1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 I daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,640 go to dpeteclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,679 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:33,920 your support. I want to continue the conversation here about 10 00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:39,759 the Homeowners' associations and the legislation that North Carolina is 11 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:43,920 looking to move through. It's already cleared the Senate. One bill, 12 00:00:44,119 --> 00:00:47,920 Senate Bill three seventy eight cleared the Senate. There's another bill, 13 00:00:48,759 --> 00:00:56,679 House Bill four forty four. That one that one moved 14 00:00:56,719 --> 00:01:00,840 through the North Carolina House Commerce Committee and the Senate 15 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,200 Judiciary Committee. But these are companion bills. They moved through 16 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:10,799 these committees last week and the target is on hoa's 17 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,760 or hoa's as I like to call them, and the 18 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:22,799 bills aim to provide additional protections for homeowners by enhancing transparency, 19 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:30,239 limiting fines, and curbing abusive foreclosure practices. This is according 20 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,280 to Brianna Kramer at the Carolina Journal Carolina Journal dot 21 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,760 com and the headline on this, I thought was important 22 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:47,840 legislators distraught with their own hoa's seek reforms to protect homeowners. See, 23 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:53,120 when you have people in office that have direct experience 24 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:59,239 with various abuses, then they have a desire to do 25 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,920 something about that. Now, whether they're successful or not is 26 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,079 a separate question, right, But this is a motivation And 27 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,759 much like hoa's where people who have some sort of 28 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:13,240 an interaction either positive or negative, but mostly it's negative, 29 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,719 when they have an interaction with the HOA, that then 30 00:02:16,759 --> 00:02:21,599 inspires them to get involved and full disclosure. That's what 31 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:27,080 happened to me. Okay, I was not happy with a 32 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,879 certain situation. I got involved. That's usually what happens at 33 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,759 the HOA level. Which, by the way, it is like, 34 00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:42,199 if you look at hoas as elected office, then that's 35 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,240 it is the largest class of elected officials in America. 36 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,039 Hoas are Do you know how many hoas there are 37 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:57,840 in North Carolina? They're like fourteen thousand of them. And 38 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:05,280 if every HOA has three members at least, then I 39 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:08,879 was told there would be no math. Actually no, But 40 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,039 you can see you're like somewhere in the neighborhood of 41 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:17,159 about what forty thousand HOA representatives. It's a huge class 42 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,280 of elected officials because they do run for election to 43 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:25,120 the HOA. Now, I will tell you like I am not. 44 00:03:26,439 --> 00:03:29,159 I did not run for election. I am not because 45 00:03:29,159 --> 00:03:34,560 we don't have an HOA board that is resident controlled. Yet. 46 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:42,000 The legislator's own frustrations with hoas has fueled this drive 47 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:48,080 to make these changes. And State Representative Frank Eiler from 48 00:03:48,479 --> 00:03:52,000 Brunswick County, he's a Republican. He says, I have been 49 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:55,599 told by the opposition that of the fourteen thousand homeowners 50 00:03:55,639 --> 00:03:58,680 associations in North Carolina that ninety five percent of people 51 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,159 are happy with them. Well, if five percent are not, 52 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,520 that's seven hundred, so, he says, I hope we can 53 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:15,159 take action for the bad actors, right Like, if I 54 00:04:15,159 --> 00:04:18,240 have not heard the argument against this bill from I 55 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:25,040 would assume what builders or property management companies. I don't know, 56 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,920 realtors association. I'm not sure who the opposition is against 57 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:37,160 this bill. But how else are you supposed to reign 58 00:04:37,199 --> 00:04:41,279 in the bad actors? If you can't address the bad acts? 59 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,360 The legislation would cap daily fines at one hundred dollars 60 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:52,959 with a twenty five hundred dollars maximum, so basically you 61 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:54,879 could get fined for the better part of a year 62 00:04:55,519 --> 00:04:58,120 and then the fines would stop at twenty five hundred. 63 00:04:58,959 --> 00:05:05,240 It would also ban retroactive rule changes, which I feel like, 64 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,879 I feel like that's a good idea. You want to 65 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:13,399 create a rule and then go back at somebody like, oh, 66 00:05:13,439 --> 00:05:16,720 I wanted to put on a patio roof, and my 67 00:05:16,759 --> 00:05:19,240 neighbor didn't like the way it looks, and so they, 68 00:05:19,399 --> 00:05:23,439 you know, joined the Architectural Review Committee the ARC as 69 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:26,000 they're called. You join the ARC, and then you go 70 00:05:26,079 --> 00:05:28,240 back and change the rules and say, from now on, 71 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:30,800 like everybody's patio has to look like this, and it 72 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:36,399 applies retroactively. You can't do that, I mean, I guess 73 00:05:36,399 --> 00:05:40,079 you can. Unless this legislation passes. Then you can't do 74 00:05:40,199 --> 00:05:43,800 that because you could go and spend thousands of dollars 75 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,639 on a patio roof and you end up with some 76 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,720 finds accumulating because your neighbor didn't like the way it 77 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,720 turned out. And part of this, and I say this 78 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:56,360 to my neighbors all the time. It's like it's not 79 00:05:56,519 --> 00:06:01,160 your house, right, it's not your house. I understand you 80 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,879 have to look at it. If you know somebody across 81 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:08,160 the street from you does something crazy, gaudy, tacky whatever 82 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,040 across the street, Now you have to look at that 83 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,480 house all the time, and that may not be the 84 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:19,360 most esthetically pleasing thing to you, which is why here's 85 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:24,120 another piece of advice. Get to know your neighbors right 86 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,160 when you move in. Go talk to them, hang out 87 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,360 with them, get to know them, you know, and then 88 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:32,800 when they're thinking about doing something like that, you can 89 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,240 maybe offer some advice of something that looks nicer. You'd 90 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,560 also have a heads up when they're going to do something, 91 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,839 and then you could file an oppositional you know, protest 92 00:06:42,879 --> 00:06:47,839 against it. But like there, you got to have you 93 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,199 got to have some sort of protection to prevent people 94 00:06:51,199 --> 00:06:53,759 from going back and changing the rules in the past 95 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:58,240 and then making you in violation. Basically, so I'm okay 96 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:04,920 with that. It would all so require mediation before most lawsuits. Okay, 97 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:06,920 that's a pretty good step too, if you can save 98 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:10,040 a bunch of legal expenses for not just you, but 99 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:14,600 also the HOA, because the HOA is your neighbors, right, 100 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:18,759 The money that is in the HOA coffer is from 101 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,439 your neighbors, So why would you want to waste your 102 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:27,839 neighbor's money. State Senator Benton Saury, Republican from Johnston, called 103 00:07:27,839 --> 00:07:30,879 it a property rights protection bill. He called it the 104 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,720 most sweeping legislation we have seen in some time with 105 00:07:33,839 --> 00:07:39,240 respect to hoa's in this chamber. It mandates budget transparency. 106 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,079 That's a good thing. That's a very good thing because 107 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,079 a lot of times when you bid out services, you 108 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,680 need to do stuff like you know, law and care 109 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,040 or whatever for the HOA. A lot of times the 110 00:07:54,199 --> 00:07:57,879 companies don't want the numbers to be known because they 111 00:07:57,879 --> 00:08:00,639 don't want their competitors to know what they're bidding on 112 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:07,319 the work. However, the residents don't know, and that's a problem. 113 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: Right. 114 00:08:08,439 --> 00:08:10,639 Speaker 1: If the vendor says you can't release any of this 115 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,759 information and the HOA board says, okay, then the residents 116 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,560 don't know what the contracts are. And if you want 117 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,240 to know if the HOA is wasting money or if 118 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,800 they're spending too much on certain things, then you should 119 00:08:23,879 --> 00:08:28,519 be able to look at the contracts. Right. It restricts 120 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,639 foreclosures until unpaid dues reach six months or twenty five 121 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,720 hundred dollars, and it directs the North Carolina Department of 122 00:08:36,879 --> 00:08:41,879 Justice to track homeowner complaints against hoa's much like the 123 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:44,440 caller in the last hour said, South Carolina had created 124 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,320 this hotline, but that was five years ago. The problem 125 00:08:47,399 --> 00:08:52,279 is there's little enforcement mechanism in South Carolina, what Mark 126 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:57,159 was saying earlier. The bill also bans management companies from 127 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:02,200 profiting from fine collection, ensuring that there is no profit 128 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,399 motive in enforcement. That is completely appropriate. So the HOA 129 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,159 will hire a property management company to oversee the day 130 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,720 to day operations. Because they're all volunteers, they're not getting 131 00:09:12,759 --> 00:09:16,279 paid for their service, and so you hire a property 132 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:18,759 management company right to keep up with all of the 133 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,000 day to day stuff, do the billing and everything else. 134 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:26,000 Give people their pool passes. Well, if they are getting 135 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,960 a cut of the fines that they levy on the homeowners, 136 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,639 then they are incentivized to find more homeowners because they 137 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:40,799 make more money. That is a conflict of interest, absolutely, 138 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:45,360 so I support that idea too. These property management companies 139 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,759 have a contract, that's what they earn. That's it all right. 140 00:09:49,799 --> 00:09:51,639 If you're listening to this show, you know I try 141 00:09:51,639 --> 00:09:53,399 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 142 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,519 I know you do too, And you've probably heard me 143 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,720 say get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because 144 00:09:59,759 --> 00:10:02,480 it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've 145 00:10:02,519 --> 00:10:05,840 been so impressed with ground News. 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Subscribe through that link and you'll get fifteen 157 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,679 percent off any subscription. I use the Vantage plan to 158 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,120 get unlimited access to every feature. Your subscription then not 159 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,159 only helps my podcast, but it also supports ground News 160 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,120 as they make the media landscape more transparent. Let's head 161 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,000 on over to the phones and chat with Mark. Hello, Mark, 162 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:00,360 Welcome to the showy was it going? 163 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 3: I heard the ho A discussion. I couldn't help but 164 00:11:02,519 --> 00:11:05,519 chime in. I've been on both sides of the coin. 165 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,320 I've been a treasurer and a resident uh in the 166 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,919 home I live in. And it's funny you made that distinction, 167 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,159 because before I start wailing on the managed hoas uh, 168 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:22,679 in general, self managed HOA completely self managed is generally 169 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:23,720 pretty good. 170 00:11:23,799 --> 00:11:26,039 Speaker 1: So what is the difference, what's a self managed state? 171 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:26,799 Jo A? 172 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: Well, I thought you kind of made that distinction. So 173 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,440 in other words, we're residents and we do all the 174 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,360 activities literally, even as a treasure I literally did the 175 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,120 tax forms, right, I you know, collected the money sent 176 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,840 basically did accounting activities versus. And that where I'll this 177 00:11:42,879 --> 00:11:46,080 is where I'll lead into a lot of investment properties, 178 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,399 residential properties I have in the area where they outsourced 179 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:54,679 to a you know, uh some members, but they don't 180 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,519 do anything. Basically all the operations and the management is 181 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,240 outsourced to a property management company. 182 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:00,919 Speaker 1: Right, gotcha? 183 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 3: Okay, So so yeah, just old plying on that because 184 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,360 I've been legally involved in a lot of stuff over 185 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,559 the past couple of years. Again a positive note, I 186 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,039 think the tide is shifting a little bit. A lot 187 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,879 of cases that have been escalated to Supreme Court in 188 00:12:17,919 --> 00:12:21,519 North Carolina have been in the favor of the residents 189 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:26,120 against the hoas because of overreach. There's a perfect example 190 00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:28,679 of one a lot of people talk about is the 191 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:33,360 arm using the Armstrong doctrine in cases. Because it was 192 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:36,039 the case of one of the cases I dealt with 193 00:12:36,039 --> 00:12:38,320 with one of my investment properties where they changed the 194 00:12:38,519 --> 00:12:45,600 amended did the CCRs to grossly restrict even long term rentals. 195 00:12:45,919 --> 00:12:48,240 You know, they started in trying to say, hey, you know, 196 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,080 let's get rid of the airbnbs, which is a separate animal, 197 00:12:51,639 --> 00:12:55,039 and say, hey, you know, put all kinds of restrictions. 198 00:12:55,039 --> 00:12:57,000 I don't want to go into too much detail, now. 199 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: I understand, and that's a pretty common thing. Neighborhoods want 200 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,679 a cap, for example, a percentage cap on the number 201 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,159 of rentals, or they'll try to restrict. 202 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 3: What happens get more restrictive. They put timelines on the turnover. 203 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,559 If you exceed that, then you get kicked out of 204 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,159 the pool, which and it could easily you know, basically 205 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,120 make your property ineligible to to put to to get 206 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:22,840 back in and rent, which you lose the intent and 207 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:27,159 that's the you know, which is financially and and then 208 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,799 if there are all kinds of other things, like they 209 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,080 want to know, you know, who's there copies of the 210 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:37,759 lease driver's license. I mean, just really overly restrictive things. Right. 211 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,159 I went through a case where I represented myself pro 212 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,840 se and and got to and those two other comments 213 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:48,720 I want to make I uh uh, and we in 214 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:55,320 a successful settlement and agreement. So I lucked out. But 215 00:13:55,399 --> 00:13:58,399 for most people, and here's the problem. And I've I've 216 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,759 read these bills, and I've contacted some of the legislators, 217 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:05,159 and Okay, it's baby steps, but there's a long way 218 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:14,200 to go to be in the support of the normal homeowner. Because, 219 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,080 first of all, I'll just give an example. If they 220 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:22,080 do a CCR amendment or something amendment to the CCRs 221 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,159 in your neighborhood, and there's all kinds of chitinery of 222 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,000 how they do that. Sometimes they get it approved even 223 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:32,759 in general with the two thirds approval. Say that happens 224 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,840 you by law in North Carolina, you have one year 225 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:42,440 to challenge it. Okay, Well, so two problems there. Number one, 226 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,799 most of times people don't even know about it, and 227 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,600 then secondly by they purposely lay low and don't really 228 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:53,679 hit anybody with anything until they're up to about that 229 00:14:53,759 --> 00:14:57,639 nine or tenth month, right, then they hit people, right, 230 00:14:57,679 --> 00:15:00,559 and then people say, oh my goodness, what's going on? Hey, 231 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,440 look this was a reapproved CCR. Oh guess what you 232 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,080 dig into it? You got two months to respond to that. 233 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:11,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, the statute of limitations has expired. 234 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. And then on top of that, okay, 235 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,240 so then you're unless you've got to you know, a 236 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:22,200 real estate HOA guy that's a buddy. That's another thing 237 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,519 that's happened in this area across North Carolina and probably 238 00:15:25,559 --> 00:15:29,759 the nation. I don't know, but there's basically a very 239 00:15:29,799 --> 00:15:34,399 small number of attorneys that specialize in real estate law 240 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:40,720 hoa contract law that will rep individuals. All the hoas 241 00:15:40,759 --> 00:15:42,840 and the property management companies have sucked. 242 00:15:42,559 --> 00:15:45,279 Speaker 1: Them up right well, and they're conflicted out is what 243 00:15:45,399 --> 00:15:48,600 happens is they you know, their firm has represented a 244 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:50,559 management company, so they can't represent you. 245 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, but even out of the gate without doing the 246 00:15:54,159 --> 00:15:57,080 you know, conflict check. Right out of the gate, you say, hey, 247 00:15:57,559 --> 00:16:00,759 you're a resident, They're like, we don't rep residents. And 248 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,120 I can tell you in the Charlotte area there's basically, 249 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:11,720 I would say, two competent, relatively confident HOA lawyers that 250 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:17,039 rep individuals. That's what you're down to. And I was 251 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,480 able to talk one end to kind of between him 252 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:23,639 and AI and myself, and my knowledge was able to 253 00:16:23,799 --> 00:16:26,639 chance successfully challenge. So that's kind of what I wanted 254 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:28,639 to close out on. For the individual that wants to 255 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:32,519 fight something, you're basically looking at thirty to fifty K 256 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:37,120 just just to push it far enough. And you made 257 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:41,679 your comment about taking your residence money on the legal stuff. 258 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,080 I don't know of the numbers, but for every property 259 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,399 I've ever owned in any HOA, include my own, we 260 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,600 have insurance for that, but they don't care. You know, 261 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,159 they spend it off. It doesn't hit the financials. You know. 262 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,919 The only knife you've got is just to rile the 263 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,720 residence up, you know, get the worry out of what 264 00:17:02,759 --> 00:17:04,680 they're doing. And you know I did a little bit 265 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:05,359 of that myself. 266 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: Sure well you have to. It's like I said, it's 267 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,680 a political office, you know, and that's how you get 268 00:17:10,759 --> 00:17:14,640 a movement on abuses and get them to get them rectified. 269 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,839 Mark I appreciate the call. That's good information. Here's a 270 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:20,720 great idea. How about making an escape to a really 271 00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:24,000 special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a 272 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:26,680 quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is 273 00:17:26,759 --> 00:17:30,640 your connection. 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All right, So looking over these 296 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,039 HOA related bills that are moving through the General Assembly, 297 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,279 and hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of peace people 298 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,319 live in North Carolina under Hoa's and so you may 299 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,880 have a good ha and don't ever really hear from them. 300 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:09,920 You know, they keep the flower beds tidy at the 301 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,400 at the sign at the front of the neighborhood entrance there, 302 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,519 and that's about all they do. I had an HOA 303 00:19:16,599 --> 00:19:19,440 that was like that. We didn't have any amenities. We 304 00:19:19,519 --> 00:19:23,359 had like one walking trail that wasn't even paved, I think, 305 00:19:23,519 --> 00:19:27,200 and they just you know, would fix the flower beds, 306 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,599 mow the grass at the front of the neighborhood and 307 00:19:29,599 --> 00:19:31,359 that was it. And it was a very cheap HOA. 308 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,480 I think we paid two hundred dollars a year. 309 00:19:34,319 --> 00:19:34,839 Speaker 2: That was it. 310 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: But we also didn't have them doing anything. I had 311 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,680 one interaction with them, they said, you have weeds in 312 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,160 your front yard, and so I pulled the weeds and 313 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,759 that was it. Lived there for years and never had 314 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:54,240 any other interaction with them. Some hoa's are abusive, right, 315 00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:59,720 they go after neighbors. They they rule their neighborhood like 316 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:04,960 it's the little fiefdom and it's a problem. Then there 317 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,119 are also hoas that are controlled still by the builder 318 00:20:08,319 --> 00:20:11,400 while they're building, they control the HOA. The board is 319 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:16,039 made up of employees of the builder, and that has 320 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,799 a whole set of different kinds of pros and cons 321 00:20:20,839 --> 00:20:26,359 like all of these situations do so. One of the 322 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:31,480 changes that's in the legislation this is House Bill four 323 00:20:31,599 --> 00:20:36,079 forty four, which cleared out of the North Carolina House 324 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:41,279 Commerce Committee, and I believe all, well, yeah, I think 325 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,559 this one just went through the House Commerce Committee. Yeah, 326 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,960 Senate Bill three seventy eight is in the Senate Judiciary. 327 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:50,400 So these are companion bills essentially, but they do have 328 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,880 some differences. One of them here is I'm just going 329 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,079 to read to you the proposed change because this has 330 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,839 to do with one of the biggest bugaboos in Hoa 331 00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:05,240 on street parking. Love it or hate it, I have 332 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:12,319 found no in between position among my neighbors. People complain 333 00:21:12,759 --> 00:21:17,359 that the cars are in the street, and then the 334 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,519 residents say, well, I have to park in the street 335 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,279 because my driveway is not long enough for two cars. 336 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,640 They're like, well, you got to put it in the driveway, okay, 337 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,480 So they put it in the driveway, and now they're 338 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:32,240 blocking the sidewalk, and then people complain about the sidewalks 339 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:39,480 being blocked. Right, So here is the amended language to 340 00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:45,079 regulate the use, maintenance, repair, replacement, modification of common elements provided. However, 341 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,279 this is the new part that, in the absence of 342 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:53,240 an express authorization in the declaration, a declaration is the 343 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:57,200 thing that the builder does. They are the declarant It's 344 00:21:57,279 --> 00:21:59,960 the stuff that gets filed with the Register of Deed's office. 345 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:03,400 It has all these It lays out all the CCRs, 346 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,759 it lays out all of the sets the original declaration, 347 00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:08,039 and then anything if they want to add some more land, 348 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,599 they want to do some different things. They have to 349 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,960 amend the declaration. And by the way, there as far 350 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,599 as I can tell, there is no requirement for notification 351 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:23,039 to go out to residents when a declarant changes the declaration. 352 00:22:24,279 --> 00:22:27,759 When it's the builder we have had in my current neighborhood, 353 00:22:27,799 --> 00:22:31,880 I think we're up to thirteen amendments, fourteen maybe, and 354 00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:35,480 I'm not aware of any notification that this stuff was 355 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,960 ever amended. It's just you got to keep going back 356 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,519 to the website checking to see if there's a new amendment. So, 357 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,640 unless in the absence of an express authorization in that document, 358 00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:54,920 in that declaration, and association shall not enforce any restriction 359 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,880 on parking of a personal vehicle on a public street 360 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,440 or public road for which the North Carolina Department of 361 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:08,960 Transportation or local government has assumed responsibility for maintenance and repairs. 362 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,559 In other words, if your HOA owns your roads, then 363 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:18,079 they can ban on street parking. But if those roads 364 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:23,039 got turned over to the city or the state, hoas 365 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:28,319 cannot ban on street parking on those streets. That's going 366 00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:31,240 to make some people very happy or very angry, depending 367 00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:36,400 on their view of on street parking. Unless unless the 368 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:42,200 authority to regulate such parking has been expressly delegated to 369 00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:46,480 the association by the NCDOT or the local government. So 370 00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:49,359 if the HOA goes to the city or goes to 371 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,119 the state and they're like, hey, we want to allow 372 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,799 on we want to ban on street parking. Can we 373 00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:56,519 have authorization to do that? And the city and state 374 00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:00,400 says fine, then you have the ability to ban it. 375 00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:06,640 Any such delegation will only be valid for a period 376 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,480 not to exceed five years, at which time the association 377 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:17,519 must reapply to the city or the state. So this 378 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:24,279 presents a problem for certain neighborhoods because this now gets 379 00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:29,319 into forced annexation law. And I remember when the General 380 00:24:29,319 --> 00:24:34,400 Assembly did away with the forcible annexation. So like Charlotte 381 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,119 is so large as city limits are so large because 382 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:42,559 they forcibly annexed all these homes and communities on their 383 00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:47,440 perimeter outside of the city limits. They gobbled it all 384 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:49,880 up because they were allowed to just forcibly annex you 385 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:55,480 into the city and for new developments outside the city. 386 00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:59,920 Those new developments then were built until about twenty eleven, 387 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,759 twenty eleven, twenty twelve, before the Republicans came in and 388 00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:06,920 got rid of this under what's called the extra territorial jurisdiction, 389 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,400 and so the zoning decisions. I remember sitting in council 390 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,559 meetings watching rezonings and people coming down complaining. I did 391 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:20,240 stories on it. They're like, you're rezoning our property or 392 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,400 our neighborhood, and we don't have any elected representation on 393 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,720 the city council because we were outside or they were 394 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:32,160 outside the city limits. But the city was doing the 395 00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:36,359 zoning under the extra territorial jurisdiction idea that well, we're 396 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,920 going to annex you in anyway. In fact, Charlotte and 397 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,480 the six towns around it, they carved up the whole 398 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:46,920 county and they make these zoning decisions for property that's 399 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,079 outside their city limits. So when you have a development 400 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,200 that is building to the Charlotte City Code because they're 401 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,240 governed by the Charlotte ordinances. Because of the extra territorial jurisdiction, 402 00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:05,799 and then the state bans forcible annexation, now you got 403 00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:08,400 to build to the counter to the state road code. 404 00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:14,000 And the state road code is different, and so now 405 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:17,200 you have hoas that have been built and they cannot 406 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,640 turn their roads over to anybody. So now they have 407 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,759 to maintain their own roads, which is very expensive. All right, 408 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,160 So spring is here a time of renewal and celebrations. 409 00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:31,279 You've got graduations, weddings, anniversaries and especial days for mom 410 00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:33,480 and dad. Your family's making memories that are going to 411 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,160 last a lifetime. 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I lived in an HOA and I kept trying 431 00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:39,880 to get them to enforce the street parking thing because 432 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,759 you know, the streets were so small you couldn't hardly 433 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:44,359 back out of your driveway of things. And they eventually 434 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,599 told me that they could not enforce that because it 435 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,119 was a state owned road and that they adopt a 436 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,720 lot of these I guess general clauses into some of 437 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:55,359 these HOA things. So I asked them, I said, well, 438 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,480 if everybody who moves into this neighborhood has to sign 439 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,079 a document, say, and they have received the HOA rules 440 00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:05,400 and regulations, then can we not go after them for 441 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,960 breach of contract since they're parking in the street and 442 00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:10,960 have agreed not to. And that's when I got a 443 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,519 call from their, uh, the HOA attorney told me that 444 00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:15,960 I was harassing them and not to talk to them 445 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,200 about street parking anymore. 446 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: How many times, now, David, how many times did you 447 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,119 talk to them? 448 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 2: Oh? It was quite a few. 449 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:23,599 Speaker 1: Okay. 450 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,839 Speaker 2: You know, that's one of those things where It's like, 451 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,880 if this is a rule, why can't you enforce it? 452 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,720 And then you know, they finally come up with the 453 00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:32,680 excuse of well, it's a state owned road. And as 454 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,160 soon as they said that, I understood. But okay, now 455 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,680 we need to look at breach of contract. People signed 456 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:40,599 saying they would not park out there, right, But. 457 00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:44,359 Speaker 1: How do you so if they sign the document, I 458 00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:46,720 would have to see the document, I mean, because what 459 00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:48,680 is it actual? Yeah, because what does it say? 460 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:51,759 Speaker 2: Documents saying that they had received all of the covenants 461 00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:54,279 of the Hoa and that they agreed to abide by 462 00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:57,200 the rules and the covenants of the Hoa. So therefore 463 00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:59,880 that should have been breach of contract because they weren't 464 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,440 abiding by the rules and covenants of the Hua. 465 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: So but they weren't even they weren't even finding the violations. 466 00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:12,519 Speaker 2: No, not the street parking, but everything else was double 467 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,799 almost it seemed like, so yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why 468 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:17,759 I was going after the whole street parking, because they 469 00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:21,119 were enforcing everything else but not enforcing that. And that 470 00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,160 was what was really sticking in my crawl, was like, 471 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,279 why are you going to enforce everything else but not this? 472 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,319 Speaker 1: And this is then that's yeah. Sorry, this is North Carolina. 473 00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:31,119 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, right in Monroe area. 474 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,319 Speaker 1: So that's interesting because the House bill has this portion 475 00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:42,200 that says, in the absence of expressed authorization in the 476 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:47,759 Declaration and Association, shall not enforce any restriction on parking 477 00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:49,920 of a personal vehicle on a public street or public 478 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,599 road for NCDOT or the local jurisdiction. So and that's 479 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,279 additional language. It's all underlined. So that's newly inserted language. 480 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,119 So I'm curious as to why they thought that that 481 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,359 they couldn't enforce that on state law or on the 482 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,079 state roads unless, of course it's in there or yeah, 483 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,160 I mean, because that's all new language, so it didn't 484 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:13,960 exist before. 485 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just a path of least resistance for them. 486 00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:20,039 They just didn't want to go after it because they 487 00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:22,240 were using the fact that it was a state road 488 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,839 to kind of hold all of the homeowners at Bay 489 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,880 who were complaining about it, right, So yeah, so it 490 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:28,640 just a loop over. 491 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,599 Speaker 1: So what is it about the on street parking that 492 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,119 that that you disapprove of, Well, it was just that 493 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,640 the roads were so small, you know, they're making these 494 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,920 neighborhoods so small, trying to squeeze. 495 00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 2: So many houses in them and making the roads really 496 00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:44,160 small that even if you do park on the street, 497 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,319 you can't hardly get in there. We had an emergency 498 00:30:46,359 --> 00:30:48,680 one night there was street parking. We couldn't even get 499 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,079 an ambulance down the street. Literally they had to bring 500 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:54,279 in a tow truck to move vehicles out of the 501 00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:56,519 way because you couldn't get people out of bed. I 502 00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:59,359 mean it can, it can create a great safety hazard. 503 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,880 People just don't think about that portion of it. 504 00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe a route to go is to do a 505 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,240 single side parking, you know, only allowed to park on 506 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,240 one side of the street, you know on odds and 507 00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:14,559 even days or whatever. Cities do that kind of stuff 508 00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:15,160 all the time. 509 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, if they find it, if they find something that works, 510 00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:21,480 and that's great. It's just unfortunately there was just you know, 511 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:23,720 there was no no rule and it was or there 512 00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:25,680 was a rule, but just never being in force. It 513 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,359 was just all kind of third game. Yeah. 514 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: No, I hear you, Dave. I appreciate the call man 515 00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:33,839 you too. This is one of those things, like I 516 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:39,680 said there, Well, there are things that trip everybody's trigger, 517 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,160 and everybody is different. Some people share the same trigger, right, 518 00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:48,079 but whether it's oh my gosh, you know your garbage 519 00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:51,200 can wasn't taken in, uh, you know promptly after the 520 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,000 trash service, like you got you got to bring it 521 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,039 in by five pm. And you know, somebody walks around 522 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,039 they look at the trash corrals that are supposed to 523 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,920 you know, screen the garbage cans, and oh, my gosh, 524 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,240 it's not up to our code because our code says 525 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,799 it has to be you know, on a paper base 526 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,920 and attached to the house and has to have a 527 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,039 door and whatever has to be a certain color. And 528 00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:15,079 there are people that that's their focus. And then there 529 00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:17,000 are people that are like, oh, we shouldn't allow on 530 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:19,920 street parking. I don't want I don't want it. I 531 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:25,680 don't like it. And and I've told people this in 532 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,160 my neighborhood because they complain about speeding and they complain 533 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,359 about on street parking. I said, you know, if you 534 00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:38,160 allow on street parking, people slow down because subconsciously you 535 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:44,720 drive faster on a wider piece of asphalt right narrower roads. 536 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:49,440 This is new urbanism neo urbanism design. When you narrow 537 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,440 the roads and you allow cars parked on the sides, 538 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,720 traffic slows down. Just naturally. And then the response is always, well, 539 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,079 what about a kid chase the ball out into the 540 00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:03,160 middle of the street. I'm not gonna see them coming 541 00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:05,680 or whatever. Like Yeah, but if you're speeding, you ain't 542 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,680 gonna have time to stop either, So you should be 543 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,000 driving very slowly through the neighborhood streets. Do people do that? 544 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,160 Not always? This is what I have said that Thomas 545 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,240 Soule quote to my neighbors so many times. I keep 546 00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:23,960 telling them there are no solutions, there are only trade offs. 547 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,519 And that's what like this this debate about the on 548 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,640 street versus the uh you know, the driveway parking and 549 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,279 everything else, because there are some houses in my neighborhood 550 00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:36,319 they don't have enough room to park more than a 551 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,319 single car, and then when you park the car in 552 00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:41,000 the driveway, then the car hangs out over the sidewalk, 553 00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:43,319 and then they complain that they can't use the sidewalks. 554 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,680 And that's an ADA compliance problem. You know, bad design 555 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,680 really causes all of this stuff. All right, that'll do 556 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,279 it for this episode. 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