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Speaker 1: What is a fellow sickos. I am Dana Valley coming

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at you with another four five NBA look Ahead. We

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the pleasure of speaking with the managing editor of the

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Kings Herald at Greg Wissinger. Follow him on Twitter at

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podcast and YouTube descriptions we get into all things Sacramento Kings.

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It was a blast picking his brain, as always, Lots

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Kings with Gregist. Greg, Welcome back to the Hardwarknox podcast.

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This is the fifth year I think you've done the

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Kings look Ahead with me. I believe it's at least

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the fourth, but I'm pretty sure it's the fifth.

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Speaker 2: Only it feels so much longer.

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Speaker 1: That's rude, but I take it coming back, so I'm

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going to allow it.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing, man, I'm doing great. Thanks for

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having me back.

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Speaker 1: H Yeah, I was excited to have you back to

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talk about the sacrament we'll call them. I'll ascribe them

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to your Sacramento Kings as well as Grant Sacramento Kings.

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Kings fans hate Grant, I love it. I've actually had

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some of the most positive interactions just overall on social media,

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which I do not use too much anymore. It has

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been with the Kings fan base over the past few years.

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I would think like there are certain teams like Nuggets

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and Thunder fans love me because I was high on

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their team like before. Now Nuggets fans probably hate me

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because lower on their team. But Kings fans have always

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been like relative to fan base. I think they've been

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the most fair and like engaging, like in a good

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way with me. So shout out to Kings fans.

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Speaker 2: We're very self aware in our shortcomings. I think that

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helps well.

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Speaker 1: I did. I did call Kings fan an asshole this year,

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which was definitely an overreaction to what they were saying.

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He just caught me on a bad night.

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Speaker 2: I deserved it. It's fine. We've moved on, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you did come back. So there was some other

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choice where it's there, but I threw those in Greg's

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d M. So some of these Kings I want to

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just start with last year where they only win two

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fewer games, but they just felt so much different than that.

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The offense was clearly worse. What what was there? Like,

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there was a ton of factors, including Kevin Herder's play.

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Injury towards the end of the season was a big

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one for them with Molchan Herder out. What was just

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sort of like the contribute the biggest contributing factor to

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why they regressed so much on offense or why last

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season went the way it did.

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Speaker 2: Overall, I think it was a combination of two main factors.

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The first one was that I just don't think they

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were catching people by surprise anymore. You know, the people

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kind of knew what to expect with the Kings. You

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saw a lot of teams kind of scheming to take

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away some of the dribble handoff that the Kings had

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relied on so much the year before, So there was

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kind of an adjustment to opponents stepping up and preparing

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to play them seriously every night. I think the Kings

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themselves were also trying some new things, like trying to

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get away from being reliant on the dribble hand of

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trying to have more effort on defense, and just the

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combination of all those things. You know, a little bit

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of regression on some of the three point shooting, especially

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like you said, Kevin Herder, there was a lot of things,

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and it was in a lot of ways let down

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to win two for a game and not you know,

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not make it out of the plan. But I think

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one of the other big factors was really just that

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the West was a lot better last year than the

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year before. Like the West was really uncharacteristically weak two

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years ago, and last year was kind of return to form,

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you know, forty eight wins two years ago. The Kings

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with the three seed forty six wins. Last year, the

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Kings were in the play in fighting for their life

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with other forty six and forty seven win teams, so

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just a much harder conference, so that it made it

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seem a little bit less successful of a season, even

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though like I said, it really wasn't all that different,

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you know, overall as far as terms of wins.

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Speaker 1: So when you look at moving into this season, I've

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been asking everyone said they can take wherever they want,

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what their biggest storyline is that they're tracking. But I

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feel like you can correct me if I'm wrong. I'd

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be interested on a pitch that's not this answer. But

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it's clearly just what is Debar de Rosen's fit going

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to be or how does it look with this team? Right?

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And so where where you thought of it at? Don't

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all that so just the move itself, Like what was

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your reaction to that?

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Speaker 2: I was thrilled with the move. I mean, I think

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it's a great move overall, especially when you look at

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the cost of you know, what the Kings gave up

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to get Tomarto Rows and I mean he is still

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an excellent player, even at his age. He's really good

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and he brings to the table a lot of the

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things that the Kings were missing last year, some of

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the things that caused the offense to stall out, you know.

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So he really solves a lot of their issues as

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far as needing another creator, needing someone else who can

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find another shot, giving them another option in the clutch,

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like it just makes them so much harder to scheme

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against in just one way. It gives them a lot

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more Look, so I'm really excited about it, and I

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don't feel like giving up Harrison Barnes and Chris tu

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Art is really very much to give up. And I

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think how people evaluated the loss of Harrison Barnes told

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me a lot this summer about who was watching the

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Kings and who wasn't, because there was some interesting takes

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flying around there. But for what it cost, and the

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Kings still have, you know, they they didn't give up

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any first round picks. They still have Kevin Hurder. Yeah,

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so good job, bulls. So I mean they still have

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the tools to make another move. I was hoping they

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would do another move this summer. But you know, even

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if it's at the deadline or whenever it might be,

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the Kings still have the ammunition to do another move.

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They didn't spend every trade asset under the sun just

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to get to Martin Rows, and if they had done that,

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it's a fantastic move. Now, there are obviously questions with it,

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and I think some of those questions are avout. You know,

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what's the defense going to look like? Uh, you know,

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who's how does the ball get distributed? Because now you've

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got a lot of guys who like the ball in

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their hand. I think those are good problems to have.

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work out. But overall, I think it's a good move.

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Speaker 1: Well, looking at the positive is the one you mentioned

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already does Is there one thing though that like you

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think will end up being the most impactful, even if

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it's just like their free through times very plummeted last year,

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and like, if you're not going to get to the

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rim and they weren't getting the rim is often either

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to get home from DeRos, who yeah, he's gonna get

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to the basket of the time, but he still just

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draws fouls.

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Speaker 2: And that's huge. I mean the Kings last year, they're

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leading free throw attempts for Gammas Darren Fox at five

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point seven, and the Rosen gets last year was like

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eight point seven. I think eight point two is something

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like that. It was in the eights. It's like he

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is faring away their best at getting to the line,

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drawing fouls, uh you know, which helps you with then

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getting your opponent in foul trouble. And he actually makes

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his free throws, which the Kings also really struggled with,

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so you know, he not only will get to the line,

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but actually make some of those. That plus just the

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that ability to create his own shot in isolation. The

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Kings didn't have a lot of that. I mean, Monk

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sometimes Fox sometimes that was about it. No one else

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on that team was creating their own shot in isolation,

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like and not to the level that DeRozan can.

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Speaker 1: Is there are we gonna see like dribble handoff run

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between Derosen and the Bonus and the paint. I just

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feel like they're gonna be that low when they run it.

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I just I I need to see it. I hope

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so too. That's what I'm I don't know if that'll

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be the biggest impact. That's the thing I want to

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see the most. What is if you have, like what

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would be your biggest concern if you had isolate it

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down about the fit, Like what would be the potential

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biggest warp for you?

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Speaker 2: Uh, I would probably go with the defense. I mean,

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I do think that the defense of criticism against DeRozan

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is maybe a little overblown because when you look at

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like defensive ratings and stuff like that, which obviously has

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a lot of team noise in there as well, but

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like Derozen had a better defensive rating than Harrison Barns

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last year. Like again, Harrison Barnes was not in any

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way a plus defender, and so I don't know that,

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you know, swapping DeRozan for Barnes, I don't know how

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much that hurts the defense. I do think that it

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can cause issues depending on certain matchups. So I'm curious

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to see what that impact is. But I'm also kind

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of excited because, like, if the Kings go back to

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being an elite offense and can stay a middle of

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the pack like defense as opposed to a bottom of

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the pack defense, that's a pretty exciting team and I'll

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be excited to root.

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Speaker 1: For that I guess was that the take where people

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I'm just so far removed from that stile. I guess

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that they thought the Kings were losing an elite defender

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in Harrison Barnes or something of that, like what the

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Speaker 2: There were some pundits that we're talking about how much

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the Kings were gonna miss Harrison Barnes defense.

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Speaker 1: So I actually think the Rosen is worse defensively than

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last year's version of Harrison Barnes, just because you have

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to go to greater lengths to and I don't you

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have to instantly Harrison Barnes too, But the stuff that

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he they asked him to do was just like, oh,

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you shouldn't be doing that, where it's like with the

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Rosen like no, no, he can't, Like I just don't know.

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got to share the floor with Alex Caruso at points there.

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at the I looked at it as I don't know

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if it's a perfect offensive fhit, but Tomorrows is an

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elite offensive player, which Harrison Barnes, if he ever was one,

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like that's just not him, and so it's a in talent.

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Like to me, it was a very clear upgrade, and

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I think I over romanticize swaps. That was the thing

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that gave me. Paulse like that swap is really far away,

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and it's like, we want teams that are good to

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go for it now, and to give up a swap

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for Demarta Rosen, who's still all star caliber, you want

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to throw him in that vein like it is a

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perfectly reasonable cost. So that I'm like, I'm totally on

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board with the move. Who do you think will benefit

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most on this team though? From him being here?

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Speaker 2: That is a good question, Like as far as who

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he compliments the most.

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Speaker 1: Either compliments or makes their job easier when it's like, oh,

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it's like Darren fosking to take more like catch and

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shoot open threes or something rather than having to work

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so hard for his shot. Could be something like that.

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Speaker 2: I definitely think it helps Fox the most because it's

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is still a willing passer and can find Fox for

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kickouts or whatever else. But I think more than anything,

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it gives you another option that the defense absolutely has

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to respect and pay attention to. I think there are

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late game situations, teams would just like zero in on

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Fox knowing that like that's where the ball's going. It's

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Fox or Monk, and you don't really have to guard

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anyone else too close. And just one more especially late game,

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close situation option who is deadly efficient like that, I

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think opens up a lot of possibilities in the close game.

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I think that taking some of that pressure off of

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Fox as being the guy who has to save the

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team if they're down to like, that's a huge help.

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I think.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's totally anecdotal? Probably has the prettiest

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jumper of anyone who sucks it hitting threes. I'm just like,

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who has like the esthetics on their jumper like he does.

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That's not been a good three point shooter.

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Speaker 2: Ben Mackmore the most beautiful release I've ever seen, and

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he betrayed us. I mean, I've got that one off

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the dome.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, so when you look at though, the like

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the the Big three Trio, whatever you want to call it,

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who do you think ends up having to make the

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most adjustments, though because Derosen's in town.

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Speaker 1: These ends are might just be Derozane himself because he's

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the one joining a new team. But whose game do

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you see being having to adapt the most because of

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the way the Kings are set up right now.

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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be interesting. I think it's actually

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gonna be fairly spread across all of them. I think

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I think you're gonna see like Sabanas will probably take

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fewer shots. Fox will probably take fear shots like one

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can heard her probably, you know, like if everyone's taking

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a shot or two less per game, that gives you

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the rozen shots, and he might be taking a shot

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or too less than he did before as well. I

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think it's going to be kind of an impact across

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the board, which could impact some of the counting stats,

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and then people will be like, oh, look it's worse,

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you know, but or it hurt this guy. But if

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I had to focus in on one guy though, that

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I think is kind of the obvious candidate who would

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be negatively impacted at least in his role on offense

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is gonna be Keay Murray. Uh yeah, he kind of

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goes from being you know, like the third or fourth

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option to being the fourth or fifth option offensively, which

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I think is a fair concern, But I also think

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that it allows him to be opportunistic. And you know,

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that's how they used him in his rookie year and

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he was fantastic. Is just like, all right, I can

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just sit here and hit open threes when the defense

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forgets about me, Like that's cool. Uh. And he obviously

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showed a lot of development in his offense last year

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in ability to, you know, kind of create his own shot.

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And I think long term, getting to like learn from

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Derozen and practice with him every day and kind of

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see how he creates shots, I think that would be

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beneficial long term. But I think this season probably see

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a little step back at least offensively from Kigy Murray.

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Speaker 1: If you can't tell, I'm still thinking a lot about

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this move months later, What like type of staggering patterns

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between the top players would you anticipate to have, whereas

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I I've even in terms of I initially thought, oh, well,

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Fox might spend the most time independent of Sabonis and

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de Rosen, but then I'm like, eh, like you have

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this bonus like Monk chemistry, so it will really be

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it'll really be SA bonus maybe independent too, Like what

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do you I'm assuming there'll be some trial and error

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that they'll try different stuff out, But if if you

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had to anticipate anything on that front, what would it be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be the big question. I don't know

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what that's gonna look like. Uh, you know, Mike Brown

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was pretty rigid with his rotations last season, but Frozen's

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a pretty big piece to then work into those, and

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so I'm really curious to see how that staggering works.

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I would not be surprised at all if we do

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see kind of a stagger where when Fox is coming off,

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Monk is going in especially earlier in games, because you know,

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can still move the ball around good good distributor, but

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also a scoring through it. So I think that those

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I think Fox and Monk will play sparingly together throughout games,

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but will likely be in their late games. Still, Yeah,

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I'm very curious to see. I mean, I think the

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tricky part is that right now you're kind of penciling

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in the rosen as basically the small forward you know,

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in the lineups, and they've got a lot of options

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that can play one or two and not a lot

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of options with the three, So I don't know how

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much the guard staggering is gonna impact or be tied

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to DeRos.

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Speaker 1: These questions loaded because of how the off season unfolded.

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But were you surprised? I think in retrospect, seeing how

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the off season unfold that it's not a surprise that

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early bird rights were enough to keep Malik Monk, But like,

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give me out quickly that news came that he was

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staying with the Kings, like did that because it felt

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like a lot of people were just pens like, oh,

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like no, that's not the four years and seventy six,

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like that's not gonna be enough to keep him. So

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were you pleasantly surprised that he's actually back?

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Speaker 2: Yes and no. I always felt strangely comfortable that he

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was likely to stay, And really that just came down

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to there weren't that many teams with the space to

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offer more, and I thought the biggest threat was Orlando.

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That was the big unknown. I just wasn't sure if

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they would want to throw that big a contract in

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the current CBA environment. At one guy, I thought they'd

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try to split it up and they ended up just

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basically thrown into KCPN then running otherwise running it back

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with all their guys. But so I was happily surprised

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when the announcement came before free agency. That was the

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surprise for me was that he locked that in even

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before the draft. I thought that was the big surprise.

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I thought he would at least go out and test

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the market and it'd be, you know, a few days

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of dramas we waited to see if some team would

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step up with an offer. I always thought that it

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was a pretty good chance he would come back, but

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I was really shocked that he took it before even

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actually hitting free agency.

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Speaker 1: That ended up being one of the few predictions I

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got right, was that he was going to be back

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because I didn't see you mentioned Orlando was the only

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team that I could see throwing money at him, and

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I just didn't think they would do that. But he

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sort of might have been the harbinger for just like

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dudes that maybe you thought were gonna get a lot

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of money didn't. Because that news comes before free agency,

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I think you look at just all the other we

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I call it weird stuff that happened where it's like

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Simoti Fontechio got eight million dollars and Malik Beasley got

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six and Gary Trent funiors on the minimum, and just

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such a bizarre off season which I think probably worked

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out in the King's favorite. At this point, uh does

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Maliite Monk's role shift at all, though, following the addition

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of uh Derozen.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't expect a big change. I think it's gonna

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be pretty similar. I think he's still going to be

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in that sixth man role. I still think that he's

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likely to be in there in late game situations more

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often than not, so I think it's gonna be pretty similar.

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I think the biggest difference is just if he's not

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having a great night, there's less pressure to still keep

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him in and crunch time because you have other crunch

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time options with Drozen.

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Speaker 1: Now you mentioned Kegan Murray kind of developing offensively last year.

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The way he played on defense just forced me to

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recalibrate what I think this player can actually become. That dude,

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especially like before the emergence of Keana guarded everybody and

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it was just absurd. What was stood out most to

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here was most impressive about the deal I would call

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like a defensive leap he made last year.

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Speaker 2: It was a leap absolutely, I mean just from what

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we expected when he was drafted to what even showed

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as a rookie. It was a night and day difference

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what he was able to do last season. I mean,

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he was guarding everyone from you know, smaller guys like

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stuff to bigger guys down low. He was guarding Lebron.

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I mean, so he was guarding one to four.

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Speaker 1: John Collins was his center. At one point, he was

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guarding John Collins in the game.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, Yeah, just whoever you want to throw him at all, right,

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there you go, like he can go lock him up.

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And him having that gear, I mean I didn't see

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it coming at all, but it completely changes his value

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and what he can be for the King's long term

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because his size, his offensive ability, his shooting like that

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was valuable. That was good. But like if people had

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known that he was going to be this good a

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defender as well, I think the Kings would have taken

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a lot less flack for taking him third. I think

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it would have been a little bit more like should

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he be one, should he be two? Like, no worse

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than three? Like I think that that conversation would have

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been a little bit different, but it's that was one

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of my favorite surprises of last season is just how

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good he was defensively and just using his length, using

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his body, his you know, his positioning, because he's a

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really smart guy. He's got good size. You know, I

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don't think he'll ever be among the elite elite just

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from a I mean, I shouldn't say it. I didn't

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think he'd ever be able to stay in front of staff,

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and he did the last season, So what do I know?

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But you know, I don't know that his footspeed will

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ever allowed him to be the absolute cream of the

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crop defensively. But he's a very very good defender and

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it definitely flew unto the raidar last season.

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Speaker 1: I think even some of the stuff he covered up

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for around the basket, not as like a primary room protector,

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but as a helper or someone coming like recovering. I

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won't I'm not going to predict this, but like I

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just won't rule out like all defense for him at

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some point. I mean that the ten best one of

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the ten best defenders in the league is like a

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pretty high bar. But you just if you just watched

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him at all, like you could just chop her in

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for like a game or two, and you'd be like,

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holy fuck, like this kid, and I did not see,

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Like I guess you might have saw a hint of

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it as a rookie, but I just I was in

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like flabbergasted by it for basically the entire year, and

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everything I wrote about the Kings was like the it

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had to be the Kig Murray defensively was like the

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qualifier because it was, like I just I still so

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speechless over it. And so I don't even know what

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his ceiling is now, and I do wonder he already

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touched upon this with the offense, like his role is

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probably gonna be, if you want to call it, more

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streamlined or a little bit marginalized. He does at least

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play away where he could still score like twenty points

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a game doing that, and if he's comfortable maybe not

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being on the ball as much, if you look at

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it through the lens of how much of the defensive

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workload he's ferrying, that might actually be a good thing

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for him, just because if they're gonna continue to ask

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him to basically do everything he did last year, even

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if Kean Ellis is playing a ton so I wonder

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if that helps. But then you run into the issues

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of like, well's he gonna want like a bigger offensive

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role at some point, And do you think he's capable

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of one, Like you mentioned some of the shot creation

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stuff he saw last year, do you think in a

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vacuum that that's a part of his game that he

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does stand to broaden.

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Speaker 2: I think he definitely is capable of it. As far

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as just his ability to score, I mean, he can

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score it all three levels. He showed an ability to

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score off the dribble. He can obviously catch and shoot.

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I think the biggest thing with him being a bigger

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offensive force is just that's not his mentality. He's not

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the guy who's like, I need to get mine, you know,

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and sometimes I think you need a little bit of

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that to be a really good offensive player. So I

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think he's perfectly fine, and I don't expect there to

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be issues if he doesn't have a bigger offensive role.

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He'll just be like, all right, he's just like the

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most mellow and chill dude, and he'll just go out

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there and you know, drop twenty, all right, let's go.

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And so I think he's capable of much more, But

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I don't think he'll have an issue with taking a

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step back, Like I mean, if the team needs him

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to do more, I think he will and he'll just

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00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:35,440
kind of do whatever's asked and do it.

479
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,759
Speaker 1: Well, do you think he might be in the next

480
00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:40,640
like you know ball litt in miss Test when his

481
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,599
extension comes around next year and it's like just a

482
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,079
no brainer Max And during play some people that are

483
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,240
like sticker show maybe he has like such a huge year,

484
00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:49,440
but he dropped it was at forty five last year.

485
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,680
I feel like that wasn't something that was talked about

486
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,039
too much. So he might be one of the next

487
00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:55,039
you know ball litt in miss Tests married.

488
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's gonna be people that like Gass at

489
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,960
his extension and it's it's just gonna be the riggy

490
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:03,680
Max like pencil it and now it's done.

491
00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 1: Wait for like I don't know, o Jannoby's gonna have

492
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,599
like a huge game for the next Like, I just

493
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,599
don't know why the King's would have traded Keegan Murray

494
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:10,799
for it.

495
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:18,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, the uh, all the discussions about like well you

496
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,359
know so and so you know the Kings are interested,

497
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,359
but I was told they won't trade Keegan. It's like, yeah,

498
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,480
they're not trading Keegan.

499
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,279
Speaker 1: I will probably guarantee you though that before the start

500
00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:31,640
of last season I probably said that I would have

501
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,839
given up keegya murray for Ogannobi, like when he was

502
00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:36,440
still on the Raptors, And so that is definitely if

503
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,400
anyone has receipts, I'm sure that is something I said

504
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:38,880
to be fair.

505
00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:39,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

506
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: Uhke on Ellis deflection king uh pun intended. Uh holy shit,

507
00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:46,440
what did you make of kind of just his emergence

508
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,480
and how like big of an impact did he have

509
00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:51,680
on a King's defense that ranked sixth in points let

510
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,240
for possession from March first on, which is basically I

511
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,279
think he made his first start on March March first

512
00:23:56,279 --> 00:23:56,799
of the season.

513
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, his insertion into the starting lineup was the turning

514
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,559
point where suddenly the Kings were like a not just

515
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:09,160
a passable but an actually good defensive team. It was

516
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,880
such a fun moment for him to just kind of

517
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,640
come out of nowhere and not just be a defensive guy.

518
00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:16,839
He was capable of contributing on offense. He shot well

519
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,440
from three, like obviously still kind of a small sample size,

520
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,119
so there is a little bit of that question like

521
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,519
how much of that is going to sustain? But if

522
00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:26,119
he can be the player was at the end of

523
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,480
last year, that's huge for the Kings because between Kean

524
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:32,599
Ellis and Keiky Murray, you now have two really good

525
00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:35,920
defenders who can guard a variety of positions and that

526
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,480
helps cover up a lot of things. The other thing

527
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:41,720
was that once he got in, like his intensity and

528
00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:46,759
his effort seemed to push darn Fox defensively, and Fox

529
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:48,920
is playing much better defense as well. And maybe it's

530
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,680
just like knowing that the guy next to you is

531
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,559
gonna do his job too, and it's not gonna like

532
00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:57,519
your effort's not gonna be wasted. But like Fox is

533
00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:02,279
a capable defender, Like he's not a turnstyle by any means.

534
00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:05,359
So like two really good defenders and then Fox who

535
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,720
can play good defense, Like suddenly you're in a much

536
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,400
better spot than the way people traditionally think about the

537
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,799
Kings defensively.

538
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: Do we know if I mean I could have googled this,

539
00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:17,000
but do we know of ke On Ellis? Did he

540
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:18,039
play football when he.

541
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,519
Speaker 2: Was in school at all? I do not know.

542
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: Some of the steals that he had is like catches,

543
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,079
but just like reminded me of watching a football game

544
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,359
with a wide out or yeah, in the secondary. So

545
00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:32,480
just say he's super fun. There are some players that

546
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:34,880
are fun to watch on defense because it's not like

547
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,079
sexy all the time to watch it. He's one of

548
00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:40,839
those guys, Like he was super fun, And so what

549
00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:43,440
do you his role on this team this year? Would

550
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,240
you expect him to stay in the starting lineup where

551
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,400
it's kind of like fox Ellison de Rosen or we

552
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:51,359
penciling in Kevin Hurder for that starting two spot, Like

553
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,400
what would you think?

554
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: I would hope it's Kean Elis. I mean, I think

555
00:25:56,519 --> 00:26:00,279
that especially given how much Mike Brown is talking about

556
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:04,240
the importance of playing defense and contributing defensively and effort

557
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:07,359
and disruption like all the things he's preached about the

558
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,960
need for defense to be there as well, Like I

559
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,799
have a hard time seeing him then be like, all right,

560
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,759
this good defensive guard I found now has to go

561
00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:18,759
back to the bench for Kevin Herder, Like there is

562
00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:20,720
that little bit of like, well, do you lose your

563
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,000
spot because you were injured? Like Kevin Hurder got hurt

564
00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:25,720
and now he's out, But like he was kind of

565
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,440
on the way out anyway, like he was playing pretty

566
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,920
limited minutes, like he was getting kind of the quick

567
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,119
hook because he wasn't having a good night. So I

568
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,599
feel like it should be Kean Ellis. And then you know,

569
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,559
Kevin Herder can play a little bit low pressure off

570
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:43,000
the bench, can still get plenty of minutes with you know,

571
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:47,559
catching passes from Sabonis. Can you kind of play alongside

572
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,039
Monk like he can you know, find ways to kind

573
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:52,559
of find his groove again. But I do think that

574
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:56,200
it should be Keon Ellis until proven otherwise, like if

575
00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:59,880
Keon Ellis comes out and turns back into a pumpkin, like, yeah,

576
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,079
make the switch, like you know, we don't need to,

577
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,000
you know, stick with it too long. But I think

578
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,759
he showed enough that he deserves the opportunity to stay

579
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:09,319
as the starter.

580
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: I wondered after the Devin Carter injury news if it

581
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,079
made him less likely that Kean Ellis would start because

582
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:18,039
you wanted some of like the defensive punch to come

583
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:20,519
off the bench, and like Jalen McDaniels is, I mean,

584
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,440
he's Jalen McDaniels and so, but I would start Kean

585
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,559
Ellis personally, even just I think that that would probably

586
00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:28,440
end up being their best five man unit. Maybe there's

587
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,519
some fussing and fiddling when you include Monk and some

588
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,240
of them, So I think he should start, especially when

589
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,960
you mentioned this stuff about Mike Brown, who like seems

590
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,920
to revolt against this idea that the Kings need to

591
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,359
be offense offense offense, So that would shit with that motive.

592
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,759
How sustainable though, do you view And I'm not saying

593
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:46,279
they need to be a top six defensive team, put

594
00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:48,160
that close to the season, because it's March. There's a

595
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,319
lot of noise in March. We all shout out Jaalen Green,

596
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,359
March All Star. But like when you look at what

597
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,000
they were doing and they weren't getting a lucky like

598
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:56,799
when you look at the opponent shooting numbers, they didn't

599
00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:59,400
get lucky there. So how when you're looking at the

600
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,759
Kings saying their ability to be, let's say, an above

601
00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:05,079
average defensive team, how sustainable do you view or realistic

602
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,119
do you view that goal to be?

603
00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: I think it depends a lot on if the shift

604
00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:16,799
in officiating that we saw midseason last year stays, because

605
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:19,000
the Kings were a huge beneficiary of that, just the

606
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:24,039
way that they played defense is more physical and kind

607
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:27,039
of poking and prodding and trying to get steals, which

608
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,160
led to a lot of dumb fouls under the way

609
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,880
the rest were calling the game at the start of

610
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,160
the season and turned into a lot of like flustering

611
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,720
opponents and getting steals and getting fast break points after

612
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:42,799
the adjustment, So it's like, if that kind of new

613
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,160
style officiating is here to stay, I think the Kings

614
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,480
can still be that good defensively if it goes back

615
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:52,519
to the way it happened. Maybe not so much, like

616
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:54,839
they might get in some foul trouble. Again, Like I

617
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,920
do think that they were a big beneficiary of that change,

618
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:03,279
So I it feels like a cop out answer, but

619
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:04,880
I think a lot of it does depend on just

620
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,160
how the game is being called.

621
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: I'll be fascinating to see how the game is being officiated.

622
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:10,519
It's just like league wide.

623
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be interesting to see because that's

624
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,519
a big difference for everyone that whole are better than others.

625
00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: But that whole shift was super awkward too, because you

626
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,599
had the NBA like basically in an official statement saying, well,

627
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,799
it was like it was a conscious decision, but it

628
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:28,319
really wasn't and it was just like it was just

629
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:29,119
so awkward.

630
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:32,279
Speaker 2: So it's like, no, we didn't change anything, and then

631
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:34,000
like a month layer, it's like, well we we had

632
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,279
some conversations, like.

633
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,039
Speaker 1: So awkward. Kevin Herder. I won't a lot of bounce

634
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:42,559
back here from him, but he's had like a rough

635
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:45,400
go basically since the playoffs of what years at twenty

636
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,279
twenty three, Yeah, now coming off with shoulder surgery too,

637
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,400
Where do you view his future on this team? Is

638
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,079
like we already got into will be coming off the

639
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:56,079
bench or not. And his look, the type of shooting

640
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:58,640
and scoring he brings is absolutely valuable. But when you

641
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,920
look at what this team has now, now you envisioned

642
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,400
him being his value coming maybe a salary matching in

643
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,519
a trade more so than someone who is contributing to

644
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:07,599
this actual team.

645
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:10,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, honestly, I'm kind of surprised he's still

646
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,799
on the team. I thought he was going to be

647
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:15,160
traded this summer. I think you look him up to

648
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,519
a light detector. I think he was surprised that he's

649
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:19,640
still here at the end of the summer. Like I

650
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,440
think that everyone kind of expected, like, all right, we've

651
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:25,799
kind of done this it hasn't worked out, Like you

652
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,519
kind of hit that slump, You're just get you a

653
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:31,839
fresh scenery, Like I don't think it's hard feelings or anything.

654
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,799
I think it's just for whatever reason, he's struggling in

655
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:38,680
a slump, in a bad spot, unhappy, whatever it might be.

656
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,400
I would be surprised if he's on the team after

657
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,720
the trade deadline, but it's more there. So you know,

658
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:46,920
sometimes guys stick around for two years longer than I

659
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,240
think they're going to shout out Harrison Barnes, So you know,

660
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,599
it's it's hard to say. I do hope he can

661
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,720
bounce back and kind of show that he's still that

662
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,480
elite shooter because that obviously is very beneficial for the

663
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:03,319
Kings and huge, huge part of what made that run

664
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:07,200
two years ago so special was his shooting along with

665
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,160
everything else that kind of fell in line that year.

666
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,519
So I'm hoping for a bounce back, but I also

667
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,000
feel like it's kind of un borrowed time and just

668
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:18,000
kind of wait and see when he moves on.

669
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,759
Speaker 1: And I guess you're the King, you probably are at

670
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:23,079
least hoping you could rehabilitate his trade value a little

671
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:25,440
bit because his contract looks a little bit steeper now

672
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,599
than it did before, where I would still he seems

673
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,079
I don't know what the word would be like, I

674
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:32,160
would absolutely be trading for Kevin Herder from a team

675
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,880
that needs any sort of shooting and rolling the dice

676
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:36,000
on that. And I know I think King's fans, at

677
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,519
least from what I've seen, I've seem obsessed with the

678
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,200
idea of some sort of like Kevin Herder for Dorian

679
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:45,440
Phinney Smith constructional trade, So that could be somewhat interesting

680
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,240
for the Kings. I just the version of Pete Kevin

681
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:51,079
Herder is just so good that if you are looking

682
00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:53,359
to really lean into the offensive identity like you have

683
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,960
him in a week monk coming off the bench, like

684
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,240
that's kind of just stupid.

685
00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:00,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it could be fantastic, It could work out great.

686
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,000
It just depends. Yeah, I think one of the other

687
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,000
question marks with herders just can he be as efficient

688
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,799
and effective coming off the bench. Yeah, He's a guy

689
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:13,000
who kind of seems to do better with starting and

690
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:15,559
kind of getting his rhythm right away, So I'm curious

691
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:18,240
to see if he can adjust to that role. I

692
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,559
don't think his contract's that bad though, I mean, he's

693
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,640
at like basically seventeen this year, eighteen the next and

694
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,079
then that's it. And in the modern cap I don't

695
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,880
think that that's too steep a price, especially if he

696
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,119
can regain his shooting. He's still young, he's twenty six,

697
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,000
so I think that there's plenty of upside still there

698
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:43,240
for him, and hopefully he can bounce back. And you know,

699
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,240
make us all look like fools for suggesting he'd be

700
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,400
on the bench, and.

701
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,279
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be ready for the start of the season, right,

702
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:51,279
there's not gonna be any like yeah delay, okay.

703
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:53,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not in any sort of brace at this point.

704
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:56,839
They're at least not that's been reported. You know, teams

705
00:32:56,839 --> 00:32:59,680
aren't always the best about medical updates in the offseason.

706
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,799
But as far as anyone knows, he's supposed to be

707
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:03,160
back for the start of the season.

708
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:07,799
Speaker 1: Someone who won't be Devin Carter. Yes, what do you

709
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:09,759
make of before we get into the pelt stuff, and

710
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,440
if he even would play this season, what do you

711
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,720
sort of do how many early impressions of his game

712
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:18,000
or like what theoretical his fit would look like here?

713
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,599
Speaker 2: So I'll prevose this Posida was not a big Devin

714
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,640
Carter fan going into the draft, so I was a

715
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,640
little disappointed that they picked him and then he got

716
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,000
hurt and then he needed surgery. He's gonna be the

717
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:33,799
most hys rookie year, so I'm not super high on that.

718
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,759
In general, I see the vision, though, I mean a

719
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:42,359
guy who is a very active and smart defender, a

720
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,680
guy with really good length and disruptively. He's basically the

721
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:51,240
I see the idea being Okay, bigger Davion Mitchell, Like

722
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:53,359
Davion Mitchell didn't work out because he wasn't big enough,

723
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:55,599
didn't have the length. Like, Okay, we'll get a guy

724
00:33:55,599 --> 00:34:00,920
who's a bigger version of that. That's the hope. I

725
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:06,400
have some questions. I feel like my personal opinion, I

726
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,480
don't feel like he's quite polished enough, given that he

727
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:11,960
is an older rookie when I was I don't watch

728
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,880
a lot of college ball, so I always caveaut my

729
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:17,239
draft takes with saying like they're done with minimal research

730
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,360
and just kind of early first impressions and just little

731
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,960
things I noticed when watching highlight tapes. But like I know,

732
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,400
it's a lot about these like defensive highlights where him

733
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,079
like getting burned and like recovering for a block. It's like, well,

734
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:34,360
that's great at college, but like that's easier against an

735
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,519
eighteen year old than an NBA pro. I'm a little

736
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:39,880
concerned about how that's going to work out long term,

737
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,679
but yeah, I'm hoping he proves me wrong. I always

738
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,800
want guys to prove me wrong when I'm down on them.

739
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:50,000
But yeah, it's frustrating that he's gonna miss so much

740
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,880
of the year because I would have loved to have

741
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,519
been proven wrong early on. But now I've got kind

742
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:57,480
of this lingering, bad feeling hanging over.

743
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:01,199
Speaker 1: From what little I've dug into him with I find

744
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:04,480
myself being more sold on the offensive progress he made

745
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:07,440
last year translated into the NBA. Then the stuff he

746
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,039
can do defensively. I'm wondering if the NBA like speed

747
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:12,519
and spacing, could hurt him there and if it doesn't,

748
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,199
my colleague Jonathan Wasserman said, like his peak outcome could

749
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,320
be like a Derek White, and I sort of see that.

750
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,519
Then I just have it's weird, yeah, build because he

751
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:24,760
was drafted, like the whole thing surrounding him coming out

752
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,559
of the draft with his defense, defense, defense, and then

753
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:28,480
when I just just watching him, and I'm like, that's

754
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:31,239
probably the question I have wonder whether it'll translate. But

755
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,519
if it does, I think he has a chance to

756
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:34,960
be like a heck of sort of like a connective

757
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,639
type of player, which would be you know, and it's

758
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:39,840
always tough to envision them on teams that are supposed

759
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,719
to be really good. I never know how much they're

760
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,440
actually gonna lean on rookies, like the Grizzlies are kind

761
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,719
of in weird on Charted Terror, like Zachie, He's just

762
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,800
gonna start, I guess, and play for a minute, and

763
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,960
that's just that's an objectively weird spot to be if

764
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,400
you're a team that's hoping to be top four in

765
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:52,840
the West.

766
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I've heard that comp too, like kind

767
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,719
of a ceiling or kind of a best case outcome

768
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,679
is kind of a Derek White type and I think

769
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,159
that would be fantastic. The Kings could have, every team

770
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:08,760
in the league could use it. Derek White, Like, I'm

771
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,960
not breaking any news here, like that's a good thing.

772
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:17,079
So I would love that to be the outcome. But realistically,

773
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:20,000
also just given his time frame to come back, like

774
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,519
we're probably going to see very little of him this year.

775
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,559
If we do, it's gonna be like March. So I'm

776
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:31,519
not expecting much this year, and hopefully next year, be healthy,

777
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:34,360
go through camp, and we'll see what he brings.

778
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:36,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of I mean, the injuries are a

779
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:39,039
bummer regardless, but because you're a rookie and the Kings

780
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:41,400
have immediate aspirations, like let's just say he's ready by

781
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,400
January or February, it's like, well, they're not going to

782
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,480
just integrate him midstream when they're in the middle of

783
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:49,280
like a postseason seating battle. And so I'm hoping he

784
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,480
plays this year, but I just can't imagine he's going

785
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:53,519
to be whereas at least before it was kind of

786
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:55,960
like maybe they would give him a shot. But if

787
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,280
he's not gonna be ready and be able to go

788
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,719
through a training camp with them, I just find it

789
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,199
hard to imagine he'll play any type of like role

790
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,639
on this team as a rookie.

791
00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only hope is that the Kings are good

792
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,159
enough that they have like a ton of blowout wins

793
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,199
right at that time of year, so that he can

794
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,679
get thrown into garbage time in like a winning situation

795
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,360
like that'd be great. That way we can kind of

796
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,159
get a glimpse of him.

797
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:21,639
Speaker 1: But so d'aron Fox and Domasa Bonis are boring in

798
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:23,440
the sense that we know what they are now and

799
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,840
so like, I can't do the whole like normal player

800
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,480
deep dive that we do with these guys. So this

801
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:31,519
is my question to you, why is it where, however

802
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:33,719
many years removed from the Domosa Bona, why is he

803
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,280
still such a polarizing player? Literally anything involving him, whether

804
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,639
it's the contract, the trade itself, like the bruises or

805
00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:44,880
marks on his face. I just I everything about him

806
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,199
just feels like it incites division. And it's if you're

807
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:50,360
talking about a big, like a young, up and coming

808
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,639
big who can do stuff with the ball. It feels

809
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:55,519
like people's normal pot shot. They gravitated, like, yeah, he's

810
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:57,480
gonna better than Domasa Bonis, Like who would you rather

811
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:02,039
have Alprinschang Ger or Domosabonis. So I find that without

812
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:03,800
taking a stance, I just find it. I guess is

813
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,719
it morbidly intriguing? Like what makes him so divisive?

814
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:12,519
Speaker 2: Yeah? I I was thinking about a lot about that

815
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,199
last season, just because we saw a lot of the vitriol,

816
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,320
especially people kind of have a backlash to his like

817
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,199
double double streak, like they're like a lot of people

818
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,760
were very angry about that being talked about online. So

819
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:29,840
it kind of made me think about, like, Okay, what

820
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,199
is it that people don't like? And I think if

821
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,800
I kind of take my King's fan hat off, I

822
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,559
think there's two things that he does that make people

823
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:40,159
not like him.

824
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: It looks like he's wearing a tupe. Is that one

825
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:43,920
that's not one of them?

826
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: So there's three things. So the first is that he

827
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,159
is a very physical player, Like he loves setting hard screens.

828
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,960
He definitely like leans into from time to time like

829
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,800
most guys do. But I mean he's a big, strong,

830
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,719
like physical player and plays very physical and I think

831
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:07,039
opposing fans think he gets away with stuff, and then

832
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,559
on the other end, he does get hit a lot,

833
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,000
but he also reacts like he's dying like every time,

834
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:21,239
like and I think if you're very physical players like

835
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,360
laying the hurd on people on one end and then

836
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,280
like getting upset that someone like raised your head on

837
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,599
the other end, Like I could see where that could

838
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:31,599
irk some people. Like I think that that's my leading

839
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:37,599
theory on why he bothers folks, because yeah, it's I think,

840
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,960
and then kind of the more tinfoil hat theories that

841
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,760
there's a lot of people that don't like him because

842
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,199
they had very strong takes on the Sabona's Haliburton trade

843
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,960
and when both teams are good, it makes those takes

844
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:52,920
look bad and so they kind of take it out

845
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:53,519
on sus.

846
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: Will he take more than one hundred total three pointers

847
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,719
this year? Though? That is awesome? My other question on him,

848
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,599
He's been at eighty three and eighty seven respectively in

849
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:06,519
Sacramento his first full seasons.

850
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say yes. Then I was gonna look at

851
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,800
I was gonna look at the number. I think yes,

852
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,360
And I think it's because that, like, if you're gonna

853
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,000
have DeRozan in your starting lineup, like you need to

854
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:20,480
still have spacing, right, Like you're gonna have spacing from

855
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:23,320
Fox who shot the three at a decent clip, you

856
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,119
know you still have hurt Her and Mom, can you

857
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:27,800
know can of mix guys in there? Kean Elis can

858
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,760
shoot decent threes, But like if you're losing that Harrison

859
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,079
Barnes floor stretching element, replacing it with the ros and

860
00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:36,960
like you need a little more spacing from somewhere and

861
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,800
thirteen extra threes from Saponus. I could see that.

862
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: The Kings themselves have not done a ton or even

863
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,840
really any mid season maneuvering since that Sabona's trade. When

864
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,360
you work at just the circumstances right now, you get

865
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,599
a thirty five year old to mardiros In, you have

866
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:58,239
to start thinking about Keegan Murray's next contract. The Iron

867
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,280
Fox could be super Max eligible after this season. You've

868
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,079
already paid some bonus. Do you think that there will

869
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:08,559
be more of an urgency to upgrade things on the

870
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:09,320
fly now?

871
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:16,119
Speaker 2: I certainly hope so. Monte mcnaer has been very disciplined.

872
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:19,480
Is the way I'll put it, is that he kind

873
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:22,360
of has an idea of what a player is worth,

874
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,039
and if the market isn't given it, he just holds

875
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:28,400
on to his player, which is good to a point.

876
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,480
It helps you from getting fleeced. But at a certain

877
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:34,440
point you turn into messia U Jeri where you're just

878
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,920
holding on to your pieces forever and never do anything,

879
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,000
and then like you kind of watched things fall apart

880
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,639
around you and guys walk away for nothing, and so

881
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,320
like it's such a fine line to walk between, like

882
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,199
don't make a move just to make a move, But

883
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,719
there's times when it's like, no, you need to make

884
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,559
a move. And when I look at this King's roster construction,

885
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:56,920
like there's a lot of good pieces, it's not a

886
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,000
perfectly meshed and pieces all fit together perfec Like there's

887
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:05,480
obviously some concerns there, and I would really hope that

888
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:07,440
they find a way to make a move to balance

889
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,400
out the roster. Yeah.

890
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,519
Speaker 1: They I remember being aggravated them with this past trade

891
00:42:11,559 --> 00:42:13,519
deadline and this is so stupid aggress team of things.

892
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:14,760
But I was like, why were they just not the

893
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,920
Royce O'Neil team that if that's all the cost to

894
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,880
get him, I'm not even like, go out there and

895
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,719
make a blockbuster move. Just make a fucking move and

896
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,079
not Tesler Edwards or somebody along those lines.

897
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I Royson. It was one of the targets

898
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,400
I really wanted at the deadline. And it's really frustrating

899
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,719
because there's all these guys that you're like, that's the

900
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,239
guy we need, go get him. They don't go get him,

901
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:40,400
and like the common excuse is like, well, you know,

902
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,400
it takes two and maybe the other teams just don't

903
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,960
want what you have or and it's like okay, but

904
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,280
at a certain point, you just gotta make things happen,

905
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:54,159
like m hm. So it it gets tiring. Like PJ.

906
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,920
Washington was a guy that I really wanted at the

907
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,079
deadline last year, and it's like, oh, it turns out

908
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:00,760
he can help a team that wants to make a

909
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,760
push starts the playoffs, like who knew? Like, so yeah,

910
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,000
not to say I'm always right, there's plenty of those

911
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,719
that I want, and then they don't help their team

912
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,159
do it anything at all, so you know, but it

913
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:13,960
would be nice to see them make a mid season

914
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,280
move again. I think Kevin hurt is the obvious candidate,

915
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:22,039
Like that's a solid salary for matching purposes, and I

916
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:23,800
would hope that they can make a move that can

917
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,239
really kind of bounce the roster and address weaknesses all

918
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:27,960
at the same time.

919
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: Are you ready to enter the cookie cutter portion of

920
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,599
this podcast always you're also ready to accept your award

921
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:37,079
that I don't know what it'll be with the intro

922
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:38,880
in there, but I've done. I think this is number

923
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,360
fourteen in the look Ahead series so far of the season.

924
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,000
It's the first time we got to the cookie Cutter

925
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:46,599
portion under forty five minutes. So, oh man, that's off.

926
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: I am not known for my brevity, so that's fine.

927
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: Yes, all your podcasts, Ben, you really don't like talking

928
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,719
to me then, because they're always so efficient with the

929
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,440
knowledge that your drop it. You're trying to get out

930
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:57,679
of here as quickly as possible.

931
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 2: All right, we've done.

932
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: So the two basic questions we begin with the first one,

933
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:09,760
are there any Is there anything about this team that's

934
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,679
flying under the radar in terms of like strengths or

935
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,840
just development you'll be watching that doesn't receive enough national attention.

936
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:19,679
Speaker 2: Uh, I mean under the raidar. I think we've already

937
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,159
kind of covered it. I mean it's Katy Murray kean Ellis,

938
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:27,880
like that defense of duo is really strong, and I

939
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,440
don't think that they get enough credit. I think a

940
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,599
lot of people had kind of penciled and they knew

941
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:35,320
what the Kings were, you know, as a playing team

942
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,400
towards the end of last season, and so they kind

943
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,440
of missed what happened with Kean Ellis, missed a lot

944
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,360
of what was going on with Keegan Murray's The season

945
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,119
went along so I think that's still under the radar,

946
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:47,320
and hopefully the Kings would be good enough to get

947
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,960
some folks to notice that this year.

948
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: When you are looking at the roster, the Kings are

949
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,480
interesting because you mentioned this before. They have so many

950
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:59,159
individually talented players, but so few that I would like say,

951
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,960
approach completely where it's like I look at Keigan Murray

952
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,079
and he could be that guy. Daron Fox might already

953
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:05,440
be that guy. But then it's like when you look

954
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,400
at everybody else, I feel like they're these really big

955
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,199
flaws or voids in their game you would like them

956
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:12,800
to fill. So when you're looking at this roster, what

957
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,440
is your biggest concern or biggest need for it that

958
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,880
you think they're going to ultimately have to address this season.

959
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,559
Speaker 2: I think the biggest need is still the same issue

960
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,639
that they had all of last year that really hurt them,

961
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:32,000
and that's just size. You know they have. Keigan Murray's

962
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:35,000
likely going to start at the four. Trey Lyles is

963
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,320
a very good backup forward. That's pretty much it, you know,

964
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:47,000
behind no alex Linn. I mean, I love alex Linne,

965
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:51,039
but like you've got Sabonas and alex Linn and Alex

966
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:54,760
Line is a very good backup, but he's situational and

967
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:57,599
plays limited minutes. Like you don't want to rely on

968
00:45:57,639 --> 00:46:00,320
Alex Line for more than like ten minutes a game. Uh.

969
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,800
And I really like Katie Murray, I really like Trey Lyles,

970
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,400
but like that's it. You don't have anyone else big,

971
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,360
Like all due respect to Jalen McDaniels, who I not

972
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,840
rely on, but I mean, they don't have size. And

973
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,000
there's certain teams you just need bigger guys against and

974
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,000
and so I'd love to see that get addressed, like

975
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,960
even if it's just a bench guy, but someone that

976
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:31,559
you can throw out there to give you size when

977
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:34,559
you need it. I think the Kings still really lack that.

978
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:36,119
They have a lot of guys who are on the

979
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:36,840
smaller side.

980
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,039
Speaker 1: And would you prefer that size to come in the

981
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:41,519
form of someone who can play with Sabonis or is

982
00:46:41,559 --> 00:46:43,159
it more you'd be fine if that's, like you know,

983
00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:45,280
I kind of thought if they would just relative to

984
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,320
the minutes that his body can clearly handle if he's healthy,

985
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:50,719
they seem like an interesting how much would it cost

986
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,800
to get RW three out of Portland? It's just like

987
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,639
sort of soak up some of those backup five minutes.

988
00:46:55,639 --> 00:46:58,360
And he's not huge, but he plays huge. But would

989
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,159
you prefer like you're more so targeting you think it's

990
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:02,760
someone that needs to be able to play alongside the

991
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:03,639
bonus in the front court.

992
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:07,559
Speaker 2: I would say alongside. So when I'm looking at for size,

993
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:10,599
I'm actually looking more at like the three and four

994
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:13,639
spot as opposed to the center spot. Like like, yeah,

995
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:16,880
and upgrade to the backup center would also be fantastic.

996
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:20,119
But I mean Sabonus does soak up the minutes. He's

997
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:23,920
he's been durable, you know, kind of knock on wood

998
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,599
on that, but but more concerned around kind of the

999
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,599
four in the in the three spot.

1000
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: Uh So, when this team is fully healthy, what does

1001
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,039
the top ten rotation look like?

1002
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: So, I mean Fox, Monk de Rosen, Keaty, Murray, Sabonis.

1003
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,199
I should have been paying attention to who I said.

1004
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: There, but I think Ellis is definitely.

1005
00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: Kevin Herder, Trey Lyles at eight, and then then I'd

1006
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,400
say Alex lenn and Jordan McLaughlin.

1007
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So no Jane McDaniel is not a part

1008
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,320
of the plants, then that's actually a good thing. To hear.

1009
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 2: I do not think he's They didn't even do an

1010
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,880
introductory press conference when they traded for I don't think

1011
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,400
he's part of the plan at all.

1012
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,559
Speaker 1: Probably a good thing, yeah, off my experience. So this

1013
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:26,559
is actually an interesting question for this team, and I

1014
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:29,719
know it'll be matchup dependent sometimes, what do you think

1015
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,159
will end up being their most used crunch time star

1016
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,800
crunch time lineup? Excuse me?

1017
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 2: I think it will be situationally dependent because I think

1018
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:40,119
the way you roll out that lineup is going to

1019
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:44,559
depend on if you're ahead and trying to protect the lead,

1020
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,400
or if you're behind and trying to play catch up.

1021
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:54,519
But I think that most common you're gonna see see

1022
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:56,440
I'm looking at the line, I'm looking at the roster.

1023
00:48:56,679 --> 00:48:59,159
I'm trying to figure out what they're even gonna do.

1024
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,360
I think that most likely you're probably still gonna be

1025
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:06,880
looking at like Fox, Monk, DeRozan, Kegan, and Sabonis. But

1026
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,199
I think there's gonna be times when you just have

1027
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,400
to have Ellison there for the defense and it's like, Okay,

1028
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,440
who do you take off? Do you take off Monk,

1029
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,880
do you take off DeRozan? Do you take off something?

1030
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: You'll consider because I think when you look at the cachet,

1031
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,719
the bonus and de Rosen and Fox have you would

1032
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,360
think those would be three players that are just pentled

1033
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,599
in his locks for the crunch time. You didn't yet

1034
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:31,800
sa bonus specific bonus euse DeRozan specifically feels like someone

1035
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,280
where when you're looking at the situation of the matchup,

1036
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:35,639
like that might be a spot you should be a

1037
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:37,000
little bit more malleable with.

1038
00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's gonna I think it's gonna

1039
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,400
depend on matchups as well as just how that game

1040
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,199
has gone. I mean, we sing with Mike Brown in

1041
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:52,440
the past where he was perfectly fine sitting Monk in

1042
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:55,559
close games where Monk had been having just a bad game,

1043
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,360
Like if someone else was playing well, he's happy to

1044
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,440
ride the hot hand, even crunch time. So I think

1045
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,559
it will be heavily dependent on who's playing well that night,

1046
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,239
what's the matchup, what's the situation. I don't think it's

1047
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,559
gonna be every Yeah, I don't think you're gonna see

1048
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:13,480
seventy games of the same closing lineup. I think there's

1049
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:18,280
gonna be some variability, but I think that it's gonna

1050
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,679
be some combination of those six guys, you know, so Fox, Monk, Kean, Ellis, DeRozan,

1051
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,039
Keegan Sabonis. I just don't know who the odd man

1052
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:28,280
out is gonna be night tonight.

1053
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: Is there a funky, weird, quirky lineup you would like

1054
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,440
to see Mike Brown Troy this season?

1055
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: I do think it'd be fun to see like the

1056
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:45,679
four Guards, so Fox, Ellis, Monk, and De rosen Ole

1057
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,320
playing at the same time. You're probably gonna have to have,

1058
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,679
you know, like Alex Lennon there, so that there's some

1059
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,320
sort of backstop for you. But I think that'd be

1060
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,880
fun just to kind of go all guards.

1061
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,199
Speaker 1: I think I would pick the same. But it's time

1062
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,119
to put the Kegan Murray has already proven he can

1063
00:51:03,159 --> 00:51:07,840
do stuff that it's time to put cup. You're worried

1064
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,679
about size and the Kings can just lean right into it.

1065
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:12,960
Tall player on the coard is what is he? Six eight?

1066
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: That'll be.

1067
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: So as we are recording this, they're over under is

1068
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,840
set at forty six and a half. I have a

1069
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,679
two part question to this, are you taking the over

1070
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:26,079
the under?

1071
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: On that taking the over?

1072
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,199
Speaker 1: Okay, that is only one game to hit the over.

1073
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,000
It's only one game more than last season. If you

1074
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:36,199
add the rosen impactor and maybe better health even next

1075
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,960
year's West, that doesn't seem all that ridiculous. Yeah, which teams, though,

1076
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:43,280
are you prepared you have to put on? You might

1077
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,400
have take off your King's hat again for this. I

1078
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,000
want to ask you how many, Like, what are the

1079
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:49,360
teams that you were be most confident in saying they're

1080
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,920
going to be better than Sacramento next year in the West.

1081
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: That is tricky.

1082
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: I can give you the ones I'm prepared to guarantee

1083
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,400
if that will help you at all. Sure, I think

1084
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,480
okay See will be better.

1085
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 2: I'm good with that.

1086
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:04,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Minnesota will be better.

1087
00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1088
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: I am absurdly high on Dallas next year, and I'm

1089
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:13,280
trying to take I feel like I've been a little

1090
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,719
overly pessimistic on them, but I still throw the nuggets

1091
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,039
into there, and that's where my guarantees would end. It's like,

1092
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:21,880
if you told me Sacramento was fourth, I would believe you.

1093
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,599
I think they're more likely to settle into like the

1094
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:26,599
fifth or sixth spot, though, it's where I would have

1095
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:27,239
them right now.

1096
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I mean, history tells us that

1097
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:36,400
one of those four likely falls out of the top four.

1098
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,519
Speaker 1: Calvin Booth better hope it's not the Nuggets.

1099
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:42,159
Speaker 2: The top four just especially in the West, just does

1100
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,119
not stay the same, like it changes every year. We

1101
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,679
tend to think like who was good last year will

1102
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,800
be good again this year, and it just like obviously

1103
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,039
there's some level of consistency, but it tends to change

1104
00:52:56,079 --> 00:52:59,280
in surprising ways, like you know, one injury is enough

1105
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,159
in the West, like knock you five spots down the

1106
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,639
pecking order. So I would agree that like based on

1107
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,159
current lineups, based on health like all that, like those four,

1108
00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:11,559
I'd be pretty comfortable saying, yeah, those are very likely

1109
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,360
better than the Kings this year. And then there's a

1110
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,280
bunch of teams that's like, well they could be or

1111
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,840
they might not be. So yeah, I think here four

1112
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,800
is a good That's probably what I would have come

1113
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,079
up with as well. I think I think Dallas is

1114
00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:28,719
probably one of the bigger question marks, mostly just because

1115
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,199
I don't trust Jason Kidd.

1116
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:36,199
Speaker 1: Like Madison didn't last year.

1117
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 2: So I still don't think they should. I mean, I mean,

1118
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,480
they played phenomenal after the deadline and their acquisitions, Like

1119
00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:46,000
you look at what that pace would have been like

1120
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:48,360
they would have been much higher up and all that,

1121
00:53:48,519 --> 00:53:52,199
but I think that regular season, kind of the ins

1122
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:55,000
and outs, I could see them a little bit lower

1123
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:57,440
if I was going to bet on one of those

1124
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,039
four to slip out and be them or Denver.

1125
00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: But and it's the West is fucked because it's like

1126
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,519
Phoenix is just floating around out there. And if if

1127
00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:08,199
you told me Phoenix finished ninth, I'd be like, oh, yeah,

1128
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,599
that makes if you know where they finished first, yeah,

1129
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,199
so wild. So that's what makes it even tougher. But

1130
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,280
I do think we haven't done her over unders yet.

1131
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,119
I do think I'm leaning towards over on the Kings

1132
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,719
just because it's an extra win compared to last year,

1133
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,440
and I do think they're better and that they'll be healthier.

1134
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:27,719
And I also do believe, I don't know if I

1135
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,480
said this, I do think they're gonna make a mid

1136
00:54:29,519 --> 00:54:31,440
season move this year. Like I think the urgency has

1137
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,960
to be ingrained into how they act. And it's fine

1138
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,639
to be like, we're not gonna make it now, we

1139
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:38,320
want to see what this looks like. And that's okay, sure,

1140
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,599
but it's like if stuff isn't like working or clicking like,

1141
00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:44,280
now's not the time to just ride this out like

1142
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,639
you've done that now, And so I do. I do

1143
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,480
believe that they will make and act a move that

1144
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:51,599
we're talking about at the trade deadline, not like one

1145
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:54,199
of those cutes like oh whatever, like bookkeeping moves.

1146
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's very likely. I mean, I think

1147
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,000
we have too many cards not to do something. You know, again,

1148
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:05,360
barn injuries, I mean, injuries could shake that all out

1149
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,760
to where it's all right, we don't need to make

1150
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,320
a sure but there.

1151
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to galaxy brain this, But is there

1152
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:13,320
like any chance we're talking about Kevin Hurder, Kevin Hurd

1153
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,559
or Kevin Hurder, Is there any chance just because of

1154
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:17,800
his value in a vacuum and now what they have

1155
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,599
on the roster, that Malik Monk is just on the

1156
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:22,400
table once the restriction lifts.

1157
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:28,119
Speaker 2: I'd be very surprised, Okay, I'd be very surprised. Like

1158
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:31,840
that type of move I think would shake up that

1159
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,360
locker room in a way that I don't think the

1160
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,840
front office feels the need to at this point in time,

1161
00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:40,679
Like like the vibes in the locker room with the

1162
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,679
fan base like that would be that'd be a ballsy

1163
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,280
move that could like make or break moneyma Neres remaining

1164
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,559
time in Sacramento fair enough.

1165
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,639
Speaker 1: Is there anything else or anyone else on this team

1166
00:55:56,679 --> 00:55:58,880
about this team? We haven't discussed that. You think we

1167
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:04,000
need to touch upon. I mean, I think you want

1168
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:07,880
to get into Mike Brown extension negotiations or No.

1169
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,119
Speaker 2: I'm just glad that got done. That was so stupid.

1170
00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:16,880
It's like the dumbest leaks coming out trying to a full.

1171
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,639
Speaker 1: Like day before it was just okay, like it was

1172
00:56:18,679 --> 00:56:20,199
done after it was a full day. I thought for

1173
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,679
some reason I had I thought it was hours.

1174
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 2: No, it was like, yeah, they tried to play hardball

1175
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:33,639
through the media like buckle the dayly. It was so dumb. No,

1176
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,719
I think the only thing I would say is that, uh,

1177
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:38,280
you know, we talked a little about Sibonas and white

1178
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,679
people don't like him. We talked a little bit about

1179
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,440
Fox and kind of the fit and all that. But

1180
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:46,280
I think it's worth kind of closing on just like

1181
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,159
how good those two have become and how consistent they

1182
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are for Sacramento. And like I said, that's a little boring.

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It doesn't make for you know, good sports talk. But

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they have been just so good, Like I was just

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kind of looking at numbers and like I want to

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caveat this with like Shay is like a way better.

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He is. He is a better player than Fox. I

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fully conceide that, Like, but like Fox is not that

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far off, like you look like category by categories, like

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not that far off, like he is worse. I'm not

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trying to argue he's better or anything like that, but like,

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just the difference in how Shay gets talked about versus Fox,

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like does not align with like where their numbers are

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and what they do, and like Fox is getting where

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he's underrated this on what he's doing year over year.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I will say I'm not a big believer

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in agendas unless I'm the one that's creating them. Like

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I just tend to believe that when people think that

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an outlet has an agenda against their team, As someone

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who works for a very big national outlet, I can

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just confirm that's not the way things work. But I

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do have my own agenda, So that's fair. Yeah, yeah,

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relative to being just two guys, when any given season

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can be on an all NBA team and no one's

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good at bat an eye at it Fox and the

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Bonus don't seem like they get enough credit, and I

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don't know what goes into that specifically. I mean we

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already talked about with Sabonus, but like Fox has been

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basically really good since the Sabonis trade, like that unlocked

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something in him. So I will side with you on

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that that it does feel like those two don't get

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talked about. And I don't know, is it just like, oh,

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we need to see them win a playoff series to

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get like is that we kind of like almost similar

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to what Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum went through, except

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like they made it to the finals and lost, and

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people use that against them as like lotters, like why

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this couldn't work. They lost in the finals, they were

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second of thirty teams. So I would agree with you there.

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I think that's where those two are really good. I

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some think Fox is noticeably more important than Sibonis, and

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I actually think that he's I actually think I picked

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the Bonus to make an All NBA team though over

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him last year, so maybe I should look this is

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just me forgetting what I'm saying, But I'm a big

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believer in the Aaron Fox. Uh, Greg are you able

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to tell our listeners where they can find you and

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all the work that you help put out or sometimes

1229
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put out yourself. When you drop the link, I will

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click if I know that you wrote it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm managing never at Kings Herald dot com

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where independent Kings coverage, so you can check us out there,

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and then I'm on Twitter at gsgwiss and during basketball

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00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,000
season I'll talk about basketball there. Otherwise it's me just

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retweeting dumb jokes.

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Speaker 1: Which I always have. I'll know it's you too, Like

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before I retreated, it's like this tweeted from like twenty

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seventeen and it's funny.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's Greg that.

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Speaker 1: To put it on my tweed.

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Speaker 2: Yep, you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for coming on podcast once again. As

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you know by now, I'll be pastoring you again in

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the future, and I will try to limit the profanity

1245
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that I hurl at you in the direct messages, and

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I won't call you names this season. I promise.

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Speaker 2: If you do, I'll probably have deserved it. Sof