WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:17.679 Seven. I was six here picking about PARCD talk station. 2 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:21.679 Happy Thursday Friday Eve is what I prefer, and I 3 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:23.679 always prefer having guests in the studio, and it is 4 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:25.839 a wonderful thing to look across the booth here and 5 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:28.640 see Secretary of State Frank LeRose in the studio to 6 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:31.320 talk about a variety of different topics. Welcome man, good 7 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:31.879 to see you again. 8 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:34.439 Great to be back in the Queen City at fifty 9 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:36.880 five KRC and not talking to you on the phone 10 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:38.039 for one here. 11 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:39.759 I know, and yeah, we've run into each other in 12 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:42.079 person all the time, and I will say out loud, 13 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:44.159 it's glad to see you, casual you're going running after it. 14 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:47.079 And I apologize to Frank because I didn't realize who's 15 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:48.719 going to be in my studio this morning. And I 16 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:51.320 have my defund Politicians t shirt on. 17 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:52.039 I love it. 18 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:54.719 I'm glad, but you know, I'm in charge of campaign 19 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:58.079 finance in Ohio, so we want to defund the you know, 20 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:01.119 the bad ones were doing it right. 21 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:03.399 Real quick here, right out of the gate. 22 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:05.400 I know we've got other things to talk about, but 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:08.840 I think there's probably no one of my listening audience 24 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:11.319 is happy at all about this Cleveland Browns getting six 25 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.519 hundred million dollars through bond money that we have to 26 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:17.439 pay debt service on. I don't I don't understand where 27 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:19.439 that come from, How that can be How in a 28 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:22.000 representative government that all the Ohio taxpayers is going to 29 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.439 be shouldering the burden for debt service so the Browns 30 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:27.359 can get their new playfield. And this this, this, this facility. 31 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:30.599 It's just it's really rubbed my listeners the wrong way. 32 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:35.000 And I know I'm going to disclose something here in Cincinnati, Ohio. 33 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:37.280 What a city I love. I'm a lifelong Browns fan. 34 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:39.920 I grew up in Cleveland, right right, But I also 35 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:42.920 am one that believes that football should be played outdoor. 36 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:46.079 I think men should play football outdoors in the weather, yes, 37 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:50.239 as God intended. But but further, I think that there's 38 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:55.599 this national arms race as it relates to stadium funding exactly. 39 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:57.400 And I think that the thought by a lot of 40 00:01:57.400 --> 00:01:59.400 our legislators is, well, we're not going to unilt of 41 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:02.439 early disarmy because all these other states are putting public 42 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:05.760 money and public bond deals into these stadiums, and so 43 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:09.520 Ohio doesn't want to be the state with shabby stadiums 44 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:12.639 where we can't have big national events, where we can't 45 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:15.759 attract top talent. And Lord knows the Browns need all 46 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:18.360 the help they can get when it comes to attracting talent. 47 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.439 So again, there's two sides to this. I can see 48 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:23.080 your point completely. 49 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:28.319 Yeah, multimillionaire families sometimes billionaire families, and we the taxpayers, 50 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:31.360 pay for them so they can make money off of 51 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:34.639 the stadiums that we build on our backs. I find 52 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:37.080 the whole thing just I don't know. It's one thing 53 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:37.680 that's for sure. 54 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:40.680 There's a thing that's called the model rule where if 55 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:44.599 any public money goes into a stadium and that team leaves, 56 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:47.360 then that money can be clawed back. I mean, if 57 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:50.039 there's anything that should be rock solid, it would be that. 58 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:52.120 Well, I'll just put an exclamation point on your point 59 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:54.400 that men should play football out in the weather. My 60 00:02:54.520 --> 00:03:00.280 view is, listen, football fields are regulated. Size have to 61 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:02.960 be the exact same size. If you've got the football 62 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:05.800 field and you got a place for people to sit, 63 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:07.800 that's all that's needed to play the game. They could 64 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:10.240 play at Knippert Stadium. They could play football field at 65 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:12.719 like Elder High School. I mean, you know, I don't know. 66 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:14.759 If you're ever at the old old Brown Stadium. I 67 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:17.199 was ruined from like one year old. My dad would 68 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:19.439 take me to the old Cleveland Municipal Stadium, but you 69 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:22.520 had to pee in a trough. Yeah, oh that was yeah, okay, yeah, 70 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:24.919 you know, so remember those days and listen. Here's something 71 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:27.240 that Cleveland and Cincinnati have in common as it relates 72 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:30.000 to football. The great legacy of Paul Brown, who would 73 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:34.080 have been rolling in his grave seeing the pampered, the 74 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:37.199 pamper millionaires that are playing football these days, you know. 75 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:39.960 Oh my god. And also the pampered millionaires who seem 76 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:41.919 to have all the resources that like, for example, we 77 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:43.879 have Dow Stadium upgrades here in the city of Cincinnati 78 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:46.240 from Clay Course Stadium, obligated by that terrible lease deal 79 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:49.599 that we approved. They put all the money into the booths, 80 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.520 the elite booths that none of the unwashed masters are 81 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:55.360 ever going to get into. So it's like, oh, we 82 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:57.639 need four hundred million dollars or two hundrellion dollars or whatever, 83 00:03:57.719 --> 00:03:59.639 and you know the x amount of that at large 84 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:02.639 slice that is going to go to the private booths 85 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:05.439 where the elite gets to watch the games, and let's 86 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:07.159 face it, the unwashed masses. 87 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:09.919 And Zip Champagne towards caviats they washed. 88 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:13.719 Yeah, I'm sorry to get down that road. We had 89 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:15.800 a conversation early in the program this morning about it. 90 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:19.279 Let's talk about voter turnout, which was pathetic. Yeah, I mean, 91 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:21.639 I know it was an off cycle election. I fully 92 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:25.040 appreciate that, but you know, issue too, was there there 93 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:26.879 was a reason to go out and vote. And what 94 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:27.199 was it? 95 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:27.800 Ten percent? 96 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:30.800 It was just over ten percent. And this is funny 97 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:33.600 because we have what we call election night operations. It's 98 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:37.000 a room where we're running. We got a direct line 99 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:38.920 to each of the eighty eight county boards of elections. 100 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:41.240 We're pulling the numbers in from them every half hour. 101 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:44.040 We're validating those numbers, we're flashing them up on the website. 102 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:45.720 So we're in the in the mode, we're in the game. 103 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:49.399 And when we went over ten percent, everybody cheered, and 104 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:51.800 I was so excited that we went over ten percent, 105 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:54.879 and then I said, stop, team, just realize here that 106 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:59.680 we're celebrating that ninety percent didn't vote. I know, but listen, 107 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:01.879 when we a party, we don't want people to not come. 108 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:04.160 And so we want to see high voter turnout, and 109 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:05.920 so we were happy to see that it went over 110 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:08.160 ten percent because we weren't expecting much. I mean, the 111 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:11.680 total number was eight hundred and sixty eighty one hundred 112 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:14.519 and twenty four of our fellow Ohioans who bothered to 113 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:17.120 get off their butts and participate in one of the 114 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:19.879 three forms of voting we have either early voting for 115 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:23.120 a whole month, or absently voting where we literally mail 116 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:26.199 your ballot to your house for you, or election day voting. 117 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:30.079 Now again, it's hard to get people excited about what 118 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.439 are so called off year elections, these these even these 119 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:36.399 odd numbered years like twenty twenty five. Now contrast that, 120 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:40.720 though to the even numbered years twenty twenty record breaking 121 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:44.240 year twenty twenty two, we broke the record for agubernatorial election. 122 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:47.160 Last year in twenty twenty four, we broke the all 123 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:50.120 time record for early voting. So it's not that Ohioans 124 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.519 are not civically engaged. Ohioans care about voting. They're and 125 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:55.560 they're engaged in it, and they know that it's both 126 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:57.759 easy to vote and hard to cheat in our state. 127 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.360 And they show up in record numbers when they care. 128 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:05.000 The problem is getting people to care about local issues. Yeah, 129 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:09.079 local elections. People get excited about presidential elections. People get 130 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:13.240 excited about governor's elections, US senate races. It's hard to 131 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:15.680 get people excited about the mayor's race and the city 132 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:19.399 council race and a statewide ballot issue. And it's unfortunate 133 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:22.160 because listen, it matters who lives in the White House. 134 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:24.040 As a soldier, I can tell you this, I leave 135 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:26.319 for army duty next week, and as a reservist, it 136 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:29.000 matters who my commander in chief is. But who lives 137 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:31.480 in the White House is probably not as important in 138 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:33.759 your daily life as who works at the courthouse and 139 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:37.360 the schoolhouse and at city hall. And in twenty twenty 140 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:40.279 five and years like that, that's when we make those decisions. 141 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:42.360 So you know, get off your butt and go vote. 142 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:45.160 Well, going back to the record year, the twenty twenty 143 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.160 four election, that was a record year for early voting. 144 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:51.079 Correct and by the way, Republicans dominated early voting, which 145 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:54.560 is historically unusual. We were now again we can't tell 146 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:57.480 how people voted, but we could tell in the numbers 147 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:01.040 leading up to election day, Republicans had out voted Democrats 148 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.879 by over two hundred and fifty thousand, a quarter million. 149 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:07.000 So we started election day up by a quarter million. 150 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:10.040 No wonder we dominated on election Day. I hope that's 151 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:13.319 a lesson to my fellow Republicans to continue taking advantage 152 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:15.360 of all three good options. It's like if you're a 153 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.959 football coach, you can score points by running, passing, or kicking. 154 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.759 You'd be foolish to only use one of those three. 155 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:24.199 We need to make sure that people vote whichever way 156 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:25.639 is convenient for them. But they got to vote. 157 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:30.639 Well, what percentage of eligible islands voted in the presidential election? Generally, 158 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:32.879 like if you had ten percent in Ohio for the 159 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:34.480 off cycle election, we just went through. 160 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:37.040 Yeah, it's always north of fifty. I mean sometimes we 161 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:38.839 get into the sixties and seventies. I tell the story 162 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:41.560 about when I was serving in Iraq. This is go 163 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:44.319 back to two thousand and five. They had their first 164 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:47.399 real election. They'd had the BS elections where Saddam Hussein 165 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:49.000 got one hundred percent of the vote. Everybody knew that 166 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:50.920 it was nonsense, but I was there as a soldier 167 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:52.839 to see their first real election. 168 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:54.680 So the purple fingers and. 169 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:56.920 I tell the story. People were being threatened though these 170 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:00.680 Islamist groups from backed by Iran. We're telling people that 171 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:03.120 it was un Islamic to vote. That's a lie. They 172 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:04.959 were saying that if they saw that purple ink on 173 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:07.199 your finger, they would cut your finger off. And so 174 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.480 when those Iraqis held that purple finger in the air, 175 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:11.519 it might as well have been another finger. They were saying, 176 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.439 I'm not afraid of you. And so that election we 177 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:17.839 saw over seventy percent. I always joke that listen, nobody's 178 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:20.560 threatening to cut fingers off in a while. No, and 179 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:23.360 we almost never get over seventy percent. But again, it 180 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:27.000 shows you that free people can make a difference when 181 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:29.040 they go out to vote, and we need to not 182 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:30.759 take that right for granted here. 183 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:32.919 Well, and to those people who are upset about the 184 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:35.440 six hundred million dollars just referred to, that was my retort, 185 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.720 which is, you know it isn't illegal. Necessarily. Elected officials 186 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:41.600 are always picking the winners and losers in terms of 187 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:44.679 where our taxpayers go. It's the ballot box is how 188 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:45.720 you hold them accountable. 189 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:49.039 Every vote is determined by those who show up. And 190 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:52.559 I always laugh when I encounter protesters that don't vote, 191 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:56.200 like you're missing, like you're going to wave a picket sign, 192 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:58.039 you're gonna go out there and protest, but you're not 193 00:08:58.039 --> 00:08:59.960 going to vote. You're missing the most important part of 194 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.639 the process. We're continue with Secretary of State frankle Rose 195 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:05.679 in studio. We'll talk a little bit about qualified community 196 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:09.360 and his run for State Auditor. Frank LeRose dot com 197 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:10.799 is where you can get the info about Frank. 198 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:13.320 Maybe help them out. 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We're 228 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:34.799 going to get some storms in the afternoon and evening 229 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:38.480 storms are likely starting around five pm, with wind gus 230 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:41.679 tornadoes and torrential downpours possibility. 231 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:43.759 Eighty two to the high tomorrow overnight low sixty two. 232 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:45.960 The rain I'll move out. We'll have a dry day 233 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.799 on Saturday, partly cloudy with the highest seventy three sixty three. 234 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:50.519 Right now, let's get a traffic update, Chuck. 235 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:52.879 From the UC UP Triumphings Center. 236 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.879 You see health hands Expert traumacare focusing non prevention, treating 237 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:00.840 injuries and supporting long term recovery and rehabilitation. Learn more 238 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:04.600 had UC help dot com. Highway traffic settling down a 239 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:08.440 bit all rex on inbound seventy four now clear, delayser 240 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:10.679 gone to northbound seventy five. 241 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:11.799 You're off and on the brakes. 242 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:15.240 From Buttermilk to Kyle's southbound slows a bit out of Lackland. 243 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:18.840 Chuck Ingram on fifty five krs the talk station. 244 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:23.720 Sevent eighteen to fifty five KRCD talk station Happy Friday. 245 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:27.200 E Frank Lero, Secretary of State, Reach for now soon 246 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:29.039 to be State Auditor if he gets his way running 247 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:31.200 for State Auditor. Frank Lorose dot com where you find 248 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:33.399 Frank Frank. I got to ask you, man before we 249 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:35.360 get the qualified immunity in your comments on that. That's 250 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.320 an amendment that's being circulated ballot and issuative out there, 251 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:40.200 and I know you're responsible for the language and you 252 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:43.559 just approved the least the language of the heading. 253 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:46.440 We approved it as one as one issue, so there's 254 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:47.480 a multi step process. 255 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:49.519 I cheer. Is really called the ballot board. 256 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:53.279 Okay, By way of explanation, I'm talking about pivoting over 257 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:56.879 to the amendment of the constitution that would remove property tax. 258 00:11:57.519 --> 00:11:59.240 And I wanted to gauge your reaction on that because 259 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:03.360 I'm not sure how things would work out if it passed, 260 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:06.120 and I'm guessing it probably would if it's actually on 261 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:08.200 the ballot. So let's even take a step back. And 262 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:10.799 I kind of editorialized on this yesterday when I was 263 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:13.399 chairing the ballot board to look at it and approve 264 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:15.799 whether it should be one issue or separate issues on 265 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:20.440 the ballot. We're leaning too far into direct democracy right now. 266 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:20.879 In Ohio. 267 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:24.240 We are a representative republic. It has served us well 268 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.519 for two hundred years. We do not want to govern 269 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:30.720 via constitutional amendment. Legislation should be done in the state 270 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:33.200 House and the state Senate. It should not be done 271 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.919 by constitutional amendment. Now, listen, I believe that property tax 272 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:42.720 is entirely too high. When your mortgage payment is more 273 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:45.840 than half of it is your property tax, something's wrong. 274 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:46.080 Right. 275 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:48.720 It feels like you are and how about seniors on 276 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:51.159 a fixed income. They've paid off that mortgage, they burned 277 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:54.639 that note already, and now it feels like they're renting 278 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:57.519 their property from the state government, from the local government. 279 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:00.360 Too high, property taxes are too high. This may not 280 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:02.440 be the way to fix it, though, right, and so 281 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:04.600 I think that things like putting a cap on it, 282 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:09.720 revisiting a thing called the homestead exemption that provides property 283 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:12.559 tax relief for seniors. And something I'm going to focus 284 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:15.480 on as the state auditor is who the heck's spending 285 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:17.440 all this money at the local level and are they 286 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:20.639 accountable and are they efficient? Really, the State Auditor's Office 287 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:24.879 could be o DOGE, Ohio Department of Government Efficiency. And 288 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:27.759 you know, if you're not happy with your county commissioners, 289 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:29.399 you know who to vote out. If you're not happy 290 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:31.519 with your city, you know who to vote out. But 291 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:35.559 how about the local housing authority, how about the planning commission? 292 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:38.639 How about the park district? Who do you hold accountable 293 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:39.519 for that kind of stuff? 294 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:43.159 Well, and we keep voting to have those levies replaced 295 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:47.559 or increased or continuing resolution. I know it's on the 296 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:49.360 backs of the people who show up to vote, but 297 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:52.559 a large chunk of the property taxes is schools. Yeah, 298 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:55.679 and the Ohio Supreme Court declared two decades ago that 299 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:57.960 our funding mechanism for schools in the state of Ohio 300 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:00.600 is unconstitutional. And yet here we are ty years later, 301 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:03.120 still doing it the same way. Now someone had called 302 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:06.679 in because I'm a lawyer, this was a mystery to me, 303 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:09.240 and how it will be characterized as a complaint. Isn't 304 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:11.559 there some mechanism we could refuse to pay our property 305 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:14.240 taxes because the Supreme Court has declared it unconstitutional at 306 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:15.879 least that portion of taxes. 307 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:18.120 That's like the sovereign citizens said, say, I don't need 308 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:20.639 a license plate. That doesn't work. But here's the thing 309 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:23.279 that what you're talking about is the thing from God. 310 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:25.519 I was a high school student when this happened, the 311 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:30.000 d'olf decision, and what it was based on is school facilities. 312 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:33.600 The first draft decision was all about you had these 313 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:37.200 little Appalachian schools with dirt floors, and then you had 314 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:41.159 these suburban schools that were beautiful, and there was disparity 315 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:44.799 between that. Honestly, that part has been largely fixed through 316 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:47.720 a thing that the Ohio state government calls the school 317 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:50.879 Facilities Commission. You noticed a lot of nice schools built 318 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:52.639 over the last few decades in Ohio. 319 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:55.000 Maybe some of them too, nice. 320 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:58.600 College university level stuff exactly, But that was the School 321 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:03.039 Facilities Commission. So we've largely fixed the disparity in school buildings. 322 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:06.399 Now what happens inside of those is still a problem, right, 323 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:08.919 And we know that your zip code has a lot 324 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:11.440 to do with what quality of schools you have. And 325 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:14.600 I think, honestly, this is why school choice is so important. 326 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:17.120 I think the school choice is the civil rights issue 327 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:19.759 of our era. Amen, no kid. If we believe in 328 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:22.360 a meritocracy, we do that any kid should be able 329 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.519 to grow up and make something of themselves and live 330 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:27.080 up to their God given potential. It has to start 331 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:30.559 with good schools for any kid. By the way, this 332 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:34.279 was one of our founding ideals when the Northwest Ordinance 333 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:38.039 created this thing that we now call Ohio. Right public 334 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:42.240 schools was a revolutionary idea that didn't exist, And so 335 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:45.639 you know, we need to have good schools and property 336 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:48.039 tax is currently part of the mix. Now here's the 337 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:50.360 problem too, though. If you get rid of property taxes, 338 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:54.559 are you relying entirely on state level taxation. You don't 339 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:57.399 have local taxation because guess what, the people that are 340 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:00.840 paying are making the decisions. So if you want to 341 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.480 have local control over your schools, you need to have 342 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:05.679 some level of local funding as well. 343 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:09.039 Yeah, no question about it. It complicates matters just I mean, 344 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:11.360 beyond my comprehension, And sometimes I think, how would this 345 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:12.039 all work? 346 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:14.159 You wouldn't design it this way. If you were going 347 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:16.440 to start today to design a state, you just wouldn't 348 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:18.519 build it this way. But we're stuck with some legacy 349 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:19.679 issues that we need to work through. 350 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:24.080 Yeah, And on school choice, Indiana has had demonstrably great 351 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:27.320 luck with the school choice. They've expanded it, but it's 352 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:30.039 proven benefits for the students. The numbers have gone up, 353 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:32.440 the reading scores are now in the top ten, their 354 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:34.519 math stores are now in the top ten. And it 355 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:36.559 wasn't always that way. So I think we should embrace 356 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:38.240 that model and run with it. 357 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:39.919 We've gone a long way on school choice, We've got 358 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:43.000 further to go. Yes we do, Yes, we do real quick. 359 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:45.879 On qualified immunity, as qualified immunity men, and speaking of 360 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:51.519 ballot initiatives, the police do enjoy qualified immunity for the 361 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:52.360 job that they are doing. 362 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:58.279 What's your take on the measure itself. Yeah, terrible idea. 363 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:03.080 Imagine anario where in a completely justifiable use of force, 364 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:06.559 so bad guy pulls a gun, police officer shoots bad guy, 365 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:10.720 bad guy dies, bad guy's family if this past could 366 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:15.640 then personally sue that police officer for pain and suffering 367 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:19.440 and lost wages and what even a completely justifiable situation. 368 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:22.160 And now nobody's going to want to be a police officer. 369 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:26.799 If your personal assets, your home, your personal wages could 370 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:30.359 be taken away to compensate some bad guy's family. It's 371 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.200 a crazy idea and it's something that really, if it 372 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:36.519 makes the ballot, Ohioan should roundly reject it in the 373 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:38.839 name of public safety and standing with police. Now, let 374 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:41.119 me be clear, ninety nine point nine percent of the 375 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:43.720 time the men and women in law enforcement do the 376 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.720 right thing. On that fraction of a percent. When they don't, 377 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:49.720 they'll face justice for it. They need to write and 378 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:54.119 their consequences. But qualified getting rid of qualified immunity is 379 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:55.279 a kooky idea. 380 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:58.160 I agree completely. It's tough enough getting police who are 381 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:02.079 getting citizens to consider into law enforcement these days, and 382 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:04.319 for someone out there screaming go well, if there's nothing wrong, 383 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:06.440 it was justifiable shooting, then there's no way that could 384 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:10.319 be found liable. There's a thing called legal expenses, and 385 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:12.680 having to lawyer up and pay that lawyer four or 386 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:16.839 five hundred dollars for every hour work is an insurmountable 387 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:18.759 challenge in and of itself. Most people can't afford that 388 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.440 kind of money, and to foist that upon law enforcement officers, 389 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:25.359 it's just going to be a horrific thing. So, Frank LeRose, 390 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:27.759 a comment on your run for state Auditor, just a 391 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:29.359 real brief before we part company this morning. 392 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:29.640 Yeah. 393 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:32.799 So the auditor has two job, catching crooks that engage 394 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:35.920 in public corruption. Anybody that would break the public trust 395 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:38.599 by taking tax dollars and put in their own pocket 396 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:41.039 needs to be in jail. That happens, unfortunately. I'll do 397 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:44.119 that as Auditor of state. The other thing is government efficiency. 398 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:47.079 The auditor can come into any of six thousand different 399 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:50.079 local and state government offices and find out if they're 400 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:51.480 running as smoothly as they should. 401 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:52.200