Speaker 1: Want to welcome everyone back to the Peaking Yona's Show. Look,
I can barely talk today. Just wait, this is Wednesday.
On Friday, we're starting the preparation for a whole bunch
of dental reconstruction I'm having, So wait until let's see
how I'm talking on Friday night when I when I
have a scheduled recording on Friday night. But yes, this
is the Peaking Yona Show, and this is Michael rectan Wald.
Are you doing Michael, I'm doing well. Thanks, good to
be here at last. I should say I've been waiting
for an invitation for you from years, for years. You've
been on the show before, No, never, yes you have?
I have, yeah talking about talking about WF.
Speaker 2: Kidding, Okay, sorry about that.
Speaker 1: You know, No, I forget. I have people who are
who I'm interviewing, and I'm like, my friend, not me,
not you. The other day, a couple of weeks ago,
I'm like, hey, come on, first time on. He's like
I was on like three months ago. Yeah, So this
is your your journey from where I first I guess
I first heard about you in twenty seventeen, So why
don't you tell everybody your journey to what's today the
August twentieth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's it's been a long and winding road,
shall we say that in twenty sixteen, let me just
give you a slight recap in twenty sixteen, in the
fall of twenty sixteen, or in the late summer of
twenty sixteen, I was still a Marxist. By October I
had already transitioned to a libertarian and voted for Trump.
And so yeah, I mean, you know, having gone through
academia and that I was in a you know, I
went through a PhD program and in a master's program
in English, and in the course of that process, you know,
got turned into a Marxist. You know, I can't really
explain how it happened, except that there's kind of an
unspoken requirement amongst in academia, especially in that field English,
that you're some sort of leftist or other, and Marxism
seemed to make the most sense to me, because, you know,
I hailed from a working class background, and I had
a chip on my shoulder for sure, and h you know,
a sort of class chip, as it were, and so
you know, I became sort of like a Marxist theorist.
And this was just an avocation. It's not like I
taught Marxism in at NYU, taught courses in whatever, all
kinds of stuff, mostly nineteenth century British science and culture.
I started to specialize in secularism as a movement that
started in the mid nineteenth century, and wrote about that stuff,
taught about it, and taught cultural history, academic writing, things
like that. And as an avocation, I was a Marxist
in writing papers, you know, theoretical papers from Mark, you know,
on Marxism, and publishing in Marxist journals and things like that.
And then twenty sixteen happened, and I already saw the
writing on the wall coming down the pike with the
kinds of woke or whatever you want to call it
impendiums that were pending at the university, and they started
to really get quite egregious.
Speaker 1: And let me just let me interrupt for a second, Like,
I mean, I've studied Marx, I've studied Lenin, I've studied
the Bolsheviks. I've studied what they believe, what they at
least what they wrote that they believed. Yeah, that has
nothing to do with what we know is wokism that
comes later under the Marxist banner, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, the only thing that wokeism really
adopts from Marxism is what I will call the oppressor
oppressed diad, and that there's an oppressor class. I don't
oppressed class in Marxist terms. It's put in economic it's
in economic terms. In woke culture. It's identity basically various
identity groups claiming oppressive oppression status or oppressed status as
against the oppressors. And I hope we get into this
woke right nonsense too, because I want to talk about that.
Speaker 1: But oh yeah, we can talk about that. I mean,
the guy's making himself pretty much irrelevant, but it is
irrelevant already. But it is a good it's a good
thing to look at because it's a really good picture
of somebody who's on the left pretending to be somebody
who's on the right by attacking the right.
Speaker 2: James Lindsay, you mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not a
fan of James Lindsay. I should start off by saying
that he plagiarized my books Bring Time for Snowflakes. That is,
he took an idea or exact expression at least apparently
took it because no one else had used it before,
and then he appropriated it without acknowledgment. I call that plagiarism.
Now he may not have read my books, he said
he hasn't, But I still think if you're writing in
a particular discourse, you should know what the hell's gone
on in that discourse before you start writing, and you
should know what's been said. And I already had coined
the phrase that postmodernism is practical. I'm sorry that social
justice is practical postmodernism, and he picked that up and
went with it. But anyway, James Lindsay and the woke writing, yeah,
we could get into that, but yeah, I'd say the
woke the woke figuration is just simply the oppressor oppressed
diad plus. It's an inversion of the so called, you know,
supposed social hierarchy, so that the bottom becomes the top
and the top becomes the bottom. This is the object,
so that the oppressed effectively assume a position of oppression
over the others. Although they would never say that, that's
what it really amounts to. And likewise, you know, they
use all these tactics, cry bullying and all that in
order to beat up their opponents and establish their own
status really as the new high you know, as the
new dominant group. So that's what these woke people do.
But yeah, so I started to criticize all this, and
I did it as a Marxist.
Speaker 1: At first.
Speaker 2: I was writing and speaking about this as a Marxist.
And I did this interview with the New York University
student newspaper, the name of which escapes me at the President.
At President I haven't taught there for quite a while now,
since twenty nineteen. But that interview went viral. It was
picked up by the New York Post, and the story
became national news. I was ostracized at NYU very severely
after the interview I gave to the New York University
newspaper in which I basically said that they were making
you know, I said, one of the things I said
was that they are making the alt right possible. They
were actually producing the alt right by virtue of their
own identity politics, that it was going to naturally be
countered by another identity politics, and that's the identity politics
of you know, of the alt right, which is you know,
white male nationalists, et cetera. I said, they were producing
their opponents, and I said a lot of other things
in anyway, they were outraged. Immediately, within two days of
that interview appearing, I was called into the dean's office
and I was assured that the meeting had nothing to
do with my interview in the newspaper. But then he
came up. Then he started off talking about that. Immediately
they brought the head of human resources into that meeting
and effectively coerced me into a leave of absence, which
I took, frankly, anything to get out of New York.
I welcomed, to be honest, But Wikipedia says that it
was my idea. But that's absurd because I hadn't. The
dean called me into the office and began pressuring me
to take leave of absence, saying that they were concerned
about my mental well being, my mental health, you had
to be crazy to criticize this stuff, I suppose, and
I guess I was.
Speaker 1: Let me just ask real quick, because I don't remember.
Did you have tenure at the time.
Speaker 2: I was in a program that had rank but no tenure,
So I was a full professor by this point, or
actually I was up for full professorship. That was a
key factor actually, because I thought if I don't take
the leave, maybe they won't give me the full professorship,
which I really deserved. But I did get that after
the leave actually took place, or during that leave, I was.
I got the full I got the promotion to full professor.
And that's not just a ranking thing. It's about money.
I was, you know that I needed to make more
money in New York. It's a very expensive place to live,
and so they gave me the full professor rank. But
they had isolated me on campus. They pushed me into
a different department. I was in a global liberal studies program.
They pushed me into an office in the Russian department,
which I like to say was basically relegating me to
my own personal goolog because they wouldn't move my books,
they wouldn't give me secretarial support, they wouldn't even give
me a phone. It was like bare metal shelves and
totally treated as a pariah on campus. It was an
uncomfortable situation. So then you know these professors that came
after me. It wasn't students, it was professors that came
after me, and then the administration backed them up. They
sent all these scathing emails about me towards the end
of the term, after I came back from leave, at
the very end of the term actually, and they in
those series of emails called me the usual epithets, which today,
if they had called me, I would just I had
written back l L. But at that time I actually
was like, oh, I don't want to be called a racist,
a nazi, a short pants white devil, sexist, misogynists all that.
I didn't really at that time. I still cared like
what these kind of people thought, and so that got
me very upset. I sued the university and these professors
for defamation and libel. Wikipedia says the case was thrown out,
but that's not true. I settled. They can't ever get
things right. I settled with NYU. They gave me a
cash settlement plus full retirement benefits, so it wasn't like
I lost. They knew that there was something in my
case that if it went further, wouldn't have been wouldn't
have been nice because there was so much discrimination against
me on the basis of my gender and race. Because
they treated these assailants with total kid gloves, let them
go on and on for days and days ripping on
me in public email on NYU official list serves, and
never stepped in and said this is out of boundser
They never admonished or otherwise chastise these people or you know,
disciplined them anything. They basically let them go wild, and
they did. They went wild for a long time. It
was like a week of crap. And then so I
sued them in that case got settled, and I recognized
in the process of this that the left in general,
whatever you want to call them now, I really don't
care for left right stuff, but they were totalitarians at base.
I recognized this and said I wanted nothing further to
do with them at all. I left the left as
it were, and I instantly recognized that effectively I was
at least a civil libertarian in the sense that I
believed in the use of one's own speech, the right
to free speech and individual rights was pretty important. That
that comes, you know, that comes well before any kind
of utopian society. In fact, without it, you can't have
anything resembling even a decent, non oppressive situation. So I
recognize that. And then, you know, at that time, I
was doing all these TV appearances and it was Fox
News and all that that all of course has gone
since you know, I came out against Israel. But yeah,
so then I ended up becoming a libertarian. And then
I was asked by the this is the worst day
of my life. I wish this never happened. The Mesis Caucus.
The head of the Mesas Caucus, Michael Hyes, called me.
I was at Hillsdale College at the time, preparing to
give a lecture on the Great Reset, which they were
paying me handsomely for very much, very handsomely, just to
talk for an hour, and and he asked me if
I wanted to run for president. I'm like, president of
what he said of the United States. I'm like, what
are you talking about? Man? He said, we need somebody
to run as a liberty You know, the Mesis Caucus
needs its presidential candidate. I had heard about, you know
that the that the the first choice was Dave Smith,
and you know, I you know, I knew I wasn't
their first choice, but it nevertheless sort of struck a
It sort of flattered me, to be honest, and I thought, well,
this could be interesting, and I decided to do it.
The worst decision I ever made in my whole life.
I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Can't party politics, huh, you got that, just.
Speaker 2: The party politics. Well, first of all, I got attacked
by all these libertarians and right off the top, coming
at me with all these gripes, you know, you know,
I didn't realize the extent of which this Mesus Caucus
had effective alienated half the party at least, and how
they were hated. And then all that vitriol got directed
towards me, like I was this Mesus caucus ogre, you know,
and so that that was uncomfortable, and you know, then
I was dealing with certain other candidates like Josh Smith,
a real asshole, and some others, and then you know,
I was still even after I struggled.
Speaker 1: At first with that's just more inter party and intercaucus
interneesine garbage.
Speaker 2: And you know, I've come around. Really, we'll get to this.
I suppose, you know, more towards your position about you know,
the hyper individualism of libertarianism, which leaves you pretty much
defenseless against groups who act in unison, who act with
intent and accord, you know, and you can't prove that
they do, but except you can see the traces of it,
and until they.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while just absolutely tell you that
they do it. Yeah, they'll just come out and they'll
write a book and be like, here, look what we did.
And it's like, uh so I'm only allowed to celebrate that,
right If I criticize that, I'm going to get in
trouble right exactly.
Speaker 2: And after the you know, the way the thing went
down at the Libertarian Party convention was unfortunate. I got
drugged the day before the vote by a guy who
I thought was giving me a CBD gummy. It turned
out to be one hundred milligrams of THHC and I
was supposed to speak right after Trump and I made
no fucking sense at all.
Speaker 1: None I could. I could see that. Although although when
you consider what half the crowd was like probably there
what half the crowd there was probably like you might
have made all the sense in the world to them,
because they're probably as high as you.
Speaker 2: Were, possibly Yeah, But somebody yelled out from the audience
how high are you? And I was like, oh shit,
I don't where do I go with this? I said,
not high enough, you know, something like that. Anyway, the
decision was made just to own it, and but at
the last I won the first five rounds of voting
anyway by a long shot. And then this guy, Mike Tremott,
the cop cop turned libertarians so called, he threw his
weight behind Chase Oliver, the transgender advocate who was running
a LGB E t q I A A plus plus
campaign under a libertarian.
Speaker 1: Michael Michael, Let's be honest that that really is a
better represent he really is a better representation of libertarianism.
Somebody who's going to be able to talk about economics
and hoppah and you know, and and localism. That's now
they want to hear about queer ship.
Speaker 2: I ran as a hoppy and a lot of the
people in the party hated that, uh, not a lot,
you know, all but the thesis people and a few
others they hated that. They said it was bigotry and
all this ship. You know, I was called a bigot
and all that, and uh yeah, they that guy threw
his weight by becoming the VP candidate for Chase Oliver
and then his people, he had been just knocked out
in the round before his people, of course, segregated to
him behind Chase Oliver. So I lost the final vote
after winning five rounds. Huh and Uh, you know that
that was hard to live down.
Speaker 1: Do you remember what do you remember before you even
like before the convention and like six months before that,
me being on the phone with you and going, Mike,
make this all about Israel and Zionism. Just run as
a libertarian talking about Israel and Zionism. It's like, no,
I wish you would have been it would.
Speaker 2: Be, but I actually did. For towards the end there,
I was really harsh on you know what happened, uh
after October seventh, you know, or you know, we know
it all. That's not the beginning of history by any stretch,
but well, we knew that they were going to commit
a genocide. And I never believed the whole story of
October seventh. I still don't. Of course, that was really,
you know, a setup. But uh yeah, there were things
you can't say as a candidate. It's a problem. You know,
I'm I'm not a I should say like, I'm not
like a political personality, and as such, I'm a thinker
and I say whatever the hell I think, And you
can't do that as a candidate because these people want,
you know, programmatic answers, and you know, I wouldn't give
them usually, but yeah, that was stupid. I mean it
was really stupid. I lost the hill Hillsdale Fellowship over that.
So the call that came while I was at Hillsdale
actually ended up knocking me off of that and that
you know, I needed to move on from that eventually.
But you know, that was one hundred and fifty thousand
dollars a year for her like doing anything at all,
and so that was a big hit. So yeah, at
this juncture, so you know, I'm still a hoppying but
hoppying is hoppy and in the sense that you know, uh,
you know, private property would solve a lot of problems. Basically,
exclusion would be is possible.
Speaker 1: That's the greatest The greatest thing about Happa is the
fact and what makes him a quote unquote Nazi to
a lot of libertarians is something that libertarians talk about,
freedom of association. The problem is you're not allowed to
They're they're all about freedom of association away from right wingers. Yes,
but as soon as you talk about freedom of association
from a right wing point of view, then you're a Nazi.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly that. That's what I was called. I was
called a Nazi by these party people this, I guess.
You know, there's so many of these factions within that
party it's absurd. The Faketarians and.
Speaker 1: The whole nine yards, those are just those are just
those are the people that got you kicked out of
n y U.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the same people. They're the same people, so you
know they are and they are establishment hacks really, you know,
they just like they just repeat establishment charges against people,
the same kinds of ship I got from the left.
In fact, I would say the ship I got from
n y U professors and the left when I left
the left was less I should say, less surprising and
also less uh uh. It was. It was like a
less in intensity that than the than the crap I
was getting from these libertarians, who I thought would be
more more amenable to my ideas and the hobby and abuse,
but no, they were. I was a big and all this,
you know, because you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, well think about it, okay, So you know
we already you already mentioned the hyper individual and how
detrimental that is to fight against groups, to hold off
groups that are coming together so that they can have
concerted power and collective power. And that's the way, everybody,
that's the way every political or let's say, community organizing
type of group works except libertarians. So I know there's
a faction of libertarians that are, you know, like we're
about localism. Lets you know, we're about private property, we're
about exclusion or about freedom of association for whatever reason, race, creed, color,
no matter what. But really, when it comes down to it, libertarians,
you know, it's like, I mean, I don't even want
to say hurting cats. It's not like herding cats. It's
more like you're dealing with these people who embrace individualism,
and then they're so individual well that the first thing
they do after they break individualism is look for other
people who've embraced individualism so they can hang out with them.
And then when they hang out with them, there is
no thought of, okay, maybe we should organize to get
what we want. I remember somebody saying, I can't remember
who said it, damn it. I love to give credit
where credits due, but he said I think that libertarians
are probably the most immoral people on the planet because
they believe that they're they what they believe and how
they want to structure things will bring peace and prosperity
to their people. But they're not willing to do anything
to make that happen. They're not willing to do anything
to stop the wars, to stop you know, to stop
the occupation that we've been under for eighty years. They're
not willing to do any of that because as soon
as you say, well, maybe it's that group over there
that's doing it, Oh no, that's collectivism. Okay, Well, I
mean people collectivize for power. Yeah, that's who you're fighting.
You're fighting a collective.
Speaker 2: It's so when I you know, after the campaign, I
let loose on on a lot of things and I said,
I don't, I don't. I no longer represent the Libertarian
party at all. And we, of course a lot of
libertarians still following me on XENS. We're very shall I say,
disaffected by some of the things I started saying. And
they started, you know, they started with the collectivism ship
because I started criticizing the Jewish ruling class, you know,
and they said, that's collectivism. You know, get the hell
out of here. There is a Jewish, there is a
so say say, you're going to criticize.
Speaker 1: Them, but Nazis, but but but but these are the
same people who will be like, oh, those people are
there are Nazis. We have to we have to attack them, right, Okay,
So you're just you're just saying that you prefer this
group to that group. So and you don't want to
and basically you don't want to go against what the
regime has, what the regime allows you allows to be
acceptable and verboten.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Like you know, I ran as an ant
cap and you know, bold making what I thought were
bold statements about the state. You know, and the state
is a parasite and all this kind of stuff. That's
not controversy. Nobody cares about that. That doesn't that doesn't
bother anybody. They just they laugh at that shit. You know,
the establishment doesn't care that. They'd love to keep everybody
on that kind of track. But when you start to
identify who the ruling class is and then attack them,
then they'll come after you. And that was you know,
even these libertarians who are basically the minions, they're NPCs
mostly of the establishment. So yeah, they attacked me for that.
So and then you know, Dave Smith, I guess when
I posted something to the effect that when I applied
the hoppy and reasoning to Zionists and I said they
should be physically removed, just like Hopp says about communists
or whatever. I mean, if you're going to look at
a group and say that they're in anathema to liberty,
you know, like communists, or property rights like communists and
so forth, but why wouldn't you then you know it's
in natural extension to say the same thing about Zionists.
And I said the Jewish elite, I said they should
be physically removed the Jewish elite. Dave Smith promptly. I
guess I didn't notice it for a while, but he
basically disavowed me utterly. This is after he had he
had endorsed me for the candidates the UH. And now
I guess he says, I'm an embarrassment.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I'm finding him to be an embarrassment, frankly, because he's
just an anti Zionist Jew. And they're they're allowed to
say things about Zionism, but they don't want you to
go into the UH. They don't want you to talk
about the Jewish power elite that you know, organized Jewry.
They don't talk about that. That's not allowed. When you
go there, you're over the line. So I think, Uh,
these Zionist Jews basically work as containment and they work
to uh, they're they're basically doing uh, damage control for
this Jewish elite by by part by part, partitioning off
Zionism as the strict as the you know in Israel,
as the only manifestation of this. You know, whenever you
talk about anything else, like the fact that you have,
like the list you put up today which I saved,
if you talk about the billionaires amongst this class and
how they're actually driving US policy and things like that,
you can't. That's not allowed. So I think Smith, Dave
Smith is a joke in the sense that he just
he just sort of says the right things about Israel,
but he won't go so far as to say. In fact,
he said on one post in which he was complimenting
Goad Sad for his free speech dance, I was like,
are you kidding me? And he said, I'm not an
anti Israel guy, but and so forth, I said, not
an anti Israel guy. Apparently you're supposed to be an
ant cap who's against the state, and you're telling me
you're not opposed to the most criminal state on the
face of the earth, Israel, And you know, he you know,
he didn't answer that. It got a lot of play,
but he didn't respond. Well.
Speaker 1: The problem I have with the anties, with people who
just concentrate on Zionism is is that Zionism, really the
idea started getting fleshed out in the mid eighteen hundreds,
but you can go back centuries and see that organized Jewry,
even on the international level, was a problem, and people
were talking about it, people wrote about it, and I mean,
all Zionism is it is basically them coming together and saying, Okay,
if we are going to be able to do this,
and do this on a mass level, we're going to
need a state that gives us the legitimacy in the
eyes of the world. And because and we need nukes,
and we need weapons, and we need this is the
way we are going to We've been dealing with we've
had no power except financial power, or for two thousand years,
I would say twelve hundred years when you really start
to studying the history, and we haven't had any you know,
we get we go in, we get financial power, and
eventually we get kicked out. You know, they kick us
out of the country because we become you know, we
basically figure out how to control people through finance, and
they're invited in. I'm not letting gentiles off the hook here.
Gentiles have to invite them in in order to do this.
And a lot of kings and a lot of mayors
and a lot of governors or did this, and they're
just they're at fault too. But you're not excusing you're
not excusing the behavior either. I mean, you're if you
hire a soldier to come in and kill somebody, you know,
it's not like you the soldier. You let the soldier
off the hook. So all Zionism is is a manifestation
is a culmination of Jewish power becoming that has existed,
organized Jewish power that has existed for centies, deciding we
need a state in order to and and they catched
it in. Well we're not going to be safe. We
get pogrammed everywhere we go. It's not like, you know,
we've never done anything, We've never done anything to deserve
it or I mean, like you know, which I'm covering
in a very long series that these these weren't even
pograms in Russian half the times it was Jewish Jewish revolutionaries.
It rose up and started started trying to overthrow the czar,
and then when Russians fought back, they said, oh, we're
being pogrammed. I mean like I think in the in
the Kishen of pogram The first day before fighting had
barely even started out, in German newspapers were saying twenty
thousand Jews were killed. I mean there was no there
was There weren't even any clashes. So basically, Zionism is
a culmination of Jewish power. And I had Daryl Kooper
on recently. We talked about the Jewish question historically, and
we looked at the history of what happens historically, especially
in the last twelve hundred years when Jews are given power,
and they were given power in a lot of Muslim countries,
and one of the first things that they would do
is they would seek to punish the Christian the Christian
population if there was a Christian population there. Saw it
in Spain, saw it in several North African countries. So
this is not this whole Zionism thing, is just basically
the culmination of two thousand years of history. So if
you're not addressing it's like it's basically like talking about you.
It's the same thing as starting Palestine. What happened the
Palestine Israel problem starting it on October seventh instead of
going back to the eighteen nineties when they first started
going there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I understand Zionism was a Jewish response
to the so called Jewish question partly and the you know,
of course, the question was you know, assimilation versus you know,
separatism and all that, and uh, there was assimilationists, of course,
and then there were the really dogmatic separatists, and oh.
Speaker 1: They killed each other. They would have. There were assassinations
of Jews by Zionists who were like, no, we have
to fit in, we have to become we have to
become Germans, we have to become English people, and Zionists
would assassinate them. I mean, the whole thing. I saw
this the other day. I forget who put it up.
It might have been Built Crystal or Eli Lake or
one of those psychopaths. Was talking about FDR who refused
the boats coming coming to the United States filled with
Jews and said send them back. Well, why did he
send them back? Alison Weird details this, details this with
references out the Ying Yang in her book Against Against
Our Better Judgment. They were sent back because Zionists went
to FDR and said, send those boats back. Yes, we
they go to Palestine, or they go nowhere else. We
want them to go to Palestine, so send them back.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I mean, and I've read, I've read
some academic papers about you know, Zionists cooperation with Nazis.
It's very extensive.
Speaker 1: Of course, that was mostly on the Nazis part. There's
a really good book called Anti Semitism and Zionism in
Nazi Germany by nicosia He. Basically a lot of people
have used that to say, oh, the like the Zionists
controlled the Nazis or they were working together. It was
really about it was about economics. You know that the
Nazis obviously wanted the Jews out of Germany, but they
didn't want them to take wealth. That they thought it was, oh,
they don't want take money. So they figured out a
way that they would allow them to go to if
they went to Palestine. There was a financial arrangement that
would allow them to take I mean like seventy five
to eighty percent of the money their money with them,
which people would be like, well, twenty percent is theft.
I don't give a fucker, right, I mean we're talking
we're talking about a civilizational a European civil war that's
going on. Yeah, I mean it's not. It wasn't only
Germany this was happening. They were doing the same thing
in Poland at the time. There was a Havar agreement
in Poland at the time, So you know, this is
and that's another thing about this whole thing. Everybody wants
to make this into something that's really simple, and then
when you start reading all the books about exactly what
was happening back then, especially by people who were who
were alive back then or who were alive shortly after,
you're like, oh, this is this goes a lot further
than just oh we don't like the Jews. It's like, well,
Judea declares war on Germany and it's going to be
a financial war. Maybe you see what financial wars do
to countries, especially countries that have no real natural resources.
So yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 2: They also were very clear that they needed anti Semitism
in that. You know, Herzel said anti Semis are our
best friends, because this would justify their separate estate. And
so I don't know how we got to this, but.
Speaker 1: Well you were we were just talking about Zionism and
how attacking just attacking Zionism is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems to be right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to be a sort of like a
a way of gatekeeping away from a problem that has
existed for a long, long, long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not even allowed to mention that problem. And
the anti Zionists hot there. Uh, well, police your speech
about this. I've had that happen too. You know. Don't
say Jews, don't say Jewishly, don't say Jewish ruling class,
say Zionists. And I'm like, oh, frankly, I don't think
even Norman Finkelstein has come out and said, I don't
think they're all Zionists. I don't even want to call
them that. I call them the Jewish supremacist, Jewish supremacist
billionaire class is what he calls these people.
Speaker 1: And I think that's In the twenties, they they called
themselves international Jewry. Yeah, they called them. Because this was
being written about in the nineteen twenties, Maurice Samuel wrote,
you gentiles. At the time, the Henry Ford The Dearborn
Independent was writing tons of articles. There were articles all
over the world in papers all over well the West
at the time that were this was discussed openly, right,
and it's like, okay, so you think that problem w
way because they got their own country. No, they got
their own country, and then most of them still aren't
going back there, right they need It almost seems like
the setup. It almost seems like conspiracy to keep them.
I mean, it's not even a country. It can't if
it can't survive on its own, it's not a country. Okay,
it's but the problem is is that there's so much
of the influence here, and you have so many Jewish
billionaires here. It's basically like we're going to stay in
other countries and we are going to have highly influential
positions in academia, entertainment, finance, things like that, so we
can be well. I mean, look, how do they survive.
Forty thousand businesses have closed since October seventh in Israel.
How are they surviving right now if it is not
by basically siphoning money away from every every country that
they possibly.
Speaker 2: Can, Germany, United States well.
Speaker 1: And also and not to mention, okay, say it was
only the three point eight billion dollars a year that
we give them to not go to war with Egypt.
It's basically what that money is is three point eight
billion dollars not to go to war with Egypt. Yeah,
you do know how many Jewish? I mean I said, I
put a list of Jewish billionaires up there. They could
give that three point eight billion every year. They could
do it. Why are we doing it? Why aren't they
doing it? And these are not I'm not saying these
are Jewish billionaires. I'm saying these are Jewish billionaires who
are openly giving money to Zionist causes. Well, the biggest
Zionist cause is Israel. Why aren't you providing that money?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they want to get it from us because
they would like us to be I think you know, look,
they want to make us kind of like the batteries
and the matrix. Really, we're just we're just there to be.
We're spowering the their imperialism, for lack of a better term. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maury Samuel wrote in You Gentiles, he wrote that when
we try to be like you, when we try to
act like geniles, it's very clumsy for us, and we
don't so think about that. He's writing this in nineteen
twenty two. They don't have a state yet. They haven't
had a state for if you you know, if history
is correct, the two thousand years right, then they put
together a state. And Maury Samuel clearly says, and this
is Maury Samuel wasn't some like crackpot who wrote a
book and printed it out of his house. This is
a guy who up to the seventies, like after he
wrote this book and a bunch of other books. Up
until the seventies, he had a radio show in New
York City. You know, so this was a popular guy.
One of the most most read books in the Jewish
community in the twentieth century. He's saying this, He's like,
we can't do things like it's like we whenever we
try to act like you guys, and then they get
their own country, and it's what is this country? Right
from the start, it's murders, terrorism. I mean, and I'm
not talking about like sure this country was founded on
having to conquer a people who were already there. I
get that. I would even I'm even one of those
people who's like, if they would have just moved every
single person who was there out of that country and
not kept them there, I would that's just the history
of the world. Yeah, but then they decided to keep
like a hostage there that they're going to abuse, and
then when the hostage fights back, they can play the victim. Yeah,
like they can. Oh, look, we're surrounded. We try to
be nice to these people, and we're surrounded by all
these people and they just hate us. And literally this
is what they did in Russian Empire as well. I mean,
this is there's the whole There's nothing really different once
you read that history. So so let's let's get into
this because you know, we don't have to we don't
have to talk for for hours here, because we could
talk about this all the time. Yeah, you decide, you've
decided that somebody has to take up the anti at
least the anti Zionist model, so talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I found that a pack and it's it
exists now. It's called the Anti Zionist America Pack. And
the pack is about removing Zionists from the government. And
you know, I use the term zionists loosely. We know
what that means. It means, you know, in the in
the most direct political manifestation, it means that we're not
being that we cease being robbed by Israel by being extorted, uh,
for their for their hostilities and genocidal rampages, and that
we have, you know, this recent case where this uh
you know, uh Andrajovich. What was his name again, the
guy that got busted in Las Vegas and let.
Speaker 1: Out, Yeah, I don't remember his name. But these kinds of.
Speaker 2: Things like just show you the extent to which this
this infiltration has become complete. And with the Trump administration,
the mask is off totally. It's very clear what they're
doing that this Jewish supremacist billionaire class and a Jewish eliter,
whatever you want to call them, are running this country
and controlling policy, not just foreign policy, but domestic policy.
With their attempts to put the Anti Sematism Awareness Act
over on us, which hasn't passed yet, but in a
way many of the executive orders Trump has passed has
made most of it unnecessary. It's obviated a good deal
of that because they're already implying they're already applying effectively
the Anti Semitism Awareness Act and all of the as
we see with this entire administration, constant to supplications and
subservience and groveling before Jewish masters. I mean, this is sickening.
I couldn't believe it. So I mean, I believe it,
but I just you know, it reached the tipping point
where I thought something has to be done and nobody
else is doing it, so I guess I'll give it
a shot. So I found that this anti Zionist America
pack first idea was to have a party. Then I
remembered that third parties do nothing in this country. They
get nowhere. I mean, they don't even get on the ballot.
It's absurd. The uphill battle is ridiculous. That would it
would take decades for that to materialize. Whereas if you
direct funds toward anti Zionists or at least non Zionist candidates,
then you know, and try to collect collectivize our economic
power of millions and millions of Americans who's who are
being completely shot out from the political sphere thanks to
this Jewish billionaire class that's running the show. If you
collect all that wealth and final it into a movement
that is trying to you know, disconnect our political sphere
from the Zionist control, then we may get somewhere. And
you know, it's it's a long shot, I admit, but
I think, uh, you know, and I'm just starting it.
I don't know how long I'll run this thing, because frankly,
I don't like executive director work. I'm just an idea man.
So I came up with the idea. I may turn
it over to somebody who wants to take take charge
of it and not too in the not too distant future.
But I put the I put the mission statement up
and uh, it's pretty explicit. Uh do you mind if
I read it here?
Speaker 1: Please go right ahead.
Speaker 2: Uh. The Anti Zionist America Pack as a pack is
dedicated to removing Zionist control from the US government at
the local, state, and federal levels. We fund and support
candidates for political office who refuse funds from Israeli lobbies
such as APAK, Christians United for Israel, J Street, and
the Zionist Organization of America. These the candidates we support,
have no dual loyalties or citizenships. These candidates actually in
the best ins of the American people, not on behalf
of Israel or its Zionists supporters in the US or elsewhere.
We support efforts to dismantle Zionist control, cut foreign entanglements
and prioritize the interests of American citizens above all by
advancing non interventionist policies that cut all foreign military aid,
including to Israel as it commits atrocities and crimes against humanity.
As a pack aims at a better America and a
better world, and a world liberated from endless foreign conflict, conflicts,
and imperial domination. We advocate for the removal of US
threats and sanctions against the due process of the International
Court of Justice and the International Criminal Court, ensuring these
institutions can independently hold accountable those responsible for international crimes
without interference from Zionists influence to US policies. In pursuit
of this vision, we will work to require APAC to
register as a foreign agent under the Foreign Agents Registration
Act PARAH. We will also work to protect civil liberties
against censorship and surveillance often tied to Zionist agendas, enforced
borders and immigration policies that safeguard American communities, pursue accountability
for lead corruption, and advocate all ending the federal reserves
grip on our economy. We support full investigations in the networks,
like Epstein's the foreign intelligence blackmail operations that they enable
or that enable them, and the foreign loyalties that compromise
our government and institutions. Through transparent, grassroots driven campaigns, as
a pack empowers a non interventionist freedom focused to America
free from zionists imperialist agendas, and dedicated to true sovereignty,
economic independence, and national prosperity. So that's the mission statement.
Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you a couple of questions. Sure,
do you have any equipment that can detect bugs in
your house, in your phone and anywhere else? And I'm
not even joking. Do you have any pets?
Speaker 2: I don't personally have a pet. I'm here now at
my son's place, watching my son's house.
Speaker 1: He has a cat.
Speaker 2: Why do you think it might be carrying a bug? No?
Speaker 1: Because I was listening to John Karaaku, former CIA agent
that he was on my show six years ago or
something like that. We were talking about Iran recently. He
was talking to Patrick by David and he talked about
how you know him? And some agents back in the
day went over to Israel and they tried to recruit
them to be a double one of them to be
a double agent and the guy was very rude and
told them to fuck off. And when he got home,
his dog's tail had been cut off, and he was,
you know, sitting in the corner crying and he's trying
to figure it out and his dog's tails just cut off.
And I'm thinking, well, you know, if some scholars or
athletes or astronauts had broken in, they probably would have
just robbed the place, not cut the dog's tail off,
because that's all that happened. Also, you know, you're you know,
I maybe get a car that's like older than nineteen
eighty five because they're they're not hijackable. And also, you know, look,
I'm saying all these things because I think you have.
I think you have. It's a great idea, and the
time has come. The thing is is if this were
to get any the kind of traction that it needs
to get, they're.
Speaker 2: Going to try to kill me.
Speaker 1: I mean, the at least are gonna child Porn is
going to be found on your computer. Jesus Christ, you know,
I mean, yeah, I mean these the look, these people
are psychopaths. Yeah I'm not talking I'm not talking about
the Jews. I'm talking about the people who this elite
that you're talking about, and it's always been the elite
if you study their history, you know, I mean, yeah,
there's behavioral issues don't fit in really with you know,
a lot of cultures. But really it's the elite that
are the most dangerous. They're incredible psychopaths, they are they
you know, I mean there's a reason why I under
people just don't fucking get this. Okay. There's a lot
of people out there on the Internet. There's a lot
of people who, you know, especially people who are anonymous
on the internet. They don't understand why people who are
using their own name, or people who have families or
people who own houses don't call out the Jews every
time they get a chance to exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get this crap from all these noons online
say the Jews, say the Jews. You know, listen, buddy,
you're sitting here behind an anonymous moniker. Okay, I got
my name out here for real, and uh that's all
they need, you know.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Yeah, look, I've just I've gotten to the
point in my life I've gotten old enough where I'm like,
I know the enemy is I'm you know, I'm not
heritage American but my family has been here for you know,
been here for over a century. My my family has
fought fought in the wars, and you know since then.
And you know, half of my my mother's family is
buried out in you know one you know, almost everybody
in my mother's family is buried out in one cemetery
half an hour south of Johnstown, Pennsylvania. So half of
my family is buried is grey.
Speaker 2: Close to where I am right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's buried here, you know, it's from here. The
other half is in Porto ric you know, the other
half's in Puerto Rico. But we've been here. They moved here,
you know, a century ago, left Puerto Rico and came here.
A century ago. I got nowhere else to go, man.
I mean it's like, you know, they talk about how
you know, oh, you know, every once in a while,
somebody will get mad at me because I don't because
I defend somebody they don't like, or I don't say
something the perfect way that they need me to say it,
because there's such a fucking egotistical piece of shit that
they're like, oh, you're you know, once we take power,
you're going back to Okay, where where am I going
back to? Where are you gonna send me to? I mean,
like literally, the only place you can send me is
like like sea cotton in El Salvador, like to a
prison somewhere. I don't Puerto Rico is still part of
this country, so that's kind of retarded. Spain won't have me,
you know, the Polish, you know what's Poland now, won't
won't have you know, won't have that side of my family.
So what the where the fuck am I going? I've
just decided I'm going to say whatever I want and
if they kill me, I'm fuck it. I mean, you
know it's yeah, you know, I mean, we're.
Speaker 2: This is a personal on a personal note, Do you
think I'm crazy for doing this?
Speaker 1: I don't think you're crazy for doing it, because if
it was, because when you read the room from what
happens since October seventh, this would be a this would
be the time to do it. I mean, I'm just
in a trying to in a very comedic way, I'm
basically trying to prepare you for what's coming. I mean,
these these are psychopaths. They you know, when you when
when you hear the stories about oh this is what
people will do to keep power. I mean, just look
at the Gaza strip. Yeah, this is what people will
do to keep power. I mean, I've seen I'm not
one of these people who harps on like the atrocities
because I'm I'm a realist when it comes to war.
You know. Also, I'm a Christian, and I believe that
this war wouldn't be happening unless God wanted it to. Sorry,
I'm kind of in that kind of camp. I'm in
that camp. And you know, but you know when you
watch a video of a I mean, I watch a
video of a little girl. She couldn't have been ten
years old. It was just walking with like some food
the other day, and a bomb dropped right next to her.
I'm talking, I'm talking about a bomb. Im like a
rocket or something, I don't know what it was, just
drop right next to her and she's gone. And it's
like and I'm like, if they'll do that to her, yea,
to me, Oh absolutely, they'll do that to me. I
mean it's like, I mean, they'll do that to any
of us, you know, and.
Speaker 2: To their own people, as they did on October seventh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, oh they don't they don't care. They don't.
When you, once you read Russian history, you find out
that their first victims were always their own people. When
they were forced into to send people to draft, they
sent them. When when when the czar was like, look
you people have dodged a draft long enough. If you're
going to be a part of this, you're if you're
going to be a part of this, you have to
you have to send people. We're going to have to
take conscripts. They would send the poorest, the most infirmed
of them, the ones that weren't in a leadership class,
and none of the leaderships. I mean, this is just
this is who they are. This is who they are,
you know, and it's been going on for a very
long time, and ignoring it, ignoring it because a narrative
has been built that this is the most abused people
of all time, culminating in an event that is not
even I mean, these people there are still people who
call themselves Jews. Anybody who's still calling themselves an Assyrian
is just LARPing. I mean, you're you know, their whole
kingdoms that are gone, gone from history, wash from history.
Ninety nine percent of history is lost. There are people
we there are people who are gone that we don't
even know about, you know, but these are you know,
they're this victim this victimhood narrative that you know, it's
kind of hard not to learn from them, because once
you realize who's in power and who's you know, who's
controlling a lot of the a lot of the thought
leaders and a lot of people, it's like, okay, well,
you know, it's once you realize how much power they
have over the government. Where guy gets a guy gets
arrested for you know, trying to solicit a child. Oh no,
send them back, send them back. How pedophiles from here
run there, you know, run there, run to the run
to Israel, and they protect them. Sometimes they'll send them back.
Sometimes they'll they'll convict them there. But it's not all
the time. It's not I mean, it's not all the time.
It's enough of them, you know, they praise you know,
there was a guy, I think back in nineteen ninety
nine who went in to a mosque and killed like
twenty one Muslims while they were praying, and I think
Smotrich has like a picture of him on his wall. Jesus,
these are people, I mean, these are.
Speaker 2: People who are not Hey, yeah, I mean we loasted
real quick. I need to turn my air conditioner back on.
Speaker 1: I'm dying, So yeah, I mean just basically what I'm
what I'm saying is is that I think this is
a good idea. I think it's a time an idea
that time has come. But you know, there's also You're
also going to have to deal with the fact that
there are gonna be people out there who are going
to tell you you have to have Jewish people involved
in this movement or it's going to you're gonna look
like a Nazi, or you're gonna have people who are
who are gonna say you can't have anybody who's Jewish
working for this because you don't know whether you don't
know what their real sympathies are and everything. So you know,
I mean, I I don't know. You know, It's like,
I mean, I'm I understand, I understand all positions. I
That's one thing I try to figure out is you know,
it's like it's like Marxists, like classic Marxist. Yeah, I understand,
And yeah they are like literally my sworn enemy. They're
probably the complete opposite of what I believe and everything.
But still I still seek to understand them, because if
you don't understand your enemy, there's no way you're going
to be able to defeat them. Yeah, and I mean
I think Zionism is the enemy of the United States.
It has been for eighty years. It's culminating now. I
don't know who the hell is running the White House.
But you know, if Donald if Donald Trump thinks that
he's you know, if he wants to present himself as
the President of the United States and that he's in charge,
I don't know, maybe maybe not care so fucking much,
and hire somebody who was born in Israel and they're
going to be appointed state the state attorney for Nevada.
You're going to have what just happened now with Oklahoma.
Everybody's like, oh, Oklahoma, their their education system is being
completely overturned. Yeah, and it's going to be run by
Prager you. Now, it's just who's who. The head of
Peger You is a former intelligence agent for the friggin
for the frigin Israel military. So, I mean, where the
fuck this isn't America. I mean America has been. I mean,
we have traces of America here. There are places you
can go that it's still America. But when it comes
to the politics of America, this is the politics of Israel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean, I'm and I'm you know, I'm
and I'm being I'm trying to take the most diplomat
say it in the most diplomatic way, because it's it's angering.
It should be angering to everybody, especially if your family
has been here since the beginning and like settled this
place and died for this place and went out on
the front, went went across the prairies and risked everything
to build this country.
Speaker 1: And now look what it is. It's just it's basically
an annuity that another country can just take money from
whenever they want. And you know there's right now there's
more Jews serving American quote unquote American Jews serving in
the IDF than there are in the American military. Give me,
I'm fucking done. I'm done. I mean, I want this
to work, you know, Michael's it's a time that it
is the thing that it's it's time has come. But
you know, and I would never say don't do it.
I would just say, know what you're getting into by
doing this, because these are not good people.
Speaker 2: They're not they're beyond belief psychopaths, and.
Speaker 1: I mean, the IDF is the most moral army in
the world. Did you know that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could you mess Joe. I'm not worried. I
guess the you know, the physical attacks, I'm not. I'm
not too worried about that. I guess the reputational stuff
that I'll take already, the A d L I think
has written me up. H. This is to be expected,
I think. But you know, it could get worse, but
we'll see. I guess you're saying, don't leave my computer
in my house ever, just carry it with me at
all times, because.
Speaker 1: Oh, that doesn't matter, dude. They can they can do
that remote.
Speaker 2: They can get on it anyway.
Speaker 1: They can get on it. Yeah, they can get on
it remote. I mean, it's it's just one of It's
one of those things where when you start talking about
international jewelry and their power, it almost feels like you
have to say all the time, I'm not a pedophile,
I don't have child porn on my computer, and I'm
not suicidal. Yeah, because I mean.
Speaker 2: I've said the last one. I said that I'm not suicidal,
but I may have to say the other ones just
because you know they could try that. Yeah, yeah, and
everything they accuse you of their doing. So that's the idea.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. It's like you know what you were
saying when about the the attacks that you had at
n Yu. All that is is it's it's an old
Jewish trope of they cry out and cry out in
pain as they strike you, right, you know, they act
like the victim while they're like literally leveling your buildings
and killing your killing your grandkids and killing your grandparents.
They're killing your kids and killing your grandparents. I mean,
I don't know, man, I don't know. I'm I'm trying
to do everything I can. I'm organizing in real life,
which is I think the most important thing. If you're
if you think you're gonna do, if you think you're
gonna win this battle just online, you're not at all.
You're out of your mind. You know, you have to forget.
Speaker 2: What do you think of the uh the New Movement?
I guess the white they're calling them White Supreme of
course in uh is it? Uh, it's not. It's Arizona
Return to the Land movement. Yeah. I think they have
every right to do that.
Speaker 1: I mean everybody should every Yeah, everybody should be able
to do that any gump that wants to do that.
If you want to do it as Catholics, if you
want to do it as Protestants, if you want to
do it as Presbyterians. Do you want to do it
as whites, if you want to do it as blacks,
if you want to do it as Jews, you should
be able to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm sorry. That's it is. The problem has is multiculturalism.
It does not work. The only way multiculturalism works is
with authoritarianism. Lee Kuan, you you know when Leakwan you
you know, when he looked at what Singapore was and
how it was just multi racial, multi ethnic of Asians
who Asian groups really hate each other. There's real and
you know inter battles there. Yeah, he said, well, the
way we're going to have an orderly society is if
you spit gum on the street, you are going to
be caned publicly. If you scam somebody, you are going
to be in jail for a very very long time,
if you you know. And the thing is they don't
police like like speech, like if if if a China
if a Chinese person. I've heard this story from somebody
who said they saw it firsthand. Chinese person tried to
walk into a Japanese restaurant and the Japanese person called
them a dog and told them to get out. In
Singapore that you run to the police with that, and
they're gonna be like, move along, sir, But you cannot.
If you're going to have order you're gonna need in
a multi racial, a multi ethnic society. The only way
it's gonna work with authoritarianism, with authoritarian control. Do we
want that? Well, I mean that's a question for who
whomever it be. Yeah, yeah, well it would be it
would be better just to separate. Yeah, I mean this, yeah, yeah,
so yeah, I think that you know, to go back
to the so this. I think it's time. I think
that more and more people are starting to see that,
you know, Kumbayah amongst people who Yeah, people like to
say we're one country. But you know, someone who lives
in Salt Lake City, you know, a Mormon in Salt
Lake City probably doesn't have a lot in common with
a guy who lives like on the Lower East Side
of Manhattan. They're probably complete opposites. There's a there's a
real clash there, and it seems like the only thing
that brings ever brings us together for a very short
period of time is tragedy. But it's a short period
of time. And then it reverted within a week after
nine to eleven. It was like for a couple of days, everybody,
your politicians going, we need to stand together against this
evil menace and everything, and then a week later it's like,
oh no, we're going to do it this way. Oh no,
we're going to do it our way. Oh no, we're
going to do it.
Speaker 2: Okay, sure, I mean yeah, sorry, yeah, so I agree
with you. That's what they do is with multiculturalism, is
they impose a totalitarian regime because that's the only way
that people will abide by it. And that's I think
that's happening here. I mean, that's obviously happening here. And
I think it benefits a certain group, as we know,
who do not like homogenious white societies because they feel
threatened in such societies or they feel that they are
at risk in some sense of being a you know,
so they love to have more.
Speaker 1: They stand out. Yeah, that's the thing. They stand out.
So if you have a Multicut, you know, they stood
out in Germany they definitely stood out in the Russian Empire.
So if you have a multicultural society, where you know,
you have five different groups that completely look different and
act different, if you have this other group that acts
insular and acts different, well then it's just another group exactly.
And because they're organized, and because they have resources, and
because they have international resources, it's very easy for them
to in most cases take over and guide the politics
and even take over the politics of that country. I mean,
Biden's cabinet was seventy percent Jewish. Yeah, okay, two percent
of the population. Okay, you can I've heard the argument,
Oh well, most Jews live around cities. Okay, well they don't,
not Washington, Dcy. Well, you're not going to convince me
that happened organically. You're not going to convince me that
the best person got the job, and you're not You're
definitely not going to convince me after four years of
Biden's cabinet being seventy percent that they're very successful. Because
if you think that that was a success and that
I'm jealous and I'm only talking about them because I'm
jealous of their success, Yeah, No, that's not it.
Speaker 2: That's not it.
Speaker 1: The fact. Maybe it was the fact that Merrick Garland
was not targeting blacks breaking into you know, doing you know,
those whole gang things where they went into San Francisco
businesses and stole just the right amount of route so
they didn't get arrested. Now, it didn't charge he didn't
concentrate on them. He concentrated on little old ladies who
are Catholic who are praying outside of abortion clinics, or
who did sit ins and abortion clinics. Yeah, it seems
like there's an animosity there. Or people whose families historically
come from Palist settlement, which is Ukraine, who have insinuated
themselves into the government and then push for war with Russia,
their sworn enemy for centuries.
Speaker 2: Centuries, maybe going back to seven hundred.
Speaker 1: Actually, So it's like, I don't know, maybe there's a
conflict of interest there. I don't know, I don't know.
Maybe I'm just jealous. Yeah, you know, I mean it's
like I'm sorry, you know, I'm I know where I'm
know where my family came from in the Old Country.
I'm a fucking American. This is all I got. Yes,
I want to leave this place better than you know,
than I found it. I was you know, I was
born into the Vietnam War era, and then I went
through the Cold War era and in the nineties, which
was a fucking that what a lot of people like
to say it was a Golden Age, which was a
horror show, you know, in a lot of in a
lot of places. And then you have the grow I've known, well,
I've known my whole life is war, and you know,
and and a lot of it is war for this
one certain group, right, I just want I'd like to
see a little bit of that change before I die.
Speaker 2: I'm doing it, I guess at personal peril and perhaps
against self interest in some sense, but I felt the temperature. Frankly,
I felt the temperature out there, and I thought, there's
going to be a lot of support for this. I mean,
I'm already getting people like where do I get? Where
do I donate? How do I donate? There like hundreds
of people saying how do I donate? You know, we
don't have that set up yet, but we're getting there,
and so I think there's a huge ground swell. The
question is will they try to destroy well, they will
try to destroy it, will they succeed? And do we
have the collective power to counter this if you know,
we don't. We're not the billionaire class. You know, they've
got a lot of the billionaires, most of them, so
you know, their funds are unlimited. But we do have
a pool of resources that we can that we can
work from. And I think that's what we're going to
have to do. And then there are some very rich
people that will also be interested.
Speaker 1: I think, well, you know, that's that's the way these
things work. You know, the only thing you have to
worry about then you have to worry you about things
becoming managerial. And yeah, I've never I've never started a pack,
never started a party, but you know, I've watched a
pack work. I've watched a pack evolve. And one of
the things that one of the problems I had watching
that pack evolve was when it got to the point
where they could hire their first person full time. Yeah, there,
then their main focus became how do we get a
second person hired from?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, growth of the of the institution, Yeah, there's that.
There's that.
Speaker 1: It is James Burnham, the managerial revolution.
Speaker 2: Exactly. There is the you know, there is this thing
about all institutions have a kind of intrinsic imperative to
expand and grow, and that is something definitely to watch
out for. And I'm not interested in making that we're
going toization itself so big. I want to have its
impact be really outsized in comparison to the amount of
people that are actually doing it well.
Speaker 1: One of the one of the other pitfalls is is
that when you start out, when you start out with
an organization that's highly ideological, unless it stays ideological, you know,
there's that. I think it's O Sullivan's law that any
organization that doesn't start out explicitly right wing moves to
the left eventually. Right that I think is I think
that's you can also say that any anyone that doesn't
start out with the intention of sticking to its focus
and being laser focused on one issue, then they have
they're going to become managerial after a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolute. And along those lines, I was thinking
that we're going to stay ideological for sure. And the
question I did have is, and I'm still pondering it,
as like there's a lot of leftists that are interested
as well, because this is one issue amongst around which
the left so called and the right actually could unite,
and that is around the question of Zion's influence. Of course,
if you push it in another direction or more explicit language,
that's it for them, the left, they would be out,
you know. But I think it's possible to actually have
some impact, not impact from them, but to have some support. Well,
they're not going to run the show. I can tell
you that, and we're not done.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to say. I was
going to say, they can help out with my money
all they want, but you cannot allow them to You
can't allow them in the door. No, because they will
take over and they will it will be a leftist organization.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be left just and before you know that,
they're going to do the domestic prong of what this
elite group wants. They'll they'll be focused on that. You know,
they're fine with the domestic prong of of you know,
this Jewish billionaire class. But then you know, the only
thing they object to is the is the military aspect
of it.
Speaker 1: Right Ah, But I'm no problem. They have no problem
with the cultural You know that the World Jewish you
know videos that the World Jewish Congress UH brag about
how they're responsible for feminism and the gay rights movement
and the Civil Rights Act and all these things. They
have no problem with those things. Well, those things are
those things need to be addressed as well.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like Dennis Prager. It's like Dennis Prager has said,
except for Nazism, every other ism was completely was run
overwhelmingly by Jews. And when I when I found a
Time of Times of Israel article that said that when
Mao was setting up his terror regime, that eighty percent
of the volunteers were Jewish, and at Times of Israel
ran this article, I'm like, I'm like, I just don't
I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 2: I wrote about that in my book The Great Reset
and the Struggle for Liberty, about all the the Jewish
uh uh intellectuals, if you know, put it generously, we're
very you know, surrounding Mau. It was it was a
shipload of Jewish, of Jewish people, I mean from uh well,
I don't want to get into the names, but because
there's too many, and I don't remember many of them,
but I remember some Josh Shapiro and some others. And
then there and then I found an article bragging about
this by a Jewish scholar written in an academic journal.
I love finding things like that. That excites me to
no end whenever they you find this stuff in academic journals,
right where they're trying to disguise things. Largely here they
are bragging about the impact of Jewish people on Miles regime,
and you know how basically they started the They did
all a lot of the propaganda around the Great Leap
Forward and around the Cultural Revolution and stuff like that.
So yeah, that was pretty surprising.
Speaker 1: Of course, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't go out of my way in that book to say,
look at all these Jews. I just listed their names
and showed what and what their functions were, you know,
and let the people, let the readers put it together.
But the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot. I was gonna say, yeah, no, it's yeah.
I think one of the Guggenheim's daughters was over there
helping with that. She had actually left Manhattan to go
help with that. And it's like and you're like, okay, well,
why why are you at the why are you at
the head of every one of these everyone you know?
He you know, and Prager said Bolshevism. He said, overwhelmingly Jews,
And I mean I'm reading Soulshanis since two hundred years
together on the on the show right now. Yeah, we're going, yeah,
we're going through all of that. I mean, it's like,
come on, let's yeah, you can't. You're not even allowed
to bring this up unless you're celebrating it. Yeah. What
I was going to say was, you know, one of
the oldest, uh Jewish newspapers in the country is called
The Forward, and now they're online they're called the Daily Forward.
And every once in a while you'll just read a
headline and you'll be like, are you kidding me? You know,
they'll have like they've they've actually had headlines where they
said it's anti semitic, it's an anti Semitic conspiracy theory
to say that Jews control banking. And then like a
year later they'll do an article celebrating how Jews control banking,
and and there's this there's this game you play where
it's like, okay, is this headline from the Daily Forward
or the Daily Stormer, because you're like, you're like, if
you want to create, if you want to create anti Semites,
put out articles like this that people read exactly. I mean,
come on, guys, at least talk about it. What is
what has caused this? What has caused this revolutionary spirit?
You know that e. Michael Jones, you know has.
Speaker 2: Book called about that extensively.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what is it? Where to come from?
Speaker 2: How?
Speaker 1: How did it happen? What do you think it's been
good for the world? But no, you're not allowed to
have these these discussions are not allowed to happen because
you know Germany. Yeah, that must be that must be
fun for you being a German.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I get I got a kind of a
double whammy with that, and I get that all the time.
Look look at your last name. He looked like, you know,
Nazi uh, you know Stormtrooper's name or a Nazi uh
propaganda's name and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean that
was a little bit of an extra jeopardy there. But
I don't care.
Speaker 1: All right, man, I'm gonna let you go. We've been
We can sit here fetching all night. But but I
think I think you're supposed to just like imply the
k a little bit. Yeah yeah, but when are you
going to have a site up for this? Should I
just direct people to your Twitter Twitter account right now?
Speaker 2: Or what I want to direct them to the Twitter.
But we'll have a site up by next week, early
next week. It'll be a U as a pack that's
a z A dash pack dot com, a z A
dot dashpack dot dot com. We try to get as
apack dot org. And it's forty six thousand dollars, which
is not something we can afford right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well yeah, even if you could afford that, I'd say,
don't do it.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, distortion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but all right, and where can people get your
books and stuff? I mean, yeah, what's funny? What's funny is?
I wanted I wanted to mention this in the beginning
when when Michael was talking about being a professor at NYU.
But how many books did you write as a professor?
Speaker 2: Oh well, I wrote about eight books as a professor,
and I've written six since then. Speaking of which, my
last book is maybe interesting for your readers. It's called
the for your listeners, it's called The Cabal Question, and
it's a piece of fiction. It's a novel. I think
it's good. A lot of people like it, but it's
you know, of course I haven't promoted it that much,
but uh, yeah, I've written fourteen books. You can get
all that on my website, Michael rectinwall dot com.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, all right man, all right, thank you and
I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 2: Take care, okay, take care man, Nice talking to you.
Bye bye