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Speaker 1: We're all owned by the Syndicate Body and Soul or

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should I just say Bunny Hello, Filthy movie lovers, something

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weirdos and anti Criterion Bros. To the thirtieth episode of

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The Sin Syndicate. This is going to be part two

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of our question and answer episode, So if you haven't

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listened to part one yet, go back and give that

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a listen. And those of you who were wondering where

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your question was, it should be somewhere in this episode.

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But my name is Gentry Austen, writer and researcher, and

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again I'm here with my co host, adult film historian

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for what has happened in the last week since we

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last talked. We were on the Reconnected Show just a

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few days ago, which is a live Thursday night show

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hosted by our boss man Ryan of The Disconnected and

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Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network. So we wanted to thank

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everyone who showed up for five, ten or one hundred

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and eighty minutes.

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Speaker 2: It was a good show. What did you think, Casey?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a good time, but I always have

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a lot of energy when I do this stuff, so yeah, no,

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it was fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, Yeah, it was a good time. Casey kept the

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energy high as my.

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Speaker 2: Energy was waning.

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Speaker 3: I kind of I feel like that's typical. I feel

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like I'm always at like one hundred and ten and

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you're much more normal. So yeah, I am. I'm always up. Yeah,

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I gotta keep it, keep it going.

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Speaker 2: Yep. I have bursts of energy every now and then.

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Speaker 1: But during this show, Ryan, I remember he asked this

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kind of like what our favorite releases were of twenty

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twenty five, and I felt bad because I felt like

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we kind of flow up that answer.

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Speaker 3: I don't know or maybe ask that I don't even remember.

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like what we watched. I think he asked us what

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we watched Pile, and then he also asked what movie

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we wanted to upgrade it for twenty six. I don't

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remember him asking what our favorite releases of the year were.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's just a blurr. I thought.

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so maybe we'll do that now.

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Speaker 3: No, he asked for what we wanted an upgrade for,

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and you didn't want to answer because you wanted people

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to listen to the Q and A episode.

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Speaker 2: And you were like, no, no, no.

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Speaker 3: Just answer it right exactly. It's like, you know, it's

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fine if we repeat ourselves, because we had a lot

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of people that I don't even know if they even

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listened to our podcasts, So it was kind of like,

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Speaker 2: Sure, so's should we do that. Let's just do that quick.

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Speaker 1: Our favorite release of twenty twenty five again, it doesn't

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need to be sexploitation related, but it probably will be.

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I think mine would be. I really liked that career

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Bed sex by Advertisement released by District Picks, the two

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Joel Reed movies, which I think even the Joel Red

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fans I don't know if they've seen those yet, so

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that was nice to have those prepared together. I think

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we both love career Bed correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sex my advertisement is whatever, but yeah, career Bed

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is the money. That's the money movie.

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Speaker 1: He plays the most ridiculous character running around Central Park

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like a madman and whipping women and all the masks.

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I think it's it's a mess, but it's very entertaining.

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shout on another District Picks, which was the Confessions of

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a Psycho Cat and Fat Black Pussycat double feature. I

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weedn't they did on the commentary for that, it was amazing.

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those dance and macabre Italian Gothic collections that Severn's been

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of a mixture. There's one four K release in there.

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a rarity that most people haven't seen. And then they've

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got a Devil's Wedding Night with resolv Onneri which is

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a masterpiece and Bobby Yaga is very fun. And then

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very disappointing. But yeah, the CD I always love them people.

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record companies used to do that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, what are some of your faves?

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looking for stuff that came to five years before to

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snap it up before it goes out of print. So

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kind of what I mostly did shopping for this year.

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with the mam Mouse sexx bonus, which I think is

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that people don't know what it is not buying it.

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That movie is incredible and so you definitely need that,

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especially because we only previously had it with burned in

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Danish subtitles, so now we have a really nice, clean,

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restored version and it makes the movie even better. I

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will continue telling people to buy Cellular Dreams. Hyena in

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the Safe that was, Yeah, that was a huge surprise

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this year. They also put out short nighted of their

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Glass Dolls and that I love that movie anyway, but

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of the blew that away from me. Yeah, I think

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that's that was their better release to share.

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Speaker 1: I still have that Hyena the Safe theme song stuck

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they're really good at making you think that if you

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miss out, you miss out, and so I didn't want Fomo,

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of Doom box set from twenty four I bought as

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well because I think they had that up. It went

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out of print in twenty four and then they had

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Speaker 2: Up, which is as a whole.

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Speaker 1: That's a whole lot of Mberto Lenzi for you, isn't.

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Speaker 3: It it is? And I actually know, well, yeah, it's

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too Umberto Lenzi, too ful cheat. And then for Lamberto.

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Speaker 2: Bava, Oh, yes is the Plato, Yes, that's.

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Speaker 3: All Bava, and I generally liked. Oh I liked three

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of them. The Ogre is terrible, but I loved I

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loved Dinner with the Vampire. I loved What is It

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until Dark? I believe. And then the fourth one is

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Grave Aared Disturbance, which I also liked, so yeah, I

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thought it was. It's a good package. And then I

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Leslie Winston collection, which came out as the year was ending,

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and that's a incredible collection. So I already started preharding

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stuff for twenty twenty six. So now now I can

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do more. I can do a more comprehensive best of

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Speaker 1: Remind me with the Leslie Winston is there kind of

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like a bare bones version of that release coming?

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Speaker 3: No, okay, no, this is it. It's five hundred copies.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when it's gone, it's gone.

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Speaker 1: We also had a question that came in kind of

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related question, and so we reached out to our friends

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down there, mister Dennis Kampa, and so we're really not

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sure about this one, but I thought we would maybe

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put it out there so in case somebody

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maybe has some more insight. But the question was there

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was some music in Hot Thrills and Warm Chills. Perez

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Prato's music, he's credited as Dario de Mexico. I don't

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said just use my music, but don't put my name

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on it. So the question was kind of did Dale

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Barry just swipe these tracks that are.

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the answer. Maybe Lisa or Jimmy McDonough would have some insight.

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What's going on here with this music?

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Speaker 3: Casey, I mean, it's just probably just stolen. Yeah, I've

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always assumed it's stolen. Yeah, if it was credit, if

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it was credited to the right person, if that would

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have been legal. But this, yeah, it's it's credited to

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a made up name. Yeah, it's just stolen.

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using recordings from Russian orchestras for exploitation. It's kind of like, well,

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it's a foreign recording, they're not going to do anything

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about it, and these were, you know, not a American recording,

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so they just he could just use whatever he wanted.

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the producer, but we don't have any evidence of that.

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gonna say it stolen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We also had an email from a listener that I

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wanted to bring up real quick way back in. I

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don't even remember the episode. I should have looked that

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up beforehand, what number it was, but it was our

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kiss Me Quick episode aka too Much Sex Fiz, where

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we had mentioned that there was Harry Novak on the

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DVD commentary for kiss Me Quick kind of made this

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offhanded reference to some of the girls in that film

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being quote Columbia girls, and we were I had mentioned

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how confused that was because it wasn't elaborated on, and

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this listener wrote in and said that he's pretty sure

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that these girls that Novak was referencing were a woman.

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Speaker 2: Just read. I think that they were the decorative.

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Speaker 1: Girls in all those Dean Martin helm kind of comedy

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spy movies that Colombia released. They didn't have much dialogue

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and they were always staying at Matt's bachelor pad.

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Speaker 2: Possibly Good.

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Speaker 3: The first one of those movies came out in sixty six,

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two years after kiss Me Quick. So I don't. I

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don't know about that. It sounds like it makes sense,

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of production of Kiss Me Quick, I still think that

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those girls were, you know, dancers at the Gaiety because

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that's who produced the movie, Max's Gardens. So yeah, I'm

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giving anything accurate about any of his cast members, because

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that's that was not anything he would know about. So

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you know, as I said in that episode, he misidentifies

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out your courier three times. Yeah, so yeah, I don't,

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Matt hell movies because I haven't seen him in a

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long time. But I mean I've seen them and I've

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never recognized any of those any of those girls es

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exploitation girls. So I love I'd love to though revisit

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and see like, oh wait, that would be great.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen those.

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and she's very good in that, and the Ambushers is

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pretty terrible, and then once the other one murderers row

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and I forget what the other one is. They're they're fun,

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but they're they're not amazing, but okay worth seeing if

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you like like Swinging sixty stuff.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, the colors pop.

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Speaker 1: We got an update from Lisa Patrucci on the Misty Curious,

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writer of some of the back of the box snopsis

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from back in the early VHS Something Weird Days. What

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did she tell us about Betsy Berger?

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Speaker 3: She didn't know her. Yeah, end of story.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: So, in fact, we have no update. There is no

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update on Betsy Berger.

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Speaker 2: No update is the update.

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she is now. Yeah, I mean that's that's worthy. I

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think that that's something that maybe Lisa could look into

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more because if she put out two issues of her

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magazine and they have really good sexploitation stuff in there,

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for something weird Press because there's a really comprehensive Dave

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Freedman interview in issue one. So actually, it'd be good

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to try to get Betsy involved with one of the

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upcoming Freeman releases to include that in like one of

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the booklets for those. So I guess that's the stay tuned. Yeah,

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because yeah, I yeah, I liked I'd like some more,

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something more definitive than than what Lisa told us, oh,

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which was nothing.

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Speaker 1: We forgot a uh noir exploitation film when we answered

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our question tell us about Satan and Heels.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe we both forgot that, Alex. Alex and

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I both forgot this. You haven't seen it yet, which

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you really need to. Yeah, Satan and I Heels is

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a nineteen sixty two Gerald Intrader film. It's very uh,

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it's it's it's exploitation, but it's it's more of a noir.

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a bad Girl at the center of it, has a

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really good cast, a good soundtrack which came out on LP,

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and then it also had a novelization, so it was

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like a relatively mainstream film. There's really not I'm trying

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to remember there's even any unity in it. I don't

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think there is.

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Speaker 4: But it's great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's terrific, and unfortunately, I think we've confirmed that

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that is locked away with Yeah, it's being held houses

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by the person the filmmaker that is not Karmen Novak's.

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We have two hostage situations going on right now that

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we have to do some kind of negotiations with these

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two egomaniacs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is available to watch.

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Speaker 2: On Yeah, it on YouTube in an HD print. Yeah

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been restored by the uh by the hostage holder. Yes,

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so it's you can stream it on YouTube until he

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gets it yanked. I don't know how long it'll be there.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, what's this overlooked question about Ken Bateman.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we had a question if anyone had ever interviewed

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Kent Bateman about his work in sexploitation because Kent Bateman

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is Jason and Justine Bateman's dad, and he was a

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director later and he did like the Headless Eyes with

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Ron Sullivan and a few other things in sexploitation. And

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the answer is no, he's never discussed it. I don't

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think anyone's ever asked I, and honestly, I wouldn't. I mean,

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I don't know if Yeah, that's not anybody tickle my

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fancy to try to ask about film because I mean, like,

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off the top of my head, can't think of any

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of his films that I want to know about, Like

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Headless Eyes is pretty terrible. Uh, I don't need to

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know about about. Headless Eyes does have Linda Southern in it,

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which is interesting because she's from you know, like Amazing

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Transplant and a few other movies in New York at

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that time. But that might be why I would reach

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out to him. I want to know about Linda Southern.

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And you know that's kind of you right now. He's alive,

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he is, Yeah, Yeah, he's alive, but no, no one's

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ever interviewed him about it, sort of like Al Rubin.

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Al Rubin's all alive, but nobody's ever interviewed him about

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Denby and Johnson.

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Speaker 2: You know, what's this tell us about this Eric Shaffer article.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so I had people asking me about the

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Eric Shaffer article that I referenced in discussing sixteen millimeter

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adult films, which we are not covering on the podcast,

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and the article is gauging a revolution sixteen millimere film

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and the rise of the pornographic feature. If you have

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access to jay Store a Project Muse, you can access

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it using like your library card. Your library system is

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connected to those. But I have it in Linda Williams

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Porn Studies book, which is a great book anyway, which

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you know, it has a lot of really good articles

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in there. But yeahprint in that book, you're saying, yeah, okay, yeah,

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so it's in there. He might have even written it

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for that book for all I know, because yeah, it's

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the I think it's the original printing, because I think

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there's been a few other volumes. But yeah, so if

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you want to read that, get that book or get

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it through j Store or Project needs or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we might have to reach out to Eric at

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some point, have him on TOK about something.

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Speaker 3: Harri's great. I haven't talked to him in a long time.

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But yeah, he's great.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if he's working on anything.

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Speaker 3: Well, he definitely just shows up on the Forbidden Fruit

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releases that Keno puts out, and I think I'm trying

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to remember the last one he was on, but I.

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Speaker 1: Think he's a professor commentary.

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Speaker 3: Oh he was. Okay, well then that was the most

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recent thing then, So yeah, he's still that's good. So

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he's still definitely active.

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if he's got anything like a new

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book in the works.

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Speaker 3: I assume, oh that I don't know, Yeah that I

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don't know. I haven't heard anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think that's what we got should be.

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Let's play part two of the question and answer here.

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Let's jump into this question here. Noteworthy s exploitation endeavors

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with a film noir bent?

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Speaker 2: Are there any yes?

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Speaker 4: Aroused?

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Speaker 3: So many aroused? I like love is where it's at.

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Alex doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Oh that is something weird put out their own weird noirs.

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Speaker 3: Weird noirs are all. There's all worthwhile, I think common ish.

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I'm thinking for more downbeat the animals. Very

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noir is.

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Speaker 3: Noir. Yeah yeah, Girls on f.

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Speaker 4: Street is actually very good in terms of their styling.

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Speaker 3: Girls on Street is actually good.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to personally think of like the mood to

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like the noir mood, not just the look, because the

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Lost Start you could say, are noir, I mean noir looking,

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but don't have that incredibly somber the whole room, Yes,

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that's been.

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Speaker 1: Is. I'm trying to think of some with like actual detectives.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's a round. I'm trying to think, yeah,

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that's murder mysteries. But where the Black No, that's too funny.

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But where the Black Widow is too funny.

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Speaker 2: No, I think that's sort of.

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Speaker 4: Later is very discount their sure, yeah, if you want

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to stretch that submission is noir ish because it's very

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similar to like the Carol Baker.

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Speaker 3: Jolly, which are also like film noir. Yeah, you're right,

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it's very like paranoia.

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Speaker 4: Michael Stiff's a bit too light hearted. You can see

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some very noir influences. By sorry, no, I mean like okay,

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some of the devices in there. You can't not like, okay,

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this is not serious.

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Speaker 3: There's lighthearted and there's camp. I think they are camp. Yeah,

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I'm like light have them you know, yeah, just me

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my new comedy.

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Speaker 4: I'll put on kissing her flesh real quick.

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Speaker 3: A Thousand Flashes is way funnier.

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Speaker 4: But that's so ridiculous. Yeah, I mean those things definitely.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think about that because also another element

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of film noir is not necessarily like a criming investigator,

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but it's also like a I'm trying I'm thinking of like,

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oh god, what's the one with John Pain and Evelyn

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Keys where it's like a man caught like a man

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who's put upon, who's caught in the middle of a

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crime and has to like solve it or whatever, something

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like Uh, no, Pamela. Pamela is more of an art film,

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I know you're thinking, but they definitely exist. Yeah, it's yeah,

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or like it's lost, But I feel no, that's not

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a noir no.

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Speaker 4: I think definitely would have been one based on based

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on the footage seen body female looks incredibly noir.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the second question part of that question, though, I

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do have definitely one, because the second part of the

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question is vice versa. Nothing comes to mind. What is

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the contemporary noirs? The sixties abandoned exploitation and exploitation the

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Naked Kiss. Yes, yes, both of those absolutely, yes kisses.

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I think that's Sam Fuller's best movie is The Name

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a Kiss. It opens with a bald prostitute beating her

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pimp into submission, you know, and then she has sex

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with a cop. There's a pedophile like you know, there's

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a house to Bill I prove with Eddie Williams. Yeah,

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it's that is. Naked Kiss is probably the most exploitation

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film no I can think of, except for Who Killed

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Teddy Bear also, which is also brilliant.

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Speaker 4: That's like sexless exploitation. Who Killed Teddy Bear as a whole. Yeah,

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if you want to see a exploitation film but don't

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want to see a one, watch Who Killed Teddy Bear?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I know we asked this question and they

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have seen Who Killed Teddy Bear.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what spurned this question. So yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Okay, Naked Kiss. If you haven't seen Naked Kiss,

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it's Criteria. It's Criterion Collection, It's on Criterion Channel. It's

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Constance Bennett, who is in a in a better world,

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she would have been nominated for an Oscar for that performance.

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It's yeah, I love it. Towers, Towers has been it

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is Joan Bennett's sister. That's right, cost the Towers, John

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Gavin's wife. Yes, at the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or after that. I just wanted to highlight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah what you said, Alex find out play later, I

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think is a good one. If this listener wants to

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check something out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that has some good Christine Sabelle Yeah, yeah, Cherry

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went I love oh yeah, I love her too. Brows Yeah,

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and the hair.

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Speaker 4: The hair was fine. The eyebrows. I don't know what

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was going on with Chris.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I like Sherry's hair. I was always like bad hair day,

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not great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I like her okay, And I was like,

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she was going.

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Speaker 3: For a pixie and said stop before it got too short.

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Speaker 4: She got too scared.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're right, got too scared. I'm like, just do

470
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,839
the Joe. It works for Joe Allen, it might work

471
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:53,640
for you.

472
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 4: Get a pixie.

473
00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: Yea.

474
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's better that curly Bob in the Procure.

475
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, like her in that.

476
00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:04,039
Speaker 2: That's very good.

477
00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: Casey, I'm gonna kick one more. I'm gonna kick one

478
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,000
to you, Casey. As far as stuff you've contributed to,

479
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,680
what's the favorite release that you worked on? Wow?

480
00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:21,599
Speaker 3: Oh god, Unfortunately most of my favorite ones are out

481
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,519
of fucking to Sharon Kelly. That was that was definitely

482
00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:29,680
a highlight, getting personal that is available and that is

483
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,759
a peanut butter freak. I that was the first time

484
00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:36,480
I interviewed Zachary Dennis Strong, who was a big San

485
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,279
Francisco guy, and I interviewed also Molly Seagram, who was

486
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:44,240
his partner at the time, and that those interviews were good.

487
00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:48,039
Throw twelve years after, I paid for a hotel room

488
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,119
for an actress to be interviewed on video in there

489
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,920
and did not get reimbursed because I was like, this

490
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,799
is what she wants, this is what she gets. I

491
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,200
wanted it to turn out well and it did. Also

492
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,200
going to be Sharon Kane for that Oh yes, all

493
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,039
the all the well Woman's torment. I did roberta commentary

494
00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:11,279
and then afterwards we got drunk at a screening of

495
00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:12,640
the movie, and that Q and A is on that

496
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:18,960
release as well. Yeah, there's a lot that I'm proud of.

497
00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:21,839
There's a lot that I wish I'd done more on

498
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,359
though that's kind of you know, it's one of those

499
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,160
things where it's I wish I could have done a

500
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,880
lot more. Sometimes I had people say, oh, Leek Mascara.

501
00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:33,000
I did roberta commentary and Lee Carroll. I found her

502
00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:36,519
in the mountains of West Virginia. I had to contact

503
00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:39,319
her by letter and then we had to pay her

504
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,920
through Western Union because she was living off the grid,

505
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,160
because she was trying to avoid taxi base and charges.

506
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,839
And now she's disappeared again. So when you hear that

507
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,480
interview that when you found that interview on Mascara, that's

508
00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:53,799
kind of it. We're not probably not gonna hear from

509
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,480
Lee Carroll again. So and she's just like she is

510
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,559
in the movie. She was everything I ever wanted.

511
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:01,319
Speaker 2: That's so funny.

512
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, you know, yeah, all right, the track

513
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:10,440
of what I've worked on, well, there's there's more to.

514
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: Come, there is, yes, Alex, let me kick one to

515
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:17,079
you before we do one final.

516
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:18,279
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this long one.

517
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

518
00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about the story of Martin Films?

519
00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:27,839
Is that how you say that.

520
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 4: That is Martin? Actually I would go through all three

521
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,119
of them this question. This person asked, Yeah, I was

522
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,000
reading about this story. I like I just like the

523
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,839
ways it's imported the story of Martin Films and their

524
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,000
theater cinema. Two thousand and Toronto. It's reasonably well known.

525
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:46,200
I was wondering if you knew anything about Peerless Films,

526
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:49,920
which handles films like Body of a Female, kiss Me,

527
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,440
kiss Me, kiss Me, Jack and Hide Portfolio, and then

528
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,920
also Dolev Films, which was even more obscure, which put

529
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,000
out stuff like he Stick Pleasures and the very Friendly Neighbors.

530
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:09,160
So first one Martin Films and Cinema two thousand, I am.

531
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,599
First of all, I'm gonna explain Cinema two thousand a bit,

532
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:20,519
But what notable researcher on Canadian exhibition, in particular censorship

533
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:28,440
as well. Eric Vayette literally just published on his wonderful

534
00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:31,200
sub stack, which he also has an Instagram account for

535
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:33,880
the Downtown Theater where he's been doing some really great

536
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:40,079
in depth theater articles. Just posted part one of a

537
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,000
multi part series on Cinema two thousand theater TLDR though

538
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:48,480
for viewers who were not aware, because it is a

539
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:51,559
kind of notorious theater, but I don't know, Hey, everyone

540
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:56,920
was aware. Cinema two thousand was an adult house on

541
00:27:57,079 --> 00:28:00,359
our Toronto's version of forty second Street, which was Young's Street,

542
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:03,920
which had a bunch of porno houses and things like that.

543
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,519
Cinema two thousand was founded by a man named Max Allen,

544
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:15,640
who coined the idea to show the films on videotape

545
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:21,559
via multiple closed circuit TVs above the viewers where they

546
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:28,880
were sitting, because videotape was not covered by I don't

547
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,400
know if this was Ontario Actor Canada the Theaters Act,

548
00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:35,160
which governed on the Ontario Sensor Board and regulated theaters

549
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,559
because motion pictures in that Act were constituted as being

550
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:45,119
on film, so anything on videotape was pretty much fair game.

551
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,079
So Cinema two thousand was known for playing films that

552
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,519
no one else could play because they did not have

553
00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:53,359
to be taken to the censor board. Their number one,

554
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:57,519
most notorious one was Vixen, which they did have to

555
00:28:57,519 --> 00:28:59,559
pay a fine for because they were still found for

556
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,079
playing on an obscene show. But other notable ones that

557
00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:07,440
they showed that others couldn't were Lonesome Cowboys, did very

558
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:10,200
very well for them. I think Super Vixen's also did

559
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:15,319
very very well for them. But the person that they

560
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:19,039
were asking about Martin Films and Marvin Miller. Marvin Miller,

561
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:22,000
who owned Martin Films, was only a partner in Cinema

562
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,720
two thousands. Like I said, that was mostly Max, a

563
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,319
man named Max Allen, who's I think still live to

564
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:31,079
this day. I think he worked at CBC. After this

565
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,680
he went to the more safer broadcast in dealing with

566
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:39,079
adult theaters. But Marvin Miller owned Marden Films, which was

567
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:42,759
one of the I want to say three or four

568
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,039
number one importers of sex films into Canada, the first ones,

569
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:50,799
of course being Cinepics out in Montreal, who also produced

570
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:57,000
Notorious Ilsa. Martin was then another one. Martin handled Harry

571
00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:01,400
half of Harry Novak's catalog, Dave Friedman's Cattle, a lot

572
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,160
of the bigger guys, and then for some odd reason,

573
00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:08,599
a lot of that cut those people's films like Freeman

574
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,759
and Novak were split between them and another entity called

575
00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:17,359
Danton Films. Danton Films, I know was completely liquidated because

576
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:20,079
I tried to look for lash of lost elements with them,

577
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,720
because they also distributed some of that I'm drawing up

578
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,440
blank on another distributor. But yeah, so Martin Films Marvin

579
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,680
Miller's thing that was around for a long time. Actually,

580
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,160
that began in I want to say late sixties and

581
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,079
that was Martin film was around as a company at

582
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,480
least like on registries and stuff up until the early

583
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:49,880
two thousands. They pivoted from distributing this exploitation and adult film.

584
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,400
I think they also did some a bit of horre,

585
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,119
but mostly soft, mostly soft, and anything hardcore was cut down.

586
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:58,440
If you see a hardcore film, yeah it was cut down,

587
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,079
like Love Slaves or something like that. They eventually just

588
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:06,279
continued on and once theatrical started going down, he moved

589
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:13,720
into videotape video TV production. He later on when Martin

590
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:17,359
Films was religious film distributors by name in the early

591
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,559
two thousands, Yeah, they were just running a video facility

592
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:26,440
for the most part. Marvin Miller has died a couple

593
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,680
of years ago, and as far as and from what

594
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:33,079
I have heard, was not a very nice man. So

595
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,200
trying to even figure out where his films would have been,

596
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,960
because there was most of them are found. But he

597
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:45,119
did distribute Three Way Split, Love, Thy Neighbor and His Wife,

598
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,200
which we don't think those elements are complete or also

599
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,759
would have come out. A small handful of titles are

600
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:57,160
still lost, thankfully, not a lot. Now moving on to

601
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,319
peerless films, also, I will say part two of Eric's

602
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:05,000
thing will apparently have even more on Marvin Miller, folks,

603
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,880
So you bey had turned over to that. Yeah, thank no,

604
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:09,519
big thank you to Eric for providing me with some

605
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:14,599
of his information for this Peerless Films, right, okay, Yeah,

606
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:18,920
Eric's been doing some great stuff. Peerless Films they began

607
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:23,200
in the early fifties. They were mostly in by that point,

608
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,400
that was their largest era. That was run by a

609
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,480
man named Jack Rower, and they distributed just about anything

610
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:35,079
on thirty five and sixty millimeter documentaries, kiddie stuff and

611
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:39,839
things like that. They had six different offices across the country.

612
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,200
They were predominantly they were based out of Montreal, but

613
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,839
with the advent TV and stuff, although I can't say

614
00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:51,079
for certain, but I can tell based on the differences

615
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:53,960
in size in the Kane film of your books. By

616
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,960
nineteen sixty two they only have two offices, Montreal and Toronto,

617
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:03,319
and they are now just reading exploitations, exploitation films like

618
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:06,119
some of the some of the Michigan stuff, Body of

619
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:10,440
a Female, a weird odd handful of like strange things,

620
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,319
and they they didn't want a theater like Martin. I

621
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:18,359
don't think so. I haven't found any evidence of them

622
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:23,480
owning one yet. They continue doing that into the seventies

623
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:29,160
until the owner, Jack Rower, died and then his wife

624
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,920
took it over, and I don't know what they did

625
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,480
post seventies. They were in business up until the early

626
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,400
two thousands, but possibly just registered in name only. There's

627
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,319
a lot of dead Kadian businesses that are just in

628
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:44,279
books and things like that. I think I even have

629
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:48,200
one that just our exists on paper bar no longer active.

630
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:52,039
Their heyday, like I said, was really fifty until nineteen seventy,

631
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,519
distributing exploitation films seemed to be a kind of a

632
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,200
low point for them, like more so selling for them

633
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:02,640
to keep in business with and Lottie Romer died in

634
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:05,119
twenty ten. Have not reached out to her family yet.

635
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,679
I have looked in multiple archives for peerless elements. There

636
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,239
was one archive that did have some, but nothing pertaining

637
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,400
to sixties exploitation because I was desperately looking, especially before

638
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,000
kiss Me was found. And for Body of a Female too.

639
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:24,159
Those are like my two number one lost exploitation films

640
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:28,880
that were distributed up here. So yeah, that was peerless. Yeah,

641
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,440
peerless was a lot less significant than Saint Martin Films

642
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:36,159
or Danton and do lov Is even smaller. I've got

643
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:40,119
like nothing on them, I've got to be honest, Like

644
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,639
they've briefly seemingly popped up in the seventies, limped until

645
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,920
the early eighties, and then really quickly vanished. Almost all

646
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,320
these other companies you can find them in. We have

647
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,599
these great like yearbooks of Canadian film which is just

648
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,960
like every single existing entity and at the very least

649
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,800
the president of it. But do you love films. There's like

650
00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:06,679
one entry and like an incomplete name as the owner

651
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,800
in one book, and like nothing else. They were very

652
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,760
under the radar. That might have been because they were

653
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,480
mostly handling cut down seventies hardcore.

654
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:17,519
Speaker 1: Do you think they were standing in some late cut

655
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:20,360
down like as a whole.

656
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:22,639
Speaker 4: Late seventies was the era where there was a lot

657
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:26,920
of crackdowns in Toronto as well too, so I don't

658
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,519
know if this would have been a factor. But the

659
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:30,920
late seventies there was a lot of different things with

660
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,280
even like massage parlors and things like that. There was

661
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,039
a there was a crime where a boy was found

662
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:38,719
murdered in seventy eight on the roof of a massage parlor,

663
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,840
and that caused shock waves in the industry. Around here.

664
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,400
There was a bit like all hell broke loose against

665
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,920
the adult industry as a whole in the late seventies.

666
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,079
If they were a casualty of that, I'm not too sure,

667
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:55,880
but yeah, they weren't one of these guys who like

668
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,679
seemed to pivot into it. They just popped up doing

669
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:02,239
this and then it disappears quickly as they did. But

670
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:05,159
that's all I got for this question. I will hint

671
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,960
to stay tuned for further since syndicate episodes because we

672
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:13,119
may tackle this country.

673
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 3: A bit more, who knows. But it's un the outside

674
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,719
of America every once in a while, that was my thing.

675
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,639
I think gentry's goal was to stick from America. And

676
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:26,360
I was like, but there's so much good stuff outside

677
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,639
of America we can take. We can take little vacations.

678
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: Outside of and we will. Yes, we vacations planned.

679
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: We do exactly. It's very fun.

680
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,599
Speaker 4: I mean that, yeah, I mean pass across on occasion.

681
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:42,360
I mean foreign films are what helped made Americans exploitation.

682
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,280
You can't not ignore them like you cannot ignore the

683
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,880
correlation between other countries.

684
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: Very true, very true, and things like that.

685
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 4: So yeah, still not love hope for finding lost films

686
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,320
up here, Sorry poster, which.

687
00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 3: Sucks because I think I told you Vixen's was very

688
00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:01,239
they distributed up there.

689
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,519
Speaker 4: I have a slight higher hope, but like I said,

690
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:11,280
we've got three main territories for a film, which is Toronto, Montreal,

691
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:15,320
and Vancouver, and outside of that, like it just goes

692
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,320
down past those three metropolitan cities, there's oh god, don't

693
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,199
even get me started. And like I said, a lot

694
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,360
of the distributors only kept their own productions, like Cinepix.

695
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:31,320
Cinepis has everything down to like the con every everything

696
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,599
down to like people's DNA on every single one of

697
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:38,440
their original productions. All the stuff they distributed, they did

698
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,639
something foreign films, foreign films that never made it into us.

699
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:47,000
I wanted, I think, nothing, nothing at all at all.

700
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:49,760
So I mean, if anyone ever wants a blue Ray

701
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,119
of Valerie, we got good elements. There's hope for that.

702
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:57,199
But like Eroticon or Fornicon whichever that important was, or

703
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:02,880
other things like that happening the nineteen seventy two one,

704
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,679
Oh yeah, it's like Fidicon has the woman's like go

705
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,320
Been with the Bulls. Yeah, yes, yeah, Richard, I've I've

706
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,599
tried looking for tales like that. Yeah, no one has

707
00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:16,159
anything in Cinepic's collections. Just fifty thousand the.

708
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:18,679
Speaker 3: Same Richard not the same Richard Franklin as the Australians.

709
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:22,920
The guy who did Belinda for yeah, Terry Levine, Yeah

710
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:23,280
that guy.

711
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

712
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you could find a million cue sheets for

713
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,159
like the fourth Ilsa film, but yeah, nothing on stuff

714
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:29,599
like that.

715
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: Wow.

716
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately, I'm okay with that as far as you know,

717
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,480
I'm glad to know that the Canadians was taken care of.

718
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:40,199
That's that's okay, I'm glad.

719
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Canadian productions. Yes, everything we brought in.

720
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: You know, that's a lot to expect. Take care of

721
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,559
your own at the very least, you know, nice surprise otherwise.

722
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,119
But it's like, just make sure that you're you're your

723
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,599
your country cinema heritage is taken care of.

724
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 4: That's oh, that's yeah, that's totally covered. The government loves

725
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,840
to take care of that absolutely. No, no, no, we

726
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,239
have The government has a policy normally where if a

727
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,800
lab shuts down, they will take anything unclaimed, like like

728
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,480
our government as a whole is like big on preserving

729
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:18,920
our heritage. So uh yeah, there's always hope that if

730
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,960
it's a game film, there's at least an answer print

731
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,920
or something like that. Like they had the elements for

732
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,159
Deadline that Vinegar used the government thing and stuff. Yeah, yeah,

733
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:32,039
like they had at least like one yeah print at

734
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:35,800
the very least instead because the negative was missing, Carpenter

735
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,639
may have been the same thing.

736
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 2: Well, I have.

737
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: Questions about Canadian censor censorship, but I'm gonna save them,

738
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,639
save them for a different episode for we can do

739
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:47,679
an Yeah.

740
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 2: I do find that fascinating.

741
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:55,639
Speaker 4: So yeah, they were weird. Yeah they were strange. Oh no,

742
00:39:55,679 --> 00:40:00,199
I talked about I wasn't censoring anything. Excuse me. I

743
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,920
would not have sees those nests of the Kuckoober's elements.

744
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,480
I would not have rejected Vando trash. I would not

745
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,000
have rejected like I mean, multiple maniacs.

746
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,119
Speaker 2: I get your point.

747
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:17,199
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's finish this out with question for everybody.

748
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:22,679
Do we have any hot takes on popular something weird

749
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:28,039
video releases? Is there something everyone loves that you hate? Hm?

750
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: Curious doctor hump okay, really okay, Yeah, I think it's

751
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:36,920
just fine. I think the American version is not as

752
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,519
good as the original version. The original version is much better.

753
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,079
I'm trying to think of another one that's like widely

754
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:46,480
beloved Franka sized cast. Little Freaks is another one. Can't

755
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:46,880
stand Up.

756
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,639
Speaker 4: I didn't like that either. I don't worry this film

757
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:53,480
that you guys worked on is not included in this.

758
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,599
But besides one or two outliers Herschel, Gordon Lewis's non

759
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:06,159
horror films, I don't see the point of those to

760
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:10,440
tell you to pull the trigger. No, No, you don't

761
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:11,320
like you're the Ahu.

762
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: I have better things to do, and the consume you're

763
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:14,559
the Yahoo again.

764
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 4: No, I do not like.

765
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,679
Speaker 3: Besides, this is terrible, but I love you.

766
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, outside of like some of the interesting stuff like

767
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,920
girl Bodies Come of the Earth and she Doubles, I'm like,

768
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:31,199
not at all. I do not see the I do

769
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:37,559
not see what other people see. That is a hot take, Yeah,

770
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:38,320
I don't.

771
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: Think I have one.

772
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean with regard to Herschel, I mean I

773
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,880
guess my hot take would be like, I don't like

774
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:45,960
two thousand Maniacs.

775
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 3: I don't like any of the trimes I love.

776
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't like to Shine Mountain. I'll give you

777
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:56,920
that one, but.

778
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:02,519
Speaker 1: Is a perfect And I don't like Moonshine. I just

779
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:08,320
think that their weirded and I don't like the atures.

780
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,519
Speaker 2: They're not funny to me.

781
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,679
Speaker 4: Oh my god, wow, I think I think they worked.

782
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,360
They're intentionally almost over the top in a way. That's like,

783
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:20,039
I just thought.

784
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 3: Everyone agreed to that Medix was the best of his movies.

785
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 4: No, it's what's so much?

786
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your favorite.

787
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:34,599
Speaker 2: Of Herschel besides NYMPHI? Well, I love Gorger Girls. I

788
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:35,360
think is my favorite.

789
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: I do like that one a lot too, because it's

790
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,920
it's it's the perfect it's Herschel putting all his stuff,

791
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:44,280
all his like weird quirks together.

792
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny, it's glory, and it's some color.

793
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, that's probably my favorite.

794
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: And we all have different we all have different favorites.

795
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,599
Speaker 1: I'm looking through his filmography, you see if I have

796
00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:57,840
any other like hot.

797
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 4: Hershel context besides me on the Moon. I don't like

798
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,079
dors Witchman's nudies. That's fair, but like I don't, Yeah,

799
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,000
there are weakiest movies. Yeah, but I do like well,

800
00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:11,079
I don't know, I like Diary of a Nudists. I

801
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,400
enjoy that because I like what's your face? Davy Decker?

802
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:17,559
I do like Davy Decker a lot? Okay, r I

803
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:23,480
P yeah, yeah, anything you can't see me.

804
00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 5: It's not a hot take, but I always say it

805
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,440
was wild that, like people liked the Amazing Transplant despite

806
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,760
the fact that the version that most everyone has seen

807
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:39,800
is cut.

808
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:43,159
Speaker 3: It's missing so much footage that was on the original VHS.

809
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:46,440
And if you haven't seen the original VHS, then you

810
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,159
have no idea that there's important stuff that's missing that

811
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,199
actually makes it slightly more comprehensible.

812
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 4: Well, or think about that, So that's why they like

813
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:57,800
it as much as they do, or it's like that,

814
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,760
it's like it's kind of a lot like in the

815
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,000
Last House of Dentistry. You can't see the original version,

816
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:04,880
like okay, like, what are you gonna do?

817
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 3: Well? Amazing? Well no, because and this ties into another

818
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,760
question that someone else asked. It's like when you know

819
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,920
it's a generation, it feels like a generational thing. Like

820
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,880
if you remember the original VHS and you know someone

821
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,719
else I talked to you about this for years was

822
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,880
Bruce Halicheck. Because Bruce Halicheck did a in the good

823
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,840
old Mobius home video forum days. He did a comparison,

824
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,480
like a video Watchdog style comparison of like, this is

825
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:33,320
missing at this minute, and this is like a two

826
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,400
minute singers a missing here, and I'm just like, well,

827
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,239
how the fuck did this happen? This is like a

828
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,199
major thing. So I was and then when it was

829
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:42,559
announcewer Blu Ray, I got really excited. I was like, oh, good,

830
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:46,480
they can fix this. Didn't fix it, so, you know,

831
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,599
I guess it's not really a hot take, but it's

832
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:51,760
just kind of like, I'm really surprised that this movie

833
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,079
developed a cult following, despite the fact that it's an

834
00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:57,239
edited version of the movie that is incomplete compared to

835
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,159
what was originally available on.

836
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,159
Speaker 4: Video, well at least a being wish Man, it doesn't

837
00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:04,000
feel incomplete unless you know and see it.

838
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: It's missing the cats for the first murder, I mean

839
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:13,960
that something version. It's yeah, it's available, it was on

840
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:18,679
I believe, Yes, yes, I have the original VHS. Yeah,

841
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:21,159
it's missing the catalyst for the first fucking murder. I'm

842
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:23,400
just like, you don't think it's stranger. He just kills

843
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,360
this girl out of nowhere. I mean, I guess it

844
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,559
makes sense, but it's also like, no, there's a reason

845
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:31,199
for this, Like there there is established stuff, like yeah,

846
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,639
not everything she made is like night to Dismember, Like

847
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:36,159
she at least has story beats that establish some kind

848
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:39,760
of motive. Yeah, a lot of that is missing in there,

849
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,039
and so it's just very strange. And now we have

850
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:46,079
a whole nother generation of people who also still have

851
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:49,320
no idea that they're missing. God, how much is missing?

852
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,679
I forget. I feel like it's between seven to ten minutes.

853
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,440
Maybe whoa, Oh, it's substantial. It's no, it's not just

854
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,760
like real change bits. No, it's like substantial.

855
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, wait, so what's the original what's the original length?

856
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 3: Now? I don't remember Bruce. Bruce would know because this

857
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,280
was like a big thing for most Bruce and I.

858
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,639
Speaker 2: Seventy seven minutes is what's listed most places. So I

859
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:15,920
don't know.

860
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: If I don't think the I don't think that's the

861
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:18,920
run time of the Blue Rays.

862
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:20,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know it was.

863
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,199
Speaker 4: I just recently saw it wasn't the seventy minute era.

864
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,679
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so yeah, UK d.

865
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,039
Speaker 3: Seventy one minutes. The UK DVD is cut as well,

866
00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:33,239
because they're all using the negative that Doris cut. So

867
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,159
the problem is Doris that's kind of like Double Age

868
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:38,519
of seventy three is also missing a scene.

869
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: Well maybe that's their reasoning, is like, well, Doris cut it.

870
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,039
Speaker 2: This way, so that's the version we're putting out.

871
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 4: Also, it's hard to find rips of the VHS version.

872
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,960
I can't find I haven't been able to find them yet.

873
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: You can't even sign like I'm on cinema again. And

874
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:54,039
I think that's probably why I'll send.

875
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:54,559
Speaker 2: It to you guys.

876
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, because like it.

877
00:46:56,519 --> 00:46:59,119
Speaker 3: Wasn't a lightning video, it was on electric video. Because

878
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:01,400
they also put out I think they also put out

879
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:06,639
let Me Die a Woman and another one of hers.

880
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,480
Oh they actually I think they did, didn't they do?

881
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,960
One or both of the Chessy Morgan's Electric wasn't around those.

882
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 4: They had to for us to figure out that some

883
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,519
of them were cut. So either Joe, Bob or well.

884
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:23,679
Speaker 3: Double Edge of seventy three I knew was cut because

885
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:28,679
I had an original something Weird VHS first, and then

886
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,199
I bought the DVD and I was like, oh, there's

887
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:33,719
a scene missing with the friend who establishes who the

888
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:34,639
hell this Girl is.

889
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,679
Speaker 4: Something weird versions it was.

890
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 3: Between yes, so that's why it's just and well, I

891
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,199
mean I have an AX VHS that was my first

892
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,480
VHS about it something weird that has all the violence

893
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:50,800
cut out. That's cool though, and then the DVD is

894
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,880
fully uncut and I'm like what what what is this?

895
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,239
So yeah, the discrepancy and see, that's the thing. This

896
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,519
is another generational thing, Like I think people were running

897
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:01,960
out of people who remember having to order and by

898
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:06,800
multiple variants of movies and having to like check run

899
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,519
times and like take notes of stuff. That's a very

900
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:11,880
video Watchdog era of stuff. People don't really have to

901
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,719
do that anymore. Worry about it. Yeah, that's not me,

902
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,000
that's not this is not me being old man yelling

903
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:19,800
at cloud. It's just kind of like, thank god, we

904
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,199
don't have to do that anymore. But then we have

905
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,519
situations like this where it's like, well, one would hope

906
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:26,039
this would have been fixed for generations because those are

907
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:28,679
never going to be reissued again. That's it, Like, those

908
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,239
are not going to be reissued again.

909
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,159
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I like Modo Digital.

910
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:39,679
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Thompson's reviews, he always notes, like all the previous iterations.

911
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 3: Nathaniel's really good at that. He's always been really good

912
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,920
at that. I think he notes in that in that

913
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,119
review of that release, he's like he's.

914
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 4: The one stillson, Yeah, breakdown, I think because he because

915
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,679
the three Nathaniel, Bruce and I.

916
00:48:57,559 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 3: Well, we're all part of We're all part of that

917
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,400
old Mobius video forum group, so we had talked about

918
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,400
it for a long time. So yeah, yeah, nathaniel'sang's been

919
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,400
around forever too. But all the old, all the old,

920
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:11,440
all the old sters.

921
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the good old video that was copied onto

922
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,280
the group. I remember when it blew up the great

923
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,199
door swish from blow Up but twenty twenty two or

924
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,679
something like that no one talks about.

925
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,199
Speaker 3: But nobody talks about the double age and seventy three thing.

926
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,119
I feel like I'm the only one that noticed that.

927
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 4: It's very because I read your first review way back

928
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,000
when I'm like, I know I'm missing stuff.

929
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 3: But then when they showed it as a print in anthology,

930
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,239
I went because it's the scene is in the fucking Prince.

931
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,599
So I was like, this is the only way I'm

932
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:43,400
going to be able to see the scene again. But

933
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,159
I have a VHS rup of that too that has

934
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:49,360
that scene in it, and it's I know, people, I

935
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,639
think that argument, which Gentry you kind of made, it's like,

936
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,079
well it's it's Doris wishmhen how logical could it be?

937
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:57,320
And it's just like, it definitely makes sense that when

938
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,280
the scene is in there, it makes more sense when

939
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,840
the stuff is in there. It's it's still in It's

940
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:07,480
still a nutty Doris Wishman joint. But you know, I

941
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:09,239
just think it's crazy she cut that stuff out and

942
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,360
there's no reason, rhyme or reason why. I don't think

943
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,000
Jimmy Maslin knew why she did it. She didn't do

944
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:16,760
it because a lot of the especially in Double A

945
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,360
is seventy three. The scene that's cut is not violent.

946
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:23,079
It's exposition. So I don't know why that was cut out.

947
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,599
Speaker 2: Speed don't move it along. I don't know.

948
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are so much more that could have sped

949
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,840
that movie along that they got it out, The scenes

950
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,639
with the dog throwing grass at the dog, and it's

951
00:50:34,679 --> 00:50:38,440
just like, why is this in here? Well, anyway, here's.

952
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,679
Speaker 1: My doors hot take is that I don't know. I

953
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,719
think Love Toy is her best movie.

954
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: It's up there.

955
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,119
Speaker 4: It's up there.

956
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 3: It's her sleaziest movie for sure.

957
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,639
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I think that's why I like it is

958
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:53,920
that it just goes further than.

959
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because it's it's right after alliver black and

960
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,239
white stuff, so it's kind of like, okay, we're shooting

961
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,079
this in color. That's one change, and then somehow more

962
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:04,599
grotesque than any of the other Ruffies ever were.

963
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

964
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's spirit what sheets, nasty everything about.

965
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of like I need to talk I

966
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:14,960
need to talk to Bowen about that because I'm just like,

967
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,159
what was going on in her personal life for her

968
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:22,480
to make such a drastic change in like the themes

969
00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:25,519
and everything in that movie. It's so bad. It feels

970
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:26,800
like it came before.

971
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 4: Hardcore movie with the hardcore removed, Like it's just does it.

972
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: Feels very different.

973
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:36,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then she got to Doris Wishman after.

974
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,639
Speaker 4: I'm like, udo, why are you even still here? Like

975
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,639
go home? You're done with your car now, You're like,

976
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:41,400
what is going.

977
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,559
Speaker 3: She's so but she's so good in that likes like

978
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,760
she's like she's she looks like a cat that ate

979
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,199
the canary the whole movie, Like she's just so sinister

980
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:54,119
with her little smile on her face, just loving everything.

981
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: Well. I also I'm like the world's biggest Larry Hunter

982
00:51:58,079 --> 00:51:59,360
fan too, so that helps.

983
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: He's good.

984
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why you need to see Love Is Where

985
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:04,920
It's At, because he's good on that.

986
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,599
Speaker 4: You see loves Where It's At. You see the Sporting

987
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:10,719
House because he's a crazy fetish one as well.

988
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 3: Well you see it anyway.

989
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

990
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 4: Oh, she's good in that one too, because's the evil

991
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:22,559
madam in which one in Sporting House. Yes, she is good.

992
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 3: It's a good role for it's a very good role.

993
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,599
It's another one of her good sixties roles. Yeah, she's Yeah.

994
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 4: Highly recommend the sport House. Everyone yell at Melo scene

995
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,079
to get this Sporting House out too. That's another good

996
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:33,519
It would have.

997
00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:36,519
Speaker 3: Been included in the Ron Sullivan early years. There was

998
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:38,800
room for a fourth There was room for a fourth movie.

999
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, why it wasn't.

1000
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,599
Speaker 4: Everyone detention girl, save attention girls in this sporting House

1001
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:47,480
to Stephen. Okay, I can that's a good All right,

1002
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:56,960
let's go. Let's good. It's a prison one. It's one

1003
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,559
that's show in actual prison. It's another black and white

1004
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:03,320
Ron Soan. The only other one besides the sporing House.

1005
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:06,039
Speaker 1: It's not on your lost list, so I assume it's around.

1006
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 3: I don't think.

1007
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah, it's not. I don't think it is.

1008
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 3: There's a lot of Ron Sullivan missing on there.

1009
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 4: It's around, it does exist. I've just only seen stills

1010
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,079
of like Jennifer Wells behind actual bars and like half

1011
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,480
naked women scrubbing floors in a prison and something like that.

1012
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, it's on, it's someone ated, it's a letterbox.

1013
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,280
The director's list is John Rappaport and it's uh not

1014
00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:38,280
and it's uh yeah. So that's why release all of

1015
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,320
his all of Ron stuff was for Sam Lake when

1016
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:43,360
he was Ron Sullivan.

1017
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:46,039
Speaker 2: Who hells John Rappaport.

1018
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 3: Good question. I don't know where that invoke came from.

1019
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I need add this to my list. Then absolutely

1020
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,480
I got more. Yeah, like Mary like Mary LeMay is

1021
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:58,719
some like Warden lady in it. It looks like like it.

1022
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,400
Just I love Mary Love so much. The fact that

1023
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:05,480
in this Sporting House made me so pissed. She's in

1024
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:07,960
one shot she walks through a doorway and that's it.

1025
00:54:08,519 --> 00:54:11,679
Are you kidding me wrong? It's Mary LeMay that we

1026
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,039
know of, we know of that's the thing. We don't know.

1027
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:18,639
We don't know if that's her real name.

1028
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: No, we don't know if there's if she's in the movie.

1029
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,199
Oh you mean Detention Girls are Sporing House. Oh I

1030
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,039
thought you were talking about Detention Girls, because.

1031
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 4: Girls, she's she's in that. I've seen the still But like,

1032
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,840
I was disappointed with this Sporting House. I was waiting

1033
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,800
for Mary this whole time. She walks in in one

1034
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,360
shot and is never seen again.

1035
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, she thought she was even in that.

1036
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:39,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because she walks in one thing being like

1037
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:41,840
everyone's coming to the to the sporting House is gonna

1038
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,440
get crazy, and then she just disappears.

1039
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:49,119
Speaker 2: Where does this? Where does this fandom come from?

1040
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 4: Like, I just love I love older amazing.

1041
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 3: She's the mom an amazing transplant, She's the mad this

1042
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,760
member she gets killed night to Dismember. Uh, she's the mom.

1043
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,960
And Jesi goes to pot which is missing. But she's

1044
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,559
a big part of the trailer and Larry Hunter in

1045
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:11,039
a back that movie, she's the creepy Larry Hunters wife.

1046
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:13,960
Did you ever think about that Maybe she's Larry Hunter's wife.

1047
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 2: Could be Yeah, I'm gonna be there that I just

1048
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:17,840
creaked out.

1049
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,119
Speaker 4: Sorry, there weren't all.

1050
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 3: The same movies together. Maybe they were. Maybe there were

1051
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:23,239
husband and.

1052
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 4: Wife except for one or two. Yeah, oh my god, will.

1053
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 3: Never know because Larry's gone. Yeah, I keep saying it

1054
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,320
on this podcast. Bowen would know, so we'll ask.

1055
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. Once I saw Mary LeMay as

1056
00:55:38,039 --> 00:55:41,320
that like whip wielding dominatrix lady in Lust Weekend, that

1057
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,199
was like, you're my gal. She's the only good thing

1058
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,000
if you asked me. Yeah, I love Mary.

1059
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:50,159
Speaker 3: She's way too old to be in these movies. I

1060
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:51,559
think that's why I'm interested in her.

1061
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:56,519
Speaker 4: I like her, That's why I like that.

1062
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1063
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 4: I love seeing the older ladies who just like randomly.

1064
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,159
Speaker 3: Yes, like.

1065
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 4: You seem to be having a great time, Yeah, Belle Donna,

1066
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,320
Mary seems to be having a good old time with

1067
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,199
what they're doing and stuff. So just like, why are

1068
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,920
you doing Yeah, so late in your career. What did

1069
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,599
you do before? Were you like a Dolly sharp and

1070
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,239
like had this whole other life and SHOWI is elsewhere

1071
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:18,639
that we don't know about, Like, just.

1072
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: Uh do we have this? Actually?

1073
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 4: You know what?

1074
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,599
Speaker 3: I'm looking over the questions. I'm like, I feel like

1075
00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:47,039
We answered everything except there's one that I feel like

1076
00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:51,679
we should all answer, which is this this It's okay,

1077
00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:55,119
are you in the chart? I just highlighted it this one?

1078
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,599
Speaker 4: Oh, I have things to say about that. Oh my god.

1079
00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 3: So maybe is that that is? Is that a going

1080
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:01,320
to clothes on?

1081
00:57:01,639 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah? Okay.

1082
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,559
Speaker 3: Well I also will say, just briefly, the other question

1083
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:09,559
I didn't see an answer to, will there an episode

1084
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:14,280
on Cosmos Films? Not not the California shot Cosmos Films.

1085
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:18,079
There are two New York shot Cosmos films. Because Cosmos

1086
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:23,239
Films was was ted was Teddy and Tommy who owned

1087
00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:26,800
the Capri Cinema, and they had a deal with Leo

1088
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,920
Todd to do two films, and one was The Mind

1089
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,519
Blowers and one was Hot Erotic Dreams, which we've referenced

1090
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:36,159
in this on this before because it's in London, who

1091
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:40,199
Alex and I are madly in love with. Yes, So

1092
00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:42,679
those are two Cosmos films that I could see us

1093
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:48,199
talking about after that partnership ended. They Oh that was

1094
00:57:48,239 --> 00:57:49,199
Cosmos Films.

1095
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:50,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the first one.

1096
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 3: Really.

1097
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was like their first ever one. And then

1098
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:55,800
there were the two Oh.

1099
00:57:55,719 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 3: No, I don't remember that interesting because the Leo Todd

1100
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:03,199
the ones that I remember one, Oh yeah, that's.

1101
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,159
Speaker 4: The cover Peacock one. That's weird because also life sound

1102
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:08,920
Throughout's House. It's an odd one.

1103
00:58:09,679 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 3: Oh right, Well he also did wasn't he? He was

1104
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:13,480
involved with Horotic Trim.

1105
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:15,079
Speaker 2: I think he edited it.

1106
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 3: So so yeah, the Cosmos film shot in New York,

1107
00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:23,360
potentially the ones shot in California, Hard Hard, No, those

1108
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:28,639
are terrible, terrible, terrible pieces of ship shot apparently possibly

1109
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:32,800
four movies in a day. They're terrible, terrible pieces of ship.

1110
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:34,679
We will not be covered.

1111
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 4: There's also that three D one.

1112
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:46,559
Speaker 3: Oh swingtail tail either we're not talking about swingtail either. No,

1113
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:50,079
we're not talking about swingtail either. So potentially higher rotic

1114
00:58:50,119 --> 00:58:52,079
treams mind blowers. I don't want to talk on meeting

1115
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:54,840
on sixty nine straight. So, like I said, the two

1116
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,039
that I mentioned are the ones people talk about. Potentially,

1117
00:58:58,239 --> 00:58:59,840
because those are ones we're talking.

1118
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:02,679
Speaker 2: About, maybe we'll put them together.

1119
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we should, yes, because yeah, the progression

1120
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,159
of Cosmos films when it's tied to the Capri Cinema

1121
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,800
is when it goes downhill and then it is gross

1122
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,840
and then they get involved with hardcore and they give

1123
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,360
money to like Shan Coslo and stuff. But so, yes,

1124
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:21,119
I wanted that to be a short answer and it

1125
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:24,960
became long. But yeah, So the last so our last question,

1126
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,559
which probably will have a long answer to. All right,

1127
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:29,880
so do you want me to read this question?

1128
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:31,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go ahead.

1129
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:36,519
Speaker 3: Okay, So last question. So the question is, so the

1130
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:38,960
person asking says, I'm in my mid twenties and anyone

1131
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,760
of my age that I ever talk about exploitation hardcore

1132
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,800
films so exploitation slash hardcore films with is never interested

1133
00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:48,559
and has no desire to be interested in these films.

1134
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,440
Do you think there ever is a point where, once

1135
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,679
a certain group of people are gone, these films will

1136
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:56,639
genuinely be forgotten about Alex As someone in their twenties,

1137
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:59,760
I would like to hear your perspective first, to be honest.

1138
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 4: Honestly, Well, Casey, you were in your twenties first during this.

1139
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,119
I want to hear yours first, because you were in

1140
01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:08,199
your twenty's, a different era I was than I am

1141
01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:09,079
my teens.

1142
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 3: I was in my teens during this. I was well,

1143
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,400
I was two years old when I started doing this.

1144
01:00:13,519 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 4: But back in your twenties, because like that was you know, yeah,

1145
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,000
almost different nowadays. How is it back West when you

1146
01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:22,320
were in your twenties for this genre.

1147
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 3: Well, I had everyone I talked to about these ones

1148
01:00:26,519 --> 01:00:29,079
were older. They were not my age except for people

1149
01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:31,719
like I think, well like Bruce and Nathaniel war around

1150
01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:34,679
my age. I think Nathaniel might have been a little

1151
01:00:34,679 --> 01:00:36,599
and I think us a little older, but general the

1152
01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:39,800
same age age ish, And I think the Internet was

1153
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:44,119
helpful because it helped me connect other people with similar interests.

1154
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:49,559
But I think it's cyclical because I think and then

1155
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:52,599
as I got older, Joe Rubin was in his teens too,

1156
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:55,320
and so it's interesting as like I get older as

1157
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,360
I get older, and then Joe is older but still

1158
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:02,239
like a decade younger than me, and we're still involved

1159
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,800
with trying to get the word out there. And the

1160
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,039
fact that someone in their twenties is asking this question

1161
01:01:07,199 --> 01:01:11,280
means that it's working still, that they're still I think

1162
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,360
that's how the next generations will find out about these

1163
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,679
It's like any film. Really, I think if you, I think,

1164
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:18,559
if you keep talking about it and make sure that

1165
01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:21,559
they're available, then I think that people will continue want

1166
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:23,199
to talk about them. I mean, film noir still has

1167
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,159
legs and we're going on almost one hundred years since

1168
01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:28,199
it started. Well that's a little different because it's more respectable,

1169
01:01:28,239 --> 01:01:31,519
but it's also the conversation is still going because well,

1170
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:32,639
back in your.

1171
01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:34,159
Speaker 4: Day to day when you were in film school, like

1172
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:36,760
when you're publishing that right up on Smell of Honey

1173
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,599
and things like that, were any of your contemporaries at

1174
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:42,199
that time also going to school with you at all?

1175
01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:47,000
When they heard from you, like oh uh huh no,

1176
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:49,480
Like no, okay, because.

1177
01:01:50,199 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 3: Wait, my contemporaries then, or do you just like you

1178
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,119
fellow film students you were with, Like, was anyone at

1179
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:59,079
all that you knew then in their twenties work still

1180
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,079
into these films? Yeah, or at least trying.

1181
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 4: To like like did you do think and give you

1182
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:06,719
any interest in that sense?

1183
01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:11,079
Speaker 3: Not really, I mean eventually they started finding out about

1184
01:02:11,079 --> 01:02:15,480
them through like John Waters would talk about russ Meyer,

1185
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,199
and russ Meyer is always a good gateway Tarantino mildly helpful,

1186
01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:22,519
but most not really about sex films. But it helps

1187
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:24,679
when there's something in pop cultures like geice that you

1188
01:02:24,719 --> 01:02:27,840
can like refer people too. So like Boogie Nights was

1189
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,079
a big one for people to talk about hardcore sexploitation.

1190
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:33,599
Didn't really have that except for like a John Waters

1191
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:36,360
talking about Russ Meyer and Oulcus Hash of Shame and

1192
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,920
things like that. But yeah, most of the people that

1193
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,320
I knew that were I could talk to the about

1194
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:45,719
these films were older. They were all at least ten

1195
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,360
years older than me, except for people that at least

1196
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,480
in my at least in person. That's the way it was.

1197
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:52,639
Speaker 4: Like.

1198
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 3: Even when I was at NYU, it was me and

1199
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,960
Dan Erdman, We're kind of the guys looking and researching

1200
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,400
about you know, porn and stuff, and I was the

1201
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,400
only one that was excited about that. Michael Bowen went

1202
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,320
to n y U and so I met with Michael

1203
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,679
Bowen and that was like a big, a big moment

1204
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:09,920
for me because I've been a big Michael Bowen person.

1205
01:03:11,199 --> 01:03:14,039
But yeah, Michael is much older than me. So it's like,

1206
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,000
you know, it's it's one of those things where like

1207
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:21,599
at the next it's it's it's not it's kind of

1208
01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:25,599
it can be lonely no that you're the only person

1209
01:03:25,639 --> 01:03:28,400
in your age group. But then I've also I've been

1210
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,239
into pop culture, so that was never popular, like I mean,

1211
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:35,079
I've people made fun of me in high school because

1212
01:03:35,079 --> 01:03:37,199
I was I was a Janish Joplin person and she'd

1213
01:03:37,199 --> 01:03:39,480
been dead for years, and so people didn't know why

1214
01:03:39,519 --> 01:03:41,840
I was listening to this dead singer who's still my

1215
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:46,559
favorite singer. So I've always been into stuff that people

1216
01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:49,880
aren't necessarily into, and I think I think that's true

1217
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,679
for a lot of people in media and pop culture

1218
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:54,800
and stuff. Here you find your people, but until then

1219
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:57,239
you kind of feel like you're the only person swimming,

1220
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:01,400
like swimming upstream against like a wave of other stuff

1221
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,960
that is not even adjacent to exploitation.

1222
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, like for me, because yeah, for me, how joever

1223
01:04:10,239 --> 01:04:12,199
was te you younger than you? I was then like

1224
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,679
how yeah, I'm around now ten years younger. Wait, I

1225
01:04:16,719 --> 01:04:19,280
always am when I thinking than Joe ro and then

1226
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,400
he was mine pretty much for you, which, yeah, Joe

1227
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,400
was you than me?

1228
01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:28,199
Speaker 3: And then and then and.

1229
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:30,159
Speaker 4: Then So the way that cycle happened was that that

1230
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:35,320
I found Joe, he found he found me, actually, and

1231
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:39,519
that has always been like even before, Yeah, only people

1232
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:42,920
at least a third my third more or something like that,

1233
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,159
or like God, the first one I was seriously speaking

1234
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:48,960
to I was like sixteen was Jimmy McDonough way back when,

1235
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,639
and and things like that, and at least at that

1236
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:54,360
point the Facebook group had become a thing and stuff,

1237
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,519
so it's a bit easier. But yeah, in person to this,

1238
01:04:57,719 --> 01:05:00,199
to whoever, I feel like I know who's who who

1239
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:03,199
who asked this? No, I think it's just me and you, man,

1240
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:09,000
because literally I have not found anyone else who for

1241
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:12,360
contact people out there. I'm twenty five people who have

1242
01:05:12,639 --> 01:05:17,440
like people my age, people who are into film at

1243
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,320
the most, they kind of get a kick out of

1244
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,559
the really crazy stories and how the industry worked, Like

1245
01:05:24,719 --> 01:05:27,320
like like hearing a story about filmstrip, you're like, like

1246
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,199
Cheli Wilson will get a kick out of and things

1247
01:05:29,239 --> 01:05:32,440
like that. But that's like that weirdness is kind of

1248
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,559
the most they'll be interested in. Or you have like

1249
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,400
god like quercial like hipster kids being like I kind

1250
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,199
of think monochromatic kits are neat, but like the thought

1251
01:05:45,199 --> 01:05:46,920
will that's about it.

1252
01:05:47,679 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 3: I just I just had a very visceral, you.

1253
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 4: Know, talking about.

1254
01:05:56,039 --> 01:06:02,599
Speaker 3: I I'm sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt. That was very.

1255
01:06:03,239 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 4: What I'm talking about. And I've had to suffer them

1256
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,079
that as well, too, I've had. I thought I had

1257
01:06:07,079 --> 01:06:08,559
someone who I thought was gonna be a big person.

1258
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:10,920
They're like I kind of like the black and white

1259
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,800
underwear aesthetic a bit or like whatever. Like no one's serious.

1260
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,280
No one is serious compared to who I think asked

1261
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:24,599
this question. Our agent takes the stuff very seriously, if

1262
01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:27,880
at all, for the most part, Like, no, there's I

1263
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,480
can't think definitively unless someone else has not shown their

1264
01:06:31,519 --> 01:06:34,079
face yet in any of the circles. No one's shown

1265
01:06:34,159 --> 01:06:37,599
up on the something Weird Facebook group, no one's comments

1266
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:42,639
to Underson syndicate. I can't find anyone else. No one's

1267
01:06:42,639 --> 01:06:43,400
shown up yet.

1268
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:46,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a hard cell.

1269
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: We've talked about this before, but I think, like Casey

1270
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,880
said as well, I think it is cyclical, and I

1271
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:57,519
don't know I sent certain movement amongst the youth with

1272
01:06:57,679 --> 01:07:00,760
regard to I've been getting burnt down out by what

1273
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,480
they're being fed through, you know, streaming services. You know

1274
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:09,760
what I like about sexploitation films and sixties and seventies

1275
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,199
films in general is that everything is very tactile. You know,

1276
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:16,679
everything that you see on screen was being made by

1277
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,800
real people and real artisans.

1278
01:07:20,039 --> 01:07:22,679
Speaker 2: I think that that is a thought or I think

1279
01:07:22,679 --> 01:07:23,079
that is.

1280
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: People are realizing what's missing when they, you know, are watching.

1281
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,800
I don't know, maybe they are, maybe they're not, you know,

1282
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,320
I just see people making fun of like stranger things

1283
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,239
like CGI, and it's just like, yeah, that shit sucks.

1284
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,159
There is other stuff out there. You don't have to

1285
01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:39,480
watch this, correct.

1286
01:07:39,559 --> 01:07:42,519
Speaker 4: I think. I think it does also also pertain to

1287
01:07:42,639 --> 01:07:47,039
their a their availability, and also be which ones are

1288
01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:50,519
available like as well too, like ones again that are

1289
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:54,800
easier to again dip their toes in, like I'd say

1290
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,360
too honestly someone because I've like spoke each other film

1291
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,679
people who are like okay, I think i'd like, you know,

1292
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,639
like like aroused you like something like like like that

1293
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,639
or like yeah yeah yeah or something or something or

1294
01:08:07,679 --> 01:08:09,639
like like or something like that, but aroused you. It's

1295
01:08:09,639 --> 01:08:13,880
not easy to find. It's not convenient. A lot of

1296
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,640
these are not convenient to stumble across, right, and the

1297
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,399
ones that aren't always the best out of the bunch,

1298
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:21,800
like or.

1299
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,520
Speaker 1: As well to or they are convenient to watch because

1300
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,520
they're on YouTube, but they're like cut down or.

1301
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:28,560
Speaker 2: In shitty quality.

1302
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, I get those questions a lot like, oh,

1303
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,680
where do I watch this? It's just like, I know

1304
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,439
what you're asking. You're asking is if if this is

1305
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,760
on YouTube? No, it's not, that's what you're a It's

1306
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,199
not that's that's the answer you want. So I'm just

1307
01:08:41,239 --> 01:08:44,960
not even going to reply because if I tell you

1308
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,000
where to go, they.

1309
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,399
Speaker 3: Never have been. You're not going to You're not going

1310
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:49,800
to make.

1311
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: The effort unless it's like on YouTube.

1312
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I mean, but also a lot of

1313
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:00,319
stuff is shockingly on archive dot org, and I think

1314
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:03,640
people forget that as a resource, and that's where there's

1315
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,359
a lot of pink stuff that I've been lucky to see.

1316
01:09:06,359 --> 01:09:09,039
The Dakota and Chris have recommended it's on there, and

1317
01:09:09,079 --> 01:09:12,079
sometimes the subtitles and there. They don't have a thing

1318
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:14,479
about nudity on archive dot org. Folks, you would think

1319
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:18,079
they would. They don't, So you'd be shocked at this

1320
01:09:18,119 --> 01:09:21,000
explanation that is available for free on archived dot org.

1321
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,760
I go go do a search and see what turns up.

1322
01:09:24,119 --> 01:09:28,359
But yeah, I mean, it's always been something and I

1323
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:33,319
think that's why it also was very easy to collect

1324
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:36,439
these and get into this stuff when something weird had

1325
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,760
to deal with image because DVDs were much more affordable

1326
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,560
at that point. You were being able to buy them

1327
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,560
ten to twenty dollars limit, you know that range. They

1328
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,680
deals with borders. I mean, you know, they they were

1329
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,920
very easy to get a hold of. They had they

1330
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,680
had appealing artwork, like they would draw you in and

1331
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,399
be like, well, what is this looks as this looks

1332
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:57,079
really interesting?

1333
01:09:57,119 --> 01:09:57,520
Speaker 4: What is this?

1334
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, the lack in where where are you going to

1335
01:10:01,119 --> 01:10:04,199
stumble across that stuff in the landscape as it is now?

1336
01:10:04,279 --> 01:10:07,319
You have to be actively looking for it or be

1337
01:10:07,399 --> 01:10:10,159
friends with someone like one of us who is going

1338
01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:12,520
to be like, you know what, give this a watch,

1339
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,800
and like, here's a link to watch it if available.

1340
01:10:16,279 --> 01:10:20,359
But it's such a good gateway movie. And that's when

1341
01:10:20,359 --> 01:10:23,399
that's another reason why I'm like, yeah, film.

1342
01:10:23,239 --> 01:10:26,199
Speaker 4: Scholars, Yeah, because regular film, like film study like scholars

1343
01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:28,000
and things like that. That's a real movie, like at the

1344
01:10:28,119 --> 01:10:30,399
very least, you know, like even the sex scenes are

1345
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,520
very well paced and stuff. You can completely take from

1346
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,279
that and be like okay, right, so on so forth.

1347
01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:38,439
But yeah, there's not an era where film people can, like,

1348
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,560
because I've heard from other people from that era be like, yeah,

1349
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,359
all of sudden weirds on display like right beside criterion

1350
01:10:44,399 --> 01:10:46,520
and stuff. It's all mixed in with all the other

1351
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:51,199
like sinophile product right there for everyone to see.

1352
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:55,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think blind buying. Now. You mentioned that

1353
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,039
it's tough for you to blind buy in this economy,

1354
01:10:58,199 --> 01:11:01,439
which I think is very true. You can't be like, well,

1355
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:03,600
i've heard good reviews of the s of the sarn

1356
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,920
of Joe Sarno, so I'm gonna buy the side on scene.

1357
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:07,560
And then you see Newton Charcoal and Bend and how

1358
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,319
to make It. One of those is a good example

1359
01:11:09,359 --> 01:11:12,520
of his work. The other you'd be like, oh, well,

1360
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:13,920
I don't know if I want to see any more

1361
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,279
of this guy's stuff. And I bought this blind, so

1362
01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:18,039
now I have this, and it's just kind of you know,

1363
01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:20,479
it is the the market has changed so much that

1364
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,399
you really have to take a lot of chances, and

1365
01:11:23,039 --> 01:11:25,199
it's tough when there are so many boutique labels that

1366
01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:27,560
have all kinds of different genres. So why would you

1367
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,079
decide to quote unquote settle for something that is so

1368
01:11:31,319 --> 01:11:33,920
niche as a sex film, especially in a in a

1369
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:39,880
climate where sex and nudity is really not as Yeah,

1370
01:11:40,079 --> 01:11:43,920
embraced as it once was, even in like non problematic ways,

1371
01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:46,640
like you know, I mean, you know, you can say

1372
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,479
these films are as problematic as you want, but there's

1373
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,640
still something historically interesting about them. There's there's a reason

1374
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,119
why a lot of the stars still have cult followings,

1375
01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:55,319
the directors have followings.

1376
01:11:55,399 --> 01:11:58,239
Speaker 4: So yeah, exactly because because I totally forgot that, Like

1377
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:00,319
I do. I have had like friends in my age

1378
01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:03,279
bracket who are like, oh, yeah, I love several films,

1379
01:12:03,319 --> 01:12:04,840
I love this and that and things like that, but

1380
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,760
they just mean jallos, yes, and that's it, and that's

1381
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,319
it's like, oh, it's so cool you did this and

1382
01:12:10,359 --> 01:12:12,880
this and this, and it's like a right, no one

1383
01:12:14,279 --> 01:12:15,199
but the jalla like.

1384
01:12:15,359 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 3: You know, like, but that is why. But also those

1385
01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:21,159
a lot of companies do the smart thing and where

1386
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:23,680
they also snap up the storming the streaming rights to

1387
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:27,960
stuff that they get. So I use to be as

1388
01:12:28,399 --> 01:12:30,920
a test drive. That's my test drive. If something goes

1389
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:32,680
out on Blu Ray and it's on it's on stream,

1390
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,600
it's streaming on two b I don't care if it

1391
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,560
has commercials. I'm testing it to see if I need

1392
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,319
to buy it. Sex quotation you don't get that luxury,

1393
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,319
you kind of have to go with it. For example,

1394
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:44,119
to pick up that limited edition, snap it up immediately

1395
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:47,479
because I knew what that was. Where is anyone gonna

1396
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:51,640
know who the fuck Dave Friedman, Leaf Frost, Bob Pressey

1397
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:56,239
are to buy that release able to? They can't. They

1398
01:12:56,319 --> 01:12:59,199
can't test pick up anywhere. They can't even test drive

1399
01:12:59,239 --> 01:13:02,399
Man Mause sex anywhere. So they can't test drive the

1400
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:04,239
Scavengers or hot Spur anywhere.

1401
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 4: Actually, it's just like I think they could put exploitation

1402
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:08,960
stuff on to be like the Lighter.

1403
01:13:09,079 --> 01:13:12,079
Speaker 3: Yes they could. The issue is that nobody is doing it,

1404
01:13:12,199 --> 01:13:12,840
that's the problem.

1405
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, they've only done the.

1406
01:13:15,039 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 3: Art Manuel ripeoffs on. There are manual ripoffs on to

1407
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,319
be honestly, District Picks has R rated versions of Through

1408
01:13:23,359 --> 01:13:26,279
the Looking Glass Roommates. All of that stuff should be

1409
01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:28,840
on to B. Oh, they have scans, they have scans

1410
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,079
of the stuff. Get it on to B. What's the problem, Like,

1411
01:13:32,279 --> 01:13:34,600
there are opportunities here for sex stuff that I think

1412
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,439
people think, well they think of to B as YouTube.

1413
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:39,880
They have R rated stuff on there. They have cannibal

1414
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:41,720
fucking holocaust on there.

1415
01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:43,359
Speaker 2: Part on there do.

1416
01:13:43,279 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 3: You think they're gonna they well platinum, uh, Retrostroduction got platinum,

1417
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:49,239
pussy Cat.

1418
01:13:49,079 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 4: Pussy Ad they.

1419
01:13:54,399 --> 01:13:54,520
Speaker 1: There.

1420
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know why because I think I think

1421
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:00,800
they think, well, they're giving away the milk for free,

1422
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,520
and it's like, no, if people see it and like it,

1423
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,880
they will buy it. Because the same applies to every

1424
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,399
other genre. If I watch something on two B and

1425
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:08,680
I like it, I'm buying it.

1426
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1427
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:10,039
Speaker 1: You know.

1428
01:14:11,079 --> 01:14:14,560
Speaker 4: Also, some suituitation films are good as free or extra stuff,

1429
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,479
like I correct, there's some there's.

1430
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:21,039
Speaker 3: Put aroused on to be like, if people are able

1431
01:14:21,079 --> 01:14:23,479
to see it and talk about it more, I think

1432
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:28,000
that that will continue to keep it alive. But yeah,

1433
01:14:28,039 --> 01:14:29,560
So the greater part of this question is when you

1434
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,039
think that people are gone, are these films going to

1435
01:14:32,039 --> 01:14:35,079
be forgotten all over again? I personally don't think so.

1436
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,079
I think because it is cyclical, I think that they're

1437
01:14:38,079 --> 01:14:42,359
going to be Yeah, Like, I'm in my forties, Center,

1438
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,960
I'm going to say, you're in your thirties and Alex here,

1439
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,920
I feel like you're in your twenties. I feel like

1440
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:51,720
we're all things separated by like I'm not allowing you

1441
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,680
to correct me. We'll just say you're thirty thirty three,

1442
01:14:55,159 --> 01:14:58,520
and so we'll just say that. So I feel like

1443
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,039
it's like every other every decade there's there's new people

1444
01:15:03,039 --> 01:15:06,039
discovering these films through one way or another. I think

1445
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:08,399
I think it's kind of like silent films. You know,

1446
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,840
silent films still make money. Flicker Alley is still in business.

1447
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,119
Who is buying silent films these days? All the people

1448
01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:17,479
that remember seeing them in the Good those people are

1449
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,600
dead and they haven't been broadcasts in television in years.

1450
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,640
But people still love Clara Bo, people still love John

1451
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,159
Barrymore and Lily and Gish and all these people who's

1452
01:15:26,199 --> 01:15:29,960
buying these It is, It's definitely a thing. It's like

1453
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,960
people in the know will keep it alive and then

1454
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,119
they can communicate that to other people. I think it

1455
01:15:35,239 --> 01:15:38,279
for sexploitation was a little tougher because it is something

1456
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:43,640
now where sex and nudity is so discomforting to discuss

1457
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:44,840
or treat seriously.

1458
01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:49,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's to share with other people because they

1459
01:15:49,359 --> 01:15:50,520
feel guilty.

1460
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 4: They're like yes, or they think it has a pervert

1461
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,520
or they think it has the proper applications into illegal

1462
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,840
and afarious things that happen to people right in the scenes,

1463
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,520
which wasn't as much of a thing in sex plantation. Yes,

1464
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,119
like people people think it's yeah, people think it's like

1465
01:16:07,239 --> 01:16:10,560
contemporary hardcore stuff's going on, you know, Like there's a

1466
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,680
lot of misconceptions in that realm. Well that's why why

1467
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,000
should we study it? Because it seems like it's legal thing,

1468
01:16:17,079 --> 01:16:17,920
you know, like.

1469
01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:20,399
Speaker 3: But it also makes it like so we're like one

1470
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:25,079
of the last remaining kind of cult communities in film

1471
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:29,800
because it is something that is discussed with like a

1472
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,279
small group of people that sometimes you can bring people

1473
01:16:32,319 --> 01:16:34,119
into the fold, but you have to know what they're into.

1474
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,960
And that's why, like, for example, I could going back

1475
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,479
to Dakota and Chris, they recommended all these Roman pornos

1476
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:43,520
to me, full of sexual assault, violence against women. They know,

1477
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,560
based on my experiences with ruppies and sex films, they

1478
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,520
can recommend stuff to me and I will watch it

1479
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,720
and I will love it because I can approach it

1480
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:54,880
with a certain perspective. But there's I can't then turn

1481
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,720
around and recommend like zoom up rape apartment, zoom in

1482
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:02,239
rape apartments to anybody, you know, I just can't do that.

1483
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,800
So it kind of stops with me until I find

1484
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,439
somebody else. So that can be like, okay, Well, if

1485
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:13,159
you like horror and you know you're you're okay with

1486
01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:17,119
a woman finding some kind of sexual agents straight through trauma,

1487
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:19,880
then you might like this. Do you like thriller a

1488
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,399
cool picture, then you might really like this because it's similar.

1489
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:26,600
You have to test the waters, I think. But there

1490
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,960
aren't that many others honors where the fans have to

1491
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,119
do that. Horror fans don't really have to do that

1492
01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:34,279
because everyone likes at least one horror movie, you know. Ye,

1493
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:36,800
But we have talked about that, you know, whereas we

1494
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:38,520
have talked about that where it's like we can't recommend

1495
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:42,600
the no backs to the no back country country sex

1496
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,720
movies to people unless they are established exploitation people.

1497
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:50,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Rus Meyers was to recommend, Like when I

1498
01:17:50,239 --> 01:17:52,439
first watched those in my beginning, when I was like

1499
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,239
fifteen or so, yeah, I was like these should be burned.

1500
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,600
I was like these sub Sullivan Felts, these like, oh

1501
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,520
my god, they're they're tough. Nowadays, oh oh goodness, all

1502
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,920
day every day. But back then I was like, Mike Rainy,

1503
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,479
you have terrible taste. Fuck something weird. This is awful,

1504
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:09,640
I know, awful stuff.

1505
01:18:09,359 --> 01:18:11,399
Speaker 3: But there's also but it's also like there is some

1506
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:16,159
maturing that comes with and this is an it took

1507
01:18:16,199 --> 01:18:17,720
a while for me to come to this where I've

1508
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:19,720
said on this podcast before, I used to fast forward

1509
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,520
through sex scenes and if there wasn't anything worthwhile in

1510
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,359
between the sex scenes or it didn't grab me, then

1511
01:18:24,399 --> 01:18:26,000
I was like, well, this is a piece of shit movie,

1512
01:18:26,319 --> 01:18:29,279
ignoring the fact that you know, sometimes the sex scenes

1513
01:18:29,279 --> 01:18:31,720
are why these exist. And if they're well done enough

1514
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:36,840
and they're compelling enough, and they feature cast members that

1515
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,319
I like and I like seeing like and they're enjoying themselves,

1516
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:42,079
then that is kind of the joy in some of

1517
01:18:42,119 --> 01:18:44,239
these films, and that you're just seeing people pretend to

1518
01:18:44,279 --> 01:18:46,840
have sex and it's well shot and they look like

1519
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,880
they're having their joyful and enjoying sex in the sixties

1520
01:18:50,039 --> 01:18:52,720
and it's like free love whatever. But there is a

1521
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,479
maturing in there where now I'm much more comfortable with

1522
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,439
sex in nudity in general, when I was not for

1523
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,560
a long time. It takes you have to kind of, yeah,

1524
01:19:03,359 --> 01:19:06,079
you kind of have to unlearn that. You have to

1525
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:09,920
unlearn a lot of shit that society puts on you, like, well,

1526
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,920
sex is bad only only within the confines of marriage.

1527
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,000
That doesn't. And then it's tough for me because I'm like,

1528
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:18,039
well I'm gay. People hate me for other reasons. I don't.

1529
01:19:18,079 --> 01:19:21,880
I hate sex because I'm supposed to, you know, because

1530
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,560
I shouldn't be having it. Uh So, well, do you

1531
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:26,119
have any of them?

1532
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:27,159
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1533
01:19:27,159 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: I talked about like the pornification of our modern world,

1534
01:19:32,199 --> 01:19:36,680
where anything nudity is like, well, this should be consumed

1535
01:19:37,159 --> 01:19:38,680
alone in my bedroom.

1536
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:40,399
Speaker 2: Nobody else should know about.

1537
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:44,079
Speaker 1: This, right when that was not the case when these

1538
01:19:44,119 --> 01:19:47,479
movies were made. It was a very different circumstance.

1539
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it was a lot harder to consume things alone,

1540
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,840
depending on your living situation. Yeah, and things like that.

1541
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,880
You know, there was a bit more of an experience

1542
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,760
to these, right. Hell, there's I think though.

1543
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1544
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,119
Speaker 3: Well, and it's interesting because like knowing more about the

1545
01:20:06,119 --> 01:20:09,039
time period, Like I the time period in which these

1546
01:20:09,079 --> 01:20:11,119
lot of these films were made were not great for women,

1547
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:15,000
and they weren't great for like sexual progress and things

1548
01:20:15,039 --> 01:20:18,079
like that. So also coming at these films now with

1549
01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:21,800
their perspective now makes them even more interesting because not

1550
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,119
because they're like forbidden or whatever. But it's just like, well,

1551
01:20:24,199 --> 01:20:26,439
let's they are a product of their time. But there

1552
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:30,520
are also elements of that time that feel that feel

1553
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,680
more progressive because we're going backwards, and so it is

1554
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:37,319
this embracing of being sexually open and like even the

1555
01:20:37,319 --> 01:20:40,760
films that like punish the women or you know, I

1556
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,199
think we talked about a bunch of movies on this

1557
01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:44,239
podcasts where the women are, you know, going through so

1558
01:20:44,319 --> 01:20:46,479
much trouble and it's just like, yeah, but the men

1559
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,319
are garbage. So like we're always on the women's side,

1560
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:52,680
where like, yeah, I'm I'm always for these women. They're

1561
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:54,760
going through terrible shit and I feel bad for them.

1562
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,119
I'm not cheering them on thinking they deserve this. I

1563
01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:01,319
hate these fucking men and I want the one Like

1564
01:21:01,319 --> 01:21:03,399
like she's early in the hot nights in the campus.

1565
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:05,840
I think the audiences then are kind of like, well,

1566
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:07,960
she slept around, this is what she gets, and I'm like, no,

1567
01:21:08,079 --> 01:21:10,760
she's enjoying college and these men are garbage, So I

1568
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:11,359
want her to do.

1569
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 6: Yeah she she had, Yeah she had, she had great

1570
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:20,399
and a well deserved agency for experimentation, exactly as I

1571
01:21:20,399 --> 01:21:21,920
think a lot about even like.

1572
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 4: Like like uh even uh with the books and stuff.

1573
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,039
I'm like, wow, all these people have really great agency

1574
01:21:28,079 --> 01:21:30,720
about them and stuff, like they know what they want

1575
01:21:31,079 --> 01:21:32,880
and stuff. They're gonna go out there and get it

1576
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,960
despite what most people think. Unfortunately they're gonna get vietn

1577
01:21:36,039 --> 01:21:39,279
up during it or something or something like that. But

1578
01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:42,439
like I'm always like, good for you girl for deciding

1579
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,720
to get out there and take on this serial killer

1580
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,760
read and have to good for you for just being like,

1581
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:50,079
you know what, right, I'm gonna I'm gonna I hate

1582
01:21:50,119 --> 01:21:52,520
being a virgin. I'm gonna deal with this right now. Yeah,

1583
01:21:53,079 --> 01:21:55,920
I'm gonna deliberate myself screw you, like right.

1584
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 3: Well, And I feel like you can still make that

1585
01:21:58,079 --> 01:22:00,159
arguments about ruffies too, where it's kind of like, well,

1586
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:02,319
you know the movie is about punishing women or whatever,

1587
01:22:02,359 --> 01:22:05,600
but even like the Defilers, I hate those guys. I

1588
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,680
fucking hate those guys. So I'm not rooting for these guys,

1589
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,520
so like, yes, make sure you kidnap this girl.

1590
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:17,079
Speaker 4: Yes, yeahs And now like the Animal is not pro them, no,

1591
01:22:17,119 --> 01:22:20,960
I'm not them, no no, And the film does not

1592
01:22:21,079 --> 01:22:24,239
try and make you support them either. It shows that

1593
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:28,000
their absolutely piece of shit, right, and you should hate

1594
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,239
them for doing all this if the book.

1595
01:22:30,039 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 3: Isn't that expensive because it's another one of these academic presses.

1596
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:36,239
Atlanta Gorfinel's book on exploitation is actually really well done

1597
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,520
and it's really good. It's really good to come at

1598
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,920
to read it coming at it from a woman's perspective,

1599
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,600
which is something that I always wish that we had

1600
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:47,600
more of on this podcast. And we're going to try

1601
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,560
to get more women on as guests, you know, experts

1602
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,920
in the field and things. But it's interesting to get

1603
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:55,159
a woman's perspective on these things because it isn't just

1604
01:22:55,239 --> 01:22:58,920
about it's she doesn't come from it. It's like, well, yeah,

1605
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,560
the movies are really about punish women and and so

1606
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:05,479
for that reason, they're of their time and they should

1607
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:10,159
just be viewed with like a distance from the material.

1608
01:23:11,079 --> 01:23:14,840
It's it's too safe to just not engage with them.

1609
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:18,399
It's it's also robbing yourself of, like I think, actually

1610
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,800
becoming more literate as a film viewer, Like if you're

1611
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:25,119
if you're not able to engage with movies as cheap

1612
01:23:25,159 --> 01:23:27,600
and sometimes stupid as some of these movies are, because

1613
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,640
some of them are actually very eloquently done, like All

1614
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,159
American Girl, which even though it's about a teenage girl,

1615
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:37,600
you know, having statutory rape with an older man, the

1616
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:41,920
whole movie is her establishing her sexual boundaries and developing

1617
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:45,640
her sex life on her terms. We would never see

1618
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:49,720
a movie like that now ever, Yeah, because we just say, well, teenagers,

1619
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,119
teenagers having sex as bad period. It's like, well, that

1620
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:56,359
sounds like they're religious, right, So do you want to

1621
01:23:56,359 --> 01:23:57,920
sound like them right now? Or do you want to

1622
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,359
be like well, teenagers, if you want to pursue sex,

1623
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,960
maybe establish what your boundaries are, do it safely and responsibly,

1624
01:24:04,359 --> 01:24:07,520
which that's kind of what she does, you know, she

1625
01:24:08,119 --> 01:24:09,000
kind of does that.

1626
01:24:09,239 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 1: In This Guy.

1627
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I can't think of a greater way to

1628
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:16,319
study the sixties and the dichotomy in the between the

1629
01:24:16,359 --> 01:24:20,319
polarization of the Macarthy era and then the sexual Revolution,

1630
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,800
and how much it affected middle aged couples who are

1631
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:27,359
still mentally stuck in the Mcarthy era, and how these

1632
01:24:28,279 --> 01:24:31,199
really kind of like and the books in particular, the

1633
01:24:31,239 --> 01:24:37,319
books in particular really like look like into that disparity.

1634
01:24:38,079 --> 01:24:40,479
And I can't think of another genre that like actually

1635
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,760
honestly thinks like looks at how actually difficult. The sexual

1636
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,800
revolution was for quite a few people to get to

1637
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:50,520
grass and you know, very between genders and things like that,

1638
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,159
like there's a lot to look into beyond the devices.

1639
01:24:55,119 --> 01:24:57,359
Speaker 3: Well that's why. And also genter we talked briefly about

1640
01:24:57,359 --> 01:24:59,520
Inside Aimy when we talked about Ron Garcia, but even

1641
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,000
that movie is like, it's like the it's like, that's

1642
01:25:02,119 --> 01:25:04,000
one of the only movies at that time that is

1643
01:25:04,199 --> 01:25:09,279
very vividly explaining why the sexual revolution was designed to

1644
01:25:09,359 --> 01:25:12,079
benefit men. So when a woman is trying to benefit

1645
01:25:12,119 --> 01:25:15,000
from it, all of a sudden, she's a villain. And

1646
01:25:15,039 --> 01:25:17,239
the and the man. We have to support this man

1647
01:25:17,399 --> 01:25:19,600
because he's his feelings are hurt and he has to

1648
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:21,720
kill all these men that are having sex with his

1649
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,079
wife while are swingers. And it's just like, well, that's

1650
01:25:24,079 --> 01:25:26,000
why I love that movie so much, because I'm just like,

1651
01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:30,079
this is aight so well, because then it must have

1652
01:25:30,079 --> 01:25:31,600
been terrible, it must have been like, well this is

1653
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,399
anti sax, blah blah blah. It's like, well, no, actually,

1654
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,439
this woman is kind of a hero. She kind of

1655
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,319
discovered herself sexually, and her husband is a piece of garbage.

1656
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:43,279
You know, that's that's great to me. I love from

1657
01:25:43,279 --> 01:25:47,079
a modern perspective exactly so, but.

1658
01:25:47,159 --> 01:25:49,319
Speaker 4: We don't have contemporary films that deal with that. We're

1659
01:25:49,319 --> 01:25:51,960
so dealing with it, like, we don't have commentary films

1660
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:53,880
that are at that or at least as known.

1661
01:25:54,319 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 3: No, we don't, and so that's why I think just going, yeah,

1662
01:25:57,439 --> 01:26:01,600
I guess referring back to this question. So I think

1663
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,680
it's something that yeah, like we said, it's cyclical, but

1664
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,039
it's also something that I think the more you watch

1665
01:26:07,119 --> 01:26:11,000
these films and develop develop your viewpoint as a as

1666
01:26:11,039 --> 01:26:13,359
a viewer and why you like them and why there

1667
01:26:13,359 --> 01:26:15,159
are certain things about the films that speak to you,

1668
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:18,079
whether they be the sex scenes or whether it be

1669
01:26:18,279 --> 01:26:21,760
like recurring themes, the way it presents women, the way

1670
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,800
it comments on mores of the time. Like I think it,

1671
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:28,359
it becomes easier to be able to not argue, but

1672
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,199
like properly illustrate why you like these films.

1673
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 4: So the pats of importance, yes, But then.

1674
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,119
Speaker 3: Also on the other hand, there doesn't viewers a film

1675
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:44,239
does well yes, well, for example, well, yeah, I keep

1676
01:26:44,279 --> 01:26:46,680
going back to All American Girl. Yes, I like the

1677
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:50,039
thematic importance of that film and what that what that

1678
01:26:50,199 --> 01:26:52,479
what that character in the script is trying to tell

1679
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:57,000
us as viewers, But it's also immensely erotic. I love

1680
01:26:57,079 --> 01:27:00,319
watching that movie because it captures sex so beautiful late

1681
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:05,960
and it's joyful and it's playful, and it's like, that

1682
01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:09,319
is great. There is nothing wrong with enjoying sex, and

1683
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:13,119
it's captured that way because it's capturing how great sex is.

1684
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:17,199
And I think, yeah, I think that that's something that's lost, honestly,

1685
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:19,840
you know, whether it be from the whether it be

1686
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,640
the male gaze, or you know whatever, I think it's Yeah,

1687
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:26,239
I think the best examples of the genre are able

1688
01:27:26,279 --> 01:27:29,319
to really illustrate that really beautifully.

1689
01:27:29,359 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, why that is I think is a

1690
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:35,720
whole nother discussion, you know, Yes, but we won't go

1691
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:40,159
there in this episode. Thanks everybody for sending your questions,

1692
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:48,560
and thank you Alex for joining us. Yeah, we'll have

1693
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:51,239
to do this again. Maybe we'll make this a yearly thing.

1694
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just with the Q and A.

1695
01:27:54,319 --> 01:27:57,560
Speaker 1: Especially as our audience hopefully grows, you know, we might

1696
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:02,720
have some new listeners that have interesting, thought provoking ideas.

1697
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:08,079
Speaker 4: Have a question actually, because now that's because I have

1698
01:28:08,279 --> 01:28:11,800
one though, because I think this is no brainer. For

1699
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,520
the beginning of the year. I think this is kind

1700
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:19,359
of a no brainer. Any particular new sexploitation watches this

1701
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,840
year that really stood out to you? Does anyone have

1702
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,479
a new favorite that they saw this year that they.

1703
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 2: You mean last year?

1704
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:31,359
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, Like well America.

1705
01:28:31,039 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 1: Did anyone have That's an easy one case you mentioned

1706
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:35,359
all American girl love that movie.

1707
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that was his first time watching it. And

1708
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,359
you also watched Toy Box for the first time this year, right.

1709
01:28:40,319 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 2: Yes, that was my first toy Box.

1710
01:28:42,039 --> 01:28:44,159
Speaker 3: Yep, that one's good. I'm trying to think of something

1711
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:48,159
new that I watched as well. I mentioned it Zoom

1712
01:28:48,199 --> 01:28:52,560
in Rape Apartments, which, despite the title, I could not

1713
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:57,159
stop thinking about that movie and it's leading actress. I

1714
01:28:57,319 --> 01:29:02,199
am absolutely enamored of a Rinomy Eye and wherever she is,

1715
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:07,000
I hope she's doing well. Anything new, See, That's the thing.

1716
01:29:07,159 --> 01:29:08,600
A lot of the stuff that we covered in the

1717
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:11,600
podcast and things I've been watching are they're all revisits.

1718
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,279
Speaker 4: So I'll say, what sexpectation films have you not seen

1719
01:29:14,319 --> 01:29:17,000
that are just not there still exists?

1720
01:29:17,079 --> 01:29:20,399
Speaker 3: Like well, I didn't want to I have Newton Charcoal.

1721
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:23,720
I didn't watch that yet and a highlight for you

1722
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:26,680
I need to watch. I still haven't wached Scorpio seventy.

1723
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:30,079
I have that on the way. The Ron Sullivan thing.

1724
01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:34,119
Speaker 1: Did you see sex by Advertisement yet?

1725
01:29:34,399 --> 01:29:35,720
Speaker 2: I thought that one you haven't seen.

1726
01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:38,600
Speaker 3: No, I've seen both, Yeah, because I had something weird

1727
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,880
DVDK Yeah, everything that came out on something weird DVD

1728
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:45,880
I've seen. Yeah. I'm trying to think of anything else

1729
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,920
I've watched because a lot of Yeah, it's always revisits

1730
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:50,880
for me, which isn't to say that I've seen everything,

1731
01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:55,239
but trying to go chronologically through the catalog, I haven't

1732
01:29:55,239 --> 01:29:57,680
gotten to any I haven't gotten to any categories yet

1733
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:59,159
where there's suff I haven't seen yet.

1734
01:29:59,279 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 2: So that's what about you, Alex?

1735
01:30:02,119 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 4: Okay, I had three because of course two of them

1736
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,079
are going to be the Milligans, because those are absolute

1737
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:11,720
no brainers. And nowadays I quote Natalie Rodgers all the

1738
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:15,119
damn time from kissing you two, you two, you two

1739
01:30:15,119 --> 01:30:15,800
are going to love her?

1740
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:19,079
Speaker 3: Wait?

1741
01:30:19,119 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, so you're quoting.

1742
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:23,560
Speaker 1: You're throwing out quotes that nobody else has even heard.

1743
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,520
Speaker 4: Well, excite them to excite that.

1744
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:34,039
Speaker 3: I mean you, I say all the time, you've ruined

1745
01:30:34,039 --> 01:30:36,720
my life, and now I've ruined your dinner. I said

1746
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:38,600
that all the time. People don't know what I mean.

1747
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:40,800
I'm just like, you don't know. You haven't seen scenes.

1748
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 4: Go ahead, people are gonna know. People are gonna know

1749
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:50,319
it in a little bit like eighty years. What terrible Anyway, Yeah,

1750
01:30:50,359 --> 01:30:52,399
those two I think kiss Me might be my favorite

1751
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:56,279
exploitation film now. And it's so good. Yeah, it's so good.

1752
01:30:57,039 --> 01:31:00,680
And then those are the no brainers. And then also

1753
01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:05,720
number one that's been available. It's giving them something they

1754
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:11,560
could see, Room and broad Roomen, broad hands. It is

1755
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,279
my absolute fait. Okay, I'm not kidding when I said

1756
01:31:14,359 --> 01:31:18,079
I read the script, and I three months in between

1757
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:20,920
me getting that sar No script and me seeing Room

1758
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:24,239
and Broad I can't tell you how many times a

1759
01:31:24,279 --> 01:31:26,840
week I just thought to myself, Damn, I wish someone

1760
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:27,800
produced that script.

1761
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 2: That's a good script.

1762
01:31:29,359 --> 01:31:33,119
Speaker 4: When it damn, I really damn, I'm so mad he

1763
01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:35,239
didn't do that script. There have been so much brown

1764
01:31:35,279 --> 01:31:37,199
skin deep in love. Fuck, skin deep in love. This

1765
01:31:37,199 --> 01:31:38,800
would have been so much bin skin deep in love,

1766
01:31:40,199 --> 01:31:43,239
going on and on and on. So then I start

1767
01:31:43,279 --> 01:31:46,520
to already watch a goods exploitation film. It's already doing good,

1768
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:48,439
but then as I'm going I'm just kind of like,

1769
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:50,960
this is so funny. This is kind of like that

1770
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:52,319
that Shoe sar No script.

1771
01:31:52,359 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 1: I love.

1772
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:56,079
Speaker 4: That's so weird. Oh, this is still kind of like

1773
01:31:56,119 --> 01:31:58,560
that Shoe sar No script. And then she has the

1774
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:00,800
lot and then she has her titular line in that

1775
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,960
where she's like, I'll teach you that like two men

1776
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,720
are better than one, ten are better than five, twenty

1777
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:09,720
better than ten, And I my jaw just like hits

1778
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:15,960
the floor because I remember that line. I'm like, fight

1779
01:32:16,039 --> 01:32:17,560
or flight? Do I mess with them about first? Or

1780
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:19,079
do I grab the script first? I don't know what

1781
01:32:19,119 --> 01:32:20,640
to do. I don't know what to do right now.

1782
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,119
Speaker 3: But you know what I love about this? You learned

1783
01:32:24,199 --> 01:32:27,560
this before Tim Lucas ever did, and he probably still

1784
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:31,920
doesn't know that this was that Sagner script actually was produced.

1785
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:33,680
He probably still doesn't know.

1786
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:46,199
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1787
01:34:04,039 --> 01:34:06,880
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