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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome to the second episode of Ologies. You made it.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we move on to this week's episode, let's look

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<v Speaker 2>back at last week's episode. I have to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>guys something. Let's sit down, Hell, let's have a heart

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<v Speaker 2>to heart. So thank you so much. If you listen

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<v Speaker 2>to Volcanology, I hope you liked it. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a tective with the first episode, and

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<v Speaker 2>whoever subscribed and woke up early and listened to it,

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<v Speaker 2>a few thousand of you got totally the wrong episode.

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<v Speaker 2>You got an older, not totally edited version of Volcanology

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<v Speaker 2>that had no format, none of my narration, no sound effects,

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<v Speaker 2>some weird jump cuts, and you might have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>So as you know, I've been working on this project

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<v Speaker 2>for like ten years. I edited the first episode of

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<v Speaker 2>Volcanology for a couple months and just somehow Universe felt

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<v Speaker 2>like kicking people in the dick, and somehow the network

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<v Speaker 2>uploaded the wrong file. But the good news is the

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<v Speaker 2>right episode went up and that day, and so a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of people got the right episode. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>listen to it and you thought this is pretty good,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess if you didn't hear any narration like what

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<v Speaker 2>we had in the earthquake kit can growing up as

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, or how to pronounce an Icelandic volcano, or

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<v Speaker 2>how I feel about volcano romances? Boy, howdy, did it

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<v Speaker 2>ruffle my feathers. You might want to delete and redownload

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<v Speaker 2>to get the real version. Let's just put a good

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<v Speaker 2>spin on it. Let's call it bonus content. So enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you to everyone who's listened and subscribed. Let's just

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<v Speaker 2>move on. Let's move on to episode two. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know when you're in let's say you're in a

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<v Speaker 2>big city and you're watching people bustle by, and people

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<v Speaker 2>are wearing suits and carrying briefcases and coffee, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>walking around in high heels, and you realize everyone, all

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<v Speaker 2>of us, we're all just a bunch of smooth naked

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<v Speaker 2>apes in underpants. We're just a bunch of primates. Does

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<v Speaker 2>that ever freak you out? It freaks me out a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the etymology of primatology though. Primatology comes

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<v Speaker 2>from the Latin for prima of first rank or chief

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<v Speaker 2>of the highest order, so of course it's primates naming primates,

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<v Speaker 2>So of course we named ourselves that. We're such dis

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<v Speaker 2>This episode about primatology is a dang ding dang soaproper.

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<v Speaker 2>It is full of torrid chimpanzee affairs and backstabbing six

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<v Speaker 2>year olds on birth control. There's first steps, there's quitting

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<v Speaker 2>the entertainment business, not collecting. There's lobster costumes, and really

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<v Speaker 2>an unraveling of our own feelings by projecting them onto

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<v Speaker 2>other primate species, At least for me. This primatologist was

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<v Speaker 2>a friend of a friend, and it's a certain amount

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<v Speaker 2>of wrangling. Let me tell you to get her on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast, because she's busy as hell, and she's got

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, she's got another one on the way. We

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<v Speaker 2>had an email chain, thirty four emails back to back

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<v Speaker 2>to back, and I finally just kind of air quotes

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<v Speaker 2>happened to pop by the zoo and just say hi.

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<v Speaker 2>We met up while she was holding a small monkey,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just tried to act casual and not starstruck,

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<v Speaker 2>and finally met her and proved to her I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>like a weird neck beard cat fishing her for some

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<v Speaker 2>irl FaceTime. So we arranged a time I went to

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<v Speaker 2>her lovely home. We sat at her kitchen table to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about ape genitals for about an hour. So please

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<v Speaker 2>prepare to learn more than you ever thought you might

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<v Speaker 2>ever learn about monkeys and apes and yourself. Who is

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<v Speaker 2>an ape? Never forget you're an ape wearing underpants. Probably

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know your business. I sincerely truly dig this

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<v Speaker 2>person so much. I got nervous being around her because

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<v Speaker 2>she's so cool. So please enjoy professional primatologist Kate Gilmour.

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<v Speaker 3>Your levels are good, Yeah, your levels are good. Herely

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<v Speaker 3>loud and fast talker. That's great, And I go on

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<v Speaker 3>really long, so you can.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll interrupt you.

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<v Speaker 3>You totally fine, because I'll interrupt you.

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<v Speaker 2>To Kate's official job is lead keeper of the Great

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<v Speaker 2>Apes and Old World Monkeys at the Los Angeles Zoo.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I got that right.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually do the chimpanzees, but I'm the lead keeper over

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<v Speaker 3>the Great apes and Old World monkeys. That's gorillas, a ranguetan,

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<v Speaker 3>and a wholestal of really cool gibbons and other primates.

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<v Speaker 2>What's an Old World monkey exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>Those are primates and monkeys that come from Africa. So

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<v Speaker 3>New World monkeys would be South American monkeys. Old World

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<v Speaker 3>are Africa. I never, they're older and a cool thing.

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<v Speaker 3>How you can tell the difference is that South American

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<v Speaker 3>New World monkeys they have prehensile tails, so they they

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<v Speaker 3>can actually use them to hang and curl and things

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<v Speaker 3>like that. The older monkeys they're just more used for

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<v Speaker 3>balance and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Really boom, We're like thirty seconds in and we're already smarter.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask you what's your best Like

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<v Speaker 2>you're at a cocktail party and someone's like, si, kay,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you do? And you're like, I'm a primatologist,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what what?

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<v Speaker 3>It normally stops the conversation, Yeah, because people aren't stoked

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<v Speaker 3>about that. Now they are stoked because they go, wait

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<v Speaker 3>what and you go, yeah, that's true. So it's like

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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a fun date, right, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Get a lot of questions and somewhere around the conversation

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<v Speaker 3>they go, I'm so sorry I'm doing this, Like, I

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<v Speaker 3>just have so many questions, and I said, you are not.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fine, Like, I'm very used to it. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>mind it. If you're going to be zoo keeper, you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be super passionate about your job and the

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<v Speaker 3>animals you work with, so we love talking about them.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's it's the easiest thing in the world

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<v Speaker 3>to do, so questions. We get a lot of our Well,

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<v Speaker 3>how do you tell the difference between EAPs and monkeys? Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>monkeys have tails. That's it, stop, full stop. Really, that's

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<v Speaker 3>what you need to know. It's not that hard.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll never forget this fact and I will never

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<v Speaker 2>stop looking at primate books because of it.

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<v Speaker 3>To be fair, most of my barbecues and cocktail parties

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<v Speaker 3>are with adults because you know, I'm good at talking

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<v Speaker 3>to You have to be able to talk to four

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<v Speaker 3>year olds about this stuff, and like college people and

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<v Speaker 3>adults about this stuff, so you have to really tailor

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<v Speaker 3>what you're going to say. But when I talk to

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<v Speaker 3>most adults at barbecues and whatnot, they always ask about sex,

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<v Speaker 3>and like, well, I I heard that bonobos have sex

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<v Speaker 3>all the time, right, Okay, here we go again, and

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<v Speaker 3>so they want to know the difference. So like bonobos

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<v Speaker 3>and chimpanzees. And so the fact that I always put

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<v Speaker 3>out that always makes them like, you know, do a

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<v Speaker 3>spit take, is that you can tell what kind of

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<v Speaker 3>social society a primate has by looking at their testicle size.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me everything, I tell you everything.

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<v Speaker 3>You got it. Okay. So if you have, like in

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<v Speaker 3>a chimpanzee society, they have lots of males and lots

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<v Speaker 3>of females all living together, so there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>sexual competition. So the males have to breed with all

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<v Speaker 3>the females, and none of the males know which babies

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<v Speaker 3>are theirs. Wow. That helps the community because then the

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<v Speaker 3>males all have to kind of help watch over the

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<v Speaker 3>babies because it could be theirs, it could not be.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't know. But that means that they constantly have

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<v Speaker 3>to be breeding all the females. Oh. So that means

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<v Speaker 3>they have sex like ten times a day, oh man,

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<v Speaker 3>and then each one has to be successful, so they

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<v Speaker 3>have something like a six or two to six billion

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<v Speaker 3>sperm count per day. In order to do that, they

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<v Speaker 3>have to have extremely large testicles. Oh my, God, they

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<v Speaker 3>have monster arts, they have monster gards. So but then

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<v Speaker 3>you're like, okay, but like, what about a gorilla. Gorillas

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<v Speaker 3>are huge, They're like among the largest grade apes. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>a gorilla society, you have one male and a whole

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of ladies, So he's not competing with anybody most

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<v Speaker 3>of the time. He doesn't have to prove anything. He

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't have to breathe them ten times a day because

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<v Speaker 3>they know that they're his, and he knows that they're there,

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<v Speaker 3>so his balls are daman no way.

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<v Speaker 2>So to have big balls means that you're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a cock. Yes, I wanted to see how humans compared,

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<v Speaker 2>and I now have like six tabs open on my

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<v Speaker 2>computer about sperm. It seems like the average for human

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<v Speaker 2>is probably around two hundred million a day, but it

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<v Speaker 2>varies a bunch human to human. Now, chimps and banobos

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<v Speaker 2>they need more AMMO because they don't have as much

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<v Speaker 2>standing or rank, so they more AMMO than humans. Gorillas

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<v Speaker 2>and orangutans are like, not dog, I'm good, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>need that big of balls because I know whose kids

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<v Speaker 2>hes are. So next time you see someone with like

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<v Speaker 2>a pair of truck nuts on their vehicle, just pull over.

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<v Speaker 2>Let them know. Those things should be marbles. If you

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<v Speaker 2>really want to show what an outpha you are, you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing it all wrong. Also, why did you put testicles

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<v Speaker 2>on your car? That's weird. Can you imagine if your

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<v Speaker 2>mom hung a synthetic vagina off of her exhaust pipe

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<v Speaker 2>just to show how fertile and maternal she was, that's weird. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>back to gorillas. So with the gorillas, they have these

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<v Speaker 2>tiny sacks ceeny tiny because they're like all the ladies

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<v Speaker 2>are mine.

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<v Speaker 3>All they need to have sex like once every few

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<v Speaker 3>days maybe, so you just don't eat a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens to the to the beta and gamma males

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<v Speaker 2>then for.

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<v Speaker 3>Gorillas, Yeah, well it's usually one male and the females.

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<v Speaker 3>And so when like an offspring male gets old enough

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of be a little bit competitive with dad,

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<v Speaker 3>they leave and then they form these bachelor groups. See

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<v Speaker 3>if these groups of males, young males that walk around

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<v Speaker 3>hang out, get big and strong, practice being really tough,

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<v Speaker 3>and then when they think they're ready to take over,

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<v Speaker 3>they'll go find another group and try to kick that

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<v Speaker 3>silver back out. So then you have an old man

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<v Speaker 3>get booted and then the new young stud comes in

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<v Speaker 3>and takes over all of his ladies.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh ouch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. But for chimpanzees, which all live together, you have

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<v Speaker 3>the alpha bait and all the other males there. All

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<v Speaker 3>of them can breed. It's just that the alpha males

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<v Speaker 3>will probably get more and get the best ladies. But

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<v Speaker 3>there are lots of different breeding strategies, so all of

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<v Speaker 3>them have very large testicles so that they can because

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<v Speaker 3>even the ones that are super low ranking can do

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<v Speaker 3>sneak breeding.

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<v Speaker 2>What does a sneak breed?

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<v Speaker 3>A sneak breed is when a male will kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like catch an eye of a lady and it's like

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<v Speaker 3>it's exactly what you think it is. He goes and

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<v Speaker 3>then she'll kind of nod her head and they'll go

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<v Speaker 3>behind a tree and do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Why behind a tree so that no one male.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't see him?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>So if he's the ranking he could get his butt

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that the female is like, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>she embarrassed at all like that? She's no, no, she's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they're just doing it behind the back of the alpha.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I mean we can tell like in our group.

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<v Speaker 3>So at the lazoo, we have eighteen chimpanzees. It's one

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<v Speaker 3>of the largest multi malee multi female groups in a

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<v Speaker 3>So and we watch them a lot. That's part of

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<v Speaker 2>I mean eighteen that's like Bachelor and Paradise numbers. That's

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<v Speaker 3>Seven males and eleven females. And we have four generations

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<v Speaker 3>ranging in age from two and a half years to

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<v Speaker 3>fifty years old. So we really have been able to

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<v Speaker 3>which is awesome, but because we watched them so long

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<v Speaker 3>are females that you know, some males are kind of

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<v Speaker 3>in the friend zone. They might get lucky occasionally, but

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<v Speaker 3>for the most part they're buds. But then other males

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<v Speaker 3>that I mean, anytime they can they'll just go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>would always sneak breed. He always had a sneak breed

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<v Speaker 3>and now he's doing it right in front of the

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<v Speaker 3>alpha kind of watching him, Like, what do you think

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Bud, if you like drama, you will love Schipansies.

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<v Speaker 2>Does the alpha kicks?

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<v Speaker 2>And then so what happens if they get to a

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<v Speaker 3>So that's a good question. Another thing that people are

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<v Speaker 3>things through pop culture of like so like they're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>what happens if you go into the exhibit, Well, they'll

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<v Speaker 3>kill you because they're very territorial, they're very strong, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're very aggressive by nature. They also have very wonderful

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<v Speaker 3>sides to them. I mean we see most of that

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<v Speaker 3>almost all the time, but they do have a very

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<v Speaker 3>dark side, much more so than the other great apes.

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<v Speaker 3>So fighting is very normal for them. It's very common

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<v Speaker 3>in the wild orange activity. It's what they do is

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<v Speaker 3>how they release a whole lot of their energy. And

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<v Speaker 3>but you if you sit and you watch a fight

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<v Speaker 3>and you just wait, they make up really really fast.

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<v Speaker 2>They do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So the community, it's the community is thicker than anything.

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<v Speaker 3>And they'll they'll defend each other to the death if

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<v Speaker 3>they need to against outside chimpanzee groups or outside forces

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<v Speaker 3>of fredation or what have you. But within the group,

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<v Speaker 3>they piss each other off all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you know when they've made up, Like do

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<v Speaker 2>they do a certain hug or.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's so they really communicate through vocalizing, facial expressions,

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<v Speaker 3>and body positioning, so reconciling, you can do a if

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<v Speaker 3>someone's kind of apologizing, they would put their wrist in

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<v Speaker 3>the other chimpanzee's mouth. It's a very trusting thing of

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<v Speaker 3>like are we good? Are we good? We're good? Because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I'm trusting you to put my body part

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<v Speaker 3>so like I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we goodikes?

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<v Speaker 3>And then they'll do that and then they're like and

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<v Speaker 3>we're cool, and then they'll groom. So grooming is like

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<v Speaker 3>they EQUI like brushing someone's hair or massaging them. It

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<v Speaker 3>kind of reinforces social bonds. In the wild, it's also

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<v Speaker 3>used to like clean them of bugs and dead skin

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<v Speaker 3>cells and stuff like that, but captive chimps should be

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<v Speaker 3>a lot cleaner than that. So for our guys, it's

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<v Speaker 3>mostly social bonding. But we normally find that when males

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<v Speaker 3>and again, you know, chimpanzees are aggressive and they're violent

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<v Speaker 3>and pretty unpredictable and lovely too, right, they do have

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<v Speaker 3>that side. Usually when the males go after the females,

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<v Speaker 3>they use their hands and feet. There's a lot of punching, hitting,

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<v Speaker 3>jumping on and again, chimpanzees are built to withstand this.

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<v Speaker 3>I say, chimpannaine easy. They are easy. They are very tough.

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<v Speaker 3>They are built for this. And so people get upset

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<v Speaker 3>seeing that because they are so human like, they kind

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<v Speaker 3>of just turn them into humans and they are like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my gosh, you have to do something, and that

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<v Speaker 3>they're not humans, they're chimpanzees. They're completely different, and this

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<v Speaker 3>is what they are built to do. So the males

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<v Speaker 3>will usually use hands and feet to just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>beat on the females. The females have no problem using

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<v Speaker 3>teeth and nails, and we'll just bite anyone if they're

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<v Speaker 3>really upset too, So it's not just the males doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>The females are really nasty.

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<v Speaker 2>Takeaway, do not fuck with the chimp.

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<v Speaker 3>Occasionally we run. We like to have all our chimpanzees

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<v Speaker 3>running in one big group because that is much more

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<v Speaker 3>natural for different medical reasons or social issues. Over the

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<v Speaker 3>last few years, occasionally we do have multiple groups, and

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<v Speaker 3>one time we're experimenting which is sick of an all

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<v Speaker 3>male and all female group. The boys got along fine,

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<v Speaker 3>there was no problems. They were chilling out, relaxing, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>the calmest we have seen them in years. The females

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<v Speaker 3>lasted two days before they started turning on each other. Really,

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<v Speaker 3>it was complete mean girls. No, yeah, it's like real housewives, awful, awful,

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<v Speaker 3>We're like, what are they doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I was very disheartened and curious about this, so I

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<v Speaker 2>ended up doing some research and I came across this

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<v Speaker 2>paper titled female competition in Chimpanzees. What I learned is

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<v Speaker 2>that females disperse from their family when they come of age,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they go into groups of non relatives, and

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<v Speaker 2>so they have to compete for food with unrelated females,

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<v Speaker 2>and so competition, I suppose becomes more ingrained. But also

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to find out what that said about us

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<v Speaker 2>as humans, because we can't learn about animals without projecting

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<v Speaker 2>them onto our own behavior. So the paper said enhance

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<v Speaker 2>cognitive ability may have led to the evolution of indirect

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<v Speaker 2>competitive strategies, where human females could avoid physical injury but

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<v Speaker 2>nevertheless harm their rivals, such as through gossip and social exclusion.

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<v Speaker 2>So next time someone calls you bitch or doesn't invite

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<v Speaker 2>you to their bachelorette party, maybe it's because they consider

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<v Speaker 2>you competition for their resources. I don't know. Next time

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<v Speaker 2>you're feeling bitchy towards someone, ask yourself, am I worried

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<v Speaker 2>that somehow this will lead me to have less food

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<v Speaker 2>or shelter. I don't know who knows. But if you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna project and go down weird avenues where we become

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<v Speaker 2>introspective about human behavior, let's just all agree that insecurity

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the roots of evil. This is true

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<v Speaker 2>for females and males. Okay, Onward, By the way, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the opinions of the podcast or Alley Ward, and

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily the primatology community in whole. Let's get back

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<v Speaker 2>to how they decide on which male they throw in

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<v Speaker 2>with a group of personnigity ladies.

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<v Speaker 3>And so we just like they need some testosterone, like

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<v Speaker 3>they just do. It's not very feminist to say. But

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<v Speaker 3>the female chimpanzees they need males. So we can just

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<v Speaker 3>move one, like the lowest ranking male we have, move

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<v Speaker 3>them over to the female group, and the females are good.

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<v Speaker 2>No way did you get how did you determine, like

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<v Speaker 2>who's the biggest loser chimpanzee that we can throw in

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<v Speaker 2>with the ladies.

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<v Speaker 3>We know it's pretty obviously now you tell access to

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<v Speaker 3>mates and access to food and like the best sleeping places.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you have like a male sitting somewhere and

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<v Speaker 3>you throw him something really yummy, like an apple or

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<v Speaker 3>a pair, and a female walks by, and he doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>even pick up the food, He looks the other way

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<v Speaker 3>and pretends he never saw it, so the female can

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<v Speaker 3>come get it. Well that's pretty sad, but he knows

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<v Speaker 3>that if he picks up the fruit, she's going to

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<v Speaker 3>go after him. And if a female goes after a male,

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<v Speaker 3>you know he's really low ranking because in chimpanzee society,

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<v Speaker 3>the males outrank the females.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, so wait, access to females food and

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<v Speaker 2>sleeping places. So if a dude is a buster, like,

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<v Speaker 2>he won't have a girlfriend, he'll have maybe a shitty

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<v Speaker 2>place to sleep, he only eat Wendy's or something. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you do that a lot? Do you apply lessons with

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<v Speaker 2>primates to humans too much? And you're like, okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>is there needs to be a line here.

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<v Speaker 3>I think an important thing for us is And it's

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<v Speaker 3>hard sometimes it's like, you know, I look at one

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<v Speaker 3>of my chimpanzees and I see Yoshi, I see Pandora,

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<v Speaker 3>I see Sean, I see Ben, and you have to

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<v Speaker 3>remember that no, no, no, no, no, they're like chimpanzee first. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of the same with people and dogs. You

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<v Speaker 3>know they're a dog first, but you see them as fluffy, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Rover I was like, no, no, no, but what their needs

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<v Speaker 3>are is dog first, right, So we know that, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know, patrons do not. They just see them as

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<v Speaker 3>things that kind of look like people and should be

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<v Speaker 3>treated as such. So some of the things that they

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<v Speaker 3>see they don't quite understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Who gets to name these chimps, well, it depends.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually it's the keepers that name them, but they a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of them are adopted through donors.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the past five years of Los Angeles Zoo

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<v Speaker 2>has had five babies born, which is very adorable, and

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<v Speaker 2>they decided to name four of them in Swahili, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the predominant culture where chimpanzees come from. And they

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<v Speaker 2>also have some with American names, like there's ben Ben

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<v Speaker 2>the chimp, and I read a little bit about Ben Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben's fathered quite a few chimpanzee babies, hasn't he.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he's had four. So yeah. So going back to

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<v Speaker 3>like the breeding of our chimpanzees. So chimpanzees, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they breed all the time. It's really fun. We don't

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<v Speaker 3>stop them from that. We couldn't even if we wanted to.

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<v Speaker 3>So all the females are on birth control. So just

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<v Speaker 3>like the pill, Yeah, they take the pill, So we

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<v Speaker 3>pop out a pill every day for them and their

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<v Speaker 2>Are they veterinary great?

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<v Speaker 3>No? No, no, they're just our pills.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. They take all the same medications that we do

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<v Speaker 3>because they're their physiology is so incredibly close. We shared

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<v Speaker 3>ninety nine percent of our DNA with them, I know,

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<v Speaker 3>which is super crazy, right, so.

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<v Speaker 2>You can you pop out like an orthotricyclin and you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>here you go. Do you put it in their food

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<v Speaker 2>or yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>We crush it up and put it in juice for

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<v Speaker 3>them every morning. And you know, we have some that

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<v Speaker 3>The ones that are being watched for heart issues because

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<v Speaker 3>of their age will get you know, like a baby aspirin,

420
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<v Speaker 3>just like a person would. You know, if they're sick,

421
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<v Speaker 3>they can get antibiotics. We do cultures to make sure

422
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<v Speaker 3>that we were giving them the right ones.

423
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<v Speaker 2>No adderall or BIAGRAA or anything.

424
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<v Speaker 3>They do not need that, yeah either that, Nope, they're good.

425
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<v Speaker 3>Not not many behavior modification drugs, just more medical ones.

426
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<v Speaker 2>Do you do you learn a lot about human behavior

427
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<v Speaker 2>from watching primate behavior? Like do you figure out what

428
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<v Speaker 2>makes you grumpy? Like?

429
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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely?

430
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<v Speaker 2>Like what?

431
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<v Speaker 3>Well? I was like the people also want to know,

432
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<v Speaker 3>you know, why why do I have my job? Like

433
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<v Speaker 3>what do I find so interesting about them? Because you know,

434
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<v Speaker 3>you can be a zoos keeper and work with pigs

435
00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.359
<v Speaker 3>or gia rafts or you know, yellow like mountain frogs

436
00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:30.200
<v Speaker 3>and Not everyone's a primate keeper. Not everyone's a chimpanzee keeper.

437
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<v Speaker 3>We are kind of a few and far between to

438
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<v Speaker 3>be found who are like super passionate about chimpanzees because

439
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<v Speaker 3>they are They're tough, they're very very difficult to take

440
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<v Speaker 3>care of, very challenging, and so in order to stick

441
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<v Speaker 3>it out and do it, you have to really really

442
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<v Speaker 3>adore them and love them for who they are, and

443
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<v Speaker 3>that also means accepting their good sides and their and

444
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<v Speaker 3>their dark sides. One of the reasons I really like

445
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<v Speaker 3>them is that they everything they feel. They feel at

446
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<v Speaker 3>a ten. You know, they're happy at a ten, they're

447
00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:59.119
<v Speaker 3>upset at a ten, they're sad at a ten, they're

448
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<v Speaker 3>loving at a ten. I can't They have no filters,

449
00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:04.519
<v Speaker 3>they cannot do that. They don't understand how to do that.

450
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<v Speaker 3>So if someone's pissed off at someone else, they let

451
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<v Speaker 3>them have it and then like once like we're cool, sit, groom,

452
00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:14.160
<v Speaker 3>we're good. We just cover everything up. But the emotions

453
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<v Speaker 3>are all the same, and so absolutely do you.

454
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<v Speaker 2>Have you changed your behavior since becoming a zoo keeper.

455
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<v Speaker 3>Actually, I decided to breastfeed my son after watching them

456
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<v Speaker 3>do it because I had gone through three pregnancies and

457
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<v Speaker 3>births with them, and for my own reasons, I hadn't

458
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<v Speaker 3>been planning on breastfeeding. I was like, you know what,

459
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<v Speaker 3>they are closest relatives, and they seem to figure it out. Okay,

460
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<v Speaker 3>so maybe I should give it a shot. So, you know,

461
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<v Speaker 3>I did.

462
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<v Speaker 2>I have talked to one other primatologist and not interviewed

463
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<v Speaker 2>her for the podcast, but just was chatting with her,

464
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<v Speaker 2>and I asked her if there's anything about primates has

465
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<v Speaker 2>changed her own behavior, and she said, literally the same thing. Really,

466
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<v Speaker 2>she said she decided she breast bet her kid until

467
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<v Speaker 2>he was like six or something. She was like, I

468
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<v Speaker 2>looked at all eyes, yeah, big, yeah. I was like,

469
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<v Speaker 2>that's a long time. But she was like, you know,

470
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<v Speaker 2>she was very like maybe it was five. I think

471
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<v Speaker 2>it was like five or six. But she was like

472
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<v Speaker 2>watching watching these apes and seeing how that developed bond

473
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<v Speaker 2>between between you know, the ape and the child, the

474
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<v Speaker 2>mother and the child. But it's interesting that that is

475
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<v Speaker 2>the same thing that you took away from it.

476
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<v Speaker 3>It's a natural biology. So I was like, I'll give

477
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<v Speaker 3>it a shot.

478
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<v Speaker 1>Now.

479
00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:32.599
<v Speaker 3>I only made it three months. So for anyone like

480
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<v Speaker 3>breastfeeding advocates out there, you know, do whatever. I don't care.

481
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, would you say that your children are raised in captivity?

482
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<v Speaker 2>I guess they kind of would be. Yeah, I suppose.

483
00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:44.000
<v Speaker 2>So what made you love primates so much? Why did

484
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<v Speaker 2>you become a zoo keeper?

485
00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:48.640
<v Speaker 3>Why do I like? I don't know. It was really

486
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<v Speaker 3>no Growing up. I was a science kid, but I

487
00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:54.839
<v Speaker 3>changed a lot so it would be like palaeontology first,

488
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<v Speaker 3>and then I did Yeah, there was definitely a whole

489
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<v Speaker 3>astronomy thing in space. And then around fourth grade I

490
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:05.240
<v Speaker 3>was a very early reader as well. In fourth grade,

491
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<v Speaker 3>my mom got me the book Gorillas in the myst

492
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<v Speaker 3>from the library and I just dog eared that thing

493
00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:12.400
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, gorillas are amazing. And then after that,

494
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<v Speaker 3>around seventh grade, I know, I wrote a paper about

495
00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:17.640
<v Speaker 3>being a microbiologist, and then eighth grade it was marine biology.

496
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<v Speaker 3>I was very scattershot but private. I just kind of

497
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<v Speaker 3>always thought they were cool. You don't have a lot

498
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<v Speaker 3>of connection or experience with them, so it wasn't something

499
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<v Speaker 3>that I was around all the time. I mean I

500
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<v Speaker 3>would go visit the zoo and they were always my favorites.

501
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<v Speaker 3>I went to the Bronx Zoo was my zoo growing up,

502
00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:37.079
<v Speaker 3>and so they were always my favorites.

503
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<v Speaker 2>Kate says that she got off track a little bit

504
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<v Speaker 2>in college because she found what she was really really

505
00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:44.599
<v Speaker 2>good at naturally was writing and reading and editing and

506
00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:47.759
<v Speaker 2>doing more communications journalism kind of stuff. So in college

507
00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:48.759
<v Speaker 2>she was doing that.

508
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<v Speaker 3>But then all my extracurricular and extra credit things were

509
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<v Speaker 3>like still paleontology and like invertebrate biology and environmental law,

510
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<v Speaker 3>and I looked like as a senior, and I was like,

511
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<v Speaker 3>what am I doing?

512
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<v Speaker 2>Like this?

513
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<v Speaker 3>This is not normal. It was too late to switch,

514
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<v Speaker 3>so I finished that degree and then went back to

515
00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:06.279
<v Speaker 3>get another bachelor's in zoology. So like, this is clearly

516
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:08.920
<v Speaker 3>what I should be doing. It's not something I'm naturally

517
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<v Speaker 3>great at. I have to work at it, but it's

518
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<v Speaker 3>what makes me really happy zoology.

519
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:15.680
<v Speaker 2>What does it mean to work hard at zoology?

520
00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:20.079
<v Speaker 3>You have to do a lot of science classes, including

521
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<v Speaker 3>like stats and vertebrate biology. You learn all about trila

522
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<v Speaker 3>bites up to the higher form chimpanzees and whales and

523
00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:29.079
<v Speaker 3>dolphins and things like that. You also have to have

524
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<v Speaker 3>no ego because you need to gain a lot of experience,

525
00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:36.279
<v Speaker 3>and that starts out very humbling. I mean my first job,

526
00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:40.160
<v Speaker 3>and again I started a little bit later. I wasn't

527
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<v Speaker 3>sure about my path early on. My first job was

528
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<v Speaker 3>dressing up like a lobster outside of the New England

529
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<v Speaker 3>Aquarium as a twenty year old. Yeah, but I did it.

530
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<v Speaker 3>I did it so I would get that internship credit

531
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<v Speaker 3>as an education in turn to teach kids about marine life.

532
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, what was it hot in there?

533
00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:02.440
<v Speaker 3>When my antenna were really long?

534
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:07.359
<v Speaker 2>We would people come and hug you? Or would they scream?

535
00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:09.759
<v Speaker 3>Who doesn't want to wave hide of a lobster on

536
00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:12.359
<v Speaker 3>the street? Well, okay, I'm slowly as like like a

537
00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:14.559
<v Speaker 3>sanction lobster, like, as long as you're somewhere you're supposed

538
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<v Speaker 3>to be.

539
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<v Speaker 2>By the way. I was desperate to see a photo

540
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:20.599
<v Speaker 2>of a person in a lobster costume, so I went

541
00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:23.160
<v Speaker 2>to the New England Aquariums Instagram and I did a

542
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<v Speaker 2>deep dive, which I'm right now I'm realizing that is

543
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:29.640
<v Speaker 2>an egregious pun. I'm sorry to deal with it. I

544
00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:32.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't find pictures of anyone in a lobster costume, sadly,

545
00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:35.079
<v Speaker 2>but I did find one of a human being wearing

546
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:39.759
<v Speaker 2>a plush hammerhead shark get up kind of like a

547
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.759
<v Speaker 2>mascot of the sea. It was glorious. If you like

548
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:45.839
<v Speaker 2>looking at fish, get hip to the New England Aquariums

549
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Instagram because it's very relaxing to look at So that

550
00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:52.079
<v Speaker 2>was your first internship.

551
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:53.839
<v Speaker 3>At the New England Aquarium and then I did several

552
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:56.559
<v Speaker 3>different I had to, you know, learn to live out

553
00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:58.839
<v Speaker 3>of my car and pack up because in the zoo world,

554
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:01.880
<v Speaker 3>again you need to education. You needed experience at a

555
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:03.960
<v Speaker 3>job for the summer, camping out on the planes, and

556
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:06.839
<v Speaker 3>it sounded very fancy because we were doing neonatal prey

557
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:12.359
<v Speaker 3>identification of plovers, which basically means setting up bug traps

558
00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:15.480
<v Speaker 3>and picking through bugs to see what bugs live on

559
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:16.279
<v Speaker 3>the planes.

560
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:20.160
<v Speaker 2>Really, but of plovers, that's a kind of bird. So

561
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:22.759
<v Speaker 2>how did how do how do the bugs and the birds?

562
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:25.720
<v Speaker 2>What were you exactly? Like, what data were you gather?

563
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.720
<v Speaker 3>I know what the baby birds eating, okay, because it

564
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:31.519
<v Speaker 3>was someone's grid project and I was the grunt worker

565
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:33.759
<v Speaker 3>on there. So it's like I will look through this

566
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:37.200
<v Speaker 3>vial of two hundred and twenty two gnats and lets

567
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:38.880
<v Speaker 3>you know how many of them are this kind and

568
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:40.200
<v Speaker 3>how many of them are this kind? And I had

569
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:41.799
<v Speaker 3>a little id charts, so I can't because I'm not

570
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:43.119
<v Speaker 3>an entomologist.

571
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:45.519
<v Speaker 2>So she went from nats to primates.

572
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:49.880
<v Speaker 3>There were chickens in between. Okay, there were fancy chickens, fancy,

573
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:53.279
<v Speaker 3>very endangered at waters prairie chickens in Texas. Again, you

574
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:54.079
<v Speaker 3>start small.

575
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:57.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, when you landed at the La Zoo, did you

576
00:27:57.119 --> 00:27:59.519
<v Speaker 2>have a choice between gorillas and chimpanzees.

577
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.440
<v Speaker 3>So when you are starting out in the zoo world,

578
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:05.400
<v Speaker 3>and again it depends on what animals you like, but

579
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:07.880
<v Speaker 3>you can't really be picky. It's there's not a lot

580
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:09.559
<v Speaker 3>of zoo jobs out there, and there's a lot of

581
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:11.799
<v Speaker 3>people that want to do it. And and again it's

582
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:14.079
<v Speaker 3>not it's not high paying, it's not glory work. So

583
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:15.559
<v Speaker 3>the people who are doing it really want to be

584
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:17.920
<v Speaker 3>doing it so they don't get discouraged very easily. So

585
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 3>you have all kinds of stories of people volunteering for five, six,

586
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:23.960
<v Speaker 3>seven years before they get a part time job, before

587
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:26.240
<v Speaker 3>they get a full time job. People who work in

588
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:28.480
<v Speaker 3>the education departments and the dosins you see, and even

589
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:30.880
<v Speaker 3>probably some of like the service staff you see at

590
00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:33.559
<v Speaker 3>zoos want to be zookeepers. It's just once you're a

591
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.079
<v Speaker 3>zoo keeper. You don't tend to leave because you attained it.

592
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.400
<v Speaker 3>It's a hard job, but you want to stay there.

593
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Plus you've got a whole posse that you're friends with.

594
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.440
<v Speaker 2>You've got like eighteen chimpanzee friends. You can't just leave. Well,

595
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:46.799
<v Speaker 2>what is a typical day like for you? Run me

596
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:48.680
<v Speaker 2>through like fast forward. Do you first come in and

597
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:50.279
<v Speaker 2>do feedings? Do you get there at five in the morning?

598
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:50.960
<v Speaker 2>What's it doing?

599
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:53.799
<v Speaker 3>So our days are pretty we are eight to five,

600
00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:59.000
<v Speaker 3>but most zookeepers will work weekends and holidays, so that's awesome.

601
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.279
<v Speaker 3>Work long enough, maybe they'll give you a Sunday off

602
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:04.880
<v Speaker 3>or like a Saturday off. I'm now up to having

603
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:08.799
<v Speaker 3>a Sunday Monday off, which is super cool. Our days,

604
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:12.519
<v Speaker 3>especially with chimpanzees, they can be different, but for the

605
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.880
<v Speaker 3>most part, a regular day would be coming in. First thing,

606
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:17.960
<v Speaker 3>you do your am check, make sure everyone's okay every night,

607
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:21.920
<v Speaker 3>make sure there were no fights, treat any new wounds

608
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:23.319
<v Speaker 3>that there might be. We do medical care in the

609
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:26.640
<v Speaker 3>morning so all of their meds get given out, kind

610
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.599
<v Speaker 3>of checks everyone. Then we clean the main exhibit and

611
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.319
<v Speaker 3>that can take anywhere from half an hour to two

612
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:35.240
<v Speaker 3>and a half hours, depending on how many days they've

613
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:36.799
<v Speaker 3>been out there or what's been going on, or if

614
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:38.480
<v Speaker 3>we gave them something super fun to play with them,

615
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:40.240
<v Speaker 3>they ripped it into a bajillion pieces. We have to

616
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.240
<v Speaker 3>clean all of that up. So we set up the

617
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:44.599
<v Speaker 3>exhibit and then we open the door and help that

618
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:48.680
<v Speaker 3>they go out. Chimpanzees are very smart, so a good

619
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:50.599
<v Speaker 3>way to keep them happy in captivities to give them

620
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:52.279
<v Speaker 3>as much choice as possible. So if they want to

621
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:54.160
<v Speaker 3>go out, great, If they don't, fine, they can do

622
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.720
<v Speaker 3>whatever they want. We work them in a fission fusion

623
00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.480
<v Speaker 3>management style so that mimics the wild, so they can

624
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:02.400
<v Speaker 3>decide who they want to be with them where they

625
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:02.839
<v Speaker 3>want to go.

626
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.440
<v Speaker 2>So a fission fusion society, I just look this up,

627
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<v Speaker 2>is one where a group changes its size or the

628
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<v Speaker 2>composition depending on the time. So you might have a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of animals all sleeping together and that would be fusion,

630
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<v Speaker 2>or they might split off, which would be fission. So

631
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<v Speaker 2>they might go into groups smaller groups depending on the

632
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<v Speaker 2>day at a forage, or one might sit in a

633
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<v Speaker 2>corner and look at their phone during a party.

634
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<v Speaker 3>So we'll have whole family groups decide that they want

635
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<v Speaker 3>to splinter off and not not join the others for

636
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<v Speaker 3>the day, and that's fine, we'll just put them back

637
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<v Speaker 3>together night. Well, let's say they all decide to go out,

638
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<v Speaker 3>which most of the time they do. Like again, they

639
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<v Speaker 3>are a big family, even though they piss each other off,

640
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<v Speaker 3>their big families, so most of the time they go out.

641
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<v Speaker 3>Then we spend the next four hours cleaning the areas

642
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:48.680
<v Speaker 3>where they just work. So we have a three story

643
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.759
<v Speaker 3>building and a whole secondary enclosure that we clean. We

644
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:54.880
<v Speaker 3>do some educational talks, and then we spend most of

645
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:58.440
<v Speaker 3>the afternoon getting ready for dinner. So it's making behavioral enrichment,

646
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:00.000
<v Speaker 3>which we give them two to three times a day

647
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.000
<v Speaker 3>to keep their minds and bodies nice and.

648
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Active, like fidget spinners or weights or what.

649
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:06.880
<v Speaker 3>They would just smash those. Yeah, that is not enough

650
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<v Speaker 3>for a chimpanzee. Nope.

651
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Or because this is Los Angeles, they'll have the crew

652
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.640
<v Speaker 2>from Planet of the Apes come in to record chimpanzee

653
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:19.720
<v Speaker 2>vocalizations or to watch how they move. These kinds of

654
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:21.799
<v Speaker 2>things probably don't happen in other parts of the country,

655
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:23.440
<v Speaker 2>but it's La.

656
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:29.079
<v Speaker 3>Richmond dinner. Notice how we haven't sat down much during

657
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.079
<v Speaker 3>that we do get a lunch in there sometimes occasionally

658
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:32.839
<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the day.

659
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:34.559
<v Speaker 2>How many steps a day do you walk? Do you

660
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<v Speaker 2>have like a fit bit?

661
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:37.680
<v Speaker 3>I had a fit bit and it was about a

662
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.519
<v Speaker 3>regular day was about twenty two thousand damn. And I

663
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:42.759
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, well that's not even like before I

664
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:44.839
<v Speaker 3>get home and run after my toddlers. So I'm not

665
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<v Speaker 3>gonna wear this anymore. I think I'm good.

666
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're good. That's ten miles a day plus.

667
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's crazy. We are moving moving.

668
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.759
<v Speaker 2>Do you have to keep a log like today Yoshi

669
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:58.559
<v Speaker 2>and Donna really went at it. Oh yeah you do.

670
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:01.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're called I called them in my like kdrs,

671
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:04.079
<v Speaker 3>like keep her daily records, daily reports, and so we

672
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:06.079
<v Speaker 3>have a copy of the building so any keeper coming

673
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:07.599
<v Speaker 3>in can see what's been going on, and we keep

674
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:08.720
<v Speaker 3>them for the last decade.

675
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:10.920
<v Speaker 2>And that's all hot, hot gossip.

676
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.559
<v Speaker 3>It's all hot gossip. It can be boring stuff like hey,

677
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:18.200
<v Speaker 3>we have we caught like three rats today. This is

678
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:20.440
<v Speaker 3>where they're living, so we're gonna keep catching those. Or

679
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:24.319
<v Speaker 3>it can be something where you know, some chimpanzees started

680
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:27.039
<v Speaker 3>on a medication with this one finished a medication or

681
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.200
<v Speaker 3>its behavioral like today Glenn and Sean we're fighting and

682
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:33.039
<v Speaker 3>that doesn't normally happen between the alpha betos. That that's

683
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.400
<v Speaker 3>kind of interesting. We'll keep an eye on that. Or

684
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:38.799
<v Speaker 3>someone is swelling, wouldn't shift and the boys just sat

685
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:39.480
<v Speaker 3>with them all day.

686
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:46.200
<v Speaker 2>I was like swelling, what uh oh, okay? That comes.

687
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.559
<v Speaker 3>We need to you know, track swellings and cycles. Like

688
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:49.960
<v Speaker 3>we have a five year old female now that we're

689
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:51.400
<v Speaker 3>keeping a really close eye on to see when she

690
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:53.960
<v Speaker 3>has her first sexual swelling because when she does, we

691
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:56.480
<v Speaker 3>need to start talking about birth control for her at five.

692
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:00.680
<v Speaker 3>It's well, we're gonna we're starting to look at five,

693
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:02.839
<v Speaker 3>probably by six will need to put on birth control.

694
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Is that normal or just kids grown up too fast

695
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:09.079
<v Speaker 2>as days? It's being careful, okay, so.

696
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:13.039
<v Speaker 3>It's pretty normal. In captivity, the animals do tend to

697
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.359
<v Speaker 3>breed a little bit earlier because they have our better

698
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:19.720
<v Speaker 3>access to nutrition and very good healthcare. In a AZA

699
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:20.720
<v Speaker 3>accredited zoo.

700
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:25.240
<v Speaker 2>What is an AZA accredited zoo? I had no idea.

701
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:29.160
<v Speaker 2>So the AZA is the Association of zoos and aquariums,

702
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:33.039
<v Speaker 2>and in response to some shady animal exhibits, a group

703
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>of animal husbandry and wildlife experts began doing essentially inspections.

704
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:42.720
<v Speaker 2>So according to their site, it's not easy to get.

705
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Only ten percent of the roughly twenty eight hundred USDA

706
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:52.039
<v Speaker 2>licensed animal exhibitors in the country are AZA accredited. It's

707
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:57.200
<v Speaker 2>a pretty prestigious thing. So in an AZA accredited zoo,

708
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:01.319
<v Speaker 2>healthcare pretty good, very good healthcare.

709
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:06.960
<v Speaker 3>In a AZA accredited zoom saying really good healthcare, no code.

710
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.679
<v Speaker 3>So overall they're healthier, they develop a little bit faster,

711
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.639
<v Speaker 3>so they typically wouldn't have a baby until twelve, but

712
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.480
<v Speaker 3>in captivity that can happen a much earlier.

713
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:17.880
<v Speaker 2>And what's your lifespan?

714
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:22.119
<v Speaker 3>About mid forties, mid fifties, okay, And in the wild

715
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:26.440
<v Speaker 3>in captivity it's basically the same, but it's kind of

716
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:29.079
<v Speaker 3>it's not black and white, because the infant mortality in

717
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:31.199
<v Speaker 3>the wild is so high that it's kind of like,

718
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:34.840
<v Speaker 3>if a wild chimpanzee gets age twelve, they really should

719
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:38.320
<v Speaker 3>live to be about fifty, but not as many do.

720
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:42.639
<v Speaker 3>And in AZA zoos and sanctuaries you have very very

721
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:44.760
<v Speaker 3>low infant mortality rate because again we can we can

722
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.239
<v Speaker 3>intervene if you have a baby not eating, for instance,

723
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 3>and our chimpanzees are not going to die of malnutrition

724
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.599
<v Speaker 3>because we weigh them and keep close tabs on their health.

725
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.519
<v Speaker 3>And if someone's who's low ranking is not getting their

726
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:58.079
<v Speaker 3>a proper allotment, then we do supplemental feedings for them

727
00:34:58.199 --> 00:34:59.039
<v Speaker 3>to make sure that they are.

728
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:01.239
<v Speaker 2>There's also no leopards in you're in.

729
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:05.559
<v Speaker 3>There are no lefferts, no, no lions, no hunting. Yeah,

730
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.119
<v Speaker 3>big benefit poachers.

731
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Not so much in the zoo.

732
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:10.159
<v Speaker 4>You know.

733
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:12.519
<v Speaker 2>I was listening back to this and I realized, I

734
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.840
<v Speaker 2>don't really know how I feel about zoos. I don't

735
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.119
<v Speaker 2>know if you know how you feel about zeus. Zoos

736
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.760
<v Speaker 2>seem great for the apes or are they I don't know.

737
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:24.519
<v Speaker 2>And I think when I was doing this interview, I

738
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:26.840
<v Speaker 2>was having such a lovely time talking I didn't even

739
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:30.280
<v Speaker 2>take it in that direction, which was a littlely responsible.

740
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:34.360
<v Speaker 2>So I sent Kate a thirty to fifth email and

741
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:36.079
<v Speaker 2>I asked her what does she say to people who

742
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know how they feel about zoos? What does she

743
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:43.960
<v Speaker 2>say to people who who don't like zeus? What's the deal?

744
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.679
<v Speaker 2>And she wrote me back a really great, concise, informative thing.

745
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:49.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll read it to you real quick. Just because I

746
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:53.000
<v Speaker 2>think it's really good to get straight from a primatologist

747
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:57.400
<v Speaker 2>zoo keeper's mouth. By mouth, I mean fingers and email.

748
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:02.199
<v Speaker 2>So here's what she said. So, most people are opposed

749
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:04.559
<v Speaker 2>to zoos because they believe that animals belong in the

750
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:09.719
<v Speaker 2>wild instead. However, there isn't much wild left, she said.

751
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:12.639
<v Speaker 2>Most of our wild populations of endangered species around the

752
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:16.599
<v Speaker 2>world are living in managed areas that are susceptible to

753
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.960
<v Speaker 2>corruption and illegal poaching and timber removal, also the illegal

754
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:27.840
<v Speaker 2>pet and bush meat trade. So she said, animals in captivity,

755
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.679
<v Speaker 2>in accredited zoos and sanctuaries are born in captivity and

756
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:35.079
<v Speaker 2>they act as ambassadors of their species. They teach millions

757
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:38.239
<v Speaker 2>of people about their wild counterparts and how to help them.

758
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:41.480
<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of information about zoos that's very

759
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:45.360
<v Speaker 2>outdated and incorrect. So if you're not sure, visit your

760
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:48.239
<v Speaker 2>local zoo and learn. Talk to the education staff, talk

761
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:51.000
<v Speaker 2>to the dosins, the animal keepers, and learn about the

762
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:55.960
<v Speaker 2>care which can be exquisite, she says, and the work

763
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:59.360
<v Speaker 2>that they do on behalf of the species to conserve

764
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:02.880
<v Speaker 2>and protect and advocate for it and for the biodiversity

765
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:07.400
<v Speaker 2>of the planet. I thought that was interesting. But let's

766
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.280
<v Speaker 2>as apes talk about apes talking. What did do chimpanzees

767
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:13.480
<v Speaker 2>grunt like kind of grunt more?

768
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they do pant hoots like they're they're like hello,

769
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:18.360
<v Speaker 3>kind of would be like.

770
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:20.239
<v Speaker 4>Like that.

771
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. They also tickle like like they laugh when you

772
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:24.800
<v Speaker 3>when they get tickled. We don't really tickle the adults,

773
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:27.239
<v Speaker 3>but the adults would tickle each other and the babies

774
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:33.000
<v Speaker 3>and they laugh. Oh yeah, that's It's like so creepy.

775
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:33.760
<v Speaker 3>It's awesome.

776
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Wait, did you call them pant hoots? Because I want

777
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.280
<v Speaker 2>that to be like my DJ name. Now that's the poots.

778
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:43.519
<v Speaker 3>Jane Goodall does like the most amazing pant hoot I've

779
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:44.800
<v Speaker 3>ever heard of human being doom.

780
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Hello, Is she a hero of yours?

781
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:57.440
<v Speaker 3>Yes? Yeah, event a couple of times she's like the dopest, right,

782
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.320
<v Speaker 3>She's the dopest And I got to meet her a

783
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:02.840
<v Speaker 3>couple times over my career, which is incredibly lucky. And

784
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.519
<v Speaker 3>she can command a room talking in a whisper, and

785
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:09.119
<v Speaker 3>I've never seen anyone be able to do that.

786
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Does that come in handy when when you're in the

787
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.920
<v Speaker 2>midst with gorillas? I would imagine so right being able

788
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.960
<v Speaker 2>to she did chimps, not gorilla. She did chimps. Gorillas? Yeah,

789
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:19.000
<v Speaker 2>why did I never know that?

790
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 3>Jane Goodl is chimpanzees. Diane Fosse was gorillas.

791
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. Oh that's okay.

792
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:27.599
<v Speaker 3>So Galdicas was orangutans. Those are the Leaky Trio, the

793
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:31.079
<v Speaker 3>three women that Lewis Leaky gave incredible opportunities to.

794
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this just sent me down a labyrinth learning about

795
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:38.280
<v Speaker 2>the Leaky Trio, which is in hindsight, very unfortunate branding.

796
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 2>But they're also called the Trimates. These were three women

797
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:46.679
<v Speaker 2>commissioned by anthropologist named Lewis Leaky in the nineteen sixties

798
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:51.119
<v Speaker 2>to study primates, and Jane Goodall was hired as his secretary,

799
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:54.119
<v Speaker 2>but then he sent her to study chimpanzees. She became

800
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<v Speaker 2>Jane Goodall and barro Tegaldicus been born Baro Ta Galdicas,

801
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Baro Ta Aldacus, Galdicus, Barote Galdicus. My gosh, Barote Galdicas. Okay,

802
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I think it's Barute Goldcas. She was hired to study orangutans,

803
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.960
<v Speaker 2>which it is almost impossible not to say orangutangs. And

804
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:25.039
<v Speaker 2>I've had to edit out so many times I've accidentally

805
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:30.119
<v Speaker 2>said a rangutang, it's o rangutan. It's so hard anyway. Now,

806
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Diane Fosse, who studied Gorillaz, was hired after she traveled

807
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.440
<v Speaker 2>to Africa in nineteen sixty three. She just wanted an adventure.

808
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:41.599
<v Speaker 2>And I'm gonna just shamelessly quote Wikipedia here because it's

809
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:45.119
<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite sentences in the English language. She

810
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:48.679
<v Speaker 2>came to Leaky's attention by spraining her ankle, falling into

811
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the excavation, and vomiting on a giraffe fossil. This whole

812
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:57.400
<v Speaker 2>situation sounds like a really good Jennifer Aniston movie and

813
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:01.239
<v Speaker 2>I love it. Also, why do you think some of

814
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<v Speaker 2>the best parmatologists our ladies, Oh? Or do you think

815
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.159
<v Speaker 2>it's just chance? I think it's like a coin flip.

816
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:11.159
<v Speaker 3>There have been a lot of theories and books written

817
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:13.079
<v Speaker 3>on that. I think you know in those those are

818
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:19.119
<v Speaker 3>the sixties that those women started. They I can really

819
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:20.920
<v Speaker 3>only speak to Jane Goodall because she's the one I

820
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 3>know the most. But you know, she didn't have the

821
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Speaker 3>science background, she didn't have all these preconceived notions of

822
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:28.159
<v Speaker 3>what she should be doing. So she just came in

823
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:32.800
<v Speaker 3>and figured it out with very low energy and not

824
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.000
<v Speaker 3>a lot of assumptions and kind of was very open

825
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:37.639
<v Speaker 3>minded rather than being trained. And this is how you

826
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:39.960
<v Speaker 3>do things which would not work for chimpanzees. You can't

827
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:43.280
<v Speaker 3>come at a chimpanzee. You have to just be and

828
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.199
<v Speaker 3>see if they kind of accept you, and then once

829
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.480
<v Speaker 3>they kind of do, you can work to get closer

830
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:50.880
<v Speaker 3>to them. So I think, and i've most of the

831
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:54.039
<v Speaker 3>people who work with chimpanzees are females, but that's also

832
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:55.760
<v Speaker 3>because in the zoo world it seems to be a

833
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:58.440
<v Speaker 3>little bit more female oriented. But there are certain species

834
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<v Speaker 3>that men seem to gravit hate more towards, like elephants

835
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.719
<v Speaker 3>really and like hoof stock, like giraffes.

836
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:08.880
<v Speaker 2>And things like that.

837
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:13.960
<v Speaker 3>But primates, I don't know, I'm very biased. I'm a

838
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.239
<v Speaker 3>female primatologist, but primates are very very difficult and you

839
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:20.199
<v Speaker 3>have to have an incredible amount of patients, which we

840
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.239
<v Speaker 3>don't all have all the time every day. But you

841
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.320
<v Speaker 3>need to be very very patient and understanding and open minded,

842
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:28.800
<v Speaker 3>and they're going to thwart you any chance they can.

843
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.119
<v Speaker 3>That's what they do. And we always say around the

844
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Chimp building of like the chimps win every day, the

845
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:35.599
<v Speaker 3>chimps win and you just have to let it go

846
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.599
<v Speaker 3>and do your best to work with them and give

847
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:41.400
<v Speaker 3>them what they need. But they might not need what

848
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:43.920
<v Speaker 3>you want them to have, and that's okay. And I

849
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:46.719
<v Speaker 3>think women tend tend to be a little bit more

850
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:51.280
<v Speaker 3>relaxed and less controlling, right, a little more nurturing, a

851
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:56.280
<v Speaker 3>little bit more naturing overall than not. We've had several

852
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:58.880
<v Speaker 3>males on the staff and the chimps thought they were great.

853
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.559
<v Speaker 3>So that's not a qualifier for anyone out there. It's

854
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:07.519
<v Speaker 3>just we've had women with big, loud energy personalities that

855
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.320
<v Speaker 3>the apes are kind of like, eh, well, it took

856
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.400
<v Speaker 3>her a lot longer to get integrated, whereas we've had

857
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:14.920
<v Speaker 3>men come in on their first day and the gym's like,

858
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:15.559
<v Speaker 3>you're cool.

859
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:19.039
<v Speaker 2>So I think it's energy, that makes sense. So the

860
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.400
<v Speaker 2>more chill you are, the better.

861
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they feed off of energy.

862
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:26.360
<v Speaker 2>So does that make Does do you think that that

863
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:28.480
<v Speaker 2>has helped you to modulate your own?

864
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:29.239
<v Speaker 3>Like?

865
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Has has that chilled you out at all?

866
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:31.440
<v Speaker 3>No?

867
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay no, But it just.

868
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:35.440
<v Speaker 3>Means you put on a total facade, like if I like,

869
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:38.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's it's hard because you know, we all

870
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:41.679
<v Speaker 3>have personal lives. Zoo keepers obviously everyone does, and it's

871
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:44.440
<v Speaker 3>hard sometimes you cannot bring that into work. Like if

872
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm upset, we're stressed out of something at home in

873
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:50.480
<v Speaker 3>my personal life, the animals will sense that and will

874
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:52.639
<v Speaker 3>immediately do the opposite of everything you want them to do,

875
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:54.960
<v Speaker 3>which will make you more upset, make you more frustrated.

876
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.440
<v Speaker 3>Like it's not good and those people do not do

877
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.159
<v Speaker 3>well working with animals. You just you have to to

878
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:04.199
<v Speaker 3>cart mentalize and stop. My phone's in my pocket, but

879
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:05.480
<v Speaker 3>I have it on buzz and I'm not going to

880
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:07.599
<v Speaker 3>check it because I've got to deal with this in

881
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:09.679
<v Speaker 3>front of me. And like they have all their own

882
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:11.920
<v Speaker 3>problems too, and so I have to be super focused.

883
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:13.880
<v Speaker 3>And that's hard when you have stuff going.

884
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:16.360
<v Speaker 2>On, I bet. But is there something about it that

885
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:21.639
<v Speaker 2>makes you so happy that you maybe shift mood just

886
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:23.880
<v Speaker 2>because you like being there? Oh yeah, yeah, I.

887
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:25.679
<v Speaker 3>Mean some days are really hard. There are some days

888
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 3>when you know we don't have enough staff. There are

889
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:29.440
<v Speaker 3>days when we're there when we're tired. There are days

890
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:31.360
<v Speaker 3>when we're hurt. There are days when we're sick and

891
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:33.559
<v Speaker 3>we shouldn't be at work, but the animals need us.

892
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:36.519
<v Speaker 3>So we just make it work, and every single day

893
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:39.760
<v Speaker 3>something happens that makes it worth going. I love my job.

894
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:43.480
<v Speaker 2>I have questions that people want me to ask you. Okay,

895
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:46.320
<v Speaker 2>this is kind of like a kind of like a

896
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:47.360
<v Speaker 2>rapid fire around.

897
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:48.920
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'll do my best.

898
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Just answer it.

899
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:51.800
<v Speaker 3>Can I say I don't know or that's insane?

900
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you can say I don't know. Do you like

901
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:57.760
<v Speaker 2>dumb questions in general? Like I always feel like ask

902
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:01.480
<v Speaker 2>smart people dumb questions because chance are other people them

903
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.880
<v Speaker 2>ros must have that questionably. Also, just in general, every

904
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.079
<v Speaker 2>once in a while, you might hear a thumping noise.

905
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:10.280
<v Speaker 2>There's no one sneaking up on you in your home

906
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:13.960
<v Speaker 2>or on your commute. Right now, Kate's dog was just

907
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:16.840
<v Speaker 2>in the corner and thumping its butt around. So if

908
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>you hear a little noise, I'm so sorry. In post,

909
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:23.079
<v Speaker 2>you can't remove an adorable dog's butt. Okay, you ready

910
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.639
<v Speaker 2>for some questions, Yeah, go for it. But before we

911
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:28.599
<v Speaker 2>take questions from you, our beloved listeners, we're going to

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921
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, your questions. Shannon wants to know do monkeys have

931
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:39.039
<v Speaker 2>fingerprints like humans too?

932
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:41.559
<v Speaker 3>Yes? You do? Really fingernails too?

933
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Really? How do they bite them off?

934
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.920
<v Speaker 3>They stay pretty short just by their natural being and

935
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:51.039
<v Speaker 3>crawling around and stuff, But they are pretty short.

936
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:51.719
<v Speaker 2>Some of them.

937
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:55.199
<v Speaker 3>We call them like witch nails or like coconails, like,

938
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:57.000
<v Speaker 3>we really want to trim that, but we don't because

939
00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:58.639
<v Speaker 3>they can take care of themselves. They groom themselves and

940
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.039
<v Speaker 3>they groom each other. Give them a mirror, they'll pick

941
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.039
<v Speaker 3>their teeth, and they'll like kind of pluck their facial

942
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:04.599
<v Speaker 3>hair and things.

943
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.599
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that a big thing in philosophy and psychology that

944
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:10.199
<v Speaker 2>if you can recognize your own reflection, does that make you.

945
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Really really smart?

946
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:11.400
<v Speaker 5>Right?

947
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:14.159
<v Speaker 2>Is that common with apes?

948
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:14.519
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

949
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:18.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, interesting, Okay, I vaguely remembered that this was

950
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:20.239
<v Speaker 2>a thing, so I looked it up and it's called

951
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:26.159
<v Speaker 2>the MSR, or mirror self Recognition Test, So maybe you've

952
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:28.280
<v Speaker 2>heard of it, that idea that if you can recognize

953
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:31.400
<v Speaker 2>yourself in a mirror, it means something about your consciousness. Okay.

954
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Researchers essentially test to see if an animal understands that

955
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:40.039
<v Speaker 2>its reflection is itself or another animal, kind of like

956
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:42.400
<v Speaker 2>when your college roommate us stoned and stared at the

957
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:45.400
<v Speaker 2>mirror forever. Not a lot of animals pass it. It

958
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:49.039
<v Speaker 2>said that dogs don't, but great apes like chimpanzees, possibly

959
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:53.199
<v Speaker 2>guerrillas pass, killer whales, dolphins, a bird or two have

960
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:57.360
<v Speaker 2>passed it's essentially a way to test via laboratory if

961
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:02.280
<v Speaker 2>you are clinically woke. It's also been said to have flaws.

962
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:06.599
<v Speaker 2>It's not considered law. I don't think they've done any

963
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:09.320
<v Speaker 2>studies where they make animals take selfies. But if they do,

964
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:12.840
<v Speaker 2>please ship me in a pod out into space and

965
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:16.800
<v Speaker 2>leave me there. That was not a rapid fire question,

966
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:20.039
<v Speaker 2>So sorry. JR. Wants to know what's to deal with

967
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Billy apes.

968
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:24.760
<v Speaker 3>Billy apes have you heard of them? They're a form

969
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:25.679
<v Speaker 3>of William apes.

970
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what.

971
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea, Bili. We'll look that up, and

972
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. No, I don't know. I don't

973
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:32.400
<v Speaker 2>know what that is. I don't know. Maybe that maybe

974
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:33.880
<v Speaker 2>it's just sor of William Apes.

975
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:35.920
<v Speaker 3>My neighbor, I don't know.

976
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:40.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know William's my father called Billy. All Right,

977
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:42.400
<v Speaker 2>if this question seemed mysterious, just wait till you find

978
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:45.119
<v Speaker 2>out what the Billy ape is. Okay. It's from the

979
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:49.519
<v Speaker 2>jungles of Billy in the Democratic Republic of Congo. It's

980
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:54.239
<v Speaker 2>also called the Bondo mystery ape. I just spent number

981
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:58.000
<v Speaker 2>one forty five minutes watching videos trying to figure out

982
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:01.320
<v Speaker 2>if those jungles are called billy or if it's pronounced

983
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.480
<v Speaker 2>like bill at or something, And maybe that's why it

984
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't click when we were first discussing it. But something

985
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.599
<v Speaker 2>I found out, Yes it's billy, and the mystery apes

986
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.239
<v Speaker 2>are apparently very large chimps that have gorilla like habits

987
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:19.079
<v Speaker 2>of ground nesting. Also, NBC sent a reporter to go

988
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:23.119
<v Speaker 2>capture footage, and I watched this like five minute segment

989
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:28.159
<v Speaker 2>of this reporter flying in camping, rolling up his pants,

990
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:32.360
<v Speaker 2>wading through a small stream, and then leaving with nothing,

991
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:36.320
<v Speaker 2>no footage. They didn't see any of these mystery apes.

992
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:43.400
<v Speaker 2>So chimpin ain't easy, but bondo mystery aping even harder. Okay,

993
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Mike wants to know why are apes still around if

994
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:49.800
<v Speaker 2>humans evolve from them, and this is a question that

995
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:52.599
<v Speaker 2>he feels like people who don't believe in evolution asks.

996
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:56.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, apes did not evolve into humans. Humans did not

997
00:48:56.119 --> 00:49:00.239
<v Speaker 3>evolve from apes. There was a common as ancestor million

998
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:05.760
<v Speaker 3>years ago the smaller primates shot off. Okay, so goodbye monkeys,

999
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:08.039
<v Speaker 3>off they go fifteen million years Then you have this

1000
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:11.559
<v Speaker 3>other creature. Fifteen million years ago, the orangutans split off.

1001
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Good Bye, I ranguetans next around eight million years ago.

1002
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:18.519
<v Speaker 3>Goodbye gorillas. Off they go five to six million years ago,

1003
00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:21.760
<v Speaker 3>Off go the chimps. What was left became humans? Got it?

1004
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.599
<v Speaker 2>Got it perfect? Yeah, okay, thank you. Apparently that question

1005
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:25.239
<v Speaker 2>is asked.

1006
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:28.079
<v Speaker 3>By super common right, like why aren't there a little

1007
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:28.719
<v Speaker 3>hybrids around?

1008
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:29.039
<v Speaker 2>Right?

1009
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Although a study was just done or they just found

1010
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:34.440
<v Speaker 3>out that in Kenya there does seem to be a

1011
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:38.800
<v Speaker 3>about a million year window where humans or a form

1012
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:40.920
<v Speaker 3>an early form of a human was around at the

1013
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:43.800
<v Speaker 3>same time as a chimpanzee. Really, I didn't think so before.

1014
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.280
<v Speaker 3>There's not a lot of chimpanzee fossils out there because

1015
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:48.519
<v Speaker 3>of the nature of their rainforest habitat, they don't really

1016
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:49.599
<v Speaker 3>fossilize real well, well.

1017
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:51.719
<v Speaker 2>That's a good point. And then in the New World

1018
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:53.239
<v Speaker 2>monkeys did they just split off?

1019
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:56.440
<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, that's like the twenty million like off they went?

1020
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, good, all right. So I look this up because

1021
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.760
<v Speaker 2>I thought maybe this was Pangaea related. But it turns

1022
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:06.280
<v Speaker 2>out that Pangaea, that big land mass that was a

1023
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:09.679
<v Speaker 2>cluster of all of our continents, actually drifted apart two

1024
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:12.199
<v Speaker 2>hundred million years ago. So I was off by a

1025
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:14.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of millions of years. So how did these New

1026
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:18.039
<v Speaker 2>World monkeys come over from the Old World? Well, they

1027
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:21.559
<v Speaker 2>think either by a land bridge or by a big

1028
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:26.440
<v Speaker 2>floating raft of vegetation that came over, which I can't

1029
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<v Speaker 2>not think of a bunch of monkeys on a big

1030
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:36.280
<v Speaker 2>mat of palm fronds just kicked back, cruising across the

1031
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:38.679
<v Speaker 2>ocean loving it. And I have a feeling that it

1032
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:41.320
<v Speaker 2>was much more accidental, and it sucked way more than that.

1033
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry monkeys. Christian wants to know he's heard that

1034
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:50.760
<v Speaker 2>sign language is total bs. Do you have opinions on.

1035
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<v Speaker 3>That in general? They're pertaining to a two eights, just

1036
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<v Speaker 3>in general, because I would say I'm pro sign language, right.

1037
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<v Speaker 2>Sign language is a bunch of horse No, but Coco.

1038
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:06.679
<v Speaker 2>She really signing Coco, by the way, a Western Lowland gorilla.

1039
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:09.519
<v Speaker 2>She was born in nineteen seventy one the San Francisco Zoo.

1040
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:12.679
<v Speaker 2>She was taught sign language by her keeper at a

1041
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:16.239
<v Speaker 2>very early age, and her life has been a subject

1042
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<v Speaker 2>to a lot of controversy and plenty of documentaries.

1043
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:25.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh, okay, that is a big topic. Okay, I would

1044
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:29.360
<v Speaker 3>say yes, because she can't as far as I'm aware.

1045
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:31.119
<v Speaker 3>And again, not a Coco expert, But as far as

1046
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm aware, she can form her own words and she

1047
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:35.920
<v Speaker 3>starts conversations, which is a big difference. Then if I

1048
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:37.719
<v Speaker 3>just say do you want milk? And you say milk

1049
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.920
<v Speaker 3>and I say, look, you can speak like, that's not

1050
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:42.840
<v Speaker 3>a conversation. So as far as I know, yes, However,

1051
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:46.239
<v Speaker 3>not many places teach their ape sign language, Like for

1052
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:51.360
<v Speaker 3>our institution, for example, we want our chimpanzees to act

1053
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:54.039
<v Speaker 3>as ambassadors of their wild counterparts. We want people to

1054
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:56.039
<v Speaker 3>come to a zoo and be able to see what

1055
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.239
<v Speaker 3>a wild chimpanzee should behave like. That's why we have

1056
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:03.599
<v Speaker 3>a large exhibit it with a large generation and many

1057
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:08.079
<v Speaker 3>cool individuals that are acting the way wild chimpanzee should sign.

1058
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:10.079
<v Speaker 3>Language is not a part of that. So it's just

1059
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:11.360
<v Speaker 3>a different philosophy.

1060
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so good to know.

1061
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:17.519
<v Speaker 3>But yes, in some cases it would be my thing. Yes,

1062
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:18.360
<v Speaker 3>she's actually signing.

1063
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:20.960
<v Speaker 2>I do love that story where she blamed ripping a

1064
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:23.039
<v Speaker 2>sink out of the wall on a kitten. Do you

1065
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.400
<v Speaker 2>hear that? It's like my favorite story.

1066
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:27.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean yeah that, I mean that that's like a

1067
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:30.239
<v Speaker 3>whole other branch of what I do. It's very interesting,

1068
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:33.800
<v Speaker 3>but that's like very research and finding out their capabilities.

1069
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:36.719
<v Speaker 3>That's not studying the natural behavior of this species. And

1070
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.920
<v Speaker 3>so like you know, like like I call my chimps

1071
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:41.880
<v Speaker 3>chimp chimps because like all of our chimp chimps were

1072
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.159
<v Speaker 3>raised by chimps and have always lived with chimps. You

1073
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:47.000
<v Speaker 3>can take a chimp, remove it from its mom within

1074
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:49.559
<v Speaker 3>a couple of days, raise it as an entertainment chimp,

1075
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:51.920
<v Speaker 3>put it in a show, put it on TV. That's

1076
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:53.559
<v Speaker 3>not a chimp chimp. That chimp does not know how

1077
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:55.440
<v Speaker 3>to be a chimpanzee. It looks like a chimpanzee, but

1078
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:57.400
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't act like one. And so when they get

1079
00:52:57.400 --> 00:52:59.599
<v Speaker 3>too big to handle it around age eight or nine,

1080
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.119
<v Speaker 3>and they realize they're far too dangerous to handle anymore,

1081
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:04.199
<v Speaker 3>and an entertainment company has to decide what to do

1082
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:06.679
<v Speaker 3>with it, well, a lot of times they end up

1083
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:10.079
<v Speaker 3>living alone, which is torture for such a social animal.

1084
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:13.239
<v Speaker 3>So luckily we have a lot of sanctuaries opening up

1085
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.440
<v Speaker 3>now that can take chimpanzees with a lot of basically

1086
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:20.000
<v Speaker 3>are special needs and issues and kind of rehab them

1087
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.480
<v Speaker 3>and get them in with other chimpanzees because they have

1088
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:25.559
<v Speaker 3>a lot of time, and sanctuaries are wonderful places for

1089
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:28.639
<v Speaker 3>animals that don't have any other options. But you know,

1090
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:32.679
<v Speaker 3>they're full of chimps that were denied the ability to

1091
00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:34.400
<v Speaker 3>be who they were supposed to be.

1092
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:37.880
<v Speaker 2>So do they turn into like diaper pariahs, like semi

1093
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:39.000
<v Speaker 2>hybrid humans.

1094
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:43.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh it's bad, yeah, yeah, because they like are a

1095
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:47.119
<v Speaker 3>totally different culture, Like they're not chimp chimps. They're just

1096
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:49.480
<v Speaker 3>not like so you can have zoo and you can

1097
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:52.800
<v Speaker 3>have like, let's say there's a lab chimp that doesn't

1098
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:54.719
<v Speaker 3>have a home. You can't just put it into a

1099
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.920
<v Speaker 3>group of chimp chimps. Oh, they don't speak the same language,

1100
00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:59.159
<v Speaker 3>or the chimp chimps would be like, I don't know

1101
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:01.559
<v Speaker 3>what you are, but you are not acting appropriately, so

1102
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:04.320
<v Speaker 3>we're just gonna kill you. But that doesn't work. You

1103
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:06.119
<v Speaker 3>can probably find that lab chimp a home with some

1104
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:08.559
<v Speaker 3>other lab chimps that also might be kind of similar

1105
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:09.119
<v Speaker 3>in some ways.

1106
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:11.639
<v Speaker 2>But but yeah, like introducing an entertainment chimp and like

1107
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:14.719
<v Speaker 2>suspenders and pants and he's definitely not a like Wroscraft's service,

1108
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Like that's not gonna fly. No, it is not so

1109
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:20.320
<v Speaker 2>well Carlos wants to know. Can a chimp raised in

1110
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:21.480
<v Speaker 2>captivity use a toilet?

1111
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:27.159
<v Speaker 3>I believe some have. Really Again, that's not natural behavior, right,

1112
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:30.639
<v Speaker 3>you could. I mean they're pretty food motivated. I imagine

1113
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:35.360
<v Speaker 3>you could. Okay, Chimpanzees are not naturally latrine animals, so.

1114
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:37.119
<v Speaker 2>They tend to just kind of go wherever.

1115
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:38.719
<v Speaker 3>It takes me four hours to clean them.

1116
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:42.000
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting that they're not just like that's potty corner

1117
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:42.440
<v Speaker 2>over there.

1118
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:45.840
<v Speaker 3>I would love it right now if like we can't

1119
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:47.559
<v Speaker 3>clean an area for several days for like we just

1120
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:50.119
<v Speaker 3>have someone that won't leave for whatever, Like they recognize

1121
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:52.440
<v Speaker 3>it gets gross and like won't sit in certain areas

1122
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.159
<v Speaker 3>and be like ew, Like you know it's they recognize

1123
00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:58.480
<v Speaker 3>it gets gross, but you know they don't have to

1124
00:54:58.519 --> 00:54:59.039
<v Speaker 3>clean it. I do.

1125
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:04.159
<v Speaker 2>John wants to know. This is John Purcell, friend of yours,

1126
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.079
<v Speaker 2>friend of mine. He asks, why are chimps so mean

1127
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:10.639
<v Speaker 2>and bonobo's so loving? Is that is that an appropriate question?

1128
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:14.639
<v Speaker 3>No, John, it is not. Because chimpanzees, yes, can be

1129
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:18.039
<v Speaker 3>violent and aggressive, they could also be extraordinarily loving. Bonobos

1130
00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:20.519
<v Speaker 3>are extraordinarily loving and can also be really nasty and

1131
00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:23.480
<v Speaker 3>aggressive chimpanzee's overall are a little bit more so and

1132
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:26.079
<v Speaker 3>just how they evolved. They do have different societies as well.

1133
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:28.639
<v Speaker 3>The bonobos are matriarchal societies. They have an alpha female,

1134
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.519
<v Speaker 3>so the ladies run the roost there, and in chimpanzee

1135
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:33.880
<v Speaker 3>society it's patriarchals. You have an alpha male running the roost.

1136
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Is that is the matriarchal structure lend itself well to

1137
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:42.679
<v Speaker 2>just the unending orgies that bonobos are known for.

1138
00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:46.000
<v Speaker 3>I would say yes really because but again they fight

1139
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:49.039
<v Speaker 3>just like chimpanzees, just not as frequently, but they certainly do.

1140
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:52.320
<v Speaker 2>That seems more like a burning man situation. Yes, just

1141
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:55.840
<v Speaker 2>everyone just fluid as fuck, you know, like what is

1142
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:59.559
<v Speaker 2>even happening bonobos? I feel like, are the people seem

1143
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:01.840
<v Speaker 2>to like a tribute or people seem to put some

1144
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:04.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of hope on bonobos that like humans can just

1145
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:08.199
<v Speaker 2>be that just like them? Yeah, but bonobos are can

1146
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:10.480
<v Speaker 2>they can they afford to be kind of hyper sexual

1147
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:11.519
<v Speaker 2>because it's matriarchal?

1148
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Probably?

1149
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, good to know. Lorenzo wants to know why do

1150
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.280
<v Speaker 2>I still have back hair? But tall square jot guys

1151
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:21.480
<v Speaker 2>don't waxing? Okay, Reggie wants to know what's the smallest

1152
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.400
<v Speaker 2>primate that can learn a language of sorts? Would you

1153
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:27.800
<v Speaker 2>would you argue that prime that primates have a language

1154
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:29.119
<v Speaker 2>because they communicate absolutely?

1155
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:31.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure what kind of language he's

1156
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:34.360
<v Speaker 3>talking about. But even so, there's great apes which everyone's

1157
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.079
<v Speaker 3>heard of, the gorillas and ranguetans, bonobos and chimpanzees. There's

1158
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:40.920
<v Speaker 3>also lesser apes called gibbons, and so they have found

1159
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:43.760
<v Speaker 3>and they are more from like Indonesia and the Far East,

1160
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:46.079
<v Speaker 3>if you will, And they've found that there can be

1161
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:51.039
<v Speaker 3>all these different species of gibbons, but when analyzing their vocalizations,

1162
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.440
<v Speaker 3>there will be regional accents across species lines.

1163
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Stop it you serious? So some of them sound like Canadian.

1164
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:01.280
<v Speaker 3>Now, like that is all whole other branch of science

1165
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:04.639
<v Speaker 3>that I don't know about syntax and vocalizations. But I

1166
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:06.920
<v Speaker 3>read that study and it was super impressive.

1167
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:09.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, regional dialects. That's blowing my mind.

1168
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:12.559
<v Speaker 3>I mean yeah, Chimpanzees even have like specific calls for snakes,

1169
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:14.599
<v Speaker 3>so like the whole community knows that, like there's a

1170
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:17.079
<v Speaker 3>snake get away because their snakes are kind of dangerous.

1171
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Do they Is it a shrill, like a like a

1172
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:21.119
<v Speaker 2>small girl screaming.

1173
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:25.239
<v Speaker 3>No, it's it. It's like a bark. I've only heard

1174
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:27.480
<v Speaker 3>it once, but I immediately was like, I think that's

1175
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:29.519
<v Speaker 3>the snake bark and it totally was. It was like

1176
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:32.079
<v Speaker 3>a tiny garter snake. Because they don't know. But if

1177
00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:33.599
<v Speaker 3>we hear them make that call, we pull them off

1178
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:35.239
<v Speaker 3>e xib and find the snake because it could be

1179
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:36.519
<v Speaker 3>it could be a rettle snake.

1180
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:41.320
<v Speaker 2>In southern California. That's interesting that the snake fears are

1181
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:42.280
<v Speaker 2>so ingrained.

1182
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Ooh, do you want to know their fun story? Yeah,

1183
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:47.920
<v Speaker 3>another cocktail effect. There was a study done in wild

1184
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.320
<v Speaker 3>chimpanzees where they had all they there was a path

1185
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.440
<v Speaker 3>that the chimpanzees walked along really frequently and it was

1186
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:54.400
<v Speaker 3>really narrow, so it had to be single file. And

1187
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:56.840
<v Speaker 3>they put a fake snake, like a fake dangerous snake

1188
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:00.599
<v Speaker 3>in like right off the path, and this chimp that

1189
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:03.239
<v Speaker 3>had friends following them would bark to tell them the

1190
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:05.880
<v Speaker 3>snake was there. The chimps, they had chimps, they weren't

1191
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:09.760
<v Speaker 3>so closees wouldn't tell them. What sneaky.

1192
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:12.000
<v Speaker 2>That's some sabotage right there.

1193
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:15.599
<v Speaker 3>They're sneaky. We had a female who loves to start trouble.

1194
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:17.440
<v Speaker 3>She just she just finds it fun as far as

1195
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:19.119
<v Speaker 3>we can tell. She just gets a kick out of it.

1196
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:21.039
<v Speaker 3>And she was really, really pregnant, so she couldn't do

1197
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.639
<v Speaker 3>it anymore. And she'd sit and she'd wait for the

1198
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:26.679
<v Speaker 3>lowest dranking female to walk by, and she'd shove her

1199
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:28.400
<v Speaker 3>into one of the males and try to start a

1200
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:30.119
<v Speaker 3>fight that way, and the female would just run away

1201
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:31.559
<v Speaker 3>like I I didn't do I didn't do it. I

1202
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:33.000
<v Speaker 3>didn't know I didn't know it. And then the pregnant

1203
00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:37.280
<v Speaker 3>one would just sit there and just stare drama the girls,

1204
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:39.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, I mean, do you sometimes just sit and watch?

1205
00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:39.800
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

1206
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:41.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all the time. They're fascinating.

1207
00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:44.199
<v Speaker 2>They have put cameras up to see what happens in

1208
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:44.960
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the night.

1209
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:46.519
<v Speaker 3>We thought they went to sleep at like five point

1210
00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:49.159
<v Speaker 3>thirty and kind of woll up around six, but they don't.

1211
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:53.400
<v Speaker 3>They are up up all night. And Ben always gets

1212
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:55.400
<v Speaker 3>up around four in the morning and runs around thumping

1213
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:57.119
<v Speaker 3>his big old feet around and waking everyone up, and

1214
00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:59.159
<v Speaker 3>they all start yelling at him. Oh my god, I'm

1215
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.519
<v Speaker 3>not RESTful. I wonder you see them sleeping during the day.

1216
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:05.000
<v Speaker 2>This is the best. This is the best reality show ever.

1217
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:07.679
<v Speaker 2>Now I want to meet Ben. I want to be like,

1218
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:08.360
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, is that.

1219
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:10.199
<v Speaker 3>Him when you're stucking me anyway?

1220
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I'm like popping by the zoo. Hey,

1221
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Kathy wants to know if you have thoughts on primates

1222
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:19.039
<v Speaker 2>having a bona fide culture. A lah friend to Wall

1223
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:20.880
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know who friend to Wall.

1224
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:24.199
<v Speaker 3>Is fronts to Wall. He's a very big primate researcher.

1225
00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:24.679
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

1226
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:28.960
<v Speaker 3>They absolutely have cultures even within if you're comparing like

1227
00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:34.000
<v Speaker 3>different wild chimpanzees in different countries or different communities will

1228
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:39.320
<v Speaker 3>hunt differently or behave slightly differently. Zoo groups will have

1229
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:41.800
<v Speaker 3>their own cultures as well, just things they've learned within

1230
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:44.000
<v Speaker 3>this zoo. And so it's kind of interesting, Like if

1231
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:46.480
<v Speaker 3>you don't move chimpanzees a ton, but if you do,

1232
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:50.800
<v Speaker 3>one will move and like teach things to a new community,

1233
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:52.519
<v Speaker 3>which is kind of cool. So they definitely have their

1234
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:54.679
<v Speaker 3>own ways to do things. I mean, there's certain cultures

1235
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:58.280
<v Speaker 3>in the wild that will make spears to stab bush

1236
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:01.599
<v Speaker 3>babies in trees. Not every chimp can do that. That's

1237
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:04.360
<v Speaker 3>something that was learned within that one community because they

1238
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:06.960
<v Speaker 3>live with these small prosimians called bushbabies.

1239
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:08.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say, what's the hell's of bush babies.

1240
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:14.360
<v Speaker 3>It's like a mouse monkey with really big eyes. It's

1241
01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:16.239
<v Speaker 3>like something that the five year old would drow. Oh,

1242
01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:18.360
<v Speaker 3>but they're super cool and they live in trees and

1243
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:19.559
<v Speaker 3>they come out at night.

1244
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:22.119
<v Speaker 2>I think, do they want to eat them? Yes, they

1245
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:23.119
<v Speaker 2>do raw.

1246
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:25.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know.

1247
01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:26.840
<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they try them out in the sun or something.

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01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:33.159
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, they just rip them to pieces. Okay.

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01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:35.199
<v Speaker 2>When I first heard the term bush babies, I could

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01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:38.840
<v Speaker 2>not think of a family portrait of George W. Bush

1252
01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:42.480
<v Speaker 2>and his grandchildren, which was upsetting. I looked it up.

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<v Speaker 2>These things honestly do look like living cartoons. They're also

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01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:50.559
<v Speaker 2>called galagos or naga pies, which means little night monkey,

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01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:53.800
<v Speaker 2>and they're related to lemurs and Loris's so they have

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01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:57.199
<v Speaker 2>those huge, like hubcap eyes. And if you're having a

1257
01:00:57.320 --> 01:01:02.079
<v Speaker 2>bad day, Google image search them immediately. They do not

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01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:05.639
<v Speaker 2>look real. In fact, in the Google images, I came

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01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:08.400
<v Speaker 2>across a picture of a stuffed animal, and that stuffed animal,

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01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:11.800
<v Speaker 2>by comparison, sucked it like, wasn't even half as cute

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01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:14.920
<v Speaker 2>as a real bush baby galago naga pie. Oh, they're

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01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:17.320
<v Speaker 2>so cute. I don't want to think about them being

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<v Speaker 2>in peril. Okay, back to tool.

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<v Speaker 3>Use and yeah, and I mean there's some chimp communities

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01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:26.519
<v Speaker 3>that will do termite will use tools to do termite fishing,

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01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:28.599
<v Speaker 3>and others that use different tools for ant fishing, and

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01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:34.239
<v Speaker 3>different communities that will use like anvioles and small small

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01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:36.639
<v Speaker 3>hand rocks to break nuts and things. So they all

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01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:38.719
<v Speaker 3>do it slightly differently, which means it's learned within that

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01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:41.440
<v Speaker 3>community and it's passed again. They're peer learners from generation

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<v Speaker 3>to generation.

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<v Speaker 2>So they'll be like, this is how you make a

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01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:46.599
<v Speaker 2>spirit of kill a bush baby? Yes, and eat bush babies? Yeah.

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01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:48.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I mean there's a lot of studies going

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01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:50.639
<v Speaker 3>on right now where they will watch these like cool

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01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:52.920
<v Speaker 3>resource sites like a termite mound or an ant mound

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01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:55.400
<v Speaker 3>or whatever, and then watch them like make the tools

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01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:57.920
<v Speaker 3>and then leave the tools and then so they can

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01:01:58.039 --> 01:01:59.519
<v Speaker 3>use them like the next week, so like they have

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01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:01.360
<v Speaker 3>four sat to be like next week when I come back,

1281
01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:03.920
<v Speaker 3>when the ants have been replenished, my tools are still here.

1282
01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:06.960
<v Speaker 3>And that the mom will sometimes and it's usually the

1283
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:10.320
<v Speaker 3>moms teaching teaching little ones. They'll make an extra tool

1284
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:12.559
<v Speaker 3>for them or just hand in their tool when they're done.

1285
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:14.599
<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot of like direct learning. I mean

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01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:17.039
<v Speaker 3>I got to watch one of our moms like directly

1287
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:19.960
<v Speaker 3>teaching her kid to walk, which was super cool because

1288
01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:21.920
<v Speaker 3>she'd put her down and she'd cry, and then she'd

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01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:23.760
<v Speaker 3>move four feet away and then beck into her and

1290
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:25.960
<v Speaker 3>be like, come on, you can do it. You could

1291
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:27.119
<v Speaker 3>do it. And I watched it for like an hour.

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01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:27.639
<v Speaker 3>It was amazing.

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01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Did you get emotional?

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01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:28.920
<v Speaker 3>I did.

1295
01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Did you cry a little bit?

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01:02:32.599 --> 01:02:34.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, it's beautiful.

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01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:38.159
<v Speaker 2>Did everyone like whip out their cameras like soup keepers?

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01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Photos are hilarious. I mean, it's like a two thousand

1299
01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:43.880
<v Speaker 3>pictures of our animals.

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01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:44.880
<v Speaker 2>We love them.

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01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:45.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there are are passions.

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01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:50.679
<v Speaker 2>So okay, topical warning, there will be some discussion about

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01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:54.920
<v Speaker 2>poop right now. This question got asked multiple times, okay,

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01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:58.880
<v Speaker 2>once by Ivan, Why I do monkeys fling their poo

1305
01:02:58.960 --> 01:02:59.880
<v Speaker 2>when they're agitated?

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01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay? Well one, not all monkeys do that, okay, okay,

1307
01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:07.320
<v Speaker 3>so that is also a learned behavior. All right, So

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01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:10.000
<v Speaker 3>there are some communities that they all fling their poo

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01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:12.280
<v Speaker 3>and some that they do not. They do not have

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01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:17.320
<v Speaker 3>the I don't know what the word is, deterrence of

1311
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:19.599
<v Speaker 3>fecal matter that we do like that is something that

1312
01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:23.119
<v Speaker 3>humans are like, ooh, that's disgusting gross. Chimpanzees don't and

1313
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:27.079
<v Speaker 3>other primates don't have that. It's something that comes out. Hey,

1314
01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:28.559
<v Speaker 3>that's interesting, and it's there and.

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01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:32.079
<v Speaker 2>It gets a little bit grosser right now for about

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01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:33.360
<v Speaker 2>ten twenty seconds.

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01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:36.239
<v Speaker 3>Maybe if I ate something really yummy yesterday and it's

1318
01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:37.800
<v Speaker 3>in there, maybe I kind of want to eat it again,

1319
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:40.280
<v Speaker 3>to see it, to like taste it again. So they

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01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:41.719
<v Speaker 3>don't think of it as.

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01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:43.559
<v Speaker 2>Gross.

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01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:45.920
<v Speaker 3>It just is. It is gross to us. And as

1323
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:47.880
<v Speaker 3>a keeper, I'm like, no, don't do it, but it's

1324
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:50.559
<v Speaker 3>what you do. But ew, it's really gross and it's

1325
01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:54.039
<v Speaker 3>something to throw. I mean, our chimpanzees don't. We don't

1326
01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:56.960
<v Speaker 3>really have an issue in our zoo with it. But

1327
01:03:57.159 --> 01:03:59.519
<v Speaker 3>they'll throw rocks that they find, they throw, pine cones,

1328
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:01.679
<v Speaker 3>they throw. If we give them coconut shells, they'll throw

1329
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:03.519
<v Speaker 3>coconut shells. And they do it when they're upset because

1330
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:06.039
<v Speaker 3>it's they need to again. They show when they are

1331
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:10.079
<v Speaker 3>upset and if they can't reach somebody else they will

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01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:12.480
<v Speaker 3>throw something to make sure that they know. So we

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01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:14.920
<v Speaker 3>have like one male who loves to throw objects at

1334
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:17.000
<v Speaker 3>one particular female, so he waits for her to walk

1335
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:18.960
<v Speaker 3>below him and he'll nail her in the back with something.

1336
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Does he like her or hatter does not love her

1337
01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:24.920
<v Speaker 3>very much? Okay, but they're on different sides. So even

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01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:27.880
<v Speaker 3>though we have one community, we have two kind of

1339
01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:31.440
<v Speaker 3>dueling groups. Whereas like the alpha male will come from

1340
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:33.639
<v Speaker 3>each group and it's been going back and forth for years.

1341
01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:36.360
<v Speaker 3>So she has aligned herself with the other political party

1342
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:38.679
<v Speaker 3>than the one that's currently in power, and he knows that.

1343
01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:40.119
<v Speaker 3>So he just likes to get a riser. And she

1344
01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:42.239
<v Speaker 3>screams a lot. So if you make her scream, then

1345
01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:45.039
<v Speaker 3>it also makes you look super scary that you cause

1346
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:45.719
<v Speaker 3>such a reaction.

1347
01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:48.079
<v Speaker 2>That is so conniving. This is such a soap opera.

1348
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:49.320
<v Speaker 3>It's Game of thrones.

1349
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:53.199
<v Speaker 2>Really, this is amazing. It is, I mean, does it?

1350
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:56.360
<v Speaker 2>It must? It just must make you reflect on personality

1351
01:04:56.480 --> 01:04:59.199
<v Speaker 2>so much, why certain people have certain personalities like just.

1352
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:02.639
<v Speaker 3>How and ours are Every chimpanze, every primate is going

1353
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:06.039
<v Speaker 3>to be incredibly different. You just have to watch long

1354
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:07.800
<v Speaker 3>enough and you will see them come out and they

1355
01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:09.760
<v Speaker 3>are not hidden. They don't hide anything.

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01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:14.800
<v Speaker 2>What's your least favorite thing about your job or the

1357
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:15.679
<v Speaker 2>worst day on the.

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01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:19.559
<v Speaker 3>Job you've ever had, That would be a tie between.

1359
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:22.480
<v Speaker 3>We do have some medical things that pop up that

1360
01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:26.360
<v Speaker 3>are heartbreaking because they are our loves, they are our passions,

1361
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:28.440
<v Speaker 3>and they're going to have medical issues just like we would,

1362
01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:31.239
<v Speaker 3>and it's difficult because they can't talk to us, so

1363
01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:34.719
<v Speaker 3>it's trying to figure out what has happened, what's going on,

1364
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:37.039
<v Speaker 3>what's the best thing to do in this case. So

1365
01:05:37.159 --> 01:05:40.800
<v Speaker 3>medical stuff is tough, especially end of life stuff in

1366
01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:43.440
<v Speaker 3>a zoo, because a lot of keepers have worked with

1367
01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:46.480
<v Speaker 3>their animals for ten plus years and our job is

1368
01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:48.800
<v Speaker 3>to care for them until their end. And that's the

1369
01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:51.559
<v Speaker 3>same thing as owning a pet and making those difficult decisions.

1370
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:53.880
<v Speaker 3>But you know, most people have one or two dogs

1371
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:56.440
<v Speaker 3>and a couple of cats. When you have forty animals

1372
01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:58.360
<v Speaker 3>in your care, that comes up more often and that's

1373
01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:02.320
<v Speaker 3>really hard. So that stuff kind of sucks, but it's

1374
01:06:02.360 --> 01:06:03.639
<v Speaker 3>part of the job and you have to be super

1375
01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:07.159
<v Speaker 3>objective about it as well, and that's also hard when

1376
01:06:07.159 --> 01:06:10.079
<v Speaker 3>you have patrons not understanding you know, well that animal

1377
01:06:10.119 --> 01:06:12.440
<v Speaker 3>looks really bad, and you're like, while that animal has

1378
01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:15.119
<v Speaker 3>lived five years past his end of life, but he's

1379
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:17.280
<v Speaker 3>still eating and he's happy, and like we're doing our

1380
01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:17.840
<v Speaker 3>best we can.

1381
01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:20.320
<v Speaker 2>And when do they look ratchet? Like do they have

1382
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:23.199
<v Speaker 2>like an eye missing or something, or like when when

1383
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:26.519
<v Speaker 2>would a patron say, like that chip looks terrible?

1384
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:29.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean some some of the chimp wounds look pretty bad. Yeah,

1385
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:32.519
<v Speaker 3>we're not gonna lie. They they really do injure each other,

1386
01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:37.440
<v Speaker 3>but they heal at a rate I mean incredible. There again,

1387
01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:39.679
<v Speaker 3>they're not people, so people will see a wound on

1388
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:42.400
<v Speaker 3>a chimpanzee think, oh my god, what if my kid

1389
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:44.639
<v Speaker 3>had that wound? Why are they not in a hospital

1390
01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:47.880
<v Speaker 3>in a sedated coma, And it's like they will heal

1391
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:50.760
<v Speaker 3>from that, like without ever eating stitches. Like you gotta

1392
01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:53.719
<v Speaker 3>just trust what we're doing. And so that's where it

1393
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:56.760
<v Speaker 3>kind of there's a disconnect between like people assuming that

1394
01:06:57.039 --> 01:07:00.320
<v Speaker 3>the zoo keepers don't care and are just letting animals speed.

1395
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:01.360
<v Speaker 3>It's like, you know what, you don't know that the

1396
01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:04.159
<v Speaker 3>animal that looks bad over there is currently undergoing chemo

1397
01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:07.599
<v Speaker 3>because we're doing everything we can to make sure that

1398
01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:11.239
<v Speaker 3>he's comfortable or this one's technically in hospice care right now,

1399
01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:14.280
<v Speaker 3>so yes, we know she's limping, but like we assure you,

1400
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:17.159
<v Speaker 3>she's getting vet checks every single day. We're monitoring things closely.

1401
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:19.800
<v Speaker 3>We like the people who will then say something and

1402
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:21.519
<v Speaker 3>want to talk about it, because once we explain it,

1403
01:07:21.559 --> 01:07:24.000
<v Speaker 3>they typically understand it's just a lack of knowledge. So

1404
01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:26.599
<v Speaker 3>I was like, come hang out, talk to staff. We

1405
01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:29.079
<v Speaker 3>always have education and people in Dosin's upfront like talk

1406
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:31.519
<v Speaker 3>to them learn. I mean, that's that's a big reason

1407
01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:32.440
<v Speaker 3>why people go to zoos.

1408
01:07:32.760 --> 01:07:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Did you were you surprised that Harambe became such a

1409
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:39.559
<v Speaker 2>weird internet meme? If you touched anything that had the Internet,

1410
01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:43.559
<v Speaker 2>you might have been familiar with the Harambe meme. This

1411
01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:48.079
<v Speaker 2>is after a silver backed gorilla was shot and killed

1412
01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:52.880
<v Speaker 2>at the Cincinnati Zoo after a toddler fell into his enclosure.

1413
01:07:53.840 --> 01:07:57.000
<v Speaker 2>This sparked a lot of debate and outrage and then

1414
01:07:57.039 --> 01:08:01.360
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of really weird Twitter memes and Internet memes.

1415
01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:03.559
<v Speaker 2>If you want to go down that hole, go to

1416
01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:07.679
<v Speaker 2>Know Your Meme dot com, which does an excellent job

1417
01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:10.519
<v Speaker 2>of explaining the inside jokes on the Internet that you

1418
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.400
<v Speaker 2>don't get. But back to the actual incident. How did

1419
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Kate feel about having to see a primate killed to

1420
01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:22.359
<v Speaker 2>protect a human. That's just tragic and sad all around.

1421
01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:26.039
<v Speaker 2>So my short answer is, look, I see it as

1422
01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:27.279
<v Speaker 2>a zoo keeper.

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01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:29.279
<v Speaker 3>I've seen it as someone who has worked with silver

1424
01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:32.920
<v Speaker 3>back gorillas, and as someone with someone who has at

1425
01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:34.880
<v Speaker 3>that age was a three year old toddler. It's a

1426
01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:38.720
<v Speaker 3>tragic accident because I could see every single side, including

1427
01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:41.880
<v Speaker 3>like the ones who like zoos and the ones who

1428
01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:45.760
<v Speaker 3>don't like it's this tragic accident. It happened. It's horrible,

1429
01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:48.000
<v Speaker 3>and in my opinion, the zoo did one hundred percent

1430
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:49.359
<v Speaker 3>of the right thing. There's nothing else you can do.

1431
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:52.000
<v Speaker 3>You can't go to a zoo knowing that the zoo

1432
01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:55.800
<v Speaker 3>takes human life as anything other than the top priority.

1433
01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:58.039
<v Speaker 3>It's you can't do that, and it's something that they

1434
01:08:58.119 --> 01:09:01.840
<v Speaker 3>had to do, and I appreciate that people were concerned about.

1435
01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:04.560
<v Speaker 3>Like the tranquilizer dart, which again is just in TV.

1436
01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:07.960
<v Speaker 3>You shoot usually it's like a character like on Friends.

1437
01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:10.079
<v Speaker 3>I shoot you in the button, then you fall down.

1438
01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:13.159
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't work like that. I have been there when

1439
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:16.920
<v Speaker 3>a silver bacuerrilla was tranquilized and it made him worse.

1440
01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:19.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, it made him enraged. And it took another

1441
01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:22.079
<v Speaker 3>half hour for him to go down. You cannot do

1442
01:09:22.199 --> 01:09:24.800
<v Speaker 3>that with a toddler. And even if he was trying

1443
01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:27.960
<v Speaker 3>to protect which in the beginning, honestly, he just looked confused.

1444
01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:30.840
<v Speaker 3>He looked scared. His lips were pursed, were kind of

1445
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:33.880
<v Speaker 3>puffed out a little bit, which means like they're not sure,

1446
01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:36.039
<v Speaker 3>but they're very, very upset. He could have killed that

1447
01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:41.920
<v Speaker 3>kid just by accident. They had to do that, and

1448
01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:44.399
<v Speaker 3>it was super tragic. And I kept thinking about the

1449
01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:46.760
<v Speaker 3>keepers behind the door who knew that if they didn't

1450
01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:48.600
<v Speaker 3>get hit in, he was dead. They knew that, yeah,

1451
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:50.279
<v Speaker 3>and they did everything they could and they couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that's just horrible. It's just tragic.

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01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:57.760
<v Speaker 2>How much of your job is spent on like safety guidelines,

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01:09:57.880 --> 01:09:58.560
<v Speaker 2>most a lot of it.

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01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Patron safety is never like when we talk about like, okay,

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01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:03.159
<v Speaker 3>what if we have an animal escape, the first thing

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01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:05.159
<v Speaker 3>is patron safety, like what can we do to assure

1458
01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:08.720
<v Speaker 3>that no patrons get hurt? Second is animal safety? And

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01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:11.960
<v Speaker 3>our safety is in there too, but we know what

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01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:14.560
<v Speaker 3>to do, but like that's not my my top concerns like, well,

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01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:16.439
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna walk myself in the building and just pretend

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01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:20.119
<v Speaker 3>this goes away. No, that is not our that is

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01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:22.640
<v Speaker 3>not what we're trained to do. So it's patron safety first.

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01:10:23.600 --> 01:10:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Do you have a favorite day on the job? Is

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01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:27.880
<v Speaker 2>there a day that like it sparkles when you think

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01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:29.880
<v Speaker 2>about it, as cheesy as it is, and I'm not

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01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:32.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna take it back like a unicorn?

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01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:33.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Is that what you means?

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01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:37.039
<v Speaker 3>Can we really lay it on there? A unicorn sprinkly day?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, hmmm. I will regret asking this question. The

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01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:46.840
<v Speaker 2>answer will forever haunt me.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, birthdays are kind of awesome.

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01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:55.520
<v Speaker 2>You're like, what's the problem? Ally, what's why do you

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01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:58.399
<v Speaker 2>have a problem with birthdays? I really really thought that

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01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:01.319
<v Speaker 2>she meant like a birthday party, and I immediately pictured

1477
01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:05.119
<v Speaker 2>a chimp in a hat tooting a party horn with

1478
01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:10.439
<v Speaker 2>maybe a partially demolished Costco sheet cake nearby. That's not

1479
01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:15.720
<v Speaker 2>the kind of birthdays she meant. She meant birth space days.

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01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:18.600
<v Speaker 3>Especially when we've been you know, you know, chimpanzees have

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01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:21.199
<v Speaker 3>an eight month gestation period and we monitor their pregnancies

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01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:23.159
<v Speaker 3>with ultra sounds, so like we're kind of with them

1483
01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:25.039
<v Speaker 3>and we're doing the epts in the beginning and are

1484
01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:27.920
<v Speaker 3>doing our little dances when we learn that they're pregnant.

1485
01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Which they take a regular petas do like they do.

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01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:33.119
<v Speaker 3>Everything we do. Gosh, it's weird. It's super exciting. We

1487
01:11:33.159 --> 01:11:33.880
<v Speaker 3>can get the positive.

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01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:37.319
<v Speaker 3>So the birthdays are fun. Sometimes it's at night, but

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01:11:37.359 --> 01:11:38.960
<v Speaker 3>there have been a couple during the day when, like you,

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01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:40.479
<v Speaker 3>they're in labor all day and you're there for the

1492
01:11:40.520 --> 01:11:44.520
<v Speaker 3>birth and that's really exciting. It's kind of gross too, actually,

1493
01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:47.279
<v Speaker 3>because so unlike us.

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01:11:48.119 --> 01:11:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Listen, this is about to get uh, it's not gonna

1495
01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:54.640
<v Speaker 2>get gross. It's about to get fucking revolting for about

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01:11:54.840 --> 01:12:00.560
<v Speaker 2>forty five seconds. So if you capital see can't capital

1497
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:04.640
<v Speaker 2>d deal, which trust me I understand, hit the fast

1498
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:08.039
<v Speaker 2>forward button. Forty five seconds fast forward. I'm not judging you.

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01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:11.520
<v Speaker 2>But if you're down for a very brief trip down

1500
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:14.920
<v Speaker 2>the willy Wonka tunnel that is the miracle of life,

1501
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:19.760
<v Speaker 2>gurd your loins. Dive headfirst into these great ape birth factoids.

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01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:23.840
<v Speaker 3>They will so the as soon as like the baby

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01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:27.199
<v Speaker 3>pops out and the placenta pops out, the close females

1504
01:12:27.319 --> 01:12:30.319
<v Speaker 3>will just eat the placenta. Oh boy, so like the

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01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:31.680
<v Speaker 3>mom will go pick up the baby, and the other

1506
01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:33.520
<v Speaker 3>females just like lap of the rest of that stuff up,

1507
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:34.920
<v Speaker 3>which is great. They clean for me. That's the one

1508
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:37.960
<v Speaker 3>time they clean for me. I know, it's pretty gross.

1509
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Why do they do that?

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01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:40.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, so, like is it well, we think

1511
01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:42.560
<v Speaker 3>it came out. We think they already ate it. It's

1512
01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:44.600
<v Speaker 3>probably very nutritious. You know, it's very big now to

1513
01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:46.920
<v Speaker 3>do pills and things. I know that, but like they

1514
01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:47.560
<v Speaker 3>just eat it all.

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01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:53.159
<v Speaker 2>That's gonna take me a while the stuff thinking about. Yeah,

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01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:55.439
<v Speaker 2>but it's still warm and everything.

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01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:59.399
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it might even be quivering. It might even be quivering,

1518
01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:01.359
<v Speaker 3>might be.

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01:13:05.239 --> 01:13:06.960
<v Speaker 2>If you were listening closely, you can hear that. Even

1520
01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:08.920
<v Speaker 2>her dog was shuddering in the background.

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01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:12.119
<v Speaker 3>Well, my birthdays are great. I mean they're because all

1522
01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:14.880
<v Speaker 3>of ours are planned and we've been excited and expecting them,

1523
01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:17.520
<v Speaker 3>and as long as everything goes well, it's really exciting

1524
01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:19.600
<v Speaker 3>and it's really nerve racking until you hear the baby nurse.

1525
01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:20.920
<v Speaker 3>And as soon as you hear the baby, I would

1526
01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:25.079
<v Speaker 3>say probably baby nursing is the greatest, the greatest days.

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01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Then we're good, cool, mom and baby are good. We're

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01:13:27.960 --> 01:13:30.039
<v Speaker 3>not gonna have to intervene here. We don't want to

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01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:30.479
<v Speaker 3>have to do that.

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01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:34.479
<v Speaker 2>You don't want to have to breast pomp, sure, I don't.

1531
01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:38.079
<v Speaker 3>I'll do it. It's my job, right, It's not my

1532
01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:40.840
<v Speaker 3>normal part of my job, but we will go to

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01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:44.000
<v Speaker 3>any extreme length. We have to to keep our animals

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01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:45.760
<v Speaker 3>healthy and happy. I mean, that's that's our job.

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01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:49.840
<v Speaker 2>So we'll do it. But it's not always pleasant. And

1536
01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:52.680
<v Speaker 2>so where can people find you? You're You're at the

1537
01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:57.000
<v Speaker 2>La Zoo. So anyone sees a cool a cool looking chick,

1538
01:13:57.199 --> 01:14:01.319
<v Speaker 2>like super pretty, super pretty girl, it's like wind in

1539
01:14:01.359 --> 01:14:02.399
<v Speaker 2>our hair always.

1540
01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:06.359
<v Speaker 3>I always look fresh as a daisy. The marks on

1541
01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:09.000
<v Speaker 3>my outfit are not poo but all they're totally just

1542
01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:12.840
<v Speaker 3>like dirt. So yeah, I'm usually at the chimpanzees of

1543
01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:16.039
<v Speaker 3>Mohali Mountain And if a zoo keeper is not around

1544
01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:18.640
<v Speaker 3>or accessible, our education staff is excellent and they are

1545
01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:20.199
<v Speaker 3>spread out all over the zoo. Most of them have

1546
01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:21.439
<v Speaker 3>knowledge about the animals all.

1547
01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Over the zoo.

1548
01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:23.520
<v Speaker 3>So like, seek someone out if you have a question

1549
01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:25.920
<v Speaker 3>or a common or concern, Like really, most of the time,

1550
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:28.439
<v Speaker 3>we have a very logical answer for things and if

1551
01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:29.960
<v Speaker 3>we don't, we can always get the information to you

1552
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:30.479
<v Speaker 3>for sure.

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01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:34.600
<v Speaker 2>So as always find smart people, ask them questions. Yes,

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01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:39.000
<v Speaker 2>we're normally pretty nice. And as a footnote, if you

1555
01:14:39.199 --> 01:14:41.119
<v Speaker 2>are curious about how you could make an impact or

1556
01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:44.319
<v Speaker 2>how you could contribute to great ape conservation, a couple

1557
01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:47.119
<v Speaker 2>of ways. Number one, don't use companies that use greade

1558
01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:51.399
<v Speaker 2>apes in their products or advertising or animal shows. Don't

1559
01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:54.319
<v Speaker 2>pay to take a selfie with a chimpanzee. Don't purchase

1560
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:57.279
<v Speaker 2>a birthday card that involves a chimpanzee wearing sunglasses on it.

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01:14:57.760 --> 01:14:59.840
<v Speaker 2>You can also learn about the situations that chimpanzees are

1562
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:02.039
<v Speaker 2>seeing in the wild by going to your local zoo,

1563
01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:05.000
<v Speaker 2>or you can like the Facebook pages for the Jin

1564
01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Goodall Institute or the World Widlife Fund. Another thing you

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01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:11.279
<v Speaker 2>can do that I never even thought of, but check

1566
01:15:11.479 --> 01:15:15.159
<v Speaker 2>for palm kernel oil in the ingredients of things you

1567
01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:17.680
<v Speaker 2>eat when things you use. It's in a ton of

1568
01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:21.399
<v Speaker 2>Halloween candy, for example. And by buying things that have

1569
01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:26.239
<v Speaker 2>palm kernel oil, you are helping to contribute to the

1570
01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:31.119
<v Speaker 2>deforestation of habitats for orangutang. So check that out. Thank

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01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:33.159
<v Speaker 2>you guys so much for listening. If you want to

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01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:35.600
<v Speaker 2>keep up to date or tell friends about this, you

1573
01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:41.199
<v Speaker 2>can use the handles on Twitter, Ologies, pod and Instagram. Ologies.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also on there as Ali Ward. Also, if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to buy a shirt about this, we now have

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<v Speaker 2>you to Shannon Eltis who is Urban Farm Foods PDX

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<v Speaker 2>on Facebook. She's an awesome chef in Portland. And her

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<v Speaker 2>sister Bonnie Dutch b o n I Dutch, who is

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<v Speaker 2>an artist. She has an Etsy page. Do you look

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<v Speaker 2>her up? Both of them who are helping me with merch,

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<v Speaker 2>They're being amazing. I can't even deal with it. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>those are the footnotes. Please stay tuned next episode Paleontology.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, one of our one of our specimens may

1587
01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:32.079
<v Speaker 2>be the largest dinosaur from North America. That's huge, literally yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Pacodermatology, homology, ordo zoology, lithology, technology, meteorology, pathology, anthology.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriologyology.

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