WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:14.480 What's up, body, people, and welcome to Countdown to a 2 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:23.359 Classic where it's not my opinion that counts but yours. Hey, everyone, 3 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:25.239 thanks so much for joining me for another episode of 4 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:27.719 Countdown to Classic. It's so wonderful to have you all here. 5 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:30.039 And if I can just grab you for a few 6 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:32.039 minutes here at the top of the episode, I've got 7 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:34.079 a little bit to say about some stuff that's happening 8 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:38.000 this week. So first and foremost, go nuts with this episode. 9 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:40.439 There's plenty of content here for you, more from the 10 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:43.759 Countdown crew on what happened this week in Epoch and 11 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:46.479 all the fun little things that we've been getting into 12 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:49.640 the kangaroo court and all that jazz. It's all there, guys. 13 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:54.039 I just want to say that, unfortunately after the recording, 14 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:58.359 Countdown got the world first kill on Volchan, so we 15 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:00.920 didn't get to incorporate that. Unfortunate that we got the 16 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:03.359 world first kill, but it's unfortunate that we didn't get 17 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:05.120 to talk about it on this episode. That will be 18 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:07.439 on the next episode that you'll get from this show. 19 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:10.519 So just bear in mind if you're wondering, hey, Josh, 20 00:01:10.519 --> 00:01:13.239 what gives there's no talk about our big achievement. Well, 21 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:15.719 you know, we'll get there. But god, that was wild, 22 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:19.159 such a funny story. But yeah, Countdown, you know got 23 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:23.040 the kill. It's against all odds, the casual Countdown guild 24 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:27.680 beat all the sweats. But we'll tell that story next week. Look, 25 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:29.599 so that's not here, but there's a bunch of chat 26 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:31.640 just about everything else, so please dig into that. But 27 00:01:31.760 --> 00:01:34.319 what I actually want to talk to you about is 28 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:37.359 there's a lot of chatter in the Countdown discord about 29 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:41.640 the Bronze Beard server that is opening on Friday North 30 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:47.400 America European time and Saturday Oceanic time. So I think 31 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:50.959 it's like midnight on Friday night ocean Era. If that's 32 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.640 you or you know, look up your local time zones. 33 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:59.519 It's something like, god, what was it midday Europe or 34 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:03.760 something late afternoon North America. You'll figure it out. Just 35 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:06.719 go fucking look either way. This Friday, a new private 36 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:09.759 server is launching and a lot of people are discussing 37 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:12.840 it in the Countdown discord. It's Look, the reason I'm 38 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:14.240 bringing up is I don't want to freak you guys 39 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:15.879 out going like, oh my god, what does this mean? 40 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:20.680 Is everyone abandoning Epoch? No? No, no, we're not abandoning Epoch. 41 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.360 Countdown is getting more and more Sixties rolling in by 42 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:27.479 the day over on Project Epoch. These two private servers 43 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:31.919 are very very different things. They're very different things. One 44 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:36.319 is quite more Classic Plus in feel in terms of Epoch, 45 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:39.560 and what's coming with Bronze Beard is Look, it's being 46 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:43.400 dubbed Classic Plus, but there's a lot going on under 47 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:45.240 the hood, not to say that it's you know, not 48 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:49.080 Classic plus, your very your definitions of Classic Plus obviously 49 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:54.960 may vary, but this is a wild version of you know, 50 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:57.439 if you do people joke and say, oh, it's retail 51 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:00.680 minus or it's you know, sod plus, or it's you know, 52 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:03.520 it's definitely not Classic Plus, but you fucking do with 53 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:07.080 the definition whatever you want to do. Either way, it's 54 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:11.039 really sod on steroids in my opinion, with a lot 55 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:13.960 of the retail systems coming in as well in the 56 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:18.960 Vanilla world, so I'm sort of and it's got a 57 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:21.759 wild cash shop as well, and we've been spending a 58 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:25.000 lot of the last you know, a few days discussing 59 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:28.599 the cash shop and the pay to win aspect of it. 60 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:31.800 Big arguments that we'll have on the show next week 61 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:35.080 about Peter Convenience versus Peter Winn. Hey man, I don't 62 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:37.319 think this is payter Win. I think it very much 63 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:39.800 so is Peter Win. But you know you do you 64 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:45.719 people from the Countdown community. At least this server is 65 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:48.120 going to be popular, There's just no joke about it. 66 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:50.719 It's going to be very, very popular. But people within 67 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:55.120 the Countdown community are much more tempered in their feelings 68 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:58.560 towards it on the whole. Don't get me wrong. There 69 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:01.080 are members of the com unity out there, those of 70 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:03.039 you listening to this, who are super stoked for this server, 71 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:05.479 and that's great. I'm going to be playing it, but 72 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:07.879 I'm taking this time to explain to you what's going 73 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:13.719 on and my attitude towards it. Look, while some of 74 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:16.480 you are super stoked for it, the majority of you, 75 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:19.319 taking the temperature gauge of the discord over the last 76 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:22.319 few days, are not as stoked for it, and the 77 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:26.439 overall vibe seems to be Ah, Look, I'll check it 78 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:29.160 out because fuck it, it's free, while why not. I'll 79 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:32.120 give it a go, but I'm doing so with a 80 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:35.279 lot of trepidation. You know, people aren't sort of taking 81 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:38.959 it as seriously as they might have with Epoch, and 82 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:41.639 they're a bit more dubious of how this server will 83 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:44.360 play out in look and feel, and you know whether 84 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.639 or not it'll really scratched that classic itch like Epoch? 85 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:53.600 Did I feel the exact same way where Look, I'm lucky, guys. 86 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:56.079 I'm a full time university student these days. For those 87 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:58.920 of you who don't know, I've walked away from practicing law. 88 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:01.920 I'm going off to become a teacher, but I've got to, 89 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:04.319 you know, get my qualification up. So I'm full time 90 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:06.360 at UNI these days. So I've got all the time 91 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:07.879 in the world. You guys might remember what it was 92 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:10.240 like being a university student and you just had all 93 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:13.279 the time in the world to, you know, in between classes, 94 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:15.160 to do whatever. So I've got the time to play 95 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:18.720 two servers. So it's not really any skin off my back. However, 96 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:25.000 let me just get rid of my cat one second. Okay, sorry, 97 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:27.800 the cat was making weird, annoying eating noises in the 98 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:33.120 background there. So I have the time for two servers. 99 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:35.360 But if you don't have the time for two servers, 100 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:37.879 don't freak out about Oh my god, Josh, I just 101 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:40.240 invested all this time in Epoch. Does this mean you know, 102 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:43.480 we're leaving Epoch and moving on to Bronze Beard. No, 103 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:45.920 it doesn't really mean that. Like I said, the majority 104 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:50.319 of people are not that super duper interested. However, you know, 105 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:52.160 if you do have the time to check it out, 106 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.879 I would encourage you to do so, just because I 107 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:58.399 think it's good to see people taking a similar mindset 108 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:00.800 to me where they're like, the more we play of 109 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:04.519 these supposed Classic Plus servers, the more we're seeing of 110 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:07.839 what works and what doesn't work, and the better equipped 111 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:10.879 we are to provide feedback, you know, for whatever Blizzard 112 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:13.759 might be cooking up next. If Blizzard does want to 113 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:16.759 make some kind of amazing server that sweeps us off 114 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:18.839 all our sweeps or sweeps all of us off of 115 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:22.639 our feet, then we need to sort of know what's up, 116 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:24.720 and we need to have been there in the trenches 117 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:28.959 experiencing stuff that is really good and that is definitely 118 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:31.399 really shit and should not be in the game. And 119 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:35.000 you know, just treat all of these as like betas 120 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:39.920 or just you know, you know, thought tanks or whatever 121 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:42.920 for what will come with Official, because you know, I 122 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:45.279 think we all will try Official as well when it 123 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:47.519 comes out. You know, it's one of those things where 124 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:50.959 it's I'll pay for a month again when it comes 125 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:54.199 out and subscribe and be like, all right, Blizzard, now's 126 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:56.279 your fucking time. You've had a year and a half 127 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:59.879 to cook. You've been able to borrow ideas from Ascension, 128 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:02.879 from Project Epoch, you know, let's see what you've got 129 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:06.040 with your own original ideas as well. And it will 130 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:07.879 just come down to a put up or shut up 131 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:11.639 moment where they've either either nailed it or not. But 132 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:14.680 before we get there, yeah, I just want to know 133 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:19.000 basically as much as I can about different people's takes 134 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:23.879 on Classic Plus. So I will check out Bronze Beard, 135 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:27.639 but I'm look, I might not be playing it in 136 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.240 a week or two. Who knows. If I dive into 137 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.120 this thing and it's really like, oh fuck, this really 138 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:36.319 feels like a version of the game that I don't like. Look, 139 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:41.360 it's got things that I have really wanted, which are 140 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.519 heresy to some people. I've been like, I would love 141 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:48.160 to see a Mythic Plus style system in a vanilla world. 142 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:51.279 Well they've got that and a lot of that, and 143 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:54.480 I understand that that's horses for courses. Some of you 144 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:58.439 listening would be like mythic plus, what the fuck go away, 145 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:02.759 you retail loser, Like, that's just that's fine. That's something 146 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:04.879 that I would like that I know a lot of 147 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:09.639 people won't like. It's got a lot like talk about 148 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.959 the SOD ruins on drugs, It's got a million different 149 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:16.959 ruins out there via this mystic enchant system that you 150 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.879 can do to change the gameplay style of every class. 151 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:25.399 So if SOD was too much for you, my god, 152 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:28.000 this server will not be for you, because it really 153 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:30.959 is an extension of that ruin system in terms of, 154 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.840 like you know, there's bloody fifty ruins you can go 155 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:36.440 out in there and get for all of these classes, 156 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:40.039 if not more, you know, just I'll post everything in 157 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:44.039 the discord if you're intrigued. I'm going to post screenshots 158 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:46.240 of all of the things that you can get for 159 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:49.279 every class that you find out in the world or 160 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:53.440 whatever that change the way your class operates. So go 161 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:55.720 and have a look at that out of interest. But 162 00:08:56.840 --> 00:08:59.120 I want you to think of this less of a 163 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:02.720 plug and more of a shout out to all of 164 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:06.440 our Countdown people playing on Epoch. Look, we're still sitting 165 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:10.480 here waiting for a roadmap, and Epoch will need to 166 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:13.440 get off you Knowcension will need to get off their 167 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:17.240 asses and give Epoch a roadmap in you know, the 168 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:19.879 next few weeks. Like it's it's starting to make people 169 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:24.559 very itchy, there is, once you've gotten to sixty. There's 170 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:28.039 not a bunch to do on Epoch right now outside 171 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:30.840 of battlegrounds or getting a little bit of you know, 172 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:34.240 previous Like we just we don't know when the next 173 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:37.559 bit of content is coming. We need to know when 174 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.440 we're raiding and Countdown will be ready to raid when 175 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:44.759 that announcement comes. We've got twenty five sixties now we've 176 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:47.879 got twenty five more not that far off, so we 177 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:50.399 could arguably have two raid teams. It's just going to 178 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:52.879 be a matter of when this thing gets announced in 179 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:56.559 what's happening. So I'm chilling for now, but I am 180 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:59.080 aware that, like I say in this podcast, like they've 181 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:00.879 got to get off there are in the next few 182 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:03.440 weeks and announce something or you know, people are going 183 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:08.720 to get very very antsy. So what I'm trying to 184 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:11.799 say is go have fun, keep leveling an Epoch. We 185 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:14.720 will be doing the content there. But if you've already 186 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.320 hit sixty and you're sort of not doing too much, 187 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:20.720 then feel free to check out this server. I'll roll hoard. 188 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:24.480 It's again. It's same rules apply, cross faction guilds, cross 189 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:27.120 faction grouping as far as I know, So roll whatever 190 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:29.679 you want. I'll roll hoard. We'll try and get a 191 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:33.360 few of us together over there. But do not read 192 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:38.360 this as ditch Epoch for Bronze Band. It's not the case. Okay. 193 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:40.399 So I just can't stress that enough. I felt the 194 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:41.919 need to speak to you at the top of this 195 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:45.080 episode to say all of this in what is now 196 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:49.120 quite a long rance. I apologize, guys, but you know, 197 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:52.360 if you've got the time, check it out. If not, 198 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:56.120 don't worry. You're probably not missing out on anything that 199 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:58.480 would have floated your boat anyway, if I know what 200 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:03.360 the majority of you are like. But we shall say anyway, guys, 201 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:07.600 With all that said, let's get into the episode and 202 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:14.919 i'll talk to you at the end. Thanks everyone. Okay, 203 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:18.559 so we're back with another countdown to Classic. And I 204 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:21.159 slept in this morning. I've actually been sleeping in a 205 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:23.960 bit lately, and I woke up at just past eight 206 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:27.000 o'clock and I thought, oh fuck, it's it's podcast time. 207 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:29.559 Oh my god, and my amazing wife had made me 208 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:32.720 breakfast in bed and sat there and had my coffee 209 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:35.360 and my eggs and my bacon, and I thought, oh, 210 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.559 that's okay. You know, everyone will have forgotten about the podcast. 211 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:40.759 I'll take my time getting to it. And so I 212 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:44.080 finally get around to it just after, you know, about 213 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:47.200 nine point thirty, and there's fucking twenty people sitting in 214 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:49.600 general voice Chat waiting for me to turn up. And 215 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:54.000 then I rock up and it's like norm like I'm 216 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:56.799 touched and shocked as well to see all of you 217 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:59.759 sitting here waiting for the podcast to start. So thank 218 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:02.320 you very much. Guys will rip straight into it and 219 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:05.440 another week in Epoch and another week's worth of stories 220 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:08.159 to tell and things to discuss. So I think there's 221 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:11.399 actually plenty to discuss this week outside of the stories 222 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:13.519 that you guys will bring to the table. I think 223 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.399 it is time to start sort of talking about more 224 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:18.759 about the gearing of characters, how you're feeling about your 225 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:21.720 class at sixty, And also we will start to touch 226 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:26.399 on Epoch now, you know, trying to build a team, 227 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:29.399 whether they're struggling to build a team, or not, and 228 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:32.919 the you know, roadmap and where everything is going when 229 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:34.960 we're a bit in the dark on all that. I 230 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:38.320 reached out to Dutch just half an hour ago and said, hey, mate, 231 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:41.039 I run a podcast. I've been covering this server a lot. 232 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:43.360 You know, we'd love to get you or someone who's 233 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:45.440 involved in Epoch on the show. So let me know. 234 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:48.159 We'll see if he actually gets back to me, because 235 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:50.960 I think that we are approaching that time. You know, 236 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:52.720 while I've been saying on the show that I've been 237 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:55.519 having a blast and I haven't been personally that frustrated 238 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:58.799 by anything, there is obviously a line in the sand 239 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:01.600 where if you know, a few more weeks or what 240 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.039 have you go by and we are for I have 241 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:07.840 no doubt we're going to hear something. But if, for example, 242 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:11.000 you know, fucking like six more weeks go by and 243 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.360 we haven't heard a peep out of these guys, then 244 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.039 it's very fair to go like, what is going on? 245 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:19.440 But guys, I'll say gooday to everyone. There's a bit 246 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:21.720 literally about twenty of us here. I'll start with you 247 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:24.440 ubiquitous as per usual, and just say goody made house 248 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:27.759 things been this past week? Mate? Fucking uh, I seem 249 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:29.600 to remember you. You're a bloke I used to play 250 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:30.639 Epoch with. How are you? 251 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:34.600 I'm good. I've been very busy. 252 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:38.279 I apologize to everyone that I haven't played all fucking week. 253 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:42.799 Bad bad guild master, terrible performance. 254 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:45.240 Fucking daddy went for cigarettes and never came back. 255 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:47.000 Yeah. 256 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:49.759 Now I've planned to play a fair bit today before 257 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:53.879 and after my social event that's on, and uh yeah, 258 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:54.759 play a bit more tomorrow. 259 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:57.320 Very good, now, you you said to me. And I 260 00:13:57.360 --> 00:13:59.159 don't blame you for this, he sort of said, because 261 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:01.320 I reckon. There's a few, not all, but a few 262 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:03.879 people feeling like this. Where you go, all right, I've 263 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:07.279 got the Mage to sixty, but like you know, while 264 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:10.080 I'm playing a mage, I wasn't that invested in the 265 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:13.360 mage lifestyle. So I'll happily go straight to leveling and olt. 266 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:14.639 Is that pretty much what you've done? 267 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:22.240 Yeah, And the player base is a bit trim when 268 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:24.799 I have been getting on at like eight pm OCEE time, 269 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:28.559 so there's it's pretty hard to find a scholar or 270 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:30.240 a stress so it's just good to play an old 271 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:33.399 But I'll do dungeon runs in weekend morning time now 272 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:34.600 when there's lots of guilties on it. 273 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:37.879 If anything, I would say that the Guild has become 274 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:40.559 more important than ever because it's so wonderful to still, 275 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:43.519 you know, log on and see anywhere between twenty to 276 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:47.559 thirty five forty people online sometimes and people are still 277 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:50.240 trying to piece together dungeon runs within the guild, which 278 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:53.639 is fantastic because I'll freely admit, you know, I've been 279 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:56.480 logging on again at like you know, primetime OCEE in 280 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:00.000 the evening, like you say, about seven, eight pm onwards 281 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:03.639 until about ten pm, and it's you know, in leveling 282 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:07.159 an alt. Now there's a variety of reasons for this happening, 283 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:09.120 you know. Obviously you could say that the majority of 284 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:11.480 people are just taking their time working one character to 285 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:14.519 sixty or the sixties of level to sixty, and now 286 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:16.720 they've logged off waiting for a raid to come out. 287 00:15:17.159 --> 00:15:21.000 Or also the server population is going down as people 288 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:23.519 drop out due to a variety of reasons, whether it 289 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:27.159 be a lack of information or you know, they just 290 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:29.240 don't want to do the one to sixty journey after all, 291 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:31.200 or they were tourists or whatever it might be. The 292 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:34.720 server population is stabilizing and that number is coming down 293 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:37.320 like a fair bit. It's like, you know, long gone 294 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:39.399 of the days of oh my god, there's fifty thousand 295 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:42.279 people playing this fucking server. No, no, no, like we've 296 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:44.159 been saying, there seems to be about like you know, 297 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:46.720 I don't know, we said fifteen thousand. Maybe now it's 298 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:51.039 come down to ten thousand. Who knows. But I've seen few, 299 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:55.159 far fewer people leveling alts, at least like my characters. 300 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:59.159 I've leveled three characters to twenty over the last ten days. 301 00:15:59.159 --> 00:16:01.159 I've got a pallet and a shaman and a priest 302 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:05.440 now at twenty. And you know, when it comes time 303 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:07.759 to look for that dead minds or whaling cabins run 304 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:12.440 around twenty. Oof. It's like it's it's rough finding tanks. 305 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:15.720 But also like I'm just not seeing that many people 306 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:19.840 along the leveling journey anymore. And I'm not that fussed 307 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:21.519 by it because, like I say, I really think with 308 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:24.399 the time investment it takes to get one character to sixty, 309 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:27.919 everyone is in their thirties, forties, fifties still trying to 310 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:29.879 get to sixty. So I'm like, oh, the Barons is 311 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:32.159 a ghost town, this is a dead server. No, no, no, 312 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:35.000 it doesn't fucking bother me, but it is noticeable that 313 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:37.799 I'm not passing that many people through the barons over 314 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:42.120 the last week. But that's why putting stuff together with 315 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:44.799 the guild has been really cool, because we're still a 316 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:47.080 large guild and we can still do content together, and 317 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:49.799 I've done a shitload of sixty dungeons with the guys 318 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:51.960 that i'll talk about in this episode over the last week. 319 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:54.679 I really want to discuss what's going on what they've 320 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:58.200 done on this server to LBRs ubrs scholar and everything, 321 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:01.399 because it just continues to wow me, and like, you know, 322 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:04.559 we can sit here and you can You've got a 323 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:06.240 choice here. Do you want to dunk on the server 324 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:09.559 because it's doing the natural progression of WOW servers where 325 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:13.000 the number goes down after launch, particularly for private servers, 326 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:16.400 or do we sit there and talk about the content 327 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:18.440 that we're doing, which I still think is a glowing 328 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:22.519 positive outside of bugs and whatnot that are still very 329 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:24.839 evident and not getting fixed as quickly as we'd like. 330 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:28.480 The actual content of this server is fucking amazing. And 331 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:31.039 I just read another post on the subreddit today from 332 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.319 a guy doing a really good comparison between Turtle Wow 333 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:37.759 and Epoch, and he just summarized it so well talking 334 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:41.000 about the difference in feel between this and Tee Wow, 335 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:43.599 and I agreed with everything he said. Where it's it's like, 336 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:46.400 as far as I'm concerned, Epoch runs circles around te 337 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:49.839 Wow in saying that there's still, you know, a crowd 338 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:51.680 for te Wow and a crowd for Epoch. And if 339 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:54.519 you like either one, you're not wrong, but they're very 340 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:57.519 different in feel, and you will gravitate. You will generally 341 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:01.039 gravitate towards one or the other. I find myself very 342 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:03.680 much so being pulled more to the way that Epoch 343 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:05.880 has approached things as opposed to Tee Wow, because they 344 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:08.880 really highlighted the difference in difficulty and they were like 345 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:11.839 Tee Wow dungeons, Yeah, okay, they put in like a 346 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.400 new boss here and there, but like the dungeons are 347 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:19.400 a fucking pushover. They're like, it's very classic in feel 348 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:22.279 in terms of you walk in and one shot everything. 349 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:25.559 There's no mechanics. It's just like a fucking snoof snooze fest. 350 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:28.680 Healers have nothing to do. The tank just stands there 351 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:31.039 in tanks and spanks and you guys burned the boss down. 352 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:33.799 And that's evident in every fucking dungeon, even the new ones, 353 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:38.839 whereas in Epoch the difficulty feels like spot on in 354 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:42.240 terms of this is engaging, This is making players wake 355 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:43.920 up and feel like they've got a little bit of 356 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:46.319 a challenge on their hands. And my god, have I 357 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:48.720 felt that in the dungeons. And I don't feel that 358 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:52.240 they've gone too far with the difficulty. But for me, look, 359 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:54.480 the argument is there whether or not it's PUG friendly 360 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:57.079 or not, But for me and the guild, I think 361 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:59.200 it's been fucking perfect. I actually did my first PUG 362 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:01.240 last my first PUG last night, whether you call it 363 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:03.559 a PUG when there's one guilty in the group, did 364 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:06.680 a Barretton hold, which gigant or and like, we're literally 365 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:10.359 perfectly fine, no problems whatsoever. You know, the one fuck 366 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:12.559 up of the dungeon was mine when I pressed fucking 367 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:14.799 enslaved demon or whatever for the first time in my 368 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:17.559 life and got one shot by a pack of imps 369 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:20.480 in an infernal But you know, I worked it all 370 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:22.839 out and it was all good. But anyway, I'm ranting 371 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:26.920 GUV back to you, mate, what I just want to 372 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:29.039 get you you to kick us off, and maybe we 373 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:31.000 can keep talking about this when you go on this 374 00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:35.440 difficulty note mate, from your runs through the sixty dungeons, 375 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:38.279 how do you feel now with more experience under your 376 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:40.359 belt about the difficulty of Epoch. 377 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:46.599 I think it's pretty much exactly what I would have liked. 378 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:48.599 I liked it. 379 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.559 There's a learning curve to things, like once you the 380 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:54.680 first run you do it. If there's no one in 381 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:58.359 your party that knows anything, it can be a little difficult, 382 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:00.359 and then you're finding out like, oh fuck, we need 383 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:00.960 to do things. 384 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:02.720 Like A good example for us is. 385 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:08.400 Just the the Gauntlet of Abominations in Strathon Dead. We're 386 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:12.880 doing that with Las and then because he's used to 387 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:16.480 classic where they kind of come to you so slowly 388 00:20:16.519 --> 00:20:21.240 and they're so easy to kill, you run out of 389 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:23.279 the gate and go and fight them all. So he 390 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:25.680 went and did that and we promptly got our asses kick. 391 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:30.079 So then when we went back, I reminded him like, oh, 392 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:32.960 just were staying here. They come to us and we'll 393 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:35.519 just be killing one as they arrive, and it was 394 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:38.079 kind of nice, like just those little tweaks. It's kind 395 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:40.880 of nice to have that you know, that lesson to 396 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:43.319 be learned, and then but once you know things, or 397 00:20:43.319 --> 00:20:46.599 if there's just someone that knows the dungeon, well it's 398 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:49.680 it is still easy, kind of like now that you 399 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:53.799 know Upper black Rock Spire, it's pretty straightforward. But it's 400 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:56.000 just fun to learn it in the way that it 401 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:58.880 is and that there is a thing to do instead 402 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:02.359 of it just being tank kill boss and off you go. 403 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:05.880 So I think they're pretty much exactly what I would 404 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:07.839 ask for in a level sixty. 405 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:11.680 Five man, uh, lads, are you here? I think I 406 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:13.640 saw you here? 407 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:14.079 Mate? 408 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:17.240 Can I get you to catch the pass from UBI 409 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:20.079 and keep running on with it and talking about what 410 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:22.039 you think as a tank of the difficulty? 411 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:25.519 Well, first of all, since he's here, I like to 412 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:27.279 take him the kangaroo court real quick. 413 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:29.720 Oh yeah, yeah, do it? Do it while he's here. 414 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:30.640 Yeah. 415 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:32.839 I wanted to find himself. So when we started that dungeon, 416 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:35.640 I was like, hey, he's been there before and I hadn't. 417 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:37.839 And I was like, heys, Davan mccanics, nob please let 418 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:40.920 me know. Oh you got it, make no problem. 419 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:41.519 So we go. 420 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:44.599 We go into the A bombs silence right, and then 421 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:47.039 I pull one, and I'm like, well, usually you have to, 422 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:48.880 you know, for not to be born, you got to 423 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:51.799 pull at least like three or four. Yeah, that's why 424 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:53.480 I pulled them. After we wipe, it's like, hey, like 425 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:55.640 just so you know, you probably should have gone one 426 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:57.640 at a time. I was like, thanks, that's really helpful. 427 00:21:57.680 --> 00:21:59.279 Now that we're all dead, appreciate it. 428 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:07.079 So yeah, but I think mistaken that was the cursed 429 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:10.920 run of horrors that it was. At that point, I 430 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:14.319 had no soul left. I wasn't even consciously aware that 431 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:15.400 I was still playing the game. 432 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:17.480 It was so bad you quit well for a week. 433 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:20.319 I was going to say, is that the run? Is 434 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:22.519 that the run that caused you to stop for a week? 435 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:25.880 Yeah, No, that wasn't the reason. But it's a fucking 436 00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:26.880 good coincidence. 437 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:31.640 Very good, very good. All right, but lad, Yeah, on 438 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:34.279 a serious note, how do you feel about how these 439 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:36.880 mobs and bosses are punching you guys and your party 440 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:37.319 in the dick? 441 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:43.920 Perfect Just guess I think they are difficult, but they 442 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:48.720 are fair. There's nothing there's nothing about the encounters for 443 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:52.000 the most part, you know, other than not black considered bugs. 444 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:57.039 I'm my counters that it's too completely fair, and I 445 00:22:57.079 --> 00:22:58.920 think what makes it they've hit horrible. I think what 446 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:01.440 makes up for it the sort of a really fun 447 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:04.640 they done is fun for me is that CEC is 448 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:08.079 both needed more but they also encourage it more so. 449 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:10.839 Mobs and Villa would have been immune to sec. These 450 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.680 mobs and some bosses you can seec. So I think 451 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:17.160 it it just makes it more fun for people to 452 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:18.480 be able to push their buttons. 453 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:21.480 I completely agree that there was a random moment. It 454 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:24.240 creates random moments of skill expression. Sorry, just to butt 455 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:25.759 in on this one lads and get you if you've 456 00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:28.240 noticed this one like I in this barreton Hold that 457 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:32.359 I mentioned I did with Giganta last night just before 458 00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:38.000 we started the Naga boss which you know, barreton Hold 459 00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:41.200 is easily, in my opinion, the easiest level sixty dungeon. 460 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:43.079 I don't know if you guys agree or dise disagree 461 00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:44.880 on that one, but it is. It's a little bit. 462 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:47.920 It's not a snoozefest by any means, because the the 463 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:51.240 trash is harder than the bosses, but the bosses are 464 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:54.279 still engaging, which is great. They're just relatively simple in 465 00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:57.279 terms of they they their mechanics are cool, but they 466 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:00.440 go down quickly, if that makes sense, just like fucking 467 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:05.680 Ubi's mom. Heyo. Anyway, what I was gonna say was 468 00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:08.839 the Naga boss uh does has it got him? Has 469 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:11.799 a mechanic towards the end where he moves to the 470 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:13.880 middle of the room and he does a certain thing, 471 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:18.640 And just before we start the encounter, the tank turns 472 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.200 to me and says, hello, mister Warlock, can you please 473 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:25.480 death coil the boss when it starts to move towards 474 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:27.839 the middle of the room towards the end of the encounter, 475 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:32.799 And I go, huh, yeah, sure, I'll give it a go. 476 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:35.480 And I'm like, if he's telling me it must work, 477 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:37.200 I'm like a little bit shocked that I could death 478 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:40.880 cooil a boss. I've never again, I've never played Warlock before. Guys, 479 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:42.079 I don't know if this is a thing you could 480 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:44.720 do before, but it's all news to me. And so 481 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:47.880 the boss moves in at twenty five percent or whatever 482 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:52.039 to do their big fucking butterboom move that everyone's got 483 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:55.119 to be aware of, and I just hit my fucking 484 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:58.200 death coil and he runs away in fear from the 485 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:00.599 middle of the room and doesn't do the macare really 486 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.480 and I'm like, Wow, that's fucking really cool, Like who 487 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:06.160 would have thought it was? Just I really enjoyed little 488 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:13.599 things like that. Have you have you seen anything like that, 489 00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:15.279 lads or anyone else? 490 00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:22.079 Pretty much every every ansceince there's been cool things like that. 491 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:26.880 Someone else is going to jump in there, Nope, I'm 492 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:29.720 going crazy or good guys, we're going to get expansive. 493 00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:31.640 We're at the pub. There's twenty of us in the room. 494 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:33.960 Please don't be shy. I want to hear from all 495 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:37.039 of you who happened to have started doing dungeons from 496 00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:40.400 brd up. Let me know what do you think of 497 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:43.519 the difficulty? Is it, you know, Goldilocks test? Is it 498 00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:45.519 fucking too hot? Too cold? Or just right? 499 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:49.680 Well? 500 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:50.519 I guess. 501 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:53.680 Ma, thank you AXL save me? 502 00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:58.480 Is that Goldilocks? Is that Goldilocks difficulty? In my opinion, 503 00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:01.400 I know it's the easiest one, but I guess I've 504 00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:02.799 been kind of saying I think a lot of the 505 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:06.480 shit's overtuned, and which is why I think the Buried 506 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:09.200 and whole one is fantastic. Like the last Boss will 507 00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:12.519 fuck you up if you do not know how to 508 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:15.359 interact with his mechanics if you're not turning him away 509 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:20.720 and whatnot, Like it was not necessarily a cake walk, right, 510 00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:23.279 he spawns ads. There's a whole lot of shit. Right, 511 00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:25.000 there's a lot of things that can go wrong. But 512 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.440 to me, that's about the right difficulty. 513 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:28.160 And a lot of. 514 00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:31.160 The bosses and burried and hold like at least my 515 00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:35.519 I've only done it twice. The first time through, I 516 00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:39.640 can wipe on at least like three bosses, and that's 517 00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:41.759 great because there was a learning experience. 518 00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:45.000 But second time. 519 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:47.200 Through a little bit smoother, which is what I think 520 00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:50.160 you should happen, you know, like you still have to. 521 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:54.319 I don't know if we've got lads, you can remind 522 00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:56.880 me if we got the last boss on the first 523 00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.920 try in our second one or I think you die 524 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:02.960 and then I took Agro and then he reset, so 525 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:09.519 I don't know how that counts, but I remember, you know, 526 00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:13.160 I think a lot of the sixty content is overtuned, 527 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:14.960 though I would know. 528 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:16.960 You know, I was bitching. 529 00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:19.640 About one of the bosses in BRD and we did 530 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:22.039 it the other day and I think they fixed it 531 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.680 because that constant pulsing AOI damage was just it was 532 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.359 still present, but it was so diminished in comparison when 533 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:30.960 we first went in. 534 00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:33.480 Oh really, it's noticeably had something done to it. 535 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:38.000 Yeah, it might be that we're all sixty now and 536 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:41.279 like two of our dps have like constant shields from 537 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:42.319 a new in chant. 538 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:43.920 That's like fucking busted. 539 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:47.960 But I also was looking at my own health, and 540 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:50.119 my own health was dropping in a much lower rate. 541 00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:52.000 Right, Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, Les, like, 542 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:53.880 is it have they fixed it? Or is it have 543 00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:55.480 you guys just gotten more powerful? 544 00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:59.279 I think they fixed it because the en chance is 545 00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:03.319 not going to fix it. Uh, that chance is not 546 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:07.759 going to affect magic damage just pulsing, Well, it's it's. 547 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:09.599 Just a it's just a damnaged shield, right, It's like 548 00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:10.880 if you shield with a priest. 549 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:12.839 Yeah, fair enough. I wasn't. 550 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:16.319 But my own health, you know, I never had that shield. 551 00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:18.799 My own health was going down at a much lower rate. 552 00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:22.200 My gear isn't all that different. I just have a 553 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:23.279 few more levels. 554 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:27.119 So so is it still there? Is it still pulsing 555 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.279 and keeping the shield up for the whole lost seventy 556 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:31.279 of the fine? 557 00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:36.000 You know, we just fucking targeted the guy. 558 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:38.400 Yeah, it stays up. It stays up the whole time. 559 00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:40.759 It seems that outputs left. 560 00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:41.480 It's silly. 561 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:44.720 It does work correctly. Now if you kill the mobs 562 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.319 that spawn, the shield goes down. 563 00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:50.400 I mean I haven't. 564 00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:53.000 I haven't done it in a while, about week. 565 00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:55.880 We did it like two days ago. 566 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:01.039 Yeah, but we just used mainly DP to focus on right. 567 00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:03.480 Yeah, we just kind of choosed it and didn't bother 568 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:05.119 with the mechanics. 569 00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:08.359 So if I can ask, if I can ask, Axel, 570 00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.119 you mentioned that you still feel a couple of the 571 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:15.880 encounters are overtuned. I've got a funny idea that I 572 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:17.640 might know which ones are you talking about, But let 573 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:19.519 me know which one specifically you think is still a 574 00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:20.079 bit crazy. 575 00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:25.079 I mean, I guess it has been a bit smoother 576 00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:31.599 and as we've gotten better at it, would say, bearing 577 00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:36.119 in undead Strath still feels maybe a little overturned. It's 578 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:40.920 it's super doable, and maybe it's maybe it's fine because 579 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.640 they don't I can't recall if we have wiped on 580 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:47.160 them on our last attempt or not. But it's like 581 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:49.559 I feel like, once you understand the mechanics, you shouldn't 582 00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:52.079 really keep wiping like it shouldn't be an rang thing. 583 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:54.920 Well that that's sort of the I'll just interrupted that 584 00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:57.119 stage sorry and say I haven't done a sorry a 585 00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:59.680 strath at all, whether it be alive or undead, So 586 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.319 I can't comments on that, but I do want to 587 00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:08.839 go down the rabbit hole of again when we're talking difficulty, 588 00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:13.720 are we talking difficulty even once you know the fight, 589 00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:16.799 or the difficulty is before you know the fight, then 590 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:18.759 once you work it out, it's actually not that bad. 591 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:21.559 I would say. 592 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:23.880 The other we've done a number of Ubers runs is 593 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.480 probably the dungeon we've done the most, and it's the 594 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.000 most difficult dungeon of all the content that exists. 595 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:32.680 So you know, I don't want to like it. There 596 00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:33.680 should be something. 597 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:36.839 That is the most difficult content, like the Beast is 598 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:40.039 Still it just feels like a fucking crapshoot every time. 599 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:43.119 Well this at this point, let me sorry. I'm going 600 00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:46.640 to keep jumping in and latching onto small tangents. I 601 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:51.039 love Ubrs in this version of the game. I think 602 00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:54.680 it is I think it is just fucking really really 603 00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:56.880 cool what they've done with it, turning it into a 604 00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:02.839 five man dungeon, increasing the difficulty tweaking encounters like for example, 605 00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:09.759 the uh Rand encounter or whatever is like significantly quicker now, 606 00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:13.680 you know, like you said, the Beast and I think 607 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.799 it's general drack at the end or whatever are quite 608 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:20.000 difficulty en counters. But having said that. 609 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.680 My like general draft, yeah, right, okay, it's a. 610 00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:28.359 It's a mechanics fight now, right, Like it's still tough. 611 00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:31.200 There is certain elements of rang that can be a 612 00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:35.160 little tough, but it you know, we had that that 613 00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:37.240 group the other day where we have the two dps 614 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:38.720 that weren't quite well. 615 00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:39.480 I don't know, one of. 616 00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:41.559 The dvs was probably fine, but the other one. 617 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:44.119 Was kept sucking up, and then we. 618 00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:47.160 Got you and Voodoo in and even though Voodoo died 619 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.759 right away, like we didn't have too bad at the time. 620 00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:53.559 I'll tell the story, but like basically you're right that 621 00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:56.960 that that's something I wanted to get through. But just 622 00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:02.799 on the base first, like I had not done the Beast, 623 00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:06.279 I'd not done an Ubers really until I helped fill 624 00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:08.599 in with that run with Voodoo that you're talking about, 625 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:14.119 and then we did before one after that. But basically 626 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.720 i'd heard you guys say the Beast was fucking out 627 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.599 of control. It's easily the hardest encounter in the game 628 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:24.519 right now. It just punishes Malay, you know, all that 629 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:28.599 jazz and when I eventually went in and did it 630 00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:32.079 having heard that from you guys, Look, I want to 631 00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:34.000 hear from you whether or not this is a group 632 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.720 composition thing or what have you, or or it's a 633 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:41.720 healer thing or whatever it is. But we had, we 634 00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:45.240 did a run las with you me. You're gonna have 635 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.599 to help me. Remember who was there? Smite was our healer. 636 00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:53.920 I think I think Axel was there, Dpsing, I can't remember. 637 00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:57.319 Now I had I had to bail after a. 638 00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:01.319 Conf that's camp think so, because what I was going 639 00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:05.839 to say is we fucking breezed through the beast. And 640 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.160 I literally turned to you lads afterwards and I said, 641 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:10.799 that was it. That's the encounter that you guys said 642 00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:11.920 was the hardest in the game. 643 00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:16.720 It's particularly difficult for shamans to heal just the way 644 00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:21.880 the toolkit works, right Yeah, I mean I've had I've 645 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:25.279 had like very undergared, very undergared. Holy palleis, keep me 646 00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:28.599 up just fine and the group up just fine. Priests 647 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:31.000 knock out of the park. Drew is knocking out of 648 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:33.839 the park. It's easy for them. It's just kind of 649 00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:37.559 the way. There are other fights that are harder for 650 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:39.799 you know, those healers, and it's just a way just 651 00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:42.440 they run out of manner and it's just people aren't 652 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.240 grouped up, like for shop, if everyone's grouped up for 653 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.960 the chain held females work, it's just but on that 654 00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:50.839 fight you have to spread out and avoid the the 655 00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.519 fireballs are coming in. So it's just it's just uniquely 656 00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:54.039 difficult for. 657 00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:55.920 If we want to if we want to take this 658 00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:59.559 opportunity to Kangaroo Court Axel for daring to play rest 659 00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:01.480 o Shaman, and I'm all for it, even though he's 660 00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:02.519 really in Elie Sharman. 661 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.800 Shaman's a really power powerful a lot of situations. 662 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:14.559 So yeah, I have one of them. Yeah yeah, So 663 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.079 I haven't lived the rest o shaman life on the 664 00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:18.880 Beast yet, so maybe I'll get to see it one 665 00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:22.119 day and see the difference. But like that, that run 666 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:25.880 with Smite as our priest healer was the run because 667 00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:28.920 I've been you know, hemming and worring about what healer 668 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.039 do I want to play, And you guys know, I 669 00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:34.199 initially said that's it. I'm finally going to play a 670 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:36.639 Holy Paladin. I've never really done it before. And then 671 00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.000 I started doing it. It was the most the most 672 00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:41.079 boring experience of my life. I don't know why I 673 00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:45.559 continue to always give Holy Paladins a chance. They are 674 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:48.599 the speck that continues to clown me for years in 675 00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:51.360 World of Warcraft. It is never fun to me. I 676 00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.760 fucking hate it. I don't understand how Holy Paladins enjoy 677 00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:57.239 this game. You're all a bunch of fucking widows as 678 00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:00.400 far as I'm concerned now. But then I tried Shaman 679 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:02.880 and I was like, yep, Sharman's going to be the 680 00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:05.400 healer for me. They're so active. I can drop totems, 681 00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.199 i can interrupt things. I can just be that active healer. 682 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:11.840 And then you know, the guys were sort of like, well, 683 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:13.800 you know, I don't know how much manner you're really 684 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:15.440 going to have to be as active as you want 685 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:19.800 to be. Josh. And while I was basically leveling the Shaman, 686 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.280 I did this run a UBRS with Smite as the 687 00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:26.239 priest Healer, and I was watching him and it's it's 688 00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:30.960 not a power thing. It's a buttons and activity thing, 689 00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:33.880 and toolkit thing where I was just going like, yeah, 690 00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:37.599 like this guy's all over this, like he's pressing different buttons, 691 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:42.000 he's he's pomming, he's shielding, he's greater healing, he's prayer 692 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:46.880 of healing. I'm into this, and he like snoozed to 693 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:51.320 a certain you know degree through that uberrs as the Healer, 694 00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.559 Like he was just fucking so so good, and I 695 00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:56.760 was like, that's it. I'm rolling a priest. So I 696 00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:59.519 got the Pallid to twenty, the Shaman to twenty. I 697 00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:01.519 spent an hour and a half on my fucking water 698 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.800 totem quest, got it, and then logged off and retired 699 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.079 the character and rolled the Priest. And now the Priest 700 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.159 is twenty, so that that will be what I work 701 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:13.440 on next. But I digress because I come back to 702 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:15.599 the boss difficulty and just again throw it out to 703 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:20.159 the room and say so after the Beast, we get 704 00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.599 to General Drac and Ubiquitous has had to bounce from 705 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:25.760 the chat, but he's told me the General Drack is 706 00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:29.039 easily his favorite fight in the game right now, with 707 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:33.039 you know, all these fights being brand new, and I agree, 708 00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:37.599 I think it's phenomenal. But the whole time we were 709 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:40.599 doing it. So sorry, I'm telling an extended story here, 710 00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:43.639 but I'll go back to revive the point that Axel 711 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:48.079 was making before, where Axel Laz the guys were in 712 00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:50.639 a UBRS that was just turning into the run from 713 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:53.360 Hell because they could not kill the last boss. I 714 00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:56.639 started watching them on discord. They had a rogan a 715 00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:59.960 hunter with them who would not stop dying to the MCA. 716 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:03.440 They you know, they're screaming at these guys like, please 717 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.519 stop standing in front of the boss. He fucking cleaves 718 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:09.360 and will virtually one shot you. Rogue could not get 719 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.159 it in his head, kept dying within the first fiften 720 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:18.559 seconds of the fight. You know, I eventually go, guys, 721 00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:21.960 I don't want to be like that asshole, but punt 722 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.800 these guys like you that At this stage, they had 723 00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:29.000 wiped like five times, and it was very seven. It 724 00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:32.280 was very clear they were not killing this boss with 725 00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:36.639 these guys, and I said, I really think you've given 726 00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:39.840 them enough off opportunities at this point that it's not 727 00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:43.199 really that rude to just say, you know what, guys, 728 00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:46.800 we're calling it here. And one of them actually said 729 00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.800 I'm calling it here, and you guys said yes, let's 730 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:53.920 call it here. And I said, yeah, fine, that was me. 731 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:59.679 I said, I'm calling it. Yeah. They both freaked out. 732 00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:01.840 Yeah, well no one of one of them. One of 733 00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:04.360 them said I agree. One of them said I'm out too. 734 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:06.199 Yeah. 735 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:10.360 So anyway, okay, so anyway going crazy? 736 00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:14.239 Yeah, yeah. The Hunter wanted the lockout right, He wanted 737 00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:15.320 the dungeon idea. 738 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.639 So I said to you, just get rid of these guys, 739 00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:21.679 bring Voodoo and me in and we will finish this 740 00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:25.440 thing straight away. And you sort of just said to 741 00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:27.639 these guys, yeah, guys, we're going to stop here. The 742 00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:31.000 rogue wouldn't leave groups, so you just uninvited him and 743 00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:32.960 we walked into the dungeon in front of him. He 744 00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:36.159 wasn't very happy. He started calling you guys bad. Once 745 00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:39.400 he realized what was going on. When he started having 746 00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:42.039 a go at you, I got, you know, happily a 747 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:44.840 little bit toxic and started flaming him, going, mate, I 748 00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:48.519 just watched the last four wipes on fucking Discord, trust me, 749 00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:51.639 you are the problem. He didn't appreciate that. Fuck him, 750 00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:55.639 I don't care. And so Voodoo and I come in 751 00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.840 and I had not seen the fight in terms of 752 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:03.000 like playing it we did one run, saw the mechanics, 753 00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:07.159 I got it. I think I fucked I know it 754 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.039 was the next one I fucked up on, but anyway, 755 00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:12.519 we killed it on the second try. After it's voodoo 756 00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:14.880 and I watched the mechanics. The first one we wiped 757 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.960 anked or whatever or ran back, I can't remember, and 758 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.280 then we got it down in the second attempt. No dramas, 759 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:23.840 no mass, no fast easy game. Once you get it, 760 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:26.199 you get it. And I think it is a fucking 761 00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:29.360 fun encounter and a very It is a hard encounter 762 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:34.280 when you don't know what's happening for pugs who just 763 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.199 walk in thinking, oh wow, classic tank and spank, this 764 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.719 fight will ruin them. And it's a fair conversation now, 765 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.920 I think you know to Vestige, who might be saying, yeah, 766 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.360 and Vestige, you're here, aren't you. I would love to 767 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.400 know your thoughts on this encounter, whether or not this 768 00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:55.039 breaches your pug friendliness sort of, you know, checklist or not. 769 00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.800 Well, I haven't done UBRS yet. I just hit sixty 770 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.920 two days ago, so I can't really comment on that. 771 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:08.320 As for the difficulty in general, it does feel a 772 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:12.199 little high than I would probably say. I do enjoy 773 00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:16.400 it though personally I do enjoy the higher difficulty, but like, 774 00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:19.239 I'm right now in a lower black rock spiral and 775 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:20.719 it's a little bit rough right now. 776 00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:22.559 You're in a low black rock spiral. Is that you're 777 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:24.039 getting your ass cakes that much. 778 00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:29.599 This group? I am very much getting my butt kicked, 779 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:33.519 all right, But that's just the nature of kind of 780 00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:39.400 what these things are. But I do wish I do. 781 00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:42.719 I do personally like the higher difficulty and everything, but 782 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:46.039 I can understand why it's not as appealing to the 783 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:49.280 mass and trying to get more people into play this 784 00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.320 thing when it's like, Okay, you can go into a 785 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.119 hug and you're just gonna be rough. It's gonna be 786 00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:59.079 extremely rough, and nobody wants to go into that thinking like, man, 787 00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:01.679 I gotta set aside two to three hours for this, 788 00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:03.840 because I don't know are these guys good now? Are 789 00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:05.840 they you know, how good is it's going to be. 790 00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:06.440 To be clean? 791 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:08.719 Or are we gonna just wipe, wipe, wipe, wipe. I 792 00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:10.719 don't have time for that, so I can see how 793 00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:13.639 that can be very frustrated. It's and that's why some 794 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.599 people want to run exclusively with Guild because they know 795 00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:17.280 what they're getting, I know who's mean, and I know 796 00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:18.559 quality of player that's coming. 797 00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:22.639 Yeah, it's it really is. This general drag fight is 798 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:26.559 the eitome of that line in the sand in terms 799 00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:32.159 of you know, you must communicate the mechanics to people 800 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:34.840 and then it's not just a matter of Once you 801 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.760 know the mechanics, then it's an easy fight you have 802 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:42.920 to execute. But the I can't stress this enough. This 803 00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:47.639 fight is not asking much of you. It is really 804 00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:50.039 not asking much of you. I won't say it's like 805 00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:53.280 the bare minimum, like a typical Wow classic fight, but 806 00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:56.719 you know, it's far from retail air skin terms of 807 00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:59.280 dancing around and having to do a million things and 808 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.880 click on shit blah blah blah. I'm just I'm going 809 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:03.559 to so you go, mate. 810 00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:06.800 There's a degree of orange with it. 811 00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:10.320 Is a mild degree. They talked about the conflags or 812 00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:11.880 the flame strikes. 813 00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:14.440 Yeah, the conflag specifically, Like if you get a cont 814 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:16.280 flag on the Heeler, it can be a real ship. 815 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:19.079 Yeah, but at least the conflag is real. It's only 816 00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:20.679 a five second con flag, right. 817 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:24.840 Yeah, but it takes you down to almost nothing and 818 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:25.559 it has a little bit. 819 00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:29.280 Oh but it only takes you know, like the conflag 820 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.039 itself doesn't do damage, does it. I thought it was 821 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:32.360 only if you're standing in the flame strike? 822 00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:34.760 No, it deals damage? 823 00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:40.159 Okay, health away, Oh I hadn't noticed. Okay, Well, look 824 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:44.239 here's the thing. I will talk about the encounter because 825 00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:46.760 it's not like it's a fucking super secret raid boss 826 00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:47.159 or anything. 827 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:47.480 I don't know. 828 00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:50.719 We've been hesitant to divulge too much that people haven't 829 00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:52.840 seen yet on the show, but in terms of spoilers, 830 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.440 but you know, people are starting to see this now 831 00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:58.760 and I feel like doing a little bit of a 832 00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:01.440 class on the encounter. Do you guys think that's okay 833 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:02.920 to talk about on the show or do we leave 834 00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:08.559 it for people to figure out? I leave it, leave 835 00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:10.280 it all right, we can leave it. 836 00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:11.039 No. 837 00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:13.039 I will say though that I've done it with a 838 00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:15.159 lot of pun I've done it a ton ouber a 839 00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.360 ton because I had two of my cheer pieces come 840 00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:19.440 out of there, probably more than any other dungeon end 841 00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:21.920 the game dungeon. And even with I thought it was 842 00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:24.159 a bunch of pugs who have never done it before. 843 00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:26.440 And if you just take I've taken the time to 844 00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:28.360 like I was like all right, time out. I'm gonna 845 00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.880 explain this, and I just write out, like pretend they're 846 00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:34.679 in kindergarten, and I just write out everything he does. 847 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.280 These are mechanics, is are strategies. Is the order of 848 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:39.320 the seals. I make sure I'm not one of them 849 00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:40.960 so I can back someone up if they mess up. 850 00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:45.079 And it's for you know, some players get it and 851 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:46.880 some players don't. But I don't think it's a pug 852 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:50.639 killer if you just if you just take the time 853 00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:52.440 to explain to people, it can be done. It's like 854 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:53.920 you have a brain, it can be done, and the 855 00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.400 fight doesn't really ask that much of you. I feel 856 00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:59.960 like the strat undead the Baron fight is actually takes 857 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.079 more skill, it's more difficult on people, and it's a 858 00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:04.440 bigger gear check than trackers. 859 00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:08.280 Yeah, so yeah, it's just a question of you know, 860 00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:12.280 taking that time to communicate. But then also, like I 861 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:17.840 agree that the average Wow classic gamer will struggle with 862 00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:22.440 this encounter because the average Wow Classic gamer can't get 863 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:24.559 their head around much more than a tank and spank. 864 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:28.079 That's just the pure reality. And even worse on the 865 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.840 private service scene, where like we have kept noting it 866 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:33.679 seems like the skill level, you know, if it even 867 00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:36.519 could does go down a little bit on a private server. 868 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:41.679 So I've I've really not seen much of it because, 869 00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:44.280 like I said, I've been exclusively running guild runs. Did 870 00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:47.199 my first fucking park last night, which I gancel, but 871 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:49.239 you know, two out of the five people in the 872 00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:54.360 party were guilties. But yeah, I'd be interested to hear 873 00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:56.119 from more and more of you as you start to 874 00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.880 see this stuff, whether you think for some reason Epoch 875 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.760 crosses the line in terms of difficulty. You know, I 876 00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:08.000 still haven't done a Princess fight. Sorry, not the Princess fight, 877 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.480 you know, the end of BRD. I haven't done that, boss, 878 00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:13.320 I haven't done a strath yet. All I've done is Scholar, 879 00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:17.840 LBRs and ub r S, and I fucking love, love, 880 00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:19.960 love love all three of them. I love the last 881 00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:24.559 encounter of LBRs. I love what they did with the dogs. 882 00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:28.639 I just I just think that there they've been on 883 00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.800 point in terms of we're just gonna ask a little 884 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:34.639 bit more from the players in dungeons, and it's really good. 885 00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:37.280 That's been great. 886 00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:42.719 Can I say one thing about that? Yeah, I'm not 887 00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.440 sixty yet, so I haven't tried party or your burs 888 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.400 or anything like that. But I'm loving they increased the 889 00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:53.159 difficulty of it. There is a Shade of Iranicus and 890 00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:56.000 sung on Temple, which. 891 00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:59.920 Is, oh yeah, it's hard, much fucking. 892 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:02.199 Harder than he is on Classic. 893 00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:04.400 Did you get it down? 894 00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:08.760 And no, I didn't, But I personally I don't care. 895 00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:11.280 It was fun. I loved it. 896 00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:12.719 A pretty big difficulty spike. 897 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.880 Yeah, and we were all like fifty two, so it 898 00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:19.000 was like we needed we needed like higher level. It's 899 00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:23.519 it was fine. I didn't mind, but getting a getting 900 00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:27.119 a group to song Con Temple is a fucking bitch. 901 00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:32.960 Like people are not queuing up for that dungeon. And 902 00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:35.920 I'm guessing because of Shade of. 903 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.320 Her Arm because they've heard yeah, and. 904 00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:44.840 So I mean, I think it's a bit overspiked, sure, 905 00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:52.480 but I would have I would have been been able 906 00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:55.280 to go, like at fifty four, fifty five. Maybe I'm 907 00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:59.440 fifty five now almost fifty six, but I haven't been 908 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:00.559 able to get a group for it. 909 00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:03.800 I haven't heard. I haven't heard from anyone in the 910 00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:06.599 Countdown Guild that has killed Shide of Iranicus. So you 911 00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:08.719 might be onto something that maybe it is a bit 912 00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:15.280 too high. Sorry, say again, who is that? 913 00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.679 I say, me and Jagant are both killed? Shit of eranic? 914 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:23.519 Oh you got it? Oh very good? What did you 915 00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:25.599 think of it? 916 00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:28.159 It was tough, it's not. It's a no joke fight. 917 00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:30.199 I mean you need to know the mechanic of what's 918 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:32.920 going to happen and be ready for it and have 919 00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:35.400 the right comp for it and be a little bit 920 00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:39.360 over leveled. So and it's a pretty big spike too 921 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.559 from the typical fights you've been doing. Even though the 922 00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:45.119 rest of the fights are harder, it's a level above 923 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:47.880 so I can definitely see what the people are struggling 924 00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:48.920 to do. 925 00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:50.920 That. I was the only cash there in the group, 926 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.000 and that was just an ogo. 927 00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:56.519 That's a specific thing that you have to do in 928 00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:58.440 order to kill it. You have to take him out 929 00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:00.719 of his boss room and into the center chamber. 930 00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:09.519 That oh speaking of, Well, we'll do a full kangaroo 931 00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:12.800 court later on. But just before I forget, you mentioned 932 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.400 the run that we went to. No, sorry, this was 933 00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:23.280 a different one our last run in LBRs lads. Actually no, sorry, 934 00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.480 I'm lying, I'm lying. Where where were we? Yeah, we're 935 00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:29.119 same group smite as Priests and everything we did LBRs 936 00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:34.639 and speaking of dragging bosses to other rooms, I'm gonna 937 00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.079 kangaroo court the fuck out a smite who we go in. 938 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:41.199 We go into the last boss's room and he's like, oh, 939 00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:44.519 do you guys know that Cheese strapped for this one? 940 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:48.400 And we were like, no, what is it? And he goes, 941 00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:52.199 so you dragged the boss and pull it all the 942 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.519 way across the bridge back to the other room that 943 00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:58.599 we just came from, and the ads can't find you, 944 00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:01.000 and you just fight the boss with ads and we 945 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.719 were like, all right, we'll give it a go. But 946 00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:05.400 as soon as he said it, I was thinking in 947 00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:09.039 my head like, does he mean Epoch or on like 948 00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:13.000 Anniversary servers? So you pull the boss straight away, you 949 00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:16.159 start dragging him back, and as we're crossing the bridge, 950 00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:19.559 I finally say out loud, hey, Smite, do you mean 951 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.519 this works on Epoch, Like you've actually done this on 952 00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.519 Epoch or are you talking about other servers you've played before? 953 00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:28.840 And he goes, oh, I mean other Servers, And like, 954 00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:32.320 oh the fuck, you're fucking killing me. That would have 955 00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:34.559 been some great information to have before we did this 956 00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:38.760 fall and lo and behold the ads spawn and just 957 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.960 b line towards us. They can absolutely find us, and 958 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:47.440 now we are fighting the weirdest close quarters skirmish of 959 00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:51.280 all time in that tiny little corridor with like three 960 00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:55.519 ads and the fucking final boss. I don't know how 961 00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:57.519 we got through that fight, but we did it. And 962 00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:02.039 I was like, we just dug in, you know, it 963 00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:05.159 was I wanted to kill him. I wanted to kill him. 964 00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.119 I was feming, But anyway, we got it done. Sorry 965 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.320 Kangaroo record for that. That that one for Smite for sure. 966 00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:16.320 But anyway, so back to we're talking about Shade of Iranicus. 967 00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:19.519 So that's good that you guys got that one done. Anybody, 968 00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:20.880 Yeah you go for it. 969 00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:25.199 Mate, Yeah, I totally. Even though I'm glazing the ends 970 00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:28.599 dungeons I think are all perfect in terms of balance. 971 00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:31.000 I think it's okay to ask players a little bit 972 00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:34.079 more because it is it's more rewarding, and it's not 973 00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:36.559 like miss you know, we're not talking about retail level 974 00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:39.199 of mechanics. They're simple mechanics. They do punish you, but 975 00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:43.559 like they were, teamwork and communication and it's not too 976 00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:45.960 much to ask you, especially since they're no raids out 977 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:49.159 right now and they're kind of like the end game, uh, 978 00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:51.119 the end game content for the server. So I think 979 00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:54.039 it's they're totally reasonable, but for a leveling dungeon for 980 00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:56.840 Shade Ranicus and levels, some of the mobs are like 981 00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:00.639 forty eight when you start off in Sunken Temple. And 982 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:02.320 so I think there's two things that went on. One, 983 00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:04.679 the boss is too hard. There's no and there's no 984 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:08.760 like increase. They didn't really increase the loot tables for him. 985 00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:12.559 There's no rule increase rewards for how hard he is. 986 00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:17.360 And then there's no h And also there's also I 987 00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:21.440 think a hangover from sad doing that doing that place 988 00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:23.559 for you know, a lot of people did that place 989 00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:26.559 for like four months straight. So think there are a 990 00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:28.800 combo of things there there. And I think the mechanic 991 00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:31.280 is really fun. I like the mechanic they made. It's 992 00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:34.159 it's good. But I think he's just he's just just 993 00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.119 too much health. And I think the mechanic also spawned 994 00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:39.880 it's I don't want to ruin the mechanic, but they 995 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:41.159 could have done it in a ways where it's not 996 00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:44.079 as punishing or doesn't anyway that's too much. And I 997 00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:45.960 think that some of the lower dungeons are too have 998 00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:48.039 I think some of the lower dungeons, like the new 999 00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:52.159 deadlines is too I think it's too much. Not that 1000 00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:54.679 it's it's hard really, but it kind of it kind 1001 00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:56.960 of requires people. The health is too much, it takes 1002 00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:59.000 too long. And yeah, it's fun in the first time, 1003 00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:02.119 but for leveling I just don't anything under forty. The 1004 00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:05.119 dungeons I don't think should be that difficult because it 1005 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:09.079 forces people to spec or not forces, but it really 1006 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:11.800 encourages people to expect tank spec healer. 1007 00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:15.760 Yeah, I get I guess that's shorts. 1008 00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:18.880 And SHORTI of healers. I think post for once you 1009 00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:21.360 get due expect, then I think it's it's okay. But 1010 00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:23.719 like I think you should be able to tank before 1011 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:26.239 forty you should fuld a tank, dungeons and ener GPS 1012 00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:27.960 BAC you should will heal them in their GPS spec. 1013 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:32.079 I will agree that they're not that hard. 1014 00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:35.840 I just think for the lower end players it it 1015 00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:37.920 uh and even for the highering players they're just they're 1016 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:41.039 just all thinking about efficiency, you know, like while go 1017 00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:43.119 to a dungeon, they might just think, why I go 1018 00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:48.079 to duneons I can't find a tank and yeah, very 1019 00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:48.639 small point. 1020 00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:50.960 But you know, I think you spot on at that. 1021 00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:53.440 I agree, whereas you know I'm sitting here glazing it 1022 00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:57.360 over the difficulty. You know, I I personally like, I 1023 00:52:57.679 --> 00:52:59.559 think Dead Minds is in a great space. I think 1024 00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:02.199 well and everything was in a great space, but up 1025 00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:04.920 to a point where I agree with you, where it's 1026 00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:06.559 all well and good for me to sit here as 1027 00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:09.159 a warlock and be like, yeah, I've seen no fucking 1028 00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:11.360 dramas with it. You know, I think every dungeon has 1029 00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:13.360 had a really good level of difficulty. But like I 1030 00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:14.960 do agree because I've been thinking of it the last 1031 00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:18.280 few days that once you cross that sort of level 1032 00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:22.039 thirty five threshold and you get to say Glittermerk, and 1033 00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:25.480 now you're doing these you know, quote unquote more serious dungeons. 1034 00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:31.199 There is a night and day difference between being a 1035 00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:34.320 tank SPEC or a dedicated healer SPECK, and it's more 1036 00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:37.880 on the tanks and healers now, whereas DPS just gets 1037 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.039 to do whatever the fuck they were doing. But like 1038 00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:43.159 you shouldn't, you shouldn't handicap the tank and the healers 1039 00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:46.519 to now have to make a really really critical decision, 1040 00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:50.079 do I hamstring my leveling experience and level as a 1041 00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:52.880 tank or a healing spec or do I pay the 1042 00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:55.840 money to chop and change between the two. It's it. 1043 00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:59.599 I do want difficult dungeons, but you one hundred percent correct. 1044 00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:03.000 You shouldn't not forced tanks and healers to make that 1045 00:54:03.079 --> 00:54:05.480 difficult choice and have to be not that, not that 1046 00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:08.679 they have to be, but they really should be tank 1047 00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:11.559 or healing specs to do the dungeons because they are 1048 00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:16.119 relatively difficult. And like I know that, you know, were 1049 00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:21.760 I leveling a fucking paladin? Like I know you can 1050 00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:23.840 and people say it's more optimal to level as why 1051 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:26.000 or whatever, but like, you know, you want a level 1052 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:28.320 as red sometimes. You know, if you're if you're a 1053 00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:30.800 fucking warrior, you don't want a level as PROD. If 1054 00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:32.880 you're a shaman, you don't want a level as Resto. 1055 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:36.360 You know, Mike is saying he made this exact point 1056 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:38.599 weeks ago, and yeah, it's come up before it, And 1057 00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:41.599 I as I see more and more of the content, 1058 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:45.480 I really find myself vigorously agreeing with you guys that 1059 00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.079 that is a design flaw in that they were doing 1060 00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:51.639 the right thing and raising the difficulty and making these 1061 00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:56.280 dungeons more engaging. Perhaps the need to speck down those 1062 00:54:56.400 --> 00:54:59.960 trees is a fault because like people just it's it's 1063 00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:04.119 too hard logistically on people's either their wallets or just 1064 00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:05.519 their leveling times. 1065 00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:08.119 It makes you more specific. I know there's gonna be 1066 00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:09.719 people in the comments saying, you know, just get good. 1067 00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:12.880 You know, it's not that hard. The mechanics are great, 1068 00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:15.639 the increased mechanics are great, and it isn't that hard. 1069 00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:18.880 It's just the health pools of these mobs are increased 1070 00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:22.159 so much that if you take too much damage, like 1071 00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:24.840 if you're not spect as a tank, you know, because 1072 00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:26.480 you can easily hold threat as reht, you know you 1073 00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:30.880 have consecrate, you have righteous fear, and you have a 1074 00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:34.280 tent and say that you know warriors every class it's fine, 1075 00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:36.719 But if you take too much damage, you know, your 1076 00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:39.320 heal go out of mata and also just takes too 1077 00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:41.679 long to kill the trash for like an official run, 1078 00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.639 if you're not spect tank or healer, you have to 1079 00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:46.880 drink too much. So it's not like you can't do it, 1080 00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:49.679 but you'll just annoy the You'll just annoy the other 1081 00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:51.920 people in your group. So yeah, you definitely can do 1082 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:55.400 it unspect but you'll just you know, make everyone wait 1083 00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:56.559 longer and they'll get annoyed at you. 1084 00:55:57.400 --> 00:55:59.880 One thing I want to add to that, though, is 1085 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.440 like one of the dumb things though, boys, is that 1086 00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:05.800 like Vanilla has, like some of the dungeons have like 1087 00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:11.840 egregiously large gaps in the levels of the boss to 1088 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:16.519 the levels of the actual dungeon. Like I also couldn't 1089 00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:22.360 kill Askrakias or Ukranius or whatever his name was, the 1090 00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:27.679 Sunken Temple boss because he's like level fifty five and 1091 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.079 like most of the dungeon is like level fifty one, 1092 00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:33.760 and he and then they added like way harder mechanics 1093 00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:35.960 to him also, so it's like not only is he 1094 00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:40.599 slightly over leveling everybody, but he also is super hard now. 1095 00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.840 And Old Man is also another example where the last 1096 00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:46.239 boss is just way higher level than everyone. 1097 00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:49.039 Oh oh, I forgot about him. He's fucking hard. 1098 00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:53.320 Maradon right, like Princess is like fifty two compared to 1099 00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:55.880 the like the rest of the dungeons like forty eight. 1100 00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:59.239 You know, like it's I don't know, sometimes those last 1101 00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:01.840 bosses being to a higher level, but like maybe they 1102 00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:05.119 need to either lower the last boss level if they're. 1103 00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:06.920 Going to be adding a ton of mechanics or just 1104 00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:08.800 you know, maybe. 1105 00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:14.400 Just leaving them being a higher level as the mechanic 1106 00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.039 and getting a lot more missus and whatnot. 1107 00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:21.000 I now we're now officially referring to those things as 1108 00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.760 as krakenness and older man. So thank you, very smart. 1109 00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:28.519 I didn't realize you were here. Just whoever was about 1110 00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:30.719 to jump in, just jump in in three seconds. I 1111 00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:33.199 just want to say this to smite. I didn't realize 1112 00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:34.719 you were here. Somit. Do you want to answer for 1113 00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:37.519 your crimes in kangaroo court that I just lodged at you? 1114 00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:43.400 Guilty, dude, I so guilty. That was so embarrassing. 1115 00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:47.159 You were so confident, and I was like, you know, 1116 00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:49.320 you know when you know when you hear in someone's 1117 00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:52.880 voice that they're almost too confident, And I was like, hang. 1118 00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:59.360 On, yeah, yeah, no, I I read lead an anniversary. 1119 00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:02.760 So I just I need that false bravado to get me, 1120 00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:04.159 me and the boys through stuff, right. 1121 00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:05.719 So I love it. I love it. I'm going to 1122 00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:07.679 come back to you soon on healing as a priest 1123 00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:10.199 who was just about to jump in before please go nuts. 1124 00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:12.320 Yeah. 1125 00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.199 So they I feel like they made most of the 1126 00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:20.480 bosses like se seeable. So especially with like Ournicus, like 1127 00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:22.719 you can hibernate him and then just deal with the 1128 00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:23.719 ads and then. 1129 00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:25.960 Wait, there you go. 1130 00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:27.119 I hear him. 1131 00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:30.440 Yeah, because you can fear him. You can hibernate him, 1132 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:32.599 and then you just deal with the ads. You can 1133 00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:34.559 see him in a little manner, and then you do 1134 00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:35.039 it again. 1135 00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:36.920 You can fear him, and. 1136 00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:38.679 I feel like you can fear him. 1137 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:40.159 I actually had no. 1138 00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:43.039 Idea there you go, because we just don't. We don't 1139 00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:46.559 think to try because we're so used to CC does 1140 00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:48.920 not work on bosses. Is the mantra running through our 1141 00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:50.719 heads exactly? 1142 00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:53.840 I think I think it's I don't think it's a bug. 1143 00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:56.519 I think it's intentional, where like, yeah, we're gonna make 1144 00:58:56.519 --> 00:58:58.559 this harder, but we're also going to give you another out. 1145 00:58:58.840 --> 00:58:59.800 And are you going to think that. 1146 00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:02.719 You yeah, we have we made it harder. Question Mark, 1147 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:04.599 use your heads, think outside the box. 1148 00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:08.320 That's kind of awesome, that's. 1149 00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:10.599 Really cool to know. I really well, now I'm flipping. 1150 00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:12.920 Now I'm going you know what, where the but this 1151 00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:14.880 this is part of what I've been saying, Yak, is 1152 00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:19.239 that like I've hinted at this last week in talking 1153 00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:22.559 to Vestige, where I'm like, and we'll have a big 1154 00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:25.239 laugh about a certain priest issue that came up this 1155 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:29.679 week as well. But I've sort of been hinting at Ah, 1156 00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:31.920 you know, I know it's that I always do the 1157 00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:33.719 skinner meme of you know, am I so out of touch? 1158 00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:35.360 Or is it the children who are wrong? But like, 1159 00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:39.920 are we the problem in that we're being almost arguably 1160 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:44.159 held back by our preconceived beliefs about the game. It's 1161 00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:47.960 like I said this a million times during SOD, you're 1162 00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:52.159 not playing Wow Classic. You're playing SOD as SOD is 1163 00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:54.760 not Wow Classic, and Wow Classic is not SOD. You 1164 00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:58.440 are playing a new game. Effectively figure it out. And 1165 00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.639 the mantra exists for Epoch as well. You're not playing 1166 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:05.960 Wow Classic, you're playing Epoch. The rules are different, but 1167 01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:09.360 we struggle to get away from the shackles of the 1168 01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:11.679 rules that we've dealt with, the rule set that we've 1169 01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:14.920 played under for fucking twenty years. And if you just 1170 01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:18.000 actually start to think outside the box and try new things, 1171 01:00:18.039 --> 01:00:19.840 this server does seem to reward you. 1172 01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:25.119 Very true, very true. 1173 01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:31.800 So on that note, Vestige, while I remember, and like 1174 01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:35.280 I said, you know, the question is are we the problem? 1175 01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:36.079 You know? 1176 01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:36.480 You? 1177 01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:38.360 You and Jack have been on the show the last 1178 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:41.559 couple of weeks going this fucking surge of light talent. 1179 01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:44.920 It's fucking broken. When are these caun't's going to fix 1180 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:48.159 these bugs? This server is out of control. And I 1181 01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.360 finally rolled a priest this week, like I said, and 1182 01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:52.360 I got it to level twenty. But as soon as 1183 01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:54.320 I hit level ten, obviously I got access to my 1184 01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:57.880 talent tree. And it's hard because the old you know, 1185 01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:00.639 Project Epoch website is obviously being taken down via the 1186 01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:03.239 season desist issues, so we can't go back and check 1187 01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:05.480 what they had on the website. But I looked at 1188 01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:08.239 the talent straight away and I was like, okay, let 1189 01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:10.000 me see this search of Light thing that the guys 1190 01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:12.400 sort of keep talking about. And I read that the 1191 01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:16.239 tool tip and I go, wait, hang on, let me 1192 01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:18.199 read that again. And I read it again and it 1193 01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:22.360 goes you get a free free instance Smite, and there's 1194 01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:25.960 no reference whatsoever to a flash heel or any healing 1195 01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:28.360 spell whatsoever. And I go, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, 1196 01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:31.480 have these guys been saying this thing has been broken? 1197 01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:35.320 When it's actually working exactly as intended because I looked 1198 01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:38.719 up that on TBC. That's how the TBC talent works. 1199 01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:40.800 It's just a free smite, nothing to do with healing. 1200 01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:44.239 It's wrath, and later on that they introduced the healing aspect. So, 1201 01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:48.280 in fairness to you, I was like, look, guys, one 1202 01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:51.159 of two things has happened here, and I think one 1203 01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:54.039 is more likely than the other where they've done a 1204 01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:56.880 stealth change to the text, and you guys were correct. 1205 01:01:56.960 --> 01:01:59.360 It did reference healing, and now they've gone and changed 1206 01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:02.760 that was never intended to affect healing, so they've just, 1207 01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:05.559 you know, now put the appropriate tooltip in the game, 1208 01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:10.159 or they couldn't get the healing aspect working, so they've 1209 01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:12.679 just changed it the other way around and gone off, 1210 01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:15.400 fuck them, We'll just make it only effect smite. And 1211 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:18.679 we've we've gone the raging debate with a lot of 1212 01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:20.880 tongue in cheek over the last few days, going like, 1213 01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:25.400 did you guys seriously see the reference to healing in 1214 01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:27.320 the tooltip or are we all going crazy? 1215 01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:34.039 Yeah, that's pretty much it, because I'm still the conspiracy 1216 01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:38.000 theory that they it was there because I messaged a 1217 01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:40.159 GM about it. They said it was a known bug, 1218 01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:43.840 So either that GM was just bullshitty, mean just telling 1219 01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:46.039 that everybody, which could be the case. Maybe every bug 1220 01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:49.679 being reported was a known bug in on it. But 1221 01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:54.199 I swore I read it that way multiple time, and 1222 01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:59.000 I have a feeling that it was just the Wrath client, 1223 01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:03.760 which does include the flash heel in the text. And 1224 01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:06.440 then maybe somebody finally realized, oh, it shouldn't be that 1225 01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:10.559 way and they fixed it. But yeah, it made me 1226 01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:14.079 question my own sanity for you know, hour or two yack. 1227 01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:16.239 Oh, same thing. 1228 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:21.039 I when I first was going to switch to Smite Priest, 1229 01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:23.519 I was looking at the talents and I remember Investage 1230 01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:26.079 saying like, hey, this isn't working or it's only half working. 1231 01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:28.920 So I looked at it and I'm like, do I 1232 01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:32.400 even take it? Is it even worth it? And I 1233 01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:37.039 ended up taking it anyway. But as soon as as 1234 01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:40.119 soon as you said something about it, like only showing Smite, 1235 01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:42.480 Mazie went up, and you know, I was looking into 1236 01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:45.360 it a bit more while I was at work, and. 1237 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:45.920 I think you're right. 1238 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:49.400 I think it's it got poured over, the text got 1239 01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.639 ported over with the Rath client, and they were like, oh, 1240 01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:54.719 this isn't how we want it to work. Yeah, and 1241 01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:56.159 they just shadow changed it. 1242 01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:59.119 I reckon they changed the text, But can you appreciate 1243 01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:02.920 it from my point of view where I began tearing 1244 01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:05.079 my hair out going. If I've had to listen to 1245 01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:08.239 these fucking caun'ts talk rage about this bug for the 1246 01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:10.400 last couple of weeks and it wasn't a bug, they 1247 01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:12.639 just misread it, I'm going to lose my mind. 1248 01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:17.000 Yeah, yeah, it was very possible. 1249 01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:20.360 It's very possible. I don't discount my own stupidity sometimes. 1250 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:26.039 Oh my goodness. Anyway, boys going off of that. So 1251 01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:29.880 that's a kangaroo caught on YouTube. Perhaps perhaps the jury's 1252 01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:30.599 out on that one. 1253 01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:33.559 Sci Fi also agreed with us. I want to say 1254 01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:34.760 we're part of the Priest Union. 1255 01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:39.559 So yeah, yeah, the powerful Priest Union. The Priest Union is, 1256 01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:43.199 the Priest Union is powerful and growing with vestige. Yak. 1257 01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:47.079 Sci Fi smites myself now on an alt joining it, 1258 01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:51.320 the powerful Priest rising up. Now, look, guys, we'll get 1259 01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:54.480 into the priest healing later on, trust me. But I 1260 01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:57.400 just want to finish off on this discussion. Does anyone 1261 01:04:57.440 --> 01:04:59.480 else have anything to add a lot of you guys 1262 01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:02.280 asked leveling, and there's fucking nothing wrong with that. It's 1263 01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:05.519 a long journey. Does anyone else have anything to say 1264 01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:08.800 pros or cons about the difficulty of dungeons along the 1265 01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:16.239 leveling journey or even at sixty speak now or forever 1266 01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:18.480 hold your silence, No, okay. 1267 01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:19.320 Can you hear me? 1268 01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:19.760 Yeah? 1269 01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:23.800 Yeah, that's mark your Yeah. 1270 01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:27.119 I feel with the difficulty is spike is great. Also, 1271 01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:34.559 I disagree on the you know it being too difficult 1272 01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:37.039 in the early levels. I feel if you just have 1273 01:05:37.159 --> 01:05:42.960 a good set of gear for you know your offspect, 1274 01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:46.760 not needing to actually you don't need to be suspect 1275 01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:50.360 into proper respected healing. You just need to get yourself 1276 01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:53.719 half decent gear and you can still get it done. 1277 01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:56.719 Too easy. 1278 01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:00.079 It really sounds like just get good. 1279 01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:05.880 Yes, yeah, but the answer yeah. 1280 01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:09.559 It encourages like the whole player base to level of 1281 01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:13.920 their game. Also, I'm on the on the side of 1282 01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:20.760 encouraging people to level as their spec builds better tanks 1283 01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:21.599 and healers. 1284 01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:23.199 It gives you a. 1285 01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:29.840 Like a class identity that sticks with you along the way. 1286 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:33.239 You think of yourself as the tank, you think of 1287 01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:37.119 yourself as the healer. You're not Oh, I'm gonna just 1288 01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:41.119 you know, step into this dungeon and and and tank 1289 01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:43.800 it because there's no other choice. It's like, I want 1290 01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:45.679 to tank this thing. I want to heal this thing. 1291 01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:51.400 So therefore I inspect into that even though my leveling 1292 01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:54.480 you know, takes a hit, it's a sacrifice I'm willing 1293 01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:56.920 to make because I'm willing to go all in into that. 1294 01:06:57.119 --> 01:07:00.400 Into that class fantasy now. 1295 01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:05.960 Having a a leveling as a prop warrior and as 1296 01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:06.679 a Holy pally. 1297 01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:12.519 So that just results unless dungeons happening though, right, like 1298 01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:15.440 most of the level of damage dealers, because that's the 1299 01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:21.840 better questing specs. And I don't know, I can appreciate 1300 01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:24.199 the class fantasy aspect, you know, like I love being 1301 01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:27.639 a prop paladin when I play a paladin, but I 1302 01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:30.480 don't love being arrested shaman when I play a shaman. 1303 01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:33.480 And I have been the main healer and so many 1304 01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:35.360 fucking dungeons that I can promise. 1305 01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:38.440 You I would not have held healed any of those 1306 01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:41.360 dungeons if it weren't for dual spec for. 1307 01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:46.760 Example, absolute true, but taking a heat for the guild. 1308 01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:49.280 Right, it would just have resulted in wayless dungeons getting 1309 01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:52.039 done and just way less content being seen and less 1310 01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:53.079 game getting played. 1311 01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:56.440 I love it. Sorry, sorry you got. 1312 01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:01.280 I have to I have to agree with about this 1313 01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:08.639 back and like Vanilla, I leveled a Rusta Drewid, and 1314 01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:12.280 I leveled as a rustl droid like all the way, 1315 01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:17.920 which is in hundset was fucking stupid and was fucking hard, 1316 01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:23.399 but we didn't know any better, so we're just dead. 1317 01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:25.159 I must say that's going mate. 1318 01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:30.520 No, I just and I'm just saying as as and 1319 01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:34.680 I think of myself as a rust Druid. Like every 1320 01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:39.119 every step since I'm in retail, I'm arrested droid, always 1321 01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:40.279 have been, always will be. 1322 01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:47.279 All right, apologies guys, iways I seem to interrupt a lot, 1323 01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:49.439 but it's the host in me. I dive in to 1324 01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:52.600 save dead air. So if someone takes a long pause, 1325 01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:55.319 I'll jump in and go and say something anything to 1326 01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:58.119 stop to stop the what they call dead air in radio. 1327 01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:02.760 But that's just the wido in me. So apologies for that. Alcoa, MRK. 1328 01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:06.720 If I can come back to you and just say, uh, 1329 01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:10.600 you know, I I completely appreciate what you're saying, and 1330 01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:13.399 you know, no one's wrong here. It's a preference issue. 1331 01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:15.640 You are getting a fair bit of pushback, you know, 1332 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:19.359 from Mike our boy Boils of Steel is going nuts 1333 01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:21.760 in twitch chat against you, Merk going no, and as 1334 01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:24.319 some of the guys are saying here, that's ridiculous. You've 1335 01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:26.720 got to get people into the content. Fuck the immersion, 1336 01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:29.600 blah blah blah. But you know, I'm sure you appreciate 1337 01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:31.439 the opposite side of the argument as well. 1338 01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:40.079 Oh, definitely, I can appreciate and sympathize, and to a 1339 01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:45.399 certain degree I do. I do think that if your 1340 01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:48.079 goal is to just get people to experience the content, 1341 01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:52.039 then then yes, you should be able to just dual 1342 01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:55.560 spec it and do spec should be free so everybody 1343 01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:59.840 can just switch whatever the needle rises. But I do 1344 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:06.000 feel that that dilutes the character identity of players. And 1345 01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:08.920 in a perfect world we have enough healers and thanks 1346 01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:12.560 to do all the content. And the reality, especially the 1347 01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:14.800 reality of a private server, is that you have a 1348 01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:17.000 limited amount of population and you do need to take 1349 01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:20.560 those aspects in order to get the things done. 1350 01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:28.800 Okay, I'll keep you going, Merk, just because I'll tell 1351 01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:32.840 a funny story mate. I was wondering, have you heard 1352 01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:37.279 the funny story about our questions surrounding you to this 1353 01:10:37.479 --> 01:10:42.239 point or not I have not Okay, all right, I'll 1354 01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:45.119 tell you a very funny story. So now, if you 1355 01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:48.079 don't mind me getting a little slightly personal, please do 1356 01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:51.079 not answer any questions you're not comfortable with answering. Merkshield. 1357 01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:54.319 The guys have loved you. You fit really well into 1358 01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:58.920 the guild, your fan favorite. Mate. Am I detecting a 1359 01:10:59.239 --> 01:10:59.960 Mexican accent? 1360 01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:00.359 There? 1361 01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:02.680 That is correct? 1362 01:11:02.920 --> 01:11:04.720 Very good? Now, I think I know where you're from. 1363 01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:06.239 Do you mind if I say so on the show 1364 01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:07.560 or do you want me to keep that secret? 1365 01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:09.720 Go ahead? 1366 01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:13.560 Okay, so you're from TJ, right, that's right, very good. 1367 01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:14.319 I have been there. 1368 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:18.000 I've done a day in TJ. I know all about it. 1369 01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:20.840 When I was a younger man, a very younger man. 1370 01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:23.800 I was like fourteen when I was there. But mate, 1371 01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:29.520 you and your spot in this guild was a behind 1372 01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:34.760 your back, a topic of great discussion amongst the higher 1373 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:38.960 ups in the guild, amongst Ubiquitous, myself and Marcus and Arcos, 1374 01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:43.039 We were like, who's this Mrkshield guy? Who's this Murkshield guy? 1375 01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:47.600 The reason being there was just when the server launched, 1376 01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:50.399 people might remember from about three or four episodes ago, 1377 01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:56.399 our old friend Tim from the Classic team jumped in 1378 01:11:56.640 --> 01:11:59.560 on a podcast recording and we were talking about you know, 1379 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.079 Pop launching and Blizzard needing to do better with their 1380 01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:06.720 Classic plus and match what Epoch has done, and we 1381 01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:12.279 were having a back and forth, and all I'll say 1382 01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:17.199 is after that interaction, speculation was rife on whether or 1383 01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:20.520 not anyone from Blizzard would actually try Epoch and we 1384 01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:23.680 were like, Dragon, the Blizzard guys actually roll a tune 1385 01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:26.560 on this server and give it a go, you know, 1386 01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:29.199 just to poke their heads around and see what kind 1387 01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:32.520 of things people are liking or not liking with private servers, 1388 01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:35.079 and whether or not they recycle any of those ideas 1389 01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:37.479 with what they're doing. And so we were like, yeah, 1390 01:12:37.479 --> 01:12:39.640 I wonder if Tim's playing. I wonder if Tim's playing. 1391 01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:44.079 And then we started sort of like playing the guessing 1392 01:12:44.199 --> 01:12:47.680 game of if Tim were playing in any aspect on 1393 01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:51.560 this server, you know, would he join the Countdown guild 1394 01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:54.079 and if so, who would he be? And so we 1395 01:12:54.439 --> 01:12:56.880 knew there was fuck all chance Tim was probably playing 1396 01:12:56.920 --> 01:12:58.600 on the server or playing with us, but we thought, 1397 01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:00.600 on the one percent chance a year, who would it be? 1398 01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:04.520 And all our Sherlock Holmes hats were put on, and 1399 01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:08.840 we firmly kept coming back to you Murkshield because we 1400 01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:14.359 were like, hmm, well, this guy's name is Merkshield and 1401 01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:18.000 he's often online with another person in the guild called 1402 01:13:18.159 --> 01:13:21.399 oaken Shield, and we were like, oh, we think oaken 1403 01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:24.760 Shield is a grind because that's a dwarf paladin with 1404 01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:27.279 an RP name, and that's something a grend would do 1405 01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:32.520 with no fucking evidence whatsoever. To prove that, we just said, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1406 01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:35.520 we'll convince ourselves that that's what's going on. And then 1407 01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:38.159 we were like, this Murkshield guy is always on and 1408 01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:41.239 seems to be leveling with oaken Shield, and we were like, oh, 1409 01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:43.880 I bet you murk Shield is tim and oaken Shield 1410 01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:47.640 is a grand and we knew the chances were, like 1411 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:50.520 I say, very very very low. So we started like 1412 01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:54.439 getting the guys to prod you for like mildly and 1413 01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:57.720 as I asked them to do it, as you know, 1414 01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:00.920 sort of cloak and daggery as they could and not 1415 01:14:01.039 --> 01:14:03.000 be obvious that they were trying to find out more 1416 01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:05.399 about you. Our costs blew that out of the water. 1417 01:14:05.479 --> 01:14:07.079 One day when he did a Dungeon with you and 1418 01:14:07.199 --> 01:14:11.119 was doing stuff like so is anyone here from the USA, 1419 01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:15.039 like that's how he found out where you're from and stuff, 1420 01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:17.319 and we were like and when we found out you 1421 01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:20.399 were from TJ, I was like, there is no fucking 1422 01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:23.239 way anyone in this guild is from TJ. There is 1423 01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:27.359 zero chance. And I was like, that's it. Tim confirmed, 1424 01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:31.279 he's lying, same time zone and everything. He plays a warrior. 1425 01:14:31.399 --> 01:14:34.239 Tim loves to play a warrior. It's you know, done 1426 01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:36.479 and dusted. And even though, like I say, we kept 1427 01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:38.479 laughing that there was fuck all chance this was true, 1428 01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:41.479 but it's what we liked to convince ourselves. So now 1429 01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:44.239 having heard all that and hearing obviously your voice on 1430 01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:47.479 the podcast, Merk, I guess I can confirm that it's true. 1431 01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:50.520 You are not the head of the Wow Classic team. 1432 01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:54.439 Would you say, I'd say that's a fair assessment. 1433 01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:57.279 Okay, very good, very good. 1434 01:14:57.800 --> 01:14:57.960 Yeah. 1435 01:14:58.000 --> 01:14:59.960 And also the way you talked, because you were very 1436 01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:00.960 you have got. 1437 01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:03.279 Like that, I know. 1438 01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:06.000 But also we were analyzing I swear to god, this 1439 01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:09.079 is we're so dumb like this. We were analyzing everything 1440 01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:13.760 you said, like it was the fucking zodiac letters where 1441 01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:16.399 we were like, oh, he speaks so politely, and look 1442 01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:18.960 at the good grammar that he's sorry, so look at 1443 01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:22.000 the grammar and sentence structure that he's using. I reckon, 1444 01:15:22.079 --> 01:15:24.279 this is Tim. He talks like that, Oh God, we're 1445 01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:25.119 such fuck weds. 1446 01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:26.479 Ha ha. 1447 01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:29.159 That's fucking insane. 1448 01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:31.119 It is. 1449 01:15:31.399 --> 01:15:34.960 It is insane. But anyway, that's that's the Tim. If 1450 01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:37.159 you're listening to this, please have a laugh about that. 1451 01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:43.319 But anyway, moving on from that, I just want to 1452 01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:46.560 say I think it's fair to address an issue that's 1453 01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:49.479 been brought up in twitch chat just now. I have 1454 01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:51.960 certain feelings towards it. I'd like to hear what your 1455 01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:54.800 guys thoughts are. We've got a person who's just found 1456 01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:57.359 the podcast, who's for the first time, and he's saying, like, 1457 01:15:57.439 --> 01:16:00.000 hey man, you know I played epoch, but I quit yesterday, 1458 01:16:00.279 --> 01:16:02.520 Like you know, they're not telling us what's happening with 1459 01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:05.560 the server and there's only two thousand people online. You know, 1460 01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:08.000 I was told I was promised there was going to 1461 01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:12.239 be ten to fifteen. K I've got relatively strong thoughts 1462 01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:15.039 about this that I'll tee off on, but I'd maybe 1463 01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:18.239 invite you guys to speak first about like how have 1464 01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:20.600 you guys felt about the feel of the server the 1465 01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:22.479 last week, and like I said, I'm not going to 1466 01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:26.479 sugarcoat it. Numbers are going down. How do you feel 1467 01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:28.920 about that? How do you feel about the roadmap issue 1468 01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:32.600 and everything? And does that deter you in any way 1469 01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:34.239 from playing what Epoch has to offer. 1470 01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:39.119 I feel like it almost doesn't matter what's real. It 1471 01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:43.119 just matters, like the perception of it, if that makes sense. 1472 01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:46.199 Like a lot of people don't know like what we 1473 01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:49.119 know about how like the guys are probably still working 1474 01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:51.600 on it in the shadows and just like Hit like 1475 01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:54.560 threw up the stealth cloud like the I think in 1476 01:16:54.920 --> 01:16:58.079 a previous podcast you were saying, like it's almost like 1477 01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:01.560 the Facebook meme where all the old people would be 1478 01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:04.960 like I do not consent to my photos being used 1479 01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:09.319 or whatever. And with that being the case, like a 1480 01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:12.439 lot of people on the server don't know that they 1481 01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:15.640 think that they were actually one hundred percent abandoned and 1482 01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:19.359 it might not have a few future and Bronze Beard's 1483 01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:21.119 just gonna snake all the people. 1484 01:17:22.119 --> 01:17:26.199 We don't know that also, like that's super speculative on 1485 01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:28.640 our part, and I don't think there's a broad consensus 1486 01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:31.359 within the countdown community as to that being the case, 1487 01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:33.920 because I'm personally of the no I think they've fucking 1488 01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:38.680 failed kind of opinion personally, But after. 1489 01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:40.680 Four years of working on a project to just like 1490 01:17:41.119 --> 01:17:42.920 at the first drop of the hat, I know that 1491 01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:45.279 it's a little bit more serious than maybe they had thought. 1492 01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:47.039 But that's kind of wild. 1493 01:17:48.479 --> 01:17:50.520 I think they made their money what money they were 1494 01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:53.720 going to make from it, and but that's we don't 1495 01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:56.119 need to get into this, just the point being that 1496 01:17:56.319 --> 01:17:59.079 like we don't know, nobody knows well, we. 1497 01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:01.279 Can talk about we can talk about what we do know. 1498 01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:03.359 And like I said, I'll reframe it again as like 1499 01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:06.720 you guys read the subreddit, you log on the game 1500 01:18:06.800 --> 01:18:08.640 every day and you see what you see, and I'm 1501 01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:11.119 asking you what do you see? Are you bothered at 1502 01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:14.000 all by a slight dip in the numbers from let's 1503 01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:15.840 say even just over the last week, let's say like 1504 01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:18.439 ten fifteen percent of people have walked away from the 1505 01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:20.960 game or whatever, or you know, if you're doing your 1506 01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:24.039 I think the census start is still being run and 1507 01:18:24.199 --> 01:18:26.600 is still quite strong. And to trust me, I'm going 1508 01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:28.439 to go pretty heavy on this when you guys are 1509 01:18:28.479 --> 01:18:30.399 done so I'm just holding back for now. I want 1510 01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:33.479 to hear what you think has the look of the 1511 01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:37.239 server and the information we have about the future of 1512 01:18:37.279 --> 01:18:40.439 the server over the last seven days done anything to 1513 01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:42.600 affect the way you think about Epoch. 1514 01:18:44.079 --> 01:18:48.239 Last year I said no, they made essentially made a 1515 01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:50.680 public statement that they've got raid plans and the works 1516 01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:53.960 and the debt team. I don't know why. I mean, 1517 01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:56.159 maybe it's true, maybe it's not, but they've already said that. 1518 01:18:56.199 --> 01:18:59.600 There's an lefe to say, well, I don't expect them. 1519 01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:02.399 I don't expect them to have to build a find 1520 01:19:02.439 --> 01:19:05.560 a new dev team in like a week and to 1521 01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:09.159 get this stuff done like they inherited an incredibly buggy server. 1522 01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:14.800 They weren't they weren't expecting to become developers. That wasn't 1523 01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:18.479 a deal, and the poppyple dropped out. So I think 1524 01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:20.520 it's going to take a while. So I don't expect 1525 01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:21.640 to hear from them anytime soon. 1526 01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:24.479 Let me ask this question of the crowd, because this 1527 01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:26.600 is going to factor in largely into what I say 1528 01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:32.039 at the end of this. Does anyone he seriously believe 1529 01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:34.960 that the raids are not going to be released on 1530 01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:42.239 Project Epoch? No, No, I'm going to take yet they're coming. 1531 01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:45.079 So everyone here would would would would sign up to 1532 01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:48.359 that that at some point in time, raids are going 1533 01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:50.680 to be released and this server is just going is 1534 01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:54.680 not just going to be ditched with like no first 1535 01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:56.800 tier of raid content ever coming to it. 1536 01:19:58.279 --> 01:20:00.680 No, No, I think there could be a possibility. 1537 01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:02.800 Okay, tell him talk to me Vestage, talk to me 1538 01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:04.319 about why you think that's a possibility. 1539 01:20:06.119 --> 01:20:09.800 If find if they can't find a proper dev team 1540 01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:12.760 in time, and the server gets to a population level 1541 01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:17.000 where they don't think it's salvageable, would they bother investing 1542 01:20:17.199 --> 01:20:19.760 all this time into a server that they think is 1543 01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:22.479 really not gonna last long and it's gonna cost them 1544 01:20:22.520 --> 01:20:26.359 money and they're not cash shop for I could see 1545 01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:29.399 them just then saying Okay, well it is what it is, 1546 01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:32.159 and we're just gonna milk whatever we have left on 1547 01:20:32.279 --> 01:20:37.800 it and let Epoch die. So you'd see thatsiness perspective. 1548 01:20:37.840 --> 01:20:40.279 You would effectively be I know where you're coming from. 1549 01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:42.720 But you would also effectively, as part of that argument, 1550 01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:44.920 be saying that that's gonna happen within the next four 1551 01:20:44.960 --> 01:20:45.640 to six weeks. 1552 01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:50.920 I mean, what is the assurance that the raids are 1553 01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:53.039 gonna come out in the next four to six weeks 1554 01:20:53.359 --> 01:20:57.520 to take counter you're You're like, for all we know, 1555 01:20:57.640 --> 01:20:59.359 it could be months, it. 1556 01:20:59.680 --> 01:21:04.039 Could will timeline, but the sorry you got it's already 1557 01:21:04.039 --> 01:21:06.680 been announced, like they we already know they have that 1558 01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:09.680 first tier made ready to launch, so like. 1559 01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:12.720 Well, the Maid and ready to launch, and not by 1560 01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:16.119 the previous announcements that should already be out now, shouldn't it. 1561 01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:21.560 Like maybe I'm not as I'm not in the Ascension discord, 1562 01:21:22.239 --> 01:21:25.039 so like maybe I'm fucking way off base, But like 1563 01:21:26.600 --> 01:21:29.439 I feel like given the time, we've only been given 1564 01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:31.600 a time frame once, and that time frame was given 1565 01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:35.359 to us by the oldie Park team, and I think 1566 01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:39.640 it's reasonable to, you know, be unsure. I'm still all 1567 01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:41.880 in for this, but I also like could give a 1568 01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:44.840 shit about pugs, right, I'm only doing dungeons if. 1569 01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:48.279 Y'all are on, and I'm happy to raid with just 1570 01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:48.800 you guys. 1571 01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:54.319 But like, I like, you know, the server is definitely 1572 01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:57.840 from like an economy standpoint, I think there might be 1573 01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:01.119 slightly less options up like I haven't, or maybe it's 1574 01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:04.439 more just the big Chase epics maybe are better known. 1575 01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:06.640 So they're not on the auction house as much anymore 1576 01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:11.279 as they once were. But I don't think it's unreasonable 1577 01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:15.479 to have vestiges, you know, reserved kind of opinion as 1578 01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:15.960 about shit. 1579 01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:18.680 Well, I wouldn't. I mean, I'm not going to say 1580 01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:20.560 it's what I think is going to happen. I can 1581 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:23.960 just see from a business perspective that if the Epoch 1582 01:22:24.039 --> 01:22:25.560 team left and they have to get a whole new 1583 01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:29.199 dev team, that's going to cost money. And if they 1584 01:22:29.239 --> 01:22:31.600 get to the point where they say, the money that 1585 01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:34.399 we think we're going to bring in is going to 1586 01:22:34.439 --> 01:22:36.560 be less than the cost to run the server and 1587 01:22:36.760 --> 01:22:38.479 pay for a whole new team and do all these 1588 01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:41.199 other stuff, I could see them making a decision that 1589 01:22:41.319 --> 01:22:44.600 it's just not worth long term for them to do that. 1590 01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:49.920 Do I want that to happen, No, But I could see. 1591 01:22:49.800 --> 01:22:53.119 A plane out, yeah, totally. 1592 01:22:53.319 --> 01:22:56.000 Like if bron Spear takes off and they're like, oh shit, 1593 01:22:56.159 --> 01:22:58.479 this is a cash cow, they might want to just 1594 01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:02.039 pour all of their manpower resources into that. I don't 1595 01:23:02.479 --> 01:23:05.319 personally expect that to happen, because I don't. I think 1596 01:23:05.359 --> 01:23:07.159 a big part of what makes epop great is that 1597 01:23:07.239 --> 01:23:10.840 it's not pay to win, and the problem with all 1598 01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:14.479 of Ascension's other servers is that they are so you know, 1599 01:23:14.920 --> 01:23:17.560 I'm expecting rates to happen, but I don't think it's 1600 01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:20.119 impossible that we might be two months from now going 1601 01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:22.279 like I would really love for MC to come out 1602 01:23:23.079 --> 01:23:23.880 looking forward to it. 1603 01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:29.720 You know, I'm I mean, nothing's impossible. We used to 1604 01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:32.159 say this in court all the time, where someone makes 1605 01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:35.520 a weird statement about possibility and it's like, nothing's impossible. 1606 01:23:36.560 --> 01:23:42.199 But I the reason I discussed this is like, I 1607 01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:46.279 just I don't see it happening, like none of them. 1608 01:23:46.560 --> 01:23:50.640 I have not been moved in any way about all 1609 01:23:50.720 --> 01:23:54.680 this news about the Epoch team leaving. We're looking for 1610 01:23:54.880 --> 01:24:00.000 new devs, you know, no roadmap, and I know it's frustrated. 1611 01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:02.159 It's not like I don't think about it at all, 1612 01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:06.319 but I've just not been moved from my position of well, 1613 01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:08.840 I mean, the raids are going to come out at 1614 01:24:08.920 --> 01:24:11.880 some point, and it's not I'm sure they're not going 1615 01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:15.840 to do it at a stupid point in time. You know, 1616 01:24:16.600 --> 01:24:18.319 do I expect the raids next week? 1617 01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:18.600 No? 1618 01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:22.159 A lot of people are still leveling, you know, do 1619 01:24:22.279 --> 01:24:26.319 I think that the raids won't be out in four months. Yeah, 1620 01:24:26.319 --> 01:24:27.920 I think that's probably a little bit long. I think 1621 01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:29.960 they'll be out before then. But like my point is, 1622 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:33.359 I think that you know, Epoch still has a healthy 1623 01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:37.079 population and raids. You know, it's not going to be 1624 01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:39.279 not that it's not happened necessarily in the past, but 1625 01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:41.079 it's not going to be the first major private server 1626 01:24:41.199 --> 01:24:44.479 that just launches and goes you know what, Yeah, we're 1627 01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:47.399 we're winding it up. We're actually we're just because like 1628 01:24:47.479 --> 01:24:50.199 if you don't release the first raids here, you effectively 1629 01:24:50.279 --> 01:24:52.920 have to close the server, right, Like that's it. You 1630 01:24:53.279 --> 01:24:55.760 are pulling up stumps. You're saying, you know what, we 1631 01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:57.640 thought this was a good idea, but we're not actually 1632 01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:01.840 doing it now. After all, like team the Ascension team, 1633 01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:05.640 even though we don't know the behind the scenes deal, 1634 01:25:06.359 --> 01:25:10.880 the logic would be that they paid money for this content. 1635 01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:13.880 They went to Epoch and worked out a deal, and 1636 01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:18.000 some form of finances would have been traded for this 1637 01:25:18.199 --> 01:25:22.680 content to be hosted on Ascension servers. I just don't 1638 01:25:22.720 --> 01:25:25.840 get carried away with them paying an amount of money 1639 01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:29.560 for this shit, having thousands of players playing here at 1640 01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:32.720 the moment, and and so you never never ever, ever, ever, 1641 01:25:33.760 --> 01:25:36.439 let fuck with start to tell you that the server 1642 01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:41.600 is dead when there's fucking like, you know, over five 1643 01:25:41.680 --> 01:25:44.000 thousand people playing on it or whatever, like I just 1644 01:25:44.520 --> 01:25:47.279 you know that they're they're they're trying to root it on, 1645 01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:50.159 they're trying to get the snowball running down the hill 1646 01:25:50.239 --> 01:25:53.800 collecting more snow because they are agents of chaos who just, 1647 01:25:54.079 --> 01:25:58.640 for whatever reasons, celebrate dead servers. I'm not saying never 1648 01:25:58.720 --> 01:26:01.439 call a server dead. I've called servers dead in the past, 1649 01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:05.840 But it's when they're you know, pulse has actually been 1650 01:26:05.920 --> 01:26:07.840 checked and they've been cold and dead in the ground 1651 01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:10.119 for quite some time that you pronounce them dead, as 1652 01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:13.079 opposed to when they're you know, walking around the block 1653 01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:15.119 to get coffee and you're like, look at that dead guy, 1654 01:26:16.039 --> 01:26:19.079 like it's everything's fine at this point in time. And 1655 01:26:19.119 --> 01:26:22.760 to sort of suggests that this server right now, which 1656 01:26:22.840 --> 01:26:27.119 is running a pretty regulation life cycle for a private server, 1657 01:26:27.439 --> 01:26:32.119 if not better, would just not have raid content released 1658 01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:34.279 for it because they now deem it not to be 1659 01:26:34.359 --> 01:26:38.199 a feasible business model, I think is bizarre. I don't 1660 01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:40.479 get it. Like I said, is of course it's possible, 1661 01:26:40.640 --> 01:26:44.520 but anything's possible. It's a moot point to say something's possible. Well, 1662 01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:48.239 they possibly could decide not to release raid content. Of course, 1663 01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:50.880 they could also possibly decide to fucking go and sit 1664 01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:57.000 on an iron pole tomorrow. Anything's possible. We're talking about probabilities. 1665 01:26:58.760 --> 01:27:01.840 Yeah, So I fundamentally I think we're probably on the 1666 01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:05.000 same page, and I largely agree. But I guess, I 1667 01:27:05.079 --> 01:27:08.119 guess maybe I have an even lower opinion of the 1668 01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:12.159 average Wow player base than you do. And thus I 1669 01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:16.800 think it's entirely like it's like where like a bank run, right, 1670 01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:23.720 where it's all fine until it suddenly isn't And ultimately 1671 01:27:23.800 --> 01:27:26.439 perception is reality. And if a bunch of fuck wits 1672 01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:28.960 decide like, you know, we don't want to put our 1673 01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:32.239 time into the server anymore despite it being awesome, right, 1674 01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:36.239 then the devs, if the money is not there for them, 1675 01:27:36.319 --> 01:27:38.760 they will just go like, well that that investment didn't 1676 01:27:38.760 --> 01:27:41.399 pan out, you know. And I think it'll be a 1677 01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:43.800 real shame because like I'm you know, I'm leveling my 1678 01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:46.840 alt but like my sixty, I'm like, as far as 1679 01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:48.439 I'm concerned, I know I can make him better. 1680 01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:51.119 He's ready to go on AMC. You know, I've been 1681 01:27:51.159 --> 01:27:54.800 playing it more than most people, but like you know, 1682 01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:56.159 I'm happy to. 1683 01:27:56.239 --> 01:27:59.159 Just level on all and I'm like, you know, right 1684 01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:01.760 now I'm playing worse gulch on the level nineteen that 1685 01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:04.039 I've decided to stop gaining experience on. 1686 01:28:04.159 --> 01:28:06.319 But I don't think that's most wild. 1687 01:28:06.119 --> 01:28:12.359 Players, and I think it's very much within the possibility, 1688 01:28:12.399 --> 01:28:15.319 within the cards of just like, oh it was a 1689 01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:17.479 fomo thing, it was flavor of the month, and like 1690 01:28:18.520 --> 01:28:21.119 you know, the two thousand players remaining, they no longer 1691 01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:22.920 consider worth catering. 1692 01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:26.760 I just want to make a couple of points lest 1693 01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:29.600 I be accused of being toxically positive, because I want 1694 01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:31.640 to stress two things that I agree with you guys on. 1695 01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:35.720 Don't get me wrong. While I think the server is 1696 01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:42.159 perfectly healthy, I am alarmed by how much the number 1697 01:28:42.239 --> 01:28:47.119 went down. If this server had no hype and it 1698 01:28:47.239 --> 01:28:49.640 was sitting at where it's at right now, it would 1699 01:28:49.640 --> 01:28:54.479 be a perfectly what's the word I'm looking for, like 1700 01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:58.319 positive surprise to light of a server. Holy shit, there's 1701 01:28:58.319 --> 01:29:00.560 thousands of people playing on this thing. Let's go check 1702 01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:02.239 it out. Oh my god, Like it would be a great, 1703 01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:05.199 fucking great private server. And it is a great private server. 1704 01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:08.760 But it's been a victim of its own hype. Where 1705 01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:12.039 the weirdest thing is we keep coming back to those 1706 01:29:12.119 --> 01:29:15.079 sixty fifty thousand people that joined the discord that again 1707 01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:17.119 we always say half of them could have been bots. 1708 01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:20.840 But then also, you know, thirty five thousand people logged 1709 01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:23.000 on on day one, But now we've worked out that 1710 01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:25.800 half of those people were fucking just week one tourists. 1711 01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:30.399 But the number has the number has dwindled so much 1712 01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:34.840 from where that insane level of Internet hype. And this 1713 01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:37.199 is content. I mean, I'm a content creator, but like 1714 01:29:37.319 --> 01:29:40.279 the content creators just drumming this thing up so much. 1715 01:29:40.319 --> 01:29:42.600 And don't get me wrong, I think it's worthy of 1716 01:29:42.720 --> 01:29:45.439 the hype this server. If you haven't fucking guessed, I 1717 01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:49.399 am absolutely reaming the asshole of because I think it's fantastic. 1718 01:29:49.720 --> 01:29:52.239 Not without its flaws, but it's a fantastic experience. Is 1719 01:29:52.319 --> 01:29:54.319 the point that I've dedicated all my content to it 1720 01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:58.479 over the last month, but it had such like a 1721 01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:02.279 higher bar set for that. Now people like I say, 1722 01:30:02.359 --> 01:30:06.920 they're seeing what is the natural progression of regression in 1723 01:30:07.039 --> 01:30:10.159 terms of numbers on a private server, And now they're 1724 01:30:10.199 --> 01:30:13.279 all sort of going like, oh, it's d D dead 1725 01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:17.640 Dead Dead Dead dead because it's not at thirty thousand anymore. 1726 01:30:17.800 --> 01:30:20.439 Now it's a ten thousand or the number is settling, 1727 01:30:21.560 --> 01:30:23.800 and they're like, Noah, fuck this this thing's over. It's 1728 01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:26.800 it's not how it fucking works. But I mean, like 1729 01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:29.960 we say, like Turtle Wow started with like two or 1730 01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:33.039 three hundred people and grew into the leviathan that it did. 1731 01:30:34.039 --> 01:30:38.479 If Epoch starts at a settled number of you know, 1732 01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:40.880 five to ten k and goes on for some time, 1733 01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:45.520 then that's great. But again I'll also add that I 1734 01:30:45.640 --> 01:30:47.920 agree with you guys that the lack of a roadmap 1735 01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:52.960 at this point. Whilst I wouldn't say, like, how would 1736 01:30:52.960 --> 01:30:56.720 I put this if they dropped it in like two weeks, 1737 01:30:57.319 --> 01:30:59.880 fine whatever, I'm not. I'm not the guy saying like 1738 01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:06.720 drop it today or else personally, but I am fully 1739 01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:10.720 aware that I don't have the rationale of the average 1740 01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:14.000 private server player. So I think that the release of 1741 01:31:14.079 --> 01:31:17.319 the timeline is becoming more and more important if they 1742 01:31:17.479 --> 01:31:22.479 don't want to continue to bleed players, because most like 1743 01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:25.000 I would, you know, fucking the vast majority of players 1744 01:31:25.039 --> 01:31:30.119 on this server very fucking clearly need to be explicitly 1745 01:31:30.319 --> 01:31:33.640 told that the server is not being abandoned by the 1746 01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:37.319 devs and that here's your roadmap. You're getting MC on 1747 01:31:37.439 --> 01:31:40.199 this date, BWL on this date, or whatever it might be. 1748 01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:43.520 And if they don't get spoon fed that information, they'll 1749 01:31:43.600 --> 01:31:47.239 just walk away. Even if they're having fun, they don't care, 1750 01:31:47.359 --> 01:31:50.680 They'll just walk away because they have It's like this. 1751 01:31:51.039 --> 01:31:53.800 This is an incredibly facetious way to put this, guys, 1752 01:31:54.319 --> 01:31:57.239 And I am being slightly tongue in cheek when I 1753 01:31:57.319 --> 01:32:00.439 make this analogy, but feel free to shoot me down, 1754 01:32:01.960 --> 01:32:03.800 because I find I've kind of got a foot in 1755 01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:06.199 both pools here of being for you and against you, 1756 01:32:06.439 --> 01:32:09.840 where it's kind of like being told sorry. It's kind 1757 01:32:09.880 --> 01:32:13.880 of like the situation where if I'm not explicitly told 1758 01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:19.039 with assurances that the sun will come up tomorrow, well 1759 01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:21.600 I'm I'm not interested in anything because I don't know 1760 01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:23.760 that there's going to be a day after today. What 1761 01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:25.800 do you mean you can't assure me next week will 1762 01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:27.720 be a thing. Well, I'm not going to do anything now. 1763 01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:30.960 If i I'm out, I'm done. If next if tomorrow 1764 01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:32.319 is not going to be a thing, if next week 1765 01:32:32.399 --> 01:32:34.640 is not going to be a reality. I'm done. Like 1766 01:32:34.760 --> 01:32:37.880 I just, I just have faith that the sun will 1767 01:32:37.960 --> 01:32:40.279 come up tomorrow and that I will be around next 1768 01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:42.439 week doing whatever the next chapter in my life is. 1769 01:32:43.159 --> 01:32:45.640 And I kind of somewhat apply that to private servers 1770 01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:47.239 in now. Don't get me wrong before you get too 1771 01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:49.960 angry in a way in that I'm having fun. 1772 01:32:50.039 --> 01:32:50.199 Now. 1773 01:32:50.520 --> 01:32:52.600 I'm just going to keep doing the dungeons and the content, 1774 01:32:52.920 --> 01:32:54.479 and I have all the faith in the world that 1775 01:32:54.560 --> 01:32:56.520 this isn't going to be the one private server that 1776 01:32:56.600 --> 01:32:59.439 has thousands of players that goes you know what, Yeah, 1777 01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:02.279 decided just to pull the pin we're gonna take, take this, 1778 01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:04.760 pull the plug on this server and just never release 1779 01:33:04.840 --> 01:33:07.760 a raid, be super weird and just do that. Like 1780 01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:09.960 I just, I just don't think that's gonna happen. So 1781 01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:12.279 I continue to plod along with the faith that this 1782 01:33:12.399 --> 01:33:14.239 will be business as usual as far as we our 1783 01:33:14.319 --> 01:33:17.640 servers go. But like I'm saying, I don't want to 1784 01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:21.119 take away from the point that most players aren't like me, 1785 01:33:21.800 --> 01:33:24.760 and they should probably just release the fucking information to 1786 01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:29.159 make all the fucking far twitchier people out there have 1787 01:33:29.319 --> 01:33:31.560 their hearts put at rest. Does that make sense as 1788 01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:32.279 a rant. 1789 01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:37.079 Yeah, I mean that's that's about where I am as well. 1790 01:33:37.720 --> 01:33:40.039 But like I said, I think I have an even 1791 01:33:40.119 --> 01:33:43.079 lower opinion of the average wild player than you, and thus, 1792 01:33:44.239 --> 01:33:46.560 you know, I am more concerned for the lack of 1793 01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:51.920 uh you know, Timeline, not because I'm personally concerned. I 1794 01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:54.359 can play this with just us forty people and have 1795 01:33:54.479 --> 01:33:56.840 a lot of fun because the server is fucking amazing 1796 01:33:57.039 --> 01:33:58.560 and it's it's the exact kind. 1797 01:33:58.479 --> 01:33:59.479 Of classic plus I want. 1798 01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:03.159 But you know, they're a business and they're trying to 1799 01:34:03.199 --> 01:34:06.720 make money. And if they they if they lose their 1800 01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:10.359 lightning in a bottle and they and they managed to 1801 01:34:10.520 --> 01:34:13.680 capture it with their alternative products, I don't think it's 1802 01:34:13.760 --> 01:34:16.399 unreasonable to expect that they would just divert their resources 1803 01:34:16.439 --> 01:34:17.520 to where they're making their money. 1804 01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:21.079 Yeah, don't they know that people come back. It's some 1805 01:34:21.279 --> 01:34:24.520 people like that aren't playing are going to delete their accounts. 1806 01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:26.960 They're just not playing. So if a rig gets announced, 1807 01:34:26.960 --> 01:34:28.239 they're they're gonna log back up. 1808 01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:31.640 And I'm fully aware Lass and I don't necessarily begrudge 1809 01:34:31.680 --> 01:34:34.039 players that have done this. I'm fully aware that there 1810 01:34:34.119 --> 01:34:37.960 probably are a decent amount of people that have either 1811 01:34:38.000 --> 01:34:40.720 gotten to sixty or gotten relatively high in their leveling 1812 01:34:40.840 --> 01:34:45.239 journey and have gone. You know what, just for security sake, 1813 01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:49.239 I will tap out until the roadmap is released. I've 1814 01:34:49.359 --> 01:34:50.720 no doubt those players exist. 1815 01:34:54.439 --> 01:34:56.439 And haven't they already assured us that the raid's coming? Like, 1816 01:34:56.840 --> 01:34:57.720 do we want them to say that. 1817 01:34:57.880 --> 01:35:01.119 We've been told, We've been told the rate content is done, 1818 01:35:01.359 --> 01:35:03.760 it is ready for release. The T one T two 1819 01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:08.239 content is done and it exists. It has been made. 1820 01:35:09.199 --> 01:35:11.359 Whether it's been tested or not, is it well, they 1821 01:35:11.399 --> 01:35:13.039 had a beta, but whether it's been tested or not 1822 01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:15.239 is a different question. But it's not something that they 1823 01:35:15.319 --> 01:35:17.520 have to make. It's just a matter of releasing it. 1824 01:35:20.319 --> 01:35:22.319 So I think it's gonna come out. But they've got 1825 01:35:22.319 --> 01:35:25.119 a lot they still have work to do with, you know, 1826 01:35:25.359 --> 01:35:27.800 the level of content still has bugs need to work out. Yeah, 1827 01:35:27.840 --> 01:35:29.520 and they don't have a team. They don't have a 1828 01:35:29.560 --> 01:35:31.720 team dedicated to it because they've got their other Serve 1829 01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:34.880 Bronze per coming out, so they need to our people 1830 01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:36.840 to do it's it's going to take time. I think 1831 01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:38.680 it's smart. Not that rough. 1832 01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:41.840 Worried me the most was the change log not being 1833 01:35:41.960 --> 01:35:43.319 updated for like nine days. 1834 01:35:46.640 --> 01:35:49.319 For me, it's the amount of hype they seem to 1835 01:35:49.359 --> 01:35:52.479 be trying to pour into Bronze Beard, which you know, 1836 01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:56.039 to me it might be awesome. I really shouldn't be 1837 01:35:56.079 --> 01:35:58.279 knocking it as hard as I internally am, but it 1838 01:35:58.439 --> 01:36:01.199 just feels like it's an inferior and like kind of 1839 01:36:01.279 --> 01:36:03.560 a waste of resources on their part to pour as 1840 01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:04.680 much into it as they are. 1841 01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:06.800 But I guess they were already planning. 1842 01:36:06.520 --> 01:36:10.359 On doing so, so I just al, it's sorry to kick. 1843 01:36:10.359 --> 01:36:13.880 I mean, well, it's more that I would have thought 1844 01:36:14.119 --> 01:36:17.800 acquiring Epoch would have changed their outlook in regards to 1845 01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:20.840 Bronze Beard, because Bronze Beard to me, just seemed like 1846 01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:22.279 it would be the inferior product. 1847 01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:24.840 And you know where we are now. 1848 01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:26.760 That's maybe where I was thinking a few weeks ago. 1849 01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:28.479 It doesn't really seem like that's the case. 1850 01:36:29.720 --> 01:36:29.840 Al. 1851 01:36:29.920 --> 01:36:31.399 I want to throw to you in a second, because 1852 01:36:31.399 --> 01:36:32.479 I think you were going to say something. I do 1853 01:36:32.600 --> 01:36:34.119 know what you mean. I'm with you. I just want 1854 01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:35.960 to point out one really quick thing. I just want 1855 01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:38.399 to say, like the really bad player. Sorry I mentioned 1856 01:36:38.479 --> 01:36:40.039 something that you said earlier, but I also just want 1857 01:36:40.039 --> 01:36:42.079 to say, like I am reading what you're saying mate, 1858 01:36:42.079 --> 01:36:44.880 but it's hard to don't take these too personally, even 1859 01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:47.840 though it is quite personal, it's hard to take a 1860 01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:50.720 lot of the commentary in when like you are using 1861 01:36:50.880 --> 01:36:54.279 terms like pump and dump and rug pool and I 1862 01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:57.479 was promised I was promised ten to fifteen k players 1863 01:36:57.520 --> 01:37:00.239 on this server. Like saying shit like that is such 1864 01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:02.600 a fucking red flag to me? Is the kind of 1865 01:37:02.680 --> 01:37:05.840 player you are, Like, I'm not sure what you do 1866 01:37:06.079 --> 01:37:07.800 want or what you wanted out of this server, Like 1867 01:37:07.840 --> 01:37:11.239 I just just like, are you having fun with the content, 1868 01:37:11.319 --> 01:37:13.439 then fucking play the game, Like, don't worry about the 1869 01:37:13.439 --> 01:37:16.239 stuff you can't control. Just you know, like you say, 1870 01:37:16.359 --> 01:37:18.920 you decide whether or not you want to stop playing 1871 01:37:19.039 --> 01:37:21.720 and let everyone else have fun, or you know you 1872 01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:25.279 want to do you want that moment of you know, 1873 01:37:25.640 --> 01:37:28.279 the I told you so, the ha ha ha. This 1874 01:37:28.399 --> 01:37:30.239 server did turn out to be shit and I stopped 1875 01:37:30.239 --> 01:37:33.159 playing at the right time I showed you, nerds, Or 1876 01:37:33.279 --> 01:37:35.399 do you want to play while it's fun, enjoy the 1877 01:37:35.479 --> 01:37:37.199 fun that you had while you had it, and then 1878 01:37:37.319 --> 01:37:39.279 move on if it does go the way that you 1879 01:37:39.359 --> 01:37:43.039 seem to think it's going, Like I just I hear 1880 01:37:43.079 --> 01:37:45.439 people say things like rugpool. I'm just like, oh, for 1881 01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:48.079 fuck's sake, like, just get a grip. Anyway, Al you 1882 01:37:48.159 --> 01:37:53.720 were saying, were you gonna make a point. 1883 01:37:53.640 --> 01:37:56.800 I don't, No, I don't don't think so. My wife 1884 01:37:56.920 --> 01:37:57.239 came in. 1885 01:37:57.399 --> 01:37:57.479 So. 1886 01:37:59.279 --> 01:38:02.159 All good, good. Just while we're on this point, I 1887 01:38:02.319 --> 01:38:05.159 just want to say, it made me think of another 1888 01:38:05.239 --> 01:38:10.960 thing that happened this week and everything that we just 1889 01:38:11.039 --> 01:38:13.640 said or that I just said about Epoch and my 1890 01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:16.000 attitudes towards it. And I'm not trying to go like 1891 01:38:16.159 --> 01:38:18.960 full holier than now. And you know, I am the 1892 01:38:19.079 --> 01:38:22.720 fucking calm waters that is rattled by nothing. I am zen. 1893 01:38:23.199 --> 01:38:25.680 Everyone just be a WOW player like me that can 1894 01:38:25.800 --> 01:38:28.039 just fucking go with the flow. I'm not trying to 1895 01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:30.000 do that, but I just want to highlight that it 1896 01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:31.840 reminds me a lot of something that happened a few 1897 01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:37.199 days ago, where, look, this podcast would have sounded very 1898 01:38:37.479 --> 01:38:41.399 different this particular episode if I had done like the 1899 01:38:41.560 --> 01:38:45.399 emergency recording that some people were calling for. When the 1900 01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:51.079 news dropped that supposedly Blizzard announced well they not supposedly 1901 01:38:51.199 --> 01:38:53.159 they did announce this, but you'll know where I'm going 1902 01:38:53.199 --> 01:38:57.000 with this. Blizzard announced that the Classic Team's focus moving 1903 01:38:57.119 --> 01:38:59.359 forward for the next twelve months would be on what 1904 01:38:59.479 --> 01:39:02.319 was happening the Chinese server with these you know, sort 1905 01:39:02.319 --> 01:39:04.680 of Titan Forge or whatever realms that are quite different 1906 01:39:04.720 --> 01:39:07.920 from anything we get in the West. And Ian Hazacostus 1907 01:39:07.960 --> 01:39:10.680 came out in an interview and very much so worded 1908 01:39:10.760 --> 01:39:14.560 it specifically to say that the Classic team's only focus 1909 01:39:14.680 --> 01:39:19.840 and priority now would be China and the Wow Classic 1910 01:39:19.920 --> 01:39:23.479 subreddit and the countdown to Classic Discord, and everyone fucking 1911 01:39:23.720 --> 01:39:28.399 lost their minds blew up. Oh my god, wrap it up, boys. No, 1912 01:39:28.640 --> 01:39:31.600 like literally all the fuck with YouTubers that I fucking 1913 01:39:31.720 --> 01:39:36.439 can't stand release their fucking thumbnails with Classic Plus is canceled. 1914 01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:39.520 It's all done, boys, We've been hyping up something that's 1915 01:39:39.600 --> 01:39:42.079 not even being made. Blizz did it to us again 1916 01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:46.359 game over man, and like a couple of you were 1917 01:39:46.359 --> 01:39:51.840 waiting on my response. And I even when I read 1918 01:39:51.920 --> 01:39:55.399 the news like I've never I'm not trying to like 1919 01:39:55.560 --> 01:39:59.079 make myself sound fucking cool or anything, but like I've 1920 01:39:59.159 --> 01:40:03.159 never snored or ho hummed through news war in my life. 1921 01:40:03.720 --> 01:40:07.119 I literally read it and when like, uh, I don't, 1922 01:40:07.199 --> 01:40:10.760 I don't care whatever, Like they're still working on Classic 1923 01:40:10.800 --> 01:40:14.000 plus like this doesn't change anything for me. Like if 1924 01:40:14.039 --> 01:40:17.439 you genuinely think they're not releasing something or announcing something 1925 01:40:17.479 --> 01:40:20.439 at Polizicon next year, I don't know what to fucking 1926 01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:24.319 tell you, Like stop being such a fucking weird stop 1927 01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:27.000 being such a fucking weird gamer, stop getting carried away. 1928 01:40:27.039 --> 01:40:29.680 And everyone would be like, well, Josh, you idiot, they 1929 01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:33.079 literally told us, And like that's where I get, like, 1930 01:40:33.199 --> 01:40:36.960 stop being so black and white, like fucking think outside 1931 01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:42.560 the box, use your fucking heads and just think. And 1932 01:40:42.680 --> 01:40:44.600 everyone's like, nah, it's it's canceled. 1933 01:40:44.600 --> 01:40:44.840 They're not. 1934 01:40:44.920 --> 01:40:48.680 Oh my god, it's over. And I could have recorded 1935 01:40:48.880 --> 01:40:51.239 an emergency podcast that day and it would have been 1936 01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:53.479 fucking everyone on this call. 1937 01:40:53.840 --> 01:40:53.960 You know. 1938 01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:55.359 I don't want to throw anyone under the bus, but 1939 01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:58.560 like generically a lot of people going, oh my god, 1940 01:40:59.239 --> 01:41:01.680 fuck you, Blase. He said, how you're gonna leave us 1941 01:41:01.800 --> 01:41:03.920 years in the lurch. I never should have trusted you 1942 01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:07.319 in the first place. Your fucking company shit, your shit. 1943 01:41:07.640 --> 01:41:10.840 Imagine not making anything for us and focusing on China. Oh, 1944 01:41:10.960 --> 01:41:12.840 I get it. There's so much more money in China. 1945 01:41:12.960 --> 01:41:13.720 Oh woe is me? 1946 01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:16.880 And I'm so glad I didn't do that because now 1947 01:41:17.000 --> 01:41:19.399 I get to give this rant on this podcast because 1948 01:41:19.399 --> 01:41:22.439 they've since come out and clarified via a Blue Post. 1949 01:41:23.199 --> 01:41:27.600 Hey guys, fuck ow bad. We forgot and this is 1950 01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:32.159 dumb on Blizzard's behalf. We forgot that our fucking uses, 1951 01:41:32.399 --> 01:41:35.880 our maniacs and fucking knobs who run off with like 1952 01:41:36.079 --> 01:41:39.319 the wildest you know, takes on any morsel of news 1953 01:41:39.399 --> 01:41:43.960 that they get. But like Newslash guys, no, this doesn't 1954 01:41:43.960 --> 01:41:47.359 affect our Western plans. The Classic team is still working 1955 01:41:47.479 --> 01:41:50.520 on whatever it is they're working on. Settle the fuck down. 1956 01:41:50.760 --> 01:41:53.560 And that's a massive paraphrasing of the Blue Post, but 1957 01:41:53.720 --> 01:41:55.479 that was the gist and the tone of it is 1958 01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:59.880 stop being fucking idiots. I'm so glad they said that, 1959 01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:02.520 because that's exactly what I was going to say had 1960 01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:04.800 the Blue Post not come out of like this is 1961 01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:10.399 just ridiculous, just fucking we talk here about you know, 1962 01:42:10.439 --> 01:42:14.640 if we're going to sit here and project that, the 1963 01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:19.199 Epoch team might now not see the financial viability for 1964 01:42:19.319 --> 01:42:23.479 moving forward with Project Epoch. Sorry, the Ascension team might go, 1965 01:42:23.640 --> 01:42:26.079 you know what, we're just not making enough money through 1966 01:42:26.159 --> 01:42:28.800 the shop and this player base is dwindling in numbers, 1967 01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:31.520 we're just going to never release a raid for this thing, 1968 01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:33.439 and you know, we just think it's feasible now to 1969 01:42:33.840 --> 01:42:36.319 not go down this route financially if we're going to 1970 01:42:36.359 --> 01:42:41.600 say that, but then also not presumed the Blizzard would 1971 01:42:41.640 --> 01:42:44.199 be like, Hey, we make a lot of money out 1972 01:42:44.239 --> 01:42:47.039 of our Classic in the West. Do you think that 1973 01:42:47.439 --> 01:42:49.399 a Classic plus would make us a lot of money? 1974 01:42:49.479 --> 01:42:49.680 Yeah? 1975 01:42:49.720 --> 01:42:52.199 Probably, we should probably work on something like that, but 1976 01:42:52.319 --> 01:42:53.920 then be like, nah, you know what, We're not going 1977 01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:55.800 to do that. Fuck that we don't like money, which 1978 01:42:55.880 --> 01:43:00.279 is totally the Blizzard line. They hate money. I just 1979 01:43:00.319 --> 01:43:02.479 don't get it. And so like, I'm just I'm just 1980 01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:04.720 glad that they wrote that blue post so I can 1981 01:43:04.800 --> 01:43:07.039 sit here like a smug fuck with and go like, 1982 01:43:07.199 --> 01:43:12.199 I'm so fucking sick of the the angry gamer. Like 1983 01:43:12.439 --> 01:43:15.359 my my number one most hated person in the world 1984 01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:20.479 is the angry, hyperbolic gamer and just doesn't use their 1985 01:43:20.560 --> 01:43:23.479 fucking head to think and only lives in black and white. 1986 01:43:23.960 --> 01:43:26.479 I just there. Sorry, Sorry if this is harsh, guys, 1987 01:43:26.560 --> 01:43:27.920 but I'm not having a go at like any of 1988 01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:31.880 you specifically, but just more wow, gamers in general, I've 1989 01:43:31.960 --> 01:43:35.079 never felt less like I've never felt like I have 1990 01:43:35.399 --> 01:43:37.319 less in common with the Wow player base than I 1991 01:43:37.439 --> 01:43:39.039 do at the moment, Like, I'm just learning more and 1992 01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:41.560 more about how different I am from the average wolplayer 1993 01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:45.000 and it drives me up the wall. But anyway, how 1994 01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:47.119 did you guys react to the news and what do 1995 01:43:47.279 --> 01:43:48.800 you make of their clarification? 1996 01:43:50.800 --> 01:43:51.920 I could care less. 1997 01:43:53.439 --> 01:43:55.399 Exactly, I mean, but that is that now that you've 1998 01:43:55.399 --> 01:43:57.239 got all the informat like did you did you? Did 1999 01:43:57.279 --> 01:43:59.359 you react harshly at the time, or you just not 2000 01:43:59.439 --> 01:44:00.640 cared less the whole thing. 2001 01:44:01.840 --> 01:44:03.800 I didn't even know there was a clarification post. That's 2002 01:44:03.800 --> 01:44:05.680 how much I didn't care. I didn't even follow up to. 2003 01:44:07.239 --> 01:44:07.640 That stuff. 2004 01:44:08.760 --> 01:44:13.920 But yeah, they're releasing Titan Forge in a China. Obviously 2005 01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:16.119 that's their focus right now. They can do two things 2006 01:44:16.159 --> 01:44:18.239 at once. They can be working on the back end 2007 01:44:18.800 --> 01:44:21.600 for Classic Plus and then coming out with the new 2008 01:44:21.680 --> 01:44:24.560 Titan Forge, which is their big push. And if anything, 2009 01:44:25.359 --> 01:44:27.640 they kind of want there to be a lull, you know, 2010 01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:30.239 what builds up hype and demand then to you know, 2011 01:44:30.479 --> 01:44:33.560 have the void of and we just finished SODS, So 2012 01:44:33.920 --> 01:44:36.920 they kind of want most average people to be like, Okay, 2013 01:44:37.920 --> 01:44:39.680 I'm starting to get the hungry. I'm starting to get hungry, 2014 01:44:39.680 --> 01:44:41.159 and they want that to Bill. 2015 01:44:41.560 --> 01:44:47.000 WHOA hold the fucking farm here, Festiage. Are you trying 2016 01:44:47.079 --> 01:44:51.000 to tell me what sounds like you and possibly what 2017 01:44:51.159 --> 01:44:53.720 Lazarus is about to say? Are you gonna tell me 2018 01:44:53.800 --> 01:44:55.479 you're capable of critical thinking? 2019 01:44:57.279 --> 01:44:57.520 I know. 2020 01:44:57.680 --> 01:45:01.560 I sometimes rub two brain cells together and I happens. 2021 01:45:01.840 --> 01:45:05.479 So so when Blizzard comes out and says we're going 2022 01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:07.640 to be working a lot. Our priority for in the 2023 01:45:07.760 --> 01:45:09.640 near future over the next twelve months is going to 2024 01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:13.119 be this Chinese game. You, for whatever reason, didn't you 2025 01:45:13.319 --> 01:45:15.880 presume that they could also still be working on Classic 2026 01:45:15.920 --> 01:45:16.720 Plus for the West. 2027 01:45:18.279 --> 01:45:21.279 I assume they could chew bubblegum and kick ass. 2028 01:45:21.439 --> 01:45:24.039 You're You're insane, Lazarus, You're crazy. 2029 01:45:25.239 --> 01:45:25.399 I know. 2030 01:45:25.560 --> 01:45:29.079 Actually, I think Vester has been kidnapped because earlier, earlier 2031 01:45:29.119 --> 01:45:31.560 this week, he told me when he thinks sixty gratz buddy, 2032 01:45:31.600 --> 01:45:34.279 By the way, this is the most fun he's ever had. 2033 01:45:34.600 --> 01:45:36.800 Oh no, he's not allowed to say it. 2034 01:45:38.760 --> 01:45:42.680 I can have opinions very much, but you can't criticize 2035 01:45:42.960 --> 01:45:44.279 what's wrong. To start and say you still have the 2036 01:45:44.319 --> 01:45:45.079 best time in your life. 2037 01:45:45.399 --> 01:45:47.479 You have to you have to pick it's been the 2038 01:45:47.720 --> 01:45:50.960 I said that sixty experience, and I stand by that. 2039 01:45:51.119 --> 01:45:52.680 I say this with all the I say this with 2040 01:45:52.760 --> 01:45:54.520 all the love and affection in the world. But Vestige 2041 01:45:54.720 --> 01:45:59.720 is two face. He flipped. He flips the coin every time. 2042 01:46:01.439 --> 01:46:04.039 I am a complex person with complex opinions. 2043 01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:07.359 Laz tell me what was your reaction to this news 2044 01:46:07.479 --> 01:46:09.840 than now, I. 2045 01:46:09.840 --> 01:46:12.800 Couldn't care less. I'm having the time of life. I 2046 01:46:12.920 --> 01:46:17.039 love I love the server and Blizzards definitely, they've already 2047 01:46:17.039 --> 01:46:20.079 confirmed they're coming out with the Classic Plus. They're not 2048 01:46:20.239 --> 01:46:22.560 like it's just just so much money to be there's 2049 01:46:22.600 --> 01:46:24.439 just too much money to be made there. They're already 2050 01:46:24.479 --> 01:46:27.439 talked about They've they've done money into their legal team 2051 01:46:27.520 --> 01:46:29.760 to send the letters out and to you know, at 2052 01:46:29.800 --> 01:46:33.000 least with Turtle, even more aggressively with actually file a lawsuit. 2053 01:46:33.560 --> 01:46:38.399 Like it's coming. Now. Whether I like the project or not, 2054 01:46:38.439 --> 01:46:40.840 it is a different story. But it's definitely coming, and 2055 01:46:40.880 --> 01:46:43.119 they're gonna put resource and they're definitely gonna put resource 2056 01:46:43.159 --> 01:46:43.439 into it. 2057 01:46:43.600 --> 01:46:47.880 I don't I don't think that the propensity of evidence 2058 01:46:48.199 --> 01:46:53.039 towards this being a thing, and people still like my 2059 01:46:53.399 --> 01:46:56.880 big thing was like Blizzard has not announced Classic Plus 2060 01:46:56.960 --> 01:46:59.319 they haven't said a fucking word about it outside of 2061 01:46:59.359 --> 01:47:05.520 where working on something, and like people just presume that 2062 01:47:06.600 --> 01:47:10.199 they're going to like out themselves like this news means, 2063 01:47:10.399 --> 01:47:14.119 oh that the project that they've never talked about publicly 2064 01:47:14.279 --> 01:47:15.720 is now all of a sudden. It's all of a 2065 01:47:15.760 --> 01:47:20.039 sudden shelved or canceled like it just it fucking makes 2066 01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:22.840 no sense. And I just I'm gonna get too angry. 2067 01:47:22.880 --> 01:47:24.039 I have to throw it to someone else before I 2068 01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:27.680 lose my mind. Anyone else please jump in it. Look, 2069 01:47:27.840 --> 01:47:30.800 I'm not gonna get on your case. If you were 2070 01:47:30.920 --> 01:47:33.479 one of those people that were ready to fucking throw 2071 01:47:33.520 --> 01:47:35.439 it all the way because you were convinced Classic Plus 2072 01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:38.039 was no longer a thing, please speak now or forever 2073 01:47:38.079 --> 01:47:39.600 hold your silence. I know I've just said you're a 2074 01:47:39.640 --> 01:47:43.000 fucking blah blah blah if you thought that, But we'll 2075 01:47:43.039 --> 01:47:46.319 have a genuine conversation about it. Did anyone think that? 2076 01:47:46.479 --> 01:47:46.640 Here? 2077 01:47:50.039 --> 01:47:52.600 No one, no one's game. That's that's all right. I 2078 01:47:52.720 --> 01:47:56.560 don't blame you. Yeah, I know, okay, exactly. 2079 01:47:56.680 --> 01:47:58.960 I'm just learning about this Titan for its shit right 2080 01:47:59.039 --> 01:47:59.800 now on this car. 2081 01:48:00.760 --> 01:48:04.840 Oh well, there you go. So it sounds like the 2082 01:48:04.920 --> 01:48:08.239 majority of you either didn't even know or didn't even care, 2083 01:48:08.359 --> 01:48:10.199 which is the exact same boat that I was in. 2084 01:48:10.359 --> 01:48:13.600 So yeah, I just sorry, mate, I. 2085 01:48:13.920 --> 01:48:18.359 Don't think I mean, nobody fucking cared to be honest, 2086 01:48:18.479 --> 01:48:23.800 we know that Blizzard is is catering something to the Chinese. 2087 01:48:24.319 --> 01:48:28.399 Of course they're they're they're a huge fucking market. They're 2088 01:48:28.439 --> 01:48:32.640 gonna make make tons of money of it. So why 2089 01:48:32.720 --> 01:48:36.239 wouldn't they come with Ian and and make and make 2090 01:48:36.319 --> 01:48:40.760 a big as announcement that they were like the most 2091 01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:45.680 important people in the world, that the the the Western 2092 01:48:45.720 --> 01:48:50.880 people are losing the ship over it is, Well, that's unbelievable. 2093 01:48:51.079 --> 01:48:53.880 Yeah, if the Chinese market has become the most important market, then. 2094 01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:54.239 So be it. 2095 01:48:54.399 --> 01:48:57.239 Like they have a fiduciary duty to make fucking money 2096 01:48:57.279 --> 01:48:58.920 and make the most they can. Like, if they're now 2097 01:48:58.960 --> 01:49:01.560 going to go nuts on China, sure go nuts, But 2098 01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:04.239 that doesn't mean they've then gone like, we don't make 2099 01:49:04.319 --> 01:49:09.640 games for the West anymore. Anyway. Uh, what was I 2100 01:49:09.720 --> 01:49:12.279 gonna say? I just las, do you think it's fair 2101 01:49:12.319 --> 01:49:19.479 to say where I'm like the kind of person that says, seriously, 2102 01:49:20.119 --> 01:49:22.880 well Classic Plus is clearly being canceled, you know, they've 2103 01:49:22.920 --> 01:49:24.520 told us. I don't think that anything is going to 2104 01:49:24.760 --> 01:49:27.720 happen anymore. That's the same kind of person that can't 2105 01:49:27.760 --> 01:49:29.479 stand in the ring on general track. 2106 01:49:31.039 --> 01:49:32.880 Yeah, I mean I saw I'm not gonna end the persons. 2107 01:49:32.880 --> 01:49:35.319 I don't want to promote them or drive traffic to them. 2108 01:49:35.319 --> 01:49:39.039 But I saw clickbait when that news came out on YouTube, 2109 01:49:39.199 --> 01:49:43.920 like oh Classic Classic canceled, and I have nothing but 2110 01:49:44.760 --> 01:49:49.960 loathing and disrespect and just I can't stand that. It 2111 01:49:50.079 --> 01:49:55.640 really bothers me. Yeah, but anyway, yeah, just it's definitely coming. 2112 01:49:55.680 --> 01:49:58.199 And you know companies. You know a lot of times 2113 01:49:58.199 --> 01:49:59.960 in business people say, you know you're by number one client, 2114 01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:01.960 you're a numb one client. They tell everybody that they're 2115 01:50:02.000 --> 01:50:05.000 their first, like you know the client you're talking to, 2116 01:50:05.039 --> 01:50:08.479 they're always your number one priority. Uh I was, you 2117 01:50:08.560 --> 01:50:10.760 can't have one hundred different number one priorities, but you 2118 01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:13.039 don't tell them that like everybody's. You tell everybody they're 2119 01:50:13.239 --> 01:50:14.119 the most important to you. 2120 01:50:14.600 --> 01:50:18.600 Yeah, I'm the same, I've got mate. Look, I respect 2121 01:50:18.880 --> 01:50:22.239 going for the bag on YouTube to a certain extent, 2122 01:50:22.439 --> 01:50:24.039 like if you want to, if you want to make 2123 01:50:24.079 --> 01:50:26.560 a clickbait title, because it drives traffic, and it's your 2124 01:50:26.600 --> 01:50:28.279 only job and you need to make money, then so 2125 01:50:28.439 --> 01:50:30.800 be it. But there's a difference between clickbait and just 2126 01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:34.199 straight up like deception and poor and bad faith. And 2127 01:50:34.600 --> 01:50:36.720 I think that I've got a massive bind to pick 2128 01:50:36.800 --> 01:50:39.279 with most of the Wow classic YouTubers who got on this, 2129 01:50:40.640 --> 01:50:43.560 because not only are you just doing it for the bag, 2130 01:50:44.079 --> 01:50:48.199 you're also you're just you're fanning the flames of stupidity, 2131 01:50:48.720 --> 01:50:52.039 and you're you're you're part of the fucking problem. You're 2132 01:50:52.119 --> 01:50:55.359 you're you're why this fucking player base sucks is because 2133 01:50:55.399 --> 01:50:57.920 a fuck, it's like you egging all the dickheads on. 2134 01:50:59.399 --> 01:51:04.279 But anyway, on that fucking positive note, boys, shall we 2135 01:51:04.399 --> 01:51:07.840 turn this ship around and get to proper Kangaroo Court territory? 2136 01:51:07.920 --> 01:51:08.520 What do you reckon? 2137 01:51:09.600 --> 01:51:09.760 Hell? 2138 01:51:09.960 --> 01:51:14.640 Yah, let's fucking do it. Let's do it. Look, it's 2139 01:51:14.680 --> 01:51:17.079 been a really good week for Kangaroo Court. There's been 2140 01:51:17.159 --> 01:51:22.920 some fantastic submissions. I will just double check now and 2141 01:51:23.039 --> 01:51:26.159 see if anyone who made Did anyone make a submission? 2142 01:51:26.159 --> 01:51:27.720 Who's here live on the call? 2143 01:51:29.840 --> 01:51:30.039 Yes? 2144 01:51:30.720 --> 01:51:33.880 Yeah, al can you? I can see your submission? Now? 2145 01:51:33.960 --> 01:51:37.840 Do you want to tell your story with as much drama? 2146 01:51:38.279 --> 01:51:39.960 And effect as you can. 2147 01:51:41.399 --> 01:51:50.399 Hold shit. Okay, Well, we were going for arena in 2148 01:51:50.880 --> 01:51:55.760 the in sunkthan well the new thing. I was like 2149 01:51:56.319 --> 01:52:04.159 level forty forty one something that doesn't matter, and we 2150 01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:07.199 had a group for it, and we were waiting at 2151 01:52:07.279 --> 01:52:09.720 the at the arena and there was a group before us, 2152 01:52:11.359 --> 01:52:15.359 and we just patiently waited and they were killing posts 2153 01:52:15.399 --> 01:52:18.199 of the boss of the boss until they came to 2154 01:52:18.279 --> 01:52:23.159 the last boss and I wiped on it. Okay, no 2155 01:52:23.279 --> 01:52:28.840 big deal. They go again, and they wipe again, like 2156 01:52:28.960 --> 01:52:33.760 they didn't stand a chance. Like it. It got to 2157 01:52:33.960 --> 01:52:43.000 like seventy percent. And then the one I do think 2158 01:52:43.039 --> 01:52:46.319 it was the tank that called out for help and 2159 01:52:46.720 --> 01:52:50.439 we were like the only group around, so we just 2160 01:52:53.359 --> 01:52:58.079 we said sure, why not, and they started and and 2161 01:52:58.560 --> 01:53:02.439 I did like a lash yell like let's kill this 2162 01:53:02.560 --> 01:53:06.760 fucker or or something like the other the war and 2163 01:53:08.039 --> 01:53:10.560 the war cry. Like I was like I was pumped. 2164 01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:15.479 And anyways, I started blasting yep, grab his deacon, twist 2165 01:53:15.520 --> 01:53:15.920 it do it. 2166 01:53:17.239 --> 01:53:23.079 Yeah, And I pulled that grow, which well, okay, fine, 2167 01:53:23.840 --> 01:53:26.880 And I was thinking when I pulled a girl whole ship, 2168 01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:31.279 I'm gonna die whatever, I'll just pump as much as 2169 01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:34.640 I can, and and so I did, but I didn't 2170 01:53:34.720 --> 01:53:39.920 know that I was standing too far away from like 2171 01:53:40.039 --> 01:53:41.079 the middle of the arena. 2172 01:53:41.760 --> 01:53:44.439 I was like in the ramp in the yeah, just 2173 01:53:44.600 --> 01:53:46.239 outside of the bounds of the arena. 2174 01:53:47.279 --> 01:53:47.479 Yeah. 2175 01:53:48.359 --> 01:53:51.359 And so when he came to me and was about 2176 01:53:51.399 --> 01:53:56.000 to smack me in the hat, he disappeared and they 2177 01:53:56.319 --> 01:54:01.239 and so it like they failed it. And I was like, 2178 01:54:01.520 --> 01:54:06.319 oh all right, and they went fucking pershirk. They just 2179 01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:11.680 they lost the ship. They were like they were they 2180 01:54:11.680 --> 01:54:15.039 were shouting things at me and and I got whispers 2181 01:54:15.119 --> 01:54:20.520 from the shaman, like a lot of cruel stuff, and 2182 01:54:20.840 --> 01:54:23.439 I was like, oh shit, they're not kidding. And I 2183 01:54:23.560 --> 01:54:29.239 went mad. I went fucking mad. So I responded to 2184 01:54:29.439 --> 01:54:36.159 the shaman and not so well, not so kind words 2185 01:54:37.479 --> 01:54:42.239 I tried to people usually, but I absolutely lost my ship. 2186 01:54:42.359 --> 01:54:46.199 Oh no, I'm a big proponent if they started responding kind. 2187 01:54:46.680 --> 01:54:49.159 I get very toxic with people who are toxic to me. 2188 01:54:49.279 --> 01:54:51.680 I mean, you know, I don't fucking respond in slurs 2189 01:54:51.760 --> 01:54:53.800 or anything, but like if someone's a cunt to me 2190 01:54:54.000 --> 01:54:57.279 or guilty my god, I go after them. I'm you 2191 01:54:57.359 --> 01:55:00.479 guys are learning I'm a very aggressive I A'm a 2192 01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:03.720 weirdly aggressive WOW player towards people, but only when I 2193 01:55:03.800 --> 01:55:05.239 find out that they're being a cant. 2194 01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:14.079 Yeah. I wasn't racial. I did not go on on 2195 01:55:15.159 --> 01:55:18.000 some gray line that you're not supposed to pass. 2196 01:55:18.880 --> 01:55:19.479 But I was. 2197 01:55:21.960 --> 01:55:26.079 I was mean, but like ten percent of what was 2198 01:55:27.159 --> 01:55:28.079 what I was called. 2199 01:55:28.319 --> 01:55:34.039 So so they did they eventually down it or not? 2200 01:55:36.039 --> 01:55:37.399 Did they eventually down. 2201 01:55:37.279 --> 01:55:37.640 It or not? 2202 01:55:39.199 --> 01:55:41.560 Yeah? With a help from A sixty Okay. 2203 01:55:42.640 --> 01:55:45.640 So where kangaro recording that group look to be fair, 2204 01:55:45.840 --> 01:55:48.840 I'll give you this pass out in that Voodoo. I'm 2205 01:55:48.960 --> 01:55:52.920 fairly certain when we did the STV ring of whatever 2206 01:55:54.439 --> 01:55:56.760 that I did the same thing. I think I stood 2207 01:55:56.840 --> 01:55:58.640 on the edge and d Sborn the boss as well, 2208 01:55:58.680 --> 01:56:03.560 but I can't one hundred percent remember I may have, 2209 01:56:03.880 --> 01:56:06.840 but it's it's it's I don't think it's a you know, 2210 01:56:06.960 --> 01:56:09.680 an outrageous thing to do, because until you do it, 2211 01:56:09.800 --> 01:56:14.840 you just don't know. Yeah. Yeah, and Voodoo abused me 2212 01:56:15.119 --> 01:56:19.039 for the same reason exactly. But no, they're very good. 2213 01:56:19.560 --> 01:56:22.279 I'll take that for an intro kangaroo court. Fuck them, 2214 01:56:22.479 --> 01:56:25.560 you know that's that's no good. But we'll get to 2215 01:56:25.960 --> 01:56:30.239 we'll get to another kangaroo court. Submission and I love so. Typically, 2216 01:56:30.359 --> 01:56:32.920 whilst you know, any story like that from al is 2217 01:56:32.920 --> 01:56:36.600 always welcome. Typically, we love to throw guilties under the 2218 01:56:36.680 --> 01:56:38.840 bus in kangaroo court, and we love to have a 2219 01:56:38.880 --> 01:56:43.439 bit of fun and tongue in cheek poking at each other. Now, merk, 2220 01:56:43.560 --> 01:56:45.520 my man, are you still with us? Can I grab you? 2221 01:56:45.600 --> 01:56:46.239 If that's okay? 2222 01:56:48.000 --> 01:56:48.159 Yeah? 2223 01:56:48.880 --> 01:56:50.760 Mate, you had a submission? Is that correct? 2224 01:56:52.399 --> 01:56:52.880 That's right? 2225 01:56:53.439 --> 01:56:56.720 Who have we got? Who's charge for a while? Two 2226 01:56:56.840 --> 01:56:57.199 for one? 2227 01:56:57.439 --> 01:57:01.239 Yes, yeah, an RFD and. 2228 01:57:02.880 --> 01:57:07.039 Well, first of all, one of our dps disconnected, So 2229 01:57:07.479 --> 01:57:10.359 let me pull up the actual things. 2230 01:57:10.960 --> 01:57:13.199 I want to get the names right. 2231 01:57:13.520 --> 01:57:17.520 So the first was injected, Yeah, injected. 2232 01:57:17.760 --> 01:57:21.720 Yeah, whilst we had this this, you know, we had 2233 01:57:21.760 --> 01:57:24.239 this hunter who disconnected and we were waiting to see 2234 01:57:24.239 --> 01:57:24.920 if he came back. 2235 01:57:25.640 --> 01:57:27.880 So we're all standing around different parts of dungeon, and 2236 01:57:28.039 --> 01:57:29.399 whilst we're standing around with. 2237 01:57:29.479 --> 01:57:34.960 Articular hands, Injected gets, you know, in typical rogue fashion, 2238 01:57:35.079 --> 01:57:37.880 gets the great idea to start the escort quest and 2239 01:57:38.319 --> 01:57:41.680 Razor vandelns not waiting for everybody to be around or 2240 01:57:41.720 --> 01:57:45.119 for the whole group to be there, so we have 2241 01:57:45.239 --> 01:57:48.439 to fucking scramble to run to this NPC escort into 2242 01:57:48.760 --> 01:57:51.760 the stupid little room where it spawns a bunch of 2243 01:57:51.800 --> 01:57:55.479 those squillboards, and we proceed to you know, get our 2244 01:57:55.560 --> 01:57:59.119 fucking faces caved in because we don't have enough. 2245 01:57:59.000 --> 01:58:02.039 People who among us am I right? 2246 01:58:04.119 --> 01:58:04.640 Who would have. 2247 01:58:04.680 --> 01:58:07.680 Thought the rogue would have done right? And that's the 2248 01:58:07.800 --> 01:58:11.920 thing that came as no surprise at all. 2249 01:58:13.560 --> 01:58:15.640 So then you had a second guilty come and put 2250 01:58:15.720 --> 01:58:19.359 his hand up of something in snacks correct, yes. 2251 01:58:19.319 --> 01:58:26.239 Snacks, you know, answers the calls like a chat. He's like, yeah, going, 2252 01:58:26.319 --> 01:58:28.920 you guys, just give me a summon. So we went 2253 01:58:29.000 --> 01:58:33.600 out some of them in and uh, thirty minutes later 2254 01:58:35.119 --> 01:58:41.840 the group comp is Warrior Rogue, Rogue Stax Elemental Shaman Priest. 2255 01:58:42.600 --> 01:58:49.439 So we have two rogues in the dpsing and like 2256 01:58:49.720 --> 01:58:52.600 two pulls before the boss next is like, oh, well, 2257 01:58:53.279 --> 01:58:56.960 I guess win Fury told him would be a good idea. 2258 01:59:00.199 --> 01:59:03.399 Righteous outrageous that whole that whole time he hadn't been 2259 01:59:03.479 --> 01:59:03.920 dropping it. 2260 01:59:05.000 --> 01:59:06.960 Yeah, the whole time hadn't been dropping at all. And 2261 01:59:07.039 --> 01:59:12.119 it's like, oh, well, yeah, thanks for remembering. When we're 2262 01:59:12.159 --> 01:59:12.920 about to finish the. 2263 01:59:12.960 --> 01:59:15.359 Last what kind of shaman does he think he is? 2264 01:59:15.439 --> 01:59:17.880 But also I don't know, do we more put that 2265 01:59:18.000 --> 01:59:21.079 on you guys for not sending the abusive messages within 2266 01:59:21.159 --> 01:59:23.079 a quarter of a second of the pool starting that 2267 01:59:23.119 --> 01:59:24.279 wind fury wasn't down. 2268 01:59:27.239 --> 01:59:31.159 I would put part of the responsibility on those two 2269 01:59:31.319 --> 01:59:34.600 rogues as the tank. I couldn't give care either way, 2270 01:59:34.720 --> 01:59:37.079 but yeah, it is. 2271 01:59:37.800 --> 01:59:39.560 It is on them and. 2272 01:59:41.199 --> 01:59:48.760 Much you know, as people mentioned in the conversation there 2273 01:59:48.800 --> 01:59:53.680 in the in the channel, ah, I wouldn't trust those 2274 01:59:53.800 --> 01:59:56.399 rogues to know to turn off their poisons to benefit 2275 01:59:56.399 --> 01:59:57.439 from the wind fury anyway. 2276 02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:04.399 So we've got one charge of against injected for starting 2277 02:00:04.439 --> 02:00:06.800 an escort quest without everyone being ready for it, and 2278 02:00:06.880 --> 02:00:09.199 a second charge for snacks for being allergic to win 2279 02:00:09.319 --> 02:00:13.600 fury totem guy's guilties all rounds. I reckon. 2280 02:00:14.960 --> 02:00:15.960 Major guilty. 2281 02:00:18.039 --> 02:00:20.079 Now, I guess this service. 2282 02:00:20.560 --> 02:00:23.279 Yeah, some picking up some trash by the side of 2283 02:00:23.319 --> 02:00:25.640 the highway for a while for snacks, I think for 2284 02:00:25.760 --> 02:00:29.520 that one. Have we still got vestige, Yes, we do 2285 02:00:29.720 --> 02:00:33.920 vestigy with us. I'm here, yes, mate, Now you've got 2286 02:00:34.000 --> 02:00:39.319 an epic tale of tears but also sort of triumph. 2287 02:00:39.479 --> 02:00:40.079 Is that correct? 2288 02:00:41.640 --> 02:00:43.680 Yeah, I guess we've got a kangaroo cord against a 2289 02:00:43.800 --> 02:00:45.760 certain smelly bum warlock. 2290 02:00:45.920 --> 02:00:48.600 Oh here we go, here we go, all right. 2291 02:00:49.600 --> 02:00:54.520 So the wonderful and great lad decided that he could 2292 02:00:54.600 --> 02:00:59.279 take us through the Fellstone Forge I think it's called 2293 02:00:59.680 --> 02:01:04.239 or something and whatever, the dungeon and blasted Lands. Yeah, 2294 02:01:04.479 --> 02:01:07.399 fortress in Blasted Lands, and he was going to run 2295 02:01:07.479 --> 02:01:10.000 me through it. So I had like eight quests there. 2296 02:01:10.039 --> 02:01:13.479 It's great xp there and Jigantor said he had someone 2297 02:01:13.560 --> 02:01:15.680 to come along too, and he had a few quests too, 2298 02:01:15.720 --> 02:01:18.159 so he said, hey, let's get together and run that through. 2299 02:01:18.800 --> 02:01:22.760 We picked up a few pugs, a rogue and a shaman, 2300 02:01:23.520 --> 02:01:25.520 so we're gonna five man run through this, try to 2301 02:01:25.560 --> 02:01:29.079 grab as much stuff as we can. And the shaman 2302 02:01:29.199 --> 02:01:32.039 was okay, but the rogue became a problem. He liked 2303 02:01:32.079 --> 02:01:35.000 to pull everything that he possibly could. He was very 2304 02:01:35.039 --> 02:01:37.159 low level, I think, which is coming to us wave 2305 02:01:37.199 --> 02:01:41.119 after wave and stuff respawns and they're like crazy. So 2306 02:01:41.760 --> 02:01:44.479 the kicking point was when he decided to start the 2307 02:01:44.600 --> 02:01:47.199 escort for no damn reason in there. So we have 2308 02:01:47.279 --> 02:01:49.319 to pretty much run out to do the escort. So 2309 02:01:49.880 --> 02:01:52.159 we did the escort, and then we did the polite 2310 02:01:52.279 --> 02:01:54.279 nice thing and said you know what, guys, we're done, 2311 02:01:54.720 --> 02:01:57.880 you know, we'll just wrap it up there, and we 2312 02:01:58.000 --> 02:02:00.399 basically all left group and then just reform to go 2313 02:02:00.520 --> 02:02:04.600 back in Quest we had, so mejiagain, Torn Laz are 2314 02:02:04.680 --> 02:02:07.960 back in there. We're piling away, killing a few rare 2315 02:02:08.079 --> 02:02:12.199 spawns and getting Quest done, and then the gnome rogue 2316 02:02:12.840 --> 02:02:15.760 still pops up again and he keeps whispering me, hey, 2317 02:02:15.880 --> 02:02:19.079 invite me back, Invite me back. I just ignored him 2318 02:02:19.079 --> 02:02:22.560 at this point, but he's still sulking around us kind of, 2319 02:02:22.640 --> 02:02:24.279 you know. I see him popping in out of stealth 2320 02:02:24.319 --> 02:02:26.760 the round, and I assume he's just picking up Quest 2321 02:02:26.840 --> 02:02:31.840 items or something. As we clear through the Fellstone. Then 2322 02:02:32.039 --> 02:02:34.239 we decide to go up a tower and kill a 2323 02:02:34.359 --> 02:02:37.640 bot and to see if he got any loop. And 2324 02:02:37.720 --> 02:02:39.479 then right in the middle of us killing it, all 2325 02:02:39.520 --> 02:02:42.039 of a sudden, this little gnome fucker comes out of 2326 02:02:42.119 --> 02:02:47.239 nowhere and starts laying into my app and unfortunately, Uh 2327 02:02:47.920 --> 02:02:52.640 Laz and Cliance I'm Hord, so there's nothing they could 2328 02:02:52.640 --> 02:02:56.720 do to help me. I just get absolutely obliterated, six 2329 02:02:56.840 --> 02:02:59.720 levels lower than me and still kicking my app. That's 2330 02:03:00.119 --> 02:03:03.119 just rogues are very insane, and I I'm not PvP 2331 02:03:03.359 --> 02:03:05.640 spect or anything. So I don't have much help. So 2332 02:03:05.720 --> 02:03:09.600 I'm just getting killed by the At this point, the 2333 02:03:09.720 --> 02:03:13.720 rogue decides to camp me. There's no way for Laz 2334 02:03:13.960 --> 02:03:17.960 or gigant out because I'm you know, it's Alliance's board. 2335 02:03:18.439 --> 02:03:21.399 So I should also say that I accidentally got PvP 2336 02:03:21.520 --> 02:03:24.680 flagged for some reason. Laz got TVP flagged earlier, and 2337 02:03:24.720 --> 02:03:26.439 I had to flag myself to heal him. So that's 2338 02:03:26.479 --> 02:03:28.600 how I ended up flagging the situation on the PV server. 2339 02:03:29.520 --> 02:03:33.520 But so I'm getting camp buy this guy and I 2340 02:03:33.880 --> 02:03:37.000 go into guilt Chad and I I hartly beg, I'm like, 2341 02:03:37.760 --> 02:03:40.359 need another person down here. I just I we need help. 2342 02:03:40.520 --> 02:03:42.520 We need help. Our guild is in a time of 2343 02:03:42.760 --> 02:03:45.279 need that you know, it is dark out. 2344 02:03:45.159 --> 02:03:48.119 There, that that signal has been thrown out there. 2345 02:03:48.800 --> 02:03:52.319 Yes, and we're just just begging, just begging for anybody 2346 02:03:52.399 --> 02:03:57.039 to help us. And a certain warlocks said, uh, he 2347 02:03:57.239 --> 02:03:59.199 has to play with his puns in a bit, he 2348 02:03:59.279 --> 02:04:06.039 can't help, and so, uh we is is that what 2349 02:04:06.199 --> 02:04:06.520 I said? 2350 02:04:06.640 --> 02:04:09.079 Is it? That's what he's calling it? 2351 02:04:09.800 --> 02:04:11.520 Yeah, that's what the kids call it nowadays. I gotta go, 2352 02:04:11.520 --> 02:04:13.560 I gotta go spend ten minutes and play with my talents. 2353 02:04:15.640 --> 02:04:21.279 So at that point I noticed Krudef was looking in general, 2354 02:04:22.560 --> 02:04:24.520 and I'm like, hey, well there's a perfect there's an 2355 02:04:24.640 --> 02:04:28.560 orc warrior I need, I we need. I message him saying, hey, 2356 02:04:28.680 --> 02:04:31.520 we need help. Men camped by this guy in Fellstone, 2357 02:04:31.720 --> 02:04:34.479 you're in the zone. He instantly drops the group he's 2358 02:04:34.520 --> 02:04:37.239 in and body hops to get to us as fast 2359 02:04:37.239 --> 02:04:41.439 as he can. Absolute legend to help us out. And 2360 02:04:41.439 --> 02:04:43.840 at that point we finished up the questing down there, 2361 02:04:44.319 --> 02:04:46.560 and the rogue still keeps trying to kill me every 2362 02:04:46.600 --> 02:04:48.760 now and then, trying to pop out of stealth and 2363 02:04:48.880 --> 02:04:51.399 kill me, and every time Crudiff has to come around 2364 02:04:51.439 --> 02:04:54.079 and give the road a good smacking to uh put 2365 02:04:54.159 --> 02:04:54.840 him in his place. 2366 02:04:55.199 --> 02:04:59.600 So de Crudef killing once or twice. 2367 02:05:00.880 --> 02:05:08.039 Twice dominated three times actually, But the grogue was such 2368 02:05:08.079 --> 02:05:10.600 a dick that he even waited at the quest givers 2369 02:05:10.640 --> 02:05:12.960 to try and jump me again, so he knew where 2370 02:05:12.960 --> 02:05:14.680 we were going to turn in the quest and try 2371 02:05:14.720 --> 02:05:18.520 to get us. So Krudef gets an absolute a plus 2372 02:05:18.640 --> 02:05:22.119 for helping us out, and a certain warlock it was 2373 02:05:22.119 --> 02:05:23.960 a little too busy playing with his new talent too. 2374 02:05:24.119 --> 02:05:25.720 It's his guild need. 2375 02:05:26.119 --> 02:05:29.319 I I look, I've only got a partial defense. 2376 02:05:29.399 --> 02:05:29.600 I am. 2377 02:05:29.960 --> 02:05:34.520 I am more than guilty of this crime. Here's what 2378 02:05:34.680 --> 02:05:38.920 actually happened. I saw the the he is what actually happened. 2379 02:05:39.279 --> 02:05:44.439 I saw the squealing like a like a you know, 2380 02:05:44.920 --> 02:05:49.520 a young babe in guild chat. Help help. I'm terrible 2381 02:05:49.640 --> 02:05:52.880 at PvP and this guy is just destroying my life. 2382 02:05:52.920 --> 02:05:55.079 I'm going to quit the server if nobody comes to 2383 02:05:55.199 --> 02:06:00.520 my aid instantly. Here's something along those lines, and I went, 2384 02:06:00.920 --> 02:06:04.199 you know what, here's what I actually said. I said, mate, 2385 02:06:04.199 --> 02:06:06.159 I'll come help, but I've just got to take some 2386 02:06:06.319 --> 02:06:10.479 time to change my talents. Unfortunately, I did take like 2387 02:06:10.800 --> 02:06:13.600 ten minutes there because I just read on the subreddit 2388 02:06:13.680 --> 02:06:18.760 the demonology is fucking annihilating people in PvP, and I'm like, oh, 2389 02:06:18.800 --> 02:06:20.880 I've got to try this fucking fell guard out because 2390 02:06:21.079 --> 02:06:25.239 I was spectafliction, and because I know I haven't bought 2391 02:06:25.319 --> 02:06:27.560 juel Speck and I know respecking is expensive. So I 2392 02:06:27.600 --> 02:06:29.840 sat there for ten minutes and really chose my talents 2393 02:06:29.920 --> 02:06:34.000 carefully while Vestige is getting brutalized in the plastid Lands 2394 02:06:34.000 --> 02:06:36.720 and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'll be right there. I'll 2395 02:06:36.760 --> 02:06:39.079 be right there. Yeah, mate, I'm coming, I'm coming. I 2396 02:06:39.359 --> 02:06:41.439 was dragging my heels because I'm like, I'm going to 2397 02:06:41.520 --> 02:06:43.760 take the ten minutes to travel there, and this rogue 2398 02:06:43.800 --> 02:06:46.079 will be long gone and then I'll be like, oh, 2399 02:06:46.239 --> 02:06:50.800 oh my god. But after like ten minutes, I finally 2400 02:06:50.880 --> 02:06:53.840 started to move towards them, after getting all my talents picked, 2401 02:06:54.199 --> 02:06:56.520 and I whispered Vestige and I go, is he still there? 2402 02:06:56.960 --> 02:06:58.760 And He's like, nah, he seems to have moved on, 2403 02:06:59.199 --> 02:07:03.640 and I'm like, cool, Okay. So I am absolutely the 2404 02:07:03.760 --> 02:07:07.399 villain here for not rushing to my guilty side instantaneously. 2405 02:07:07.840 --> 02:07:09.560 I should have done it. I didn't. I was a 2406 02:07:09.640 --> 02:07:12.680 long way away. But you know whatever, I'm the bad 2407 02:07:12.720 --> 02:07:14.800 guy next time. Next time I'll come and get you, 2408 02:07:14.920 --> 02:07:17.239 get in for you. But I'm glad Krudef came and 2409 02:07:17.319 --> 02:07:19.680 saved the day. Good on your crudeff at least crude 2410 02:07:19.680 --> 02:07:23.760 effort to be fair. Now, in my defense, outside of 2411 02:07:23.840 --> 02:07:27.560 Krudef being in the fucking zone with you, I believe 2412 02:07:27.640 --> 02:07:30.920 I was the only guilty to even say anything towards 2413 02:07:30.960 --> 02:07:34.159 you in response to coming to save you. So maybe 2414 02:07:34.199 --> 02:07:36.119 I was one of the only people who could fucking 2415 02:07:36.560 --> 02:07:38.840 do anything about it. But anyway, I'm a piece of shit. 2416 02:07:39.039 --> 02:07:41.119 I dragged my heels and I shouldn't have. I deserve 2417 02:07:41.199 --> 02:07:43.680 that one. But I'll give you a I'll give you 2418 02:07:43.760 --> 02:07:47.960 another story for Kangaroo Court that from me that even 2419 02:07:48.000 --> 02:07:50.840 throws myself under the bus even further, just to continue 2420 02:07:50.840 --> 02:07:52.239 to prove how big of a piece of shit I 2421 02:07:52.319 --> 02:07:58.520 truly am. So some of you will be aware that 2422 02:07:58.880 --> 02:08:05.880 through the week I guild kicked a second person for 2423 02:08:06.479 --> 02:08:09.319 roaching out on the guild. So this is nothing Schmiek 2424 02:08:09.399 --> 02:08:13.800 has well and truly redeemed himsell himself. Everyone feel comfortable 2425 02:08:13.920 --> 02:08:16.560 doing dungeons with Schmik. We love Schmiek again, he is 2426 02:08:16.680 --> 02:08:19.279 the rogue on the path to redemption. That's all been 2427 02:08:19.319 --> 02:08:24.159 put to bed. So the next story involves someone else 2428 02:08:25.840 --> 02:08:28.279 who I think I will keep their name out of 2429 02:08:28.359 --> 02:08:31.640 it just to you know, protect the guilty or he's 2430 02:08:31.720 --> 02:08:35.199 innocent and guilty in this regard. It's a story full 2431 02:08:35.239 --> 02:08:40.640 of gray characters, I believe. So this guy roached out 2432 02:08:40.680 --> 02:08:45.319 on the guild twice in Dungeons, and my sort of 2433 02:08:45.960 --> 02:08:48.760 red flags were up about him from the very start 2434 02:08:48.920 --> 02:08:54.119 because the second he joined the guild, I sort of 2435 02:08:54.319 --> 02:08:56.680 sort of had no idea where he came from. And 2436 02:08:57.079 --> 02:08:59.760 he just joined the discord two seconds before joining the 2437 02:08:59.800 --> 02:09:02.279 guilt and I whispered at him and I was like, hey, mate, 2438 02:09:02.800 --> 02:09:04.680 just out of interest, how did you find the guilds? 2439 02:09:04.760 --> 02:09:08.039 And he goes, oh, just on YouTube? And I go, oh, 2440 02:09:08.119 --> 02:09:09.960 what do you mean? Have you been watching the podcast 2441 02:09:10.000 --> 02:09:11.800 for a long time on YouTube? And he goes, no, 2442 02:09:11.920 --> 02:09:13.720 I just found a video and just then and just 2443 02:09:13.760 --> 02:09:15.800 watched five minutes of it and decided to join the guild. 2444 02:09:16.520 --> 02:09:18.479 And I was like, oh God, these are the exact 2445 02:09:18.560 --> 02:09:20.960 kinds of people I'm not wanting to get into guild. 2446 02:09:21.079 --> 02:09:23.439 So I said to Laz, I'm gonna g kick this 2447 02:09:23.520 --> 02:09:26.279 guy after this maridn run because he's just a fucking random. 2448 02:09:27.600 --> 02:09:29.640 I wound up not doing it because I felt bad, 2449 02:09:29.680 --> 02:09:32.680 and I should have listened to my gut, because what 2450 02:09:32.840 --> 02:09:35.680 proceeded to happen over the next week was he started 2451 02:09:35.760 --> 02:09:39.239 joining guild dungeon runs and sorry Kleptor roaching out. I mean, 2452 02:09:39.319 --> 02:09:41.920 he just bailed on Guilties in the middle of dungeon runs. 2453 02:09:41.960 --> 02:09:44.479 So he went to a couple of higher level dungeons 2454 02:09:44.520 --> 02:09:48.800 with the boys. He was tanking a UBRS with Gigantor 2455 02:09:49.399 --> 02:09:52.520 and Gigantor you said, he just fucking literally disappeared in 2456 02:09:52.560 --> 02:09:54.159 the middle of the run, never came back and never 2457 02:09:54.239 --> 02:09:54.760 said anything. 2458 02:09:54.880 --> 02:09:59.279 Right, it was Avid, but yeah, he kind of dc 2459 02:10:00.079 --> 02:10:01.119 say anything when he came back. 2460 02:10:01.399 --> 02:10:03.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, So ditched out on those guys 2461 02:10:03.880 --> 02:10:07.960 while he was tanking, no less, and then another one 2462 02:10:08.319 --> 02:10:12.880 was with lads, I believe where he just fucking yeah, 2463 02:10:13.000 --> 02:10:15.840 they they had a wipe, and you know, it's funny 2464 02:10:15.920 --> 02:10:18.439 how the people don't ditch when things are going well, 2465 02:10:18.640 --> 02:10:23.199 but after a knee wipe, he just bounced and then 2466 02:10:24.199 --> 02:10:25.199 never to be heard from again. 2467 02:10:25.279 --> 02:10:30.199 Right, lads, Yeah, we had a we killed the boss 2468 02:10:30.319 --> 02:10:31.840 was a wipe. I was the last one alive and 2469 02:10:32.359 --> 02:10:34.520 it's kind of bubbled and got the last like two 2470 02:10:34.560 --> 02:10:38.439 percent killed the boss and strata undead and then uh, 2471 02:10:39.359 --> 02:10:41.039 you know, then the ads overwhelming because I was along 2472 02:10:41.079 --> 02:10:43.399 with that a healer. So then so we run back 2473 02:10:43.520 --> 02:10:48.279 and the rogue pug got was mad, so he left 2474 02:10:48.720 --> 02:10:51.399 and then jed a green and then so then I asked, 2475 02:10:51.520 --> 02:10:53.560 he goes, all right, let's keep going. Should we get 2476 02:10:53.680 --> 02:10:55.960 another person or do you want to end it there? 2477 02:10:56.039 --> 02:11:00.399 And he had known that I needed I need that engine. 2478 02:11:01.199 --> 02:11:03.920 And so he didn't answer nothing, and I was with 2479 02:11:04.680 --> 02:11:06.720 another guilty swamp. He's like down. I was like, yeah, 2480 02:11:06.720 --> 02:11:10.039 I'm definitely I'm down. Let's keep going. So he just 2481 02:11:10.119 --> 02:11:15.239 did it. I whispered him party chat DM and discord 2482 02:11:15.359 --> 02:11:18.520 like just nothing nothing after like ten minutes, and so 2483 02:11:18.640 --> 02:11:21.439 we replaced them and another in the rogue and then 2484 02:11:21.479 --> 02:11:22.880 we you know, smooth sailing. 2485 02:11:23.119 --> 02:11:25.840 Yeah, And there was no no agreement to ditch the 2486 02:11:25.880 --> 02:11:27.560 dungeon or anything. He just left. 2487 02:11:28.520 --> 02:11:30.800 He didn't say the word no. The next day I said, 2488 02:11:30.920 --> 02:11:35.159 like he messaged. He messed me, was like, hey, hey, 2489 02:11:35.439 --> 02:11:36.800 you want to do a dungeon. I was like, well, 2490 02:11:37.640 --> 02:11:39.800 what happened yesterday? You know you're okay? Like I was 2491 02:11:39.880 --> 02:11:41.479 being nice, like I didn't say anything bad. I just 2492 02:11:41.520 --> 02:11:44.319 said like, are you okay? You like left us, like 2493 02:11:44.479 --> 02:11:48.159 what's going on? And then crickets didn't say anything, Yeah, 2494 02:11:48.199 --> 02:11:50.279 respond to that. And then it was the next day 2495 02:11:50.319 --> 02:11:51.560 that you did. 2496 02:11:51.680 --> 02:11:53.439 All this went down. And this is the thing that 2497 02:11:53.600 --> 02:11:56.359 rankles me is this, and this is very very typical 2498 02:11:56.439 --> 02:12:00.600 of the average Wold gamer. As soon as confrontation brewing, 2499 02:12:01.000 --> 02:12:06.279 they disappear people genuinely. Is once they get a sniff 2500 02:12:06.359 --> 02:12:08.840 of someone accusing them of being an asshole, they just 2501 02:12:08.880 --> 02:12:13.800 stop responding to messages. So I DMD this guy on 2502 02:12:13.920 --> 02:12:16.359 Discord when I heard this story from Laz and Gi 2503 02:12:16.439 --> 02:12:18.479 Gantor said, yeah, that guy did that to me as well. 2504 02:12:18.560 --> 02:12:22.159 So I DMed him and said, hey, man, did you 2505 02:12:22.359 --> 02:12:26.439 bail on the guys in a dungeon yesterday? And like 2506 02:12:26.800 --> 02:12:29.079 just over twenty four hours went by and he didn't reply. 2507 02:12:30.560 --> 02:12:33.199 And he contacts me in game for dungeons all the 2508 02:12:33.279 --> 02:12:35.439 time as well, and I hadn't. I think I'd done 2509 02:12:35.479 --> 02:12:39.279 one or two with him in like the forties, and 2510 02:12:40.199 --> 02:12:43.000 I whispered him in game and I said, hey man, 2511 02:12:43.479 --> 02:12:47.279 I reached out to you on Discord trying you now 2512 02:12:47.439 --> 02:12:50.960 in game. Have did you bounce on a couple of 2513 02:12:51.000 --> 02:12:55.119 the guys in a strata or whatever yesterday? And he 2514 02:12:55.439 --> 02:12:58.600 eventually replied to me and he goes like, oh, yeah, 2515 02:12:58.680 --> 02:13:00.880 we agreed that we were to come, that we were 2516 02:13:00.920 --> 02:13:02.800 going to ditch it and come back and finish it 2517 02:13:02.840 --> 02:13:05.840 off later. And I said, that's not what I'm being told. 2518 02:13:05.880 --> 02:13:07.680 And I'm also being told that you bounced on the 2519 02:13:07.720 --> 02:13:10.520 guys while you were tanking a fucking dungeon with them, 2520 02:13:10.600 --> 02:13:13.640 the other day and just never said anything. And he's like, 2521 02:13:13.800 --> 02:13:16.199 he said something along the lines of like sorry if 2522 02:13:16.199 --> 02:13:19.880 I've offended anyone, And I just said, look, man, like 2523 02:13:21.279 --> 02:13:24.199 you know, I'm just gonna guild kick you because, like 2524 02:13:24.560 --> 02:13:26.199 you know, you've done it a couple of times now, 2525 02:13:26.359 --> 02:13:28.560 and it's not so much that you're bouncing as much 2526 02:13:28.640 --> 02:13:31.079 as you're just like you're avoiding the topic. You're not 2527 02:13:31.199 --> 02:13:34.399 talking to anyone, and your excuse is a shit house. 2528 02:13:35.359 --> 02:13:37.680 So I g kicked him on the spot. And this 2529 02:13:37.840 --> 02:13:39.720 is where things get weird. So this is where I 2530 02:13:39.840 --> 02:13:43.760 become a little bit of the villain as well. So 2531 02:13:44.039 --> 02:13:48.239 at this point he then drops the line to me, oh, 2532 02:13:48.720 --> 02:13:52.079 but I just deposited twenty guild in the guild bank. 2533 02:13:53.319 --> 02:13:58.000 Give that back to me now. Upon receiving that comment, 2534 02:13:58.239 --> 02:13:59.800 I need to set the stay. 2535 02:14:00.560 --> 02:14:00.680 Now. 2536 02:14:00.800 --> 02:14:03.279 Don't get me wrong, I'm the fuck we here. This 2537 02:14:03.399 --> 02:14:05.920 is one hundred percent me being a fucking idiot. But 2538 02:14:06.039 --> 02:14:10.199 I need to tell you what was in my mind. Well, 2539 02:14:10.319 --> 02:14:12.880 I have played at this point like two hundred and 2540 02:14:12.920 --> 02:14:17.800 fifty hours of this server. Not once has anyone on 2541 02:14:17.960 --> 02:14:22.399 the podcast in guild Chad or anything, to my recollection 2542 02:14:22.640 --> 02:14:26.800 or to my knowledge mentioned the word guild bank. I 2543 02:14:27.039 --> 02:14:30.920 did not think guild banks existed in this version of 2544 02:14:31.000 --> 02:14:34.800 the game. I'm so used to playing versions of Wow 2545 02:14:34.920 --> 02:14:37.720 Classic that don't have guild banks, and everyone bitches about 2546 02:14:37.720 --> 02:14:39.319 why is there no guild bank? Why is there no 2547 02:14:39.399 --> 02:14:42.880 guild bank? We want guild banks. Nobody said anything about 2548 02:14:42.920 --> 02:14:45.439 guild banks. I just presume they're not in the game. 2549 02:14:46.479 --> 02:14:49.239 So I reply to this guy, what the fuck are 2550 02:14:49.279 --> 02:14:52.079 you talking about twenty guilds twenty gold in the guild bank, 2551 02:14:52.199 --> 02:14:55.279 Like we don't have a guild bank, and he goes, yeah, 2552 02:14:56.199 --> 02:14:58.560 we do, and I've deposited twenty gold in it. I 2553 02:14:58.640 --> 02:15:01.560 want my money back. And I'm like, make you full 2554 02:15:01.600 --> 02:15:06.880 of shit, Go fuck yourself, Go get fucked. And I said, 2555 02:15:07.039 --> 02:15:10.159 do you mean you've sent me like you've mailed me 2556 02:15:10.279 --> 02:15:13.239 twenty gold And I said, if you've mailed me money, 2557 02:15:13.439 --> 02:15:15.760 I will just send it back to you straight away. 2558 02:15:16.119 --> 02:15:18.439 And he's like, no, it's in the guild bank. And 2559 02:15:18.520 --> 02:15:20.159 I'm like, fuck off, idiot, you don't know what you're 2560 02:15:20.159 --> 02:15:24.000 talking about. Go fuck yourself. Stop lying to me. And 2561 02:15:26.760 --> 02:15:31.439 then this guy goes I he DMS me after this 2562 02:15:31.640 --> 02:15:35.560 exchange in game a few hours later, and he goes, 2563 02:15:35.960 --> 02:15:41.439 I'm going to need that fifty gold back and I replied, wait, 2564 02:15:41.640 --> 02:15:44.359 what I thought it was twenty gold, So now it's 2565 02:15:44.479 --> 02:15:47.840 magically turned into fifty gold. He goes, yeah, you're going 2566 02:15:47.880 --> 02:15:49.600 to need to get that money back to me, or 2567 02:15:49.640 --> 02:15:52.640 I'm going to report you on Epoch. You and laz 2568 02:15:52.680 --> 02:15:55.000 are going down for scheming me out of my money. 2569 02:15:56.000 --> 02:16:00.199 And I'm like, what the I'm literally like, there is 2570 02:16:00.279 --> 02:16:02.359 no guild bank, Like what there? We don't have a 2571 02:16:02.439 --> 02:16:05.880 guild bank. What the fuck are you talking about? And 2572 02:16:06.000 --> 02:16:09.119 he's like, I deposited money and you are to get 2573 02:16:09.159 --> 02:16:12.439 it back to me or else. And I'm just like, 2574 02:16:12.720 --> 02:16:13.439 report away. 2575 02:16:13.520 --> 02:16:13.760 Fuck. 2576 02:16:13.800 --> 02:16:15.960 We're like, I'm sick of you. Go fuck yourself. You're 2577 02:16:15.960 --> 02:16:18.760 a piece of shit. I'll go, you're clearly lying. You're 2578 02:16:18.840 --> 02:16:20.880 changing the amount of gold that I owe you. This 2579 02:16:21.039 --> 02:16:23.880 is all a made up story. Go fuck yourself. I'm 2580 02:16:23.920 --> 02:16:27.439 fucking done. And I got pretty. I got like I 2581 02:16:27.640 --> 02:16:31.319 was relatively measured, but I you know, like I said, 2582 02:16:31.359 --> 02:16:33.920 I am aggressive and I don't hold back with the 2583 02:16:33.959 --> 02:16:35.479 swearing when I think I'm dealing with it. 2584 02:16:35.559 --> 02:16:35.799 Can't. 2585 02:16:36.680 --> 02:16:41.559 So this guy then creates a post in the looking 2586 02:16:41.680 --> 02:16:45.680 for Guild channel of the Epoch Discord and he goes 2587 02:16:46.639 --> 02:16:49.760 The funniest part is his title, where he goes, I 2588 02:16:50.159 --> 02:16:53.840 gave twenty golds to the Countdown Guild and they g 2589 02:16:54.120 --> 02:16:57.159 kicked me, And I'm like, why would anyone g kick 2590 02:16:57.239 --> 02:17:01.200 you for giving the guild's twenty gold? Completely left out 2591 02:17:01.280 --> 02:17:04.239 the part about why we actually g kicked him, and 2592 02:17:04.520 --> 02:17:10.479 he posted screenshots of my discord dms with him, and 2593 02:17:10.719 --> 02:17:13.520 he tried to throw me and the guild under the bus, saying, 2594 02:17:13.520 --> 02:17:15.319 you know where fuck weds don't deal with these guys 2595 02:17:15.360 --> 02:17:17.799 blah blah blah. And at least like the guys on 2596 02:17:17.920 --> 02:17:21.600 the Epoch Discord were like, something smells really fishy here, 2597 02:17:21.879 --> 02:17:25.239 like we definitely feel like we're not getting the whole story. 2598 02:17:25.799 --> 02:17:27.680 You sound like a bit of a fuck with blah 2599 02:17:27.680 --> 02:17:33.639 blah blah. I get tagged in the Epoch fucking Discord 2600 02:17:33.760 --> 02:17:36.399 by a random who's like, look, this guy's in the 2601 02:17:36.520 --> 02:17:38.559 in the discord. At least tag him so he can 2602 02:17:38.639 --> 02:17:41.040 respond to you. So I go, oh, my god, thank 2603 02:17:41.079 --> 02:17:42.680 you so much for tagging me. I never would have 2604 02:17:42.959 --> 02:17:45.360 seen this if you hadn't have tagged me. Allow me 2605 02:17:45.520 --> 02:17:52.040 to respond. So I give the story right and and 2606 02:17:52.360 --> 02:17:54.600 I find out when I sort of look at this 2607 02:17:54.719 --> 02:17:59.639 guy's screenshots of the dms, he's deleted. People don't realize 2608 02:17:59.639 --> 02:18:03.000 he can do this. He's deleted portions of his replies 2609 02:18:03.079 --> 02:18:05.719 in the dms to make himself look better. So I 2610 02:18:05.920 --> 02:18:08.799 posted the og dms and I go, look, at the 2611 02:18:08.920 --> 02:18:11.319 end of the day, we're dealing with the guy who 2612 02:18:11.760 --> 02:18:14.440 hasn't told you why he was actually g kicked, is 2613 02:18:14.559 --> 02:18:17.239 changing the amount of money from what he says we 2614 02:18:17.399 --> 02:18:21.120 owe him, and is editing dms to make himself look better. 2615 02:18:21.319 --> 02:18:23.520 Like I kind of rest my case that this guy's 2616 02:18:23.559 --> 02:18:25.440 the problem. I'm fucking done with him. He can go 2617 02:18:25.559 --> 02:18:30.959 fuck himself. That was the end of it. So then 2618 02:18:31.600 --> 02:18:35.559 also I thought so. Then about an hour later, I 2619 02:18:35.639 --> 02:18:38.799 think Vestige or Yak or someone tags me in a 2620 02:18:38.840 --> 02:18:41.799 screenshot and the Guild in the countdown to Classic Discord 2621 02:18:41.840 --> 02:18:43.840 and they go, ah, Josh, you're probably gonna want to 2622 02:18:43.840 --> 02:18:47.520 see this, and as a screenshot of a Guild bank 2623 02:18:48.239 --> 02:18:52.079 with twenty gold deposited in it, with a timestamp and 2624 02:18:52.200 --> 02:18:57.799 everything by old mate that we're just gkicked, and they're like, Josh, 2625 02:18:58.079 --> 02:19:00.479 you might want to talk about this, he said, I've 2626 02:19:00.520 --> 02:19:05.920 gotten Nah, no fuck, So guild banks do exist. I 2627 02:19:06.000 --> 02:19:10.000 thought this guy was smoking crack, so he had actually 2628 02:19:10.079 --> 02:19:14.559 deposited twenty gold in the guild bank. How However, the 2629 02:19:14.680 --> 02:19:21.079 one interesting wrinkle was the timestamp showed that he deposited 2630 02:19:21.200 --> 02:19:24.680 the cash after he found out that he was in 2631 02:19:24.799 --> 02:19:27.959 trouble for broaching out on people in dungeons, and he 2632 02:19:28.360 --> 02:19:31.000 mentioned something. I wish I could remember the specific wording, 2633 02:19:31.360 --> 02:19:34.440 but he mentioned something to me when I whispered him 2634 02:19:34.479 --> 02:19:38.239 in game about oh, look, I've just deposited some money 2635 02:19:38.280 --> 02:19:40.280 in the guild bank. Can we just get over this 2636 02:19:40.479 --> 02:19:43.879 and just you know, everyone's you know, everyone said some things. 2637 02:19:43.959 --> 02:19:45.600 Can we just kind of stay in the guild and 2638 02:19:45.719 --> 02:19:48.239 you know, it's all good. So he was like basically 2639 02:19:48.319 --> 02:19:50.959 trying to buy his way back into the guild or 2640 02:19:51.040 --> 02:19:54.879 back into our favor. And as soon as we found 2641 02:19:54.920 --> 02:19:58.120 this out, I DMD youb straight away and said, can't. 2642 02:19:58.200 --> 02:20:00.200 You're the only one with access to this gil old 2643 02:20:00.200 --> 02:20:03.040 bank that I didn't even know existed. Can you please 2644 02:20:03.120 --> 02:20:05.600 get this dickhead's money back to him as soon as possible, 2645 02:20:06.079 --> 02:20:08.200 and you be logged on that night and sent it 2646 02:20:08.280 --> 02:20:12.159 back to him straight away. I DMD the guy and said, listen, 2647 02:20:12.280 --> 02:20:14.959 fuck with You've got your cash now, I've got no 2648 02:20:15.079 --> 02:20:16.959 regrets about kicking you out of the guild. You're a 2649 02:20:17.040 --> 02:20:19.719 fucking massive widow. Go fuck yourself and never talk to 2650 02:20:19.799 --> 02:20:24.360 me again. And that's the story. So I absolutely kangaroo 2651 02:20:24.440 --> 02:20:28.879 caught myself for really, you know, nailing in on that 2652 02:20:29.040 --> 02:20:31.559 there are no guild banks. Fuck off you line, kunt 2653 02:20:32.000 --> 02:20:35.239 when this guy was actually telling the truth. But there's 2654 02:20:35.319 --> 02:20:39.399 a lot of extenuating circumstances in my mind that still 2655 02:20:39.639 --> 02:20:42.200 make him more of a villain in the story than me. 2656 02:20:42.399 --> 02:20:45.479 But long story short, everyone knows. Look, guys, I'm one 2657 02:20:45.520 --> 02:20:48.159 of the driving forces behind this guild and I'm just 2658 02:20:48.239 --> 02:20:49.799 a huge tool at the end of the day and 2659 02:20:49.879 --> 02:20:51.520 should be treated as such. Is that fair. 2660 02:20:53.479 --> 02:20:55.319 For sure? And I have to plead guilty as well 2661 02:20:55.319 --> 02:20:58.000 because I was egging you on the whole time. There's 2662 02:20:58.040 --> 02:21:00.040 definitely no guild bank. I do they existed, but I 2663 02:21:00.159 --> 02:21:02.360 know we had one. I was like, egging you want Tony, 2664 02:21:02.440 --> 02:21:03.319 we don't have a guild bank. 2665 02:21:03.479 --> 02:21:05.799 Ah, well that's the thing it was. But that was 2666 02:21:06.040 --> 02:21:09.120 a difference in semantics because some people were like, they 2667 02:21:09.200 --> 02:21:11.520 don't exist, and some people were like, they exist, but 2668 02:21:11.639 --> 02:21:14.120 we don't have one because we haven't started using it yet. 2669 02:21:14.399 --> 02:21:16.239 But it turns out this guy was the only guy 2670 02:21:16.280 --> 02:21:21.840 that had done anything with it. And as as people said, 2671 02:21:22.559 --> 02:21:26.040 how weird is it of him unsolicited to throw twenty gold, 2672 02:21:26.120 --> 02:21:28.479 which is not a small amount into the guild bank 2673 02:21:28.639 --> 02:21:30.440 in a game where there's no rating yet. 2674 02:21:31.959 --> 02:21:33.559 I mean, everybody knows when you get in trouble with 2675 02:21:33.559 --> 02:21:35.399 the guild, you take money out, you don't put money in. 2676 02:21:36.959 --> 02:21:38.120 He's doing it the wrong way. 2677 02:21:39.360 --> 02:21:44.239 Yeah, anyway, lay into me, Vestige, someone anyone fucking give 2678 02:21:44.280 --> 02:21:45.719 it to me. How much of a cockhead? Am I? 2679 02:21:48.319 --> 02:21:51.639 I think you need to deposit twenty g into the bank? 2680 02:21:55.799 --> 02:21:57.879 I'll tell you my last words to him, as he 2681 02:21:58.040 --> 02:22:02.280 was like excusing me of so he was benthesh. He 2682 02:22:02.319 --> 02:22:04.559 was trying to like gasolate me into this whole story 2683 02:22:04.600 --> 02:22:06.840 about how we agreed on separate time to finish the 2684 02:22:06.879 --> 02:22:10.120 dungeon or anything. I just said, listen, listen, man, I'm 2685 02:22:10.159 --> 02:22:11.840 just gonna quote you on what you said, and then 2686 02:22:11.840 --> 02:22:12.719 I put them on ignore. 2687 02:22:13.319 --> 02:22:16.159 Oh there you go, Vestige. What are you gonna say. 2688 02:22:17.520 --> 02:22:19.840 I'm gonna say you're bad for giving them money back? 2689 02:22:19.920 --> 02:22:22.399 Man, Oh, you wouldn't have given it back. 2690 02:22:23.799 --> 02:22:25.840 No, after all that crap, I'd be like, I'm sorry, 2691 02:22:25.920 --> 02:22:28.840 it's your feet, it's your guilt. 2692 02:22:28.639 --> 02:22:33.239 Kick fee oh dear. Anyway, so that was that was 2693 02:22:33.399 --> 02:22:37.840 my dalliance with a wow weirdo this week. And you 2694 02:22:37.920 --> 02:22:39.399 could argue that I was maybe a little bit of 2695 02:22:39.399 --> 02:22:41.360 a weirdo myself there in that story. But that was 2696 02:22:41.399 --> 02:22:44.479 a bit of fun. Guys. If nobody, does anybody else 2697 02:22:44.559 --> 02:22:48.799 have any funny stories about guilty's or runs that they've 2698 02:22:48.840 --> 02:22:51.440 done with them over the past week, Gigantle, you could 2699 02:22:51.479 --> 02:22:53.479 even have a laugh at me for blowing myself up 2700 02:22:53.520 --> 02:22:57.399 when I tried. I literally pressed enslave demon the button 2701 02:22:57.559 --> 02:22:59.920 for the first time in my life yesterday in that dune, 2702 02:23:00.120 --> 02:23:01.639 and it did not work out well for me. 2703 02:23:02.520 --> 02:23:05.000 It was literally just telling the guys before we started 2704 02:23:05.040 --> 02:23:06.000 this podcast about it. 2705 02:23:07.639 --> 02:23:16.559 I now understand how that ability works, but I actually 2706 02:23:16.600 --> 02:23:20.079 hate it. Everyone's like, oh, mate, you gotta you gotta 2707 02:23:20.120 --> 02:23:25.559 fucking enslave the infernal in uh in barton Hold. It 2708 02:23:25.719 --> 02:23:29.280 is so big and so annoying, and I can't use 2709 02:23:29.360 --> 02:23:32.079 soule link on it, so I do five percent less 2710 02:23:32.159 --> 02:23:35.719 damage on everything else outside of the Infernal's abilities. I 2711 02:23:35.840 --> 02:23:38.520 fucking hate it. I'm not convinced it's the metaphor that dungeon. 2712 02:23:39.879 --> 02:23:42.760 Well, the aura it gives you is pretty great. 2713 02:23:43.000 --> 02:23:45.680 Well, that it's its own. Yeah, it's only the aura 2714 02:23:45.760 --> 02:23:47.440 that is the reason you would do it, And the 2715 02:23:47.479 --> 02:23:48.760 aura is fantastic. 2716 02:23:50.639 --> 02:23:53.760 Yeah, you deal last damies. But the group as a 2717 02:23:53.799 --> 02:23:54.280 whole is. 2718 02:23:54.959 --> 02:23:56.600 True, true, true, true, true. 2719 02:23:56.600 --> 02:23:57.159 We can't have that. 2720 02:23:57.319 --> 02:23:57.920 We can't have that. 2721 02:23:58.040 --> 02:23:58.719 Oh I thought it was. 2722 02:23:59.079 --> 02:24:01.399 Isn't it the aura? Just if you get hit, you 2723 02:24:01.559 --> 02:24:02.440 deal damage or not. 2724 02:24:04.840 --> 02:24:05.040 Yeah. 2725 02:24:06.239 --> 02:24:08.200 Yeah, so it's a tank thing as opposed to it. Well, 2726 02:24:08.200 --> 02:24:09.280 I guess it's a group thing as well. 2727 02:24:09.319 --> 02:24:14.360 But yeah, yeah, it's basically an insane thorns. 2728 02:24:14.239 --> 02:24:16.399 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I guess I guess it's 2729 02:24:16.440 --> 02:24:18.680 fair then in that case, yes, it probably isn't beta. 2730 02:24:18.719 --> 02:24:20.639 All right, I'll keep doing it. But the fucking the 2731 02:24:20.760 --> 02:24:23.639 infernal is so big and it's so annoying to re 2732 02:24:23.799 --> 02:24:27.000 enslave it every five minutes. It's just anyway, whatever. 2733 02:24:29.879 --> 02:24:31.840 He was clipping through walls because he was so big. 2734 02:24:32.239 --> 02:24:35.280 Yeah, he ran through a wall and pulled a next like, 2735 02:24:35.719 --> 02:24:38.479 he pulled the next room on us, and everyone was like, uh, 2736 02:24:38.959 --> 02:24:42.559 what's going on. I literally watched him apparate through a wall. 2737 02:24:44.719 --> 02:24:47.159 We had our warlock get his infernal stuck in the 2738 02:24:47.239 --> 02:24:52.399 doorway and just had like release it and captured again. 2739 02:24:52.639 --> 02:24:56.639 Yeah, stuck. Well the thing, yeah, the thing people don't 2740 02:24:56.680 --> 02:24:59.600 realize is that. And Jack Antorein and I have talked 2741 02:24:59.600 --> 02:25:03.079 about this very briefly previously on the podcast. Pets do 2742 02:25:03.360 --> 02:25:08.239 seem to have rather outrageous agro rangers and let alone 2743 02:25:08.479 --> 02:25:11.639 with the size of this infernal. At one stage, the 2744 02:25:11.760 --> 02:25:14.799 tank ran through the corridor and tried to skip pulling 2745 02:25:14.879 --> 02:25:17.360 the side rooms, and as soon as I walked through 2746 02:25:17.399 --> 02:25:19.760 with my infernal, they all ran out and agro at 2747 02:25:19.760 --> 02:25:22.000 the infernal and someone had to go at me and 2748 02:25:22.200 --> 02:25:25.159 was like, why the fuck did you pull those I'm like, mate, 2749 02:25:25.159 --> 02:25:27.479 I didn't fucking do it on purpose, you idiot, Like 2750 02:25:29.719 --> 02:25:33.520 what do you want me to do? Fucking walking through 2751 02:25:33.680 --> 02:25:36.600 tight corridors with the old incredible hole here by my side? 2752 02:25:36.639 --> 02:25:41.319 I can't control him, but yeah, it's I still love 2753 02:25:41.399 --> 02:25:44.239 barretton Hold. I can't. I don't think we've talked about 2754 02:25:44.239 --> 02:25:46.520 it on the pod. Did we discuss barrodon Hold last 2755 02:25:46.559 --> 02:25:49.479 week on the podcast? And did I get to glaze 2756 02:25:49.520 --> 02:25:53.520 it enough as aggressor loves me to do? Yes, we 2757 02:25:53.639 --> 02:25:55.639 did talk about it. Okay, yes, ten out of ten, 2758 02:25:55.799 --> 02:25:58.799 please go and do it. Still just in love with it. 2759 02:25:58.959 --> 02:26:02.479 The music is phenomen and all. It's just in terms 2760 02:26:02.520 --> 02:26:05.760 of atmosphere, I just I don't know how they did it. 2761 02:26:05.920 --> 02:26:13.000 It's fucking oh my god. Anyway, guys, let's open the 2762 02:26:13.120 --> 02:26:15.239 floor and I want to get this is the part 2763 02:26:15.280 --> 02:26:17.280 of the podcast where we get a bit more casual 2764 02:26:17.360 --> 02:26:19.000 and we talk about it, whatever the fuck you want 2765 02:26:19.000 --> 02:26:23.079 to talk about. Does anyone have issues or things they 2766 02:26:23.120 --> 02:26:25.040 want to talk about with their class, or with the 2767 02:26:25.120 --> 02:26:28.959 Epoch dev team, or with the roadmap or whatever. What's 2768 02:26:29.000 --> 02:26:30.959 come up this week that you've seen that you want 2769 02:26:31.000 --> 02:26:31.520 to talk about. 2770 02:26:33.319 --> 02:26:34.760 Well, I will say that I did run my first 2771 02:26:34.799 --> 02:26:38.559 Bird and Hold last night, and it is a beautiful, 2772 02:26:39.360 --> 02:26:40.680 beautiful looking dungeon. 2773 02:26:40.959 --> 02:26:43.719 Oh so I didn't overglaze this one. 2774 02:26:44.959 --> 02:26:47.079 No, no, I actually really like it, except for the 2775 02:26:47.159 --> 02:26:47.840 fucking monkeys. 2776 02:26:47.920 --> 02:26:50.600 I did not like the monkeys than the barrels. 2777 02:26:51.959 --> 02:26:53.799 Yeah, that was like, what the fuck? 2778 02:26:53.840 --> 02:26:56.079 I think? I think it's funny. I think it's funny. 2779 02:26:56.159 --> 02:26:59.399 Yeah, yeah, I know it was more like what it 2780 02:26:59.479 --> 02:27:02.639 was kind of the out of context that that happened. 2781 02:27:02.719 --> 02:27:07.680 But but just the the lighting in the place, the music, 2782 02:27:08.440 --> 02:27:14.319 and it looks so professionally done that it was kind 2783 02:27:14.399 --> 02:27:15.079 of shocking. 2784 02:27:16.000 --> 02:27:20.319 Honestly, Be careful. Be careful. You're encroaching into positive territory. 2785 02:27:20.399 --> 02:27:23.680 He vestige, I know, I know, be careful. 2786 02:27:24.200 --> 02:27:25.479 It's a Monkey Island reference. 2787 02:27:26.799 --> 02:27:29.200 Oh okay, that makes sense with the pirates, I guess, 2788 02:27:29.879 --> 02:27:30.200 but the. 2789 02:27:32.239 --> 02:27:33.120 Goat got you got. 2790 02:27:33.840 --> 02:27:34.399 I was gonna say. 2791 02:27:34.440 --> 02:27:36.280 My only gripe with the place is they didn't have 2792 02:27:36.440 --> 02:27:38.639 the mini map fixed for it, so you can't use 2793 02:27:38.680 --> 02:27:39.319 it while you're in there. 2794 02:27:39.399 --> 02:27:41.399 Well, the mini map doesn't work in any dungeon, does it. 2795 02:27:42.680 --> 02:27:44.440 I don't know. I haven't really been checking, don't. 2796 02:27:44.799 --> 02:27:46.639 I don't believe they do, but they I think they 2797 02:27:46.639 --> 02:27:48.319 always sad they were going to upload the maps. But 2798 02:27:49.120 --> 02:27:54.239 it works, Okay, don't work in customer, I think, because 2799 02:27:54.239 --> 02:27:56.360 they never did not in the customers. 2800 02:27:57.959 --> 02:28:01.079 But but yeah, Barton, hold look, the loot is great. 2801 02:28:01.520 --> 02:28:07.600 The trash is super appropriately difficult in that. Again, if 2802 02:28:07.639 --> 02:28:10.799 you switched on, it's a pushover. If you're not, they'll 2803 02:28:10.840 --> 02:28:11.440 fuck you up. 2804 02:28:14.319 --> 02:28:15.159 That's a good assessment. 2805 02:28:16.479 --> 02:28:18.239 Yeah, you have to be paying attention when you're doing 2806 02:28:18.319 --> 02:28:21.559 these dungeons. If you're watching Netflix on a separate screen 2807 02:28:21.680 --> 02:28:22.120 or doing something. 2808 02:28:22.120 --> 02:28:27.200 Now, yeah, there are there are prior kill targets, as 2809 02:28:27.479 --> 02:28:31.680 lads will fucking always point out that, Look, yeah, okay, 2810 02:28:31.719 --> 02:28:34.040 if you don't kill this mob first, you probably get 2811 02:28:34.079 --> 02:28:36.920 through the pool. But like it makes it infinitely easier 2812 02:28:37.040 --> 02:28:40.159 if you just kill this warlock or this cannoneer or 2813 02:28:40.239 --> 02:28:40.959 whatever first. 2814 02:28:43.440 --> 02:28:47.799 Preach something that makes me really happy about the dungeon 2815 02:28:48.040 --> 02:28:50.799 if they made it like a capstone dungeon for professions. 2816 02:28:51.520 --> 02:28:53.040 So like, I'm not going to say what it is, 2817 02:28:53.159 --> 02:28:56.239 but there are items that are related to your professions 2818 02:28:56.280 --> 02:28:57.360 that you have to go in the bear. 2819 02:28:58.319 --> 02:29:01.319 Yes, And I'm still chasing my fucking tailoring one that 2820 02:29:01.440 --> 02:29:04.040 I really want, and i keep seeing the leather working 2821 02:29:04.120 --> 02:29:10.159 one drop and I'm like, no, you got your leather 2822 02:29:10.239 --> 02:29:14.399 working one in the run yesterday with me gigantor I did. 2823 02:29:14.479 --> 02:29:16.399 Indeed, I am a very happy person. 2824 02:29:16.879 --> 02:29:19.959 Yeah, and I filled in for you guys, so you 2825 02:29:20.079 --> 02:29:23.680 can you owe me a solid fucking reach around. 2826 02:29:25.680 --> 02:29:27.120 Oh yeah, I'm gonna be helping out a bunch of 2827 02:29:27.159 --> 02:29:27.719 guilties now. 2828 02:29:27.639 --> 02:29:28.280 That I got that thing. 2829 02:29:28.840 --> 02:29:33.959 No, it's all good. The I did enjoy again this 2830 02:29:34.159 --> 02:29:37.280 you got a flash of aggressive Josh Gigantor when I 2831 02:29:37.360 --> 02:29:40.680 joined your group. And the first thing I saw when 2832 02:29:40.719 --> 02:29:43.040 I joined the group was what looked to be a 2833 02:29:43.799 --> 02:29:47.840 mild complaint from one of the clothies going oh great, 2834 02:29:48.000 --> 02:29:51.959 like I'm paraphrasing oh great, another clothy and I'm like, 2835 02:29:52.159 --> 02:29:54.840 hey man, so you go Gigantor. 2836 02:29:55.680 --> 02:29:57.920 Oh prior to you joining the group, they were begging 2837 02:29:58.079 --> 02:30:01.120 for a warlock for your your fellow hounds, and then 2838 02:30:01.719 --> 02:30:04.840 immediately after you join, one of them cries out, oh, 2839 02:30:04.959 --> 02:30:05.760 too many coothies. 2840 02:30:05.760 --> 02:30:07.239 I'm like, make up your fucking mind. 2841 02:30:08.360 --> 02:30:11.159 Yeah, So I chimed in because I'm a caunt and 2842 02:30:11.319 --> 02:30:14.399 I said, I didn't say it like horribly, but I said, 2843 02:30:14.639 --> 02:30:18.479 I think this is pretty much verbatim. Look, you can 2844 02:30:18.559 --> 02:30:22.159 either go into the dungeon have my damage and get 2845 02:30:22.200 --> 02:30:26.079 it done, or you cannot have me sit here and 2846 02:30:26.239 --> 02:30:28.559 not fill and miss out on any chance and loot, 2847 02:30:28.639 --> 02:30:30.840 which would you prefer? And I think that kind of 2848 02:30:30.840 --> 02:30:38.159 shut them up. Yeah, it worked out, so yeah, I'm 2849 02:30:38.479 --> 02:30:41.440 I'm I was just happy to see it again. It's 2850 02:30:41.520 --> 02:30:43.600 it's now the second time I've done it, and I'm 2851 02:30:43.760 --> 02:30:47.680 I'm really really, really really happy that that's a new 2852 02:30:47.719 --> 02:30:49.799 addition to the game, and It's got me excited for 2853 02:30:50.120 --> 02:30:52.200 any new rates or whatever that might be coming in 2854 02:30:52.280 --> 02:30:55.840 future content. Clepta, I see you asking in twitch chat 2855 02:30:56.799 --> 02:30:58.799 what's going on with Epoch is a cross faction? Are 2856 02:30:58.840 --> 02:30:59.479 you being trolled? 2857 02:30:59.479 --> 02:30:59.600 To know? 2858 02:30:59.680 --> 02:31:01.639 You are not being trolled? It is absolutely a cross 2859 02:31:01.719 --> 02:31:06.040 faction server on the PvE server, Kazan Hoarden Alliance can 2860 02:31:06.120 --> 02:31:09.719 group together quest together, being a guild together. It's one 2861 02:31:09.879 --> 02:31:14.840 of the stronger points of the server in my personal opinion. 2862 02:31:15.000 --> 02:31:17.360 So you're not yeah on Gurubashi, it's not the case. 2863 02:31:17.760 --> 02:31:19.760 Oh you are playing Okay. I thought you didn't know 2864 02:31:19.799 --> 02:31:21.680 anything about Epoch for a second, all right, so you 2865 02:31:22.399 --> 02:31:24.680 understand the lay of the land. There you go anyway. 2866 02:31:25.040 --> 02:31:27.879 So that's our story about the barret and hold run. 2867 02:31:29.120 --> 02:31:31.600 Anyone else got anything, lest just throw it out to 2868 02:31:31.639 --> 02:31:33.840 the where the pub boys we're on the beers talk 2869 02:31:33.879 --> 02:31:35.799 about your week in Epoch. Who's got something for me? 2870 02:31:36.719 --> 02:31:42.079 I got a ramp ug so about but I'll tell it. 2871 02:31:42.200 --> 02:31:46.000 You're getting salve and you're gonna like it. People freak 2872 02:31:46.040 --> 02:31:48.600 out when I bless them. Play a prop paladin and 2873 02:31:50.959 --> 02:31:52.479 I do a like guild runs, but also a pug 2874 02:31:52.559 --> 02:31:56.079 light and oneons and people freak out when I give. 2875 02:31:56.159 --> 02:32:00.319 When I bless them, itselve it reduces your this is 2876 02:32:00.399 --> 02:32:03.799 your threat why And they want they want they want 2877 02:32:03.959 --> 02:32:07.280 might or wisdom or something that you know, and their 2878 02:32:07.360 --> 02:32:11.920 mind is gonna be right. What they don't realize is 2879 02:32:12.000 --> 02:32:15.360 that the way I look at is it's increasing your 2880 02:32:15.639 --> 02:32:21.120 damage output potential by thirty percent. Yeah, it's better, Like 2881 02:32:21.159 --> 02:32:21.840 it's so much. 2882 02:32:21.799 --> 02:32:25.040 Better to people. Still, people still seriously realize how good 2883 02:32:25.079 --> 02:32:26.360 salvise go man. 2884 02:32:27.200 --> 02:32:29.079 Yeah, it's called fuck you give me wisdom. 2885 02:32:30.680 --> 02:32:30.879 Yeah. 2886 02:32:31.639 --> 02:32:36.399 So this one, this one road was just wouldn't It 2887 02:32:36.479 --> 02:32:38.840 was mostly a pug, but it also had green dwarf 2888 02:32:38.920 --> 02:32:42.120 with with me feeling and he would not shut up 2889 02:32:42.159 --> 02:32:44.079 about me get himself. I'm like, no, it's better, like 2890 02:32:44.239 --> 02:32:45.920 I don't want my put selves. But he's like, don't 2891 02:32:45.959 --> 02:32:48.920 cut your GPS. Man, Like brace your GPS. I'm not 2892 02:32:49.040 --> 02:32:52.479 cutting you. It's it's better for you trust me, And 2893 02:32:52.639 --> 02:32:54.680 he's like no, So for the first ball said fine, 2894 02:32:54.840 --> 02:32:57.639 but remember you asked for this. So I give him 2895 02:32:57.719 --> 02:33:01.079 mite and he's like all happy and everything. Thing he 2896 02:33:01.200 --> 02:33:04.600 rips agro on. The boss dies within like thirty seconds 2897 02:33:05.639 --> 02:33:09.040 and we kill the botts easily without him and then 2898 02:33:09.120 --> 02:33:12.000 after that gave him put salve back on him. Another 2899 02:33:12.000 --> 02:33:12.840 word was said. 2900 02:33:12.879 --> 02:33:12.959 Just. 2901 02:33:14.639 --> 02:33:16.840 Tail his legs never kept salva on the rest of 2902 02:33:16.840 --> 02:33:19.000 the dungeon, and he didn't say the word. That's pretty 2903 02:33:19.079 --> 02:33:19.879 much been my experience. 2904 02:33:19.920 --> 02:33:23.760 That's it's ever no I embrace salve. I'm I think 2905 02:33:23.799 --> 02:33:27.280 it's I thought I thought this was solved a long 2906 02:33:27.360 --> 02:33:29.319 time ago. The salve is one of the best abilities 2907 02:33:29.360 --> 02:33:31.559 in the game. But anyway, and that's why we all 2908 02:33:31.639 --> 02:33:35.920 freaked out when Horde got you know, the Dashaman got 2909 02:33:35.959 --> 02:33:38.559 their version of Salvin sod or whatever. Everyone's like, oh 2910 02:33:38.639 --> 02:33:43.479 my god. But anyway, uh smit, can I throw it 2911 02:33:43.559 --> 02:33:45.079 to you for a second. I just want to before 2912 02:33:45.120 --> 02:33:48.399 I forget, talk about something I hinted earlier in the 2913 02:33:48.479 --> 02:33:53.239 way of priest healing. I rolled my priest alt. Like 2914 02:33:53.280 --> 02:33:55.440 I said, I've abandoned two olds now, the Paladin and 2915 02:33:55.479 --> 02:33:57.559 the Shaman. I've gone that's it, Priest is the wave 2916 02:33:57.600 --> 02:33:59.920 of the future. Because I saw you, do you think 2917 02:34:00.040 --> 02:34:02.079 in a sixty dungeon? I was like, that just looks 2918 02:34:02.120 --> 02:34:04.760 fucking fun as shit. We've got Yak, We've got Vestige, 2919 02:34:04.799 --> 02:34:06.719 we've got smite here, we've got sci fi, we've got 2920 02:34:06.719 --> 02:34:10.239 a fifth you healing priests in this guild, although you 2921 02:34:10.319 --> 02:34:12.440 might say Vestige is more of a DPS priest. But 2922 02:34:13.559 --> 02:34:16.280 may talk to me about what you've noticed in terms 2923 02:34:16.360 --> 02:34:21.879 of the contrast in experiences between you and other healers 2924 02:34:22.120 --> 02:34:24.520 in these sixty dungeons. Now, I guess you wouldn't have 2925 02:34:24.600 --> 02:34:26.959 seen other healers because you're a healer, but you know 2926 02:34:27.079 --> 02:34:27.719 what I'm getting at. 2927 02:34:29.159 --> 02:34:33.079 Yeah, I would mainly classify myself more like Vestige. In 2928 02:34:33.200 --> 02:34:35.879 most times, I'm trying to do deeps as much as 2929 02:34:35.920 --> 02:34:39.239 I can. But I think one thing you were talking 2930 02:34:39.239 --> 02:34:42.520 about before is that I think a lot of people 2931 02:34:42.520 --> 02:34:45.520 are kind of scared to heal these dungeons, Like they 2932 02:34:45.600 --> 02:34:49.479 are a little bit harder than normal, and people are kind. 2933 02:34:49.399 --> 02:34:50.040 Of a free to them. 2934 02:34:50.520 --> 02:34:53.120 That makes me run towards it like a firefighter towards 2935 02:34:53.159 --> 02:34:53.559 the fire. 2936 02:34:55.159 --> 02:34:55.399 Yeah. 2937 02:34:55.879 --> 02:34:59.760 But if you have a priest healing spec like, it's 2938 02:35:00.040 --> 02:35:03.079 totally fine, Like you're gonna be able to, you know, 2939 02:35:03.239 --> 02:35:05.879 use all your cool abilities like lightwell, you're laughing at 2940 02:35:06.000 --> 02:35:12.040 lightwell the other day, and but and prayer of mending 2941 02:35:12.159 --> 02:35:16.479 is really cool again, and all these cool abilities are 2942 02:35:16.799 --> 02:35:19.959 going on. And but if you aren't, like if you're 2943 02:35:20.000 --> 02:35:22.559 a dpspec, you'd be way harder in some of these 2944 02:35:22.600 --> 02:35:26.920 sixty dungeons. So the dual spec is like super needed 2945 02:35:27.000 --> 02:35:27.280 for them. 2946 02:35:27.360 --> 02:35:32.120 Basically from from the praise healing perspective, Smite, would you 2947 02:35:32.239 --> 02:35:36.920 say that, I mean, not even necessarily praise, but I'm 2948 02:35:37.040 --> 02:35:39.840 getting the impression, and I want to be shouted down 2949 02:35:39.879 --> 02:35:42.760 if I'm wrong here, but I'm getting the impression that 2950 02:35:43.120 --> 02:35:46.719 particularly with healing as opposed to tanking, and LAS can 2951 02:35:46.760 --> 02:35:49.440 tell me if I'm wrong in that regard. But I 2952 02:35:49.600 --> 02:35:55.239 feel like the average healer, like, if you are a 2953 02:35:55.440 --> 02:35:58.559 truly average helock, you are neither good nor bad, you 2954 02:35:58.639 --> 02:36:02.040 are just average. I feel like the average classic wow 2955 02:36:02.120 --> 02:36:05.079 HeLa will get found out on this server, and that 2956 02:36:05.360 --> 02:36:08.280 like what when I look at the damage profiles that 2957 02:36:08.360 --> 02:36:11.520 are going out in these sixty dungeons every time, I'm 2958 02:36:11.639 --> 02:36:16.079 like this heler better be somewhat like clute on and 2959 02:36:16.280 --> 02:36:18.280 know how to play their class because there's a fair 2960 02:36:18.360 --> 02:36:19.079 bit to do here. 2961 02:36:21.440 --> 02:36:22.840 You're spot on, dude, like. 2962 02:36:24.559 --> 02:36:27.600 Like they're they're every second mob as frigging Mortal striking 2963 02:36:27.760 --> 02:36:31.840 is just reckon tanks. So especially if you know the 2964 02:36:32.200 --> 02:36:36.000 old meta was just a DPS and basically do the 2965 02:36:36.040 --> 02:36:39.079 most DPS two tank stuff. You know, you'd have like 2966 02:36:39.239 --> 02:36:44.239 rogue tanks and shaman tanks just cranking or just a 2967 02:36:44.360 --> 02:36:47.399 lot of DPS warriors, but now you basically need to. 2968 02:36:47.600 --> 02:36:50.280 It's really helpful if you actually have tank year and 2969 02:36:50.600 --> 02:36:53.799 are tank specked, because otherwise some of these bosses are. 2970 02:36:53.719 --> 02:36:54.360 Going to murder you. 2971 02:36:56.280 --> 02:36:59.719 Yeah, if you aren't ready for it, that's that's really 2972 02:36:59.760 --> 02:37:02.600 not good thing. And I think that's why there's such 2973 02:37:02.639 --> 02:37:05.440 a shortage of healers. Like you look at LFG Chad 2974 02:37:05.520 --> 02:37:09.319 and every single group is looking for a healer, sometimes 2975 02:37:09.399 --> 02:37:14.879 two healers, because you know, it's just it. And I 2976 02:37:14.920 --> 02:37:17.680 don't blame them. If you're not experienced and haven't been 2977 02:37:17.719 --> 02:37:19.879 playing this game for as long as some of us have, 2978 02:37:20.639 --> 02:37:22.159 it's kind of a scary thing. 2979 02:37:22.760 --> 02:37:25.360 So this is the fair question where again it comes 2980 02:37:25.399 --> 02:37:27.000 I always come back to in the back of my 2981 02:37:27.120 --> 02:37:30.399 head the point raised by vestige on, like how hard 2982 02:37:30.479 --> 02:37:33.000 should we push these players when we're talking about Classic 2983 02:37:33.079 --> 02:37:36.360 Wow in terms of difficulty or engagement as you know, 2984 02:37:36.479 --> 02:37:38.639 a healer or a tank or whatnot. Because I'm like, 2985 02:37:39.399 --> 02:37:41.840 to me, that sounds like heaven. I'm like, oh my god, 2986 02:37:41.920 --> 02:37:43.399 that that's literally why I'm leveling a healer. 2987 02:37:43.479 --> 02:37:43.559 Now. 2988 02:37:43.600 --> 02:37:46.479 I'm like, I can't wait. I really love my Warlock 2989 02:37:46.520 --> 02:37:48.920 and I'm really enjoying living that DPS life for the 2990 02:37:48.959 --> 02:37:52.680 first time ever. But also I'm gagging to try healing 2991 02:37:52.760 --> 02:37:54.920 on this server because it looks engaging and fun in 2992 02:37:55.000 --> 02:37:57.120 the kind of classic wow environment that I want to 2993 02:37:57.159 --> 02:38:01.680 be in. But I do hear from lads, and you 2994 02:38:01.840 --> 02:38:05.200 just mentioned there that like Lazz is like, guys, if 2995 02:38:05.319 --> 02:38:08.200 you want a fucking rating spot or if you want 2996 02:38:08.319 --> 02:38:12.639 a fucking dungeon spot at max level roller healer because 2997 02:38:12.639 --> 02:38:14.600 there it is a ghost town out there as far 2998 02:38:14.719 --> 02:38:17.639 as healers go. And I do wonder if they are 2999 02:38:17.760 --> 02:38:20.879 being scared away because we do have the average wild 3000 02:38:20.920 --> 02:38:24.239 classic gamer on this server who wants to cast one 3001 02:38:24.360 --> 02:38:27.440 Greater Heel every five seconds while they're watching Netflix, and 3002 02:38:27.639 --> 02:38:31.959 that does not fly here. So we're scaring away one 3003 02:38:32.000 --> 02:38:33.959 of the rolls potentially. 3004 02:38:35.399 --> 02:38:37.479 Yeah, but it's not. I mean, I at my Offspeck 3005 02:38:37.559 --> 02:38:39.719 is healing and I just bought at the other day 3006 02:38:39.760 --> 02:38:43.799 and healed my first dungeon the other day and without 3007 02:38:44.319 --> 02:38:48.920 any practice or anything. Oh, I've healed another servers. It 3008 02:38:49.120 --> 02:38:52.280 wasn't like it was definitely more engaging than Milan, must 3009 02:38:52.319 --> 02:38:57.200 be more fun, but it it didn't. I definitely agree 3010 02:38:57.239 --> 02:38:59.920 that dealers being intimidated to get away, but just those 3011 02:39:00.000 --> 02:39:03.280 people think about healing, it's not. I didn't think it 3012 02:39:03.319 --> 02:39:05.159 was anything crazy, Like I didn't have good gear, but 3013 02:39:05.399 --> 02:39:07.440 I did have a spec. I definitely needed the spec 3014 02:39:08.079 --> 02:39:10.920 and it was not It was challenging, but it was 3015 02:39:11.000 --> 02:39:14.360 not impossible and it was not certainly not any more 3016 02:39:14.399 --> 02:39:15.360 challenging than tanking. 3017 02:39:15.479 --> 02:39:18.120 It was ah, I mean you, it was also a 3018 02:39:18.200 --> 02:39:20.319 br D run and the and the tank was barely 3019 02:39:20.399 --> 02:39:24.120 taking damage because an Holy weapon and Chant is fucking busted. 3020 02:39:25.399 --> 02:39:27.799 But I agree you. 3021 02:39:27.879 --> 02:39:31.239 Literally you disconnected on a boss fight and it didn't 3022 02:39:31.319 --> 02:39:33.440 matter because the tank didn't take damage. 3023 02:39:33.639 --> 02:39:36.040 And then he got mine being told and it went. 3024 02:39:36.000 --> 02:39:38.120 To the next DPS and it didn't matter because he 3025 02:39:38.239 --> 02:39:40.959 also was a dual wheel on Holy weapon in Chant 3026 02:39:41.000 --> 02:39:42.920 have her and he didn't take damage either. 3027 02:39:43.799 --> 02:39:44.000 Yeah. 3028 02:39:44.639 --> 02:39:47.120 I've had a healer die on bosses in ubers. I 3029 02:39:47.200 --> 02:39:50.440 just self fields. I'm just saying like it wasn't anything 3030 02:39:50.520 --> 02:39:53.680 different than tank, Like it took a lot, like you 3031 02:39:53.760 --> 02:39:56.360 had to be plugged in, but like it wasn't impossible. 3032 02:39:56.799 --> 02:39:58.120 So if you want to heal and you're just being 3033 02:39:58.159 --> 02:40:00.399 scared away, it's not the guns are not possible. 3034 02:40:00.680 --> 02:40:05.719 You can do it, certainly not impossible. They're just they 3035 02:40:06.239 --> 02:40:09.280 can be a little stressful as the healer. There's a 3036 02:40:09.440 --> 02:40:09.760 lot of. 3037 02:40:13.399 --> 02:40:16.799 I'll just say, fucking yeah, I agree lads in terms 3038 02:40:16.799 --> 02:40:19.000 of like, I don't feel it doesn't look like it's 3039 02:40:19.120 --> 02:40:23.879 asking too much of the healer. But again I'm not 3040 02:40:23.920 --> 02:40:25.920 I don't think they should like But by the way, 3041 02:40:25.920 --> 02:40:27.559 I'm not saying anything should be changed. I think, like 3042 02:40:27.600 --> 02:40:29.520 I said, I'm gushing over the difficulty of this server. 3043 02:40:29.600 --> 02:40:31.760 I think everything is fucking perfect and I can't believe 3044 02:40:31.799 --> 02:40:34.920 they nailed it as much as they did. But it's 3045 02:40:35.000 --> 02:40:37.879 it's a lot of instances where they're not asking that 3046 02:40:38.360 --> 02:40:42.719 much of the players. This isn't retail, but also, the 3047 02:40:42.799 --> 02:40:46.600 average Classic Wow gamer is pretty fucking ordinary at the game, 3048 02:40:46.680 --> 02:40:49.959 and asking anything more than not much is a stretch 3049 02:40:50.040 --> 02:40:50.600 at times. 3050 02:40:55.239 --> 02:40:59.000 Again, say it's a good moment, Yeah. 3051 02:40:58.920 --> 02:41:00.639 I mean you what would I want to hope it 3052 02:41:00.799 --> 02:41:03.239 pushes people to get better and want to learn their 3053 02:41:03.239 --> 02:41:05.280 class or whatever. But yeah, I just think I think 3054 02:41:05.360 --> 02:41:10.639 the average Classic Wow healer really really does just want 3055 02:41:10.680 --> 02:41:14.079 to stand there and cast spam greater heal every three 3056 02:41:14.120 --> 02:41:17.440 to four seconds and not have to think. And this 3057 02:41:17.760 --> 02:41:21.120 I think when you get a moment. There's a great 3058 02:41:21.200 --> 02:41:24.360 moment in a fight and smite and you guys, you'll 3059 02:41:24.399 --> 02:41:26.040 know what I'm talking about. There's a great moment in 3060 02:41:26.079 --> 02:41:29.639 a fight where like you're at fifty percent manner, the 3061 02:41:29.719 --> 02:41:33.719 boss is at fifty percent health and an AOI ability 3062 02:41:33.760 --> 02:41:35.959 has just gone out and everyone's at forty to fifty 3063 02:41:36.000 --> 02:41:40.280 percent health, and now triaging comes into effect and decisions 3064 02:41:40.319 --> 02:41:42.639 have to be made, and it's like, yeah, sure you'll 3065 02:41:42.719 --> 02:41:45.239 hit your prayer of healing and get everyone up that way, 3066 02:41:45.719 --> 02:41:48.319 but you know, the boss continues to hit and now 3067 02:41:48.399 --> 02:41:53.000 it's you know that dealing with the pressure of Okay, 3068 02:41:53.319 --> 02:41:56.559 I have a decision to be made every one and 3069 02:41:56.600 --> 02:41:59.520 a half seconds. Let's hope I mostly make the correct 3070 02:41:59.559 --> 02:42:03.520 decision that I really enjoy that a lot of players 3071 02:42:03.559 --> 02:42:06.479 I think would Again, I am not a god gamer, 3072 02:42:06.840 --> 02:42:08.959 but I'm paying attention and I feel like the average 3073 02:42:08.959 --> 02:42:12.079 wild classic HeLa would like wilt under that pressure. 3074 02:42:14.280 --> 02:42:15.159 Definitely true, man. 3075 02:42:15.319 --> 02:42:18.920 And you know what, like I found that like just 3076 02:42:19.040 --> 02:42:22.719 having uh, there's some potions like I think they're pretty 3077 02:42:22.760 --> 02:42:25.280 good ones on the auction house for like three silver 3078 02:42:25.399 --> 02:42:28.559 apiece for like decent man of potions. Just having a 3079 02:42:28.600 --> 02:42:31.680 couple of stacks of those just makes dungeons way easier, 3080 02:42:32.399 --> 02:42:34.079 like so much less stressful. 3081 02:42:36.559 --> 02:42:39.120 Vestige shines. 3082 02:42:39.479 --> 02:42:42.959 You'd never run a vestige. Are you in the group 3083 02:42:43.000 --> 02:42:45.360 without saying his name? Are you now finding yourself in 3084 02:42:45.479 --> 02:42:47.319 the group of the man that we were just discussing 3085 02:42:47.520 --> 02:42:50.479 that we kicked out of the guild? Yes, I am 3086 02:42:50.799 --> 02:42:52.920 all right, choices, choices. 3087 02:42:54.559 --> 02:42:56.440 I don't know, That's what I'm underbating right now. 3088 02:42:56.719 --> 02:42:58.639 Do you do you let people know that we just 3089 02:42:59.040 --> 02:43:01.440 kicked him because he bails out on dungeons? Or do 3090 02:43:01.559 --> 02:43:06.319 you say nothing? Or what what do you do? Do 3091 02:43:06.479 --> 02:43:08.399 you do you do the run? I mean, there's no 3092 02:43:08.840 --> 02:43:11.520 there was no edicts laid out that we shall never 3093 02:43:11.639 --> 02:43:14.200 do content with this man again. I know I never will, 3094 02:43:14.280 --> 02:43:15.840 but I'm not going to force that on the guild 3095 02:43:15.879 --> 02:43:16.600 by any means. 3096 02:43:18.879 --> 02:43:21.239 No, I'm gonna I'm gonna uphold my standards with the 3097 02:43:21.319 --> 02:43:24.920 guild and declare him a fuck with in the party 3098 02:43:25.040 --> 02:43:25.559 chat right now. 3099 02:43:26.159 --> 02:43:28.600 Fair enough, But remember we just told a story about 3100 02:43:28.680 --> 02:43:31.760 me ditching you, so you don't have to defend my 3101 02:43:31.959 --> 02:43:32.479 honor here. 3102 02:43:33.879 --> 02:43:35.879 No, fuck your honor. I'm defending guilds on her. 3103 02:43:36.079 --> 02:43:42.319 There you go, very good, thank God, thank god. Oh dear, 3104 02:43:44.879 --> 02:43:48.440 oh dear. Yeah, don't go to scorch to earth whatever. 3105 02:43:48.840 --> 02:43:52.159 But I'm not what was I gonna say? 3106 02:43:52.600 --> 02:43:52.719 Uh? 3107 02:43:53.360 --> 02:43:53.920 Where were we? 3108 02:43:54.440 --> 02:43:54.639 Yeah? 3109 02:43:54.719 --> 02:43:55.040 But like. 3110 02:43:56.799 --> 02:43:59.520 I just I got scared off of the shaman healing. 3111 02:44:00.079 --> 02:44:04.159 Also watching I forgot, like seeing the tiki tac way 3112 02:44:04.360 --> 02:44:07.799 that Axel had to deal with chain heel and I'm 3113 02:44:07.879 --> 02:44:10.520 so used to chain heel in more modern versions of 3114 02:44:10.600 --> 02:44:14.280 the game, where like that shit spreads everywhere whereas like 3115 02:44:14.479 --> 02:44:17.840 chain heel here is like he's and I'm so bad 3116 02:44:17.879 --> 02:44:20.959 at this. Axel's like begging me, like Josh, please stand 3117 02:44:21.079 --> 02:44:23.319 closer to someone else, like my chain heel is not 3118 02:44:23.479 --> 02:44:26.000 hitting you, And I would just hate that if I 3119 02:44:26.079 --> 02:44:29.200 were a heeler to have to like coax grouping and 3120 02:44:29.319 --> 02:44:30.959 shit on my AoE ability. 3121 02:44:34.159 --> 02:44:35.760 Well, it adds a layer of. 3122 02:44:37.719 --> 02:44:40.239 Thought to the game though, too, right where it's like, okay, 3123 02:44:40.440 --> 02:44:43.079 well I'm going to stand between the melee and Josh 3124 02:44:43.559 --> 02:44:46.000 because otherwise this chain heel isn't going to bounce where 3125 02:44:46.000 --> 02:44:46.520 it needs to go. 3126 02:44:51.239 --> 02:44:55.440 Look at look at Vestige standing on principle. He bounced 3127 02:44:55.479 --> 02:44:58.399 from the party because old Nate was there and he 3128 02:44:58.520 --> 02:45:04.520 let them know about it. Okay, I've never a tear 3129 02:45:04.639 --> 02:45:06.760 in my eye, Vestige. I've never been more proud of you. 3130 02:45:08.799 --> 02:45:11.920 There we go. Some might call it harsh. I am 3131 02:45:11.959 --> 02:45:15.600 a kunt who says it's not harsh, and you reput 3132 02:45:15.680 --> 02:45:22.799 you so, but there you go. Guys. Please anyone bring 3133 02:45:22.959 --> 02:45:25.520 up what anything that's bothered you or that you've loved 3134 02:45:25.559 --> 02:45:31.680 on Epoch this week. It's an open forum. Everyone might 3135 02:45:31.760 --> 02:45:34.360 be shy. Jack, have you seen anything any any give 3136 02:45:34.399 --> 02:45:39.120 me a give me a trial of triumph for tribulation 3137 02:45:39.319 --> 02:45:41.719 with you and Maizie on the Leveling Journey. How's that 3138 02:45:41.799 --> 02:45:47.639 coming along? We've lost Jack, That's all right. 3139 02:45:48.200 --> 02:45:51.959 I've been like enjoying the auction House game because like 3140 02:45:52.079 --> 02:45:53.719 right now there is kind of a dip but and 3141 02:45:54.200 --> 02:45:55.319 an MC is coming. 3142 02:45:55.399 --> 02:45:58.879 So I'm trying to like find matts and stuff that 3143 02:45:59.000 --> 02:45:59.440 I think. 3144 02:45:59.319 --> 02:46:02.799 Are like gonna increase in value a lot. I'm like 3145 02:46:02.959 --> 02:46:07.120 really going hard and deep into the old elemental fires. 3146 02:46:07.520 --> 02:46:07.639 Uh. 3147 02:46:08.079 --> 02:46:11.319 There's these weird things called dark iron potatoes that like 3148 02:46:11.399 --> 02:46:15.200 are basically selling for vendors and like are they gonna 3149 02:46:15.200 --> 02:46:19.879 be Is there gonna be some you know, like are 3150 02:46:19.879 --> 02:46:23.520 you using these weird potatoes or I don't know, like 3151 02:46:23.719 --> 02:46:27.559 I think dark iron scraps, like they're selling. 3152 02:46:27.440 --> 02:46:28.840 For like one copper a piece. 3153 02:46:28.879 --> 02:46:32.000 Sometimes I'm just scooping those up and just like come on, 3154 02:46:32.280 --> 02:46:36.200 baby stocks, you know, but probably gonna be worthless and 3155 02:46:36.559 --> 02:46:40.360 just you know, me crying two weeks in advance or whatever, like. 3156 02:46:42.120 --> 02:46:46.360 Selling them to the vendor, you know, but whatever, I'm having. 3157 02:46:46.159 --> 02:46:50.879 Fun so you can feats. So they are technically food, 3158 02:46:52.840 --> 02:46:53.280 they are what. 3159 02:46:56.680 --> 02:47:00.120 Oh no way, okay, so they are a. 3160 02:47:00.200 --> 02:47:02.399 Program to be a food. There's just nothing out yet. 3161 02:47:02.360 --> 02:47:04.760 For them, right right right? Yeah, I have seen them. 3162 02:47:04.799 --> 02:47:08.239 I am interested by them as well. Now what else 3163 02:47:08.319 --> 02:47:11.399 is making you money? Let's let's blow Axel secrets out 3164 02:47:11.440 --> 02:47:13.639 of the way. Who apparently is making one hundred gold 3165 02:47:13.680 --> 02:47:14.000 a day? 3166 02:47:17.000 --> 02:47:18.440 I've been relying on the mooncloth. 3167 02:47:18.479 --> 02:47:21.399 I wouldn't got that tailing ring you were talking about 3168 02:47:21.440 --> 02:47:25.319 from Verdon Wold where it makes two mooncloth, and then 3169 02:47:25.520 --> 02:47:28.719 just my other mooncloth recipe has just been you know, 3170 02:47:28.879 --> 02:47:31.520 like that's been my main gold source this whole time. 3171 02:47:32.079 --> 02:47:35.200 Yeah, i'd be nowhere, in all honesty, i'd be I'd 3172 02:47:35.280 --> 02:47:37.399 be fucking broke as shit if I hadn't gone tailoring 3173 02:47:37.440 --> 02:47:40.920 and doing the mooncloth called down. Like I said, I'm 3174 02:47:41.479 --> 02:47:44.280 not playing my warlock now unless someone hits me up 3175 02:47:44.319 --> 02:47:47.920 for a dungeon run. I'm basically leveling the old and 3176 02:47:48.079 --> 02:47:49.959 I haven't been able to play as much because I'm 3177 02:47:50.280 --> 02:47:54.840 under the pump with university work. But it's definitely like 3178 02:47:55.040 --> 02:47:59.879 money is light on my account, so I really appreciate 3179 02:48:00.079 --> 02:48:03.959 that fucking moon close cool down axel is it? Someone said? 3180 02:48:04.079 --> 02:48:06.360 Is it true? Are you making around about one hundred 3181 02:48:06.399 --> 02:48:06.879 gold to day? 3182 02:48:09.000 --> 02:48:11.559 I'd probably make one to two hundred on any day 3183 02:48:11.600 --> 02:48:14.319 I bother to make gold. Oh money, that's probably for 3184 02:48:14.520 --> 02:48:18.040 like fifteen to twenty minutes worth of doing. 3185 02:48:18.399 --> 02:48:21.840 Are you still doing the same weird leather working and chanting? 3186 02:48:21.959 --> 02:48:27.040 Fl same exact But yeah, if anything, it's getting more profitable. 3187 02:48:26.559 --> 02:48:28.680 As time goes to you son of a b okay, 3188 02:48:29.200 --> 02:48:30.879 because I know you want to say it, because you'll 3189 02:48:30.879 --> 02:48:32.959 get an erection as soon as you do. How much 3190 02:48:33.079 --> 02:48:34.239 gold have you got now? 3191 02:48:35.799 --> 02:48:37.879 I mean I wasn't going to but if you're asking, 3192 02:48:37.959 --> 02:48:39.559 I've got about twelve hundred gold. 3193 02:48:39.959 --> 02:48:43.479 Oh man, well you that's pretty good that's pretty fucking 3194 02:48:43.600 --> 02:48:45.200 I think I've got what have I got one hundred 3195 02:48:45.200 --> 02:48:46.040 and thirty. 3196 02:48:47.479 --> 02:48:48.200 And that's you know. 3197 02:48:48.280 --> 02:48:50.440 I bought my epic mountht the moment I hit sexty, 3198 02:48:50.559 --> 02:48:55.280 and I got my Duelspeck, and I bought a bunch 3199 02:48:55.319 --> 02:48:58.479 of unnecessary in chants that I haven't profited at all, 3200 02:48:58.639 --> 02:49:02.879 but it's just wanted to have them use I've been 3201 02:49:02.959 --> 02:49:07.920 enchanting other people, so it's been helping the guild. I'm 3202 02:49:07.959 --> 02:49:09.639 just sending gold to people now. 3203 02:49:09.799 --> 02:49:11.479 And oh you sweet, I. 3204 02:49:11.520 --> 02:49:13.399 Don't know how much money fucking tune it was me 3205 02:49:13.479 --> 02:49:14.040 at this point. 3206 02:49:14.159 --> 02:49:15.120 Oh wow, how funny. 3207 02:49:15.159 --> 02:49:15.520 I love it. 3208 02:49:16.600 --> 02:49:18.319 Speaking of a chance, we should just shout out for 3209 02:49:18.360 --> 02:49:19.959 everyone's you know, take this as a bit of a 3210 02:49:20.000 --> 02:49:22.840 guild noticeboard, guys. I forgot to mention on the show. 3211 02:49:23.040 --> 02:49:26.239 I have Crusader. I spent one hundred and forty gold 3212 02:49:26.319 --> 02:49:28.959 on it. I wiped it like ten days ago, wiped 3213 02:49:28.959 --> 02:49:31.239 out all my money, spent it all on Crusader so 3214 02:49:31.280 --> 02:49:33.399 I didn't have to go and farm it. So the 3215 02:49:33.479 --> 02:49:36.159 guild has a Crusader in chance, So do not pay 3216 02:49:36.319 --> 02:49:40.239 anyone else for it. Please just find me either. Whisper 3217 02:49:40.280 --> 02:49:44.760 Smellie bum in game or DM me on Discord. I 3218 02:49:44.799 --> 02:49:47.360 will log on if it's in Oceanic hours, and I 3219 02:49:47.399 --> 02:49:50.000 will give you Crusader. Just bring me the mats, and 3220 02:49:50.280 --> 02:49:54.159 I believe that I've also got superior striking. I don't 3221 02:49:54.200 --> 02:49:57.719 think that's that rare. But Axel or someone else had 3222 02:49:57.760 --> 02:50:00.719 some other key ones. Remind me who had a sea. 3223 02:50:02.440 --> 02:50:05.600 And Holy are the big ones that I have. 3224 02:50:06.079 --> 02:50:06.319 You have. 3225 02:50:08.239 --> 02:50:09.520 A Standout. 3226 02:50:10.600 --> 02:50:12.000 And Tsunami has which one? 3227 02:50:14.520 --> 02:50:17.479 All the like reputation ones, I think specifically the argent. 3228 02:50:19.799 --> 02:50:23.040 So if you need in chance, guys, hit up Axel. 3229 02:50:23.639 --> 02:50:26.719 Like basically, you only really need me if you need Crusader, 3230 02:50:26.840 --> 02:50:29.000 which is different on this server. It's only for two 3231 02:50:29.079 --> 02:50:33.520 handed weapons. So come to me for Crusader. Maybe hit 3232 02:50:33.639 --> 02:50:41.040 up Axel or Tsunami for anything else. But yeah, an 3233 02:50:41.120 --> 02:50:44.319 Axel sorry, just a shocks McGee is Axel's character, so 3234 02:50:44.479 --> 02:50:52.440 just remember that one. Yeah, I couldn't hear that from Leroy, 3235 02:50:52.520 --> 02:50:58.239 but that's right. So we've got Vestige. I'll just read 3236 02:50:58.280 --> 02:51:00.760 out your reply because it's quite funny. This was what 3237 02:51:00.959 --> 02:51:04.000 Vestige wound up saying to our friend who got kicked 3238 02:51:04.000 --> 02:51:08.559 from the guild. Sorry but I didn't know redacted was 3239 02:51:08.639 --> 02:51:11.360 in this run. He is a known roach, so I 3240 02:51:11.399 --> 02:51:13.920 would rather group with people who finish what they start, 3241 02:51:14.479 --> 02:51:18.639 like I did with his mum last night. Vestige leaves 3242 02:51:18.680 --> 02:51:20.879 the group well, well played, sir. 3243 02:51:22.959 --> 02:51:24.520 It's really poetry, is it? 3244 02:51:24.639 --> 02:51:34.479 Kind of? Is? It's Keatsian? If you will, I love it. So, guys, look, 3245 02:51:34.520 --> 02:51:36.360 we won't go to go on too much longer. I 3246 02:51:36.399 --> 02:51:38.399 think we've been going almost three hours. Now what are 3247 02:51:38.440 --> 02:51:40.440 we now? Two hours forty minutes, will start to wind 3248 02:51:40.479 --> 02:51:43.159 it up. If nobody has anything to say, let me know, 3249 02:51:43.360 --> 02:51:46.120 but speak now forever hold your silence. Any final points 3250 02:51:46.120 --> 02:51:52.799 from this week in Epoch, anything I've forgotten, No, keep leveling, guys, everyone, 3251 02:51:52.920 --> 02:51:54.920 please keep it now. Look, I know we touched on 3252 02:51:54.959 --> 02:51:57.280 a lot of things in this podcast about populations and 3253 02:51:57.399 --> 02:51:59.719 fucking what's going on with Epoch and the roadmap and 3254 02:51:59.719 --> 02:52:03.440 all the shit. If you haven't heard the multiple times 3255 02:52:03.520 --> 02:52:06.120 through the last three hours that we've said so the 3256 02:52:06.280 --> 02:52:09.959 content of this server is still impeccable. We are all 3257 02:52:10.040 --> 02:52:13.840 still having a fucking amazing time. Do not get caught 3258 02:52:13.959 --> 02:52:17.520 up in the noise of the subreddit or whoever wants 3259 02:52:17.559 --> 02:52:20.159 to fucking just be a dooma about oh my God, 3260 02:52:20.760 --> 02:52:24.000 this server's dead. This server's dead, deed at dead. Oh 3261 02:52:24.079 --> 02:52:26.639 my god, imagine playing here. I'm going to ambush here 3262 02:52:28.239 --> 02:52:31.200 as far as I'm concerned, I know, I'm playing on 3263 02:52:31.280 --> 02:52:33.559 Epoch for a reason, and it's for the content. And 3264 02:52:33.680 --> 02:52:39.559 this content right now is unmatched anywhere online, be it 3265 02:52:39.719 --> 02:52:44.399 official or unofficial servers. No private server, and no official 3266 02:52:44.440 --> 02:52:48.040 Blizzard server is delivering you the kind of experience that 3267 02:52:48.079 --> 02:52:51.799 you can get on Epoch. These look fucking mad men. 3268 02:52:51.959 --> 02:52:54.440 Whoever the fuck they are, and whether or not they've 3269 02:52:54.520 --> 02:52:59.040 bailed from the project, they've either through skill, an accident, 3270 02:52:59.239 --> 02:53:02.280 or a combination of the two, managed to cook up 3271 02:53:02.440 --> 02:53:06.200 what is a fucking phenomenal server. If the bugs were 3272 02:53:06.319 --> 02:53:08.959 happens to be fixed on top of the fun of 3273 02:53:09.079 --> 02:53:12.479 the content, we'd all just be sitting here going like 3274 02:53:12.600 --> 02:53:15.319 our minds are being blown. Imagine if all the talent 3275 02:53:15.360 --> 02:53:18.000 trees worked as they were supposed to. Imagine if all 3276 02:53:18.040 --> 02:53:19.920 the bugs were gone. Imagine if a couple of the 3277 02:53:20.000 --> 02:53:23.719 bosses weren't unfortunately overtuned, like we'd all be sitting here 3278 02:53:23.760 --> 02:53:26.440 saying this is the fucking greatest thing since sliced bread. 3279 02:53:27.120 --> 02:53:29.399 I am having so much fun every dungeon I do. 3280 02:53:30.079 --> 02:53:32.280 I have so much fun in Warlock and I just 3281 02:53:32.280 --> 02:53:34.479 talk about warlocks for one second. Oh my god, we 3282 02:53:34.520 --> 02:53:40.520 didn't talk about this. Look, I rolled a Warlock because 3283 02:53:40.959 --> 02:53:44.159 I've always been intrigued by warlocks and I've never seriously 3284 02:53:44.200 --> 02:53:47.079 played one before. I told you the story about how 3285 02:53:47.079 --> 02:53:49.639 I had a Warlock in Classic because I multi boxed 3286 02:53:49.639 --> 02:53:53.159 it years ago, never really played it alone, never leveled 3287 02:53:53.200 --> 02:53:55.479 one properly, had no idea how warlocks worked. I just 3288 02:53:55.559 --> 02:53:58.079 told you the story how I pressed Enslave Demon for 3289 02:53:58.159 --> 02:54:00.600 the first time in my life yesterday, and about and Holt. 3290 02:54:01.920 --> 02:54:04.639 Getting used to this class has been a joy. And 3291 02:54:05.440 --> 02:54:10.319 like also, I will say that they are fucking broken. 3292 02:54:10.479 --> 02:54:13.920 They are beyond broken on this server. They do so 3293 02:54:14.120 --> 02:54:18.000 much damage. It's disgusting and like I'm looking at the 3294 02:54:18.079 --> 02:54:21.520 meters and it's beyond a joke. I know it's one 3295 02:54:21.600 --> 02:54:24.680 thing to call out AoE classes, and Vestige was fair 3296 02:54:24.719 --> 02:54:26.159 to say this to me the other day, because I 3297 02:54:26.200 --> 02:54:28.239 do spend a lot of time just staring at overall 3298 02:54:28.360 --> 02:54:31.000 data because I'm really I get really caught up on 3299 02:54:31.159 --> 02:54:34.440 overall damage in dungeons, because I'm like, this is why 3300 02:54:34.559 --> 02:54:37.040 you take this class, because at the end of the day, 3301 02:54:37.680 --> 02:54:40.079 they are making this dungeon run on the whole go 3302 02:54:40.280 --> 02:54:44.120 that much quicker. But it's not just AoE, it's it's 3303 02:54:44.319 --> 02:54:48.559 everything with the warlock. Like I'm pulling at certain points 3304 02:54:48.559 --> 02:54:50.479 of some flights, I'm pulling one point two to one 3305 02:54:50.520 --> 02:54:53.120 point one k dps when the next best person is 3306 02:54:53.159 --> 02:54:57.000 doing five hundred. That's obviously seed of corruption, just being 3307 02:54:57.079 --> 02:54:59.920 fucking broken. That's all well and good. That happens, we understand. 3308 02:55:00.559 --> 02:55:04.719 But outside of seed and a few people have been like, oh, yeah, 3309 02:55:04.799 --> 02:55:07.239 you know, you have your fun in your group polls. 3310 02:55:07.840 --> 02:55:11.079 Single target it's a different story. No, it's fucking not. 3311 02:55:11.520 --> 02:55:14.520 Warlocks are still topping the meters on single target. I 3312 02:55:14.639 --> 02:55:18.520 think I've been beaten on like one or two fights 3313 02:55:18.799 --> 02:55:23.399 by a shaman, you know, on on single target boss 3314 02:55:23.479 --> 02:55:27.440 fights ninety to ninety five percent of the time, I 3315 02:55:27.600 --> 02:55:31.040 am ten to fifteen percent, if not more, above the 3316 02:55:31.120 --> 02:55:36.440 person who comes second. Like, warlocks are broken, they are 3317 02:55:36.680 --> 02:55:39.920 fucking busted. If you want to pump roll a warlock, 3318 02:55:40.000 --> 02:55:42.200 that's the only advice I can give you, But only 3319 02:55:42.319 --> 02:55:44.799 play a warlock if you actually like the class like that. 3320 02:55:44.920 --> 02:55:47.000 That's all I can say is, have you guys noticed 3321 02:55:47.000 --> 02:55:48.799 this that it's just out of control. 3322 02:55:50.440 --> 02:55:53.959 Hell yeah, it's so fun. 3323 02:55:54.719 --> 02:55:56.920 Same as CBC warlocks, I. 3324 02:55:56.920 --> 02:55:58.879 Would say it's worse. I would say it's worse. 3325 02:55:59.840 --> 02:56:00.920 It's worse than TVC. 3326 02:56:02.760 --> 02:56:05.719 Yeah, it's it's much more busted than how how good 3327 02:56:05.760 --> 02:56:11.719 they were in TBC. It's it's no nobody can find 3328 02:56:11.959 --> 02:56:13.760 I'm not like, I'm not trying to be like a 3329 02:56:13.840 --> 02:56:16.799 DPS gloat because this, Like I said, I'm not the 3330 02:56:16.879 --> 02:56:19.799 world's best warlock. I'm a new warlock who fucking doesn't 3331 02:56:19.799 --> 02:56:22.639 know what I'm doing. I'm still discovering buttons and even 3332 02:56:22.879 --> 02:56:26.719 me in my new state, like, people can't touch me 3333 02:56:26.799 --> 02:56:28.920 on the meters. That's how broken the class is. 3334 02:56:35.200 --> 02:56:38.280 So I'm a group with arcade majors and hunters. Are 3335 02:56:38.319 --> 02:56:39.559 you destroying them? To know? 3336 02:56:39.840 --> 02:56:42.840 We had an arcane mage in the in the Barton 3337 02:56:42.879 --> 02:56:45.760 Hold last night and he couldn't He got close. Don't 3338 02:56:45.799 --> 02:56:47.120 get me wrong, he got close, but I think I 3339 02:56:47.200 --> 02:56:48.799 was still beating him by about ten percent on some 3340 02:56:48.840 --> 02:56:56.559 of those bosses, right Giganta, He's gone, Yeah, I I've 3341 02:56:56.879 --> 02:56:59.719 I've come up against an Elie Shaman. I've come again. 3342 02:57:00.000 --> 02:57:03.799 I'm up against an arcane mage. With gear, and I 3343 02:57:04.799 --> 02:57:09.959 just still think it's not particularly close. Now, don't get 3344 02:57:10.000 --> 02:57:12.959 me wrong, I'm not like smoking them, but I still 3345 02:57:13.000 --> 02:57:15.479 think like ten percent is a fairly big margin. I 3346 02:57:15.520 --> 02:57:22.280 don't know, but anyway, enough sucking my own dick. 3347 02:57:23.399 --> 02:57:24.559 Get a shadow priest in there. 3348 02:57:24.799 --> 02:57:29.079 Oh my God, tell me about it. But yeah, it's 3349 02:57:29.239 --> 02:57:31.840 just it's and I'm doing this as demonology. So like 3350 02:57:31.920 --> 02:57:35.600 I said, I I had really I was initially PvP 3351 02:57:35.760 --> 02:57:38.959 specs Demonology and smashing it. Then I changed to PvE 3352 02:57:39.319 --> 02:57:44.879 spec Demonology, and that fell guard is just insane and 3353 02:57:45.040 --> 02:57:47.319 if you get on top of the pet management, and 3354 02:57:47.360 --> 02:57:50.479 I've changed all my macros to now keep him with 3355 02:57:50.639 --> 02:57:52.680 the most uptime that I can, and I've got some 3356 02:57:52.799 --> 02:57:54.600 weak oors to let me know. There were a lot 3357 02:57:54.680 --> 02:57:57.360 of times when he was standing by my side not 3358 02:57:57.479 --> 02:57:59.840 doing anything, and I didn't realize. Now I'm on top 3359 02:57:59.879 --> 02:58:02.600 of that, he does twenty five percent of your damage. 3360 02:58:02.639 --> 02:58:06.879 He's just so powerful, it's fucking wild, and the Kleevey 3361 02:58:06.959 --> 02:58:12.159 does his great Um, it's just it's incredibly fun being 3362 02:58:12.200 --> 02:58:15.600 a warlock and it goes beyond the numbers. But like 3363 02:58:15.959 --> 02:58:18.239 what I said to you guys, lads in the Dungeon 3364 02:58:18.319 --> 02:58:21.799 we did the other day was I've always typically gravitated 3365 02:58:21.879 --> 02:58:26.120 away from DPS. I don't like playing DPS because I 3366 02:58:26.360 --> 02:58:29.159 like healer and tank because you feel like you're truly, 3367 02:58:29.399 --> 02:58:34.079 truly a standout role and contributor to the dungeon party. 3368 02:58:34.239 --> 02:58:36.879 I am the tank. If I weren't here, you guys 3369 02:58:36.920 --> 02:58:39.200 would be in trouble. I pull all the agro and 3370 02:58:39.319 --> 02:58:42.120 I defend and that's that. And I taunt and if 3371 02:58:42.159 --> 02:58:44.239 I miss a taunt, you could be fucked Like that's 3372 02:58:44.280 --> 02:58:47.399 on me. I am the healer. I need to heal you. 3373 02:58:47.600 --> 02:58:50.280 Without me, you die. If I am a bad healer. 3374 02:58:50.600 --> 02:58:53.760 You will feel the difference. I like feeling like you're 3375 02:58:53.840 --> 02:58:57.399 noticing that I'm there DPS. I've never ever felt that 3376 02:58:57.520 --> 02:59:00.680 way historically with World of Warcraft, they're all in changeable, 3377 02:59:01.000 --> 02:59:04.840 nobody gives a fuck. But as a warlock on this 3378 02:59:05.040 --> 02:59:09.239 service specifically, now I get the impression that it's like, 3379 02:59:09.520 --> 02:59:14.000 oh fuck for warlocks here, fuck yeah, here we go, 3380 02:59:14.719 --> 02:59:18.079 and the skill expression is absolutely there. Where if I 3381 02:59:18.239 --> 02:59:22.559 press the right buttons, people notice that DPS player and 3382 02:59:22.680 --> 02:59:31.319 it feels really good. So I'm just glazing the warlock 3383 02:59:31.399 --> 02:59:34.840 class here, guys. If you haven't seen it roll one. 3384 02:59:35.440 --> 02:59:38.760 It doesn't really come online until you know later down 3385 02:59:38.799 --> 02:59:40.840 the track. Al you will have noticed that you're probably 3386 02:59:40.840 --> 02:59:42.559 only just starting to feel the power now. 3387 02:59:45.079 --> 02:59:50.520 Well, actually yeah, I've I've found that in like you're 3388 02:59:50.719 --> 02:59:56.280 thirties or forties, you've got pretty powerful, but not like 3389 02:59:56.440 --> 02:59:57.280 you're describing. 3390 02:59:58.879 --> 03:00:04.639 Yeah, it's it just all changes. Particularly it's sixty obviously, 3391 03:00:04.760 --> 03:00:07.319 like it's just insane. But anyway, enough about it. 3392 03:00:07.399 --> 03:00:12.399 But I'm yep, I'm Affliction. I'm not Demonology high. 3393 03:00:12.280 --> 03:00:15.000 Leveled as Affliction. I only changed Demonology like four days ago. 3394 03:00:16.360 --> 03:00:20.920 Okay, I just love Afflictions now, so do I. I 3395 03:00:21.000 --> 03:00:22.159 don't see me changing. 3396 03:00:22.520 --> 03:00:26.879 I hate Demonology. I have historically always hated Demonology. It's 3397 03:00:26.920 --> 03:00:29.639 been one of the worst skill trees in the fucking game. 3398 03:00:30.040 --> 03:00:32.239 No matter what version of where we're playing, I've got 3399 03:00:32.360 --> 03:00:36.239 no interest in Demonology. I've always been Affliction mostly some 3400 03:00:36.520 --> 03:00:40.079 destro in like you know the times that I've played 3401 03:00:40.120 --> 03:00:42.840 in like Wrath or Catter or Sod or whatever, just 3402 03:00:42.879 --> 03:00:50.079 doing dungeons. But Demonology just it feels very good in 3403 03:00:50.200 --> 03:00:57.239 this version of the game. I'm really enjoying it. But anyway, yeah, 3404 03:00:57.319 --> 03:00:59.680 give it a go, trust me. Brother, you will love it. 3405 03:01:00.959 --> 03:01:03.000 I was doing really well as Affliction as well, though, 3406 03:01:03.079 --> 03:01:05.159 so don't be deterred by any means, stay of Fliction 3407 03:01:05.280 --> 03:01:08.479 if you love that play style anyone else. Guys, we're 3408 03:01:08.479 --> 03:01:10.239 going to wrap it up unless anyone else has anything 3409 03:01:10.280 --> 03:01:10.840 to leave us with. 3410 03:01:13.959 --> 03:01:14.000 No. 3411 03:01:14.440 --> 03:01:18.959 All right, guys, long Live the Guilds. Countdown is still recruiting. 3412 03:01:19.000 --> 03:01:21.760 I'm still getting people messaging me saying, hey, Josh, long 3413 03:01:21.799 --> 03:01:25.520 time listener. Let me absolutely come on board. The password 3414 03:01:25.879 --> 03:01:28.440 is whatever you want to say. That shows to me 3415 03:01:28.600 --> 03:01:30.559 that you are a listener of the show and not 3416 03:01:30.680 --> 03:01:34.120 someone who's just some random who heard the name Countdown yesterday. 3417 03:01:35.000 --> 03:01:38.719 I've had some funny passwords come into me recently. My 3418 03:01:38.879 --> 03:01:41.440 favorite this week was hunk has a very sexy voice, 3419 03:01:41.920 --> 03:01:44.879 which is always going to be an accepted podcast password 3420 03:01:44.959 --> 03:01:48.440 on this podcast or in this guild. Guys, thanks so 3421 03:01:48.600 --> 03:01:51.159 much for being a part of this chat, and I'll 3422 03:01:51.200 --> 03:01:55.120 speak to you all next week. And that's the episode 3423 03:01:55.159 --> 03:01:57.479 for today. Everyone, Thank you so much for listening to 3424 03:01:57.680 --> 03:02:00.479 all of that. As I mentioned in Great to Tail 3425 03:02:00.559 --> 03:02:02.959 at the top of the episode, I'll be fucking around 3426 03:02:03.040 --> 03:02:06.879 this weekend on Bronze Beard when it launches I'm probably 3427 03:02:06.920 --> 03:02:09.719 gonna check out Sharman Tank because I'm always keen to 3428 03:02:09.840 --> 03:02:11.959 check out a new role and see how they do it. 3429 03:02:12.600 --> 03:02:15.000 I have no doubt there's gonna be three squillion people 3430 03:02:15.079 --> 03:02:17.479 playing Sharman Tank as well, so that should be interesting. 3431 03:02:17.639 --> 03:02:22.959 But look, there's already people who have played the PTI, 3432 03:02:23.000 --> 03:02:25.239 and I've checked out the PTR very very briefly, only 3433 03:02:25.319 --> 03:02:27.159 leveled a few characters to like level six and seven, 3434 03:02:27.280 --> 03:02:29.639 just to see what's going on. But there are people 3435 03:02:29.680 --> 03:02:32.559 in the Countdown community that played Bronze Beard through the 3436 03:02:32.680 --> 03:02:34.639 testing phase over the last you know, a year or 3437 03:02:34.680 --> 03:02:37.559 so or whatever, and have come back and said, look, like, 3438 03:02:37.719 --> 03:02:40.959 you know, just be aware that this thing can sort 3439 03:02:41.000 --> 03:02:43.200 of be like retail in terms of you're just gonna 3440 03:02:43.200 --> 03:02:45.399 spend a lot of time in dungeons. It's got you know, 3441 03:02:46.680 --> 03:02:50.319 very heavy usage of ADF. People just pored straight to dungeons. 3442 03:02:50.399 --> 03:02:52.920 The dungeons are kind of AoE fest. You go through 3443 03:02:52.959 --> 03:02:56.159 them very quickly. You know, it feels a little bit 3444 03:02:56.360 --> 03:02:59.639 retailing in that regard. It's got dungeon scaling. You can 3445 03:02:59.719 --> 03:03:01.920 go to you know, any dungeons at any level or 3446 03:03:01.959 --> 03:03:05.799 whatever scale you scale. Sorry, mobs scale up to you, 3447 03:03:06.120 --> 03:03:07.520 so you know, you can get a level. You can 3448 03:03:07.559 --> 03:03:09.920 be a level sixty and get a Dead Minds or 3449 03:03:09.959 --> 03:03:11.719 something like that, and the mobs will scale up to 3450 03:03:11.799 --> 03:03:13.840 you and the rewards will scale up to you as well, 3451 03:03:13.920 --> 03:03:15.760 so you're sort of not locked out from your friends. 3452 03:03:17.680 --> 03:03:21.239 So just be aware that you know it's it's gonna 3453 03:03:21.239 --> 03:03:24.159 be a weird vibe a little bit. I think they're 3454 03:03:24.239 --> 03:03:28.280 really trying to mix sod and retail and it's gonna 3455 03:03:28.280 --> 03:03:31.200 be an odd clashing of worlds. But I'll give it 3456 03:03:31.239 --> 03:03:33.200 a look, you know what I mean. We'll just see 3457 03:03:33.239 --> 03:03:35.760 how it goes. If you're interested to hear more, like 3458 03:03:35.879 --> 03:03:39.280 come chat with us in the countdown discord. And I look, guys, 3459 03:03:39.479 --> 03:03:42.600 I'm not gonna lie. I really found out about about 3460 03:03:42.639 --> 03:03:44.840 all this like forty eight hours ago. Like I knew 3461 03:03:45.000 --> 03:03:47.719 Bronze Beard was coming, but I didn't know anything about 3462 03:03:47.879 --> 03:03:50.799 Bronze Beard, and I've learnt all the fine details over 3463 03:03:50.840 --> 03:03:53.879 the last two days. It is a fucking weird server, 3464 03:03:54.959 --> 03:03:57.959 you know. But it does have a lot of things 3465 03:03:58.040 --> 03:04:01.040 that I like the look of. Like a few of 3466 03:04:01.120 --> 03:04:03.959 us have been saying, three quarters of the shit sounds 3467 03:04:04.040 --> 03:04:07.680 really cool, a quarter of it sounds fucking gross and 3468 03:04:07.840 --> 03:04:11.319 potentially game breaking, so we'll just go in with very 3469 03:04:11.559 --> 03:04:15.159 tepid expectations and sort of see what happens. But anyway, guys, 3470 03:04:15.280 --> 03:04:17.319 that's the episode for today. I've got to thank the 3471 03:04:17.399 --> 03:04:20.479 patrons who make this all happen for you. To the 3472 03:04:20.559 --> 03:04:24.280 following amazing people, I thank you so much. Flozy b 3473 03:04:24.760 --> 03:04:29.440 fucker Evan, welcome a border. Everyone give it up for Evan. 3474 03:04:29.559 --> 03:04:32.719 What a fucking legend steps right in at the twenty 3475 03:04:32.879 --> 03:04:35.040 dollar mark for you know, twenty bucks a month for 3476 03:04:35.120 --> 03:04:39.719 old countdown. Now listen, all you ungrateful basses, bastards. If 3477 03:04:39.760 --> 03:04:43.040 it weren't for legends like Evan, I'd stop this fucking 3478 03:04:43.079 --> 03:04:46.000 show tomorrow. But people like Evan step up to the plate, 3479 03:04:46.360 --> 03:04:49.280 put the cash in the guitar case, and I get 3480 03:04:49.360 --> 03:04:51.840 to keep plodding along. So thank you so much. Evan, 3481 03:04:51.959 --> 03:04:54.399 You're carrying the team. Thank you, thank you, thank you, 3482 03:04:54.479 --> 03:04:57.879 your fucking legend. Welcome to the Patreon club. Croxford, Odd 3483 03:04:58.040 --> 03:05:02.399 k honey Bee, Winter's Gate, Zorn, Grimoire plays all the 3484 03:05:02.559 --> 03:05:08.200 mighty Dollarman, Jaron h Rengo, gar Vac Simile, thank you 3485 03:05:08.319 --> 03:05:11.760 so much, you amazing amazing people. I love you all, 3486 03:05:12.079 --> 03:05:13.760 and to all the five dollars, two dollars and one 3487 03:05:13.799 --> 03:05:16.920 dollar patrons as well, Thank you so much, and guys, 3488 03:05:17.040 --> 03:05:19.000 look that's it. I'll see you all this weekend to 3489 03:05:19.079 --> 03:05:21.600 fuck around and see what the fuck this bronxbit server 3490 03:05:21.719 --> 03:05:23.719 has for us, and I'll talk to you later, babe,