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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist

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and David Arsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just

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as a reminder, if you'd like to contact the show,

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please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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We'd love to hear from you. Molly, Tomor's Thanksgiving excited.

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Speaker 2: Sure, I'm home alone working while my family is off

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visiting grandparents. But other than that, yes, actually you're my wife.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, going have some.

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Speaker 2: Really good friends who sent me a smoked turkey from Texas.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm going to have turkey hello but delicious. Yeah,

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it's nice to spend some alone time Sometimes doesn't mean

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you don't love your family.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I missed them, but I have gotten

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so much work done. It's i No one tells you

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that teenagers take as much time as infants.

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Speaker 1: It's a different kind of time. It's more stressful time

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in a way, but it definitely is time.

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Speaker 2: It's just the weird like just at the exact wrong

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moment coming in and being like, Mom, I have an

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existential crisis that I need you to talk me through.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, now you have some alone time to get

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some work done, so it's nice. Let's jump into something here.

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Let's talk about the Democratic Party. Did you see that

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video of Kamala Harris. She seemed to me like she

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wasn't okay, I don't, you know, I don't. I'm not

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going to do a psychological evaluation. Maybe she was maybe

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a little tipsy in this video where she's telling people

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to hold onto their power, telling them that despite losing

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the election, they they should not give up their power. Power, power, power.

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It didn't make much sense to me. What do you

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make of it?

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Speaker 2: I don't, No, I don't. What is confusing to me

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is that a whole team of people would have been

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involved in getting that out the door, so she's one

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of them, and she doesn't look good in it, but

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it doesn't make the Democrat Party look good. And there

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was someone videotaping, someone writing it, someone pushing you know,

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send at it. No point did anyone think this is

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not the best thing to be putting out while there

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are still two months left in this presidency. I mean,

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speaking of power, Kamala Harris is the sitting Vice president,

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and her run for office. She kept saying that in

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the future should she be elected president, then she would

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do things that she right at this moment could greatly

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influence the doing of and she just seems to not

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understand the power she has right now as vice president,

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or if people were looking for answers, they might be

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looking for answers about who's running the foreign policy of

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the administration right now, or who made this bad decision

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or that bad decision. So for her to just crop

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up after her Hawaiian vacation, which totally, I mean, you

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run a campaign and lose, you get to go away

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for a little bit. But it just was weird. I

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did see someone photoshop a bottle of Jamison's into her

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hand because she's kind of gripped. She kind of got

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like a grip in the video, and so they put

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a bottle of Jamison's in there. And it really did

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make more sense if she were in a dorm room

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late at night talking about girl. Just because you got

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your you know, just because you got dump don't mean

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you don't have power. Girl. You're still beautiful.

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Speaker 1: You're fine. Unrelated but related. James Carville was speaking I

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saw the other day, and he said he blamed I

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think this is I don't think this is true, but

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it's interesting he blamed twenty three year old progressive campaign

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workers for her loss. Now, in the end, she's making decisions,

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so it doesn't you know, just because you have a

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twenty three year old telling you not to go on

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Joe Rogan doesn't mean that you shouldn't go on Joe.

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In the end, it's her fault. But it is interesting.

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Do you think twenty three year olds are holding the

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camera here for her? Do you think twenty three year

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old aggressives think that being this kind of, you know,

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having this kind of emotional outburst basically on video is

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a good idea? Or is it just that she's terrible

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in that or books? You know, what is it?

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Speaker 2: I think that's actually great question. And I remember seeing

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that picture of Kamala's digital social media team and they were,

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in fact, all twenty three year old women, and the

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campaign made a lot more sense that way. I get

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a little annoyed by James Carville's shtick, but I did

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see that and I enjoyed it. One of the things

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I love that he said is that if a twenty

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three year old came and said, you can't do Joe

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Rogan because our campaign has to have progressive values and

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that is not in alignment with it. He said, I

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would have fired that person, and then I would have

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found out who hired that person, and I would fire

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that person as well. And I thought, this is exactly

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what you need to do to get rid of the idiocy.

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There is a problem that we all have of thinking

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we're more important or that our experience is universal, and

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there are some it's not my experience. Actually, with the

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young people I have worked with, they all tend to

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be very capable, hardworking, totally aware that they are not

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the center of the universe. But there is that problem

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with some of those people that age, and they need

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to be dealt with seriously. It's actually a gift you

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give them to explain to them how the world works.

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And that was not happening on the.

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Speaker 1: Comment the ego centris like. So, for instance, I realized,

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if I was helping run a campaign, that my opinions

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are not the opinions of most Americans or how I

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view the world and how I experience the world. That

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is not the way that a person in Ohio and

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in Pennsylvania does. But it seems like these progressives can't

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grapple like they can't grapple with that. They just want

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people to think like them, and they think if they

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continue to just shame them or accuse them of being

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phobic of this or that, that it's going to work,

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and it doesn't. There's another interview. I couldn't find it

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right now, but carbon I think he was on CNN

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and he had said something like the problem is that

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too many women are running these campaigns or something like that,

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and I forgot which who on CNN was like, you

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still stand by that? That's terrible? You know, He's like, yeah,

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I actually do you know? And obviously you know you

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want to appeal to women. Not that, by the way,

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just because you're women immediately you know what all women think,

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it's kind of dumb. But maybe you know you need

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some men in there too to give you some advice

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on how to reach men who went pretty significantly towards Trump.

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And I don't think Tim Walls was the answer there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, one of the things when we started the

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Federalist was being aware that a majority of voters or women,

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and yet you looked at all of the general interest

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like cultural political publications, and they were overwhelmingly written and

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edited by men. And we love men. And that's one

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of our mantras at the Federalists about standing at thwart history,

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saying men and women are different. But we were not

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as hostile to having women writers, including What that meant

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was that a lot of women, a lot of women

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are not well represented even by the women in media,

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because the women in media work in DC or New York.

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They're either not married or they have very few children.

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They're really into working full time, and that's not most

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women's desire or experience. And so we made it so

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that we could get a lot of pieces written by

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women who might write, you know, once a week or

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once a month, and have really valuable things to say,

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but they don't want it to be their full time

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life and that they have to live in DC or

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New York. So one of the things that I find

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interesting is that I never agreed with a lot of

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people on the right about a lot of stuff. I mean,

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now is kind of my moment, but for much of

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my adult life I didn't agree with people on major issues,

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and so it didn't occur to me to have a

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lack of friendship with people because I didn't share their viewpoints.

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And so my point being that it's not just on

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the left that you see this, you know, twenty three

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year olds thinking that they know everything about how to

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run a campaign. You also see it on the right,

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where people have found themselves unable to deal with a

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political moment where they're not in charge. That's the story

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of my life is dealing with a political moment where

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my views are not holding sway. It's the entire story

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of your life, right.

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Speaker 1: Most of it, especially now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like that's just the way life is. And

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you don't lose your mind over it, right, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't lose my mind over it. But I do feel

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like I'm going to lose friends over it. I mean,

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or I wouldn't say friends, like a friendship of someone

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I know very well, like yourself. But I mean, I

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think there are people out there who I have sort

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of you know, you know, a relationship within the sense

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of place stuff where it's going to be hard for

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them to deal with someone who disagrees with them all

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the time. People do take that stuff personally, you don't

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think so.

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Speaker 2: No, I do. And that's my point. When I was

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first in DC, and this was like definitely the Bush

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era of foreign policy, and I didn't agree with it.

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People would very politely listen to my views about nation

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building or interventionist wars or a foreign policy that should

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have national interest prioritized, and they would sort of pat

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me on the head and say, oh, that's sweet, but here,

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now we're going to go bomb Libya or whatever. And

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once that power dynamic changed, I still felt like, oh,

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these are people I can talk to. We just disagree,

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and they felt more like I hate you and I

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hate everything about you, and they were very hostile. So

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they should have more humility too, like we all should

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have humility about how our views are not universally held,

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and also think about how to persuade people when we're

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out of you know, when you don't have the power

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at the moment, you should think about persuading people and

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how to reach out to Peter, I think.

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Speaker 1: And also people in power should remember that that is

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always temporary. It is voters are fickle. Things change. One

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event can happen tomorrow and everyone will turn on on

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whatever you know is happening. So it's important to Yeah,

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it's important. I do think though that people you know,

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it's difficult to disagree all that people that you know,

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and and and that can affect friendships and stuff. It shouldn't.

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I think it's more on the left and the right.

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kids marrying a Republican, they don't want to be near Republicans,

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they want to hear from them. If that is your worldview,

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it's going to be very hard for you to win

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national elections because you need to convince those people to

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was thinking. Is interesting right now

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is I think the Democrat Party is in a bit

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of a pickle and they need a Bill Clinton type

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to get them back into the real reality world. They

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have some system systemic issues in their party that are

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going to make that difficult. So you have not heard

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a lot of people coming to terms with the reasons

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why they lost and what role they played in that loss.

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lawfair that they ran against their Republican opponents and how

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repulsive that was to a lot of Americans. And they

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have this base of the party that wants to compromise

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in no way. I mean, they want to demand purity

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tests on radical trans issues and other radical issues that

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are not appealing to a general public, and so I

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think that party will be very interesting to watch in

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the next couple of years to see whether they get

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a Bill Clinton type figure or whether they just trust

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that once Donald Trump isn't on the scene so much

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that they can secure narrow victories and keep the progressive

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Speaker 1: I don't think there is a Bill Clinton out there

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for them right now, honestly. And I also think it's

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different in that Clinton era had you know all this

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culture within the Democratic Party and the progressivism, those are

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the most energetic activists in that party. They can't just

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their coalition is cobbled together by all these groups that

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you lose a whole you know, you'll lose a whole

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group if you all of a sudden you're like super

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pro is or you lose a group, if all of

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a sudden you're like, yeah, we don't need as many regulations.

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last time, you know, he is a very singular force

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to be the Bill Clinton. I mean, he was supposed

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to be the moderate right, and he he was, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the.

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Speaker 2: Whole way he campaigned was as a moderate who did

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not hate working class voters, and he maybe didn't live

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up to it in office as much as Bill Clinton did.

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able to drag him across the finish line in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: But also with Clinton that when the House went Republican,

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to wanted to be a popular president, which some extent

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that we the vibe shift is a

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real thing. You can see it in how young people

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become cool to be non Democrat in a way that

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I haven't seen in a very, very long time. And

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of this country, which I just kind of think people

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are going to get really excited about being American in

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a way that the Democrat Party has fought America for

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need to figure out their way. And it seems chaotic

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and bad, and I'm not seeing a ton of media

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attention to it when it really is a big story.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you're a young person.

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Speaker 2: Badness of the Democrat Party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're priggish, humorless, you know, nanneistic.

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Speaker 2: You know, are you super excited about the Trump appointments nominations?

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Speaker 1: It's such a weird thing because some of them, I'm like,

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don't know what the terminologies I would call them realists,

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like I don't think they're neo cons and I don't

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think they're you know, halioconns. I think there's somewhere in

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between those two, like Marco Rubian, people like that. So

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I was happy about that some of them, obviously we've

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gone through. I don't like RFK especially. I do like Jay.

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Speaker 2: J Boticharia is awesome, my fellow Bradley Prize winner and

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one of the bravest, most.

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Speaker 1: Interesting and NIH right, Yeah, he should have been the

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HIHS guy in my opinion. I mean, I just think

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that he has all the qualifications and also the spine

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to take on that kind of job in a really,

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really good way.

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Speaker 2: I just remind you that for ansists, Collins, the previous

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head of NIH, and Anthony Fauci conspired to destroy the

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reputation of Ja Bodicharia for opposing their lockdown policy and

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though beautiful, and then they did censor him. I mean,

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he was he was completely censored on Twitter. Oh, that's

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such an interesting thing to see how everyone in corporate

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media cannot handle that Twitter is a free speech platform

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where people who they don't agree with also have the

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right to express their opinion. And so you're seeing all

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these people saying, oh, it's this unbearable right wing platform

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simply because people on the right are not censored in

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the way that they had been for much of Twitter's existence.

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And Jay Bodicharia is a great example here. He is

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this great mind, co author of the Great Barrington Declaration

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and an important voice to listen to during COVID, and

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he was ground to a halt on Twitter, like you

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could not see his stuff. And nobody in corporate media

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had a single problem with this while it was going on.

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And now they're all complaining that they're receiving pushback on

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Twitter from people who don't share their politics who previously

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would not have been allowed to exist on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: And I saw the did you see the story about

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how a lot of Chinese state China, Chinese state organs

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are on x and that they have this great influence,

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you know, they have the big followings and stuff like that. Whatever.

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It was a story, but listen. I think that's worth

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it to have a neutral speech platform. I don't care.

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I no one dislikes communism more than me. But if

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we're talking about it, oh, I will deal with what

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they have to say or all these anti semites that

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bug me all the time if we have, it's worth

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to have a neutral site because in the end, people

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control speech will not get rid of, you know, the

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Chinese state media. They're going to get rid of voices

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like Jay Boticharia who they don't like, and that's what's

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going to happen. So I'd rather have this than that.

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they're in this site speaking of the Democratic Party in

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the future, you have all these big names going to

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Blue Sky where I'm on there and I watch them,

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you know, they're they're in the siloed you know, place

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where nothing changes. So I'm not sure how that what

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that says about their future.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, if people can't handle the moment, they need to

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go to a safe space, as they put it, or

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decline their use of social media or other media. That's

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not the worst response.

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Speaker 1: No, you do what you like. Yeah, but I my

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thing has been again, I don't want to sound you

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know whatever. Is just my thing is that if you

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can't understand the argument of your opponent, you can't really

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debate him and and and you should and if you

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can't honestly portray and frame their argument, then you're not

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really debating anymore. It's just propaganda and and boring, you know.

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So I'm happy and I'm happy that we get to debate,

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and I like to see what they have to say.

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I think it's off and dumb, but whatever, you know,

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they have no in in that, they have no.

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Speaker 2: Interest in My ideas changed by reading other people and

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being encountering new ideas, And it's actually kind of fun.

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And I will say the older you get, you know

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that it happens less the older you get, but when

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it happens, it is so it just makes you feel

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alive that you have been challenged and you've considered it

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and you've changed your mind, you know, on the basis

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of reason or whatever the thing is. I don't know,

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it's just a it's a fun little reminder of how

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much that was happening when you.

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Speaker 1: Were I thinks, for I mention, I was just thinking

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about this the other day, like you have a framework

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your your belief system. Right, and when I do change

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my mind, as I have on for instance, abortion years ago,

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but I did, it's because it like someone convinced me

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that it falls within my overall view of the world.

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to change your whole world view. It's that you didn't

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fully think through something, and then when you did, you

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realize it. So I've also changed my mind sort of

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on immigration. I don't mean that I'm anti immigration at all,

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but I think that we have to be more careful

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with who we let in here because not everyone assimilates whatever.

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That's just one issue. So, right, and if you had just.

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Speaker 2: Closed your mind off to anyone saying anything different than

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what you at first felt or thought, then you wouldn't

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just be a boring, less interesting, less.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is why the left and just keep on

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this second, constantly revising history. That's why the sixteen nineteen

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project exists. You know. They need to kind of score.

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This is why someone says, yeah, sure a boy can

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be a girl, you know what I mean. They need

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to ignore science, ignore history. It's kind of post truth

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place where everything they say is true because you know,

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they can make anything they want up.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was trying to say earlier. So they

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had their big American Anniversary in twenty nineteen. I think

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they rolled that out, maybe even a little earlier. So

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during that first Trump administration, they did the We're going

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to revisit our history project and it was so awful

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and it led to horrific, deadly riots and destruction of

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cities and self hatred and increased facial animosity. I mean,

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it was a complete and utter success for them and

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a failure for the country. And we're heading into a

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two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the United States of

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America at a moment when people are sick to death

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of the self loathing and hatred and racism embodied in

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the left's history projects. It's not good for them.

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Speaker 1: And that's a good point on BLM and post truth ism.

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I guess is that there were a slup incidents that

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spark that that had literally no racial component in them,

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do you know what I'm saying, Or were completely fabricated

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incidents like Michael Brown or whatever. So that's definitely part

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of it, definitely part of it. So I don't doesn't

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vote well for their future.

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Speaker 3: If you don't have great credit credit, Trump policy cancel

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Speaker 1: Affects your wallet.

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Speaker 3: Trump and Bernie you want to collaborate on capping credit

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card interest rates? What credit card debt is as a

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non re course loan. They can't repossess your dinner or

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your vacation. Whether it's happening in DC or down on

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Wall Street, it's affecting you financially.

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Speaker 2: So what about other nominees, Well, there are two.

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Speaker 1: I just like Laurie Chavez Remner. I think is her

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name a remer. She's just pro union, anti right to work.

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I just maybe it's just kind of like Trump is

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rewarding some union members who voted for him or whatever,

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but still bad policy, you know, I don't, you know.

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I just think that the woman is poorly suited to

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being a Republican administration. And I hope that senators who

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live and right to work states and stuff like that

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are going to stop that. I mean, it's, you know,

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something they should be able to do. I don't know,

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what do you think. Have you thought about that one

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at all?

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Speaker 2: We had a piece today that was looking at why

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she's a bad pick, and it's not the pro unionism

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that is a problem, particularly with private sector unions, but

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her ideas are very hostile to business creation, small business creation,

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even though she builds herself as being a big proponent

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of that. I'm worried about that one. I do see

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that when you win an election, there are spoils that

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go out to everyone who helped you win the election.

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And the unions did a big solid for Trump, not

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just by well they didn't endorse or in some cases

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they did endorse him, but the lack of endorsement was

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huge and the lack of putting resources behind getting Kamala

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elected was a big thing for them, including in the

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vote totals. And so you why you get involved in

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helping people in elections. You get some wins out of it.

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people who were extremely hostile to Trump on the right

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are upset that they're not getting cabinet positions for their

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coalition of people when they worked really hard to make

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sure he wasn't the nominee and then worked hard to

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make sure he wouldn't be elected, And now they're like,

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but we should all have the DOJ positions. Well, it's

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kind of how it works. Is when you aren't involved

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in the victory, or you're even worse involved in trying

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to prevent the victory, you're not going to be rewarded

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with plump spots.

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Speaker 1: I fee I feel like I'm arguing with everyone over

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this stuff. Like, on one hand, no, he's Donald Trump.

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He won, You're not going to get the positions if

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you didn't support him. That's normal for any president. It's

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always happened. On the other hand, the Senate is an

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independent body that gets its own say and you know,

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and it is not beholden to the president necessarily. I mean,

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you're in the same party. But if they don't like

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someone like this Chavez ram or they should they have

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every right to, you know, they think it's going to

477
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undermine their state and stuff like that. Policies. I also

478
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like Treasury Secretary Scott Best, and I think that's how

479
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you pronounce it. I don't love everything he has to say.

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But I was just reading the speech she gave. It

481
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was like a Manhattan Institute thing, I think, and says

482
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a lot of good things about Reagan, which I like. So,

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I mean, he basically puts Trump as the sort of

484
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inheritor of Reagan's kind of dynamic policies, and I agree

485
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in this first term most of his policies were that,

486
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I just worry that a second one.

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Speaker 2: Even, I think Scott Bessent has done a really good

488
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job of explaining tariffs as a negotiating tactic and how

489
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the real health of the economy is when you have

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it be unbridled and let the market dominate. And Reagan,

491
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of course also felt the same way and also used

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tariffs as a negotiating tactic, but not as a be all,

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end all desired end result.

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Speaker 1: Well, the President said that the word he loves, the

495
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word the tariff, is a more beautiful word than love.

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So I'm not sure he agrees with the not saying.

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Speaker 2: They're approaching it the exact same way. I'm just saying

498
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there's a lot more similarity in.

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Speaker 1: Style, and I hope so, I hope, so, I mean, for.

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Speaker 2: Sure there was in there in there same idea about

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American economic dominance, I should.

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Speaker 1: Say, yeah, who else was there? And then the surgeon General?

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I forget her named Jeannette something is that here?

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Speaker 2: You know? I think I think she was a Fox

505
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contributors and I think I have been on with her before,

506
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and I don't know how to pronounce her name, and

507
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I'm so sorry. I want to say, like Nasra.

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Speaker 1: Watt, Yeah, that's what it looks like.

509
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Speaker 2: Did you did you know that her sister is married

510
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to Mike Waltz. I did not, And that also her

511
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other sister was for twenty years married to Scott Stapp,

512
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the Creed singer.

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Speaker 1: No, that's weird.

514
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Speaker 2: I think they just just divorced. I just think that's

515
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a funny collection of people in one.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I did not expect you to say those things

517
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in that order.

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Speaker 2: I also was like, maybe Creed will perform at the inauguration.

519
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Speaker 1: I hope they get a really big crowd, so when

520
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Trump says it's the biggest crowd ever, it will actually

521
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be true this time. I think there will be a

522
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lot more excitement.

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Speaker 2: I think that'll be more excitement. I don't know. I

524
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was thinking about how he wills his own ideal situation

525
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into existence in the most difficult way possible. I'm sure

526
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it'll be. I mean, I know, just based on my

527
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set of acquaintances and family and friends, the number of

528
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people who've told me that they are making plans to

529
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be out here is extremely high, and the lack of

530
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hotel rooms would indicate that there is that interest too.

531
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So what do you think about her though? This surgeon

532
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in general?

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Speaker 1: Honestly, this is going to sound so unprofessional, but I

534
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remember reading about her and not liking her at all,

535
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but I don't remember exactly. Why isn't she pro COVID

536
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lockdown and stuff like that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she definitely was a pro COVID lockdown person. And

538
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it's weird because so many of the other picks for

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these health positions are those who did bravely stand up

540
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against the group think and the authoritarian impulse in the

541
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face of COVID. So a lot of people have reason

542
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to not trust her or like her. The comfort for them,

543
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I would say, is that the surgeon general is not

544
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a very important position. Yeah. I really like that Florida

545
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Surgeon General Joseph Fladoppo, and he showed a lot of

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courage during COVID and has restored I think a trust

547
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in public health in Florida that is missing elsewhere, so

548
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he would have been a great pick. I think I

549
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heard DeSantis was even thinking about him for the Senate

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appointment Senate seat appointment. I don't know enough about him,

551
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about him on all the other issues to know if

552
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that's a good idea or not. But anyway, Pam BONDI,

553
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I've heard a lot of good I don't know her

554
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very well. I've heard a lot of good things about her.

555
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My concern is the situation at the Department of Justice

556
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and FBI is so serious and such a threat to

557
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the country that it will take someone with a tremendous

558
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amount of courage to take it on. And I don't

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know enough about her to know whether that's her. I

560
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:15,759
saw Julie Kelly had a note from one of the

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Trump attorneys talking about how much he liked her, and

562
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he said in the note it was something like, she

563
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won't do anything dramatic. Will she won't blow up the

564
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Department of Justice. She will change the culture. And that

565
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very much depressed me, because she won't change the culture,

566
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and changing the culture is difficult to do without very

567
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dramatic efforts, and so the permanent DC establishment has done

568
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a lot of damage through the Department of Justice and FBI,

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and the permanent DC establishment is going to fight any

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efforts to decrease their power. And so I don't know

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well enough to know whether she'll be able to do that,

572
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but I do think that some of her deputies are

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really good, really good so and brave and showed courage

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in the law space at a time when very few

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people did, even on the especially on the right.

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Speaker 1: Well, people just should need to remember that these are

577
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not listen. If someone's not working out, they can be replaced.

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As we saw in the first Trump administration, people replaced

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all the time, and would very well be the case.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the FBI, did you see how some people

581
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were really upset about how there are various nominees who

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won't be going through the FBI vetting process for their

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confirmation proceedings. Actually, I was thinking, just constitutionally speaking, I

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do believe the Senate has a responsibility or has the

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authority to vent some of these people. Separately, I don't

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see where the FBI doing it works for the constitution.

587
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:02,319
Eisenhower set it up where the FBI did it at

588
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a time when people probably thought the FBI was somewhat

589
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independent and trustworthy, and so.

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Speaker 1: Can I just quickly say it's always been completely a

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00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,319
corrupt organization, right, It's very founding. It was a dictoriate,

592
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you know, there was a dictator in charge of all

593
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all of it. And yeah, I'm sorry, I just it

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hit me recently, like the FBI has always been terrible

595
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,039
in many in a lot of ways, but you know,

596
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background check. You probably used to trust them, right, well, except.

597
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Speaker 2: That background checks are the means by which they gain

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information on people that they can then use against them

599
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or leak. The Senate has broad subpoena authority, and they

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have really good investigators, and some committees in particular, have

601
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really good investigators. And so I think I'm kind of

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an article one enthusiast. Anyway, I think the Senate should

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claim its power and be doing more of these types

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of vette, including of judges.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right, that's how it should work. Obviously,

606
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there's nothing from what I read, the Trump administration will

607
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do its own vetting of these people and then after

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they're in charge, have the FBI do it, and that's

609
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their prerogative to do. But the Senate's really the responsible

610
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for making sure that these cabinet members, you know, for

611
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whatever reason they deem but also because of security risks,

612
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are appropriate for the president. That's the whole point, right

613
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and so right.

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Speaker 2: The problem is, you know, you take someone like Tulci

615
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Gabbard and they'll say, oh, because basically she's picked for

616
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policy reasons. She has a different policy approach, both to

617
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surveillance of Americans and foreign policy, and those foreign policy

618
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positions she's had and those surveillance positions she's had make

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her an enemy of the very people who are supposedly

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going to vet her, the same people who put her

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on a watch list for some of these policy views

622
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that she had. And so that's where you see that

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having an FBI and a corrupt FBI, in particular, being

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having any say in determining whether someone's appropriate for an

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intelligence position. You basically the intelligence community gets to say

626
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whether anyone's appropriate for the intelligence position, and that means

627
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that they will always be picking people who will enable

628
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,119
their corruption and power and never picking or approving people

629
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who are a check on that.

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Speaker 1: It's also that the double standards are incredible. Now, I Tulsi,

631
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when I met with us sad once I didn't like

632
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that at all. I still don't like it. But Chris Murphy,

633
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:41,119
do you think anyone want to he met with, you know,

634
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Iranian intelligence, you know whatever, Iranian people or tons of

635
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,680
people in the administration right now in the Pentagon, there's

636
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someone who literally is an asset of Iran. I know

637
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you reported that. I remember I broke that. Yeah, you did,

638
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you did. You didn't report it, you broke it. It's

639
00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:59,839
a great story. And you know, if the Logan Action

640
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ever be used, it should be on Chris Murphy, you know,

641
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and John Kerry.

642
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Speaker 2: But well, the Litman Act shouldn't be used. And it's

643
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not just Democrats. I mean, Lindsey Graham has met with

644
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,719
so many bad guys, but he's done it because he's

645
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a legislator and it's part of what he wants to

646
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be doing to do his job. Well, I mean, I'm

647
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not a huge fan of him or of these other people,

648
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but they actually do get to meet with these people.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, but not exactly like in my opinion, if

650
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the Trump administration has a policy, the executive branch is

651
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in charge of foreign policy. The Senate is only there

652
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to say yes to treaties and so forth. And if

653
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Donald Trump has a certain policy against Iran, and then

654
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Chris Murphy goes to Europe to undermine the President's policy

655
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and the policy of the United States. I think that's

656
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a big problem.

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Speaker 2: Have you read this book now, Waging War by David Barron,

658
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The clash between Presidents and Congress from seventeen seventy six

659
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,480
to isis you would I think you would really like it.

660
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:08,800
I really enjoyed it, and it deals with just what

661
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you're saying, which is sort of who gets to make decisions.

662
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Speaker 1: About Again, I'm not saying the Logan Act should be

663
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invoked or anything. I'm just saying that to me, that's problematic,

664
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especially when I disagree with the people secretly, because if

665
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Molly Hemingway doesn't break the story, like do we know

666
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that he did that? How many times has he done that? Well? Wow?

667
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Speaker 2: So that was my big problem with it was this

668
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was at a time when they were trying to do

669
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a coup on the president for his incoming national security

670
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advisor having completely appropriate talks with his Russian counterpart. Meanwhile,

671
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they're out there meeting with the worst elements of the

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Iranian leadership in an effort to undermine our foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: This is a good segue actually for me right here.

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Yesterday the Israelis agreed to a seiz fire deal with

675
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the Lebanon which essentially means they agreed with Hisspala and

676
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they only did this. They only did this because the

677
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Biden administration keeps threatening not to send them any more weapons,

678
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keeps threatening Netayaho in different kind of ways, and Benjamin Netanyao,

679
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in my view, said, okay, I will agree to the ceasefire,

680
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which is ridiculous because there's no enforcement mechanism really to

681
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keep his Bola out from the south because he's waiting

682
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for Donald Trump, right, But this is just another instance

683
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of the Biden administration filled with pro Iranian people bailing

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out an Iranian proxy in my opinion, And.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so first off, I would just point out that

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the Biden administration was trying to get Israel to do

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a ceasefire three months ago, which was before all of

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this amazing destruction of Hisbola's power and capacity, And had

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they agreed to that ceasefire three months ago, that would

690
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have led to much, in my much greater long term conflict.

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Not that there will ever not be conflict in the

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region so long as people walk the Earth. So the

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three month delay I think show Israel made the right

694
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decision by not agreeing to it earlier. But I also

695
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noticed that the way that they agreed to it, they

696
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said that they viewed any attack as a violation of

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this ceasefire. Obviously, but also any rearmament by Hisbola would

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be a violation of the ceasefire. So they did they

699
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really agree to a ceasefire, you know what I mean?

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Like the modent Hesbola tries to rearm, which will be today,

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they will view that as a violation and it'll be off.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree, but I just think it's Nete was

703
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biding time for Trump to commit. Now, listen, I don't

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think Trump's Trump administration is going to be okay, Israel

705
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do what you want, you know, go to Terran and

706
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drop a nuclear bomb. I don't think it's going to

707
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be that way. But I do think they're going to

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be much more sympathetic to Israel's need to create some

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defensible border so that its civilians aren't under constant attack

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at the very least, you know, So I look forward

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to that. I think that that's you know, Trump's Midi's policy.

712
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He was pretty good and yeah, anyway, one last thing

713
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:06,960
on foreign policy, this is more in your you know,

714
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,440
your concern or it is more of your concern. The

715
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:14,280
Ukrainian imm concerned too. Did you see the story about

716
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,480
how a Biden administration had okay Ukrainian weapons being used

717
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:21,519
American weapons sent to Ukraine being used deep in Russia.

718
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,119
Speaker 2: Which I think is a much bigger scandal than people

719
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,920
are treating it as. You just had an election which

720
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,719
included two presidential debates with two different candidates, but both

721
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,199
you know, the president and vice president articulating their support

722
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,480
for an expanded war against Russia in Ukraine, and Trump

723
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:43,079
saying it needs to end and it's horrific. And then

724
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:45,320
the American people voted and that was one of the

725
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,719
issues they voted on, and they voted for Donald Trump.

726
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,639
And then Biden was like, what if we expanded the war?

727
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,360
Right now? What if we did this thing that we

728
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,960
have not allowed prior, which is the use of long

729
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:58,960
range missiles to go deep into Russia. So within hours

730
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:02,519
of him providing that allowance, they take them up on it.

731
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:05,599
And there's a misnomer here when the way we talk

732
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,360
about it, basically, we're running this war and it's a

733
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,360
proxy war. We give them the money, we give them

734
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,960
the weapons, we give them the intelligence about where to strike.

735
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,719
We do everything, except that the Ukrainians are the one

736
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,679
who are ones who are giving like up up to

737
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,159
a million of their men in casualties to this war.

738
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,239
I mean, it's a million total between Russia and Ukraine

739
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,840
casualties as of September. And then they're the ones who

740
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,159
actually hit the button after we do all the other work.

741
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:40,159
So within hours of giving this permission, they go deep

742
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:43,800
into Russia. Russia responds with a long range missile of

743
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:49,800
its attack of its own, and a lot of increased

744
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,000
rhetoric about how the next step is nuclear war. It's

745
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:59,119
just reckless to do this, and it's particularly I mean,

746
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,079
it's reckless. Putting yourselves on the brink of World War

747
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:07,880
III in a poorly designed war is reckless. Doing it

748
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:13,960
in a transition is I think, just it's reprehensible. Having

749
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:17,559
said that, I was talking with someone who's really smart

750
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:20,800
in this space. He was pointing out that the pro

751
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,519
Ukraine war people in America have been claiming that if

752
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:28,320
only Ukraine could use long range missiles, then they could

753
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,400
take on this nuclear power, which is insane, but that's

754
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,159
what they've been saying, and once they see that the

755
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:39,480
fundamental nature of the war doesn't change. It is another

756
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,400
example of how the people who are arguing for a

757
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:48,039
more realistic approach to this problematic situation of Russia invading

758
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:51,639
Ukraine and seizing territory, that it'll just show, like once

759
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:56,079
again that they're right on the fundamentals. I don't know,

760
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,519
it's just a mess, and it's like it's a million

761
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,639
men mess, and nobody seems to care about the complete

762
00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:06,760
destruction of Ukraine, these deaths, the mood of the people,

763
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,639
and you know, they're not being allowed to have elections

764
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,920
right now in part because I think they would vote

765
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:15,800
for a changed approach. So it's a horrific situation and

766
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,760
people just kind of like gloss over it, like it's

767
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,239
no big deal for all the concern about Israel and

768
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:25,719
Gaza and people don't seem that concerned about the death

769
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,239
and destruction in Ukraine.

770
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:31,199
Speaker 1: Well, it's crazy because Democrats say that it's you know,

771
00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:37,039
constantly push ceasefires on Israel, but they won't would never

772
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:39,559
ask Ukraine to engage in a ceasefire, do you know

773
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:41,840
what I'm saying. It's like it doesn't make any sense.

774
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,039
Speaker 2: Well, not every conflict needs to have the same out right,

775
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,039
you don't push this, but I actually think what you

776
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:49,159
just said is right. They should flip the approach. They

777
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:53,039
should be pushing for as good of a situation as possible.

778
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:58,079
And again not because in a perfect world, Ukraine would

779
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:01,559
not be so mismatched here versus Russia. But Russia has

780
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:05,719
an existential desire for this land. They view it as

781
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,119
as necessary for their country's survival to have this access

782
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,480
that this land provides. And they have six thousand nuclear warheads.

783
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,119
So you may wish Ukraine could win, You may really wish,

784
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:22,920
but do you have what it takes in America to

785
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,760
prosecute a hundred year war against a nuclear power if

786
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,679
they didn't go nuclear, like you just it's just unrealistic.

787
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,599
And then on the opposite side with Israel there like

788
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:35,599
you must do a ceasefire, you must just stop all

789
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:38,480
of this when they're just trying to be let go

790
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:41,039
to actually win a very winnable war.

791
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: Well not just win a war, but prevent an enemy

792
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,800
and an enemy of the United States in many ways

793
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,559
from obtaining a nuclear weapons like that should be a

794
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,639
huge think about what this world looks like if Iran

795
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:53,599
has nuclear weapons and they do whatever they want in

796
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:55,719
the Red Sea, you know, all over because we can't.

797
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,199
You know, you don't want to have a nuclear war

798
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,800
with a bunch of religious fanatics. So it doesn't make sense.

799
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,440
And hopefully it will make more sense come end of January.

800
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:11,039
We'll see. All right. I think that's enough on politics.

801
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:12,800
It's Thanksgiving. Let's talk about something.

802
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,039
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about culture.

803
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: Yes, you have one of my favorite topics coming up.

804
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:23,039
Speaker 2: So I watched the new John Benet Ramsey documentary on Netflix.

805
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:23,840
Have you seen it?

806
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: I have not. I just saw that it existed. I'm

807
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,239
like another one, But yeah, I did not.

808
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:32,519
Speaker 2: So even though I'm from Colorado and I felt like

809
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:34,639
I was pretty well read on the topic, and of

810
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:40,519
course I have read your your many pieces on this

811
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,079
dating back to the Rocky Mountain.

812
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,599
Speaker 1: News Denver Post.

813
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:46,519
Speaker 2: But yeah, sorry, sorry.

814
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 1: Okay, we were the broadsheets.

815
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,159
Speaker 2: That I did not There was a lot I did

816
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:55,960
not know about this.

817
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh really, okay, So I quickly just want to say

818
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,960
I was in Colorado after this happened a few years

819
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,119
after when I arrived, but I became obsessed with the

820
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,199
case as many people in Colorado have been and do

821
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,800
I actually met people who were part of the investigator

822
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,960
you know, Bolder Police at the time. I spoke to

823
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,320
people who were involved, and I spoke to reporters you know,

824
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,440
who were there. So I became obsessed. Now I haven't

825
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,159
thought about it in a few years since the last

826
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:28,679
documentary they made. Does this doc well, you'll tell me,

827
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:33,960
but does this documentary now, uh? Does it give you

828
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,440
a potential person who did it or anything like like

829
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:38,440
was it good? Actually? Just tell me about it, tell

830
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,000
me what you think.

831
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,519
Speaker 2: Uh No, And I'm okay with that, Like, I don't

832
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:43,239
want to give it away because it's a three part

833
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,079
documentary and we have not had anyone arrested for the

834
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:53,039
killing of John Bennet, so I had. One of the

835
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:56,039
things I like about this documentary is it looks deeply

836
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,400
at how much the Bolder Police department messed thing up,

837
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:05,480
and also how much the media trafficked in falsehoods about

838
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,719
the Ramsey parents. I would say it's very friendly toward

839
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,599
the Ramsey parents, and since you have already fingered them

840
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,039
as the slaughterers of their child, you will probably not

841
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,199
like that. But I found it very persuasive, like I

842
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:29,119
didn't realize that there was DNA including in the girls'

843
00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:34,840
panties for an adult white male, and that the adult

844
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,159
white male was no member of the Ramsey family or

845
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:43,360
anyone else who was plausibly in the home, but have

846
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:43,840
gotten on.

847
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: At the Macy's where they bought it. It doesn't. It's

848
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,320
here's the thing, at least from my perspective, every cop

849
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,800
who was there, every detective, initially thought Patsy did it.

850
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:58,920
There was no one thought that there was anyone else

851
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,800
who could have done it. Piece one of the pieces

852
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,199
I wrote for the Federals years ago, I list all

853
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,159
of the reasons they all thought Patsy did it. They

854
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,599
the Boulder Police are completely incompetent. They ruined, They let

855
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:13,880
people go into the scene and there's DNA all we

856
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,320
don't even know if it was a neighbor's DNA. DNA

857
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:22,840
all over the place points to them, and they they

858
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:24,920
One of the key things that cop said is they

859
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,880
have gotten met Patsy in a room alone initially, as

860
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,519
they do normally for any case like this, they feel

861
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:34,519
like she would have broken for sure. I mean, you know,

862
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:38,840
I don't want to go before we keep going I actually.

863
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: I'm appalled at how poorly the Boulder police handled this,

864
00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:46,440
and it was taking me back to this moment.

865
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:46,679
Speaker 1: You know.

866
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,599
Speaker 2: The mayor was Leslie what was her name, Leslie Durgan

867
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:50,599
or Leslie Duggan.

868
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

869
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,639
Speaker 2: Older is even as a town is even more lefty

870
00:46:55,719 --> 00:47:00,320
than the university. Oh yeah, I believe was an a

871
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,159
abortionist who became mayor.

872
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: I believe.

873
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 2: So they give you an idea of like what the

874
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,679
people Boulder think is good. So it's also weird to

875
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,320
have someone who was an abortionist. And of course Boulder

876
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,320
is also the site of one of the worst late

877
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,440
term abortion clinics in the country, run by doctor Warren Hearn.

878
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,440
You just it doesn't seem they don't deal with a

879
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,840
lot of post birth killings there in Bolder.

880
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

881
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: True, but there was just like a general weirdness about

882
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:30,519
the whole thing.

883
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: And and.

884
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: Okay, so I have this horribly unprincipled belief which people

885
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,960
get mad at me for. It's I mean it kind

886
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,519
of as a joke, even though it's not a joking

887
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:47,199
matter that the moment, anytime a wife is killed, you

888
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,000
just arrest the husband because it's it was him. You know,

889
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,079
I don't really mean that. But there is a reason

890
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,719
why you look close. When there's a kidnapping or killing.

891
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,199
You look close because that's where most of them occur.

892
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:04,440
And I know how difficult that must be for the

893
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,920
people who are innocent who get looked at, But you

894
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,239
look at those people for a reason, particularly when the

895
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,920
girl is found in the house. Oh, even that that

896
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,920
they didn't do a thorough search of the house is

897
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:21,440
utterly bizarre, that the police didn't do that, That they

898
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,840
let people just trapes all over the house, completely corrupting

899
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,760
the crime scene. And then for all of the obvious

900
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,840
reality that they thought the parents did it, they didn't

901
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:37,760
really interrogate the parents anyway, So major problems. But then

902
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,119
I would also say, because they thought the parents did it,

903
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,880
I do think it made them closed off to looking

904
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:48,400
at any other potential scenario. And you mentioned like, oh,

905
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,519
it could have happened at the Macy's that a white

906
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:53,880
male adult DNA got on her panties and then mixed

907
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,840
with her blood from her assault in that region, Well,

908
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,920
they actually did look into that, and they tried to

909
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,000
trace DNA all the way back to like the factory

910
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:07,480
in China and find a white male working at the

911
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,119
factory in China, so that they could discount where that

912
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:14,960
DNA came from. But it wasn't just on her underwear.

913
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:19,039
It was also in other they found DNA, you know,

914
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,719
not just there, but elsewhere.

915
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:26,039
Speaker 1: Listen, the pivotal fact of the whole case is this

916
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:29,719
that And detectives asked this and no one could ever

917
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,760
answer it. This is the sex crime was staged. John

918
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,199
Benny was killed with a fast light over the head,

919
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,360
probably that smashed her. That was in the house. What

920
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,480
kind of sophisticated sexual predator endpoints of this house, breaks

921
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:48,360
into this house, doesn't bring a single thing with him.

922
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,400
Everything used to stage that scene was from inside the house.

923
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:55,800
Then after doing this, staying in the house with everyone

924
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,639
in the house, goes and hours hours sits un a

925
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,119
death at a desk, writes a long ransom note using

926
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:09,519
Patsy Ramsey's marker and notepad and notepad. After they're done,

927
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,920
puts back the pen or the marker into where he

928
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,800
took it from, lays out this note that Patsy Ramsey

929
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,440
supposedly stepped over, which later they tried to recreate and

930
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:23,239
could not. She could not have stepped over it, and

931
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,119
doesn't bring a single tool to trade, writes a ransom

932
00:50:26,119 --> 00:50:29,039
note for some reason after killing the chide. None of

933
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:31,320
it makes any sense other than if it was a person.

934
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:36,360
Every FBI psychological exam and look at the crime came

935
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,079
up with someone in the house did it.

936
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 2: So The documentary also features a Colorado's Sherlock Holmes as

937
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,159
one of the people puts it. Who was the El

938
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,400
Paso detective? Do you know who I'm talking about?

939
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: I forget the name, but go on.

940
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:54,199
Speaker 2: Schmidt was his last name, and he had solved previous

941
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,280
mystery killings in Colorado, including one that involved a child

942
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,880
killed in her home or abducted from her home or yeah,

943
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,559
I think killed in her home. Nope, she her remains

944
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:10,239
were found elsewhere where they thought that the parents had

945
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:17,199
done it, and so his he recorded his findings in

946
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,239
audiotapes and also involved other detectives from El Paso in

947
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,159
the process. And so he would say that in fact,

948
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:30,000
there was definite evidence of a break in from outside

949
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:36,119
entry from outside physical evidence of that, and an easy

950
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:41,199
exit route from that was near the location of where

951
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:46,679
the body was found, and all sorts of other things

952
00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:49,960
like it just didn't like nothing makes sense, including I

953
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,719
would say that the parents did it. Like, obviously, a

954
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,159
girl is dead, somebody killed her. But I wouldn't say

955
00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:58,519
that any of the theories put forth by the Boulder

956
00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:04,000
police really made sense. There. Theory was that Patsy had

957
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:09,679
gotten enraged that John Bennet had wet her bed, except

958
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,000
there was no evidence of her having like what the

959
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:14,599
bed that night, you know, not that six year old

960
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:17,519
kids don't want beds, and then as a result, she's

961
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:22,159
sexually assaulted and murdered her really like a totally that

962
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:24,400
doesn't really As a mother, that doesn't really make sense

963
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:24,639
to me.

964
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:29,039
Speaker 1: She wasn't sexually assaulted. That was staged. She was killed

965
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:32,159
with blunt trauma to the head. I believed the neck

966
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,360
stuff and the rest of it was staged.

967
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 2: Well, there's even debate about that because of the distress

968
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,440
that was in her body from the the garat that

969
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:47,920
was around her neck. So also, you know, there was

970
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,840
this theory that the brother had done it, which I

971
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,840
am so sad to say. I had entertained and watching

972
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,719
this documentary and seeing this little tiny boy who was

973
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,360
not capable of building a complicated garrot to you know

974
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,719
what I mean, Like, I.

975
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: Don't think actually, yeah, if the parents.

976
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:12,599
Speaker 2: Did the garat. Shouldn't you have been able to how

977
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:13,960
do you say that word? Grot?

978
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:15,639
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

979
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 2: Shouldn't you have seen evidence that they well how to

980
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:21,679
do that?

981
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 1: The theory was that the maybe the brother killed her

982
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,599
and then the parents set the stage the scene, you

983
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:33,440
know what I mean. But the problem was, I believe,

984
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,320
I'm just thinking about this stuff again for the first

985
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,000
time in a while, that the reason all of it

986
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:42,880
was contaminated because John found the Ramsey found the body.

987
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,400
His neighbor incidentally was with him in the basement, said

988
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,159
that he yelled out before he had turned on the

989
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,480
light to find the body that he had you know

990
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:54,360
that it was he thought it was just all acting.

991
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:58,719
That's his friend saying this, not you. But anyway, I

992
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,239
just want to quickly talk about the So take the

993
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,800
ransom note for instance.

994
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the argument for her doing it.

995
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: But go on, Yeah, the whole ransom note the FBI

996
00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:15,840
we trust on that said, was written only to be

997
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:22,840
a diversion and to to you know, focus and and

998
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:26,039
you know, on to blame someone who wasn't there. So

999
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,880
she put the exact amount as a ransom money that

1000
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:34,039
was in John's bonus check so only people who worked

1001
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:36,000
with him would know that, or someone in his family.

1002
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,719
But she mentioned foreign factions and all these things that

1003
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,079
literally were on the TV that night and the night

1004
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:45,559
before that. She might have seen every FBI profile or

1005
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:47,920
thought she had done it, that she had written that note.

1006
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:51,480
All the evidence points to her. There might listen. I

1007
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:54,519
think what happened was I do think probably she killed

1008
00:54:54,519 --> 00:54:58,079
her and that everyone they staged the scene. But I'm

1009
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:00,440
not sure what happened in the house exactly. No big theory.

1010
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,719
I mean, I'm not one hundred percent sure why she died,

1011
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,960
but the idea that there was a break in or something.

1012
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,440
There was one footprint in the snow. Snow, no one

1013
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:09,480
broke into the Oh that's.

1014
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 2: One thing you got wrong. I went and reread your stuff.

1015
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: So the other thing, what was the first thing I

1016
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:16,199
got wrong?

1017
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 2: Sorry?

1018
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:20,679
Speaker 1: Sorry?

1019
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:23,039
Speaker 2: That was something that you wrote that I don't think

1020
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:24,559
was borne out by the facts.

1021
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: What was that?

1022
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 2: So there was not snow in the backyard at all,

1023
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,480
like they have pictures of the crime scene photos, because

1024
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,760
I think it was south facing in the back the

1025
00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:37,239
snow had already melted. There was some snow in the

1026
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,840
front yard, but not in the back.

1027
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:42,199
Speaker 1: Not in the back, So I just said they saw one.

1028
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,599
They found one footprint. I don't know what I wrote exactly.

1029
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:46,480
I could go back, but they they found a footprint

1030
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:48,000
in the front. But I mean the.

1031
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 2: Crime scene photos of the area by the door show

1032
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:57,679
a completely dry side, like completely dry, saying sidewalk and

1033
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,519
dry yard.

1034
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,679
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, if you have this

1035
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,679
kind of murder, do you think this is the first

1036
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,199
time the person did it? Do you think that they

1037
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:13,119
would do it again? Why hadn't they done it again?

1038
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:15,960
Why was there this weird ransom note? Why? Why did

1039
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:18,239
the person not bring a single thing with them to

1040
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,199
the house. Why did he leave the child there? Why

1041
00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:22,800
did he feel the need to divert and write a

1042
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,320
ransom note after the child was dead? No one ever

1043
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,039
answers any of these questions. Who try to point fingers

1044
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:30,800
away from the ramses well.

1045
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:39,119
Speaker 2: The saying point fingers away from them. I do believe

1046
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,760
very strongly in innocent until proven guilty. And I'm not

1047
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,039
saying that there aren't weird things in play here. But

1048
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:51,760
just because there are weird things in play doesn't mean stuff.

1049
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:56,880
The note was very weird. I think you had written

1050
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,599
that it would have taken like twenty plus minutes to

1051
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:03,440
write it, which does not match with a crime scene situation.

1052
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,519
But also, and I'm not saying that parents don't kill children.

1053
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:11,920
Obviously that has happened throughout time, and you're like, oh,

1054
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,880
these people don't. These people had like unfair advantage because

1055
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,719
people thought that they couldn't do it. But there's really

1056
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,119
not much in their life that would suggest that they

1057
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:26,199
were capable of anything like this. You know, it was accidental, accidental,

1058
00:57:26,239 --> 00:57:31,360
but then staging like a really complicated, dramatic death scene,

1059
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,320
you know, it just doesn't seem I.

1060
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: Mean, they were sophisticated people, you know.

1061
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,239
Speaker 2: I mean, they weren't unsophisticated, but they weren't like totally

1062
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,559
sophisticated either. I mean, this was a beauty queen pageant

1063
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:47,599
and her beauty queen and her daughter who she also

1064
00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:51,760
had in beauty pageants. These aren't They're not like doing

1065
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:52,760
testing on.

1066
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,519
Speaker 1: How about how they acted after? So think about this.

1067
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,239
They refuse to give interviews to the police. First of all,

1068
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,639
the police, like you said, I believe in the presumption

1069
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:03,880
of innocence as well, but the police messed this up

1070
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,960
so badly that it's we can never really know, so

1071
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,119
we can theorize.

1072
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,079
Speaker 2: In the documentary, he explains that the dad explains that

1073
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,320
he had gotten a call from someone in his business

1074
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,159
who said, you should know that the Bolder police one

1075
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,719
hundred percent think you did this and you should lawyer

1076
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:22,559
up immediately.

1077
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: And so he did, Yeah, lawyer up. But within I

1078
00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:28,559
have it here. I think it was less than a

1079
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:30,480
half an hour after the car shoot. If he got

1080
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:33,760
on a plane, private plane and went to Atlanta, that's

1081
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:34,199
the other.

1082
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:38,559
Speaker 2: Thing you got wrong. Sorry, it so it was reported,

1083
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:41,199
it was leaked to the media that he flew his

1084
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:47,320
own private jet to Atlanta m HM days after with

1085
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,079
its daughter's casket, and that just wasn't true. He didn't.

1086
00:58:50,199 --> 00:58:50,840
He doesn't fly.

1087
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: No, I did say he flew it. I said he

1088
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,440
was on a he had a private plane and it

1089
00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:56,480
was taken to Atlanta.

1090
00:58:56,599 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, he's a wealthy Boulder executive who flew a

1091
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:03,679
private plane with his daughter's casket rather than flying.

1092
00:59:03,719 --> 00:59:05,079
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I don't know. I don't

1093
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:06,880
think I wrote about the casket. I think, oh yeah,

1094
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,199
with his book Daughters about I have to look into that.

1095
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,199
But in any event, here's the thing.

1096
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,559
Speaker 2: But they have a reporter who got it wrong, and

1097
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:17,199
he's like, I totally got it wrong. I trusted someone

1098
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:17,960
and I shouldn't have.

1099
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:21,159
Speaker 1: All the cops interviewed. The best book on this is,

1100
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:24,159
in my opinion, is uh. I've got the guy's name, Schiller.

1101
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:25,599
I think it is, and I forgot the name of

1102
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:26,199
the book.

1103
00:59:26,239 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: But is it the cop who wrote the book about

1104
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,119
how it was John Benet's mother who did it.

1105
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: No, it's he doesn't come to any conclude it's perfect murder,

1106
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,199
perfect town. It's just a really well documented book. So anyway,

1107
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:43,039
all the cops involved thought that the Ramseys acted incredibly

1108
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:47,840
weird and guilty. All the evidence points to them. No,

1109
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:51,079
you know, the intruder theory, but of course any crime

1110
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:52,800
you can have an intruder came in and did. But

1111
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,480
there's no evidence of any break in. You just said

1112
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,760
there was, but I don't think there was any broken window.

1113
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,480
There was no broken door.

1114
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:03,639
Speaker 2: Nothing there. Oddly enough, there was a broken window that

1115
01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:07,199
was not broken that night. It had been broken earlier

1116
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:13,599
and hadn't been repaired. But then there was glass from

1117
01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:19,119
that break that was on the suitcase right below the

1118
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:21,880
window that someone might have used to climb in or out.

1119
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna have to refresh my memory on

1120
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,079
all this. But I you know, as I my obsession

1121
01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:32,320
with this, you know, is just that in my recollection

1122
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,480
of this is that almost everyone involved in this case,

1123
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:37,480
other than some people, in my opinion, were out there

1124
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,440
looking to make a box, thought that the Ramseys had

1125
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:40,760
done it.

1126
01:00:41,159 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 2: Okay, well, you're going to be angry when you watch this,

1127
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:46,559
but I did think it was pretty well done, although

1128
01:00:46,599 --> 01:00:49,239
too friendly perhaps to the Ramsey parents. And I found

1129
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,000
it very persuasive that I had assumed. I had basically

1130
01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:56,159
just assumed they had done it and came out of

1131
01:00:56,199 --> 01:01:00,320
it much more open to other theories. Have you seen

1132
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,079
anything that you want to talk about?

1133
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Just real quickly, I saw I have my list

1134
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:12,519
here somewhere. Anyway, I went to see Gladiator too. Yeah, like, listen,

1135
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:15,599
it's a movie about Rome and Gladiator. As I'm in,

1136
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,440
you know, there's battles, Denzel Washington's in it, all of that,

1137
01:01:18,519 --> 01:01:20,719
But the story itself, the writing, it just it was

1138
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,719
just very ham fisted. The connection to the old movie

1139
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,960
was just it just I wasn't buying it, so I was.

1140
01:01:27,039 --> 01:01:32,960
I was. I was pretty disappointed in general, but you know,

1141
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,880
it's still this big, beautiful extravaganza. You know, a lot

1142
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,920
of a lot of blood, a lot of arms being

1143
01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:42,320
chopped off and so on. So and then I've been

1144
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,079
I've been really into watching Golden Girls. Have you ever

1145
01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:49,599
watch that show? Yeah, with Maud and all those It's

1146
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:53,199
so much edgier and like funnier than I remember it being,

1147
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,880
you know, And now that I'm a bit older, I

1148
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,880
find it like funny and I don't know, kind of

1149
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:03,039
ated to watching it. So that's all I've been watching. Okay,

1150
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:03,920
all right.

1151
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:06,239
Speaker 2: I also watch Diplomat.

1152
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,199
Speaker 1: Oh I see that? Shah?

1153
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, like me?

1154
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:10,559
Speaker 1: Good you did.

1155
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 2: I don't like the Kerrie Russell character, and I like that.

1156
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,320
I don't like her, you know, it's it takes courage

1157
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,840
to make an unlikable main character.

1158
01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I'll check it out.

1159
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:24,039
Speaker 3: All right.

1160
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:25,559
Speaker 1: I hope you have a great Thanksgiving.

1161
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 2: I hope you do, and I hope everyone else does

1162
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,159
as well. And people should remember to email us at

1163
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,039
radio at the Federalist dot com.

1164
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:37,159
Speaker 1: Yep, we'd love to hear from you. And uh also

1165
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:38,880
buy my book if you'd like. It's called Blue and On.

1166
01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:43,840
You can buy it everywhere books are sold. Great and

1167
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,000
we'll be back next week. Until then, be lovers of

1168
01:02:46,039 --> 01:03:00,119
freedom and anxious for the fray.