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Speaker 2: Happy Thursday Friday Eve is what I prefer, and I
Speaker 2: always prefer having guests in the studio, and it is
Speaker 2: a wonderful thing to look across the booth here and
Speaker 2: see Secretary of State Frank LeRose in the studio to
Speaker 2: talk about a variety of different topics. Welcome man, good
Speaker 2: to see you again.
Speaker 3: Great to be back in the Queen City at fifty
Speaker 3: five KRC and not talking to you on the phone
Speaker 3: for one here.
Speaker 2: I know, and yeah, we've run into each other in
Speaker 2: person all the time, and I will say out loud,
Speaker 2: it's glad to see you, casual you're going running after it.
Speaker 2: And I apologize to Frank because I didn't realize who's
Speaker 2: going to be in my studio this morning. And I
Speaker 2: have my defund Politicians t shirt on.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: I'm glad, but you know, I'm in charge of campaign
Speaker 3: finance in Ohio, so we want to defund the you know,
Speaker 3: the bad ones were doing it right.
Speaker 1: Real quick here, right out of the gate.
Speaker 2: I know we've got other things to talk about, but
Speaker 2: I think there's probably no one of my listening audience
Speaker 2: is happy at all about this Cleveland Browns getting six
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars through bond money that we have to
Speaker 2: pay debt service on. I don't I don't understand where
Speaker 2: that come from, How that can be How in a
Speaker 2: representative government that all the Ohio taxpayers is going to
Speaker 2: be shouldering the burden for debt service so the Browns
Speaker 2: can get their new playfield. And this this, this, this facility.
Speaker 2: It's just it's really rubbed my listeners the wrong way.
Speaker 3: And I know I'm going to disclose something here in Cincinnati, Ohio.
Speaker 3: What a city I love. I'm a lifelong Browns fan.
Speaker 3: I grew up in Cleveland, right right, But I also
Speaker 3: am one that believes that football should be played outdoor.
Speaker 3: I think men should play football outdoors in the weather, yes,
Speaker 3: as God intended. But but further, I think that there's
Speaker 3: this national arms race as it relates to stadium funding exactly.
Speaker 3: And I think that the thought by a lot of
Speaker 3: our legislators is, well, we're not going to unilt of
Speaker 3: early disarmy because all these other states are putting public
Speaker 3: money and public bond deals into these stadiums, and so
Speaker 3: Ohio doesn't want to be the state with shabby stadiums
Speaker 3: where we can't have big national events, where we can't
Speaker 3: attract top talent. And Lord knows the Browns need all
Speaker 3: the help they can get when it comes to attracting talent.
Speaker 3: So again, there's two sides to this. I can see
Speaker 3: your point completely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, multimillionaire families sometimes billionaire families, and we the taxpayers,
Speaker 2: pay for them so they can make money off of
Speaker 2: the stadiums that we build on our backs. I find
Speaker 2: the whole thing just I don't know. It's one thing
Speaker 2: that's for sure.
Speaker 3: There's a thing that's called the model rule where if
Speaker 3: any public money goes into a stadium and that team leaves,
Speaker 3: then that money can be clawed back. I mean, if
Speaker 3: there's anything that should be rock solid, it would be that.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll just put an exclamation point on your point
Speaker 2: that men should play football out in the weather. My
Speaker 2: view is, listen, football fields are regulated. Size have to
Speaker 2: be the exact same size. If you've got the football
Speaker 2: field and you got a place for people to sit,
Speaker 2: that's all that's needed to play the game. They could
Speaker 2: play at Knippert Stadium. They could play football field at
Speaker 2: like Elder High School. I mean, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: If you're ever at the old old Brown Stadium. I
Speaker 3: was ruined from like one year old. My dad would
Speaker 3: take me to the old Cleveland Municipal Stadium, but you
Speaker 3: had to pee in a trough. Yeah, oh that was yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, so remember those days and listen. Here's something
Speaker 3: that Cleveland and Cincinnati have in common as it relates
Speaker 3: to football. The great legacy of Paul Brown, who would
Speaker 3: have been rolling in his grave seeing the pampered, the
Speaker 3: pamper millionaires that are playing football these days, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And also the pampered millionaires who seem
Speaker 2: to have all the resources that like, for example, we
Speaker 2: have Dow Stadium upgrades here in the city of Cincinnati
Speaker 2: from Clay Course Stadium, obligated by that terrible lease deal
Speaker 2: that we approved. They put all the money into the booths,
Speaker 2: the elite booths that none of the unwashed masters are
Speaker 2: ever going to get into. So it's like, oh, we
Speaker 2: need four hundred million dollars or two hundrellion dollars or whatever,
Speaker 2: and you know the x amount of that at large
Speaker 2: slice that is going to go to the private booths
Speaker 2: where the elite gets to watch the games, and let's
Speaker 2: face it, the unwashed masses.
Speaker 1: And Zip Champagne towards caviats they washed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry to get down that road. We had
Speaker 2: a conversation early in the program this morning about it.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about voter turnout, which was pathetic. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: I know it was an off cycle election. I fully
Speaker 2: appreciate that, but you know, issue too, was there there
Speaker 2: was a reason to go out and vote. And what
Speaker 2: was it?
Speaker 1: Ten percent?
Speaker 3: It was just over ten percent. And this is funny
Speaker 3: because we have what we call election night operations. It's
Speaker 3: a room where we're running. We got a direct line
Speaker 3: to each of the eighty eight county boards of elections.
Speaker 3: We're pulling the numbers in from them every half hour.
Speaker 3: We're validating those numbers, we're flashing them up on the website.
Speaker 3: So we're in the in the mode, we're in the game.
Speaker 3: And when we went over ten percent, everybody cheered, and
Speaker 3: I was so excited that we went over ten percent,
Speaker 3: and then I said, stop, team, just realize here that
Speaker 3: we're celebrating that ninety percent didn't vote. I know, but listen,
Speaker 3: when we a party, we don't want people to not come.
Speaker 3: And so we want to see high voter turnout, and
Speaker 3: so we were happy to see that it went over
Speaker 3: ten percent because we weren't expecting much. I mean, the
Speaker 3: total number was eight hundred and sixty eighty one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty four of our fellow Ohioans who bothered to
Speaker 3: get off their butts and participate in one of the
Speaker 3: three forms of voting we have either early voting for
Speaker 3: a whole month, or absently voting where we literally mail
Speaker 3: your ballot to your house for you, or election day voting.
Speaker 3: Now again, it's hard to get people excited about what
Speaker 3: are so called off year elections, these these even these
Speaker 3: odd numbered years like twenty twenty five. Now contrast that,
Speaker 3: though to the even numbered years twenty twenty record breaking
Speaker 3: year twenty twenty two, we broke the record for agubernatorial election.
Speaker 3: Last year in twenty twenty four, we broke the all
Speaker 3: time record for early voting. So it's not that Ohioans
Speaker 3: are not civically engaged. Ohioans care about voting. They're and
Speaker 3: they're engaged in it, and they know that it's both
Speaker 3: easy to vote and hard to cheat in our state.
Speaker 3: And they show up in record numbers when they care.
Speaker 3: The problem is getting people to care about local issues. Yeah,
Speaker 3: local elections. People get excited about presidential elections. People get
Speaker 3: excited about governor's elections, US senate races. It's hard to
Speaker 3: get people excited about the mayor's race and the city
Speaker 3: council race and a statewide ballot issue. And it's unfortunate
Speaker 3: because listen, it matters who lives in the White House.
Speaker 3: As a soldier, I can tell you this, I leave
Speaker 3: for army duty next week, and as a reservist, it
Speaker 3: matters who my commander in chief is. But who lives
Speaker 3: in the White House is probably not as important in
Speaker 3: your daily life as who works at the courthouse and
Speaker 3: the schoolhouse and at city hall. And in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: five and years like that, that's when we make those decisions.
Speaker 3: So you know, get off your butt and go vote.
Speaker 2: Well, going back to the record year, the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four election, that was a record year for early voting.
Speaker 3: Correct and by the way, Republicans dominated early voting, which
Speaker 3: is historically unusual. We were now again we can't tell
Speaker 3: how people voted, but we could tell in the numbers
Speaker 3: leading up to election day, Republicans had out voted Democrats
Speaker 3: by over two hundred and fifty thousand, a quarter million.
Speaker 3: So we started election day up by a quarter million.
Speaker 3: No wonder we dominated on election Day. I hope that's
Speaker 3: a lesson to my fellow Republicans to continue taking advantage
Speaker 3: of all three good options. It's like if you're a
Speaker 3: football coach, you can score points by running, passing, or kicking.
Speaker 3: You'd be foolish to only use one of those three.
Speaker 3: We need to make sure that people vote whichever way
Speaker 3: is convenient for them. But they got to vote.
Speaker 2: Well, what percentage of eligible islands voted in the presidential election? Generally,
Speaker 2: like if you had ten percent in Ohio for the
Speaker 2: off cycle election, we just went through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always north of fifty. I mean sometimes we
Speaker 3: get into the sixties and seventies. I tell the story
Speaker 3: about when I was serving in Iraq. This is go
Speaker 3: back to two thousand and five. They had their first
Speaker 3: real election. They'd had the BS elections where Saddam Hussein
Speaker 3: got one hundred percent of the vote. Everybody knew that
Speaker 3: it was nonsense, but I was there as a soldier
Speaker 3: to see their first real election.
Speaker 1: So the purple fingers and.
Speaker 3: I tell the story. People were being threatened though these
Speaker 3: Islamist groups from backed by Iran. We're telling people that
Speaker 3: it was un Islamic to vote. That's a lie. They
Speaker 3: were saying that if they saw that purple ink on
Speaker 3: your finger, they would cut your finger off. And so
Speaker 3: when those Iraqis held that purple finger in the air,
Speaker 3: it might as well have been another finger. They were saying,
Speaker 3: I'm not afraid of you. And so that election we
Speaker 3: saw over seventy percent. I always joke that listen, nobody's
Speaker 3: threatening to cut fingers off in a while. No, and
Speaker 3: we almost never get over seventy percent. But again, it
Speaker 3: shows you that free people can make a difference when
Speaker 3: they go out to vote, and we need to not
Speaker 3: take that right for granted here.
Speaker 2: Well, and to those people who are upset about the
Speaker 2: six hundred million dollars just referred to, that was my retort,
Speaker 2: which is, you know it isn't illegal. Necessarily. Elected officials
Speaker 2: are always picking the winners and losers in terms of
Speaker 2: where our taxpayers go. It's the ballot box is how
Speaker 2: you hold them accountable.
Speaker 3: Every vote is determined by those who show up. And
Speaker 3: I always laugh when I encounter protesters that don't vote,
Speaker 3: like you're missing, like you're going to wave a picket sign,
Speaker 3: you're gonna go out there and protest, but you're not
Speaker 3: going to vote. You're missing the most important part of
Speaker 3: the process. We're continue with Secretary of State frankle Rose
Speaker 3: in studio. We'll talk a little bit about qualified community
Speaker 3: and his run for State Auditor. Frank LeRose dot com
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Speaker 2: Sevent eighteen to fifty five KRCD talk station Happy Friday.
Speaker 2: E Frank Lero, Secretary of State, Reach for now soon
Speaker 2: to be State Auditor if he gets his way running
Speaker 2: for State Auditor. Frank Lorose dot com where you find
Speaker 2: Frank Frank. I got to ask you, man before we
Speaker 2: get the qualified immunity in your comments on that. That's
Speaker 2: an amendment that's being circulated ballot and issuative out there,
Speaker 2: and I know you're responsible for the language and you
Speaker 2: just approved the least the language of the heading.
Speaker 3: We approved it as one as one issue, so there's
Speaker 3: a multi step process.
Speaker 1: I cheer. Is really called the ballot board.
Speaker 2: Okay, By way of explanation, I'm talking about pivoting over
Speaker 2: to the amendment of the constitution that would remove property tax.
Speaker 2: And I wanted to gauge your reaction on that because
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how things would work out if it passed,
Speaker 2: and I'm guessing it probably would if it's actually on
Speaker 2: the ballot. So let's even take a step back. And
Speaker 2: I kind of editorialized on this yesterday when I was
Speaker 2: chairing the ballot board to look at it and approve
Speaker 2: whether it should be one issue or separate issues on
Speaker 2: the ballot. We're leaning too far into direct democracy right now.
Speaker 2: In Ohio.
Speaker 3: We are a representative republic. It has served us well
Speaker 3: for two hundred years. We do not want to govern
Speaker 3: via constitutional amendment. Legislation should be done in the state
Speaker 3: House and the state Senate. It should not be done
Speaker 3: by constitutional amendment. Now, listen, I believe that property tax
Speaker 3: is entirely too high. When your mortgage payment is more
Speaker 3: than half of it is your property tax, something's wrong.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It feels like you are and how about seniors on
Speaker 3: a fixed income. They've paid off that mortgage, they burned
Speaker 3: that note already, and now it feels like they're renting
Speaker 3: their property from the state government, from the local government.
Speaker 3: Too high, property taxes are too high. This may not
Speaker 3: be the way to fix it, though, right, and so
Speaker 3: I think that things like putting a cap on it,
Speaker 3: revisiting a thing called the homestead exemption that provides property
Speaker 3: tax relief for seniors. And something I'm going to focus
Speaker 3: on as the state auditor is who the heck's spending
Speaker 3: all this money at the local level and are they
Speaker 3: accountable and are they efficient? Really, the State Auditor's Office
Speaker 3: could be o DOGE, Ohio Department of Government Efficiency. And
Speaker 3: you know, if you're not happy with your county commissioners,
Speaker 3: you know who to vote out. If you're not happy
Speaker 3: with your city, you know who to vote out. But
Speaker 3: how about the local housing authority, how about the planning commission?
Speaker 3: How about the park district? Who do you hold accountable
Speaker 3: for that kind of stuff?
Speaker 2: Well, and we keep voting to have those levies replaced
Speaker 2: or increased or continuing resolution. I know it's on the
Speaker 2: backs of the people who show up to vote, but
Speaker 2: a large chunk of the property taxes is schools. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the Ohio Supreme Court declared two decades ago that
Speaker 2: our funding mechanism for schools in the state of Ohio
Speaker 2: is unconstitutional. And yet here we are ty years later,
Speaker 2: still doing it the same way. Now someone had called
Speaker 2: in because I'm a lawyer, this was a mystery to me,
Speaker 2: and how it will be characterized as a complaint. Isn't
Speaker 2: there some mechanism we could refuse to pay our property
Speaker 2: taxes because the Supreme Court has declared it unconstitutional at
Speaker 2: least that portion of taxes.
Speaker 3: That's like the sovereign citizens said, say, I don't need
Speaker 3: a license plate. That doesn't work. But here's the thing
Speaker 3: that what you're talking about is the thing from God.
Speaker 3: I was a high school student when this happened, the
Speaker 3: d'olf decision, and what it was based on is school facilities.
Speaker 3: The first draft decision was all about you had these
Speaker 3: little Appalachian schools with dirt floors, and then you had
Speaker 3: these suburban schools that were beautiful, and there was disparity
Speaker 3: between that. Honestly, that part has been largely fixed through
Speaker 3: a thing that the Ohio state government calls the school
Speaker 3: Facilities Commission. You noticed a lot of nice schools built
Speaker 3: over the last few decades in Ohio.
Speaker 1: Maybe some of them too, nice.
Speaker 3: College university level stuff exactly, But that was the School
Speaker 3: Facilities Commission. So we've largely fixed the disparity in school buildings.
Speaker 3: Now what happens inside of those is still a problem, right,
Speaker 3: And we know that your zip code has a lot
Speaker 3: to do with what quality of schools you have. And
Speaker 3: I think, honestly, this is why school choice is so important.
Speaker 3: I think the school choice is the civil rights issue
Speaker 3: of our era. Amen, no kid. If we believe in
Speaker 3: a meritocracy, we do that any kid should be able
Speaker 3: to grow up and make something of themselves and live
Speaker 3: up to their God given potential. It has to start
Speaker 3: with good schools for any kid. By the way, this
Speaker 3: was one of our founding ideals when the Northwest Ordinance
Speaker 3: created this thing that we now call Ohio. Right public
Speaker 3: schools was a revolutionary idea that didn't exist, And so
Speaker 3: you know, we need to have good schools and property
Speaker 3: tax is currently part of the mix. Now here's the
Speaker 3: problem too, though. If you get rid of property taxes,
Speaker 3: are you relying entirely on state level taxation. You don't
Speaker 3: have local taxation because guess what, the people that are
Speaker 3: paying are making the decisions. So if you want to
Speaker 3: have local control over your schools, you need to have
Speaker 3: some level of local funding as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question about it. It complicates matters just I mean,
Speaker 2: beyond my comprehension, And sometimes I think, how would this
Speaker 2: all work?
Speaker 3: You wouldn't design it this way. If you were going
Speaker 3: to start today to design a state, you just wouldn't
Speaker 3: build it this way. But we're stuck with some legacy
Speaker 3: issues that we need to work through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And on school choice, Indiana has had demonstrably great
Speaker 2: luck with the school choice. They've expanded it, but it's
Speaker 2: proven benefits for the students. The numbers have gone up,
Speaker 2: the reading scores are now in the top ten, their
Speaker 2: math stores are now in the top ten. And it
Speaker 2: wasn't always that way. So I think we should embrace
Speaker 2: that model and run with it.
Speaker 3: We've gone a long way on school choice, We've got
Speaker 3: further to go. Yes we do, Yes, we do real quick.
Speaker 2: On qualified immunity, as qualified immunity men, and speaking of
Speaker 2: ballot initiatives, the police do enjoy qualified immunity for the
Speaker 2: job that they are doing.
Speaker 3: What's your take on the measure itself. Yeah, terrible idea.
Speaker 3: Imagine anario where in a completely justifiable use of force,
Speaker 3: so bad guy pulls a gun, police officer shoots bad guy,
Speaker 3: bad guy dies, bad guy's family if this past could
Speaker 3: then personally sue that police officer for pain and suffering
Speaker 3: and lost wages and what even a completely justifiable situation.
Speaker 3: And now nobody's going to want to be a police officer.
Speaker 3: If your personal assets, your home, your personal wages could
Speaker 3: be taken away to compensate some bad guy's family. It's
Speaker 3: a crazy idea and it's something that really, if it
Speaker 3: makes the ballot, Ohioan should roundly reject it in the
Speaker 3: name of public safety and standing with police. Now, let
Speaker 3: me be clear, ninety nine point nine percent of the
Speaker 3: time the men and women in law enforcement do the
Speaker 3: right thing. On that fraction of a percent. When they don't,
Speaker 3: they'll face justice for it. They need to write and
Speaker 3: their consequences. But qualified getting rid of qualified immunity is
Speaker 3: a kooky idea.
Speaker 2: I agree completely. It's tough enough getting police who are
Speaker 2: getting citizens to consider into law enforcement these days, and
Speaker 2: for someone out there screaming go well, if there's nothing wrong,
Speaker 2: it was justifiable shooting, then there's no way that could
Speaker 2: be found liable. There's a thing called legal expenses, and
Speaker 2: having to lawyer up and pay that lawyer four or
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars for every hour work is an insurmountable
Speaker 2: challenge in and of itself. Most people can't afford that
Speaker 2: kind of money, and to foist that upon law enforcement officers,
Speaker 2: it's just going to be a horrific thing. So, Frank LeRose,
Speaker 2: a comment on your run for state Auditor, just a
Speaker 2: real brief before we part company this morning.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the auditor has two job, catching crooks that engage
Speaker 3: in public corruption. Anybody that would break the public trust
Speaker 3: by taking tax dollars and put in their own pocket
Speaker 3: needs to be in jail. That happens, unfortunately. I'll do
Speaker 3: that as Auditor of state. The other thing is government efficiency.
Speaker 3: The auditor can come into any of six thousand different
Speaker 3: local and state government offices and find out if they're
Speaker 3: running as smoothly as they should.
Speaker 1: Think about it.
Speaker 3: As Ohio doje, That's how I plan to use it
Speaker 3: to shake the waste out of local and state government.
Speaker 3: I'm excited about this.
Speaker 2: I've got quite a few listens out there right now
Speaker 2: probably screaming the word medicaid at the rate because I
Speaker 2: know we got some problems during the state of Highway.
Speaker 3: Row abuse all of that. Yeah, and our current auditor,
Speaker 3: Keith Faber, has has gone a long way. He's done
Speaker 3: an audit of the state medicaid system. But now it's
Speaker 3: time that we implement some of those things. By the way,
Speaker 3: this is why I'm excited for our next governor, who
Speaker 3: I believe is going to be Vi Vake Ramaswami. I
Speaker 3: think he's the man that's got the courage to actually
Speaker 3: fix the stuff that the auditor finds wrong.
Speaker 2: Boy, he have the backing of the Ohio Republican Party too.
Speaker 2: Was it vote sixty sixty to three or something like.
Speaker 1: That to tell you what, Yeah, he is a good man.
Speaker 3: You're seeing a consolidation early because he's a visionary leader
Speaker 3: that actually has the courage to get things done. I
Speaker 3: describe it as you know in the military, you've got
Speaker 3: leaders you have to follow because they've got more rank.
Speaker 3: This is that rare leader that you want to follow.
Speaker 3: And I was the first one back him. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: was the first one to back him. I'm out on
Speaker 3: the campaign trail with him all the time, and I
Speaker 3: think he's got the potential to be the most transformative
Speaker 3: governor of our generation.
Speaker 2: I share your belief in that, I truly do. Frank
Speaker 2: Lrose has been a real pleasure. Thanks for stopping in
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