.199
<v Speaker 6>don't improve over time. They have not gotten any better,

1219
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:45.400
<v Speaker 6>despite advances in technology, despite more people having cameras on them.

1220
01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:49.119
<v Speaker 4>You name it. So again, I'm I'm not.

1221
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not.

1222
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:50.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm not trying to I'm not trying to badger you,

1223
01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:53.079
<v Speaker 4>but I answer.

1224
01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I just want to answer. I Actually, I think I

1225
01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:58.039
<v Speaker 1>think it's safe to say that again, well, we would

1226
01:04:58.039 --> 01:05:01.639
<v Speaker 1>agree that a percentage I think probably you think a

1227
01:05:01.719 --> 01:05:05.239
<v Speaker 1>lot higher percentage than me, But we both say it's

1228
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:10.280
<v Speaker 1>a fair statement that a large percentage of sightings or misinterpretation, hoax,

1229
01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:14.000
<v Speaker 1>perhaps even hallucination. So let's say these things are out there,

1230
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:17.039
<v Speaker 1>a small percentage of a smaller percentage of these things

1231
01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:21.119
<v Speaker 1>are let's assume actual. So someone where would they actually

1232
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:25.679
<v Speaker 1>then see them? Well, I think, based on personal experience

1233
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:29.280
<v Speaker 1>and having been in these places, a lot of it's

1234
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:33.599
<v Speaker 1>going to be in harder to reach places. The ones

1235
01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:35.199
<v Speaker 1>that tend to be well, I saw them there, I

1236
01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:37.719
<v Speaker 1>saw them. You know, they might cross a road at night.

1237
01:05:37.760 --> 01:05:40.239
<v Speaker 1>In fact, according to Green's book, that's the most common

1238
01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:42.639
<v Speaker 1>is that is the one crossing a road at night.

1239
01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:45.280
<v Speaker 1>But who's got their camera? However good it is ready

1240
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.559
<v Speaker 1>to roll at that point. These things don't hang around.

1241
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:51.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're not like what you know. Again, if

1242
01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:54.199
<v Speaker 1>it's true, they're not sitting around waiting for the photo

1243
01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:57.000
<v Speaker 1>to be taken. Maybe there's maybe there's a genetic basis

1244
01:05:57.039 --> 01:06:02.800
<v Speaker 1>why they're so elusive in regards to us. I mean

1245
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:04.679
<v Speaker 1>I would, in fact go ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not disputing that they can be elusive and whatever else.

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01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:10.480
<v Speaker 6>I'm just saying that all other factors being equal, whether

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01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:12.800
<v Speaker 6>it's you know, in twenty eleven or nineteen seventy four,

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01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:15.760
<v Speaker 6>people are still hiking in the wilderness, people are still

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01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:19.079
<v Speaker 6>driving on freeways, that all other factors being equal, you

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01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:23.400
<v Speaker 6>would expect it's logical to assume that the quality of

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01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:27.639
<v Speaker 6>the photographs and video evidence would dramatically improve, if not

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01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:30.480
<v Speaker 6>improve somewhat, And yet that doesn't seem to be the case.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all right, but it's still kind of a paradox though,

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01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:35.079
<v Speaker 1>because what does it matter since it's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be it's not going to be worth the evidence anyway.

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01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:41.440
<v Speaker 6>But logically whether or not it would be considered definitive

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01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:44.679
<v Speaker 6>evidence is not relevant to whether or not there should

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01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:47.159
<v Speaker 6>be increasingly good photographs.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you can see a lot of them. To go

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01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:53.400
<v Speaker 1>to YouTube. There's tons of shots of Bigfoot on there.

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01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:56.119
<v Speaker 4>Maybe it obviously hopes, is what right?

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01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:59.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean bet, it's almost like Okay, let's say, like tomorrow,

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01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:02.639
<v Speaker 1>a guy with a totally strong HD camera got one.

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01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Let's say he got one on camera and it, unbeknownst

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01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:06.920
<v Speaker 1>to us because we wouldn't be able to verify it anyway,

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01:07:07.239 --> 01:07:09.159
<v Speaker 1>was actually a sasquatch and it was shown to you.

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01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:11.400
<v Speaker 1>What would be your response, Well, it's only a photograph.

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01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:12.039
<v Speaker 1>It's not proof.

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<v Speaker 4>No no, no, no, no no no.

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<v Speaker 6>In fact, that's that's not true at all. It would

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<v Speaker 6>depend on the photograph. I mean, I would I would

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<v Speaker 6>love to find Oh absolutely, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you I don't. I don't see how any pure

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01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:27.840
<v Speaker 1>reviewed group would take a still photograph as verification that

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01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:28.679
<v Speaker 1>these animals exist.

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<v Speaker 6>No, My point is that I would not reject a

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01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:34.159
<v Speaker 6>photograph at all. I would, I would, I would love

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01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:36.440
<v Speaker 6>to see any and all evidence that people bring forth.

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01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:39.480
<v Speaker 4>Whether it's photographs, I don't care. I want to see

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01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:40.000
<v Speaker 4>the evidence.

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01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:42.559
<v Speaker 1>So what would well hold on? What would be then

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01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:45.159
<v Speaker 1>a still photograph? What would have to be the characteristics

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01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:48.159
<v Speaker 1>of the still photograph that you could conclusively deduced was

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01:07:48.199 --> 01:07:52.800
<v Speaker 1>not photoshopped that would serve as strong evidence that bigfoot exists.

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01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:54.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm not following your question.

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01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:57.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, you're saying that you wouldn't rule out a photograph,

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01:07:57.239 --> 01:07:59.800
<v Speaker 1>So I'm asking you what are the characteristics that would

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01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:02.559
<v Speaker 1>have to be in that photograph that would be strong

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01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:04.800
<v Speaker 1>evidence for you that it's a big foot?

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01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:06.960
<v Speaker 4>Oh well, well I couldn't.

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01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:08.800
<v Speaker 6>I couldn't certainly couldn't prove that it's a big foot

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01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:10.880
<v Speaker 6>as opposed to something else. So that the question would be,

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01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:13.679
<v Speaker 6>you know, is it a photograph of ann known animal?

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01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:16.279
<v Speaker 6>What are the other you know, what are some of

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01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:20.199
<v Speaker 6>the other photographs taken the series? Is their forensic evidence

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01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:21.079
<v Speaker 6>that we can go to?

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01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:23.920
<v Speaker 4>Is it clear? Is it another blob squadch?

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01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:24.279
<v Speaker 1>You know?

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01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:24.720
<v Speaker 4>Is it?

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<v Speaker 6>Can we see actual details? I mean, this is the

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01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:29.960
<v Speaker 6>problem is that is it? These These are exactly the

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01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:33.119
<v Speaker 6>sorts of photographs and videos that are not emerging, and

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01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:35.520
<v Speaker 6>they they have never emerged, and this is this is

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01:08:35.560 --> 01:08:36.359
<v Speaker 6>one of the problems.

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01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, I I, well, I don't know. I kind of

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01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:42.800
<v Speaker 1>get your point, and I but I don't think it's

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01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:45.279
<v Speaker 1>that I don't know. I don't think it's because it's

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01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:48.199
<v Speaker 1>not gonna ultimately matter. The only thing I think that

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01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:53.399
<v Speaker 1>could because especially with Hollywood costuming today CG capabilities photoshopping.

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01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:58.000
<v Speaker 1>To me, the only bit of video that I think

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01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:02.640
<v Speaker 1>that could actually make a really strong impact in the

1313
01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:06.399
<v Speaker 1>scientific community, and again assuming they could rule out manipulation

1314
01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:09.039
<v Speaker 1>of the video, would be if somehow you had a

1315
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:13.199
<v Speaker 1>stationary camera and this object, which was clearly meant the

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01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:16.439
<v Speaker 1>average description of what people reporting as being a big foot,

1317
01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:20.039
<v Speaker 1>you could and have to be a stationary camera to

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01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:22.239
<v Speaker 1>deduce that it moved from point A to point B

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01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:25.399
<v Speaker 1>at a speed which humans have not been able to

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01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:25.800
<v Speaker 1>do yet.

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01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:31.600
<v Speaker 6>Well, there's actually well, there's actually another thing, which is size.

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01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:32.439
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:34.680
<v Speaker 6>One of the big red flags to me for the

1324
01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:38.560
<v Speaker 6>Patterson Gimlan film is that the bigfoot or guy in Issu,

1325
01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:43.199
<v Speaker 6>depending on which position you take, is human size. Now,

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01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:46.680
<v Speaker 6>but hold on here, if if if it were clear

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01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:49.520
<v Speaker 6>and it could be determined that that bigfoot is twelve

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01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:53.720
<v Speaker 6>or fourteen feet high. That to me would be again

1329
01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:56.880
<v Speaker 6>this thing you could rule that it wasn't photoshopped. That

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01:09:57.039 --> 01:10:00.159
<v Speaker 6>to me is very very compelling evidence that is is

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01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:02.199
<v Speaker 6>in fact a bigfoot or certainly something that people are

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01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:04.920
<v Speaker 6>calling hi bigfoot. So there is to answer your question,

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01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:08.760
<v Speaker 6>there is definitely some criterion that I would apply to

1334
01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:12.439
<v Speaker 6>bigfoot photos and videos if they can be authenticated, that

1335
01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:14.720
<v Speaker 6>that would definitely point that direction.

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01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, but I would agree with you too as

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01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:20.199
<v Speaker 1>far as the corroborative, like if there was this although

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01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:22.600
<v Speaker 1>it gets like the whole like for example, the Patterson

1339
01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:26.159
<v Speaker 1>film stuff, people talk about these these measurements, well, you know,

1340
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:28.319
<v Speaker 1>and they're basing it. There was no tape measure there.

1341
01:10:28.359 --> 01:10:30.880
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a lap. So when they're using these, well

1342
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:33.039
<v Speaker 1>Bob Gimlin says it was one hundred feet away. They

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01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:36.000
<v Speaker 1>use that, and then they deduce that it's like seven

1344
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:39.000
<v Speaker 1>feet three and it's just it's it's it's not, I

1345
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:40.760
<v Speaker 1>mean it's not it could be one hundred feet away,

1346
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:44.600
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's guesswork. There was no measuring tape out.

1347
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I think Daigling does a great job in Bigfoot Exposed

1348
01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:52.800
<v Speaker 1>making that argument and again, it goes personally as someone

1349
01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:56.680
<v Speaker 1>who works with video and filmed, just that as far

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01:10:56.720 --> 01:11:00.119
<v Speaker 1>as being proof, it's never going to get the job on.

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01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:03.039
<v Speaker 1>And then to add even an otter fact, I'm actually

1352
01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:05.680
<v Speaker 1>against killing one. So I'm in a quandary here. Dammit,

1353
01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:06.479
<v Speaker 1>we need to find it.

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01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:10.319
<v Speaker 2>What do you think the most compelling evidence for bigfoot

1355
01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:12.399
<v Speaker 2>is currently currently to me.

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01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Is the sheer volume of the sidings, historical sidings and

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01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:19.319
<v Speaker 1>not going back to like Grendel and stuff in the

1358
01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:23.319
<v Speaker 1>Pacific Northwest. I find people I've talked to, the compellingness

1359
01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:28.279
<v Speaker 1>of them, the amount of footprints, although I'm fairly certain

1360
01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:30.479
<v Speaker 1>a good majority of those could in fact be faked.

1361
01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:36.079
<v Speaker 1>It's just I don't find a parallel phenomena. And again

1362
01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:37.479
<v Speaker 1>it's not something I don't put it in the same

1363
01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Roman's ghosts because we're dealing with something that's either part

1364
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:43.840
<v Speaker 1>of another dimension or I think what we're talking about here,

1365
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:48.920
<v Speaker 1>if it exists, is simply an unclassified primate. And when

1366
01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:52.079
<v Speaker 1>you take the areas supposedly they live in the amount

1367
01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:55.720
<v Speaker 1>of sidings. Having been up there, having talked the witnesses

1368
01:11:55.960 --> 01:12:02.880
<v Speaker 1>and the personal experience I had, I lean toward it strongly. Existing,

1369
01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:06.600
<v Speaker 1>probably existing. I do leave over the possible possibility that

1370
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.119
<v Speaker 1>it's all whoy, but I I find that a lot

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01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:14.600
<v Speaker 1>less probable, so that that's interesting.

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01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:17.960
<v Speaker 6>So so you're saying that the the most compelling evidence

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01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:20.760
<v Speaker 6>that you see for Brikfoot is the sidings, right, it's

1374
01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:25.399
<v Speaker 6>the volume of sidings. Okay, now what about what happened

1375
01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.560
<v Speaker 6>to me combined? Okay, all right, that's fine. So one

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01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:31.319
<v Speaker 6>thing that I find interesting about sidings, as as you know,

1377
01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:33.800
<v Speaker 6>as a I think you know from some of my stuff,

1378
01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:36.359
<v Speaker 6>is that you know I'm part of partly from my

1379
01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:38.800
<v Speaker 6>background in psychology, but also just from doing this a lot,

1380
01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:40.880
<v Speaker 6>is that I'm I'm not dis impressed.

1381
01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:41.920
<v Speaker 4>With with a lot of sightings. Theres a lot of

1382
01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:45.359
<v Speaker 4>people are you'redd, but but but.

1383
01:12:45.399 --> 01:12:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Here, but here.

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01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:50.000
<v Speaker 6>Here's what I find interesting is that if you look

1385
01:12:50.279 --> 01:12:52.720
<v Speaker 6>at sidings from an evidentiary point of view, that is,

1386
01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:55.279
<v Speaker 6>if if you look at what you know, what, what

1387
01:12:55.399 --> 01:12:57.359
<v Speaker 6>do we know about Bigfoot? Well the answer is we

1388
01:12:57.640 --> 01:13:01.439
<v Speaker 6>we do not know anything definitively about big anyway. But

1389
01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:07.479
<v Speaker 6>that being said, if you look at the evidentiary history

1390
01:13:07.479 --> 01:13:10.840
<v Speaker 6>of sightings in terms of what value has have historically

1391
01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:14.680
<v Speaker 6>have sightings given us what you find, and you might disagree,

1392
01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:17.880
<v Speaker 6>and I will ask about that is the answer is zero.

1393
01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:22.640
<v Speaker 6>One bigfoot sighting on some level is as good as

1394
01:13:22.840 --> 01:13:25.079
<v Speaker 6>a dozen or one hundred or a thousand big foot sightings.

1395
01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:28.079
<v Speaker 6>Because if you're simply talking about someone reporting and experience,

1396
01:13:28.479 --> 01:13:31.079
<v Speaker 6>I saw something, I saw something weird, I saw something

1397
01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:33.880
<v Speaker 6>I couldn't explain whatever else. I'm not saying that's true

1398
01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:36.279
<v Speaker 6>or not true, but I'm just saying that from an

1399
01:13:36.279 --> 01:13:39.319
<v Speaker 6>investigating point of view. You know, when I do these investigations,

1400
01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:41.800
<v Speaker 6>whether it's you know, big you know, whether it's Cuba

1401
01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:44.199
<v Speaker 6>Coabra sidings or ghost sightings or Bigfoot sightings or lake

1402
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:47.399
<v Speaker 6>monster sidings. At the end of the day, to my mind,

1403
01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:51.239
<v Speaker 6>in my investigations, they're only useful insofar as they lead

1404
01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:53.880
<v Speaker 6>to other evidence. You know, I saw bigfoot, and you

1405
01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:55.079
<v Speaker 6>know where did you see it?

1406
01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:55.279
<v Speaker 4>Well?

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01:13:55.279 --> 01:13:57.000
<v Speaker 6>I saw it here and look there's there's a track.

1408
01:13:57.560 --> 01:14:02.920
<v Speaker 6>But but the the the quality of sightings that that

1409
01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:06.680
<v Speaker 6>I've seen is is is incredibly poor and and frankly

1410
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:10.640
<v Speaker 6>universally poor. And so my question is is how how

1411
01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:12.960
<v Speaker 6>do you reconcile that? I mean, if if you're considering

1412
01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:15.640
<v Speaker 6>the volume of sightings as being the most compelling part

1413
01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:19.079
<v Speaker 6>of bigfoot evidence. Well then then then what what what

1414
01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:21.640
<v Speaker 6>what have these what have these sightings proven to us?

1415
01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:21.720
<v Speaker 3>What?

1416
01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:23.399
<v Speaker 4>What have these sightings demonstrated?

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01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, they haven't proven anything. I mean I think we

1418
01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:28.920
<v Speaker 1>we we agree with that, but it's the not just

1419
01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:31.840
<v Speaker 1>the sheer volume, but also people I've talked to directly

1420
01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:34.159
<v Speaker 1>that I find it hard to believe that they were

1421
01:14:34.199 --> 01:14:39.479
<v Speaker 1>misinterpreting something. Someone a guy uh In, for example, in

1422
01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:43.279
<v Speaker 1>western Pennsylvania, along with his wife, who struck me as

1423
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:48.039
<v Speaker 1>incredibly sane, no reason to be as me, that they

1424
01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:51.119
<v Speaker 1>saw one of these things literally within four feet of them.

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01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:54.000
<v Speaker 1>It was just compelling. I mean, it's obvious. I agree,

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01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:59.600
<v Speaker 1>it's not. It's not verification, uh scientific verification, but you know,

1427
01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:03.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean again, like I want to throw in with

1428
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:06.479
<v Speaker 1>this as well. I mean, the discovery of higher primates

1429
01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:10.079
<v Speaker 1>has always been a slow process. This doesn't obviously mean

1430
01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:12.479
<v Speaker 1>there is a sasquatch or such things as sasquatch, But

1431
01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:15.279
<v Speaker 1>it's not like, well they first heard stories about orangetic

1432
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:18.479
<v Speaker 1>yeah right, wild metaborneal bullshit blah blah blah. Took a

1433
01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:22.640
<v Speaker 1>long time. Same with mountain grillas until one jackass shot one.

1434
01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:26.479
<v Speaker 1>So it's I think we're talking about. I mean, when

1435
01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:29.800
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about the type of animal based on the descriptions,

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01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:34.239
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't surprise me this could go on for years

1437
01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:35.800
<v Speaker 1>and not be verified if in.

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01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:38.439
<v Speaker 6>Fact, and it's gone on for decades in fact, I mean,

1439
01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:39.800
<v Speaker 6>that's and that's that's when the.

1440
01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:42.319
<v Speaker 1>Story, the stories of mountain gerrillas went on for a

1441
01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:44.520
<v Speaker 1>couple of hundred years before there were stories about that,

1442
01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:46.039
<v Speaker 1>long before there was verification.

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01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:48.800
<v Speaker 6>Well right, except for the fact that the lowland mountain

1444
01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:52.079
<v Speaker 6>guerrillas in Rwanda and South Africa are very different than

1445
01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:54.640
<v Speaker 6>tall bipedal creatures north of that.

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01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:56.840
<v Speaker 1>You said, we don't know anything about it. How do

1447
01:15:56.880 --> 01:16:04.279
<v Speaker 1>you know they're that much different? Aha? No, I know.

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01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:06.399
<v Speaker 6>The point that I'm making is that is that the

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01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:11.359
<v Speaker 6>circumstances you're talking, you're comparing, you know, an animal that

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01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:14.920
<v Speaker 6>was you know in Central Africa, you know, one hundred

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01:16:14.920 --> 01:16:17.359
<v Speaker 6>and fifty two hundred years ago or longer, depending on

1452
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:18.760
<v Speaker 6>you know, when you want to start your age of

1453
01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:23.359
<v Speaker 6>exploration to an animal that is allegedly living in twenty eleven,

1454
01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:27.680
<v Speaker 6>you know, in the Pacific Northwest. These are very very

1455
01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:28.720
<v Speaker 6>different circumstances.

1456
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:31.680
<v Speaker 1>They're not. I would totally disagree with that. There's a

1457
01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:34.479
<v Speaker 1>hunt over one hundred and fifty thousand square miles of

1458
01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:37.880
<v Speaker 1>forested land in the Pacific Northwest and British Columbia. There's

1459
01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:41.640
<v Speaker 1>over one hundred and thirty five thousand miles of inland

1460
01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:44.800
<v Speaker 1>beaches that area. I really if you've never been up there,

1461
01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:47.760
<v Speaker 1>I assure you've been on some expeditions. But I talked

1462
01:16:47.800 --> 01:16:49.439
<v Speaker 1>to a I don't recall his name. I talked to

1463
01:16:49.479 --> 01:16:52.479
<v Speaker 1>a Canadian primatologist once at a zoo at the Calgary

1464
01:16:52.640 --> 01:16:56.319
<v Speaker 1>zo and I said, Okay, here's a hypothetical. You're a

1465
01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:59.119
<v Speaker 1>mad scientist and you're able to clone mountain girls, and

1466
01:16:59.159 --> 01:17:01.279
<v Speaker 1>again assuming for them that a mountain gorilla and a

1467
01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:05.359
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch or somewhat similar. Harry, we know gorillas exist. People

1468
01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:08.279
<v Speaker 1>are describing these things which are bipedal or whatever. But

1469
01:17:08.439 --> 01:17:13.000
<v Speaker 1>just as give me a little room here, and you

1470
01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:15.640
<v Speaker 1>clone the thousands of these a thousand of them, and

1471
01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:18.279
<v Speaker 1>then you parachuted them in safely in various areas of

1472
01:17:18.319 --> 01:17:21.079
<v Speaker 1>the Pacific Northwest. They were able to survive it. How

1473
01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:24.560
<v Speaker 1>often would you see them? And his response was, oh God,

1474
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:27.159
<v Speaker 1>you'd hardly ever see them. You might find a footprint

1475
01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:29.560
<v Speaker 1>every once in a while, but they're super smart, they're

1476
01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:33.840
<v Speaker 1>super reclusive in relation to human beings, and it could

1477
01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:36.960
<v Speaker 1>go on for a long long time before there was verification.

1478
01:17:37.239 --> 01:17:39.279
<v Speaker 1>And I just want to throw this in there too,

1479
01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:42.119
<v Speaker 1>is I don't know if you've heard this before, but

1480
01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:44.279
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a good argument on the pro side,

1481
01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:47.039
<v Speaker 1>as people, we were to find bodies lying around. Well,

1482
01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:51.520
<v Speaker 1>George Shaler in the sixties, head of the World Wildlife Fund,

1483
01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:55.720
<v Speaker 1>actually witnessed two mountain gorillas covering a dead mountain gorilla

1484
01:17:55.880 --> 01:17:59.520
<v Speaker 1>with vegetation, so the possibility and we know Neanderthals buried

1485
01:17:59.520 --> 01:18:02.000
<v Speaker 1>their dead, so if we are talking about a higher prime,

1486
01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:04.319
<v Speaker 1>perhaps a proto human, it's not that big of a

1487
01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:06.479
<v Speaker 1>stretch to suggest they might conceal their.

1488
01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:10.359
<v Speaker 4>Dead, right. Yeah, I guess again, I don't want to

1489
01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:11.560
<v Speaker 4>be a dead horse about it. I guess.

1490
01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:13.720
<v Speaker 6>I guess that I'm just slightly surprised or beat a

1491
01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:14.560
<v Speaker 6>dead big foot about it.

1492
01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:15.239
<v Speaker 4>But I guess.

1493
01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:21.239
<v Speaker 6>But I mean, how how is it that I'm trying

1494
01:18:21.279 --> 01:18:24.279
<v Speaker 6>to reconcile? I mean, if if if we all acknowledge

1495
01:18:24.279 --> 01:18:29.279
<v Speaker 6>and you admit that eyewitness reports have essentially zero eventuary value.

1496
01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't not there the law. I would agree with

1497
01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:35.279
<v Speaker 1>you that they're the lowest four, but they are evidence.

1498
01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:38.279
<v Speaker 1>If if people didn't listen, well hold on, if that

1499
01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:41.520
<v Speaker 1>people didn't listen to stories before Mountain guerrillas discovered, they

1500
01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:43.000
<v Speaker 1>never would have been discovered. Maybe that would have been

1501
01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:43.479
<v Speaker 1>a better thing.

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01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:45.680
<v Speaker 6>I don't know, no, no, no, no, he I think

1503
01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:48.840
<v Speaker 6>you you're confusingly you you've talked about it. You this

1504
01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:50.760
<v Speaker 6>is that that's actually the second time that you sort

1505
01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:52.960
<v Speaker 6>of suggested that that skeptics are saying that we shouldn't

1506
01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:55.600
<v Speaker 6>listen to them. I have never ever suggested. I don't

1507
01:18:55.600 --> 01:18:58.800
<v Speaker 6>think Blake has either that anyone should ignore eyewitness reports.

1508
01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:00.520
<v Speaker 4>No one is saying that, but.

1509
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:04.439
<v Speaker 1>None of that. But because there's no physical evidence, so

1510
01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:09.079
<v Speaker 1>it's like, it's like, well, no, no.

1511
01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:11.439
<v Speaker 6>What what I'm trying to reconcile is that is that

1512
01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:13.479
<v Speaker 6>you said that you consider that to be to be

1513
01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:16.239
<v Speaker 6>the most compelling type of evidence, which is fine, that's

1514
01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:18.520
<v Speaker 6>that's fine, But I'm just saying that Wait.

1515
01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I also said coupled with my own experience, which was

1516
01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:23.680
<v Speaker 1>that's fine.

1517
01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:26.000
<v Speaker 6>But I'm just trying to figure out again, given the

1518
01:19:26.119 --> 01:19:29.680
<v Speaker 6>fact that that you know, I witnessed reports and sightings,

1519
01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:31.960
<v Speaker 6>to the best of my knowledge, have never led to

1520
01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:35.800
<v Speaker 6>any you know, any known fact about Bigfoot?

1521
01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:39.600
<v Speaker 4>Where? Why why is it so compelling? Is it just

1522
01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:41.840
<v Speaker 4>because the volume of or well, I think.

1523
01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:45.359
<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's uh, there's nothing really to reconcile, I

1524
01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:48.439
<v Speaker 1>would say for me, because it sounds like you're just

1525
01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:49.520
<v Speaker 1>too damned patient.

1526
01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:53.239
<v Speaker 4>Ben, Yes, I am damn it, you're damn it.

1527
01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:58.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's good to have what results? Is uh it? Again? People?

1528
01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:00.720
<v Speaker 1>What not show? What are people saying? You've got a

1529
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:04.560
<v Speaker 1>lot a lot of people saying they've seen primate like creatures.

1530
01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Let's look at the history of primate discovery. It's a

1531
01:20:07.640 --> 01:20:11.479
<v Speaker 1>slow process. I don't buy the argument we're so technologically

1532
01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:13.760
<v Speaker 1>advanced we'd be finding the net doesn't apply to this

1533
01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:19.960
<v Speaker 1>particular scenario because dense vegetation and steep slopes are in

1534
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:24.279
<v Speaker 1>unbelievable abundance in the Pacific Northwest. And if we're talking

1535
01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:27.279
<v Speaker 1>about a viable preeding population of only let's say fifteen hundred.

1536
01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:29.439
<v Speaker 1>You do the math, it works out to something like

1537
01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:32.960
<v Speaker 1>a social group of these things, assuming they have like

1538
01:20:33.079 --> 01:20:35.439
<v Speaker 1>four or five per social group. Let's say like I'm

1539
01:20:35.439 --> 01:20:38.039
<v Speaker 1>a a girl. Again, assuming you could have one social

1540
01:20:38.079 --> 01:20:40.720
<v Speaker 1>group for every seven hundred roughly seven hundred and fifty

1541
01:20:40.760 --> 01:20:43.800
<v Speaker 1>square miles of forest, they occasionally have the rogue mail

1542
01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:49.560
<v Speaker 1>go out. Crance's theory on this hypothesis, it doesn't make

1543
01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:52.479
<v Speaker 1>it's not that unusual. It's just not that well, we

1544
01:20:52.479 --> 01:20:54.319
<v Speaker 1>would find them right away, no, we're not. With the

1545
01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:57.000
<v Speaker 1>brains of these things would be a hell of a

1546
01:20:57.039 --> 01:21:00.880
<v Speaker 1>lot bigger. You know that a bear obviously less in

1547
01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:03.439
<v Speaker 1>number to the bigger an animal is. There's less of

1548
01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:07.640
<v Speaker 1>them in a particular ecosystem. So it's it's not all

1549
01:21:07.760 --> 01:21:10.720
<v Speaker 1>that surprising to me that if in fact they exist,

1550
01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:12.640
<v Speaker 1>that I'm just more patient.

1551
01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:15.840
<v Speaker 6>Well, and the other thing that I have to I'll

1552
01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:19.159
<v Speaker 6>just throw this in there is that, you know, in

1553
01:21:19.479 --> 01:21:22.960
<v Speaker 6>researching the chupacaba my I mean, I I came across

1554
01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:26.239
<v Speaker 6>dozens and dozens of people who, uh, you know, I went,

1555
01:21:26.359 --> 01:21:28.560
<v Speaker 6>I interviewed many of them. I read the reports who

1556
01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:32.039
<v Speaker 6>were absolutely convinced that they've reported seeing something that resembled

1557
01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:33.840
<v Speaker 6>a chupacabra, and in various.

1558
01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Forms available at Amazon dot com.

1559
01:21:36.039 --> 01:21:39.119
<v Speaker 6>It is a dot com. But but but my point

1560
01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:41.880
<v Speaker 6>here is that is that you know this is I don't.

1561
01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:45.000
<v Speaker 6>I don't doubt for a second their sincerity. These are honest, sincere,

1562
01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:49.399
<v Speaker 6>good people. They're not liars, they're not hoaxers. They're But

1563
01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:51.680
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I know people who looked me dead in

1564
01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:54.479
<v Speaker 6>the eye and swore that they saw a creature that

1565
01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:56.920
<v Speaker 6>I am virtually certain and I've more or less proved

1566
01:21:56.960 --> 01:21:59.800
<v Speaker 6>in my excellent book Track than Chupacabra does not exist.

1567
01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:03.279
<v Speaker 6>And this is the problem that I have as again,

1568
01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:06.199
<v Speaker 6>don't I don't doubt for a second that people see

1569
01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:08.560
<v Speaker 6>things they don't understand, don't recognize. I know that for

1570
01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:10.319
<v Speaker 6>a fact. I know that better than most people do.

1571
01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:12.279
<v Speaker 6>But at the point in what you're going to tell

1572
01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:14.680
<v Speaker 6>me that you know that someone's saying they saw something

1573
01:22:14.760 --> 01:22:19.279
<v Speaker 6>they can't explain or can't identify is good evidence, that's

1574
01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:20.680
<v Speaker 6>where things get a little hazy for me.

1575
01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:23.199
<v Speaker 1>Well no, well, again, it's a sliding scale. I wouldn't

1576
01:22:23.199 --> 01:22:25.119
<v Speaker 1>put it as good, but it's a starting point, and

1577
01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:27.479
<v Speaker 1>it's been so in the history of science. I mean,

1578
01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:30.279
<v Speaker 1>the hit part of the scientific process, as you guys know,

1579
01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:35.479
<v Speaker 1>is the investigated process. Is there enough to further, you know,

1580
01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:40.800
<v Speaker 1>further looking around and it maybe unfairly. It's it's weird.

1581
01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of believers will look at you

1582
01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:44.920
<v Speaker 1>guys so they oh, they're just scoff dicks and all that,

1583
01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:47.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, but they point out, you know, when there's

1584
01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:51.039
<v Speaker 1>bad pieces of evidence, like, for example, when Meldrum is still,

1585
01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:54.840
<v Speaker 1>for some friggin reason, holding out that Paul Freeman's footprint

1586
01:22:54.920 --> 01:22:57.640
<v Speaker 1>casts are real. I mean, it's like it's embarrassing. Come on,

1587
01:22:58.279 --> 01:22:59.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like a clown went through the forest.

1588
01:23:05.439 --> 01:23:08.319
<v Speaker 6>But it's like there's these bigfoot clowns and they have

1589
01:23:08.760 --> 01:23:10.119
<v Speaker 6>thoses and Seltzer bottles.

1590
01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:10.720
<v Speaker 4>It's crazy.

1591
01:23:11.039 --> 01:23:13.000
<v Speaker 1>But but I got to tell you that Jeff has

1592
01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:16.359
<v Speaker 1>gotten better, his gullibility has gotten lesson. In fact, I

1593
01:23:16.359 --> 01:23:17.720
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you guys saw this, and I don't

1594
01:23:17.720 --> 01:23:19.399
<v Speaker 1>want to get too far away from your point. I'm sorry,

1595
01:23:19.640 --> 01:23:22.079
<v Speaker 1>but he actually the first time I've ever seen him

1596
01:23:22.520 --> 01:23:25.239
<v Speaker 1>come out this whole thing in Siberia with the YETI thing,

1597
01:23:25.359 --> 01:23:28.560
<v Speaker 1>he actually spoke out. I mean, not that it wasn't

1598
01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:31.000
<v Speaker 1>pretty obvious from the beginning, you know, when there's only

1599
01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:35.359
<v Speaker 1>one like right foot making the prince. But you know,

1600
01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:38.159
<v Speaker 1>I think he's agree with you. Yeah, I think Jeff

1601
01:23:38.439 --> 01:23:40.680
<v Speaker 1>is getting is getting better, and I don't think. My

1602
01:23:40.920 --> 01:23:44.319
<v Speaker 1>guess is he was never or anyone in his family

1603
01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:48.760
<v Speaker 1>was ever pranked when he was when he was He's

1604
01:23:48.800 --> 01:23:50.479
<v Speaker 1>like one of the people in that movie the invention

1605
01:23:50.560 --> 01:23:52.600
<v Speaker 1>of line is like they just would tend to believe

1606
01:23:52.640 --> 01:23:57.640
<v Speaker 1>everything that's that's told him. But anyway, I think it's

1607
01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:00.239
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's an interest. Speaking of psychology, I mean,

1608
01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:04.359
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting, why you know we agree in a lot. Hey,

1609
01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:07.319
<v Speaker 1>there's no proof for Bigfoot. The physical evidence, I would

1610
01:24:07.359 --> 01:24:11.840
<v Speaker 1>agree is weak. But to me, I find the anecdotal

1611
01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:16.079
<v Speaker 1>evidence is strong. Plus personal experience and having talked to people. Yes,

1612
01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that leads to further investigation, and I think

1613
01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:25.239
<v Speaker 1>that there probably is something. But that's admittedly purely an

1614
01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:30.039
<v Speaker 1>intuitive thing. It's purely intuitive, So doesn't mean I'm right,

1615
01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:33.600
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean I'm wrong. But I just think that greatest

1616
01:24:33.640 --> 01:24:36.359
<v Speaker 1>irony would be would be awesome if I read in

1617
01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:39.279
<v Speaker 1>the newspaper one day Ben Radford hits actual Sasquatch with

1618
01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:40.520
<v Speaker 1>car and British Columbia.

1619
01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:42.920
<v Speaker 4>Yes, or killed by a Bigfoot?

1620
01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:47.880
<v Speaker 1>No, you know what's gonna happen. You're gonna get all

1621
01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:50.479
<v Speaker 1>these die hard believers. They'll pummel your body and they'll

1622
01:24:50.479 --> 01:24:52.159
<v Speaker 1>try to make it look like a sasquad did it

1623
01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:57.119
<v Speaker 1>and lost control of the car. No.

1624
01:24:57.319 --> 01:24:59.000
<v Speaker 4>No, I, I I think you're right.

1625
01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:00.840
<v Speaker 6>And again I think we actually agree on on on

1626
01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:02.840
<v Speaker 6>quite a bit. And and I agree with you about Jeff.

1627
01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:04.600
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I I know Jeff Meldrum.

1628
01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:06.560
<v Speaker 4>I like him. He's a nice guy.

1629
01:25:06.640 --> 01:25:10.640
<v Speaker 6>I I happen to think fairly highly of him, except

1630
01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:13.319
<v Speaker 6>in certain circumstances when I don't think his sciences is good.

1631
01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:16.119
<v Speaker 6>But but you know, on the whole, I mean I

1632
01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:18.159
<v Speaker 6>I think he did the right thing by stepping up

1633
01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:20.079
<v Speaker 6>and saying, look, you know this is bogus and uh,

1634
01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:22.760
<v Speaker 6>and good for him. I wish I wish more people

1635
01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:26.079
<v Speaker 6>in the Bigfoot community would would would come forward and say,

1636
01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:27.880
<v Speaker 6>you know what, this is bullshit and you know what

1637
01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:30.319
<v Speaker 6>I got used here and and you know, and and

1638
01:25:30.439 --> 01:25:32.880
<v Speaker 6>try and sort out the the good evidence from the bad.

1639
01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:34.520
<v Speaker 6>And I think that's one thing that I try to do.

1640
01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:37.039
<v Speaker 6>And Monster Talk and Blake and others and you as

1641
01:25:37.039 --> 01:25:39.640
<v Speaker 6>well as they say, look, guys, I mean I think

1642
01:25:39.720 --> 01:25:41.920
<v Speaker 6>at the end of the day, I think it really

1643
01:25:41.960 --> 01:25:44.680
<v Speaker 6>we're on the same page. Uh, you know, we're trying

1644
01:25:44.720 --> 01:25:47.720
<v Speaker 6>to find the truth to Bigfoot, and and I'm trying

1645
01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:49.319
<v Speaker 6>to figure it out, and you're trying to figure it out.

1646
01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:51.720
<v Speaker 6>And and you know, this is why I sometimes get

1647
01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:55.359
<v Speaker 6>baffled when people suggest that, well, you know, I'm somehow

1648
01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:58.479
<v Speaker 6>like I'm paid to like debunk Bigfoot or something like,

1649
01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:00.159
<v Speaker 6>what does does.

1650
01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:01.439
<v Speaker 4>That even mean? You know, I'm not.

1651
01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:04.560
<v Speaker 6>First of all, I'm not paid. Second of all, you

1652
01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:06.720
<v Speaker 6>think I would love to find Bigfoot? I mean, I

1653
01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:08.199
<v Speaker 6>just come at it from a from a you know,

1654
01:26:08.279 --> 01:26:11.600
<v Speaker 6>a slightly more I think science based, skeptical in view.

1655
01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:13.399
<v Speaker 4>But at the end of the day, you know, to

1656
01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:14.960
<v Speaker 4>my mind, you're open to it.

1657
01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:18.039
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, and and and and frankly, I think that

1658
01:26:18.279 --> 01:26:22.399
<v Speaker 6>that that not sorting through the bulk and the truth

1659
01:26:22.520 --> 01:26:24.560
<v Speaker 6>and the myths and trying to point these into different

1660
01:26:24.560 --> 01:26:27.560
<v Speaker 6>categories is a disservice. We we need people to step

1661
01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:30.039
<v Speaker 6>up and say, you know what, this may not be

1662
01:26:30.199 --> 01:26:32.600
<v Speaker 6>definitive evidence, but it's pretty good. And you know what,

1663
01:26:32.720 --> 01:26:35.520
<v Speaker 6>these videos, these photos, these are all crap. And and

1664
01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:38.039
<v Speaker 6>let's just clear out the hoaxes, clear out the fakes,

1665
01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:40.079
<v Speaker 6>and and focus on the good evidence.

1666
01:26:40.119 --> 01:26:41.239
<v Speaker 4>And that's what I try to do.

1667
01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, no, that's good man, it's it's uh, I mean,

1668
01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:48.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a great mystery. It's very fascinating. And uh, you

1669
01:26:49.039 --> 01:26:51.479
<v Speaker 1>reminded me when you're talking about something there that I

1670
01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:54.560
<v Speaker 1>think really comes into play here. Well, not only on

1671
01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:56.680
<v Speaker 1>the believer side, I think, perhaps more on the believer side,

1672
01:26:56.680 --> 01:26:58.039
<v Speaker 1>but also the skeptical side too.

1673
01:26:58.720 --> 01:26:58.840
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1674
01:26:59.199 --> 01:27:01.399
<v Speaker 1>And not with you guys per se, but whenever you

1675
01:27:01.479 --> 01:27:04.159
<v Speaker 1>get a groups of people with particular bent one way

1676
01:27:04.239 --> 01:27:06.840
<v Speaker 1>or another believer non believer, then you get the group

1677
01:27:06.920 --> 01:27:09.800
<v Speaker 1>thing and and and and the snarkiness on both sides

1678
01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:11.560
<v Speaker 1>that oh, and he just doesn't know what he's talking about,

1679
01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:14.279
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah and blue blah. And you know, to me,

1680
01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>it always shows the danger of group thing whatever is.

1681
01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:25.560
<v Speaker 1>You have to individually analyze every specific incidence individually. How

1682
01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:27.399
<v Speaker 1>often do I see it in this phenomena, It's just

1683
01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:30.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, again, like the BFR expeditions, you can just

1684
01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:32.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of, my god, what are the odds that you're

1685
01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:35.720
<v Speaker 1>getting that much, you know, evidence when you go out.

1686
01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:38.680
<v Speaker 1>It's it's so astronomical if assuming these things are real,

1687
01:27:38.720 --> 01:27:42.880
<v Speaker 1>that it would just it's ridiculous. It's I guess one

1688
01:27:42.920 --> 01:27:45.000
<v Speaker 1>thing I would say to whatever whoever's listening to this,

1689
01:27:45.920 --> 01:27:46.119
<v Speaker 1>you know.

1690
01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:47.199
<v Speaker 4>Both of them.

1691
01:27:51.039 --> 01:27:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, always look, you know, look at what the person's claiming,

1692
01:27:55.279 --> 01:27:57.279
<v Speaker 1>and then what what are they offering up? And then

1693
01:27:57.680 --> 01:28:01.439
<v Speaker 1>and see if there's either you know, they being It's

1694
01:28:01.479 --> 01:28:03.960
<v Speaker 1>hard to determine if someone's lying or not. But you know,

1695
01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:06.119
<v Speaker 1>just like you said, Ben, you know, try to separate

1696
01:28:06.279 --> 01:28:08.800
<v Speaker 1>the bullshit from me. And in this phenomenon, it's all

1697
01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>been to this point. I happen to believe that there

1698
01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:18.760
<v Speaker 1>will be verification, probably in two months now. Actually I

1699
01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:22.439
<v Speaker 1>was God, I would think a I imagined a question

1700
01:28:22.520 --> 01:28:27.239
<v Speaker 1>you guys might ask me today and something along the

1701
01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>lines of, well, how long would this have to go

1702
01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:35.239
<v Speaker 1>on without verification before you would give up the ghost

1703
01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:39.439
<v Speaker 1>as it were, I'm fifty two, I'm gonna I Actually

1704
01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:42.159
<v Speaker 1>I've said this years ago, though I really honestly think

1705
01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>it could go on a long time if there's a

1706
01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:46.279
<v Speaker 1>small number of them and they are super smart and

1707
01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:49.520
<v Speaker 1>they like I believe, because we know there's evidence of

1708
01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:52.479
<v Speaker 1>suctions Cougar's will you know, don't leave tracks at certain times,

1709
01:28:52.520 --> 01:28:54.720
<v Speaker 1>and freaking Cougar can do it, then an alleged higher

1710
01:28:54.760 --> 01:28:57.840
<v Speaker 1>prime make it definitely not want to leave tracks at

1711
01:28:57.880 --> 01:29:00.920
<v Speaker 1>certain times perhaps, or be conscientious of it, conscious of

1712
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:03.560
<v Speaker 1>it other I think it could go in a long time,

1713
01:29:04.800 --> 01:29:07.479
<v Speaker 1>but it's got to be I guess be tough for

1714
01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:10.079
<v Speaker 1>you guys, because it's hard to prove it negative. I said,

1715
01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know that a believer could always go

1716
01:29:13.800 --> 01:29:15.720
<v Speaker 1>all he's always just right over the hill. He just

1717
01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:18.359
<v Speaker 1>you just missed it. You know. It's like kind of

1718
01:29:18.840 --> 01:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>the Santa you know.

1719
01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Actually, the thing that bugs me is having had experiences

1720
01:29:24.560 --> 01:29:27.479
<v Speaker 2>that were very unusual that I would have classified as

1721
01:29:27.520 --> 01:29:31.199
<v Speaker 2>paranormal and later figuring out what really happened or what

1722
01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:35.079
<v Speaker 2>I think really happened. But I know how deeply unsatisfying

1723
01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:38.239
<v Speaker 2>it is to be told that the thing that you

1724
01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:41.760
<v Speaker 2>experienced wasn't what you thought it was, you know. The

1725
01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:45.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, for people like, for example, there's a lot

1726
01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:48.920
<v Speaker 2>of people who've had ghost experiences or haunting type experiences

1727
01:29:50.159 --> 01:29:53.159
<v Speaker 2>who have nothing to show for it except they were

1728
01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:55.079
<v Speaker 2>scared and something weird happened.

1729
01:29:55.199 --> 01:29:57.399
<v Speaker 1>And how frustrating is that, you know.

1730
01:29:59.159 --> 01:30:03.000
<v Speaker 2>So, you know, from the big foot side, there's something

1731
01:30:03.159 --> 01:30:07.159
<v Speaker 2>about a bigfoot siding, like you mentioned your friend coming

1732
01:30:07.239 --> 01:30:11.000
<v Speaker 2>to tears. It's it almost seems like a quasi religious experience.

1733
01:30:11.079 --> 01:30:16.279
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes when when people describe their their experiences with seeing Bigfoot,

1734
01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:18.279
<v Speaker 2>even if it's just a parcel sighting or you know,

1735
01:30:18.720 --> 01:30:22.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, a possible sighting, I think.

1736
01:30:21.840 --> 01:30:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Of that instance he was actually crapping his pants.

1737
01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:28.079
<v Speaker 2>But go, well, it wasn't so much the tears as

1738
01:30:28.119 --> 01:30:29.760
<v Speaker 2>the involuntary urination.

1739
01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:31.840
<v Speaker 4>This episode brought you. It depends.

1740
01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:36.760
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it puts us an awkward position to skeptics

1741
01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:40.159
<v Speaker 2>to say, that's great, I'm glad you had that experience.

1742
01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:42.199
<v Speaker 2>If it was okay for you, I'm sorry if it wasn't.

1743
01:30:43.039 --> 01:30:45.439
<v Speaker 2>But to us, we need a body, right, you know

1744
01:30:45.520 --> 01:30:50.039
<v Speaker 2>that that's it's a very unsatisfying answer on our side,

1745
01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:52.479
<v Speaker 2>even though it's the one we're stuck with.

1746
01:30:53.079 --> 01:30:55.239
<v Speaker 1>No, but it's but I you know, I agree as

1747
01:30:55.279 --> 01:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>far as you know shared knowledge in the world. I mean,

1748
01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:03.119
<v Speaker 1>I am a huge fan of the scientific method. That's

1749
01:31:03.199 --> 01:31:05.319
<v Speaker 1>how we share things. Well, you know because why because

1750
01:31:05.359 --> 01:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>people can mis perceive, people can lie, people can hallucinate.

1751
01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:12.000
<v Speaker 1>So if we're going to share something, you know, in

1752
01:31:12.119 --> 01:31:14.359
<v Speaker 1>one sense, we should all be from Missouri, you know,

1753
01:31:15.920 --> 01:31:18.279
<v Speaker 1>show it to me. So because so often in the

1754
01:31:18.359 --> 01:31:20.239
<v Speaker 1>history of man there have just been those instance things

1755
01:31:20.279 --> 01:31:23.439
<v Speaker 1>were believed for Soult's just believe. Well, why well, you know,

1756
01:31:23.640 --> 01:31:26.279
<v Speaker 1>Joe Blow said it. We are, the Earth is at

1757
01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the center, the sun goes around us. Dude, the pre

1758
01:31:29.720 --> 01:31:33.399
<v Speaker 1>set it, you know. So it's just you know, always

1759
01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:38.079
<v Speaker 1>being I guess open to you know, I guess certain

1760
01:31:38.199 --> 01:31:40.520
<v Speaker 1>to a degree in your own direct experience, but also

1761
01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:43.439
<v Speaker 1>being willing to question it and look at it from

1762
01:31:43.960 --> 01:31:48.720
<v Speaker 1>other possible perspectives. And if it still comes back, like

1763
01:31:48.800 --> 01:31:51.800
<v Speaker 1>for example, with me, I literally have done that, and

1764
01:31:51.920 --> 01:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I still think that's what probably happened. Do I know it? Absolutely?

1765
01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Did I see a six foot tall thing standing directly

1766
01:31:58.880 --> 01:32:01.399
<v Speaker 1>in front of me. No, But I looked at the

1767
01:32:01.479 --> 01:32:04.319
<v Speaker 1>videotape immediately afterwards. I saw glowing red eyes. It was

1768
01:32:04.640 --> 01:32:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the two kids were very believable at the bottom of

1769
01:32:06.560 --> 01:32:09.039
<v Speaker 1>the hill. I find it hard to look at it

1770
01:32:09.760 --> 01:32:12.800
<v Speaker 1>as being a psychological phenomenon. I mean, I could be

1771
01:32:12.920 --> 01:32:16.239
<v Speaker 1>fooled just like anybody else, but I just don't think

1772
01:32:16.359 --> 01:32:17.520
<v Speaker 1>that was the case there.

1773
01:32:18.159 --> 01:32:20.760
<v Speaker 6>And frankly, I mean, you know, to be honest, if

1774
01:32:20.760 --> 01:32:22.319
<v Speaker 6>I had been there with you, I probably would I

1775
01:32:22.680 --> 01:32:23.920
<v Speaker 6>probably would have thought the same thing.

1776
01:32:24.000 --> 01:32:24.199
<v Speaker 4>I mean.

1777
01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:28.119
<v Speaker 6>That's the thing is that I it's not like I'm

1778
01:32:28.119 --> 01:32:30.199
<v Speaker 6>sitting back here saying, oh, that's crazy, you know. I mean,

1779
01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:33.079
<v Speaker 6>I you know, for all I know, I would have been,

1780
01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:36.119
<v Speaker 6>you know, blubbering like a like a you know, schoolgirl

1781
01:32:36.840 --> 01:32:37.319
<v Speaker 6>along with it.

1782
01:32:37.399 --> 01:32:39.239
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, but I mean that's the thing. Unless

1783
01:32:39.319 --> 01:32:41.920
<v Speaker 4>you're in that situation, you don't know, yeah.

1784
01:32:41.800 --> 01:32:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and it's like, you know, and it must be

1785
01:32:44.800 --> 01:32:47.840
<v Speaker 1>really uh frustrating, like Blake was saying. I mean, like,

1786
01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:51.600
<v Speaker 1>for example, UFOs, if in fact UFOs exist, and if

1787
01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:54.399
<v Speaker 1>there's a man and a woman you know who without

1788
01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:57.479
<v Speaker 1>a doubt, I mean unless I mean again, how do

1789
01:32:57.520 --> 01:33:00.199
<v Speaker 1>you really know unless there's some you know, but that

1790
01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:03.560
<v Speaker 1>some craft was right in front of them right there,

1791
01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:06.039
<v Speaker 1>said something got out and let and you know, you know,

1792
01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I think what's the lesson to be learned? You have to.

1793
01:33:10.439 --> 01:33:10.640
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1794
01:33:10.960 --> 01:33:13.319
<v Speaker 1>I think Ricky Nelson said it best in Garden Party.

1795
01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:18.119
<v Speaker 1>You can't please everyone, You gotta please yourself. Good night, everybody?

1796
01:33:22.359 --> 01:33:24.239
<v Speaker 2>All right? Well, I think the sun's coming up and

1797
01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:29.560
<v Speaker 2>I still have to go to work, right okay, Well, Scott,

1798
01:33:29.640 --> 01:33:31.039
<v Speaker 2>thank you for talking to us today.

1799
01:33:31.439 --> 01:33:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Hey, it was fun, man, it was Yeah. It's one

1800
01:33:34.720 --> 01:33:37.319
<v Speaker 1>of those topics I never really get tired of yacking

1801
01:33:37.359 --> 01:33:41.600
<v Speaker 1>about and uh it was. It was good man, It

1802
01:33:41.680 --> 01:33:43.720
<v Speaker 1>was a lot of fun, and I think one or

1803
01:33:43.840 --> 01:33:46.399
<v Speaker 1>both of you guys should definitely come on. I think

1804
01:33:46.439 --> 01:33:47.159
<v Speaker 1>it would be awesome.

1805
01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:49.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you don't think it would be too much,

1806
01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:51.399
<v Speaker 2>I would be interested for sure. I bet you it

1807
01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:53.199
<v Speaker 2>could be entertaining for your listeners.

1808
01:33:53.399 --> 01:33:56.039
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, no, no, no, it would. Dude, believe me,

1809
01:33:56.079 --> 01:33:59.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean we have actually, you know, we're how would

1810
01:33:59.079 --> 01:34:02.079
<v Speaker 1>I characterize this? I mean, like Brian is that we're

1811
01:34:02.159 --> 01:34:06.159
<v Speaker 1>all well, Brian and I are admitted believers. Paul doesn't

1812
01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:09.119
<v Speaker 1>say he's believe. I actually think he does believe, but uh,

1813
01:34:09.319 --> 01:34:10.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, he remains it, but he does a good

1814
01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:14.159
<v Speaker 1>job on the show of remaining pretty like on the

1815
01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:16.079
<v Speaker 1>fence and looking at it that way. We have a

1816
01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:19.800
<v Speaker 1>new guy just came on. Great guy. Sam Rich, like myself,

1817
01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:23.680
<v Speaker 1>thinks these things probably exist, but thinks a lot of

1818
01:34:23.720 --> 01:34:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the evidence, you know, is pretty damn weak. So yeah,

1819
01:34:29.079 --> 01:34:32.039
<v Speaker 1>I'll talk to Uh, Brian's got of the main dude,

1820
01:34:33.159 --> 01:34:35.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, he runs the recording and all that,

1821
01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:38.239
<v Speaker 1>so uh yeah, I'll run it by him, and I

1822
01:34:38.319 --> 01:34:39.079
<v Speaker 1>think it would be great.

1823
01:34:40.079 --> 01:34:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, do well, thanks again, for joining us and oh

1824
01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:46.960
<v Speaker 2>good lord, yeah, what's your favorite monster?

1825
01:34:47.800 --> 01:34:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh? My fuck? Oh man all the time. But that's

1826
01:34:51.319 --> 01:34:53.680
<v Speaker 1>when that came to mind. The scariest still to this day,

1827
01:34:53.800 --> 01:34:56.720
<v Speaker 1>the scariest is Lawn Cheney Junior. Is the wolf Man?

1828
01:34:57.239 --> 01:35:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Still the scariest classic favorite monster? Am Maybe the wolf Man?

1829
01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:06.760
<v Speaker 1>It could be a pattern, very bipeds. It's a wolf man.

1830
01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Wolf Man. That creature from the Black Lagoon.

1831
01:35:10.680 --> 01:35:13.319
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty creepy too. Yeah, I like the one from

1832
01:35:13.399 --> 01:35:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Monster Squad. Did you see that movie Monster Squad with

1833
01:35:17.840 --> 01:35:21.439
<v Speaker 2>the kids. It's like, oh, you should watch it is classic.

1834
01:35:21.680 --> 01:35:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Did you see Super Have you seen Super eight?

1835
01:35:23.439 --> 01:35:23.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

1836
01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh yeah, I just saw that today. That was

1837
01:35:25.720 --> 01:35:26.520
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good monster.

1838
01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very cool monster.

1839
01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:28.600
<v Speaker 3>You know. Yeah.

1840
01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:31.000
<v Speaker 2>And they did a great job of capturing the seventies,

1841
01:35:31.039 --> 01:35:31.359
<v Speaker 2>didn't they.

1842
01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I kept I was torn. I was like,

1843
01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:36.880
<v Speaker 1>I know that's what they were going for a little

1844
01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:39.359
<v Speaker 1>homage to spielberghism. Yeah exactly.

1845
01:35:39.520 --> 01:35:42.199
<v Speaker 2>It was like, let's have one more nineteen seventy Spielberg film.

1846
01:35:42.680 --> 01:35:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it was. It was just so much. There

1847
01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:47.600
<v Speaker 1>was so much like, oh, here's a little bit of Jaws.

1848
01:35:47.640 --> 01:35:49.479
<v Speaker 1>Now they're thrown a little bit of close encounters in

1849
01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:52.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh and it here comes et and you just see

1850
01:35:52.319 --> 01:35:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the scenes that were influenced by the various Spielberg films.

1851
01:35:57.279 --> 01:35:58.920
<v Speaker 4>Was there any Howard the Duck?

1852
01:36:00.199 --> 01:36:03.840
<v Speaker 1>God wait, I changed my answer, Howard the Ducks scarious monster.

1853
01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:08.560
<v Speaker 2>And scene. Okay, Well, thanks a lot, Scott.

1854
01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:12.199
<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, Hey, have a good holiday season. And yeah

1855
01:36:12.319 --> 01:36:15.720
<v Speaker 1>you did the same. All right, take squatching at Amazon

1856
01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:16.039
<v Speaker 1>dot com.

1857
01:36:16.159 --> 01:36:17.520
<v Speaker 4>There, squat chick out.

1858
01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, take care morest.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thanks to listening to this extra long episode of

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<v Speaker 2>Monster Talk on behalf of Ben Radford and Karen Stolesno

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<v Speaker 2>and myself Blake Smith. I want to give my deepest

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for your continued support. If it weren't for all

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<v Speaker 2>my wife probably wouldn't be so willing to let me

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<v Speaker 2>put this show together. And in case this turns out

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<v Speaker 2>to be the time she actually listens all the way through,

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<v Speaker 2>time to do this show, and thanks again for everyone

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Hello, I can't hear anything. Hold on, hello, still

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<v Speaker 1>can't hear anything.