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Speaker 1: It's Billified the Bill Moran Podcast. Well, hello and welcome.
Thanks for getting your pot on.
Speaker 3: Thank you for telling a friend and my friend Debrillos here,
he's got his buffalo Bill's hat on. Before we get
into any of the uh stuff surrounding them. In particular,
I'd like to just give you a little peek into
my life and things that are going on. And my
mom had sent out a text and I had talked
to her last night and she said this to me,
and she said, Uh, let.
Speaker 1: Me see I have the group. Damn it, I'm hitting
the wrong one because my brother just wrote something. Okay, Uh,
Today is the eighth anniversary of Grannyag's passing. And Grannyag
go ahead, Dan, I know.
Speaker 4: What it says. I know what it says. That was
a Granny Egg. That was your aunt.
Speaker 1: But yes, that was my aunt. But that was when
they left me. There was some of the funniest shit
they were leaving me. A voicemail for my birthday and
I was mowing the lawn and then they called again
and my grandmother says to me, did you a happy birthday?
I remember I was backed by the treehouse in the
pool area and I'm mowing the lawn and I feel
it now vibrating on it. So I go, hey, happy birthday.
Did you get a message? I said, no, I don't
listen to it. That was the greatest message ever. Because
my grand my mother thinks that she's leaving. She doesn't
think she's leaving a voicemail. She was calling with my
mom's youngest sister, who's fifteen years younger than my mom,
and they get into a huge fight because she says
it's not he's not there. I know, and it just
goes from there. And it just went from there, and it.
Speaker 4: Was I tried digging that up.
Speaker 5: I couldn't because I know I sent it to you
a movie when you left the station.
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's got to be somewhere. It has to be,
so I don't know where it is.
Speaker 5: So then a friend of ours, Dave, who recorded all
the shows, like better than we did. Yeah, it might
be on a thumb drive that I gave to you.
That Dave put all our shows out somewhere on there.
I have that, okay, so it might be, and he
labels some of the dates. Not that we don't have
every show. Yeah, we have a lot of When we
started doing U stream, that's when we started like getting
a lot of the recording.
Speaker 1: So and then we had her on to review Norbit.
Yeah remember that shitty Eddie Murphy movie. But she was laughing.
I mean, she was funny. She was a character. I
called her up when the Bagpipers came in and played
Amazing Grace and uh I think she was singing along
or Danny Boy or something like that. I mean, we
used to have her on the show a lot.
Speaker 5: On that Polish Piper like never left. He stuck around
for like two more hours. He was asking about who
the general manager was. He wanted he needed a job.
So guy walking around in a kilt for three hours
in an office building in a pegpipe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing to see here.
Speaker 6: My.
Speaker 1: Uh okay, I'm just getting all kinds of information here.
My mom had sent this to both me, my brother
and sister. Today's the eighth anniversary of Granny X passing.
Sometimes it seems like yesterday, and sometimes it's it seems
so long ago. I really miss her. I put a
heart to that. I didn't know what else to say,
and I had a lot of it, just just a lot.
So my brother writes, because we.
Speaker 4: Made a comment before, and I like, okay.
Speaker 1: My brother writes back to my mother, I miss when
you used to get so angry at her and slam
the buttons on the cordless phone and screamed that she
was drinking again, Rest easy, egg. And then he writes,
but I don't think she was drinking. It was her medication.
That is fucking classic right there. This classic, because very funny.
I don't know if I was. Yeah, I think we
were doing the break room when we had the anniversary
party for my parents, and she passed out at the
party and they took her out in an ambulance.
Speaker 4: And I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's a story for another day.
Speaker 4: I remember, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I will tell you that story for another day.
Speaker 5: I do remember the story where she fell asleep a
Christmas or something.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that was the same thing. It wasn't Christmas.
We were getting ready for the anniversary party and she
went in. My parents had this room that had two entrances.
One was French doors. One was just a glass door
at the other end of the room, and it had
a big fireplace in there, two couches that faced each other,
all these you know sliders and doors in the back
that let out the hot tub. It was a beautiful
home that they rebuilt after the fire. And she's laying
down on there, fell asleep, and my and we had
a bunch of flowers right delivered. There were tons of
them for this party we were thrown from my parents.
And my brother goes, oh, my god, have you seen grandma.
She's laying there with her hands on her chest. It
looks like she's dead. He goes, let's go in like
it's awake. So I go, okay, I grab flowers. I
give him one, I give me one. I started walking
to My brother goes, no, no, no, no, you never enter from
the front in a funeral baller. So we go through
the dining room. We walk in and we kneel down
and where we lay the roses on her, and she
kind of comes to and we're kneeling their preying, but
we're both like giggling where little buzz were laughing, and
she picks up the jays starts called shit, she's hitting
us with the roses. Like this woman was a cartoon
character and I loved her. I loved her. There's a
lot that we're gonna unpack here today. I think a
lot of thoughts and things that will come about the
team that is represented on your cap.
Speaker 4: Oh, I thought you want to talk about Green? Okay?
Speaker 1: And I will say this, this isn't really a story
about football. I to me, it's a story but what
happens when high performing systems reach its emotional ceiling? And
that's exactly what I think kind of happened in Buffalo
because what we watched wasn't failure. I really don't think
it was exactly failure. I think it was exposure. And
now we're seeing some of the things come out, you know.
And I and it sort of started with Josh Allen.
I would say, people don't cry in public because they're weak.
They cry because the system they're inside no longer contains
the pressure.
Speaker 4: It's a release, Yeah, It's.
Speaker 1: An absolute release. And so I really I really think that.
And I think high performers regulate constantly no matter what
field you're in, you know, whether it be the legal profession,
I don't know if you're a business owner or whatever.
And I think leadership roles require emotional suppression at times.
Speaker 5: And oh yeah, the captain always has to be stoic,
or we're told the captain has to be stoic, and right,
in sports there's more. There's less stoicism than there used
to be, but there's still it's still there.
Speaker 4: And I later can't show emotion.
Speaker 5: No, he's got to have a stiff upper lip no
matter what happens.
Speaker 4: He's got to be different.
Speaker 1: And I think when regulation fails, right, we see that
emotions leak. And the regulation was over and there was
no more pressure. And I really believe this Dan that
tears aren't about the moment, They're about the weight that's
been carried very quietly. And we all know that there
was a lot on Josh Allen's shoulders this year. Oh gosh, right,
I mean I think it's fair to say, is that
as a guy who I don't want to say lives
and dies but is deeply personally invested, right, it's about
them has his articles printed, Right, that's a lot. I
think you ever.
Speaker 5: Say, yeah, and uh, he when the best player in
the NFL doesn't have any hardware to back up his
play even though he is right and you believe it's
all on your shoulders. And I think he had a
feeling that that was their last game with Sean McDermott
and that he let him down. And you know, Josh
did not play. Josh was both the best and worst player.
Speaker 1: At the same time.
Speaker 4: I heard what he say, Nicks out played him, bull
Bonnicks sucked.
Speaker 5: Okay, Josh Allen was literally the best and the worst
player on the field. I don't remember ever saying that
about anybody.
Speaker 1: No, I don't.
Speaker 5: I just don't remember saying that about about anyone ever.
And yet it all came crashing out of it and
in that postgame pres conference, just like it's all on me, guys,
and it's my fault. And then all of a sudden
you start asking Dion Dawkins and others about it.
Speaker 1: Wait what Yeah, no, I know, but I think that's
quietly what he carried. Yes, that's what I'm saying, Like, yes,
leaders quietly carry that. And I'll tell you what. I
think this kind of pressure shows up in executives. I
think it shows up in parents when they're you know,
you're trying to be a parent and do good stuff
leaders than anyone who keeps it together until they just
can't anymore. And it just happens that way.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, remember when my father died. Yeah I didn't.
Speaker 5: I shed it tore the day I found out. I
cried that he had cancer, and then four years later
the day that he died, and the whole time I'm
like trying to keep it together for the family. Then
after he was gone, it just all came out sure right,
Like I was okay at the funeral, but it was
the day that he died.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: When my wife's father died, I was asked to speak
at the funeral, and I didn't.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 5: He had a stroke years before I met him, so
in fact, yesterday was the anniversary of like it's something
like ten years or fifteen years when he had this stroke,
so I didn't know the man that he was before
the stroke. So we'd have conversations, but they really weren't,
you know, deep. And I get up there at the
pulpit and I just start balling, and I'm like, I
barely I mean, I know the guy, but it was
just like all the pressure of just well trying to
hold together for my wife and family pain.
Speaker 1: I mean This is what I'm saying because I want
to read a sort of a summarization that I wrote
of the New York Post article that for a brief period.
I don't know if it's still there, but if you
go to New York Post dot com, the Buffalo Bills
were the cover story. That was the first thing that
came up on their on their page. Uh so, I
thought that was pretty interesting. But I have seen executives
and when we talk about like the cracks and the
things and as things unfold, one of the greatest was
before uh well not before, I guess it was before
you and I knew each other. But there was something
that got exposed and like the shit internally started to
crumble because there were people who really loved this person
and then they're finding out things about it. It was
just wild. And I go, yeah, these kind of things
happen all the time. And we'll get more into this
because Peter's going to join us. But let me read,
Let me read. I want to read this, and I
want to read some of the comments so that were
from the article, but it says Buffalo Bill's owner Terry
Pagoula said the emotional aftermath of the team's divisional playoff
loss to the Broncos was a major factor in his
decision to fire longtime head coach Sean McDermott. Googoola described
walking into the locker room after the thirty three to
thirty overtime loss and seeing quarterback Josh Allen sobbing completely
spent after giving everything he had. That image, along with
a team visibly broken despite maximum effort, convinced Pegoula that
change was necessary. Allan publicly took responsibility for the loss,
which hinged down a controversial overtime interception intended for Brandon Cooks,
a play many believes should have been ruled down before
jakwon McMillan's secure possession. But I think with the way
the rules are, I think they got a right and
the rules are like you got to make a football
move and you have to survive the ground or survive
the ground.
Speaker 4: But then we've seen catches where that wasn't the case.
Speaker 5: So it's like, Okay, what's the precedent the president is
that's a catch, So I understand why here's the I
understand why they ruled an interception on the mitlefield because
in real time, oh oh, he's got the ball. Oh
that's an interception. The ball never hit the ground first down,
going the other way. It's Broncos football. Now, okay, okay,
it's got to be reviewed, right all all you know,
all change of possessions have to be reviewed. And they're like, yeah,
let's catch. Oh that's that's an interception. We're moving on.
Speaker 4: He said, wait, wait what Yeah.
Speaker 1: You didn't spend The NFL kind of knows themselves when
it catches.
Speaker 4: No, they don't. They knew that.
Speaker 5: Like, okay, the other game is ten minutes behind, so
we got to move along.
Speaker 1: Got it. That's exactly it. It was some time the
press conference with Okayagoula insisted officiating was not a factor
mcdervi's dismissal, instead criticizing coaching decision and overall direction. The
press conference grew tense when Pogoogle revealed ownership quote unquote
pushed to draft wide receiver Keon Coleman, despite the pick
not being a top choice for newly appointed football president
and GM Brandon Bean. So he's saying ownership that he did.
Speaker 4: No, no, no.
Speaker 1: No, but that's what the articles at I'm thinking coaching.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the coaching staff, he said, he said the
coaching staff where the way he goes? Can I interrupt
for just a second.
Speaker 4: And everybody's like, no, Terry, Terry, don't say anything, but
go on.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: Allen, who previously had a close relationship with former o
C Brian Dable, will reportedly have input in selecting the
next head coach.
Speaker 5: Even though he supposedly didn't have any input on the
firing of Sean McDermott.
Speaker 1: Somebody writes uh a comment to this article on the
New York Post. You can go find it yourself. Who
knew players ball and could get a coach fired? Something
that Jets players need to keep your eye. That's good,
good grief. Yes, young men today are becoming the new women.
In my opinion, only times I ever saw my dad
wife tears away. It was when he signed my report cards,
which I took to mean he was proud of me.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: The other one was the GM just ruined this team,
fires the coach and gives himself a raise. He just
lost to It wasn't just the coach or the players.
It's the guy who put the team together. That's what
they're saying. And I will say this nothing in my
opinion says healthy organization like firing your coach, exposing your
draft fights, and letting your quarterback help pick the next
head coach. That right there, Dandy, That right there, says
healthy organization. At one Bill's Drive.
Speaker 5: That press conference was so bad. It was amazing. I
mean it was just did you watch it? Did you
listen to it?
Speaker 1: It was I did not.
Speaker 4: It was so bad.
Speaker 5: It was good, and then at fifty minutes they cut
it off and it's like, well, I've done yet, Well
we went fifty minutes, We're done.
Speaker 4: It's like they wanted to.
Speaker 5: Like it's almost like if you could grab the hook
and pull the guy off the stage with the hook.
That's what they were trying to do with Terry. Plan.
You need to save them.
Speaker 1: You need to say less, you know what I mean,
You need to say that.
Speaker 5: And now you know why they waited like two days
to do a press conference after the firing, because they
knew that Terry hasn't spoken in six years publicly with
this team, and you knew that, like he would just
bumble his way through it, and they just, let's put
it this way. The theme for me on Billified this year,
As I said on the first show, is.
Speaker 4: Make it make sense, right, mims, make it make sense.
Speaker 5: Nothing about this press conference made any sense. They contradicted themselves.
They chased their tails. The I thought the media did
a pretty good job. There were a couple of questions
that they could have asked that they didn't. That's where
I wish like somebody like Greg would be in the room,
because he's a lawyer and you know how to like
cross examine somebody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's nobody there. They don't know the media.
They're artists.
Speaker 5: It's like, okay, I need to go get my colors
from my painting, which is going to be the story
I'm going to tell. Whereas a prosecutor or a lawyers like, no, no, no,
I just need facts and I'm gonna ask questions until
I get to the bottom of the answer.
Speaker 4: And we kind of got a fixture of that today.
Speaker 5: They're dysfunctional, but we didn't get the cracks.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's bad that boat's taking on water.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, by the way, who's gotta who's gonna
be the guy that bails the water out?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's right, Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: Okay, but here, here's here's my serious question with this.
When someone gives you everything they have and still fails,
like Josh Allen did. Okay, how do you decide whether
the problem is leadership, the system, or the impossible expectations
placed on one person to carry everyone else? How do
you decide what that is? And and that I think.
Speaker 5: You have to have your finger on the pulse in
the entire organation. And I don't think Terry does. I
don't either, And he tried to say that, like, well,
you know, I got to spend a lot of time
with my wife, which he does because of her situation,
and that's awful. And he says, I haven't been able
to watch my daughter, who's the number three ranked tennis player.
Speaker 4: In the world, go out and play.
Speaker 1: It's amazing.
Speaker 5: So he has to trust somebody in the building. Okay, Well,
who does he spend the most time with? Well, if
the coach is out coaching, who's the next in line
to spend time with. You're the guy who's helping build
your stadium. Pete Gwelly, who has now been promoted. He's
like the new Russ Brandon before Rusby got in charge
of everything, and he will be the next guy in
charge of everything when Brandon Bean if Brandon Bean fails.
And now you've elevated Brandon Bean to being the president
of the organization who says he will remain the general
manager because he has nobody else. I put this out
on Instagram this past week. I said after the game,
I said, all these things are true. One of the
things is that the offense, the head coach, the offensive coordinator,
the defensive coordinator, the strength of the conditioning coach, and
the general manager all need to go. However, Terry doesn't
know anybody else in the NFL, So what are you
gonna do At this point, I thought that they were
legitimately stuck, like everybody needed to go. They both needed
to go, or we got to run it back one
more year because who does Terry know? And the candidates
really aren't that good. And oh, by the way, you
are starting a hiring process in the middle of the playoffs,
not the end of the season like everybody else, but
in the middle of the playoffs where your best candidates
may still be going out for another couple of weeks
and you can't talk to them. Well, everybody else is
taking jobs. Let me, so we kept Brandon Bean. Yeah,
and it's one thing to keep a guy on soay, Okay,
let's see how you do in this coaching search. You
think you got control of this, Okay, I'm gonna I
want to see you do it. Okay, I'd be okay
with that. No, no, no, no. He elevated him the president.
In other words, you got the keys. Then say I
trust you. I don't trust Sean McDermott. One of you
had to go. It was him.
Speaker 1: You've won the battle ball was on here the other
night and he said, I believe that this decision was
made five weeks ago, And then it came out the
next day that five weeks ago there was a meeting
with the reported a Brandon Bean and head coach Sean McDermott,
and Sean McDermott said, we don't have the roster that
is a super Bowl caliber or to something to that
I'm paraphrasing, but something like that. So it almost then
sounds like there's some infighting.
Speaker 5: And in the last couple of months they'd ask McDermott
about the roster, about the moves that were made or
not made, and he goes, I love this team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in other words, I'm not gonna throw.
Speaker 5: Anybody under a bus, but then and then he started
praising guys like Jacobe Myers.
Speaker 4: He praised Ingram after Ingram had been like.
Speaker 5: Shipped out because they went and put a waiverclaim on
Darius Slay as Slay didn't want to come to Buffalo.
And when you do that and they're a tenured veteran,
they got to go immediately on your roster.
Speaker 4: So they had to let somebody go. So let you,
Marcus Ingram go.
Speaker 5: JaMarcus Ingram ends up with an interception in the playoff
game for Houston.
Speaker 4: Ye mind you.
Speaker 5: I mean he would take subtle digs at Brandon Bean
and the and the roster. And what I heard today was, well,
the roster's a collaboration, but it's a great roster. But
it's a collaboration. But it's a great roster, but it's
a collaboration.
Speaker 4: Well which is it? It can't be both. And who's
buying the groceries?
Speaker 5: And that's one of the questions that I didn't get
answered today by the media or the or the bills.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, look, as fans, let's just go
with more of the mees. The guys like me, You're
you're very deep. Peter's gonna come on. He's very deep.
But as fans, when we watch a player like Josh
Allen break down after a loss, do we actually want
accountability or do we just want someone to blame so
we don't have to sit with the disappointment ourselves? You
know what I mean. It's not like you have no
I have no control over this in any way, shape
or form.
Speaker 4: And yet we think we know as much as I was,
Like I.
Speaker 1: Always made fun of people who let this kind of
become their world and blah blah. I was bummed out,
like legitimately upset.
Speaker 4: Can I tell you something.
Speaker 5: I watched that game with my wife, my sister, my
brother in law who's a Dolphins fan, mind you, and
I'm getting texts from everybody during the game. I got
to the church to church the next day. I have
people coming up to me like angry at church.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well pastor preached a great message. And it's like,
oh my gosh, am I taking this well. I must
be because I wasn't upset after the game, like yeah, whatever,
it's just football.
Speaker 5: Everybody else My sister, my brother was a Dolphins space
just show it at his kitchen watch a game. Yeah,
I mean, you know, it was sad, and I was like,
I was like resigned to it, like I'm over it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm over it, guys.
Speaker 1: I mean I know. It's as Josh like sucked. He
was great.
Speaker 5: My point is I feel ten times worse today than
I did after the game. I'm like, oh, well, all right, Yeah,
we'll see what happens. Yeah, I'm not happy about it,
but you know what life goes on. When I woke
up the next morning, I'd even think about the game until.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, yeah, the Bills are out of the playoffs.
That's right. Seriously, I must I must be growing up
or changing out. I don't know, because everybody else in
the area was like, oh this I did.
Speaker 1: It was like malays, I mean bole even said the
Wegmans he goes I was in Wegmans earlier today that
he lives in Buffalo, and he said just the mood
in Wegmans was completely morose. He's like you could just
feel it, and it is. It's interesting. I also made
me think, like, at what point does demanding greatness greatness
from any of our teams? Right? We just love the teams.
We like to watch them turn into forgetting that the
people wearing the Jerseys are actually carrying around the same
pressure as you and me. They have the same fear
self doubt that we do in our own lives, and
so as these guys are going through it, you almost
have to have that. I think there was great empathy
for Josh Allen. I think there was great empathy for
Josh Allen. But well, we'll dive a little deeper into
all this because it is it is an interesting thing,
and I just think for me, it's something that kind
of transcends just the game. I think when we look
at it as there's cracks under pressure, you know, when
you're whole and all in, you just kind of lose it.
Sometimes you lose it in public. And it's a lot.
And I you know, adulting sucks from time to time,
it just does. And being a leader can suck from
time to time.
Speaker 5: But there's no there's no better place than to be
an adult is in the NFL and in America.
Speaker 1: Yeah sure, But I mean I'm saying, like, take away
the money, take away the thing. My singular focus was
this and it didn't work out, and I was putting
it all on me, you know, And that's it. We'll
see where we go again.
Speaker 5: I felt beat for Allen, I really did. I think
Alan knew that this was it. I think that's why
he got so emotional. I think Bull is right. I
think a decision was made before that it was Super
Bowl or bust. Yeah, and I think Alan knew. And
I don't think that decision was made. I think that's
an excuse. I think it's a cop out. I think
there was a power grab. I think that somebody is
severely misinformed. I think the owner is easily manipulated. I
don't know how this guy earned six billion dollars.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, we'll take the moment. Our friend Peter
Montemerno will join us. Next. Thoughts, Oh, there's lots of thoughts,
lots of thoughts. And I have a lot of things
that they just want to bring in to just kind
of take it a little bit deeper look at because
there's so many business things that translate sports to life. Right,
You hear it more in business, but I think in
just general, I think even in schools, they should show you,
you know, persevere, this is what can happen. Persevere, don't persevere,
and this is what could happen. And I think a
lot of times sports is a great analogy. So we'll
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Speaker 8: Now my decision to bring in a new coach was
based on the results of our game In. DENVER i
want to take you in the locker room after that.
Speaker 4: GAME i looked.
Speaker 8: Around first THING i noticed was our quarterback put his
head down. CRYING i looked at all the other. PLAYERS
i looked at their faces and our. COACHES i walked
over To. Josh he didn't even ACKNOWLEDGE i was. There
first THING i said to, HIM i, said that was a.
Catch we all know What i'm talking. About he didn't acknowledge.
Me he just sat there. Sobbing he was. Listless he
had given everything he had to try to win that,
game and looking, around so did all the other players
on the. TEAM i saw the pain In josh's face
at his, presser AND i felt his. PAIN i know
we can do, better AND i know we will get.
Speaker 1: Better i'll say. This organizations don't fire people for what they've.
Done they fire people for what they no longer believe
can happen. Next AND i believe that there's been A
i don't know the confidence can become a. Ceiling it just.
Can't AND i feel like maybe, SOMEWHERE i think there
was a bit of a power. STRUGGLE i think there
are a lot of things that that went on that
was absolutely ridiculous with, this but with more on all
of this is a guy we have called him to
know and, love and he has a great. Background, tonight
his name Is Peter. Montemerno, peter how are you?
Speaker 6: Sir we bring it home for the last game of the, year, Right.
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Speaker 6: Tell YOU i love this. BACK i just figured this
out on The.
Speaker 1: Yeah there's a LOT i need to spend a little more.
Time i'm really realizing all my shortcomings On i'm Just
i'm realizing more and more like these things they're they're
there to make life. EASIER i am paying money for this,
stuff AND i don't know that you know the things very.
Well and SO i got to get to all. That
we spent a lot of, time and as we were
bringing you, on we Heard Terry pagoula's comments at the
press conference. TODAY i, LOOK i will say, this it
was a shock to. ME i don't know About, dan
that they Fired sean. McDermott, NOW i think had they
Fired sean McDermott last, year two years, AGO i feel
like the fan base may have been more it may
have been more palatable to. THEM i don't. Know but to,
me this was his best coaching job he had. Done
only because of the roster that he had and where
he got, them and how those defenses were getting run
over in the first, half and SOMEHOW i don't know
how he led he and his team of coaches led
them to really sometimes bend not break. RIGHT i mean
that was it was. Interesting so that was shocking to.
Me Had Brandon bean gotten, FIRED i wouldn't have been.
Speaker 6: Shocked, YEAH i mean that's the sentiment that you're hearing
majority is, saying, RIGHT i for, one was not. Shocked surprised,
maybe but not. Shocked how many years have The bills
endured this where they have these not just a loss
but these every loss kit you can have a, moniker you,
know it's just the organization as a, whole wide right
home run throwback thirteen. Seconds i'm calling this one the inter.
Reception that's.
Speaker 1: GOOD i think by the, Rules, peter that was an
interception IF i understand the rules, correctly And i'll try
to explain it the WAY i heard it. Explain and
you seem to know, this And dan seems to know
this is way better THAN i. Do but from WHAT i,
understand in order for it to be a, catch he
has to maintain possession through the ground or make a
football move after the. Reception so when he was, down
they're saying he went up and he came down and
his knee had. Touched but that's not a football. Move
and then he didn't survive the, ground so therefore it's an.
Interception to, me it looks like an.
Speaker 6: Interception, yeah at full, Speed, okay when you slow it
down and you slow it down and you still picture, It,
OKAY i get the. Argument, okay at full. SPEED i
do not agree with. That i'm not stopping the. GAME
i don't agree with. That, YEAH i don't like to
hear the excuse we how to keep things going for what.
Speaker 1: Well they were ten minutes in ten minutes for the next.
Game that's.
Speaker 6: THAT i hate that, ANSWER i.
Speaker 1: Know BUT i feel LIKE i. DON'T i don't think
that's been the. ANSWER i think that's been the. Conspiracy,
YEAH i don't believe that that's been the. ANSWER i
believe it's the.
Speaker 5: Conspiracy this is What Walt anderson. SAID i don't know
If Walt anderson is still connected to the.
Speaker 1: League, yeah that's what he's. DANCED i didn't know. That,
Look i'm just saying LIKE i heard that from other
people AND i went, well it make it makes. Sense
BUT i haven't.
Speaker 5: Heard the league say, that But i've heard everybody since this,
say like From Mike florio To Albert, breer the media,
going we need more transparency in the booth with the replay.
Speaker 4: Officials we need more. Transparency THE ufl does, It they
do it.
Speaker 5: Live, yeah they go right to the they go right
to The blandino and he.
Speaker 4: Reviews he.
Speaker 5: Reviews the call by himself on camera was absolute.
Speaker 1: Transparency Jean Sarrators Jean sarrators said this week that he
believes that they should there should be a rule as
to what speed they can slow it down, to because
when you get to one one hundredth it looks like
a catch like or something like, that which was. Ridiculous but,
like if it didn't survive the ground and it hit the,
ground then it's not a reception or an, interception is
WHAT i would. Think if it didn't, survive, right.
Speaker 6: It didn't hit the. Ground, though that's the. Thing the
ball never hit the.
Speaker 1: Ground, okay, okay so he never survived the ground with.
Speaker 5: It but if you're making a sliding catch and your
knee hits the, ground you go out of.
Speaker 4: Bounds, yes what's the football.
Speaker 5: Move when did you make the football move after you
hold possession and your kne hit the ground and none
you slid out of. Bounds well he's, sliding so that's a.
CATCH i, mean we have. Precedens my argument is not the. Replay,
no my argument is we have precedents for great. Argument,
again another reason to bring in a lawyer Like greg and.
EXPLAIN i, mean you have to have you have to
have precedence for, this and we. Do last year In
Kansas city that was a. Catch this year it's an.
Interception then the then the next day And troy am
everybody or?
Speaker 1: Not was?
Speaker 7: It?
Speaker 5: No it was It Collinsworth colesworth alluded to it with
The rams gamee oh Oh, Buffalo, YEAH i feel.
Speaker 6: Now now it was the Des bryant, catch, right non.
Catch now it's The buffalo. Cut now everybody's gonna be
think every single thing that happens now from here on,
end they're going to point back to this inter. Reception
now we're to. Highlight now we're the you, know the
butther of the joe now again again and again and.
Again but here's my, point AND i want to make
Sure i'm clear on. This whether you could debate this
catch thing until the cows come. Home buffalo played themselves
into that.
Speaker 1: POSITION i agree with. That if you.
Speaker 5: Allowed the referees to throw a chair shot at, you
guess what they will.
Speaker 6: They will and they got they were in a position
where they made the refs.
Speaker 1: Relevant, yeah, well you know, what that's unfortunate and you
are correct in. That AND i And danny we're talking about,
this and most of this podcast is. This Josh allen
was both the worst and the best player on the
field that. Day you, know your, heart your heart breaks
for the. Guy but let me go to the firing
because that that's like the fresher news a little bit,
here and it leaves the. Organization the game.
Speaker 4: Is almost irrelevant at this point other than the fact, that,
yeah other than it was the catapult for the, firing right.
Speaker 1: Supposedly but winning records can hide, stagnation and they can
hide stagnation in, business they can hide stagnation in. Relationships
FOR i, mean, LIKE i think we can all relate
to careers personal. Growth winning records can hide. Stagnation and
it does feel like while there's been a tremendous trajectory
from the Time sean McDermott entered One bill's. Drive till,
now there seems to have been a plateau at some
point in every, season AND i don't know if that's
directly related to him or. Not there's been times we've
questioned his handling of the clock and all kinds of.
Things so what do you.
Speaker 6: Think game management, decisions handling the? CLOCK i compare him
right now To Marty. Schottenheimer, Yeah Marty schottenheimer is never
going to see The hall Of. Fame, yeah the amount
of wins that he had in his career and everywhere
he went he was able to, achieve, right but you,
Know denver crushed. Him you know his heart was broken
By denver a few times when he was In cleveland three?
Speaker 4: Times how many, Times danny three? Times three?
Speaker 6: Times?
Speaker 4: Right the, drive the fumble and then they just got
beat out right in eighty.
Speaker 6: Nine, yeah, Right so great. Coach Marty schottenheimer was a great.
Coach but will he be revered in history as A
hall Of? Famer? No AND i think mcdermot's under the
same guys unless he continues his career in THE. NFL
i personally think he's going to go to. College really
my personal, YEAH i do HAVE i just have a
with the reaction of the. Players leader of, men, yes
but you know you're also a leader Of petulan. Children
a little bit in THE nfl with these contracts they,
have and now college has changed a, bit BUT i
see him more of a galvanizing a college.
Speaker 1: Team it's interesting, because as you say, THAT i can
see it, Too.
Speaker 4: Danny, YEAH i definitely could see.
Speaker 7: It.
Speaker 5: YEAH i just don't know if there's a job open
right now unless somebody gets plucked out of college and
goes to THE nfl right.
Speaker 4: THAT i could see mcdor doing that.
Speaker 5: Spot because remember three weeks, ago there was no there
was there was no openings in college. Football then In
michigan all that that situation With Sharon moore and the
dude From utah who swore up and down he's sixty
two years, old that never leave In.
Speaker 4: Utah, Oh, Michigan, okay and.
Speaker 5: All of a, Sudden winningham is going to resurrect The
wolverines uh football.
Speaker 4: PROGRAM i, mean BUT i mean that's a. POSSIBILITY i thought.
Speaker 6: THAT i though it was interesting in his in his
letter to The Buffalo bills fans in the community where
he said we'll always have a place in our hearts For.
Buffalo will Miss. Buffalo he's, already he's. Gone he doesn't
even want to be here. Anymore he doesn't want to
be in the community. Anymore that when he, said will Miss,
buffalo he's. Done you, know you usually. Here you, know
we love our. Community we're going to stay here for the. Kids.
Whatever he's leaving the. Community and that to me was pretty.
Telling that to me was pretty.
Speaker 1: TOLLING i can't imagine that this guy isn't going to
get a record, THERE i mean a record a job.
There but here's the thing THAT i think that a
lot of, people AND i AND i just to make
the connection between sports and, LIFE i think many many
people the danger is in mistaken consistency for. Growth and
while the team has been fairly consistent in making the
playoffs and consistent in at getting deeper into the playoffs
at least past the wild, card right for the most
part in the number of years that he's been, there
there hasn't been the. Growth and still we can say
the roster and all. That but to, me When, GOD
i believe explanations under pressure revealed priorities so much, so
AND i think that when you've got the owner of
the team up there under tremendous. Pressure don't forget they
put out a press release late and it was a
fucking disaster With.
Speaker 4: Admiral an admirable. Job admiral, which by the, way admirable
job is so.
Speaker 5: Understated, yes for a dude who went ninety eight and
fifty and resurrected a.
Speaker 4: FRANCHISE i, mean you want to talk about the opposite.
Speaker 5: Of the, Drought sean mcderbott was basically almost if you'd
Wont Super, bowls that would be the exact opposite of the. Drought,
yes but they went seventeen years without making the. Playoffs
all of a, Sudden he's made the playoffs eight and
eight times in non nine, seasons with the one season
being a reset year after they made the playoffs the
year before with a talent let's.
Speaker 1: Roster but when you're gonna put something out and people,
go well didn't they spell, check that's gonna come up
fine on.
Speaker 4: Spellcheck, yeah oh, yeah it's not a spell. Checkthing that's
a thing.
Speaker 5: Correctly by the, way here's what other people missed about
proof reading.
Speaker 1: Thing how do you use a high level. Organization here's
the here's the.
Speaker 5: Thing here's the best part, Though but the title Said
bills announced the firing Of sean.
Speaker 4: Announced, No, no the announcement is in the press. Release
so they got it.
Speaker 6: Wrong, terrible that's. Terrible.
Speaker 5: Yeah and Then i've always, said like media relations in
public relations is the bastard child of the journalism. Industry
it's where all the like like the kids who can't
write to go to don be sick of.
Speaker 6: Fans, yeah and you know you have to spend. It
you have to fake, it, Right and.
Speaker 4: That's the evidence right.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 1: Sure and and, LOOK i feel Like terry got up
there and he over explained, things AND I i believe This,
Peter And peter's a business guy as well as a
sports minded. Guy And danny has certainly been around. STUFF
i wouldn't call you a business. GUY i would call
you a creative.
Speaker 4: Guy is that?
Speaker 1: Fair? YEAH i did not not an, insult get BUT
i just would SAY i believe credibility eroads when a
narrative lags behind the. Reality in other, words you fired the,
guy you put him out, late and you put out
a sloppy press. Release that's a sloppy press. Reise no matter,
what you can't have admiral and you can't have what was?
IT i didn't catch this Point bill's.
Speaker 4: Announced, yeah, yeah so you can't have. That we did
this twenty minutes. Ago but here you, go.
Speaker 1: Right and and SO i just think when your story isn't,
ready trust drains, fast and the story wasn't.
Speaker 6: READY i agree with, That, bill BUT i look at this.
Today the optics of this were. Terrible, yeah you put
an owner out there who never is IN i shouldn't
say rarely is in that. Situation all, right this is
a major moment In Buffalo bill's.
Speaker 1: History.
Speaker 6: Major he's in front of the, press and yes he
was calm and he delivered. Well but it's just it's
not going to go well with in that forum when
you ask an owner who owns the, team AND i
get look how Polished Brandon bean is from a just
from a you're speaking right or he's. Not AND i
Understand terry because he made the decision wanted to be,
there AND i think the fallback would have been worse
if he didn't show. Up WHAT i did to.
Speaker 1: Ship don't, interrupt don't be you know What i'm, Saying,
like have a little.
Speaker 6: BIT i GET i get.
Speaker 1: IT i, MEAN i Know Jerry, jones but there's a, precedent,
right there's a precedent to. Us, yes you, say but
this isn't. That and it's, like come, on, man come
off more. POLISHED i, look people don't need to be
to make perfect, Decisions, PETER i really don't think. That
but they need to make coherent.
Speaker 9: Ones, agreed, Agreed AND i don't.
Speaker 6: Feel like that co into something That's i'm probably splitting hairs,
here BUT i feel like he's a, smart very smart.
Speaker 1: Man of course he.
Speaker 7: Is he's a.
Speaker 6: Billionaire he used the word. Today is the reason Why
i'm going to. Paraphrase the reason why he Fired josh
was based upon Fired sean was based upon the results
results of The denver. Game there's one, result the. Loss,
WELL i wonder in the. Game, well here's WHERE i
want to go with. This he's not watching the game by. Himself,
no he's watching it with Probably. Brandon and when certain
things are, happening certain results in the, game someone's out of,
position they're not doing the right. Thing the assignment was,
wrong the pre snap. Penalty i'm telling, you this is
not something with those two professionals whose jobs are on
the line with this type of. GAME i Think brandon
had a lot to say during the game that stuck With.
Terry and then the final the straw that broke The
campbell's back was the emotional sieve within the in the
in the locker room after that that led him to
that decision right or. Wrong that's what led that.
Speaker 1: WELL i think stress reveals cracks in ANYTHING i really.
Do AND i would also say sometimes to, me AS
i thought about the sloppy press, RELEASE i, go sloppiness
sometimes is rarely. Accidental it's almost like they just didn't
care in a way it was time to move. ON
i feel like there was some real infighting there because
we Had rich the Bulgenz laurn earlier this week and
he said during that, TIME i believe this decision was
made five weeks. Ago and then the next day it
comes out that there was a meeting five weeks ago
Where sean said we don't have the roster to get
to the, end AND i think he was pointing the
finger of Blaming, brandon and So brandon sat. There probably
to your, point you, know you watch the game together
and these things come, out but when the moment matters
most the system shows itself and you can take that to,
families you could take that to, business you could take
it to, institutions, companies. Whatever AND i think it sort
of showed itself here that there's been infighting between the
coach and THE, gm, who by the, way we're a great,
tandem and we believe that That brandon came because Of.
Sean sean Wanted.
Speaker 6: Brandon but the problem that this all the wheels were in.
Motion when you have the head coach and the general
manager both report to the, owner he doesn't really have
an experience in the game of. Football coach wants a coach,
player that's. It he wants the best, players wants coach.
Him that's. It doesn't want to deal with cap doesn't
want to deal with. Business that's. IT a good coach
doesn't care about any of. That. Right then you have
THE gm who handles all, that and really is you,
KNOW i often wonder is A gm? Necessary?
Speaker 1: SURE i, MEAN i hear you if you had people
that because everybody that.
Speaker 5: Guy, WELL i think A gm is necessary in this regard.
Speaker 6: Somebody, now Now i'm not talking twenty years. Ago i'm
Talking i'm talking now in the way THAT i.
Speaker 4: STILL i still think one is.
Speaker 5: Necessary here's, why and you're going to see it now
with The, bills whether we like it or. Not we
didn't expect to see it like. This for most of
us thought That sean McDermott had the ear Of Terry,
pagoula that the pecking order Went Terry Sean. Brandon we
have just learned in the last seventy two ninety six
hours that they both directly reported To. Terry now that
was not. Disclosed nobody knew. That we thought That sean
had the power Because sewan's the one who brought In
Brandon bean to be the general. Manager, hence who is
the guy of the final say if THE, nfl, like
there's this rule like like if let's, say if The
bills Wanted Mike, tomlin The bills would have to offer
compensation to The. Browns i'm sorry for the to The
steelers For Mike. Tomlin Why Because Mike tomlin was the decision,
maker the official decision maker of The Pittsburgh. Steelers belichick
was the official decision maker of the of The. Patriots
the official decision maker The Buffalo bills Was sean. McDermott
it Wasn't Brandon, Bean, Okay so now When Brandon bean
goes out and, says you, know, hey, Look i'll get
everybody That sean McDermott. Wants, Ultimately sean McDermott would have
the final say if that were the, Case, somebody if
that were the, case somebody's got to be in charge
of the organization to look out long. Term because coaches
fall in love with. Players general managers have to think
in longer. Terms they can't, look, guys, guys, no we.
Can't we can't just fix this. Year we got to
think in terms of twenty twenty, seven twenty twenty. Eight
and if you, Remember Brandon bean like whiffed on some
trades and said he, tried and then goes and volunteers
the information To Tom Pella sero that, HEY i was
offering a first round of for twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Seven The dolphins won on one for twenty twenty, six
and we're.
Speaker 7: Like.
Speaker 4: And you didn't pull the, trigger you didn't go out
and get.
Speaker 5: Him why is he thinking in longer terms in this
case unless he had a hunch that somebody was on
his way out and he had his mindset on the.
Speaker 1: Future, well the point you're showing, here, right it was
almost like an infighting or an Opportunistic, yeah we see
the sloppiness in the press. Release we see kind of
the H i don't want to say, fumbling but the
EMOTIONAL i Thought terry pagoul as a, leader was emotional.
There it was somewhat for some frustration and. Anger they made.
Speaker 5: It they made it sound like Like sean was like
persona non, grata like.
Speaker 6: Nothing, yes they, did AND i thought that we were thank. You.
Right we all saw the cracks back when it was
right after the, draft When Brandon bean was asked by the,
media do you have a Super bowl caliber? Roster, yes
asked the same question. McDermott he, SAID i love these players.
Speaker 1: Right, Right so you got. It And i'm telling you
these aren't separate. Stories they're not separate. Stores they're not to,
Me they're the same pattern showing up at different. Levels
you've got the same guys kind of doing the same
sort of. Thing there's no real, communication there's no great
communication for this press release to come. Out there's no
great communication to Pull terry.
Speaker 5: Back and it sounds, LIKE i, mean it sounds, like
if If bull is, correct that they wanted to get
rid of this, dude that, This this decision was made
five weeks, ago and all of a, sudden this press
release comes. Out you got two guys who have been.
Elevated people have been huddling for a while about. This
And terry later, said when when When Brandon bee was
asked about a power play By Joe biscalia from The
athletic and Then terry and Then Brandon beans talking about
how his wife has had tears in her, eyes, which,
yeah wait to throw your wife under a, Bus Jack
asker and the, right don't bring your wife into.
Speaker 4: This and Then Terry.
Speaker 1: Terry and tell me how she. Sounded and Then.
Speaker 5: Terry's, like you, Know terry's, like if anybody tries to
pull a power play and with, me they're. OUT i
wonder if that was if they looked at it and
Says sean trying to pull a power play, Here, yeah
and that's why they.
Speaker 4: Fired but just come out and say. It come out
and say.
Speaker 1: That but to, me there was no real emotional containment in.
This AND i think when that, happens chaos kind of
follows performance follows.
Speaker 6: Performance that's, fair but there's only one, PERSON i, TRUST
i guess multiple people on a team when it comes
to evaluating. Talent and that's THE i think the coaching,
staff because they're with the players every single, day they.
Speaker 1: AGREE i.
Speaker 6: AGREE i understand THE gm has to, pick but there
has to be there has to be a synergy between
YOUR gm and your coach has to. Be it goes
back to The Bill parcells. Quote you, know if you're
gonna let? It how did that quote? Go, Danny you're
better with the?
Speaker 4: Quote which one was?
Speaker 5: It, like if you're gonna let the guy cook the,
meal you might want them let him buy the.
Speaker 4: Groceries is that the?
Speaker 1: One or is?
Speaker 4: It you are what your record, says you are.
Speaker 6: No, one no one the groceries the groce case part,
Right so you got you gotta, have you don't have
if you do not have an agreement on a. Roster
there that is a recipe for. Disaster CAN i talk
a little bit about scary, today but CAN.
Speaker 5: I talk a little bit about the groceries real? Quick
sure the last five plays of this, game you're ready for,
this listen to these. Groceries, okay you Had Mikole harmon
drop a.
Speaker 4: Pass it was a little, low but he but ball
it off right.
Speaker 1: Right the.
Speaker 5: Guy the guy was not on AN nfl roster until
he signed with The bills this.
Speaker 4: Year, okay and it was a desperation.
Speaker 5: Signing Then Brandon cooks the interreception, right say what you.
Speaker 4: Want the ball was ripped out of his.
Speaker 5: Chest, okay that's another guy that they had to get
as a cast off as a free. Agent then the next,
play which Is denver's, Ball HARVEY. R. J harvey breaks
off a twenty yarder And Shaq, thompson another signing cast off,
signing Catch duke out of his.
Speaker 4: Socks Then Joey, bosa If Tara.
Speaker 5: Johnson doesn't get called for pass, Interference Joey bosa is
gonna get nailed for a fifteen yardists for unsportsman like
conduct roughing the.
Speaker 4: Passer those were the guys.
Speaker 6: Salty joey's would have been fifteen there in field goal,
range right, there.
Speaker 5: Right, right and then and THEN i didn't think that
was a pass interference with with with with With Tray.
White but either, way those were five guys that shouldn't
be on the roster that were on the roster because
you can't, draft and those five guys helped bury you
In denver On saturday.
Speaker 1: Night, well this was my feeling and that a lot
of the guys who were starting For buffalo wouldn't be
starters on OTHER nfl. Rosters and, right despite all, that
that's WHY i said it was the best coaching job
McDermott had. Done, yeah they went to overtime AND i get,
it five. Turnovers josh played, awful then he played. Great,
right IT'S i. DON'T i don't know, it AND i.
Speaker 6: DO i, do LIKE i did like What bean said
today about, you BECAUSE i think in McDermott's, scheme they
tried to fit the player into the. Scheme, YES i
did like What bean. Said you, know you're going to
have a coach that may come in here and say
we got to run a three four and here's. Why
and then we got to run more of a zone
running scheme instead of a gap running. Scheme and here's.
WHY i respect. That that's A gm listening to a head.
Coach if if McDermot doug his heels in on, THAT
i respect that. Too but do you at some point
there's a Miss he says we're going to run, this
but you got to draft guys that are like this
and it's not. WORKING i, mean the worst PLAY i
watched the film last, night way too. Long the worst
player on the. FIELD i know we talked About Josh
allen being the worst player and the best. Player the
worst player on the. FIELD i will go To grace saying.
It i'll show you proof of it With Joey. Bosa,
awful absolutely and equivocally horrible because he's doing his one.
Eleven he wasn't performing his one. Eleven he wasn't doing his.
Job he was trying to do way too. Much he
was out of, position he was doing things that should
this far into the. Season why isn't the coach being held?
Accountable why for defensive line play like that At oliver same. Thing,
yeah he hasn't played in well and he understands what
gap integrity. Is he wasn't per forming at a high.
Level they're opening up wide passing lanes for knicks to
step up and see the entire field because most of
the decides to go inside with no help in the.
Outside and this is Not we're not talking about a. Stunt,
no you know what the stunt's. Happening it. Was it
was gregious how Poorly bosa.
Speaker 1: Played so This i'm hearing you talk in my, MIND
i go, okay so The bills didn't. Collapse what happened
here is they revealed the limits of their current. System yeah,
right the limits of your current. System even to your,
point where where's the coach not kind of Grabbing bosa
by the? FACE i don't think you're going to do
that to a professional. Player it used to happen to,
me but they would drink you by the face mask
or at least pull you. Aside go, bosam what are we?
Doing this is what we're? Seeing and show him On
they have the, tablets they've got the.
Speaker 4: Stuff show them, right you're seeing in real?
Speaker 6: Time, YEAH i, MEAN i was so angry last night watching.
IT i can't even imagine what the coaches are, because
and again it's not the first time this has. Happened
this has happened throughout the entire. Season so why aren't
the coaches the line, coach defensive Coordinator sean mcderbott holding
some coach accountable or their players play? Position coach number?
ONE i don't get that.
Speaker 1: Question for, YOU i, wondered AND i AND i don't.
Know And i'm gonna still have him as number one
on my next coach of The Buffalo. Bills followed BY
i have a number, two and the first one is
Does Joe brady who's been interviewed and a lot of
people go hey. On he's been interviewed for head coaching
jobs by two or three other. TEAMS i don't know
how far into the interview process he's he's. Gotten but
could there be things where we know there was fighting
Between sean McDermott And Brian. DABLE i think at one
point it caught, it BUT i had heard that there
was like a, disagreement AND i wonder if If sean
was like not Allowing Because sean, McDermott if you look at,
him he seems a little uptight or tight. Tight he
keeps things close to the. BEST i think that translates
to the style of coaching he. Had he they played, tight.
Speaker 6: Yess have Been they played, tight.
Speaker 1: AND i AND i do so like when we SAY
i could see him being fired last, year but this
YEAR i didn't expect. It that's that's. It, However, well
here we, are does somebody who knows the players has
a great relationship With josh is already in the. Building
you've got an organization that's promoting people, anyway Is Joe
brady the worst pick for a head. Coach offensive mind
a head. Coach do we know the capabilities of this.
GUY i didn't know the capabilities of. McDaniels And i'm
hearing he's an offensive genius from.
Speaker 6: PEOPLE i want to see more of a feel for the,
game AND i don't get that from. Him, okay and
WHAT i, Mean i'll give you an, example and it's
a small. Example but when you look at the turnover the?
Sack was it the? Sack?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 6: Now when When walker got the? Interception defensive Mine walker
intercepted In denver territory in the third quarter right the next.
Play this is called a sudden. Change that's the. Terminology
teams used sudden, change you know defense five or the
offensivelys out. There they weren't. Prepared it was a. Turnover
the old adage is go for the end. Zone momentum
is on your, side go for. It he throws a
bubble screen for a five yard, loss and then the
next Play Josh allen throw was an interception at five yard.
Line it's the feel of the. GAME i don't. THAT
i don't feel that this coaching staff and all of
the individuals in it had a feel for situational. Football
and that was the biggest rub against this staff this.
Year and that was just one example of MANY i
could probably speak, to But i'd have to sit down.
Speaker 1: And, WELL i, mean look AS i AS i said,
before you, know this all revealed the limits of their current,
system AND i think the question is this still? Working
shows up? Everywhere, RIGHT i mean that shows up.
Speaker 6: EVERYBODY i think we AND i think you need a
coach that's going to Drive Josh, allen do YOU i
don't want. TO i don't want a. Friend, YEAH i
want him to be. Driven that is that at a
level for?
Speaker 1: Him is that A Brian? Dable?
Speaker 6: YES i could see. THAT i wouldn't. BE i wouldn't.
Be he knows the, building he knows.
Speaker 1: The, culture and he Knows josh and he was there
For josh's.
Speaker 6: Ascension he really helped Build Josh. Allen there's no question
more Than dorsey.
Speaker 7: Did for.
Speaker 6: Sure you Know dorsey WAS qb, coach but it was
DAY i Remember Josh allen had an interview talking about
How dabel got you, know in his ear and screaming at.
Him and you, KNOW i Think josh needs that a little.
BIT i still think he's a little bit of a puppy.
Dog AND i don't think he'll fold under. THAT i
DON'T i personally don't want a young. GUY i want
a season coach that will demand excellent in oude of.
Everybody they just got to get over the, hump you.
Know but there's more to it than. That they're, close
but they're not that.
Speaker 1: CLOSE i feel like they've hit a. PLATEAU i really.
Do it's, like you, know they're just not getting, over
as we, say the proverbial. Hump who would that be
in your? Mind or do you have a?
Speaker 7: Name peter.
Speaker 1: Head? Coach, yeah.
Speaker 6: Will be one. Guy and then you, know what's who's
the guy in who's the guy In minnesota right? Now THE?
Speaker 1: Dc?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 4: UH i know you're talking about he's so in THE.
Nfl still he was the head. Coach he was the
head coach At Flores Brian Flores.
Speaker 6: Flores, yeah you, Know i've heard so many names.
Speaker 1: Today you.
Speaker 6: Know, UNFORTUNATELY i, think, uh who's the the who's the
stop gap Between Rex ryan And? UH i don't even.
Know that's another. Thing get rid of this rooney. RULE i,
mean come on to, me IT'S i think it's racist
as it is and you're talking THE nfl is. HYPOCRITICAL i,
mean they're just giving these token interviews to to a
piece of. Rule come, on you, know it's about it's
the body of, work your, product not not not the
color of your, skin but any of. It i'm probably
gonna catch flak for, that BUT i don't really care
BECAUSE i believe in, it AND i think that the
names on that List bill talk about this Genius jacksonville
thirty years. OLD i don't want that right. Now for,
GOSH i don't want to bluddy. BUDDY i don't want
a guy's Gonna it's got to be a, professional you,
know like Like belichick And brady didn't hang. Out, no
not Only Josh daniels And brady hung out. RIGHT i
think it was all, professionals all, business and then it
resulted in how many. Championships if you could.
Speaker 5: Spot the next, McVeigh then, Yes i'm all for. It
whether That's Clint kubiak or whether That's Grant, udinsky we don't.
Know and nobody expected McVeigh to be. McVeigh he came
out Of. Washington it was kind of a surprise hire
that all of a, sudden the, world The rams take,
off he's Got Jared goff playing football and, said, whoa
this guy was really no his.
Speaker 4: Stuff you never know who you're gonna. COVER i would
try to interview.
Speaker 5: Everybody that's not gonna be possible considering the way the
playoffs are going to go. Out BUT i did hear
somebody say, today you got to get somebody with a. Ring,
okay that is a very select list of. People IF
i name, them he'd be, LIKE i don't want that
guy ALL i don't want that. GUY a lot of
want that. GUY i, Mean gruden's never going to coach
in THE nfl. Again he's got a lawsuit against the
league right now and it's making. Traction, okay that could
Be John Bill. Belichick he's become a train, wreck all,
Right Mike, tomlin you got to trade for. Him it'll
be like it'll be like worse than having mcgermott because
he just, no.
Speaker 4: He's just, no he's. Not he's not that. Guy, uh
the dude in.
Speaker 6: PHILM i wouldn't Want belichick's girl Anywhere New.
Speaker 4: York, no, no, no it would be it would be a.
Speaker 5: Disaster and then then there's then there's the dude from
h who won The Super bowl With Philadelphia. Peterson you
know he flamed out In. Jacksonville he's not the answer.
Either who you got? Left Bill, Cower bill kwer asn't
coach in twenty? Years, YEAH i, mean what do we
what do?
Speaker 4: We what do we?
Speaker 5: Say then McCarthy With Green bay In, Dallas, well.
Speaker 1: He already got. Hired mike McCarthy got hired by The.
Speaker 5: Steelers, oh he is The steelers head. Coach oh that's. Official, yeah,
OKAY i didn't know.
Speaker 6: That SO i mean that they're not going to the
playoffs next. Year So Bruce, Arians.
Speaker 5: BRUCE i would Love Gross, arians BUT i don't Think
Bruce arians at seventy three years.
Speaker 6: Old on's come to buffaluhat show yesterday he trashed being
in its.
Speaker 4: Bill they're the laughing stock of the. League this is
What i'm.
Speaker 1: Saying it's like, again but it just it's every at every. Level,
Right it's the same pattern at every, level and it
feels like the same kind of pattern that we've seen
With buffalo for.
Speaker 4: Y yeah It's Russ Brandon.
Speaker 6: Bean but remember when when McDermot got, Highed.
Speaker 1: Yes who is this want this?
Speaker 6: Job who's gonna want this? Job it was. Awful After rex,
left it was a Circuits It's Banana republic and mcdermomy had. Leverage,
yep it's LIKE i want to report to, you you're
Gonna you're gonna get A gm. Member whaley was fired
the day after the. Draft they used him for the.
Draft you wonder if this is possible. Here, no it's
not where you don't think.
Speaker 5: So, No, no they wouldn't have elevated enough team. President he,
said he said today he's still gonna run the. Draft
he's still gonna be the general. Manager so they're not
going to bring in A gm Underneath Brandon. Bean Brandon
bean is now The they've only had five team presidents in,
history And Brandon bean is now the.
Speaker 4: Fifth All, right it's not an impressive.
Speaker 1: List, peter any closing. COMMENTS i know our Friend juice
looking like a jumper, lumberjack has been sitting here for a.
WHILE i ran into technical problems and uh it delayed
us a little.
Speaker 6: Bit BUT i appreciate you guys letting me do this every.
Week it's been a lot going. On, Hopefully uh you,
know next year you want me back and back in
the new, stadium new coach Super. BOWL i THINK i
Think danny you said it after Seeing josh the way
he reacted on the.
Speaker 4: Podium not hyperbole.
Speaker 6: Either no Super bowl next, year.
Speaker 1: Okay no. Doubt all, RIGHT i love. IT i love.
IT i Think i've been leaning Either brady followed By.
Dable Maybe i'll switch that. Order day will and if,
Not day will break. IT i don't know, WHY i
just in my, Head i'm GOING i could see that.
HAPPENING i don't think it's the right, thing but what
DO i.
Speaker 5: Know i'll tell you after this. Week whatever we, thought we,
know we could throw it out the. Window we don't
know show.
Speaker 1: True all, right we'll talk to, You. Peter let's have
you on some time in the off. Season and you,
KNOW i think that here's SOMETHING i, noticed and just
mow this over in your. Mind i'm seeing like where
players in a lot of the leagues have become buddy.
Buddy they've got jersey, exchanges they work out together in the.
Offseason they do all. That but, slowly but, surely that
competitive go fuck yourself is coming, back, right and it's
being led by WHAT i believe is not WHAT i.
Believe who was the number one draft picked in the
twenty eighteen draft that Included Josh allen and that would
Be Baker. Mayfield Baker mayfield sent a put out a
tweet About Kevin stefanski, GOING i didn't even get a,
reason a thank, you a not a fucking thing from that,
guy AND i was shipped off. Unceremoniously i'm. PARAPHRASE i
think he's like a load of shit or. Something. Uh
and it Was Deshaun watson who they decided was going
to be the answer to. This we know how that worked,
out and he, GOES i can't wait to see you
twice a, season, coach because he is now the head
Coach Kevin stefanski of The Atlanta falcons and, right and
so there is something about that kind of THAT i
think is starting to kind of come back in the.
LEAGUE i thought this, was don't. YOU i thought there
was more LIKE i thought there was chippiness in these.
GAMES i thought there's guys getting at each other and.
Speaker 6: The end of the, game you lose a game and
you're on the, field you, know you're shaking.
Speaker 1: HAND i think it's amazing that you can do. THAT
i just never had it in me to be that like.
Kumbaya and you, know, look some guys can and probably always,
could but it's those other, guys those. WARRIORS i, mean
you just spilled your guts out, there you, know and
UH i think there wasn't there even a fight in
one of the games that led over to the sideline
and they're trying to separate players and.
Speaker 4: Oh, YEAH i mean, yeah there're getting more of. THAT
i mant to see more.
Speaker 5: W w style promos, too before and after games.
Speaker 6: Camp oh, yeah you bring it, back all, Right, Peter thank, you,
Buddy Thanks.
Speaker 1: Peter thanks, Guys i'll see you all. Right we'll take a.
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Speaker 7: Burnout.
Speaker 1: YEAH i can't, Wait SEE i can't.
Speaker 10: Wait, yeah come, On Danny, NOW i said To dan
while we were getting ready to Bring juice on.
Speaker 1: HERE i, said, uh that the ONE i do feel
bad for a player THAT i. Take if you can
do Your Greg connor's, IMPRESSION i want you to go
off and Meet Greg connors style for What i'm about to.
Say if there's a PLAYER i feel bad for Beyond Josh,
ALLEN i feel a little bit bad For Keon. Coleman.
Now he didn't show up the practices and so that's
why he was. Suspended he didn't have a great, Season
but to have everybody like the owner of the team
grabbed the mic during a press, conference pull it over and, go,
uh he didn't WANT Gm Brandon Bryant bean didn't Want. Coleman,
Right If I'm Keon, COLEMAN i hope that lights a
fire under his fucking. Ass and then he comes back and,
goes how do you like?
Speaker 6: Me?
Speaker 7: Now you like?
Speaker 4: IT i hope you're? Right AND i would you want
me to? Answer Is Greg?
Speaker 1: Connors? Yeah Well Greg connors just would always go what
he's wrong with? You you, know here's the, Problem.
Speaker 4: Billy he's gonna train With Ocho. SINKO i hope he
lights a fire on.
Speaker 5: It but you, know as a former defensive, BACK i
see some technique issues With kean that he needs the work.
Speaker 4: ON i, mean he dropped the.
Speaker 5: Touchdown it wouldn't have counted, anyway but he did drop a.
Touchdown in the, ANSWER i mean that was a.
Speaker 4: Shit he got another.
Speaker 1: One oh, GOD i don't.
Speaker 5: KNOW i JUST i just can't believe they actually think
this is A Super bowl caliber.
Speaker 4: ROSTER i just.
Speaker 5: CAN'T i can't get my head around. That something else
must have happened for. Them who dismiss McDermott and issue
a crappy press release send a thank you over social
media twenty four hours later and then do another video
twenty four hours after. That WHEN i, mean it's like
it took you that long to compile this.
Speaker 1: Stuff this is What i'm, saying that, too is part
of the crappy operations. Sloppiness BUT i don't think that's.
ACCIDENTAL i think that was a middle. Finger AND i
almost AND i know that no organization wants to be
called out for having ADMIRABLE i mean admiral instead of.
Admirable and what was the other?
Speaker 5: One, oh they announced The Buffalo bills announced That sean
mcdermery's they're doing it in the announcement is, yeah.
Speaker 4: RIGHT i mean that's just grammar one on one.
Speaker 1: Right BUT i AND i know like these things are,
rushed it's, quick there's a lot of. Pressure people are going,
quick and if you run it through spell, check every
one of those words comes out spelled. Correctly you got
to do your Job beyond. That this is WHERE i
THINK ai won't take over the world. Always although, HEY
i probably would have fixed that or wrote it. BETTER
i JUST i. DON'T i just think that those things
aren't necessarily. ACCIDENTAL i think in a, way subconsciously or something,
else it is a middle finger To sean, McDermott because
you were the guy saying this wasn't my. Fault you
gave me shitty.
Speaker 4: PLAYERS i don't, know but both things can't be.
Speaker 5: True either he did a he was a hell of
a job and he had a crappy, roster or he
had a great roster and he did a crappy. Job,
okay so just just come out and say that they,
could you.
Speaker 4: Know but here we, Are Juice.
Speaker 1: Fields looking like a lumberjack. Today, Hello. JUICE i know
you look good. THOUGH i like. It you know you
could be out there chopping wood and drinking the. BEERS
i know we're running a little. LATE i ran into
some technical difficulties here in the studio with power and.
Speaker 9: All, Good we're.
Speaker 1: Good how'd you do last? WEEK i didn't really pay.
ATTENTION i was so sort of bummed out about the
loss THAT i didn't focus on much.
Speaker 9: Else, dan how'd we?
Speaker 4: Do, Actually i'm trying to look that up right.
Speaker 1: Now, well you did say The, rams AND i was,
nervous and The rams did.
Speaker 5: It you said the under with The bills, game so
that that was a loss because they went definitely went.
Speaker 9: Over, Yeah Blake korum did not score a. Touchdown he did.
Speaker 4: NOT i was very. DISAPPOINTED i was looking forward to.
THAT i put money on that AND i.
Speaker 9: Didn't AND i was on The. TEXANS i didn't.
Speaker 6: Know C.
Speaker 9: J stroud sucked so.
Speaker 4: Bad, well he didn't watch the previous.
Speaker 9: Games and he's been.
Speaker 1: Terrible it's, interesting, right how guys perform in big. Moments
and one of the most exciting plays of the entire
twenty twenty five now twenty twenty sixth, Season oh what?
Speaker 4: HAPPENED j just went, one one and?
Speaker 2: Four oh because The rams that was three and a.
Speaker 9: HALF i lost by the.
Speaker 5: Hook huh, Yeah rams, lost didn't, score The bills went.
Speaker 2: Over he lost another. Miracle Caleb williams freaking, Well.
Speaker 1: Okay that's WHAT i was gonna. Say that was a
fuck amazing.
Speaker 9: That that cost cost.
Speaker 1: Us, yeah that was one to. Me that's a GUY
i don't get. That you're not getting that with C J,
stroud he, Was, Well, no C.
Speaker 9: J stroud's got intercepted for a pick, six.
Speaker 1: Right did the same exact?
Speaker 6: Thing?
Speaker 1: Well, right BUT i MEAN i looked what that, moment that,
thing it's it was just, LIKE i don't that couldn't
have been a scripted. Play that had to be something
where it's just, like, fuck we gotta do. This.
Speaker 2: Uh Caleb williams did the same thing AT. Usc he
he would just avoid, tackles you, know just get out
of all types of, situations find an open guy and
just freaking chuck. It but that situation there, though there
were FOUR ram guys going after, him and he stepped
back through it off his back leg and the guy
was wide. Open so it was a breakdown of coverage
of the rams. Too that nobody came and bad at
that ball down or intercepted was just beyond. Me and
that was quite a scene At Soldier. Field that was
really cool to.
Speaker 1: See CARE i, DRIVE i WAS i was looking OVER i,
go Didn't? Danny all, right that's all, right just, Sorry,
yeah it might be your. Chair, no he was.
Speaker 4: Drumming Oh i'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry it was me touching the. Football my dad's BECAUSE
i GOT i keep.
Speaker 4: A mic down. Below that's my. Fault, oh look at.
Speaker 1: THAT i didn't know you had a mic like.
Speaker 4: That, yeah how are we?
Speaker 1: Doing we're doing good to you sound great with that that.
Way uh, yeah you, know do you have a mic? Stand? Uh,
no we should get?
Speaker 9: Beer can we should Get.
Speaker 1: We should get you a mic stand that that would
be pretty good to get a nice set up there,
There i'll get your, stand all. Right, well so now
we're to THE Nfc championship. GAME anfc championship.
Speaker 9: Game only three games, left, guys enjoy.
Speaker 1: It only three. Football i'll tell you WHAT I i don't.
Know this is the first time in my life Where i'm,
LIKE i don't THINK i can watch another. Game AND
i did not watch like the first, half maybe three
quarters of The New england game and then, awful AND
i turned it on AND i saw the. Results you,
know it just came. Down and THEN i did have
The chicago game on WHILE i was doing other, things
AND i did catch That Caleb, williams AND i, went,
man maybe this kid is as good as advertised or
as good as he has advertised. Himself, right he said
a lot Of maybe some people will probably say, cocky
but it's certainly, confident certainly. Confident and they went.
Speaker 9: Out they got him a bunch of.
Speaker 2: WEAPONS Dj, Moore Luther, Burden Colston, lovelin like that team's
going to be good for a, while and they're all.
Young they Got Caleb williams on a rookie.
Speaker 1: Deal right.
Speaker 2: Now so this is the time to do, it and
they're going to Be The bears are going to be
really good for the next few years for.
Speaker 1: Sure so who do you like in the do we
START afc OR? Nfc start with THE. Nfc who do
you like in.
Speaker 9: The that's the second game, Though let's let's hit THE afc.
First NFC's second, Game.
Speaker 1: New england and The Denver. Broncos The Denver. Broncos The
Denver broncos without Bone nicks because at the end of
the game in, OVERTIME i think that's when he broke his.
Ankle so this.
Speaker 2: Is this is the FIRST Afc championship game in like
twenty five years that you're not going to Have Brady, Mahomes,
Roethlisberger manning Or Josh allen in the, game which is,
insane and instead you're going to Get Jared, stidham.
Speaker 1: Right And, May, Yeah Drake. May it was even.
Speaker 2: Crazier with with how freaking nuts is this season has. Been,
Uh Sam darnold's got an oblique, injury right if he
were to ever get hurt in that, Game, Uh, sunday
in the next, game could you imagine A Super bowl
if both these teams Win Jared stidham Versus Drew locke
for The Super.
Speaker 9: Bowl but that's like the greatest that's that would be believe.
Speaker 1: WHERE i come out of final. Term that's a. Yeah, well,
Look stidham was a backup Behind brady In New england
for many years and there were a lot of, people
mostly fans THAT i had heard from or heard, of
Wanted stidham to Replace brady stick with, him and they.
Speaker 2: Yes not many people know, this but When Sean payton
got To, Denver stidham was his first free agent.
Speaker 9: Acquisition he was the first guy that he picked.
Speaker 1: Up, okay so they're gonna be.
Speaker 2: Ready they're gonna be ready to, GO i think so On,
sunday which brings us to our first, Pick Denver broncos.
Plus it's four and a half now it was five
and a. Half the line has, moved but we're going
to take The Denver broncos plus four and a half On.
Sunday and a few things here with. Him with everybody being,
out everybody's rushing to Take New. England now they're going to,
say oh my, god a backup quarterback we got to.
Take you, Know New england's been killing, everybody you.
Speaker 9: Know which, whatever.
Speaker 2: Rightfully, so, however all the pressure now shifts To New
england for this game because If nicks was, starting they
would be like probably minus. Two so now he's, out
and all of a, sudden now it's The patriots opened
at plus five and a. Half so you're telling me
that Bo nix was worth like seven points to the.
Spread that's Like Josh allen in Pat mahomes type numbers.
Speaker 1: That that there's no.
Speaker 2: Way so on a numbers game, alone we got to
take The Denver broncos plus four and a. Half Sean
payton's gonna have some. Wrinkles there's there's no tape on,
him so you're gonna see you, know, uh he's gonna
chuck the.
Speaker 9: Ball and they're gonna they're gonna keep this close for.
Sure that, defense that defense will be able to keep
them in this.
Speaker 1: Game, well you don't think that who wins straight? UP
i know we're betting the spread, here but who do
you think? Wins straight?
Speaker 4: Up dannyot straight?
Speaker 1: Up straight?
Speaker 2: Up PROBABLY i would Lean New england just because BUT
i mean it would shock me if never won. This
but if you're gonna give me four and a, half
over the money. Line you, Know i'll take four and
a half all, day just BECAUSE i mean it's statistically,
speaking and you. CAN'T i, Mean New england has played
the easiest schedule in twenty five. Years now they're playing
another backup quarterback in THE Afc championship. GAME i, mean
you couldn't ask for a better setup for.
Speaker 1: Them this is, true except that you know a mile,
high which it is so.
Speaker 9: Nothing you, know that's a tough place to.
Speaker 2: PLAY i think even back with The brady years And
Brady MANNING Afc championship games When manning was In, denver
The patriots always had a tough time plan out. There
so you, KNOW i would not shock me if you're
basically at.
Speaker 1: Sea level In foxborough and you're well hu and people do,
question Did Josh allen make bad decisions in the game
because of the, altitude like just not giving enough oxygen as?
USUAL i don't know if that's necessarily. True it's not to.
Speaker 9: Poke the bear with that game. Though and this is
the only Thing i'll, say but that was an interception.
Speaker 1: By the rule and we WE'VE i think everybody agreed on,
That like in this, room.
Speaker 4: NO i thought it was A, catcher you, did, seriously
because that's that's just that's just the.
Speaker 1: Catch so you're saying by, precedent you were, saying is
a catch by president this? Season, YEAH i was going
more by the. RULE i think it Did peter. Too,
Uh BUT i think for you where you're, like, yeah
by the, rule but that's now they've been calling it all,
season which is. Fair SO i don't. Know but either,
way as you, said it shouldn't come down to the.
Speaker 5: Refs, yeah don't let the refs share shot you because they.
WILL i use that reference because it's it's a wrestling.
Speaker 4: Reference but, NO i.
Speaker 1: Happens all, Right so we go down to THE nfc
where you've got The rams and a by the, way
the two Quarterbacks Drake may and, uh what's his name
with The rams up FOR.
Speaker 4: Mvp, Yeah Matt. Stafford Matt.
Speaker 1: Stafford Matt, stafford thirty seven years, old going Against Sam.
Speaker 4: Darnold there was talk that he wasn't gonna play this
year because his back was so messed.
Speaker 1: Up you got, it and he had a pretty damn good.
Speaker 2: Season his back is held. Up he had didn't miss
a game all. Year so to, ME i Think Matt
stafford's THE mvp in terms of, yards, interceptions. TOUCHDOWNS i
mean he's got them. All but now they all.
Speaker 9: Put you, KNOW epa and all this other crap into.
Speaker 2: Into THE mvp. Voting but so who knows If mayo get.
It but IF i was, VOTING i would give it To.
STAFFORD i Think stafford gets.
Speaker 6: IT i.
Speaker 1: DO i think he gets it over MAY i think
may doesn't have the body of work That stafford. HAS
i think he's played a.
Speaker 2: Tougher stafford's schedule is twice as hard as Is Drake,
mayson who's he went Up he's went up against That
seattle team, twice right this. Year last time being they
put up six hundred yards of offense Without DeVante adams
and his left starting.
Speaker 1: Guard so that was that Was week. Sixteen, yeah that's
WHAT i. Mean so it was during the Regular, yeah
it was On.
Speaker 4: Prime it was a great.
Speaker 2: Game, yeah both of their games they played obviously, twice
they both. Split The rams won by two in the
game that they won In seattle won by one in
the game they. Won so you couldn't ask for more even.
Matchup this game is football. Porn it's going to be fucking.
Awesome all, right game.
Speaker 7: It.
Speaker 4: IS i, mean you know this is The Super. BOWL
i think this game right.
Speaker 2: Here, whatever if you could get a bet in for
like THE nfc winning The Super, bowl do. It because
whoever wins coming out of this game is going to
beat Either denver Or New.
Speaker 1: England i'll empty the clip on.
Speaker 6: That.
Speaker 1: Okay Uh, so who do you HAVE i get from
your talk that maybe straight up you like The, rams
but with the, SPREAD i don't, know don't even Need
we don't even need the spread.
Speaker 2: Here we are taking The rams plus one thirty on
the money, line lay the two and a half, points leave.
Speaker 6: It on the.
Speaker 2: Shelf you're not going to need. Them We're stafford and.
McVeigh they're just they're they're going to win this. Game The,
RAMS i just think are the better. Team they're more,
complete and we're looking At Sam donald on the other.
Side we are waiting for that ghost game AND i
think we're going to see it On SO i just
don't see him showing up That their offense has not
been great the last five. Weeks they've relied on their
defense and special, teams Which i'll give it to. Them
they have the advantage in this. Game but you, know
you're gonna have to score some points On, sunday AND
i don't think that they're going to be able to do.
Speaker 1: THAT i would be very upset If Sam donald gets
the opportunity to Super bowl Before Josh. Allen When Sam
donald was the third pick overall in the twenty eighteen
draft but bounced, around they don't know what.
Speaker 4: Happened Ian Baker mayfield were both considered. Busts it Was.
Speaker 1: BAKER i Guess baker was a. Bust is? He he
was a?
Speaker 5: Bust baker went From cleveland To, carolina To la To.
TAMPA i, mean you're a first number one overall pick
and he played them four different.
Speaker 4: Teams, RIGHT i, know he didn't make the.
Speaker 5: Playoffs his, passion he wants to talk all this smack About. Stepansky,
Yeah bucks didn't make the. PLAYOFFS i don't want to hear.
Speaker 1: IT i kind of like it, Though yeah it's.
Speaker 5: Funny, yeah, WELL i, MEAN i like today's press conference
was not, good but, man it was.
Speaker 1: Entertaining, YES i, mean and the other part with that
too Is. BAKER i always go H baker made a
mistake In, cleveland you know when he when he got
hurt trying to, tackle the interception or whatever happened. There
he should have he should have taken himself, out and he.
Didn't he tried to play through a pretty brutal injury
and did. Okay but that's a tough one AND i
think it played him out of. There AND i don't
think you, know anybody was REALLY i think he'd still
be In cleveland he sat, DOWN i really. Do but,
look whatever the guy's, got, uh he's a he's a
freaking stud when he needs to. BE i know that
they haven't, won they haven't won it got to the,
playoffs BUT i think he's just something about him that
anytime he's on the, field don't count him.
Speaker 7: Out, no not.
Speaker 1: Yet and and a lot of times the, losses even
the wins were by a puba.
Speaker 5: Care you could make an argue with The Tampa bay
would have beaten The bills had they gone for it
on that fourth. Down nut punted the ball away and
The bills just came back and. Ran WHEN i, think,
yeah they had a punt return for the touchdown and
they would have run with.
Speaker 1: It, Yeah BUT i mean he.
Speaker 2: Had to, Play he had to play so good just
to barely win, Games like you, know you, know, yeah
they were just, off you, know so for him to say,
That AND i Think stefanski's a great.
Speaker 9: COACH i think he do really well In.
Speaker 2: Atlanta if The giants didn't Land, Harbust stefanski was my
Next that's WHY i want TO i mean he, won
he he won one.
Speaker 9: Or Two coach of The year In, cleveland well twice,
twist and look who he.
Speaker 2: Had he's had nobody other than stellar, defense but offensively
he's had fucking.
Speaker 1: Nothing, Right so you're taking The. Rams? Uh so we
got A Rams New england Super bowl potentially.
Speaker 4: Rematch of twenty two thousand, One, yes.
Speaker 1: And the winner will be in your estimations.
Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, well AND i, mean you, Know seattle looks
so good On sunday and beat the ship out of The,
niners and we saw that.
Speaker 9: Coming but no team looks as good as they did
the week.
Speaker 2: Before SO i just think there's a huge misperception, that
oh my, god The, seattle this, defense AND i JUST
i love The rams On. Sunday that game is gonna be,
awesome and, uh we're gonna be locked and loaded for.
That in a little uh, note do you know Who
Sam donald's grandfather is The Marlboro, man the guy from the.
Speaker 1: Yep, really what's his, Name Dick? Hammer oh, god that's
the greatest stage name. Ever was a porn star before
he was The Marble man and just didn't make.
Speaker 9: It, yeah he's the. Mark, yeah, dude all like the
ads with the you, know the cowboy hat and the
dude with. Mustaches Sam donald's, grandfather You're.
Speaker 5: Danny's, like So i'm looking it up because The Marlboro
man came to my school to give a talk about
why smoking is.
Speaker 9: Bad, oh they probably hired Somebody Dare did? That Remember?
Speaker 7: Dare?
Speaker 1: YES i. Do But Sam. Darnold so his name Is Dick, hammer,
Right Richard? Hammer, yeah, no But Dick. Hammer you got
to call. IT i, mean what a great what a great,
Name Dick, Hammon Dick.
Speaker 5: Hammer Richard Bernard hammer was An american, athlete, firefighter and.
Speaker 4: Actor he was in The. Olympics, yeah, yeah he.
Speaker 5: Was Also he portrayed The Marlborough man in print advertisements
in the nineteen.
Speaker 4: Seventies let me, see.
Speaker 1: Do you have a, Picture, yeah, dude he.
Speaker 4: Looks he he it up to the. Camera he looks
like a Young Tony.
Speaker 1: Robbins, oh, yeah but do they have him as The Marlboro. Man,
no they don't have that.
Speaker 4: Picture they haven't played.
Speaker 9: Basketball, okay go into your old playboys in the seventies.
Speaker 7: And he don't have any of.
Speaker 1: Those, okay come, on my mom threw them all. Out you. Know,
NO i don't know what would Dick hammer.
Speaker 6: Dick?
Speaker 9: Hammer you love.
Speaker 4: THAT i JUST i love the.
Speaker 1: NAME I oh my, god IF i went to school
to name the kid named Dick, hammer that's. It and,
boy you better fucking live up to it or. Else you,
know he gets. It, oh Dick hammer as The Marlboro. Man,
yeah he's got a clining eas wood kind of look to.
Him he does as The Marlboro.
Speaker 7: Man, uh the.
Speaker 1: Mustache he looks much more Like Sam donald. There BUT.
Speaker 2: I don't even know If sam met. Him he died
like right After darneld was. Born but that's definitely his.
Speaker 4: Grandfather, yeah he was three years old when he died
or two years old when he.
Speaker 1: Died so it was so Dick hammer was tell me
what he die? Of, please somebody tell.
Speaker 5: Cancer no fucking shit years, old, shit sixty nine years.
Old sixty nine years. Old Dick hammer died of lung.
Speaker 1: Cancer, oh come, on, well you know, what, dick you look.
Good you look good for a little. WHILE i don't,
know looks, TOUGH i don't. KNOW i, mean let's cigarette
every once in a, while, man get.
Speaker 7: It you know.
Speaker 1: Why that bad go fucking Breathing. China tell?
Speaker 2: Me you know you've got to be twenty one to
buy cigarettes, now by the, Way, yeah really when they changed,
IT i thought it was always eight.
Speaker 1: NINETEEN i think it's twenty. ONE i thought it's been
twenty one for a. WHILE i thought it Was and
ACTUALLY i thought they started that In New York city
and then it worked its way out to the rest
of the. STATE i don't think it's a FEDERAL i
think it was a state.
Speaker 9: Law, OKAY i had no.
Speaker 1: Idea how did you find somebody card you when you're
going to buy Some?
Speaker 6: Marlboro?
Speaker 1: No, no some KID i was at the gas station getting.
Somebody he's, like, oh it's my eighteen.
Speaker 2: Perthdamns, like, Dude i'm, like go out and get some
porn and buy some, tobacco get packed.
Speaker 1: Cigarettes, wow what a great. Influence this is. Amazing you
know this, kid did you know him In?
Speaker 2: Latto AND i told Him latto BECAUSE i GOT i got.
HIM i bought him a lotto ticket AND i, said
now go out and get some porn and some cigarettes
or you, know did you miss twenty?
Speaker 9: One i'm like twenty.
Speaker 2: One i'm like since when she's, like, oh it's always been, it,
DUDE i had no clue when when they changed.
Speaker 1: THAT i didn't know that.
Speaker 4: Either oh that's. Funny did you tell the go register
for selective?
Speaker 1: Service AND i told him to vote to but way to,
go way to fucking. Go you have an opportunity, to you,
know lift our country up a little bit by getting
into the mind of a young. Man what do you
tell him to? Do go for the, vices, kid go
for the.
Speaker 9: VICES i would like to think that he went to
Show world the next.
Speaker 1: Day, yeah well he may. Have do you have to be? Eight,
yeah you got to be eighteen to go in, there,
RIGHT i, Remember i'm trying to remember when they used
to have THE vhs rentals and the dirty movie with
room with the, Beads.
Speaker 9: Like is there one A monroe a?
Speaker 1: Too oh yeah there, Was, yes there was a, Time,
yes Show, WORLD i, think BUT i thought there there
were signs like in my Ship Hoole, TOWN i think
it said he had to be eighteen to get in.
THERE i think they had that Because i'm, going who
wants to be the? Beads you? Know could you imagine
all of a sudden you're working there at a small
town and all of a, sudden you, know you try
to go in. There you're like it all. Excited, BOBBY
i know you're not. Eighteen i'm gonna tell your. Mom
that's what would happen in Pine. PLATES i swear To
god it would. Be and it would be weird too
when we were, Around LIKE i told this the other,
night but like they saw teachers coming out of, there
you saw your friend's older, brother you ran into a buddy's.
Dad never a, woman never a woman in. There was
always these. Guys somebody was recently. Divorced, hey Philos and
then my dad went AND i was homesick and he
was renting me movies and he, Rented, hey this is
True blockbuster and he got it was so. Mad, oh
we forget the name of the. Movie they get whatever it.
Was it was a superhero and they had like a
plane on the name of the, superhero so it Was i'm,
forgetting BUT i just remember he pops it in, leaves
And i'm in the, recliner laid back AND i watch,
it and all of a sudden they're on a plane
and they're flying and it gets hit by like a
raygun in the entire plane that glows in the, air
and everybody in the plane just. Stops and the stewardess
is in the middle of the aisle and she just
starts ripping off her clothes and everybody starts. Fucking and
my old man comes, BACK whoa what is? THIS i did,
NOT i did. Not it Was Flash. Gordon it Was Flash.
Gordon and he got Flesh gordon and he. GOES i
run And Flash. Gordon they need a checktastick. Together and
you know that's the problem that kids are missing out.
Today you don't get that. Anymore there aren't those. Mistakes you.
Don't you don't get. It and no kids sitting through.
Anything they're not sitting through it like there. Were sometimes
it was like a lead, up there'd be a. Story
it was, cheesy it was shitting, you was poorly, acted
but it was fucking. Vintage and that's What i'm, saying
you know, What not only that it wasn't just fucking. Vintage,
hey got a. SECOND i need some music behind me
this one chilly, NO i, IED i need some good
old Fashioned americana marching. Music hang, ON i gotta get this,
Right we gotta do. This here we go It march
is BY. Susa let's see what we. Got let me
tell you. Something back in those, days, this this is
what these kids are missing out. On crappy, storylines bad
acting people who spend too much time in a Fucking tanning. Booth,
right but they told you a. Story you had a
chance to actually hear the. Story that was the. Thing
you had people that were, there that were. Acting it Was.
American what's More american than? PORN i can't really think of.
IT i, mean let Ye, Chevrolet Coca cola porn right,
there baseball porn talking about. Balls we got, it and
IT'S i think you miss out on that. Ship you're
never gonna have the opportunity to see your old man
lose his shit. Practically Ravish shin sp in too as
he runs into the coffee, table trying to pop it
out of THE dvd player because he doesn't Want mom
to think he was getting flesh. Cordon and that was
the things that you're gonna miss out on now, kids
you know you can get. Anything that's the. Problem you
know What america is just not the. Same porn is
so easily accessible with.
Speaker 9: THIS i waited at my parents dial up for for
the for the thumbnail to the picture to come on the.
DREAM i sat, there stick in my, hand just waiting
for the picture to come.
Speaker 6: On you, know.
Speaker 1: You know you know What i'm talking.
Speaker 9: About it just you know you had to. WAIT i
stayed up all night to watch this boner isn't gonna.
Speaker 4: Last it was new to.
Speaker 9: Me i'd wait two hours to see three seconds of
A you, KNOW i.
Speaker 5: Remember, school like if you're if you had a, friend
there's always a friend who like lived in a trailer
park or. Something but they get like a they get
they would they would get like a black. Box like,
yeah my dad's Got splice, Channel so we wait till
he goes to, bed and then we go downstairs and
we Watch spice, channel or you could watch cinemat on the.
Speaker 1: Weekends you, know this is this is, uh this is.
Juice get, ready fucking, excitement heart, starts, racing palms are.
Sweating you've got.
Speaker 4: Porn, yes.
Speaker 7: Here we, go.
Speaker 1: Juice here it comes, Buddy, oh we lost connections because
somebody picked up the other end of the fucking. Phone
the whole, thing the whole thing got blown. Out what
did you, Say, uh, JUICE i missed.
Speaker 9: It that was my site back in the. Day the
hun dot, net.
Speaker 1: The houn dot. Net let's see if it's still.
Speaker 9: Exactly that's a damn good.
Speaker 1: Question the hun dot. Net let's. SEE i see that
it comes up The huns Yellow, pages The Huns school Of.
Princeton Porn hub must have bought it because they're like
the third choice. Down, yeah wired the hijacking of The.
HUNT i got The.
Speaker 9: HUN i got The hunt right, here hu N.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, yeah that's a picture your wife sent you
while you were working for. It that's what that. IS
i know what that?
Speaker 7: Is all?
Speaker 1: Right, well uh too, bad definitely all, right, man, Days,
yeah that's What i'm. Saying and now kids get to
fast forward. It AND i do have a little bit
of a. Concern fellas and. Men you need to tell your,
sons you know they're watching. Porn you have to do.
This you have to tell them what they're seeing is not,
reality because the first time they go, out they're not
going to be this big stud who's choking and pulling
hair and slapping. Asses it isn't gonna. Happens matter of,
fact there's a lot of women who don't even want
that stuff at. All they're not confident in their own
bodies for, themselves let alone to let you really take
them to. Town but there's your, first your first couple of,
times you're not doing. That that that's. IT i don't
even say that to my, kids BUT i. SHOULD i don't.
KNOW i don't know what happened, tonight all of a,
sudden it's been a great. Mood, Yeah building one, eight
we did a one eighty. Juice anything else you want to, add, Sir.
Speaker 2: Well you, know only two, games AND i will say
that first game it is The it is the highest
home underdog in LIKE nfl, history getting four and a
half at home.
Speaker 9: In a championship.
Speaker 1: Game, yeah, okay all, right you know there he. Is but, no,
man there's only you, know three games.
Speaker 9: Left enjoy. It and we're all in on the rams
here at my. Household we. Are we are Ram.
Speaker 1: Central, Okay Ram, central look at, You Bandwagon bandwagon.
Speaker 2: Juice NO i GOT i got two FUTURE i got
two future tickets on the rams to win it. All,
okay one that will pay twenty five hundred, dollars which
would be. Nice just, win just win the Super. Bowl,
okay that's, it all, right let's get that. Home, well congratulations.
Speaker 1: Early i'm going to say BECAUSE i think, that, uh
there's just something About stafford he has this will to W,
YEAH i.
Speaker 2: Think it's their. Year and then he retires and you
know what better way to do? That and then, yeah you,
Know Josh allen goes out to the.
Speaker 1: Rams that could. Be i'm, Kid i'm, kidding it could.
Be that's what we're. All that's all you're all worried about, you.
Speaker 4: All, Right, Juice thank you, Man this is fun, Man
thank you very, Much thank you very.
Speaker 1: Welcome we're talking for the Super, bowl, right, yeah we'll
talk before the Super. Bowl only if you're pick only
if your picture. Right, No i'm, kidding you're.
Speaker 2: Going to IF i IF i IF i go with
two for, This i'll never come on.
Speaker 9: Again oh, stop that's how CONFIDENT i.
Speaker 1: Am all, right all, Right, well all, Right, juice we'll
see you. Later, well there we, Go. Danny anything else
you want to? Add, No i'm.
Speaker 7: Good are you?
Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah you're feeling all?
Speaker 5: RIGHT i feel worse like after the press conference and
the firing THAT i did about the actual.
Speaker 1: Loss this is what's so interesting Because i'm telling YOU
i really believe and you know this better THAN i
would as a Lifelong bills. Fan, yes and being around
the team when you're an intern and. Stuff this this
reeks of Old. Buffalo and we thought that smell had gone.
Away we thought somebody came in with sage and got
rid of. It but this reeks of Old, buffalo the
infighting and the.
Speaker 5: Incompetence, yes, yes, YEAH i hear, YOU i hear, you
BUT i can you. KNOW i mean it's people talk
about culture and everything. Else culture is only as good
as you as your. Champion and who is the champion
whether you see The Josh allen Or sean, McDermott, well
one of those guys has.
Speaker 7: Gone.
Speaker 5: Now it wasn't ownership and it certainly wasn't the general.
Manager so now it's up To Josh allen to basically
like re establish that or this new head coach who's
coming in and figuring that. Out But i'll tell you
what's gonna happen next couple of. Weeks you're gonna have
a new head coach, hired and then, everyone you know,
what you know, WHAT i like this. Guy you know
WHAT i THINK i think this. GUY i think mcderm's
run his. Course you know, WHAT i think this guy
is gonna be.
Speaker 8: GOOD i like, him and.
Speaker 4: You're gonna hear.
Speaker 5: That and then the drum beat he's gonna say all
the right? Things are you hop he says all the
right things at the press, conference and then people will be.
Speaker 1: Back on the bad, wagon, Right and then you, know
we'll get to.
Speaker 4: OTAs then they'll sign a couple of free.
Speaker 5: Agents then they'll get to the, draft and the draft's
gonna be the tell because because the influencers believe that
they have some type of sway over good picks and bad.
Picks AND i gotta be honest with, you last several
years they've been more right than the team. Has, okay
so Come, april we'll get a real glimpse as to
the direction this team is. Heading all, Right then then
things will settle back. Down then they'll get to, camp
but be excited that the new stadium is gonna.
Speaker 4: Open oh, yeah they better win that freaking.
Speaker 1: Game, well when we find out who they're playing, against,
too that'll be. Interesting watch it be, uh watch it Be.
Denver watch that's a good. Alright for our Friend Peter,
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