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Speaker 1: Hm, Welcome to the Typical Skeptic pad chest where we

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Speaker 1: St hockey, black cops in the sky, from the anxious

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reality you can't resistant twist soul trip snapping, breathing condition mapping.

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Speaker 2: And dreams and your divisions, out of body missions, waking

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Speaker 1: Supre kings, ringing bells here to freedom ring just sleeping

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome to Typical Skeptic Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, everybody. I'm really excited about my guest today.

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Speaker 3: He's a return guests back for his second show with

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us and I have with me the amazing Hakeem Isler.

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Hakeem is a master in martial arts, but he's also

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the founder of the sy Games. He's a consciousness researcher,

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a wilderness survival expert. As I said, martial artists, and

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instructure and instructor excuse me, and remote viewing in mindsight training,

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and this fascinating discussion will explore how ancient wisdom, modern

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science and discipline training may interest to expand human potential.

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We'll also discuss remote viewing, consciousness research, breath work, martial arts,

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mental resilience, wilderness survival, the Monroe Institute, and practical applications

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of side development. Topics include are not limited to, remote

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viewing in mindsight, human potential and consciousness, martial arts and

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mental discipline, wilderness survival, breath work and peak performance, yoga,

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and side development. Ethics of consciousness research such scientific investigation

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of pside phenomena. Then excuse me, the future, hope of

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future of human consciousness and I'm bringing them to the

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stage now. Hakeem, thank you so much for coming back

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on man.

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Speaker 4: How are you hey, Thanks man, I'm doing good. I

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appreciate being back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So for the people that might not saw our show

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first time. Tell us a little bit about yourself and

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how this all came into, you know.

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Speaker 4: Play for you, So which part I got a pretty

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crazy long history of things, you mean the side games or.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess we did everything kind of blend

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together because I see, like you you're like a You're

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like a nijitsu master, which means that used to done

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extensive study in martial arts. But then so I know

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there's an element of spirituality to martial arts. But then

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I also see your wilderness survivalists, so both of those

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things can kind of cross over into the realm we're

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talking about in this which is like consciousness and sigh ability?

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Was there were you kind of into those things first

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and then you kind of got into the more consciousness

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studies or how.

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Speaker 2: Did that work?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So, since I was young, I always was a little

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into the spiritual mystical elements or aspects of life, but

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that really became a strong portion of my life.

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Speaker 5: During my training in nijitsu.

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Speaker 4: So when I was about twenty one or so, I

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moved to North carol I mean sorry, not North Carolina, Daton,

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Ohio to train with the first American to go to

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Japan and bring the ninja system back to America, and

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I started training with that guy. And ninjitsu is very

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rooted in understanding of psychology, spirituality, you know, understanding nature

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and how we relate to nature. So I started to

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get immersed in it there, but I was still a

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young man, so I didn't spend a lot of time

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diving into those aspects, even though I did read a

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lot of books about it, and I did some stuff

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with my teacher, and then you know, joined the army,

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became very heavily rooted into the mental aspects of how

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humans operate, and got out into military and started spending

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more time in nature and found myself back into the

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idea of what it was like to connect with nature

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and be one with nature, and that led me.

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Speaker 5: To starting to research and.

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Speaker 4: Understand sy more and I got into the PSI aspect

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of what I was doing. So, yeah, that that kind

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of gives you like a quick overview of that journey, and.

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Speaker 3: Then you've actually went a step further and you developed

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the SI games. Like what have you been to the

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Monroe Institute? Because I know you, we I think we talked,

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, so about i'd say been five years or

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so now maybe, yeah, so I think it was like

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five years ago. I started diving into remote viewing a

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lot more so.

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Speaker 5: My teacher, my ninjitsu.

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Speaker 4: Teacher, would always talk about our kug seven, which is

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one of the ninja abilities or powers, the ability to

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see in a different time, in a different place, and

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he would refer this to the story about how when

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he first came back, he ended up linking up with

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this guy who worked at right pat Air Force Base,

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who was, you know, a super secret type spy research

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in different things, or not spy, but researcher. And that

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guy was interested in this thing called remote viewing and

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put together a small research study with some civilians and

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non civilians to study remote viewing.

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Speaker 5: And I would remember that all the time.

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Speaker 4: And about five years ago I had a student in

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my class who was pretending to be a martial arts

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character from this animation called Naruto, and I was like, hey,

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we have moved and mantras in our martial art and

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he was like, well, show me how to do these

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incredible powers that I see on television. You know, that's

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my grown up version of what he said as a

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nine year old. And I really didn't have a way

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to teach this kid really quickly how to like tap

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into those abilities. And so I started researching and saying, well,

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what is out there that would allow me to teach

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young folks how to tap into these abilities right away?

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And I thought, I remember my teacher talking about remote viewing,

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And I found out about remote viewing, started studying with

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Paul Smith, and then that led me to be able

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to train with a guy named Tom McNair who's one

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of Ingo's most successful students, and Ingo Swan and then

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I ended up saying, well, what else did these guys do?

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And I found out about the Monroe Institute. So then

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I went to train at the Monroe Institute and I

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did the Gateway program twice and that was just really amazing,

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so amazing that I ended up becoming one of the

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advisory board members from the Monroe Institute for a couple

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of years. And then I realized as I was going

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around training with all these remote viewers are trained with

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Joe mcmonacle, Bill ray Lynn Buchanan, Angela Thompson, Smith, Paul Smith,

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you know Tom McNeair.

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Speaker 5: So I was like, okay, well this is.

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Speaker 4: I love this, but this is a little complicated. I

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need I need something that kids can access pretty easy.

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And then that led me to mindsight, so this idea

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of seeing without your eyes with a blindfold on, and

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so I started training with that and that was pretty

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amazing and I was like, Okay, this is cool. This

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is something that kids can pick up right away. And

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that kind of started me down this really deep rabbit

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hole of exploring these extrasensory perceptions or these abilities that

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we have as human beings. And somewhere in there I

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got this message about this thing called the SI Games,

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and I was just like, what is that, you know?

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just so far outside of my wheelhouse. And I was

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really doing this for me in my small school, like

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I can learn and then teach it to my kids

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at the school and the adults and kind of give

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people a really quick example that they're more than their

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physical bodies and they do have all of these capabilities.

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And it evolved into this thing called the SI Games,

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and I really fought it and fought it, but it

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kept coming back as a message. And then eventually I

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was like, okay, well let me give this a shot

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and see what this looks like. And I called up

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this Jeffrey Misch, love guy, you know, who's a really

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well known guy in the PSI community. And I thought

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he would tell me like, hey, kid, you know this,

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I tried this before, or tell me it wasn't worth it,

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and he was very optimistic and he's, look, I think

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now is the time to try it. I tried something

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like this forty years ago. It wasn't the time, but

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I think now is the time to try it, and

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you're the guy to do it. And I was like, well, okay,

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I'll give it a shot. And once I started, it

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just didn't stop. And now here we are about to

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have the second side games in two weeks.

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I remember the first time you came

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on my show. You were gearing up for the first

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one and you know, and I'm glad it went. Well,

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you know, are you getting Can I ask you a question?

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Are you getting like amazing like psychic confirmations and stuff

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like that, or like what's it?

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Speaker 2: How did the games unfold? Like what are the you

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where are the tests? Or like what? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So am I getting amazing confirmations that I'm on

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the path?

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Speaker 5: Yes, like that I'm on the right path.

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Speaker 4: I have been getting just that there's been so many miraculous,

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very outside of the box experiences that have shown me

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that I am moving in the right direction, and it's

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been super amazing for me. I've just really been blown

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away about how many connections I've made, how many people

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who have miraculously popped up just when I needed these

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people in my life to help me solve a problem

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or help me get over a hump or you know.

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Speaker 5: And so for me, it really is going into that

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realm of.

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Speaker 4: Confirmation, psychic confirmation, and it really highlights that something out

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there in the universe or in the world really wants

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to see this happen for mankind. And that's why I

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don't even call myself really the founder. I call myself

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the founding Stuart, like I feel like I was given

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this message as to stewart it. And the more I

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talk to people, I meet other people who have had

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a similar idea but they were not able to get

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it off.

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Speaker 5: The ground for whatever reason. And so I'm not the

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only one now that.

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Speaker 4: I know that has had this idea, and a lot

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of people have had it way longer than I did,

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you know.

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Speaker 5: So then it was like, well, why did I get it?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 5: And maybe the reason I got it was because I

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was going to be the guy that.

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Speaker 4: Was finally chosen to be able to do it, you know,

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I had the connections and the people and the energy

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to make it happen. And so I definitely feel like

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there's something here psychically, but something also energetically that allows

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this to actually come into fruition, and and I get confirmation.

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Speaker 5: Of that all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, what what is that? What is like a

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breakdown of the games? Like what are what are the

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some of the the like what are some of the

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contests that you have for the game?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we have five categories, five disciplines. We have

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psyches mindsight, which is the ability to see without your eyes.

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we have psychokinesis. And so in each one of those

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we have like two or three games that people have

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to play, and how well they do allows them to

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move on to the next level of a new game.

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Speaker 5: Right, so if you can imagine, we have three different games,

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Speaker 4: Know, we start with eight people and the top four

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scores from that first game move on to the second game,

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and then the top two from that game move on

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to the third game, and then we you know, we

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kind of have these elimination challenges and then at the end,

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the last person standing in that genre is the first

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place winner. Right, So that's how we that's how we've

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been moving up to this point, so that that gives

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out of those twenty different possible choice, one couple of

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able to tap into your precognitive ability to see, well,

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what are the correct answers that I'm going to see

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in the future, and then if they and then be

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able to draw those down or write that down, and

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well you got this, this and this right. And so

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number that you can get right just by chance, you know,

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one out of twenty. But then maybe if you get

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like seven right, then you know that that's saying something

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you know and so, and then if you move on

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to the next round, the next round is actually a

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different game and it's harder. So then if you do

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well in that game, then we start building this idea

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that a statistical significance and a person can start to

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and would you say that, like, how much

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of siability is natural talent versus discipline practice or can

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it be both?

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Speaker 5: I think that it's both.

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type of ability it seems that way, like an Ingo

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Swan or Joe mcmonaicle. And then there are other people

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who have to work at it. And I don't even

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know if the people with talent don't have to work

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at it. I think they have to too if they

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want to make it get better. But some people have

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a very low threshold of where they're able to do this,

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and then those people can get better. I've seen it

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with myself in like psychokinesis, Like it wasn't something that

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I was just naturally doing maybe in some ways, some

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people might argue that my ability to manifest things into

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existence is a version of psychokinesis, and that I was

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very you know, I was very adept in that particular place.

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ability to grow through my continued practice things that would

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take me. For instance, I can put the ugly wheel

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under glass and make it spin. When I first started

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doing that, it would take me like twenty minutes or

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thirty minutes to make that happen. And now I just

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in the morning, I'll just get up, I'll sit in

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the table, drink my cup of coffee, put it under glass,

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and then within a couple of minutes it's spinning. And

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hands as a conduit, but actually just looking at it

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and seeing if I can make it spin. And I've

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seen it get better where it's starting to it's starting

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to slowly inch back and forth and then start to move.

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around and around under the glass. Yet. But that's but

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what I'm seeing is that what I'm saying, and when

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I'm seeing is that I've gone from like not being

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able to do that to practice, practice, practice, practice, all

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of a sudden, I can do it, practice, practice, practice.

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do it starts to get shorter. And so from my

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own experience, practice does allow you to develop and grow

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these ability.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and with that said, how much do you do

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how much do you think that reality is valuable or

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how much your reality do you think we can change

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with our siability and stuff like that.

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Speaker 5: I think that stands to be determined. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I do know that, you know for my own personal

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life that I've been able to bring things into existence

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that I just didn't I could never imagine. And some

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of that may be that I'm just precognating, like that future,

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and so I think that I'm bringing it into existence

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because I said it or I saw it and then

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it happened, or really maybe I just saw the future

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and it I kind of had this that it was

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going to happen, and it happened because I saw some

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portion of the future. It's kind of tough to know,

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but I do think that there is an ability to

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influence our surroundings in our environment.

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Speaker 5: I have to think that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've done psychokinesis and I've seen it in

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real time. Now to what scale that is, I think

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it remains to be seen. And that's why events like

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the side Games, and then also the training website that

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we have out now side Games Online, where you can

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just go and play games, these different games that are

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designed to help you build these abilities, are so important

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because as people start to play and have fun with

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these abilities, they will start to see their abilities grow

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and develop. And then you know, five years from now,

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what we thought was impossible, it could very well be

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possible because we just have a bunch of people training

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at it consistently.

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Speaker 2: You know, That's that's a really good point.

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Speaker 3: So how does one access these exercises and and and

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and with that to kind of back up on that question,

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how does someone know if they're right?

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Speaker 2: I mean, or how can someone qualify for the side games?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So, so first off, our qualification and both your answer

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Speaker 5: It's free.

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Speaker 4: We have about seven games on there that you can

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one of these different disciplines. So psychokinesis precognition, dowsing, you know, mindsight,

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and remote viewing. So you could just start playing those games.

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in the side games and let's say, be what we

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call a perceptualist, which essentially is a competitive but we

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call them perceptualists, then we would say, okay, if you

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want to be considered as a perceptualist, you need to

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go to side games online and play these games so

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we can register how how high above statistical significance or

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high above chance that you are scoring, so we know

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that you can really do the thing.

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Speaker 5: So it's our pre.

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Speaker 4: Screening as well as just a game you can play

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online to develop develop your talents.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome, man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was gonna say, dumb back to the

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martial arts thing, like and this is a fascinating interview

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so far, so thank you, but like, come back to

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martial arts.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how I think I know the answer to this,

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but I'd love for the audience to hear How How

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how does one's tyche have to be tuned to be

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as successful martial artists?

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Speaker 5: I think with martial art.

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Speaker 4: With martial arts, the key is discipline and resilience. Those

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two things together are really important martial art. There'll be

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some things that are really easy, There'll be all types

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of life issues that come at you. And what makes

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a good martial artist, in my opinion, is somebody who's

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very disciplined, who continues to work hard, who continues to

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push themselves, who continues to learn and grow. For me personally,

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I've been doing martial arts since I was eight years old.

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So it's forty one years now that I've been doing

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martial arts that I've not stopped. And so you know,

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when I look back on that, I say, well, you know,

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the biggest thing for me is my sticktuitiveness, my ability

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to just keep doing it, you know. And when I

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see so many kids at my own for the last

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eighteen years, I've run a martial arts school, and you know,

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after two years, a kid, you know, or an adult says, oh, well,

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you know, yeah, I just want to try something new,

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you know, and so it's like, wow, you know, you

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haven't even made it to your goal. Yet now you're

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ready to try something new. Which you can't fault people

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for people you know have things. But I think what

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really makes a good martial artist is somebody who's willing

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to always find something new and the thing that they've

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been doing for a very long time and give themselves

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the opportunity to explore that. And I was telling a

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friend about this the other day, where I was saying,

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there was a time, you know, like I was, I've

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been lucky. I had two grand masters that passed away

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recently in Malaysia, two of my grandmasters, and I recorded

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everything I did.

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Speaker 5: With them, like everything, and.

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Speaker 4: And somebody said to me one day, was like, well,

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don't you just have all that stuff in your head?

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Speaker 5: I said, well not really.

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Speaker 4: You know, first off, these guys had a lifetime worth

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of knowledge. I'm not going to remember all of that

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in ten years of training with them.

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Speaker 2: Ye.

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Speaker 4: The other aspect is that where I was ten years

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ago when I was training with them and they showed

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me this, I might be different now. So what I

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was looking at and paying attention to when they first

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showed it to me. Let's say they showed me a

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technique that had handwork and footwork well at the time,

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trying to learn both of those was too overwhelming, So

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I just focused on the handwork. That was what was

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important to me at that time. And then I've been

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training that for all these years. And one day I

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go back and I look at the videos and I'm like, oh, yeah,

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that video. I look at the video and I find

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out WHOA I didn't even see what he was doing

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with his feet because I wasn't even paying attention to

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his feet back then. I was all about up here

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with the hands. And now I'm looking at his feet,

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and I realized he's doing this little tricky move with

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his feet to like keep the person for moving. And

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now looking at the world differently. Because I'm looking at

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the world differently, I actually see different things than what

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I've seen before.

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Speaker 5: And that's very important for us as we continue whatever

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journey that we are.

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Speaker 4: The way you looked at the world when you were

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five is not the way you should be looking. Well,

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I can't tell a person what to do, but it

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would probably be who of you not to be looking

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at the world the same way you were when you

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were five years old.

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Speaker 5: You know, you're out on your own. Now you're like paying.

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Speaker 4: Bills, you got a job. You didn't have any of

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that when you were five. So maybe when you were five,

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a dollar was a lot to you. But now as

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a thirty forty fifty year old person, you're thinking to yourself, like,

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whoa a dollar is?

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Speaker 5: Like not much at all.

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Speaker 4: I can't do much with that, not even at the

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dollar store, you know. So my perspective has changed because

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I'm a different person. I know different things, I see

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the world differently. And so that is those two things,

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discipline and resilience is I think the key.

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Speaker 2: Say that.

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Speaker 3: And regarding nijitsu, they trained mindsight in that right, Like

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I know, I watched like some like ninja masters over

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the years that they I remember I grew up, I was.

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I was in the martial arts my whole childhood too,

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magazine that say, like learn ninja mind powers and like

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and and and I remember seeing movies where they would

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train them to like to be like train mind sight

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without vision, right or is that is that is that

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common thing in ninja too?

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Speaker 5: It is to some degree.

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Speaker 4: So we have like the Saki test, which is this

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ability to read and feel negative intention and being able

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to move your body in a certain way to avoid

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that negative energy.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: So in this particular case, it's a sword that they're

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trying to hit you on the top of the head

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with and you you have your eyes closed in there

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behind you, and you just have to sense when that's

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about to happen to move out of away. Oh you

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can't see you can't see it with your eyes. And

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so that would be one of the examples, but there's

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tons of different exis. The difference is, in my opinion,

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is that the ninja training tends to be long term

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training that you have to do over a long period

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of time. It's very experiential, and some of the some

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of these other trainings, like Mindsight, you can get.

482
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 5: I know a lady, the lady who won last.

483
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 4: Year's side Games, she had only started Mindsight a year before.

484
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:32,319
She actually blew everybody out of the water with with

485
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:35,640
what she how she performed at side games. And so

486
00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:39,279
when you look at that, you say, okay, well, I've

487
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,000
been doing this experiential training over time and I got

488
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:45,720
to a certain level, but it was not even close

489
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:47,279
to what this lady's level is.

490
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,519
Speaker 5: So there's a way to to kind of.

491
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 4: Cliff note it, you know, and like get there faster

492
00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:58,039
or shortcut it. But I think both are very important.

493
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,960
I think the faster you get there means that you

494
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,680
have to have some some level or some strong understanding

495
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:11,599
about ethics, because ethics is super important. The more experiential

496
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:17,039
training that takes time. I believe that from my understanding

497
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,599
from wisdom traditions, that time was supposed to refine you

498
00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:24,279
as a person and to help you develop the ethical

499
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,440
you know, knowledge to help you use these abilities properly

500
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:33,279
and not use them in the wrong way.

501
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, what what what is the most thing to

502
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:40,440
use or what is what have you seen?

503
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 3: It's kind of most blew you away at sagame, like

504
00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:47,240
was anything really likes kind of like like like something

505
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:48,400
psychokinesis or.

506
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:48,799
Speaker 5: Something like that.

507
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,279
Speaker 4: No, I think the thing that blew me away to

508
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,079
most was the mind sight. Mindsight just blew me out

509
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,839
of the water because based on my own training, I

510
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,640
was like, okay, well I'm to choose these competitions where

511
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,640
you have to like put these widden donuts on like

512
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,640
a peg of the same color, and so you had

513
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,880
to do sorting, and then you had to do spatial

514
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,400
awareness and all this stuff all at the same time.

515
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,920
And I was like, well, a person should be able

516
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,559
to do pretty decent in about five minutes, right, and

517
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,440
they're not going to get them all, but they'll get

518
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:26,240
some of them. Well, the girl, the woman who wanted

519
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,920
her name was Dahlia. She did all of them in

520
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:31,160
under a minute.

521
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: Blew everybody out of the water.

522
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 5: I was like, what is happening?

523
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,359
Speaker 4: But since then, what has happened, which is the true

524
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,720
goal of the side games. It has inspired a whole

525
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:48,240
movement of people to want to now be come better

526
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:52,480
at this and so that is the ultimate goal, is

527
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:56,759
how do you inspire people to then be motivated to

528
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,759
do the homework, you know, and start really growing in

529
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:02,680
their own way. And so that's one of the things

530
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:06,440
that really surprised me and shocked me last year was

531
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,319
how well she did.

532
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jason mentioned, did you guys do a demo of

533
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,160
the telepathy tapes as well?

534
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,079
Speaker 4: One of the young ladies who was being who at

535
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:22,279
one point was being researched and interviewed by the Telepathy

536
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:25,559
Tapes people, or some of them at least from what

537
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:31,519
I understand, she's a young autistic woman and she basically

538
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:35,000
did a demo for us where she was able to

539
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,519
read certain information that she would not have otherwise had

540
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,079
access to and that was pretty amazing.

541
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:44,359
Speaker 5: And this year we're doing several demonstrations.

542
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 4: You know, one of the big debates or big arguments

543
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:53,559
is people are always saying that blind, these blind individuals

544
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:58,759
are looking around targets or looking around there blindfolds or whatever.

545
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,920
And so we have a demonstration being done this year

546
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:04,680
by a man who has no eyes.

547
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: And so.

548
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:11,119
Speaker 4: So if people try to say, you know, this guy

549
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,680
is seeing and he's doing it with his eyes, well

550
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,599
he doesn't have any eyes, so he can't be doing

551
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,200
it with his eyes.

552
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:18,799
Speaker 5: And so we're gonna we're gonna show that this year.

553
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,119
Speaker 2: What what do you think that?

554
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: I mean this this raises a really big ethical question

555
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:26,759
right now because like I don't know if you saw,

556
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:32,160
like Elon musk is Uh is offering some pretty promising

557
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:33,720
things with his technology.

558
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: I think there's this guy.

559
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: They showed him online, They put the first ship in him,

560
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,119
and he's able to do some weird things like he's

561
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,160
able to levitate and he's able to you know, make

562
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:46,640
soda up here out of it and nowhere, you know,

563
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:49,319
And like I mean when I saw this stuff a team,

564
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,079
I was like blown away, But then I was like,

565
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:53,880
you know, it's it kind of defeats like what we're

566
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:58,119
trying to do like naturally, you know, and maybe what

567
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,480
we can do naturally, you know what I mean. So

568
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,720
it's like, do you do you feel that we should

569
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,240
be more ethical and we should rely more on our

570
00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:09,640
natural abilities or do you feel like something like like

571
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,000
that technology can help us and there can be a

572
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:13,799
healthy balance.

573
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we saw this, and we see this in

574
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,480
the survival world, right. So in survival, wilderness survival, one

575
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:26,240
of the things that people have, like technology is great,

576
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,000
and if you can use technology, that's great, but it's

577
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:33,200
also good to have a good understanding of how to

578
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:37,640
use your own technology or natural technology. And when people

579
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:42,200
fail to do that, we see very bad results when

580
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:46,160
things go wrong. So, for instance, again speaking about survival

581
00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:50,519
me as a survival instructor, when people fail to set

582
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,799
food aside or clean water and have a backup plan,

583
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,279
then when a hurricane comes through and takes out their

584
00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:00,079
power and knocks out all the roads, then people.

585
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,759
Speaker 5: Can't survive. You know, they don't know.

586
00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:06,599
Speaker 4: How to because they haven't had the need to do

587
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,480
that before, and so a lot of people die and

588
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:12,960
a lot of people get hurt and suffer because they

589
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,440
don't have the capabilities to be able to do for themselves. Now,

590
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,279
the people in the olden days may not have had

591
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:23,640
the same level of medicine or police officers and stuff,

592
00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:27,240
but if a hurricane came through, they knew how to survive,

593
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,160
you know, they knew where to go, and they knew

594
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,559
how to find food. Their normal food source was wiped out,

595
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:34,799
and so they had a lot.

596
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,759
Speaker 5: Of other options.

597
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 4: And so I see the same thing here. I don't

598
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:41,759
knock what technology is doing. What I do say is

599
00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:45,279
that we have to be careful to make it overpower

600
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:52,000
our own development of our species in the capacities that

601
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:56,799
we already have. So it's great that I can wave

602
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,400
my hand and my television or my lights turn off.

603
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,759
But there is a capacity to do that, and I

604
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,119
think that now is the time, probably more so than

605
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,319
some many other times, where we could really dive into that.

606
00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:13,640
Before we didn't have the technology. So in ancient times,

607
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,160
we didn't have this type of technology that we had today.

608
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:20,799
So those ancients really relied on these skills a lot more,

609
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:24,759
and then as we started to develop more and more technology,

610
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,319
these skills became useless or people started shooting them at

611
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:32,359
the weight off by the wayside. But I think as

612
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,920
we start to develop as man as a species, that

613
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,920
we have that kind of choice between what we call transhumanism,

614
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,200
where I'm a human with a lot of technology inside

615
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:46,839
of me or as a part of me, and then

616
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,160
a human who uses some level of technology but really

617
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:55,599
dives deep into their divine technology. Because I think that's

618
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:02,279
really what we need is more togetherness and connectedness, not

619
00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:07,119
in a superficial technological way, but in a real way

620
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,239
that allows us to really understand each other. And what

621
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,840
you see now as young kids, they can't even hold

622
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,159
a conversation with each other.

623
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:15,599
Speaker 5: They can't, you know.

624
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 4: I remember seeing two kids at my school sitting right

625
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,280
next to each other literally, and I said, you guys,

626
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,639
I thought you guys were friends. You're sitting right next

627
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,239
to each other. You're not even talking to each other.

628
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,079
They were like, oh, yeah, we're texting each other. And

629
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,480
I was just like, wait, you're literally sitting right next

630
00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:35,239
to each other. Why are you texting each other? Oh,

631
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,760
it's just what we do, well, why don't you just

632
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,440
look at each other and talk, you know, like right like,

633
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,320
it was so dumbfounding to me. I was like, what

634
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:48,199
is happening right now? You know, like we're sitting in

635
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,000
the chair right next to each other and we're not

636
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:50,679
even talking.

637
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,639
Speaker 5: We're talking through texts. That doesn't make any sense.

638
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:58,039
Speaker 4: Unless they were talking about something super secret, which they

639
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:02,119
said they weren't. But you know, it's just wild, you know,

640
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:05,679
And that's not an unnatural story. I've heard other parents

641
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,719
say that they've had similar examples with their kids or situations.

642
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,079
Speaker 5: So we are no longer using our.

643
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 4: Physical capabilities, and because of that, we're losing those physical capabilities,

644
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:25,039
those mental, those spiritual, those energetic abilities, And so how

645
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:29,199
do we can how The answer is not supplementing or replacing.

646
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,880
I think the answer is how do we unify and

647
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:36,559
really develop that, you know, in conjunction with whatever technology

648
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:40,119
is doing. That's great, but we also need to develop

649
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:42,039
our own divine technology as well.

650
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And do you think that stress or trauma

651
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,239
can inhibit side development?

652
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,119
Speaker 4: Actually, from what they've studied, from what some studies are showing,

653
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:04,519
trauma can help enhance and develop sigh abilities, Right, and so.

654
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,199
Speaker 5: Quite often people who.

655
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 4: Have had a lot of trauma in their life learn

656
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:16,239
to disassociate, and in that disassociation they learn or they

657
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:22,400
develop these capacities, these psig capacities. And then if you

658
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,119
look at some of the ancient traditions, especially yoga, these

659
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,719
yogis start to lose their ego and lose their attachment

660
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,440
to like the physical realm and their ego, and in

661
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:40,719
doing so, I would argue that that also is like,

662
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:45,599
you know, disassociation to some level. And so then they

663
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,079
find that those yogis and yoginis start to develop these

664
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:55,119
abilities as well. So I think the key is this

665
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,440
kind of like letting go and this disassociation from what

666
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:02,239
is my body and my e go and and that

667
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,760
can you can do? You can come to that arrive

668
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,039
at that in two different ways, it seems primarily when

669
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:12,880
it's through meditation and deep reflection, and the other is

670
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,159
through trauma, in which your ego or your body your

671
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,360
mind tries to protect you by allowing you to disconnect

672
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,920
from your physical self.

673
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's interesting. And what do you feel about consciouness.

674
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,519
Speaker 3: Do you feel like consciousns is local in the brain

675
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,760
or do you think we're we're receiving, like we're an

676
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,719
antenna for consciousness and it's coming.

677
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 4: From Yeah, I think it makes sense for me that

678
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,119
consciousness is coming from out there somewhere and that we

679
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:46,840
as human beings, like we are a antenna or a

680
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,800
receiver and we receive that. And you know, there's so

681
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,760
many scientists who are coming out with good data and

682
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,800
research on these ideas that people have no knowledge of

683
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,079
something and then they have a knowledge of something through

684
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,440
like an accident or something of that nature.

685
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: And so.

686
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 4: There's these ideas of like musing. I remember listening to

687
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:13,079
a story about Nikola Tesla and what happened with him,

688
00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:17,000
and apparently, you know, he had flunked out of school

689
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,079
or not flunked out. He just kind of like gave

690
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:22,679
up because he was like, it's not you know enough

691
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,920
for me. I'm looking for something different. He's at home,

692
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:29,079
he's walking in a field and he's looking at the

693
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,079
sun and somehow miraculously he gets the idea for ac

694
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:39,760
current and then not only that, but he also has

695
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,760
the capability and then know how to develop it, you know.

696
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:46,760
And so when you think about stuff like this, you're like,

697
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:47,400
where did that?

698
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:48,559
Speaker 5: Where does that come from.

699
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,679
Speaker 4: Is that just a I mean, one person might say well,

700
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,599
or a skeptic might say, hey, he just got lucky.

701
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,559
He might have studied some math here, math there, and

702
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:01,800
then it just kind of happened for him, you know,

703
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,199
his brain just put it together in this really unique

704
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:05,840
way at this moment in time.

705
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 5: Or to listen to his own.

706
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 4: Story, it seemed almost magically miraculous, like I'm just hanging

707
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,159
out in the field staring at the sun, and all

708
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:20,679
of a sudden, I'm like Eureka, ac current, and here's

709
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,000
to know how to be able to build it, you know,

710
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:25,880
only months after I decided I was going to leave school,

711
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:26,159
you know.

712
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 3: Like so.

713
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 4: So sometimes these things seem to be happening in these

714
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:36,039
very miraculous ways. And maybe we could just keep saying

715
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:39,119
that all those people were just lucky or crazy, or

716
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:42,199
they might have had some information that they didn't have before,

717
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:44,440
or maybe we just give them the benefit of it,

718
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,199
or we give a bit of a look at it

719
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,679
from another perspective and say that maybe there's some knowledge

720
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,760
out there circulating and every so often one of us,

721
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,599
or two of us, or maybe a couple of us

722
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:57,920
tap into it, and based on where we are in

723
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:00,719
our time and our life and what our sources are.

724
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,679
Out of the five that get it, only one or

725
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,920
two are actually able to make it come to fruition,

726
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:11,039
you know, and so and then we we don't always

727
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:13,760
get an opportunity to communicate that to people because we

728
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,239
just kind of shrug it off. And then the other

729
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,760
people who got the message, I mean, it's you know,

730
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,559
billions of people on the planet. So the chances of

731
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:26,639
there the message getting to five people and you actually

732
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,159
meeting another one of those five people if you got the.

733
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,039
Speaker 5: Message, it's kind of low.

734
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 4: In my case, I got really oddly lucky that I

735
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:40,559
met already two people who had the idea of a

736
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,920
side games type thing but weren't able to pull it off.

737
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:48,039
And I'm like, out of all of the people in

738
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:51,360
the world, I just happened to know how many people

739
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,000
could have gotten this message, you know, And then I'm

740
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:57,360
one of the two. Actually I guess three, because I

741
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:00,840
know a friend who runs the Rhine Institute and they

742
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,360
were also doing something called the side games. They did

743
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:07,079
like one like way back when, and you know, before

744
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:07,360
I was.

745
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 5: Even involved, and I didn't even know about it, and

746
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:10,320
then I did.

747
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 4: It, and then they were like, hey, we tried this

748
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,599
thing or we did something like this before, and I

749
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,440
was like, are you kidding me? What? So, like, yeah,

750
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:23,159
the message was getting to people, but nobody had taken

751
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,400
it to a level in which we we've taken it to.

752
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what do you what are you excited about

753
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,119
the most about the future of the SI Games.

754
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 4: I'm excited the most to see us as a community

755
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:38,880
come together in a cross generational way, and cross generational

756
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:42,559
mean that there's no longer lip service being fed to

757
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:45,599
the idea of the future. Where I've met so many

758
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,599
I've gone to so many conferences and everybody's talking about.

759
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 5: The future, the future, the future, the future.

760
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,039
Speaker 4: And then you're looking around and everybody's in their fifties

761
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:56,239
and above, and so I'm like nobody. I'm like, okay, well,

762
00:41:56,639 --> 00:42:00,000
we're actually the present, in the past, not the future,

763
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:02,400
Like how are we getting it to the people who

764
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,679
are in the future if they're not even here? You know,

765
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,800
in the future is the kids and the people who

766
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,280
are in their twenties. They are the future, so we

767
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,320
need to make it more accessible to them. So one

768
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,239
of the things that I'm truly proud of and happy

769
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,960
to see happening at the Side Games is that we

770
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:24,920
have a kid's room and we have several different games

771
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,159
going on in the kid's room to help them develop

772
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,840
their side and trainings, and we have you know, mentors

773
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,880
and instructors going in there to help them. And then

774
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,679
the other thing that we have which is super amazing

775
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,760
is we have the Kid's panel. So we have the

776
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,840
first that I know of might have been somewhere else,

777
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:50,719
somewhere else, you know, done where we have the first

778
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,679
kids panel run by kids. So we have a moderator

779
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,679
that is a thirteen year old young man. We have

780
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:01,400
two other young men, and we have two other young girls,

781
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,920
and they're all having a discussion about what SI means

782
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:09,239
to them and how they develop their SI and how

783
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,039
they've had experiences with it. So now other kids in

784
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:16,639
the world can hear from kids like them about what

785
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,360
SI is and that they're not unnormal, they're not weird

786
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:25,519
or anything if they have these abilities, but this is

787
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:28,000
natural and it's something that other kids are out there

788
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:31,079
doing as well, and so I'm really proud of that,

789
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,840
I think more so than anything else that's going to

790
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,000
happen at the Side Games, watching young people talk about

791
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:44,000
and build a community for themselves around. This is something

792
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:46,119
that I'm truly happy about.

793
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: I love it, man, I love it. And where does

794
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,159
this take place?

795
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,159
Speaker 3: And can people buy general admission tickets to come see

796
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:57,320
it and witness it in person?

797
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:00,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll actually give you a disc out cold so

798
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,119
you can share it with your people on your platform.

799
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 5: But yeah, you can go. We have it this year.

800
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,519
It's coming up in about two and a half weeks.

801
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:14,119
Speaker 4: It's called It's in Charlotte, North Carolina at the Weston Hotel.

802
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,559
It is July thirty first through August second, and it

803
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,320
is going to be a blast. It's gonna Side Games

804
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:30,239
International twenty twenty six is going to be amazing. And

805
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,239
so we still have tickets available if anybody's out there

806
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,159
who wants to get involved.

807
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, my moderator, Jason, my good friend.

808
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,559
Speaker 3: You put people still the link up on the on

809
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,679
the And are you going to live stream this event

810
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,320
or are you just doing it in person?

811
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 5: No, right now, we're just doing it in person.

812
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:50,199
Speaker 4: We'll have a lot of media coverage there, but we're

813
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,960
not going to live stream just because live stream is

814
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,400
a beast within itself and we've not been able to.

815
00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 5: We have so many things that.

816
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,159
Speaker 4: We're just trying to iron out as a really strong

817
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,519
event before we go to that next stage.

818
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:09,039
Speaker 2: But we will be uh soon, okay, all right, yeah, well,

819
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:11,159
thank you, thank you so much for taking your time

820
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:12,920
to talk to us. I really enjoyed this. Yeah, and

821
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:16,199
any anything else you'd like to share before we finish up,

822
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,880
and thank you a game. This was awesome, No, thank you.

823
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:21,199
Speaker 4: I think the only thing that I would say is

824
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:25,199
shareworthy is, you know, just to invite to people to

825
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,119
even if they can't make it to the event, just

826
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,199
go to side games online dot com and just start

827
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,440
playing and having a good time and sharing that with

828
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:36,239
your friends and all of that stuff. I think it's

829
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,360
going to be something that really changes the world. There's

830
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,480
not there's not a site like it out there, and

831
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:44,039
people just get to have so much fun with the game.

832
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:45,599
Speaker 5: So I think that's really cool.

833
00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:47,559
Speaker 2: One day, I wanted to ask you one more thing.

834
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:48,119
I want to ask you.

835
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:50,199
Speaker 3: My friend Michelle has been telling me this and like

836
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,119
I want to get your opinion on it. Do you

837
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,280
feel like if like, as humans are evolving This is

838
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,079
kind of like a twofold question. And Okay, so my

839
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,400
friend Michelle's been telling me she feels like like since

840
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,320
we're evolving, like she feels like she's losing some of

841
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,360
her physical senses, but she's gaining spiritual senses. Like She's like,

842
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:11,840
like some of the stuff you're talking about, like mindsight

843
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,320
and stuff like that, do you think that's possible or

844
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,960
do you see that happening like or do you think

845
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,840
it's possible if we lose a sense in this, in this,

846
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,519
in this physical reality to gain a more spiritual sense.

847
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:29,559
Speaker 5: I thought, I definitely think that's possible. I don't know.

848
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 4: I don't know if I want to lose my my

849
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:39,079
my earthly senses as I become spiritual. I would love

850
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:42,840
to have be able to tap into both. Yeah, I'm

851
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,440
a I'm a an and versus an either or a guy.

852
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,800
And one of the things that I think that I

853
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,079
do relate with in that statement is that I was

854
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:56,639
talking to a scientist not long ago and a friend,

855
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,440
and I was saying, how the more I meditate, the

856
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:04,760
more I spend in nature, I start.

857
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:10,679
Speaker 5: Feeling less and less here, or not less and less.

858
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,559
Speaker 4: But I don't always feel like I'm here, like I

859
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:18,159
feel like I'm somewhere else, like in a dream almost

860
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,360
like like I'm I'm here physically, but I'm there too.

861
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,320
And I remember telling the science is that and he said,

862
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,679
that's kind of natural amongst very spiritual people. I said,

863
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:30,760
what do you mean? He said, it's almost like you're

864
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,000
in a superposition, like until you decide what you're going

865
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,719
like to actually do something like say I'm just sitting here,

866
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,519
you're you're there and here at the same time, and

867
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:44,039
then you decide, oh, I want to be here because

868
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:45,960
I want to take part in this conversation, so then

869
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,880
you you come. But I've I've sat at many of

870
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,639
tables with people and they thought something was wrong and

871
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,440
I'm like, no, I'm nothing's wrong.

872
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:56,199
Speaker 5: I'm here with you.

873
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,199
Speaker 4: But then also when I stop to examine why they

874
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,000
said that, I found that huh, Actually, it does feel

875
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:06,199
like I'm somewhere else and here at the same time.

876
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,639
Speaker 5: That's probably what they're picking up on.

877
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 4: Like I just kind of feel like I'm I'm present,

878
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,880
but I'm not present, like I'm I'm present in a

879
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:19,280
greater expanded way. And and that's a very wild feeling.

880
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,920
And it's very difficult to tell people how that feels,

881
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:27,880
you know. It just kind of feels like my boundaries

882
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:31,599
of me physically kind of like disappear, and I just

883
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:34,719
start feeling like I'm a little bit of everywhere, and

884
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,440
that's that's really wild, and so I can relate to

885
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:42,079
that in some degree. But I wouldn't want that to

886
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:47,239
happen or overtake my natural senses, my physical basic senses.

887
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,320
I would like to have it as a part of

888
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:54,320
that grand plate of different senses that I could tap into.

889
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, well this is this is an amazing interview. Yeah, well,

890
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,320
thank you so much much and I'd love to have

891
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,519
you back on again. And yeah, good luck with the

892
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:05,039
side games this year and I hope.

893
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 2: It goes well. And yeah, and thank you game, thank you.

894
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,000
All right, have a good day, Thanks guys,