WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:07.040 Big Food and Beyond. 2 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:08.320 With Cliff and Bubo. 3 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.439 These guys are your favorites, so like to subscribe and 4 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:13.160 rade it. 5 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:16.199 I'm study and me. 6 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:24.039 Righteous on yesterday and listening, oh watching Lin always keep 7 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:29.719 it squatching and now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James 8 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:30.399 Bubo Fay. 9 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:34.320 This guy's a big figure. We respect him a lot. 10 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:37.960 He's been involved for fifty sixty years. Whatever it's been, 11 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:41.000 well the information, he's still got stuff going on. He 12 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:43.039 just sent me some audio through the other day. That's 13 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:45.759 something out just in the last two weeks. Great guy, 14 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:49.719 great researcher and a friend of the Squatch and this show. 15 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:52.799 John Andrews from Washington. 16 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:55.000 John, thank you very much for coming on Big Putting 17 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:57.640 Beyond and welcome. We're so pleased and honored to have you. 18 00:00:58.039 --> 00:00:58.240 Yeah. 19 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:01.159 Well, John Andrews, And as I say, I've been at 20 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:04.159 this long and I'd like to admit since believe it 21 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:08.120 or not, the late nineteen fifties and into the sixties 22 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:11.799 in Colorado. So I started there and expanded my research 23 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:17.159 into several of the Western States and British Columbia as well, 24 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:19.319 and even at one point was already to go on 25 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:22.359 an expedition to Mongolia to look for the almas for 26 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:26.359 the almasty. So you know, in all these years, well, 27 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:28.760 I've had quite a bit here. I've always wanted to 28 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:31.599 go to other areas more of a worldwide view of 29 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:34.480 what's going on. And we can discuss that later. 30 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:36.400 Well, John, so you said you got into it in 31 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:38.879 the late nineteen fifties early nineteen sixties. Was it the 32 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:41.439 Jerry Crewe incident that got you in it, or perhaps 33 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:43.519 John Green or what got you going? 34 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:46.959 Yeah? Hey, what a guy questioned, Because I've been reviewing 35 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:48.599 my notes here and I just put down the word 36 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:52.799 Jerry Crew and so you might have remembered in the 37 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:57.480 well Boy Scout article back at that time, was talking 38 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:00.959 about Jerry Crew, and I talked about the Go Road, 39 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:04.519 which you all know about, and I visited and spent 40 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.359 about a week back in there here several years ago, 41 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:11.199 starting off with rather a strained incident even before we 42 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:14.759 went in to that area. So all the things had 43 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:19.520 happened there, you know, the earth moving wheel being picked 44 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:24.560 up and rolled, and then culverts, and I've worked with culverts, 45 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:27.520 you know, twenty foot long culverts being literally picked up 46 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:31.560 and carriaging them. The thrown into a little ravine or something. 47 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:34.520 When I read that, it only took me two seconds 48 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:37.319 to realize something real is going on. It didn't take 49 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:39.759 me long to figure out Bigfoot Israel. 50 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:43.159 Now, did you ever have a chance to meet Jerry 51 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:45.080 Crew back in the day or did there never made 52 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:45.560 the connection. 53 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:48.560 No, it was some time before we even got into 54 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:51.919 northern California and going up the Go Road, hearing about 55 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:54.400 the history of it and knowing that it was the 56 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:57.319 one of the local bands I won't call him, tried 57 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.439 Indian bands that actually stopped the Go Road from going 58 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:03.919 into their sacred area. And it was like a movie, 59 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.960 driving up this nice uh it looked like freshly black 60 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:11.960 asphalted road and seeing the four slowly en roach upon 61 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:15.120 that road, and then parking and then hiking in from 62 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:19.759 there into a big burn area where we spent four 63 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.280 or five or six days. So I never met him, 64 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:26.319 but I've certainly had become familiar with that country here 65 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:27.680 more recently, I see. 66 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:29.080 And you were living out in Colorado at that time. 67 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:31.879 You said, yeah, I was in Colorado, and then we 68 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:34.960 moved to Montana after that, and I carried on my 69 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:35.759 research there. 70 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:39.199 Now you've been back then everybody was in contact with 71 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:41.800 snail mail and phone calls pretty much, because that was 72 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:44.080 only those are the only games in town. Do you 73 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:47.080 remember being in contact with some of those early researchers 74 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:49.000 back of the day, and what were those interactions like? 75 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:52.800 Well, you know, obviously I'd probably forgotten more than I remember, 76 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:56.520 but Bob Tipmas, who really was a big figure. I 77 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:58.840 think they might have faded a bit now because he's died, 78 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:00.759 and as you know, he spent a lot of his 79 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:04.039 life as the next paid up in Harrison. Hodgeprings close 80 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:07.800 to John Green, and I visited him on several occasions 81 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:10.199 on my own and spent hours with him, and he 82 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:13.240 told me some fabulous stories that I'm sure he didn't 83 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:16.480 tell anybody else. And he also gave me a cast 84 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:20.000 of his bigfoot that he had in northern California, and 85 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:21.560 so I've got that to this day. 86 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:23.639 You gotta tell us some of those stories. 87 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.160 Yeah, yeah, So can you tell us something that Bob 88 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:29.879 told me? Because unfortunately, Bob, to me is this figure 89 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:32.879 that almost nobody knows about because the new generation of 90 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:36.600 bigfooters came in with TV and YouTube and whatnot, and Bob, 91 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:40.360 mister Tipmos is just this figure that we're standing on 92 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:42.759 his shoulders, whether we realize it or not. You know, 93 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:45.000 I mean, I'm lucky, Boba and I are lucky enough 94 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:46.839 to realize it. But so many people have no idea 95 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:49.120 who he is. And part of that is because mister 96 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:52.560 Tipmos never really wrote much down. He recorded things on 97 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:56.480 the back of footprint casts in his beautiful, flowing cursive script, 98 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:58.879 but he never wrote a book. He didn't do very 99 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:02.319 many interviews. He didn't really seek attention at all. So 100 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.920 Bob is this kind of elusive, mysterious figure in the 101 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:08.000 history of Bigfoot which we all need to tip our 102 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:11.360 hats to. So anything you can share with us and 103 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:14.759 our audience about Bob Timmas would be very much appreciated. 104 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:17.319 No, I think I sure can't give you some insight 105 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:20.759 into him. I really admired that guy, o end. He 106 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:24.480 was small and wiry, tougher than hell. Again, an next 107 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:27.920 American who ended up working for the Canadian government, I think, 108 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:32.120 on a wildlife officer capacity. And he spent a lot 109 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:35.800 of times plying the inner the inner passage from here 110 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:40.199 to Alaska in a sailboat and in other things. And 111 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:44.079 he got hurt when he was dragging his boat sailboat 112 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:48.120 onto a beach with an Indian friend, and trying to 113 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:51.759 get that boat off of the beach, he badly sprained 114 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:55.360 or injured his back. And from then on until he died, 115 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:58.519 he was in constant pain. And he tried to be 116 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:02.240 civil when he was there to overcome him. But he 117 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:05.920 did his best, and he traveled. He's had some amazing 118 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:09.079 things happened to him in northern California, and then we 119 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:12.560 took him on his last trip to British Columbia. 120 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:14.079 Tell us about that a little bit. 121 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:16.079 Well, you know, he spent a lot of time in 122 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:20.839 northern California, and I'll start with that one. And his 123 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:23.560 story there where he got the footcast was he was 124 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:25.680 by himself with a dog, and we met him there 125 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:30.759 on one occasion, and that he had by himself traveled 126 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:34.519 up what was then a dry river bed, and evening 127 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:36.720 caught up with him, and rather than go back, he 128 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:40.639 laid down in the river bed and covered himself with 129 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:43.319 branches and sticks and things like that to keep a 130 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:47.600 little warm. And upstream from there, up dry river. From there, 131 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:52.279 he heard these heavy footsteps and they came toward him, 132 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:55.519 back back and forth away from him, and toward him 133 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:59.279 on one side of the river, and he could hear 134 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:03.120 that going on all night long. And anyway, he got 135 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:06.480 up the next morning and he came out. But that's 136 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:09.319 the kind of guy that he is. He nothing scared 137 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.399 the guy. He was absolutely amazing. And he spent a 138 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:14.839 lot of time with John Green, since John Green only 139 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:18.399 lived about a five or ten minute drive away from him, 140 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:21.360 and so they became good companions over the years. So 141 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:24.040 that's how I met him. He told me a lot 142 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:26.680 of stories again that he hasn't told anybody else, I think. 143 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:29.519 And then we took him on his last trip. A 144 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:32.360 friend and I a guy who had a little, uh 145 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:36.079 like a little fishing boat, and we drove up there 146 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:38.839 and met him when we were towing the boat behind us, 147 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:42.120 and we took him up to Bella Coola. Now you 148 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:44.160 have to go to Williams Lake from where he lives, 149 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:46.920 which is maybe a four hour drive, and then from 150 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:51.160 there about two hundred and seventy five miles of road 151 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:55.199 into Bella Coola. And so we let him drive for 152 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:57.759 a while. But I was never so happy in my 153 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:01.600 life to get him up from the driver's seat. He 154 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:03.600 was a white knuckle driver. 155 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:06.399 Well, he said, white knuckle driver. He had white knuckles 156 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:07.480 that you guys did hanging. 157 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:11.160 On well, I mean he drove like a maniac. He 158 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:14.240 was a fast driver to corners fast and we were 159 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:17.120 very concerned about getting there alive. He seemed to have 160 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:20.759 a real man. He was a real man, a mission guy, 161 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:24.639 and so we drove in and then we took this boat. 162 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:27.959 We spent quite close to a week. He took us 163 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:31.439 back to for the white bear, their commody. You've heard 164 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:34.919 about up there on Prince of I'm going to say 165 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:39.120 Prince of Wales Island, where he actually saw the white bear. 166 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:43.360 He put up a trap for a big hunter in 167 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:47.639 order to catch the bear, and he never caught it. 168 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:51.279 But while we were up there, on two occasions, I 169 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:54.759 saw the white bear, their commody, up on the interior 170 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:57.399 of the island, and we were just fortunate at the 171 00:08:57.399 --> 00:08:59.840 time we were there to have them walking along one 172 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:03.080 of the beaches, and so I saw the Kramodi there's 173 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:05.840 so many people had been looking for had never seen. 174 00:09:06.759 --> 00:09:09.840 And we saw them a day later in another area 175 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:12.159 right up along right up at this island up there 176 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:15.559 as well. So there's not much known about them, but 177 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.759 they're called their Kramodi, and they're primarily we think of 178 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:21.159 why white phase of the Black Bear. 179 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:26.240 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 180 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:35.080 We'll be right back after these messages. Hey, Boba, whatever 181 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:37.039 happened to your gone squatch and hat used to wear 182 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:37.799 and finding Bigfoot? 183 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:38.200 Now? 184 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:39.639 I don't have that hat anymore. I gave it to 185 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:42.840 Lauren Coleman for his museum, but I might be asking 186 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:46.519 for it back because I'm getting a little nervous in summertime, 187 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:49.480 getting too much so on the scalp up there now, 188 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.279 and I'm getting bip up a mosquitoes. 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But 215 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.200 do you have any idea the scope of the evidence 216 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:26.120 that he lost in the boat fire. 217 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:30.519 No, I don't know of that, other than his stories 218 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:34.840 about being on a boat up in northern Alaska, coming 219 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:38.200 around a bend and literally seeing a Bigfoot on the shore, 220 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:40.960 and I think that was the first time he'd seen one, 221 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:43.440 and from then on, you know, he was hooked. So 222 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:47.279 I don't know how much he lost from the fire. 223 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.679 I just know from talking to him the knowledge he 224 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:53.120 has and some of the places he went in his 225 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:57.600 search for the Bigfoot, including northern California and the Blue 226 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:00.759 Mountains as you know, down in the south east Washington. 227 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:01.279 Yeah. 228 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:04.039 I have a number of photographs from Paul Freeman's photo 229 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:07.000 album that that were shared with me from both Michael 230 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:09.720 Freeman and the Freeman family, and also doctor Jeff Meldrim 231 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:13.159 who was given a photo album by mister Freeman, and 232 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:17.519 there's lots of pictures in there of Bob Titmas, which 233 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:18.600 is really great. 234 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:21.840 Well, you know, and a little a side note is 235 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:25.279 that his son just called me recently and I don't 236 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:28.360 know if you knew i'd made a wax cast of 237 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:30.039 a little bust of a bigfoot. 238 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:32.039 Yes, I'm very aware of that. I was talking to 239 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:34.440 Michael about it. Actually, great work. By the way, I 240 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:34.720 want to. 241 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:37.840 Hear some stories, like a secret, like something no one's 242 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:40.120 heard that's a cool. Bob Tennis. 243 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:43.240 Well, one of the fascinating ones is you know, being 244 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:45.960 a geographer, I collected a lot of maps of coastal 245 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:50.519 British Columbia that they're equivalent of the Department of the 246 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:52.840 Interior put out, and it was very much like our 247 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:56.519 USGS maps, And I got tons of those impatient together 248 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.840 and made marks on things that had happened up there. 249 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:02.600 And one of them dealt with two things dealt with 250 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:05.799 Bob talking to an Indian band and then going into 251 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.000 the interior not far from where they were. And it 252 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:10.720 was a hot summer day and he'd hiked up to 253 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:12.279 this He and his dog had gone up on this 254 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:15.039 river and there was a big bluff and it was hot, 255 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:16.879 and so we hitting his dog with behind this bluff, 256 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:18.799 resting in the shade. Have you heard this one? 257 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:19.240 No? 258 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:24.200 Just coincidentally, he looks up and there were three bigfoot 259 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:27.000 a good two cents away from him, and they were 260 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.440 climbing this sheer cliff wall. His description was that the 261 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:33.080 hair was kind of honey light and sort of golden 262 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:36.039 and waving in the wind. And he watched them for 263 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:40.960 fifteen or twenty minutes climb this sheer cliff wall. And 264 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:44.000 his description is being so much larger than us and 265 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:46.960 having a reach probably twice that of ours. They were 266 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:50.519 able to negotiate an area that normally humanly we would 267 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:52.399 have had trouble doing or couldn't do it all. And 268 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.679 how they would reach up with their hand and find 269 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:58.639 some small proturbance, a rock or a piece of vegetation, 270 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:02.519 grab onto it, lift their foot up, and then with 271 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.679 were not not only even all the toes, but they 272 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:07.919 would find another little ledge, and generally it was a 273 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:11.480 three toes. If we could tell there'd be some extra toes, 274 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:14.840 they would support their entire weight on those three toes 275 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:18.639 and then continue to climb that way, little by little 276 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:21.759 until they reached the top of the cliff. And that 277 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:23.919 was three of them that did that. And he and 278 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:27.320 his dog witnessed that. And I've I've got that mort 279 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:27.960 on my map. 280 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:29.320 I want to see that on map. 281 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:31.919 And the only other story I can think that we're 282 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:36.120 down in northern California where he found with a bigfoot, 283 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:38.399 you know, had thrown rocks out of the way, you know, 284 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:40.960 looking for ground squirrels, and we know, you know, you 285 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.720 all know about that sort of thing going on, and 286 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:47.440 then putting out of stories of knocks, sometimes very intricate, 287 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:51.679 sometimes long, and having them answer him exactly. And you've 288 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:55.440 heard of that too, how they're able to instantly play 289 00:14:55.480 --> 00:15:00.120 back what you've done, recorded what you said, or a 290 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.600 rock cadence that they were able to pick up and 291 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:07.960 repeat exactly just as you have. So evidently for quite 292 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:10.879 some time he in their bigfoot carried on this little 293 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:18.200 cross communication with rocks and gosh, there's there's other choice too. 294 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:20.559 I'll have to think about him, but those are the 295 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:23.879 ones that stand out that Bob. Bob told me well. 296 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:25.799 That that is one of the things that he should 297 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:28.480 be credited with, is he's the first person to ever 298 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:33.159 write about Sasquatches doing knocks of any sort. And it 299 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:38.200 might maybe there's an earlier script somewhere, but the first 300 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.399 inkling that any of us had was written up in 301 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:45.440 the Bay Area Group newsletter where Bob Timmos wrote in 302 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:48.120 and said, yeah, but for all the world, I'm tracking 303 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:50.080 this thing in Bluff Creek and it sounds like it's 304 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:53.159 hitting a log against another log. And he's the first 305 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:57.919 person ever record that in writing. Whether other people knew it, 306 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:00.679 and certainly indigenous people probably knew about that sort of stuff, 307 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:02.759 but he was the first person to ever write that 308 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:05.879 down and record it for people, so he gets that 309 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:08.639 credit that he kind of is the guy that should 310 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:11.639 be credited with the individual at least, I should be 311 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.159 credited with discovering about wood dogs. 312 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:16.840 And as you know, he worked, from what I know, 313 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:19.600 most exclusively by himself, he and his dog, and so 314 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:22.879 there wasn't anybody else there to witness what went on 315 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:25.120 when Bob was out in the field. And as you know, 316 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.440 he spent winter twice down in the Blue Mountains and 317 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:31.759 you know d Duck Spring, and I've spent time up 318 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:33.879 there and camped a couple of nights at d Duck 319 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:36.879 and other areas in the Blue Mountains. And as I 320 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:40.320 mentioned to you, Jeff Meldrim, John mynsin Skate, Derek Randall 321 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:45.039 and I spent several days and nights up in the 322 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:48.320 Blue Mountains here several years ago. I was fortunate to 323 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:52.519 be with them and we found a bed what had 324 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:55.000 been a winter bed, probably built on top of the snow, 325 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:56.960 and then they're sunk down of course because of weight. 326 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:00.960 And I think I've got movies of that as well. 327 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:04.000 So I was fortunate at being able to go in 328 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:06.759 with him and spend some time in the Blue Mountains. 329 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:09.000 I was just in the Blue Mountains last weekend. Actually, 330 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:12.119 so yeah. The aggravating thing is that I got home 331 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:13.839 and I went back to work because I, you know, 332 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:16.880 I have that Bigfoot museum. And I took a siding 333 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:20.079 report yesterday over the phone, and an elderly gentleman up 334 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:22.799 in Washington somewhere wanted to share his stuff with it. 335 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:27.400 Before you know, he left with it, basically, and I 336 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:29.559 opened my our siding report book and there's a blank 337 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:31.960 sighting report page with a phone number and a name 338 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:34.920 and whatever else. And I say, call this guy, and 339 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:38.039 it was from the July thirty first, and it's so 340 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:40.680 aggravating to me. So July thirty first, right, which is 341 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:42.400 a few days before I left for the Blue Mountains. 342 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:44.279 I think I was up there on the fourteenth or 343 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:47.039 something like that. And I remember and so and I said, 344 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:48.599 what's this about. He goes, Oh, this guy saw a 345 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:51.559 Sasquatch over by Tollgate somewhere from like fifteen feet away. 346 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:54.519 I oh, by Tollgate on the Highway twenty sixties. No, No, 347 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:56.920 somewhere in eastern Oregon. I thinking, dude, I was there 348 00:17:56.920 --> 00:17:59.200 like three days. I was there like a week ago, Like, 349 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:01.720 why did you and no one followed up with the sky. 350 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:04.480 No one did anything. Oh so it's like because we 351 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:07.880 spend days driving around just looking for water where wildlife 352 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:10.880 would be, but we of course didn't find any. And 353 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:13.200 had I known where a sighting had occurred, like two 354 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:15.839 weeks before, I would have focused my efforts there, but 355 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:17.880 unfortunately I didn't come to my ears. 356 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:20.400 Well, as you know as well, there's hardly any water 357 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:22.759 in that high country. As you know very well, up 358 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:25.559 there springs isolated areas like that, And of course d 359 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:28.559 Duck was unique because you know, it's been amplified, made 360 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:31.759 into a little pond, and it makes sense that bigfoot 361 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:34.079 like any other animal would come and visit that site 362 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:37.920 and leave handprints and things like that. So d Duck 363 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:40.039 Spring is a pretty a pretty neat area. And do 364 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:42.119 you know how it got the name d Duck? No 365 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:46.559 Wes Summerlin, who I spent some time with, and he 366 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:49.359 took us out in the field, and that's when the 367 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:52.640 Forest Service alerted me to West and all the things 368 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:55.240 he had done and his little wife Peeweek. I spent 369 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:58.519 several nights with him, but the US Forest Service, but 370 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:01.519 have forest crew was up there of course, and they 371 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:03.039 would do the work and then at the end of 372 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:05.440 the week or a month, whenever it was a pay period, 373 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:09.240 they would all meet at De Duck Spring and at 374 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:12.680 that point they had to deduct a certain amount from 375 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:16.160 their paycheck, and Atsfer got the term De Duck Spring. 376 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:19.920 So there's a little history that I was fortunate to 377 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:20.839 find out about. 378 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:21.839 That's great. 379 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:25.640 So it's also about I mean West Summerlin often gets 380 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:28.759 overshadowed by Paul Freeman, when actually they were just partners 381 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:30.720 in a lot of ways. There was no competition or 382 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:34.079 anything between them. They're just partners and they both deserve 383 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:36.240 so much credit for everything that went on in the 384 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:38.839 Blue Mountains for that time period and even before eighty 385 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:42.680 two when Paul saw one and started his Bigfoot journey. 386 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:45.160 And tell us a little bit about West Summerlin if 387 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:45.519 you would. 388 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:49.119 Well, West is a hard baked little half Indian guy, 389 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:51.559 you know, spend some time in the rodeo and doing 390 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:55.480 a lot of guiding in the Blue Mountains. And when 391 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:57.799 we were up there, we found quite a few camps 392 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:01.240 that are now abandoned, you know, among others. I'm not 393 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:03.319 sure if he stayed in some of those, so I 394 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:05.119 know he spent a lot of time guiding. He also 395 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:08.599 had a pretty significant UFO experience, and maybe I don't 396 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:11.400 know if everybody knows about that, but West would go 397 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:14.000 up and take a string of horses with him, and 398 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:18.559 he had names for the bigfoot up there. And I'm 399 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:22.440 trying to remember a lot of this detail, but he 400 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:26.440 described him physically watching him and seeing them the size 401 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:29.480