Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property. And for this week of September ninth,
Speaker 1: we are continuing with Lost, Season one, episode ten raised
Speaker 1: by another, a particularly fraught episode. Yeah, nightmares that cause
Speaker 1: your palms to bleed. We have attacks? Was it an attack?
Speaker 1: Was it not an attack? And we have Tom Cruise's
Speaker 1: cousin not Big on the manifest.
Speaker 2: O creepy creepy and also the creepy psychiatrist creepyat not psychic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, creepy, creepy, not one of those wholesome psyche that
Speaker 1: just you know, take your money and tell you something nice. No,
Speaker 1: you could see you on a plane to doom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you must be on this flight. Did they say eight
Speaker 1: fifteen in them enough times?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: But h cree p, we have apparently met our first other.
Speaker 1: Yeah even And this is this is the thing when
Speaker 1: you have just random extras wandering around without names and differentiation,
Speaker 1: it's hard to know when somebody else just kind of
Speaker 1: wanders in.
Speaker 2: Right, So they have to really finally do you know.
Speaker 1: How many weeks getting the idea maybe we should make
Speaker 1: a list?
Speaker 2: I know? Well? And then oh, by the way, we
Speaker 2: do have a list already.
Speaker 1: Yes, they wait till he's done all these interviews to
Speaker 1: tell him, oh, oh, you mean a list of people
Speaker 1: that we're on the plane.
Speaker 2: Hey, oh, like this one right here?
Speaker 1: Yes, but Sawyer is softening up, so he's trying to
Speaker 1: be a good guy. He's trying to be a team player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he gets like another he's one of them.
Speaker 2: He gets about one minute of screen time to show
Speaker 2: that he's not a bad guy.
Speaker 1: Right now, No, no, here's a list now that you've
Speaker 1: done all the work. But see, conveniently that means that
Speaker 1: he can compare his list to the list and fine dum.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Just as Sayid stumbles out of the jungle whispering about
Speaker 1: whisperers and others and crazy French ladies and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: they discover a stranger amongst us who happens to be
Speaker 1: at that moment confronting Clara and Charlie with a really
Speaker 1: creepy look. Yeah, I want to know the direction of
Speaker 1: that scene. Just look menacing in a creepy way, not
Speaker 1: not like a lock with a knife way, but just like,
Speaker 1: what the heck is this guy?
Speaker 2: He seems so normal, gathering his fruits or whatever he was.
Speaker 1: He never did was gathering sticks. I think he was
Speaker 1: always gathering sticks, which is the thing you do when
Speaker 1: your bosses tell you, oh, leveled, write that group. It's
Speaker 1: like you don't want to do.
Speaker 2: Anything makes yourself look fairly.
Speaker 1: I'll pick up some sticks and look around. Right, this
Speaker 1: is going nowhere good. But poor Claire, Yes, her baby
Speaker 1: didn't even have a chance to have the bad daddy
Speaker 1: that he was going to have the bad daddy, Like,
Speaker 1: yes he did. He seemed so nice. You never suspected
Speaker 1: that he would you know that he's impulsive. Hey, let's
Speaker 1: have the baby would wear off after a few weeks, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: good acting by that guy of absolute fecklessness. That must
Speaker 1: have been in the script, just you know, sort of
Speaker 1: proposed to her in a way that indicates that you
Speaker 1: don't really mean it. Yes, and then bring up curtains.
Speaker 1: That's it, I'm out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well wait until she's balanced on a ladder, you know,
Speaker 2: able to fall out a window at any moment. Yeah,
Speaker 2: then break up with her.
Speaker 1: Yes, curtains are the last straw. I think we all
Speaker 1: know that. How dare you try to domesticate me in
Speaker 1: this way with cartons?
Speaker 2: Too much domestice on a windows lady?
Speaker 1: Yes? Oh man, he was not good, and the psychic
Speaker 1: also was. What up with him?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What up?
Speaker 1: So poor? Yeah, Claire's having a bad day. She is
Speaker 1: bad couple of days because she's you know, has the
Speaker 1: nightmare of the one night and has either a second
Speaker 1: nightmare or is actually physically attacked presumably by Ethan on
Speaker 1: the second night. Right, and plus which she's you know,
Speaker 1: gonna give birth any minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so and no stress, she's Charlie's being nothing but nice,
Speaker 2: but she's just like, dude, I'm not interested.
Speaker 1: He's like a little puppy. Yeah, love me, love me,
Speaker 1: love me. I love you. Oh, poor baby, poor baby,
Speaker 1: and poor Claire.
Speaker 3: Also, yes, exactly, and I mean so we got the
Speaker 3: flashbacks in terms of how she got on the plane,
Speaker 3: but right, not a whole lot else about her life,
Speaker 3: although I guess this is the most salient part.
Speaker 1: Her baby must not be raised by another Yeah, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when even the psychic gets creeped out, then you gotta worry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what is this deal?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: There was some good face acting with that guy, just
Speaker 2: like what am I seeing here? But I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you never send the customer away, No, you say,
Speaker 4: I'll tell you, but it will be another two hundred dollars, right,
Speaker 4: He wasn't having that, Nope, But he censor it has
Speaker 4: to be on that flight.
Speaker 1: Yes, Does he know that he is sending her to
Speaker 1: mystery island? Right? And if so, why and who? And
Speaker 1: is everybody destined to be on this island?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Or just lucky her? Right? They thought she would be alone? Yes,
Speaker 1: he realized there's a whole manifested people, therector and various
Speaker 1: other personages.
Speaker 2: So and but with this structure of you know, person
Speaker 2: of the week, flashback of the of the week. I
Speaker 2: know it's not going to be that way forever, but like,
Speaker 2: was it two or three or four episodes ago that
Speaker 2: Sayid got hit on the head and there has been
Speaker 2: like no follow up?
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm surprised that he didn't want that there has
Speaker 1: more conversation.
Speaker 2: About it, Yeah, like who did this?
Speaker 1: Sayid obviously was talking to Locke about it and thought
Speaker 1: that Sawyer did it, but there's been no further discuss
Speaker 1: There was really no discussion directly of it. And no,
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't have like a like an island
Speaker 1: council to say attacked this guy.
Speaker 2: Everyone just just assumes that it's Sawyer. I guess, I.
Speaker 1: Guess, or but well now they have a whole other
Speaker 1: people on the island. Can't been anybody, right, right, I can't.
Speaker 1: I honestly do not remember who it was. But Locke
Speaker 1: does seem like a likely suspect because he don't get
Speaker 1: off of there right, keeps getting better and better.
Speaker 2: All the boar you can eat, functional legs and plenty
Speaker 2: of boar, and a little protege too.
Speaker 1: In the way that I bet he could make Claire
Speaker 1: a cradle in no time flat. I bet that would
Speaker 1: be his thing if she ever gets if she ever
Speaker 1: comes back, if the baby ever comes back, I don't remember,
Speaker 1: but yesh, I mean, things keep getting better for these guys,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. They crash on a plane, then the plane
Speaker 1: is attacking them, then bores are attacking them. They keep
Speaker 1: like kind of overcoming the thing. And then oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, do we mention there's strange people on this
Speaker 1: island who may be hunting us, and also a crazy woman,
Speaker 1: and also somebody hit Sayeed on the head, and also.
Speaker 2: Well, also somebody might be attack and Claire, you know,
Speaker 2: in her sleep while everyone else was sleeping right there.
Speaker 1: I know all this stuff. I remember when I first
Speaker 1: started watching this, And I don't know if it went
Speaker 1: this far into the series or if it was just
Speaker 1: at the very beginning I was thinking. I had gone
Speaker 1: into it thinking this was going to be like a
Speaker 1: dramatized version of Survivor, where it was just going to
Speaker 1: be surviving on an island, dealing with the other people
Speaker 1: in your group, right like I kept thinking, a monster,
Speaker 1: a polar bear. To have them just surviving, is that
Speaker 1: not enough? They gotta find food, They gotta get along
Speaker 1: with each other.
Speaker 3: What if some of these.
Speaker 1: People are you know, bad guys, They're just there's enough
Speaker 1: drama there. Do we need all this? But of course
Speaker 1: yes they need all this other stuff. And you know,
Speaker 1: pretty soon all this other stuff is what it was
Speaker 1: about and not right, you know, that's the show that
Speaker 1: it was and okay, but I still keep thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: it seems like there'd be enough drama without that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: perhaps we don't know. I got enough to deal with
Speaker 1: just keeping forty some people alive, right, you know, weather, animals,
Speaker 1: regular animals, animals do you expect to see in the jungle?
Speaker 2: Well, and a lack of any and all, you know,
Speaker 2: medical supplies, hygiene items, Yes, every.
Speaker 1: Interesting, wouldn't it, Yes, But no, it has to be weird.
Speaker 2: Extremely we will go with the weirdness.
Speaker 1: And somebody was insistent because it gets pirty weird.
Speaker 2: We got to the end of this episode and I
Speaker 2: went to turn it off, and my husband's like, well,
Speaker 2: don't you want to see what happened? Like, don't you
Speaker 2: want to watch the next one and see what happens?
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I do, but I cannot. I can
Speaker 2: only watch one at a time because otherwise my discussion
Speaker 2: will be very even more confused than it already is.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I have to keep telling myself hit the button.
Speaker 2: Hit but turn it off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I did accidentally start reading about the next
Speaker 1: episode when I was reading Unlost PDA about this episode.
Speaker 1: It's so easy to just hit the link, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: is this next episode the one where this thing happens
Speaker 1: that I remember when we saw Ethan last week? I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: I remember Ethan and clear something is that going to
Speaker 1: be next week? Or I thought it was further away?
Speaker 1: But no, there he is. There is we Okay, stuff
Speaker 1: moves faster than I remembered it moving. The weirdness comes
Speaker 1: on a lot faster. I thought it was a little
Speaker 1: slower at the beginning for like the first season. But
Speaker 1: stuff is happening now that I thought was happening at
Speaker 1: the end of the season. Yeah, they're not wasting at
Speaker 1: any time.
Speaker 2: Well, just like the Polar Bear was in like episode
Speaker 2: two or whatever.
Speaker 1: I wanted you to know right away just what kind
Speaker 1: of show you were watching. So all the people who
Speaker 1: wanted it to be Survivor and don't want anything else
Speaker 1: could have left, and I hung on, you know, I've
Speaker 1: liked me in my time some weird TV.
Speaker 2: So you see John from Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about writing something for my substack about
Speaker 1: weird TV and you know, Twin Peaks and Fringe and Lost.
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking that John from Cincinnati is like the
Speaker 1: purest distillation of weird TV because they just got that
Speaker 1: one season to just run them off. And so they did,
Speaker 1: and they got in a whole Elostian six seasons of
Speaker 1: nonsense into one tight season. Right, Ain't easy man? Whatever else,
Speaker 1: you gotta respect that he ran so spectacularly off the
Speaker 1: rails in just like when HBO season of episodes. Right,
Speaker 1: So we tip our hat Lost is gonna Lost is
Speaker 1: taking its time, and yet it's off to a fast
Speaker 1: you can see. You can see how much room for
Speaker 1: weirdness there is by how quickly they're getting into it.
Speaker 2: Right, quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I always enjoy how people get upset about
Speaker 1: things and scared about things, and their solution is to
Speaker 1: run into the jungle. What are you people doing? Beach
Speaker 1: seems like a pretty safe and clearly visible place to be.
Speaker 1: You can see what's coming at you, right the caves.
Speaker 1: At least you have other people the jungle, running randomly
Speaker 1: through the jungle. That does not seem like a place
Speaker 1: of comfort to me. No, Although now Shannon is calling the.
Speaker 2: Caves, so she's calling them the rape case, and the
Speaker 2: whole place is craphole island.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and yes, you know she's got a point.
Speaker 1: But lost, ladies and gentlemen, that is what you will
Speaker 1: feel quite a lot of the time while you were
Speaker 1: watching this thing. What wait, where? Why? When? What are
Speaker 1: you doing? Where did you come from? In terms of parenting,
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing is basically parenting. You're trying
Speaker 1: to protect your in this case, unborn child in a
Speaker 1: place where you cannot predict what is going on. Somebody
Speaker 1: is attacking you, somebody's you know. And then the whole
Speaker 1: adoption thing, you know, make sure before the birth mother
Speaker 1: comes in that all the pens work. This can be
Speaker 1: a very bad thing on. That's that's what tank the
Speaker 1: whole thing. The pens, yep, the pens. You know, just
Speaker 1: scribble on something with each one of them before you go. Right,
Speaker 1: although I suppose on this show you've got to say
Speaker 1: it was fate, right, the psychic went in there beforehand
Speaker 1: and empty.
Speaker 2: He was just scribbling, scribbling, scribbling, scribbling for hours.
Speaker 1: He just brought in some empty pins that he had
Speaker 1: around the house, seated the lawyer's office with.
Speaker 2: Him, and even the adoptive prospective mother's pen person. I
Speaker 2: believe it was the source of another pen.
Speaker 1: Oh man, as an adoptive parent, I'm watching that going.
Speaker 1: I know where this is going. And oh, honey, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. Right, oh, I wanted to get her wrong,
Speaker 1: and she was like, so, she was so nute. They
Speaker 1: didn't seem like they had seemed evil and creepy. The guy.
Speaker 1: The guy, maybe he didn't look like he was so
Speaker 1: sure about it, but the mom really wanted it right,
Speaker 1: and she.
Speaker 2: Was going to sing the song. She was very happy
Speaker 2: to assure Claire that she would do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel your babe, But honestly, probably just
Speaker 1: a well in this situation, he seld somebody who does
Speaker 1: not make a psychic afraid, right, And you know, Jack
Speaker 1: still being in his role of island Papa, yes, feeling
Speaker 1: responsibility for everybody's safety, you know, beating himself up for
Speaker 1: not believing somebody. You know, my kid came home complaining
Speaker 1: about something. I just told him it was nothing and
Speaker 1: ignore it. And it turns out it was something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it turns out there appendix ruptured exactly where they're
Speaker 2: or they're also ruptured whatever.
Speaker 1: Oops oops, I guess that was sorry. So yeah, a powerlessness.
Speaker 2: And going back to Claire for a second. You know
Speaker 2: what kind of all the pressure of you need to
Speaker 2: raise this kid, like, yes, it needs to be influenced
Speaker 2: by your goodness, Like, oh no, that's that's.
Speaker 1: A lot to ask of somebody.
Speaker 2: We're all trying our best here, but like.
Speaker 1: No crush it at all. Unless he is influenced by
Speaker 1: your child's influenced by your goodness, evil things will happen,
Speaker 1: will happen. So don't ever raise your voice. Sweet, sweet
Speaker 1: loving lots of lullabies there. Yeah, you know it'll be fine, right,
Speaker 1: you seem nice. I'm sure you can do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was wondering how old Clara is supposed to be.
Speaker 1: I think the actress was like twenty three.
Speaker 2: I feel it.
Speaker 1: Seemed in some scenes she seemed really young, yeah, and
Speaker 1: in others maybe a little older.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess I was assuming, like sort of
Speaker 2: very early twenties. Yeah, but she could be like nineteen
Speaker 2: or something, you know, she could be.
Speaker 1: I mean, in some tases it sort of. She was
Speaker 1: giving off kind of a teenage vibe. And yeah, some
Speaker 1: of the scenes and another's a little older. So on
Speaker 1: the island she looks older. Maybe the island ages you.
Speaker 1: It's another thing.
Speaker 2: Well, also on the island, and it's not gonna like that.
Speaker 2: Shannon's twenty. We know that now, age twenty address Crappol Island.
Speaker 1: Yes, ah, well, this has set up a lot of
Speaker 1: things that we will be looking forward to seeing, you know,
Speaker 1: advanced in the next episode, which has flashbacks for another person.
Speaker 2: So right, how's that gonna go?
Speaker 1: Yes, it is a Jack episode, a Jack flashback. We
Speaker 1: get back again again. We're going around again. Who hasn't
Speaker 1: had one?
Speaker 2: We haven't had Hurley, we haven't had Shannon and Boone.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true, we haven't had Michael. Right, Oh, we
Speaker 1: have a dad.
Speaker 2: We So it's not Jack's jumping the line.
Speaker 1: Jack's jumping the line. But it's Jack, it's Check. It's
Speaker 1: island Papa. You know he's got issues. This man's got issues,
Speaker 1: and I bet they all have to do with his dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, anyway, tell us the name of the episode
Speaker 2: and we'll we'll figure that out.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, in fact, season one Episode eleven of Lost
Speaker 1: is called All the Best Cowboys have Daddy Issues. So
Speaker 1: the show's just putting it front, like, Okay, we know
Speaker 1: you figured it out by now, but we're just gonna
Speaker 1: underline it with one of those pens that actually works, right.
Speaker 1: But oh, daddy, daddy, daddy. Anyway, so we will see
Speaker 1: you back here tomorrow to discuss only murders in the Building,
Speaker 1: which I think has no daddy issues. Does it have
Speaker 1: any of the episodes had daddy issues?
Speaker 2: I don't think think so.
Speaker 1: It has old man issues. But anyway, thank you for listening.
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