Speaker 1: Like sometimes we just think that, oh, I'm not, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm just a nobody, you know, stuff that are like,
Speaker 1: you're not a nobody, You're you're You're the one that
Speaker 1: God created as his own masterpiece.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Like for example, I don't know why I brought this,
Speaker 1: but I felt this was led by God. One of
Speaker 1: my Scoobyo collections. Again, this is you know, it's actually
Speaker 1: a limited edition piece of Barbie as Scooby Doo Daphne.
Speaker 1: So this was a limited edition in the fact that
Speaker 1: not only a novel Daphne, but this was from the
Speaker 1: two thousand and two Stimo Liang movie.
Speaker 2: So the fact that it's a limited edition adds more
Speaker 2: value to it because there's a very.
Speaker 1: Few in number, and this is something that you don't
Speaker 1: find very often and it was specially ordered. So if
Speaker 1: you say that there's very few in number, and it
Speaker 1: adds more value because it's limited edition, that you are
Speaker 1: just one of a kind in this world because God
Speaker 1: created you as one of his own masterpieces, then how
Speaker 1: much more valuable you and I are that He wants
Speaker 1: to go to any extent just for us.
Speaker 2: That's so true, that's so good, and that's the word
Speaker 2: and I want to share.
Speaker 1: And I feel that you have a very similar message
Speaker 1: on telling people that you know, your message is unique,
Speaker 1: your calling is unique. And I love many times when
Speaker 1: you talk about and I think even about your yes
Speaker 1: is God God's love even in your nose, I think, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I saw that.
Speaker 2: That's so good. Guys, check out a YouTube channel by
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 1: And also you were talking about how even your awkwardness,
Speaker 1: even the things that are weird.
Speaker 2: About you, like the way no, no, you won't see.
Speaker 1: Any normal guy bringing a Barbie doll for.
Speaker 2: Message, But that's that's weird about me.
Speaker 1: But I believe that what's weird about me is what
Speaker 1: helps people to hear about him, you know. Like so likewise,
Speaker 1: what are some awkward or weird ways you feel that
Speaker 1: we can teach young people through the weirdness.
Speaker 2: The awkwardness is the uniqueness. What's your dick on that?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: I love man, I've never been asked that that's such
Speaker 3: a good question. What weirdness can we bring? I love that.
Speaker 3: I honestly think it's it's just whatever is yours. That's
Speaker 3: the first thing that came to me, like, whatever is
Speaker 3: your weirdness, whatever is your awkwardness. You know, for me,
Speaker 3: there's been so many times in my life that I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is going to be really weird. This is going
Speaker 3: to be really awkward. Things such as, you know, like
Speaker 3: I didn't grow up in a household that really prayed
Speaker 3: for one another. Like I had parents that believe, but
Speaker 3: like we weren't the kind that were like, hey, you're
Speaker 3: struggling with this, let me pray over you. I didn't
Speaker 3: really have anybody pray over me till I after college,
Speaker 3: and it was in the church and I and I
Speaker 3: remember like this was just a couple of months ago,
Speaker 3: And you know, I pray over people a lot, but
Speaker 3: I didn't pray over my family ever until like a
Speaker 3: couple months ago, because I was like, this will be
Speaker 3: so weird. This just isn't my family, and and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, my siblings are gonna make fun of
Speaker 3: me all this stuff. But I really did, like I
Speaker 3: felt the conviction. And so to me, that's just an
Speaker 3: example of one of when the Spirit led me to
Speaker 3: this awkwardness. You also think too, Jesus like he lived
Speaker 3: in the awkwardness. Can you imagine when he said to
Speaker 3: the disciples, no, I'm going to wash your feet. Can
Speaker 3: you imagine how awkward that was? I mean, like, actually, picture, actually,
Speaker 3: picture if you work at like a company, or if
Speaker 3: you I don't know Taylor Swift, I'm thinking of someone
Speaker 3: who has a lot of notoriety. If she came in
Speaker 3: and you were like, oh my god, and then she
Speaker 3: was like, I'm going to wash your feet, you know
Speaker 3: you just it would be so weird. It would be
Speaker 3: so awkward. It was like your CEO of your fortune
Speaker 3: five hundred company coming in and saying I'm going to
Speaker 3: clean up your inbox for you and respond to your
Speaker 3: emails for you. You'd be like, stop, why are you
Speaker 3: doing that?
Speaker 2: That's so weird.
Speaker 3: But it's living in that awkwardness. And I think Jesus
Speaker 3: modeled to us by example. A lot of times the
Speaker 3: blessings come from our obedience to just sitting in that
Speaker 3: in between space where it's awkward, and that doesn't even
Speaker 3: have to be for other people. We internally always have
Speaker 3: so much awkwardness. Whether you're you're in between a diagnosis,
Speaker 3: like you know something hurts, but you don't know what
Speaker 3: it is yet. It's in between the healing of a relationship.
Speaker 3: You know your marriage isn't great, but you don't know
Speaker 3: what to do about it yet, you don't know what
Speaker 3: it's going to look like yet, a friendship or like
Speaker 3: whatever it is. You know you want to learn this thing,
Speaker 3: but you don't know how. You know you want to
Speaker 3: start a podcast, but you don't know how, you don't
Speaker 3: know what it's going to start. As we all live
Speaker 3: through awkwardness every single day, and I think, though, the
Speaker 3: power in living that out and embracing it. It's the
Speaker 3: same thing with vulnerability. I have a thing right above
Speaker 3: my desk that says like real not perfect, because for me,
Speaker 3: whenever I come on a podcast, the only thing that
Speaker 3: makes me less nervous is when I remind myself, wait,
Speaker 3: I don't have to be perfect. I just have to
Speaker 3: be honest. And when I'm honest, one, I never run
Speaker 3: out of things to say because there's always something going on.
Speaker 3: But two, it just loosens you up to know like,
Speaker 3: no one's perfect. When you feel like you have to
Speaker 3: be perfect, that's when you get so stiff and you
Speaker 3: feel like you can't do anything because you're afraid of
Speaker 3: doing the wrong thing. And so I think if we
Speaker 3: just live into our vulnerabilities, when you live into yours,
Speaker 3: you can help other people embrace theirs and then other
Speaker 3: people live out theirs. So back to your question about
Speaker 3: how do we inspire a generation coming up to like
Speaker 3: live into that weirdness, live into that awkwardness, live into
Speaker 3: that imperfection. It's by living out your own by example
Speaker 3: and being vulnerable and sharing that you know, I want
Speaker 3: to know because it's weird, but like for me, a
Speaker 3: massive insecurity of mine. I struggle with this thing called
Speaker 3: rosea Sha since I was a really little girl, like
Speaker 3: my face will just get really red. And I remember
Speaker 3: the first time on a podcast, I like took my
Speaker 3: makeup off and shared it and I showed it, and
Speaker 3: what's so cool is the responses I got. It was
Speaker 3: not from anyone that had roseatia, it wasn't from the
Speaker 3: thing that I had, But what it was was it
Speaker 3: let people say, I'm struggling with this thing and it's
Speaker 3: not that, but what you just did there helped me
Speaker 3: kind of like take the makeup off this thing I'm
Speaker 3: struggling with to know it's okay. And so that's what Like,
Speaker 3: I have another episode called like no Makeup Prayers, and
Speaker 3: I feel like that's just the way our life needs
Speaker 3: to be a prayer with no makeup on it. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying share everything you're going through with everybody. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that even Jesus had like his three closest buds, right,
Speaker 3: But what I am saying is living your life in
Speaker 3: such a way that you're not making up your life
Speaker 3: to be somebody you're not by putting on it's about
Speaker 3: to be Halloween in the United States, by putting on
Speaker 3: costumes and personas and things that you never were to
Speaker 3: try to gain approval from people that will never really
Speaker 3: love the actual you because you're not letting them see you.
Speaker 1: Many places, what happens is I don't know, you feel
Speaker 1: hard about this, but there's a lot of this people
Speaker 1: of other faiths they have is feeling like all these
Speaker 1: Christmas are you only to come? You know, they have
Speaker 1: this anti conversion and all of these things against Christians
Speaker 1: because of that. And when I joined this new organization,
Speaker 1: no matter what I did, it always feel like they
Speaker 1: were trying to be Okay. No one let me keep
Speaker 1: film at a distance because they knew I was this
Speaker 1: preacher guy. So they thought in the back of their
Speaker 1: mind that I was only going to convert them.
Speaker 2: So but you know.
Speaker 1: So the real thing was being myself, like you said,
Speaker 1: being authentic, be sharing my feelings, sharing my emotions, and
Speaker 1: the best thing of you know, one of my gifts
Speaker 1: that I have is humor. People call them lame jokes,
Speaker 1: but I just say that jokes don't have legs, so
Speaker 1: they lame. But people call it dad jokes and all
Speaker 1: of this stuff.
Speaker 2: But hey, that's my gift.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: That helped me break the ice with a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and about in a theme of twenty three people, at
Speaker 1: least eleven or twelve. I told me on my face
Speaker 1: that we thought you're here only to convert, but I
Speaker 1: realized that you are so genuine person and that helped
Speaker 1: me to you know, I'm not saying that I've preached
Speaker 1: the gospel to all of them or something like that,
Speaker 1: but that helped me to build the relationships. Like coming
Speaker 1: back to what you were talking about. By product, I
Speaker 1: was reminded of this how we talk about you know,
Speaker 1: Joseph reaching the throne, I mean not the throne, he
Speaker 1: reached the palace.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Everybody says I'm want to reach the palace, and like
Speaker 1: Joseph did. But that came as a byproduct of him
Speaker 1: investing in the cup Bearer's dream, right, it didn't come
Speaker 1: just randomly, And how did he invest in the cup
Speaker 1: bearers ream? If he just went to the cuppartit and
Speaker 1: say hey, tell me your dream, that cup Barra will
Speaker 1: give him a slap on his face. He'll be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're not even talking to me. You're not even you know,
Speaker 1: have you're this super holy Joe, Why should I share
Speaker 1: my personal matters with you? So the fact that the
Speaker 1: cup Berea shared the dream with Joseph shows that Joseph
Speaker 1: had a good rapper with the Cambaro. That's so Christians
Speaker 1: need to understand that part of you know, like, because
Speaker 1: I've seen the other extreme where Christians are like this
Speaker 1: hyper spiritual folks.
Speaker 2: They're like, you know what, I'm so holy, I'm so holy.
Speaker 1: Kind of like that I'm slowly so so they're like,
Speaker 1: I'm so holy, holy holy. But but the truth is, yeah,
Speaker 1: we are set apart, but we need to also be
Speaker 1: in the world to you know, help people relate and understand.
Speaker 1: And that's how we are able to bring them to
Speaker 1: the table. That's how they pay attention to what they
Speaker 1: ought to say. My content even two days ago I
Speaker 1: did like a dance video, so people were like checking
Speaker 1: that out and it was stupid.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like mister Bean dancing though. But
Speaker 2: the next video.
Speaker 1: Was about how Jesus is the only way with their
Speaker 1: life to heaven. So unless they follow the dance, only
Speaker 1: then the neighborhood to see the other one.
Speaker 2: So that's the way we feel just going to be.
Speaker 1: Like back in the day, I was just you know,
Speaker 1: like the typical preacher style, you know, wearing a coat
Speaker 1: and coming in and you know with the say I
Speaker 1: still do those if I go and preach in the
Speaker 1: church or a crusade, that's a different setting.
Speaker 2: But on media, I'm a different being. You know.
Speaker 1: I use the comedy, these creativity and that that's how
Speaker 1: I'm able to break the ice being myself. So that
Speaker 1: is something I think is lacking among Christians. And that's
Speaker 1: how that's the challenge, like be the light, guys, don't
Speaker 1: be the team light.
Speaker 3: That's it's so well, it's so true and I think
Speaker 3: even you think about in the scripture, like the Pharisees,
Speaker 3: they knew every word of the law, but they didn't
Speaker 3: know why they completely missed the Son of God when
Speaker 3: he was in front of them, and I think that
Speaker 3: for me, when I think about my life, there's a
Speaker 3: quote that I love, which is let you're always or
Speaker 3: the best sermon you'll ever preach is the one that
Speaker 3: requires no words. It's just the way you live your life.
Speaker 3: And for me, like so often, it's like some of
Speaker 3: the best mena share ever done was in and my
Speaker 3: corporate job went in the lunch room when it's just
Speaker 3: like I was. It was a situation where everybody was
Speaker 3: so upset and I had this peace that people couldn't
Speaker 3: explain and they didn't understand why or for me, like
Speaker 3: my gift, I'm not I'm not funny like you, and
Speaker 3: I don't kick out the jokes, but I have a
Speaker 3: gift of encouragement, like I love encouraging people and whether
Speaker 3: they knew Jesus or not, like people needed a word
Speaker 3: of encouragement. And you even think what's so cool is
Speaker 3: like in scripture, Jesus tells you know, I can't I
Speaker 3: can't remember. Maybe it was Judah, I can't remember where,
Speaker 3: but he basically says, like a preacher greater than Jonah
Speaker 3: is here, and yet you do not hear. And I think,
Speaker 3: what's so powerful about that is wow. Like Jesus knew
Speaker 3: who he was in his father, so he did not
Speaker 3: base the ability or the amount of people's absorption of
Speaker 3: what he was saying on whether or not he was
Speaker 3: saying or doing it correctly. And I think so often
Speaker 3: we based like how great of Christians we are on
Speaker 3: how people we respawn to it. No, that's God's joke.
Speaker 3: Even in my family, my mom talks about this a lot.
Speaker 3: I'm one of four kids, and my parents grew up.
Speaker 3: You know, we went to church, Like my parents loved
Speaker 3: the Lord. Two of my siblings don't know God. They
Speaker 3: don't want to know God. And my parents talk about
Speaker 3: all the time. You know, as of parents, we did
Speaker 3: nothing different. Like two of our kids loved God and
Speaker 3: now we're so in love with him. One of them
Speaker 3: has writes the books about God. The other two don't
Speaker 3: even want to know God. And it's like at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, you plant seeds and then you
Speaker 3: have faith that God will water it. You know, you
Speaker 3: think about a farmer. All the farmer can do is
Speaker 3: plant the seed. He can't provide the sunshine, he can't
Speaker 3: provide the rain. Only the Lord can do that. And
Speaker 3: so like, are you faithful to showing up wherever God
Speaker 3: has you, planting seeds and letting God take care of
Speaker 3: the rest. Because the reality of it is John Us
Speaker 3: wanting that conversion metric. I led this person to Christ.
Speaker 3: I brought that's about us. That's about us saying I
Speaker 3: was the one that led the person to Christ. It
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with like glory to be to God.
Speaker 3: If it was really glory to be a God. It's like, hey,
Speaker 3: I planted that seed, but Lord, look at what you did,
Speaker 3: look at what you grew. And so it's like few
Speaker 3: of the faith to be a lie in the places
Speaker 3: that God called you to be and letting God take
Speaker 3: care of the rest, and trusting that any seeds you
Speaker 3: plant you might not see their fruit on this side
Speaker 3: of glory, but you planted a seed and we're faithful
Speaker 3: to that. And is that enough for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said, we just plant our seeds. Like
Speaker 1: for example, I when one of my books that I
Speaker 1: did was just a storybook, okay, which is just a
Speaker 1: fantasy story, but through that I bring in Christian principles.
Speaker 1: So even people of father faiths started checking it out.
Speaker 1: And that's how I hate hit number one and two categories.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, right, Like if I go and
Speaker 1: say this is a Christian book, guys go and read it,
Speaker 1: they're not going to read it. So in a sense,
Speaker 1: what we need to do is we need to ask
Speaker 1: God for these unique ways of just say, God, how
Speaker 1: can I sow your word the seed in the unique
Speaker 1: way in a different way. And like you said, we
Speaker 1: do our part of sowing the seed, and it's God's
Speaker 1: job to do what me God kidd