Speaker 1: Weird things happened in the back. Weird weird, weird.
Speaker 2: Welcome to our bloodshoe said, so Christmas queure, that's my
Speaker 2: sin of laugh.
Speaker 1: Let's get let's get one out of you, Alex. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's I'm good. Come on, man, don't be a chimp.
Speaker 1: I am the ghost of Christmas future. Yeah, for real, man,
Speaker 1: you're a little turd burglar Scrooge right now? What he's
Speaker 1: a scrooge symp. You are a Scrooge simp. I got
Speaker 1: a lot to say about Scrooge.
Speaker 3: Really well, you're really acting like one right now. So
Speaker 3: can we get a ho ho ver?
Speaker 1: What? I gotta save it? Save it for the big man,
Speaker 1: can't I'm not the big one, dude. Maybe maybe at
Speaker 1: the end I'm.
Speaker 2: A happy scrooge simp when he's been reformed by the spirits.
Speaker 1: It's like happy. I was telling Jenny last night we
Speaker 1: were watching the You're a post Christmas So maybe by
Speaker 1: the time of this, the time of the end of
Speaker 1: the episode, I'll be ready to say it.
Speaker 2: I hope they're not empty words as usual.
Speaker 1: I hope these aren't false promises like you typically deliver us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope you come all out with Christmas cheer
Speaker 2: and we celebrate here year after year.
Speaker 1: That's wrong, that's wrong.
Speaker 3: But right now, like just saying in terms of the
Speaker 3: energy in the room, you're scrooge. I'm just that's fine.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is, for some reason, there's only two hats. Dude.
Speaker 1: We caught these like two years ago. That's an plenty
Speaker 1: of time to get a third.
Speaker 2: See the effect that Green Boys has already had on
Speaker 2: this production. It's it's it's working.
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right, it is.
Speaker 2: I can't only think, you know, in terms of us anymore.
Speaker 3: You know what's funny. For a minute, I thought that
Speaker 3: we were recording Green Boys.
Speaker 1: It has been fun. Do you want to recap a
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Speaker 3: Before we get Yeah, absolutely, yeah that Wow. Look at
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Speaker 1: By the way, we.
Speaker 3: Didn't plan on this, but yeah, we just started doing
Speaker 3: a new show on Patreon called Green Boys, and it's
Speaker 3: just all goofs and gaps and laughs, like very lighthearted, silly,
Speaker 3: goofy time, and like we have seriously been happy, so
Speaker 3: much fun making that show. And I was just telling
Speaker 3: them before we started, like, why are you looking at
Speaker 3: me like that dog?
Speaker 1: Why are you looking at it? Why are you shooting
Speaker 1: those looks at me? Like you got That's what it is,
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Speaker 1: That sounds confusing.
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Speaker 1: So thank you for your support. Thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, and a merry Christmas. I'm the goost Christmas past,
Speaker 1: your past, I'm present. This is exactly how I imagine it too,
Speaker 1: me too, honestly.
Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, we're doing a Christmas Carrol episode. We
Speaker 3: all decided to watch the Jim Carrey two thousand and
Speaker 3: nine Christmas first week. It's so crazy to me that
Speaker 3: we all independently took the past, present and future ghosts
Speaker 3: and you said you're the past. I literally thought Ryan
Speaker 3: is definitely the past and Alex is definitely the future.
Speaker 1: Well, can we talk about how the past is literally
Speaker 1: a light being? Yeah? Oh, I didn't even think about that. Wait, wait,
Speaker 1: we got it. Let's keep it in order. I didn't
Speaker 1: even think about that though. That's that is the order.
Speaker 1: That is the order.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, like, like explain about like, but I
Speaker 3: have the same thought.
Speaker 1: If there's a gun, I'm on jump it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did not.
Speaker 2: You know, I have to say, all right, before we
Speaker 2: get into Christmas, Carol, I have to ask this.
Speaker 1: This is pressing.
Speaker 2: I have watched three Scrooge movies, and I think it's
Speaker 2: funny that last night we were all watching the Jim
Speaker 2: Carrey one at the same time, right, and none of
Speaker 2: us knew because we talked about this topic two or
Speaker 2: three weeks ago, you know, shout out Zeke by the
Speaker 2: way out.
Speaker 1: It was his idea. Love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like, bro, you gotta do an esoteric Christmas, Carol.
Speaker 2: And I don't know that it'll be necessarily esoteric. I
Speaker 2: mean maybe, but I was just like, you know, that
Speaker 2: would be a fun Christmas topic. So anyway, I've watched
Speaker 2: three Scrooge movies this year, just because we were doing
Speaker 2: this episode, and I have to say my favorite was
Speaker 2: the Muppets.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, yeah, what about y'all? My favorite of
Speaker 1: all time just that you've ever seen, doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be Christmas movie. No, no, Christmas Carol. I've only seen one.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so the Jim Carrey that's the only one
Speaker 1: you've ever seen. It's the only one that exists in
Speaker 1: my well, there are like fifty something. The Muppets one
Speaker 1: was fire, The Muppets.
Speaker 3: One is amazing, love the like the one with Huey
Speaker 3: doing and Louis like that.
Speaker 1: There is one Yeah, oh, Duck Mix Screwge. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I saw that when I was really little. Duck Yeah,
Speaker 2: Duck Mix Scrooge. I forgot about that one.
Speaker 1: I had that on the VHS. Yeah, I watched it
Speaker 1: growing up a lot. That was really awesome. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Muppet one is obviously but also sad. Yeah it really
Speaker 1: moves you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then like a couple of the live action
Speaker 3: ones are good. But I mean, honestly, yo, here's the thing.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen this Jim Carrey one that we all
Speaker 3: watched since I was a kid, and like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: Casey had never seen it.
Speaker 1: Uh, oh my god, is that movie not for kids?
Speaker 1: It was scary, yo, I was like tripping and there
Speaker 1: was a warning in the beginning. Yeah it was scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like scary and disturbing image.
Speaker 3: Dude, dude, it was like actually scary. And the reviews
Speaker 3: for it, I looked they were not good. But it's
Speaker 3: because all of the reviews were like, this movie is
Speaker 3: terrifying and it's not for kids or families. Amazing, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because it's like it's promoted as like a.
Speaker 1: The first children is is Dead Marley. Literally it opens
Speaker 1: on Dead Marley. The first thing you see.
Speaker 2: You know it's crazy though, is it's Disney, I know,
Speaker 2: like they had Yeah, it's just insane.
Speaker 3: Every now and then Disney will do something that's like shocking. Whoa,
Speaker 3: Yeah this was shocking.
Speaker 1: I was very impressed with it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did not remember most of the things that happened
Speaker 3: in this.
Speaker 1: Movie, but you're right. The movie literally opens on Oh
Speaker 1: I'm locked in, dude, I've I've got the whole movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is like for those of you who don't
Speaker 3: know a Christmas Carol, I mean it's like probably the
Speaker 3: most ubiquitous Christmas story of all written by Charles Dickens.
Speaker 2: You're yeah, yeah, I wanted to just acknowledge that that
Speaker 2: my middle name is Dickens, and actually I am a
Speaker 2: Dickens and Charles Dickens is not like a direct ancestor
Speaker 2: like a grandfather, but he's more like a great great
Speaker 2: great great great however far back it goes uncle. Yeah,
Speaker 2: my mother's maiden name is Dickens, and that's that's my
Speaker 2: other family, so it's it's very interesting. Also, something I
Speaker 2: realized a few months ago. I was like, wow, my
Speaker 2: my middle name and my last name are both authors Dickens.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's true.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I definitely got emotional watching these
Speaker 2: movies because I haven't watched a Christmas Carol movie ever
Speaker 2: since I was a kid. And when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: I was always ashamed of the Dickens name because I
Speaker 2: would get made fun of for it.
Speaker 1: Little kids.
Speaker 2: They're sure stupid sometimes, yeah course, and you know how
Speaker 2: kids are, what's your name and Dickens and yeah they
Speaker 2: make fun of you, right ye, So like as a child,
Speaker 2: I was embarrassed with the name, but obviously that's stupid
Speaker 2: now and I love my name.
Speaker 1: I love my mother's maid name. And all that.
Speaker 2: But I got really emotional watching these movies because it's
Speaker 2: my first time as an adult watching the Christmas Carol
Speaker 2: and it was just hitting me different, like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this this was my ancestor writing this story that I'm
Speaker 2: watching as a cartoon. Like it just it really moved me, man,
Speaker 2: it it had me really in a in a type
Speaker 2: of feel. So I appreciated this episode and the work
Speaker 2: to get That's why I watched three movies. I watched Muppets,
Speaker 2: the Jim Carrey, and then I watched the Bill Murray
Speaker 2: one Scrooged Oh from the eighties. Dude, Yeah, that one's
Speaker 2: good too.
Speaker 1: Got about that one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't seen that. That one's like a para.
Speaker 2: It's like, he's not Ebenezer. So the story is a
Speaker 2: rip of a Christmas Carol, but he's not Scrooge, but
Speaker 2: exactly the same thing happens, but the characters are all
Speaker 2: different names, and he's like a uh, he's like the
Speaker 2: president of a TV network and they're literally like in
Speaker 2: the movie, they're making a Christmas Carol production. So it's
Speaker 2: on the nose, but like it's happening to him.
Speaker 3: Gotcha, Okay, I haven't seen it in a while. No,
Speaker 3: it's been a long time, bro. It's it's funny.
Speaker 1: I definitely haven't seen it since I was a kid.
Speaker 1: It was like nineteen eighty eight. Wow, it was it good.
Speaker 1: I liked it. Damn.
Speaker 3: Before we dive really deep into the story, Uh, let's
Speaker 3: just take a quick little aside. Do you guys have
Speaker 3: a favorite like Christmas movie generally?
Speaker 1: Yes, I think I do.
Speaker 2: Now a Christmas Carol for you, I think so, yeah,
Speaker 2: just the story in general.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mine's this silent film out of uh London called
Speaker 1: The Snowman. Oh, I'd like to watch that, and it
Speaker 1: just every year I watch it and I cry because
Speaker 1: I would watch it as a kid with my aunt
Speaker 1: and uncle at their house, and uh yeah, it's all
Speaker 1: it is is piano and opera music. And it's about
Speaker 1: this snowman that comes to life. This kid it snows.
Speaker 1: He builds a snowman. He can't sleep, he looks outside.
Speaker 1: The Snowman's alive. They go on an adventure. They ride
Speaker 1: a motorcycle, they fly through the air. They meet up
Speaker 1: with other snowmen, have a party. They're all dressed differently
Speaker 1: from because they're from all other parts of the world
Speaker 1: and then they go back home, he goes to bed,
Speaker 1: he comes back out and Snowman melted. Whoa, oh spoiler.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask to watch it with you. It's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can see it coming for a mile. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: the movies. The movies forty five minutes and there's no words.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, if you want to throw the
Speaker 2: best ess Christmas party ever, which we are going to have, yeah,
Speaker 2: obviously the view. We're having a like a little teen
Speaker 2: Christmas party at Alex's place next week. Here's my rule, bro.
Speaker 2: I realized this Halloween where I went to one party
Speaker 2: that didn't have a movie and we were at both parties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I went to one party that didn't have a movie
Speaker 2: on Halloween Night with you guys, and it was a
Speaker 2: great party, nothing wrong with the party, but in my head,
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, every great Halloween party I've
Speaker 2: ever been to a.
Speaker 1: Movie on had a movie on.
Speaker 2: It was a great party, but I was like, I
Speaker 2: wish there was a movie on. And then the next
Speaker 2: night we went to another party and there was a
Speaker 2: movie on, and I was like, Bro, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I'm telling you, if you want to have a
Speaker 2: great Christmas party.
Speaker 1: Throw that movie on, dude. So we're hanging out, we're
Speaker 1: doing whatever, glance over look at this scene. Well forty
Speaker 1: five minutes and it's on YouTube. It's silent, that's true.
Speaker 1: So let me get an exact name.
Speaker 2: And yeah, dude, throw it on. I'd love to just
Speaker 2: kind of glance at it while we're chilling. And I
Speaker 2: like movies on at parties.
Speaker 1: It's fun. I like, I don't know if I have
Speaker 1: like a number one from nineteen eighty two, sorry to
Speaker 1: cut you off, that's okay. The Snowman nineteen eighty two. Oh,
Speaker 1: full movie. It's twenty five minutes, thirty nine seconds eighty two.
Speaker 1: To have that on, I expected it to be like
Speaker 1: an old like twenties. Yeah, like you know, like before
Speaker 1: there were like you know, movies with the speaking in it.
Speaker 3: Uh, but one of my I don't know if I
Speaker 3: have like a favorite favorite. I have a few favorites
Speaker 3: I have. This is what it is for me. I
Speaker 3: have like the Christmas movies that for some different reason
Speaker 3: I have like a special connection to it. I don't
Speaker 3: think I have one favorite above all, but like, uh.
Speaker 1: What's that? Does it jingle all the way the na Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. It's so dude, it's like on
Speaker 1: the list of worst Christmas movies. I know, I love it.
Speaker 1: Everyone's it's a good one. It's such a fun movie
Speaker 1: and like it hyped me up. I had it on VHS.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just related so much to the
Speaker 3: kid like wanting that one action figure so bad for Christmas,
Speaker 3: and then like his dad becomes that.
Speaker 1: Like it was just like it actually beats the villain. Yes, dude,
Speaker 1: that was a good one. I loved it when I
Speaker 1: was a kid.
Speaker 3: And then the one that's like literally always on in
Speaker 3: my parents' house no matter what, when we go as
Speaker 3: the Grinch.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's definitely on the lie, the Jim Carrey Grinch.
Speaker 1: It's like it's hard to have a favorite for sure.
Speaker 1: Growing up, Rudolph was one of my favorites. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: parents always had that one on. Yeah, Frosty the Snowman,
Speaker 1: obviously the Grinch, but definitely right now for me, it's Christmas, Carol.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Prancer? No, you never seen Prancer.
Speaker 1: That's a fantastic Christmas movie.
Speaker 3: It's it's like probably probably came out like the seventies
Speaker 3: or eighties, and my yeah, yeah, would have that movie.
Speaker 1: She would play that movie year round all the time.
Speaker 1: She loved that movie The Grinch. Yeah, but a specially
Speaker 1: around Christmas time. Oh, for Christmas is a good, so good?
Speaker 1: That might be top three. That's a Christmas movie, that
Speaker 1: is a Christmas not a Halloween movie. Christmas. Don't get
Speaker 1: it twisted for sure, at least to me. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I agree, and that's probably top three. Yeah, wow, that's
Speaker 1: a that's a sweet movie. But honestly, I'm answer, no
Speaker 1: night remember for Christmas?
Speaker 3: Oh but what about France? Prancer has a very like
Speaker 3: just special place in my heart. It's basically like Prancer
Speaker 3: the reindeer gets disconnected from the sleigh and like falls
Speaker 3: like crashes like a star down into this family's like stable,
Speaker 3: and then they have to like nurse him back to
Speaker 3: health and raise him, and they like fall in love
Speaker 3: with him and all this stuff, and then he goes
Speaker 3: back the next year to be with Santa.
Speaker 1: It's like just a really sweet like it's a reindeer
Speaker 1: student exchange.
Speaker 3: Program kind of. And I could also be getting the
Speaker 3: prim is completely wrong.
Speaker 1: Hang on, let me see. I want to see he's
Speaker 1: in Vietnam with like war paint on. He's like, find
Speaker 1: out that that is a Christmas movie. I could get behind.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's another one that came on as a kid that
Speaker 2: just always irritated the crap.
Speaker 1: Out of me. Apocalypse Now, No, I've never seen that.
Speaker 1: What is that a Christmas movie? No, it's a Vietnam movie.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Yeah, there was this movie that came on
Speaker 2: TV all the time that irritated me. Grandma got run
Speaker 2: over by all yeah, over and over and I was
Speaker 2: so sick of it.
Speaker 1: By the way, that was the premise. Okay, let me
Speaker 1: see a picture of Pranceville. Yeah. Is it like a
Speaker 1: real reindeer? Yeah? Yeah, this is the this is the movie.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And it's actually a real deer in
Speaker 1: the movie. Yeah, it's not like CGI or anything. Watch that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to watch that.
Speaker 3: It's basically this little girl is like she's like walking
Speaker 3: around in the woods and she's like this is it's
Speaker 3: like a very She's like seven or eight ish, so
Speaker 3: she's like starting to not believe in Santa Claus a
Speaker 3: little like starting to question if Santa Claus exists, and
Speaker 3: then she finds him in the woods. That's what it is.
Speaker 3: She finds him like hurt in the woods, and she's like,
Speaker 3: it's Prancer. It's Prancer, And she's telling the hose.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She she just believes it's pranc Er.
Speaker 3: She's telling the whole town it's pranc Or, it's Prancer,
Speaker 3: and and they're all like, it's just a deer.
Speaker 1: It's just like a regular deer or whatever.
Speaker 3: But then she keeps telling yeah, and then like turns
Speaker 3: out it's actually Prancer. Like Santa shows up on Christmas
Speaker 3: and was like, give me my deer back, and it
Speaker 3: was actually Prancer.
Speaker 1: Boilers. It's a great you know what. Growing up, I
Speaker 1: also loved the Santa Claus Wanted too. Oh how can
Speaker 1: I forget about?
Speaker 2: That's legendary status right there, the first one especially, Yeah,
Speaker 2: legendary status.
Speaker 1: Bro, have you seen any of these? I mean maybe
Speaker 1: I don't really remember the titles, you know, the Santa
Speaker 1: Claus with Tim Allen, Yeah, a long time ago. I
Speaker 1: really don't care for Christmas movies. Yeah, but like here's
Speaker 1: the deal.
Speaker 2: At our age, we're gonna start having kids, and kids
Speaker 2: like having the movies on. Those are the movies you
Speaker 2: put on and you watch with the kids.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, Olivia's got that unlock. Dude, she loves it.
Speaker 1: I just can't. Santa Claus is fired, dude, Santa Claus he.
Speaker 2: Dies to Mallan falls off his roof hanging Christmas lights
Speaker 2: and he dies and he no no, no, no, even worse,
Speaker 2: Santa kill Yeah, he kills Sanna.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One, so he becomes Santa. He has to become.
Speaker 3: There's literally like the Elves show up with a contract
Speaker 3: and they're like, whatever kills him has to becoming.
Speaker 2: You're saying, you're saying, now sorry. He starts transforming. He's
Speaker 2: just getting fast, he's getting hit. That's kind of a
Speaker 2: horror film. Damn, it's been a long time.
Speaker 1: I saw that. It's a good one. Ship Santa Claus.
Speaker 2: And his kid has a hard time believing, remember, but
Speaker 2: then in the second one, he's like the kid becomes
Speaker 2: like an Elf. Yeah, and he's like convincing everybody else
Speaker 2: to believe in.
Speaker 1: Seeing is.
Speaker 3: Isn't it the kid from No No, No, no, no no,
Speaker 3: it's not the kid. I think one of the later movies,
Speaker 3: because there's like three or four of the movies, one
Speaker 3: of the later has the kid from Elf in it.
Speaker 3: You've obviously seen Elf.
Speaker 1: Alex yea yeah, overplayed. It's a good movie. No, it's
Speaker 1: a good one. I don't know that I've ever seen
Speaker 1: Alex so unhappy. You know, you really are fully enveloping,
Speaker 1: like you are screwed. You're a down vibright now. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I've told you what I am. You're screwed on Christmas
Speaker 1: yet to come. No, you're scrooge whatever, dude, he's screwedge.
Speaker 3: Right now, we're sitting here like reminiscing everything we love
Speaker 3: about Chris and then yeah, we're like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you seen that? He's like, yeah, it's overplayed.
Speaker 1: It sucks, dude, No, it's just overplayed. Are you all over?
Speaker 1: Let's let's be candid.
Speaker 2: Are you still upset that I didn't buy you a hat? No,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna buy you a hat, man, No, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get you It's a new way of thinking that I
Speaker 2: used to also buying you hats. I'll buy you a
Speaker 2: hat for green boys.
Speaker 1: You know that's my father's first words to me in life.
Speaker 2: So it should make you happy hearing that. Have some
Speaker 2: kind of response to that, Yeah, straighten up, it's just
Speaker 2: a hat, man, It ain't a big deal. Just funny ads, bro,
Speaker 2: that's all I got, and I can get a third.
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. Okay, you don't want to help,
Speaker 1: you just want to wear a hat. So do you
Speaker 1: have any fond, warm memories about Christmas? I'd love to
Speaker 1: awaken some like good will within you, you.
Speaker 2: Know, perchance, is there a story that you have me
Speaker 2: Christmas cheer? You might be willinda share a crumble kind
Speaker 2: of dark and gloomy.
Speaker 1: Dude, he's wearing black.
Speaker 3: There's no colorful pretty lights over there, Like it's like
Speaker 3: it's scary in that corner.
Speaker 1: Don't even like looking over there right now. I want
Speaker 1: to stay over here where we are and we're all
Speaker 1: bright and color.
Speaker 2: Look at your shirt, your shirt, you're green red. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're like saying, on a summer vacation exactly in the Bahamas.
Speaker 2: I'm Sanna's nephew. He's in college. Yeah, he's in a
Speaker 2: mystery school. Yeah, in college to eventually become Sating. He's
Speaker 2: getting his doctorate in Santa Yeah, Alex is the Reaper.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me hear you say some cheers, some warm
Speaker 1: memory cheers. Who I'm trying to think of? So, man,
Speaker 1: I mean I generally have a pretty good Christmas every year,
Speaker 1: but I'm really into Thanksgiving and it really makes me
Speaker 1: mad when people jump to straight to Christmas without respecting Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: I'm being serious, I'm being serious.
Speaker 3: You know it's like less than two weeks till Christmas, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know Thanksgiving was like two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. I'm just mad.
Speaker 1: I just really think. I just I'm gonna be one
Speaker 1: hundred percent ok that Thanksgiving is what Christmas wants to
Speaker 1: be about. Huh. There's no gift exchange? What at Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1: You are just purely there for for the connection and
Speaker 1: being around these people that you want to be around.
Speaker 1: And that's what Christmas gaslights everybody into thinking, Oh, Christmas
Speaker 1: is about spending time with your family. Okay, well we
Speaker 1: just had Thanksgiving, and now you're gonna throw some gifts
Speaker 1: into the mix, be like, oh now you got to
Speaker 1: buy somebody something to prove how much you like them.
Speaker 1: But just two weeks ago, you were hanging out with
Speaker 1: him just for fun. Everybody, I mean too. You know
Speaker 1: what this tells me?
Speaker 2: Man, he didn't pay attention when we recorded the Spirit
Speaker 2: of Christmas anything.
Speaker 1: We talked all about it.
Speaker 2: Lets plug the Spirit of Christmas episode where we talked
Speaker 2: about the esoteric origin.
Speaker 1: I just want to be perfectly about christ all I
Speaker 1: understand that, and I am. I am bashing modern day Christmas,
Speaker 1: not what Christmas should be about.
Speaker 2: Well, I bashed modern day Thanksgiving. Don't just hit back
Speaker 2: at me for the sake of hitting back at me.
Speaker 1: It was so powerful anyway. Let me think of something
Speaker 1: really was so powerful. It's a Christmas spirit.
Speaker 2: Was You're not going to trash talk my favoritelity, dude.
Speaker 1: I was just. I was just. I was a terrible kid.
Speaker 1: I was getting I was really into like trying to
Speaker 1: find where everything was hidden he Scrooge man and uh.
Speaker 1: But I really loved waking up before everybody, Like I
Speaker 1: remember Christmas as a kid, and I would wake up
Speaker 1: before everybody. I'm talking three four in the morning probably
Speaker 1: right right, you know. I'd the shift was changing and
Speaker 1: I would go in there see everything, the trees on,
Speaker 1: everything else was dark, all this wrapping paper underneath, all
Speaker 1: these boxes of different shapes. And then I'd go to
Speaker 1: sleep there on the couch and I wouldn't sleep. I
Speaker 1: just lay there on the couch and just watch it
Speaker 1: until the morning time. And then I remember my great aunt.
Speaker 1: My great aunt lived like a block away and my
Speaker 1: mom was one of the videotape moms where everything had
Speaker 1: to be on camera. Oh yeah, and then we couldn't
Speaker 1: start until my great aunt came over. But she's like
Speaker 1: in her eighties and no one, no one wants to
Speaker 1: call her and rush her. Yea, We're just sitting there
Speaker 1: like waiting waiting for her to come over to enjoy it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that was you.
Speaker 3: Know, bro, I would wake the whole family up. I
Speaker 3: was the one with pots and pans at six am.
Speaker 3: Get the fuck up, it's Christmas's go sand I brought
Speaker 3: some shake, Come.
Speaker 1: On, I got beat if I did that.
Speaker 2: I notoriously had trouble sleeping the.
Speaker 1: Night before Christmas, Oh for sure. So there was one year.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably okay to talk about this now
Speaker 2: because it was like twenty five or six years ago.
Speaker 1: It's probably had enough time.
Speaker 2: I was about six years old at this point, maybe
Speaker 2: seven or eight, and I always as a kid had
Speaker 2: trouble sleeping, right, So there was one night on Christmas
Speaker 2: Eve that I really had trouble sleeping. So my dad
Speaker 2: gave me half an ambion. I screamed in terror all night.
Speaker 1: As Oh no, ants.
Speaker 2: Were thousands of ants were coming out of the ceiling.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck screaming, Oh no, dude. And then the next.
Speaker 2: Day, Christmas morning, I was telling all my aunts and
Speaker 2: uncles about the ants coming out of the ceiling, and my.
Speaker 1: Parents are like.
Speaker 2: They felt bad. They're like, maybe we shouldn't have given
Speaker 2: him the ambien. They broke it in half, you know.
Speaker 2: They're like they didn't want to, you know, to think
Speaker 2: that they had done something wrong.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's so funny. No, that's what That's what southern
Speaker 1: parents do. My dad did stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Too, like give you half an Like when he gave
Speaker 3: me half the Uh, what was it?
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't ambient. It was I didn't have the.
Speaker 3: Viking in when I was was getting on a plane.
Speaker 3: You gave you a Viking in half one and he
Speaker 3: didn't tell me what it was either.
Speaker 1: Dude. That's crazy. The only time I've ever been I
Speaker 1: could have been addicted to that. Maybe. Uh.
Speaker 3: The only time I ever went on a plane was
Speaker 3: when I was eighteen and we were going to New
Speaker 3: York for my like that was my graduation trip or whatever,
Speaker 3: and I got on the plane, I got really sick
Speaker 3: on the first flight, and then there was a connecting
Speaker 3: flight Viking. Yeah, we were we were we were running
Speaker 3: through the airport to catch our connecting flight, and I
Speaker 3: was freaking out, like panicking, like, well, if I can
Speaker 3: do I just threw it because I threw up on
Speaker 3: the first on the first flight, and then we're running
Speaker 3: to try to catch our connecting flight.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I don't know if I can
Speaker 1: do it. I'm freaking out.
Speaker 3: And my dad he just goes, put this under your
Speaker 3: tongue and and I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what he.
Speaker 3: Was doing, so I just like, uh, he put it
Speaker 3: under my tongue, and then we by the time we
Speaker 3: got to the seats to like sit down and wait
Speaker 3: to be to get on the plane, I was like
Speaker 3: like zalked. And then apparently I almost got us kicked
Speaker 3: off the plane because I was talking about guns or.
Speaker 1: Something and my dad gave me a try acting one time.
Speaker 1: What's that tray acting like a man? Wow.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to spoil it, but I knew that
Speaker 2: one which one try acting?
Speaker 1: No? Yeah, great, No, that's that's crazy wild his hard stuff.
Speaker 3: Man, I don't know, dude, that's like, you know, my
Speaker 3: dad has like my dad has like prescribed Arthur.
Speaker 1: It is like he's he's major pain. So yeah, he's
Speaker 1: always that's a that's obviously for him to prescribed it.
Speaker 1: That's that's the kind of stuff they sell on the street. Man,
Speaker 1: that's pills. I mean, that's the only time.
Speaker 2: But I was that's so funny, and you know what,
Speaker 2: bless you for not getting addicted like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like half a one, and I mean
Speaker 3: it just really honestly put me to sleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just like fell asleep and the woke back
Speaker 1: up and we were in New York. That's a step
Speaker 1: up from percocet. Do y'all remember the whole Tiger Woods thing,
Speaker 1: Like Tiger Woods is on the first time when I
Speaker 1: was young, the first Woods thing, thet time, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Anyway, he's on. They were like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's addicted to pain pills.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: He came out and said something. And my whole childhood, dude,
Speaker 1: I thought I thought being addicted to pain pills was
Speaker 1: like popping advil like eminem. Yeah, I had no concept.
Speaker 2: Of I've taken lots of pain pills in my life
Speaker 2: because I've broken lots of and I am very thankful
Speaker 2: I never got addicted. I actually hated it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And there was one time in the in the twelfth
Speaker 2: grade when I broke my arm really bad. The time
Speaker 2: that I was long board and I had surgery. I
Speaker 2: was on pain pills for sheesh, like maybe like five.
Speaker 1: Or six weeks, damn, maybe maybe like three or four.
Speaker 2: And it just went by in a blur like it's
Speaker 2: just like I've never had was on the other side
Speaker 2: of it, Like it just makes your time distorted, and
Speaker 2: that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's talk on Christmas Carol. Yes, Christmas Carol, Christmas?
Speaker 1: All right? Are we gonna lock in on Jim Carrey?
Speaker 3: Are we talking about like you can talk about it broadly,
Speaker 3: but then we can Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm locked in, I'm gonna be honest. All right.
Speaker 3: We'll go ahead and give us like the how does
Speaker 3: how does a Christmas Carol?
Speaker 1: Began? Alex dead Marley, who's Marley the business associate of
Speaker 1: Scrooge Beezer Beezer and Marley Scrooge and Marley. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's funny because the sign is big Scrooge and the
Speaker 1: EM's falling off. He died seven years ago to night.
Speaker 1: So they are like, uh, they're a money maker, they're
Speaker 1: money lender. Yeah, OK, so they're they're lenders. So basically
Speaker 1: they create, they create money out of nothing because never mind.
Speaker 1: So its leads you to believe because he gets visited
Speaker 1: by these people who are asking for Christmas donations. And
Speaker 1: this is where you start to see the really ugly
Speaker 1: side of Scrooge if you didn't already see the ugly
Speaker 1: side by his little assistant, mister Bob Cratchett, which is
Speaker 1: Gary Altman. Also Bob crash It is the man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, the crash It are my favorite. Bob Cratchit
Speaker 1: is dope, especially Tim the Goat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so emotional every time, tiny Tim Man he moves me.
Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't yep, what you didn't want?
Speaker 1: No, just shit, I didn't. I'm not like, oh, poor
Speaker 1: poor animated boy, you're heartless when it comes to Christmas.
Speaker 2: You know what, his uncle didn't write it, so you know,
Speaker 2: I just I just I'm just thinking about old mister
Speaker 2: Dickens all these years ago, thinking about my litteral ancestor
Speaker 2: writing the ship. I'm like, dang, dude, this is I'm
Speaker 2: just thinking in his perspective, like this guy changed the
Speaker 2: world with this story.
Speaker 1: It moves me. You know, my sister's middle name is Carol.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know that. Yes, yes, I'm just saying, all right, cool, Okay,
Speaker 1: So what happens. You're led to believe that Marley was
Speaker 1: a little bit more charitable because they come in asking
Speaker 1: for these donations and Scrooge is basically like, get bent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were like, Marley said that he would give
Speaker 3: us some sort of contribution, and he's like, Marley's dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, been dead for seven years, dude, where you've been at? Wait? Oh,
Speaker 1: you know what's crazy. I understand the frustration for getting solicited,
Speaker 1: you know, sure, yeah, yeah, sure, But Scrooge is like
Speaker 1: the definition of mega mega mega cheap.
Speaker 3: He took the coins off Marley's eyes when he was
Speaker 3: in his cat, put him in his casket. You know,
Speaker 3: they used to put coins on people's eyes as like
Speaker 3: some kind.
Speaker 1: Of to pay the robo. Right, the ferryman, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: talked about that. What's his name then, yeah, the row
Speaker 1: and Greek is k h A yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Kiron's the centaur. Yes, he took the coins off the dude,
Speaker 3: that's how cheap he is.
Speaker 1: Then what he says is Tubbs Tubbs. Yeah, Tubbens is Toughens, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're dealing with like the ultimate materialist kind
Speaker 3: of wad. Yeah, mega tight wad, like the only thing
Speaker 3: that's important in life is money kind of guy. Like
Speaker 3: obviously everybody out there knows the story, but that who
Speaker 3: we're dealing with.
Speaker 1: So you got titwa McDuck ultra materialism, right, But it's
Speaker 1: weird because it's not. It's not ultra materialism in the
Speaker 1: sense of buying materialistic things. It's like buying is off
Speaker 1: the table though, it's only making and only saving. He
Speaker 1: has a very nice house. He has very like you
Speaker 1: don't see him wear outfits. You don't in his house.
Speaker 1: He has one chair, one table, and he's eating porridge there.
Speaker 1: Like he's not. He's not somebody of what is it
Speaker 1: opulence or ravishness. It's saving the money tight like holding
Speaker 1: the money.
Speaker 3: If you think about it, is like the sickest form
Speaker 3: of that, because it's one thing to like want and
Speaker 3: be like obsessed with getting a bunch of money and
Speaker 3: then spending it all on a bunch of whatever expensive stuff.
Speaker 3: But like imagine you're like a dragon like hoarding money
Speaker 3: and just sitting on it doing nothing.
Speaker 1: You're so obsessed with it that you can't deal with
Speaker 1: letting go of a coin. But it's his money, is
Speaker 1: the what's making him money? Yeah? Sure, so sure. But
Speaker 1: like the thought of leaving coins on his dead friend's eyes,
Speaker 1: like two little, tiny little coins. See, And that's interesting,
Speaker 1: that's too much.
Speaker 2: It's it's such an interesting take.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, Like, you know, I think about
Speaker 1: I think about my necklaces that I wear and don't
Speaker 1: take off. Yeah, and I and sometimes I'll think about
Speaker 1: do I want to be buried with these? I don't
Speaker 1: what's the point? Yeah, I would rather give them to
Speaker 1: somebody that I care about while I'm still here. So
Speaker 1: it's like, is it necessarily It's like, okay, it frames
Speaker 1: it up perfectly. He's a tight wad ye like the
Speaker 1: as far as the movie's concerned, it's perfect. But as
Speaker 1: far as like the moral compass of what the actions
Speaker 1: that he's doing, it's not wrong. It just feels wrong. No, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: sure he's not like it's like disrespectful, but it's not wrong.
Speaker 3: It's just like a filthy person. Like it's just like
Speaker 3: the type of person that you see him, and you're
Speaker 3: just like Oh yeah, but he's not like it's it's
Speaker 3: it's not it's writing a weird line where it's such
Speaker 3: a weird line. He's not necessarily doing anything evil, but
Speaker 3: he is just like so extremely selfish and uncharitable to
Speaker 3: others that it just makes you sick.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking that there's three places you can be in, right,
Speaker 1: and one is being a good person, and then the
Speaker 1: others being a bad person and doing bad things. But
Speaker 1: he's he's he is just not a good person. So
Speaker 1: if you're the most extreme version of you're not, he's
Speaker 1: a bad person. He is bad. Okay, that's true. I
Speaker 1: mean he he's truly bad.
Speaker 3: He did straight up say like like that. Dude said
Speaker 3: something like yeah, he.
Speaker 1: Said, is their prisons. Send them to the prisons and
Speaker 1: the nuthouses and and this and that and good.
Speaker 2: And they'll catch he says, I'm like, they'll catch playing
Speaker 2: and die good. We'll kill off the surplus population.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, And so we get here, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so he's he was evil he's at that point, no, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And and I'm glad you brought this up because he's
Speaker 1: anti human. Yeah, yes, his anti life. He is anti
Speaker 1: human at this point, he's humanity. He's anti like people
Speaker 1: getting together to just for one day be happy and
Speaker 1: celebrate and be grateful, even if poor. His nephews like, uncle,
Speaker 1: come have Christmas dinner with us. He's like, why you're
Speaker 1: you're too poor to celebrate this? You have nothing? Why
Speaker 1: would you be grateful? It was it was that, and
Speaker 1: it was you don't make money. Yeah, it was like,
Speaker 1: why are you going to what are you going to
Speaker 1: stand around and do nothing and not make any money? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like for a night. He couldn't deal with the thought
Speaker 1: of people doing that for one night, not making money.
Speaker 1: So he's it's such an interesting spot to be in, right,
Speaker 1: it's this weird like because he's not he's not. He
Speaker 1: didn't kill Marley, right, you know, but right, he's anti human.
Speaker 1: So you have this anti humanistic figure. And this keeps
Speaker 1: popping up because his nephew that you brought up made
Speaker 1: this comment, which was, can you not just celebrate the
Speaker 1: day with the fellow travelers to the grave? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: for one day everything disappears and we all become humans
Speaker 1: because we're all just travelers to the grave. The same
Speaker 1: repeating theme, And this is why I've chosen my character
Speaker 1: for this episode, because this character ghost of Christmas Yet
Speaker 1: to Come, brings his theme all the way back full
Speaker 1: circle in the end. But we're not there yet.
Speaker 2: Bro, Please promise me the next year or the year after,
Speaker 2: you'll you'll watch the Muppets one.
Speaker 1: I just want you to. Just I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: make that promise in good conscious. Well you're not a
Speaker 1: good friend. I'm just kidding, man, But it's it's really good, man.
Speaker 1: I just it's escalated so quick. He said, it's so soft,
Speaker 1: and it was so harsh. Well, you're not a good friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he officiated my wedding. But we please stop. I didn't
Speaker 1: watch the Muppets. Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 3: You're not a good friend, like whoa Seriously though, man, seriously, though,
Speaker 3: you're not a good friend.
Speaker 1: You're a toast. Okay, And so then he's a piece
Speaker 1: of shit. He's the worst.
Speaker 3: He's the worst, and he doesn't like Christmas and everybody honestly,
Speaker 3: even though he's being rude to everybody like they feel
Speaker 3: bad for him, everybody else feels bad for him.
Speaker 1: He sucks the life out of every situation. He is
Speaker 1: a part of going home. Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: That everybody feels bad for him.
Speaker 3: Everyone feels bad for you, and he is trying, like
Speaker 3: actively trying to make others feel bad for themselves, but
Speaker 3: it just makes them feel bad for him, even like
Speaker 3: his one single employee, Bob Cratchit is it cratch It
Speaker 3: is like like dirt poor. Yeah, he's dirt poor, and
Speaker 3: he lives in a house with like a bunch of
Speaker 3: people and his kids, and he doesn't make enough money
Speaker 3: and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: He's very poor.
Speaker 3: And even he, by the way, just got yelled at
Speaker 3: by Scrooge for wanting Christmas off the one day. He like,
Speaker 3: you want the whole day. He's like, you really want.
Speaker 1: The whole day? I suppose you want the whole day
Speaker 1: so you can pick my pockets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And he's like, yeah, like the day off.
Speaker 3: Like even him, he was like, you know, I feel
Speaker 3: bad for that old fucker, Like toast to his health.
Speaker 3: His nephew was like, ah, we feel bad for him.
Speaker 1: To said the sponsor of our meal toast. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so it's like, even though he's so miserable and
Speaker 3: terrible to people, they just feel bad for him. Yes,
Speaker 3: But so everybody, you know, whatever, he's the worst and
Speaker 3: then basically I think it was just it was December
Speaker 3: twenty fourth, Christmas Eve, Right, he gets visited by a ghost.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's so scary immediately, it's as soon
Speaker 3: as it gets to the ghost.
Speaker 1: Stuff, it's like. So it starts at as doorknocker. Yes,
Speaker 1: Marley is in ghost form on his door knocker. Total haunted,
Speaker 1: MANSI vibes. Then he writes that off goes inside. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then sitting in his very very poor, very very nice
Speaker 1: house with nothing in it. The lights are off, there's
Speaker 1: no one home. Yeah, it's a big empty house. He's
Speaker 1: eating porridge in his old but amas in his old
Speaker 1: room with his old stuff. And here comes Marley dragging
Speaker 1: his chains and his weights. And this is very important.
Speaker 1: This is very important because of something that gets said
Speaker 1: in the end. But Marley is the exact opposite of
Speaker 1: what gets sent in the end. He's chained up and
Speaker 1: has to haul around all of the bad doings he
Speaker 1: did in life, and he can never stop. So who
Speaker 1: does that remind you of a little bit? Nick sisifis
Speaker 1: it does, that's a good point. Cursed for eternity having
Speaker 1: to drag around his chains. And then he looks at
Speaker 1: Scrooge and says, your chains are much longer even now
Speaker 1: you ain't even dead yet, son, and you got more
Speaker 1: chains than this. Four chains. Oh dude.
Speaker 3: It was crazy too, like just seeing him seeing the weights,
Speaker 3: like he throws the weights in through the window and
Speaker 3: like the chains and all that stuff. And then at
Speaker 3: one point he like yells and his jaw breaks and
Speaker 3: it like splits his face.
Speaker 1: Like splits open, which I think has something to do
Speaker 1: with how he died. It was so disturbing, like I
Speaker 1: think he I think right, because his head was wrapped
Speaker 1: and his head was wrapped and then his jaw fell open,
Speaker 1: so he he died of something having to do with
Speaker 1: the jaw or the face. That is really interested that damn. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his his freaking jaw like unhinges like a snake. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, when this movie started scary.
Speaker 2: Initially, I was kind of like put off by the
Speaker 2: older animation style, Like Jenny kept saying, is this from
Speaker 2: the people that did Polar Express. It's like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: and the.
Speaker 1: Polar Express is worse, way worse animation. I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: it in a long time.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's horrible, And it like at first in the
Speaker 2: Scrooge Movie. I was a little like kind of in
Speaker 2: shock because of the animation we have Now. I was like, dang,
Speaker 2: this really doesn't look that good. But but once you
Speaker 2: start getting to the ghosts and stuff, it really ramps
Speaker 2: it up, and I was really impressed with all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Like it it ended up being super trippy. I was saying,
Speaker 2: super crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was saying throughout most of the movie, like
Speaker 3: it's weird, Like one scene would look so amazing, like incredible,
Speaker 3: it would look like real, and then the next scene
Speaker 3: would be like very.
Speaker 1: Not dated, very dated. So it was weird. It was
Speaker 1: like scene by scene the movie was like evolving. It
Speaker 1: was just jarring. The whole movie itself is jarring.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like it almost does have a horror
Speaker 2: vibe a little.
Speaker 1: Bit like I have to feel like it was its
Speaker 1: own purpose. Yeah, I think so too. I mean it
Speaker 1: is Disney bro like, yeah, it it is like a
Speaker 1: horror movie. Do you think that maybe that they were
Speaker 1: playing with the past, present future themes throughout the animation.
Speaker 2: I don't know that's good because like think about like
Speaker 2: when the ghosts are present, the crazy animation like Ghost
Speaker 2: of Christmas Present. I know, I jumped a little ahead.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna talk about you know, the nature of it.
Speaker 2: When the floors ripped open and the world is like
Speaker 2: turning on its side, I was.
Speaker 1: Like, dude, whoa, this is kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: It is very trippy, like the way this movie plays
Speaker 3: with perspective.
Speaker 1: Yes, nuts perspective. Oh, it's so cral crazy because at
Speaker 1: one point with the ghost of Christmas Hity to Come,
Speaker 1: he shrinks down to the size of a mouse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think that has to do with that particular ghost.
Speaker 1: So anyway, what I thought was really interesting about Marley's
Speaker 1: presence is the chair is in one part of the
Speaker 1: room and when he throws his weights, the chair begins
Speaker 1: to move around. And when he leaves right like, he
Speaker 1: spins the chair, and then on his way out, the
Speaker 1: chair moved. It gets caught and moved.
Speaker 2: Actually, if you look, I'm pretty sure it pulled him
Speaker 2: on a ghost chair.
Speaker 1: It did. That's what the chair sat still. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a ghost. I don't think so it is.
Speaker 2: It was a ghost, a ghost chair off the chair
Speaker 2: and it had a like imagine the chair had a ghost.
Speaker 2: He was pulled the chair stage still, and he was
Speaker 2: pulled on a ghost version of the chair.
Speaker 1: True, okay, because I was going to say that when
Speaker 1: he left, Marley left and the chair spun it went
Speaker 1: back to exactly where it was once because it was okay,
Speaker 1: so that makes sense. And then that was a theme
Speaker 1: that kept happening with every visit is everything would get
Speaker 1: put back right. So it's like, is this all in
Speaker 1: his head? Did this really happen? That happens over and over, right,
Speaker 1: So Marley visits him, tells him he's going to be
Speaker 1: visited by three ghosts. But he did say over the
Speaker 1: next three days, right he did? He did? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And then well three was it three days? Because wasn't
Speaker 3: it Christmas Eve that this happened.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, he said it was going to be over
Speaker 1: the next three days. He snaps back to that's right,
Speaker 1: he does. He does. So then the ghost of Christmas
Speaker 1: Past shows up. Dude, Okay, that was kind of scary.
Speaker 1: It was very scary and uncanny, the voice and the voice,
Speaker 1: the whisper Jim Carrey's face inside of a candle, like
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the face is changing. I was literally said
Speaker 2: out loud. It was me and Jenny were making a blanket.
Speaker 2: You know how we have those tied blankets and we
Speaker 2: were making one to watching the movie and I looked
Speaker 2: up and I saw the candle's face changing and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, dude, it was scream Yeah. Yeah, you don't have
Speaker 1: your headphones on? No, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 2: I kept thinking it reminded me of Harry Potter, like
Speaker 2: the parcel tongue. They're doing the out like whisper speech.
Speaker 1: Yeah, spooky.
Speaker 3: So basically, the Ghost of Christmas Past shows Scrooge pretty
Speaker 3: much like why he hates Christmas like shows him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just we unraveled the trauma. Yeah, from the past,
Speaker 1: the trauma he has related to Ye so isolated as
Speaker 1: a kid. Yeah, it's a light being. It is literally
Speaker 1: made of light. Yeah. What I thought was really funny
Speaker 1: is Scrooge, Okay, you just got visited by a ghost.
Speaker 1: Now you're getting visited by what the ghost told you
Speaker 1: you were going to get visited by. And then he's like,
Speaker 1: can you just turn it down too bright? Like he's
Speaker 1: just trying to control the situation. So still, it's really
Speaker 1: interesting and it never ends. And what did it say?
Speaker 1: The Ghost of Christmas Past said something to the effect of,
Speaker 1: with your mortal hands, you would dim my light. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and He's like, no, no, no, that's not what I meant
Speaker 1: humorously because it is a little comedy esque too, But
Speaker 1: yeah it is. It was funny part, yeah it is,
Speaker 1: and it was so weird that like the little light
Speaker 1: being but yeah, it like shows him his trauma related
Speaker 1: to his past and Christmas and why he's all mean
Speaker 1: and whatever. His lost love, his lost love, he had
Speaker 1: a love.
Speaker 2: He was like, I don't know if he was engaged
Speaker 2: or they kept saying they had a comment pour together,
Speaker 2: yeah got married. Well they weren't married. I don't think
Speaker 2: they were.
Speaker 1: I think they were married. I think that's what the
Speaker 1: kind of it just said contract. It just kept he said.
Speaker 1: I think that was speak for. That was the marriage track.
Speaker 1: I I do think so just going with the age,
Speaker 1: the time that had passed and that version and in
Speaker 1: the Muppets version, which you might think that's funny, but
Speaker 1: actually word for word, a lot of this version was
Speaker 1: the same as the Muppets version. So I have a
Speaker 1: feeling they're both just pulling from the book. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was never like an express mention of marriage.
Speaker 2: So I had this suspicion that they just never got married.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I feel like.
Speaker 3: They were like going to be married or maybe they
Speaker 3: got engaged. That's maybe what the contract was. But I
Speaker 3: tell you one thing. She delivered the fiercest breakup line
Speaker 3: of all.
Speaker 1: Times in this movie. She said, I release you. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what? You know what shot me? Bro?
Speaker 2: In the movie, he literally sprints over to her and
Speaker 2: grabs her arm and yanks her and says, did I
Speaker 2: say I want to be released?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah I was. I was like he was yelling at.
Speaker 2: Her, abusive, grabbed her and yanked her. He's like, did
Speaker 2: I say that?
Speaker 1: And it's to show you that, like his obsession with
Speaker 1: money has changed him. Yeah. He was so.
Speaker 3: Gentle and like loved her before, and you know they
Speaker 3: danced together and everything, and then now he's banging the table.
Speaker 2: And replaced her as I yea he did. He banged
Speaker 2: the table, didn't he. The more we're talking about this movie,
Speaker 2: the more I realize actually how good it was.
Speaker 1: It was actually like like it was. It was because
Speaker 1: I just watched three Scrooge movies. I had a spinning dude,
Speaker 1: but was good. It looked a little like, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: but it was. It was really better than I remembered
Speaker 1: it was. And this was I think one of the
Speaker 1: only times when he was with one of the ghosts
Speaker 1: where he could not bear it. Yeah, this and then
Speaker 1: one other time, but this was even like this was
Speaker 1: his greatest regret in life. Yeah, he was enjoying watching
Speaker 1: all the other memories, Like even when he was watching
Speaker 1: himself be alone as a child, it.
Speaker 2: Was like, those are my friends. I remember them, this
Speaker 2: was my school. And the spirit was like, could you
Speaker 2: do something like do you know where you are? Do
Speaker 2: you know how to get there? So there's one look
Speaker 2: like I could do it blindfold?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, part and he's enjoying watching his uh his what's
Speaker 2: an apprenticeship Fezziwigs, which fun fact in the Muppets version,
Speaker 2: it's Fozzy Wigs. His Fozzy Bear is the boss. I
Speaker 2: thought that was hilarious, dude. But he's he like enjoyed
Speaker 2: watching his mentorship. He enjoyed that's where he fell in love, right,
Speaker 2: and he enjoyed all Christmas party uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 2: And then she comes around and he literally was like,
Speaker 2: I can't bear this anymore.
Speaker 1: Take me from here. He puts the light out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: suppressing his trauma. Yep, he uses a cone to like
Speaker 1: put it over the the cone that had been carrying
Speaker 1: around the whole time. Yeah. Yeah, the spirit had the snuff. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the candle snuffer put it. Yeah, he put it over.
Speaker 1: Then it launched his ass like a rocket. That was crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it literally launched him like a bottle rocket up
Speaker 3: to the freaking moon.
Speaker 1: Almost. Boy, that was a NASA rocket. That was That
Speaker 1: was Yeah. That was up there. Man, so crazy.
Speaker 3: And he basically lands and then like it almost immediately
Speaker 3: the next one starts.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, pretty much. Immediately, I think he's hearing like
Speaker 1: somebody laughing in the next room or whatever, and he
Speaker 1: goes in there and that was it was that, So
Speaker 1: we get to the present. Christmas Present.
Speaker 3: The Ghost of Christmas Present was my favorite because I
Speaker 3: was he was he looked like a god.
Speaker 1: He looked like a Greek god like or like a
Speaker 1: Norse god or something. One of my favorite one of
Speaker 1: the things that I noticed that was my favorite about
Speaker 1: the Ghost of Christmas Present was with the Ghost of
Speaker 1: Christmas Past, they went to the past and the Ghost
Speaker 1: of Christmas he had to come. They went to the
Speaker 1: future with the Ghost of Christmas Present. They never left
Speaker 1: the house. Yeah, they just stayed in the house and
Speaker 1: he just showed him through like the reality changed around
Speaker 1: them instead of them going someplace different, which.
Speaker 2: Was really cool, the present here and now he saw,
Speaker 2: so he saw his nephew, and this version is true,
Speaker 2: and all three that I saw, I mean, it's all
Speaker 2: the same, but this was identical in all three that
Speaker 2: I saw that they're they're playing a game and the
Speaker 2: party with his nephew and all these other friends of
Speaker 2: his at Scrooge was invited to this party, but he's like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Want to go to your stupid little Christmas party. And
Speaker 1: they're playing this game like is it an animal? Yes?
Speaker 1: Is it a horse? No? Is it in London? Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it an ash? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Does it have four legs? And basically the answer ends
Speaker 2: up being Scrooge right, yeah. So Scrooge hears that, and
Speaker 2: then they all start laughing and they're like, he's a
Speaker 2: miserable old fool and he's so he's witnessing in real
Speaker 2: time his effect on people, his effect on people that
Speaker 2: they hate him, but then they.
Speaker 3: Ultimately say like, yeah, but we feel bad for him.
Speaker 3: Let's cheer whatever. And then it shows Bob Cratchit and
Speaker 3: his house and it shows them like eating a goose
Speaker 3: and like wishing they had turkey, and Tiny Tim is
Speaker 3: dying and like all this stuff and they can't afford
Speaker 3: to to, you know, take him to the hospital and
Speaker 3: they're like they can't afford.
Speaker 2: You know this part because when he's looking at Tiny
Speaker 2: Tim and he looks at the spirit and he's like
Speaker 2: does he die?
Speaker 1: Does he die?
Speaker 2: And the spirit it's like he kind of goes into
Speaker 2: this trance. He's like, I see an empty chair in
Speaker 2: the corner corner with crutches fixed in place, well preserved.
Speaker 2: And Scrooge was like, please save him, Please save him.
Speaker 2: And then the spirit's face turned to Scrooges and it
Speaker 2: says something like, oh good, we can rid the surplus population.
Speaker 2: Like oh, like he's seen the horror of his actions. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love the way it told that. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it's very scary.
Speaker 3: And it was really cool. Like by the way Jim
Speaker 3: Carrey plays all of the ghosts.
Speaker 1: What, yeah, I didn't know that the voices. That's even better.
Speaker 3: All that happened in that scene was the beard went
Speaker 3: away and you saw that. It was yeah, it's all I.
Speaker 1: Didn't do that. They're all Scrooge. So the Ghost of
Speaker 1: Christmas Present prior to any of this happening, any of
Speaker 1: the ghost activity. He went into that room and it
Speaker 1: was bare and empty, right, and he locks that door,
Speaker 1: and so that makes me believe that that was his
Speaker 1: Christmas room prior to his whole life falling apart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because after he locks the room, like the Christmas
Speaker 3: tree like materializes and the present then.
Speaker 1: He goes in there and it's just like Christmas and
Speaker 1: the Ghost of Christmas present. That's probably that's probably what
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So anyway, Yeah, the ghost shows Scrooge like the different
Speaker 3: things that are happening in the present as a direct
Speaker 3: result of his behavior and the negative way that he's
Speaker 3: affecting those around him.
Speaker 1: And then then it gets weird. Then it gets really
Speaker 1: weird because he starts talking about strikes. He starts talking
Speaker 1: about like you must know my brothers, like there are
Speaker 1: over eighteen hundred of them, eighteen hundred and forty two,
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred forty two to be ex which that part
Speaker 1: I don't really understand, dude. I'll tell you exactly what
Speaker 1: it is. It was the year eighteen forty three. Thoughts,
Speaker 1: he is the ghost of Christmas, the Ghost of Christmas present.
Speaker 1: Every year is only the present Christmas, so like every
Speaker 1: year there's a new one. Okay, that's I was thinking
Speaker 1: about this today, he said. He said in the movie, he.
Speaker 3: Said, like our lifespan, uh my, cond the lifespan of
Speaker 3: my kind are brief on this globe.
Speaker 1: It's because he.
Speaker 2: Lives that year, the present every and then he withers away.
Speaker 2: And that's what I thought, but I didn't really see.
Speaker 1: I put that together because I looked up the era
Speaker 1: of the Scrooge film and Victorian era Europe, yeah, or London.
Speaker 2: Also, we forgot to mention that in general, this story
Speaker 2: is just like a total Gothic masterpiece.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, the Christmas Carol.
Speaker 2: Just like the fit dude, just like he's always got
Speaker 2: the like thee yeah, the setting, like it's just it's
Speaker 2: just pure Gothic masterpiece, which which is an element I
Speaker 2: didn't expect. A man just reminds me of blood Borne
Speaker 2: all the way. And I know I keep saying this,
Speaker 2: but especially the Muppets version, because it's a physical sense,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's I loved that aspect of it.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so then the clock strikes twelve on the
Speaker 1: ghost of the Present and he turns where there's a
Speaker 1: westshes dust to dust.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, gone, that wasn't in the Muppets version all
Speaker 2: that entailed.
Speaker 1: Next, Yeah, it was interesting. Casey mentioned something that I
Speaker 1: didn't really pick up on. First of all, she's the
Speaker 1: one that like told me. I was like, what does
Speaker 1: he mean he has eighteen hundred brothers eighteen and she's like,
Speaker 1: it's it was the years.
Speaker 3: And then she also said that she thinks that the
Speaker 3: Ghost of Christmas present represents like God, like he like
Speaker 3: he is like the Spirit of Christmas, like his jolly demeanor,
Speaker 3: like he's what.
Speaker 1: I kind of thought that too, I I yeah, And no,
Speaker 1: that's just because the I am the present, like the
Speaker 1: presence at Christmas. You were present, right, But then that
Speaker 1: reminds me the first words out of the first Spirit's mouth,
Speaker 1: the light being the past, the first words that he
Speaker 1: ever said was I am yeah. Uh huh, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: remind him. Sorry, it's a good point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's like the ghost of Christmas past, present,
Speaker 3: and future. It's like God, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think that that would necessarily be out of the
Speaker 2: question from the like I'm just thinking, like you know,
Speaker 2: Victorian era actual Charles Dickens writing the story in the
Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds, what he would be thinking symbolically about these characters. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's out of the question about it, No, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's very supernatural, it's very revelatory experience, very esoteric.
Speaker 2: I mean, like because when we finish the story we
Speaker 2: can get into you know what it's, what it all means.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's obvious that the Ghost of Christmas Present
Speaker 3: is supposed to be like the Spirit of Christmas.
Speaker 1: He's basically like Santa Claus. He's like ho ho hoan,
Speaker 1: and he's big and jolly and yeah, and so he's
Speaker 1: like the thing laughs a lot lot, which is you know,
Speaker 1: some people have a personal philosophy that the life it's
Speaker 1: a cosmic dance or a cosmic joke, like you were
Speaker 1: present in the joke. Hahaa.
Speaker 2: Would do you guys know about the Victorian Father. It's
Speaker 2: like the old version of Santa he was. He's dressed
Speaker 2: like that. He's dressed like big green road kind of
Speaker 2: like pagan attire.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Remember the Dickens Festival Christmas. They would have one walking
Speaker 2: around every every year. It's like an old Victorian kind
Speaker 2: of rendition of Santa Claus.
Speaker 1: Nick if you need something to do over Christmas, I
Speaker 1: think that would fit what you could get that outfit
Speaker 1: and be that guy. Okay, I'm just saying you fit
Speaker 1: the character. I think that's a compliment.
Speaker 2: It is, Yeah, you do need something to do with
Speaker 2: that was that was the part that I oh, I
Speaker 2: was just making a joke like, if you need something, dude,
Speaker 2: get that outfit.
Speaker 1: Well ready right, that was the part I'm flattered by
Speaker 1: the Yeah, move over, mal Santa, Yeah, yeah, hell yeah,
Speaker 1: we got what's it called father Father Victor Victoria Victoria,
Speaker 1: father Victory. I think it's the Victorian father Victoria.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so he dies and then the final spirit
Speaker 2: that haunts.
Speaker 1: Us Alex, Yes, yes, yes, yes, he doesn't say anything
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, no words, And in fact, I think
Speaker 1: he really only materializes as a shadow. That's it. No,
Speaker 1: his hand will pop out of the shadow, that's true.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and at very first, when you very first see him.
Speaker 3: That was also, by the way, crazy the clock strikes twelve.
Speaker 3: Scrooge like looks down at his shadow, and his shadow
Speaker 3: starts like moving and taking shape, and then you can
Speaker 3: see it's like the skeleton.
Speaker 1: The hood in the robe. Yeah, the hood in the road.
Speaker 1: It's standing like this, and then it just like pops
Speaker 1: out of the shadow and grabs him. So at this
Speaker 1: point Scrooge has learned a lot of lessons. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he hadn't been scared straight, right, because he's still back
Speaker 1: talking these spirits. He's still when the when the when.
Speaker 1: He's standing there, right, and the spirit turns into the
Speaker 1: shadow and they're sitting there in it's dead air and
Speaker 1: no one's saying anything, and he's like, come on and
Speaker 1: spin it. I've got time, got to be somewhere, right,
Speaker 1: That's a good impression, and then it just knocks him
Speaker 1: on his ass and send him down a flight of stairs. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: who are you right? You wordle being right? And so
Speaker 1: I love that aspect of it. Yeah, yeah he's not.
Speaker 1: He thinks he's right, but he's not right yet. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: So flies down a flight of stairs, continues to get
Speaker 1: beat up, and then oh dude, this one was crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was crazy, and I was kind of fading.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to remember the sequence of things. Yeah,
Speaker 3: did the grave happen first, or did the horse carriage happen?
Speaker 1: The horse carriage happened first, So he gets chased, he
Speaker 1: gets chased and he's running from the horse carriage. Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: he lands at the bottom of the steps. Here's where
Speaker 1: here's what happened. I'm fixed now. Lands at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the steps, and the guys are talking about his
Speaker 1: funeral there you go, Oh, you know, I can imagine
Speaker 1: it'd be a really cheap funeral. Who would want to
Speaker 1: go to that? And then the guy said, I'd go
Speaker 1: to that if lunch was provided, and so he's like, man,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know who they're talking about. And then here
Speaker 1: comes the horse and carriage. He's running for his life
Speaker 1: and shrinking and shrinking to the size of a mouse. Right,
Speaker 1: so he's being humbled physically, he's being chased, scared to death,
Speaker 1: and now he's becoming small, like, hey, you are physically
Speaker 1: being humbled right now, you're the size of a mouse.
Speaker 1: And then he ends up in his one his house
Speaker 1: has made his housekeeper's house, right, and she stole his
Speaker 1: bed curtains, his bed sheets, his robe, and she's fixing
Speaker 1: to sell it and she's like, oh, you're going to
Speaker 1: give it to her husband. You're going to be so
Speaker 1: warm tonight. We got these shoes. The old man finally
Speaker 1: croaked and he's sitting there on the floor looking up
Speaker 1: like that's my stuff, you know. And the only nice
Speaker 1: thing she had to say about him was good riddance.
Speaker 1: I got his steps. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Then you see the departure of our dearly beloved Tiny Tim.
Speaker 1: Oh he didn't make it. He did not.
Speaker 2: The Cratchits were devastated, and we are left with Bob
Speaker 2: talking about his grave being by a grassy green field
Speaker 2: that he promises to walk by every Sunday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he just bursts into tears. And while he's walking,
Speaker 1: while Bob Cratchit is walking up the stairs to go
Speaker 1: to Tiny Tim's bedroom, like he stops when he's face
Speaker 1: to face with Scrooge's like spirit ethereal version. So they're
Speaker 1: just like staring.
Speaker 3: And like Scrooge is like fully mortified in this moment.
Speaker 3: You can see it on his face. He is just
Speaker 3: like devastated with what his like decisions have, you know,
Speaker 3: have done for this family.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Then we come to the coffin. Oh well, in this one,
Speaker 2: it wasn't a coffin.
Speaker 1: No. We go to his bed first, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: We go to the bed first, and there's a figure
Speaker 1: laying under the sheet on the bed and he's scared
Speaker 1: to death. He knows.
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm not gonna do it, and the spirit
Speaker 2: keeps pointing like pull the cover, like look, and the
Speaker 2: spirit begins to pull the cover, and.
Speaker 1: He said, like, good dick, get spitted. Yeah, don't show me.
Speaker 1: So he doesn't, and then you end up in the graveyard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't show. The spirit doesn't show him who's
Speaker 3: under the he said, fine thing. Yeah, He's like, fine, cool,
Speaker 3: we'll do this instead, and then he takes him. He
Speaker 3: takes Scrooge to his grave and it's like in this
Speaker 3: like desolate, snowy, like shitty little hill.
Speaker 1: It's interesting if you think about the hole back and
Speaker 1: forth that I've been bringing up about him being and
Speaker 1: thinking he's been in control. And so then he's like,
Speaker 1: don't show me, like he has some sort of say right,
Speaker 1: and then the spirit it's like, fine, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: show you anyway. Yeah, like it's just in a different way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you something else.
Speaker 3: And you know what's funny, by the end, he was
Speaker 3: begging to know who was under the sheet.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna draw a pair a lot of life here.
Speaker 1: The same thing happens when you were like, no, when
Speaker 1: you resist what you know has to be done, it
Speaker 1: still gets done, just in a different way. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yes, definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So so he's like he's sitting in front of his
Speaker 3: own grave. He like gets up and tries to walk away,
Speaker 3: and then the ground starts sinking underneath him, like right
Speaker 3: in front of the grave and it sinks, and he's
Speaker 3: like grabbing onto the ledge like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I get it now, I understand the error of my
Speaker 3: ways and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And the grave is getting deeper and deeper and deeper,
Speaker 1: and then it starts to glow red, and like I
Speaker 1: was like, holy shit, he's going to hell.
Speaker 3: Like yo, it goes like so deep down and then
Speaker 3: at the very very bottom you can see like a coffin,
Speaker 3: but it's like glowing like fiery red and orange. And
Speaker 3: he basically like he's begging for his life. He's begging like,
Speaker 3: you know, can I change it? Like if I go back,
Speaker 3: can I even change it? Can I change any of this?
Speaker 3: Like what is this going to do?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, he said, is this oh?
Speaker 2: Because we forgot to say in the very beginning, Ghost
Speaker 2: to Christmas Past was like these are only shadows of
Speaker 2: what have been. They are not able to see you,
Speaker 2: you are not able to alter them. So then he's
Speaker 2: asking the spirit, are these shadows of.
Speaker 1: What will be? Or what? Maybe? Can I change this course?
Speaker 2: He's like, please, I've learned my lessons, Please can I
Speaker 2: change this this outcome?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and obviously the ghost of yet to come can't.
Speaker 3: He doesn't speak, so he's not getting any answers, and
Speaker 3: he falls into his casket and then wakes up on
Speaker 3: his bed on Christmas morning.
Speaker 1: He's like, what what is he say? This is the
Speaker 1: most important part of the movie to me. I'm liked
Speaker 1: as a feather. Yeah, I'm as light as a feather. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's literally dancing around and jumping around like a little schoolboy.
Speaker 1: He even says, I think like I feel like a
Speaker 1: little school boy. Like he's so full of whimsy, and
Speaker 1: this is like before this is my favorite. By the way,
Speaker 1: he would walk by people just singing Christmas music and
Speaker 1: be like, like tell him to shut up, and like
Speaker 1: if people showing any amount of joy was disgusting to
Speaker 1: him and he just thought it was weak. But now
Speaker 1: he's like a little boy, a little school boy. I
Speaker 1: cracked up father.
Speaker 2: When they were like doing carols outside and he jumped
Speaker 2: in on the carrol.
Speaker 1: He did cracked. That was so funny. So yeah, he
Speaker 1: obviously he learned his lessons and it transforms.
Speaker 2: I just loved the enlightened Scrooge man because he's He's
Speaker 2: what I want to be, so bad man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's what we should all listen.
Speaker 2: I wanted to I wanted to make a parallel here
Speaker 2: so my friend Matt, I want to shout out, Matt,
Speaker 2: I know this. This was I just decided to do this.
Speaker 2: This is not a planned plug, but he has this
Speaker 2: podcast here. Matt Bell's limitless, right. I just fle out
Speaker 2: to Florida last week to do a show, and Matt
Speaker 2: was like, you need to listen to a recent episode
Speaker 2: of mine that I did where I had on the
Speaker 2: Grand Master of the Knights Templar. Remember I was telling
Speaker 2: you guys today about that guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I've been listening to this episode. Like when I
Speaker 2: go to the gym, I'm you know, doing whatever, working out,
Speaker 2: driving in the car whenever I just have a little
Speaker 2: bit of downtime. I've been listening to this episode because
Speaker 2: it's quite long, and I wanted to make this parallel.
Speaker 2: I heard this today on this episode from the Grand
Speaker 2: Master of the Knight's Templar, which is insane to hear
Speaker 2: a grand master of this order come out and speak
Speaker 2: and talk about their doctrine and an official capacity. And
Speaker 2: he said, straight up, we hold the doctrine of reincarnation,
Speaker 2: that it is about the gnostic ideals, that we have
Speaker 2: the sacred divinity within us that were all aspects of God.
Speaker 2: Some traditions call it the sacred flame, but that the
Speaker 2: whole purpose of incarnation here is to cultivate this inner
Speaker 2: light and adhere to our conscience. He said, we have
Speaker 2: to adhere to our conscience. We have to be connected
Speaker 2: to this inner aspect of our divinity. And he said,
Speaker 2: as within so without. So as you become connected to
Speaker 2: this divine aspect of yourself and you follow your conscience,
Speaker 2: your outward life will manifest to be like that which
Speaker 2: is within. And I thought that was amazing because I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, that's the story of Scrooge.
Speaker 2: It's literally the esoteric doctrine. Now, I bring up the
Speaker 2: templar thing because it was relevant, right, but that's in
Speaker 2: general the esoteric truth. I'm just saying the templar part
Speaker 2: because it was like a recent random really cool, a
Speaker 2: really cool parallel, right, but it's literally the story of
Speaker 2: Scrooge is the esoteric doctrine. It's like, it's following your conscience,
Speaker 2: being joyful, light as a feather, or enlightened to purge
Speaker 2: your negative karma.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The difference is that Scrooge was just so willfully unaware
Speaker 3: that he had to have his literal ghosts come and
Speaker 3: grab him by the head and force show him those
Speaker 3: aspects of his subconscious, those aspects of his conscious that
Speaker 3: he needed to face.
Speaker 1: Like, he was so willfully unaware that he had to
Speaker 1: be like smacked. He had a.
Speaker 2: Genuine mystical revelatory experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's like he had to be haunted by
Speaker 2: these spirits to see that.
Speaker 1: He was asleep. Yeah to the truth. What is the truth?
Speaker 2: It's about your conscience, about being heart centered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, that is interesting. Yeah, he's fully like
Speaker 1: he's a completely different person when he comes back from
Speaker 1: this experience. He's light as a feather, he's charitable, he's
Speaker 1: giving his money away, he gives he sees a little
Speaker 1: boy and he's like what day is it? And the
Speaker 1: kids like, what are you talking about? It is Christmas?
Speaker 1: You idiot.
Speaker 3: And he's like He's like, oh, do they still have
Speaker 3: that big ass turkey in that in that shop?
Speaker 1: And the kid's like yeah. He's like, go buy it.
Speaker 1: I'll pay you for it and I'll give you extra
Speaker 1: and like then he buys them a cab to go
Speaker 1: take it to Tiny Tim's house. He was he was
Speaker 1: like you beautiful boy. And then the boy leaves. He's like,
Speaker 1: what a good boy.
Speaker 2: You know whatever he says, he's just praising everybody, just
Speaker 2: giving money.
Speaker 1: Love that boy. Yeah. He walked by the singing people
Speaker 1: and he joined in with them singing this. He's like,
Speaker 1: God bless you. Yeah, you put money in their Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. He rode on the back of the carriage.
Speaker 1: He like grabbed onto it and was sliding on the ice.
Speaker 1: In the beginning of the movie, I told Olivia, I
Speaker 1: was like, man, I'll never get to be able to
Speaker 1: do that. Why do what? One there's no horse and carriage. Two,
Speaker 1: it doesn't snow downtown Wilmington doesn't snow around here. It doesn't.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, you do that all the time.
Speaker 1: You talking about my skateboard in a car, Well, there
Speaker 1: you go. It's like it's different no, it's not. It's
Speaker 1: and it's like if they could have seen that, then
Speaker 1: they would be like, oh, I want to escape. Well
Speaker 1: that's way cooler. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Anyway, it's kind of
Speaker 1: the difference between a black pill and a white pill.
Speaker 1: If you just really want to watch a whole movie
Speaker 1: to figure out the difference between how much cooler it
Speaker 1: is to be white pilled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is, it's it's I think it's the
Speaker 2: way I think it is. And now what do we
Speaker 2: mean when we say white pilled? Right, you want to explain.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, black pilled is having a doom and gloom
Speaker 1: nihilistic outlook, and white pilled is the opposite of that,
Speaker 1: like joy, positive, joy, positivity, being light as a feather
Speaker 1: being enlightened, happy, joyful, and enlightened. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think I genuinely believe that it is the natural order
Speaker 2: of the universe, that the natural way that we are
Speaker 2: supposed to be is enlightened, is light, is a feather
Speaker 2: h following our conscience just generally being good to others.
Speaker 2: And I think it's external circumstances and maybe a little
Speaker 2: bit of trauma for past lives and karma that that
Speaker 2: cause us to be distracted from that and it's up
Speaker 2: to us to try to just get back on that course.
Speaker 2: It's very complicated, multi dimensional thing, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a beautiful, incredible story that it's. It's a
Speaker 3: story that is told in so many different ways, right,
Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of ways. It's the classic tale of
Speaker 3: the evolution of the soul and the purification of the soul.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this.
Speaker 3: One is done in such a really really cool way
Speaker 3: and true, like kudos to Dickens for the it's it's
Speaker 3: really you like, feel every aspect of this story. You
Speaker 3: can relate, Yes, you can very every single aspect of
Speaker 3: this story. And the scenarios that are crafted by Dickens
Speaker 3: are so relatable and they.
Speaker 1: Put you in a state where you feel like you
Speaker 1: are Scrooge.
Speaker 3: All of us feel like we can relate to Scrooge
Speaker 3: in a way or another, like we don't appreciate our
Speaker 3: lives enough, we don't appreciate you know, where we came
Speaker 3: from or where we're going, or we're unhappy with Everybody
Speaker 3: can relate even just a little sliver with Scrooge, especially
Speaker 3: when we see how happy he is at the end
Speaker 3: that he has has chosen to not just accept, but
Speaker 3: embrace and love his experience, like we can all be like,
Speaker 3: that's it, that's that's the point of life.
Speaker 2: It really is a masterful story. And you know, granted,
Speaker 2: I want to make this clear that I didn't grow
Speaker 2: up consuming this story. I grew up seeing it once
Speaker 2: or twice when I was really little, right and not
Speaker 2: really caring, and it was my mental name, so I
Speaker 2: didn't care. I didn't have a connection to it like
Speaker 2: I do now, is what I'm getting at. So like
Speaker 2: watching it with fresh eyes, I'm like, dude, this is
Speaker 2: this is really one of my favorite stories I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you, I actually get emotional when Tiny
Speaker 2: Tim is on the screen because I just think of
Speaker 2: I think of you know, him being sick and his
Speaker 2: family suffering and being put and then Scrooge being you know,
Speaker 2: so devastated.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's the.
Speaker 2: Thing that softened Scrooge is Tiny Tims. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: I think of the wonderful positive ending how he basically
Speaker 2: becomes Tiny Tims mentor.
Speaker 1: His second father. Yes, he saves him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he saves him, and he guides him and he
Speaker 2: mentors him for the rest of his life, and he
Speaker 2: he molds him and I'm just like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: what an amazing, amazing comeback story. This Scrooge came back
Speaker 2: from the depths of hell and he became the most
Speaker 2: loved person in the town. Yeah, and the movie ends
Speaker 2: were like and many have said for years to come
Speaker 2: that Scrooge keeps.
Speaker 1: Christmas Christmas more than any other, basically keeps it more
Speaker 1: than any other.
Speaker 2: But this old ass dude who's grumpy, uh, is the
Speaker 2: talk of the town on Christmas because he's so joyful
Speaker 2: and it transformed.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's what Christmas is all about, Alex. If
Speaker 1: you were.
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