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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property. And for this week of September ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>we are continuing with Lost, Season one, episode ten raised

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<v Speaker 1>by another, a particularly fraught episode. Yeah, nightmares that cause

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<v Speaker 1>your palms to bleed. We have attacks? Was it an attack?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it not an attack? And we have Tom Cruise's

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<v Speaker 1>cousin not Big on the manifest.

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<v Speaker 2>O creepy creepy and also the creepy psychiatrist creepyat not psychic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, creepy, creepy, not one of those wholesome psyche that

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, take your money and tell you something nice. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you could see you on a plane to doom. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you must be on this flight. Did they say eight

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen in them enough times?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>But h cree p, we have apparently met our first other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah even And this is this is the thing when

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<v Speaker 1>you have just random extras wandering around without names and differentiation,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to know when somebody else just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>wanders in.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So they have to really finally do you know.

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<v Speaker 1>How many weeks getting the idea maybe we should make

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<v Speaker 1>a list?

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<v Speaker 2>I know? Well? And then oh, by the way, we

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<v Speaker 2>do have a list already.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they wait till he's done all these interviews to

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<v Speaker 1>tell him, oh, oh, you mean a list of people

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<v Speaker 1>that we're on the plane.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, oh, like this one right here?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but Sawyer is softening up, so he's trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be a good guy. He's trying to be a team player. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets like another he's one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets about one minute of screen time to show

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<v Speaker 2>that he's not a bad guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, No, no, here's a list now that you've

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<v Speaker 1>done all the work. But see, conveniently that means that

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<v Speaker 1>he can compare his list to the list and fine dum.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as Sayid stumbles out of the jungle whispering about

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<v Speaker 1>whisperers and others and crazy French ladies and all this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>they discover a stranger amongst us who happens to be

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<v Speaker 1>at that moment confronting Clara and Charlie with a really

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<v Speaker 1>creepy look. Yeah, I want to know the direction of

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<v Speaker 1>that scene. Just look menacing in a creepy way, not

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<v Speaker 1>not like a lock with a knife way, but just like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the heck is this guy?

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<v Speaker 2>He seems so normal, gathering his fruits or whatever he was.

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<v Speaker 1>He never did was gathering sticks. I think he was

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<v Speaker 1>always gathering sticks, which is the thing you do when

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<v Speaker 1>your bosses tell you, oh, leveled, write that group. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like you don't want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything makes yourself look fairly.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll pick up some sticks and look around. Right, this

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<v Speaker 1>is going nowhere good. But poor Claire, Yes, her baby

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even have a chance to have the bad daddy

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<v Speaker 1>that he was going to have the bad daddy, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>yes he did. He seemed so nice. You never suspected

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<v Speaker 1>that he would you know that he's impulsive. Hey, let's

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<v Speaker 1>have the baby would wear off after a few weeks, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>good acting by that guy of absolute fecklessness. That must

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<v Speaker 1>have been in the script, just you know, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>proposed to her in a way that indicates that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't really mean it. Yes, and then bring up curtains.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it, I'm out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well wait until she's balanced on a ladder, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>able to fall out a window at any moment. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>then break up with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, curtains are the last straw. I think we all

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<v Speaker 1>know that. How dare you try to domesticate me in

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<v Speaker 1>this way with cartons?

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<v Speaker 2>Too much domestice on a windows lady?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Oh man, he was not good, and the psychic

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<v Speaker 1>also was. What up with him?

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<v Speaker 2>Man?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>What up?

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<v Speaker 1>So poor? Yeah, Claire's having a bad day. She is

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<v Speaker 1>bad couple of days because she's you know, has the

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<v Speaker 1>nightmare of the one night and has either a second

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<v Speaker 1>nightmare or is actually physically attacked presumably by Ethan on

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<v Speaker 1>the second night. Right, and plus which she's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>gonna give birth any minute.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so and no stress, she's Charlie's being nothing but nice,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's just like, dude, I'm not interested.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like a little puppy. Yeah, love me, love me,

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<v Speaker 1>love me. I love you. Oh, poor baby, poor baby,

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<v Speaker 1>and poor Claire.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, yes, exactly, and I mean so we got the

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<v Speaker 3>flashbacks in terms of how she got on the plane,

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<v Speaker 3>but right, not a whole lot else about her life,

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<v Speaker 3>although I guess this is the most salient part.

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<v Speaker 1>Her baby must not be raised by another Yeah, okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when even the psychic gets creeped out, then you gotta worry. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so what is this deal?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>There was some good face acting with that guy, just

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<v Speaker 2>like what am I seeing here? But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you never send the customer away, No, you say,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you, but it will be another two hundred dollars, right,

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<v Speaker 4>He wasn't having that, Nope, But he censor it has

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<v Speaker 4>to be on that flight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Does he know that he is sending her to

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<v Speaker 1>mystery island? Right? And if so, why and who? And

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<v Speaker 1>is everybody destined to be on this island?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Or just lucky her? Right? They thought she would be alone? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he realized there's a whole manifested people, therector and various

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<v Speaker 1>other personages.

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<v Speaker 2>So and but with this structure of you know, person

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<v Speaker 2>of the week, flashback of the of the week. I

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<v Speaker 2>know it's not going to be that way forever, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>was it two or three or four episodes ago that

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<v Speaker 2>Sayid got hit on the head and there has been

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<v Speaker 2>like no follow up?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm surprised that he didn't want that there has

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<v Speaker 1>more conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>About it, Yeah, like who did this?

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<v Speaker 1>Sayid obviously was talking to Locke about it and thought

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<v Speaker 1>that Sawyer did it, but there's been no further discuss

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<v Speaker 1>There was really no discussion directly of it. And no,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they didn't have like a like an island

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<v Speaker 1>council to say attacked this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone just just assumes that it's Sawyer. I guess, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess, or but well now they have a whole other

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<v Speaker 1>people on the island. Can't been anybody, right, right, I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly do not remember who it was. But Locke

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<v Speaker 1>does seem like a likely suspect because he don't get

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<v Speaker 1>off of there right, keeps getting better and better.

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<v Speaker 2>All the boar you can eat, functional legs and plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of boar, and a little protege too.

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<v Speaker 1>In the way that I bet he could make Claire

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<v Speaker 1>a cradle in no time flat. I bet that would

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<v Speaker 1>be his thing if she ever gets if she ever

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<v Speaker 1>comes back, if the baby ever comes back, I don't remember,

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<v Speaker 1>but yesh, I mean, things keep getting better for these guys,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't it. They crash on a plane, then the plane

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<v Speaker 1>is attacking them, then bores are attacking them. They keep

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of overcoming the thing. And then oh, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, do we mention there's strange people on this

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<v Speaker 1>island who may be hunting us, and also a crazy woman,

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<v Speaker 1>and also somebody hit Sayeed on the head, and also.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, also somebody might be attack and Claire, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in her sleep while everyone else was sleeping right there.

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<v Speaker 1>I know all this stuff. I remember when I first

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<v Speaker 1>started watching this, And I don't know if it went

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<v Speaker 1>this far into the series or if it was just

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<v Speaker 1>at the very beginning I was thinking. I had gone

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<v Speaker 1>into it thinking this was going to be like a

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<v Speaker 1>dramatized version of Survivor, where it was just going to

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<v Speaker 1>be surviving on an island, dealing with the other people

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<v Speaker 1>in your group, right like I kept thinking, a monster,

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<v Speaker 1>a polar bear. To have them just surviving, is that

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<v Speaker 1>not enough? They gotta find food, They gotta get along

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<v Speaker 1>with each other.

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<v Speaker 3>What if some of these.

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<v Speaker 1>People are you know, bad guys, They're just there's enough

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<v Speaker 1>drama there. Do we need all this? But of course

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<v Speaker 1>yes they need all this other stuff. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty soon all this other stuff is what it was

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<v Speaker 1>about and not right, you know, that's the show that

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<v Speaker 1>it was and okay, but I still keep thinking, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like there'd be enough drama without that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps we don't know. I got enough to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>just keeping forty some people alive, right, you know, weather, animals,

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<v Speaker 1>regular animals, animals do you expect to see in the jungle?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and a lack of any and all, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>medical supplies, hygiene items, Yes, every.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, wouldn't it, Yes, But no, it has to be weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Extremely we will go with the weirdness.

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<v Speaker 1>And somebody was insistent because it gets pirty weird.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to the end of this episode and I

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<v Speaker 2>went to turn it off, and my husband's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you want to see what happened? Like, don't you

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<v Speaker 2>want to watch the next one and see what happens?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, well, I do, but I cannot. I can

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<v Speaker 2>only watch one at a time because otherwise my discussion

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<v Speaker 2>will be very even more confused than it already is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, I have to keep telling myself hit the button.

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<v Speaker 2>Hit but turn it off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I did accidentally start reading about the next

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<v Speaker 1>episode when I was reading Unlost PDA about this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so easy to just hit the link, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>is this next episode the one where this thing happens

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<v Speaker 1>that I remember when we saw Ethan last week? I thought, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember Ethan and clear something is that going to

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<v Speaker 1>be next week? Or I thought it was further away?

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<v Speaker 1>But no, there he is. There is we Okay, stuff

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<v Speaker 1>moves faster than I remembered it moving. The weirdness comes

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<v Speaker 1>on a lot faster. I thought it was a little

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<v Speaker 1>slower at the beginning for like the first season. But

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is happening now that I thought was happening at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the season. Yeah, they're not wasting at

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<v Speaker 1>any time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, just like the Polar Bear was in like episode

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<v Speaker 2>two or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted you to know right away just what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of show you were watching. So all the people who

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<v Speaker 1>wanted it to be Survivor and don't want anything else

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<v Speaker 1>could have left, and I hung on, you know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>liked me in my time some weird TV.

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<v Speaker 2>So you see John from Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been thinking about writing something for my substack about

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<v Speaker 1>weird TV and you know, Twin Peaks and Fringe and Lost.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm thinking that John from Cincinnati is like the

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<v Speaker 1>purest distillation of weird TV because they just got that

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<v Speaker 1>one season to just run them off. And so they did,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta respect that he ran so spectacularly off the

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<v Speaker 1>So we tip our hat Lost is gonna Lost is

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<v Speaker 1>you can see. You can see how much room for

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<v Speaker 2>Right, quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So I always enjoy how people get upset about

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<v Speaker 1>You can see what's coming at you, right the caves.

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<v Speaker 1>At least you have other people the jungle, running randomly

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<v Speaker 1>of comfort to me. No, Although now Shannon is calling the.

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<v Speaker 2>Caves, so she's calling them the rape case, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, and yes, you know she's got a point.

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<v Speaker 1>But lost, ladies and gentlemen, that is what you will

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<v Speaker 1>watching this thing. What wait, where? Why? When? What are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing? Where did you come from? In terms of parenting,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the whole thing is basically parenting. You're trying

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<v Speaker 1>place where you cannot predict what is going on. Somebody

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<v Speaker 1>is attacking you, somebody's you know. And then the whole

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<v Speaker 1>adoption thing, you know, make sure before the birth mother

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<v Speaker 1>comes in that all the pens work. This can be

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing. The pens, yep, the pens. You know, just

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<v Speaker 1>scribble on something with each one of them before you go. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>although I suppose on this show you've got to say

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<v Speaker 1>it was fate, right, the psychic went in there beforehand

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<v Speaker 1>and empty.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just scribbling, scribbling, scribbling, scribbling for hours.

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<v Speaker 1>He just brought in some empty pins that he had

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<v Speaker 2>Him, and even the adoptive prospective mother's pen person. I

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, as an adoptive parent, I'm watching that going.

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<v Speaker 1>I know where this is going. And oh, honey, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so sorry. Right, oh, I wanted to get her wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was like, so, she was so nute. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't seem like they had seemed evil and creepy. The guy.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy, maybe he didn't look like he was so

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<v Speaker 1>sure about it, but the mom really wanted it right,

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<v Speaker 2>Was going to sing the song. She was very happy

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<v Speaker 2>to assure Claire that she would do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I feel your babe, But honestly, probably just

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<v Speaker 1>a well in this situation, he seld somebody who does

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<v Speaker 1>not make a psychic afraid, right, And you know, Jack

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<v Speaker 1>still being in his role of island Papa, yes, feeling

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility for everybody's safety, you know, beating himself up for

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<v Speaker 1>not believing somebody. You know, my kid came home complaining

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<v Speaker 1>about something. I just told him it was nothing and

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<v Speaker 1>ignore it. And it turns out it was something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it turns out there appendix ruptured exactly where they're

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<v Speaker 2>And going back to Claire for a second. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of all the pressure of you need to

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<v Speaker 2>raise this kid, like, yes, it needs to be influenced

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<v Speaker 2>by your goodness, Like, oh no, that's that's.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot to ask of somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all trying our best here, but like.

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<v Speaker 1>No crush it at all. Unless he is influenced by

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<v Speaker 1>your child's influenced by your goodness, evil things will happen,

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<v Speaker 1>will happen. So don't ever raise your voice. Sweet, sweet

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<v Speaker 1>loving lots of lullabies there. Yeah, you know it'll be fine, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you seem nice. I'm sure you can do it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was wondering how old Clara is supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the actress was like twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Seemed in some scenes she seemed really young, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>in others maybe a little older.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I guess I was assuming, like sort of

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<v Speaker 2>very early twenties. Yeah, but she could be like nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, in some tases it sort of. She was

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<v Speaker 1>the island she looks older. Maybe the island ages you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's another thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, also on the island, and it's not gonna like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon's twenty. We know that now, age twenty address Crappol Island.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, ah, well, this has set up a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things that we will be looking forward to seeing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>advanced in the next episode, which has flashbacks for another person.

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<v Speaker 2>So right, how's that gonna go?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is a Jack episode, a Jack flashback. We

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<v Speaker 1>get back again again. We're going around again. Who hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>had one?

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't had Hurley, we haven't had Shannon and Boone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's true, we haven't had Michael. Right, Oh, we

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<v Speaker 2>We So it's not Jack's jumping the line.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack's jumping the line. But it's Jack, it's Check. It's

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<v Speaker 1>island Papa. You know he's got issues. This man's got issues,

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<v Speaker 1>and I bet they all have to do with his dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, anyway, tell us the name of the episode

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll we'll figure that out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, indeed, in fact, season one Episode eleven of Lost

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<v Speaker 1>is called All the Best Cowboys have Daddy Issues. So

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<v Speaker 1>the show's just putting it front, like, Okay, we know

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<v Speaker 1>you figured it out by now, but we're just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>underline it with one of those pens that actually works, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But oh, daddy, daddy, daddy. Anyway, so we will see

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<v Speaker 1>you back here tomorrow to discuss only murders in the Building,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think has no daddy issues. Does it have

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<v Speaker 1>any of the episodes had daddy issues?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think think so.

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<v Speaker 1>It has old man issues. But anyway, thank you for listening.

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