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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, everybody. I'm really excited about my guest today.
Speaker 3: He's a return guests back for his second show with
us and I have with me the amazing Hakeem Isler.
Hakeem is a master in martial arts, but he's also
the founder of the sy Games. He's a consciousness researcher,
a wilderness survival expert. As I said, martial artists, and
instructure and instructor excuse me, and remote viewing in mindsight training,
and this fascinating discussion will explore how ancient wisdom, modern
science and discipline training may interest to expand human potential.
We'll also discuss remote viewing, consciousness research, breath work, martial arts,
mental resilience, wilderness survival, the Monroe Institute, and practical applications
of side development. Topics include are not limited to, remote
viewing in mindsight, human potential and consciousness, martial arts and
mental discipline, wilderness survival, breath work and peak performance, yoga,
and side development. Ethics of consciousness research such scientific investigation
of pside phenomena. Then excuse me, the future, hope of
future of human consciousness and I'm bringing them to the
stage now. Hakeem, thank you so much for coming back
on man.
Speaker 4: How are you hey, Thanks man, I'm doing good. I
appreciate being back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So for the people that might not saw our show
first time. Tell us a little bit about yourself and
how this all came into, you know.
Speaker 4: Play for you, So which part I got a pretty
crazy long history of things, you mean the side games or.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess we did everything kind of blend
together because I see, like you you're like a You're
like a nijitsu master, which means that used to done
extensive study in martial arts. But then so I know
there's an element of spirituality to martial arts. But then
I also see your wilderness survivalists, so both of those
things can kind of cross over into the realm we're
talking about in this which is like consciousness and sigh ability?
Was there were you kind of into those things first
and then you kind of got into the more consciousness
studies or how.
Speaker 2: Did that work?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So, since I was young, I always was a little
into the spiritual mystical elements or aspects of life, but
that really became a strong portion of my life.
Speaker 5: During my training in nijitsu.
Speaker 4: So when I was about twenty one or so, I
moved to North carol I mean sorry, not North Carolina, Daton,
Ohio to train with the first American to go to
Japan and bring the ninja system back to America, and
I started training with that guy. And ninjitsu is very
rooted in understanding of psychology, spirituality, you know, understanding nature
and how we relate to nature. So I started to
get immersed in it there, but I was still a
young man, so I didn't spend a lot of time
diving into those aspects, even though I did read a
lot of books about it, and I did some stuff
with my teacher, and then you know, joined the army,
became very heavily rooted into the mental aspects of how
humans operate, and got out into military and started spending
more time in nature and found myself back into the
idea of what it was like to connect with nature
and be one with nature, and that led me.
Speaker 5: To starting to research and.
Speaker 4: Understand sy more and I got into the PSI aspect
of what I was doing. So, yeah, that that kind
of gives you like a quick overview of that journey, and.
Speaker 3: Then you've actually went a step further and you developed
the SI games. Like what have you been to the
Monroe Institute? Because I know you, we I think we talked,
I can't remember we talked about that before, but you
got interested in the Monroe Institute as well.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, so about i'd say been five years or
so now maybe, yeah, so I think it was like
five years ago. I started diving into remote viewing a
lot more so.
Speaker 5: My teacher, my ninjitsu.
Speaker 4: Teacher, would always talk about our kug seven, which is
one of the ninja abilities or powers, the ability to
see in a different time, in a different place, and
he would refer this to the story about how when
he first came back, he ended up linking up with
this guy who worked at right pat Air Force Base,
who was, you know, a super secret type spy research
in different things, or not spy, but researcher. And that
guy was interested in this thing called remote viewing and
put together a small research study with some civilians and
non civilians to study remote viewing.
Speaker 5: And I would remember that all the time.
Speaker 4: And about five years ago I had a student in
my class who was pretending to be a martial arts
character from this animation called Naruto, and I was like, hey,
we have moved and mantras in our martial art and
he was like, well, show me how to do these
incredible powers that I see on television. You know, that's
my grown up version of what he said as a
nine year old. And I really didn't have a way
to teach this kid really quickly how to like tap
into those abilities. And so I started researching and saying, well,
what is out there that would allow me to teach
young folks how to tap into these abilities right away?
And I thought, I remember my teacher talking about remote viewing,
So I was like, okay, well let me look into that.
And I found out about remote viewing, started studying with
Paul Smith, and then that led me to be able
to train with a guy named Tom McNair who's one
of Ingo's most successful students, and Ingo Swan and then
I ended up saying, well, what else did these guys do?
And I found out about the Monroe Institute. So then
I went to train at the Monroe Institute and I
did the Gateway program twice and that was just really amazing,
so amazing that I ended up becoming one of the
advisory board members from the Monroe Institute for a couple
of years. And then I realized as I was going
around training with all these remote viewers are trained with
Joe mcmonacle, Bill ray Lynn Buchanan, Angela Thompson, Smith, Paul Smith,
you know Tom McNeair.
Speaker 5: So I was like, okay, well this is.
Speaker 4: I love this, but this is a little complicated. I
need I need something that kids can access pretty easy.
And then that led me to mindsight, so this idea
of seeing without your eyes with a blindfold on, and
so I started training with that and that was pretty
amazing and I was like, Okay, this is cool. This
is something that kids can pick up right away. And
that kind of started me down this really deep rabbit
hole of exploring these extrasensory perceptions or these abilities that
we have as human beings. And somewhere in there I
got this message about this thing called the SI Games,
and I was just like, what is that, you know?
And at first I really thought it because it was
just so far outside of my wheelhouse. And I was
really doing this for me in my small school, like
I can learn and then teach it to my kids
at the school and the adults and kind of give
people a really quick example that they're more than their
physical bodies and they do have all of these capabilities.
And it evolved into this thing called the SI Games,
and I really fought it and fought it, but it
kept coming back as a message. And then eventually I
was like, okay, well let me give this a shot
and see what this looks like. And I called up
this Jeffrey Misch, love guy, you know, who's a really
well known guy in the PSI community. And I thought
he would tell me like, hey, kid, you know this,
I tried this before, or tell me it wasn't worth it,
and he was very optimistic and he's, look, I think
now is the time to try it. I tried something
like this forty years ago. It wasn't the time, but
I think now is the time to try it, and
you're the guy to do it. And I was like, well, okay,
I'll give it a shot. And once I started, it
just didn't stop. And now here we are about to
have the second side games in two weeks.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I remember the first time you came
on my show. You were gearing up for the first
one and you know, and I'm glad it went. Well,
you know, are you getting Can I ask you a question?
Are you getting like amazing like psychic confirmations and stuff
like that, or like what's it?
Speaker 2: How did the games unfold? Like what are the you
where are the tests? Or like what? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So am I getting amazing confirmations that I'm on
the path?
Speaker 5: Yes, like that I'm on the right path.
Speaker 4: I have been getting just that there's been so many miraculous,
very outside of the box experiences that have shown me
that I am moving in the right direction, and it's
been super amazing for me. I've just really been blown
away about how many connections I've made, how many people
who have miraculously popped up just when I needed these
people in my life to help me solve a problem
or help me get over a hump or you know.
Speaker 5: And so for me, it really is going into that
realm of.
Speaker 4: Confirmation, psychic confirmation, and it really highlights that something out
there in the universe or in the world really wants
to see this happen for mankind. And that's why I
don't even call myself really the founder. I call myself
the founding Stuart, like I feel like I was given
this message as to stewart it. And the more I
talk to people, I meet other people who have had
a similar idea but they were not able to get
it off.
Speaker 5: The ground for whatever reason. And so I'm not the
only one now that.
Speaker 4: I know that has had this idea, and a lot
of people have had it way longer than I did,
you know.
Speaker 5: So then it was like, well, why did I get it?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: And maybe the reason I got it was because I
was going to be the guy that.
Speaker 4: Was finally chosen to be able to do it, you know,
I had the connections and the people and the energy
to make it happen. And so I definitely feel like
there's something here psychically, but something also energetically that allows
this to actually come into fruition, and and I get confirmation.
Speaker 5: Of that all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, what what is that? What is like a
breakdown of the games? Like what are what are the
some of the the like what are some of the
contests that you have for the game?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we have five categories, five disciplines. We have
psyches mindsight, which is the ability to see without your eyes.
We have remote viewing, we have precognition dowsing, and then
we have psychokinesis. And so in each one of those
we have like two or three games that people have
to play, and how well they do allows them to
move on to the next level of a new game.
Speaker 5: Right, so if you can imagine, we have three different games,
and you.
Speaker 4: Know, we start with eight people and the top four
scores from that first game move on to the second game,
and then the top two from that game move on
to the third game, and then we you know, we
kind of have these elimination challenges and then at the end,
the last person standing in that genre is the first
place winner. Right, So that's how we that's how we've
been moving up to this point, so that that gives
you kind of an idea. And then the games themselves
are are pretty intricate games. We have some like precognition
games where we give you twenty different possible choices and
out of those twenty different possible choice, one couple of
them will have a correct choice in them and then
the others are decoys. And so you have to be
able to tap into your precognitive ability to see, well,
what are the correct answers that I'm going to see
in the future, and then if they and then be
able to draw those down or write that down, and
then we will come behind and check your work and say, okay,
well you got this, this and this right. And so
the goal is, you know, there there is a certain
number that you can get right just by chance, you know,
one out of twenty. But then maybe if you get
like seven right, then you know that that's saying something
you know and so, and then if you move on
to the next round, the next round is actually a
different game and it's harder. So then if you do
well in that game, then we start building this idea
that a statistical significance and a person can start to
get better at that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and would you say that, like, how much
of siability is natural talent versus discipline practice or can
it be both?
Speaker 5: I think that it's both.
Speaker 4: I think that some people were born naturally with this
type of ability it seems that way, like an Ingo
Swan or Joe mcmonaicle. And then there are other people
who have to work at it. And I don't even
know if the people with talent don't have to work
at it. I think they have to too if they
want to make it get better. But some people have
a very low threshold of where they're able to do this,
and then those people can get better. I've seen it
with myself in like psychokinesis, Like it wasn't something that
I was just naturally doing maybe in some ways, some
people might argue that my ability to manifest things into
existence is a version of psychokinesis, and that I was
very you know, I was very adept in that particular place.
But in the case of like just moving an object,
that would be different. And so I've seen my psychocanese's
ability to grow through my continued practice things that would
take me. For instance, I can put the ugly wheel
under glass and make it spin. When I first started
doing that, it would take me like twenty minutes or
thirty minutes to make that happen. And now I just
in the morning, I'll just get up, I'll sit in
the table, drink my cup of coffee, put it under glass,
and then within a couple of minutes it's spinning. And
now I'm actually working on actually not like using my
hands as a conduit, but actually just looking at it
and seeing if I can make it spin. And I've
seen it get better where it's starting to it's starting
to slowly inch back and forth and then start to move.
But I haven't gotten a full like just complete rotation
around and around under the glass. Yet. But that's but
what I'm seeing is that what I'm saying, and when
I'm seeing is that I've gone from like not being
able to do that to practice, practice, practice, practice, all
of a sudden, I can do it, practice, practice, practice.
The time curve for how long it takes me to
do it starts to get shorter. And so from my
own experience, practice does allow you to develop and grow
these ability.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and with that said, how much do you do
how much do you think that reality is valuable or
how much your reality do you think we can change
with our siability and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: I think that stands to be determined. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I do know that, you know for my own personal
life that I've been able to bring things into existence
that I just didn't I could never imagine. And some
of that may be that I'm just precognating, like that future,
and so I think that I'm bringing it into existence
because I said it or I saw it and then
it happened, or really maybe I just saw the future
and it I kind of had this that it was
going to happen, and it happened because I saw some
portion of the future. It's kind of tough to know,
but I do think that there is an ability to
influence our surroundings in our environment.
Speaker 5: I have to think that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've done psychokinesis and I've seen it in
real time. Now to what scale that is, I think
it remains to be seen. And that's why events like
the side Games, and then also the training website that
we have out now side Games Online, where you can
just go and play games, these different games that are
designed to help you build these abilities, are so important
because as people start to play and have fun with
these abilities, they will start to see their abilities grow
and develop. And then you know, five years from now,
what we thought was impossible, it could very well be
possible because we just have a bunch of people training
at it consistently.
Speaker 2: You know, That's that's a really good point.
Speaker 3: So how does one access these exercises and and and
and with that to kind of back up on that question,
how does someone know if they're right?
Speaker 2: I mean, or how can someone qualify for the side games?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So, so first off, our qualification and both your answer
both your questions have one answer, and that is what
we call side Games online dot Com so p s
I Games Plural Online dot Com so p s I
Games online dot Com. If you just go there and
sign up.
Speaker 5: It's free.
Speaker 4: We have about seven games on there that you can
just start playing today and each one, uh is around
one of these different disciplines. So psychokinesis precognition, dowsing, you know, mindsight,
and remote viewing. So you could just start playing those games.
And if not, then when you come to like participate
in the side games and let's say, be what we
call a perceptualist, which essentially is a competitive but we
call them perceptualists, then we would say, okay, if you
want to be considered as a perceptualist, you need to
go to side games online and play these games so
we can register how how high above statistical significance or
high above chance that you are scoring, so we know
that you can really do the thing.
Speaker 5: So it's our pre.
Speaker 4: Screening as well as just a game you can play
online to develop develop your talents.
Speaker 2: That's awesome, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was gonna say, dumb back to the
martial arts thing, like and this is a fascinating interview
so far, so thank you, but like, come back to
martial arts.
Speaker 2: I mean, how I think I know the answer to this,
but I'd love for the audience to hear How How
how does one's tyche have to be tuned to be
as successful martial artists?
Speaker 5: I think with martial art.
Speaker 4: With martial arts, the key is discipline and resilience. Those
two things together are really important martial art. There'll be
some things that are really easy, There'll be all types
of life issues that come at you. And what makes
a good martial artist, in my opinion, is somebody who's
very disciplined, who continues to work hard, who continues to
push themselves, who continues to learn and grow. For me personally,
I've been doing martial arts since I was eight years old.
So it's forty one years now that I've been doing
martial arts that I've not stopped. And so you know,
when I look back on that, I say, well, you know,
the biggest thing for me is my sticktuitiveness, my ability
to just keep doing it, you know. And when I
see so many kids at my own for the last
eighteen years, I've run a martial arts school, and you know,
after two years, a kid, you know, or an adult says, oh, well,
you know, yeah, I just want to try something new,
you know, and so it's like, wow, you know, you
haven't even made it to your goal. Yet now you're
ready to try something new. Which you can't fault people
for people you know have things. But I think what
really makes a good martial artist is somebody who's willing
to always find something new and the thing that they've
been doing for a very long time and give themselves
the opportunity to explore that. And I was telling a
friend about this the other day, where I was saying,
there was a time, you know, like I was, I've
been lucky. I had two grand masters that passed away
recently in Malaysia, two of my grandmasters, and I recorded
everything I did.
Speaker 5: With them, like everything, and.
Speaker 4: And somebody said to me one day, was like, well,
don't you just have all that stuff in your head?
Speaker 5: I said, well not really.
Speaker 4: You know, first off, these guys had a lifetime worth
of knowledge. I'm not going to remember all of that
in ten years of training with them.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 4: The other aspect is that where I was ten years
ago when I was training with them and they showed
me this, I might be different now. So what I
was looking at and paying attention to when they first
showed it to me. Let's say they showed me a
technique that had handwork and footwork well at the time,
trying to learn both of those was too overwhelming, So
I just focused on the handwork. That was what was
important to me at that time. And then I've been
training that for all these years. And one day I
go back and I look at the videos and I'm like, oh, yeah,
that video. I look at the video and I find
out WHOA I didn't even see what he was doing
with his feet because I wasn't even paying attention to
his feet back then. I was all about up here
with the hands. And now I'm looking at his feet,
and I realized he's doing this little tricky move with
his feet to like keep the person for moving. And
So because I've grown, and because I've grown, I am
now looking at the world differently. Because I'm looking at
the world differently, I actually see different things than what
I've seen before.
Speaker 5: And that's very important for us as we continue whatever
journey that we are.
Speaker 4: The way you looked at the world when you were
five is not the way you should be looking. Well,
I can't tell a person what to do, but it
would probably be who of you not to be looking
at the world the same way you were when you
were five years old.
Speaker 5: You know, you're out on your own. Now you're like paying.
Speaker 4: Bills, you got a job. You didn't have any of
that when you were five. So maybe when you were five,
a dollar was a lot to you. But now as
a thirty forty fifty year old person, you're thinking to yourself, like,
whoa a dollar is?
Speaker 5: Like not much at all.
Speaker 4: I can't do much with that, not even at the
dollar store, you know. So my perspective has changed because
I'm a different person. I know different things, I see
the world differently. And so that is those two things,
discipline and resilience is I think the key.
Speaker 2: Say that.
Speaker 3: And regarding nijitsu, they trained mindsight in that right, Like
I know, I watched like some like ninja masters over
the years that they I remember I grew up, I was.
I was in the martial arts my whole childhood too,
And I would see stuff in the back of the
magazine that say, like learn ninja mind powers and like
and and and I remember seeing movies where they would
train them to like to be like train mind sight
without vision, right or is that is that is that
common thing in ninja too?
Speaker 5: It is to some degree.
Speaker 4: So we have like the Saki test, which is this
ability to read and feel negative intention and being able
to move your body in a certain way to avoid
that negative energy.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: So in this particular case, it's a sword that they're
trying to hit you on the top of the head
with and you you have your eyes closed in there
behind you, and you just have to sense when that's
about to happen to move out of away. Oh you
can't see you can't see it with your eyes. And
so that would be one of the examples, but there's
tons of different exis. The difference is, in my opinion,
is that the ninja training tends to be long term
training that you have to do over a long period
of time. It's very experiential, and some of the some
of these other trainings, like Mindsight, you can get.
Speaker 5: I know a lady, the lady who won last.
Speaker 4: Year's side Games, she had only started Mindsight a year before.
She actually blew everybody out of the water with with
what she how she performed at side games. And so
when you look at that, you say, okay, well, I've
been doing this experiential training over time and I got
to a certain level, but it was not even close
to what this lady's level is.
Speaker 5: So there's a way to to kind of.
Speaker 4: Cliff note it, you know, and like get there faster
or shortcut it. But I think both are very important.
I think the faster you get there means that you
have to have some some level or some strong understanding
about ethics, because ethics is super important. The more experiential
training that takes time. I believe that from my understanding
from wisdom traditions, that time was supposed to refine you
as a person and to help you develop the ethical
you know, knowledge to help you use these abilities properly
and not use them in the wrong way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, what what what is the most thing to
use or what is what have you seen?
Speaker 3: It's kind of most blew you away at sagame, like
was anything really likes kind of like like like something
psychokinesis or.
Speaker 5: Something like that.
Speaker 4: No, I think the thing that blew me away to
most was the mind sight. Mindsight just blew me out
of the water because based on my own training, I
was like, okay, well I'm to choose these competitions where
you have to like put these widden donuts on like
a peg of the same color, and so you had
to do sorting, and then you had to do spatial
awareness and all this stuff all at the same time.
And I was like, well, a person should be able
to do pretty decent in about five minutes, right, and
they're not going to get them all, but they'll get
some of them. Well, the girl, the woman who wanted
her name was Dahlia. She did all of them in
under a minute.
Speaker 2: Blew everybody out of the water.
Speaker 5: I was like, what is happening?
Speaker 4: But since then, what has happened, which is the true
goal of the side games. It has inspired a whole
movement of people to want to now be come better
at this and so that is the ultimate goal, is
how do you inspire people to then be motivated to
do the homework, you know, and start really growing in
their own way. And so that's one of the things
that really surprised me and shocked me last year was
how well she did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jason mentioned, did you guys do a demo of
the telepathy tapes as well?
Speaker 4: One of the young ladies who was being who at
one point was being researched and interviewed by the Telepathy
Tapes people, or some of them at least from what
I understand, she's a young autistic woman and she basically
did a demo for us where she was able to
read certain information that she would not have otherwise had
access to and that was pretty amazing.
Speaker 5: And this year we're doing several demonstrations.
Speaker 4: You know, one of the big debates or big arguments
is people are always saying that blind, these blind individuals
are looking around targets or looking around there blindfolds or whatever.
And so we have a demonstration being done this year
by a man who has no eyes.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 4: So if people try to say, you know, this guy
is seeing and he's doing it with his eyes, well
he doesn't have any eyes, so he can't be doing
it with his eyes.
Speaker 5: And so we're gonna we're gonna show that this year.
Speaker 2: What what do you think that?
Speaker 3: I mean this this raises a really big ethical question
right now because like I don't know if you saw,
like Elon musk is Uh is offering some pretty promising
things with his technology.
Speaker 2: I think there's this guy.
Speaker 3: They showed him online, They put the first ship in him,
and he's able to do some weird things like he's
able to levitate and he's able to you know, make
soda up here out of it and nowhere, you know,
And like I mean when I saw this stuff a team,
I was like blown away, But then I was like,
you know, it's it kind of defeats like what we're
trying to do like naturally, you know, and maybe what
we can do naturally, you know what I mean. So
it's like, do you do you feel that we should
be more ethical and we should rely more on our
natural abilities or do you feel like something like like
that technology can help us and there can be a
healthy balance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we saw this, and we see this in
the survival world, right. So in survival, wilderness survival, one
of the things that people have, like technology is great,
and if you can use technology, that's great, but it's
also good to have a good understanding of how to
use your own technology or natural technology. And when people
fail to do that, we see very bad results when
things go wrong. So, for instance, again speaking about survival
me as a survival instructor, when people fail to set
food aside or clean water and have a backup plan,
then when a hurricane comes through and takes out their
power and knocks out all the roads, then people.
Speaker 5: Can't survive. You know, they don't know.
Speaker 4: How to because they haven't had the need to do
that before, and so a lot of people die and
a lot of people get hurt and suffer because they
don't have the capabilities to be able to do for themselves. Now,
the people in the olden days may not have had
the same level of medicine or police officers and stuff,
but if a hurricane came through, they knew how to survive,
you know, they knew where to go, and they knew
how to find food. Their normal food source was wiped out,
and so they had a lot.
Speaker 5: Of other options.
Speaker 4: And so I see the same thing here. I don't
knock what technology is doing. What I do say is
that we have to be careful to make it overpower
our own development of our species in the capacities that
we already have. So it's great that I can wave
my hand and my television or my lights turn off.
But there is a capacity to do that, and I
think that now is the time, probably more so than
some many other times, where we could really dive into that.
Before we didn't have the technology. So in ancient times,
we didn't have this type of technology that we had today.
So those ancients really relied on these skills a lot more,
and then as we started to develop more and more technology,
these skills became useless or people started shooting them at
the weight off by the wayside. But I think as
we start to develop as man as a species, that
we have that kind of choice between what we call transhumanism,
where I'm a human with a lot of technology inside
of me or as a part of me, and then
a human who uses some level of technology but really
dives deep into their divine technology. Because I think that's
really what we need is more togetherness and connectedness, not
in a superficial technological way, but in a real way
that allows us to really understand each other. And what
you see now as young kids, they can't even hold
a conversation with each other.
Speaker 5: They can't, you know.
Speaker 4: I remember seeing two kids at my school sitting right
next to each other literally, and I said, you guys,
I thought you guys were friends. You're sitting right next
to each other. You're not even talking to each other.
They were like, oh, yeah, we're texting each other. And
I was just like, wait, you're literally sitting right next
to each other. Why are you texting each other? Oh,
it's just what we do, well, why don't you just
look at each other and talk, you know, like right like,
it was so dumbfounding to me. I was like, what
is happening right now? You know, like we're sitting in
the chair right next to each other and we're not
even talking.
Speaker 5: We're talking through texts. That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4: Unless they were talking about something super secret, which they
said they weren't. But you know, it's just wild, you know,
And that's not an unnatural story. I've heard other parents
say that they've had similar examples with their kids or situations.
Speaker 5: So we are no longer using our.
Speaker 4: Physical capabilities, and because of that, we're losing those physical capabilities,
those mental, those spiritual, those energetic abilities, And so how
do we can how The answer is not supplementing or replacing.
I think the answer is how do we unify and
really develop that, you know, in conjunction with whatever technology
is doing. That's great, but we also need to develop
our own divine technology as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And do you think that stress or trauma
can inhibit side development?
Speaker 4: Actually, from what they've studied, from what some studies are showing,
trauma can help enhance and develop sigh abilities, Right, and so.
Speaker 5: Quite often people who.
Speaker 4: Have had a lot of trauma in their life learn
to disassociate, and in that disassociation they learn or they
develop these capacities, these psig capacities. And then if you
look at some of the ancient traditions, especially yoga, these
yogis start to lose their ego and lose their attachment
to like the physical realm and their ego, and in
doing so, I would argue that that also is like,
you know, disassociation to some level. And so then they
find that those yogis and yoginis start to develop these
abilities as well. So I think the key is this
kind of like letting go and this disassociation from what
is my body and my e go and and that
can you can do? You can come to that arrive
at that in two different ways, it seems primarily when
it's through meditation and deep reflection, and the other is
through trauma, in which your ego or your body your
mind tries to protect you by allowing you to disconnect
from your physical self.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's interesting. And what do you feel about consciouness.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like consciousns is local in the brain
or do you think we're we're receiving, like we're an
antenna for consciousness and it's coming.
Speaker 4: From Yeah, I think it makes sense for me that
consciousness is coming from out there somewhere and that we
as human beings, like we are a antenna or a
receiver and we receive that. And you know, there's so
many scientists who are coming out with good data and
research on these ideas that people have no knowledge of
something and then they have a knowledge of something through
like an accident or something of that nature.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 4: There's these ideas of like musing. I remember listening to
a story about Nikola Tesla and what happened with him,
and apparently, you know, he had flunked out of school
or not flunked out. He just kind of like gave
up because he was like, it's not you know enough
for me. I'm looking for something different. He's at home,
he's walking in a field and he's looking at the
sun and somehow miraculously he gets the idea for ac
current and then not only that, but he also has
the capability and then know how to develop it, you know.
And so when you think about stuff like this, you're like,
where did that?
Speaker 5: Where does that come from.
Speaker 4: Is that just a I mean, one person might say well,
or a skeptic might say, hey, he just got lucky.
He might have studied some math here, math there, and
then it just kind of happened for him, you know,
his brain just put it together in this really unique
way at this moment in time.
Speaker 5: Or to listen to his own.
Speaker 4: Story, it seemed almost magically miraculous, like I'm just hanging
out in the field staring at the sun, and all
of a sudden, I'm like Eureka, ac current, and here's
to know how to be able to build it, you know,
only months after I decided I was going to leave school,
you know.
Speaker 3: Like so.
Speaker 4: So sometimes these things seem to be happening in these
very miraculous ways. And maybe we could just keep saying
that all those people were just lucky or crazy, or
they might have had some information that they didn't have before,
or maybe we just give them the benefit of it,
or we give a bit of a look at it
from another perspective and say that maybe there's some knowledge
out there circulating and every so often one of us,
or two of us, or maybe a couple of us
tap into it, and based on where we are in
our time and our life and what our sources are.
Out of the five that get it, only one or
two are actually able to make it come to fruition,
you know, and so and then we we don't always
get an opportunity to communicate that to people because we
just kind of shrug it off. And then the other
people who got the message, I mean, it's you know,
billions of people on the planet. So the chances of
there the message getting to five people and you actually
meeting another one of those five people if you got the.
Speaker 5: Message, it's kind of low.
Speaker 4: In my case, I got really oddly lucky that I
met already two people who had the idea of a
side games type thing but weren't able to pull it off.
And I'm like, out of all of the people in
the world, I just happened to know how many people
could have gotten this message, you know, And then I'm
one of the two. Actually I guess three, because I
know a friend who runs the Rhine Institute and they
were also doing something called the side games. They did
like one like way back when, and you know, before
I was.
Speaker 5: Even involved, and I didn't even know about it, and
then I did.
Speaker 4: It, and then they were like, hey, we tried this
thing or we did something like this before, and I
was like, are you kidding me? What? So, like, yeah,
the message was getting to people, but nobody had taken
it to a level in which we we've taken it to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what do you what are you excited about
the most about the future of the SI Games.
Speaker 4: I'm excited the most to see us as a community
come together in a cross generational way, and cross generational
mean that there's no longer lip service being fed to
the idea of the future. Where I've met so many
I've gone to so many conferences and everybody's talking about.
Speaker 5: The future, the future, the future, the future.
Speaker 4: And then you're looking around and everybody's in their fifties
and above, and so I'm like nobody. I'm like, okay, well,
we're actually the present, in the past, not the future,
Like how are we getting it to the people who
are in the future if they're not even here? You know,
in the future is the kids and the people who
are in their twenties. They are the future, so we
need to make it more accessible to them. So one
of the things that I'm truly proud of and happy
to see happening at the Side Games is that we
have a kid's room and we have several different games
going on in the kid's room to help them develop
their side and trainings, and we have you know, mentors
and instructors going in there to help them. And then
the other thing that we have which is super amazing
is we have the Kid's panel. So we have the
first that I know of might have been somewhere else,
somewhere else, you know, done where we have the first
kids panel run by kids. So we have a moderator
that is a thirteen year old young man. We have
two other young men, and we have two other young girls,
and they're all having a discussion about what SI means
to them and how they develop their SI and how
they've had experiences with it. So now other kids in
the world can hear from kids like them about what
SI is and that they're not unnormal, they're not weird
or anything if they have these abilities, but this is
natural and it's something that other kids are out there
doing as well, and so I'm really proud of that,
I think more so than anything else that's going to
happen at the Side Games, watching young people talk about
and build a community for themselves around. This is something
that I'm truly happy about.
Speaker 2: I love it, man, I love it. And where does
this take place?
Speaker 3: And can people buy general admission tickets to come see
it and witness it in person?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll actually give you a disc out cold so
you can share it with your people on your platform.
Speaker 5: But yeah, you can go. We have it this year.
It's coming up in about two and a half weeks.
Speaker 4: It's called It's in Charlotte, North Carolina at the Weston Hotel.
It is July thirty first through August second, and it
is going to be a blast. It's gonna Side Games
International twenty twenty six is going to be amazing. And
so we still have tickets available if anybody's out there
who wants to get involved.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, my moderator, Jason, my good friend.
Speaker 3: You put people still the link up on the on
the And are you going to live stream this event
or are you just doing it in person?
Speaker 5: No, right now, we're just doing it in person.
Speaker 4: We'll have a lot of media coverage there, but we're
not going to live stream just because live stream is
a beast within itself and we've not been able to.
Speaker 5: We have so many things that.
Speaker 4: We're just trying to iron out as a really strong
event before we go to that next stage.
Speaker 2: But we will be uh soon, okay, all right, yeah, well,
thank you, thank you so much for taking your time
to talk to us. I really enjoyed this. Yeah, and
any anything else you'd like to share before we finish up,
and thank you a game. This was awesome, No, thank you.
Speaker 4: I think the only thing that I would say is
shareworthy is, you know, just to invite to people to
even if they can't make it to the event, just
go to side games online dot com and just start
playing and having a good time and sharing that with
your friends and all of that stuff. I think it's
going to be something that really changes the world. There's
not there's not a site like it out there, and
people just get to have so much fun with the game.
Speaker 5: So I think that's really cool.
Speaker 2: One day, I wanted to ask you one more thing.
I want to ask you.
Speaker 3: My friend Michelle has been telling me this and like
I want to get your opinion on it. Do you
feel like if like, as humans are evolving This is
kind of like a twofold question. And Okay, so my
friend Michelle's been telling me she feels like like since
we're evolving, like she feels like she's losing some of
her physical senses, but she's gaining spiritual senses. Like She's like,
like some of the stuff you're talking about, like mindsight
and stuff like that, do you think that's possible or
do you see that happening like or do you think
it's possible if we lose a sense in this, in this,
in this physical reality to gain a more spiritual sense.
Speaker 5: I thought, I definitely think that's possible. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I want to lose my my
my earthly senses as I become spiritual. I would love
to have be able to tap into both. Yeah, I'm
a I'm a an and versus an either or a guy.
And one of the things that I think that I
do relate with in that statement is that I was
talking to a scientist not long ago and a friend,
and I was saying, how the more I meditate, the
more I spend in nature, I start.
Speaker 5: Feeling less and less here, or not less and less.
Speaker 4: But I don't always feel like I'm here, like I
feel like I'm somewhere else, like in a dream almost
like like I'm I'm here physically, but I'm there too.
And I remember telling the science is that and he said,
that's kind of natural amongst very spiritual people. I said,
what do you mean? He said, it's almost like you're
in a superposition, like until you decide what you're going
like to actually do something like say I'm just sitting here,
you're you're there and here at the same time, and
then you decide, oh, I want to be here because
I want to take part in this conversation, so then
you you come. But I've I've sat at many of
tables with people and they thought something was wrong and
I'm like, no, I'm nothing's wrong.
Speaker 5: I'm here with you.
Speaker 4: But then also when I stop to examine why they
said that, I found that huh, Actually, it does feel
like I'm somewhere else and here at the same time.
Speaker 5: That's probably what they're picking up on.
Speaker 4: Like I just kind of feel like I'm I'm present,
but I'm not present, like I'm I'm present in a
greater expanded way. And and that's a very wild feeling.
And it's very difficult to tell people how that feels,
you know. It just kind of feels like my boundaries
of me physically kind of like disappear, and I just
start feeling like I'm a little bit of everywhere, and
that's that's really wild, and so I can relate to
that in some degree. But I wouldn't want that to
happen or overtake my natural senses, my physical basic senses.
I would like to have it as a part of
that grand plate of different senses that I could tap into.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, well this is this is an amazing interview. Yeah, well,
thank you so much much and I'd love to have
you back on again. And yeah, good luck with the
side games this year and I hope.
Speaker 2: It goes well. And yeah, and thank you game, thank you.
All right, have a good day, Thanks guys,