Speaker 1: What's up, body, people, and welcome to Countdown to a
Speaker 1: Classic where it's not my opinion that counts but yours. Hey, everyone,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining me for another episode of
Speaker 1: Countdown to Classic. It's so wonderful to have you all here.
Speaker 1: And if I can just grab you for a few
Speaker 1: minutes here at the top of the episode, I've got
Speaker 1: a little bit to say about some stuff that's happening
Speaker 1: this week. So first and foremost, go nuts with this episode.
Speaker 1: There's plenty of content here for you, more from the
Speaker 1: Countdown crew on what happened this week in Epoch and
Speaker 1: all the fun little things that we've been getting into
Speaker 1: the kangaroo court and all that jazz. It's all there, guys.
Speaker 1: I just want to say that, unfortunately after the recording,
Speaker 1: Countdown got the world first kill on Volchan, so we
Speaker 1: didn't get to incorporate that. Unfortunate that we got the
Speaker 1: world first kill, but it's unfortunate that we didn't get
Speaker 1: to talk about it on this episode. That will be
Speaker 1: on the next episode that you'll get from this show.
Speaker 1: So just bear in mind if you're wondering, hey, Josh,
Speaker 1: what gives there's no talk about our big achievement. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll get there. But god, that was wild,
Speaker 1: such a funny story. But yeah, Countdown, you know got
Speaker 1: the kill. It's against all odds, the casual Countdown guild
Speaker 1: beat all the sweats. But we'll tell that story next week. Look,
Speaker 1: so that's not here, but there's a bunch of chat
Speaker 1: just about everything else, so please dig into that. But
Speaker 1: what I actually want to talk to you about is
Speaker 1: there's a lot of chatter in the Countdown discord about
Speaker 1: the Bronze Beard server that is opening on Friday North
Speaker 1: America European time and Saturday Oceanic time. So I think
Speaker 1: it's like midnight on Friday night ocean Era. If that's
Speaker 1: you or you know, look up your local time zones.
Speaker 1: It's something like, god, what was it midday Europe or
Speaker 1: something late afternoon North America. You'll figure it out. Just
Speaker 1: go fucking look either way. This Friday, a new private
Speaker 1: server is launching and a lot of people are discussing
Speaker 1: it in the Countdown discord. It's Look, the reason I'm
Speaker 1: bringing up is I don't want to freak you guys
Speaker 1: out going like, oh my god, what does this mean?
Speaker 1: Is everyone abandoning Epoch? No? No, no, we're not abandoning Epoch.
Speaker 1: Countdown is getting more and more Sixties rolling in by
Speaker 1: the day over on Project Epoch. These two private servers
Speaker 1: are very very different things. They're very different things. One
Speaker 1: is quite more Classic Plus in feel in terms of Epoch,
Speaker 1: and what's coming with Bronze Beard is Look, it's being
Speaker 1: dubbed Classic Plus, but there's a lot going on under
Speaker 1: the hood, not to say that it's you know, not
Speaker 1: Classic plus, your very your definitions of Classic Plus obviously
Speaker 1: may vary, but this is a wild version of you know,
Speaker 1: if you do people joke and say, oh, it's retail
Speaker 1: minus or it's you know, sod plus, or it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's definitely not Classic Plus, but you fucking do with
Speaker 1: the definition whatever you want to do. Either way, it's
Speaker 1: really sod on steroids in my opinion, with a lot
Speaker 1: of the retail systems coming in as well in the
Speaker 1: Vanilla world, so I'm sort of and it's got a
Speaker 1: wild cash shop as well, and we've been spending a
Speaker 1: lot of the last you know, a few days discussing
Speaker 1: the cash shop and the pay to win aspect of it.
Speaker 1: Big arguments that we'll have on the show next week
Speaker 1: about Peter Convenience versus Peter Winn. Hey man, I don't
Speaker 1: think this is payter Win. I think it very much
Speaker 1: so is Peter Win. But you know you do you
Speaker 1: people from the Countdown community. At least this server is
Speaker 1: going to be popular, There's just no joke about it.
Speaker 1: It's going to be very, very popular. But people within
Speaker 1: the Countdown community are much more tempered in their feelings
Speaker 1: towards it on the whole. Don't get me wrong. There
Speaker 1: are members of the com unity out there, those of
Speaker 1: you listening to this, who are super stoked for this server,
Speaker 1: and that's great. I'm going to be playing it, but
Speaker 1: I'm taking this time to explain to you what's going
Speaker 1: on and my attitude towards it. Look, while some of
Speaker 1: you are super stoked for it, the majority of you,
Speaker 1: taking the temperature gauge of the discord over the last
Speaker 1: few days, are not as stoked for it, and the
Speaker 1: overall vibe seems to be Ah, Look, I'll check it
Speaker 1: out because fuck it, it's free, while why not. I'll
Speaker 1: give it a go, but I'm doing so with a
Speaker 1: lot of trepidation. You know, people aren't sort of taking
Speaker 1: it as seriously as they might have with Epoch, and
Speaker 1: they're a bit more dubious of how this server will
Speaker 1: play out in look and feel, and you know whether
Speaker 1: or not it'll really scratched that classic itch like Epoch?
Speaker 1: Did I feel the exact same way where Look, I'm lucky, guys.
Speaker 1: I'm a full time university student these days. For those
Speaker 1: of you who don't know, I've walked away from practicing law.
Speaker 1: I'm going off to become a teacher, but I've got to,
Speaker 1: you know, get my qualification up. So I'm full time
Speaker 1: at UNI these days. So I've got all the time
Speaker 1: in the world. You guys might remember what it was
Speaker 1: like being a university student and you just had all
Speaker 1: the time in the world to, you know, in between classes,
Speaker 1: to do whatever. So I've got the time to play
Speaker 1: two servers. So it's not really any skin off my back. However,
Speaker 1: let me just get rid of my cat one second. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: the cat was making weird, annoying eating noises in the
Speaker 1: background there. So I have the time for two servers.
Speaker 1: But if you don't have the time for two servers,
Speaker 1: don't freak out about Oh my god, Josh, I just
Speaker 1: invested all this time in Epoch. Does this mean you know,
Speaker 1: we're leaving Epoch and moving on to Bronze Beard. No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really mean that. Like I said, the majority
Speaker 1: of people are not that super duper interested. However, you know,
Speaker 1: if you do have the time to check it out,
Speaker 1: I would encourage you to do so, just because I
Speaker 1: think it's good to see people taking a similar mindset
Speaker 1: to me where they're like, the more we play of
Speaker 1: these supposed Classic Plus servers, the more we're seeing of
Speaker 1: what works and what doesn't work, and the better equipped
Speaker 1: we are to provide feedback, you know, for whatever Blizzard
Speaker 1: might be cooking up next. If Blizzard does want to
Speaker 1: make some kind of amazing server that sweeps us off
Speaker 1: all our sweeps or sweeps all of us off of
Speaker 1: our feet, then we need to sort of know what's up,
Speaker 1: and we need to have been there in the trenches
Speaker 1: experiencing stuff that is really good and that is definitely
Speaker 1: really shit and should not be in the game. And
Speaker 1: you know, just treat all of these as like betas
Speaker 1: or just you know, you know, thought tanks or whatever
Speaker 1: for what will come with Official, because you know, I
Speaker 1: think we all will try Official as well when it
Speaker 1: comes out. You know, it's one of those things where
Speaker 1: it's I'll pay for a month again when it comes
Speaker 1: out and subscribe and be like, all right, Blizzard, now's
Speaker 1: your fucking time. You've had a year and a half
Speaker 1: to cook. You've been able to borrow ideas from Ascension,
Speaker 1: from Project Epoch, you know, let's see what you've got
Speaker 1: with your own original ideas as well. And it will
Speaker 1: just come down to a put up or shut up
Speaker 1: moment where they've either either nailed it or not. But
Speaker 1: before we get there, yeah, I just want to know
Speaker 1: basically as much as I can about different people's takes
Speaker 1: on Classic Plus. So I will check out Bronze Beard,
Speaker 1: but I'm look, I might not be playing it in
Speaker 1: a week or two. Who knows. If I dive into
Speaker 1: this thing and it's really like, oh fuck, this really
Speaker 1: feels like a version of the game that I don't like. Look,
Speaker 1: it's got things that I have really wanted, which are
Speaker 1: heresy to some people. I've been like, I would love
Speaker 1: to see a Mythic Plus style system in a vanilla world.
Speaker 1: Well they've got that and a lot of that, and
Speaker 1: I understand that that's horses for courses. Some of you
Speaker 1: listening would be like mythic plus, what the fuck go away,
Speaker 1: you retail loser, Like, that's just that's fine. That's something
Speaker 1: that I would like that I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people won't like. It's got a lot like talk about
Speaker 1: the SOD ruins on drugs, It's got a million different
Speaker 1: ruins out there via this mystic enchant system that you
Speaker 1: can do to change the gameplay style of every class.
Speaker 1: So if SOD was too much for you, my god,
Speaker 1: this server will not be for you, because it really
Speaker 1: is an extension of that ruin system in terms of,
Speaker 1: like you know, there's bloody fifty ruins you can go
Speaker 1: out in there and get for all of these classes,
Speaker 1: if not more, you know, just I'll post everything in
Speaker 1: the discord if you're intrigued. I'm going to post screenshots
Speaker 1: of all of the things that you can get for
Speaker 1: every class that you find out in the world or
Speaker 1: whatever that change the way your class operates. So go
Speaker 1: and have a look at that out of interest. But
Speaker 1: I want you to think of this less of a
Speaker 1: plug and more of a shout out to all of
Speaker 1: our Countdown people playing on Epoch. Look, we're still sitting
Speaker 1: here waiting for a roadmap, and Epoch will need to
Speaker 1: get off you Knowcension will need to get off their
Speaker 1: asses and give Epoch a roadmap in you know, the
Speaker 1: next few weeks. Like it's it's starting to make people
Speaker 1: very itchy, there is, once you've gotten to sixty. There's
Speaker 1: not a bunch to do on Epoch right now outside
Speaker 1: of battlegrounds or getting a little bit of you know,
Speaker 1: previous Like we just we don't know when the next
Speaker 1: bit of content is coming. We need to know when
Speaker 1: we're raiding and Countdown will be ready to raid when
Speaker 1: that announcement comes. We've got twenty five sixties now we've
Speaker 1: got twenty five more not that far off, so we
Speaker 1: could arguably have two raid teams. It's just going to
Speaker 1: be a matter of when this thing gets announced in
Speaker 1: what's happening. So I'm chilling for now, but I am
Speaker 1: aware that, like I say in this podcast, like they've
Speaker 1: got to get off there are in the next few
Speaker 1: weeks and announce something or you know, people are going
Speaker 1: to get very very antsy. So what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: say is go have fun, keep leveling an Epoch. We
Speaker 1: will be doing the content there. But if you've already
Speaker 1: hit sixty and you're sort of not doing too much,
Speaker 1: then feel free to check out this server. I'll roll hoard.
Speaker 1: It's again. It's same rules apply, cross faction guilds, cross
Speaker 1: faction grouping as far as I know, So roll whatever
Speaker 1: you want. I'll roll hoard. We'll try and get a
Speaker 1: few of us together over there. But do not read
Speaker 1: this as ditch Epoch for Bronze Band. It's not the case. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I just can't stress that enough. I felt the
Speaker 1: need to speak to you at the top of this
Speaker 1: episode to say all of this in what is now
Speaker 1: quite a long rance. I apologize, guys, but you know,
Speaker 1: if you've got the time, check it out. If not,
Speaker 1: don't worry. You're probably not missing out on anything that
Speaker 1: would have floated your boat anyway, if I know what
Speaker 1: the majority of you are like. But we shall say anyway, guys,
Speaker 1: With all that said, let's get into the episode and
Speaker 1: i'll talk to you at the end. Thanks everyone. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're back with another countdown to Classic. And I
Speaker 1: slept in this morning. I've actually been sleeping in a
Speaker 1: bit lately, and I woke up at just past eight
Speaker 1: o'clock and I thought, oh fuck, it's it's podcast time.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and my amazing wife had made me
Speaker 1: breakfast in bed and sat there and had my coffee
Speaker 1: and my eggs and my bacon, and I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: that's okay. You know, everyone will have forgotten about the podcast.
Speaker 1: I'll take my time getting to it. And so I
Speaker 1: finally get around to it just after, you know, about
Speaker 1: nine point thirty, and there's fucking twenty people sitting in
Speaker 1: general voice Chat waiting for me to turn up. And
Speaker 1: then I rock up and it's like norm like I'm
Speaker 1: touched and shocked as well to see all of you
Speaker 1: sitting here waiting for the podcast to start. So thank
Speaker 1: you very much. Guys will rip straight into it and
Speaker 1: another week in Epoch and another week's worth of stories
Speaker 1: to tell and things to discuss. So I think there's
Speaker 1: actually plenty to discuss this week outside of the stories
Speaker 1: that you guys will bring to the table. I think
Speaker 1: it is time to start sort of talking about more
Speaker 1: about the gearing of characters, how you're feeling about your
Speaker 1: class at sixty, And also we will start to touch
Speaker 1: on Epoch now, you know, trying to build a team,
Speaker 1: whether they're struggling to build a team, or not, and
Speaker 1: the you know, roadmap and where everything is going when
Speaker 1: we're a bit in the dark on all that. I
Speaker 1: reached out to Dutch just half an hour ago and said, hey, mate,
Speaker 1: I run a podcast. I've been covering this server a lot.
Speaker 1: You know, we'd love to get you or someone who's
Speaker 1: involved in Epoch on the show. So let me know.
Speaker 1: We'll see if he actually gets back to me, because
Speaker 1: I think that we are approaching that time. You know,
Speaker 1: while I've been saying on the show that I've been
Speaker 1: having a blast and I haven't been personally that frustrated
Speaker 1: by anything, there is obviously a line in the sand
Speaker 1: where if you know, a few more weeks or what
Speaker 1: have you go by and we are for I have
Speaker 1: no doubt we're going to hear something. But if, for example,
Speaker 1: you know, fucking like six more weeks go by and
Speaker 1: we haven't heard a peep out of these guys, then
Speaker 1: it's very fair to go like, what is going on?
Speaker 1: But guys, I'll say gooday to everyone. There's a bit
Speaker 1: literally about twenty of us here. I'll start with you
Speaker 1: ubiquitous as per usual, and just say goody made house
Speaker 1: things been this past week? Mate? Fucking uh, I seem
Speaker 1: to remember you. You're a bloke I used to play
Speaker 1: Epoch with. How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good. I've been very busy.
Speaker 3: I apologize to everyone that I haven't played all fucking week.
Speaker 3: Bad bad guild master, terrible performance.
Speaker 1: Fucking daddy went for cigarettes and never came back.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now I've planned to play a fair bit today before
Speaker 3: and after my social event that's on, and uh yeah,
Speaker 3: play a bit more tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Very good, now, you you said to me. And I
Speaker 1: don't blame you for this, he sort of said, because
Speaker 1: I reckon. There's a few, not all, but a few
Speaker 1: people feeling like this. Where you go, all right, I've
Speaker 1: got the Mage to sixty, but like you know, while
Speaker 1: I'm playing a mage, I wasn't that invested in the
Speaker 1: mage lifestyle. So I'll happily go straight to leveling and olt.
Speaker 1: Is that pretty much what you've done?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the player base is a bit trim when
Speaker 3: I have been getting on at like eight pm OCEE time,
Speaker 3: so there's it's pretty hard to find a scholar or
Speaker 3: a stress so it's just good to play an old
Speaker 3: But I'll do dungeon runs in weekend morning time now
Speaker 3: when there's lots of guilties on it.
Speaker 1: If anything, I would say that the Guild has become
Speaker 1: more important than ever because it's so wonderful to still,
Speaker 1: you know, log on and see anywhere between twenty to
Speaker 1: thirty five forty people online sometimes and people are still
Speaker 1: trying to piece together dungeon runs within the guild, which
Speaker 1: is fantastic because I'll freely admit, you know, I've been
Speaker 1: logging on again at like you know, primetime OCEE in
Speaker 1: the evening, like you say, about seven, eight pm onwards
Speaker 1: until about ten pm, and it's you know, in leveling
Speaker 1: an alt. Now there's a variety of reasons for this happening,
Speaker 1: you know. Obviously you could say that the majority of
Speaker 1: people are just taking their time working one character to
Speaker 1: sixty or the sixties of level to sixty, and now
Speaker 1: they've logged off waiting for a raid to come out.
Speaker 1: Or also the server population is going down as people
Speaker 1: drop out due to a variety of reasons, whether it
Speaker 1: be a lack of information or you know, they just
Speaker 1: don't want to do the one to sixty journey after all,
Speaker 1: or they were tourists or whatever it might be. The
Speaker 1: server population is stabilizing and that number is coming down
Speaker 1: like a fair bit. It's like, you know, long gone
Speaker 1: of the days of oh my god, there's fifty thousand
Speaker 1: people playing this fucking server. No, no, no, like we've
Speaker 1: been saying, there seems to be about like you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, we said fifteen thousand. Maybe now it's
Speaker 1: come down to ten thousand. Who knows. But I've seen few,
Speaker 1: far fewer people leveling alts, at least like my characters.
Speaker 1: I've leveled three characters to twenty over the last ten days.
Speaker 1: I've got a pallet and a shaman and a priest
Speaker 1: now at twenty. And you know, when it comes time
Speaker 1: to look for that dead minds or whaling cabins run
Speaker 1: around twenty. Oof. It's like it's it's rough finding tanks.
Speaker 1: But also like I'm just not seeing that many people
Speaker 1: along the leveling journey anymore. And I'm not that fussed
Speaker 1: by it because, like I say, I really think with
Speaker 1: the time investment it takes to get one character to sixty,
Speaker 1: everyone is in their thirties, forties, fifties still trying to
Speaker 1: get to sixty. So I'm like, oh, the Barons is
Speaker 1: a ghost town, this is a dead server. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't fucking bother me, but it is noticeable that
Speaker 1: I'm not passing that many people through the barons over
Speaker 1: the last week. But that's why putting stuff together with
Speaker 1: the guild has been really cool, because we're still a
Speaker 1: large guild and we can still do content together, and
Speaker 1: I've done a shitload of sixty dungeons with the guys
Speaker 1: that i'll talk about in this episode over the last week.
Speaker 1: I really want to discuss what's going on what they've
Speaker 1: done on this server to LBRs ubrs scholar and everything,
Speaker 1: because it just continues to wow me, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: we can sit here and you can You've got a
Speaker 1: choice here. Do you want to dunk on the server
Speaker 1: because it's doing the natural progression of WOW servers where
Speaker 1: the number goes down after launch, particularly for private servers,
Speaker 1: or do we sit there and talk about the content
Speaker 1: that we're doing, which I still think is a glowing
Speaker 1: positive outside of bugs and whatnot that are still very
Speaker 1: evident and not getting fixed as quickly as we'd like.
Speaker 1: The actual content of this server is fucking amazing. And
Speaker 1: I just read another post on the subreddit today from
Speaker 1: a guy doing a really good comparison between Turtle Wow
Speaker 1: and Epoch, and he just summarized it so well talking
Speaker 1: about the difference in feel between this and Tee Wow,
Speaker 1: and I agreed with everything he said. Where it's it's like,
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, Epoch runs circles around te
Speaker 1: Wow in saying that there's still, you know, a crowd
Speaker 1: for te Wow and a crowd for Epoch. And if
Speaker 1: you like either one, you're not wrong, but they're very
Speaker 1: different in feel, and you will gravitate. You will generally
Speaker 1: gravitate towards one or the other. I find myself very
Speaker 1: much so being pulled more to the way that Epoch
Speaker 1: has approached things as opposed to Tee Wow, because they
Speaker 1: really highlighted the difference in difficulty and they were like
Speaker 1: Tee Wow dungeons, Yeah, okay, they put in like a
Speaker 1: new boss here and there, but like the dungeons are
Speaker 1: a fucking pushover. They're like, it's very classic in feel
Speaker 1: in terms of you walk in and one shot everything.
Speaker 1: There's no mechanics. It's just like a fucking snoof snooze fest.
Speaker 1: Healers have nothing to do. The tank just stands there
Speaker 1: in tanks and spanks and you guys burned the boss down.
Speaker 1: And that's evident in every fucking dungeon, even the new ones,
Speaker 1: whereas in Epoch the difficulty feels like spot on in
Speaker 1: terms of this is engaging, This is making players wake
Speaker 1: up and feel like they've got a little bit of
Speaker 1: a challenge on their hands. And my god, have I
Speaker 1: felt that in the dungeons. And I don't feel that
Speaker 1: they've gone too far with the difficulty. But for me, look,
Speaker 1: the argument is there whether or not it's PUG friendly
Speaker 1: or not, But for me and the guild, I think
Speaker 1: it's been fucking perfect. I actually did my first PUG
Speaker 1: last my first PUG last night, whether you call it
Speaker 1: a PUG when there's one guilty in the group, did
Speaker 1: a Barretton hold, which gigant or and like, we're literally
Speaker 1: perfectly fine, no problems whatsoever. You know, the one fuck
Speaker 1: up of the dungeon was mine when I pressed fucking
Speaker 1: enslaved demon or whatever for the first time in my
Speaker 1: life and got one shot by a pack of imps
Speaker 1: in an infernal But you know, I worked it all
Speaker 1: out and it was all good. But anyway, I'm ranting
Speaker 1: GUV back to you, mate, what I just want to
Speaker 1: get you you to kick us off, and maybe we
Speaker 1: can keep talking about this when you go on this
Speaker 1: difficulty note mate, from your runs through the sixty dungeons,
Speaker 1: how do you feel now with more experience under your
Speaker 1: belt about the difficulty of Epoch.
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty much exactly what I would have liked.
Speaker 2: I liked it.
Speaker 3: There's a learning curve to things, like once you the
Speaker 3: first run you do it. If there's no one in
Speaker 3: your party that knows anything, it can be a little difficult,
Speaker 3: and then you're finding out like, oh fuck, we need
Speaker 3: to do things.
Speaker 2: Like A good example for us is.
Speaker 3: Just the the Gauntlet of Abominations in Strathon Dead. We're
Speaker 3: doing that with Las and then because he's used to
Speaker 3: classic where they kind of come to you so slowly
Speaker 3: and they're so easy to kill, you run out of
Speaker 3: the gate and go and fight them all. So he
Speaker 3: went and did that and we promptly got our asses kick.
Speaker 3: So then when we went back, I reminded him like, oh,
Speaker 3: just were staying here. They come to us and we'll
Speaker 3: just be killing one as they arrive, and it was
Speaker 3: kind of nice, like just those little tweaks. It's kind
Speaker 3: of nice to have that you know, that lesson to
Speaker 3: be learned, and then but once you know things, or
Speaker 3: if there's just someone that knows the dungeon, well it's
Speaker 3: it is still easy, kind of like now that you
Speaker 3: know Upper black Rock Spire, it's pretty straightforward. But it's
Speaker 3: just fun to learn it in the way that it
Speaker 3: is and that there is a thing to do instead
Speaker 3: of it just being tank kill boss and off you go.
Speaker 3: So I think they're pretty much exactly what I would
Speaker 3: ask for in a level sixty.
Speaker 1: Five man, uh, lads, are you here? I think I
Speaker 1: saw you here?
Speaker 5: Mate?
Speaker 1: Can I get you to catch the pass from UBI
Speaker 1: and keep running on with it and talking about what
Speaker 1: you think as a tank of the difficulty?
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, since he's here, I like to
Speaker 6: take him the kangaroo court real quick.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, do it? Do it while he's here.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I wanted to find himself. So when we started that dungeon,
Speaker 6: I was like, hey, he's been there before and I hadn't.
Speaker 6: And I was like, heys, Davan mccanics, nob please let
Speaker 6: me know. Oh you got it, make no problem.
Speaker 5: So we go.
Speaker 6: We go into the A bombs silence right, and then
Speaker 6: I pull one, and I'm like, well, usually you have to,
Speaker 6: you know, for not to be born, you got to
Speaker 6: pull at least like three or four. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 6: I pulled them. After we wipe, it's like, hey, like
Speaker 6: just so you know, you probably should have gone one
Speaker 6: at a time. I was like, thanks, that's really helpful.
Speaker 6: Now that we're all dead, appreciate it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but I think mistaken that was the cursed
Speaker 3: run of horrors that it was. At that point, I
Speaker 3: had no soul left. I wasn't even consciously aware that
Speaker 3: I was still playing the game.
Speaker 6: It was so bad you quit well for a week.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, is that the run? Is
Speaker 1: that the run that caused you to stop for a week?
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that wasn't the reason. But it's a fucking
Speaker 3: good coincidence.
Speaker 1: Very good, very good. All right, but lad, Yeah, on
Speaker 1: a serious note, how do you feel about how these
Speaker 1: mobs and bosses are punching you guys and your party
Speaker 1: in the dick?
Speaker 6: Perfect Just guess I think they are difficult, but they
Speaker 6: are fair. There's nothing there's nothing about the encounters for
Speaker 6: the most part, you know, other than not black considered bugs.
Speaker 6: I'm my counters that it's too completely fair, and I
Speaker 6: think what makes it they've hit horrible. I think what
Speaker 6: makes up for it the sort of a really fun
Speaker 6: they done is fun for me is that CEC is
Speaker 6: both needed more but they also encourage it more so.
Speaker 6: Mobs and Villa would have been immune to sec. These
Speaker 6: mobs and some bosses you can seec. So I think
Speaker 6: it it just makes it more fun for people to
Speaker 6: be able to push their buttons.
Speaker 1: I completely agree that there was a random moment. It
Speaker 1: creates random moments of skill expression. Sorry, just to butt
Speaker 1: in on this one lads and get you if you've
Speaker 1: noticed this one like I in this barreton Hold that
Speaker 1: I mentioned I did with Giganta last night just before
Speaker 1: we started the Naga boss which you know, barreton Hold
Speaker 1: is easily, in my opinion, the easiest level sixty dungeon.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys agree or dise disagree
Speaker 1: on that one, but it is. It's a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's not a snoozefest by any means, because the the
Speaker 1: trash is harder than the bosses, but the bosses are
Speaker 1: still engaging, which is great. They're just relatively simple in
Speaker 1: terms of they they their mechanics are cool, but they
Speaker 1: go down quickly, if that makes sense, just like fucking
Speaker 1: Ubi's mom. Heyo. Anyway, what I was gonna say was
Speaker 1: the Naga boss uh does has it got him? Has
Speaker 1: a mechanic towards the end where he moves to the
Speaker 1: middle of the room and he does a certain thing,
Speaker 1: And just before we start the encounter, the tank turns
Speaker 1: to me and says, hello, mister Warlock, can you please
Speaker 1: death coil the boss when it starts to move towards
Speaker 1: the middle of the room towards the end of the encounter,
Speaker 1: And I go, huh, yeah, sure, I'll give it a go.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, if he's telling me it must work,
Speaker 1: I'm like a little bit shocked that I could death
Speaker 1: cooil a boss. I've never again, I've never played Warlock before. Guys,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a thing you could
Speaker 1: do before, but it's all news to me. And so
Speaker 1: the boss moves in at twenty five percent or whatever
Speaker 1: to do their big fucking butterboom move that everyone's got
Speaker 1: to be aware of, and I just hit my fucking
Speaker 1: death coil and he runs away in fear from the
Speaker 1: middle of the room and doesn't do the macare really
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Wow, that's fucking really cool, Like who
Speaker 1: would have thought it was? Just I really enjoyed little
Speaker 1: things like that. Have you have you seen anything like that,
Speaker 1: lads or anyone else?
Speaker 6: Pretty much every every ansceince there's been cool things like that.
Speaker 1: Someone else is going to jump in there, Nope, I'm
Speaker 1: going crazy or good guys, we're going to get expansive.
Speaker 1: We're at the pub. There's twenty of us in the room.
Speaker 1: Please don't be shy. I want to hear from all
Speaker 1: of you who happened to have started doing dungeons from
Speaker 1: brd up. Let me know what do you think of
Speaker 1: the difficulty? Is it, you know, Goldilocks test? Is it
Speaker 1: fucking too hot? Too cold? Or just right?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 7: I guess.
Speaker 1: Ma, thank you AXL save me?
Speaker 8: Is that Goldilocks? Is that Goldilocks difficulty? In my opinion,
Speaker 8: I know it's the easiest one, but I guess I've
Speaker 8: been kind of saying I think a lot of the
Speaker 8: shit's overtuned, and which is why I think the Buried
Speaker 8: and whole one is fantastic. Like the last Boss will
Speaker 8: fuck you up if you do not know how to
Speaker 8: interact with his mechanics if you're not turning him away
Speaker 8: and whatnot, Like it was not necessarily a cake walk, right,
Speaker 8: he spawns ads. There's a whole lot of shit. Right,
Speaker 8: there's a lot of things that can go wrong. But
Speaker 8: to me, that's about the right difficulty.
Speaker 2: And a lot of.
Speaker 8: The bosses and burried and hold like at least my
Speaker 8: I've only done it twice. The first time through, I
Speaker 8: can wipe on at least like three bosses, and that's
Speaker 8: great because there was a learning experience.
Speaker 2: But second time.
Speaker 8: Through a little bit smoother, which is what I think
Speaker 8: you should happen, you know, like you still have to.
Speaker 8: I don't know if we've got lads, you can remind
Speaker 8: me if we got the last boss on the first
Speaker 8: try in our second one or I think you die
Speaker 8: and then I took Agro and then he reset, so
Speaker 8: I don't know how that counts, but I remember, you know,
Speaker 8: I think a lot of the sixty content is overtuned,
Speaker 8: though I would know.
Speaker 6: You know, I was bitching.
Speaker 8: About one of the bosses in BRD and we did
Speaker 8: it the other day and I think they fixed it
Speaker 8: because that constant pulsing AOI damage was just it was
Speaker 8: still present, but it was so diminished in comparison when
Speaker 8: we first went in.
Speaker 1: Oh really, it's noticeably had something done to it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it might be that we're all sixty now and
Speaker 8: like two of our dps have like constant shields from
Speaker 8: a new in chant.
Speaker 2: That's like fucking busted.
Speaker 8: But I also was looking at my own health, and
Speaker 8: my own health was dropping in a much lower rate.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, Les, like,
Speaker 1: is it have they fixed it? Or is it have
Speaker 1: you guys just gotten more powerful?
Speaker 6: I think they fixed it because the en chance is
Speaker 6: not going to fix it. Uh, that chance is not
Speaker 6: going to affect magic damage just pulsing, Well, it's it's.
Speaker 8: Just a it's just a damnaged shield, right, It's like
Speaker 8: if you shield with a priest.
Speaker 6: Yeah, fair enough. I wasn't.
Speaker 8: But my own health, you know, I never had that shield.
Speaker 8: My own health was going down at a much lower rate.
Speaker 8: My gear isn't all that different. I just have a
Speaker 8: few more levels.
Speaker 1: So so is it still there? Is it still pulsing
Speaker 1: and keeping the shield up for the whole lost seventy
Speaker 1: of the fine?
Speaker 2: You know, we just fucking targeted the guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it stays up. It stays up the whole time.
Speaker 6: It seems that outputs left.
Speaker 1: It's silly.
Speaker 9: It does work correctly. Now if you kill the mobs
Speaker 9: that spawn, the shield goes down.
Speaker 2: I mean I haven't.
Speaker 6: I haven't done it in a while, about week.
Speaker 2: We did it like two days ago.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but we just used mainly DP to focus on right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we just kind of choosed it and didn't bother
Speaker 8: with the mechanics.
Speaker 1: So if I can ask, if I can ask, Axel,
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you still feel a couple of the
Speaker 1: encounters are overtuned. I've got a funny idea that I
Speaker 1: might know which ones are you talking about, But let
Speaker 1: me know which one specifically you think is still a
Speaker 1: bit crazy.
Speaker 8: I mean, I guess it has been a bit smoother
Speaker 8: and as we've gotten better at it, would say, bearing
Speaker 8: in undead Strath still feels maybe a little overturned. It's
Speaker 8: it's super doable, and maybe it's maybe it's fine because
Speaker 8: they don't I can't recall if we have wiped on
Speaker 8: them on our last attempt or not. But it's like
Speaker 8: I feel like, once you understand the mechanics, you shouldn't
Speaker 8: really keep wiping like it shouldn't be an rang thing.
Speaker 1: Well that that's sort of the I'll just interrupted that
Speaker 1: stage sorry and say I haven't done a sorry a
Speaker 1: strath at all, whether it be alive or undead, So
Speaker 1: I can't comments on that, but I do want to
Speaker 1: go down the rabbit hole of again when we're talking difficulty,
Speaker 1: are we talking difficulty even once you know the fight,
Speaker 1: or the difficulty is before you know the fight, then
Speaker 1: once you work it out, it's actually not that bad.
Speaker 2: I would say.
Speaker 8: The other we've done a number of Ubers runs is
Speaker 8: probably the dungeon we've done the most, and it's the
Speaker 8: most difficult dungeon of all the content that exists.
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't want to like it. There
Speaker 2: should be something.
Speaker 8: That is the most difficult content, like the Beast is
Speaker 8: Still it just feels like a fucking crapshoot every time.
Speaker 1: Well this at this point, let me sorry. I'm going
Speaker 1: to keep jumping in and latching onto small tangents. I
Speaker 1: love Ubrs in this version of the game. I think
Speaker 1: it is I think it is just fucking really really
Speaker 1: cool what they've done with it, turning it into a
Speaker 1: five man dungeon, increasing the difficulty tweaking encounters like for example,
Speaker 1: the uh Rand encounter or whatever is like significantly quicker now,
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, the Beast and I think
Speaker 1: it's general drack at the end or whatever are quite
Speaker 1: difficulty en counters. But having said that.
Speaker 2: My like general draft, yeah, right, okay, it's a.
Speaker 8: It's a mechanics fight now, right, Like it's still tough.
Speaker 8: There is certain elements of rang that can be a
Speaker 8: little tough, but it you know, we had that that
Speaker 8: group the other day where we have the two dps
Speaker 8: that weren't quite well.
Speaker 2: I don't know, one of.
Speaker 8: The dvs was probably fine, but the other one.
Speaker 2: Was kept sucking up, and then we.
Speaker 8: Got you and Voodoo in and even though Voodoo died
Speaker 8: right away, like we didn't have too bad at the time.
Speaker 1: I'll tell the story, but like basically you're right that
Speaker 1: that that's something I wanted to get through. But just
Speaker 1: on the base first, like I had not done the Beast,
Speaker 1: I'd not done an Ubers really until I helped fill
Speaker 1: in with that run with Voodoo that you're talking about,
Speaker 1: and then we did before one after that. But basically
Speaker 1: i'd heard you guys say the Beast was fucking out
Speaker 1: of control. It's easily the hardest encounter in the game
Speaker 1: right now. It just punishes Malay, you know, all that
Speaker 1: jazz and when I eventually went in and did it
Speaker 1: having heard that from you guys, Look, I want to
Speaker 1: hear from you whether or not this is a group
Speaker 1: composition thing or what have you, or or it's a
Speaker 1: healer thing or whatever it is. But we had, we
Speaker 1: did a run las with you me. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to help me. Remember who was there? Smite was our healer.
Speaker 1: I think I think Axel was there, Dpsing, I can't remember.
Speaker 2: Now I had I had to bail after a.
Speaker 1: Conf that's camp think so, because what I was going
Speaker 1: to say is we fucking breezed through the beast. And
Speaker 1: I literally turned to you lads afterwards and I said,
Speaker 1: that was it. That's the encounter that you guys said
Speaker 1: was the hardest in the game.
Speaker 6: It's particularly difficult for shamans to heal just the way
Speaker 6: the toolkit works, right Yeah, I mean I've had I've
Speaker 6: had like very undergared, very undergared. Holy palleis, keep me
Speaker 6: up just fine and the group up just fine. Priests
Speaker 6: knock out of the park. Drew is knocking out of
Speaker 6: the park. It's easy for them. It's just kind of
Speaker 6: the way. There are other fights that are harder for
Speaker 6: you know, those healers, and it's just a way just
Speaker 6: they run out of manner and it's just people aren't
Speaker 6: grouped up, like for shop, if everyone's grouped up for
Speaker 6: the chain held females work, it's just but on that
Speaker 6: fight you have to spread out and avoid the the
Speaker 6: fireballs are coming in. So it's just it's just uniquely
Speaker 6: difficult for.
Speaker 1: If we want to if we want to take this
Speaker 1: opportunity to Kangaroo Court Axel for daring to play rest
Speaker 1: o Shaman, and I'm all for it, even though he's
Speaker 1: really in Elie Sharman.
Speaker 6: Shaman's a really power powerful a lot of situations.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I have one of them. Yeah yeah, So
Speaker 1: I haven't lived the rest o shaman life on the
Speaker 1: Beast yet, so maybe I'll get to see it one
Speaker 1: day and see the difference. But like that, that run
Speaker 1: with Smite as our priest healer was the run because
Speaker 1: I've been you know, hemming and worring about what healer
Speaker 1: do I want to play, And you guys know, I
Speaker 1: initially said that's it. I'm finally going to play a
Speaker 1: Holy Paladin. I've never really done it before. And then
Speaker 1: I started doing it. It was the most the most
Speaker 1: boring experience of my life. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: continue to always give Holy Paladins a chance. They are
Speaker 1: the speck that continues to clown me for years in
Speaker 1: World of Warcraft. It is never fun to me. I
Speaker 1: fucking hate it. I don't understand how Holy Paladins enjoy
Speaker 1: this game. You're all a bunch of fucking widows as
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned now. But then I tried Shaman
Speaker 1: and I was like, yep, Sharman's going to be the
Speaker 1: healer for me. They're so active. I can drop totems,
Speaker 1: i can interrupt things. I can just be that active healer.
Speaker 1: And then you know, the guys were sort of like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how much manner you're really
Speaker 1: going to have to be as active as you want
Speaker 1: to be. Josh. And while I was basically leveling the Shaman,
Speaker 1: I did this run a UBRS with Smite as the
Speaker 1: priest Healer, and I was watching him and it's it's
Speaker 1: not a power thing. It's a buttons and activity thing,
Speaker 1: and toolkit thing where I was just going like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like this guy's all over this, like he's pressing different buttons,
Speaker 1: he's he's pomming, he's shielding, he's greater healing, he's prayer
Speaker 1: of healing. I'm into this, and he like snoozed to
Speaker 1: a certain you know degree through that uberrs as the Healer,
Speaker 1: Like he was just fucking so so good, and I
Speaker 1: was like, that's it. I'm rolling a priest. So I
Speaker 1: got the Pallid to twenty, the Shaman to twenty. I
Speaker 1: spent an hour and a half on my fucking water
Speaker 1: totem quest, got it, and then logged off and retired
Speaker 1: the character and rolled the Priest. And now the Priest
Speaker 1: is twenty, so that that will be what I work
Speaker 1: on next. But I digress because I come back to
Speaker 1: the boss difficulty and just again throw it out to
Speaker 1: the room and say so after the Beast, we get
Speaker 1: to General Drac and Ubiquitous has had to bounce from
Speaker 1: the chat, but he's told me the General Drack is
Speaker 1: easily his favorite fight in the game right now, with
Speaker 1: you know, all these fights being brand new, and I agree,
Speaker 1: I think it's phenomenal. But the whole time we were
Speaker 1: doing it. So sorry, I'm telling an extended story here,
Speaker 1: but I'll go back to revive the point that Axel
Speaker 1: was making before, where Axel Laz the guys were in
Speaker 1: a UBRS that was just turning into the run from
Speaker 1: Hell because they could not kill the last boss. I
Speaker 1: started watching them on discord. They had a rogan a
Speaker 1: hunter with them who would not stop dying to the MCA.
Speaker 1: They you know, they're screaming at these guys like, please
Speaker 1: stop standing in front of the boss. He fucking cleaves
Speaker 1: and will virtually one shot you. Rogue could not get
Speaker 1: it in his head, kept dying within the first fiften
Speaker 1: seconds of the fight. You know, I eventually go, guys,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like that asshole, but punt
Speaker 1: these guys like you that At this stage, they had
Speaker 1: wiped like five times, and it was very seven. It
Speaker 1: was very clear they were not killing this boss with
Speaker 1: these guys, and I said, I really think you've given
Speaker 1: them enough off opportunities at this point that it's not
Speaker 1: really that rude to just say, you know what, guys,
Speaker 1: we're calling it here. And one of them actually said
Speaker 1: I'm calling it here, and you guys said yes, let's
Speaker 1: call it here. And I said, yeah, fine, that was me.
Speaker 6: I said, I'm calling it. Yeah. They both freaked out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well no one of one of them. One of
Speaker 1: them said I agree. One of them said I'm out too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 10: So anyway, okay, so anyway going crazy?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah. The Hunter wanted the lockout right, He wanted
Speaker 8: the dungeon idea.
Speaker 1: So I said to you, just get rid of these guys,
Speaker 1: bring Voodoo and me in and we will finish this
Speaker 1: thing straight away. And you sort of just said to
Speaker 1: these guys, yeah, guys, we're going to stop here. The
Speaker 1: rogue wouldn't leave groups, so you just uninvited him and
Speaker 1: we walked into the dungeon in front of him. He
Speaker 1: wasn't very happy. He started calling you guys bad. Once
Speaker 1: he realized what was going on. When he started having
Speaker 1: a go at you, I got, you know, happily a
Speaker 1: little bit toxic and started flaming him, going, mate, I
Speaker 1: just watched the last four wipes on fucking Discord, trust me,
Speaker 1: you are the problem. He didn't appreciate that. Fuck him,
Speaker 1: I don't care. And so Voodoo and I come in
Speaker 1: and I had not seen the fight in terms of
Speaker 1: like playing it we did one run, saw the mechanics,
Speaker 1: I got it. I think I fucked I know it
Speaker 1: was the next one I fucked up on, but anyway,
Speaker 1: we killed it on the second try. After it's voodoo
Speaker 1: and I watched the mechanics. The first one we wiped
Speaker 1: anked or whatever or ran back, I can't remember, and
Speaker 1: then we got it down in the second attempt. No dramas,
Speaker 1: no mass, no fast easy game. Once you get it,
Speaker 1: you get it. And I think it is a fucking
Speaker 1: fun encounter and a very It is a hard encounter
Speaker 1: when you don't know what's happening for pugs who just
Speaker 1: walk in thinking, oh wow, classic tank and spank, this
Speaker 1: fight will ruin them. And it's a fair conversation now,
Speaker 1: I think you know to Vestige, who might be saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: and Vestige, you're here, aren't you. I would love to
Speaker 1: know your thoughts on this encounter, whether or not this
Speaker 1: breaches your pug friendliness sort of, you know, checklist or not.
Speaker 10: Well, I haven't done UBRS yet. I just hit sixty
Speaker 10: two days ago, so I can't really comment on that.
Speaker 10: As for the difficulty in general, it does feel a
Speaker 10: little high than I would probably say. I do enjoy
Speaker 10: it though personally I do enjoy the higher difficulty, but like,
Speaker 10: I'm right now in a lower black rock spiral and
Speaker 10: it's a little bit rough right now.
Speaker 1: You're in a low black rock spiral. Is that you're
Speaker 1: getting your ass cakes that much.
Speaker 10: This group? I am very much getting my butt kicked,
Speaker 10: all right, But that's just the nature of kind of
Speaker 10: what these things are. But I do wish I do.
Speaker 10: I do personally like the higher difficulty and everything, but
Speaker 10: I can understand why it's not as appealing to the
Speaker 10: mass and trying to get more people into play this
Speaker 10: thing when it's like, Okay, you can go into a
Speaker 10: hug and you're just gonna be rough. It's gonna be
Speaker 10: extremely rough, and nobody wants to go into that thinking like, man,
Speaker 10: I gotta set aside two to three hours for this,
Speaker 10: because I don't know are these guys good now? Are
Speaker 10: they you know, how good is it's going to be.
Speaker 1: To be clean?
Speaker 10: Or are we gonna just wipe, wipe, wipe, wipe. I
Speaker 10: don't have time for that, so I can see how
Speaker 10: that can be very frustrated. It's and that's why some
Speaker 10: people want to run exclusively with Guild because they know
Speaker 10: what they're getting, I know who's mean, and I know
Speaker 10: quality of player that's coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it really is. This general drag fight is
Speaker 1: the eitome of that line in the sand in terms
Speaker 1: of you know, you must communicate the mechanics to people
Speaker 1: and then it's not just a matter of Once you
Speaker 1: know the mechanics, then it's an easy fight you have
Speaker 1: to execute. But the I can't stress this enough. This
Speaker 1: fight is not asking much of you. It is really
Speaker 1: not asking much of you. I won't say it's like
Speaker 1: the bare minimum, like a typical Wow classic fight, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's far from retail air skin terms of
Speaker 1: dancing around and having to do a million things and
Speaker 1: click on shit blah blah blah. I'm just I'm going
Speaker 1: to so you go, mate.
Speaker 2: There's a degree of orange with it.
Speaker 1: Is a mild degree. They talked about the conflags or
Speaker 1: the flame strikes.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the conflag specifically, Like if you get a cont
Speaker 8: flag on the Heeler, it can be a real ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at least the conflag is real. It's only
Speaker 1: a five second con flag, right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it takes you down to almost nothing and
Speaker 8: it has a little bit.
Speaker 1: Oh but it only takes you know, like the conflag
Speaker 1: itself doesn't do damage, does it. I thought it was
Speaker 1: only if you're standing in the flame strike?
Speaker 2: No, it deals damage?
Speaker 1: Okay, health away, Oh I hadn't noticed. Okay, Well, look
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I will talk about the encounter because
Speaker 1: it's not like it's a fucking super secret raid boss
Speaker 1: or anything.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: We've been hesitant to divulge too much that people haven't
Speaker 1: seen yet on the show, but in terms of spoilers,
Speaker 1: but you know, people are starting to see this now
Speaker 1: and I feel like doing a little bit of a
Speaker 1: class on the encounter. Do you guys think that's okay
Speaker 1: to talk about on the show or do we leave
Speaker 1: it for people to figure out? I leave it, leave
Speaker 1: it all right, we can leave it.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 6: I will say though that I've done it with a
Speaker 6: lot of pun I've done it a ton ouber a
Speaker 6: ton because I had two of my cheer pieces come
Speaker 6: out of there, probably more than any other dungeon end
Speaker 6: the game dungeon. And even with I thought it was
Speaker 6: a bunch of pugs who have never done it before.
Speaker 6: And if you just take I've taken the time to
Speaker 6: like I was like all right, time out. I'm gonna
Speaker 6: explain this, and I just write out, like pretend they're
Speaker 6: in kindergarten, and I just write out everything he does.
Speaker 6: These are mechanics, is are strategies. Is the order of
Speaker 6: the seals. I make sure I'm not one of them
Speaker 6: so I can back someone up if they mess up.
Speaker 6: And it's for you know, some players get it and
Speaker 6: some players don't. But I don't think it's a pug
Speaker 6: killer if you just if you just take the time
Speaker 6: to explain to people, it can be done. It's like
Speaker 6: you have a brain, it can be done, and the
Speaker 6: fight doesn't really ask that much of you. I feel
Speaker 6: like the strat undead the Baron fight is actually takes
Speaker 6: more skill, it's more difficult on people, and it's a
Speaker 6: bigger gear check than trackers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, it's just a question of you know,
Speaker 1: taking that time to communicate. But then also, like I
Speaker 1: agree that the average Wow classic gamer will struggle with
Speaker 1: this encounter because the average Wow Classic gamer can't get
Speaker 1: their head around much more than a tank and spank.
Speaker 1: That's just the pure reality. And even worse on the
Speaker 1: private service scene, where like we have kept noting it
Speaker 1: seems like the skill level, you know, if it even
Speaker 1: could does go down a little bit on a private server.
Speaker 1: So I've I've really not seen much of it because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I've been exclusively running guild runs. Did
Speaker 1: my first fucking park last night, which I gancel, but
Speaker 1: you know, two out of the five people in the
Speaker 1: party were guilties. But yeah, I'd be interested to hear
Speaker 1: from more and more of you as you start to
Speaker 1: see this stuff, whether you think for some reason Epoch
Speaker 1: crosses the line in terms of difficulty. You know, I
Speaker 1: still haven't done a Princess fight. Sorry, not the Princess fight,
Speaker 1: you know, the end of BRD. I haven't done that, boss,
Speaker 1: I haven't done a strath yet. All I've done is Scholar,
Speaker 1: LBRs and ub r S, and I fucking love, love,
Speaker 1: love love all three of them. I love the last
Speaker 1: encounter of LBRs. I love what they did with the dogs.
Speaker 1: I just I just think that there they've been on
Speaker 1: point in terms of we're just gonna ask a little
Speaker 1: bit more from the players in dungeons, and it's really good.
Speaker 6: That's been great.
Speaker 7: Can I say one thing about that? Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 7: sixty yet, so I haven't tried party or your burs
Speaker 7: or anything like that. But I'm loving they increased the
Speaker 7: difficulty of it. There is a Shade of Iranicus and
Speaker 7: sung on Temple, which.
Speaker 6: Is, oh yeah, it's hard, much fucking.
Speaker 7: Harder than he is on Classic.
Speaker 1: Did you get it down?
Speaker 7: And no, I didn't, But I personally I don't care.
Speaker 7: It was fun. I loved it.
Speaker 10: A pretty big difficulty spike.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and we were all like fifty two, so it
Speaker 7: was like we needed we needed like higher level. It's
Speaker 7: it was fine. I didn't mind, but getting a getting
Speaker 7: a group to song Con Temple is a fucking bitch.
Speaker 7: Like people are not queuing up for that dungeon. And
Speaker 7: I'm guessing because of Shade of.
Speaker 1: Her Arm because they've heard yeah, and.
Speaker 7: So I mean, I think it's a bit overspiked, sure,
Speaker 7: but I would have I would have been been able
Speaker 7: to go, like at fifty four, fifty five. Maybe I'm
Speaker 7: fifty five now almost fifty six, but I haven't been
Speaker 7: able to get a group for it.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard. I haven't heard from anyone in the
Speaker 1: Countdown Guild that has killed Shide of Iranicus. So you
Speaker 1: might be onto something that maybe it is a bit
Speaker 1: too high. Sorry, say again, who is that?
Speaker 10: I say, me and Jagant are both killed? Shit of eranic?
Speaker 1: Oh you got it? Oh very good? What did you
Speaker 1: think of it?
Speaker 10: It was tough, it's not. It's a no joke fight.
Speaker 10: I mean you need to know the mechanic of what's
Speaker 10: going to happen and be ready for it and have
Speaker 10: the right comp for it and be a little bit
Speaker 10: over leveled. So and it's a pretty big spike too
Speaker 10: from the typical fights you've been doing. Even though the
Speaker 10: rest of the fights are harder, it's a level above
Speaker 10: so I can definitely see what the people are struggling
Speaker 10: to do.
Speaker 7: That. I was the only cash there in the group,
Speaker 7: and that was just an ogo.
Speaker 4: That's a specific thing that you have to do in
Speaker 4: order to kill it. You have to take him out
Speaker 4: of his boss room and into the center chamber.
Speaker 1: That oh speaking of, Well, we'll do a full kangaroo
Speaker 1: court later on. But just before I forget, you mentioned
Speaker 1: the run that we went to. No, sorry, this was
Speaker 1: a different one our last run in LBRs lads. Actually no, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm lying, I'm lying. Where where were we? Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: same group smite as Priests and everything we did LBRs
Speaker 1: and speaking of dragging bosses to other rooms, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: kangaroo court the fuck out a smite who we go in.
Speaker 1: We go into the last boss's room and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: do you guys know that Cheese strapped for this one?
Speaker 1: And we were like, no, what is it? And he goes,
Speaker 1: so you dragged the boss and pull it all the
Speaker 1: way across the bridge back to the other room that
Speaker 1: we just came from, and the ads can't find you,
Speaker 1: and you just fight the boss with ads and we
Speaker 1: were like, all right, we'll give it a go. But
Speaker 1: as soon as he said it, I was thinking in
Speaker 1: my head like, does he mean Epoch or on like
Speaker 1: Anniversary servers? So you pull the boss straight away, you
Speaker 1: start dragging him back, and as we're crossing the bridge,
Speaker 1: I finally say out loud, hey, Smite, do you mean
Speaker 1: this works on Epoch, Like you've actually done this on
Speaker 1: Epoch or are you talking about other servers you've played before?
Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, I mean other Servers, And like,
Speaker 1: oh the fuck, you're fucking killing me. That would have
Speaker 1: been some great information to have before we did this
Speaker 1: fall and lo and behold the ads spawn and just
Speaker 1: b line towards us. They can absolutely find us, and
Speaker 1: now we are fighting the weirdest close quarters skirmish of
Speaker 1: all time in that tiny little corridor with like three
Speaker 1: ads and the fucking final boss. I don't know how
Speaker 1: we got through that fight, but we did it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, we just dug in, you know, it
Speaker 1: was I wanted to kill him. I wanted to kill him.
Speaker 1: I was feming, But anyway, we got it done. Sorry
Speaker 1: Kangaroo record for that. That that one for Smite for sure.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so back to we're talking about Shade of Iranicus.
Speaker 1: So that's good that you guys got that one done. Anybody,
Speaker 1: Yeah you go for it.
Speaker 6: Mate, Yeah, I totally. Even though I'm glazing the ends
Speaker 6: dungeons I think are all perfect in terms of balance.
Speaker 6: I think it's okay to ask players a little bit
Speaker 6: more because it is it's more rewarding, and it's not
Speaker 6: like miss you know, we're not talking about retail level
Speaker 6: of mechanics. They're simple mechanics. They do punish you, but
Speaker 6: like they were, teamwork and communication and it's not too
Speaker 6: much to ask you, especially since they're no raids out
Speaker 6: right now and they're kind of like the end game, uh,
Speaker 6: the end game content for the server. So I think
Speaker 6: it's they're totally reasonable, but for a leveling dungeon for
Speaker 6: Shade Ranicus and levels, some of the mobs are like
Speaker 6: forty eight when you start off in Sunken Temple. And
Speaker 6: so I think there's two things that went on. One,
Speaker 6: the boss is too hard. There's no and there's no
Speaker 6: like increase. They didn't really increase the loot tables for him.
Speaker 6: There's no rule increase rewards for how hard he is.
Speaker 6: And then there's no h And also there's also I
Speaker 6: think a hangover from sad doing that doing that place
Speaker 6: for you know, a lot of people did that place
Speaker 6: for like four months straight. So think there are a
Speaker 6: combo of things there there. And I think the mechanic
Speaker 6: is really fun. I like the mechanic they made. It's
Speaker 6: it's good. But I think he's just he's just just
Speaker 6: too much health. And I think the mechanic also spawned
Speaker 6: it's I don't want to ruin the mechanic, but they
Speaker 6: could have done it in a ways where it's not
Speaker 6: as punishing or doesn't anyway that's too much. And I
Speaker 6: think that some of the lower dungeons are too have
Speaker 6: I think some of the lower dungeons, like the new
Speaker 6: deadlines is too I think it's too much. Not that
Speaker 6: it's it's hard really, but it kind of it kind
Speaker 6: of requires people. The health is too much, it takes
Speaker 6: too long. And yeah, it's fun in the first time,
Speaker 6: but for leveling I just don't anything under forty. The
Speaker 6: dungeons I don't think should be that difficult because it
Speaker 6: forces people to spec or not forces, but it really
Speaker 6: encourages people to expect tank spec healer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get I guess that's shorts.
Speaker 6: And SHORTI of healers. I think post for once you
Speaker 6: get due expect, then I think it's it's okay. But
Speaker 6: like I think you should be able to tank before
Speaker 6: forty you should fuld a tank, dungeons and ener GPS
Speaker 6: BAC you should will heal them in their GPS spec.
Speaker 1: I will agree that they're not that hard.
Speaker 6: I just think for the lower end players it it
Speaker 6: uh and even for the highering players they're just they're
Speaker 6: just all thinking about efficiency, you know, like while go
Speaker 6: to a dungeon, they might just think, why I go
Speaker 6: to duneons I can't find a tank and yeah, very
Speaker 6: small point.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think you spot on at that.
Speaker 1: I agree, whereas you know I'm sitting here glazing it
Speaker 1: over the difficulty. You know, I I personally like, I
Speaker 1: think Dead Minds is in a great space. I think
Speaker 1: well and everything was in a great space, but up
Speaker 1: to a point where I agree with you, where it's
Speaker 1: all well and good for me to sit here as
Speaker 1: a warlock and be like, yeah, I've seen no fucking
Speaker 1: dramas with it. You know, I think every dungeon has
Speaker 1: had a really good level of difficulty. But like I
Speaker 1: do agree because I've been thinking of it the last
Speaker 1: few days that once you cross that sort of level
Speaker 1: thirty five threshold and you get to say Glittermerk, and
Speaker 1: now you're doing these you know, quote unquote more serious dungeons.
Speaker 1: There is a night and day difference between being a
Speaker 1: tank SPEC or a dedicated healer SPECK, and it's more
Speaker 1: on the tanks and healers now, whereas DPS just gets
Speaker 1: to do whatever the fuck they were doing. But like
Speaker 1: you shouldn't, you shouldn't handicap the tank and the healers
Speaker 1: to now have to make a really really critical decision,
Speaker 1: do I hamstring my leveling experience and level as a
Speaker 1: tank or a healing spec or do I pay the
Speaker 1: money to chop and change between the two. It's it.
Speaker 1: I do want difficult dungeons, but you one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't not forced tanks and healers to make that
Speaker 1: difficult choice and have to be not that, not that
Speaker 1: they have to be, but they really should be tank
Speaker 1: or healing specs to do the dungeons because they are
Speaker 1: relatively difficult. And like I know that, you know, were
Speaker 1: I leveling a fucking paladin? Like I know you can
Speaker 1: and people say it's more optimal to level as why
Speaker 1: or whatever, but like, you know, you want a level
Speaker 1: as red sometimes. You know, if you're if you're a
Speaker 1: fucking warrior, you don't want a level as PROD. If
Speaker 1: you're a shaman, you don't want a level as Resto.
Speaker 1: You know, Mike is saying he made this exact point
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and yeah, it's come up before it, And
Speaker 1: I as I see more and more of the content,
Speaker 1: I really find myself vigorously agreeing with you guys that
Speaker 1: that is a design flaw in that they were doing
Speaker 1: the right thing and raising the difficulty and making these
Speaker 1: dungeons more engaging. Perhaps the need to speck down those
Speaker 1: trees is a fault because like people just it's it's
Speaker 1: too hard logistically on people's either their wallets or just
Speaker 1: their leveling times.
Speaker 6: It makes you more specific. I know there's gonna be
Speaker 6: people in the comments saying, you know, just get good.
Speaker 6: You know, it's not that hard. The mechanics are great,
Speaker 6: the increased mechanics are great, and it isn't that hard.
Speaker 6: It's just the health pools of these mobs are increased
Speaker 6: so much that if you take too much damage, like
Speaker 6: if you're not spect as a tank, you know, because
Speaker 6: you can easily hold threat as reht, you know you
Speaker 6: have consecrate, you have righteous fear, and you have a
Speaker 6: tent and say that you know warriors every class it's fine,
Speaker 6: But if you take too much damage, you know, your
Speaker 6: heal go out of mata and also just takes too
Speaker 6: long to kill the trash for like an official run,
Speaker 6: if you're not spect tank or healer, you have to
Speaker 6: drink too much. So it's not like you can't do it,
Speaker 6: but you'll just annoy the You'll just annoy the other
Speaker 6: people in your group. So yeah, you definitely can do
Speaker 6: it unspect but you'll just you know, make everyone wait
Speaker 6: longer and they'll get annoyed at you.
Speaker 11: One thing I want to add to that, though, is
Speaker 11: like one of the dumb things though, boys, is that
Speaker 11: like Vanilla has, like some of the dungeons have like
Speaker 11: egregiously large gaps in the levels of the boss to
Speaker 11: the levels of the actual dungeon. Like I also couldn't
Speaker 11: kill Askrakias or Ukranius or whatever his name was, the
Speaker 11: Sunken Temple boss because he's like level fifty five and
Speaker 11: like most of the dungeon is like level fifty one,
Speaker 11: and he and then they added like way harder mechanics
Speaker 11: to him also, so it's like not only is he
Speaker 11: slightly over leveling everybody, but he also is super hard now.
Speaker 11: And Old Man is also another example where the last
Speaker 11: boss is just way higher level than everyone.
Speaker 10: Oh oh, I forgot about him. He's fucking hard.
Speaker 11: Maradon right, like Princess is like fifty two compared to
Speaker 11: the like the rest of the dungeons like forty eight.
Speaker 11: You know, like it's I don't know, sometimes those last
Speaker 11: bosses being to a higher level, but like maybe they
Speaker 11: need to either lower the last boss level if they're.
Speaker 9: Going to be adding a ton of mechanics or just
Speaker 9: you know, maybe.
Speaker 11: Just leaving them being a higher level as the mechanic
Speaker 11: and getting a lot more missus and whatnot.
Speaker 1: I now we're now officially referring to those things as
Speaker 1: as krakenness and older man. So thank you, very smart.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize you were here. Just whoever was about
Speaker 1: to jump in, just jump in in three seconds. I
Speaker 1: just want to say this to smite. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: you were here. Somit. Do you want to answer for
Speaker 1: your crimes in kangaroo court that I just lodged at you?
Speaker 9: Guilty, dude, I so guilty. That was so embarrassing.
Speaker 1: You were so confident, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: you know when you know when you hear in someone's
Speaker 1: voice that they're almost too confident, And I was like, hang.
Speaker 11: On, yeah, yeah, no, I I read lead an anniversary.
Speaker 11: So I just I need that false bravado to get me,
Speaker 11: me and the boys through stuff, right.
Speaker 1: So I love it. I love it. I'm going to
Speaker 1: come back to you soon on healing as a priest
Speaker 1: who was just about to jump in before please go nuts.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 12: So they I feel like they made most of the
Speaker 12: bosses like se seeable. So especially with like Ournicus, like
Speaker 12: you can hibernate him and then just deal with the
Speaker 12: ads and then.
Speaker 1: Wait, there you go.
Speaker 6: I hear him.
Speaker 12: Yeah, because you can fear him. You can hibernate him,
Speaker 12: and then you just deal with the ads. You can
Speaker 12: see him in a little manner, and then you do
Speaker 12: it again.
Speaker 1: You can fear him, and.
Speaker 12: I feel like you can fear him.
Speaker 7: I actually had no.
Speaker 1: Idea there you go, because we just don't. We don't
Speaker 1: think to try because we're so used to CC does
Speaker 1: not work on bosses. Is the mantra running through our
Speaker 1: heads exactly?
Speaker 12: I think I think it's I don't think it's a bug.
Speaker 12: I think it's intentional, where like, yeah, we're gonna make
Speaker 12: this harder, but we're also going to give you another out.
Speaker 12: And are you going to think that.
Speaker 1: You yeah, we have we made it harder. Question Mark,
Speaker 1: use your heads, think outside the box.
Speaker 6: That's kind of awesome, that's.
Speaker 1: Really cool to know. I really well, now I'm flipping.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going you know what, where the but this
Speaker 1: this is part of what I've been saying, Yak, is
Speaker 1: that like I've hinted at this last week in talking
Speaker 1: to Vestige, where I'm like, and we'll have a big
Speaker 1: laugh about a certain priest issue that came up this
Speaker 1: week as well. But I've sort of been hinting at Ah,
Speaker 1: you know, I know it's that I always do the
Speaker 1: skinner meme of you know, am I so out of touch?
Speaker 1: Or is it the children who are wrong? But like,
Speaker 1: are we the problem in that we're being almost arguably
Speaker 1: held back by our preconceived beliefs about the game. It's
Speaker 1: like I said this a million times during SOD, you're
Speaker 1: not playing Wow Classic. You're playing SOD as SOD is
Speaker 1: not Wow Classic, and Wow Classic is not SOD. You
Speaker 1: are playing a new game. Effectively figure it out. And
Speaker 1: the mantra exists for Epoch as well. You're not playing
Speaker 1: Wow Classic, you're playing Epoch. The rules are different, but
Speaker 1: we struggle to get away from the shackles of the
Speaker 1: rules that we've dealt with, the rule set that we've
Speaker 1: played under for fucking twenty years. And if you just
Speaker 1: actually start to think outside the box and try new things,
Speaker 1: this server does seem to reward you.
Speaker 9: Very true, very true.
Speaker 1: So on that note, Vestige, while I remember, and like
Speaker 1: I said, you know, the question is are we the problem?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 1: You and Jack have been on the show the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks going this fucking surge of light talent.
Speaker 1: It's fucking broken. When are these caun't's going to fix
Speaker 1: these bugs? This server is out of control. And I
Speaker 1: finally rolled a priest this week, like I said, and
Speaker 1: I got it to level twenty. But as soon as
Speaker 1: I hit level ten, obviously I got access to my
Speaker 1: talent tree. And it's hard because the old you know,
Speaker 1: Project Epoch website is obviously being taken down via the
Speaker 1: season desist issues, so we can't go back and check
Speaker 1: what they had on the website. But I looked at
Speaker 1: the talent straight away and I was like, okay, let
Speaker 1: me see this search of Light thing that the guys
Speaker 1: sort of keep talking about. And I read that the
Speaker 1: tool tip and I go, wait, hang on, let me
Speaker 1: read that again. And I read it again and it
Speaker 1: goes you get a free free instance Smite, and there's
Speaker 1: no reference whatsoever to a flash heel or any healing
Speaker 1: spell whatsoever. And I go, wait, wait, wait, wait wait,
Speaker 1: have these guys been saying this thing has been broken?
Speaker 1: When it's actually working exactly as intended because I looked
Speaker 1: up that on TBC. That's how the TBC talent works.
Speaker 1: It's just a free smite, nothing to do with healing.
Speaker 1: It's wrath, and later on that they introduced the healing aspect. So,
Speaker 1: in fairness to you, I was like, look, guys, one
Speaker 1: of two things has happened here, and I think one
Speaker 1: is more likely than the other where they've done a
Speaker 1: stealth change to the text, and you guys were correct.
Speaker 1: It did reference healing, and now they've gone and changed
Speaker 1: that was never intended to affect healing, so they've just,
Speaker 1: you know, now put the appropriate tooltip in the game,
Speaker 1: or they couldn't get the healing aspect working, so they've
Speaker 1: just changed it the other way around and gone off,
Speaker 1: fuck them, We'll just make it only effect smite. And
Speaker 1: we've we've gone the raging debate with a lot of
Speaker 1: tongue in cheek over the last few days, going like,
Speaker 1: did you guys seriously see the reference to healing in
Speaker 1: the tooltip or are we all going crazy?
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's pretty much it, because I'm still the conspiracy
Speaker 10: theory that they it was there because I messaged a
Speaker 10: GM about it. They said it was a known bug,
Speaker 10: So either that GM was just bullshitty, mean just telling
Speaker 10: that everybody, which could be the case. Maybe every bug
Speaker 10: being reported was a known bug in on it. But
Speaker 10: I swore I read it that way multiple time, and
Speaker 10: I have a feeling that it was just the Wrath client,
Speaker 10: which does include the flash heel in the text. And
Speaker 10: then maybe somebody finally realized, oh, it shouldn't be that
Speaker 10: way and they fixed it. But yeah, it made me
Speaker 10: question my own sanity for you know, hour or two yack.
Speaker 5: Oh, same thing.
Speaker 12: I when I first was going to switch to Smite Priest,
Speaker 12: I was looking at the talents and I remember Investage
Speaker 12: saying like, hey, this isn't working or it's only half working.
Speaker 12: So I looked at it and I'm like, do I
Speaker 12: even take it? Is it even worth it? And I
Speaker 12: ended up taking it anyway. But as soon as as
Speaker 12: soon as you said something about it, like only showing Smite,
Speaker 12: Mazie went up, and you know, I was looking into
Speaker 12: it a bit more while I was at work, and.
Speaker 5: I think you're right.
Speaker 12: I think it's it got poured over, the text got
Speaker 12: ported over with the Rath client, and they were like, oh,
Speaker 12: this isn't how we want it to work. Yeah, and
Speaker 12: they just shadow changed it.
Speaker 1: I reckon they changed the text, But can you appreciate
Speaker 1: it from my point of view where I began tearing
Speaker 1: my hair out going. If I've had to listen to
Speaker 1: these fucking caun'ts talk rage about this bug for the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks and it wasn't a bug, they
Speaker 1: just misread it, I'm going to lose my mind.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it was very possible.
Speaker 10: It's very possible. I don't discount my own stupidity sometimes.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Anyway, boys going off of that. So
Speaker 1: that's a kangaroo caught on YouTube. Perhaps perhaps the jury's
Speaker 1: out on that one.
Speaker 10: Sci Fi also agreed with us. I want to say
Speaker 10: we're part of the Priest Union.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, the powerful Priest Union. The Priest Union is,
Speaker 1: the Priest Union is powerful and growing with vestige. Yak.
Speaker 1: Sci Fi smites myself now on an alt joining it,
Speaker 1: the powerful Priest rising up. Now, look, guys, we'll get
Speaker 1: into the priest healing later on, trust me. But I
Speaker 1: just want to finish off on this discussion. Does anyone
Speaker 1: else have anything to add a lot of you guys
Speaker 1: asked leveling, and there's fucking nothing wrong with that. It's
Speaker 1: a long journey. Does anyone else have anything to say
Speaker 1: pros or cons about the difficulty of dungeons along the
Speaker 1: leveling journey or even at sixty speak now or forever
Speaker 1: hold your silence, No, okay.
Speaker 5: Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's mark your Yeah.
Speaker 13: I feel with the difficulty is spike is great. Also,
Speaker 13: I disagree on the you know it being too difficult
Speaker 13: in the early levels. I feel if you just have
Speaker 13: a good set of gear for you know your offspect,
Speaker 13: not needing to actually you don't need to be suspect
Speaker 13: into proper respected healing. You just need to get yourself
Speaker 13: half decent gear and you can still get it done.
Speaker 1: Too easy.
Speaker 7: It really sounds like just get good.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, but the answer yeah.
Speaker 13: It encourages like the whole player base to level of
Speaker 13: their game. Also, I'm on the on the side of
Speaker 13: encouraging people to level as their spec builds better tanks
Speaker 13: and healers.
Speaker 5: It gives you a.
Speaker 13: Like a class identity that sticks with you along the way.
Speaker 13: You think of yourself as the tank, you think of
Speaker 13: yourself as the healer. You're not Oh, I'm gonna just
Speaker 13: you know, step into this dungeon and and and tank
Speaker 13: it because there's no other choice. It's like, I want
Speaker 13: to tank this thing. I want to heal this thing.
Speaker 13: So therefore I inspect into that even though my leveling
Speaker 13: you know, takes a hit, it's a sacrifice I'm willing
Speaker 13: to make because I'm willing to go all in into that.
Speaker 5: Into that class fantasy now.
Speaker 13: Having a a leveling as a prop warrior and as
Speaker 13: a Holy pally.
Speaker 8: So that just results unless dungeons happening though, right, like
Speaker 8: most of the level of damage dealers, because that's the
Speaker 8: better questing specs. And I don't know, I can appreciate
Speaker 8: the class fantasy aspect, you know, like I love being
Speaker 8: a prop paladin when I play a paladin, but I
Speaker 8: don't love being arrested shaman when I play a shaman.
Speaker 2: And I have been the main healer and so many
Speaker 2: fucking dungeons that I can promise.
Speaker 8: You I would not have held healed any of those
Speaker 8: dungeons if it weren't for dual spec for.
Speaker 1: Example, absolute true, but taking a heat for the guild.
Speaker 8: Right, it would just have resulted in wayless dungeons getting
Speaker 8: done and just way less content being seen and less
Speaker 8: game getting played.
Speaker 1: I love it. Sorry, sorry you got.
Speaker 7: I have to I have to agree with about this
Speaker 7: back and like Vanilla, I leveled a Rusta Drewid, and
Speaker 7: I leveled as a rustl droid like all the way,
Speaker 7: which is in hundset was fucking stupid and was fucking hard,
Speaker 7: but we didn't know any better, so we're just dead.
Speaker 1: I must say that's going mate.
Speaker 7: No, I just and I'm just saying as as and
Speaker 7: I think of myself as a rust Druid. Like every
Speaker 7: every step since I'm in retail, I'm arrested droid, always
Speaker 7: have been, always will be.
Speaker 1: All right, apologies guys, iways I seem to interrupt a lot,
Speaker 1: but it's the host in me. I dive in to
Speaker 1: save dead air. So if someone takes a long pause,
Speaker 1: I'll jump in and go and say something anything to
Speaker 1: stop to stop the what they call dead air in radio.
Speaker 1: But that's just the wido in me. So apologies for that. Alcoa, MRK.
Speaker 1: If I can come back to you and just say, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I I completely appreciate what you're saying, and
Speaker 1: you know, no one's wrong here. It's a preference issue.
Speaker 1: You are getting a fair bit of pushback, you know,
Speaker 1: from Mike our boy Boils of Steel is going nuts
Speaker 1: in twitch chat against you, Merk going no, and as
Speaker 1: some of the guys are saying here, that's ridiculous. You've
Speaker 1: got to get people into the content. Fuck the immersion,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But you know, I'm sure you appreciate
Speaker 1: the opposite side of the argument as well.
Speaker 13: Oh, definitely, I can appreciate and sympathize, and to a
Speaker 13: certain degree I do. I do think that if your
Speaker 13: goal is to just get people to experience the content,
Speaker 13: then then yes, you should be able to just dual
Speaker 13: spec it and do spec should be free so everybody
Speaker 13: can just switch whatever the needle rises. But I do
Speaker 13: feel that that dilutes the character identity of players. And
Speaker 13: in a perfect world we have enough healers and thanks
Speaker 13: to do all the content. And the reality, especially the
Speaker 13: reality of a private server, is that you have a
Speaker 13: limited amount of population and you do need to take
Speaker 13: those aspects in order to get the things done.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll keep you going, Merk, just because I'll tell
Speaker 1: a funny story mate. I was wondering, have you heard
Speaker 1: the funny story about our questions surrounding you to this
Speaker 1: point or not I have not Okay, all right, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you a very funny story. So now, if you
Speaker 1: don't mind me getting a little slightly personal, please do
Speaker 1: not answer any questions you're not comfortable with answering. Merkshield.
Speaker 1: The guys have loved you. You fit really well into
Speaker 1: the guild, your fan favorite. Mate. Am I detecting a
Speaker 1: Mexican accent?
Speaker 7: There?
Speaker 13: That is correct?
Speaker 1: Very good? Now, I think I know where you're from.
Speaker 1: Do you mind if I say so on the show
Speaker 1: or do you want me to keep that secret?
Speaker 5: Go ahead?
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're from TJ, right, that's right, very good.
Speaker 7: I have been there.
Speaker 1: I've done a day in TJ. I know all about it.
Speaker 1: When I was a younger man, a very younger man.
Speaker 1: I was like fourteen when I was there. But mate,
Speaker 1: you and your spot in this guild was a behind
Speaker 1: your back, a topic of great discussion amongst the higher
Speaker 1: ups in the guild, amongst Ubiquitous, myself and Marcus and Arcos,
Speaker 1: We were like, who's this Mrkshield guy? Who's this Murkshield guy?
Speaker 1: The reason being there was just when the server launched,
Speaker 1: people might remember from about three or four episodes ago,
Speaker 1: our old friend Tim from the Classic team jumped in
Speaker 1: on a podcast recording and we were talking about you know,
Speaker 1: Pop launching and Blizzard needing to do better with their
Speaker 1: Classic plus and match what Epoch has done, and we
Speaker 1: were having a back and forth, and all I'll say
Speaker 1: is after that interaction, speculation was rife on whether or
Speaker 1: not anyone from Blizzard would actually try Epoch and we
Speaker 1: were like, Dragon, the Blizzard guys actually roll a tune
Speaker 1: on this server and give it a go, you know,
Speaker 1: just to poke their heads around and see what kind
Speaker 1: of things people are liking or not liking with private servers,
Speaker 1: and whether or not they recycle any of those ideas
Speaker 1: with what they're doing. And so we were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder if Tim's playing. I wonder if Tim's playing.
Speaker 1: And then we started sort of like playing the guessing
Speaker 1: game of if Tim were playing in any aspect on
Speaker 1: this server, you know, would he join the Countdown guild
Speaker 1: and if so, who would he be? And so we
Speaker 1: knew there was fuck all chance Tim was probably playing
Speaker 1: on the server or playing with us, but we thought,
Speaker 1: on the one percent chance a year, who would it be?
Speaker 1: And all our Sherlock Holmes hats were put on, and
Speaker 1: we firmly kept coming back to you Murkshield because we
Speaker 1: were like, hmm, well, this guy's name is Merkshield and
Speaker 1: he's often online with another person in the guild called
Speaker 1: oaken Shield, and we were like, oh, we think oaken
Speaker 1: Shield is a grind because that's a dwarf paladin with
Speaker 1: an RP name, and that's something a grend would do
Speaker 1: with no fucking evidence whatsoever. To prove that, we just said, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll convince ourselves that that's what's going on. And then
Speaker 1: we were like, this Murkshield guy is always on and
Speaker 1: seems to be leveling with oaken Shield, and we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: I bet you murk Shield is tim and oaken Shield
Speaker 1: is a grand and we knew the chances were, like
Speaker 1: I say, very very very low. So we started like
Speaker 1: getting the guys to prod you for like mildly and
Speaker 1: as I asked them to do it, as you know,
Speaker 1: sort of cloak and daggery as they could and not
Speaker 1: be obvious that they were trying to find out more
Speaker 1: about you. Our costs blew that out of the water.
Speaker 1: One day when he did a Dungeon with you and
Speaker 1: was doing stuff like so is anyone here from the USA,
Speaker 1: like that's how he found out where you're from and stuff,
Speaker 1: and we were like and when we found out you
Speaker 1: were from TJ, I was like, there is no fucking
Speaker 1: way anyone in this guild is from TJ. There is
Speaker 1: zero chance. And I was like, that's it. Tim confirmed,
Speaker 1: he's lying, same time zone and everything. He plays a warrior.
Speaker 1: Tim loves to play a warrior. It's you know, done
Speaker 1: and dusted. And even though, like I say, we kept
Speaker 1: laughing that there was fuck all chance this was true,
Speaker 1: but it's what we liked to convince ourselves. So now
Speaker 1: having heard all that and hearing obviously your voice on
Speaker 1: the podcast, Merk, I guess I can confirm that it's true.
Speaker 1: You are not the head of the Wow Classic team.
Speaker 5: Would you say, I'd say that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 1: Okay, very good, very good.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also the way you talked, because you were very
Speaker 1: you have got.
Speaker 6: Like that, I know.
Speaker 1: But also we were analyzing I swear to god, this
Speaker 1: is we're so dumb like this. We were analyzing everything
Speaker 1: you said, like it was the fucking zodiac letters where
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, he speaks so politely, and look
Speaker 1: at the good grammar that he's sorry, so look at
Speaker 1: the grammar and sentence structure that he's using. I reckon,
Speaker 1: this is Tim. He talks like that, Oh God, we're
Speaker 1: such fuck weds.
Speaker 7: Ha ha.
Speaker 5: That's fucking insane.
Speaker 7: It is.
Speaker 1: It is insane. But anyway, that's that's the Tim. If
Speaker 1: you're listening to this, please have a laugh about that.
Speaker 1: But anyway, moving on from that, I just want to
Speaker 1: say I think it's fair to address an issue that's
Speaker 1: been brought up in twitch chat just now. I have
Speaker 1: certain feelings towards it. I'd like to hear what your
Speaker 1: guys thoughts are. We've got a person who's just found
Speaker 1: the podcast, who's for the first time, and he's saying, like,
Speaker 1: hey man, you know I played epoch, but I quit yesterday,
Speaker 1: Like you know, they're not telling us what's happening with
Speaker 1: the server and there's only two thousand people online. You know,
Speaker 1: I was told I was promised there was going to
Speaker 1: be ten to fifteen. K I've got relatively strong thoughts
Speaker 1: about this that I'll tee off on, but I'd maybe
Speaker 1: invite you guys to speak first about like how have
Speaker 1: you guys felt about the feel of the server the
Speaker 1: last week, and like I said, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: sugarcoat it. Numbers are going down. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about that? How do you feel about the roadmap issue
Speaker 1: and everything? And does that deter you in any way
Speaker 1: from playing what Epoch has to offer.
Speaker 11: I feel like it almost doesn't matter what's real. It
Speaker 11: just matters, like the perception of it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 11: Like a lot of people don't know like what we
Speaker 11: know about how like the guys are probably still working
Speaker 11: on it in the shadows and just like Hit like
Speaker 11: threw up the stealth cloud like the I think in
Speaker 11: a previous podcast you were saying, like it's almost like
Speaker 11: the Facebook meme where all the old people would be
Speaker 11: like I do not consent to my photos being used
Speaker 11: or whatever. And with that being the case, like a
Speaker 11: lot of people on the server don't know that they
Speaker 11: think that they were actually one hundred percent abandoned and
Speaker 11: it might not have a few future and Bronze Beard's
Speaker 11: just gonna snake all the people.
Speaker 8: We don't know that also, like that's super speculative on
Speaker 8: our part, and I don't think there's a broad consensus
Speaker 8: within the countdown community as to that being the case,
Speaker 8: because I'm personally of the no I think they've fucking
Speaker 8: failed kind of opinion personally, But after.
Speaker 11: Four years of working on a project to just like
Speaker 11: at the first drop of the hat, I know that
Speaker 11: it's a little bit more serious than maybe they had thought.
Speaker 9: But that's kind of wild.
Speaker 8: I think they made their money what money they were
Speaker 8: going to make from it, and but that's we don't
Speaker 8: need to get into this, just the point being that
Speaker 8: like we don't know, nobody knows well, we.
Speaker 1: Can talk about we can talk about what we do know.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I'll reframe it again as like
Speaker 1: you guys read the subreddit, you log on the game
Speaker 1: every day and you see what you see, and I'm
Speaker 1: asking you what do you see? Are you bothered at
Speaker 1: all by a slight dip in the numbers from let's
Speaker 1: say even just over the last week, let's say like
Speaker 1: ten fifteen percent of people have walked away from the
Speaker 1: game or whatever, or you know, if you're doing your
Speaker 1: I think the census start is still being run and
Speaker 1: is still quite strong. And to trust me, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go pretty heavy on this when you guys are
Speaker 1: done so I'm just holding back for now. I want
Speaker 1: to hear what you think has the look of the
Speaker 1: server and the information we have about the future of
Speaker 1: the server over the last seven days done anything to
Speaker 1: affect the way you think about Epoch.
Speaker 6: Last year I said no, they made essentially made a
Speaker 6: public statement that they've got raid plans and the works
Speaker 6: and the debt team. I don't know why. I mean,
Speaker 6: maybe it's true, maybe it's not, but they've already said that.
Speaker 6: There's an lefe to say, well, I don't expect them.
Speaker 6: I don't expect them to have to build a find
Speaker 6: a new dev team in like a week and to
Speaker 6: get this stuff done like they inherited an incredibly buggy server.
Speaker 6: They weren't they weren't expecting to become developers. That wasn't
Speaker 6: a deal, and the poppyple dropped out. So I think
Speaker 6: it's going to take a while. So I don't expect
Speaker 6: to hear from them anytime soon.
Speaker 1: Let me ask this question of the crowd, because this
Speaker 1: is going to factor in largely into what I say
Speaker 1: at the end of this. Does anyone he seriously believe
Speaker 1: that the raids are not going to be released on
Speaker 1: Project Epoch? No, No, I'm going to take yet they're coming.
Speaker 1: So everyone here would would would would sign up to
Speaker 1: that that at some point in time, raids are going
Speaker 1: to be released and this server is just going is
Speaker 1: not just going to be ditched with like no first
Speaker 1: tier of raid content ever coming to it.
Speaker 10: No, No, I think there could be a possibility.
Speaker 1: Okay, tell him talk to me Vestage, talk to me
Speaker 1: about why you think that's a possibility.
Speaker 10: If find if they can't find a proper dev team
Speaker 10: in time, and the server gets to a population level
Speaker 10: where they don't think it's salvageable, would they bother investing
Speaker 10: all this time into a server that they think is
Speaker 10: really not gonna last long and it's gonna cost them
Speaker 10: money and they're not cash shop for I could see
Speaker 10: them just then saying Okay, well it is what it is,
Speaker 10: and we're just gonna milk whatever we have left on
Speaker 10: it and let Epoch die. So you'd see thatsiness perspective.
Speaker 1: You would effectively be I know where you're coming from.
Speaker 1: But you would also effectively, as part of that argument,
Speaker 1: be saying that that's gonna happen within the next four
Speaker 1: to six weeks.
Speaker 8: I mean, what is the assurance that the raids are
Speaker 8: gonna come out in the next four to six weeks
Speaker 8: to take counter you're You're like, for all we know,
Speaker 8: it could be months, it.
Speaker 12: Could will timeline, but the sorry you got it's already
Speaker 12: been announced, like they we already know they have that
Speaker 12: first tier made ready to launch, so like.
Speaker 8: Well, the Maid and ready to launch, and not by
Speaker 8: the previous announcements that should already be out now, shouldn't it.
Speaker 8: Like maybe I'm not as I'm not in the Ascension discord,
Speaker 8: so like maybe I'm fucking way off base, But like
Speaker 8: I feel like given the time, we've only been given
Speaker 8: a time frame once, and that time frame was given
Speaker 8: to us by the oldie Park team, and I think
Speaker 8: it's reasonable to, you know, be unsure. I'm still all
Speaker 8: in for this, but I also like could give a
Speaker 8: shit about pugs, right, I'm only doing dungeons if.
Speaker 2: Y'all are on, and I'm happy to raid with just
Speaker 2: you guys.
Speaker 8: But like, I like, you know, the server is definitely
Speaker 8: from like an economy standpoint, I think there might be
Speaker 8: slightly less options up like I haven't, or maybe it's
Speaker 8: more just the big Chase epics maybe are better known.
Speaker 8: So they're not on the auction house as much anymore
Speaker 8: as they once were. But I don't think it's unreasonable
Speaker 8: to have vestiges, you know, reserved kind of opinion as
Speaker 8: about shit.
Speaker 10: Well, I wouldn't. I mean, I'm not going to say
Speaker 10: it's what I think is going to happen. I can
Speaker 10: just see from a business perspective that if the Epoch
Speaker 10: team left and they have to get a whole new
Speaker 10: dev team, that's going to cost money. And if they
Speaker 10: get to the point where they say, the money that
Speaker 10: we think we're going to bring in is going to
Speaker 10: be less than the cost to run the server and
Speaker 10: pay for a whole new team and do all these
Speaker 10: other stuff, I could see them making a decision that
Speaker 10: it's just not worth long term for them to do that.
Speaker 10: Do I want that to happen, No, But I could see.
Speaker 2: A plane out, yeah, totally.
Speaker 8: Like if bron Spear takes off and they're like, oh shit,
Speaker 8: this is a cash cow, they might want to just
Speaker 8: pour all of their manpower resources into that. I don't
Speaker 8: personally expect that to happen, because I don't. I think
Speaker 8: a big part of what makes epop great is that
Speaker 8: it's not pay to win, and the problem with all
Speaker 8: of Ascension's other servers is that they are so you know,
Speaker 8: I'm expecting rates to happen, but I don't think it's
Speaker 8: impossible that we might be two months from now going
Speaker 8: like I would really love for MC to come out
Speaker 8: looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I mean, nothing's impossible. We used to
Speaker 1: say this in court all the time, where someone makes
Speaker 1: a weird statement about possibility and it's like, nothing's impossible.
Speaker 1: But I the reason I discussed this is like, I
Speaker 1: just I don't see it happening, like none of them.
Speaker 1: I have not been moved in any way about all
Speaker 1: this news about the Epoch team leaving. We're looking for
Speaker 1: new devs, you know, no roadmap, and I know it's frustrated.
Speaker 1: It's not like I don't think about it at all,
Speaker 1: but I've just not been moved from my position of well,
Speaker 1: I mean, the raids are going to come out at
Speaker 1: some point, and it's not I'm sure they're not going
Speaker 1: to do it at a stupid point in time. You know,
Speaker 1: do I expect the raids next week?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: A lot of people are still leveling, you know, do
Speaker 1: I think that the raids won't be out in four months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's probably a little bit long. I think
Speaker 1: they'll be out before then. But like my point is,
Speaker 1: I think that you know, Epoch still has a healthy
Speaker 1: population and raids. You know, it's not going to be
Speaker 1: not that it's not happened necessarily in the past, but
Speaker 1: it's not going to be the first major private server
Speaker 1: that just launches and goes you know what, Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: we're winding it up. We're actually we're just because like
Speaker 1: if you don't release the first raids here, you effectively
Speaker 1: have to close the server, right, Like that's it. You
Speaker 1: are pulling up stumps. You're saying, you know what, we
Speaker 1: thought this was a good idea, but we're not actually
Speaker 1: doing it now. After all, like team the Ascension team,
Speaker 1: even though we don't know the behind the scenes deal,
Speaker 1: the logic would be that they paid money for this content.
Speaker 1: They went to Epoch and worked out a deal, and
Speaker 1: some form of finances would have been traded for this
Speaker 1: content to be hosted on Ascension servers. I just don't
Speaker 1: get carried away with them paying an amount of money
Speaker 1: for this shit, having thousands of players playing here at
Speaker 1: the moment, and and so you never never ever, ever, ever,
Speaker 1: let fuck with start to tell you that the server
Speaker 1: is dead when there's fucking like, you know, over five
Speaker 1: thousand people playing on it or whatever, like I just
Speaker 1: you know that they're they're they're trying to root it on,
Speaker 1: they're trying to get the snowball running down the hill
Speaker 1: collecting more snow because they are agents of chaos who just,
Speaker 1: for whatever reasons, celebrate dead servers. I'm not saying never
Speaker 1: call a server dead. I've called servers dead in the past,
Speaker 1: But it's when they're you know, pulse has actually been
Speaker 1: checked and they've been cold and dead in the ground
Speaker 1: for quite some time that you pronounce them dead, as
Speaker 1: opposed to when they're you know, walking around the block
Speaker 1: to get coffee and you're like, look at that dead guy,
Speaker 1: like it's everything's fine at this point in time. And
Speaker 1: to sort of suggests that this server right now, which
Speaker 1: is running a pretty regulation life cycle for a private server,
Speaker 1: if not better, would just not have raid content released
Speaker 1: for it because they now deem it not to be
Speaker 1: a feasible business model, I think is bizarre. I don't
Speaker 1: get it. Like I said, is of course it's possible,
Speaker 1: but anything's possible. It's a moot point to say something's possible. Well,
Speaker 1: they possibly could decide not to release raid content. Of course,
Speaker 1: they could also possibly decide to fucking go and sit
Speaker 1: on an iron pole tomorrow. Anything's possible. We're talking about probabilities.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So I fundamentally I think we're probably on the
Speaker 8: same page, and I largely agree. But I guess, I
Speaker 8: guess maybe I have an even lower opinion of the
Speaker 8: average Wow player base than you do. And thus I
Speaker 8: think it's entirely like it's like where like a bank run, right,
Speaker 8: where it's all fine until it suddenly isn't And ultimately
Speaker 8: perception is reality. And if a bunch of fuck wits
Speaker 8: decide like, you know, we don't want to put our
Speaker 8: time into the server anymore despite it being awesome, right,
Speaker 8: then the devs, if the money is not there for them,
Speaker 8: they will just go like, well that that investment didn't
Speaker 8: pan out, you know. And I think it'll be a
Speaker 8: real shame because like I'm you know, I'm leveling my
Speaker 8: alt but like my sixty, I'm like, as far as
Speaker 8: I'm concerned, I know I can make him better.
Speaker 2: He's ready to go on AMC. You know, I've been
Speaker 2: playing it more than most people, but like you know,
Speaker 2: I'm happy to.
Speaker 8: Just level on all and I'm like, you know, right
Speaker 8: now I'm playing worse gulch on the level nineteen that
Speaker 8: I've decided to stop gaining experience on.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's most wild.
Speaker 8: Players, and I think it's very much within the possibility,
Speaker 8: within the cards of just like, oh it was a
Speaker 8: fomo thing, it was flavor of the month, and like
Speaker 8: you know, the two thousand players remaining, they no longer
Speaker 8: consider worth catering.
Speaker 1: I just want to make a couple of points lest
Speaker 1: I be accused of being toxically positive, because I want
Speaker 1: to stress two things that I agree with you guys on.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. While I think the server is
Speaker 1: perfectly healthy, I am alarmed by how much the number
Speaker 1: went down. If this server had no hype and it
Speaker 1: was sitting at where it's at right now, it would
Speaker 1: be a perfectly what's the word I'm looking for, like
Speaker 1: positive surprise to light of a server. Holy shit, there's
Speaker 1: thousands of people playing on this thing. Let's go check
Speaker 1: it out. Oh my god, Like it would be a great,
Speaker 1: fucking great private server. And it is a great private server.
Speaker 1: But it's been a victim of its own hype. Where
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing is we keep coming back to those
Speaker 1: sixty fifty thousand people that joined the discord that again
Speaker 1: we always say half of them could have been bots.
Speaker 1: But then also, you know, thirty five thousand people logged
Speaker 1: on on day one, But now we've worked out that
Speaker 1: half of those people were fucking just week one tourists.
Speaker 1: But the number has the number has dwindled so much
Speaker 1: from where that insane level of Internet hype. And this
Speaker 1: is content. I mean, I'm a content creator, but like
Speaker 1: the content creators just drumming this thing up so much.
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, I think it's worthy of
Speaker 1: the hype this server. If you haven't fucking guessed, I
Speaker 1: am absolutely reaming the asshole of because I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Not without its flaws, but it's a fantastic experience. Is
Speaker 1: the point that I've dedicated all my content to it
Speaker 1: over the last month, but it had such like a
Speaker 1: higher bar set for that. Now people like I say,
Speaker 1: they're seeing what is the natural progression of regression in
Speaker 1: terms of numbers on a private server, And now they're
Speaker 1: all sort of going like, oh, it's d D dead
Speaker 1: Dead Dead Dead dead because it's not at thirty thousand anymore.
Speaker 1: Now it's a ten thousand or the number is settling,
Speaker 1: and they're like, Noah, fuck this this thing's over. It's
Speaker 1: it's not how it fucking works. But I mean, like
Speaker 1: we say, like Turtle Wow started with like two or
Speaker 1: three hundred people and grew into the leviathan that it did.
Speaker 1: If Epoch starts at a settled number of you know,
Speaker 1: five to ten k and goes on for some time,
Speaker 1: then that's great. But again I'll also add that I
Speaker 1: agree with you guys that the lack of a roadmap
Speaker 1: at this point. Whilst I wouldn't say, like, how would
Speaker 1: I put this if they dropped it in like two weeks,
Speaker 1: fine whatever, I'm not. I'm not the guy saying like
Speaker 1: drop it today or else personally, but I am fully
Speaker 1: aware that I don't have the rationale of the average
Speaker 1: private server player. So I think that the release of
Speaker 1: the timeline is becoming more and more important if they
Speaker 1: don't want to continue to bleed players, because most like
Speaker 1: I would, you know, fucking the vast majority of players
Speaker 1: on this server very fucking clearly need to be explicitly
Speaker 1: told that the server is not being abandoned by the
Speaker 1: devs and that here's your roadmap. You're getting MC on
Speaker 1: this date, BWL on this date, or whatever it might be.
Speaker 1: And if they don't get spoon fed that information, they'll
Speaker 1: just walk away. Even if they're having fun, they don't care,
Speaker 1: They'll just walk away because they have It's like this.
Speaker 1: This is an incredibly facetious way to put this, guys,
Speaker 1: And I am being slightly tongue in cheek when I
Speaker 1: make this analogy, but feel free to shoot me down,
Speaker 1: because I find I've kind of got a foot in
Speaker 1: both pools here of being for you and against you,
Speaker 1: where it's kind of like being told sorry. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like the situation where if I'm not explicitly told
Speaker 1: with assurances that the sun will come up tomorrow, well
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not interested in anything because I don't know
Speaker 1: that there's going to be a day after today. What
Speaker 1: do you mean you can't assure me next week will
Speaker 1: be a thing. Well, I'm not going to do anything now.
Speaker 1: If i I'm out, I'm done. If next if tomorrow
Speaker 1: is not going to be a thing, if next week
Speaker 1: is not going to be a reality. I'm done. Like
Speaker 1: I just, I just have faith that the sun will
Speaker 1: come up tomorrow and that I will be around next
Speaker 1: week doing whatever the next chapter in my life is.
Speaker 1: And I kind of somewhat apply that to private servers
Speaker 1: in now. Don't get me wrong before you get too
Speaker 1: angry in a way in that I'm having fun.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to keep doing the dungeons and the content,
Speaker 1: and I have all the faith in the world that
Speaker 1: this isn't going to be the one private server that
Speaker 1: has thousands of players that goes you know what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: decided just to pull the pin we're gonna take, take this,
Speaker 1: pull the plug on this server and just never release
Speaker 1: a raid, be super weird and just do that. Like
Speaker 1: I just, I just don't think that's gonna happen. So
Speaker 1: I continue to plod along with the faith that this
Speaker 1: will be business as usual as far as we our
Speaker 1: servers go. But like I'm saying, I don't want to
Speaker 1: take away from the point that most players aren't like me,
Speaker 1: and they should probably just release the fucking information to
Speaker 1: make all the fucking far twitchier people out there have
Speaker 1: their hearts put at rest. Does that make sense as
Speaker 1: a rant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that's about where I am as well.
Speaker 8: But like I said, I think I have an even
Speaker 8: lower opinion of the average wild player than you, and thus,
Speaker 8: you know, I am more concerned for the lack of
Speaker 8: uh you know, Timeline, not because I'm personally concerned. I
Speaker 8: can play this with just us forty people and have
Speaker 8: a lot of fun because the server is fucking amazing
Speaker 8: and it's it's the exact kind.
Speaker 2: Of classic plus I want.
Speaker 8: But you know, they're a business and they're trying to
Speaker 8: make money. And if they they if they lose their
Speaker 8: lightning in a bottle and they and they managed to
Speaker 8: capture it with their alternative products, I don't think it's
Speaker 8: unreasonable to expect that they would just divert their resources
Speaker 8: to where they're making their money.
Speaker 6: Yeah, don't they know that people come back. It's some
Speaker 6: people like that aren't playing are going to delete their accounts.
Speaker 6: They're just not playing. So if a rig gets announced,
Speaker 6: they're they're gonna log back up.
Speaker 1: And I'm fully aware Lass and I don't necessarily begrudge
Speaker 1: players that have done this. I'm fully aware that there
Speaker 1: probably are a decent amount of people that have either
Speaker 1: gotten to sixty or gotten relatively high in their leveling
Speaker 1: journey and have gone. You know what, just for security sake,
Speaker 1: I will tap out until the roadmap is released. I've
Speaker 1: no doubt those players exist.
Speaker 6: And haven't they already assured us that the raid's coming? Like,
Speaker 6: do we want them to say that.
Speaker 1: We've been told, We've been told the rate content is done,
Speaker 1: it is ready for release. The T one T two
Speaker 1: content is done and it exists. It has been made.
Speaker 1: Whether it's been tested or not, is it well, they
Speaker 1: had a beta, but whether it's been tested or not
Speaker 1: is a different question. But it's not something that they
Speaker 1: have to make. It's just a matter of releasing it.
Speaker 6: So I think it's gonna come out. But they've got
Speaker 6: a lot they still have work to do with, you know,
Speaker 6: the level of content still has bugs need to work out. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and they don't have a team. They don't have a
Speaker 6: team dedicated to it because they've got their other Serve
Speaker 6: Bronze per coming out, so they need to our people
Speaker 6: to do it's it's going to take time. I think
Speaker 6: it's smart. Not that rough.
Speaker 12: Worried me the most was the change log not being
Speaker 12: updated for like nine days.
Speaker 8: For me, it's the amount of hype they seem to
Speaker 8: be trying to pour into Bronze Beard, which you know,
Speaker 8: to me it might be awesome. I really shouldn't be
Speaker 8: knocking it as hard as I internally am, but it
Speaker 8: just feels like it's an inferior and like kind of
Speaker 8: a waste of resources on their part to pour as
Speaker 8: much into it as they are.
Speaker 2: But I guess they were already planning.
Speaker 1: On doing so, so I just al, it's sorry to kick.
Speaker 8: I mean, well, it's more that I would have thought
Speaker 8: acquiring Epoch would have changed their outlook in regards to
Speaker 8: Bronze Beard, because Bronze Beard to me, just seemed like
Speaker 8: it would be the inferior product.
Speaker 2: And you know where we are now.
Speaker 8: That's maybe where I was thinking a few weeks ago.
Speaker 8: It doesn't really seem like that's the case.
Speaker 2: Al.
Speaker 1: I want to throw to you in a second, because
Speaker 1: I think you were going to say something. I do
Speaker 1: know what you mean. I'm with you. I just want
Speaker 1: to point out one really quick thing. I just want
Speaker 1: to say, like the really bad player. Sorry I mentioned
Speaker 1: something that you said earlier, but I also just want
Speaker 1: to say, like I am reading what you're saying mate,
Speaker 1: but it's hard to don't take these too personally, even
Speaker 1: though it is quite personal, it's hard to take a
Speaker 1: lot of the commentary in when like you are using
Speaker 1: terms like pump and dump and rug pool and I
Speaker 1: was promised I was promised ten to fifteen k players
Speaker 1: on this server. Like saying shit like that is such
Speaker 1: a fucking red flag to me? Is the kind of
Speaker 1: player you are, Like, I'm not sure what you do
Speaker 1: want or what you wanted out of this server, Like
Speaker 1: I just just like, are you having fun with the content,
Speaker 1: then fucking play the game, Like, don't worry about the
Speaker 1: stuff you can't control. Just you know, like you say,
Speaker 1: you decide whether or not you want to stop playing
Speaker 1: and let everyone else have fun, or you know you
Speaker 1: want to do you want that moment of you know,
Speaker 1: the I told you so, the ha ha ha. This
Speaker 1: server did turn out to be shit and I stopped
Speaker 1: playing at the right time I showed you, nerds, Or
Speaker 1: do you want to play while it's fun, enjoy the
Speaker 1: fun that you had while you had it, and then
Speaker 1: move on if it does go the way that you
Speaker 1: seem to think it's going, Like I just I hear
Speaker 1: people say things like rugpool. I'm just like, oh, for
Speaker 1: fuck's sake, like, just get a grip. Anyway, Al you
Speaker 1: were saying, were you gonna make a point.
Speaker 7: I don't, No, I don't don't think so. My wife
Speaker 7: came in.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: All good, good. Just while we're on this point, I
Speaker 1: just want to say, it made me think of another
Speaker 1: thing that happened this week and everything that we just
Speaker 1: said or that I just said about Epoch and my
Speaker 1: attitudes towards it. And I'm not trying to go like
Speaker 1: full holier than now. And you know, I am the
Speaker 1: fucking calm waters that is rattled by nothing. I am zen.
Speaker 1: Everyone just be a WOW player like me that can
Speaker 1: just fucking go with the flow. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: do that, but I just want to highlight that it
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of something that happened a few
Speaker 1: days ago, where, look, this podcast would have sounded very
Speaker 1: different this particular episode if I had done like the
Speaker 1: emergency recording that some people were calling for. When the
Speaker 1: news dropped that supposedly Blizzard announced well they not supposedly
Speaker 1: they did announce this, but you'll know where I'm going
Speaker 1: with this. Blizzard announced that the Classic Team's focus moving
Speaker 1: forward for the next twelve months would be on what
Speaker 1: was happening the Chinese server with these you know, sort
Speaker 1: of Titan Forge or whatever realms that are quite different
Speaker 1: from anything we get in the West. And Ian Hazacostus
Speaker 1: came out in an interview and very much so worded
Speaker 1: it specifically to say that the Classic team's only focus
Speaker 1: and priority now would be China and the Wow Classic
Speaker 1: subreddit and the countdown to Classic Discord, and everyone fucking
Speaker 1: lost their minds blew up. Oh my god, wrap it up, boys. No,
Speaker 1: like literally all the fuck with YouTubers that I fucking
Speaker 1: can't stand release their fucking thumbnails with Classic Plus is canceled.
Speaker 1: It's all done, boys, We've been hyping up something that's
Speaker 1: not even being made. Blizz did it to us again
Speaker 1: game over man, and like a couple of you were
Speaker 1: waiting on my response. And I even when I read
Speaker 1: the news like I've never I'm not trying to like
Speaker 1: make myself sound fucking cool or anything, but like I've
Speaker 1: never snored or ho hummed through news war in my life.
Speaker 1: I literally read it and when like, uh, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't care whatever, Like they're still working on Classic
Speaker 1: plus like this doesn't change anything for me. Like if
Speaker 1: you genuinely think they're not releasing something or announcing something
Speaker 1: at Polizicon next year, I don't know what to fucking
Speaker 1: tell you, Like stop being such a fucking weird stop
Speaker 1: being such a fucking weird gamer, stop getting carried away.
Speaker 1: And everyone would be like, well, Josh, you idiot, they
Speaker 1: literally told us, And like that's where I get, like,
Speaker 1: stop being so black and white, like fucking think outside
Speaker 1: the box, use your fucking heads and just think. And
Speaker 1: everyone's like, nah, it's it's canceled.
Speaker 7: They're not.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's over. And I could have recorded
Speaker 1: an emergency podcast that day and it would have been
Speaker 1: fucking everyone on this call.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to throw anyone under the bus, but
Speaker 1: like generically a lot of people going, oh my god,
Speaker 1: fuck you, Blase. He said, how you're gonna leave us
Speaker 1: years in the lurch. I never should have trusted you
Speaker 1: in the first place. Your fucking company shit, your shit.
Speaker 1: Imagine not making anything for us and focusing on China. Oh,
Speaker 1: I get it. There's so much more money in China.
Speaker 10: Oh woe is me?
Speaker 1: And I'm so glad I didn't do that because now
Speaker 1: I get to give this rant on this podcast because
Speaker 1: they've since come out and clarified via a Blue Post.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, fuck ow bad. We forgot and this is
Speaker 1: dumb on Blizzard's behalf. We forgot that our fucking uses,
Speaker 1: our maniacs and fucking knobs who run off with like
Speaker 1: the wildest you know, takes on any morsel of news
Speaker 1: that they get. But like Newslash guys, no, this doesn't
Speaker 1: affect our Western plans. The Classic team is still working
Speaker 1: on whatever it is they're working on. Settle the fuck down.
Speaker 1: And that's a massive paraphrasing of the Blue Post, but
Speaker 1: that was the gist and the tone of it is
Speaker 1: stop being fucking idiots. I'm so glad they said that,
Speaker 1: because that's exactly what I was going to say had
Speaker 1: the Blue Post not come out of like this is
Speaker 1: just ridiculous, just fucking we talk here about you know,
Speaker 1: if we're going to sit here and project that, the
Speaker 1: Epoch team might now not see the financial viability for
Speaker 1: moving forward with Project Epoch. Sorry, the Ascension team might go,
Speaker 1: you know what, we're just not making enough money through
Speaker 1: the shop and this player base is dwindling in numbers,
Speaker 1: we're just going to never release a raid for this thing,
Speaker 1: and you know, we just think it's feasible now to
Speaker 1: not go down this route financially if we're going to
Speaker 1: say that, but then also not presumed the Blizzard would
Speaker 1: be like, Hey, we make a lot of money out
Speaker 1: of our Classic in the West. Do you think that
Speaker 1: a Classic plus would make us a lot of money?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Probably, we should probably work on something like that, but
Speaker 1: then be like, nah, you know what, We're not going
Speaker 1: to do that. Fuck that we don't like money, which
Speaker 1: is totally the Blizzard line. They hate money. I just
Speaker 1: don't get it. And so like, I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: glad that they wrote that blue post so I can
Speaker 1: sit here like a smug fuck with and go like,
Speaker 1: I'm so fucking sick of the the angry gamer. Like
Speaker 1: my my number one most hated person in the world
Speaker 1: is the angry, hyperbolic gamer and just doesn't use their
Speaker 1: fucking head to think and only lives in black and white.
Speaker 1: I just there. Sorry, Sorry if this is harsh, guys,
Speaker 1: but I'm not having a go at like any of
Speaker 1: you specifically, but just more wow, gamers in general, I've
Speaker 1: never felt less like I've never felt like I have
Speaker 1: less in common with the Wow player base than I
Speaker 1: do at the moment, Like, I'm just learning more and
Speaker 1: more about how different I am from the average wolplayer
Speaker 1: and it drives me up the wall. But anyway, how
Speaker 1: did you guys react to the news and what do
Speaker 1: you make of their clarification?
Speaker 10: I could care less.
Speaker 1: Exactly, I mean, but that is that now that you've
Speaker 1: got all the informat like did you did you? Did
Speaker 1: you react harshly at the time, or you just not
Speaker 1: cared less the whole thing.
Speaker 10: I didn't even know there was a clarification post. That's
Speaker 10: how much I didn't care. I didn't even follow up to.
Speaker 5: That stuff.
Speaker 10: But yeah, they're releasing Titan Forge in a China. Obviously
Speaker 10: that's their focus right now. They can do two things
Speaker 10: at once. They can be working on the back end
Speaker 10: for Classic Plus and then coming out with the new
Speaker 10: Titan Forge, which is their big push. And if anything,
Speaker 10: they kind of want there to be a lull, you know,
Speaker 10: what builds up hype and demand then to you know,
Speaker 10: have the void of and we just finished SODS, So
Speaker 10: they kind of want most average people to be like, Okay,
Speaker 10: I'm starting to get the hungry. I'm starting to get hungry,
Speaker 10: and they want that to Bill.
Speaker 1: WHOA hold the fucking farm here, Festiage. Are you trying
Speaker 1: to tell me what sounds like you and possibly what
Speaker 1: Lazarus is about to say? Are you gonna tell me
Speaker 1: you're capable of critical thinking?
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 10: I sometimes rub two brain cells together and I happens.
Speaker 1: So so when Blizzard comes out and says we're going
Speaker 1: to be working a lot. Our priority for in the
Speaker 1: near future over the next twelve months is going to
Speaker 1: be this Chinese game. You, for whatever reason, didn't you
Speaker 1: presume that they could also still be working on Classic
Speaker 1: Plus for the West.
Speaker 10: I assume they could chew bubblegum and kick ass.
Speaker 1: You're You're insane, Lazarus, You're crazy.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 6: Actually, I think Vester has been kidnapped because earlier, earlier
Speaker 6: this week, he told me when he thinks sixty gratz buddy,
Speaker 6: By the way, this is the most fun he's ever had.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's not allowed to say it.
Speaker 6: I can have opinions very much, but you can't criticize
Speaker 6: what's wrong. To start and say you still have the
Speaker 6: best time in your life.
Speaker 10: You have to you have to pick it's been the
Speaker 10: I said that sixty experience, and I stand by that.
Speaker 1: I say this with all the I say this with
Speaker 1: all the love and affection in the world. But Vestige
Speaker 1: is two face. He flipped. He flips the coin every time.
Speaker 10: I am a complex person with complex opinions.
Speaker 1: Laz tell me what was your reaction to this news
Speaker 1: than now, I.
Speaker 6: Couldn't care less. I'm having the time of life. I
Speaker 6: love I love the server and Blizzards definitely, they've already
Speaker 6: confirmed they're coming out with the Classic Plus. They're not
Speaker 6: like it's just just so much money to be there's
Speaker 6: just too much money to be made there. They're already
Speaker 6: talked about They've they've done money into their legal team
Speaker 6: to send the letters out and to you know, at
Speaker 6: least with Turtle, even more aggressively with actually file a lawsuit.
Speaker 6: Like it's coming. Now. Whether I like the project or not,
Speaker 6: it is a different story. But it's definitely coming, and
Speaker 6: they're gonna put resource and they're definitely gonna put resource
Speaker 6: into it.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that the propensity of evidence
Speaker 1: towards this being a thing, and people still like my
Speaker 1: big thing was like Blizzard has not announced Classic Plus
Speaker 1: they haven't said a fucking word about it outside of
Speaker 1: where working on something, and like people just presume that
Speaker 1: they're going to like out themselves like this news means,
Speaker 1: oh that the project that they've never talked about publicly
Speaker 1: is now all of a sudden. It's all of a
Speaker 1: sudden shelved or canceled like it just it fucking makes
Speaker 1: no sense. And I just I'm gonna get too angry.
Speaker 1: I have to throw it to someone else before I
Speaker 1: lose my mind. Anyone else please jump in it. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get on your case. If you were
Speaker 1: one of those people that were ready to fucking throw
Speaker 1: it all the way because you were convinced Classic Plus
Speaker 1: was no longer a thing, please speak now or forever
Speaker 1: hold your silence. I know I've just said you're a
Speaker 1: fucking blah blah blah if you thought that, But we'll
Speaker 1: have a genuine conversation about it. Did anyone think that?
Speaker 8: Here?
Speaker 1: No one, no one's game. That's that's all right. I
Speaker 1: don't blame you. Yeah, I know, okay, exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm just learning about this Titan for its shit right
Speaker 2: now on this car.
Speaker 1: Oh well, there you go. So it sounds like the
Speaker 1: majority of you either didn't even know or didn't even care,
Speaker 1: which is the exact same boat that I was in.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just sorry, mate, I.
Speaker 7: Don't think I mean, nobody fucking cared to be honest,
Speaker 7: we know that Blizzard is is catering something to the Chinese.
Speaker 7: Of course they're they're they're a huge fucking market. They're
Speaker 7: gonna make make tons of money of it. So why
Speaker 7: wouldn't they come with Ian and and make and make
Speaker 7: a big as announcement that they were like the most
Speaker 7: important people in the world, that the the the Western
Speaker 7: people are losing the ship over it is, Well, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if the Chinese market has become the most important market, then.
Speaker 13: So be it.
Speaker 1: Like they have a fiduciary duty to make fucking money
Speaker 1: and make the most they can. Like, if they're now
Speaker 1: going to go nuts on China, sure go nuts, But
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean they've then gone like, we don't make
Speaker 1: games for the West anymore. Anyway. Uh, what was I
Speaker 1: gonna say? I just las, do you think it's fair
Speaker 1: to say where I'm like the kind of person that says, seriously,
Speaker 1: well Classic Plus is clearly being canceled, you know, they've
Speaker 1: told us. I don't think that anything is going to
Speaker 1: happen anymore. That's the same kind of person that can't
Speaker 1: stand in the ring on general track.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I saw I'm not gonna end the persons.
Speaker 6: I don't want to promote them or drive traffic to them.
Speaker 6: But I saw clickbait when that news came out on YouTube,
Speaker 6: like oh Classic Classic canceled, and I have nothing but
Speaker 6: loathing and disrespect and just I can't stand that. It
Speaker 6: really bothers me. Yeah, but anyway, yeah, just it's definitely coming.
Speaker 6: And you know companies. You know a lot of times
Speaker 6: in business people say, you know you're by number one client,
Speaker 6: you're a numb one client. They tell everybody that they're
Speaker 6: their first, like you know the client you're talking to,
Speaker 6: they're always your number one priority. Uh I was, you
Speaker 6: can't have one hundred different number one priorities, but you
Speaker 6: don't tell them that like everybody's. You tell everybody they're
Speaker 6: the most important to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same, I've got mate. Look, I respect
Speaker 1: going for the bag on YouTube to a certain extent,
Speaker 1: like if you want to, if you want to make
Speaker 1: a clickbait title, because it drives traffic, and it's your
Speaker 1: only job and you need to make money, then so
Speaker 1: be it. But there's a difference between clickbait and just
Speaker 1: straight up like deception and poor and bad faith. And
Speaker 1: I think that I've got a massive bind to pick
Speaker 1: with most of the Wow classic YouTubers who got on this,
Speaker 1: because not only are you just doing it for the bag,
Speaker 1: you're also you're just you're fanning the flames of stupidity,
Speaker 1: and you're you're you're part of the fucking problem. You're
Speaker 1: you're you're why this fucking player base sucks is because
Speaker 1: a fuck, it's like you egging all the dickheads on.
Speaker 1: But anyway, on that fucking positive note, boys, shall we
Speaker 1: turn this ship around and get to proper Kangaroo Court territory?
Speaker 1: What do you reckon?
Speaker 7: Hell?
Speaker 1: Yah, let's fucking do it. Let's do it. Look, it's
Speaker 1: been a really good week for Kangaroo Court. There's been
Speaker 1: some fantastic submissions. I will just double check now and
Speaker 1: see if anyone who made Did anyone make a submission?
Speaker 1: Who's here live on the call?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, al can you? I can see your submission? Now?
Speaker 1: Do you want to tell your story with as much drama?
Speaker 1: And effect as you can.
Speaker 7: Hold shit. Okay, Well, we were going for arena in
Speaker 7: the in sunkthan well the new thing. I was like
Speaker 7: level forty forty one something that doesn't matter, and we
Speaker 7: had a group for it, and we were waiting at
Speaker 7: the at the arena and there was a group before us,
Speaker 7: and we just patiently waited and they were killing posts
Speaker 7: of the boss of the boss until they came to
Speaker 7: the last boss and I wiped on it. Okay, no
Speaker 7: big deal. They go again, and they wipe again, like
Speaker 7: they didn't stand a chance. Like it. It got to
Speaker 7: like seventy percent. And then the one I do think
Speaker 7: it was the tank that called out for help and
Speaker 7: we were like the only group around, so we just
Speaker 7: we said sure, why not, and they started and and
Speaker 7: I did like a lash yell like let's kill this
Speaker 7: fucker or or something like the other the war and
Speaker 7: the war cry. Like I was like I was pumped.
Speaker 1: And anyways, I started blasting yep, grab his deacon, twist
Speaker 1: it do it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I pulled that grow, which well, okay, fine,
Speaker 7: And I was thinking when I pulled a girl whole ship,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna die whatever, I'll just pump as much as
Speaker 7: I can, and and so I did, but I didn't
Speaker 7: know that I was standing too far away from like
Speaker 7: the middle of the arena.
Speaker 1: I was like in the ramp in the yeah, just
Speaker 1: outside of the bounds of the arena.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And so when he came to me and was about
Speaker 7: to smack me in the hat, he disappeared and they
Speaker 7: and so it like they failed it. And I was like,
Speaker 7: oh all right, and they went fucking pershirk. They just
Speaker 7: they lost the ship. They were like they were they
Speaker 7: were shouting things at me and and I got whispers
Speaker 7: from the shaman, like a lot of cruel stuff, and
Speaker 7: I was like, oh shit, they're not kidding. And I
Speaker 7: went mad. I went fucking mad. So I responded to
Speaker 7: the shaman and not so well, not so kind words
Speaker 7: I tried to people usually, but I absolutely lost my ship.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm a big proponent if they started responding kind.
Speaker 1: I get very toxic with people who are toxic to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't fucking respond in slurs
Speaker 1: or anything, but like if someone's a cunt to me
Speaker 1: or guilty my god, I go after them. I'm you
Speaker 1: guys are learning I'm a very aggressive I A'm a
Speaker 1: weirdly aggressive WOW player towards people, but only when I
Speaker 1: find out that they're being a cant.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I wasn't racial. I did not go on on
Speaker 7: some gray line that you're not supposed to pass.
Speaker 5: But I was.
Speaker 7: I was mean, but like ten percent of what was
Speaker 7: what I was called.
Speaker 1: So so they did they eventually down it or not?
Speaker 1: Did they eventually down.
Speaker 4: It or not?
Speaker 7: Yeah? With a help from A sixty Okay.
Speaker 1: So where kangaro recording that group look to be fair,
Speaker 1: I'll give you this pass out in that Voodoo. I'm
Speaker 1: fairly certain when we did the STV ring of whatever
Speaker 1: that I did the same thing. I think I stood
Speaker 1: on the edge and d Sborn the boss as well,
Speaker 1: but I can't one hundred percent remember I may have,
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's I don't think it's a you know,
Speaker 1: an outrageous thing to do, because until you do it,
Speaker 1: you just don't know. Yeah. Yeah, and Voodoo abused me
Speaker 1: for the same reason exactly. But no, they're very good.
Speaker 1: I'll take that for an intro kangaroo court. Fuck them,
Speaker 1: you know that's that's no good. But we'll get to
Speaker 1: we'll get to another kangaroo court. Submission and I love so. Typically,
Speaker 1: whilst you know, any story like that from al is
Speaker 1: always welcome. Typically, we love to throw guilties under the
Speaker 1: bus in kangaroo court, and we love to have a
Speaker 1: bit of fun and tongue in cheek poking at each other. Now, merk,
Speaker 1: my man, are you still with us? Can I grab you?
Speaker 1: If that's okay?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Mate, you had a submission? Is that correct?
Speaker 5: That's right?
Speaker 1: Who have we got? Who's charge for a while? Two
Speaker 1: for one?
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, an RFD and.
Speaker 13: Well, first of all, one of our dps disconnected, So
Speaker 13: let me pull up the actual things.
Speaker 5: I want to get the names right.
Speaker 1: So the first was injected, Yeah, injected.
Speaker 13: Yeah, whilst we had this this, you know, we had
Speaker 13: this hunter who disconnected and we were waiting to see
Speaker 13: if he came back.
Speaker 5: So we're all standing around different parts of dungeon, and
Speaker 5: whilst we're standing around with.
Speaker 13: Articular hands, Injected gets, you know, in typical rogue fashion,
Speaker 13: gets the great idea to start the escort quest and
Speaker 13: Razor vandelns not waiting for everybody to be around or
Speaker 13: for the whole group to be there, so we have
Speaker 13: to fucking scramble to run to this NPC escort into
Speaker 13: the stupid little room where it spawns a bunch of
Speaker 13: those squillboards, and we proceed to you know, get our
Speaker 13: fucking faces caved in because we don't have enough.
Speaker 1: People who among us am I right?
Speaker 13: Who would have.
Speaker 5: Thought the rogue would have done right? And that's the
Speaker 5: thing that came as no surprise at all.
Speaker 1: So then you had a second guilty come and put
Speaker 1: his hand up of something in snacks correct, yes.
Speaker 13: Snacks, you know, answers the calls like a chat. He's like, yeah, going,
Speaker 13: you guys, just give me a summon. So we went
Speaker 13: out some of them in and uh, thirty minutes later
Speaker 13: the group comp is Warrior Rogue, Rogue Stax Elemental Shaman Priest.
Speaker 13: So we have two rogues in the dpsing and like
Speaker 13: two pulls before the boss next is like, oh, well,
Speaker 13: I guess win Fury told him would be a good idea.
Speaker 1: Righteous outrageous that whole that whole time he hadn't been
Speaker 1: dropping it.
Speaker 13: Yeah, the whole time hadn't been dropping at all. And
Speaker 13: it's like, oh, well, yeah, thanks for remembering. When we're
Speaker 13: about to finish the.
Speaker 1: Last what kind of shaman does he think he is?
Speaker 1: But also I don't know, do we more put that
Speaker 1: on you guys for not sending the abusive messages within
Speaker 1: a quarter of a second of the pool starting that
Speaker 1: wind fury wasn't down.
Speaker 13: I would put part of the responsibility on those two
Speaker 13: rogues as the tank. I couldn't give care either way,
Speaker 13: but yeah, it is.
Speaker 5: It is on them and.
Speaker 13: Much you know, as people mentioned in the conversation there
Speaker 13: in the in the channel, ah, I wouldn't trust those
Speaker 13: rogues to know to turn off their poisons to benefit
Speaker 13: from the wind fury anyway.
Speaker 1: So we've got one charge of against injected for starting
Speaker 1: an escort quest without everyone being ready for it, and
Speaker 1: a second charge for snacks for being allergic to win
Speaker 1: fury totem guy's guilties all rounds. I reckon.
Speaker 6: Major guilty.
Speaker 2: Now, I guess this service.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some picking up some trash by the side of
Speaker 1: the highway for a while for snacks, I think for
Speaker 1: that one. Have we still got vestige, Yes, we do
Speaker 1: vestigy with us. I'm here, yes, mate, Now you've got
Speaker 1: an epic tale of tears but also sort of triumph.
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I guess we've got a kangaroo cord against a
Speaker 10: certain smelly bum warlock.
Speaker 1: Oh here we go, here we go, all right.
Speaker 10: So the wonderful and great lad decided that he could
Speaker 10: take us through the Fellstone Forge I think it's called
Speaker 10: or something and whatever, the dungeon and blasted Lands. Yeah,
Speaker 10: fortress in Blasted Lands, and he was going to run
Speaker 10: me through it. So I had like eight quests there.
Speaker 10: It's great xp there and Jigantor said he had someone
Speaker 10: to come along too, and he had a few quests too,
Speaker 10: so he said, hey, let's get together and run that through.
Speaker 10: We picked up a few pugs, a rogue and a shaman,
Speaker 10: so we're gonna five man run through this, try to
Speaker 10: grab as much stuff as we can. And the shaman
Speaker 10: was okay, but the rogue became a problem. He liked
Speaker 10: to pull everything that he possibly could. He was very
Speaker 10: low level, I think, which is coming to us wave
Speaker 10: after wave and stuff respawns and they're like crazy. So
Speaker 10: the kicking point was when he decided to start the
Speaker 10: escort for no damn reason in there. So we have
Speaker 10: to pretty much run out to do the escort. So
Speaker 10: we did the escort, and then we did the polite
Speaker 10: nice thing and said you know what, guys, we're done,
Speaker 10: you know, we'll just wrap it up there, and we
Speaker 10: basically all left group and then just reform to go
Speaker 10: back in Quest we had, so mejiagain, Torn Laz are
Speaker 10: back in there. We're piling away, killing a few rare
Speaker 10: spawns and getting Quest done, and then the gnome rogue
Speaker 10: still pops up again and he keeps whispering me, hey,
Speaker 10: invite me back, Invite me back. I just ignored him
Speaker 10: at this point, but he's still sulking around us kind of,
Speaker 10: you know. I see him popping in out of stealth
Speaker 10: the round, and I assume he's just picking up Quest
Speaker 10: items or something. As we clear through the Fellstone. Then
Speaker 10: we decide to go up a tower and kill a
Speaker 10: bot and to see if he got any loop. And
Speaker 10: then right in the middle of us killing it, all
Speaker 10: of a sudden, this little gnome fucker comes out of
Speaker 10: nowhere and starts laying into my app and unfortunately, Uh
Speaker 10: Laz and Cliance I'm Hord, so there's nothing they could
Speaker 10: do to help me. I just get absolutely obliterated, six
Speaker 10: levels lower than me and still kicking my app. That's
Speaker 10: just rogues are very insane, and I I'm not PvP
Speaker 10: spect or anything. So I don't have much help. So
Speaker 10: I'm just getting killed by the At this point, the
Speaker 10: rogue decides to camp me. There's no way for Laz
Speaker 10: or gigant out because I'm you know, it's Alliance's board.
Speaker 10: So I should also say that I accidentally got PvP
Speaker 10: flagged for some reason. Laz got TVP flagged earlier, and
Speaker 10: I had to flag myself to heal him. So that's
Speaker 10: how I ended up flagging the situation on the PV server.
Speaker 10: But so I'm getting camp buy this guy and I
Speaker 10: go into guilt Chad and I I hartly beg, I'm like,
Speaker 10: need another person down here. I just I we need help.
Speaker 10: We need help. Our guild is in a time of
Speaker 10: need that you know, it is dark out.
Speaker 1: There, that that signal has been thrown out there.
Speaker 10: Yes, and we're just just begging, just begging for anybody
Speaker 10: to help us. And a certain warlocks said, uh, he
Speaker 10: has to play with his puns in a bit, he
Speaker 10: can't help, and so, uh we is is that what
Speaker 10: I said?
Speaker 6: Is it? That's what he's calling it?
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's what the kids call it nowadays. I gotta go,
Speaker 10: I gotta go spend ten minutes and play with my talents.
Speaker 10: So at that point I noticed Krudef was looking in general,
Speaker 10: and I'm like, hey, well there's a perfect there's an
Speaker 10: orc warrior I need, I we need. I message him saying, hey,
Speaker 10: we need help. Men camped by this guy in Fellstone,
Speaker 10: you're in the zone. He instantly drops the group he's
Speaker 10: in and body hops to get to us as fast
Speaker 10: as he can. Absolute legend to help us out. And
Speaker 10: at that point we finished up the questing down there,
Speaker 10: and the rogue still keeps trying to kill me every
Speaker 10: now and then, trying to pop out of stealth and
Speaker 10: kill me, and every time Crudiff has to come around
Speaker 10: and give the road a good smacking to uh put
Speaker 10: him in his place.
Speaker 1: So de Crudef killing once or twice.
Speaker 10: Twice dominated three times actually, But the grogue was such
Speaker 10: a dick that he even waited at the quest givers
Speaker 10: to try and jump me again, so he knew where
Speaker 10: we were going to turn in the quest and try
Speaker 10: to get us. So Krudef gets an absolute a plus
Speaker 10: for helping us out, and a certain warlock it was
Speaker 10: a little too busy playing with his new talent too.
Speaker 10: It's his guild need.
Speaker 1: I I look, I've only got a partial defense.
Speaker 5: I am.
Speaker 1: I am more than guilty of this crime. Here's what
Speaker 1: actually happened. I saw the the he is what actually happened.
Speaker 1: I saw the squealing like a like a you know,
Speaker 1: a young babe in guild chat. Help help. I'm terrible
Speaker 1: at PvP and this guy is just destroying my life.
Speaker 1: I'm going to quit the server if nobody comes to
Speaker 1: my aid instantly. Here's something along those lines, and I went,
Speaker 1: you know what, here's what I actually said. I said, mate,
Speaker 1: I'll come help, but I've just got to take some
Speaker 1: time to change my talents. Unfortunately, I did take like
Speaker 1: ten minutes there because I just read on the subreddit
Speaker 1: the demonology is fucking annihilating people in PvP, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've got to try this fucking fell guard out because
Speaker 1: I was spectafliction, and because I know I haven't bought
Speaker 1: juel Speck and I know respecking is expensive. So I
Speaker 1: sat there for ten minutes and really chose my talents
Speaker 1: carefully while Vestige is getting brutalized in the plastid Lands
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'll be right there. I'll
Speaker 1: be right there. Yeah, mate, I'm coming, I'm coming. I
Speaker 1: was dragging my heels because I'm like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: take the ten minutes to travel there, and this rogue
Speaker 1: will be long gone and then I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh my god. But after like ten minutes, I finally
Speaker 1: started to move towards them, after getting all my talents picked,
Speaker 1: and I whispered Vestige and I go, is he still there?
Speaker 1: And He's like, nah, he seems to have moved on,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, cool, Okay. So I am absolutely the
Speaker 1: villain here for not rushing to my guilty side instantaneously.
Speaker 1: I should have done it. I didn't. I was a
Speaker 1: long way away. But you know whatever, I'm the bad
Speaker 1: guy next time. Next time I'll come and get you,
Speaker 1: get in for you. But I'm glad Krudef came and
Speaker 1: saved the day. Good on your crudeff at least crude
Speaker 1: effort to be fair. Now, in my defense, outside of
Speaker 1: Krudef being in the fucking zone with you, I believe
Speaker 1: I was the only guilty to even say anything towards
Speaker 1: you in response to coming to save you. So maybe
Speaker 1: I was one of the only people who could fucking
Speaker 1: do anything about it. But anyway, I'm a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: I dragged my heels and I shouldn't have. I deserve
Speaker 1: that one. But I'll give you a I'll give you
Speaker 1: another story for Kangaroo Court that from me that even
Speaker 1: throws myself under the bus even further, just to continue
Speaker 1: to prove how big of a piece of shit I
Speaker 1: truly am. So some of you will be aware that
Speaker 1: through the week I guild kicked a second person for
Speaker 1: roaching out on the guild. So this is nothing Schmiek
Speaker 1: has well and truly redeemed himsell himself. Everyone feel comfortable
Speaker 1: doing dungeons with Schmik. We love Schmiek again, he is
Speaker 1: the rogue on the path to redemption. That's all been
Speaker 1: put to bed. So the next story involves someone else
Speaker 1: who I think I will keep their name out of
Speaker 1: it just to you know, protect the guilty or he's
Speaker 1: innocent and guilty in this regard. It's a story full
Speaker 1: of gray characters, I believe. So this guy roached out
Speaker 1: on the guild twice in Dungeons, and my sort of
Speaker 1: red flags were up about him from the very start
Speaker 1: because the second he joined the guild, I sort of
Speaker 1: sort of had no idea where he came from. And
Speaker 1: he just joined the discord two seconds before joining the
Speaker 1: guilt and I whispered at him and I was like, hey, mate,
Speaker 1: just out of interest, how did you find the guilds?
Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, just on YouTube? And I go, oh,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? Have you been watching the podcast
Speaker 1: for a long time on YouTube? And he goes, no,
Speaker 1: I just found a video and just then and just
Speaker 1: watched five minutes of it and decided to join the guild.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh God, these are the exact
Speaker 1: kinds of people I'm not wanting to get into guild.
Speaker 1: So I said to Laz, I'm gonna g kick this
Speaker 1: guy after this maridn run because he's just a fucking random.
Speaker 1: I wound up not doing it because I felt bad,
Speaker 1: and I should have listened to my gut, because what
Speaker 1: proceeded to happen over the next week was he started
Speaker 1: joining guild dungeon runs and sorry Kleptor roaching out. I mean,
Speaker 1: he just bailed on Guilties in the middle of dungeon runs.
Speaker 1: So he went to a couple of higher level dungeons
Speaker 1: with the boys. He was tanking a UBRS with Gigantor
Speaker 1: and Gigantor you said, he just fucking literally disappeared in
Speaker 1: the middle of the run, never came back and never
Speaker 1: said anything.
Speaker 14: Right, it was Avid, but yeah, he kind of dc
Speaker 14: say anything when he came back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, So ditched out on those guys
Speaker 1: while he was tanking, no less, and then another one
Speaker 1: was with lads, I believe where he just fucking yeah,
Speaker 1: they they had a wipe, and you know, it's funny
Speaker 1: how the people don't ditch when things are going well,
Speaker 1: but after a knee wipe, he just bounced and then
Speaker 1: never to be heard from again.
Speaker 6: Right, lads, Yeah, we had a we killed the boss
Speaker 6: was a wipe. I was the last one alive and
Speaker 6: it's kind of bubbled and got the last like two
Speaker 6: percent killed the boss and strata undead and then uh,
Speaker 6: you know, then the ads overwhelming because I was along
Speaker 6: with that a healer. So then so we run back
Speaker 6: and the rogue pug got was mad, so he left
Speaker 6: and then jed a green and then so then I asked,
Speaker 6: he goes, all right, let's keep going. Should we get
Speaker 6: another person or do you want to end it there?
Speaker 6: And he had known that I needed I need that engine.
Speaker 6: And so he didn't answer nothing, and I was with
Speaker 6: another guilty swamp. He's like down. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm definitely I'm down. Let's keep going. So he just
Speaker 6: did it. I whispered him party chat DM and discord
Speaker 6: like just nothing nothing after like ten minutes, and so
Speaker 6: we replaced them and another in the rogue and then
Speaker 6: we you know, smooth sailing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there was no no agreement to ditch the
Speaker 1: dungeon or anything. He just left.
Speaker 6: He didn't say the word no. The next day I said,
Speaker 6: like he messaged. He messed me, was like, hey, hey,
Speaker 6: you want to do a dungeon. I was like, well,
Speaker 6: what happened yesterday? You know you're okay? Like I was
Speaker 6: being nice, like I didn't say anything bad. I just
Speaker 6: said like, are you okay? You like left us, like
Speaker 6: what's going on? And then crickets didn't say anything, Yeah,
Speaker 6: respond to that. And then it was the next day
Speaker 6: that you did.
Speaker 1: All this went down. And this is the thing that
Speaker 1: rankles me is this, and this is very very typical
Speaker 1: of the average Wold gamer. As soon as confrontation brewing,
Speaker 1: they disappear people genuinely. Is once they get a sniff
Speaker 1: of someone accusing them of being an asshole, they just
Speaker 1: stop responding to messages. So I DMD this guy on
Speaker 1: Discord when I heard this story from Laz and Gi
Speaker 1: Gantor said, yeah, that guy did that to me as well.
Speaker 1: So I DMed him and said, hey, man, did you
Speaker 1: bail on the guys in a dungeon yesterday? And like
Speaker 1: just over twenty four hours went by and he didn't reply.
Speaker 1: And he contacts me in game for dungeons all the
Speaker 1: time as well, and I hadn't. I think I'd done
Speaker 1: one or two with him in like the forties, and
Speaker 1: I whispered him in game and I said, hey man,
Speaker 1: I reached out to you on Discord trying you now
Speaker 1: in game. Have did you bounce on a couple of
Speaker 1: the guys in a strata or whatever yesterday? And he
Speaker 1: eventually replied to me and he goes like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we agreed that we were to come, that we were
Speaker 1: going to ditch it and come back and finish it
Speaker 1: off later. And I said, that's not what I'm being told.
Speaker 1: And I'm also being told that you bounced on the
Speaker 1: guys while you were tanking a fucking dungeon with them,
Speaker 1: the other day and just never said anything. And he's like,
Speaker 1: he said something along the lines of like sorry if
Speaker 1: I've offended anyone, And I just said, look, man, like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just gonna guild kick you because, like
Speaker 1: you know, you've done it a couple of times now,
Speaker 1: and it's not so much that you're bouncing as much
Speaker 1: as you're just like you're avoiding the topic. You're not
Speaker 1: talking to anyone, and your excuse is a shit house.
Speaker 1: So I g kicked him on the spot. And this
Speaker 1: is where things get weird. So this is where I
Speaker 1: become a little bit of the villain as well. So
Speaker 1: at this point he then drops the line to me, oh,
Speaker 1: but I just deposited twenty guild in the guild bank.
Speaker 1: Give that back to me now. Upon receiving that comment,
Speaker 1: I need to set the stay.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I'm the fuck we here. This
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent me being a fucking idiot. But
Speaker 1: I need to tell you what was in my mind. Well,
Speaker 1: I have played at this point like two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty hours of this server. Not once has anyone on
Speaker 1: the podcast in guild Chad or anything, to my recollection
Speaker 1: or to my knowledge mentioned the word guild bank. I
Speaker 1: did not think guild banks existed in this version of
Speaker 1: the game. I'm so used to playing versions of Wow
Speaker 1: Classic that don't have guild banks, and everyone bitches about
Speaker 1: why is there no guild bank? Why is there no
Speaker 1: guild bank? We want guild banks. Nobody said anything about
Speaker 1: guild banks. I just presume they're not in the game.
Speaker 1: So I reply to this guy, what the fuck are
Speaker 1: you talking about twenty guilds twenty gold in the guild bank,
Speaker 1: Like we don't have a guild bank, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: we do, and I've deposited twenty gold in it. I
Speaker 1: want my money back. And I'm like, make you full
Speaker 1: of shit, Go fuck yourself, Go get fucked. And I said,
Speaker 1: do you mean you've sent me like you've mailed me
Speaker 1: twenty gold And I said, if you've mailed me money,
Speaker 1: I will just send it back to you straight away.
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, it's in the guild bank. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck off, idiot, you don't know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. Go fuck yourself. Stop lying to me. And
Speaker 1: then this guy goes I he DMS me after this
Speaker 1: exchange in game a few hours later, and he goes,
Speaker 1: I'm going to need that fifty gold back and I replied, wait,
Speaker 1: what I thought it was twenty gold, So now it's
Speaker 1: magically turned into fifty gold. He goes, yeah, you're going
Speaker 1: to need to get that money back to me, or
Speaker 1: I'm going to report you on Epoch. You and laz
Speaker 1: are going down for scheming me out of my money.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what the I'm literally like, there is
Speaker 1: no guild bank, Like what there? We don't have a
Speaker 1: guild bank. What the fuck are you talking about? And
Speaker 1: he's like, I deposited money and you are to get
Speaker 1: it back to me or else. And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: report away.
Speaker 13: Fuck.
Speaker 1: We're like, I'm sick of you. Go fuck yourself. You're
Speaker 1: a piece of shit. I'll go, you're clearly lying. You're
Speaker 1: changing the amount of gold that I owe you. This
Speaker 1: is all a made up story. Go fuck yourself. I'm
Speaker 1: fucking done. And I got pretty. I got like I
Speaker 1: was relatively measured, but I you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: I am aggressive and I don't hold back with the
Speaker 1: swearing when I think I'm dealing with it.
Speaker 2: Can't.
Speaker 1: So this guy then creates a post in the looking
Speaker 1: for Guild channel of the Epoch Discord and he goes
Speaker 1: The funniest part is his title, where he goes, I
Speaker 1: gave twenty golds to the Countdown Guild and they g
Speaker 1: kicked me, And I'm like, why would anyone g kick
Speaker 1: you for giving the guild's twenty gold? Completely left out
Speaker 1: the part about why we actually g kicked him, and
Speaker 1: he posted screenshots of my discord dms with him, and
Speaker 1: he tried to throw me and the guild under the bus, saying,
Speaker 1: you know where fuck weds don't deal with these guys
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And at least like the guys on
Speaker 1: the Epoch Discord were like, something smells really fishy here,
Speaker 1: like we definitely feel like we're not getting the whole story.
Speaker 1: You sound like a bit of a fuck with blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. I get tagged in the Epoch fucking Discord
Speaker 1: by a random who's like, look, this guy's in the
Speaker 1: in the discord. At least tag him so he can
Speaker 1: respond to you. So I go, oh, my god, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for tagging me. I never would have
Speaker 1: seen this if you hadn't have tagged me. Allow me
Speaker 1: to respond. So I give the story right and and
Speaker 1: I find out when I sort of look at this
Speaker 1: guy's screenshots of the dms, he's deleted. People don't realize
Speaker 1: he can do this. He's deleted portions of his replies
Speaker 1: in the dms to make himself look better. So I
Speaker 1: posted the og dms and I go, look, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, we're dealing with the guy who
Speaker 1: hasn't told you why he was actually g kicked, is
Speaker 1: changing the amount of money from what he says we
Speaker 1: owe him, and is editing dms to make himself look better.
Speaker 1: Like I kind of rest my case that this guy's
Speaker 1: the problem. I'm fucking done with him. He can go
Speaker 1: fuck himself. That was the end of it. So then
Speaker 1: also I thought so. Then about an hour later, I
Speaker 1: think Vestige or Yak or someone tags me in a
Speaker 1: screenshot and the Guild in the countdown to Classic Discord
Speaker 1: and they go, ah, Josh, you're probably gonna want to
Speaker 1: see this, and as a screenshot of a Guild bank
Speaker 1: with twenty gold deposited in it, with a timestamp and
Speaker 1: everything by old mate that we're just gkicked, and they're like, Josh,
Speaker 1: you might want to talk about this, he said, I've
Speaker 1: gotten Nah, no fuck, So guild banks do exist. I
Speaker 1: thought this guy was smoking crack, so he had actually
Speaker 1: deposited twenty gold in the guild bank. How However, the
Speaker 1: one interesting wrinkle was the timestamp showed that he deposited
Speaker 1: the cash after he found out that he was in
Speaker 1: trouble for broaching out on people in dungeons, and he
Speaker 1: mentioned something. I wish I could remember the specific wording,
Speaker 1: but he mentioned something to me when I whispered him
Speaker 1: in game about oh, look, I've just deposited some money
Speaker 1: in the guild bank. Can we just get over this
Speaker 1: and just you know, everyone's you know, everyone said some things.
Speaker 1: Can we just kind of stay in the guild and
Speaker 1: you know, it's all good. So he was like basically
Speaker 1: trying to buy his way back into the guild or
Speaker 1: back into our favor. And as soon as we found
Speaker 1: this out, I DMD youb straight away and said, can't.
Speaker 1: You're the only one with access to this gil old
Speaker 1: bank that I didn't even know existed. Can you please
Speaker 1: get this dickhead's money back to him as soon as possible,
Speaker 1: and you be logged on that night and sent it
Speaker 1: back to him straight away. I DMD the guy and said, listen,
Speaker 1: fuck with You've got your cash now, I've got no
Speaker 1: regrets about kicking you out of the guild. You're a
Speaker 1: fucking massive widow. Go fuck yourself and never talk to
Speaker 1: me again. And that's the story. So I absolutely kangaroo
Speaker 1: caught myself for really, you know, nailing in on that
Speaker 1: there are no guild banks. Fuck off you line, kunt
Speaker 1: when this guy was actually telling the truth. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of extenuating circumstances in my mind that still
Speaker 1: make him more of a villain in the story than me.
Speaker 1: But long story short, everyone knows. Look, guys, I'm one
Speaker 1: of the driving forces behind this guild and I'm just
Speaker 1: a huge tool at the end of the day and
Speaker 1: should be treated as such. Is that fair.
Speaker 6: For sure? And I have to plead guilty as well
Speaker 6: because I was egging you on the whole time. There's
Speaker 6: definitely no guild bank. I do they existed, but I
Speaker 6: know we had one. I was like, egging you want Tony,
Speaker 6: we don't have a guild bank.
Speaker 1: Ah, well that's the thing it was. But that was
Speaker 1: a difference in semantics because some people were like, they
Speaker 1: don't exist, and some people were like, they exist, but
Speaker 1: we don't have one because we haven't started using it yet.
Speaker 1: But it turns out this guy was the only guy
Speaker 1: that had done anything with it. And as as people said,
Speaker 1: how weird is it of him unsolicited to throw twenty gold,
Speaker 1: which is not a small amount into the guild bank
Speaker 1: in a game where there's no rating yet.
Speaker 6: I mean, everybody knows when you get in trouble with
Speaker 6: the guild, you take money out, you don't put money in.
Speaker 6: He's doing it the wrong way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, lay into me, Vestige, someone anyone fucking give
Speaker 1: it to me. How much of a cockhead? Am I?
Speaker 9: I think you need to deposit twenty g into the bank?
Speaker 6: I'll tell you my last words to him, as he
Speaker 6: was like excusing me of so he was benthesh. He
Speaker 6: was trying to like gasolate me into this whole story
Speaker 6: about how we agreed on separate time to finish the
Speaker 6: dungeon or anything. I just said, listen, listen, man, I'm
Speaker 6: just gonna quote you on what you said, and then
Speaker 6: I put them on ignore.
Speaker 1: Oh there you go, Vestige. What are you gonna say.
Speaker 10: I'm gonna say you're bad for giving them money back?
Speaker 1: Man, Oh, you wouldn't have given it back.
Speaker 10: No, after all that crap, I'd be like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 10: it's your feet, it's your guilt.
Speaker 1: Kick fee oh dear. Anyway, so that was that was
Speaker 1: my dalliance with a wow weirdo this week. And you
Speaker 1: could argue that I was maybe a little bit of
Speaker 1: a weirdo myself there in that story. But that was
Speaker 1: a bit of fun. Guys. If nobody, does anybody else
Speaker 1: have any funny stories about guilty's or runs that they've
Speaker 1: done with them over the past week, Gigantle, you could
Speaker 1: even have a laugh at me for blowing myself up
Speaker 1: when I tried. I literally pressed enslave demon the button
Speaker 1: for the first time in my life yesterday in that dune,
Speaker 1: and it did not work out well for me.
Speaker 4: It was literally just telling the guys before we started
Speaker 4: this podcast about it.
Speaker 1: I now understand how that ability works, but I actually
Speaker 1: hate it. Everyone's like, oh, mate, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: fucking enslave the infernal in uh in barton Hold. It
Speaker 1: is so big and so annoying, and I can't use
Speaker 1: soule link on it, so I do five percent less
Speaker 1: damage on everything else outside of the Infernal's abilities. I
Speaker 1: fucking hate it. I'm not convinced it's the metaphor that dungeon.
Speaker 10: Well, the aura it gives you is pretty great.
Speaker 1: Well, that it's its own. Yeah, it's only the aura
Speaker 1: that is the reason you would do it, And the
Speaker 1: aura is fantastic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you deal last damies. But the group as a
Speaker 4: whole is.
Speaker 1: True, true, true, true, true.
Speaker 8: We can't have that.
Speaker 1: We can't have that.
Speaker 10: Oh I thought it was.
Speaker 1: Isn't it the aura? Just if you get hit, you
Speaker 1: deal damage or not.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a tank thing as opposed to it. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess it's a group thing as well.
Speaker 10: But yeah, yeah, it's basically an insane thorns.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I guess I guess it's
Speaker 1: fair then in that case, yes, it probably isn't beta.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll keep doing it. But the fucking the
Speaker 1: infernal is so big and it's so annoying to re
Speaker 1: enslave it every five minutes. It's just anyway, whatever.
Speaker 4: He was clipping through walls because he was so big.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he ran through a wall and pulled a next like,
Speaker 1: he pulled the next room on us, and everyone was like, uh,
Speaker 1: what's going on. I literally watched him apparate through a wall.
Speaker 10: We had our warlock get his infernal stuck in the
Speaker 10: doorway and just had like release it and captured again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stuck. Well the thing, yeah, the thing people don't
Speaker 1: realize is that. And Jack Antorein and I have talked
Speaker 1: about this very briefly previously on the podcast. Pets do
Speaker 1: seem to have rather outrageous agro rangers and let alone
Speaker 1: with the size of this infernal. At one stage, the
Speaker 1: tank ran through the corridor and tried to skip pulling
Speaker 1: the side rooms, and as soon as I walked through
Speaker 1: with my infernal, they all ran out and agro at
Speaker 1: the infernal and someone had to go at me and
Speaker 1: was like, why the fuck did you pull those I'm like, mate,
Speaker 1: I didn't fucking do it on purpose, you idiot, Like
Speaker 1: what do you want me to do? Fucking walking through
Speaker 1: tight corridors with the old incredible hole here by my side?
Speaker 1: I can't control him, but yeah, it's I still love
Speaker 1: barretton Hold. I can't. I don't think we've talked about
Speaker 1: it on the pod. Did we discuss barrodon Hold last
Speaker 1: week on the podcast? And did I get to glaze
Speaker 1: it enough as aggressor loves me to do? Yes, we
Speaker 1: did talk about it. Okay, yes, ten out of ten,
Speaker 1: please go and do it. Still just in love with it.
Speaker 1: The music is phenomen and all. It's just in terms
Speaker 1: of atmosphere, I just I don't know how they did it.
Speaker 1: It's fucking oh my god. Anyway, guys, let's open the
Speaker 1: floor and I want to get this is the part
Speaker 1: of the podcast where we get a bit more casual
Speaker 1: and we talk about it, whatever the fuck you want
Speaker 1: to talk about. Does anyone have issues or things they
Speaker 1: want to talk about with their class, or with the
Speaker 1: Epoch dev team, or with the roadmap or whatever. What's
Speaker 1: come up this week that you've seen that you want
Speaker 1: to talk about.
Speaker 10: Well, I will say that I did run my first
Speaker 10: Bird and Hold last night, and it is a beautiful,
Speaker 10: beautiful looking dungeon.
Speaker 1: Oh so I didn't overglaze this one.
Speaker 10: No, no, I actually really like it, except for the
Speaker 10: fucking monkeys.
Speaker 1: I did not like the monkeys than the barrels.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: I think? I think it's funny. I think it's funny.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I know it was more like what it
Speaker 10: was kind of the out of context that that happened.
Speaker 10: But but just the the lighting in the place, the music,
Speaker 10: and it looks so professionally done that it was kind
Speaker 10: of shocking.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Be careful. Be careful. You're encroaching into positive territory.
Speaker 1: He vestige, I know, I know, be careful.
Speaker 6: It's a Monkey Island reference.
Speaker 10: Oh okay, that makes sense with the pirates, I guess,
Speaker 10: but the.
Speaker 1: Goat got you got.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say.
Speaker 15: My only gripe with the place is they didn't have
Speaker 15: the mini map fixed for it, so you can't use
Speaker 15: it while you're in there.
Speaker 1: Well, the mini map doesn't work in any dungeon, does it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't really been checking, don't.
Speaker 10: I don't believe they do, but they I think they
Speaker 10: always sad they were going to upload the maps. But
Speaker 10: it works, Okay, don't work in customer, I think, because
Speaker 10: they never did not in the customers.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, Barton, hold look, the loot is great.
Speaker 1: The trash is super appropriately difficult in that. Again, if
Speaker 1: you switched on, it's a pushover. If you're not, they'll
Speaker 1: fuck you up.
Speaker 4: That's a good assessment.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you have to be paying attention when you're doing
Speaker 10: these dungeons. If you're watching Netflix on a separate screen
Speaker 10: or doing something.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, there are there are prior kill targets, as
Speaker 1: lads will fucking always point out that, Look, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: if you don't kill this mob first, you probably get
Speaker 1: through the pool. But like it makes it infinitely easier
Speaker 1: if you just kill this warlock or this cannoneer or
Speaker 1: whatever first.
Speaker 15: Preach something that makes me really happy about the dungeon
Speaker 15: if they made it like a capstone dungeon for professions.
Speaker 15: So like, I'm not going to say what it is,
Speaker 15: but there are items that are related to your professions
Speaker 15: that you have to go in the bear.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm still chasing my fucking tailoring one that
Speaker 1: I really want, and i keep seeing the leather working
Speaker 1: one drop and I'm like, no, you got your leather
Speaker 1: working one in the run yesterday with me gigantor I did.
Speaker 4: Indeed, I am a very happy person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I filled in for you guys, so you
Speaker 1: can you owe me a solid fucking reach around.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm gonna be helping out a bunch of
Speaker 4: guilties now.
Speaker 13: That I got that thing.
Speaker 1: No, it's all good. The I did enjoy again this
Speaker 1: you got a flash of aggressive Josh Gigantor when I
Speaker 1: joined your group. And the first thing I saw when
Speaker 1: I joined the group was what looked to be a
Speaker 1: mild complaint from one of the clothies going oh great,
Speaker 1: like I'm paraphrasing oh great, another clothy and I'm like,
Speaker 1: hey man, so you go Gigantor.
Speaker 14: Oh prior to you joining the group, they were begging
Speaker 14: for a warlock for your your fellow hounds, and then
Speaker 14: immediately after you join, one of them cries out, oh,
Speaker 14: too many coothies.
Speaker 4: I'm like, make up your fucking mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I chimed in because I'm a caunt and
Speaker 1: I said, I didn't say it like horribly, but I said,
Speaker 1: I think this is pretty much verbatim. Look, you can
Speaker 1: either go into the dungeon have my damage and get
Speaker 1: it done, or you cannot have me sit here and
Speaker 1: not fill and miss out on any chance and loot,
Speaker 1: which would you prefer? And I think that kind of
Speaker 1: shut them up. Yeah, it worked out, so yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I was just happy to see it again. It's
Speaker 1: it's now the second time I've done it, and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm really really, really really happy that that's a new
Speaker 1: addition to the game, and It's got me excited for
Speaker 1: any new rates or whatever that might be coming in
Speaker 1: future content. Clepta, I see you asking in twitch chat
Speaker 1: what's going on with Epoch is a cross faction? Are
Speaker 1: you being trolled?
Speaker 5: To know?
Speaker 1: You are not being trolled? It is absolutely a cross
Speaker 1: faction server on the PvE server, Kazan Hoarden Alliance can
Speaker 1: group together quest together, being a guild together. It's one
Speaker 1: of the stronger points of the server in my personal opinion.
Speaker 1: So you're not yeah on Gurubashi, it's not the case.
Speaker 1: Oh you are playing Okay. I thought you didn't know
Speaker 1: anything about Epoch for a second, all right, so you
Speaker 1: understand the lay of the land. There you go anyway.
Speaker 1: So that's our story about the barret and hold run.
Speaker 1: Anyone else got anything, lest just throw it out to
Speaker 1: the where the pub boys we're on the beers talk
Speaker 1: about your week in Epoch. Who's got something for me?
Speaker 6: I got a ramp ug so about but I'll tell it.
Speaker 6: You're getting salve and you're gonna like it. People freak
Speaker 6: out when I bless them. Play a prop paladin and
Speaker 6: I do a like guild runs, but also a pug
Speaker 6: light and oneons and people freak out when I give.
Speaker 6: When I bless them, itselve it reduces your this is
Speaker 6: your threat why And they want they want they want
Speaker 6: might or wisdom or something that you know, and their
Speaker 6: mind is gonna be right. What they don't realize is
Speaker 6: that the way I look at is it's increasing your
Speaker 6: damage output potential by thirty percent. Yeah, it's better, Like
Speaker 6: it's so much.
Speaker 1: Better to people. Still, people still seriously realize how good
Speaker 1: salvise go man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called fuck you give me wisdom.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So this one, this one road was just wouldn't It
Speaker 6: was mostly a pug, but it also had green dwarf
Speaker 6: with with me feeling and he would not shut up
Speaker 6: about me get himself. I'm like, no, it's better, like
Speaker 6: I don't want my put selves. But he's like, don't
Speaker 6: cut your GPS. Man, Like brace your GPS. I'm not
Speaker 6: cutting you. It's it's better for you trust me, And
Speaker 6: he's like no, So for the first ball said fine,
Speaker 6: but remember you asked for this. So I give him
Speaker 6: mite and he's like all happy and everything. Thing he
Speaker 6: rips agro on. The boss dies within like thirty seconds
Speaker 6: and we kill the botts easily without him and then
Speaker 6: after that gave him put salve back on him. Another
Speaker 6: word was said.
Speaker 7: Just.
Speaker 6: Tail his legs never kept salva on the rest of
Speaker 6: the dungeon, and he didn't say the word. That's pretty
Speaker 6: much been my experience.
Speaker 1: That's it's ever no I embrace salve. I'm I think
Speaker 1: it's I thought I thought this was solved a long
Speaker 1: time ago. The salve is one of the best abilities
Speaker 1: in the game. But anyway, and that's why we all
Speaker 1: freaked out when Horde got you know, the Dashaman got
Speaker 1: their version of Salvin sod or whatever. Everyone's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. But anyway, uh smit, can I throw it
Speaker 1: to you for a second. I just want to before
Speaker 1: I forget, talk about something I hinted earlier in the
Speaker 1: way of priest healing. I rolled my priest alt. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I've abandoned two olds now, the Paladin and
Speaker 1: the Shaman. I've gone that's it, Priest is the wave
Speaker 1: of the future. Because I saw you, do you think
Speaker 1: in a sixty dungeon? I was like, that just looks
Speaker 1: fucking fun as shit. We've got Yak, We've got Vestige,
Speaker 1: we've got smite here, we've got sci fi, we've got
Speaker 1: a fifth you healing priests in this guild, although you
Speaker 1: might say Vestige is more of a DPS priest. But
Speaker 1: may talk to me about what you've noticed in terms
Speaker 1: of the contrast in experiences between you and other healers
Speaker 1: in these sixty dungeons. Now, I guess you wouldn't have
Speaker 1: seen other healers because you're a healer, but you know
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I would mainly classify myself more like Vestige. In
Speaker 11: most times, I'm trying to do deeps as much as
Speaker 11: I can. But I think one thing you were talking
Speaker 11: about before is that I think a lot of people
Speaker 11: are kind of scared to heal these dungeons, Like they
Speaker 11: are a little bit harder than normal, and people are kind.
Speaker 9: Of a free to them.
Speaker 1: That makes me run towards it like a firefighter towards
Speaker 1: the fire.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 11: But if you have a priest healing spec like, it's
Speaker 11: totally fine, Like you're gonna be able to, you know,
Speaker 11: use all your cool abilities like lightwell, you're laughing at
Speaker 11: lightwell the other day, and but and prayer of mending
Speaker 11: is really cool again, and all these cool abilities are
Speaker 11: going on. And but if you aren't, like if you're
Speaker 11: a dpspec, you'd be way harder in some of these
Speaker 11: sixty dungeons. So the dual spec is like super needed
Speaker 11: for them.
Speaker 1: Basically from from the praise healing perspective, Smite, would you
Speaker 1: say that, I mean, not even necessarily praise, but I'm
Speaker 1: getting the impression, and I want to be shouted down
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong here, but I'm getting the impression that
Speaker 1: particularly with healing as opposed to tanking, and LAS can
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong in that regard. But I
Speaker 1: feel like the average healer, like, if you are a
Speaker 1: truly average helock, you are neither good nor bad, you
Speaker 1: are just average. I feel like the average classic wow
Speaker 1: HeLa will get found out on this server, and that
Speaker 1: like what when I look at the damage profiles that
Speaker 1: are going out in these sixty dungeons every time, I'm
Speaker 1: like this heler better be somewhat like clute on and
Speaker 1: know how to play their class because there's a fair
Speaker 1: bit to do here.
Speaker 9: You're spot on, dude, like.
Speaker 11: Like they're they're every second mob as frigging Mortal striking
Speaker 11: is just reckon tanks. So especially if you know the
Speaker 11: old meta was just a DPS and basically do the
Speaker 11: most DPS two tank stuff. You know, you'd have like
Speaker 11: rogue tanks and shaman tanks just cranking or just a
Speaker 11: lot of DPS warriors, but now you basically need to.
Speaker 11: It's really helpful if you actually have tank year and
Speaker 11: are tank specked, because otherwise some of these bosses are.
Speaker 5: Going to murder you.
Speaker 11: Yeah, if you aren't ready for it, that's that's really
Speaker 11: not good thing. And I think that's why there's such
Speaker 11: a shortage of healers. Like you look at LFG Chad
Speaker 11: and every single group is looking for a healer, sometimes
Speaker 11: two healers, because you know, it's just it. And I
Speaker 11: don't blame them. If you're not experienced and haven't been
Speaker 11: playing this game for as long as some of us have,
Speaker 11: it's kind of a scary thing.
Speaker 1: So this is the fair question where again it comes
Speaker 1: I always come back to in the back of my
Speaker 1: head the point raised by vestige on, like how hard
Speaker 1: should we push these players when we're talking about Classic
Speaker 1: Wow in terms of difficulty or engagement as you know,
Speaker 1: a healer or a tank or whatnot. Because I'm like,
Speaker 1: to me, that sounds like heaven. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that that's literally why I'm leveling a healer.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't wait. I really love my Warlock
Speaker 1: and I'm really enjoying living that DPS life for the
Speaker 1: first time ever. But also I'm gagging to try healing
Speaker 1: on this server because it looks engaging and fun in
Speaker 1: the kind of classic wow environment that I want to
Speaker 1: be in. But I do hear from lads, and you
Speaker 1: just mentioned there that like Lazz is like, guys, if
Speaker 1: you want a fucking rating spot or if you want
Speaker 1: a fucking dungeon spot at max level roller healer because
Speaker 1: there it is a ghost town out there as far
Speaker 1: as healers go. And I do wonder if they are
Speaker 1: being scared away because we do have the average wild
Speaker 1: classic gamer on this server who wants to cast one
Speaker 1: Greater Heel every five seconds while they're watching Netflix, and
Speaker 1: that does not fly here. So we're scaring away one
Speaker 1: of the rolls potentially.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's not. I mean, I at my Offspeck
Speaker 6: is healing and I just bought at the other day
Speaker 6: and healed my first dungeon the other day and without
Speaker 6: any practice or anything. Oh, I've healed another servers. It
Speaker 6: wasn't like it was definitely more engaging than Milan, must
Speaker 6: be more fun, but it it didn't. I definitely agree
Speaker 6: that dealers being intimidated to get away, but just those
Speaker 6: people think about healing, it's not. I didn't think it
Speaker 6: was anything crazy, Like I didn't have good gear, but
Speaker 6: I did have a spec. I definitely needed the spec
Speaker 6: and it was not It was challenging, but it was
Speaker 6: not impossible and it was not certainly not any more
Speaker 6: challenging than tanking.
Speaker 8: It was ah, I mean you, it was also a
Speaker 8: br D run and the and the tank was barely
Speaker 8: taking damage because an Holy weapon and Chant is fucking busted.
Speaker 9: But I agree you.
Speaker 8: Literally you disconnected on a boss fight and it didn't
Speaker 8: matter because the tank didn't take damage.
Speaker 2: And then he got mine being told and it went.
Speaker 8: To the next DPS and it didn't matter because he
Speaker 8: also was a dual wheel on Holy weapon in Chant
Speaker 8: have her and he didn't take damage either.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I've had a healer die on bosses in ubers. I
Speaker 6: just self fields. I'm just saying like it wasn't anything
Speaker 6: different than tank, Like it took a lot, like you
Speaker 6: had to be plugged in, but like it wasn't impossible.
Speaker 6: So if you want to heal and you're just being
Speaker 6: scared away, it's not the guns are not possible.
Speaker 2: You can do it, certainly not impossible. They're just they
Speaker 2: can be a little stressful as the healer. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of.
Speaker 1: I'll just say, fucking yeah, I agree lads in terms
Speaker 1: of like, I don't feel it doesn't look like it's
Speaker 1: asking too much of the healer. But again I'm not
Speaker 1: I don't think they should like But by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything should be changed. I think, like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gushing over the difficulty of this server.
Speaker 1: I think everything is fucking perfect and I can't believe
Speaker 1: they nailed it as much as they did. But it's
Speaker 1: it's a lot of instances where they're not asking that
Speaker 1: much of the players. This isn't retail, but also, the
Speaker 1: average Classic Wow gamer is pretty fucking ordinary at the game,
Speaker 1: and asking anything more than not much is a stretch
Speaker 1: at times.
Speaker 5: Again, say it's a good moment, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean you what would I want to hope it
Speaker 1: pushes people to get better and want to learn their
Speaker 1: class or whatever. But yeah, I just think I think
Speaker 1: the average Classic Wow healer really really does just want
Speaker 1: to stand there and cast spam greater heal every three
Speaker 1: to four seconds and not have to think. And this
Speaker 1: I think when you get a moment. There's a great
Speaker 1: moment in a fight and smite and you guys, you'll
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. There's a great moment in
Speaker 1: a fight where like you're at fifty percent manner, the
Speaker 1: boss is at fifty percent health and an AOI ability
Speaker 1: has just gone out and everyone's at forty to fifty
Speaker 1: percent health, and now triaging comes into effect and decisions
Speaker 1: have to be made, and it's like, yeah, sure you'll
Speaker 1: hit your prayer of healing and get everyone up that way,
Speaker 1: but you know, the boss continues to hit and now
Speaker 1: it's you know that dealing with the pressure of Okay,
Speaker 1: I have a decision to be made every one and
Speaker 1: a half seconds. Let's hope I mostly make the correct
Speaker 1: decision that I really enjoy that a lot of players
Speaker 1: I think would Again, I am not a god gamer,
Speaker 1: but I'm paying attention and I feel like the average
Speaker 1: wild classic HeLa would like wilt under that pressure.
Speaker 9: Definitely true, man.
Speaker 11: And you know what, like I found that like just
Speaker 11: having uh, there's some potions like I think they're pretty
Speaker 11: good ones on the auction house for like three silver
Speaker 11: apiece for like decent man of potions. Just having a
Speaker 11: couple of stacks of those just makes dungeons way easier,
Speaker 11: like so much less stressful.
Speaker 5: Vestige shines.
Speaker 1: You'd never run a vestige. Are you in the group
Speaker 1: without saying his name? Are you now finding yourself in
Speaker 1: the group of the man that we were just discussing
Speaker 1: that we kicked out of the guild? Yes, I am
Speaker 1: all right, choices, choices.
Speaker 10: I don't know, That's what I'm underbating right now.
Speaker 1: Do you do you let people know that we just
Speaker 1: kicked him because he bails out on dungeons? Or do
Speaker 1: you say nothing? Or what what do you do? Do
Speaker 1: you do you do the run? I mean, there's no
Speaker 1: there was no edicts laid out that we shall never
Speaker 1: do content with this man again. I know I never will,
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to force that on the guild
Speaker 1: by any means.
Speaker 10: No, I'm gonna I'm gonna uphold my standards with the
Speaker 10: guild and declare him a fuck with in the party
Speaker 10: chat right now.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, But remember we just told a story about
Speaker 1: me ditching you, so you don't have to defend my
Speaker 1: honor here.
Speaker 10: No, fuck your honor. I'm defending guilds on her.
Speaker 1: There you go, very good, thank God, thank god. Oh dear,
Speaker 1: oh dear. Yeah, don't go to scorch to earth whatever.
Speaker 1: But I'm not what was I gonna say?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 1: Where were we?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But like.
Speaker 1: I just I got scared off of the shaman healing.
Speaker 1: Also watching I forgot, like seeing the tiki tac way
Speaker 1: that Axel had to deal with chain heel and I'm
Speaker 1: so used to chain heel in more modern versions of
Speaker 1: the game, where like that shit spreads everywhere whereas like
Speaker 1: chain heel here is like he's and I'm so bad
Speaker 1: at this. Axel's like begging me, like Josh, please stand
Speaker 1: closer to someone else, like my chain heel is not
Speaker 1: hitting you, And I would just hate that if I
Speaker 1: were a heeler to have to like coax grouping and
Speaker 1: shit on my AoE ability.
Speaker 2: Well, it adds a layer of.
Speaker 8: Thought to the game though, too, right where it's like, okay,
Speaker 8: well I'm going to stand between the melee and Josh
Speaker 8: because otherwise this chain heel isn't going to bounce where
Speaker 8: it needs to go.
Speaker 1: Look at look at Vestige standing on principle. He bounced
Speaker 1: from the party because old Nate was there and he
Speaker 1: let them know about it. Okay, I've never a tear
Speaker 1: in my eye, Vestige. I've never been more proud of you.
Speaker 1: There we go. Some might call it harsh. I am
Speaker 1: a kunt who says it's not harsh, and you reput
Speaker 1: you so, but there you go. Guys. Please anyone bring
Speaker 1: up what anything that's bothered you or that you've loved
Speaker 1: on Epoch this week. It's an open forum. Everyone might
Speaker 1: be shy. Jack, have you seen anything any any give
Speaker 1: me a give me a trial of triumph for tribulation
Speaker 1: with you and Maizie on the Leveling Journey. How's that
Speaker 1: coming along? We've lost Jack, That's all right.
Speaker 11: I've been like enjoying the auction House game because like
Speaker 11: right now there is kind of a dip but and
Speaker 11: an MC is coming.
Speaker 9: So I'm trying to like find matts and stuff that
Speaker 9: I think.
Speaker 11: Are like gonna increase in value a lot. I'm like
Speaker 11: really going hard and deep into the old elemental fires.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 11: There's these weird things called dark iron potatoes that like
Speaker 11: are basically selling for vendors and like are they gonna
Speaker 11: be Is there gonna be some you know, like are
Speaker 11: you using these weird potatoes or I don't know, like
Speaker 11: I think dark iron scraps, like they're selling.
Speaker 9: For like one copper a piece.
Speaker 11: Sometimes I'm just scooping those up and just like come on,
Speaker 11: baby stocks, you know, but probably gonna be worthless and
Speaker 11: just you know, me crying two weeks in advance or whatever, like.
Speaker 9: Selling them to the vendor, you know, but whatever, I'm having.
Speaker 4: Fun so you can feats. So they are technically food,
Speaker 4: they are what.
Speaker 5: Oh no way, okay, so they are a.
Speaker 4: Program to be a food. There's just nothing out yet.
Speaker 1: For them, right right right? Yeah, I have seen them.
Speaker 1: I am interested by them as well. Now what else
Speaker 1: is making you money? Let's let's blow Axel secrets out
Speaker 1: of the way. Who apparently is making one hundred gold
Speaker 1: a day?
Speaker 9: I've been relying on the mooncloth.
Speaker 11: I wouldn't got that tailing ring you were talking about
Speaker 11: from Verdon Wold where it makes two mooncloth, and then
Speaker 11: just my other mooncloth recipe has just been you know,
Speaker 11: like that's been my main gold source this whole time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd be nowhere, in all honesty, i'd be I'd
Speaker 1: be fucking broke as shit if I hadn't gone tailoring
Speaker 1: and doing the mooncloth called down. Like I said, I'm
Speaker 1: not playing my warlock now unless someone hits me up
Speaker 1: for a dungeon run. I'm basically leveling the old and
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to play as much because I'm
Speaker 1: under the pump with university work. But it's definitely like
Speaker 1: money is light on my account, so I really appreciate
Speaker 1: that fucking moon close cool down axel is it? Someone said?
Speaker 1: Is it true? Are you making around about one hundred
Speaker 1: gold to day?
Speaker 8: I'd probably make one to two hundred on any day
Speaker 8: I bother to make gold. Oh money, that's probably for
Speaker 8: like fifteen to twenty minutes worth of doing.
Speaker 1: Are you still doing the same weird leather working and chanting?
Speaker 8: Fl same exact But yeah, if anything, it's getting more profitable.
Speaker 1: As time goes to you son of a b okay,
Speaker 1: because I know you want to say it, because you'll
Speaker 1: get an erection as soon as you do. How much
Speaker 1: gold have you got now?
Speaker 8: I mean I wasn't going to but if you're asking,
Speaker 8: I've got about twelve hundred gold.
Speaker 1: Oh man, well you that's pretty good that's pretty fucking
Speaker 1: I think I've got what have I got one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty.
Speaker 2: And that's you know.
Speaker 8: I bought my epic mountht the moment I hit sexty,
Speaker 8: and I got my Duelspeck, and I bought a bunch
Speaker 8: of unnecessary in chants that I haven't profited at all,
Speaker 8: but it's just wanted to have them use I've been
Speaker 8: enchanting other people, so it's been helping the guild. I'm
Speaker 8: just sending gold to people now.
Speaker 1: And oh you sweet, I.
Speaker 8: Don't know how much money fucking tune it was me
Speaker 8: at this point.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, how funny.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Speaking of a chance, we should just shout out for
Speaker 1: everyone's you know, take this as a bit of a
Speaker 1: guild noticeboard, guys. I forgot to mention on the show.
Speaker 1: I have Crusader. I spent one hundred and forty gold
Speaker 1: on it. I wiped it like ten days ago, wiped
Speaker 1: out all my money, spent it all on Crusader so
Speaker 1: I didn't have to go and farm it. So the
Speaker 1: guild has a Crusader in chance, So do not pay
Speaker 1: anyone else for it. Please just find me either. Whisper
Speaker 1: Smellie bum in game or DM me on Discord. I
Speaker 1: will log on if it's in Oceanic hours, and I
Speaker 1: will give you Crusader. Just bring me the mats, and
Speaker 1: I believe that I've also got superior striking. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's that rare. But Axel or someone else had
Speaker 1: some other key ones. Remind me who had a sea.
Speaker 2: And Holy are the big ones that I have.
Speaker 7: You have.
Speaker 8: A Standout.
Speaker 1: And Tsunami has which one?
Speaker 2: All the like reputation ones, I think specifically the argent.
Speaker 1: So if you need in chance, guys, hit up Axel.
Speaker 1: Like basically, you only really need me if you need Crusader,
Speaker 1: which is different on this server. It's only for two
Speaker 1: handed weapons. So come to me for Crusader. Maybe hit
Speaker 1: up Axel or Tsunami for anything else. But yeah, an
Speaker 1: Axel sorry, just a shocks McGee is Axel's character, so
Speaker 1: just remember that one. Yeah, I couldn't hear that from Leroy,
Speaker 1: but that's right. So we've got Vestige. I'll just read
Speaker 1: out your reply because it's quite funny. This was what
Speaker 1: Vestige wound up saying to our friend who got kicked
Speaker 1: from the guild. Sorry but I didn't know redacted was
Speaker 1: in this run. He is a known roach, so I
Speaker 1: would rather group with people who finish what they start,
Speaker 1: like I did with his mum last night. Vestige leaves
Speaker 1: the group well, well played, sir.
Speaker 10: It's really poetry, is it?
Speaker 1: Kind of? Is? It's Keatsian? If you will, I love it. So, guys, look,
Speaker 1: we won't go to go on too much longer. I
Speaker 1: think we've been going almost three hours. Now what are
Speaker 1: we now? Two hours forty minutes, will start to wind
Speaker 1: it up. If nobody has anything to say, let me know,
Speaker 1: but speak now forever hold your silence. Any final points
Speaker 1: from this week in Epoch, anything I've forgotten, No, keep leveling, guys, everyone,
Speaker 1: please keep it now. Look, I know we touched on
Speaker 1: a lot of things in this podcast about populations and
Speaker 1: fucking what's going on with Epoch and the roadmap and
Speaker 1: all the shit. If you haven't heard the multiple times
Speaker 1: through the last three hours that we've said so the
Speaker 1: content of this server is still impeccable. We are all
Speaker 1: still having a fucking amazing time. Do not get caught
Speaker 1: up in the noise of the subreddit or whoever wants
Speaker 1: to fucking just be a dooma about oh my God,
Speaker 1: this server's dead. This server's dead, deed at dead. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, imagine playing here. I'm going to ambush here
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, I know, I'm playing on
Speaker 1: Epoch for a reason, and it's for the content. And
Speaker 1: this content right now is unmatched anywhere online, be it
Speaker 1: official or unofficial servers. No private server, and no official
Speaker 1: Blizzard server is delivering you the kind of experience that
Speaker 1: you can get on Epoch. These look fucking mad men.
Speaker 1: Whoever the fuck they are, and whether or not they've
Speaker 1: bailed from the project, they've either through skill, an accident,
Speaker 1: or a combination of the two, managed to cook up
Speaker 1: what is a fucking phenomenal server. If the bugs were
Speaker 1: happens to be fixed on top of the fun of
Speaker 1: the content, we'd all just be sitting here going like
Speaker 1: our minds are being blown. Imagine if all the talent
Speaker 1: trees worked as they were supposed to. Imagine if all
Speaker 1: the bugs were gone. Imagine if a couple of the
Speaker 1: bosses weren't unfortunately overtuned, like we'd all be sitting here
Speaker 1: saying this is the fucking greatest thing since sliced bread.
Speaker 1: I am having so much fun every dungeon I do.
Speaker 1: I have so much fun in Warlock and I just
Speaker 1: talk about warlocks for one second. Oh my god, we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about this. Look, I rolled a Warlock because
Speaker 1: I've always been intrigued by warlocks and I've never seriously
Speaker 1: played one before. I told you the story about how
Speaker 1: I had a Warlock in Classic because I multi boxed
Speaker 1: it years ago, never really played it alone, never leveled
Speaker 1: one properly, had no idea how warlocks worked. I just
Speaker 1: told you the story how I pressed Enslave Demon for
Speaker 1: the first time in my life yesterday, and about and Holt.
Speaker 1: Getting used to this class has been a joy. And
Speaker 1: like also, I will say that they are fucking broken.
Speaker 1: They are beyond broken on this server. They do so
Speaker 1: much damage. It's disgusting and like I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: meters and it's beyond a joke. I know it's one
Speaker 1: thing to call out AoE classes, and Vestige was fair
Speaker 1: to say this to me the other day, because I
Speaker 1: do spend a lot of time just staring at overall
Speaker 1: data because I'm really I get really caught up on
Speaker 1: overall damage in dungeons, because I'm like, this is why
Speaker 1: you take this class, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: they are making this dungeon run on the whole go
Speaker 1: that much quicker. But it's not just AoE, it's it's
Speaker 1: everything with the warlock. Like I'm pulling at certain points
Speaker 1: of some flights, I'm pulling one point two to one
Speaker 1: point one k dps when the next best person is
Speaker 1: doing five hundred. That's obviously seed of corruption, just being
Speaker 1: fucking broken. That's all well and good. That happens, we understand.
Speaker 1: But outside of seed and a few people have been like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you have your fun in your group polls.
Speaker 1: Single target it's a different story. No, it's fucking not.
Speaker 1: Warlocks are still topping the meters on single target. I
Speaker 1: think I've been beaten on like one or two fights
Speaker 1: by a shaman, you know, on on single target boss
Speaker 1: fights ninety to ninety five percent of the time, I
Speaker 1: am ten to fifteen percent, if not more, above the
Speaker 1: person who comes second. Like, warlocks are broken, they are
Speaker 1: fucking busted. If you want to pump roll a warlock,
Speaker 1: that's the only advice I can give you, But only
Speaker 1: play a warlock if you actually like the class like that.
Speaker 1: That's all I can say is, have you guys noticed
Speaker 1: this that it's just out of control.
Speaker 7: Hell yeah, it's so fun.
Speaker 6: Same as CBC warlocks, I.
Speaker 1: Would say it's worse. I would say it's worse.
Speaker 10: It's worse than TVC.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's much more busted than how how good
Speaker 1: they were in TBC. It's it's no nobody can find
Speaker 1: I'm not like, I'm not trying to be like a
Speaker 1: DPS gloat because this, Like I said, I'm not the
Speaker 1: world's best warlock. I'm a new warlock who fucking doesn't
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. I'm still discovering buttons and even
Speaker 1: me in my new state, like, people can't touch me
Speaker 1: on the meters. That's how broken the class is.
Speaker 6: So I'm a group with arcade majors and hunters. Are
Speaker 6: you destroying them? To know?
Speaker 1: We had an arcane mage in the in the Barton
Speaker 1: Hold last night and he couldn't He got close. Don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, he got close, but I think I
Speaker 1: was still beating him by about ten percent on some
Speaker 1: of those bosses, right Giganta, He's gone, Yeah, I I've
Speaker 1: I've come up against an Elie Shaman. I've come again.
Speaker 1: I'm up against an arcane mage. With gear, and I
Speaker 1: just still think it's not particularly close. Now, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, I'm not like smoking them, but I still
Speaker 1: think like ten percent is a fairly big margin. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but anyway, enough sucking my own dick.
Speaker 9: Get a shadow priest in there.
Speaker 1: Oh my God, tell me about it. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just it's and I'm doing this as demonology. So like
Speaker 1: I said, I I had really I was initially PvP
Speaker 1: specs Demonology and smashing it. Then I changed to PvE
Speaker 1: spec Demonology, and that fell guard is just insane and
Speaker 1: if you get on top of the pet management, and
Speaker 1: I've changed all my macros to now keep him with
Speaker 1: the most uptime that I can, and I've got some
Speaker 1: weak oors to let me know. There were a lot
Speaker 1: of times when he was standing by my side not
Speaker 1: doing anything, and I didn't realize. Now I'm on top
Speaker 1: of that, he does twenty five percent of your damage.
Speaker 1: He's just so powerful, it's fucking wild, and the Kleevey
Speaker 1: does his great Um, it's just it's incredibly fun being
Speaker 1: a warlock and it goes beyond the numbers. But like
Speaker 1: what I said to you guys, lads in the Dungeon
Speaker 1: we did the other day was I've always typically gravitated
Speaker 1: away from DPS. I don't like playing DPS because I
Speaker 1: like healer and tank because you feel like you're truly,
Speaker 1: truly a standout role and contributor to the dungeon party.
Speaker 1: I am the tank. If I weren't here, you guys
Speaker 1: would be in trouble. I pull all the agro and
Speaker 1: I defend and that's that. And I taunt and if
Speaker 1: I miss a taunt, you could be fucked Like that's
Speaker 1: on me. I am the healer. I need to heal you.
Speaker 1: Without me, you die. If I am a bad healer.
Speaker 1: You will feel the difference. I like feeling like you're
Speaker 1: noticing that I'm there DPS. I've never ever felt that
Speaker 1: way historically with World of Warcraft, they're all in changeable,
Speaker 1: nobody gives a fuck. But as a warlock on this
Speaker 1: service specifically, now I get the impression that it's like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck for warlocks here, fuck yeah, here we go,
Speaker 1: and the skill expression is absolutely there. Where if I
Speaker 1: press the right buttons, people notice that DPS player and
Speaker 1: it feels really good. So I'm just glazing the warlock
Speaker 1: class here, guys. If you haven't seen it roll one.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really come online until you know later down
Speaker 1: the track. Al you will have noticed that you're probably
Speaker 1: only just starting to feel the power now.
Speaker 7: Well, actually yeah, I've I've found that in like you're
Speaker 7: thirties or forties, you've got pretty powerful, but not like
Speaker 7: you're describing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it just all changes. Particularly it's sixty obviously,
Speaker 1: like it's just insane. But anyway, enough about it.
Speaker 7: But I'm yep, I'm Affliction. I'm not Demonology high.
Speaker 1: Leveled as Affliction. I only changed Demonology like four days ago.
Speaker 7: Okay, I just love Afflictions now, so do I. I
Speaker 7: don't see me changing.
Speaker 1: I hate Demonology. I have historically always hated Demonology. It's
Speaker 1: been one of the worst skill trees in the fucking game.
Speaker 1: No matter what version of where we're playing, I've got
Speaker 1: no interest in Demonology. I've always been Affliction mostly some
Speaker 1: destro in like you know the times that I've played
Speaker 1: in like Wrath or Catter or Sod or whatever, just
Speaker 1: doing dungeons. But Demonology just it feels very good in
Speaker 1: this version of the game. I'm really enjoying it. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: give it a go, trust me. Brother, you will love it.
Speaker 1: I was doing really well as Affliction as well, though,
Speaker 1: so don't be deterred by any means, stay of Fliction
Speaker 1: if you love that play style anyone else. Guys, we're
Speaker 1: going to wrap it up unless anyone else has anything
Speaker 1: to leave us with.
Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: on this podcast or in this guild. Guys, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for being a part of this chat, and I'll
Speaker 1: speak to you all next week. And that's the episode
Speaker 1: for today. Everyone, Thank you so much for listening to
Speaker 1: all of that. As I mentioned in Great to Tail
Speaker 1: at the top of the episode, I'll be fucking around
Speaker 1: this weekend on Bronze Beard when it launches I'm probably
Speaker 1: gonna check out Sharman Tank because I'm always keen to
Speaker 1: check out a new role and see how they do it.
Speaker 1: I have no doubt there's gonna be three squillion people
Speaker 1: playing Sharman Tank as well, so that should be interesting.
Speaker 1: But look, there's already people who have played the PTI,
Speaker 1: and I've checked out the PTR very very briefly, only
Speaker 1: leveled a few characters to like level six and seven,
Speaker 1: just to see what's going on. But there are people
Speaker 1: in the Countdown community that played Bronze Beard through the
Speaker 1: testing phase over the last you know, a year or
Speaker 1: so or whatever, and have come back and said, look, like,
Speaker 1: you know, just be aware that this thing can sort
Speaker 1: of be like retail in terms of you're just gonna
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time in dungeons. It's got you know,
Speaker 1: very heavy usage of ADF. People just pored straight to dungeons.
Speaker 1: The dungeons are kind of AoE fest. You go through
Speaker 1: them very quickly. You know, it feels a little bit
Speaker 1: retailing in that regard. It's got dungeon scaling. You can
Speaker 1: go to you know, any dungeons at any level or
Speaker 1: whatever scale you scale. Sorry, mobs scale up to you,
Speaker 1: so you know, you can get a level. You can
Speaker 1: be a level sixty and get a Dead Minds or
Speaker 1: something like that, and the mobs will scale up to
Speaker 1: you and the rewards will scale up to you as well,
Speaker 1: so you're sort of not locked out from your friends.
Speaker 1: So just be aware that you know it's it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a weird vibe a little bit. I think they're
Speaker 1: really trying to mix sod and retail and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be an odd clashing of worlds. But I'll give it
Speaker 1: a look, you know what I mean. We'll just see
Speaker 1: how it goes. If you're interested to hear more, like
Speaker 1: come chat with us in the countdown discord. And I look, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I really found out about about
Speaker 1: all this like forty eight hours ago. Like I knew
Speaker 1: Bronze Beard was coming, but I didn't know anything about
Speaker 1: Bronze Beard, and I've learnt all the fine details over
Speaker 1: the last two days. It is a fucking weird server,
Speaker 1: you know. But it does have a lot of things
Speaker 1: that I like the look of. Like a few of
Speaker 1: us have been saying, three quarters of the shit sounds
Speaker 1: really cool, a quarter of it sounds fucking gross and
Speaker 1: potentially game breaking, so we'll just go in with very
Speaker 1: tepid expectations and sort of see what happens. But anyway, guys,
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Speaker 1: fuck around and see what the fuck this bronxbit server
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