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<v Speaker 1>Like sometimes we just think that, oh, I'm not, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not I'm just a nobody, you know, stuff that are like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not a nobody, You're you're You're the one that

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<v Speaker 1>God created as his own masterpiece.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Like for example, I don't know why I brought this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I felt this was led by God. One of

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<v Speaker 1>my Scoobyo collections. Again, this is you know, it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>a limited edition piece of Barbie as Scooby Doo Daphne.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was a limited edition in the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>not only a novel Daphne, but this was from the

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two Stimo Liang movie.

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<v Speaker 2>So the fact that it's a limited edition adds more

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<v Speaker 2>value to it because there's a very.

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<v Speaker 1>Few in number, and this is something that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>find very often and it was specially ordered. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you say that there's very few in number, and it

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<v Speaker 1>adds more value because it's limited edition, that you are

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<v Speaker 1>just one of a kind in this world because God

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<v Speaker 1>created you as one of his own masterpieces, then how

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<v Speaker 1>much more valuable you and I are that He wants

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<v Speaker 1>to go to any extent just for us.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so true, that's so good, and that's the word

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to share.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel that you have a very similar message

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<v Speaker 1>on telling people that you know, your message is unique,

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<v Speaker 1>your calling is unique. And I love many times when

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about and I think even about your yes

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<v Speaker 1>is God God's love even in your nose, I think, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so good. Guys, check out a YouTube channel by

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<v Speaker 2>the way.

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<v Speaker 1>And also you were talking about how even your awkwardness,

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<v Speaker 1>even the things that are weird.

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<v Speaker 2>About you, like the way no, no, you won't see.

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<v Speaker 1>Any normal guy bringing a Barbie doll for.

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<v Speaker 2>Message, But that's that's weird about me.

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<v Speaker 1>But I believe that what's weird about me is what

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<v Speaker 1>helps people to hear about him, you know. Like so likewise,

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<v Speaker 1>what are some awkward or weird ways you feel that

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<v Speaker 1>we can teach young people through the weirdness.

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<v Speaker 2>The awkwardness is the uniqueness. What's your dick on that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>I love man, I've never been asked that that's such

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<v Speaker 3>a good question. What weirdness can we bring? I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>I honestly think it's it's just whatever is yours. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the first thing that came to me, like, whatever is

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<v Speaker 3>your weirdness, whatever is your awkwardness. You know, for me,

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<v Speaker 3>there's been so many times in my life that I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is going to be really weird. This is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be really awkward. Things such as, you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't grow up in a household that really prayed

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<v Speaker 3>for one another. Like I had parents that believe, but

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<v Speaker 3>like we weren't the kind that were like, hey, you're

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<v Speaker 3>struggling with this, let me pray over you. I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>really have anybody pray over me till I after college,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was in the church and I and I

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<v Speaker 3>remember like this was just a couple of months ago,

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I pray over people a lot, but

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't pray over my family ever until like a

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<v Speaker 3>couple months ago, because I was like, this will be

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<v Speaker 3>so weird. This just isn't my family, and and I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, my siblings are gonna make fun of

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<v Speaker 3>me all this stuff. But I really did, like I

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<v Speaker 3>felt the conviction. And so to me, that's just an

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<v Speaker 3>example of one of when the Spirit led me to

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<v Speaker 3>this awkwardness. You also think too, Jesus like he lived

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<v Speaker 3>in the awkwardness. Can you imagine when he said to

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<v Speaker 3>the disciples, no, I'm going to wash your feet. Can

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<v Speaker 3>you imagine how awkward that was? I mean, like, actually, picture, actually,

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<v Speaker 3>picture if you work at like a company, or if

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<v Speaker 3>you I don't know Taylor Swift, I'm thinking of someone

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<v Speaker 3>who has a lot of notoriety. If she came in

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<v Speaker 3>and you were like, oh my god, and then she

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<v Speaker 3>was like, I'm going to wash your feet, you know

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<v Speaker 3>you just it would be so weird. It would be

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<v Speaker 3>so awkward. It was like your CEO of your fortune

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<v Speaker 3>five hundred company coming in and saying I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>clean up your inbox for you and respond to your

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<v Speaker 3>emails for you. You'd be like, stop, why are you

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<v Speaker 3>doing that?

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<v Speaker 2>That's so weird.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's living in that awkwardness. And I think Jesus

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<v Speaker 3>modeled to us by example. A lot of times the

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<v Speaker 3>blessings come from our obedience to just sitting in that

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<v Speaker 3>in between space where it's awkward, and that doesn't even

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<v Speaker 3>have to be for other people. We internally always have

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<v Speaker 3>so much awkwardness. Whether you're you're in between a diagnosis,

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<v Speaker 3>like you know something hurts, but you don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>it is yet. It's in between the healing of a relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>You know your marriage isn't great, but you don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what to do about it yet, you don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to look like yet, a friendship or like

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<v Speaker 3>whatever it is. You know you want to learn this thing,

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<v Speaker 3>but you don't know how. You know you want to

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<v Speaker 3>start a podcast, but you don't know how, you don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what it's going to start. As we all live

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<v Speaker 3>through awkwardness every single day, and I think, though, the

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<v Speaker 3>power in living that out and embracing it. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>same thing with vulnerability. I have a thing right above

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<v Speaker 3>my desk that says like real not perfect, because for me,

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<v Speaker 3>whenever I come on a podcast, the only thing that

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<v Speaker 3>makes me less nervous is when I remind myself, wait,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have to be perfect. I just have to

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<v Speaker 3>be honest. And when I'm honest, one, I never run

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<v Speaker 3>out of things to say because there's always something going on.

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<v Speaker 3>But two, it just loosens you up to know like,

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<v Speaker 3>no one's perfect. When you feel like you have to

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<v Speaker 3>be perfect, that's when you get so stiff and you

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<v Speaker 3>feel like you can't do anything because you're afraid of

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<v Speaker 3>doing the wrong thing. And so I think if we

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<v Speaker 3>just live into our vulnerabilities, when you live into yours,

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<v Speaker 3>you can help other people embrace theirs and then other

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<v Speaker 3>people live out theirs. So back to your question about

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<v Speaker 3>how do we inspire a generation coming up to like

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<v Speaker 3>live into that weirdness, live into that awkwardness, live into

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<v Speaker 3>that imperfection. It's by living out your own by example

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<v Speaker 3>and being vulnerable and sharing that you know, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to know because it's weird, but like for me, a

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<v Speaker 3>massive insecurity of mine. I struggle with this thing called

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<v Speaker 3>rosea Sha since I was a really little girl, like

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<v Speaker 3>my face will just get really red. And I remember

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<v Speaker 3>the first time on a podcast, I like took my

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<v Speaker 3>makeup off and shared it and I showed it, and

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<v Speaker 3>what's so cool is the responses I got. It was

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<v Speaker 3>not from anyone that had roseatia, it wasn't from the

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<v Speaker 3>thing that I had, But what it was was it

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<v Speaker 3>let people say, I'm struggling with this thing and it's

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<v Speaker 3>not that, but what you just did there helped me

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like take the makeup off this thing I'm

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<v Speaker 3>struggling with to know it's okay. And so that's what Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I have another episode called like no Makeup Prayers, and

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that's just the way our life needs

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<v Speaker 3>to be a prayer with no makeup on it. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not saying share everything you're going through with everybody. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not saying that even Jesus had like his three closest buds, right,

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<v Speaker 3>But what I am saying is living your life in

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<v Speaker 3>such a way that you're not making up your life

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<v Speaker 3>to be somebody you're not by putting on it's about

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<v Speaker 3>to be Halloween in the United States, by putting on

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<v Speaker 3>costumes and personas and things that you never were to

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<v Speaker 3>love the actual you because you're not letting them see you.

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<v Speaker 1>Many places, what happens is I don't know, you feel

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<v Speaker 1>hard about this, but there's a lot of this people

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<v Speaker 1>of other faiths they have is feeling like all these

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas are you only to come? You know, they have

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<v Speaker 1>this anti conversion and all of these things against Christians

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<v Speaker 1>because of that. And when I joined this new organization,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what I did, it always feel like they

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to be Okay. No one let me keep

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<v Speaker 1>film at a distance because they knew I was this

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<v Speaker 1>preacher guy. So they thought in the back of their

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<v Speaker 1>mind that I was only going to convert them.

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<v Speaker 2>So but you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So the real thing was being myself, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>being authentic, be sharing my feelings, sharing my emotions, and

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<v Speaker 1>the best thing of you know, one of my gifts

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<v Speaker 1>that I have is humor. People call them lame jokes,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just say that jokes don't have legs, so

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<v Speaker 1>they lame. But people call it dad jokes and all

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<v Speaker 1>of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But hey, that's my gift.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>That helped me break the ice with a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>and about in a theme of twenty three people, at

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<v Speaker 1>least eleven or twelve. I told me on my face

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<v Speaker 1>that we thought you're here only to convert, but I

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<v Speaker 1>realized that you are so genuine person and that helped

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<v Speaker 1>me to you know, I'm not saying that I've preached

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<v Speaker 1>the gospel to all of them or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but that helped me to build the relationships. Like coming

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<v Speaker 1>back to what you were talking about. By product, I

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<v Speaker 1>was reminded of this how we talk about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph reaching the throne, I mean not the throne, he

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<v Speaker 1>reached the palace.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody says I'm want to reach the palace, and like

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph did. But that came as a byproduct of him

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<v Speaker 1>investing in the cup Bearer's dream, right, it didn't come

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<v Speaker 1>just randomly, And how did he invest in the cup

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<v Speaker 1>bearers ream? If he just went to the cuppartit and

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<v Speaker 1>say hey, tell me your dream, that cup Barra will

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<v Speaker 1>you're not even talking to me. You're not even you know,

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<v Speaker 1>have you're this super holy Joe, Why should I share

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<v Speaker 1>my personal matters with you? So the fact that the

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<v Speaker 1>cup Berea shared the dream with Joseph shows that Joseph

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<v Speaker 1>had a good rapper with the Cambaro. That's so Christians

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<v Speaker 1>need to understand that part of you know, like, because

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen the other extreme where Christians are like this

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<v Speaker 1>hyper spiritual folks.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, you know what, I'm so holy, I'm so holy.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of like that I'm slowly so so they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so holy, holy holy. But but the truth is, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we are set apart, but we need to also be

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<v Speaker 1>in the world to you know, help people relate and understand.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how we are able to bring them to

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<v Speaker 1>the table. That's how they pay attention to what they

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<v Speaker 1>ought to say. My content even two days ago I

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<v Speaker 1>did like a dance video, so people were like checking

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<v Speaker 1>that out and it was stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>It was kind of like mister Bean dancing though. But

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<v Speaker 2>the next video.

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<v Speaker 1>Was about how Jesus is the only way with their

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<v Speaker 1>life to heaven. So unless they follow the dance, only

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<v Speaker 1>then the neighborhood to see the other one.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the way we feel just going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Like back in the day, I was just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like the typical preacher style, you know, wearing a coat

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<v Speaker 1>church or a crusade, that's a different setting.

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<v Speaker 2>But on media, I'm a different being. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I use the comedy, these creativity and that that's how

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<v Speaker 1>I'm able to break the ice being myself. So that

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<v Speaker 1>is something I think is lacking among Christians. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>how that's the challenge, like be the light, guys, don't

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<v Speaker 3>That's it's so well, it's so true and I think

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<v Speaker 3>even you think about in the scripture, like the Pharisees,

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<v Speaker 3>they knew every word of the law, but they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know why they completely missed the Son of God when

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<v Speaker 3>he was in front of them, and I think that

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<v Speaker 3>for me, when I think about my life, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>quote that I love, which is let you're always or

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<v Speaker 3>the best sermon you'll ever preach is the one that

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<v Speaker 3>requires no words. It's just the way you live your life.

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<v Speaker 3>And for me, like so often, it's like some of

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<v Speaker 3>the best mena share ever done was in and my

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<v Speaker 3>like I was. It was a situation where everybody was

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<v Speaker 3>so upset and I had this peace that people couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>explain and they didn't understand why or for me, like

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<v Speaker 3>I don't kick out the jokes, but I have a

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<v Speaker 3>gift of encouragement, like I love encouraging people and whether

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<v Speaker 3>of encouragement. And you even think what's so cool is

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<v Speaker 3>like in scripture, Jesus tells you know, I can't I

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<v Speaker 3>can't remember. Maybe it was Judah, I can't remember where,

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<v Speaker 3>but he basically says, like a preacher greater than Jonah

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<v Speaker 3>is here, and yet you do not hear. And I think,

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<v Speaker 3>what's so powerful about that is wow. Like Jesus knew

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<v Speaker 3>base the ability or the amount of people's absorption of

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<v Speaker 3>what he was saying on whether or not he was

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<v Speaker 3>saying or doing it correctly. And I think so often

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<v Speaker 3>we based like how great of Christians we are on

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<v Speaker 3>how people we respawn to it. No, that's God's joke.

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<v Speaker 3>Even in my family, my mom talks about this a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm one of four kids, and my parents grew up.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we went to church, Like my parents loved

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<v Speaker 3>the Lord. Two of my siblings don't know God. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to know God. And my parents talk about

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<v Speaker 3>all the time. You know, as of parents, we did

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<v Speaker 3>nothing different. Like two of our kids loved God and

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<v Speaker 3>now we're so in love with him. One of them

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<v Speaker 3>has writes the books about God. The other two don't

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<v Speaker 3>even want to know God. And it's like at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the day, you plant seeds and then you

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<v Speaker 3>have faith that God will water it. You know, you

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<v Speaker 3>think about a farmer. All the farmer can do is

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<v Speaker 3>plant the seed. He can't provide the sunshine, he can't

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<v Speaker 3>provide the rain. Only the Lord can do that. And

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<v Speaker 3>so like, are you faithful to showing up wherever God

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<v Speaker 3>has you, planting seeds and letting God take care of

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<v Speaker 3>the rest. Because the reality of it is John Us

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<v Speaker 3>wanting that conversion metric. I led this person to Christ.

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<v Speaker 3>I brought that's about us. That's about us saying I

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<v Speaker 3>was the one that led the person to Christ. It

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<v Speaker 3>has nothing to do with like glory to be to God.

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<v Speaker 3>If it was really glory to be a God. It's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I planted that seed, but Lord, look at what you did,

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<v Speaker 3>look at what you grew. And so it's like few

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<v Speaker 3>of the faith to be a lie in the places

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<v Speaker 3>that God called you to be and letting God take

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<v Speaker 3>care of the rest, and trusting that any seeds you

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<v Speaker 3>plant you might not see their fruit on this side

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<v Speaker 3>of glory, but you planted a seed and we're faithful

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<v Speaker 3>to that. And is that enough for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you said, we just plant our seeds. Like

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<v Speaker 1>for example, I when one of my books that I

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<v Speaker 1>did was just a storybook, okay, which is just a

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<v Speaker 1>fantasy story, but through that I bring in Christian principles.

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<v Speaker 1>So even people of father faiths started checking it out.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how I hate hit number one and two categories.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the thing, right, Like if I go and

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<v Speaker 1>say this is a Christian book, guys go and read it,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to read it. So in a sense,

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<v Speaker 1>what we need to do is we need to ask

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<v Speaker 1>God for these unique ways of just say, God, how

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<v Speaker 1>can I sow your word the seed in the unique

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<v Speaker 1>way in a different way. And like you said, we

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<v Speaker 1>do our part of sowing the seed, and it's God's

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