Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five fifty four of five and five.
Speaker 1: It is Monday, June fifteenth. I'm your host, Craig Goldstein,
Speaker 1: joined as usual by Patrick Dubuk and Jeffrey pattern Nostro. Gentlemen,
Speaker 1: how was your weekend?
Speaker 2: I watched a lot of soccer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 3: I did not watch a lot of soccer.
Speaker 1: Well, you don't, as I believe, as discuss, you don't
Speaker 1: care for this of that, right, No.
Speaker 3: I don't. Yeah, and you know I don't. It's fine,
Speaker 3: glad you guys are having a good time. I I
Speaker 3: started watching, as I noted in the discord, I started watching,
Speaker 3: and see why because it's I mean, it's a good movie.
Speaker 2: It is a good movie.
Speaker 1: Which did you start watching?
Speaker 3: It's a Currancy is nineteen eighty five Soviet film about
Speaker 3: World War.
Speaker 1: Two, and je Jeff has mentioned this several times.
Speaker 2: It's considered the most one of the most unpleasant films
Speaker 2: to watch.
Speaker 3: Yes, now that said, I have not watched any of
Speaker 3: the unpleasantness yet. I'm half an hour in and nothing
Speaker 3: has happened except people are sad and they're staring at
Speaker 3: the camera.
Speaker 1: I think Jeff and I should walk you through the
Speaker 1: World Cup like you take your children to random people's
Speaker 1: houses and just walk walk through that, just start talking
Speaker 1: about you for something.
Speaker 3: The group chat is become.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tunisia has fired their manager this morning after losing
Speaker 2: five one to Sweeten last night. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 2: late game, you might domestic, Craig.
Speaker 1: I did, I was. I was up, but I was not.
Speaker 3: But I just wanted to note for Craig since because
Speaker 3: I started, I got the first half hour before the weekend,
Speaker 3: and then I could not watch it over the weekend
Speaker 3: because my children were constantly walking and I did not
Speaker 3: want to see in them the TV exposed to the
Speaker 3: horrors of war. So instead I watched Death Valley, the
Speaker 3: show of it on print box, championing. It's fine, Craig, It's.
Speaker 1: Not like, oh, come on all right.
Speaker 3: What I will say is that your cozy mystery, your
Speaker 3: cozy murder show exists on two axes, and exists on
Speaker 3: the cozy access and access and the murder axis. And
Speaker 3: the coziness is great, very charming, both leads, you know,
Speaker 3: very strong. The murders sub murder, she.
Speaker 1: Wrote week Okay, sure, yeah, yeah, like but it's funny.
Speaker 1: Ludwig is also very charming and has about mid grade murders,
Speaker 1: whereas this one is D.
Speaker 3: Minus murders, like you just don't care about what actually happens.
Speaker 2: Just I think that's yeah, murder quality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the the murder plots are not as strong as
Speaker 3: I would say your average law order show. That's what
Speaker 3: I would say.
Speaker 1: It doesn't the point because the point is their relationship.
Speaker 1: The point isn't the murder.
Speaker 3: Right, you have an interesting murder as well.
Speaker 1: You can do both. It's it's perfectly a half hour show.
Speaker 1: Is it half hour? Is it's they're perfectly. It's also
Speaker 1: like it's also funny, like it's the writing. The writing
Speaker 1: is going to jokes and not to the murder plots.
Speaker 1: It's also I like, look, you're talking to someone who
Speaker 1: has watched every episode of Bones. Okay, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: like you're not gonna knock me down on like the
Speaker 1: the I don't know the quality of the murder plot.
Speaker 2: Bones is also like weirdly dark for no reason at
Speaker 2: times though Bones like the tonal whiplash in that show.
Speaker 1: We did this, we did? I don't we did Bones
Speaker 1: after uh maybe the second Child, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: like it met us where we were is what we
Speaker 1: kept saying, which was like completely mindless. That show makes
Speaker 1: no sense.
Speaker 2: No, no, don't, don't absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: No, but Death Valley for a murder procedural mystery show.
Speaker 1: It is very funny. It's on BritBox. If people are
Speaker 1: out of four stars, please don't make me rank it
Speaker 1: out of five. No, I think three out of five.
Speaker 1: But like, to me, it's a good time, Like it's
Speaker 1: not the.
Speaker 3: Problem for me, you know, is the and this is
Speaker 3: not the fault of the art. But like, you know,
Speaker 3: like I haven't had time to watch Fallout. Is it
Speaker 3: better than Fallout?
Speaker 1: Probably not.
Speaker 3: I probably should have just watched Fallout.
Speaker 1: I liked Fallout, so that's why I like when I
Speaker 1: watched the Fallout show, I'm like, you're gonna get way
Speaker 1: better production value on Fallout. I'll tell you that, certainly.
Speaker 1: So I would also say this. I did not play Fallout,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. Did you play Fallout? Okay, so
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sure it is. I don't like
Speaker 1: games where I have to spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: deciding what I'm going to carry and like because because
Speaker 1: I can't. Well, the thing is like, if I had
Speaker 1: infinite time, I would probably like it, but like I
Speaker 1: spend too much time agonizing over like.
Speaker 2: Suitcase.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very hard to give that game.
Speaker 3: That's just that puzzle. There's a game where they just
Speaker 3: made it the entire game, putting things in the suitcases.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was very difficult for me Patrick in in Elden
Speaker 1: Ring to not be You were like, you have to
Speaker 1: not be like overburdened, like overweighted or whatever it is
Speaker 1: like to do the proper moves. And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: but I I want to have everything quit Like that
Speaker 1: was tough for me. So I don't think Fallout is
Speaker 1: for me in that respect, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like it's just too much anyway. But so I don't
Speaker 1: know what happens is the point I'm getting.
Speaker 3: Has nothing to do with the games. I mean, oh
Speaker 3: does it not?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Every every game in the Fallout universe starts is in
Speaker 3: a different town and basically is its own story. Uh.
Speaker 3: The only thing, the only thing related is that some
Speaker 3: of the principal actors the factions have the same characteristics
Speaker 3: in each one. The n CR always acts a certain way.
Speaker 1: Right, But why I assumes this was Fallout New Vegas
Speaker 1: or whatever it's not.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 1: It's just it's separate entirely. Okay, I had no idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I would. I don't know, Like there are
Speaker 1: plot problems in Fallout two. I guess as well, I
Speaker 1: would say, so, Yeah, I don't know. If I didn't
Speaker 1: know you were going to watch it over fall Out,
Speaker 1: I probably would have told you to watch them.
Speaker 3: Well, I can't watch it in front of the kids.
Speaker 3: They there's the problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It is a little bit gross.
Speaker 3: There's like six things in the world I can watch
Speaker 3: when the kids could just wander in and.
Speaker 1: Death Vally works for definitely what we went far Afield.
Speaker 1: I had a whole rant about anyway, whatever I think.
Speaker 1: I feel like we got we covered a lot of Sorry, sorry, Jeff,
Speaker 1: Do you know it's fine, It's totally fine, Jeff. Would
Speaker 1: you like to add anything?
Speaker 2: I mean, not really. I'm playing me to the hollower
Speaker 2: where I'm at, which is kind of elden ringish where
Speaker 2: you have to like get to the spot where you
Speaker 2: died to get your stuff back kind of mechanic. And
Speaker 2: it's also like I am two, Like I do not
Speaker 2: have the time, patients, or reflexes for this kind of like,
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying it a lot, but it's like you can
Speaker 2: only attack in four directions and the enemies can attack
Speaker 2: in eight directions. So it's like lining it up right
Speaker 2: with your little mace. I'm using the mace on a
Speaker 2: whip thing. That's my main weapon.
Speaker 1: A mace on a whip. Yeah, that's a great weapon.
Speaker 2: It is, but it's like the ranch attack weapon. It's
Speaker 2: a really really well done game that I am not
Speaker 2: particularly good at.
Speaker 1: But yeah, all right, yeah, well let's go to our
Speaker 1: first segment. Baseball is a game that Jacob Misrawski is
Speaker 1: particularly good at. Our first segment is nobody beats the
Speaker 1: miss fifteen strikeouts, one hit, no walks.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean you didn't know you faced the minimum?
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't. I honestly didn't really, I did not
Speaker 1: get to to watch it. I didn't realize he faced
Speaker 1: a minimum. It was also a maddox. Yes, so you
Speaker 1: have here in our Rundown best pitching performance.
Speaker 2: Since apparently Sarah Lang looked this up and the last
Speaker 2: player to do this gave up two hits but also
Speaker 2: faced a minimum is Eric Badard.
Speaker 1: Naturally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like the miss before there was the miss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of was uh yeah, I mean didn't
Speaker 1: didn't John Lackey have one of these. It wasn't fifteen
Speaker 1: strikeouts or anything like that, but he had like he
Speaker 1: gave up a leadoff double.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's the carry carry was twenty strikeout
Speaker 2: game obviously with also as a one.
Speaker 1: Hitter, right, Uh, I know Kershaw had his no hitter
Speaker 1: was fifteen strikeouts, which is also like the next day. Uh,
Speaker 1: Yamamoto took a perfect game, Yeah, with seven and two
Speaker 1: thirds before Mookie booted a ball, wasn't missing nearly as
Speaker 1: many bats. I mean this I just I don't have
Speaker 1: that much to say because I feel.
Speaker 2: Like we just we just did.
Speaker 1: He just talked about two or three pods ago, like
Speaker 1: Miserski is is he the best pitcher in baseball? And
Speaker 1: was like, well you could. I think I ended up
Speaker 1: saying maybe it was more than two or three pods
Speaker 1: ago because it was during Christopher Sanchez's Sanchez's uh streak.
Speaker 2: Excuse well, he just gave a Hornda Blake Perkins, so
Speaker 2: he's out.
Speaker 1: No, but he well he's yeah, the Patre's got him
Speaker 1: for two runs, so I think, which is like six
Speaker 1: runs for a normal team. But like Sanchoes felt like
Speaker 1: it at the time. I think I think I said,
Speaker 1: if you want to say, Misserraski, at that time you were, well,
Speaker 1: you know, in your right to do so. I think
Speaker 1: you have to say it now. Yeah, that that Sancho. Look,
Speaker 1: I mean it feels it's all reactionary, but like you're saying,
Speaker 1: is he the best in baseball right now? Probably? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know how else to who else
Speaker 1: is doing it better?
Speaker 3: Yeah? If he has stopped walking anybody?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right. I mean I saw I saw Jarrett mentioned
Speaker 1: this within the last week or so, but he pulled
Speaker 1: a post of his from I think twenty twenty four maybe,
Speaker 1: and it was like, if Misrawski gains a greade or
Speaker 1: two of command, he's going to be among the best
Speaker 1: pitchers in baseball.
Speaker 2: Well he has, yeah, maybe more than more than too, maybe.
Speaker 1: More than that, and you know he's he's all greats
Speaker 1: down what under eight percent with his stuff. I mean again,
Speaker 1: I would recommend anyone go read Joshihan's newsletter on this.
Speaker 1: It was very good. I mean he had a line
Speaker 1: about you know, this is like trying to slip Sid
Speaker 1: Finch two point zero by you. It's one four and
Speaker 1: a half. He threw every pitch over one hundred, every
Speaker 1: fastball over one hundred. Yeah, it is, it's it's you
Speaker 1: don't have the vocabulary for this kind of stuff. We
Speaker 1: this this is not it's video game stuff. We're talking
Speaker 1: about video games in.
Speaker 2: Our hour cutters and ninety mile an hour curve balls
Speaker 2: behind it too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we're talking about video games in our
Speaker 1: in our banter, but like this is this is video
Speaker 1: game stuff.
Speaker 3: Do you want the world's dumbest fun fact ever? Sure?
Speaker 3: I got a really dumb fun fact for you. Candy
Speaker 3: Cummings is in the Hall of Fame, right, He's in.
Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3: Not for being the of the world he minted the
Speaker 3: curve ball, but he did throw two nine and he
Speaker 3: is here. Jacob he has fewer strikeouts than Jacob Misrawski
Speaker 3: this year. Yeah, he has one hundred and thirty strikeouts
Speaker 3: in his career. Mizrawski is one hundred and thirty one
Speaker 3: this season in eighty inks.
Speaker 2: Yes, but clearly Babrias is the best baseball players.
Speaker 1: So so, Patrick, you recently wrote about games score. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm pulling this.
Speaker 3: From she She had posted.
Speaker 1: Uh, Misraski got a game score of one hundred. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's tied for eighth highest of all time. Terry Woods
Speaker 1: twenty strikeout game tops the list at one O five.
Speaker 1: Max Sureser had a one oh four Kershaw's no hitter
Speaker 1: one O two yeah, and then a few one on ones.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Basically at that point you have to basically you
Speaker 3: you have to strikeouts count for game score, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: you have to get struck, but.
Speaker 2: Also you have to go like fourteen.
Speaker 1: He has a this is nine innings or fewer his
Speaker 1: best ever. Yeah, once, because there are right, there are
Speaker 1: and shit like that.
Speaker 3: It feels like we need a second game score for
Speaker 3: the very edges of gamescore, Like we need something a
Speaker 3: little more fine, like a little more granual or granular
Speaker 3: for basically just people ninety eight and above. Let's let's
Speaker 3: put it on a news scale. But it's yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it's it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's I again, I'm gonna refer
Speaker 1: back to Joe's newsletter, But like he says, there's a
Speaker 1: ruthlessness to Miserowski. That called to mind the way Pedro
Speaker 1: Martinez wiped out lineups at his peak, and that that
Speaker 1: really clicked for me like when you when you watch
Speaker 1: Miserowski just blow it by people in the zone. It
Speaker 1: that that is to me, like just the fastball is
Speaker 1: what Paedro's fastball was. They just couldn't You couldn't touch it, right,
Speaker 1: you you cannot touch it. It really is just and
Speaker 1: then and then like Pedro, you get to, as just said,
Speaker 1: the cutter and the slider.
Speaker 2: And you know, change up obviously, the change.
Speaker 1: Up, like it's just it's it's crazy.
Speaker 3: There will be another one of these. There'll be another
Speaker 3: Chicken Misrawski fifty years from now, and I hope that
Speaker 3: by then, when I'm dead, that we won't have to
Speaker 3: constantly think about like how many more months of this
Speaker 3: are we gonna get? Yeah, medicine has improved to the
Speaker 3: point where we can just like have something like this forever,
Speaker 3: Like I know, and you can't have it forever. But man,
Speaker 3: like the same thing with a tany right, like just
Speaker 3: being like, boy, there's only so many of these left.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like it's like counting down the days
Speaker 3: for the kid to move out, for the kid moving
Speaker 3: out of high scheat, out of the house, and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've only got so many days.
Speaker 2: Then I can watch fall Out.
Speaker 1: So also on this also on this rundown, we have
Speaker 1: the Brewers just keep doing this shit. It is this about?
Speaker 1: I mean, is this about? What? What is this is
Speaker 1: this about?
Speaker 2: Is does Kyle Harrison and sure, yeah, I mean wedding bands,
Speaker 2: protos nothing good? But like, I mean, getting this out
Speaker 2: of Miserowski is part of it, right, like getting the
Speaker 2: command jump. Like there's a lot of scenarios where he
Speaker 2: ends up like I don't know, like Edward Cabrera like
Speaker 2: or just a good lateening reliever right or he's like
Speaker 2: which is great, Like if he turned into Mason Miller,
Speaker 2: you'd be like great.
Speaker 1: Oh, I used to me, I was gonna say, maybe
Speaker 1: fancy Andrew Miller right like he was looking even late
Speaker 1: year when he was both like their best picture and
Speaker 1: also they couldn't start.
Speaker 2: Him right he would have he would have us still
Speaker 2: starts where he would just like lose his own for
Speaker 2: an ending too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of like I can or maybe
Speaker 1: not even anything else, but you know, like eighteen Batters
Speaker 1: was kind of his his thing, so yeah, no, this
Speaker 1: is definitely yeah, like a Brewer's.
Speaker 4: Thing.
Speaker 3: Well they figured out as right, like.
Speaker 1: It took a while they figured it out. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yes, they keep doing it, but it isn't
Speaker 1: I mean this, this to me is is and and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for bringing up the Dodgers again, but like
Speaker 1: I felt like there was a lot of comment comments
Speaker 1: when Tyler Fitzgerald, like the Dodgers picked him up or whatever,
Speaker 1: they just released him. But it is like you kind
Speaker 1: of don't always clock when they move on from these
Speaker 1: guys when it doesn't work as well, Like to your point,
Speaker 1: like Sproute isn't going great right now, they might fix
Speaker 1: it again, miss RASKI took a minute, Ashby took a
Speaker 1: few minutes.
Speaker 2: Look if you look at what they got back for
Speaker 2: Corbyn burns right, like dal Hall, like they're still kind
Speaker 2: of using as a reliever and they're about to move
Speaker 2: on from Joey RTIs probably so, and they got like
Speaker 2: one good season of joy but their hit rate is
Speaker 2: really good.
Speaker 1: It's just enough, right yeah yeah, no, I mean look
Speaker 1: but d L. Hall has been well yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: The e ra is not that but the walks are aggressive.
Speaker 2: And he misses time because he's d L. Hall.
Speaker 1: Right, they do just keep doing this. They are also
Speaker 1: let's see here, for twenty six Yeah, their best record
Speaker 1: in all of baseball also the National League because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like yeah, like some of it looks have
Speaker 2: they benefited I guess from the Cubs injuries and general
Speaker 2: struggles that they're gonna probably waltz that division now. Yes,
Speaker 2: but they're still they're also they're holding up their end
Speaker 2: of the bargain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't mean to sound like a hater.
Speaker 1: I don't. Again, they're seven and a half up on
Speaker 1: the Cubs, they're five up on the Cardinals. That's plenty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they probably will. You have to like they are
Speaker 1: easily the favorites to win the division. They're a very
Speaker 1: good team and they have a big lead. It's a
Speaker 1: long season. I suspect it'll get tight and then well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll say that's my suspicion.
Speaker 2: I think that's a lot on what the Cubs do
Speaker 2: from here.
Speaker 4: Yes, like fair enough the cardinal.
Speaker 2: I like this Cardinals team, and then I know it's
Speaker 2: like they blew two games against the Twins like their
Speaker 2: pen just didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a Cardinal either. I just I
Speaker 1: think the Cubs can make it tighter. That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they take the lead. That doesn't mean they win the division.
Speaker 1: I think you know this. It feels very much to
Speaker 1: me every basketball game, as as we found out, every
Speaker 1: basketball game is long, and like if you watch enough NBA,
Speaker 1: that third quarter run where things get tight happens so
Speaker 1: much and then so frequently it just you know, it fades,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. There's a push and then it doesn't, you know,
Speaker 1: and then there's a separation again, not if you're San Antonio, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but a lot. And I guess I could say I
Speaker 1: could see that happening over the season here for Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: where like it gets tighter and then maybe there's a
Speaker 1: separation later for Milwaukee. Again, I would expect them to
Speaker 1: win this division. I just I think it's a it's
Speaker 1: a long season, and look, when things get close, anything
Speaker 1: can happen, right that is, you have the possibility as
Speaker 1: we saw in the NBA. But uh yeah, I I
Speaker 1: I don't know. So now you have a Now we
Speaker 1: have a who you got between? Is this just an
Speaker 1: NL Central.
Speaker 2: Baseball right now?
Speaker 1: Okay, it's interesting you say we have so we have
Speaker 1: Ja cub Minzerowski, all Skins and Chase Burns. I just
Speaker 1: saw Pat Lackey, who wrote our rates comments for the annual.
Speaker 1: This year, people might know him better as why GAVs
Speaker 1: where you've gone? Andy Vance? Like author had a scheme's
Speaker 1: spinning a little bit of a rough Yeah.
Speaker 2: I get he has a two point eight R.
Speaker 1: But yes, he's been a little bit of a yeah
Speaker 1: and it was better than that, yeah, right, Like it
Speaker 1: has been a rough patch, there's been he pat noted
Speaker 1: a number of things like his His splinker seems to
Speaker 1: be off. I know the stuff models never really liked
Speaker 1: the splinker. It is aggressively disliked by stuff Pro. A
Speaker 1: number of his pitches are are not well liked by
Speaker 1: the stuff model, which is interesting. His he's been throwing
Speaker 1: his change up a lot more than good change up.
Speaker 1: It is a good all his bitch, despite what the
Speaker 1: stuff models say. In my opinion, all his pitches are
Speaker 1: pretty good. But there there does seem to be something
Speaker 1: a little bit off here. Sure for the present, I
Speaker 1: don't think it means like it's permanent. He's definitely shown
Speaker 1: the ability to make changes. I don't know. It's it's
Speaker 1: an interesting time.
Speaker 2: Right, And like in any other year where jakeot Mizerowski
Speaker 2: wasn't doing this, we're talking a lot more about Chase Burns.
Speaker 2: He's been great.
Speaker 1: Yes, I adore Chase Burns. I have an extreme affinity
Speaker 1: for him. I think you have Jacob.
Speaker 2: I guess, like, again, it's like he's like both the
Speaker 2: Like again, Burns throws like a hundred. It's not like
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a ton of velocity, and he is
Speaker 2: great fastball carry. But like you can't even be like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: like how long can Vizierowski do this throwing one hundred
Speaker 2: and five? Like Burns friggin comes over the top as
Speaker 2: hard as he possibly can at one hundred. So there's
Speaker 2: injury risks for all of these guys.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I was gonna say, like, it feels like
Speaker 3: Skins is the one most likely to stay healthy, which
Speaker 3: means ultimately.
Speaker 2: There were definitely scouts that were like, did not love
Speaker 2: his arm action. But he's also built like a little linebacker,
Speaker 2: which right, And all these guys like Burns is big,
Speaker 2: Mazewski are big. None of these guys are like pedro size, right,
Speaker 2: But yeah, like you would just say, like, the human
Speaker 2: body cannot keep throwing a baseball one hundred and four
Speaker 2: miles an hour, sixty times game unless it can, right.
Speaker 1: Do you. I also saw I'm gonna borrow from from
Speaker 1: uh something Jarrett said, And I don't want to impugne.
Speaker 1: I know you do a podcast with Jared, So if
Speaker 1: this was already done or you're going to discuss it there,
Speaker 1: we can defer it. But like, does it does Miserowski
Speaker 1: make you reconsider the volatility? Like how how we discount volatility?
Speaker 1: Maybe I will?
Speaker 2: They talk about this a little bit on our show,
Speaker 2: And like, I don't think Jacob Misowski turning into a
Speaker 2: starter means there wasn't significant reliever risk, right, Like that's
Speaker 2: that's part of it.
Speaker 1: Like, well, but the question is like, goold you air
Speaker 1: about the reliever risk. I mean, I think the same way.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm not saying we were wrong. I'm not right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. The question is like maybe
Speaker 1: you just like you've also got this that you thro
Speaker 1: the window.
Speaker 2: I think that's will apply to Mizerewski over the long
Speaker 2: haul because it just applies to every picture. Now, is
Speaker 2: you know starters are just throwing less innings, fewer innings. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's so unless you're Crispa Sanchez, I guess, but
Speaker 2: even he is throwing fewer innings than like you know,
Speaker 2: Max Schurzer did in the mid twenty tens or whatever.
Speaker 3: Well more less than fewer than Dan Petrie was thrown.
Speaker 2: Fewer than Candy Cummings was throwing. And you know, so
Speaker 2: it does wait it the other way to an extent,
Speaker 2: but like there's also like, you know, Mason Miller is
Speaker 2: basically a one ending guy, and you obviously you pick
Speaker 2: your spots for Mason Miller, which has value. So and
Speaker 2: I've said this before about Josh Hater specifically, the rank
Speaker 2: Josh Hater is the nineteenth best prospect in baseball I
Speaker 2: think around there are top twenty the year before he debuted,
Speaker 2: and again there was like known reliever risk there. He
Speaker 2: was still starting, but there was a non reliever risk there.
Speaker 2: And for what he turned into, Like yeah, like that
Speaker 2: that feels like a good ranking to me. But I
Speaker 2: do think if you're going to rank guy that high,
Speaker 2: he has to be like he can't just be I
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm trying to get a picture that has
Speaker 2: just turned into like a good but not like gut
Speaker 2: starting pitching prospect that has turned into a good but
Speaker 2: not special reliever late inning guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: That's a good like he was a good closer for
Speaker 2: a few years.
Speaker 1: The reason the reason I bring up he was a
Speaker 1: good closer for a few reasons for a few years,
Speaker 1: and like there was they fast tracked him into relief
Speaker 1: and then there was always talk about like, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: we'll make him a starter again, and they were like, no,
Speaker 1: he's too good as a reliever. Yeah, and he was,
Speaker 1: but then he wasn't.
Speaker 3: A J.
Speaker 4: Puck's a good one too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Sean newm.
Speaker 2: S sew Neum.
Speaker 1: Now yeah, yeah, he looked great. He looked great. H
Speaker 1: all right, anything else we want on this subject? Patrick,
Speaker 1: I feel like I've done a lot of talking.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I'm shocked that you're able
Speaker 3: to because I mean I don't know, Like what do
Speaker 3: you say?
Speaker 1: It's enjoy it and everyone's enjoying it. Watch I mean honestly,
Speaker 1: like we're like watch Jacob Mizrawski. Please, this is.
Speaker 2: A different kind of dominance. And if you think though
Speaker 2: it's not looks like great dominant pictures, right, I.
Speaker 1: Want to say, like looking at the data, you know
Speaker 1: that post, it's like looking at the data and simply
Speaker 1: laughing or whatever. But just like watch his start and
Speaker 1: just laugh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it would be interesting to go back to
Speaker 3: like basically Nolan Ryan, Like we don't have a lot
Speaker 3: of footage of Nolan Ryan in his twenties, but like
Speaker 3: that and Nolan Ryan's weird because Nolan Ryan, one of
Speaker 3: the big Nolan Ryan's big things is that he was
Speaker 3: just able to do what he did forever, right, right,
Speaker 3: But that same sense that I'm just gonna throw the ball.
Speaker 3: But like Ryan is misrasking, not finding his command.
Speaker 5: Right, guess a lot more than Johnson, I mean, is
Speaker 5: essentially the Randy Johnson. Yeah, Randy Johnson, Like Randy Johnson
Speaker 5: feels closer to Chase Burns to me though, or it's
Speaker 5: just like here are the two pitches.
Speaker 1: Well I agree with that, but I guess I mean,
Speaker 1: like it was walking a lot of guys and then
Speaker 1: suddenly it wasn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah that nineties Randy Johnson, Like.
Speaker 2: Like although Randy Johns twenty eight instead of twenty three.
Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, I mean it's a big So I'm going
Speaker 1: to ask this, I guess mostly to Jeff, and it's
Speaker 1: not a fair question. I don't expect you to have
Speaker 1: an answer here, but like I have, they has anyone
Speaker 1: detailed what he did to suddenly lock in the zone.
Speaker 2: Not that I know of, I don't, and no one's
Speaker 2: last I looked, There's been no like mechanical changes, like
Speaker 2: he still throws the shat out of the wall.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, someone should, someone should look into that.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I was looking.
Speaker 1: I say, as someone who runs a website that could
Speaker 1: have people look into that.
Speaker 2: I was looking back at our old repoort thought. I mean, like,
Speaker 2: obviously he had that.
Speaker 1: Remind me to.
Speaker 2: Tell Mario there you go, like if you go back
Speaker 2: to like his jucode as when he was a draft
Speaker 2: box idea was fairly We talked about him a lot
Speaker 2: with scouts and stuff, and like the track man was incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the data was, but he was throwing. He was sitting
Speaker 2: like ninety seven ninety eight. He was not sitting one
Speaker 2: oh two. Yeah, he's added velocity too and locked in
Speaker 2: the command and locked in the zone. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that that reminds me a little bit of
Speaker 1: one of my favorite uh sim Miller articles, which I
Speaker 1: think he was just like on Deadline working out a
Speaker 1: preview of the Diamondbacks, but it was a he essentially
Speaker 1: made it all about Paul Goldschmidt and like and the
Speaker 1: ability to improve yourself and how like we tend to
Speaker 1: want to do these discrete improvements and then build on
Speaker 1: top of it. But it kind of they happen all
Speaker 1: at the same time. Sure, Like like men, a lot
Speaker 1: of times the approach is like I'm just going to
Speaker 1: do this and then I will do that, right, Like
Speaker 1: like I'm going to start exercising and then I'll work
Speaker 1: on eating or whatever. But like you just do it
Speaker 1: all at the same time, you know.
Speaker 2: And you also think of like increasing velocity and increasing
Speaker 2: command as being not diametrically in opposite restrections, right, like
Speaker 2: you have to sacrifice one for the other. Right, that's
Speaker 2: kind of like baseball, you know, received wisdom. I don't
Speaker 2: care how hard you throw ball for et cetera.
Speaker 1: But it is a little bit like swinging harder and
Speaker 1: striking out or whatever, right like but but mcalvarg yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is at least holding it steady, right like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just it's one of my favorite articles.
Speaker 1: It is ultimately like a life article and not just
Speaker 1: a baseball article, which is great. But but yeah, I
Speaker 1: would also before we depart the subject, just tell people
Speaker 1: as well, we're on the subject of Milwaukee, Ben Lindberg
Speaker 1: wrote a deep dive into Milwaukee's uh hitting with runners
Speaker 1: and scoring position success over the last of seven years.
Speaker 1: It's on the ringer. It's it's worth a look. It
Speaker 1: doesn't really find answers. The Milwaukee coaches he talked to
Speaker 1: don't really have answers. I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: what to think about it.
Speaker 3: I have to them, well, yeah, he.
Speaker 1: Talks about that kind of an article. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I need to think more about about it. It's it's
Speaker 1: very yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, there was an article about the Blue Jays, I
Speaker 3: think like recently or maybe I just saw some.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they are struggling big time this year. The
Speaker 1: premise of the articles that the Milwaukee has done has
Speaker 1: outperformed the league average for seven straight seasons, and I
Speaker 1: think for six of them it's been by a massive margin.
Speaker 1: Last year actually was weirdly by like one and a
Speaker 1: half percent or whatever. It wasn't a huge margin. But
Speaker 1: every other year, including this year so far, it's been
Speaker 1: quite a bit, worth worth a read, worth a thing.
Speaker 1: I have to think more on it. Something I don't
Speaker 1: know that I've thought of out is our second segment
Speaker 1: segment here Marlins will soar. They are ten and two
Speaker 1: in their last twelve. It's not clear how they're doing
Speaker 1: that to me because they're still fourth in their division. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are the suddenly like decent in at least they are.
Speaker 1: They are five hundred mm hmm. This this has pulled
Speaker 1: them to five hundred. Uh. They have Max s Meyer
Speaker 1: and Sandy l Contra and.
Speaker 2: Then Tyler Phillips is just starting for them now. Who
Speaker 2: Kyler Phillips is just starting for them now?
Speaker 1: I don't know Tyler Phillips.
Speaker 2: He was their closer last year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, okay, but yeah, well.
Speaker 1: Yeah it wasn't at Calvin Fouchet, Anthony Bender and someone else.
Speaker 1: Tyler Phillips. Yeah, it's not good that My head was
Speaker 1: immediately like, does he mean Tyler.
Speaker 2: Gilbert nor Connor Phillips.
Speaker 1: Jesus, we can't do like a Connor co. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do that again. They are in
Speaker 1: the wild card because they're five hundred. Yes, they're in
Speaker 1: the wildcard race. They are two games back of the
Speaker 1: San Diego Padres. They are three They've got three teams
Speaker 1: in between them. Sure, but but they're in the midst
Speaker 1: of it. I suppose, uh, yeah, I don't. It's good
Speaker 1: that we've picked subjects that we don't know how to
Speaker 1: talk about.
Speaker 2: Right, well, I guess like question good for a podcast.
Speaker 2: Our Contra has been better recently, do you like, do
Speaker 2: you still trade him? At the headline, Yeah, you literally
Speaker 2: don't have pictures at this point. Yeah, it's like the
Speaker 2: obvious guys to come in here. Thomas White and Robbie
Speaker 2: Snelling are both missing significant time. He has had some
Speaker 2: sort of UCL surgery I forget which one, and Sambiel
Speaker 2: Contra shoulder injury.
Speaker 1: Has thrown twenty two and in in his last three starts,
Speaker 1: he's gone eight, seven and seven. That in reverse order.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been great on the season, but that is
Speaker 1: certainly valuable. Do you trade him? If you're Peter Peter
Speaker 1: Bendix will trade it, and I think will show no
Speaker 1: zero compunction. I I think you know Patrick, you you
Speaker 1: wrote about this and we talked about it at the
Speaker 1: end of the podcast last year about the last week
Speaker 1: sorry excuse me about the Nationals, and like, oh, it
Speaker 1: kind of puts him in an odd position. Guess who's
Speaker 1: not ever in a NodD position? There is no, there.
Speaker 3: Is no upward pressure.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 1: He's they're paying him real money. At the end, at
Speaker 1: the these option years or whatever, the end of this contract,
Speaker 1: they will I do not think they will hesitate to
Speaker 1: trade him.
Speaker 3: No, no, I mean they'll just pitch Ryan Goosetel. They
Speaker 3: can't stop them from doing.
Speaker 2: As they put in the notes. The Rockies have defayed Valente,
Speaker 2: bring them home.
Speaker 3: Democracy doesn't work, guys. The Marlins will just do what
Speaker 3: they want and you can't stop them. Uh. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it does not apply. The Marlins exists uniquely out of time,
Speaker 3: and they happen to win sometimes, and they happen to
Speaker 3: lose sometimes, and and it's weird that they play other
Speaker 3: teams at all. It's weird that they even like they
Speaker 3: should just be playing split ships agains, their split squads
Speaker 3: against themselves.
Speaker 2: Pictures.
Speaker 1: We have we have learned what a gricillis is because
Speaker 1: of because of the Marlins this year. Do you think
Speaker 1: I've not I'm not sure. I'm sure this has come up.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I can recall seeing someone on the
Speaker 1: on the aisle with shin inflammation before, but that is
Speaker 1: what has sidelined Jansen chunk I suspect they might trade
Speaker 1: him if he's able to come back from shin inflammation.
Speaker 1: I don't know how long it takes to heal from that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know your bones could get Usually it's not
Speaker 1: it's like a joint or.
Speaker 2: I mean there's like it's like it's just shinch punts.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe can you inflame a bone?
Speaker 3: I mean there's not even really any there's not much
Speaker 3: material in between the bone and the skin. Is there
Speaker 3: some like did.
Speaker 1: Matt Boyd's kids kick him in the shin or something
Speaker 1: like what? I don't know, Uh, yeah, I like you
Speaker 1: they have no I have not checked. I don't know
Speaker 1: what Braxton Garrett is doing. I don't know what Dax
Speaker 1: Fulton is doing. But those are guys on the on
Speaker 1: the forty man. Are they different? Those are different names.
Speaker 3: It feels like they both emerged like like a medical
Speaker 3: experiment to take Braxton Fulford. Yeah, split the.
Speaker 2: Off a transporter accident. We've created the two of pictures.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: Peter Bendix is a mora old alemma. Does he separate them?
Speaker 2: He created this new life. People will debate it for
Speaker 2: twenty five years on the internet afterwards.
Speaker 3: This is a metaphor for something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Liam Hicks just keeps doing it.
Speaker 3: Yes, he had a slump, but now he seems to be.
Speaker 2: The Auto Lopez is still leading the league in hitting
Speaker 2: the average.
Speaker 1: Lim Liam Hicks has a one thirty eight ops plus
Speaker 1: Auto Lopez is at one forty and Xavier Edwards is
Speaker 1: at one thirty three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's those.
Speaker 2: Three guys that is about it, to be fair.
Speaker 1: But yeah, esty, Ruiz, he's.
Speaker 2: Not playing that much.
Speaker 1: He has thirty seven games. No, it's small sample.
Speaker 3: Sixty seven appearance is more than I thought seven.
Speaker 1: Plain appearances and by virtue of a five h nine slug.
Speaker 2: Yes, his obps under three hundred.
Speaker 1: Right, but he's hitting, which is not what you would
Speaker 1: expect that Ruiz and and his version of success. Yes, uh,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's the whole. That's like Griffin Conine had
Speaker 1: eleven games. That's so I'm not counting him, but like,
Speaker 1: that's it. They just added Austin Slater, which, as Jeff
Speaker 1: said back when the Mets did it, that's the kind
Speaker 1: of move you can make inside. Like that's I No,
Speaker 1: I guess I would say like that there are not
Speaker 1: really dead spots in the line like exactly is not good? No,
Speaker 1: he's up to an eighty one open.
Speaker 4: That's better, but it's not exactly.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's bad, right, I'm not like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of bad, but it's kind of generically Owen Casey,
Speaker 1: is that an eighty two ops?
Speaker 2: Not good for a corner outfielder?
Speaker 1: Not good? Is that eighty nine? Joe Max?
Speaker 2: It's actually fine for hobbyar So.
Speaker 1: It's fine well, but not great for third base.
Speaker 2: No, but he really shouldn't be there every day.
Speaker 1: There should No Kyle Hours is at ninety right, Like
Speaker 1: this is yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Don't know it, and like a lot of those guys.
Speaker 1: That this is not a play. This is a team
Speaker 1: I think can just sell and wave the flag. And
Speaker 1: like again, they don't have the fan based pressure that
Speaker 1: anyone would care there is do you get a a?
Speaker 1: So my problem with this is like there's kind of
Speaker 1: a NAT's vibe to like, there's actually three good hitters here,
Speaker 1: and I don't know about the rest.
Speaker 2: They're good, none of them are James would right. And
Speaker 2: the other thing here is like I do think Bendix
Speaker 2: will just trade a contrac But a lot of the
Speaker 2: guys you've named he's the guy he's traded for, right,
Speaker 2: Marci and Casey.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I also don't. I mean, they're they're the
Speaker 1: other they're pre are like they're not sure down.
Speaker 2: Like I'm just going to ride that out there, saying
Speaker 2: like eventually he is going to need to acquire good
Speaker 2: players somehow if they're going to be able to or
Speaker 2: develop them, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, And the difference is like the Nationals,
Speaker 1: to be clear, have more hitters doing well than than this,
Speaker 1: but like also no one nearly as good as James
Speaker 1: would James Wood does.
Speaker 2: Don't have anyone as bad as not Ys but right.
Speaker 1: Right, no as a hitter, no, but yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: they literally have had not see New Years as an organization.
Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, I don't. That's that's it on the Marlins.
Speaker 1: Do you have anything else you want to ask?
Speaker 2: I think the Nats are more likely to hang around
Speaker 2: this playoff race in the Marlins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too, absolutely.
Speaker 3: You know, Max Myer's been incredible and.
Speaker 2: He has been very good. Not gonna last, but he
Speaker 2: can't be.
Speaker 1: Well for him, he really looked it really looked like
Speaker 1: his best time as a major leaguer. It might have
Speaker 1: been right before they optioned him to save you know whatever,
Speaker 1: to save Innians and health, and then he got hurt.
Speaker 1: You know, he was bad and then got hurt and
Speaker 1: then was bad and yeah, exactly. Let's go to our
Speaker 1: third segment around well, you know what I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna need to coffee. It's a lot. Yeah, I need
Speaker 1: a recal coffee too. Let's take a break. We'll be
Speaker 1: back with the rest of the show. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: episode five hundred and fifty four of five and Dive.
Speaker 1: And I am gonna say this. I've been meaning to
Speaker 1: say this literally every pod this month. And if people,
Speaker 1: if it hasn't occurred to people that my mind goes
Speaker 1: completely blank right as I start every single episode. Uh,
Speaker 1: this proves it, because it's been We're now halfway through
Speaker 1: the month. We're dead in the middle of June. We
Speaker 1: are in mid it is mid mid June, and I
Speaker 1: will finally say happy Pride to everybody. I legitimately before
Speaker 1: we did our first pod again exactly two weeks ago
Speaker 1: as June first, I thought I'm going to say that
Speaker 1: right off the top before banter and I've it's just
Speaker 1: my mind goes blank every single time But while we're
Speaker 1: on the subject of that, and we're going to go
Speaker 1: around the horn, some Giants players might not feel the
Speaker 1: same way.
Speaker 2: No, Craig, They're just definitely don't. They're just reclaiming the rainbow.
Speaker 1: And they're standing firm in those beliefs. And I would
Speaker 1: beg any reporter to say, you know, what are those beliefs?
Speaker 1: If you're standing firm in them, can you elucidate a
Speaker 1: little bit more?
Speaker 3: What what what is it you need? You may not
Speaker 3: agree with something, but what do you what is the
Speaker 3: thing you actually feel.
Speaker 2: Or the thing you don't agree with? Be clear about that.
Speaker 1: And again, if you're standing firm, please stand firm for firm.
Speaker 1: So the thing I want to say about this is
Speaker 1: number one. Grant Brisbee wrote about this look. It is
Speaker 1: not strictly a Giants issue. Alex call and Blake Trinan
Speaker 1: are among I think there might have been another Dodger
Speaker 1: player on their Pride Knight who did not wear the hat. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Clayton Kershaw wrote a Bible verse on his hat. It
Speaker 1: was not as big as some of the writing on
Speaker 1: some of the Giants hats recently. But again, this goes
Speaker 1: back a waves Jinny Searle wrote for US in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two on the race players five raised players refused
Speaker 1: to wear the Pride night hats that the race did,
Speaker 1: and that article. She won a Saber Award for that article.
Speaker 1: And I was looking back at it to see, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know just to feel bad about things and
Speaker 1: how little has changed, but I not only how little
Speaker 1: has changed, but how things have gone backwards in this time.
Speaker 1: Not the only thing in society that has gone backwards,
Speaker 1: to be clear, But there's a line in Jenny's article
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty two that says, like the Giants and
Speaker 1: Rays the team, this is about the Dodgers wore rainbow
Speaker 1: flag inspired caps in neither in neither other team's case
Speaker 1: did a player opt out. One wonders if players were
Speaker 1: given an option. So she's talking about dogs, the Dodgers
Speaker 1: in that case, and the Giants not opting out of
Speaker 1: wearing the Pride at and obviously last year it happened.
Speaker 1: This year, it happened for both of those teams. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, for her to pick out those teams. Now,
Speaker 1: those teams have had long, longer running Pride events, I
Speaker 1: think than than many of the other ones. I saw
Speaker 1: something recently about like alternate you know, like like they
Speaker 1: had been exempted from having h they had to be
Speaker 1: exempted for an additional uniform change or whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I would just say, go back and read Jinny's article,
Speaker 1: go back and read grants much more recent one. It
Speaker 1: was very well done. I you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: that it I guess it does need to be said.
Speaker 1: I find this pathetic in so many ways. I I
Speaker 1: guess the part I can't wrap my head around is
Speaker 1: even if you disagree, I disagree with a lot. You know,
Speaker 1: I disagree with with certain themed nights that that you know,
Speaker 1: I'll say, like the amount of military things, like I
Speaker 1: don't it makes me uncomfortable in some ways, but I don't.
Speaker 1: But I also understand, right, like I don't disagree with
Speaker 1: every military thing ever, but like the the the you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it could be sometimes a little bit much
Speaker 1: to me. Whatever. Also it's okay, it's a night, it's
Speaker 1: one night. Let other people have their thing.
Speaker 3: And imagine imagine defacing your hat on a military night, right,
Speaker 3: and imagine how that would happen.
Speaker 1: So, but they just announced, by the way that they're
Speaker 1: for July fourth, everyone's going to wear uniforms that have
Speaker 1: the American flag in.
Speaker 2: The Toronto is it?
Speaker 1: Seriously?
Speaker 2: I think they have hats that are But no, this
Speaker 2: was the thing.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, I'm not saying with military or
Speaker 1: the flag or whatever that there aren't things to honor.
Speaker 1: It makes me uncomfortable because of the other things that
Speaker 1: come with it. And and I guess in trying to post.
Speaker 2: This is your job to wear the hat like your job,
Speaker 2: this is your uniform for the day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ultimately comes down to what you get to opt
Speaker 3: out of, Yes, whether you can knopt out of this
Speaker 3: and whether you can.
Speaker 1: Do you think a player can knopt out of I
Speaker 1: was I don't I was talking to someone else, So
Speaker 1: I'm not going to claim credit for this. I don't
Speaker 1: know that they want their name attached or not, so
Speaker 1: I'm not going to attach the name. But I want
Speaker 1: to be clear, I didn't come up with this. But
Speaker 1: do you think they could opt out of Jackie wearing
Speaker 1: forty two? On Jackie Robinson? They?
Speaker 2: I mean the leagu would immediately put a stop to that.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, And the league would do it then and
Speaker 3: wouldn't do it? Here is something but this is I
Speaker 3: mean you, asked Logan Web. Logan Web would say yes,
Speaker 3: because you know, there was an article yesterday I believe
Speaker 3: by John Shay talking about the Giants response to this,
Speaker 3: and then the team made a statement and said we
Speaker 3: also are So it says the San Francisco Giants are
Speaker 3: proud to support Pride Night and the LGBTQ plus community.
Speaker 3: Baseball should be a place where everyone feels welcome, respected,
Speaker 3: and value. We also respect that individuals may make personal
Speaker 3: choices about participating in team activities. Oh we understand that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so everyone is allowed to opt out of everything is
Speaker 3: essentially what the San Francisco Giants are arguing. We understand
Speaker 3: that the choices by individual players have caused pain and
Speaker 3: anger to many in the LGBTQ community, and we are
Speaker 3: sorry for that. Those choices do not change our organization's
Speaker 3: commitment to inclusion, belongs and creating the environment for all,
Speaker 3: even though you've created this exact environment that we are
Speaker 3: in through your employees that you did not discipline. Logan
Speaker 3: Webb meanwhile says you can't force anybody. They're grown ups.
Speaker 3: They can make their own decisions. Asked if the actions
Speaker 3: of the pictures to divide the clubhouse. Web said no, no, no,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of guys in here with the personal
Speaker 3: eyes and beliefs. It's a big lead clubhouse. You got
Speaker 3: guys from different countries, difment areas. I grew up in
Speaker 3: a different place than say Landin that's a lot of guys.
Speaker 3: I have different feelings that will not divide the clubhouse
Speaker 3: at all. At the end of the day, I just
Speaker 3: want to win baseball games. So yes, you can go ahead.
Speaker 3: And you know, not Stan for the anthem, say right,
Speaker 3: that'll go over there? Just a lie according to the giants.
Speaker 3: Logically speaking, it is the exact same.
Speaker 1: Everybody has their own beliefs, and everyone is allowed to
Speaker 1: stay with all their own beliefs. So here's here's the thing, right, Well,
Speaker 1: and I guess, like I do believe people should be
Speaker 1: allowed to opt out of things. Yeah, but it's it's
Speaker 1: just inten what gets attention and how and how that
Speaker 1: attention tends to go and what gets set about the
Speaker 1: people who make you know, the people and the things
Speaker 1: that are opted out of. And you know, everyone gets
Speaker 1: to have their belief when they opt out of Pride Night.
Speaker 1: But if you know.
Speaker 2: When Carlos Delgatto wouldn't stand for the anthem when they
Speaker 2: were or.
Speaker 1: Why am I blanking on on his the catcher with
Speaker 1: the a's.
Speaker 3: Who Yeah yeah Maxwell was not a.
Speaker 1: Maxwell, thank you. I kept in my head. I kept
Speaker 1: thinking Max Mounsey and I was like, it's not Max
Speaker 1: Mony obviously, but like many of the any of the
Speaker 1: Max Monthies, Bruce Maxwell, right, Like, it didn't really people
Speaker 1: didn't really go well, you know, yeah, it's up. You know,
Speaker 1: everyone has their own feelings.
Speaker 2: I mean everything, everything about this is like the tweet
Speaker 2: you know, a witch belief, oh you know the one.
Speaker 2: It's all the oh, you know the ones like everybody
Speaker 2: knows what's happening here, but they're actually like honestly, like
Speaker 2: if you're gonna one of those was Sam Hankins came
Speaker 2: out and just said I don't believe in that.
Speaker 4: And it's like at.
Speaker 2: Least he said it right, like everyone else is being
Speaker 2: so medium mouthed about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 3: It's well, it's all it's all coats, right, it's always yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes and well and the thing is like, to to
Speaker 1: logan Web's point, like I I think I actually I
Speaker 1: understand what logan Web is saying, and I'm sure it
Speaker 1: does not divide the clubhouse. I'm sure it doesn't because
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of them don't want to say
Speaker 1: it but or or don't even want to not wear
Speaker 1: the hat or whatever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, are are are fine with them or perfectly.
Speaker 1: Fine with it or whatever. But I do think to
Speaker 1: logan Web's point, like you said, it's a job. Here's
Speaker 1: your uniform, Like logan webs there to win baseball games
Speaker 1: and maybe not be literal friends with everybody. Sure, you
Speaker 1: know we've all worked with assholes and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't really like them, but like it's not going
Speaker 1: to change my work environment or whatever, right my ability
Speaker 1: to do my job.
Speaker 3: It is management's job to make sure one's doing their job.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, I'm with you on that, but I understand
Speaker 1: where logan Web is. Yeah, you can answer it.
Speaker 3: But if I were Logan I probably just wouldn't have
Speaker 3: talked about it.
Speaker 1: I think the questions need to not be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a question that's trying to sidestep its way
Speaker 1: into the actual issue, and it really just the questions
Speaker 1: need And I'm not trying to criticize reporters who are
Speaker 1: doing who are doing their jobs too, but like it is,
Speaker 1: they're trying to imply something. It is it is kind
Speaker 1: of like, we all know what I'm asking with this question. No,
Speaker 1: just ask the question.
Speaker 2: We all know.
Speaker 1: This allows him to say, this allows him to say no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't disrupt the clubhouse. But but that is not saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: I still find this guy abhorrent. I can find him
Speaker 1: abhorrent and still like I'm on, I'm on the other
Speaker 1: side of the clubhouse, so I don't really care, right,
Speaker 1: Like that is that is something that these guys, some
Speaker 1: of these guys are doing right And.
Speaker 2: And look, the giants at any point in time would
Speaker 2: have just said wear the damn hats, like you're gonna
Speaker 2: wear the hats for one day? Yeah, and they chose
Speaker 2: not to. That's actually that.
Speaker 1: Is the part that that really I is. I mean,
Speaker 1: so it's hard to wrap my head around, except for
Speaker 1: I understand that there are people who have very different
Speaker 1: value systems than I do. Right, But the thing, I
Speaker 1: really I'm just like, it's one it's one game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one game. Just suffer it. I guess if you
Speaker 1: have to, it wouldn't be suffering for a lot of people.
Speaker 4: But like for you.
Speaker 1: I guess it is. I just do it.
Speaker 2: There are actually, and like, there are absolutely people wearing
Speaker 2: these hats that don't agree with yeah, but they just
Speaker 2: wear the hats because it's not yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's meaningful to other people. And it doesn't actually,
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't have to be an endorsement whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, just suffer through it. It's not the same
Speaker 1: thing at all. I just went to my kids kindergarten
Speaker 1: promotion thing that I don't think should exist. I don't
Speaker 1: think kindergarten promotion ceremonies that invite parents should look give
Speaker 1: everyone a certificate, God bless. I don't think it needs
Speaker 1: to happen. Okay, but I went and I clapped for everybody.
Speaker 1: They went down a slide. I don't know why. I also,
Speaker 1: this was our banter went long, but I was gonna
Speaker 1: say the the other we have two classes in the kindergarten,
Speaker 1: and the other teacher came out first and said her
Speaker 1: first words were, it's been a good year. It's been
Speaker 1: a long year. And I thought that second sentence seems
Speaker 1: to invalidate the first sentence. Yeah, but it's one. It's one,
Speaker 1: you know. It was one morning for me it's not
Speaker 1: that big a deal. Just it's meaningful to other people
Speaker 1: and they enjoyed it and that was nice, right, like,
Speaker 1: let you know, open your heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what is that what your heart?
Speaker 1: Fix your heart exactly? That's I guess that's where I
Speaker 1: will leave it. We will go to our normal around
Speaker 1: the horn topics. I'm sorry, but I did like it.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, it's in injury news, the big one. Jose
Speaker 1: Ramirez has broken his hamdmate. He will be is it heymate?
Speaker 2: I no, I mean maybe whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's broken.
Speaker 2: A little bone.
Speaker 1: He's broken the hook shaped little bone in his hand.
Speaker 1: He will be out, what it's four to six weeks
Speaker 1: this week? Yeah, I saw I think it was Chris Towers, uh,
Speaker 1: someone noting there's been a lot of hammate haymate bone
Speaker 1: breaks this season and that doesn't even count Corbyn Carroll
Speaker 1: and for Cisco Lindor because I believe they made it
Speaker 1: back by opening day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it always feels like there's a lot of these.
Speaker 1: It's so right, But he checked the injury list, but
Speaker 1: I so I didn't. I wasn't gonna do the work.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, But I did have the thought
Speaker 1: that like there was a rash of these. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I want to say, I'm like twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, or what.
Speaker 2: We've also had more Gracillis injuries than ever before.
Speaker 3: Once we keep coming up with the words, so what
Speaker 3: does this mean for It's bad?
Speaker 1: But he also hasn't been the Jose Ramirez that Cleveland
Speaker 1: normally gets. So what does this mean for them?
Speaker 2: The White Sox said, will win this division?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I was gonna I was gonna
Speaker 1: say this. Look, they just took two or three from
Speaker 1: the Dodgers. They at least won one of the Atlanta games.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I know they won one, I don't
Speaker 1: remember if they won more than that. I sent a
Speaker 1: text to James Vegan, White Sox speed reporter after this series,
Speaker 1: and I said, I understand this. I'm trying to be
Speaker 1: upfront about you know, I'm not I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: hide the ball. I suppose then I understand this is
Speaker 1: a little salty or or maybe even a little petty.
Speaker 1: But it felt to me that like White Sox fans
Speaker 1: are maybe getting a little over their skis, and like
Speaker 1: he said, can you blame them? And that's right? No,
Speaker 1: I can't blame them. They should they you they White
Speaker 1: Sox fans more than deserve this. This is a fun team.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 1: It is a good lineup good yeah, yeah, probably. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say team right, and I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to be petty with that, but it is a good lineup.
Speaker 1: It Also, it just feels like a little.
Speaker 2: It's a long season.
Speaker 1: It's a long season. At the same time, the Central
Speaker 1: is oh bad, Like, yeah, they might win the s
Speaker 1: they might win the Central and not be a good team.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want.
Speaker 1: I don't want White Sox, right, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I don't want White Sex to feel bad about this.
Speaker 1: I feel like I say this about the Guardians every year.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it about the Rays constantly this year. Still
Speaker 1: I yeah, I don't know. But it felt like and
Speaker 1: and look at this is this is where I saw
Speaker 1: someone like it was a reposts so I don't even
Speaker 1: follow the person, but like it was like we are
Speaker 1: the gold because this was this was supposed to be,
Speaker 1: as James said to me, like this was supposed to
Speaker 1: be a stretch that sunk their season and it hasn't
Speaker 1: remote And so credit to them for that, right, But
Speaker 1: it's also gonna say, like we are the Gauntlet, and
Speaker 1: I want to just be like all right, all right,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, you have like let him
Speaker 1: go nuts, right, they should get to go nuts a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, I think I'm wrong, but I still
Speaker 1: feel it a little. But I think I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: The Gauntlet of Anthony, k Eric Fetty and Brandon iserc.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also Anthony. He came up to ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was doing that, like he can do that,
Speaker 2: I guess occasionally, not.
Speaker 1: Apparently, And I just but I was like, wow, didn't
Speaker 1: didn't realize where I knew he was thrown, you know, yes,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know it was upper truly upper nineties,
Speaker 1: you know. So I guess our our thoughts on Jose
Speaker 1: Ramirez and and the Guardians are the White Sox might yeah.
Speaker 2: Well becoming that's I know, he hasn't been great, but
Speaker 2: they also don't have a replacement for him, so.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been great. But also like there's a number
Speaker 1: of above average hitters and they are just above average.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah in this lineup, so like maybe it won't
Speaker 1: sink them. I don't know. I don't know. Uh. In
Speaker 1: other Central news, the Royals, Uh, Vinnie Passmentino also broke.
Speaker 2: His also broke hismate apparently.
Speaker 1: Oh I meant, okay, I didn't know that. Maybe there
Speaker 1: are a lot. Maybe there are a lot. Look, I
Speaker 1: don't want to sound is it is it just not
Speaker 1: gonna happen for Vinnie past Yeah? I mean, am I
Speaker 1: not all the underlying stuff? But this was like a
Speaker 1: bad year Anti Sart. He gets hurt a.
Speaker 2: Little bit, get hurt a little bit, and it felt
Speaker 2: it's never It's not like he misses a stretch.
Speaker 1: It's not like ten days he misses like but.
Speaker 2: And it's not like recurring or like stuff where it's like,
Speaker 2: oh he keeps having back issues. It's like it's something,
Speaker 2: it's a new thing.
Speaker 1: It will be the gricillas.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: And in other Royals news, Cole Reagan's is getting more
Speaker 1: testing on his arm. Is this the Garrett Crochet Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's already.
Speaker 2: Tommy John So I assume they want to avoid surgery,
Speaker 2: but they might not be able to avoid surgery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Patrick. They are a
Speaker 1: half game back of Detroit at this point. Spencer Strider, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this this seems bad.
Speaker 2: It's just inflammation. The rays want to be clear, it
Speaker 2: is only inflammation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, famous when you're sitting upper eighties, and it's because
Speaker 1: your elbow even in your decreased you know, your post
Speaker 1: injury velocity. Because he's he was still like ninety six,
Speaker 1: right he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was still getting it up there or ramping
Speaker 2: it up there. Yet it's not obviously we were.
Speaker 1: Upper eighties before getting I mean, yeah, it's hard to
Speaker 1: throw the you know, it's both hard to throw the
Speaker 1: ball really hard when you're hurt. And also Terrek Schoople
Speaker 1: I think was throwing ninety eight when his elbow locked
Speaker 1: up on him before his before his operation. Obviously different situations,
Speaker 1: but like man up eighties seems I understand it's just inflammation.
Speaker 2: But that's yes, it's well sometimes yeah, he's on the
Speaker 2: I with elbow inflammation, and as Patrick said, that never
Speaker 2: hides anything obvious terms of structural damage.
Speaker 1: Obviously outlast Garcia on the sixty day IL. He's done
Speaker 1: for the year, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, he could come back, but I would doubt
Speaker 2: that that will happen.
Speaker 1: That spurred I believe I saw from Bob Nightingale the
Speaker 1: Phillies are very interested in a corner outfielder names including
Speaker 1: Joe adel and Saya Suzuki.
Speaker 2: How did they think they're getting, say, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like Joe Adell. Fine, like that makes
Speaker 2: perfect sense, but that is a team that's been saying
Speaker 2: that for years. Well yeah, we're saying the angel should
Speaker 2: trade him and the Philly should acquire him for several
Speaker 2: years now. But yeah, uh, i'll see they called up.
Speaker 2: We'll get to the college to call it Gabriel and Kanes,
Speaker 2: but he's more of a It sounds like it might
Speaker 2: be a Gabriel in Karne's Derek Hill platoon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: You said Derek Hill. Well, because you said, my brain
Speaker 1: glitched because you said Derek Hill. But I thought I
Speaker 1: was trying to think of Philly's minor leaguer slash occasional
Speaker 1: big leader Derek Hall.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Well they've play him in the outfield also.
Speaker 1: I know, but I was like, my brain just had
Speaker 1: had a moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay, I got to do something.
Speaker 2: They have to fill that position and they're not going
Speaker 2: to play out there, so.
Speaker 1: Good luck with that. Yeah, they need to acquite you know,
Speaker 1: it's too bad. The Marlins already picked up Austin Slater.
Speaker 1: I guess Evan Evan Carter has an Speaking of guys,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's just gonna happen for outfield. Vinnie
Speaker 1: pas Pentino, Evan Carter. He does have recurring back injuries,
Speaker 1: but this one is an oblique, and Chase Dollinder expected
Speaker 1: to have UCL surgery that is a summer.
Speaker 2: We can also add, as of this morning, Christian Scott
Speaker 2: has gone on the il with something. The Mets are
Speaker 2: terming minor. They won't say what, but they are terming
Speaker 2: it minor.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, in better pitcher news, I suppose, specifically, if
Speaker 1: you're a Tigers fan, Casey Miz and Terrek Scubel are back.
Speaker 1: Schooble averaged ninety six ninety seven in his return. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what to say about this.
Speaker 1: I this is like feels like the most successful surgery ever,
Speaker 1: and I know every surgery is a success, but like
Speaker 1: he's just back. He looked, his command was.
Speaker 2: Not he didn't pitch great, but like it wasn't there's
Speaker 2: no I don't think it was.
Speaker 1: But in urn the raw, Yeah, like returns like.
Speaker 2: He hasn't pitched for a month and he had one
Speaker 2: rehab start, so some rust is to be expected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like for him to come out and throw
Speaker 1: the stuff that he threw, even if it wasn't well placed,
Speaker 1: like that's in the amount of time, Like that's crazy
Speaker 1: to me. We'll see if I'm guessing Blake Snell isn't
Speaker 1: going to have the same speedy return.
Speaker 2: And God knows of his commands worst when he comes back.
Speaker 1: Who would know? Who would know? I didn't see my
Speaker 1: mies came back and then missed time again, and this
Speaker 1: is he's back a well, Detroit needs it, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean what they're nine and a half back of
Speaker 1: the White Sox in the division. They are, Sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to pull up the wild card. They're six and
Speaker 1: a half six.
Speaker 2: Pack wait term many obviously wrote about this for Friday,
Speaker 2: like what they might do with Trek School ones, Like
Speaker 2: they're just gonna trade tex School at this point. I
Speaker 2: think I do think they can. I don't think they
Speaker 2: can assuming he I mean they division lead later than this. Yes,
Speaker 2: there's slightly more teams I guess between them and.
Speaker 1: No, I meant the division, but sure, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think you take it down to at
Speaker 1: least at least mid late July or yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: late mid July or early late July. One of those
Speaker 1: things in call ups, as you mentioned Gabriel Rinconez, I
Speaker 1: don't know, do you want to have a he's neat?
Speaker 2: I mean he kind of is outfield Derek Hall frankly
Speaker 2: so okay?
Speaker 1: Sure. The more notable one you also mentioned earlier, Cooper
Speaker 1: Pratt Sounds of Milwaukee, might just be moving on from Joe.
Speaker 1: Your tease was how you Luis rang one of the two.
Speaker 3: A little easier to move away from, even.
Speaker 2: Though right like like, I don't know how much third
Speaker 2: base Pratt has played in the Miners, but you can
Speaker 2: move more tease there too. If you want to play
Speaker 2: Pride at shortstop, I think they're gonna have to play
Speaker 2: one of them because Pratt can only play one or
Speaker 2: the other position. But he's a good defensive shortstop. Has
Speaker 2: never really developed as much power as you would think
Speaker 2: looking at him, and for a guy that has shown
Speaker 2: the ability to pull and left, he just doesn't do it.
Speaker 2: He also for a guy that six foot four, doesn't
Speaker 2: hit the ball as hard as you'd think, but in
Speaker 2: every other way he has a very Brewish player.
Speaker 1: And he's very easy to promote in the sense that
Speaker 1: they already locked him into that extension, So that's not
Speaker 1: a consideration, or if it's a consideration, it's already taken
Speaker 1: into account, yes, so to speak. Uh, this is a
Speaker 1: fun one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Dan Lspino of the Guardians called up he is a reliever.
Speaker 2: Yes, but.
Speaker 1: What missed three years?
Speaker 2: For like three weeks in May, he was.
Speaker 1: Like, oh right, yes, yeah, and then he missed three
Speaker 1: years and I think, like when I say missed three years,
Speaker 1: I think he might have thrown off a mound in
Speaker 1: a complex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had bury his shoulder injuries basically.
Speaker 1: And so he's back, he's did he pick Did you
Speaker 1: get to see if he pitched?
Speaker 2: I haven't seen if he's pitched yet now, yeah, but
Speaker 2: I mean the velocity has mostly come back.
Speaker 1: Just the fact that he's on them, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: good for him for being in the majors. That's that's awesome.
Speaker 2: It's extreme, like there is no such thing as a
Speaker 2: he has not pitched in the majors yet.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, hopefully I'm glad he's on the team. But
Speaker 1: let's get him into a game. Yeah, real quick, it's
Speaker 1: not let's not ghost.
Speaker 2: I mean he is. He is striking out fourteen per
Speaker 2: nine in triple A, also walking seven per nine.
Speaker 1: Okay, sure we need the uh, the Brewers pitching development
Speaker 1: and lastly, Sean Sullivan for the Rockies pitching prospect. I'll
Speaker 1: say what I said in our slack, but someone said
Speaker 1: highly touted? Was Shawn Sullivan? Highly touted?
Speaker 2: Maybe not even really for the Rockies.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Jeffrey, what Sean Sullivan?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're the prospect guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. He throws from a low slot at
Speaker 2: like eighty nine miles an hour. And then he had
Speaker 2: to make his first start in Vegas. It didn't go.
Speaker 2: It didn't go that badly, honestly.
Speaker 1: Three innings, two hits, two strikeouts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no runs, yeah.
Speaker 1: No runs, no walks. I mean, honestly, pretty solid. Is
Speaker 1: only three innings, but yeah, pretty solid? Uh? And then
Speaker 1: what would you like to say about the Scotland fans
Speaker 1: in Fenway?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: So, the Scottish national team had their first game against Haiti,
Speaker 2: and I guess I have to call it one. I'm
Speaker 2: sorry they call it Boston Stadium. I guess so they
Speaker 2: can't call it a Gillett Stadium because they have not
Speaker 2: paid FIFA. Yeah, they put they put black tape overall
Speaker 2: like the ketchup.
Speaker 1: They're not just call it Foxborough.
Speaker 4: No, they did.
Speaker 2: I did see they called it Jerry World last night
Speaker 2: instead of Dallas Stadium, which fair enough.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And since they're in town, they decided to all go
Speaker 2: in the game to the Red Sox Rangers game last
Speaker 2: night and basically brought the atmosphere with them. There were
Speaker 2: some John McGinn songs, There was some chanting. I don't
Speaker 2: I assume the tarps were off at some point. There
Speaker 2: may have been celts on tips off, but just you know,
Speaker 2: like it's it's just fun. It's like a nice little
Speaker 2: cultural exchange.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Before we move on, I just want to congratulate. It
Speaker 3: seems it seems wrong to go this whole show without
Speaker 3: congratulating the Colorado Rockies who won a game yesterday. They
Speaker 3: won a game by the score of what was the score,
Speaker 3: twenty three to nine nine. They were in yeah, Las
Speaker 3: Vegas to enjoy the atmosphere of non course, they won
Speaker 3: by fourteen runs, which is more than any victory as
Speaker 3: far back as I had time to go as soon
Speaker 3: as I started looking at it. Definitely this decade. They
Speaker 3: have not won a game by fourteen runs this decade.
Speaker 3: They certainly haven't done it on the road, which is
Speaker 3: particularly amusing. They have certainly never done it in a
Speaker 3: game in which Braxton Fulford was the DH. Braxton Fulford
Speaker 3: DH for a twenty three run lineup.
Speaker 2: Willie Castro hit two home runs, much to Craig's consternation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, only five walks.
Speaker 2: I was a little annoyed. The a Is brought in
Speaker 2: Carlos Cortes to be their position player pitching, and he
Speaker 2: is notably a switch thrower. But he only pitched left handed.
Speaker 1: Oh? Is that that's what?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was a switch thrower.
Speaker 2: He's a switch thrower.
Speaker 1: I did see that. It was like, Carlos Scortez is
Speaker 1: pitching left handed, and I was like.
Speaker 2: Huh, yeah, because he came up as a second basement,
Speaker 2: so he has to throw right handed. What do you
Speaker 2: say in the endfield? I know he's played out field
Speaker 2: now for the A when he's not dhing, but yeah,
Speaker 2: but he is a switch thrower.
Speaker 3: I did enjoy the Tonyo Ki Sigano line. He won
Speaker 3: a seventy's seven to four. For those of you still
Speaker 3: kind of caring about winnings and losses. He got the
Speaker 3: victory with five innings and eight eurn runs allowed, two strikeounds.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to what to watch for a
Speaker 1: fourth segment. I'll kick us off. I think I took
Speaker 1: the only good one. I'm gonna be honest with you guys.
Speaker 1: Is not not a good set of matchups here, White
Speaker 1: Socks and Yankees, specifically the Tuesday matchup. You get Davis
Speaker 1: Martin ver Sucarett Cole Ace versus Ace. As I said,
Speaker 1: know again, I'm trying not to be uncharitable. The White
Speaker 1: Sox fun fun to watch. I watched Sam Antonacci absolutely
Speaker 1: destroy baseball. It was it was fantastic. I watched Chase
Speaker 1: made Roth and I'm I'm looking at you, Colin Whitchurch.
Speaker 1: I am not fixing my pronunciation on Chase Mayeroth coming
Speaker 1: at this.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: It is barely not It's not pronounced that way, just
Speaker 1: so you guys know, But I'm not fixing it. I
Speaker 1: watched him destroy one less exciting. I liked the Antonaci
Speaker 1: experience better.
Speaker 2: We got a Miguel Vargas revenge game.
Speaker 1: In there. Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean just I but
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna complain about that. Miguel Vargus A joy,
Speaker 1: A joy to watch, This is a this is a fun,
Speaker 1: fun team, fun lineup, and Davis Martin, I I enjoyed
Speaker 1: before the breakout, and so I'm very much enjoying the
Speaker 1: breakout and I hope he continues to do it against
Speaker 1: the Yankees. Plus you get Garrett Cole and the Yankees,
Speaker 1: So why not that's my what to watch? Patrick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did not get one of the good games
Speaker 3: there are.
Speaker 1: That's it. There are none, I know.
Speaker 3: So I decided, like, I'm enjoying the Sacramento things, so
Speaker 3: let's keep it going. I picked Pittsburgh and Sacramento. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be a dumb series. You got the first the
Speaker 3: first matchups pretty good. You You got Jared Jones versus
Speaker 3: j T J. That seems like pretty yeah, Okay, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know how much I believe in JG. But
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know how much I believe in
Speaker 3: the health of Jared Jones, but you know, it'll be
Speaker 3: fun to find out. Then it's Mitch Keller versus Jack Perkins,
Speaker 3: who d a darling Jack Perkins, who was who was
Speaker 3: on the Seawan Newcomb like he was on the path
Speaker 3: towards Shawn Newcomb d R A minus like fun until
Speaker 3: he started starting, and now he doesn't seem to be
Speaker 3: as good as he might, just be a reliever. And
Speaker 3: then Braxton Ashcroft versus versus the man whose name I
Speaker 3: will not pronounce a starting picture for the athletics anyway,
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be a good series, but if you
Speaker 3: turn it on, something will almost certainly be happening, which
Speaker 3: I guess is what you have to take.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, who who am athletics?
Speaker 3: In the athletics? Why not pronounce?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Start a picture? Aaron Civilly? Okay, I'm just I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna make it a worse and worst pronunciation every single time.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start using a hard see just yeah, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be ugly. Tell me, by the way, the first
Speaker 3: picture to win a game in which he gave up
Speaker 3: eight runs in seven years?
Speaker 1: Who was the last one?
Speaker 3: You want to guess?
Speaker 4: I'm gonna who is the.
Speaker 2: Isn't it? He's Athletics and Royals?
Speaker 1: Guy?
Speaker 3: Oh, you're thinking of you? Think of the Mazzaro? Think, yes,
Speaker 3: that's how I knew that right off? Mazzari. I think
Speaker 3: just lost games, which another Rocky. It is another Rocky.
Speaker 3: It's Antonio sends a time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Just check out if you.
Speaker 1: Go past that.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a fascinating group of players because then
Speaker 3: you get to Cliff Lee Jeremy.
Speaker 1: It's like a good starter with a bat has a guy.
Speaker 1: It's the guy who does like the Garrett Cole start
Speaker 1: where it's like you give up and then you just
Speaker 1: you're eating it.
Speaker 3: So you got Andy pet On there, you got Dan Harrigan,
Speaker 3: you got Woody Williams, Russe Ortiz.
Speaker 1: Forty Williams is like the platonic ideal to move this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely Williams. Yeah, Russell Tees too. Sure, ye all right, Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: you're what to watch.
Speaker 2: What I think is the only other game between two
Speaker 2: teams with winning records. It's a Padre and the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: I don't really believe in either of these teams, but
Speaker 2: somebody can win this series, and it's vaguely interesting.
Speaker 1: It is also like the Cardinals pitching staff versus the
Speaker 1: car The Padres lineup is.
Speaker 2: Like very coughing baby versus coughing baby.
Speaker 3: Say that and yet the Cardinal will absolutely win this series.
Speaker 3: The Cardinals win all these.
Speaker 2: Series, one of the twins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but which brings us to our game, which I
Speaker 1: do need. I'm sorry, You're right.
Speaker 4: I didn't. There's not a lot of good games.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of clear cycos I don't want
Speaker 2: the Royals and the Nationals just because.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of clear It's like they've made the
Speaker 1: entire schedule.
Speaker 4: Out of sick I guess.
Speaker 2: But like this one, this one, Yeah, that's like the
Speaker 2: inter league matchup that shouldn't happen. Yea Vibes do Royals Nationals? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that is that is true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean no, it is not the only
Speaker 1: other one there was Guardians Brewers is another. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to both both over five hundreds. I
Speaker 1: thought you're gonna Rockies Cubs felt very.
Speaker 2: I thought about I did Rockies Cubs a week ago?
Speaker 3: The Rockies win that series?
Speaker 2: They did, and I said.
Speaker 1: And I said, if they did, the Cubs are in
Speaker 1: trouble and in a little bit of trouble, and to
Speaker 1: be despite what I said earlier about I think they
Speaker 1: can close it. I think they can, but I think
Speaker 1: they're in trouble. Yeah, yeah, it is a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot. A lot of these series are just being
Speaker 1: run back the Angels d backs, I think also Sticko's energies.
Speaker 1: And then I looked at this and thought, didn't the
Speaker 1: Orioles just play the Mariners? Yes, I think they did
Speaker 1: before they played the Padres. So this is like twice
Speaker 1: in three series.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: They've screwed this schedule up so much. It's absolutely bathling.
Speaker 1: So that takes us to our game, not Patrick, but
Speaker 1: Jeffrey and I do need to preface this with noting
Speaker 1: to everyone that Jeffrey sent a message to our group
Speaker 1: chat over the weekend that was I just thought of
Speaker 1: a game. Craig is absolutely gonna hate it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So that takes us to our game.
Speaker 2: It's called IMD MLB. I've been inspired by Patrick quatche
Speaker 2: going through the IMBD two hundred and fifty list or
Speaker 2: I guess five hundred list, but only the top two
Speaker 2: fifty two hundred.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not watching Cuchia Dogs till this.
Speaker 4: Is sort of like.
Speaker 2: This is kind of like a before and after where
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a description of a player
Speaker 2: and a movie. Okay, and you have to put the
Speaker 2: player's name into the movie, your's name into the Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I will I will give you.
Speaker 1: Is there an example?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I want to think of one extra one.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to think of one extra one. I
Speaker 2: thought I should do an example.
Speaker 4: So we're just going to see how this goes.
Speaker 2: I'll start with an easy one.
Speaker 4: Okay, see how that goes?
Speaker 2: H and again just buzz in. Basically, yeah, A slugging
Speaker 2: star for the second incarnation of the Washington Senators and
Speaker 2: a classic classic merchant Ivory film. Sorry Anthony Hopkins and
Speaker 2: Emma Thompson, is get this repressed British people in love?
Speaker 1: This is an easy one. Congratulations to Patrick.
Speaker 3: The funny thing is, I'm blanking on the movie even
Speaker 3: though I.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not. I'm looking at the cover of the
Speaker 1: movie in my mind and I can't think of the
Speaker 1: name of the movie. I've read the book like three
Speaker 1: years ago. Uh do you know a Senator? So couldn't
Speaker 1: you repeat the first half?
Speaker 3: I remember now? The name of the.
Speaker 1: Movie was what was this?
Speaker 2: Plugging star for the second incarnation of the Washington Senators?
Speaker 2: And a classic Merchant Ivory film? Sorry Anthony Hopkins. And
Speaker 2: Emma Thompson as get this repressed British people in love?
Speaker 1: Is it? I assume it's like Frank Howard.
Speaker 2: Frank Howard's Frank Howard's end.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's Frank Coward's en.
Speaker 1: Yeah, congratulations. I will never I will not put these together.
Speaker 1: I was stuck on the remains. I've never heard of
Speaker 1: Howard's end?
Speaker 2: Have you never heard of end? All right? Anyway, what
Speaker 2: does botus plow?
Speaker 4: Three these?
Speaker 2: There's ten of them?
Speaker 4: So, oh my.
Speaker 3: God, Craig gets some culture.
Speaker 2: The Tigers nineteen eighties, Three True Outcomes, King and a
Speaker 2: Yorgos Lanthemos film with Colin Farrell and Barry Kyogan.
Speaker 3: Oh what was the second part?
Speaker 2: Amost film with Colin Barry?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I don't even know who that second actor is.
Speaker 4: You know everything.
Speaker 1: I know who the player, but I didn't know how
Speaker 1: to say his last name because you don't.
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get this one because I don't
Speaker 3: know the movie. I know the player, but I don't
Speaker 3: know do you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, what I helped you with Howard?
Speaker 3: It's I'm pretty certain it's it was it said middle
Speaker 3: Infield was right, Yeah, it's rock there so it's a
Speaker 3: dear something. But I don't know what the movie is.
Speaker 1: No, it wouldn't be that. No, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't movies. They all have the.
Speaker 2: Killing of a sacred rob deer.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, we are wow. This is wrough, this is wow.
Speaker 3: Not only.
Speaker 2: An outfielder best known for hitting four home runs in
Speaker 2: a game and the film that famously beat out Citizen
Speaker 2: Kane for the Academy Award, said Citizen Kane.
Speaker 1: I started talking before I heard Citizen Kane.
Speaker 3: Our Citizen Kane.
Speaker 1: Look a movie that famously beat out another one, Green Book,
Speaker 1: as we know about, Patrick feels about it. Se Sean
Speaker 1: Green Book is a very good whatever. I'm sitting on
Speaker 1: that anymore.
Speaker 3: I don't remember what movie bought the Citizen Kane. And
Speaker 3: then there's there's a bunch of guys who who hit
Speaker 3: four home runs, So I don't know that I'm giving.
Speaker 2: That's how Sean Green was my valley.
Speaker 3: Green was my valley.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, well I got Sean Green. I'm feeling, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna lose, but I'm gonna feel great
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: I want to feels insurmountable.
Speaker 2: At this point, An oft injured Cubs pitcher who finished
Speaker 2: fifth in the Cy Young Race in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: and a nineteen eighties weepy starring Sally Field, Dolly Parton,
Speaker 2: Shirley McLain, and Daryl Hannah.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three feels so long.
Speaker 3: Not the weepy. Oh Justin Steel Magnolias, justin.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what? Yeah good? I feel like I
Speaker 1: should have gotten Justin Steele at least, and I I do.
Speaker 1: I've know, I know Steel Magnolias.
Speaker 2: So the twenty twenty sixth San Francisco Giants home run
Speaker 2: Leader and Alexander Payines follow up to Elections, starring Jack
Speaker 2: Nicholson and Kathy Bates.
Speaker 3: Uh uh uh about clerk Schmidt.
Speaker 1: No, no, Clerk smit about Casey Schmidt.
Speaker 3: Clerk Schmidt the bard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Craig, that's correct.
Speaker 1: A rebound found its way to my feet and it
Speaker 1: bounced in off my phone. I did not even move.
Speaker 2: You like the Japanese player that scored the header off
Speaker 2: his head like that.
Speaker 1: That's correct. That's absolutely correct.
Speaker 2: A Diamondbacks All Star, mostly because Mike Farran dressed up
Speaker 2: to promote it, and the most recent film to win
Speaker 2: all Big Five.
Speaker 1: Oscars, Jake Silence of the Jake Lamb yep, wow, wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Would I have known that without
Speaker 1: knowing it was Jake Lamb. Probably it was.
Speaker 2: Jake Lamb, a Yankees infielder who should really stop challenging
Speaker 2: balls and strikes? And a Bob Fosse musical that might
Speaker 2: be about Bob Fosse.
Speaker 1: Uh oh uh. I don't I don't know the movie
Speaker 1: is it? Is it? I don't know the movie side.
Speaker 1: I'll give Patrick a problem, Tim, but the jazz Chisholm singer,
Speaker 1: some jazz some it's probably some jazz.
Speaker 3: Is it the jazz singer, because that's better?
Speaker 1: Is the jazz singer? Or a movie? Is that?
Speaker 3: Is that? The name of the movie's all that jazzism.
Speaker 2: All that jazz chism.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: There's other movie.
Speaker 2: There's The Return, Thank you All Take It, A struggling
Speaker 2: Dodgers Reliever, and a Catherine Bigelow war film about a
Speaker 2: bomb disposal team in Iraq.
Speaker 3: The Kyle hurt Locker Locker nice.
Speaker 2: Commercially.
Speaker 1: The last one I was trying. I was trying. I
Speaker 1: was like, that was the easy one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The movie people have seen at two thousands Boston Red
Speaker 2: Sox prospects who never hit outside of Lancaster, and a
Speaker 2: two thousands indie film starring Brian Gosling and an unusual paramour.
Speaker 3: Uh that at my rank Gonsoling Philips honestly not usual. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't have this one. No, I don't think the
Speaker 3: only The only prospect I think is black Blake Swire,
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's that. No.
Speaker 1: Hell, what did is? Did the player make the majors?
Speaker 1: Was it just a prospect?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think. I don't think he made
Speaker 2: the majors.
Speaker 3: He definitely.
Speaker 1: I mean I probably know the player wouldn't say it,
Speaker 1: but I'm not.
Speaker 2: Gonna Lars Anderson and the real.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think he did.
Speaker 1: No, he definitely did. I think for two teams, even
Speaker 1: the Rays. He sounds No, he just the Red Sox
Speaker 1: and he only had fifty six played appearances. Yeah, his
Speaker 1: hat is with the Blue Jays, but so he obviously
Speaker 1: that's that's remembering some prospects. Well done on that.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what the score was he were
Speaker 3: keeping scoring? Right? JA?
Speaker 1: Is that it was that?
Speaker 3: The last one? Oh?
Speaker 1: Wow? Okay, well I'm happy with two that was some
Speaker 1: nineties Nicks. All right, congratulations Patrick, and thank you Jeff
Speaker 1: for the game. You know, like I was getting it
Speaker 1: in the sense that I'm ignorant and it made me
Speaker 1: look at my own ignorance.
Speaker 3: And it's and obviously not the kind of movies I
Speaker 3: watch generally.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't watch. I don't hate the concept
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah no, but like I think I would
Speaker 1: play the game again. I would just be Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: I do feel like it needs to be more in
Speaker 1: the vein of Kyle the Kyle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm too much more plead for this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the last walk for there you go?
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. All right, Well, thank you for the game.
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Speaker 6: I can't live at the vacancy waving over. I came
Speaker 6: my mom instill the fucking mother. How would can even
Speaker 6: answering
Speaker 3: Your go