Speaker 1: It's the Internet. You're busy, Let's do this. Welcome to
the Game as Deicides Podcast. This is the podcast where
we decide everything about the world of games, so you
never have to think for yourself.
Speaker 2: I'm your host Jeff Grubb and with me is Mike Manati.
Speaker 1: In today's episode, Bond is back, Jack, Steam Deck, prices
are jacked, and.
Speaker 2: Mount rushmore of spies we wanted to happen. Mike refused.
He said, no, what happened, That's not what happened now
on my watch. Look, you can believe who you want.
Speaker 3: Mike.
Speaker 2: How you doing good? I don't know why. I think
it's fun that I'm wearing red and you're wearing yellow.
Very Donkey Kong coordinated. Okay, yeah, let's go. We're both
very excited about d K sixty four coming to of
course we are turns out.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if I proposed this to Jan
I think I don't know if I proposed it to you.
Speaker 2: When is that on nso is it on now or
is it next week? No, it's let's think it's during WEGF.
It's like the fourth or something of June.
Speaker 1: So when we get back on the UPF we'll play
the multiplayer mode. Oh, it has multiplayer, right, it has
a multiplayer so NSO can support that.
Speaker 2: We will do the multiplayer mode.
Speaker 1: Everybody, when we get back from SGF, remind me I'm
looking forward to it, all right, Yes, so, uh, I
bet it's gonna be a great time. I'm gonna have
a lot of fun playing Donkey Kong with my friends
the way it was meant to be played online multi player. Hey,
we're uh this time next week we will be in
Los Angeles, Mike and Sean, Right, that's right.
Speaker 2: So yeah, programming, Nope, the game mess asides tomorrow next
week because we will be traveling. It'll be before all
the announcements really happen anyways. Uh for maybe the Sony one.
But uh, that's all right. Well, we'll catch you all
back we're here. We'll still doing the ten Dogs next Tuesday,
do a little pre SGF show, get ready for thanks.
But yep, yep, we'll be we'll be busy checking out
some demos. You're you're gonna be hosting the Couch again,
so yeah, all sorts of stuff. I can't believe. Yeah,
it's that soon. It's a I mean, it was sneaking
up for so long that somehow the the era of
it being soon actually felt like it took forever. I'm
a mostly relieved. We're almost there a point, you know,
it's like things are you know, things are in place.
I have my schedule filled out and I have appointments,
so I'm good to go. I have it. I have
it easier than you do, Jeff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I let you handle that, so
then I could focus on the couch and then it's like, okay,
well on Sunday, we'll be done with that. And once
I'm on the other side of that, I'll be like, may, Mike,
what do you have going on? Maybe I could tag
along to some of those things like that. That's I'm like,
I'm happy to do things that way.
Speaker 2: It's fun stuff. So I'm sure you want to come up. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking forward to like new games just getting
announced and being like, hey, can we go find a
way to play that right now? So yeah, it's gonna
be it's gonna be exciting.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: I'm beginning to look forward to SGF now and uh
really looking forward to GB at night everybody, So yeah,
definitely tune.
Speaker 2: In for that.
Speaker 1: We'll be doing those Friday and Saturday, not this Friday
and Saturday.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sneeze.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I think I'm getting not a cold, but
like allergies or something. It's just sneezing. That's all it's
happened so far.
Speaker 4: Fun.
Speaker 2: Remember when like I I didn't have I didn't get
a cold, I was I just had like this weird
chill for exactly like nineteen minutes. Yes, that was weird.
That was weird.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I hope these aren't ominous signs of us
going to SGF and getting sick. Yeah, the end times,
but yeah, that's Friday and Saturday starting at six pm
Pacific time, and then that would be nine pm Eastern time.
But yeah, let's talk about what we're doing over here.
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Speaker 1: Uh And yeah, with all that out of the way,
let's go ahead and take a break before we get
to the big topics of the week. We'll be right back,
all right, Mike, I got some stories here to talk about,
you ready, yes, sir, So let's let's actually start.
Speaker 2: With this one.
Speaker 1: That steam deck got a big price increase, big, like
a really like a really big one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's been it's been rough for a bunch of
reasons economically speaking, But obviously this is mostly to do
with memory and storage going up because of AI, but
you know, oil prices aren't going to go down all
these other factors. The five hundred and twelve gigabyte O
lead model was five hundred and fifty. It is now
seven hundred and ninety, basically eight hundred dollars. The one
terabyte O lead model was six fifty. It is now
nine to fifty three hundred dollars, a roughly forty five
percent increase in price. Now people will point out that
Gabe Nowle has a five hundred million dollar mega yacht,
and that is I think a fair criticism. At the
same time, I just would like point people to Akham's
razor of like they want as many people to own
a Steam deck as possible, because Valve continues to make
their money from people who buy games on Steam and
play games on Steam.
Speaker 2: And it turns out we have the data.
Speaker 1: I don't have like the numbers right in front of it,
but we did see data early on people who buy
Steam decks buy a lot of games. They buy a
lot of games on Steam, So don't I just don't
think they would do this because they're like, God, we
got to get Gabe another yacht. It's probably like this
is the only way that this whole hardware business makes sense. Now,
I'm sure some of that is Valve is relatively new
to this. I know they've done hardware for a minute now,
but this is like the biggest hardware that they.
Speaker 2: Have and they haven't done it at the scale before.
Speaker 1: So maybe I'm not quite a surprise that they are
getting hit a little bit harder than even some of
these other companies because it's a steam deck. It's not
a PlayStation five, right, It's not like some of these
other things that have maybe even beef your hardware inside
of them. Now, it's a little bit newer than those, sure,
and it is miniaturized in a lot of ways. But
it's almost a one thousand dollars It is way more expensive
than a PS five or is it about the same
price as at PS five pro? Now that's it's just
ESI pros like nine hundred dollars right, right exactly. So
it's this is just a sign of the times and
how bad things really are. That's the only way I
can kind of read it.
Speaker 2: I guess, Like what I wonder is who is possibly
buying steam decks anymore? Like at nine hundred and fifty
dollars for the one terror byte, seven hundred and ninety
for the five hundred and twelve gigabyte, these prices are
so high. I'm sure they're still going to sell some,
but like, don't prices have to fall off by like
at least half you would think with such a huge increase,
it's not the table for so many people the price
is it? If sales fall off like that, is it
gonna be worth them making this stuff anymore doing to
sell it. Are they gonna just maybe pull back from
hardware a bit? See if this stuff blows over, if
there is some AI bubble, there's some political shifts, I
don't know, things. Think we're stuck in this rut for
at least a few more years here optimistically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Antonio Morales does point out like.
Speaker 2: The yeah, they raised the price.
Speaker 1: They brought back the steam Deck on the store for
the first time in months in the United States, and
it has sold out reday really really, gee, the demand
is still there. That's the thing that all these companies,
I think are trying to sort of grapple with it's
you know, a part of that is for like the
other consoles, or the consoles when they raise the price
and they put a little gap between we're going to
raise the price in a couple weeks or in Nintendo's case,
a couple of months, and they are seeing people rush
out to go get the system at the old price.
Speaker 2: And like, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: There's probably still a lot of unmet demand from people
who are waiting for the price to go down, and
now they're like, well, this is effectively the price cut.
Now if I buy it at this price, I think
I think we're seeing that. It's like, yeah, but even
if if people had to like buy it at the
higher price, it seems like a lot of people will
do that.
Speaker 2: Now, of course, you're right, there is going to be
a drop off in sales. There just will be.
Speaker 1: There will be fewer people willing to buy it at
this price, especially because this is older hardware. And I think,
what is to say for the Steam machine and the
Steam frame, It says all of it's going to be
too expensive for most.
Speaker 2: I just I'm just kind of shocked that after all
these years and then a price increase of three hundred dollars.
There are people are like, now is when I really
want to get into this whole steam deck thing. That
just seems bizarre to me. I don't know, gosh, I
mean that has a hardware, and I know that it
still works really well for a lot of games. But
you know, we're definitely reaching a bit of a limit there.
There are competitors out there that are how much is the.
Speaker 5: All eggs like?
Speaker 1: Isn't I think it's pretty similar. I think it's that's
pretty similar in price.
Speaker 5: Isn't that machine like way more powerful than the same.
Speaker 2: Legnif signific more powerful powerful?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know. I am shocked that it's
still selling at that price, and I don't like that.
Part of me is like what what what? I don't
know what to even do with that information. I mean, right,
it is worth worried that the price is going to
go up even more, So get in now it gets
before it gets even worse.
Speaker 1: A scalping A scalpers Really, I don't know, I mean maybe,
but I think it's it is worth pointing out, like
someone said it here in a second, the K shaped economy,
where like we are everyone is guilty and a lot of.
Speaker 2: Economy economists do this.
Speaker 1: They speak about the economy as like the average of
like the average person out there, and then when you
look at it from that perspective, it's like, this doesn't
make any sense. But it's like, well, no, you know,
everyone is feeling kind of crunched right now, but that's
usually because money is flowing in one direction. And we
see this in a lot of charts right now, the
K shaped economy of there are people who are are
doing worse than ever and they're trending downward, and the
people who are at the top of the economy continue
going upwards and they're making even more money and none
of this is affecting them. And while that is a
smaller piece of the like the sort of the cohorts
out there, it's still enough people to sell up several
tens of thousands of steam decks too.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think it's just a matter of like, well, if those
people are so wealthy, why won't they just go and
buy the more expensive and better stuff. A part of
it is like, yeah, luxury buyers is a big yes,
that's one, yes, absolutely, but a lot of people are
just like steam is the best, so anything that has
to do with steam. I'm going to get that it
does have name recognition at this point, Okay, really all
this is just like how much longer is this going
to be?
Speaker 2: Insane? Like this?
Speaker 1: And Mike, it feels like there is no light at
the end of the tunnel. It is like every sort
of indicator we had that things were coming under control
went off the rails when the Iran War started up again.
And it now inflation looks like it is going to
not just come back, but come roaring back and maybe
be like, based on historical trends, could be worse than.
Speaker 2: It was just a lot like for the five year
period we just dealt with.
Speaker 1: And you know, that's that's inflation, which is just a
reason to charge more for everything anyhow. That's before you
get to maybe more tariff madness. That's that seems to
always be on the table, regardless of what the Supreme
Court says. And then yeah, there's oil prices, and then
who knows like when this Ai bubble burst or what
happens there it all is and even when it all does,
if everything went like went belly up tomorrow, in terms
of all of these problems, there's still sort of years
of elasticity in the market of like, these things are
gonna wobble for years before they really actually settle down.
So that's what's gonna happen with oil prices. If oil
prices like kind of got saying tomorrow, it's like we're
still going to be paying a lot of the pump
people are still going to be paying a lot to
ship things for years and years now. So this hobby's
gonna have to like start just changing things. It's just
got have to change because the it's not gonna make
sense for half a decade, Like is that what we're
I don't know, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the really interesting part is going to
be when the PlayStation six launches, what is that price?
And if that is an eight hundred, nine hundred dollars console,
how is that going to compare to the launch of
the PlayStation five, which cuddainly seems like a really reasonable,
uh affordable launch price when that thing came out. I
just I just can't imagine we can have that kind
of mainstream, mainstream penetration, as you said before, with nine,
you know, I got I remember when six, five, nine
nine was the biggest joke in the world. Penetration there.
It is, thank you so much, pass Jeff right that.
But you know, thats the Xbox. Even this other valve hardware,
I don't know they're going to do with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this other valve hardware just feels like a non
starter at this point. Uh, the steam machine is going
to be at this point at least twelve hundred dollars.
It feels like.
Speaker 2: That's not deliver on the dream on price out of
it because like, not like I have a really needed
a Steam sheet anways, but it's just like that's cool
and interesting and new. I would want to at least,
you know, try try that. There's certainly as a price
where even a relatively high price I'd feel comfortable getting
in on that. We're talking one thousand plus now, Absolutely not.
I don't need that that The VR thing is just
VR is already niche, They're not you know, there's not
a lot of new exciting VR software anyways. That just
seems like a hard prospect to sell a very expensive,
brand new VR thing these days.
Speaker 1: Right, And that's an Android device essentially, and it's like
why not just take that the heart of that, maybe
turn it into a more affordable handheld that is running
Steam games on Android a Steam Deck light at that point,
that would be awesome, but who knows. I think they
are going to have a bad taste in their mouth
for hardware after all this.
Speaker 2: And at the same time, I think they kind of committed.
Speaker 1: They've cracked the nut in a lot of ways, and
they've put in a lot of they put a lot
of processes in place to figure this stuff out. They
are kind of a hardware company now, so it's it's
really interesting they have to keep pushing forward, but it's
I bet they regret coming into the point that they did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not great timing. This would have been a good
time to have a half life three or something, right,
This would be a good time to be a software company.
You have all these people, you know who did get
Steam decks and who have Steam in these huge libraries,
like Steam is obviously the monopoly in terms of digital
storefront on PC. And you know, they kind of in
some ways they don't need to have to make software
because they're getting money from everybody else's software, So they
have that, and they have so much of that that
they can't even afford to get banged around a little
bit by all this hardware stuff here, They're going to
be completely fine. Yeah, and yeah, that's right, Sean. I
kept knowing that, like Android doesn't sound right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's arm Linux, which is just kind of a
similar sort of basis for Android. It will effectively be
good for Android, but it Yeah, and what I said
still stands. It would be like a small little handheld device,
like a lot of Linux handhelds.
Speaker 2: That would be great. I hope they do something like that.
Speaker 1: We'll see, but yeah, that is big, big price increases.
Yet another set of price increases continues to feel like
we are not done with that yet. Donkey Kong sixty
four got added to Switch Online Plus Expansion Pact.
Speaker 2: Mike, I know that you are getting added. It's getting well, yes, yes,
they're adding it. That's right.
Speaker 1: It's coming to Switch Online on June fourth. You have
to have the fifty dollars tier, which is the sixty
four tier. But yeah, I looked at this. I'm like, go, man,
that game. I remember that game from a week ago.
Speaker 2: I do too. You know, I think there's gonna be
a lot of people who are maybe interested in that game,
or we're nostalgic about it, wondering how it holds up
all that stuff. So I see quite a few people
dipping in there. You know, that game, It is a
game if you wanted to play for half an hour,
bet each night, get a few bananas. You know, don't
worry about one hund or one percent it because you're
not as sick of but you know, get to that
cool final boss fight. At least I only need like
one hundred and one bananas or something for that. That's neat.
Sixty fourmulation seems like it's pretty good these days. Actually,
I know there's some problems early on, but I think
that thing is in pretty the shape. I've actually been
spending some more time with it and been having fun.
I've been playing Sin and Punishment on there actually that game. Yeah,
hell yeah, I never actually played for it. That's treasure.
I know everyone says that game is amazing. That game's amazing,
that cames super fun. That's good stuff there. So yeah,
it's it's neat. You ever play the WI one? No,
I have a copy of it behind me. I just
have never got to it. I bet that's also great, yep,
for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, the D sixty formulator when even when
they do have issues, they tend to fix it pretty quickly,
like they do care about that stuff. So that's always
nice to see. All right, let's see here Marathon is
going free to play. They're gonna be like a free
to play week for that game, mostly, Mike, this is
just a conversation about, like, you know, this is one
marketing tactic. They probably have a bunch more lined up.
This is gonna be lined up with a new season
launching U which will be like a good time for
a lot of people to come in. Anyhow, it will
probably reactivate people who were who had played and put
it aside. Well, now here's a recent come back because
it's new content, and there will be a bunch of
free to play nubes in there that you can kill.
Speaker 2: That sounds like fun.
Speaker 1: So this is a story of them sort of building
up the future of Marathon. Can they get it to
a point where it needs to be? I mean, I
think they maybe can, but it's gonna be it's gonna
require patients from everyone involved, including Sony, Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you know free weekly that that's a
good start, I suppose, and you'll convert some of those
into paying members. It's it's not gonna solve all of
that gives problems. You know, I don't really know what
if anything can happened or suddenly that gave doubles its
player base or something. It's a slow and steady march.
Speaker 1: I think it's I was telling Jan today on GMMs,
so maybe something akin to what happened with the Warframe,
where it's like every.
Speaker 2: Time they put out a new season, sticking war Frame.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it has more players than ever before, and
it's like, yeah, I think Marathon can do that because
it seems to have the juice for people who love it.
Speaker 2: I mean, the other like big thing is if they
really add some new mode, if they somehow do have
some kind of seam deathmatch mode, or if they insure
some kind of battle Royal thing. And that's a tall order,
but kind of it's Fortnite moment. I suppose right at
the new mode that good.
Speaker 6: They add in a Ppe mo now on the new season. Yeah,
people want to fight other players, which is all right.
The other struction should have the same mode that I
don't think if they're gonna make that the main mode,
and I don't think they're gonna ever do like a
like a dead match stuff for this stuff.
Speaker 5: I don't see that.
Speaker 2: Why not? I get, I mean, I agree, but a
part of me is like, why not? Like what has it?
Speaker 5: And it's horrible?
Speaker 6: Nobody likes it, Like like you don't play these games
for like there's people who never should add like a
gun in that game.
Speaker 2: It does be there's gotta be some kind of relative,
relatively large swath of people who would be more excited
about a new bungeee deathmatch game, right, and that will
get them exed.
Speaker 6: On Destiny and they abandoned it. So like you know
what you play in Destiny PvP.
Speaker 2: Right, that was kind of fun sometimes, but you know
that game, Yeah that they had kind of weird balance
issues with that. Yeah, maybe not. I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're gonna try a bunch of
stuff for that game over the years.
Speaker 2: But right now it is PVEE.
Speaker 1: After this free to play week happens, which let's see,
I think that's happening June second, because yeah, that's June's second, right,
because that's when the new season launches.
Speaker 2: It'll run through June ninth.
Speaker 1: Game is still forty dollars, so maybe, yeah, maybe they'll
get some growth coming out of this and I just
think they excuse me, They just the momentum. They just
need to keep seeing the numbers going up, and then
everyone involved will probably have much higher morale. If it
starts to Wayne and has like this death spiral feel
about it, that'll be rough to watch, but hopefully they
are able to figure this out. Okay, that does it
for the big stories. Let's go ahead and take a break.
We'll talk about what you all want to talk about
when we hit the super chats right after this. All right,
we're back, Let's hit those superchats.
Speaker 2: Mike. Walter Krunk says, space A seems to be a
bit much for Dan right now. I really think if
you guys were real friends, you let him use say
state food for thought.
Speaker 5: For thought, Walter, he's a long he's being here for years.
Speaker 2: I remember that that's one of our longtime listeners. Walter
should that it's Walter Crunk sixty nine shouts out to
Walter Crunk sixty yea forever.
Speaker 1: If this is not Dan, someone putting food for thought
at the end is like an Internet type post is
very much Dan's style.
Speaker 2: So kudos, Uh passo Hawk says Jeff. Please watch the
last fifteen seconds of Mike's launch. Look at Double seven.
You'll know when you see it. I have no idea
what the show. Did you show your James Bond on
camera or something? What happens? Maybe you're Double O agents.
I feel like that's was a joke. People said they
were going to say I did, but yeah, yes, Look,
yesterday was it was all day for me. We got
up early for that dragquest thing, which we haven't we
have talked to you yet, but maybe they'll come up
in super chats and we'll find us about to talk
about it. Started that and then I did the James
Bond to like midnight. So it was a long day
for Mikey's. It's a bit of a blur right now. Well,
I will watch it, uh Missouri. Matt says, thank you
for the content, Jeff and Mike. I have not watched
the Double seven launch, look as I want to preserve
the experience for when I play the game this weekend.
I will enjoy your content later. Yeah, sure thing, Matt,
I totally understand that. Of course.
Speaker 5: No, when you do you now we hate you.
Speaker 2: It's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, I get it that you know that the
parts that he played was all kind of like the
setup stuff. So if you're not quite as sensitive to
that as mad is, I think it's a completely fine
watch if you're still going to plan to play the game.
But if you want to have it all for yourself,
there's a lot of cool things to experience, for sure.
Speaker 2: Let's here, no bud sex, says Mike. If you tried
the two controller dualstick controls and gold and I yet No,
I haven't. I haven't tried that yet. I don't know.
That's pretty weird. Have like I must have a second
sec four control somewhere. I don't know. Sounds gimmickey.
Speaker 1: You can use an eight bid controller in one hand.
Got to get the adapter for it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, fine, honestly, the controls actually feel fine, Like, yeah,
that's not my issue with the game whatsoever. Outer Heaven
says it's the freaking Bond wait wrong franchise. No, we
had a Batman too. It's been a yeah, yees, it's
been a good couple of years there for like these
kind of like we should we should almost do the
mount rushmore of video game go kus sometimes, actually that's
a good one. Batman, James Bond probably good I don't
know if Indy's had more Missus than hits.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, I mean it could be in the conversation,
but probably uh yeah, not Superman, no.
Speaker 2: Is it is Goku. Goku has a good shot, and
Spider Man for sure. I would say, okay, all right,
we can just remember this one. Naten Derek says, I
thought I saw an image about this the other day
and I can't figure it out. Now. What are the
days and times that tune in for GB at night
excited to watch? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mentioned it earlier, but I'll repeat it. So
Friday and Saturday, June fifth and June sixth, six pm
Pacific time, nine pm Eastern is when we'll get started,
and we'll be going for like six hours. So just
kind of start watching. Put us on the TV, or
on your phone or on your laptop, your computer, whatever, Just.
Speaker 2: Hang out with us all night.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a bunch of cool people on to
talk about a bunch of cool stuff.
Speaker 2: All right. Next up here is Ali Merricole, who says,
have you all read the interview with a former Sega
product manager shitting on Eugen Naka oniest goddamn thing I've
read this week?
Speaker 1: No, but that sounds pretty funny. Yeah, someone tagged me
in that on Blue Sky. I want to read it.
Speaker 2: Uh, James Pie says, does Yacht Club have media jail?
Where's my key safe? I don't think so. I mean
it's where. It's like, you know, it's it's a small
team and I have met alone four and they're super
nice and I've loved show I it's on a lot.
It's just part of me like, oh god, now they
think of me as the guy who gave their game
the worst review, and maybe that's all I'm ever gonna
be to them, and that sucks and that's a bummer.
Did the open critic go up? Yeah? I think.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank god, so.
Speaker 2: Your score is even worse now it's a lot of
reviews have come out since like that initial drop. Yes,
so nothing else below and eight but me, no, nothing crazy. Yeah,
I need to really play this game.
Speaker 1: I've played a couple of hours and I was like,
I kind of feel pretty similar to Mike.
Speaker 2: Now that's not enough to form that opinion. I got
to play more. Yeah, I feel I can't feeling like
a little crazy, but uh, it's like, Okay, I thought
I was gonna be on the lower end for sure. Yeah,
I was doing the review. I didn't think you'd be
the only one below eight. That's that's crazy to me.
I think i'd be the only below eight, right, Yeah,
like the only one at a seven. Kind of just
on this island by myself. And that's fine. Like, you know, again,
I'm I'm happy. That's when people are loving the game.
A ninety three. That's like, I'm not saying it doesn't
deserve this. I'm just saying that we're talking about one
of the best games ever territory. If you have over
fifty reviews in the average is a ninety three, that's huge.
So I'm really curious once people start playing this game,
I like really feel realize I'm crazy and I miss here.
Speaker 1: I know you're not like the only one. Well, and
I know like Dan felt pretty similar. Jake Steinberg just
posted something where he's like, hey, yeah, I have a
dissenting opinion. I had the hard time finding the fun Now.
I don't think he scored his review, so it's just
not on here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I know who knows. I'm you know,
I'll be curious when it comes up tomorrow, see if
anybody has the issues I do talk about more.
Speaker 6: This slow motherfuckers, old slow motherfuckers can keep up with
the video game.
Speaker 2: Shake my hand and that's it. That's my issue. Yeah,
I'm slowly bad. Everyone knows this about me, and who
thinks that, uh except as fire har says, which one
of you two gets to date the green eminem? Was
there another? There's another girl? Eminem'? Trying to think if
I like that one more? Right, like the coffee eminem
or something?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 2: Yes, she's yeah, I like her. She seems like she
like likes me less oh tore right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she would step on you, for sure. They both
would step on you though. So yeah green but green,
Yeah yeah, stand office.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like a tomboyish eminem. I know a
lot about the personalities of these eminems. I like the
nervous one. Used to be the Crunch then like a
red crunch. It was Pretzel. He's like the pretzel eminem.
I like him? Yeah, yeah, Next up is The Great Goblin?
Is there any series you try to only buy on
one platform to meet Castlevania Mega Man just feel the
most comfortable on Nintendo platforms. There's certainly ones I associate,
like when Tony Hawk Eve when those are coming up
for everything. Even though even at a time when I
was buying most of my games on Xbox, I was like,
I think I need to play Tony Hawk on PlayStation.
I feel like that a bit with Final Fantasy as well,
but like you know, like FM Fantasy stuff starts getting
poorted to the switch and like the switcherson are just
as good as it's the Pixel remasters or something like,
I'll play it on there, but whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony I could be the one that might occur
to me, but that I've purchased in so many places,
so not even really that, so probably not.
Speaker 2: Next one here is Symbiosis is half If half Way
three happens, at least we can bet will be optimized
for Steam Deck level hardware. I mean it would have
to be, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would assume, so, I mean, I think it's
I think they were going to try to do it
with the launch of the Steam Machine. Who knows, but
I mean, and so maybe it's more optimized for that
than the Steam Deck, but I would still assume it
would run well in the Steam Deck.
Speaker 2: Next up is from Phil Oxford Tuna, who says I'm
days away from my second child I recall Grub saying
it's im possibly hard to play with two kids in
one but you were just joking, right.
Speaker 1: I mean it's relatively speaking, Like, with one kid, it's
extremely easy to play games. They're just a lump and
they just lay there and you could just like put
them right there, and then then you're like spending time
with them and they feel safe and secure and you're
doing your job, and then you could just use your
hands to play a game while they're sort of cradled
in your arms, and you could do that a lot,
like a lot, a lot. It's really easy to play
games with one kid. With two kids, all that's out
the window because it's just like you never know when
one's going to need one thing and the other kid's
going to need something. There's no way to sink that
stuff up, so it is much more difficult. You'll probably
still be able to find time, but yeah, it's it's
just not the way it is when you have one kid.
Speaker 2: Large Mario says, eight escape four Please are you making it? Yeah? Right, yeah,
it'd be nice, uh I hope, So thanks Large Mario.
We've been out, we've all been asking for that. How
many has there just be because there's I know it's
three numbered eight escapes. Three is the PS two one?
There there was probably a PSP one. I'm sure there
was a p I'm pretty sure there's a PSP one.
There wasn't an eight escape for I guess.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's that kind of thing where
you know, you get like that Spiral game is probably
gonna be spiral for right the toys for Bob's making,
like they'll just like forget all the one because they
like they can crash fo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure, yes that yeah,
they should just call it Spiral four. I mean I
kind of popped and I was like crash Bandicoot four,
Like hell yeah, I was begging Man nine when they
did that, School did Sonic four. They didn't ruined it
for a bit. We got yeah, Tony Oks Preskater five right,
oh god. Alex Uh says Indie Quests ended a moment
ago and the future of indie game seems bright. In particular,
the remake of the end of the greatest RPG of
all time was definitely eye catching. I have heard about this, yes,
me too. Is there like a demo for this or something?
Speaker 1: Or is this just people are kind of talking about,
like what they're seeing here the remake of the end
of the greatest RPG of all time? What like, is
this like one of the situations where when Tenacious D
did the the to the greatest song in the World
and it's obviously like Stairway to Heaven? Is this like
obviously like Chrono trigger or something.
Speaker 2: This game's out already, Like this game came out today? Yes,
oh wow, okay, yeah, it's cheap, soy that is today now,
So maybe I can check this thing out then and
speak to it soon. See what's going on here with that,
because yeah, I'm interested neat idea. Yeah, I'm getting in
it right now. Cool. The one freemancis speaking of James Bond.
I look nothing like my siblings, and my mother always
insisted that Pierce Brosnan is my biological father. Please give
Denise a huge shadowt Hello, Denise, Denise, You're sorry. This
guy looks like Pierce Brosnan. Apparently. I think he's doing fine.
Speaker 5: Then he's a piece of ship. That's what.
Speaker 2: He's like. He's a Hollywood actor from the nineties. It's
not nice.
Speaker 1: I saw him do an interview once where someone like
mentioned that he was from the same small like northern
British town or whatever, and he like cried, and I'm like, oh,
this guy seems sweet. So I'm going to defend Christian.
Speaker 2: I'm not believing you. He's also like very loyal to
like his wife, right and all that stuff. I don't know.
I'm on his side. You're not to hang out with him, Christian.
It's fine, right, we're canceling Christian. Now. Yeah, we're talking
about uh, eat your vegetas, says Thoughts. On Persona six
leaks Green Jeff Green. There's been that's funny, says Green.
Jeff makes you think of Jeff Green. I didn't see
these leaks. I hadn't heard anything. The fact that I
haven't heard anything this we think that these leaks aren't true,
But I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yep, they have been like broken containment, right, and they
should if they're just thin.
Speaker 2: Are they going to talk about Persona six before Persona
four revival even comes out? They barely have been talking
about that Persona six character designs or leaked. I mean
these eh, so this could be like design dogs stuff.
This stuff could be very easily faked. So I don't know.
It's hard to tell. Uh, these I mean they look
kind of like persona characters, that's for sure. And then
Banjo Kazooi sixty four says it's wad house. Sony escapes
blame for mismanaging Bungeee, Microsoft pooled this the Internet would burn.
Destiny is an absolute gold mine being completely wasted right now,
sending good vibes to all that would be fair for
a long time. They gave Bungee a lot of leeway, right, Yeah,
like that was the whole part of the deal.
Speaker 1: So they had a ton of leeway, and they were
going to be their own company and and Sony owned it,
not not PlayStation, so the games are going to go
out everywhere and a lot of that stuff's still true,
but not the management anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, my understanding was always that that Destiny or that
Bungee leadership was pretty messed up, like they were kind
of a real mess. And I think, you know, I'm
allegedly they really did a lot of work to make
themselves look as valuable as possible, when maybe that wasn't
as I don't want to be like they were defrauding anyone,
because I don't know if it's that, but they were
very good at making them presenting themselves in the best
light possible. And I think it became pretty clear pretty
pretty soon after all that that Sony was, you know,
sold a bill of goods like they were. They are like, Okay,
this thing is not going to just be the money
printing factory we thought it was. We're gonna have to
do some work here, and that at that point once
Sony started managing, which which did happen, absolutely that was
part of this. We can blame Sony as well, but
I think there is enough evidence here that the Bungee
leadership is sort of the true culprit early on and
through a huge part of this that this sort of position,
this take seems fair to me.
Speaker 2: Still interesting. Alrighty, and that's it for the super chats
right now. Thank you so much. Everyone. You still want
to send in a super chat, we will read it
before the end of the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks everybody. We appreciate it. All right, let's
see here. Let's go ahead and take another break. Now
it's time to come back and do our mount rushmore
of video game spies.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back, all right.
Speaker 1: Let's see here, Mike, We're gonna do a mount Rushmore
of video game spies. I've got the sheet right here
ready to go.
Speaker 2: In fact, let me get that like that, Oh that's
the wrong thing. All right, let's do this.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Mike mount Rushmore video game spies, no Goku correct?
Speaker 2: No, I think I don't know. I think you could
do maybe maybe this one you should allow a go
some go. That's kind of yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, we got to really say right up
top whether or not James Bond's got a chance because
kind of a very important video game spy.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, I mean, you talk about video game spies.
Maybe still the first one I am going to think of.
Speaker 1: Actually, uh okay, well I'm I'm gonna write him over
here for now, and then let's go with the non
gokus from here on out.
Speaker 2: And if there's other go kus that appeared that, you know,
we could.
Speaker 1: Discuss them, Like I'm gonna start with with Sam Fisher,
I right, yeah, yeah, that is very much a video
game spy. That's his whole deal. He sneaks through the shadows.
He like, yeah, it's a stealth game espionage stuff inspired
by I guess another spy game that we should probably mention. Uh,
but yeah, I'm putting Sam Fisher here first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Sam Fisher absolutely, Uh, he's got he's got
iconic green lights, the same ones, not like iconic headlights.
I don't know, I don't think.
Speaker 1: So they're and they're like, you know, it's night vision, right,
so they're very very spy coded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I like that about him a lot.
Uh you got anyone? Yeah, I guess I'll say Joanna
Dark right, yeah, yeah, absolutely, think of Yeah, that's a
cool character. We're not getting that new game. I think
that could have been pretty cool. But even every time
the like the like redesign monitors, she looks cool. Like,
you know, if that's three six games, say what you
will about it. I think Joanna Dark looks cool in that.
I thought her redesigned in that canceled game. Also, it's cool.
That's great in the original. Don't want to I still
do want to check out Perfect Dark finally again, uh
when I finished up Golden Eye here, But yeah, yeah,
Joanna Dark cool, cool name too, Joanna Dark neat yep.
Speaker 1: I definitely like the N sixty four to one best,
but she is she's finding the Perfect Dark zero or whatever.
Speaker 2: All right, The other one.
Speaker 1: Then solid Snake, who I know is wears a lot
of hats, but I would still count him as a
spy as Yes, but.
Speaker 2: I was wondering, like a spy or just like an infiltrator, like.
Speaker 1: If you're infiltrating in a sneaky way, that's that's spy work.
Speaker 2: It's adjacent. I do wonder if like his shaky ground
as like I don't know you told me, like what's
so with Snake? I don't know if spy is like
the word that's gonna come out, whereas you're like, you know,
who's what's you in the dark a spy? What's Yeah? No,
I I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I think that that is worth considering as we as
we like finalize this stuff.
Speaker 2: But I'm he's definitely up for consideration. Yeah, I think
you're right. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 6: Assassin spies because a lot of Asian forty seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, I was going to say Agri in
forty seven. I think he's he's spying on people constantly
if he.
Speaker 2: Infiltrates things constantly, wears the sguises, Yes, literally spies on people. Yeah,
it's works. Like again, it's like the first time to
think of is hit Man, right though it's a lot
of spy work involved in what he's up to, right.
Speaker 1: And it's uh, you know, I think you know, spy
is like a profession, right, and some of these people
that's not their number one profession. But I think we're
gonna have to open it up a little bit to
include people who do spying as part of their job.
Speaker 2: Age of forty seven. I was definitely someone I would
have mentioned.
Speaker 1: All right, Gabe Logan, do that again from siphon filtering?
Speaker 2: You know what Fox siphon filter what you me yore.
Speaker 7: Whatever, Yoker Games, I like gave Logan he's dumb.
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm mad that, like you just let
Christian take my turn this last week.
Speaker 1: I just thought you the way that you agreed sounded
like that was like, hey, sounds like you didn't.
Speaker 6: Have anything, Mike, I have another one eight one go
ahead for q man aa one.
Speaker 2: Oh god. The terrorists. I think she's more of a
terrorist than a spy in a way. All the like,
from a perspective, all of these characters are terrorists. She's
definitely a spy though, for sure. Yeah, that's pretty pretty
good pool. All right, A long there you all right? Mike?
You do you want to turn? You want two turns?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: I just want my one turn, I want to say.
Kate Archer from No One Lives Forever. Yeah, it's a
good one. Yeah, man, it's it's insane. We can't play
these games more easily, both of them, because I haven't
really played them. I really would like to. But god,
that's like the worst era of PC games to try
to get working more is the early two thousand ones,
right where you can't just depend on good old doss
box or something. But they're also just like not going
to automatically run on your computer. Be luck with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then I mean I write that continues to be
Night Dives number one game that they want to do.
Speaker 2: I think I think I just said that. It's just
like some a lot of confusion or difficulties around the
licensing of it, but really cool character design. Those games
in general just have like that really cool retro vibe
to them. Super neat stuff. Kate Archer.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I see Christian. I wonder if he's thinking
the same thing I am. Are thieves Spies. Christian said, Uh,
this one might be a bit too much. Like he
definitely does infiltrate and sneak around, and his name is
Sly Cooper.
Speaker 2: I don't think it counts as a spy. He's more
of a thief, right, He's definitely a thief. He is
a noble thief, noble ye, right, gentleman or whatever. I
just don't It's like right on the other side of
the line. I'm like, yo, he's doing a lot of
the things that these other characters are doing. It's not
spying though, yeah, not necessarily. So, Yeah, I think I
would not think of him as a spy. Yeah, what
is the what is the name of the character from
Spy Hunter? I don't think, Oh.
Speaker 1: God, the mister spy Hunter. Yeah, doctor spy Hunter. Yeah,
I'm I'm at the end of my list here. I
guess we could check the community real quickly.
Speaker 2: Did we put James Bond on that we did? Did
we did?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think yeah, that's right. Let's go see if the
community says, then all right, let's see. Oh that's a
good one. Oh my gosh, a miracle, says Rouge the
bat that's oh, is a spy huh. She's also maybe
an operative, like she might actually just work for this
Ye I am something right. Oh my god, that sounds familiar.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the government means nobody joys the Gormans in South America.
Speaker 5: She's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's really weird.
Speaker 4: I think she was her gun at some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's her gun. You were good.
Speaker 1: Tommy Pencil says, totally spies, totally party.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Uh.
Speaker 1: First ax Aventure says, is that Cade's Kate Smith. Cade
Smith sith.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know. I don't care about this fucking character. Wow,
that's rude. Everyone's like, all right, he hate Kay Smith. I'm like, okay,
now you have me doing it, Kate. I can't even
say they right. I was like this guy, I don't know.
He's fine. He's like I don't know, I don't know.
Spy is the word. He's definitely an infiltrator and he's
a deceiver for sure. I guess he's a spy. He's
kind of a double agent.
Speaker 1: Always been clothing and says uh and or of course. Uh,
but we're doing video game spies, uh and slaying Hey,
we're including including James Bond. We have to include Austin Powers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a shame. We we don't have an Austin Powers,
I said, uh during the launch look, it would be
incredible if IOI, like next game was just they got
the awesome Powers license and made Mike that's such a
good idea in the same exact engine as this new
James Bond game. Just made it exact game, except it's
just Austin Power. It's just softars. It's just funny now right, Like,
it'd be incredible. I would love that.
Speaker 1: Villain Max says, I guess the spy from Eye Toy
Operations spy be the ultimate secret agent.
Speaker 2: I think I'll say no to that one. Uh.
Speaker 1: Mitchie Pooh's got the spy Kid from Spy Kid been
Ben's Oop Eyes in six says uh.
Speaker 2: Paul Walker from Fast.
Speaker 1: And Furious, this is the one I want.
Speaker 2: Spy. Here's the one that I saw in Child's Like,
oh yeah, this this one for sure. Yes, the spy
from Team Fortress too. Yeah, yeah, fantastic uh quote design.
Uh you know, I liked his animated short a lot
at the time. Maybe my favorite one of those that
or the Sniper. The Sniper one was pretty funny, like
when he has like the stupid masco on if he's
on your team, so you still know what he's disguised
as good stuff. Helped me out here low anime.
Speaker 5: That slowly from spy family.
Speaker 6: I beloved, okay that you don't want people to hit
you for continuing evo.
Speaker 2: Janis just has a poster for the Patriot Act? Is
that a game? I don't know. No, I think it's
just a Patriot Act. Jeph what I wonder what you think? Yeah?
Would I be mad at Christian or or or our
community for putting so many just actual spies and spy
I will.
Speaker 1: Take a little bit of the philm I think this
is a Christian problem. Yes, I think this is I
to me, it was very natural to say video game
spies because I knew people were gonna so and Christians.
Speaker 2: I think Christian knows he should have known better. So, Christian,
can you believe Jeff's throwing you under the bus?
Speaker 6: I never Hey, when I'm rolling on, brother, you know
known that this motherfuckers wouldn't wouldn't like think and be like,
oh they're talking about video game in the video game podcast.
Speaker 3: So crucially they did think. They thought about exactly what
you wrote, Christian.
Speaker 1: What we could have done here is blame Mike for
not letting us do the hat. Remember, it's all comes
back to that.
Speaker 5: We thought about the hat and he was like, no,
we're not gonna do it.
Speaker 2: I said it was baby, we should do the video
spies and you both said, hey, yes, I don't recall.
I do not recollect any of that. Hey, let's just
do the had things that you guys did last week
when I wasn't here or whatever that was.
Speaker 1: That's written in stone. You cannot touch them. Screaming Madden
says QB spy from Madden.
Speaker 2: I see those Browns players there. Okay, yeah, he's trying
to win you over. Uh Jamie h Christmas Eve does say.
Kate Archer sees digital firefly says spy tech. What is that?
I don't know? Long ring down a little more. I
can't see it. Oh yeah, sorry, there you go. You
should able to see it. Now. This is like a
board game. Interesting, Oh this is the toy at the time.
I remember, Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: Input name here? Has this guy from one of the gears.
I've not played Revolver as a lot. Maybe A heard
of him.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he doesn't look like that when I
when I know him, Like you still never really played
Mogar Solid three.
Speaker 1: No, not really, no, I'm going to but yeah, I
played one and five. Fire Hair says gets enter the
Get Gos. He's dressed up like James Bond. There, that's true,
all right, all right down yeah right x.
Speaker 2: Big Tony says Spy Fox from the Cereal Oh, by
Fox in dry Cereal. Yes, by Fox. That's a good
cool Actually I like that. That's Spy Fox. Joy Z
has uh what is his name?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Christopher Lee who was just an actual spy and
has actually stabbed people.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that story of him, like being on the
set there, like are you gonna stab him? This person's
gonna scream. He's like, that's not what happens when someone
gets stabbed.
Speaker 2: He was getting stabbed, right, Yeah, I know exactly how
to react when I get stabbed. So oh fuck okay.
Speaker 1: Terioki Blue says Spy versus Spy and its just.
Speaker 2: Like me living a bubble. But I felt like that
Spy Versus Spy game for n E S was actually
a big deal. Lots of people had that game and
liked it.
Speaker 1: I think it was like it was up there as
one of the cousin games that like you would come across.
Speaker 2: That kind of fast. Jason is just like it's surprising
mainstream penetration again, although that's a that's a that's.
Speaker 1: Mad right right, it's a comic strip, right yeah yeah,
uh Ninten Derek does say solid snake, Matt says Kate
Archer g Nitra says mister Bean or no, wait, this
is the the other movie he did where he had.
Speaker 2: Right, god shit, Now, what's what's that one called? I
saw the first one back? Yeah, Johnny English, Yeah, I love.
Speaker 1: Mister Bean, though, mister Bean's great. Adam Asleep, says Joanna Dark.
What webOS says Barbie secret agent?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Samone samone nice, says Laura Croft when she's kind of
dressed up for spine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I don't I don't know if I
can never think of her as a spy. It's like
the eighth thing she's done.
Speaker 1: Right, Like Indiana Jones does some spine like in his adventures. Right,
he's not a spy, like that's not No, that's too far,
James pond from Jad and Camp.
Speaker 2: I mean, of course, I'm surprised it took this long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get him on there, dat boy, Jerry says,
Iron Bull, who is the goat?
Speaker 2: And that's from Dragon Dragon Age Man, I played Dragon
AH three. I remember Iron Bowl, I don't remember associate
him with spy work at all. And I bet this
is right, but I just don't remember man.
Speaker 1: Oh Man the cat, says Michael Thornton from Matt Rory's
Alpha Protocol.
Speaker 2: Oh right, took us off at the Alpha protocol. Damn,
I get this. I consider myself. I don't think I
could consider like I've played through this game. I gotta
be out of that are a weird thing with it?
Maybe I mean actual Alpha protocol played through, don't weird
we've played. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've played enough of it, but right,
I guess I wouldn't go around to saying that I've
played that much.
Speaker 2: Bully. I'm like, I played through Boy because me and
you're like, well, we were there the entire time we
passiccatrol around. The Alpha protocol thing was an interesting experiment, yes,
uh all right? And then the final one here from
Dan Reikert.
Speaker 1: He says, scud is that Scuddo the disposable assassin. God,
I never played this game and impressive scud Pool Dan
I have to say, geez, I haven't thought about Scud
in a long time. Deze uh man, I love this
cover art man that there was a time that the
games just looked like that.
Speaker 2: This is all right, it's kind of it's is it
right to call Scutt a vector man like? And it's
kind of a lot of things. There's a lot going
on with Scud.
Speaker 1: The disposable assassin to me suggests that like it's okay
if you die or something like that, or or maybe
he like breaks apart and can come back together.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I really have no frame of references.
It looks like the Neverhood guy, but don't think there's
a relation. Oh yeah, it does look like that on
the cover. At least is getting a goku. We are
allowing gokuzo in this one, but the no goku is
not is the no go coup rule is not universal?
Everybody right?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's where we call it out when we
need it. Okay, we do say video games spies, but
we're we're being clear here, Like James Bond is so
important video games, that's why we had to do it here.
Our shortlist James Bond, Sam Fisher Joanna Dark Solid Snake
Agent forty seven, Gabe Logan, Ada Wong the Terrorist, Kate Archer,
Rouge the Bat also kind of a terrorist spy from
Team Fortress too, Gex and Scud.
Speaker 2: Don't forget James Pond. Go a little bit, James Pond
five Fox, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Go a little bit up on the sheet, this a
little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yep, yep, I'll fix it now, I had
to do it. There we go, There we go. There
it is all right, okay.
Speaker 1: Uh, James Bond is gonna move over.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he gets on there, especially uh you
know gol and I so important, had that good run
in that game cub Era and now is another amazing
game out.
Speaker 1: I mean, and he kind of has more games than
just about anyone.
Speaker 2: Else on this list. Yeah yeah, yeah, for sure. Maybe
Rouge the batspinning just about as many at this point.
They're not for games, just as speaking rules. Yeah, okay,
what else are we doing here, Mike? Yeah, it's interesting.
I'm trying to think word desk. It's because there's there
are some that are like huge characters. I'm like, how
spyy are them? Dan? Let me ask you, Dan, because
you're in chat. Do you think of Solid Snake as
a spy. I'm curious what you Metal.
Speaker 1: Clear Eye would I would put Solid Snake on on
the Yeah.
Speaker 5: To me, he'd be doing spy and ship all the time.
Speaker 2: I know it's weird. I know he'd be doing spy ship,
but I'm like, just like, I don't know, I don't
have to think of him as a spy for something.
Speaker 6: He literally uses like a mask to pass us.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's like a spy for hire.
And yeah, I mean yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: That's the fact that he's not really in social situations
doing like you know, like James Bond tries to infiltrate
it by like smooth talking people in.
Speaker 2: The social deception and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's paramouse thinking of Yeah, and Snake just like
goes in and tries to take people out, you know,
and in the actual like warehouses and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So I think it is a little different.
Speaker 1: It's different, but yeah, I mean it is like right,
tactical espionage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's right. Yeah, go ahead, puts all
Snake in.
Speaker 6: There's a little more of a spy.
Speaker 5: But they both are.
Speaker 1: They both are, so, I I mean, to me, Sam
Fisher does go on here. He's like the next most
spy after James Bond. But there's a lot we do
have a lot of names over here, and Jill in
the Darkest one that does come to mind as well.
Uh to me, it's like it probably is just both
of those who we call it a day, But I'm
open to some of these other ones.
Speaker 2: There's three that I really like right now. It is
Sam Fisher joining a Dark and Spy from Team Fortress too.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, yeah, if that one does feel like
it probably should be on here. Okay, well, then let's
let's make it between Joanna Dark and Sam Fisher.
Speaker 2: Which one goes on? Like hmm, you know what, we
could just institute the no Goku's role and then we
can put both of them in and get rid of
James Bond. Sure do you feel good about that? I'm
fine with that. I mean, Joyna Dark use is kind
of let's just turn James Bond into an original video
game character. I think it's a woman now, you know. Yeah,
they would you do join a Dark and James Bond?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: God, I maybe not.
Speaker 1: And at this point when you said spy from Team
Fortress two, I would probably go Sam Fisher and spy
and leave Joanna Dark off if we're keeping James Bond.
Speaker 2: I think I'd rather have Joyna Dark than James Bond,
just because again, original video game character, all right, I wish,
I wish No One Lives Server was more popular so
I could put Kate Archer on there. But look, even
I had to admit I didn't know her name off
the top of my head. I had to google it.
I was like, what's the know on this forever girl? Okay?
Then spy from Team Fortress too, all.
Speaker 1: Right, so that means we would be leaving off James
Bond Agent forty seven, who I do think like, just
because so much more a hitman than a.
Speaker 2: Spy doesn't quite make it. Gabe Logan. Mike Noddy despises
Gabe Logans. We just can't come on that guy. Ada long.
Speaker 1: No Kate Archer for reasons, Mike said, Rouge the bat
gex skyt.
Speaker 2: James Ponds up Spy Fox. Yeah, we know what we
were doing there. Okay, so is this our mount rushmore? Mike?
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like part of look, leaving Adaf feels bad, ad
of not getting on Sean. I'm sorry, Wow, you know
you hated it as much.
Speaker 4: What are you hesitating on that? Because I thought she
was the obvious one you think she's.
Speaker 1: I mean, I look, she's very much a spy, but
I don't she doesn't rank with these other characters, like.
Speaker 2: She's like like a main character in her series, right,
She's just not Mount Rushmore Worthy.
Speaker 1: Like she's like, she's very emblematic of the concept, but
she's not emblematic like on a known level. I'm like,
I'm struggling to say what, like exactly what I'm trying
to get across here, But she's just not like standing
on her own enough Solid Stink Sam Fisher joying a
dark spy, like these are all characters that, like, yeah,
would just be on a Mount Rushmore to me.
Speaker 2: All right, Mike, we locking it in. I kind of
want to put James Bond in for Solid Snake, but
I don't know why. I don't know why. I'm still
even though like every argument I heard is right about
taking about Solid Sache being a spy.
Speaker 3: I don't know how in chat would you say that
Seal Team six as spies because that's what that's what
Solid Snake does. Yeah, I mean, like operative secret agent
is I don't know. There's words here that feel I
feel like Sawa Snake and the spies. You guys are
making a decision. I'm just offering input on what you
guys just said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right right. He is a COVID agent. I
gues I see that. That's a good point. I think
that he does. I think he's enough of a spot
that I would still include him. But I'm like, I'm
being swayed, like we could take him off for James Bond.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm kind of okay with it. I guess it's
just let me play it this way, Jeff, do you
want do you want to know Goku this or do
you want to allow Gokus in this? I think that's
the real thing.
Speaker 1: I kind of got back on the side of let's
allow Gokus. So I'm okay with James Bond being on there,
and it kind of feels like we should have James
Bond on here.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, wait, we have Cad Smith. Smith.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a quarterback, a backup quarterback for the
Arizona Cardinals. Oh you know Kate Smith. Yeah, I have
him my fantasy team. All right, let's get rid of
solids and they can put James Bond on there.
Speaker 2: Okay, just do it, just do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was like Mount Rushmore of secret agents.
Like then it's clearly the list that we have now,
and Solid Snake wouldn't be on there because Solid Snake
is not a same I guess that's maybe.
Speaker 2: My thing is that when I think spy, I am
thinking very much of the secret agent variety of spy. Yeah, yeah,
I think so. I'm think I'm thinking about the James
bond archetype a bit, right, and which all of these
feder exs have. Maybe Sam Fisher not, but still all right,
Now some people are saying, why are we doing Sam
Fisher instead of Solid Snake.
Speaker 1: Because Sam Fisher clearly is clearly a spy, like in
terms of like that all he's doing is trying to
get secret information for the government like that. Like I
get that, like Solid Solid Snake is very similar, but
I mean, no, it's Sam Fisher.
Speaker 2: I like it. I think we're good. Yeah, we're good
to reading the time the case. My listeners are now
confused because they might be YEA, let's see here there
you go, all right, go ahead and read that mic
The Mount Rushmore video game spies James Bond, Sam Fisher,
Joyana Dark and the Spy from t Fortress. Too well done.
All right, that is our list.
Speaker 1: We'll get this posted for everybody, or at least a
teaser posted on social media see get yell at me there.
Thank you everybody for your input. Good work, Mike. Let's
go ahead and take another break. When we come back,
we will talk about what we've been playing.
Speaker 2: Right after this. All right, we are back, Mike. I
want to know what you've been playing. Gosh. I quite
a bit of things. Two big new releases here with
Mina The Holler and James Bond Double seven First Light.
Which one would you like to talk about first? Jeff, Yeah,
let's talk about James Bond. Yeah, because I did a
launch of yesterday, which means I played through the first
four hours of that game, a really enjoyable first four hours.
Like the game is doing the origin story thing, which
is sometimes poison for pacing, especially in a video game,
but they kept it interesting and even when it became
a tutorial that was really fun. They kind of have
a training montage thing. People have been talking about this
and that's cool. It's like one of the few times
that video game gameplay has been edited like a movie,
right yep, So that that was actually a super fun sequence,
And then like shortly after that, you get thrown into
the levels that feel like hit Man right, where like, oh,
I'm just I'm in this club and there's all these
people and there's all these kind of different leads, like
you have like the one objective get to this place
that's like you know, VIP's only whatever, figure out how
you're gonna do that. There's multiple different ways you can't
accomplish that goal, So that was cool. Then like the
next like the next really big level, you're at this
like a giant this fancy hotel is a chess tournament,
and there's like kind of all these again objectives similar
to that, and it feels very hit manny. But then
that situation escalates to a point where suddenly it's a
bit more on charity and it's like, oh, now like
his guns are out and there's set pieces. So it's
just been a really enjoyable flow to the game so far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think they do a really good job
of being like we are going to take the parts
of Hitman Network and we're not going to like like
overdo it. It's not going to escape the boundaries of
what we're trying to accomplish here. So if you are
trying to be sneaky and sneak around and do stealth
as an option as you would in Hitman, and it breaks, well.
Speaker 2: The whole level is not going to fall apart.
Speaker 1: It's not going to like completely escalate to the point
where now you have to fight every guard in the building.
They're going to contain it and be like, you know,
the four or five guards that are nearest are all
going to confight you. You beat them up, and when
it's done, the situation is contained and you can kind
of walk away from it and continue doing your thing.
It's like, oh yeah, they are just very focused on
keeping the pace up, keeping things like light and breezy,
and then just make sure that you feel like you
are moving ahead and making progress and feeling cool while
you're doing it. I'm continue to just be impressed by
this game. I'm much later into the game at this point,
and uh yeah, I want to be playing it every night.
Speaker 2: It's unlike a hit Man when you get into these
like situations are like, oh, like, fight your way out
of it. The melee combat is very good and also like,
unless you're really overwhelmed, you can You're probably gonna be
able to take on those fights, beat people up, and
kind of contain that situation a way that maybe is like,
you know, it's almost like silly, what do you mean
this situation is contained? But it's a it's a James
Bond video game. Of course, you beat up the bad guys.
It's contained, keep right, and then you walk.
Speaker 1: Out of the hallway and leave five bodies behind and whatever,
Like it's not that big a deal.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's it's really well done.
Speaker 1: It just kind of in terms of every choice they make,
it feels like the one to keep the pace up
and keep the action moving and making you feeling feeling cool.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm kind of uh.
Speaker 1: I think like the driving sequences like they feel good enough,
and they uh think, you know, maybe they're not as
good as like the big driving set pieces for like
an Uncharted four, but they're not that far off. They're
like they're definitely are imitating that in a way where
it's like, oh, I didn't know that they were going
to be able to pull that off. I thought that
they would try to like just make they would sort
of slap something in there because you have to have
driving and chases in a James Bond game. But it's like,
oh no, they kind of just made all of this
work and it's it's kind of that's maybe the most
impressive thing is every new thing that they are trying
that wasn't in hit Man is pretty fun. And then
all the hit Man stuff gets improved or sort of
shaved down to its component parts to make sure it's
the funnest way possible. And you mentioned that combat. The
combat's really good, like in terms of just feeling like
you're making big, impactful hits in the Yeah. That was
one thing about hit Man is it had an incredible
environmental physics, like like if you ever ran the sort
of performance tool for Hitman three, they would they would
kind of be like, hey, we're gonna have bullets hit,
like all these bookshelves and things were just going to
be exploding everywhere. And you never saw that because the
way you play Hitman is you never want to be
in that situation where all hell is breaking loose. They
did a great job sort of modeling all that stuff,
and now in this game they can let that stuff
really shine and like that bathroom fight sequence I watched
you play last night where it's like, oh, the urinals
are exploding and the physics pieces are just kind of
spraying all across the floor in a really realistic and
satisfying way. It's like, yeah, they have these tools and
sort of turn them all up and tune them to
be the best versions of themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Just a really good video game. Yeah, and I
really like these versions of these characters, right, Like, you know,
this is a good James Bond. He's young and a
bit brash, but still very likable. I really like Q
and the whole Q Lab. Really just like to be
in there, see everybody working on these ridiculous gadgets. We
have a great money penny, and you know, some other
more original characters. So it's just been a likable test
so far. You know, the story has been like intriguing
in the way that you want a spy thriller to be. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also like seeing the occasional like oh, that's just
a famous person or famous act we're in here, and
like that's a lot of stuff you would see in
Hitman and their uh, there are missions that they would
add n SDL see and say, oh, Yeah, they know
how to do that stuff too, and they're really making
it work.
Speaker 2: Now. I'm wondering how many quote unquote famous people have
I been confronted with that I just don't recognize. And
they were.
Speaker 1: Famous, Yeah, you know soul Jack sept the guy and
I was like, oh, yeah, then Mike just walk past him.
Speaker 2: Yeah what's that? Yeah, he's a YouTuber.
Speaker 1: He's the one that is He's the one that's going
to make the blood Born animated movie.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I did have heard that name. Okay, that guy? Okay, wait,
who is he? He was?
Speaker 1: He was at the coach check in the in the
the the club when you had to go talk to me, Yes,
just cam and you went to go talk to the
coach check guy and he gave you like one like
a key or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the guy who stamped me or someone else?
Yeah I think maybe, yeah, maybe the guy who stamped
he's the stamper. Okay, just a stamper, yes, exactly, all right?
And what else were you playing? Mina Mina the Hollow
or reviewed this one, played through it, mest around the
new game plus even and you know, I did enjoy
the game, I get but I and I had a
lot of frustrations with it and kind of qualms I suppose,
and uh, just these kind of moments where the combat
wants me to do like blood Borne Dark Souls things
with a Lynx Awakening move set, you know, and sometimes
that just never really felt amazing, feel stiff to me.
As I'm playing Mike.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty early on still, but I definitely have been like, oh,
I wonder what they're gonna do to sort of open
this up so I can feel more confident. Now I'm
like worried, like, oh, they probably just won't, right, I mean,
you get upgrades and you up I'm sure you do things.
Oh yeah, but I mean I thought about that. That
four way movement.
Speaker 2: Is yeah, yeah, it's probably movement. You know, enemies are
very aggressive. You don't have a dodge roll. You have
to jump in the burrow, but you know, when you're jumping,
a lot of texts still hit you. And also you
jump and then burrow. So it's not just reacting, it's
sometimes anticipating or really learning those move sets where you're like,
you know, you know, like the frame and then the enemies.
Speaker 5: Are very deliberate with their moves.
Speaker 6: They they swing real, like they anticipate their their attacks
real well, not gonna, I'm gonna.
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying, oh it was killing's like a joke
I was joking in child, but it is.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think I think you will start bubbing with the
game once you get like the timing better, like you know.
Speaker 1: But I think that what I'm what I'm hearing from
Mike is what I'm feeling, which is, yeah, no, I'll
learn this timing. But I just don't know if that
is super if that feels great to me.
Speaker 2: It's not like just like like earlier on the game,
there was a lot of flying enemies and it's like,
all right, now I gotta jump in attack, and because
I have this, because I have the whip weapon, it
takes a bit to go out. By the time my
whip even extends, the flying enemy has flown somewhere else.
I feel like I'm just kind of jumping around swinging
my whip like an idiot at moments, like.
Speaker 6: I jump and attack at the same time, and the
whip like goes up with you.
Speaker 5: That's what I did with the flying.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, and then and I don't know, just
like getting early on, the enemies just seem so tough.
And again, I think people know I don't mind hard games.
I like card games a lot, but enemies were so
beaty the point where I was like, I don't I
don't think I'm in the right place. I don't think
I'm supposed to be in this location yet, so I
would like spend time. I spent a lot of time
grinding in this game, more than I more than I
did in even a Dark Soul, just so I kind
of felt like I was at the place where I
felt like I was doing the damage I should be doing,
even against bosses, instead of like learning the dance, which
is normally a process I enjoyed doing. I just kind
of found builds where I can kind of just tank
a lot of damage and sort of stand my ground
and attack really quickly and sort of brute force bosses.
So there's a lot of I was getting a lot
of bosses done in one try. And it was with
this kind of brute force bill what I suppose i'll
call it. You can make a lot of bills in
the game that it is cool to me. It was
a bit of a bumber that the effective one was
that and really. It was affecting until the final boss,
which was definitely my favorite boss in that one. I
was definitely I know, the dance was making a bit
more sense for me at that point. But yeah, I
mean there is a lot to like. The game does
look great. Yacht Club is fantastic with those retro style visuals,
for sure, and the sound also very good. And anybody's
played Show Knight knows how good they are with that
kind of eight bit style music, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
great character signs. I don't know how much I love
like the flow of the world, which is not against
not Zelda. It's not really overworld. It's kind of a
connected world where more you have like the hub town
and from it jet the kind of six main zones
or so that you're going to, and each zone is
really the level, and it's rote to like a linear
process of going from the start of a zone to
an endi zone with a lot of side pass and
kind of hidden things there and there. That that's fine enough, right,
but even then something's like, well, how where does this
don't even start? How do I get to it? The
game doesn't really have an in game map system, which
I'm not sure what that would have hurt necessarily, just
to kind of hope and grind yourself a bit better,
especially that first half where it's a bit overwhelming and
half that's okay. But yeah, I guess, you know, even
when it is, you know, sometimes it does all sing
and it all feels really good, especially because of that
burrowing mechanic and the platfor right, that's the best aspect
of the game is all the platforming that you do.
And it's funny because like you never think about platforming,
and those top down Zelda games really only a few
of them even had a jump button, but here the
way you jump into the ground burrow and you jump
out of it, and then they have some fun twists
on that, like the world where there's ice, you kind
of burrow under the ice but not through it, so
you get to be pretty deliberate. There's levels where there's
wind or bouncy pads, things like that. But I was
enjoying the platforming challenge of it quite a bit. I
guess it's the combat kind of the enemy encounters and
the world design maybe not quite so much. Yep, I'm
gonna play more of it.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of other games to play while
I was kind of letting you handle that review. So
it's like, okay, I'll get around to it. But I
don't know, like I'm early on. I'm just like, yeah,
this is pretty good, but I there's other things I'd
rather be playing. I think I need to push through
and try to see more of it. Hopefully I get
to a point where I love it the way it
seems to everyone else does.
Speaker 2: So yeah, literally everyone right, Yeah, I know, very yeah,
I'm very curious when when more people I mean you,
because there was a demo and honestly, like when you
are that lowest score, you know, like, oh boy, this
is gonna be a rough day for me. And I
joked about it, honestly, No, I one't really was upset. Honestly,
you've got more flak because it's get We gave it
a half star still from some I don't know, we
kind of legacy giant on for a while when they
were mad about that, I thought they were joking. Some
people actually get are upset about that apparently, which I'm like, look, guys,
I don't know what to tell you. I think it's
it's it's worse than a four and better than a three.
So what am I gonna do? Right, What am I
gonna do about that? Yeah? So but no, again, we
don't work for IgA. People are some still have more
upset about IGN for giving it a ten, because now
that's the narrative. First of we were in Magus, IG
was giving games that they like low score. Now they're
giving too many games ten. Apparently, if I worked at IGN,
I think I would have ripped my ears out long again. Yeah,
I just would never like, yeah, I would never look
at the internet because it's just where ripped my ears
out of frustration. Goallege's the eyeballs out, So I can't
acidentally look at any kind of screen ever again. But
I mean, you know, there's been demos this game, and
I kind of avoided the demos it's my first time
playing it. But you know, I've had people say they
kind of agree with what I'm saying just based off
what they played from a demo version of the game.
So yeah, you know, I think a lot of people
are certainly going to agree with those majority of the
reviews and love it. But just kind of like with
a Soilk song, where you know, for me and a
lot of other reviewers, that's one of the greatest games
of all time. But you hear constantly from people that
just don't jive with it, And you know, I didn't
drive with this one a whole time. It's a bummer
to me. I was, I was looking forward to it.
It seemed like something that would be my kind of game.
Just it just ended up not being.
Speaker 1: So the game is out tomorrow on on Steam and
I guess all the other platforms as well, right, Yeah,
I think it's coming out to everything. So yeah, out
tomorrow for everything. Uh, we talked about that, We talked
about Double O seven, First Light, any other games, Mike.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I've been working through Sports of
Horizons still and having a really good time, getting pretty
close to Quaal, you know, getting that gold wrist band,
which I think is kind of the end so and
so of the campaign, or at least of seeing credits
in that game, which is something I want to do.
But yeah, just been absolutely loving that one still. It's
an amazing time. Yes, and punishments in the punishment really good.
Maybe I'll try to finish that up and talk more
about it on ten Dogs hell Hell, yeah, looking forward
to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've mostly been James Bond that's what I've been playing,
so nothing else from me. Were you gonna say something?
Speaker 6: Christian oh ingried came out three, five or six. She's
fun more than more than that. I could get a
little bit technical about her. She's a sowner with a
sad sat play. So she can like like knock you
down and like throw a fireball and shomp from one
side to the other.
Speaker 5: Like that's the mix. That's that's the thing that she does.
The thing I kind of me. She's one of these characters.
Speaker 2: She has a down.
Speaker 6: She has a crouching medium kick into drive rush, which
is like the entire like the entire original roster is
that except for some in some of the oldc characters
she has this. So it turns out it turns the
game into like when you when you're in neutral, when
you're like pressing buttons, walking back is super strong because
you create if you create space against this character, it's
really hard because they issues the crouching median kick into
the driver rush where they cancel the thing and they
should like and you should just kill you.
Speaker 5: They'll kill you.
Speaker 6: So it kind of it gets by really annoying to me.
So it's it has that problem, but all that issues
really fun character. Really, it looks awesome. She's I thought
we're I was saying this.
Speaker 5: During the I was playing early to the extreaming and
it's like, I thought, we're fighting this. This is a
fighting game. It's called street Fighter, but this this girl,
she's shooting lasers.
Speaker 6: The super is like she turns into a giant and
then like compress you into a I got the black
hole and blows you up.
Speaker 2: It's like, what the hell is going on in this
video game anymore?
Speaker 5: It's crazy. So yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: So present her presentation the game is really fun. Like
that's the fun part about Ingri is that they made her.
They took her from me a throwaway character in the
two thousands, so now she's the god of the street
Fighter universe and she's all powerful. So she constantly breaks
the fourth wall, kind of like Deadpool and Marvel Through.
Speaker 2: Okay, like in her in her.
Speaker 3: Arcade mode, like her cut scenes, anytimes she cracks a joke,
it has a laugh track, or like when you lose
in Arcade mode, when you hit continue, she grabs the
continued sign and tosses it aside and says, okay, let's
go oh okay, yeah, they pull an effort into this.
It's really cool when you're a k for a little bit.
She looks at the camera and say, like press the
bottom so I couldn't move with this that type of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, pretty Yeah, how do you how do you feel
about uh for being like the last character to become
part of world tour? He was like, they're kind of
wind out. That makes sense to me, Yeah, I mean
I like that ship.
Speaker 5: It's so boring. I don't give why people I don't
get why.
Speaker 6: I do get why they think that's the biggest I
get what cat Con likes it because it is part
of the single player and like they want more like
people to play the game in the single player mode,
so like the more they have content for that, they're
more they're going to sell.
Speaker 5: The game for those people.
Speaker 6: But I really don't don't care about that, or like
they keep they keep releasing like clothing and schemes for
the avatars and stuff, like why what do they make
skins for the characters that everybody else plays?
Speaker 2: But yeah, we do, we do all thin. Season three
is getting or season or whatever the next season is
getting announced that SGF right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so yes, yeah, way, But also, like
I was watching Max's stream last night, I think he
brought something interesting of like maybe the break with the
world to our most because they're going to do a
break in how they do character for next you know,
two seasons or whatever the game might get what if
What if it's because they are doing like a super
straight fire sex and they're just changing the way something's
made that gets announced. I think that's a possibility too.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
Speaker 6: I was thinking like next one because like I don't
know if it's too fast, like the game is just
too perfect for them to break it, you know, to
like make a new a new version for like for
their vision of what the game is. The game is perfect.
That's why every patch every year, like nothing can change.
It's like the same like in past, in past fighting,
like in three five to five, like the year the
year where the last DLC character drop, and like or
the new DLC like season drop. It was like a
huge deal because like the game changes a lot, like
the characters change a lot, Like even some characters like
get new moves and stuff. This game hasn't happened, like
it never happened, So I don't know it's too the
game is just too good and it's doing too well
for them to like do a new live version of it.
But he could totally be done for sure.
Speaker 7: M hmm.
Speaker 1: All right, well, uh, well, look forward to see what
it gets announced, Mike, let's do some super chats.
Speaker 2: Yes, uh, Boffam says, tips for reheating fried chicken. I
assume this is why you're talking about the air fryer
during the break, So there you go. It's their fright
the thing. I you know what my tip is, don't
reheat it. I think cold fried chicken is delicious, but
I agree for everyone. There's a lot of things I'll
just eat cold from the fridge. I don't bother reheating,
and I like it find that way a bit and
think it weird some people out.
Speaker 5: You know what, Pizza, I like it cold, either cool
or like scorchy hot. I don't want none of that. Yeah,
that's not that's not.
Speaker 2: Ferguson says, Jeff, I know you hate episode nine rightfully,
but are you an Episode eight defender like me? Also?
I'm like II Fergson, No, he hates episode eight. He
he really hates its emphasis on woke women is what
he keeps screaming about I Believe.
Speaker 5: Eight Episode eight.
Speaker 6: I didn't like episode eight, and then Chef talked me
into it.
Speaker 5: It was like, actually, you're right, he's a really good movie.
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, I love I love episode for me, like
it did the thing that I was kind of asking
from Star Wars, which is, uh, hey, Luke's family kind
of seems like a problem. Maybe he should feel bad
about that and like be then deal with that and
confront it and uh and yeah he does and uh
and then he does a cool thing. He pulls himself
through the galaxy so hard he kills himself. It's yeah,
it's a it's a great movie.
Speaker 2: It's awesome. It gets better every time I watch it.
Let's see her now. JD campses, you need to add
Bill Belichick to the list. I can't remember what list.
I assume it's a bad list, the spy list, right,
because he is Spygate. Yeah, oh yeah, I got it.
That's funny. Jedi mass how many giant bombs will uh
for four take? How many gigabytes? God, I'm fucked up?
How many gigabytes will Modern War four take? On the
switch to all two hundred and fifty six gigabytes. Yeah,
somehow they announced the Dude calld today. We kind of forgot.
I mean we knew it was coming.
Speaker 1: It's modern war for four, it's coming to switch to
it's not gonna be in the last Yen consoles, and
they're dropping war Zone from the last gen consoles as well.
Speaker 2: Oops, that is that stylized for inde indicative of something
on that lego? You think? I don't care Korean? Yes,
it does take place in the Korean Yes, okay, So
did you guys not watch that trailer?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I put it on kind of in the background while
I was getting ready for stuff this morning.
Speaker 3: Oh exiing right for that story, Like, all you need
to know is like two things. One And there's a
scene early on where I believe US troops walk into
a convenience store while of the guys looks up at
the screen and sees a guy in a uniform standing
at podium.
Speaker 4: He says, is that a J pop star?
Speaker 3: And the presumably Korean guy is unit says no, that's
the next Supreme Leader, and the white guy says, oh wow,
he looks even younger than I do. And I'm like,
oh no, no, no exciting, And then at the end,
Captain Price and Ghosts have a knife fight where yeah,
Ghosts says you've broken two many rules and uh, Price says,
at the time for rules is over or something like that.
Speaker 4: I'm like, wait, do you mean you mean war crimes?
War crimes?
Speaker 5: In my head, they're always kissing and they're bare naked.
Speaker 2: I mean they could still do that at the end
of the knife fight. Come on, man, that is not
But the.
Speaker 3: Point is I think this story might be handling some
sensitive topics, not as sensitively as they've been.
Speaker 6: With so sensitive they will never change down like an asshole, Like, okay,
I'm handling it gently, but yeah, they always Okay.
Speaker 3: I'm worried that this one's gonna suck even more, like
really cross the moderns.
Speaker 2: So reboot Modern Warfare has made it to four, but
there was only three of the original Modern Warfare series, right,
it's not confusing at all, this.
Speaker 5: Sequel to the old Mother Warfare. Yeah, that has nothing
to do with the remakes. It will be pretty funny.
Speaker 2: Them. Zuba Mafu says, Mike, have you played the best goal?
And I sequel Timesplitters two? No, I really disliked Timesplaitters
one back when it came out. So I never tried
two or the third one. Yeah, I should. I know
people really like them, and I bet I would enjoy them.
I think I have them on GameCube at some point
I'll get to them. Uh X process Tactical Espionage Action. Yeah, yeah,
that's true. That's true. I recognize Zombie Port says can't
wait for this. You have couches, especially as Mike agreed
to play Donkey Con sixty four and Picture and Picture
during both segments. He bo Yeah, yeah, we exciting stuff
there you go. Hey, did you see they announced the
Dragon Quest twelve restarted development? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Have I talked to you about that? Mike? Uh, I
don't think so. How are you feeling about that? May
characters on me? We talked about it on the talk
over of the talkover right right, Yes, okay, that's right.
Speaker 1: I completely forgot that we had the conversation during that,
but like, I don't know, it was still like restarting
the development like that is.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm also not super surprised necessarily it
was so radio sound for so long. Sure, I know
some people are like maybe excited about the fact that,
like we're gonna make it darker and maybe change the combat.
I'm in the camp of, eh, there's one series that
maybe should stick to traditions a bit and can have
all the spinoffs at once, for sure, But like we're
gonna call something dragon Quest twelve I think should maybe
look and play like a dragon Quest game a lot.
So I'm kind of happy with them rebooting it.
Speaker 4: Fine.
Speaker 2: I know it's going to be a longer wait. Like
I see a lot of the drag Quiest fans are
mostly upset because it's like, oh, this is gonna be
forever forever and already took so long. I'm like, yeah,
I know, but yeah, I'm dying. I think this is
probably better than the alternative.
Speaker 1: I don't think they were going to go in the
right direction with the darker I think people whatever else
they were to do, the comp yeah, I think it
was it was the wrong choice. It probably seemed like
a right choice at one point. Even then it was
probably I think they could have asked me, and I've
been like, guys, I don't play these games very often.
Speaker 2: No, this is wrong.
Speaker 1: Just stick to what you do and do that better
than ever. That's what people really want. But that's what
they're doing now, I.
Speaker 5: Just care, are just scared it's gonna happen?
Speaker 6: The same with like you know, Final Fantasy kind of
it's weird, now, are you scared of that is gonna be?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just you know, I think I think
they would have done the experiment and it may be
like the best causing I was like a fomp for sixteen,
a game that, like some people like, it didn't reach
the massive new audience like they hoped it would. It
clearly isn't the path forward for this series. So you know,
it's just kind of this one diversion. I suppose then
we're gonna have to go back to figuring out what
the series is again. There's a dragon Quest. It's like,
I think you guys know what this series is, and
I think people are generally fine with that, and you're
not gonna. I don't think you're ever going to somehow
expand the audience or dragon Quest by changing its DNA
a lot. Maybe you're gonna you can like promote it
better people who do enjoy these games. We know there's
an audience for him, but you can't make dragon Quest
change for somebody else. Yep, I think there's another super
chat Mike, uh these pitches love Sosa highly recommend the
Pablo Tori Harambe episode. Yeah, I love Pablo Tori, a
great sports reporter.
Speaker 1: He's got a really excellent podcast now that kind of
branches out into politics and popular culture.
Speaker 2: I've heard good things about this episode. I guess he did.
He do original.
Speaker 1: Reporting and got like new facts about Harambe. I think
that's what I heard. And I was like, is this
a joke?
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like it so weird. Okay, Harambe Lord
just dropped. Okay, we've got new Harambe. Everybody. All right,
let's start wrapping up. Mike. I wish you should tell
people where to find you what we got there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hey, the last episode of Portal Pals is out everybody,
and Giant on Premium, as is now our finale of
Mary met mcdonci. So a couple of those premium series
have come to come to a conclusion, which means you
can now watch all of them if you've missed them.
And we also have the Endurance run going on right
now that's available to everybody, although premium members are getting
a week early peek at that one. But yeah, just
you know, get ready to watch us at SGF next week.
Speaker 1: Everyone, Yep, looking forward to it. You know, we're always
covering stuff over there at Giant Bomb. We'll keep talking
about new games over here. We will have Last So
Than Ten Dogs on Tuesday, and then the next day
we're all Then Mike and Sean are all leaving for
LA the next day we'll be We'll tell you guys
what's going on when we're there. We'll kind of have
updates in various places social media.
Speaker 2: Check in on that.
Speaker 1: But uh, if you want to hang out with us
for the talkovers and like watch that stuff, like we'll
be doing the Day to Play on Tuesday, we'll be
doing SGF like the Jeff Keeleyes thing. On Friday, We'll
be doing the Xbox talkover on Sunday, and then we'll
figure out a way to do if Nintendo has a
direct that following week, we'll find a way to do that.
Although there's a chance some of us will be traveling,
so it might be a reduced staff and maybe maybe
I'll have a picture and picture of some other people
that won't actually be talking. We'll just we'll do it
in a way that is good for your ears and enjoyment.
But yeah, all that's gonna be happening. I'm looking forward
to it a great deal now. I think there's gotta
be some awesome games announced. I think that, like, for
as much as this is a grim era for this industry,
in a lot of ways, the people making the games
seem like they know what they're doing, and I'm looking
forward to to playing a bunch of them and seeing
them all at at SGF.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, still plenty of good games out there.
You know that part hasn't been entirely ruined yet. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll give them time, I guess. Oh yeah, catch
up on our Bully Endurance run over there, Jive Bomb
as well. Buddy, it's been great, all right, catch you
next time.
Speaker 2: Bye bye. I think I'm gonna play Make Warrior five. Okay,
let me get a hotel. Yeah, okay, I would have
shot the clown. I stand by that. Yeah, I need
to skeet kind of too.