Speaker 1: Welcome foolish mortals to the Surely you Can't Be Serious Podcasts.
Here are your hosts, your ghost hoosts, Jason and d Hello,
boyls and ghouls, Welcome back to the Surely you Can't
Be Serious Podcast. To my left, I have d Graves
who is covered in cockroaches. I have Course and covered
with weeds, and I'm very itchy. And we're welcoming back,
Amandagantic with our head on a platter to discuss creep
Show and twilight Zone the movie in this wonderful, scary,
spooky season of Halloween.
Speaker 2: We are here on October two, twenty twenty four, exactly
sixty five years two, the day from the day that
the Twilight Zone series first aired on television. To Wow, Amanda,
how you do? And thank you so much for joining
us today.
Speaker 3: I'm great, I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Amanda. You're like the scary movie queen. Right,
You're the one who's gonna carry us through this episode.
Speaker 3: No, no, that's for guys' job. I'm just here for fun.
Speaker 1: You do like horror movies a lot, though, right, I do?
Speaker 4: I do, but very niche horror movies though you know
I'm not into the paranormal that kind of stuff. I'm
more eighties kind of slasher, cheesy, slasher in the woods
type of movies.
Speaker 3: But these two are right up my alley as well.
Speaker 1: So are you a King person?
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say I'm fanatical by any means. I read
all the books when I was younger and stuff, and
obviously saw all the movies. Christine is still one of
my favorites to this day. Write fast on Hampse every year.
Love Christine Carrie, absolutely love it. More of the movies
than the books. I would say I don't have the
attention span for two thousand page books.
Speaker 1: You know, this time last year, you and I did
Christine versus Kujoe versus The Dead Zone. Yeah, all Stephen
King movies that came out in nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 2: Yep, And these movies are close to being forty years old.
Speaker 1: So Creep Show was released November twelfth, nineteen eighty two,
and Twilight Zone was released June twenty fourth, nineteen eighty three.
I believe.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so forty one and forty two respectively. Yeah, okay, fantastic.
You guys know what happened on Christmas day, exactly one
hundred years ago. Rod Serling was born Sunny Veil Arrest,
a home for the agent, a dying place, and a
common children's game called kick the Ken.
Speaker 1: I love this.
Speaker 2: I was reading about his childhood. He was raised by
kind of you know, blue collar family. His dad worked
as a grocer and then a butcher, but built him
a stage downstairs because he could just make his own
plays with or without an audience. Said that his family
said that they got in the car one time and
he just had this tendency to just talk and ask
questions without waiting for an answer and just keep going.
And so they all decided before they got in the
car for this cross country trip that they weren't going
to say anything and see a fraud would notice. He
did not notice. Wow, And so he was an interesting guy.
I mean, he's he's got these you know, plays in
his head from being a little kid. And then he
goes to war. He serves in World War Two. Was
with a guy who was like doing a stand up
routine for the troops, like another fellow soldier. They had
like a crate of food was dropped for them and
it landed on the guy doing the stand up routine
and decapitated him. What he said that that, like his
war experience, highly influenced how he wrote things. And so
once he got back, he went to college, he started
doing stuff in radio, ultimately started writing TV pilots because
he figured radio was going out and it was the
perfect time for somebody to be writing TV plays. Yeah,
and so he wrote this play called Patterns Okay to
tell a play and they actually performed it live. But
he had just moved to New York City. He wasn't
expecting it to be anything big. And they found a
babysitter that night and she said, what if somebody calls,
And they said, don't worry. We literally just moved here.
Nobody's gonna call. He'll be fine. Well, that was the
first time his play was on TV, and it was
so amazingly popular that the phone had one hundred phone
calls before they got back that night. Wow, it's the
first television play to ever be replayed. They replayed it
live and then they made it into a movie. Then
he had another success with a movie called Requiem for
a Heavyweight. Another success was Seven Days in May, and
they realized, hey, this guy's got something going and so
they give him the opportunity to do a how do
we say this something of his own because he had
gotten tired of the TV sensors and the sponsors curbing
what work he put out there. They were changing his
writing to make it TV suitable, and so he said,
I don't want to do that anymore. I want to
be in charge of my own show. And that's how
we got The twilight Zone. October second, nineteen fifty nine.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Amanda, what's your experience with the Twilight Zone?
Did you watch that as a kid or anything.
Speaker 4: No, I don't remember seeing it when I was like
super young, but I think it probably stemmed from Creep Show,
to be honest, because I remember seeing that when I
was pretty young, probably too young, right, and then I
fell in love with the anthology idea, So I think
that's probably how I stumbled upon Twilight Zone. And as
a young kid, let's say, maybe I was eight or
nine maybe when I saw it, don't judge my parents.
Twilight Zone was way over my head at that age,
so I don't think I revisited a lot, you know,
not nearly as much as I did Creep Show. It
wasn't until I got older that I started to understand
more of the concepts that were actually in Twilight Zone
and could appreciate it more.
Speaker 2: What about you, Well, I had watched the TV series
growing up, Like I remember watching it on like Nicked
Night and some of the other stuff that would have
the old old shows on, and so I was excited
when the movie came out. And I was young too,
I mean, and would we say it was eighty three,
so i'd have been seven or eight years old, and
I can remember, I mean, it is a PG movie,
so my my parents let me watch it before PG
thirteen was a thing.
Speaker 1: Hey, PG must be okay for everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so some of those things were particularly disturbing,
especially the prologue scene.
Speaker 1: Oh the prologue scene actually get a big old jump.
Speaker 4: When I was a kid and I was raised my
dad raised me in all kinds of music. I think
we might have talked about this in past episodes and stuff.
And like, by the time it was seven or eight
years old, I was a huge CCR fan.
Speaker 1: So the prolog right.
Speaker 2: Now with Creep Show, I had the comic book that
they made from the movie, you know, they they had
like a comic novel, and I like same place that
I would go buy my Fangoria magazine. Right right there
was an episode there was a you know, comic book
of Creep Show out there, and I was like, Oh,
this looks cool. I want to get this, and I
got it. I didn't even know about the movie. Like,
I was young enough when that movie came out that
it kind of went by me and I didn't know
about it until years later. And then I was like
probably Blockbuster or one of its, you know, some video store,
and I'm like, oh, hey, I had that comic book.
And by that time I was old enough I was like, Okay,
I can watch this movie.
Speaker 1: How about you? What about twelve for you? Yeah. So
when I was growing up in Tulsa, we got a
TV station out of Kansas City. On Friday nights, they
would show like reruns of Get Smart, The Three Stooges,
the Twilight Zone, and then they'd show like a creature
feature like Ryder, Frankenstein or whatever. So every Friday night,
man there I am. I'm taking in Get Smart, Twilight Zone,
Three Stooges, and whatever monster movie. The one Twilight Zone
that haunts me to this day, there's a bank robber
and he gets shot during a bank robbery and when
he wakes up, like he's like rich and like all
these beautiful women are throwing themselves at him and like
everything is like awesome. He's like, man, how did this happen?
I was a bank robber and here I am and
everything's going my way. And it turns out like every
time he takes one pool shot, like every ball goes
in every pocket, and it's like his punishment is that
there's no challenge ever in his life ever again, like
everything is over the top good and it. As a kid,
I was like, WHOA, Like hell is every time you
pull the lever at the casino at millions of dollars
spills out and it just everything goes your way.
Speaker 3: That sounds terrible.
Speaker 2: I remember seeing I can remember seeing people like Robert
Redford in one of them where he's I mean he's
in his twenties but young. He's just this very handsome
young man who as you know, as it turns out,
is it's this little old lady who won't like go out.
It's very similar to the on creep Show, the E. G.
Marshall episode of what is It? The the Creeps? It
creeps on you where She's like she's contained herself in
this little space and won't go out because she's too
scared that death is going to get her when she
goes out. And then this young police officer played by
Robert Redford gets shot and he's like dying on her doorstep.
Speaker 1: And she's like, Okay, I'm just gonna bring you in,
but I gotta bring you in quick, and I have
to take care of you here.
Speaker 2: And like she mends him back to health and he
ultimately is, you know, very thankful, and then he says,
I'm here for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the Angel of Death. Yeah, I remember that one.
Speaker 2: I love the way that those Twilight Zones would twist it.
By the way, I had no ideas how they started
investigating one of the best movie twists of all time,
Planet of the Apes. Get to the end of Planet
of the Apes, you see the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm like.
Speaker 2: Found out today Rod Serling was co writer on the planet.
Speaker 1: All right, that's.
Speaker 3: Awesome, interesting, you know it's Jason. It's funny.
Speaker 4: You just unlocked a key memory for me though, because
I was you know, when you asked me that question,
I was thinking more about Twilight Zone. The movie, not
necessarily the show, but on Friday nights we used to
get because I grew up in outside of Chicago, so
we'd get all the Chicago stations, and then my grandma
lived in Milwaukee, so you know, it was either we
were in Chicago or in Milwaukee on Friday night, and
it was always Twilight Zone, Alfred Hitchcock and Race Barry.
Speaker 1: Theater ooh nice.
Speaker 3: And then no, and.
Speaker 4: Then for that thrief year or whatever, the Nightmare on
Elm Street series.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 3: It was terrible. I was, but that's more what I
was into.
Speaker 4: Like, it was more like I'd sit through, like, you know,
Twilight Zone, Ry Bradberry and be like, okay, because again
over my head at that age, you know.
Speaker 3: So that's funny, though I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 1: That's fun. That's fun. So do you mentioned it to
capitation just a minute ago? Huh? Sadly, that will not
be the last decapitation that we talked about in the episode,
but it won't even be the second to last. Ouch. Yeah, yeah,
we're gonna hold that though. Let's talk about that here
in a little while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, So other fans of the TV show
The Twilight Zone. Yeah, where some guys named John Landis,
George Miller, Joe Dante, and Steven Spielberg.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: And so after the show had been off the air,
I think it went off the air in something like
sixty five, so it had been off the air for
almost twenty years, and they said, let's make a movie.
And so those four directors all direct a segment of
the four three of them are from are their remakes
of actual Twilight Zone, original Twilight Zone episodes, and some
of the actors from those original episodes are in the
new episodes in the movie.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you know why they did that.
Speaker 4: Why they did three out of the four of them
remakes of the original show. It was to make it
more marketable, to bring in that old audience and then
bring in the new audience as well, but put different
spins on them, you know. I mean, some of them
don't obviously follow the original show what happened and in
there or whatever, but they thought, hey, we'll get that
nostalgia for those people who grew up with this show
and just make it more marketable. And I'm glad they
didn't keep him exactly the same because if I wanted
to see that, I would just go watch the episode.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: Why am I going to watch John Lithgow when I
can watch the.
Speaker 3: Shat Because he's the Trinity Killer. That's why you watched.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So I thought that as far back as I was
going to go was one hundred years ago with the
birth of Rod Serling. But it turns out I'm going
to go back one hundred and thirty years ago, almost
exactly again. It's September twenty first, eighteen ninety four. This
guy named Max Gaines is born. When he's in his
late thirties, he pioneers a new type of book. He
was trying to do some marketing for Procter and Gamble
for a newspaper he's working for, and he was like, Hey,
what we're going to do is we're going to take
all of the little comic.
Speaker 1: Strips from the from the newspapers.
Speaker 2: We're going to put them all in like this big book,
like this tabloid sized book, and then people will send
in your you know, Procter and Gamble proof of purchase
and they get free book. And Proctor and Gamble was like,
that sounds like a terrible idea, We're not interested, and
so he was like, hey, newspaper publisher, can we do
this thing anyway? And they did it anyway, and what
it was was the precursor to the comic book. This guy,
Max Gaines is the guy who basically invents the comic
book all right.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: He becomes later on after that the co publisher of
All American Publications who introduced us to some folks. You
might have heard of Green Lantern, Hawkman, and Wonder Woman. Wow,
the first superheroes. Obviously, All American Publications became DC. But
later on he would die, and I'll go into that
in just a second. So he ends up selling his
share of All American and starts his own comic book
line called Educational Comics EC okay, okay, interesting and so
educational comics he's putting out like the Bible in comic
book form, and he's he's putting out these other educational
type of comics in addition to some of the superhero stuff.
But then he dies tragically. His son takes over and
his son is like, heck with his educational thing, I'm
going to change it to entertainment comics.
Speaker 1: Now it may sound.
Speaker 2: Like that the son is a bit of an air
dwell and the father was kind of had his dreams
annihilated after his death. But as it turns out, Max
Gaines was kind of the Bing Crosby of the comic
book world, where everybody was like, oh hey, here's this
great guy who invented comic books, except he would beat
his son with a belt and tell him you will
never amount to anything. And so when he and a
few friends died in a boating accident, suddenly Billy, little
young Billy, who's in his twenties at that point.
Speaker 1: Call me Billy. Everybody else Billy Gaines.
Speaker 2: And if you know who William Gaines is, if you're
a comic book fan, you're gonna be like, whoa. And
if not, I'm about to tell you because it turns
out that Max was a bastard.
Speaker 1: He was a bastard.
Speaker 2: And Bill was excited to take the comic book empire
and take it in a new direction, and so he
changed it from educational comics to entertainment comics, and he
gave us some titles you might have heard of, Weird Science,
What Hails from the Crypt, Whoa, and Mad Comic Books,
which ultimately became Mad magazine.
Speaker 1: That is amazing.
Speaker 2: Now, these comic books, they gained some attention because of
their kind of graphic nature, and he had to go
testify in front of Congress about these comic books. And
they're asking, They're like, do you feel like anything is appropriate,
you know, for you to put in these comic books.
And he's like, well, anything within good taste. And they're like,
but you decide what good taste is and he's like, yeah, yet,
and they say, how about this comic book right here
where you have a man with an axe with blood
running down the handle, and in his other hand he
has what appears to be the head of another human being,
and it appears that there's a body lying on the floor.
Would you say that that is in good taste? And
he's like, oh, yeah, I mean because you can't see
the neck. If you saw the neck, that probably would
be in bad taste. Or if you saw the body
and saw where the head wasn't attached anymore, that might
be in bad taste. But since those things are out,
we're all good. So these easy comics, including the Tales
from the Crypt and the Weird Science and Mad Magazine,
these comics, these easy comics were the inspiration for Stephen
King and George Romero to make the movie Creep Show totally.
Speaker 4: It was born from Salem's Lot too, did you read
about that? So originally George Romero was shopping his movie
Martin around different film festivals and whatnot, and the studio
Warner Brothers saw it and thought, hey, you know, this
would be a great collaboration with George Romero because you
got to think he's hot, hot, hot at that point,
you know, or Stephen King is super hot at that
time too, and so they thought these two together would
be really good. Would you guys be interested in doing
Salem's Lot together? But then Distributed decided to just do
Salem's Lot as a TV release. So then they started
shopping around again for another project, and they were looking
at the stand yes, but the budget for that would
have been way too big, so again the studio passed
on that, and so eventually King and Romero just came
together on their own and hey, we both, like he
had just explained, love comic books. What if we do
a movie like that. We can do it cheaper and
it'll appeal to a mass audience. It's an anthology. Let's
do this thing. Okay, I got that came from Salem's Lot.
Speaker 1: It is, it is, And we talked about Salem's Lot
last year when we did our horror Movies of the seventies.
That's right. Get this. So George Romero is super famous
because he created the Knight of the Living Dead movie.
Get this. So, he does Martin in nineteen seventy seven,
about a man who thinks he's a vampire. But he
had been out of film for a couple of years.
He did a TV movie on OJ Simpson, Juics Is
on the Loose. Did you get that the Jesus Loose,
the good old fashioned heroic story of OJ Simpson. Well,
it was a thing back in nineteen seventy four. Yeah,
nineteen seventy four in a mirror.
Speaker 2: Twenty years later he would be driving down the highway
in a white bronco.
Speaker 1: He does Donna the Dead in nineteen seventy eight, and
he does Night Writers in nineteen eighty one. Do you
know why I bring up Night Writers?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I don't, because it stars mister Ed Harris, who's going
to participate in Creep Show as a favor to George
Romero because of their relationship.
Speaker 2: Night Writers. Okay, so that Night Writers. You're talking about
that terrible biker movie, right.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Michael and Kit.
Speaker 2: That's what I thought you were talking about. I was like,
you're talking about You were confusing people here. We're not
talking about the Hoff Night Riders Night Writers, which if
I think I saw some of that and it was
like it was a combination of medieval nights, except they
were riding on motorcycles, like as you got it.
Speaker 1: It was a colossal piece of crowd really bad.
Speaker 3: That sounds terrible, you know.
Speaker 4: And the guy Tom Savini make up God did all
the work on Dawn of the Dad, so that's why
they brought him in for Creep Show. Yeah, and you know,
fun little cameo in there too does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of the garbage men at the very
end who picks up the comic book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the garbage man that when I watched it
for the first time, I'm like, what's this guy's problem.
He's way over the top for this movie. By the way,
I've got this little nugget for you. Romero and King
wanted to do each part of the anthology as like
a history of the movies. Right, So like the first
segment was gonna be black and white, and then the
next one was gonna be like narrow screen, and then
the third one was gonna be like in three D,
and I thought, wow, that would be really cool, right,
very interesting. I would stylistically, I.
Speaker 2: Was gonna say, I would actually have appreciated some stylistic
change in this one. Yeah, it came out as full
comic book to me. Like the colors were bright. Obviously
they used the comic book transitions they used, they used
it heavily, but even the lighting and the color grading
was very it was very comic bookie.
Speaker 1: It was comic bookie. And even like they had reaction
shots where the ladies were like, ah, and there's like
a comic book thing behind them, And that's.
Speaker 3: The beauty of it. That's what I think is the
beauty of the movie.
Speaker 1: Those parts were interesting.
Speaker 2: When you would have the screams and it was and
it was really like a cardboard cutout behind them and
the flashing light.
Speaker 4: When we talk about segments, I'll talk about my favorite
cartoony part of that movie just stands out to me
is the best shot of the movie.
Speaker 1: But we'll get there, Amanda. Just to kind of go
with you on your point. I would love to see
a King Romero collaboration Salem's Lot or the Stand. That
would be amazing.
Speaker 4: Well, that new Salem's Lot's coming out on maps, yes,
maybe a week or two from now.
Speaker 1: And it looks it looks good, it looks great.
Speaker 4: Finally, and that's not normally my kind of thing, but
I was latch of the previou I'm like, oh, I
might have to watch that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and from.
Speaker 4: What I understand, it has King's blessing, so not a
lot of projects too, so it'll be interesting to see interesting.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Okay, Jason.
Speaker 2: We have got a huge catalog of actors, most of
whom it was before they were famous, right, or maybe
after they were famous, before they were famous.
Speaker 1: Again, you know there's a hodgepodge of people that you
recognize in Creep Show, right, so one of them in
the first one. The first segment is called Father's Day
and that stars today. Yes, do you know what tomorrow is?
Father's Day? It's October thirty. Yes. The mean anything to you? Now?
What kind of friend are you? She? It was like
a national holiday. It's these birthday tomorrow. Where's my cake?
Where's my cake?
Speaker 3: You young again. How exciting? Happy early Birthday.
Speaker 1: Hey, I've been a father for over twenty years now,
huh have you ever gotten a cake on Father's Day?
Speaker 2: You actually asked me about getting a cake for this
particular it's birthday. You're like, do you want a cake?
And I'm like, no, please, do not give me a cake.
Speaker 1: I'm a little worried.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get a severed head with candles in Happy Birthday.
By the way, thanks, thank you.
Speaker 1: I was like trying to rack my brain, like what
national holiday is tomorrow? Oh, it's Dee's birth Okay. So
the first segment of Creep Show is this the tale
called Father's Day? Okay. Now, in this one you have
Ed Harris disco dancing.
Speaker 2: A freaking from Oklahoma Harris Boomer Sooner, Boomer sooner. Although
he did drop the program because they were like, yeah,
you're not really that great an actors.
Speaker 1: I'll see, Yeah, what's story with that? Because you you
were in the theater program, tell me about that. Yeah,
I mean it was.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of urban legend around Ed Harris
in the theater department at the University of Oklahoma, especially
for people who were rejected when it came time for juries,
which is how you decided if you're going to get
to go up be a performance major or not.
Speaker 1: The rumor was that he failed.
Speaker 2: His juries, they weren't going to let him be a
performance major, and he said, I'll tell you what, I'll
just go to New York City and do it on
my own, or maybe Chicago. But I don't know that
any of that's actually true. It's all just the rumor
mill of the OU drama department.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: But I do know that he did not finish college
at OU, and he did go on to be obviously
a very famous actor.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes he did.
Speaker 4: Okay, So in that first time off for a second, Yeah,
do you want to talk about the casting and the
wrap around for Creep Show?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: Good point, Amanda. Let's talk about the prologue for Creep Show,
because you start off with a very famous guy. Yeah,
a very famous kid. Tell me about that.
Speaker 4: We got the god himself, Tom Atkins, whom I often
joke with my husband and I'm on the Tom Atkins diet.
Speaker 3: So he is pre stash, you guys.
Speaker 4: I still every time I watch the movie cannot get
over him without a mustache.
Speaker 3: Totally cracks me.
Speaker 4: Up what a mean so o b he is in
that prologue, he is just an absolutely awful person. And
I couldn't help think but when you were talking about
the ec comics thing, when you call him a bastard
like dude, like there might have been a little.
Speaker 3: Insto right there, exactly, thank you, right.
Speaker 4: And Tom Atkins character right there. But then the little
boy is played by Stephen King's own son, Joe Hill, that's.
Speaker 1: Right, who looks just like him, the world famous author himself,
right right, And yeah, Stephen King's son, if.
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, he does a lot of work on
that creep show show itself that's on Shutter. I think
he's heavily involved with that, so he kind of took
over and he that's not that's the pseudonym he writes under.
I can't remember his actual first name. But he's written
books and stuff too, so he's pretty entrenched in the
entertainment industry himself.
Speaker 3: But I think he.
Speaker 4: Went started going by Joe Hill just so he wouldn't
be accused of neapotism, thank you, thank you. But when
he actually slaps him in that scene too, it was
the makeup and stuff and his dad took him to
the store and the lady, the chucout lady at the
store actually called the cops. That's thought that he was
abusing his son. The planet was makeup work and stuff.
So yeah, good work on the part of the makeup
department on the movie for making it look that realistic.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. By the way, Tom Adkins thrilled me right
night of the Creeps Halloween the season of the Witch
Leath the weapons shot through carton of mill That's right,
Michael huntseicker.
Speaker 3: Only movie he's not playing a stud.
Speaker 2: So yes, prologs great. Before I watched the movie, I
was like, I know, with Twilight Zone, we've got a
we've got a prologue that'll get to you know, a
button at the end.
Speaker 1: And Jason was like, yeah, we've got it on Creep
Show too.
Speaker 2: So the kids reading the comic book and then of
course like this death zombie looking thing I noticed. I'm like, man,
I'm seeing an episode by episode as we're going through,
and George Romero is directing all of these, and every
single one of them has some undead being in it it.
Eventually he stops doing that. There there's no undead in
some of them. But but you get that undead guy
and then you get this cool transition into the cartoon
cartoon slash comic, and that's when you get the introductory credits.
Speaker 1: And then we move into Father's Day.
Speaker 4: Right because we get the crypt Keeper. What is that
called the crypt Keeper. It's called the crypt Keeper entails
for the crypt but the skeleton. And it's funny because
I was actually constructed from a real skeleton, a real
human skeleton, but they dressed up and stuff because it
was cheaper than buying a prop.
Speaker 3: So it was shipped from India.
Speaker 1: Wowow they what? Well? Wow? All right, Okay, that's stunning
right there. Okay, so also in Father's Day, I want
to point out Vivica lin Force. She plays Aunt Meadilia.
I believe she is a famous like classical actress. H
She started a movie in nineteen forty nine, Night unto Night.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Why that's interesting because her star was mister Ronald Reagan,
oh the actor.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Vice President Jerry Lewis.
Speaker 3: I gotta look up a picture of this now.
Speaker 1: And she was very pretty and even though she's super
kind of old and haggard in Creep Show, but very beautiful.
Speaker 3: And she she was a drunk, so let's give her
a little credit.
Speaker 1: I wanted to point out this other lady who's in it,
Elizabeth Reagan. She's Ed Harris's dancing partner, his wife, his wife.
I guess, yeah, this is basically the only thing she
ever does. Like, there's almost nothing else that she does, Okay,
like somebody buried her in sand, we never see her again.
Speaker 4: I actually took note this time when I was watching
it to prepare. I don't think she's that bad of
an actress. Like when she's begging her brother to go
out and with her husband, it looks very genuine. So
that's the only thing she ever did that's interesting.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think about this segment of Father's Day? Richard,
I'm scared and it's dark out there. Look, I just
want to get another bottle of the line.
Speaker 3: Okay, please, Richard.
Speaker 1: All right, come on, come on.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: I love it, And in doing research, it seems almost
like I might be a little bit the minority on
that one, but I love it.
Speaker 3: I just think it's great.
Speaker 4: I think that the creature effects are fascinating, how dumb
ed Harris is dancing, how he's just laying there with
a headstone coming down. He doesn't even try to move
the head on a planter. I just think the whole
thing's great. I love the makeup effects, the creature designed.
I love the whole thing. I think it's just a
really interesting story too.
Speaker 2: So do you love the camp like on campy movies?
Do you love the camp.
Speaker 3: It's done correctly?
Speaker 1: Yeah? To me always, I'm in the majority here.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, this is this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: This, the whole thing is ridiculous. But I will say this.
Speaker 2: I will say when the hand comes up out of
the ground, that was a good jump scare for me.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, it's a nice one, good one,
all right. Yeah, But it was the.
Speaker 3: Jack Daniels said it that brought him back, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, No, I just I don't I don't get it.
I don't know what the point of the story is.
Is like she killed him and he killed her back
and then killed the kids too.
Speaker 1: The fact that Ed Harris lays on his back while
that that stone is moving, moving, moving, because he's got
no choice.
Speaker 2: He gets up and faces the demon from how or
he gets he hopes that the thing doesn't fall.
Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, yeah, no, I was.
Speaker 2: I was in the same book roll over.
Speaker 1: You just roll over three.
Speaker 4: The mindset though that these are based on comic books
like in comic books are ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Father, I got my copy Father's.
Speaker 4: If they had tried to make this all serious, it
wouldn't be a come book movie.
Speaker 3: Then why call it creepshow?
Speaker 4: Why say it's based on comic books like it's it's
a different kind of movie.
Speaker 2: Listen, I just want to I want to be completely
transparent here. I had to hurry to get this movie done,
so I watched it on my phone at one and
a half speed, like I'm watching to get sped up,
and even sped up, I'm still going Edie Harris, what
are you doing?
Speaker 1: You have all of the time in the world.
Speaker 3: Go is that is funny? That is funny? I agree?
I agree.
Speaker 1: By the way, there's a cool prop in this segment
that is reused later. You know about this?
Speaker 4: Yep, every segment the ashtray that she'd be set in with,
it's it appears on every single segment.
Speaker 1: Plus, wow, I didn't astray that she kills him with
pretty cool huh. Yeah, that's great. I like that. Okay,
we done with that one. Yeah, let's talk about the
Lonesome Death of Jordy Viral. Sorrying, mister Stephen King himself,
Jordy Beryl, your buckhead. I found that interesting as a kid.
I was like, oh my gosh, that is Stephen King,
the guy who has written all these unbelievable stories, and
what a fantastic actor he is too.
Speaker 3: You're being facetious right now. I can tell.
Speaker 1: From Janet over there.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you about his face right now. He
is not serious.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So the name of this one is the is the
Lonesome Death of Jordie Beryl. There is a Bob Dylan
song called the Lonesome Death of Hattie Carol.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: I think it has to be taken from that, right,
Just fyi, Pattie Carol, Bob Dylan wrote a song about her.
She was a lady who was killed in nineteen sixty three,
African American lady who was killed by the rich son
of a tobacco farmer. And he got six months in
jail and was released. It was it was at the
time of gregation. It was at the time of he
wasn't even tried by a jury. It was a three
judge panel. And they gave him six months for assault
and that was it. Bob Dylan writes a song called
The Lonesome Death of Patti Carroll, and then Stephen King
writes a story in the seventies.
Speaker 1: So this appeared in Gallery magazine, which is about ten
notches down from Playboy.
Speaker 2: You know, so it makes Hustler look like Time, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was the way that we get Stephen
King movies into the world.
Speaker 2: Hey, he was a beginning writer doing his best to
feed his family. Whoever's willing to pay money for your story,
take the money and run.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's interesting. So George Romero talks
Stephen King into play in this part. Stephen King's like, dude,
I'm writing the story. I'm busy, I'm working on Christine.
I'm trying to finish Christine. And He's like, no, you
got to play this part. And so when he brought
him in to play it, he said, I want you
to play it just like Wiley Coyote.
Speaker 4: Yep, I have the exam well, because I think it's
so interesting, he said. I don't think Steve to they
has forgiven me because my only direction to him was
play it like the Roadrunner and the Warner Brothers cartoons.
Just go way out into left field with it and
exaggerate as much as you want to, he recalled, And
of course critics came back and said, well, this is
not a very subtle performance, and it's not supposed to be.
I mean, it's supposed to be a cartoon. It is
basically a cartoon. So again, d it is a cartoon,
it is a comic. It is you know, it's meant
to be that way.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, And I would argue, I'm going to push
back on this just a little bit. If this is
played serious, like a meteor from outer space comes and
you get an infection on your body where plants are
taking over your body and you cannot get wet or
else and you're covered with this itch. It's this great
rub of I have to shower, I can't shower. I
think it's super tense. It could be super scary, and
it's it's still scary, but it's it's it's really goofy.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's scary at all. I don't think
that was even the intention. Don't you think though, you know,
I think like if you think back to like you know,
fifties and sixties B movies, you know, the infestation of
the giant ants and the radioactive whatever. Like I think
that's more what it was meant to be, where it's like, okay,
imagine this worst case scenario, but the people are going
to make the worst decisions they possibly can make, you know,
And that's why they made him a dumb character. To
your point, if they had played it more serious, made
him a smarter guy or whatever. Are you really scared
that plants are going to take over the world? I
mean really scary? We all saw the happening.
Speaker 3: Like, was that scary?
Speaker 4: No? You know, so, I think they played it with
the right angle. I will say it's my least favorite
segment out of.
Speaker 3: All of them.
Speaker 1: Really, wow, I like this one. I mean yeah, I
like it because at the end it really does come
to a head and he blows his brain.
Speaker 2: Then you know, no, no, I just can't. I can't
support it. So the first story is this old lady
is coming back for Father's Day, the day that she
killed her father, and her father comes out of the
grave and kills her. That's the end of the story. Yes,
you got this story is a guy's he's a meteor,
he touches it, he gets grass on him, it gets
to grow over his whole body so much that he
decides to blow his brains out. He's itchy. That's the
beginning of a story. That's not the whole story. What
there's no there's nothing.
Speaker 4: What's left to the imagination though, because at the end
they talk about record level rainfalls, and you know, so
it's like, how many meters actually fell?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Did it happen all over the town, did it happen
all over the country, all over the world?
Speaker 3: Whatever? Is this the end of the world as we
know it?
Speaker 1: I don't think it's even I think that it lays
it out for us that the weeds are taking over.
We're one hundred and eighty eight miles from Boston and
there's a big rain coming, and so it is the
end of the world, which I thought was a really
cool transition.
Speaker 4: Five miles from Castle rack Cartiff Kingsavanian.
Speaker 1: There you go. Apparently it didn't because we have Kujo
next year. So there you go.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's next on our creep show timeline?
Speaker 1: All right? The very next one is called something to
Tide You Over? This star is a pre Cheers head
dancing and a pre police squad Leslie Nielsen, Richard, get
out of here. He's just getting revenge, Harry. We're all
the relatives and baked and stuff. Get mamas are pre
naked gun, pre naked gun. And that's basically it. You've
got a girl in there some what, but it's basically
these two guys you square off. This is my favorite one.
This is my absolute fa Yeah.
Speaker 2: The storyline on this is much better. Okay, it's still
not what I would call good, but it is much better.
Do you feel the hate count?
Speaker 3: I don't think we even have to do final judgment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I told you this is gonna be more like
Brave Heart and Gladiator. Okay, all right, I'm not. I'm
not just gonna ball out hate it, but it's there
is a little bit more to the story in this one.
You know, they can come back and they do it
to him. But again, I'm just like, I don't know,
I wanted something more. We're going to talk about the
stories in twilet Zone here in the middle, and I
will be able to tell you what was achieved there
that was not achieved here.
Speaker 1: So let's just talk about what happens in this one.
So you've got this guy named Richard Vickers who's played
by Leslie Nilson, who's rich, powerful, jealous, and ted Danson
has taken his wife, and so Richard's like, nobody takes
anything from me, mister right.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I love about Stephen King
is the way that he comes up with character names.
The guy's name is Richard Vickers and he's a rich
guy like that, just that's great. I love the He's
so good at naming these characters. In every book that
I've read of his, the characters always have fantastic names.
Speaker 1: So he comes to ted Danson and he plays a
little recorded clip and it's Becky who is like, oh
my gosh, she's got me. Come give me. He'll help me.
And he's like, what'd you do to her? I'm gonna
I'm gonna kill you. And he's like, oh, kill me.
And you'll never find out where you know. It's the
classic of You've got to come with me to find
out where she is. And they get in the car
and they take Leslie Nielsen's awesome jeep out to the beach.
Is awesome.
Speaker 4: It is awesome, right, You can't skip over the fact
in this segment though, that when Leslie Nielsen shows up.
It's one of my favorite things about the movies or
about the movie that Ted Danson is in a robe
and Leslie Nielsen gives him time to change into a
multi layered corduroy outfit before they leave. I think it's
hilarious thinking about him sitting in the living room like
you ready yet.
Speaker 1: Ted Danson also threatens him at the very beginning. He's like,
move your foot, buddy, I bench pressed three hundred pounds
a month. No you don't.
Speaker 3: That is a lie, right, good stuff.
Speaker 1: May Day Malone does not bench three hundred pounds. So
they drag him out to the beach. Leslie Nilsen pulls
a gun on him, tells him to get in the hole.
There's like a giant hole built in the beach, and
so ted Dance is like, no way, I'm not doing it,
and he fires a bullet. So that's the question you
have to ask yourself. Would I take the bullet? Would
I take my chances in the hole?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I totally run and straight at the guy.
There's no way you don't see what's coming.
Speaker 1: In this scenario, I would take my chances with the
sand I feel like I could wiggle my way out
of sand.
Speaker 3: Ooh, your kids have never buried you in sand. I
might be wrong, but especially what sand that's concrete.
Speaker 1: Down your feet?
Speaker 3: Is concrete?
Speaker 2: Oh sir, yes, but unless you happened to bench three
hundred pounds so ted dance and should have gotten out.
Speaker 1: I'm given the ten foot running start at Leslie Nilson.
I'm betting he can hit you from there with a
with a gun, I know, but I might be able
to take him down after he hits me. I'm not
going to incapacitate myself voluntarily a chance. He also lies
to him and says, if you'll do this, I just
want to incapacitate you, and I'll tell you where she is.
I thought she's you know. He said, I'll let you
see her. I'll let you see. He doesn't lie, he
doesn't relies. Yeah, so he does incapacitate him, and he
does show her to him through the wonderful technology of VCR.
On the beach.
Speaker 2: There's like a five mile cord that he's got rolling
out of the back.
Speaker 1: Just in case you was like, how do you get
power on the beat?
Speaker 2: You? Well, we rolled it in, sir. We have cables
on a spool.
Speaker 1: Right by the way. Ted Danson had just shot the
pilot for this TV show. I don't know if you
ever heard of it. Nope, cheers. Oh was he in that?
How about that? But I love that story.
Speaker 4: Nilsen lifting off the old Fox TV like it's nothing
like it's a TV nowadays.
Speaker 3: That thing had to weigh one hundred and fifty pounds.
Speaker 2: Ago it was a two people job to move the
TV around in the living room.
Speaker 1: Remember that? Yep?
Speaker 3: Well maybe he bunches benches three hundred pounds too.
Speaker 1: And then well he shows Ted dancing that Becky you know,
was in the hole as well, and the tide was
coming in and she had to fight to keep from drowning.
Speaker 2: Live feed that VCER back there is on record, not play.
Speaker 1: And then and then he asked him, you know, how
long can you hold your breath? That to me is
super tense. I love this story. I think it's great. Yep, yes, yeah,
it's better. Yeah better?
Speaker 4: Did you get the hevgbs when they just kept showing
his head though, Like I felt like claustrophobic because I
started thinking about that because I have been buried in
sand at the beach. You know, playfully obviously, and it's
like you can't move. It's like concrete. So it's like
I was, especially if you're vertical like that, and he
had a neil and he was right, you have no leverage.
Your arms are down at your side, You're not getting
out of there. Like so I was literally like getting
a little clauster foback just sitting there watching that.
Speaker 2: I will tell you that the effect that they did
where his head is completely under the water and he's
gasping for breath, that was intense. That was a great shot.
That was an intense shot. You're wondering what's going to happen?
How is he going to get out of this?
Speaker 1: And then it.
Speaker 2: Cuts away to Leslie Nielsen watching it on his you know,
on his cameras at the house comes back and Leslie
Nielson is like, well, he must have washed away with
the tide because he can't find the body.
Speaker 4: When I had mentioned earlier about the best shot in
the movie, Yeah, that's my favorite shot.
Speaker 3: When it's back lit comic book style.
Speaker 4: Okay, but it's backlit in his hair and the way
the bubbles are going up the way they're supposed to whatever, Like,
how did they do that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just talked about it.
Speaker 2: Actually, he said that they had an aquarium, put him
in a wet suit and like somebody would hand him
a breather and he'd But how.
Speaker 4: Did they hair like because we're pre cgi were pre Like,
I don't think.
Speaker 1: She was in the water.
Speaker 3: Pretty cool shot, Like, I don't know. I just think
it's the coolest shot in the movie.
Speaker 1: That's great. Did you hear the backup plan for the effects,
So they had a guy with the scuba gear thing
and in case they ran into problems, Tom Sevini had
a sledgehammer. He's gonna bash the aquarium. Oh good, okay, yeah,
sounds like a good safe plan. Let's do this thing.
Speaker 3: Always had a backup job. I always had a backup.
Speaker 1: Also, rumor has it that Leslie Nilsen, before they would
start filming, he had a little fart maker and I
can't even say with that cracking up, but right before
they he'd say okay, action, he'd make a little far
He would constantly be cracking up Ted dancing. That's hilarious.
By the way, the end of the scene when Ted
dancing and Becky come back. You know, zombie fide First
of all, they zombie up. They look pruney, overly pruney,
you know, for being in the water for two hours.
And then he shoots them and like soy sauce comes
out of their head. I think they're also moving extremely slow.
And you're gonna tell me that they like dug a
hole and chased him around and grabbed him and put
him in there.
Speaker 2: Well, but I mean part of this is that they
they have the magic of being undead because on all
of the cameras when it would show you the camera shot,
they weren't in it. You didn't see them in the
camera shot.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: They they're like a ghost. This is like a ghost post,
a Tailtale heart kind of thing. Where is Leslie Nielsen
really being attacked by zombies or is it just his
psychological breakdown?
Speaker 1: Interesting? Yeah, I can hold my breath a long time.
Or is Frank Drevin just having a terrible nightmare? Okay,
we on to the next one. Yeah, the next one's
called the Crate. This was actually the longest segment at
forty minutes. They said that this was supposed to be
number three, but they pushed it to number four because
they didn't want it to drag in the middle.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, in my opinion, it batted cleanup. This is
the best one of them all for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. This stars Hal Holbrook, Adrian Barbo, and Fluffy.
Fluffy is the name that they gave the creature from
the Crate. Okay, all right. I sent you guys a
picture yesterday. You know, there's this creature who lives in
a crate. They got him at the in the Arctic.
I'm like, we've never seen a creature like this, or
have we? And I sent you a picture of the
Bumble from the Rootolph the Red Nose reindeer special Bumbles.
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. They based it on a Yuie, so they nailed it.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean it was.
Speaker 2: It was supposed to be from an Arctic expedition from
June nineteen, eighteen thirty four, and I looked that up
and I was like, nothing happened on that. Like literally,
if you look up the date, the first thing that
comes up is the create Wikipedia site. So that's the
only event that happened. That's of note is that they
put that on the crate. But what is interesting is
right before this movie came out, Adrian Barbeo had the
sole female appearance in another movie that we've talked about
that dealt with an Arctic expedition and a monster.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is, I do tell me it was the thing. Yeah,
and she played the voice of the computer. That's right,
she was the voice of the computer. She was also
married to John Carpenter at the time. I believe she was. Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 4: Special effects were done by Rob Mutine, who also designed
the skeleton Cryptkeeper at the beginning of Creep Show.
Speaker 1: Oh nice, there you go. Adrian Barboau was also in
this movie called Canniball Run. Oh yeah, yes, starring Burt Rolls,
and we covered that season one we did. You can
go back and listen to that versus Smoking in the Bandit.
You also have Hal Holbrick, though, I want to bring
attention to him. We had a great conversation about this.
Speaker 2: He's like, do you have any you have any trivia
on how Holbrook And I was like, well, he's on
The Golden Girls and You're like, yeah, you told me that.
I'm like, wait a minute. It was not the Golden Girls,
it was the Southern Golden Girls.
Speaker 1: What is that show? And he was like, the Southern
Golden Girls. I'm like, yeah, you know, it's like any women.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, Southern Golden Girls.
Speaker 2: Four smart ass slightly older than normal ladies, giving it
their best. I know it well enough to say that
I watched the show and how Wolbrook was a part
of that show.
Speaker 4: The way you just said that, slightly smarter than or
slightly older than normal ladies.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to say normal ladies and TV
shows of the day, older than normal middle aged? They
were middle aged. How about that.
Speaker 4: I'm coming up on a golden age myself here in
the age they were in that show, turned down.
Speaker 1: The barrel of half a century. I know, happy birthday,
here you go. Hal Holbrick in two thousand and eight,
at age eighty two, is the oldest actor ever nominated
for an Academy Award. Okay, little tidbit on hal Holbrook
was married to Dixie Carter, who's in Designing One. Yeah, yeah,
that was his wife. Okay, how about that. Nepotism comes
right back up the.
Speaker 4: Night the lights out in Georgia favorite taxi Carter line.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you asked me what hal Holbrook was nominated
for an Academy Award for, Yes, and I was like,
I don't know some movie in two thousand and seven,
one I probably don't care about or never heard of.
Not true. Right, it's a movie called Into the Wild,
and it's amazing. We just talked about this again. We
talked about Meal Hirst, we talked about a week ago.
That's right. It's crazy how these things coming up. And
I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 2: Arlen, who's who's been a listener since we since day one,
called me to talk about our best of Best Songs
of nineteen ninety four as I was driving over here today, right,
and he brought up a Meal Hirsch as well. I
don't even know why. I don't know how he came up.
But we're talking to Meal Hirsch and I'm like, okay, buddy,
I gotta let you go. I'm about to go in
and record on Creep Show versus Twilight Zone.
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, I love both of those movies.
I love both those movies.
Speaker 2: He's like, when you go in and say, tell them
to call you Billy.
Speaker 1: Call me Belly. Everyone else does. By the way, this
is the one movie where Adrian Barbo's boobs could not
pull her out of being a likable person. No, she's
horrible in this movie.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. And we've all known somebody like her. Actually,
her performance in this like as she's reading the letter
you got to you gotta think you have his voice
over and her reading this letter and kind of moving
around in the kitchen as she reads the letter, and
her delight and excitement at the misfortune of others is
so palatable and so well done. She's I feel like
she's an underrated actress. Maybe her boobs held her back somewhat.
Speaker 3: And she celebrates them. That's a light with a glass
of milk.
Speaker 1: Yep. You know. She starred in a movie in nineteen
eighty two called Swamp Thing, which was very much like
the Death of Jordi Verral. That's true. Yeah, there you go.
Her boobs were more prominent than that one. That movie
was rated PG.
Speaker 2: I know, thank you cause I got to watch it
as it was like Airplane for you exactly like I'm
watching them, like, oh wow, I get this in a movie.
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to watch. This is fantastic. It's totally okay, mom,
because it's PG.
Speaker 4: We you can thank Pultzer guys for PG thirteen. So
grip a guy's face off.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go on to the next one. The next
segment is called They're Creeping up on You. This star
is mister E. G. Marshall. I've got this bug problem.
Once you get budged, you never get rid of breed.
In the close paces the conuits, very core of building.
Speaker 2: Itself, almost exclusively. This is like a one man show,
I mean, except for you know, people on the intercom
on the on the telephone, right, And then a one
brief where he and it's a greatly it is very
well done bit where he's talking to the maintenance man
on the other side of the door and they're talking
through a little piece of glass that looks like it
must be a magnifying glass. So as you move perspectives
you see their mouths enlarged to kind of gross graphic
proportions as they're talking. But he does this whole thing
basically by himself.
Speaker 1: He's awesome in it.
Speaker 2: It's really good. I mean, this is a I mean,
this is a guy who's in twelve Angry Men. This
is the guy who played the president in Superman two.
And the lights aren't twinkling Clark all right. Art from
Christmas Vacation. Thanks Art no, and thanks for noticing.
Speaker 1: He's a horrible person too, and his delight in other
people's problems is he's gleeful. Oh it's terrible. You want
him to die. He's like, so your husband went on
with a bang. Eh, yeah, he.
Speaker 4: Could be best friends in a character we're going to
talk about Twilight, soe that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he's a horrible and obviously this is based
on Howard Hughes, who is a germophobe and he's got
all these you know, he starts to see bugs in
his apartment and he's like, I'm paying thirty two hundred
bucks for the penthouse apartment. This is supposed to be
germ free, and how can it be germ free if
it's not even bug free? He's got cockroaches. And I
remember as a kid on my way out to catch
the school bus, I was watching Good Morning in America
with my mom and they showed the preview for this
and it was like the weird guy with a big
mustache on Good Morning in America and he was show
he showed a clip where cockroaches were taking over and
it was like gonna kill, you know, killing this guy,
And I was horrified. As a little kid going to school.
And I mean, this is this is super intense. It's
gross and it's scary and you can feel it coming.
Speaker 4: So apparently they imported all the cockroaches from Trinidad because
if they would have purchased them in the States, they
would have been like fifty cents a piece, so it
was cheaper to bring them in from Trinidad. They brought
in about eighteen thousand of them and then had a
trailer on set where they bread the cockroaches because they
needed so many of them. And there is article after
article about how you cannot control the coach.
Speaker 3: Cockroach does not act.
Speaker 1: They had to.
Speaker 4: Cover the walls and back basilin to keep them from
climbing the walls. Oh my gosh, they did not recover
nearly as many as they released on this set.
Speaker 3: They were all over the place.
Speaker 4: They would pick up the phone, they'd hear him in
the handsets and the and.
Speaker 1: I mean I would burn that place to the ground.
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, but cockroaches nuclear war, you know, I
mean they're going to survive that too. I just the
whole segment grosses me out so bad.
Speaker 1: They laugh at your vasolene attempts.
Speaker 3: To cut it, yeah, right, And originally they wanted the set.
Speaker 4: Romeiro wanted the set to be a fully carpeted apartment,
but they knew that wasn't going to work for the
cockroaches either, which I think is a good call because
if he was a germophobe.
Speaker 3: Germophobes to that degree aren't going to have carpeting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The the stark white of everything in the apartment, in
the pentast apartment is a great effect, and I think
that it is accentuated by the fact that they have
that one old school jukebox just in the middle of it.
Like it's not like he's really enjoying the music that much,
but for some reason, having that thing right there makes
it more real than if he was in a completely sanitary,
sterile environment.
Speaker 1: That'd be the one prop I want from this movie
that that jewbox is amazing. It's pretty cool. Full of cockroaches. Now,
by the way, so the end scene where he of
course is consumed by the cockroaches, there's this incredible effect
where like his neck opens up and all these cockroaches
come pouring out, And I wondered, like, how did they
get that effect? Well, I guess Tom Savini had like
this giant fat syringe full of cockroaches and he just
pushed the little plunger and they just almost out of
the guy's neck.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, and the as the scene went on,
it became very obvious that he had a dummy. It
was no longer right there, right as that scene began,
and he was actually dying. There's a moment where like
his forehead swells up and it's still him, Like it's
still it's still his head, it's the actor's head. And
I see it swell up as though the cockroach is
moving under his skin. And I'm like, that's the best
effect in this whole dang movie. That was incredible.
Speaker 1: I don't know practice effects, amen, sister.
Speaker 4: I miss those days, man, because CGI gets outdated tomorrow.
None of these effects look out data to me looks like.
Speaker 1: The video for black Hole Sun. That's right, okay. And
then we get the epilogue afterwards, right, this is when
little Joe Hill has got a voodoo doll that he's
sticking it to his dad.
Speaker 2: Finally, well, the I you, they totally bait you with that, right.
They give the foreshadowing because the garbage men who find
the comic book. They're like, oh, you can, you know,
do this Joe Atlas thing, or you can do this.
You can get these extra glasses. Now those don't actually work.
Oh you can order do all. It looks like somebody
or already ordered the voodoo. That was cool, right, wink
nudge yep. And once again those garbage men. One of
those guys is Tom Savini, the makeup effects guy for
Creep Show.
Speaker 1: And then I love it that.
Speaker 4: He has little cameos in a lot of movies he
does because you know, he was in Dawn of the
Dada as well as one of the bikers and stuff.
I just love having that little rough edge that he has.
So a pleasant surprise because I forgot about him being
a garbage until I saw it again.
Speaker 1: Sound nice nice? Okay, So that pretty much wraps up
Creep Show. I do have a couple of little nuggets
I want to drop on you. They originally were going
to release this for Halloween. They didn't release it until
like November tenth, eleventh, something like that in nineteen eighty
two because they were scared off because Halloween three season
of The Witch was coming out.
Speaker 2: For our listening audience, our guest host today, Amanda Janek
is wearing a Halloween two T shirt right now.
Speaker 1: My favorite one, Halloween three is the one with that
crazy song that still haunts my dreams. But they were
scared off because they thought that was going to be
the big hit, right, and it turned out people didn't
really like not having Michael Myers in a Halloween movie.
Speaker 2: It turns out right the'son the Witch can go suck
an eggsurgence.
Speaker 3: Don't kid yourself.
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, Season of the Witch, I don't.
Did we mention the fact that Tom Adkins is in. Yeah,
tom Adkins big player in season the Witch. But they
moved it back to November twelfth, which is typically holiday kids,
you know, Snoopy and Thanksgiving and all that stuff, And
so you have kind of a creepy, scary movie in
mid November. Also, I thought this was cool for good luck.
Throughout the filming of Creep Show, Stephen King kept a
Star Wars action figure of Greedo in his pocket.
Speaker 2: That's a weird character to choose.
Speaker 1: It is weird. That is strange. It is weird.
Speaker 2: Unshot first, but first, so I'm listening to what you're saying.
I'm like, these sound like terrible ideas. This was the
highest grossing Warner Brothers horror movie of the year and
second weekend it first Blood out.
Speaker 1: Of the top spot. Wow. That is no small achievements. Okay,
so that's gonna do it For this first episode of
Creepshow versus Twilight Zone, Amanda, thank you for coming on.
You're coming back next week to do part two with us?
Speaker 3: You bet?
Speaker 1: I can't wait, all right? Awesome? Okay, thanks guys, we'll
see you next week.