Speaker 1: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
for it?
Speaker 2: This exclusive place at datas connections with they have more
cars for more dealerships like anywhere else.
Speaker 1: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
Speaker 2: It's dune ADL where don adl. There's an accent on
the E.
Speaker 1: Do you mean yes?
Speaker 2: I got undone deal cars? Lift please you gotta pass kimage,
oh kimmage no done deal cars. You couldn't possibly go
anywhere else?
Speaker 3: How we use.
Speaker 1: Electricity can be smarter, cleaner and greener. At Electric Garland
we can help.
Speaker 3: Guide you there.
Speaker 1: Our net zero hub has all you need to know
about smart meter plans, home EV chargers, solar panels, heat
pumps and much more, making your usage clearer, your trips greener,
your home cozier, and your world brighter. Find our net
zero hub at Electricarland dot i E.
Speaker 4: You're listening to Paranormal Portal on Revolver podcasts.
Speaker 5: Oh me in, I'm lostock control all that and now
she's so.
Speaker 6: She so she can't leadership, not as.
Speaker 5: With the Ladia Glance she's on. She's all.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Paranormal Portal podcast. We
hope you're having a great night. Thank you guys so
much for joining us, and uh, I have a special
treat tonight because I'm not alone here in the studio.
My good friend and co host mister Don long Beard
is joining me.
Speaker 6: How you doing, brother, I'm doing well. Thank goodness we're here.
Speaker 3: So you feel like you're ready to talk?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, maybe eventually?
Speaker 3: Are you ready to discuss the paranormal and all of
its glory?
Speaker 6: Slatly, that's what we're here for.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's what pays the bills, buddy. But tonight,
ladies and gentlemen, we're going to discuss UFOs and have
just a general discussion tonight about about the phenomenon and
about all of the strangeness and weirdness, and of course
we'll address a lot of the dynamics about it as
much as we can, and we'll even touch on some
of the hoaxes that are going around and the perpetual
need of some people to try to get attention by
creating hoaxes and stuff, which is absolutely maddening to me personally.
I really don't like it. It really bothers me because
I think, you know, there's a lot of people out
there really working hard, they're really giving it their blood,
sweat and tears to try to bring public awareness to
you know, what is otherwise an extraordinarily fringe topic, you know,
and it's it's extra frustrating when there's you know, some
clowns with photoshop that are just like, hey, let's see
if they'll believe this, right, you know what I mean,
it's like, oh man. But then you know, on the
other hand, you've got a bunch of people that are
out there getting the boots on the ground, they're they're
getting the equipment, they're spending all of their free time
or a lot of their free time, you know, exploring
this passion. And I think that's really really powerful. But
you know, unfortunately all of those claims are not true.
So that's what we're going to get into tonight. And
I you know, I think it's a it's an amazing
topic and it's an amazing discussion. Now, don you've not
seen a UFO personally.
Speaker 6: Then, right, Not that I would say as a UFO, Okay,
other than you know, I don't know what it is
the true you know, the straight well strictest sense. It's
it's an it's n unidentified. I can't identify it myself,
so that makes it a UFO to me.
Speaker 3: Now. When I was on the Sasquatch Chronicles just recently,
it was a great pleasure, of course, first of all,
I mean it was I've been I've been following Sasquatch
Chronicles forever, and I mean I really cut my teeth
on Sasquatch Chronicles when I was really getting involved in
the paranormal. So it was a real honor and an amazing,
amazing opportunity to have a chance to sit on Wes's
show and talk with him and stuff. But he did
ask me about about my experience, and I have ladies
and gentlemen seeing UFOs, So for me, it's not a
question of could they be out there, it's it's it's
already a foregone conclusion to me that they are. Now,
I think I'll go into it tonight. What do you think,
don Chi going to Yeah?
Speaker 6: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Okay. So this is a story I've told before, but
for the sake of this being a part of our
podcast and potentially our introduction to a whole lot of
new listeners, I'll go through it again. And the story
is is that it was about five years ago, four
or five years ago. I don't know that. I don't
you know, it's it's longer than yesterday.
Speaker 6: That's are you missing.
Speaker 3: Exactly? Yeah, And I'm rather sore and I'm just like,
but no, I mean it was it was about four
years ago, maybe five. But what had happened was I
was up up in this area and it's actually in
the area that we're in now, And ladies and gentlemen,
the Paranormal Portal is UH is headquartered out of the north,
the very north of Idaho. Literally you could like throw
a rock and hit Canada from here.
Speaker 6: Well you gotta you gotta throw, like you know, Roger,
you know, Clement, you sure.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a bit of a distance, but we're
pretty close. So we're like Canada light up here or.
Speaker 6: Something Canada light.
Speaker 3: So anyway, I was up here on a business trip.
And this is long before I started doing the portal,
and my whole life I've had an open mind for
the idea of there being UFOs, But I have to
admit that my whole life, I've always looked the stars
and saw nothing but stars, and so I was always
bothersome to me that I'd spent so long looking up
at the night sky, but just seeing the night sky,
never really seeing anything that to me was anomalous or
out of the ordinary. It was just stars and shooting
stars every once in a great while, and the occasional
northern lights, which were amazing in themselves, but certainly not
an extraordinary phenomenon in terms of paranormal. But I was
up up at his the owner of the company that
I worked for, he had a cabin up here and
they were transitioning it to become their house. However, at
this time they didn't live in the house, he and
his wife and baby, so they lived i don't know,
probably a half hour away in a rental house while
this was being worked on. But I came into town
for a business meetings and such, and he said, you know,
rather than get you a hotel, how'd you just like
to stay up in our house because it was pretty
much ready to go, they just hadn't moved in yet.
I was like, you know what, I could stay up
in the mountains. That's fine with me. It's a beautiful
home on the side of a mountain, and then there's
a bit of a valley below, not a huge you know,
not a huge distance to the valley floor where a
stream ran through it, and then an opposing mountain side
going up in the distance.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And I was sitting there and he had these night
vision binoculars, and so I thought, you know what, this
is really cool. I want to I want to check
these out. And so I, uh, I knew that most
of the stars in our in our sky are actually
red stars, and so they're not really visible with the
naked eye. And I thought, you know, I wonder what
the night sky looks like when you look at it
through night vision. So I took his night vision binoculars
outside on the porch, and being as it's out in
the mountains and stuff, there was like no light pollution
at all. It's just all natural starlight. It's amazing. The
night sky is just brilliant. And so I was out
there and I'm looking around, and of course I look
up at the sky and sure enough, there's so many
more stars in the sky when you're looking through night vision.
It was just like I couldn't even recognize a constellation.
That was how many different stars were suddenly in my
field of view. And it was spectacular. So I'm like
a kid outside playing with these night vision goggles because
I've never done it before. You know, I've of course
heard about them and stuff, and I never had a
chance to really really dork around with them. So I was.
I was in my element out there on the porch
and in the mountains, all by myself, in the area
that this house was. There's no there's no other houses.
There's some seasonal cabins near, but it's for all intents
and purposes, I was alone up in this mountain range
for miles and it was it was early spring, like
just at the end of winter, so it was getting
warm out. I believe that it was early spring. It
might have been fall, but anyway, that's neither here nor there.
At the older I get, the harder it is to
remember the story. But I remember the details perfectly, but
it's just the semantics of it are like, well, what
was it again? But anyway, there was nobody else around,
but there was a bit of moonlight out, and being
that there was no light pollution, it was just beautiful
and it was radiant and I could see with my
naked eyes pretty well anyway. But I'm just playing around
and then I'm looking at the stars, and then I
looked at the opposing mountain side and just you know,
marveling at the fact that I can see all the
branches and stuff, even, you know, because I'm using the
night vision having a great time a look on the
side that I'm on, look down as driveway, which is
a switchback driveway, and you know, I'm playing around, and
I was amazed at how well these night vision goggles work.
That I could see everything, even things that I normally couldn't,
which you know, sounds stupid, but honest to god, it
was my first experience with it, so it was amazing.
And then I panned up on the on the trees
right next to the driveway, and which are big conifer
trees like pines or spruce or whatever they are. I
don't know my trees real well. But I got to
the top of the trees and panned up a little
bit further and about thirty feet above a tree that
was about two to three hundred yards away. Thirty feet
above that tree was no kidding, the proverbial flying saucer
sitting there, hovering, absolutely silent, not a sound coming from it,
but it was the literally the two pie plates. And
in between the two pie plates were these little panels
that looked like they might be windows, except that they
were alternately flashing light in the circular pattern on these
strange panels. And I'm looking at up, going, oh my god,
you know it's there. Done, It was there. It was
right in front of me, and there was no more question.
It was like all my life I'd been looking and
then pow here, how about a nice frying saucer. You know.
It was absolutely breathtaking, and I'm just I'm stammering, I'm
just enamored. I'm beside myself and I'm staring and it's
just sitting there, and I was like wow, And so
I thought I got to see this with my own eyes.
So I lowered the binoculars and looked in that same
spot above the trees. But there's nothing.
Speaker 6: It was gone.
Speaker 3: It was missing, completely missing. So I'm like, what the
hell just happened? So I raised the binoculars again. It's there.
It's still sitting there. It's still sitting there, hovering silently
and the lights flashing around it. I lowered the binoculars,
it's not there. I raised the binoculars. It's there. Then
I lore them and raise them. You know, I kept
repeating this because it dawned on me that for some reason,
it was not observable in my normal native light spectrum
of my eyes, so it was like cloaked, but I
could see it in the infrared spectrum and it was there.
And then so I'm watching it and watching it, and
I suppose I was watching it for maybe just a
few minutes total, and then it dawned on me, I'm
alone up here in the mountains, all by myself. There's
no there's no one even close, you know. And then
I thought, I'm about the only thing going on in
this mountainside. And if I'm sitting here looking at them,
chances are they're up there looking at me. Right. So
I was like, well, you know, I don't hanker I
need any probe and tonight though, so I decided I
was done. I was just going in. That was like,
wait a minute, I don't need this to be any
more real than it is now. And I went inside,
locked the doors and sat on the bed for hours,
just my head reeling, and it was just amazing. So
I've seen it done, and it's absolutely incredible.
Speaker 6: You know. I you know, we hear, we hear all
kinds of stories and and and you know, I've I've
heard the you know, it was not visible by the
naked eye references and things like that, you know, so
it doesn't surprise me that it took something beyond your
your physical you know, you're obviously physical, you know, mechanics, lims,
limitations exactly. And so it's it's always fun to hear
the story because you know, like I said, I I
don't ever think I would call something something a UFO
that would be considered a spaceship or you know whatever
that may be something alien, let's say that as opposed
to terrestrial, because I you know, like I said before,
I just don't think I've ever There's nothing that I
would classify as alien about a UFO that I've seen,
just the strictest sense. But you know, it's it's really
cool to hear that story because you're the only person
I know that I've ever met that physically met and
shook hands with and talked to, and it's ever really
seen one or claim to have seen one, you know,
within it's a great story. I mean, it's a believable story, yes,
but you know, I mean it's just one of those things,
you know, until it's it's like it's like, I'm from Missouri,
the show me state. You know, you've got to show me,
give me the proof, you know. But unfortunately it's just
one of those things. Now, I wonder, and you've done
this before. You know, if you would have had a
camera going through that night vision, you know, would it
have come out on the video? And so I know
you've done you've experimented with that before. Yes, and it
had a kind of an incredible result, I'll have to say.
But you know, you know, it's it's like that, you know,
if it's very believable in the sense that obviously extraterrestrials
are going to have better technology than we do. We
can you know, barely go you know, four feet out
the door without forgetting what we're doing, you know, but
you know, our technology, yeah, it gets us to it
gets us around, you know place. You know, the the satellites, gosh,
the Voyager satellites, you know, they're they're out beyond the
stars now in our in our universe, yeah, exactly. So
you know, I mean, we we get out there, but
we physically don't get out there. We just can't handle
it yet. So you know, I mean it would take
a real leap of evolution for us to get out there.
Speaker 3: Right, No, I think that's very true. But you know,
the thing about this experience was is that the fact
that I couldn't see it with my own eyes was
the clincher for me. Now, sure, if I had seen
it and then lowered the monoculars and seen it with
my normal vision, I would think, Okay, is this is
this one of ours? Is this something that that our
engineers are working on? And that would have been within
the realm of my possibilities at that point, terrestrial possible,
right exactly, Like I could look at it and go, way, whoa,
what are we working on? Now? What are we capable
of it? But the fact that it wasn't visible through
my normal eyesight but only was in the infrared was like,
wait a minute, this is way out of our league.
Speaker 6: You know. And that was something I was thinking about
when you were retelling it just now. Is that you know.
That's another thing is you know, if it was visible,
like you said, but with the naked eye, you know,
you it would really bring home the terrestrial aspect of
it's from here, or it could be well, it could
be well because you know, not. Not all aliens, I
imagine have the same level of technology. So maybe these ones,
if you could see it by the eye, maybe they
just didn't figure out cloaking yet, or you know, they
they missed it because our our vision, you know, our
our spectrum of vision is greater than what they anticipated.
And they weren't as cloaked as they thought they were. Sure,
so you know, one of those things. But if I,
if I would have said, if you saw it by
your naked eye, then I would have definitely questioned the
terrestrial you knows exactly right, exactly now.
Speaker 3: The thing is is that you know, of course there's
a consideration that it could be terrestrial. It's just what
you know, you look into the Hollow Earth ideas and
stuff that some civilization, super advanced civilization right inside of
our very planet. And you know, I don't know what
to think about that. I think, you know, it's possible,
I don't. The one thing with the paranormal is that
you just can't you can't, you know, say that something's
impossible because we hear all these fantastic ideas and thoughts
and claims, and you know, and people we've talked to
so many people that have experienced so many things, and
I you know, even though the claim it may be
really hard to believe when you talk to the people,
it's like, well, okay, but I believe this person, you know.
So that's the difference. But you know, seeing that was
really incredible for me. And of course, like I said,
it really it really brought it home. It was no
longer just possible, it was it was a fact.
Speaker 6: It was a fact to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was really really awesome. And so I
don't know, you know, it's like maybe after a lifetime
of look and I don't know what they can tell
and what they can how advance is their civilization that
they can they can listen to with you know what
our dreams are, decide you're a lucky.
Speaker 6: Day, You're getting a special dream.
Speaker 3: They glibed for let's drive over here for whatever the
names might be. I don't know what alien names are,
but you know exactly, you just don't know. But you know,
they might be like, hey, that dude over there wants
to see us. What do you think?
Speaker 6: Let's you never know, but have a crazy time.
Speaker 3: There was none of that going on, And I don't
let me tell you that was a probe free zone
up in there, I understand, you know, but I just
I wasn't having any part of that. But you know,
it was just really amazing. So that was a clincher
for me. Now since then, after that experience, first of all,
ladies and gentlemen, I went I got home after my
after my journey, and I went right on Amazon and
I found those very there was very binoculars and ordered them.
Even though it wasn't the most fiscally responsible thing I'd done.
What occurred to me is that maybe they're always there,
Maybe they're all he's around. This isn't probably that fantastic
because they can just hide, you know, because who's running
around all the time with night vision on, you know.
Speaker 6: The military. Well yeah, but they've got to see him too.
Speaker 3: They're already in on this. We all know that they
are already plugged into this whole deal. So you know,
And whether that's true or not, I don't know. It
very well could be because we've certainly heard those claims
as well. But I got him and as I've been
looking at the night sky over the years, and that
what I did, Ladies and gentlemen, as I rigged up
a go pro knockoff to, you know, sit on one
of the eye pieces of the binoculars and I look
through the other one and scan the sky. And I've
actually caught a few things on video, one of which
I shared with the Sasquatch Chronicles page. You know, Wes
let me or posted it up there. When I talked
to him about it, He's like, yeah, let me let
me see and we can post it on the page.
And I was like, yeah, so it's been checked out
and by a lot of a lot of different viewers. Now,
this one that I did record is nowhere near as
fantastic as what at my first sighting. But the thing is,
it's just that these things could always be out there.
They could always be checking on us, you know. And
then and then you hear the ideas that, you know,
are we in some kind of extraterrestrial zoo? You know,
And and basically these are tour groups just coming through
and off to the left, you're gonna see a mountain human.
Look at him on the porch, staring up here. He
can't see us, ladies and gentlemen, we are cloaked.
Speaker 6: That's when you wave out him.
Speaker 3: Don't feed the humans. Yeah, you never know but I mean,
it's just that kind of deal. So is that possible. Yeah,
I don't know. I mean, anything is possible, But it
was just an incredible thing. Now a lot of people
like to think that this is a new phenomenon, and
the and the the naysayers like to say, well, you know,
this is all just a bleed off of popular culture
and it comes from the the fifties and the B
movies and stuff, and and don you did a bunch
of research on this, and then how far back did
your research go into reports of UFOs?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, you can always you can, well, you know,
the most famous one, I guess was from about eighteen
forty five, eighteen fifty, eighteen fifty five, somewhere in there,
maybe sixty sixty five into the just before around the
Civil War before I believe it may have been just after,
but right in there. But it was like somewhere in Texas.
I can't remember the name of the city in Texas
but or the town in Texas, but basically there was
a story that said, you know, an airship because they
didn't have the words UFO back or the term UFO,
but an airship it crashed into like you know, farmer
Miller's barn, you know, and a lot of there's a
movie called Cowboys and Aliens and it's kind of set
based on that story as possible, big, you know, as
well as possible, you know, there's only so much you
can do. But anyhow, it's mostly fantastical, the movie, but
it was based on that idea that an airship had
crashed into Miller's barn, you know, three miles out, you know,
from town. Sure, so back then, but then also you know,
you can go back to you know, Elizabethan times, you know,
seventeen hundreds, sixteen hundreds, even all the way back into
the Bible, you know, so yeah, I mean, you know
there are the pictures that were painted with you know,
different odd things, the wheel in the sky, you know
that even the Eastern Star could have been theoretically a spaceship.
And then the Sumerian yeah, all the way back to Sumerians. Yeah,
you know, but of course when you're talking to Samerians
and you're talking to Aliens, you're talking about like eight
different kings over a time of one hundred and fifty
thousand years, so you know, but then again, you know,
the Samarians have been you know connected to aliens in
some way, because there is just no real way to tell.
I mean, uh, Samaria, the Samerian culture gave us you know, Cuneiform,
which is writing, you know, and and could this have
been the pro genesis to you know actual you know,
his writing of history. So you know, you can go
back as far as you want, you know, because there
is there's connections left and right, even after the deluge.
Now this could be you know, twelve to fifteen thousand
years ago according to different people, or it could even
be back farther depending on how you look. If you
look at the Bible, it may have been only two
centuries ago, you know whatever. Actually it'd be more like three.
But you know, you know, even the hope you have
their alien stories or they're they're not human stories that
you know, they they were taken underground to survive the
deluge or you know, the Great whatever whatever their term
for it was the Great Happening whatever, So you know,
I mean, there you go. I mean, you know, they
were they were taken underground by the app people and
then after a measure of days they were brought back up.
And you know, and if you look at the delusion,
the Bible it was forty days and forty nights. So yeah,
that's a lot of water to go away in forty days.
You know. Apparently it only went away at night. But
I mean, you know, they go back time immemorial, you know,
so there's there's a lot of alien extraterrestrial UFO stuff
all the way back. So yeah, they've it's it's there.
It's it's part of our culture. And I don't mean
like pulp culture. I mean it's part of our culture, right,
it just is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so you know, I mean that's that's to me,
that's validating for the whole phenomenon as well, if I
even if I hadn't witnessed it myself, the fact that
there's such a re corded history of it, right, you know,
and that it's been it's been a part of cultures
around the world, even back to Egypt and further back,
even the hieroglyphs. There's some of whose strange ones. There's
there's a carving and I don't know if it's Peru
or where is it, but it shows like astronaut.
Speaker 6: Oh no, yeah, you know. Now where here's where I'll
deviate from that, because you know, there have been so
much remodeling work on the outside of these old places.
And you know, it's not unheard of that a stonemason
or someone who has a sense of humor, you know,
added something like that. You know, like the Astronaut. There
was another one. Oh, there's just a whole bunch of them.
Off the top of my head, I can't remember, but
the astronaut's the most famous one. It wouldn't surprise me
at all that that something happened during a storm and
whatever was originally there was damaged and they sent somebody
up to repair it to or whatever, and the guy
just went, hahaha, watch this. And you know it has
to be modern. I mean, it has to be after
the after forties, fifties, sixties.
Speaker 3: But even if it's not.
Speaker 6: Well, see now there's no way to tell. Well, there
would be a lot of research to do behind it,
but you could tell. I mean, it certainly wasn't done
by somebody, you know, and in you know, the turn
of the century, because we had no conceivable idea what
things were.
Speaker 3: That's what makes that's what makes it fantastic.
Speaker 6: Well, that's impossible if it was true, yef, it's true.
Speaker 3: Right, I can't say for sure. I mean, I'm only
going on the references that I have run across enough,
and I haven't heard any any any speculation that it
was a modern uh refabrication, but I haven't you have it? Yeah, okay,
well that's great, you know. And then and that's the thing, but.
Speaker 6: It's only one possibility. I mean, it may or may
not be true. There's you know, there's a whole lot
of research that I would you know, i'd be glad
would do sometime, but you know, right now it's time
time concerted, time limited. So but anyhow, but you know,
I mean, oh, and then the aliens. Did you see
like the oh, the hybrids, the from the movies? What
are they called? Why do I keep forgetting these things
from the alien movies?
Speaker 3: The oh?
Speaker 6: But anyhow, the aliens in the Alien movies, the ones
that eat everything with the little yeah exactly. Now there's
also an account of one of those being crafted onto
the side of a church or a castle.
Speaker 3: Or something like that.
Speaker 6: But then again, you know the hr Geiger you know
style thing, but you know it, so, you know, I mean,
that's just and there's a history of remodelers and stonemasons
that have done this. I mean even even back into
old times when there's one there's one German okay, there's
one German cathedral that has a guy supposedly, you know,
committing sexual acts on himself. So but and that's original,
but it originally happened with the guy who thought it
was funny, so he did it, or at least that's
what I'm understanding.
Speaker 3: So this is our discussion up to this point. Ladies
and gentlemen. We're gonna take a quick break and we'll
be right back for more of the Paranormal Portal. And
our journey into the whole concept of UFO was including
some potential hoaxes, so don't go ahead, we'll be right back.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, We're back here at the
Paranormal Portal podcast studios, and we are excited to bring
you another another section of fun filled entertainments that only
we can bring you here on the Portal, and so
buckle in and make yourself comfortable. It's it's going to
be a right up. So you know, we've all heard
about things like Roswell, and of course the Roswell crash
I think is incredibly poignant and something happened there. That
doesn't make sense, you know, of course that everybody knows
the original. The original release from a major or something was,
hey we found a UFO, we found a flying saucer,
and it was, you know, amazingly huge news. It was
published all over the place, I think, and of course
a day or two later, or maybe a day well it.
Speaker 6: Was yeah, it was yeah, it was like twenty four
hours later.
Speaker 3: Then it's no, it wasn't the UFOs. What was So
they claim it was a weather balloon and they had
the guy posing with pictures of the foil.
Speaker 6: Foure Jesse marcelis all.
Speaker 3: Right, way to pull out the fact. That's good, you know,
I mean, whoever it was. But the interesting thing about that,
don is so they they claim it was just a
weather balloon. However they still deployed like a regiment of
military to go recover a weather balloon. Does that even
make sense at all?
Speaker 6: No, But here's the thing. Think about it this way though, Yeah,
I mean, the original, the original. So here's a couple ideas.
First of all, is a weather balloon gonna cut gouges
into your field for a half mile to a mile
and then skip and then do you know, another five
hundred yards. Now that's not going to do anything like that.
There's no weight to a weather balloon. That's why they float,
so you know, I mean, so you know, you got that,
and then you know, uh, then you know, but with
the idea, you know, some some farmer, you know, farmer
farmer Jones calls up and says, yeah, I think there's
our UFO down my back forty you know, you know,
so what what would they have to do. They would
have to send out a whole regiment because they don't
know what it is, so they have no clue. But
then after the regiment's there, they start picking up pieces
and say, oh, this is a weather balloon. But Jesse
Marsalis has already said you know, he's he's already twisted
up the metal and watched it reform itself, and and
you know, and and and so you know, really really strange.
So there's a couple ideas, you know, But yes, I
think they would have to send out some kind of battalion,
you know, company to go check it out to make sure,
you know, if it's safe.
Speaker 3: So I mean, well, if it's just a weather balloon,
I don't know.
Speaker 6: But the farmer didn't say it was a weather No,
I know. That's so that's that's the thing. They sent
him out and they went, oh ok.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so no, let's cut to the chase. Do you
believe it was a weather.
Speaker 6: I don't believe it was a weather balloon? Uh maybe
maybe for that time, a high tech piece of military hardware, rocketry,
whatever that might be. You know, that was after World
War Two, so we had Operation Paper Club going, you know,
so we had yeah, exactly, so we had all these
rocket experts and things like that. So and plus we're
talking about New Mexico. What's in New Mexico White Sands.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. That's a good point.
Speaker 6: Think about that.
Speaker 3: That's the testing grounds of course for a lot of
different vehicles and such. And perhaps one of their rocket
cars got loose.
Speaker 6: So that's that's what I'm saying, is it could have been,
you know, one of those I mean, but I'm not
to say it wasn't a UFO. It was a UFO
in the strictest sense of unidentified flying object.
Speaker 3: But Jesse Marcellis had metaled that he folded and repaired itself.
Speaker 6: A few people had that. Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Now that is curious it is very curious something happened there,
but you know, of course that there it's a common theme.
Every time something happens, there's some kind of really stupid,
mundane explanation for it on the official releases. Now everybody's
aware of the concept of the reverse engineering and the
you know, the accelerated black projects that are dealing with
this kind of stuff, and and of course the eventual
arrival of Area fifty one, right, and that whole Cloak
and d Egger deal. So men in black. You know,
the list goes on and on the X Files eventually,
which brought us all into.
Speaker 6: The well Project Blue Book back in the seventies. Sure,
you know that TV show, I should say, but that's
you know, a majestic twelve.
Speaker 3: Yes, Now, what am I going to say about this? Yeah?
I think I think that the part that's really tough
for me in these kind of situations is the amount
of condescension that comes with some of those explanations. It's like, wow,
you know, they must have such a low opinion of
the intelligence of the people in this country because of
the because of the garbage that they try to use
to explain it away. Nothing to see here, folks, what
we have here is an ash cream truck that just
frees are exploded. And you see that is not nuclear radiation.
Speaker 6: That is that is Schubert, it's living lime.
Speaker 3: I come on, kids, grab a cone, clean it up.
Speaker 6: Don't worry.
Speaker 3: It's not going to hurt you, right, Yeah, I don't
mind the glow. But you know, it's just this strangeness, right,
So I you know, I think for many of us
it's a foregone conclusion. And as I already stated, for
me obviously, but you've been researching this for a long time,
and of course your first your first appearance on the
show was the Eisenhower Cords when we discussed all of that,
and I thought that that was really amazing and a
lot of great information. It might, it might now that
the Eisenhower Accords, of course, would be after right it was.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So Roswell was forty seven, early or late late spring,
early summer forty seven. Then the Eisenhower story begins in
about fifty three, so February fifty three.
Speaker 3: So a lot seems to have happened in a very
short order of time, all of a sudden, as far
as the alleged cooperation of our government and perhaps governments
around the world with certain alien species, and of course
the rabbit Hole gets incredibly deep on all of these subjects,
and we can't obviously crack through and with any with
any complexity on one small podcast here, but you know,
these are things that we're definitely going to be exploring
on the portal as part of our our coverage of
the u UFO phenomena. And I think that you know,
the the wildness is just I mean, it's it's it's insane,
you know, and the the the abductees, it's a whole
nother thing where people are you know, taking and and
and experimented on.
Speaker 6: And you know Bettill Yeah, yeah, it Traff's Walton, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Travis Walton, Barneing Betty Hill, and you know is Barneing
Betty Hill. Basically the the.
Speaker 6: First it's it's one, it's it's it's it's the first
one that came out publicly or or at least you know,
got so much attention. Yes, so they're like the progenesis
of all of that particular abduction stories kind of thing.
Speaker 3: And I think that that's the first instance of using
hypnosis as a form of recovering lost time. Yes, so
that would be the introduction of of of that respect.
Speaker 6: To regression therapy kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yes, into the into the research of of potential abductions
and all of that. And I think that that's fascinating.
And I don't know quite what to think about that,
don because you know, at that point, how how do
you separate how do you separate a reality from subconscious idealization?
You know, in so many other psychological factors when you're
dealing with the hypnosis, And of course I'm not a hypnotist,
ladies and gentlemen, but I think that that has to
be part of the equation at least, is that some
of that is addressed. And perhaps the people that do
the regressions and stuff are very careful about that. And
and we'll have to get somebody on the showdown that
deals with that kind of stuff, you know, because i'd
like to I'd like to understand that formula quite a
bit better, because it is It is fascinating that people.
First of all, it's fascinating that there is lost time
at all, you know, that people just find themselves. In fact,
a friend, a friend and both of us know he
was talking. He was on the show a long time
ago and he was talking about how he was on
a road trip going to he was going to be
driving by Area fifty one, and he was really excited
about driving by there, and he said, he said, the
next thing he knew, he was three hours pasted it,
passed it, and became aware that he was resting in
his car at a rest stop, three hours driving past
Area fifty one. So what the hell's going on there? Right?
And this is somebody we know.
Speaker 6: So this isn't just somebody we talked to face face, right,
not just.
Speaker 3: A random claim out there of somebody. So this is
a person that I believe has integrity and has you know,
a sense of decency. And I can't imagine him fabricating
this just for the sake of having something to talk about.
But what a fascinating thing, and what happened.
Speaker 6: He did own a picture of Pogo, that's true.
Speaker 3: He's ladies and gentlemen. The person we're talking about, of course,
is a is a great friend of ours, and his
name is Josh, and he collects all kinds of odd
and strange things, right, I mean, he has some of
the some of the coolest things ever. And in fact,
we'll have to figure out a way to get him
back on the show too, because uh, you know, it's
just and I believe he's actually uh going to go
into that business more more completely, which is fascinating as well.
But you know, with lost time, missing time abductions, crop
circles comes up next in my mind, you know, and
this one is interesting to me. Now, do I believe
that they're all legitimate?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Do I believe that there's there are some that are legitimate. Yeah,
I think there probably are. But there we get into
the hoaxing done, so we start hitting hitting the hoax
the hoax barrier. How do you know which ones are
real and which ones aren't?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, there's a lot of you know, debate
about that, you know, because who was it. There's like
Dave and Bill, you know, I the two guys that
went out and rope and plank and rope and jumped down.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: But here's the thing about that, when you're talking about
crop circles and things like that, you know, you can
supposedly I've never investigated crop circles myself, but what I
understand is if you go out there with planks and
ropes and you apply pressure to these, yeah, you can
bend them over, but you'll break the stocks. Now, the
real difference is a lot of that. You know, that's
just the first blush, you know, look at it. But
when you actually look at it, you notice that when
they're supposedly legitimate crop circles, they're not actually broke. The
stalks are actually you know formed, you know, reformed into
that shape, right, so they're not snapped the things like that. However,
there are also obviously, if you take a Geiger counter
out there, if it's faked, it's not going to have
you know, that level of radiation right exactly, you know,
just the not that right right, you know. But supposedly
with these real crop circles, you know, you get a
solid radiation, you get like you know, four or five
rods whatever, and also the stalks, the other nodes. There
are moisture nodes in grass and corn, you know, in
these stalks. Well when you when you apply radiation to moisture,
what does it do. It blows up, It warms up
and then blows out the node. So it's but it's
so the a real crop circle air Quotes has no
broken stocks. However, they have popped nodes, they have cooked nodes,
in the stalks. So you know, those are the big
ones right off the top. You know, yeah, you can
go out there with the board, but you're gonna break
the stalks and the grass. You're gonna actually break it
as opposed to that other. And then they're also there
has been volcanic glass beads found that are only you know,
that are only attributed to you know, high temperatures. You know,
you're talking like volcanic ash. It creates like little glass
pebbles because the dirt or the silica in the and
it it's like when a volcano blows up, it spits
out all these little I can't remember, spheres, these glass spheres.
So you find those in suppose that quote unquote legitimate
crop circles as well, because it points to the you know,
the chemical you know happenings of of the of the
silica in the dirt.
Speaker 3: So is it now this is curious because how then
does the does the actual plant matter not burn up
if there's that much there's too generated. That's a curiosity
though way, you.
Speaker 6: Know, but that's you know, that might be the difference
between a clean radiation and a dirty radiation. I mean,
you look at you know, people, it is claimed, it
is claimed that nuclear energy is clean energy. But then
we have Fukushima, we have Chernobyl, we have Long Island.
Speaker 3: You know it's not clean. Three Mile Island. Yes, I'm sorry,
I think Long Island is okay still.
Speaker 6: But yeah, three Mile Island. Yeah, so you know it's
not clean. It's it's by nowhere clean. As a matter
of fact, the other day I was talking about the
Red River in Russia. The Red River is red because
they've dumped you know, heavy heavy water in there. So
you know, it's not clean by any means, not clean.
But maybe this is maybe they, the extraterrestrials, the advanced intelligences,
have figured out how to make it stable, clean and clean.
So you know, maybe that's part of the cleanness. It's
not burning, it's not burning the crops.
Speaker 3: Sure, so maybe maybe what I think you're trying to
say and correct me if I'm wrong, though, is that
maybe the energy that's being expended is not the having
in this typical sense. Right, So it's it's interacting completely
with certain elements, but it's not a widespread interaction. Okay, sure,
sure that you know that that stands to reason, and
that makes sense to me. But uh, of course, getting
back into the hoaxes, the whole flying saucers and the advent,
the advent of everyone having a camera, and so everybody
with a with a homemade frisbee was out there seeing UFOs, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, you can't see that fishing line holding up
that pipe late.
Speaker 3: Now, A lot of times you couldn't because there was
you know, they were far and of course the camera
length the focal lengths were usually off and so everything that,
you know, unless they had a really pristine focus, you
wouldn't see it. But yeah, you know, and what is
the motivation behind that? You know, I suppose it is.
I suppose it's just the hey, look what I did,
and look at how many people I fooled. So it
becomes it becomes a game of I don't know, of achievement, right,
And I suppose you know, when you look at a
cybersecurity it's like one of the big things in the
hacker community, of course, is to release a worm or
something and see how much how many systems you can
bring down, and it's like everybody's counting coup on those things,
like well, I brought down fifteen ers in four countries, yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly,
So is it could be the same kind of mentality
with hoaxers.
Speaker 6: But that's a very good parallel. I think that's a
very good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's unfortunate because you know, honestly, ladies and gentlemen,
I think that's these these pursuits may seem way out
there for some people, like, well, you're just wasting your
time talking about UFOs and ghosts and bigfoots and stuff.
And yeah, I mean, and now here's the thing. Here's
the thing that I think that goes on with those
people that you know, they love a good hoax because
then it makes it makes the believers look easy, you know,
it makes you look like, well, you have no active
gray matter in your head. You're just latching onto any
idea that comes along. But I think part of that is,
honest to God, I think people are so desperate to
hang on to their paradigm that, you know, when things
like this happen, when there is UFO sightings, when there
are ghost experiences or bigfoot and stuff, it challenges everything.
It challenges the very nature of reality. And so these
people are so desperate to hang on to that that,
you know, and it's it's a ploy we see commonly.
It's either hoax and make a fool out of them,
or make jokes out of the whole thing, you know.
So it's like in politics, somebody says something profound, Well,
you know, in ten minutes, you just check Twitter and
you'll see five thousand memes making them look stupid, you know.
And it seems to be the way people defend the paradigm.
And so I think I think that's the point. But
you know, the paranormal certainly challenges everything when it happens,
it challenges everything. Suddenly there isn't just three dimensions, you know,
and obviously we know there's more, but it's it's not
just a matter of perception. It's the matter that reality
is dynamic and fluid, and it's not safe. You know.
People find safety in there, in their paradigms, in what
they know, right, yeah, exactly, So they're they're they're comfortable there,
and the last thing they want to do is lose that,
because when they lose that, they have to re examine everything.
Speaker 6: Right, and uh, it's like losing your innocence, you know, right,
and you know, somebody tells you something that you've believed
all your life is not true, you know, And that's
exactly it.
Speaker 3: Yes, Now here's in case in point, here's uh, here's
something that that came out. It says, and this this
article is coming from a site called Singularfordian dot com
and it says photos of Australian UFO crash taken from
set of sci fi show Hunters. So, and this is
something that's been going around and in fact, I think
this came across my feed and perhaps yours as well
done ya. So it says photos sent to the mutual
UFO network MoveOn as proof of an extraterrestrial craft having
crashed in the Macedon Ranges of Australia have been found
to actually be propped pieces from the set of a
Sci Fi channel television show called Hunters, which is filmed
in Australia. The photographs were attached to moufon case nine
nine five zero zero, and ladies and gentlemen, you can
go to moufon dot com or org and check out
their cases.
Speaker 6: They haven't changed it yet.
Speaker 3: If they haven't changed it yet, but it's case nine
nine five zero zero and accompanied by the following description
of events. So the person claims I was talking to
my son's friend and saying that I had in the
past seen things that made me believe UFOs exist. One
of them sent me those pictures of their friends who
were out on motorbikes in the Macedon Ranges when they
came upon a crashed UFO. They took some pictures that
I am sending to you. They called some friends and
told them they would come and pick them up to
show them the object. When they returned a few hours later,
the site had been cleaned and there was no remains
of the object. There was some police barrier tape, but
everything else was gone. They did take some pictures with
their phones before they before and after, and of course
being a podcast, I can't show you this, but if
you if you look it up, it's it's the whole.
Speaker 6: It just looks likes standing in front of the set holding.
Speaker 3: Up a beer like, I said, a beer one of
the guys hold up a beer like And it isn't
the photo featured above. Two more images were provided by
the sender. So this was big news. And there's even
a carved out trench to, you know, to show the
track of the crashing craft through the forest.
Speaker 6: It.
Speaker 3: You know, I never thought much of the When I
first saw it, I certainly wasn't convinced.
Speaker 6: We're just how partying and drinking beer one night, were
just hopping across the UFO crash, you know.
Speaker 3: But the sad part is and I don't know if
it's true. And then they got a Texas UFO is
do these photo show craft UFO in Australia? And of
course there's the two guys standing by the craft, one
of them in the background in an orange and black
shirt hoisting a green beer. It's a green beer can,
so it's pretty funny, and you know, it is kind
of tongue in cheek and maybe these guys actually thought
they found a crash UFO and maybe they had no
idea that there was a filming set in that area.
But wow, so is this an intentional hoax or is
it just one of those things of just simple misidentification.
Speaker 6: Sure, Oh no, that's an interesting I never.
Speaker 3: Saw this one, but this is the craft is from
season one, episode six of Hunters, titled Bunker Soldier. So
if you're familiar with the show Hunters, then you might
understand what they're talking about. But yeah, it looks like
a hell of a prop really, I mean it's huge.
Speaker 6: Well you noticed that the trees aren't broken off.
Speaker 3: And well, sure it's I mean it's just a natural
lane of trees, maybe a reforestation ages ago.
Speaker 6: But yeah, there's no nothing falling down. No, now, that's
definitely a stage a set, right, you know. And and
you know what, I bet you those guys just thought.
I bet you they knew. But I bet you they thought, oh,
we're gonna we're gonna prank our friends and post pictures that.
Speaker 3: Could be Yeah, I mean that's what. And then their
friend just went made a movie.
Speaker 6: Hey, my buddies found this, you know, because you know,
if you if you would have and it looks like,
you know, a personal spacecraft. You know, it's like a
one person you know, you know airplane, you know, well
an extraterrestrial type aircraft. But you know, how would they
not have like tried to break the bubble on top
because it's class you know, I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, it's hard to say. I don't know. I
would have been trying to drive the thing myself. Let's
take it for spin, let's pull there and jump in exactly. Yeah,
very very wild though, but you know, and in this case,
it may very well have been an inadvertent kind of hopes.
And apparently the show's not as popular as the TV
channel would hope because it went pretty far before it
ever got flagged. I mean, this has been around for
well over a week now or two, and this article
was written April fifth, so just last week or just
the week week and a half ago, I guess. So,
I don't know how long this has been around, but
it just came across my desk not too long ago.
I saw it, and I was like, I was, honest
to god, I was pretty unconvinced. I was pretty pretty
indifferent about it because I don't know, you know, to me,
it just looked like it looked like obviously it's a
weird kind of creation, but it didn't have you know,
convincing qualities to me, I.
Speaker 6: Guess, well, you know, you added a couple of layers
of filters on top.
Speaker 3: Of that, right, and lighting effects and yeah, exactly. I
mean if it was if it had some weird lighting
going on, yeah, then maybe it would be more convincing.
Speaker 6: You could do something like that and blender.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, no question about it. There you go,
but that is actually there. But unfortunately it's not real.
So you know, that's the problem with the paranormal. With
paranormal pursuits is that not only are you against uh,
You're you're pushing against people's paradigms and getting you know,
getting that that piece of evidence that's gonna maybe change
some people's minds or at least validate your case. But
you're also competing against all these idiots out there that
are you know, either inadvertently creating hoaxes or very intentionally
creating hoaxes just to see how far it'll go. And
that's that's the problem. I mean, So you know, no other,
no other pursuit probably has as much going against it
as a paranormal enthusiast.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, and like I've always said, you know,
we are we are and I include myself as the
skeptic side of it, you know, but there's things that
I'll wiggle on, you know, here and there. But we
are our own detractors. You know. You've got you people
who you know come out and say this is real,
this is real, and I'm convinced and this is why.
And then you have people that come out and they
do this. You know, we are our won't worst enemies.
You know, the people that hoax things purposefully and then
pass it off as real to make us look even
more nut Casey. No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: We're off at Casey up in here.
Speaker 6: It's true.
Speaker 3: He's the Portal. It is the portal, ladies and gentlemen,
and certainly everything and anything can happen during the portal.
But I think that's gonna about wrap it up for tonight.
I hope you guys have enjoyed this little journey through
the topic of UFOs. Obviously, the Paranormal Portal is going
to be going into a lot more of these in
depth with guests and specific discussions, but we're just kind
of setting the table right now. We're just kind of
setting the tone. This is this is our journey, and
of course we're talking about UFOs. We're going to be
broadcasting or a releasing podcasts three times a week, and
so I hope you guys are looking for them. Generally,
they'll be released Monday, Wednesday and Fridays, and wherever you
get your podcasts from, look for the Portal, because hopefully
we'll be there waiting for you.
Speaker 6: Well, we expect to be waiting there for you to
see us.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what we'll be.
Speaker 6: We'll be we'll be there. Just look for us, look
for us.
Speaker 3: We'll be watching for you. There you go, We'll h
we'll turn on the lights.
Speaker 6: Just uh lock the door on your way through.
Speaker 3: Pick up after yourself. No, I'm just kidding. But anyway,
ladies and gentlemen, that's the episode for tonight. I hope
you guys have enjoyed it, and thank you so much
for checking us out. And uh, if you want to
get in touch with us or you have a paranormal
experience of your own, please let us know via email
at Paranormal Portal Radio at gmail dot com. You can
follow the show on Facebook go to facebook dot com
slash Paranormal Portal Radio, and please check us out on
YouTube at YouTube dot com slash Paranormal Portal and you
can see Don and I doing the magic that it
is that we do in all of our streaming glories
and all of the problems that come with live broadcasting
as well as you know, podcasting. So we are gonna
be here for you. So thank you guys so much,
and take care, have a wonderful night. Be good, be kind,
be nice, take care of each other, help each other, out,
find the magic in every day and remember to laugh
as much as you can. There you go, all right, guys,
have a great night.
Speaker 6: And iye hi.
Speaker 7: This is done with Paranormal Portal. Thank you for checking
out our Paranormal Portal podcast. If you like what you heard,
please subscribe to our YouTube channel that's YouTube dot com
backslash Paranormal Portal and follow us on Facebook at Facebook
dot com Backslash Paranormal Portal Radio.
Speaker 8: Hmmm, act.
Speaker 9: U Sports betting is sweeping across the country faster than
the coronavirus, and.
Speaker 1: Wagering Week is your antidote.
Speaker 9: I'm Tom Martin, and I'm a veteran sports analyst and
respected sports handicapper who will help build ESPN's brand. I've
been recognized and awarded by Pro Football Weekly and Gaming
Today Magazine as the honest handicapper. Let the other guys
give you the same old, boring sports talk with the
same tired storylines. We'll give it to you straight here
every Friday on Wagering Week.
Speaker 3: Don't get up with other podcasts.
Speaker 9: Let Sports Guard Network's Wagering Week help your bottom line.
Speaker 1: Marketing is hard, but I'll tell you a little secret.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be.
Speaker 1: Let me point something out. You're listening to a podcast
right now and it's great.
Speaker 3: You love the host.
Speaker 1: Seek it out and download it. You listen to it
while driving, working out, cooking, even going to the bathroom.
Podcasts are a pretty close companion. And this is a
podcast ad. Did I get your attention? You can reach
great listeners like yourself with podcast advertising from libsynads. Choose
from hundreds of top podcasts offering host endorsements, or run
a pre produced ad like this one across thousands of shows.
To reach your target audience and their favorite podcasts with libsynads,
go to libsynads dot com. That's l I B s
y n ads dot com today