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Speaker 2: Good Evening.
Speaker 3: The true story of a trailblazing detective search for a
Speaker 3: beautiful college co ed who vanished without a trace In
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty one. Detective k Shocker was the lead investigator
Speaker 3: in the high profile missing person's case of Old Dominion
Speaker 3: University student Janis. The beautiful co ed disappeared without a
Speaker 3: trace from Old Dominion University's Norfolk, Virginia campus. As Kay
Speaker 3: studied the diary going several years back, she learned that Janis,
Speaker 3: a U S. Army veteran, had faced the same challenges
Speaker 3: in the military that Kay did in law enforcement. They
Speaker 3: were both women trying to succeed in a man's world.
Speaker 3: Feeling a kinship towards Janis, Kay became consumed with unraveling
Speaker 3: the mystery of Janis's disappearance and possible death. As the
Speaker 3: investigation unfolded, Kay began to suspect that Janie had an
Speaker 3: affair with her rotc professor at Old Dominion University, Army
Speaker 3: Captain Dwight Bettingfield, a well respected family man married with
Speaker 3: three kids. Kay was warned by superiors to tread life
Speaker 3: in her investigation of Bettingfield and cautioned not to dig
Speaker 3: too deeply, But she soon uncovered a life insurance scheme
Speaker 3: and discovered that Janie had been assigned a series of
Speaker 3: dangerous tasks by Captain Bettingfield. Did these circumstances play a
Speaker 3: role in Janie's demise? Was the highly regarded betting Field
Speaker 3: actually a killer? If so, what did he do with
Speaker 3: Janie's remains? The book that we're featuring this evening is
Speaker 3: In the Wind, The Disappearance of Janice Starr, with my
Speaker 3: special guest, journalist, lecturer and author, Ron Peterson Junior. Welcome
Speaker 3: back to the program, and thank you very much for
Speaker 3: this interview. Ron Peterson Junior.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, Dan, it's great to be with you again.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you having me on your podcast.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, and congratulations on your late in
Speaker 3: the Wind.
Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate it. I'm excited to talk with you
Speaker 4: about it today.
Speaker 3: You take us to the summer of nineteen eighty one
Speaker 3: and Virginia Beach. Let's talk about Janis Starr and her
Speaker 3: background in her life and a little bit about Virginia Beach.
Speaker 4: Sure, that's a great place to start. Dan Janis Starr,
Speaker 4: who is the victim in this case that we'll talk about,
Speaker 4: was born in nineteen fifty eight in the New York
Speaker 4: City area. At an early age, her parents divorced, her
Speaker 4: mother remarried, and the family moved to Miami, which obviously
Speaker 4: was a big change from New York City. Jane spent
Speaker 4: her formidable years there in Miami. You can could certainly
Speaker 4: look up pictures of her again. It was Janis Starr
Speaker 4: last named Sta r R. Very attractive young lady. She
Speaker 4: enjoyed the beach lifestyle in Myami and South Beach in
Speaker 4: that area, lived not far from the ocean, and certainly
Speaker 4: had the look of someone who was from the beach. Janice,
Speaker 4: and she enjoyed the night life like a lot of
Speaker 4: young people back in the late nineteen seventies when she
Speaker 4: was in high school and when she graduated from high school,
Speaker 4: her parents, who were affluent, they offered to pay for
Speaker 4: the expenses of her college. They said, you know, she
Speaker 4: could go to college as long as she stayed enrolled
Speaker 4: and made good grades, they would fit the bill. Janis, though,
Speaker 4: did not want to go to college. She was more
Speaker 4: of an independent person and decided to enter the US Army.
Speaker 4: And again, this was the late seventies, This was about
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy eight, and that was an unconventional choice for
Speaker 4: a woman back in that day. You know, the army
Speaker 4: then and you could say and now, but certainly especially
Speaker 4: back then. You know, it was a man's world, and
Speaker 4: she was a woman who you know, wanted to join
Speaker 4: the army and try to try to make it in
Speaker 4: a man world. She was encouraged by the possibility of
Speaker 4: duty stations in foreign countries.
Speaker 5: You know, getting out and being able to travel.
Speaker 4: And see the world. And was also a patriot. She
Speaker 4: wanted to wanted to serve her country. You know, there
Speaker 4: was not an active war or any type of conflict
Speaker 4: at that time, but she felt that service to her
Speaker 4: country and the opportunity to travel and see the world
Speaker 4: was really the best thing for her at that time.
Speaker 4: And she'd take you know, three or four years try
Speaker 4: to figure things out. Decide what she wanted to do
Speaker 4: with the rest of her life, and then at that
Speaker 4: point she'd be prepared to go to college. So that's
Speaker 4: exactly what she did. And in her early years she
Speaker 4: was stationed at Fayeteville, North Carolina, which you know, as
Speaker 4: you know, there's a big army base. It was called
Speaker 4: Fort Bragg then Jannis encountered, you know, like I guess,
Speaker 4: like a lot of women, certainly now, but especially back
Speaker 4: in the late seventies, a great deal of discrimination and harassment.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: She, as I said, she was attractive even even in
Speaker 4: army fatigues and her hair tucked under her cap, but
Speaker 4: she had a lot of challenges with that and was
Speaker 4: was certainly a bit discouraged by that. She finally had
Speaker 4: the chance to travel internationally when she was stationed at
Speaker 4: a at a joint Army Air Force base in South Korea,
Speaker 4: and she'd moved there, and it was there that she
Speaker 4: met the woman that would become her best friend. Her
Speaker 4: name and we're going to use a pseudonym for her
Speaker 4: name for privacy reasons, as I did in the book.
Speaker 4: Her name is Paula Matteo, and paul and Janie pretty
Speaker 4: quickly they were you know, they were soulmates, they were
Speaker 4: best friends. They had a lot in common. They both
Speaker 4: enjoyed the night life in South Korea, you know, navigating
Speaker 4: the foreign land and although the certainly the military base
Speaker 4: and US soldiers had a strong presence there, but spent
Speaker 4: a lot of time together. And Paula was sort of
Speaker 4: a sort of a mentor to Janie. She was a
Speaker 4: bit older, a bit more worldly, and provide a lot
Speaker 4: of guidance for Janice, not only you know, with dating
Speaker 4: and romance and things like that, but also career wise.
Speaker 4: Paula was some really had her stuff together. She had
Speaker 4: earned a bachelor's degree while she was on duty, and
Speaker 4: she planned on attending law school once she separated from
Speaker 4: the military. Janie decided, you know that she was, that
Speaker 4: it was about time to pursue her college degree. By then,
Speaker 4: she'd been in the army for three years, and Paula
Speaker 4: and Janie together decided to move to the Washington, d C. Area,
Speaker 4: to Metropolitan d C in the US, where Paula could
Speaker 4: attend law school and Janice could attend undergraduate and work
Speaker 4: on getting her bachelor's degree.
Speaker 5: So that's what they did.
Speaker 4: They lived in the northern Virginia area of Alexandria, just
Speaker 4: outside Washington, d C. It was there that Janie met
Speaker 4: the man who was probably the love of her life.
Speaker 4: His name was Randy, and she quickly fell in love
Speaker 4: with Randy and decided she wanted to spend the rest
Speaker 4: of her life with him.
Speaker 5: And he lived down in.
Speaker 4: What we call in Virginia the Hampton Roads area, also
Speaker 4: known as Tidewater, which is an area metropolitan area that
Speaker 4: consists of cities like Virginia Beach, Norfolk, Williamsburg, Newport News.
Speaker 5: If you're familiar with those cities, yes, So.
Speaker 4: She moved down there and really liked Virginia Beach, you know,
Speaker 4: in some ways it reminded her of the beaches of Miami.
Speaker 4: She and Randy began to settle down. They moved in together.
Speaker 4: Jannis found a college down there that really fit.
Speaker 5: Her needs very well.
Speaker 4: It was called Old Dominion University or ODU, and back
Speaker 4: then it was sort of a small, growing college, a
Speaker 4: lot of folks mostly from Virginia. Now it's a full
Speaker 4: fledged university and much bigger. But she really liked the
Speaker 4: atmosphere in the vibe at Old Dominion University, so she
Speaker 4: enrolled in classes there, and this would have been in
Speaker 4: the fall of nineteen eighty one. Again, she was living
Speaker 4: with her boyfriend Randy and Jennis had by then she
Speaker 4: had shed left active duty with the Army, but she
Speaker 4: was still in the Army reserves. So she was serving
Speaker 4: the US Army one weekend a month on duty and
Speaker 4: then also, you know, would train for a few weeks
Speaker 4: in the summer months. And then in addition to that,
Speaker 4: she joined the ROTC program at Old Domnyan University, that's
Speaker 4: the Reserve Officers Training Corps. And her goal was to
Speaker 4: graduate with a bachelor's degree from Old Dominion University and
Speaker 4: then rejoined the Army, and at that point she'd be
Speaker 4: an officer and you know, would have a lot more
Speaker 4: opportunity there and probably not face as many challenges as
Speaker 4: she did as a young enlisted person. So as of
Speaker 4: the fall of nineteen eighty one, that's that's what was
Speaker 4: going on in Janas Stars World.
Speaker 3: You say that she started classes August thirty first, and
Speaker 3: within a few days the relationship that she felt was
Speaker 3: her forever love had changed. Tell us about the letters
Speaker 3: that she received when she got home from classes.
Speaker 4: One day, It sure did, Dan, Yeah, one day early
Speaker 4: in the school year, she came home to the apartment
Speaker 4: she shared with her boyfriend Randy, and he was not there.
Speaker 4: There was a there was a note on the on
Speaker 4: the counter, and the note said, you know, Janie, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I've gone back to you know, to patch things up
Speaker 4: with my wife. I'm you know, I've left you. I've
Speaker 4: moved back to New York. I mean, I'm sorry that
Speaker 4: this that it ended like this, and I wish you well.
Speaker 4: And as you'd imagine, Janis was crushed, you know. She
Speaker 4: one of the things about it, she did not realize
Speaker 4: that he was married. At the time, he was separated
Speaker 4: from his wife. He was probably planning on getting a divorce,
Speaker 4: but then, you know, then had had second thoughts and
Speaker 4: wanted to reconcile with his wife, which was why he left.
Speaker 4: So you can imagine how devastated Janie was. She was
Speaker 4: she was actually twenty three years old at the time.
Speaker 4: I guess I didn't mention her age, but you know,
Speaker 4: here was someone she'd wanted to spend the rest of
Speaker 4: her life with, and so she felt, you know, not
Speaker 4: only was she upset, but she felt like she'd been
Speaker 4: you know, been used, making man her matters worse. Janie
Speaker 4: was also in a bit of a financial pickle. She
Speaker 4: had in moving a lot of the paychecks she was
Speaker 4: received from the Army of Reserves with her change of address,
Speaker 4: she did not received them yet. Rent was due. She
Speaker 4: was flat broke, and she was counting on Randy to
Speaker 4: help her pay the rent.
Speaker 5: And split the bills.
Speaker 4: And not only had had he left her, but he
Speaker 4: had taken some cash she kept around in savings I
Speaker 4: mentioned in the book, but I believe it was around
Speaker 4: five hundred dollars and took her favorite camera as well.
Speaker 5: So Janie was at that point.
Speaker 4: She was just she had just hit rock bottom. You
Speaker 4: can imagine how devastated she.
Speaker 3: Was, absolutely you say that. Two days after Randy left her,
Speaker 3: which was September fourth, nineteen eighty one, Janie had a
Speaker 3: meeting scheduled with her academic advisor, a Captain Dwight betting Field,
Speaker 3: and he was also her military science professor, and Captain
Speaker 3: Benningfield was thirty five years old, tall, fit and handsome.
Speaker 3: Tell us about this initial meeting between.
Speaker 4: Them exactly Dan and as I described in my book
Speaker 4: in the Wind. So Janics goes into this meeting again,
Speaker 4: she's at rock Bottom as just devastated. You described Captain
Speaker 4: Bettingfield very well. He was thirty five years old, a
Speaker 4: family man, married with actually three kids. He was a
Speaker 4: career army officer. His background he was originally from the Norfolk,
Speaker 4: Virginia area where Old Dominion University is located. So he
Speaker 4: was what we call a local boy done good in
Speaker 4: these parts in Virginia. He had attended Marie High School
Speaker 4: in Norfolk and then attended Old Dominion University and entered
Speaker 4: active duty in the army and was an Army captain
Speaker 4: and had had served his country very well, had a
Speaker 4: tour of duty in Europe. I had spent time at
Speaker 4: an army base in Turkey, was very well thought of.
Speaker 4: About a year prior to nineteen eighty one, the ROTC
Speaker 4: job opened up for him to be the assistant director
Speaker 4: of the ROTC program, or what they'd call in the
Speaker 4: Army the EXO, as the number two man in charge
Speaker 4: of this ROTC unit which had which had a few
Speaker 4: hundred students in it at that time. The job was,
Speaker 4: you know, by by all observations, it was a perfect
Speaker 4: fit for him.
Speaker 5: You know, he liked it.
Speaker 4: He was a good example for the students, you know,
Speaker 4: it would appear. It's important though too. You know, he
Speaker 4: was Dwight Bettingfield was someone straight out of Central casting.
Speaker 4: He was tall, was about six', two, square jog, guy you,
Speaker 4: know obviously clean, cut a nice looking, guy well, spoken
Speaker 4: had a commanding presence and certainly you, know could communicated
Speaker 4: and articulated his thoughts very. Well so he was he
Speaker 4: was an authority. Figure as you, said he Was janis's academic,
Speaker 4: advisor which in college is someone who they provide you
Speaker 4: guidance on what courses to take and how to prepare
Speaker 4: yourself for your. Career but in a military, environment in
Speaker 4: THE rtc environment as it was there In, odu the
Speaker 4: advisors also also gave a lot of life advice and
Speaker 4: things like financial, advice and you, know really provided a
Speaker 4: lot of guidance to the cadets who were in their
Speaker 4: command that were. Students so she went that day for
Speaker 4: a meeting with. Him, yes And, DAN i can get
Speaker 4: into what happened in that meeting or if you want
Speaker 4: to hold back on, that you, know, whatever you, Think.
Speaker 3: WELL i think it's important for to establish what exactly
Speaker 3: what advice he did give. Her, Specifically he also noticed
Speaker 3: that there's something, Wrong so he asked, her please tell
Speaker 3: me what is. Wrong so what does she tell? Him
Speaker 3: and what does this financial advisement end up?
Speaker 2: Being?
Speaker 4: Exactly dan about five minutes into their, Meeting, janice who's
Speaker 4: an emotional wreck at that, time broke down and let
Speaker 4: me take a step back for quick second and, say you,
Speaker 4: know a lot of these things we're talking about as
Speaker 4: if we were, there because in a way we. Were
Speaker 4: janice was a very meticulous journal, keeper and she kept
Speaker 4: a diary with with great detail on what she was
Speaker 4: doing in her daily. Activities and excuse, me in addition to,
Speaker 4: that she sent. Letters you, KNOW i mentioned her Friend Paula.
Speaker 4: Matteo she And paula this was pre internet and phone
Speaker 4: calls were prohibitively expensive back. Then you, know there weren't
Speaker 4: cell phones in nineteen eighty one as we know them.
Speaker 4: Now so they wrote each other, letters and a big
Speaker 4: part of their, letters you, know these were, long multi
Speaker 4: page letters that you, know told a lot of what
Speaker 4: they did that, day what they were, feeling you, know
Speaker 4: why they did the things they. Did and those letters Of,
Speaker 4: janice's which we'll get, into you, know and as well
Speaker 4: as her, diary you, know were later. Found so when
Speaker 4: we WHEN i talk about some of these, things AND
Speaker 4: i talk about them as if they were, certainty because
Speaker 4: that's the way she described. It so going back to
Speaker 4: her meeting With Dwight, bettingfield you, know right away she
Speaker 4: she broke down and she was she was upset and you,
Speaker 4: know kind of sobbing during the, meeting and of, course you,
Speaker 4: know he, said what what's, Wrong janis you, know something's,
Speaker 4: wrong and she, said, oh don't worry about, it and he, said,
Speaker 4: no please tell. Me you know there's ANYTHING i can
Speaker 4: do to help, You i'll you, know glad to do.
Speaker 4: It and he seemed to be really sympathetic. Person so she,
Speaker 4: explained you, know what had happened with her, relationship how
Speaker 4: upset she, was and then also explained her financial position to.
Speaker 4: Him you, know that she was she was an independent
Speaker 4: person and that just through this set of, circumstances you,
Speaker 4: know she was she was, broken had bills do and so.
Speaker 4: Forth Betting, field you, know he consoled, her you, know
Speaker 4: spoke to her in a very sympathetic, fashion and loaned
Speaker 4: her some money to get her through the next few,
Speaker 4: days you, know and take care of take care of
Speaker 4: some bills.
Speaker 5: She paid back the.
Speaker 4: Loan then the next day he called to check on,
Speaker 4: her you, know just next day was A, saturday to.
Speaker 5: See if she was doing. Okay she said she.
Speaker 4: Was and then to her, surprise he's, that you, know
Speaker 4: would you would you like to go get some? Pizza
Speaker 4: and she said. Sure so they, did you, know he
Speaker 4: crossed that. Line and in terms of seeing one of
Speaker 4: his students, socially you, know there's also the fraternization thing
Speaker 4: if you're in the. Military you, know he's an, officer
Speaker 4: she was one of the people in his. Command they
Speaker 4: met for lunch and then you, know we can get
Speaker 4: into that part in a. Bit going back to your, Question,
Speaker 4: Dan i'm SORRY i varied from. That but so in the,
Speaker 4: meeting he provided her with some financial advice and a
Speaker 4: lot of it was basic. Things he went over her
Speaker 4: bills and what she, was you, know how much money
Speaker 4: she was, making how much tuition, was what other bills she,
Speaker 4: had you, know kind of went over that in a
Speaker 4: ledger and made some recommendations To janice in terms of her.
Speaker 4: Banking there was a credit union on campus that served
Speaker 4: a financial institution that specialized in serving members of the.
Speaker 4: Military there was several big military bases near near In.
Speaker 5: Norfolk there so she.
Speaker 4: Followed that, advice and then in subsequent meetings he told
Speaker 4: her that it would be a good idea for her
Speaker 4: to take out a life insurance. Policy and she, said you, know,
Speaker 4: Hey I'm Captain, Bettingfield i'm twenty. Three why WOULD i
Speaker 4: take out a life insurance? Policy he, said, well two.
Speaker 4: Reasons one will it will improve your credit and two
Speaker 4: the type of insurance life Insurance i'd recommend is also an.
Speaker 4: Investment it's a financial. Instrument it's an investment that will help,
Speaker 4: you you, know accumulate more. Money being, young it's a
Speaker 4: perfect time to do. It so he kind of sold
Speaker 4: the idea to her of buying a life insurance, policy
Speaker 4: just like an insurance salesman would. Do and when it
Speaker 4: came time for her to do, that she went to
Speaker 4: a financial or financial institution came to her CALLED usaa
Speaker 4: that's still around, now and she took out over three
Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars in life insurance at his. Recommendation you,
Speaker 4: know he'd been so nice to help her and now
Speaker 4: was nice enough to give her financial. Advice and when
Speaker 4: it came time for her to list the beneficiary on the.
Speaker 4: Policy janice we talked about the fact that she was very,
Speaker 4: independent so she, said you know, WHAT i don't want
Speaker 4: to have my parents involved with. THIS i don't want
Speaker 4: my mother and stepfather to be in my. Business she
Speaker 4: didn't know who to put as the beneficiary for the
Speaker 4: life insurance, policy And Captain bettingfield was, there and he,
Speaker 4: said you know, what just put my. Name nothing will
Speaker 4: ever happen to. You just put down me for the,
Speaker 4: beneficiary kind of like an all shucks kind of, way
Speaker 4: and that's exactly what she. Did so as of Early
Speaker 4: september of nineteen eighty, One janis had over three hundred
Speaker 4: thousand dollars in life insurance with the sole beneficiary was
Speaker 4: doctor Or Captain Dwight.
Speaker 3: Bettingfield let's use this as an opportunity to stop to
Speaker 3: hear these messages.
Speaker 2: Now you talk about.
Speaker 3: That he advised, her just innocently that maybe she should
Speaker 3: use this, instrument as he called, it this life, insurance
Speaker 3: so she might be able to get a loan. Again
Speaker 3: it was just a good thing for, her very innocent
Speaker 3: to him being a beneficiary on this life insurance. Policy
Speaker 3: but their relationship went beyond just advising and what originally
Speaker 3: their role was what happened in the, Relationship, well it.
Speaker 4: Sure, Did, dan as you, know AS i mentioned, earlier
Speaker 4: right after they had their first, meeting he followed up
Speaker 4: with a phone call. Tour they met on A saturday for.
Speaker 4: Pizza things accelerated pretty quickly from. There one of the
Speaker 4: things they did that first, Day Captain bettingfield also happened
Speaker 4: to be a. Pilot he was a private pilot and
Speaker 4: had his right pilot's. License so they went to an
Speaker 4: airport located not far From Old Dominion university Called South Norfolk.
Speaker 4: Airport it's no longer, there but it was right. Nearby
Speaker 4: it was where as a kid he learned to. Fly
Speaker 4: his father had been into aviation and he was able
Speaker 4: to rent airplanes there for a pretty reasonable, price and
Speaker 4: that was one of his main, hobbies was to you,
Speaker 4: know to fly on the weekends and evenings when he
Speaker 4: had a. Chance so he Took janice up in a,
Speaker 4: plane a little little two seater private, plane took her
Speaker 4: up and you, know flew her around the, area flew
Speaker 4: out over the ocean that was, nearby and you can
Speaker 4: imagine how Impressed janis. Was so that was JUST i
Speaker 4: guess one of the interesting things he did in terms
Speaker 4: of kicking off their relationship. Together before, long they were you,
Speaker 4: know they were they were having sexual relations on a regular.
Speaker 5: Basis they would, meet.
Speaker 4: They'd, occasionally you, know go out on dates, together but
Speaker 4: more often than, not it, was you, know a relationship of.
Speaker 4: Convenience they would you, know they would meet typically at her.
Speaker 4: Apartment you, know he was having sex with her on
Speaker 4: a regular. Basis AS i, said he was married with two,
Speaker 4: kids and she came to learn that his marriage, was you,
Speaker 4: know was approaching the, end and that he was at
Speaker 4: that time separated from his wife and keeping a separate
Speaker 4: residence at an, apartment which was a fact that not
Speaker 4: many people. Knew in, FACT i don't think just about
Speaker 4: anyone At Old Dominion university was aware of.
Speaker 5: That but that's the.
Speaker 4: Point of his, life That Captain bettingfield was at it
Speaker 4: at that point in.
Speaker 5: Time you write.
Speaker 3: That On september twenty, second nineteen eighty, One janis wrote
Speaker 3: a letter to a close friend of her mother Named Violet.
Speaker 3: Rose what Did janice tell this woman in that letter
Speaker 3: Regarding captain Betting.
Speaker 4: Field, well she spoke of, him you, know as more
Speaker 4: of a mentor than than a. Lover you know they
Speaker 4: had been, dating had been interested in each, other but
Speaker 4: that you know that more than, that he, was you,
Speaker 4: know just an older, man obviously twelve years older than.
Speaker 4: Her he was thirty, five she was twenty, three and
Speaker 4: that he was providing her. Advice she did mention the
Speaker 4: fact that you know that they had to keep their
Speaker 4: relationship secret because if any if anyone found.
Speaker 5: Out about, it he had a lot to. Lose.
Speaker 4: Then there are also references made in that letter and
Speaker 4: also letters she sent to her Friend, eva some other
Speaker 4: references And, dan if you, LIKE i can we can
Speaker 4: get in to that now or if you'd like to
Speaker 4: approach that a bit. Later either, ways fine with, me.
Speaker 2: Whatever you, Think, ron, okay.
Speaker 4: Great so In janice's, correspondence in these letters she sent
Speaker 4: and also these diary, entries she spoke of exercises that
Speaker 4: The Dwight bettingfield was having her due that were part of,
Speaker 4: training and she Was she was a bit vague and
Speaker 4: cryptic about, THIS i think Because Captain bettingfield had been
Speaker 4: that way with, her but as if she were she
Speaker 4: were doing a preparation or a training with him for
Speaker 4: some type of secret service within the. Military she talked
Speaker 4: about how she was going to go out on a
Speaker 4: boat with him at some point and for her not
Speaker 4: to tell anybody about. That they did and this was very.
Speaker 4: Disturbing but she. Said janie was a social. Drinker you,
Speaker 4: know she had like a lot of kids in, college you,
Speaker 4: know she consumed a fair amount of. Alcohol he had
Speaker 4: her do what he called an exercise to test her
Speaker 4: for a, mission in which she drank a large amount of,
Speaker 4: vodka vodka SHOTS i mentioned in the. BOOK i think
Speaker 4: it was as many as as fifteen shots of a
Speaker 4: vodka well as well as as well as. Pills she
Speaker 4: said that it was it was his way of, testing
Speaker 4: if you, know if she could be a part of
Speaker 4: this secret.
Speaker 5: Mission in the.
Speaker 4: Army now you AND i are talking about, this and
Speaker 4: our listeners are, listening and it sounds, like you, know
Speaker 4: how could she have been that? Gullible and you, know
Speaker 4: you certainly would think that, originally but you, know it
Speaker 4: seems by all, indications by everything That janice wrote in her,
Speaker 4: diary that he had kind of led up to this
Speaker 4: and everything that he was, doing you, know was seemed
Speaker 4: to be above, somehow it seemed to be above.
Speaker 2: Board, yes you say.
Speaker 3: That she continued to write letters to her Friend, paula
Speaker 3: and in those letters things to Be things seemed to
Speaker 3: be going well For, janie But paula thought maybe it
Speaker 3: was time for a conversation and not on the, telephone
Speaker 3: about just the what could possibly happen with romantic affairs
Speaker 3: between male officers and female personnel that they, outranked especially
Speaker 3: when things seemed to go. Sour so she was interested
Speaker 3: in speaking to her about the pitfalls because she Knew
Speaker 3: janice's sort of impulsive nature and getting swept up in.
Speaker 3: Affairs but you take us To november, thirteenth nineteen eighty,
Speaker 3: One Colonel John, lynch who headed up THE rotc program
Speaker 3: and Was Dwight bettingfield superior, officer and he got a
Speaker 3: call from someone Named Charlie, hobbs the manager of The
Speaker 3: veteran's office at the university Where janistar. Worked tell us
Speaker 3: what this conversation was about.
Speaker 4: Exactly And, Dan I'LL i wanted to get to that
Speaker 4: in just a. Second you mentioned something THAT i think
Speaker 4: was very. Important So i'm going to backtrack for just a.
Speaker 4: Minute you Mentioned janis's Friend. Paula you, know they, again
Speaker 4: they were having these, letters this correspondence and these phone
Speaker 4: calls and And paula saw the red. Flags you, know
Speaker 4: she WAS i guess WHAT i didn't, mention but they
Speaker 4: were about about three hours away in terms of driving,
Speaker 4: distance With paula being in The, WASHINGTON dc area and
Speaker 4: Then janie being down In, Norfolk. Virginia So paula badly
Speaker 4: wanted to come down to talk To janice and just
Speaker 4: find out where her head was and kind of just
Speaker 4: talk some sense into her because she, knew as you, Said,
Speaker 4: dan that this relationship it was not going to end.
Speaker 4: Well you, know in her time in the, military she'd
Speaker 4: seen affairs between officers and enlisted. People and you, know
Speaker 4: then there was also the element obviously of a, teacher
Speaker 4: a married, teacher professor and a. Student but the unfortunate
Speaker 4: thing Was paula was really really busy with law. School
Speaker 4: she was having a difficult time, there you, know was
Speaker 4: just busy and could not make time to come down
Speaker 4: To norfolk To Old menion to talk To. Janice then one,
Speaker 4: morning as you, mentioned one, Day janie's boss on, campus
Speaker 4: who was a guy Named Charlie Hobb hobbs at part
Speaker 4: time job she had on, campus he came to THE
Speaker 4: rtc office to meet With Dwight bettingfield superior who Was Corporal,
Speaker 4: lynch and, said, hey you have THIS rtc, Student Janis,
Speaker 4: starr and she is Not she hasn't shown up for
Speaker 4: work with, me has she been attending? Class So Corporal
Speaker 4: lynch brought In Dwight bettingfield and, said, Hey Captain, bettingfield
Speaker 4: have you Seen Janas starr? Lately and he, said, well
Speaker 4: let me check my great book and went and checked.
Speaker 4: It he said, no she has not been in class
Speaker 4: for now for four or five.
Speaker 5: Days so they.
Speaker 4: Were immediately, concerned you, know they knew that something was.
Speaker 4: Wrong Dwight bettingfield did mention that he had sent a
Speaker 4: student by to Check janis's apartment she lived in an
Speaker 4: off campus, apartment and That janie was not. There in short,
Speaker 4: Order janis's parents were. Called this time they were living In.
Speaker 4: Ohio they moved From miami To. Ohio of, course they
Speaker 4: were really really, worried you, know they knew it was Unlike.
Speaker 4: Janis they had not heard from her and it would
Speaker 4: be unlike her just to stop going to. Class so from,
Speaker 4: There Dwight bettingfield was actually asked to file a missing
Speaker 4: person report with The Norfolk Police. Department and that's exactly
Speaker 4: what he, did so that missing person report was. Filed by,
Speaker 4: then she'd been, missing AS i, said for several. Days
Speaker 4: as they began to ask, around you, know no one
Speaker 4: had heard hide nor hair From Janas.
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Speaker 3: Now you introduce this pivotal character in this, story and
Speaker 3: her name Is detective K Lewis schucker from The Chesapeake Police,
Speaker 3: department and she has a fascinating story being the first
Speaker 3: female patrol officer in nineteen seventy. Four but also you
Speaker 3: chronicle in this book her rise to detective status from
Speaker 3: a police dispatcher initially and just the discrimination and just
Speaker 3: a different time that this female police officer experienced in
Speaker 3: her rise in her.
Speaker 4: Career Kay Lewis, schucker as you, mentioned was the she
Speaker 4: was the detective called in to investigate the. Case she
Speaker 4: actually worked for The city Of Chesapeake Police department and
Speaker 4: it was her jurisdiction Because janie lived in an apartment
Speaker 4: that was just across the city line From. Norfolk that's
Speaker 4: a finer, point BUT i did want to mention. That
Speaker 4: so So Detective shucker was the one in charge of the.
Speaker 4: Investigation her, background as you, said you, know she started
Speaker 4: with the police department in nineteen seventy four an administrative
Speaker 4: or a clerical, role you, know just writing reports for
Speaker 4: the other, officers and quickly realized she wanted to be
Speaker 4: a police, officer so she became a dispatcher and then
Speaker 4: went to The Human resources office to ask for an
Speaker 4: application to apply to.
Speaker 5: Be a police.
Speaker 4: Officer by, then she'd worked there about two years in
Speaker 4: the admin. Role she was told by THE hr, Director i'm,
Speaker 4: sorry but we don't hire women for that, position which,
Speaker 4: is you, know kind of appalling to think of. Nowadays
Speaker 4: so she went to an attorney who assured her that you,
Speaker 4: know doue to folks Like Ruth Vader, ginsburg that they
Speaker 4: were not allowed to discriminate against her like. That so
Speaker 4: she went back and insisted they give her an. Application
Speaker 4: she filled out the application was, hired but first she
Speaker 4: had to pass the testing and the physical test to
Speaker 4: become a police, officer and they made IT i, said
Speaker 4: they being the you, know the men that were in,
Speaker 4: charge made it as challenging for her as they could
Speaker 4: in terms of the, test made her take the test
Speaker 4: on a rainy day and it was this obstacle course
Speaker 4: similar to what.
Speaker 5: You see The Navy seals.
Speaker 4: Doing in, fact The seals did train right there in
Speaker 4: that area and it was on the same course that they.
Speaker 5: Used Detective.
Speaker 4: Shucker at that point she became a patrol, officer worked
Speaker 4: in uniform for several years and was very good at.
Speaker 4: It she got great performance. Reviews and then the natural
Speaker 4: progression in her career was to become a detective and
Speaker 4: then a homicide, detective and that's the position she was
Speaker 4: in in nineteen eighty, one and she investigated missing person
Speaker 4: cases as. Well so k was brought in and as
Speaker 4: she you, know the first thing she wanted to do
Speaker 4: was to to do a victimology to learn as much
Speaker 4: as she could About. Janice you, know indications were at
Speaker 4: that time That janice had just you, know. Disappeared they
Speaker 4: weren't sure if anything the farious had happened to her.
Speaker 5: Yet but the case was very very.
Speaker 4: Close To, kay in large part because she saw a
Speaker 4: lot of herself And. Janice you know they were they
Speaker 4: had both been strong minded women who wanted to succeed
Speaker 4: and traditionally male, worlds you, Know janis and the military
Speaker 4: AND k and law. Enforcement so a big theme of the,
Speaker 4: book AND i think why why a lot of people enjoy,
Speaker 4: it especially, women is that you, know these were both
Speaker 4: women trying to make it in a man's.
Speaker 5: World and a big part.
Speaker 4: Of the story Is kay's detective shuckers challenges in the
Speaker 4: investigation and that the things that she overcame to eventually
Speaker 4: solve the.
Speaker 3: Case she gets involved and from a Detective Bill day
Speaker 3: and gets her to begin investigating this case and gets
Speaker 3: her to go over to the. Apartment what does k
Speaker 3: do once she gets data to that, Apartment.
Speaker 4: Well she's met there by a forensics, technician by a you,
Speaker 4: know A csi. Person the indications there were that that
Speaker 4: something that farius had happened To. Janice Her her purse
Speaker 4: was still, there her glasses and contact lenses were still,
Speaker 4: there most all of her clothing was still. There janie
Speaker 4: was a meticulous. Housekeeper kay had learned that about her
Speaker 4: to begin, with and most all the apartment was, very
Speaker 4: very neat and very, clean with two. Exceptions one was
Speaker 4: her bedroom which was closed and files from a desk
Speaker 4: were strewn, everywhere as if someone had been had been in,
Speaker 4: there kind of ramsacking the room and looking for something.
Speaker 4: Right and the other thing was particularly disturbing was was
Speaker 4: in the. Bathroom there was a around the. Tub it
Speaker 4: was it was bathroom was very, clean you, know well,
Speaker 4: kept but around the tub there was a ring you're
Speaker 4: about halfway up to the, top kind of a brown,
Speaker 4: ring as if you, know something had had been in that.
Speaker 4: Bathtub then there was also along with the crime scene,
Speaker 4: tech Detective shucker noticed that there was A gfci. Outlet you,
Speaker 4: know these are the outlets that will trip if any
Speaker 4: excess electricity you, know goes through. Them that one of
Speaker 4: those had been, tripped which you, know which led to
Speaker 4: speculation that maybe some type of electronic, appliance a hair
Speaker 4: dryer or something like that had been dropped into the.
Speaker 4: Bathtub as As ka worked through the, investigation so you
Speaker 4: spoke with With janis's Friend paula and learned that you, know,
Speaker 4: Yes janis did have a hair dryer and that it
Speaker 4: should have been in the bathroom and in the apartment
Speaker 4: and no matter how hard they. Searched they were not
Speaker 4: able to locate that air.
Speaker 3: Dryer they also found some Of janie's diaries in that initial,
Speaker 3: search didn't They.
Speaker 4: They sure, did, Yes and that's where that's Where kay
Speaker 4: began to understand the depth of the relationship With Captain Dwight.
Speaker 4: Bettingfield she had interviewed him, already just kind of an
Speaker 4: informational interview there on on. Campus he didn't raise any red.
Speaker 4: Flags in, fact he, was you, know seemed to be
Speaker 4: very helpful and just as concerns as everyone. Else but
Speaker 4: when she began to read the, diaries she, realized you, know,
Speaker 4: wow That janie was having an affair with.
Speaker 5: Them it was certainly a heated.
Speaker 4: Affair she went into you, know she's very descriptive and
Speaker 4: inn you know in the, BOOK i certainly you, know
Speaker 4: provided some of the excerpts from the diary terms of
Speaker 4: their their. Relationship and you, know if you're a homicide
Speaker 4: detective or you, know even someone like, us you, realize you, know,
Speaker 4: wow that's that's a motive right, there that when when
Speaker 4: someone either disappears or is, murdered you, know to place
Speaker 4: the people closest to them that you have to look
Speaker 4: at first in terms of a, suspect and the fact
Speaker 4: That Dwight bettingfield was, married you, know certainly played into.
Speaker 3: That there was some talk of With Captain. Bettingfield he
Speaker 3: suggested that they talked to a Stan. Levinson another detective
Speaker 3: tell us about this recommendation from Betting.
Speaker 4: Field, yeah it was kind of an attempt By Dwight
Speaker 4: bettingfield to do damage, control you. Know he he knew
Speaker 4: where the investigation was, heading that he was likely to
Speaker 4: become a suspect and likely to become the prime. Suspect
Speaker 4: so he had a detective friend of his there In
Speaker 4: norfolk name named Stan levinson actually get in touch With Detective,
Speaker 4: shucker and in the end he did two, things you.
Speaker 4: Know one he provided information To Detective shucker That janie
Speaker 4: was you, know he that she was, promiscuous she dated
Speaker 4: a lot of, guys and that she should be looking
Speaker 4: at some of the guys she dated and her circle
Speaker 4: of male. Friends and then the other thing he, said
Speaker 4: and this was, unsolicited he, said, YEAH i Know Dwight
Speaker 4: bettingfield and he's a he's a hell of a, guy
Speaker 4: a heck of a nice. Guy at the end of
Speaker 4: that phone Called, KATE i call her k it's a detective.
Speaker 4: Shucker but you, know she was very suspicious as, to you,
Speaker 4: know why would he say, that you, Know and then
Speaker 4: then she had a follow up conversation with him again
Speaker 4: he said the same.
Speaker 5: Thing he closed the conversation by, saying, yeah.
Speaker 4: You, KNOW i Know Dwight. Bettingfield he's the heck of a.
Speaker 4: Guy so that was another red flag. There and as
Speaker 4: it turned, Out bettingfield had asked this mutual friend Stan
Speaker 4: levinson to say good things about him To, kay as
Speaker 4: if that would, somehow you, know decrease the degree she
Speaker 4: thought of him as a.
Speaker 3: Suspect he spoke to The star Family missus And Missus
Speaker 3: starr and and her husband and and said gave them
Speaker 3: a as much information as she could without revealing anything
Speaker 3: about this her suspicions About Dwight, bettingfield but also asked
Speaker 3: the mother to stay in touch and then the next
Speaker 3: day she did in fact Call kay. Again what was
Speaker 3: this in regard to.
Speaker 4: That conversation was one That Missus Starr janis's mother was
Speaker 4: very concerned. About she'd receive a phone call from another
Speaker 4: young lady who didn't identify, herself who said that she
Speaker 4: was With janice and she was calling to say That
Speaker 4: janice was. Fine let her, Know, Hey janis is. Here
Speaker 4: she's alive and, well but she had some type of
Speaker 4: breakdown Emotionally i'm paraphrasing. Here you, know she's getting herself
Speaker 4: together and she'll be in touch with, you you know,
Speaker 4: once once she's. Better Missus starr was, suspicious you, know
Speaker 4: right away that she knew something was a little. Fishy
Speaker 4: she Called Detective shucker and told her about the. Call
Speaker 4: and you know, This Detective shucker immediately was very skeptical
Speaker 4: about it as. Well and the, well, then you, know
Speaker 4: the first real lead in the case was to find
Speaker 4: out who made that phone call and what their motivation
Speaker 4: was for making the. Call so she set the wheels in.
Speaker 4: Motion you, know, nowadays in the modern, era it's pretty
Speaker 4: easy to trace a phone call and then do it pretty.
Speaker 5: Quickly right back, then they had.
Speaker 4: To go to the telephone service In ohio Where Missus
Speaker 4: starr had received that, Call so that took a little
Speaker 4: bit of time for them to actually trace that call
Speaker 4: and find out where it came.
Speaker 3: From while they're waiting for that, Trace Paula mateo comes
Speaker 3: into This Chesapeake Police department On november sixteenth and speaks
Speaker 3: To kay and she says she's very. Concerned what information
Speaker 3: Does ky finally get From Paula mateo and it's towards this.
Speaker 4: Case, Well paula tells tells her about these exercises and
Speaker 4: in the, Letters janie had referred to them as trust
Speaker 4: exercises or training Exercisestting field that had had her do
Speaker 4: and these these were you, know some of them were life.
Speaker 4: Threatening AS i mentioned drinking the excessive amount of alcohol
Speaker 4: along with with. Pills so you, know that's a major
Speaker 4: concern For kay and certainly you, know cast Betting field
Speaker 4: in a in a terrible.
Speaker 5: Light then there was.
Speaker 4: Also dan along the, Way kay discovered the life insurance,
Speaker 4: policy you, know so that there you had. Motive you,
Speaker 4: realized you, know not only was was Betting field in
Speaker 4: an extra marital, relationship but with his life insurance, policy
Speaker 4: he had he had. Motive so when Betting field came
Speaker 4: in for more, questioning she asked him about about the
Speaker 4: life insurance and he really downplayed.
Speaker 2: It in a.
Speaker 3: Letter it's it's, incredible the message she says To. Paula
Speaker 3: if you never hear from me, again then you know
Speaker 3: you should Have dwight.
Speaker 4: Investigated you, know it was almost as If janie had
Speaker 4: had seen it, coming you, know she had she had
Speaker 4: that fear in the back of her.
Speaker 5: Mind and you're exactly.
Speaker 4: RIGHT i didn't mention that AS i was describing, It,
Speaker 4: Dan but that was when things really started to come
Speaker 4: together And, Kay Detective, shucker felt confidence she had the right.
Speaker 3: Suspect let's talk About kay discussing with detectives Like pillett
Speaker 3: And forrelli and the people that are are supposed to
Speaker 3: be involved in this investigation as. Well When kay makes
Speaker 3: her assertions and her, conclusions what do these other detectives
Speaker 3: are they, moved are they? Convinced what is their?
Speaker 4: Reaction, well it was an interesting situation because the other
Speaker 4: detectives work in the case With ka and there were
Speaker 4: there as many as three other detectives involved who were
Speaker 4: helping support her and also doing work in the. Investigation
Speaker 4: from the very, beginning they thought that That janice had
Speaker 4: just disappeared and left, town that she was the kind
Speaker 4: of person, who you, know was just a little flaky
Speaker 4: and would do. That and there were some diary entries
Speaker 4: that they were provided that they read and again these you,
Speaker 4: know These janice was very candid about her relationships in her.
Speaker 4: Writing she shared a little bit about, it and it
Speaker 4: gave them the you, know that impression that that maybe
Speaker 4: she had just just left. Town so from the beginning
Speaker 4: of the, investigation that was and we'll just refer to
Speaker 4: them as the male detectives because you, know it was
Speaker 4: sort of them against DETECTIVE. K so they they had
Speaker 4: their opinion, there, now k you, know from the beginning
Speaker 4: was convinced that That Dhite bettingfield had something to do
Speaker 4: With janis's. Disappearance so as more and more evidence content
Speaker 4: started to point in that, direction you, know with the
Speaker 4: life insurance policy and so, forth rather than changing their
Speaker 4: mind and, saying, wow, ka you were right about, this
Speaker 4: the other detectives doubled down on their on their feeling
Speaker 4: and really stuck to their. Impression now this is you,
Speaker 4: know you hear about this in police, work and it's
Speaker 4: it could have been confirmation, biased you, know they they
Speaker 4: were only looking for information that would confirm their their.
Speaker 4: Obias BUT i think more than, that you, know these
Speaker 4: these were people who were you, know they were alpha.
Speaker 4: Males they were very strong, personalities and they just didn't
Speaker 4: want to admit that they were. Wrong so so they
Speaker 4: really didn't Support kay in her. Opinion and you, know
Speaker 4: we look at this in hindsight and we're, like you,
Speaker 4: know you've got to be kidding. Me you, know anyone
Speaker 4: could have seen that what was going. On but, really
Speaker 4: in the heat of the, investigation they felt. Otherwise they
Speaker 4: felt that That, Kay Detective shucker was barking up the
Speaker 4: wrong tree in terms of looking At White bettingfield as a.
Speaker 3: Suspect let's use this as an opportunity to stop to
Speaker 3: hear these. Messages now they get an. Opportunity kay gets
Speaker 3: an opportunity to bring.
Speaker 2: Betting field in for an.
Speaker 3: Interview and just as you had just, mentioned he is
Speaker 3: charming these other, detectives asking him where they, live where they,
Speaker 3: serve and they think he's a great guy in this
Speaker 3: and doesn't and THEY i don't see at all the
Speaker 3: kinds of things That kay is seeing just by asking
Speaker 3: him questions again about something, obvious obviously, incriminating like the
Speaker 3: life insurance policies and him being a beneficiary.
Speaker 4: Exactly and you, know during that, Interview KAY i think
Speaker 4: was someone according to people that worked with her and
Speaker 4: just having gotten to know her in the course of
Speaker 4: writing this, book over about a year and a, half
Speaker 4: very empathetic in that she can really pick up on
Speaker 4: a person's on their body, language not necessarily just what they're,
Speaker 4: saying but how they're saying. It you, know nowadays there's
Speaker 4: studies that people actually do how to, tell you, know
Speaker 4: when someone's lying or when they're not, Lying BUT i
Speaker 4: think back then it was just quite frankly women's. Intuition
Speaker 4: she could tell the way That Dwight bettingfield was saying
Speaker 4: things that he was not being. Truthful for, example he
Speaker 4: would answer her question and then this was at about
Speaker 4: four different questions that he answered that she. Asked he'd
Speaker 4: answer the question and then turned to her with kind
Speaker 4: of a palms up expression and Say i'm, sorry you,
Speaker 4: know like, That and it struck her as a bit
Speaker 4: curious the first, time and then even more so the
Speaker 4: second and third, time and then the fourth time when
Speaker 4: he answered her question and gave her this palm's up
Speaker 4: gesture and Said i'm sorry at the end of the.
Speaker 4: Question at the end of his, answer she, said you, Know,
Speaker 4: dwight why are you saying you're? Sorry you, know what
Speaker 4: are you apologizing? For and he sort of gave her a.
Speaker 5: Puzzled, Look but.
Speaker 4: You, know that was just just one of the things
Speaker 4: she picked up on with, him that that wasn't quite.
Speaker 4: Right whereas the other detectives in the room observing the,
Speaker 4: interview you, know they were they were were sold that
Speaker 4: he was he was a good. Guy that he, was you,
Speaker 4: know was not a. Suspect so she knew and she
Speaker 4: had a good, IDEA i think from the, beginning and
Speaker 4: certainly after that.
Speaker 3: Interview you talk About kay wanting to get a search
Speaker 3: warrant For bettingfield's apartment and finally being able to get
Speaker 3: that despite any any backing from her own. Detectives but
Speaker 3: in that, search you talk about that there was very little,
Speaker 3: found but something very important was found in a stack
Speaker 3: of letters in that second, Search and also you talk
Speaker 3: About bettingfield being there and crowding k in the search
Speaker 3: of the, apartment and she said something to, him very
Speaker 3: very profound at the end regarding the bolt.
Speaker 4: Cutters she sure did, so, yes first, off and a
Speaker 4: lot of this was because she wasn't getting the support
Speaker 4: she needed from the department and from her superiors and
Speaker 4: her fellow. Detectives it was difficult to get a search,
Speaker 4: warrant you, know in The United. States it protects you,
Speaker 4: know certainly protects the suspects in that it's to get
Speaker 4: a search, warrant you, know you have to have probable
Speaker 4: cause that a crime had been, committed and you also
Speaker 4: have to be very specific about what you're looking. For you,
Speaker 4: know you can't just go in willy nilly looking for,
Speaker 4: anything but you've got to be be very. Specific kay
Speaker 4: had put a search warrant. Together she specified, that you,
Speaker 4: know among the things she was looking for was this
Speaker 4: this blanket That janice had that was her favorite, blanket
Speaker 4: A korean. Blanket we haven't mentioned this yet that was
Speaker 4: missing from From janis's. Apartment it was like a thick pile,
Speaker 4: blanket and that was one of the items they were looking.
Speaker 4: For so her first, attempt you, know her her supervisor told,
Speaker 4: her you, Know, kay a judge is a judge or
Speaker 4: magistrate is not going to give us the, search authorize
Speaker 4: the search with this. Warrant you, know we've got to
Speaker 4: get more. Evidence so she continued to do. That she
Speaker 4: met with really good attorney who was a former prosecutor
Speaker 4: who advised her throughout this process and we might talk
Speaker 4: about a bit, later who was a key part of the.
Speaker 5: Story his name Was John. Brown he later became a.
Speaker 4: Judge by the, way So John brown Helped janis to
Speaker 4: write the search warrant in a way that a judge
Speaker 4: would would authorize the search and sign off on the.
Speaker 4: Warrant and that's exactly what. Happened So Detective show shows
Speaker 4: up early one, morning you, know as they do when
Speaker 4: they execute warrants at his apartment with another detective and
Speaker 4: also uniformed, officers and they begin to search through his,
Speaker 4: apartment and they're also authorized to search the, curtilage which
Speaker 4: means things around the, apartment and one of those was his,
Speaker 4: car and hidden in his, car they found another insurance
Speaker 4: policy from a for another.
Speaker 5: Woman her, Name.
Speaker 4: I'm sure we'll talk about a bit later Was Deborah.
Speaker 4: Keck it turned out it was another woman who he
Speaker 4: was having to having a relationship. With but going back
Speaker 4: to what was going on in the, Apartment so As
Speaker 4: kay was going, around you, know looking for anything of evidentiary,
Speaker 4: Value Captain bettingfield was kind of crowding. Her he was following,
Speaker 4: her and you, know it was close to, her kind
Speaker 4: of in her physical, space probably in an effort to intimidate.
Speaker 4: Her then she discovered that noticed something about the back.
Speaker 4: Door he'd originally told his story that he had to
Speaker 4: have bolt cutters to cut through the chain on the
Speaker 4: back door of his, apartment and she, said you, know,
Speaker 4: right there's no chain on your back, door.
Speaker 5: You, know and alluded to him that he must have
Speaker 5: lied about.
Speaker 4: It he says to, her, right, then you, KNOW i
Speaker 4: want to get an, attorney and you know he wants
Speaker 4: to shut things down right. Away So Detective shucker takes
Speaker 4: a step closer to, him and she, Says, Okay, Dwight,
Speaker 4: yeah that's that's probably a good. Idea but when you
Speaker 4: get an, attorney don't just get any. Attorney you better
Speaker 4: get the best, attorney Because i've gotten you by the short.
Speaker 5: Hairs.
Speaker 4: Wow so that's just a great indication Of Detective shucker's
Speaker 4: personality and also her.
Speaker 3: Determination tell us how she proceeds before you talk about
Speaker 3: being contacted by A Claudia.
Speaker 5: Tongrit, well from, there you, Know kate continues her.
Speaker 4: Investigation one THING i mentioned was the chain on On
Speaker 4: bettingfield's door or lack of. One there one piece of
Speaker 4: evidence That Detective shucker turned up on. Campus she went
Speaker 4: to campus police and asked About Captain, bettingfield and they, said,
Speaker 4: yeah he was in here just you, know just last
Speaker 4: week to.
Speaker 5: Borrow a pair of bolt.
Speaker 4: Cutters so you, know light bulb goes, off and so
Speaker 4: she got the bolt cutters and there were little little
Speaker 4: fragments of metal on. It one of the things that
Speaker 4: was significant was That janis's apartment the door, chain you,
Speaker 4: know the dead bowlt door, chain not dead, bolt but
Speaker 4: just the door chain had been.
Speaker 5: Cut you.
Speaker 4: Know she surmised that the that he had borrowed those
Speaker 4: bolt cutters to cut the chain on her. Apartment the metal,
Speaker 4: fragments you, know did they certainly did match. Up, now
Speaker 4: the excuse Betting field gave forgetting the bowl cutters was
Speaker 4: that he had locked himself out of his apartment and
Speaker 4: needed to cut through a chain and during the, Search
Speaker 4: warrant k realized that that, he you, know he didn't
Speaker 4: have a chain on his. Door, now you Mentioned Claudia
Speaker 4: tongret as the investigation was going. On Claudia tongret was
Speaker 4: another Old Dominion university student who got in touch with
Speaker 4: the Detective. Shucker she lived lived in the same apartment
Speaker 4: complex that Betting field was. In, again at this, point
Speaker 4: he was estranged from his wife and was maintaining his
Speaker 4: own residence in an apartment near. Campus So Claudia tongrat
Speaker 4: Tells janis that she And bettingfield were having a, relationship
Speaker 4: they were in, love and that he was going to
Speaker 4: leave his wife and they were going to get married
Speaker 4: and spend their life. Together so this is actually a
Speaker 4: third woman who's come forward.
Speaker 5: That he was having a relationship.
Speaker 4: With So Claudia tongret was very willing to help out the,
Speaker 4: investigation you, know was ended up being.
Speaker 5: A valuable source For Detective.
Speaker 3: Shucker she asks About Captain beddingfields Whereabouts, november, second, third and,
Speaker 3: fourth and so This claudia Gives hey some pretty pertinent
Speaker 3: information regarding, that doesn't.
Speaker 6: She she, Does, yes he had he left for for
Speaker 6: a long period of time, there you, know a conspicuous
Speaker 6: absence when when he was, gone and so, yes exactly
Speaker 6: she you, know she provided evidence that that helped k
Speaker 6: move the move the case.
Speaker 3: Forward you say That kay in the conversation warned Her
Speaker 3: claudia to be careful and, then very much like what's
Speaker 3: happened so much in the, story she gets a call
Speaker 3: From claudia the next.
Speaker 2: Day she.
Speaker 4: Did by, now the the investigation was really zeroing in
Speaker 4: On Dwight. Bettingfield it was becoming clear to, him you,
Speaker 4: know how much evidence there was against.
Speaker 5: Him he was the prime.
Speaker 4: Suspect by, now he had he'd consulted with an, attorney you,
Speaker 4: know he'd retained an, attorney and he was starting to
Speaker 4: see the riding on the. Wall you, know they had
Speaker 4: a really good good he'd not you, know he had
Speaker 4: not disclosed or admitted anything but that they had a
Speaker 4: really good case against. Him so his one of his other,
Speaker 4: girlfriends This Claudia, tagret Calls DETECTIVE k and, says you, know,
Speaker 4: hey something has. Happened you, Know dwight is in a
Speaker 4: very bad state of. Mind he came to see. Me
Speaker 4: he once said he wanted to tell me. Goodbye he
Speaker 4: SAID i may never see, that he may never see her.
Speaker 4: Again and she, Said i'm really worried about. Him you,
Speaker 4: know he's he's in a bad state of. Mind i'm
Speaker 4: worried he's gonna harm. Himself So DETECTIVE k was, was you,
Speaker 4: know immediately very upset Or i'm, sorry very you, know
Speaker 4: interested in getting to the bottom of that. That you,
Speaker 4: know there was concern that he was could be a flight.
Speaker 4: Risk he could run, off but even more than that
Speaker 4: that you, know there was the possibility that he could
Speaker 4: could take his own, life and, that you, know that
Speaker 4: was their. Concerns so you, know from that point on
Speaker 4: they needed to locate. Him he had he had disappeared
Speaker 4: and they did not know his. Whereabouts that, day.
Speaker 3: He also Goes Bettingfield ghosts and sees his ex Wife,
Speaker 3: sondra and again she is alarmed at what he has
Speaker 3: to say to her as, well.
Speaker 4: That's, Right, yeah in similar conversation with, her you, know he's, apologetic,
Speaker 4: says you, know tells her that he had nothing to
Speaker 4: do with, this that he's trying to, prove you, know
Speaker 4: that he. Didn't but he also alludes to her that
Speaker 4: she may never see him again and that he just
Speaker 4: wanted to tell his strange wife.
Speaker 3: Goodbye so again with he Impressed janice with his piloting
Speaker 3: is air. Piloting so he heads to the airport again
Speaker 3: and someone there is alarmed that he might harm. Himself
Speaker 3: tell us about this conversation and what does he do
Speaker 3: at that?
Speaker 4: Airport, Yes so from there he goes to the airport
Speaker 4: In chesapeake that he flies out of that the operator
Speaker 4: of the airport can tell something's not quite right with,
Speaker 4: him but he rents an airplane and takes the airplane
Speaker 4: up from From. Chesapeake he flew to the city Of,
Speaker 4: williamsburg which is about see it's about about thirty or
Speaker 4: forty miles From. Norfolk so he flies To, williamsburg land
Speaker 4: at a private airport. There it's just a little small
Speaker 4: airstrip with a small building and an air traffic. Controller
Speaker 4: he goes, inside asks for with a briefcase and asks
Speaker 4: for some quarters to make some phone.
Speaker 5: Calls this is back in the days of.
Speaker 4: Payphones and he makes another phone call to his, Girlfriend,
Speaker 4: claudia the one who had Alerted detective k you, know
Speaker 4: similar conversation with. Her claudia hangs up with, him and
Speaker 4: Betting field is making more phone calls to.
Speaker 5: Who we're not quite.
Speaker 4: Sure claudia caused the police there In, Williamsburg James City,
Speaker 4: county and very quickly sheriff's deputy is sent to the.
Speaker 4: Airport claudia has told him that Betting field could be.
Speaker 4: Suicidal you know that here he is flying an. Airplane
Speaker 4: so the sheriff's, deputy his name Was Deputy, fox sits
Speaker 4: down with Betting field and you, know begins talking to
Speaker 4: him to assess the. Situation Betting, field in his, calm
Speaker 4: cool and collected manner man is to Convince Deputy fox
Speaker 4: that he's no harm to, himself that actually the problem Is.
Speaker 4: Claudia he says that she's you, know she's not, stable
Speaker 4: that you, know she's she was the, problem and that
Speaker 4: she's way out of line and suggesting. That he says
Speaker 4: to the, deputy, says DO i look like someone that
Speaker 4: would harm? Myself and the deputy, says, well a matter of,
Speaker 4: fact no you. Don't so he's, concerned but you, know
Speaker 4: he does not intervene in the situation because there's you,
Speaker 4: know there's no no, reason no probable cause for him
Speaker 4: to do. That so from there he, uh you, know
Speaker 4: Betting field leaves the airport And Detective fox has one
Speaker 4: more conversation with him from the you, know over the.
Speaker 5: Radio the plane wishes him well And.
Speaker 4: Dwight bettingfield, says you, know, okay And bettingfield takes off
Speaker 4: to fly back toward Towards, chesapeake where he originally came.
Speaker 3: From let's use this as an opportunity to stop to
Speaker 3: hear these. Messages so he is in assessin a. Plane
Speaker 3: there is indications that he may commit. Suicide what does
Speaker 3: he do in That assessina.
Speaker 4: Plane, well he makes the thirty mile flight back To
Speaker 4: chesspeake where he took off, from and owner of the
Speaker 4: airport sees him, circling you, know flying in a circling
Speaker 4: pattern above the. Airport and interestingly, Enough Detective, shucker who
Speaker 4: lives in a neighborhood about about a mile or two
Speaker 4: from the, airport one of her neighbors is out doing
Speaker 4: some gardening and happens to. Notice she happens to, notice,
Speaker 4: coincidentally you, know this plane repeatedly flying. Over so then
Speaker 4: after a, while after about twenty minutes of, This bettingfield
Speaker 4: is near the runway and he takes the plane up
Speaker 4: into a higher altitude and. Again the whole time there's
Speaker 4: the airport operator is watching, him as are some other
Speaker 4: people just curious what this plane is. Doing when it
Speaker 4: reaches a few thousand, feet Betting field knowses the plane
Speaker 4: directly downward and flies the airplane directly into the.
Speaker 3: Ground, now With kay's investigation still, pending still in the,
Speaker 3: air what does the national news, media what does the
Speaker 3: local media? Do how does this story bear in the media.
Speaker 4: Well as you can, imagine it was a you, know
Speaker 4: a huge, story but to kind of to recap, there
Speaker 4: so you, know police are called to the. Scene fortunately
Speaker 4: he crashed it in a, field farming, field you, know
Speaker 4: where there was no one. Around Detective shuckers actually called
Speaker 4: to the scene to identify Betting. Field you can, imagine you,
Speaker 4: know a crash like, that what kind of physical shape
Speaker 4: his remains were.
Speaker 5: In you.
Speaker 4: Know the book gets into that and Provides k's of
Speaker 4: pound account of having this really unenviable task of having
Speaker 4: to identify Betting field and, said, yes you know that
Speaker 4: it was, him so so obviously from the very, beginning you,
Speaker 4: know the speculation and then eventually the determination was, that you,
Speaker 4: know that he had committed suicide by crashing the. Plane
Speaker 4: but as you as you alluded To, dan you, know
Speaker 4: it was a it was a huge news. Story you,
Speaker 4: know it was followed by all the local, news you,
Speaker 4: know back then it was THE ap AND upi news.
Speaker 4: Wire the story got a lot of legs with him,
Speaker 4: too and was a you, know pretty sensational story that you,
Speaker 4: know the plane crash in and of. Itself but then
Speaker 4: as the, investigation uh you know was, disclosed it made
Speaker 4: it even more of a newsworthy story that got a
Speaker 4: lot of national attention back in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 3: One despite this story and and the seeming conclusion FOR,
Speaker 3: k there was something that was very very important to
Speaker 3: k and that was to Find janus's. Body the desire
Speaker 3: for her to have closure for the family and to
Speaker 3: find Jana his body wasn't shared by the other detectives after,
Speaker 3: this this.
Speaker 2: After he killed himself in This sessma, plane.
Speaker 5: It was not no and that's you, know one of the.
Speaker 5: Things it's a little bit.
Speaker 4: Puzzling but when you look at it a little, closer you,
Speaker 4: know you can can understand a bit why With bettingfield
Speaker 4: having taken his own life and you, know the writing
Speaker 4: on the wall is, that, yeah he was responsible for
Speaker 4: what happened To. Janice the only remaining question is where Is?
Speaker 4: Janice you, know it was a foregone conclusion that she was,
Speaker 4: dead but what had he done with her? Body so
Speaker 4: that Became Detective kay's, mission you. Know but now she'd
Speaker 4: established a close rapport with With janie's parents and had,
Speaker 4: actually you, know done something it was probably not advisable to,
Speaker 4: do and that she Promised janis's mother that she would
Speaker 4: Find janice. Right so you know this the crash was
Speaker 4: in Early. November so for the next month and a,
Speaker 4: Half kay spending all her spare time trying to find,
Speaker 4: out you, know what happened To janice and more specifically
Speaker 4: where her remains. Were now a lot like police departments.
Speaker 4: Today you, know the detectives in The Chesapeake Police, department you,
Speaker 4: know they were.
Speaker 5: Overwork there was a heavy case.
Speaker 4: Load kate had to also pull her weight with other,
Speaker 4: cases and you, know there was there was some some
Speaker 4: resentment by these other detectives that they've been wrong about
Speaker 4: this case and they wanted to just kind of put
Speaker 4: it on the back burner and not talk about it,
Speaker 4: anymore as well as case superiors who told her and
Speaker 4: know uncertain. Terms you, know, Look, kay your resources are
Speaker 4: best used helping us work on active.
Speaker 5: Cases you, know you.
Speaker 4: Can't spend your time looking for this girl's. Body we
Speaker 4: know she's. Dead the body will eventually show, up, right
Speaker 4: it always, Does so against their, orders she spends a
Speaker 4: lot of her spare. Time you, know there were days In,
Speaker 4: december you, know around the, holidays when she'd work a
Speaker 4: full day at, work you, know would work like a
Speaker 4: seven to five, shift and then in the evening she'd
Speaker 4: go To Oldaman university and set up shop on campus and,
Speaker 4: say you, know invite anyone who might know something to
Speaker 4: come talk with. Her so she begins to get to
Speaker 4: get leads on. Campus and then also it helps kind
Speaker 4: of paint the picture of Betting. Field you, know this
Speaker 4: whole thing was obviously a get rich quick scheme that he.
Speaker 4: Had you, know his marriage had fallen, apart, financially he
Speaker 4: was facing, ruin and you, know this was something that
Speaker 4: he cooked up as a way to you, know to
Speaker 4: make a great deal of, money over three hundred thousand
Speaker 4: dollars off his life. Insurance it just so, happened you
Speaker 4: know that that day in Early, september That janice had
Speaker 4: come into his office in a really vulnerable. State and you,
Speaker 4: know with him as a as a, sociopath you, know
Speaker 4: she was unfortunately the. Victim but, yeah going back to
Speaker 4: what's happening by, now In december of nineteen eighty, One
Speaker 4: kay is spending all of her spare time trying to
Speaker 4: Find janis and she's just you, know just consumed with this,
Speaker 4: case with Finding.
Speaker 3: Janice now a character comes, on assuming Character Petra, Tongret claudia's.
Speaker 3: Sister in the relationship That claudia had With, bettingfield he
Speaker 3: also took a shine to her sister and one day
Speaker 3: went for a.
Speaker 5: Drive he sure, did.
Speaker 4: Yes so As kay is detective case continuing to look for,
Speaker 4: Leeds Claudia, tongret how do young younger, sister you, know
Speaker 4: kind of her kid's sister?
Speaker 5: There her name Was Petra, Tongret.
Speaker 4: And she, says you, know, HEY i just thought of
Speaker 4: something that it, might you, know might.
Speaker 5: Help out your.
Speaker 4: Investigation she, says shortly After janie, Disappeared Captain bettingfield asked
Speaker 4: me to go on a drive with. Them and she
Speaker 4: described this. Drive she said she drove or he drove
Speaker 4: his car.
Speaker 5: And she was.
Speaker 4: Riding he drove way out about an hour west Of
Speaker 4: norfolk into a rural, area through city Of suffolk and
Speaker 4: then Into Southampton, county and he was driving it was
Speaker 4: as if he was looking for, something but he didn't
Speaker 4: know what he was looking. For he asked her to
Speaker 4: turn off the. Road they, drove driven a rural area
Speaker 4: on this abandoned farm, property turned around and the whole
Speaker 4: time he asked her to take notes, on you, know
Speaker 4: on where he was driving and when they got, there
Speaker 4: he made a comment, like you, know, yeah this is
Speaker 4: a good to. Himself he, said, yeah this is a good.
Speaker 4: Place this will, do and then you, know Brought Patriot
Speaker 4: tonggrit back to. Campus she hadn't thought much of it
Speaker 4: because he said that he was going to he was
Speaker 4: looking for a spot to take The army cadets. Camping that,
Speaker 4: was you, know was what he was. Doing so she
Speaker 4: didn't think anything of. It but then when she thought
Speaker 4: of it in the context, of you, know a possible
Speaker 4: clandestine grave For, janie she, thought you, know, wow maybe
Speaker 4: that's what he was. Doing so she tells this To DETECTIVE,
Speaker 4: k and right Away DETECTIVE k knows, that you, know
Speaker 4: that she was onto. Something so she forms a theory
Speaker 4: that he had had buried her somewhere on this farm.
Speaker 4: Property he'd gone back, there and that that was what
Speaker 4: he had done with her.
Speaker 2: Remains, so, okay gather's some.
Speaker 3: Volunteers she goes and looks at the property, herself and
Speaker 3: in THIS i guess profound, moment she sees something a
Speaker 3: depression in the soil around this, place doesn't She.
Speaker 4: She, did, Indeed, Yeah so by then it Was january
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty. Two you, know it was a good two
Speaker 4: months After janis's disappearance and one of the colder days
Speaker 4: of the year In. Virginia temperature was in the single,
Speaker 4: digits which is very cold for.
Speaker 3: Us.
Speaker 5: Here she goes out.
Speaker 4: On A sunday. Drive she had not she had not
Speaker 4: been given permission from her superiors to work outside her,
Speaker 4: jurisdiction so you, know she'd not been able to look
Speaker 4: so on her own, time in her own, car she
Speaker 4: drives out actually with her. Daughter the guys have just
Speaker 4: you know under the just going on A sunday. Drive
Speaker 4: she goes out and first she went with With Petra
Speaker 4: tongrit to you, know follow her directions on and she'd
Speaker 4: remembered the drive That dwight had took her. On so
Speaker 4: Then kay goes back there on A sunday with her
Speaker 4: daughter to get out and look. Around and gets out
Speaker 4: of the. Car you, know AS i, said it's, cold
Speaker 4: the wind is, howling and she's walking around this this
Speaker 4: old farm property way out in the middle of. Nowhere
Speaker 4: there's you, know a falling down house, nearby and she's
Speaker 4: walking through the. Field she sees a Classic clendestine grave
Speaker 4: is how she describes.
Speaker 5: It it's you, know.
Speaker 4: It's sunken because the soil has compacted about six feet
Speaker 4: by three, feet and you, know looked looked certainly like
Speaker 4: it was A clendestine. Grave she couldn't believe what she was,
Speaker 4: seeing in, fact so much she said she thought she was.
Speaker 4: Hallucinating so just to be, sure she drove down the
Speaker 4: road and brought another old farmer there to look at,
Speaker 4: it and she said to, him she, said you, know
Speaker 4: tell me what that looks like to, you and he, says,
Speaker 4: ma'am that sure looks like a grave to. Me so
Speaker 4: she knew she had she had found. It so from
Speaker 4: there she goes back to the department and manages the
Speaker 4: forensics technician that she'd worked with, before actually two of,
Speaker 4: Them Terry riggs Now, burns and then another auxiliary officer
Speaker 4: and then another officer came out with, her and together
Speaker 4: they all began to excavate the grave and went about
Speaker 4: it as similar, to you, know to what you do
Speaker 4: with a with an archaeological. Dig they had to be
Speaker 4: very careful as they you, know they dug it and
Speaker 4: worked all night doing, it and finally they Located Janis star's.
Speaker 4: Remains sure, enough she was. Walked she was wrapped in
Speaker 4: Her Korean army. Blanket so from there her body was was.
Speaker 4: Uh they contacted a local funeral home who provided transportation
Speaker 4: to take the body to the to the Medical examiner's
Speaker 4: office In, Norfolk.
Speaker 3: Virginia during the, autopsy you write that it was evidence
Speaker 3: of strangul in that the hyoid bone was.
Speaker 2: Broken it was.
Speaker 4: Yes and the medical examiner some states they call him.
Speaker 4: Coroners here In virginia they call him medical. Examiners he
Speaker 4: was very well. Known he was Doctor Feruke. Presswala he
Speaker 4: was originally From, Bombay, india and it was just just
Speaker 4: a legend as a medical examiner for many many years In.
Speaker 4: Virginia he you, know, again she'd she'd been there for
Speaker 4: about two. Months there was a great deal of, decomposition
Speaker 4: and he ruled that she had died from homicidal, violence
Speaker 4: most likely, strangulation because that that hyoid bone in the
Speaker 4: throat was. Broken, now What detective k theorized was that
Speaker 4: that night In janie's, Apartment Dwight bettingfield had been there with.
Speaker 4: Her janice went went to take a, bath which she you,
Speaker 4: know she often, did and he had thrown her hair
Speaker 4: dryer in the tub to electrocute.
Speaker 5: Her and, however.
Speaker 4: Instead electric electrocuting, her it cut the power to that,
Speaker 4: circuit which is what A gfci outlet, does so it
Speaker 4: cut you, know she was not, electrocuted but immediately she
Speaker 4: knew you, know holy, cow he's trying to kill. Me
Speaker 4: so from, there you, know she probably got out of the. Bathtub,
Speaker 4: again this was the theory of the. Crime you, know
Speaker 4: they got in a physical. Altercation she was she was
Speaker 4: an athletic, woman was well, trained and you know it
Speaker 4: was probably quite a. Struggle but at that point he
Speaker 4: probably strangled her and then her probably put her body
Speaker 4: back in the tub and left it there for a few.
Speaker 4: Days there were accounts from some of the neighbors that
Speaker 4: there was a very bad smell coming from the.
Speaker 5: Apartment you.
Speaker 4: Know there was also the evidence several days later that
Speaker 4: the ring around the, tub you, know that that's that
Speaker 4: was from her being in the tub and her her
Speaker 4: bodily fluids in that. Process so that was kind of
Speaker 4: the final. Theory of, course With bettingfield being, dead you,
Speaker 4: know there there was was no further recourse with, him
Speaker 4: but that was what Detective shucker theorized.
Speaker 3: Happened you take us to the, funeral and again closure
Speaker 3: is a overused, expression but again she wanted closure for the,
Speaker 3: family and the body represented that and they had a.
Speaker 3: Funeral and in, closing you said that just for all
Speaker 3: the work That kay had put into this and and
Speaker 3: her career as, well is that A Lieutenant fiann had
Speaker 3: said That kay was the best detective he had ever.
Speaker 4: Known exactly that that was really a redeeming moment For
Speaker 4: kay because you know all the challenges she had with
Speaker 4: her superiors and with the. Department you, know she was
Speaker 4: was it was just an uphill battle for her throughout the.
Speaker 4: Investigation then it was several years, later actually after she had,
Speaker 4: retired she was attending a funeral for another, officer and
Speaker 4: former chief pulled her aside and, said you, Know, Kay i'm,
Speaker 4: retired you know as, well AND i do consulting now
Speaker 4: and Whenever i'm doing a training session for, DETECTIVES i
Speaker 4: always tell them your. Story and then he, Said, kay
Speaker 4: you were the best DETECTIVE i ever. Saw so that
Speaker 4: was her moment of, triumph you, know once this investigation was.
Speaker 3: Over, yes and you write that she was now eighty
Speaker 3: years old and she was good enough to speak to,
Speaker 3: you and lots of the correspondence comprises this.
Speaker 5: Book it sure.
Speaker 4: Did, yeah over the course of about a year and a,
Speaker 4: Half ca AND i and her husband have all gotten
Speaker 4: to know each other pretty, well and my wife as.
Speaker 5: Well you, know we've done things.
Speaker 4: Socially and, Yeah kay AND i spent a lot of.
Speaker 4: Time she provided me the case file to write the.
Speaker 4: Book you, know there were crime scene photos and so,
Speaker 4: forth and also put me in touch with the forensic
Speaker 4: technicians who worked on the case and the Attorney John
Speaker 4: brown THAT i mentioned who later became a, judge and
Speaker 4: in order to write the.
Speaker 5: Book so she was very helpful for.
Speaker 4: That we had had hours of interviews AND i was
Speaker 4: amazed how something that, happened you know now it's forty
Speaker 4: three years, ago just how.
Speaker 5: Vivid her memories were of.
Speaker 4: That and Then kay is Also i'm on a book
Speaker 4: tour to promote the, book and she's also coming to
Speaker 4: as many of the events as she. Can AND i
Speaker 4: give a, typically you, know when we give a, Presentation
Speaker 4: i'll do a slide show and Then kay will do
Speaker 4: a question and answer.
Speaker 5: Session so it's been really really.
Speaker 4: INTERESTING a lot of folks that have read the book
Speaker 4: have got a chance to Meet kay or they Meet
Speaker 4: kay before they read the. Book so it's it's been
Speaker 4: really nice of her to come out and promote the
Speaker 4: book with, me and it was, also you, Know i'm
Speaker 4: grateful THAT i was able to tell the story of
Speaker 4: really what was the watershed case that she worked in her.
Speaker 3: Career, absolutely her story is an incredible story and it
Speaker 3: contained in this incredible story that Is in The. WIND
Speaker 3: i want to thank you so much for coming on
Speaker 3: and talking About in The, wind the disappearance Of Jena
Speaker 3: starr for people that might want to take a closer,
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Speaker 3: do any social?
Speaker 5: Media, Absolutely, Dan i'm on.
Speaker 4: Personally i'm on On, Facebook, instagram and x formerly known As.
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Speaker 3: Me thank you so, Much Ron Peterson. Junior in The
Speaker 3: wind The disappearance Of Jana, starr thank you so much
Speaker 3: for this, interview and you have a great evening and.
Speaker 5: Goodnight, well thank, You, DAN i appreciate.
Speaker 2: It thank, you good. Night