WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.120 --> 00:00:05.080 Welcome to Reader Syndicate three point zero, the next evolution 2 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:09.119 of look into counterculture that is Canad. My name is Matthew, 3 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:11.839 owner of Riot Seeds, and this started as a one 4 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:15.359 man mission for strain history and breeding science. Over time 5 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:18.239 it's evolved into something bigger, better, and more of a 6 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:20.760 team effort. We will be joined by members of the 7 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:24.079 can Illuminati and other friends throughout the seasons hear their 8 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:27.839 takes on grow techniques, breeding science, string history, and more. 9 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:31.199 Our mission is to combat the narrative that corporate cannabis 10 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:34.399 and seed posters are obfuscating for their own financial benefit. 11 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:41.799 Welcome to the underground. We are the syndicate. Welcome to 12 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:44.920 Breeders Syndicate. I'm Matt here with my co host on 13 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:48.880 thousand and Fold and our constant stay guest, mister farmer 14 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:50.679 fucking Dan. Now you can see his face to wait, 15 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:51.640 I'm not supposed to custody. 16 00:00:51.840 --> 00:01:04.719 Hold on, hold onconds all. 17 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:05.079 Right, Welcome the readers send to get I'm Matthew here 18 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:07.760 with my co host Thousandfold and our friend Farmer Dan, 19 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:10.760 who's been a mainstay on the show. Welcome my friends. 20 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:17.359 Today we're going to be talking kind of revisiting our cookies, 21 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:22.359 breeding with cookies and in the dead ends of cookies 22 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:24.959 and whether it is a breeding dead end or not. 23 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:28.400 I decided, and actually we kind of as a group 24 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:31.799 decided to revisit this a little bit. I was rewatching 25 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:34.159 the episode that we did, and I think it was 26 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:38.519 super informative at the beginning, but there's a few narratives 27 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:42.239 that got spun in it that just don't ring true. 28 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:46.359 And I tried to kind of put that, put that 29 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:48.439 out there during the episode while we were recording it, 30 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:50.359 but it doesn't seem like it was heard very well. 31 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:54.439 And now, like I'm seeing stuff pop up on social 32 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:58.319 media that XYZ is responsible for cookies and this and that, 33 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:02.920 and it's just not true. And of all things that 34 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:07.159 we want to do with this show is combat misinformation. 35 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:12.400 Like first and foremost, it's not good. It's the opposite 36 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:14.840 of our mission to make it about an ego thing 37 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:17.199 like I'm responsible for this, this and this and no 38 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:19.560 one else, you know, like all that is the opposite 39 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:21.199 of what we want to do. And it is our 40 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:24.759 biggest episode, and it was a hard decision, but we're 41 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:27.039 going to go ahead and redo it, reshoot it, and 42 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:28.879 try to keep it as accurate as we can for 43 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:31.280 the time being, and again, if things change, we'll do 44 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:34.000 another one. You know, as much as all of us 45 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:35.599 are kind of sick of talking about cookies and all 46 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:39.120 its derivatives, it's a necessary thing and it just seems 47 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:41.360 like people only heard the last I don't know a 48 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:45.400 few minutes of the episode. So with that thousand, you 49 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:47.159 want to kick it off and tell them where we're 50 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:47.560 taking it. 51 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:53.400 Yeah, So I think where we start is looking at 52 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:56.599 the major components, at least that we are aware of 53 00:02:56.599 --> 00:03:01.039 of cookies. So I think out of of F one Derb, 54 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:05.000 cherry Pie, GDP, Purple Erkle, and og kush Man, we 55 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:06.759 start with the F one dirb. What do you think that? 56 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.919 Okay, so the F one derb is a very unique plant. 57 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:13.960 It was not passed around a lot. There's a lot 58 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:21.599 of debate, be it from Tenny Flowers of Powers. He 59 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:24.240 says that he's never passed the cut, but we know, 60 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:27.599 like he doesn't really like he has other people make 61 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:29.719 seeds for them, so of course he has to pass 62 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:33.759 the cut. But you know, there's a guy named Cookie 63 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:35.680 Monster who kept the F one derb for a long time, 64 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:37.680 and he was responsible for the F one Derb account 65 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:40.479 on Instagram, and that's the exact cut that we have 66 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:45.319 in the circle. Yeah, it's it's a unique cut. It 67 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:47.599 obviously has a lot of the structure that you see 68 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:52.280 in Cookies, the really unique structure, the bubbly bracts, very 69 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:56.680 very specifically, the knobby look that Cookies has comes from 70 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:59.960 a lot of the F one dirb stuff. It's it's 71 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:03.560 debatable on whether it's an S one or not. Again, 72 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:05.560 it's one of those things where we just won't know. 73 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:09.840 There is another cut called we call the Durban Bay 74 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:14.080 or the Bay Durban that CSI got from Green Dragon, 75 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:18.480 I think five six years ago. And he was grown 76 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:20.519 up side by side because we've been doing our F 77 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:24.160 one derb projects together, and he was grown up side 78 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:26.279 by side and thought somebody screwed up the cut because 79 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:29.600 in vegs they were so identical that he was sure 80 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.279 someone screwed up, like one of his workers screwed up 81 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:34.399 the cut. So he was all pissed off. And then 82 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:38.959 they start flowering and they're almost identical looking, except one 83 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:42.600 is green and one is a deep black purple. There's 84 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:46.199 differences in the turp profiles, but we'll see over time, 85 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:49.560 like how you know, acclimatizing and being in the same 86 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:51.839 room over time, being fed the same stuff over time. 87 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:55.560 We'll see how much those turp profiles like either get 88 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:58.279 you know, similar, or if they break for their apart 89 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:00.720 or they stay where they're at. As of right now, 90 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:03.160 it seems like one one is a descendant of the other, 91 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:05.199 one is a sister of the other, bag seat of 92 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:08.439 the other, hybrid of the other. We just don't know. 93 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:13.560 It's a really really unique cut. And as much as 94 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:17.480 I've always taken what Cookie fam says with a grain 95 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.959 of salt because none of our braiders, barely any of 96 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:25.680 our growers, it does seem to hold true that F 97 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:29.360 one Derb is a major component of forum cookies proper 98 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:33.839 and probably thin mint as well. So yeah, I don't know, Dan, 99 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:35.519 what do you if you have any takes on F 100 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:36.319 one Derb at all. 101 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:40.199 I've never even had a chance to see it. I've 102 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:43.160 never come across the clone. I've got more thoughts on 103 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:43.839 the next few. 104 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.199 Okay, so one the other thing I'll add is, this 105 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:49.079 is one of the main reasons I'm really doing the 106 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:51.680 show too, is that, you know, there were some rumors 107 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:56.240 going around that the anus cut or you know, you 108 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:57.879 can call what you want. I call it the anus 109 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:03.959 is the mother or is F one derb? Yeah, there's 110 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:06.759 no relation. When that claim was made, the person who 111 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:09.639 made that claim had never smoked, grown seen F one Derb, 112 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:15.480 So it was kind of a bold claim. But going 113 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:17.680 off what me and cs I've seen, there's no way. 114 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:22.360 It's just not It's just not there. It does. Anus 115 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:27.439 does look like a Mendo Purpse type. Whether F one 116 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:30.399 Derb is a Mendo Purpse type or not. Unknown, it's 117 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:33.079 it's very different looking than F one Derb, I'm sorry, 118 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:36.800 than Mendo Purpse. Yeah, I'm gonna leave it there. Uh, 119 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:39.879 that's that's one of them. I can't believe how fast 120 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:43.240 that spread. And when I'm a part of something that's misinformation, 121 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:44.000 I gotta cut it. 122 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:47.040 Yeah. With that one, I don't feel like it was 123 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:50.399 ever like explicitly said too, because I kind of filled 124 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.560 that gap in myself as well and thought that for 125 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:56.160 a few months there where I was just like, oh, 126 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:58.639 I don't think he wants to say it out of 127 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:02.439 like humility or something, but like I completely fell into 128 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:03.120 that trap too. 129 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.160 Yeah, And and in fairness, like I got to watch 130 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:09.439 from behind the scenes how that narrative, that narrative started evolving, 131 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:13.879 and it started with like, hey, I think someone else saying, hey, 132 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.920 I think this the mental purposes in cookies, and then 133 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.519 it just kind of slowly evolved into connecting this dot 134 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:22.120 and string and dot string. 135 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:24.920 Yeah, but without actually any additional data points. 136 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:27.560 Yeah, zero data points. No more grows, no more flowers, 137 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:31.560 no more nothing else. That annis cuts not around to 138 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:34.360 be even compared now, Like there's a whole lot of 139 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:38.639 stuff that was missing from that. Yeah, that data point. 140 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:42.079 So I'd rather stick to what we know and what 141 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:44.920 we've seen and what we've experienced. And I've actually grown 142 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:47.600 f one Derb sourced it very early on, used it, 143 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:50.040 bred with it, ran the plants from it. The progeny 144 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:57.240 chased it back down via Frostboss and Stony rest in peace. Yeah, 145 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:00.720 I mean it takes. It takes growing stuff, smoking it, 146 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:05.600 learning about it, their progeny. There's supposed progeny to really 147 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:08.240 try to make educated conclusions on stuff like that. Just 148 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:12.160 saying it and isn't enough. And That's probably where I'll 149 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:14.680 leave the F one Dirk conversation after Now, I did. 150 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:16.199 Want to ask you one more thing, Matt, which is 151 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.639 what was your anecdotal experience with it? Like I'm not 152 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:23.519 asking you to obviously make any claims, but maybe like 153 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:25.439 you know, what are your speculations on it based on 154 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:28.000 what you saw of its traits or you know, anything 155 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:29.079 interesting that you noticed. 156 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:33.559 So when I grew it, it was very like, let's 157 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:37.000 work for it. Like it had a champagne rolow type smell. 158 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:41.120 There's some pissiness, but I never caught the gingerbread end 159 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:42.759 of it, and I think there is some sort of 160 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:46.799 gingerbread end to it that other people smell. It's very 161 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:49.480 herm prone. That's that's like the first thing you notice 162 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:54.320 when running it very herm prone. It's looser than it 163 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:57.639 looks like visually you look at it, you might think 164 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:02.919 it's more dense like cookies. Not at all. Is it 165 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.120 a Durban poison is probably one of the questions I 166 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:07.200 get the most. I would say, there's no way in 167 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:10.759 hell it's a pure Durbin poison. It's got a lot 168 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:13.600 of Afghani type traits to it, which Durbin poison is 169 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:17.240 a well, there's a lot of different things called durban poison. 170 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:20.120 It's an area in Africa. There's a lot of things 171 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:23.919 that come out of that area. Traditionally, there's the Dutch 172 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:27.399 Passion Durban poison that most people think of. There's the 173 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:31.399 Norcl Durbon poison, which is ultrapinaling. I believe it was 174 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:36.360 the mel Frank Durban poison cut that was all and loose, 175 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:44.879 you know, like aniseid. So this isn't necessarily that. With 176 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:47.320 Kenny Powers, he said a few times a few different things. 177 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.120 He said that F one derb is the derb cross 178 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:53.440 to F one, and what is an F one? He said, 179 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:55.440 it's like a formula in race car, and that's why 180 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:58.840 we called it that, And then he also later said 181 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:05.240 it is durban cross to durban crosses something cross to 182 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:09.000 purple pain, which was like a purple from the Bay area, 183 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:12.759 which is probably like an arkle GDP, but hard to say, 184 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:15.200 hard to say, don't see a lot of arkle in it. 185 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:19.080 So yeah, that's that's probably the most I could say 186 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:21.399 about the traits other than what we talked about later 187 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:23.399 on in its relation to other things. 188 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:27.200 Yeah, super interesting, and obviously people now starting to go 189 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:30.240 out some of those crosses, so we might might learn 190 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:33.559 more of the time. Okay, so we can move on 191 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:36.720 to cherry Pie you want to kick it off, Dan. 192 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:42.519 Yeah, I started seeing it in like twenty fourteen, fifteen, 193 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:46.679 I think the clone was at HPRC and Arcada, and 194 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:48.799 so that's where I picked it up at least, and 195 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:51.320 I grew it a little bit. I kind of wasn't 196 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:53.919 a good grower yet, and so I got like little 197 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:57.679 popcorn buds of just like rock hard. It was like 198 00:10:57.799 --> 00:10:59.919 green with marbling like stripes of. 199 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:07.639 How hard and how hard was it? Rock hard? Sorry? 200 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:11.159 And it was really nice, man. I remember that a 201 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:14.039 pound of it was like the size of a football. Yeah, 202 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:16.360 it was the smallest pound I think I've still seen 203 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.720 the date, and so it was really killer. I enjoyed it. 204 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.360 The smoke was kind of meh, Like it was tasty 205 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:26.879 but didn't get you that high compared to like the 206 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:30.399 diesel headband og that kind of everyone crapped out at 207 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:33.840 that time. It was just another one like that people 208 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:36.759 kept a few plants of and like their outdoor patch, 209 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:40.360 just as like variety, but like it wasn't like a 210 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:42.759 bulk produced plant that I I don't think I've seen 211 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:44.200 anyone ever bulk produce it. 212 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:49.120 Yeah, So my first experience with the cherry pie was 213 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:52.240 on icy man lump status had just gotten hold of 214 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:54.759 the cut and was growing that and some of the 215 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:57.600 other cookie fam cuts. And I remember looking at the 216 00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:00.720 cherry pie on there and just thinking this is so gorgeous, 217 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.159 and it was the forum was all. He was also 218 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:05.480 growing the forum publicly on there and it was very 219 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:09.480 unique looking. But cherry pie really really like is it cherry? 220 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:11.919 Is it like a cherry pie? Like that? All was 221 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:14.679 very intriguing and looking at it, it was just it 222 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:17.279 looked like more of what I wanted to grow versus 223 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:20.000 the forum. And I remember reaching out to him. Weren't 224 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.000 friends yet, and I reached out to him and I 225 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:23.759 was like, hey, dude, what do you want for that? Like, 226 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:26.440 what do you want to trade for that cut? And 227 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:29.000 we ended up doing some sort of exchange. Might he 228 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:31.559 given him right un or something like that, like my 229 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:36.159 mom cut of that And a mutual friend of ours 230 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:40.480 who I'll shout out, Gail from PNC ape radical dude. 231 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:42.799 I mean back in the day in San Diego he 232 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:46.759 ran a place called People's Nursery Care PNC and he 233 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:49.240 had some of the most legit He's where I saw 234 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:55.000 strawberry cream originally from that clowne. The soul Assassin number 235 00:12:55.200 --> 00:13:01.559 three and one source from him, la afy just all 236 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:03.879 kinds of stuff, dude, Like he was so responsible for 237 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.120 so much ending up in my hands. So shout out 238 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:10.080 to Gail. Gail's legit and like there were so few 239 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:11.679 clones that I ever gotten. I was like, I don't 240 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:13.679 know about that one from him. He was so much 241 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:17.480 before his time, doing great provenance of research, serious about it, 242 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:20.600 and he had a good business down there, really good business. 243 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:23.320 And he's still up and running somewhere. I think, I 244 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:25.360 don't know what he's necessarily doing now, but he's still 245 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:27.519 out there kicking it. And he came and brought down 246 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:30.080 Cherry Pie along with some other stuff, and it was 247 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:34.039 about twenty eleven, and my first time running it. The 248 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:36.679 first thing I noticed was, oh my god, this is gassy. 249 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:39.039 Like there's a lot of gas to cherry Pie. Not 250 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.320 just the sweet end, but there's a gassy end that 251 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.720 you could pull out of. It reminded me a lot 252 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:46.120 of like an og gassy type when you pull gasy 253 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:51.559 og out. What else was there? Beautiful purple colors that 254 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:56.440 you can pull out of it? Structures, Si very, I'll 255 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:59.080 bring this up right now. There's a structure so reminiscent 256 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:01.200 of the F one d that it's almost hard to 257 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:06.879 ignore that they're absolutely related. I would venture to guess 258 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:10.879 purple GDP type uh with the F one derb makes 259 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:15.559 sense to me, But there is some kind of gassy 260 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:18.759 O G cush to it. And there's some speculation, like 261 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:21.200 with me on on F one derb maybe having O 262 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:24.639 G cross to it at some point or inside of it. 263 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:28.039 But yeah, that's I think that's most of the cherry 264 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:30.720 Pie tail. Unless you guys get any questions or to add. 265 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:33.919 Yeah, anything else you want to add then, or any 266 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:34.360 other question. 267 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:37.960 Just to remember, it had like little like triangle buds. Yeah, 268 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.879 you know, like it was all popcorn. It was very 269 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:43.080 similar to Forum in that regard, where it was like 270 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:47.200 all small buds that were like very very dense, and. 271 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:49.120 You could tell they like looking at them even as 272 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:51.519 clones when they were growing that they were probably directly 273 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:53.720 related in some way as well, the Forum and the 274 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:54.480 Cherry Pie. 275 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:58.200 I also vaguely remember it growing pretty slow and shitty. 276 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:01.039 I don't know if grown slow and sheet at the 277 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:02.600 time because it was so young at that time it 278 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:03.360 hadn't been pasted. 279 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:06.320 Yeah, I'm not I'm not sure. I can't remember really, 280 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:10.120 but like when I think about it, I vaguely remember 281 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:14.320 it's like kind of a shorter, slow growing plant, which 282 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:17.360 would kind of lend itself to something like an ercle 283 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:18.039 or a GDP. 284 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.519 Oh let me add in intersex. Oh yeah, big time, 285 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:27.000 big time. And if it is related to the f WINDRB, 286 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:30.759 then that's probably why that trait seems to be pretty 287 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:35.080 heavy and cookies and cherry pie and a lot of stuff. 288 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:38.919 So yeah, for sure, I kind of want to foreshadow 289 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:41.240 at this point that we're probably not going to get 290 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.960 around to constructing any kind of timeline, and that this 291 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:46.679 is kind of a that these genetics are like a 292 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:56.120 crazy circle dono, you know inbread nested ring of whatever, cannabis, 293 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:01.200 human centipede vibe. Yeah, but yeah, we can move on 294 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:02.480 to GDP. 295 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:06.919 Oh GDP. So there's this is another one that has 296 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:08.440 I don't even know if I want to go in 297 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:12.159 the history of GDP so much as kind of reference it. 298 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:15.240 I know CSI is like his opinion on GDP has 299 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:17.519 changed a lot. On what is GDP, what is arkle 300 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:19.799 which I don't even know if he's brought up publicly, 301 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:22.720 but it's it's it's interesting, real interesting. And I'll leave 302 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:25.840 that to him maybe when he owes us an episode. 303 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:28.320 And I reminded him just this weekend, you owe us 304 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:30.519 an episode, buddy, and he. 305 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:33.559 Apparently cush of the giants and the Little hill I'm 306 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:35.159 both going to try and ed some pressure as well. 307 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:38.360 I don't know if it will help or not, but. 308 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:44.200 He knows, he knows what's up GDP. So there is 309 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:49.000 a wonderful video with Ken Stez talking about the history 310 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:51.279 of GDP, and I remember a long time ago on 311 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:54.200 the forums, I transcribed it so people could actually read 312 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:58.480 what mumble Mouth was saying, and essentially he said that 313 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:04.200 he was given the clone by Native American Shamans in 314 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:08.359 front of some headlights at a ceremony of sorts, and 315 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:11.119 because he was such a cool white man, they decided 316 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:14.799 to gift him this magical clone that was not only skunk, 317 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:19.160 but like from Vietnam and all this other stuff, and 318 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:23.559 it was the most purple weed he'd ever seen. Yeah, 319 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:25.440 I mean, GDP reminds me a lot of an Erkle 320 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:28.759 type and they seem to be directly related in some way. 321 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:31.839 I don't know if one came before the other. Back 322 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:36.000 in the day, almost everything was called GDP, whether it 323 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:38.519 was erkele, whether it was grape bape, whether all those 324 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:41.680 names were so interchangeable it became really hard to tie 325 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.119 down to a specific clone. There was the Ken's GDP 326 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:49.039 referring to canestes that was super purple, and then he 327 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:51.200 made a seed line that he called Grandaddy purple, which 328 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:54.759 really screwed everything up, and all of a sudden, everybody 329 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:57.720 had the real GDP Ken's GDP because he put out 330 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:03.559 the seed line of fen seeds. As far as relation is, 331 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:06.880 I don't see much difference between it and arkle and 332 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:10.920 how it breeds. To really say again, which came first, 333 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:12.880 the chicken or the egg, But they're both so heavily 334 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:17.920 involved in thin mint in forum in my opinion that 335 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:21.880 they could be synonymous and used interchangeably in that way. 336 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:28.000 Grapey purple, slow growing, super afghanic outdoors. They have more 337 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:30.279 narrow leaves than they would broad leave, so some people 338 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.960 would confuse it for a sativa outdoors, but I mean 339 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:39.720 a short squat, short internode spacing. Yeah, super grapy, But 340 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:44.480 in veg both the GDP and RKLE are some of 341 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:48.799 the absolute skunkiest cuts. You can have. When you take 342 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:51.039 cuts of those things, it fills up a room and 343 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:54.920 smells like just straight skunk spray. But when flowering about 344 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:59.680 week six, they go from that skunky smell to sweet grape, 345 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:03.119 and it's a big change up. But yeah, that's what 346 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:05.400 I got. I don't know if you have much experience. 347 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:08.240 With it, Dan, No, So I've never actually held like 348 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:12.680 a verified cut of any of the real purples. They 349 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:14.839 were a little bit before my time. Like I remember 350 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:17.559 buying bags of stuff called GDP and there's really good 351 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:21.240 purple weed in it, you know. But one thing that 352 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:26.079 I've always thought was interesting was I saw this peer 353 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:28.519 reviewed paper that where they had collected a bunch of 354 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:32.440 clones out of American grows and you know, done the 355 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:36.799 gene correlations and made a phylogenetic tree, and all of 356 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:40.319 the purples were clustered together. Yeah, and then all of 357 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:43.240 them were also very much more basal. So like you 358 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:46.279 have the tree going off of like all the modern cuts, 359 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:49.680 and you see like OGE and you see C. Ninety 360 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:52.559 nine and all the shit just on this main branch, 361 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:56.599 and then out of nowhere from way more basal, the 362 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:59.160 purple shoot up to the top and to me, that 363 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:02.039 kind of lends its to the stories. There's a few 364 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:05.279 stories that we've heard on the show of people being 365 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:09.319 given seeds from the seventies. Yeah, And I've heard a 366 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:11.720 few of those stories myself outside the show as well, 367 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:14.039 And I think that's kind of where most of them 368 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:18.519 arrived from, is from like Afghanis and like you know, 369 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:23.400 cuts from the from the East over there and them 370 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:27.000 getting stored and then popped by people in the nineties, 371 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:30.400 And I think that's where most of these cuts come from. 372 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:32.839 And it actually showed that grape ape was the most 373 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:33.920 basal out of all of them. 374 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:36.799 Does that mean like the parental. 375 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:40.920 Yeah, like further upstream right when you say basil. 376 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:44.119 Yeah, yeah, exactly like it. It would be like grape 377 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:46.519 ape and then like a branch off of that, and 378 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:48.839 it would show GDP and a branch off of that, 379 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:51.960 and it would show Erkele and like, I can't remember 380 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:54.880 the placement of each of them in regard to each other, 381 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:58.039 But it also depends on like what the named cut 382 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:01.039 that those people collected were, because I've never been able 383 00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:03.160 to tell the difference when someone says, oh, this is 384 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:06.640 purple cush clone, this is a GDP this is a 385 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:10.319 purple ercle. Like, they all are really really similar in 386 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:14.839 my opinion, and h yeah, I think that they're all 387 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.680 probably very closely related, if not renames of cuts or 388 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:19.759 bag seeds of each other. 389 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:23.119 Yeah. The SR seventy one purple cush was a big one, 390 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:25.480 and I had that growing side by side with Erkle 391 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:27.559 back in the day, and that was sourced from Blue 392 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:31.720 Skycafe or SR seventy one, which became Blue Skycafe later on, 393 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:35.160 And I could never tell the difference between the two. 394 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:38.400 Sometimes we'd say, oh, the SR seventy one's more hashy, 395 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:41.880 more earthy hashy, but like it could have just been different, 396 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:45.799 you know, just small, little different. I don't even know. 397 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:46.079 Bro. 398 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:49.519 Like, they were also similar, all of them gdp They 399 00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:54.559 all grew short, squat short internode spacing, had less trouble 400 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:56.440 with grape pape. I always thought it was kind of prettier 401 00:21:56.799 --> 00:21:59.279