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Speaker 4: You're listening to Paranormal Portal on Revolver podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Paranormal Portal podcast. We

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hope you're having a great night. Thank you guys so

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much for joining us, and uh, I have a special

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treat tonight because I'm not alone here in the studio.

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My good friend and co host mister Don long Beard

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Speaker 6: How you doing, brother, I'm doing well. Thank goodness we're here.

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Speaker 3: So you feel like you're ready to talk?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, maybe eventually?

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Speaker 3: Are you ready to discuss the paranormal and all of

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its glory?

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Speaker 6: Slatly, that's what we're here for.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's what pays the bills, buddy. But tonight,

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ladies and gentlemen, we're going to discuss UFOs and have

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just a general discussion tonight about about the phenomenon and

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about all of the strangeness and weirdness, and of course

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we'll address a lot of the dynamics about it as

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much as we can, and we'll even touch on some

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of the hoaxes that are going around and the perpetual

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need of some people to try to get attention by

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creating hoaxes and stuff, which is absolutely maddening to me personally.

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I really don't like it. It really bothers me because

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there really working hard, they're really giving it their blood,

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sweat and tears to try to bring public awareness to

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you know, what is otherwise an extraordinarily fringe topic, you know,

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and it's it's extra frustrating when there's you know, some

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clowns with photoshop that are just like, hey, let's see

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if they'll believe this, right, you know what I mean,

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it's like, oh man. But then you know, on the

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other hand, you've got a bunch of people that are

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out there getting the boots on the ground, they're they're

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getting the equipment, they're spending all of their free time

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or a lot of their free time, you know, exploring

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this passion. And I think that's really really powerful. But

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you know, unfortunately all of those claims are not true.

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I you know, I think it's a it's an amazing

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topic and it's an amazing discussion. Now, don you've not

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Speaker 6: Then, right, Not that I would say as a UFO, Okay,

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other than you know, I don't know what it is

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the true you know, the straight well strictest sense. It's

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the paranormal. So it was a real honor and an amazing,

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amazing opportunity to have a chance to sit on Wes's

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ask me about about my experience, and I have ladies

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and gentlemen seeing UFOs, So for me, it's not a

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question of could they be out there, it's it's it's

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already a foregone conclusion to me that they are. Now,

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is is that it was about five years ago, four

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or five years ago. I don't know that. I don't

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you know, it's it's longer than yesterday.

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but no, I mean it was it was about four

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years ago, maybe five. But what had happened was I

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the area that we're in now, And ladies and gentlemen,

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the Paranormal Portal is UH is headquartered out of the north,

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the very north of Idaho. Literally you could like throw

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a rock and hit Canada from here.

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you know, Clement, you sure.

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pretty close. So we're like Canada light up here or.

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and my whole life I've had an open mind for

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the idea of there being UFOs, But I have to

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admit that my whole life, I've always looked the stars

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and saw nothing but stars, and so I was always

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bothersome to me that I'd spent so long looking up

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at the night sky, but just seeing the night sky,

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never really seeing anything that to me was anomalous or

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out of the ordinary. It was just stars and shooting

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stars every once in a great while, and the occasional

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northern lights, which were amazing in themselves, but certainly not

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an extraordinary phenomenon in terms of paranormal. But I was

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up up at his the owner of the company that

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I worked for, he had a cabin up here and

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they were transitioning it to become their house. However, at

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this time they didn't live in the house, he and

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his wife and baby, so they lived i don't know,

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probably a half hour away in a rental house while

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this was being worked on. But I came into town

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for a business meetings and such, and he said, you know,

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in the mountains. That's fine with me. It's a beautiful

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home on the side of a mountain, and then there's

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stream ran through it, and then an opposing mountain side

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red stars, and so they're not really visible with the

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naked eye. And I thought, you know, I wonder what

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the night sky looks like when you look at it

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through night vision. So I took his night vision binoculars

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outside on the porch, and being as it's out in

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the mountains and stuff, there was like no light pollution

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night sky is just brilliant. And so I was out

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there and I'm looking around, and of course I look

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up at the sky and sure enough, there's so many

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more stars in the sky when you're looking through night vision.

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field of view. And it was spectacular. So I'm like

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heard about them and stuff, and I never had a

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chance to really really dork around with them. So I was.

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and in the mountains, all by myself, in the area

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that this house was. There's no there's no other houses.

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and purposes, I was alone up in this mountain range

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remember the story. But I remember the details perfectly, but

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it's just the semantics of it are like, well, what

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and it was radiant and I could see with my

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marveling at the fact that I can see all the

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branches and stuff, even, you know, because I'm using the

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a switchback driveway, and you know, I'm playing around, and

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right next to the driveway, and which are big conifer

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trees like pines or spruce or whatever they are. I

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don't know my trees real well. But I got to

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the top of the trees and panned up a little

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bit further and about thirty feet above a tree that

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was about two to three hundred yards away. Thirty feet

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above that tree was no kidding, the proverbial flying saucer

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sitting there, hovering, absolutely silent, not a sound coming from it,

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that looked like they might be windows, except that they

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were alternately flashing light in the circular pattern on these

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strange panels. And I'm looking at up, going, oh my god,

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you know it's there. Done, It was there. It was

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right in front of me, and there was no more question.

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then pow here, how about a nice frying saucer. You know.

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It was absolutely breathtaking, and I'm just I'm stammering, I'm

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just enamored. I'm beside myself and I'm staring and it's

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just sitting there, and I was like wow, And so

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spot above the trees. But there's nothing.

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Speaker 3: It was missing, completely missing. So I'm like, what the

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hell just happened? So I raised the binoculars again. It's there.

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It's still sitting there. It's still sitting there, hovering silently

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and the lights flashing around it. I lowered the binoculars,

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it's not there. I raised the binoculars. It's there. Then

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I lore them and raise them. You know, I kept

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repeating this because it dawned on me that for some reason,

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it was not observable in my normal native light spectrum

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of my eyes, so it was like cloaked, but I

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could see it in the infrared spectrum and it was there.

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alone up here in the mountains, all by myself. There's

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no there's no one even close, you know. And then

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chances are they're up there looking at me. Right. So

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I was like, well, you know, I don't hanker I

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need any probe and tonight though, so I decided I

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was done. I was just going in. That was like,

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more real than it is now. And I went inside,

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locked the doors and sat on the bed for hours,

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just my head reeling, and it was just amazing. So

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Speaker 6: You know. I you know, we hear, we hear all

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kinds of stories and and and you know, I've I've

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heard the you know, it was not visible by the

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naked eye references and things like that, you know, so

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it doesn't surprise me that it took something beyond your

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your physical you know, you're obviously physical, you know, mechanics, lims,

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limitations exactly. And so it's it's always fun to hear

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the story because you know, like I said, I I

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don't ever think I would call something something a UFO

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that would be considered a spaceship or you know whatever

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that may be something alien, let's say that as opposed

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to terrestrial, because I you know, like I said before,

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would classify as alien about a UFO that I've seen,

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just the strictest sense. But you know, it's it's really

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cool to hear that story because you're the only person

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I know that I've ever met that physically met and

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shook hands with and talked to, and it's ever really

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seen one or claim to have seen one, you know,

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within it's a great story. I mean, it's a believable story, yes,

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but you know, I mean it's just one of those things,

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you know, until it's it's like it's like, I'm from Missouri,

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the show me state. You know, you've got to show me,

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give me the proof, you know. But unfortunately it's just

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one of those things. Now, I wonder, and you've done

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this before. You know, if you would have had a

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camera going through that night vision, you know, would it

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have come out on the video? And so I know

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you've done you've experimented with that before. Yes, and it

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had a kind of an incredible result, I'll have to say.

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But you know, you know, it's it's like that, you know,

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if it's very believable in the sense that obviously extraterrestrials

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are going to have better technology than we do. We

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can you know, barely go you know, four feet out

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the door without forgetting what we're doing, you know, but

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you know, our technology, yeah, it gets us to it

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gets us around, you know place. You know, the the satellites, gosh,

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the Voyager satellites, you know, they're they're out beyond the

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stars now in our in our universe, yeah, exactly. So

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you know, I mean, we we get out there, but

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we physically don't get out there. We just can't handle

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it yet. So you know, I mean it would take

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a real leap of evolution for us to get out there.

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the thing about this experience was is that the fact

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that I couldn't see it with my own eyes was

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the clincher for me. Now, sure, if I had seen

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it and then lowered the monoculars and seen it with

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my normal vision, I would think, Okay, is this is

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this one of ours? Is this something that that our

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engineers are working on? And that would have been within

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the realm of my possibilities at that point, terrestrial possible,

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right exactly, Like I could look at it and go, way, whoa,

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what are we working on? Now? What are we capable

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of it? But the fact that it wasn't visible through

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my normal eyesight but only was in the infrared was like,

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wait a minute, this is way out of our league.

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Speaker 6: You know. And that was something I was thinking about

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when you were retelling it just now. Is that you know.

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like you said, but with the naked eye, you know,

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you it would really bring home the terrestrial aspect of

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it's from here, or it could be well, it could

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be well because you know, not. Not all aliens, I

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imagine have the same level of technology. So maybe these ones,

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if you could see it by the eye, maybe they

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just didn't figure out cloaking yet, or you know, they

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they missed it because our our vision, you know, our

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our spectrum of vision is greater than what they anticipated.

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And they weren't as cloaked as they thought they were. Sure,

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so you know, one of those things. But if I,

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if I would have said, if you saw it by

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your naked eye, then I would have definitely questioned the

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terrestrial you knows exactly right, exactly now.

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Speaker 3: The thing is is that you know, of course there's

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a consideration that it could be terrestrial. It's just what

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you know, you look into the Hollow Earth ideas and

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stuff that some civilization, super advanced civilization right inside of

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our very planet. And you know, I don't know what

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to think about that. I think, you know, it's possible,

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I don't. The one thing with the paranormal is that

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you just can't you can't, you know, say that something's

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impossible because we hear all these fantastic ideas and thoughts

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and claims, and you know, and people we've talked to

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so many people that have experienced so many things, and

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I you know, even though the claim it may be

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really hard to believe when you talk to the people,

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it's like, well, okay, but I believe this person, you know.

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So that's the difference. But you know, seeing that was

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really incredible for me. And of course, like I said,

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it really it really brought it home. It was no

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longer just possible, it was it was a fact.

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Speaker 6: It was a fact to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was really really awesome. And so I

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don't know, you know, it's like maybe after a lifetime

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of look and I don't know what they can tell

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and what they can how advance is their civilization that

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they can they can listen to with you know what

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our dreams are, decide you're a lucky.

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Speaker 6: Day, You're getting a special dream.

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Speaker 3: They glibed for let's drive over here for whatever the

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names might be. I don't know what alien names are,

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but you know exactly, you just don't know. But you know,

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they might be like, hey, that dude over there wants

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to see us. What do you think?

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Speaker 6: Let's you never know, but have a crazy time.

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Speaker 3: There was none of that going on, And I don't

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let me tell you that was a probe free zone

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up in there, I understand, you know, but I just

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I wasn't having any part of that. But you know,

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it was just really amazing. So that was a clincher

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for me. Now since then, after that experience, first of all,

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ladies and gentlemen, I went I got home after my

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after my journey, and I went right on Amazon and

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I found those very there was very binoculars and ordered them.

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Even though it wasn't the most fiscally responsible thing I'd done.

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What occurred to me is that maybe they're always there,

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Maybe they're all he's around. This isn't probably that fantastic

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because they can just hide, you know, because who's running

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around all the time with night vision on, you know.

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Speaker 6: The military. Well yeah, but they've got to see him too.

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Speaker 3: They're already in on this. We all know that they

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are already plugged into this whole deal. So you know,

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And whether that's true or not, I don't know. It

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very well could be because we've certainly heard those claims

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as well. But I got him and as I've been

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looking at the night sky over the years, and that

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what I did, Ladies and gentlemen, as I rigged up

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a go pro knockoff to, you know, sit on one

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of the eye pieces of the binoculars and I look

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through the other one and scan the sky. And I've

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actually caught a few things on video, one of which

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I shared with the Sasquatch Chronicles page. You know, Wes

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let me or posted it up there. When I talked

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to him about it, He's like, yeah, let me let

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me see and we can post it on the page.

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And I was like, yeah, so it's been checked out

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and by a lot of a lot of different viewers. Now,

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this one that I did record is nowhere near as

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fantastic as what at my first sighting. But the thing is,

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it's just that these things could always be out there.

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They could always be checking on us, you know. And

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then and then you hear the ideas that, you know,

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are we in some kind of extraterrestrial zoo? You know,

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And and basically these are tour groups just coming through

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and off to the left, you're gonna see a mountain human.

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Look at him on the porch, staring up here. He

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can't see us, ladies and gentlemen, we are cloaked.

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Speaker 6: That's when you wave out him.

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Speaker 3: Don't feed the humans. Yeah, you never know but I mean,

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it's just that kind of deal. So is that possible. Yeah,

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I don't know. I mean, anything is possible, But it

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was just an incredible thing. Now a lot of people

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like to think that this is a new phenomenon, and

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the and the the naysayers like to say, well, you know,

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this is all just a bleed off of popular culture

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and it comes from the the fifties and the B

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movies and stuff, and and don you did a bunch

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of research on this, and then how far back did

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your research go into reports of UFOs?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, you can always you can, well, you know,

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the most famous one, I guess was from about eighteen

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forty five, eighteen fifty, eighteen fifty five, somewhere in there,

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maybe sixty sixty five into the just before around the

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Civil War before I believe it may have been just after,

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but right in there. But it was like somewhere in Texas.

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I can't remember the name of the city in Texas

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but or the town in Texas, but basically there was

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a story that said, you know, an airship because they

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didn't have the words UFO back or the term UFO,

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but an airship it crashed into like you know, farmer

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Miller's barn, you know, and a lot of there's a

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movie called Cowboys and Aliens and it's kind of set

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based on that story as possible, big, you know, as

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well as possible, you know, there's only so much you

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can do. But anyhow, it's mostly fantastical, the movie, but

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it was based on that idea that an airship had

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crashed into Miller's barn, you know, three miles out, you know,

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from town. Sure, so back then, but then also you know,

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you can go back to you know, Elizabethan times, you know,

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seventeen hundreds, sixteen hundreds, even all the way back into

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the Bible, you know, so yeah, I mean, you know

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there are the pictures that were painted with you know,

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different odd things, the wheel in the sky, you know

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that even the Eastern Star could have been theoretically a spaceship.

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And then the Sumerian yeah, all the way back to Sumerians. Yeah,

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you know, but of course when you're talking to Samerians

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and you're talking to Aliens, you're talking about like eight

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different kings over a time of one hundred and fifty

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thousand years, so you know, but then again, you know,

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the Samarians have been you know connected to aliens in

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some way, because there is just no real way to tell.

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I mean, uh, Samaria, the Samerian culture gave us you know, Cuneiform,

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which is writing, you know, and and could this have

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been the pro genesis to you know actual you know,

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his writing of history. So you know, you can go

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back as far as you want, you know, because there

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is there's connections left and right, even after the deluge.

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Now this could be you know, twelve to fifteen thousand

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years ago according to different people, or it could even

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be back farther depending on how you look. If you

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look at the Bible, it may have been only two

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centuries ago, you know whatever. Actually it'd be more like three.

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But you know, you know, even the hope you have

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their alien stories or they're they're not human stories that

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you know, they they were taken underground to survive the

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deluge or you know, the Great whatever whatever their term

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for it was the Great Happening whatever, So you know,

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I mean, there you go. I mean, you know, they

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were they were taken underground by the app people and

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then after a measure of days they were brought back up.

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And you know, and if you look at the delusion,

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the Bible it was forty days and forty nights. So yeah,

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that's a lot of water to go away in forty days.

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You know. Apparently it only went away at night. But

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I mean, you know, they go back time immemorial, you know,

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so there's there's a lot of alien extraterrestrial UFO stuff

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all the way back. So yeah, they've it's it's there.

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It's it's part of our culture. And I don't mean

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like pulp culture. I mean it's part of our culture, right,

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it just is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so you know, I mean that's that's to me,

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that's validating for the whole phenomenon as well, if I

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even if I hadn't witnessed it myself, the fact that

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there's such a re corded history of it, right, you know,

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and that it's been it's been a part of cultures

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around the world, even back to Egypt and further back,

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even the hieroglyphs. There's some of whose strange ones. There's

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00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,880
there's a carving and I don't know if it's Peru

470
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,319
or where is it, but it shows like astronaut.

471
00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 6: Oh no, yeah, you know. Now where here's where I'll

472
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:28,000
deviate from that, because you know, there have been so

473
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,720
much remodeling work on the outside of these old places.

474
00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:36,680
And you know, it's not unheard of that a stonemason

475
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,079
or someone who has a sense of humor, you know,

476
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,559
added something like that. You know, like the Astronaut. There

477
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,519
was another one. Oh, there's just a whole bunch of them.

478
00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:48,960
Off the top of my head, I can't remember, but

479
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,079
the astronaut's the most famous one. It wouldn't surprise me

480
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,680
at all that that something happened during a storm and

481
00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:57,920
whatever was originally there was damaged and they sent somebody

482
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,759
up to repair it to or whatever, and the guy

483
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,240
just went, hahaha, watch this. And you know it has

484
00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:08,119
to be modern. I mean, it has to be after

485
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,240
the after forties, fifties, sixties.

486
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 3: But even if it's not.

487
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 6: Well, see now there's no way to tell. Well, there

488
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,400
would be a lot of research to do behind it,

489
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,680
but you could tell. I mean, it certainly wasn't done

490
00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:22,599
by somebody, you know, and in you know, the turn

491
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,680
of the century, because we had no conceivable idea what

492
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:26,119
things were.

493
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: That's what makes that's what makes it fantastic.

494
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 6: Well, that's impossible if it was true, yef, it's true.

495
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 3: Right, I can't say for sure. I mean, I'm only

496
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,599
going on the references that I have run across enough,

497
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,960
and I haven't heard any any any speculation that it

498
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:46,119
was a modern uh refabrication, but I haven't you have it? Yeah, okay,

499
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,319
well that's great, you know. And then and that's the thing, but.

500
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 6: It's only one possibility. I mean, it may or may

501
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,759
not be true. There's you know, there's a whole lot

502
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:55,920
of research that I would you know, i'd be glad

503
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,119
would do sometime, but you know, right now it's time

504
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:03,599
time concerted, time limited. So but anyhow, but you know,

505
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,920
I mean, oh, and then the aliens. Did you see

506
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:13,240
like the oh, the hybrids, the from the movies? What

507
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:15,519
are they called? Why do I keep forgetting these things

508
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,039
from the alien movies?

509
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 3: The oh?

510
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 6: But anyhow, the aliens in the Alien movies, the ones

511
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,480
that eat everything with the little yeah exactly. Now there's

512
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:30,559
also an account of one of those being crafted onto

513
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,240
the side of a church or a castle.

514
00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 3: Or something like that.

515
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 6: But then again, you know the hr Geiger you know

516
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,000
style thing, but you know it, so, you know, I mean,

517
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,400
that's just and there's a history of remodelers and stonemasons

518
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,160
that have done this. I mean even even back into

519
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:57,559
old times when there's one there's one German okay, there's

520
00:27:57,599 --> 00:28:01,400
one German cathedral that has a guy supposedly, you know,

521
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:06,720
committing sexual acts on himself. So but and that's original,

522
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,079
but it originally happened with the guy who thought it

523
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,279
was funny, so he did it, or at least that's

524
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:14,279
what I'm understanding.

525
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,319
Speaker 3: So this is our discussion up to this point. Ladies

526
00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:19,359
and gentlemen. We're gonna take a quick break and we'll

527
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,079
be right back for more of the Paranormal Portal. And

528
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,240
our journey into the whole concept of UFO was including

529
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,599
some potential hoaxes, so don't go ahead, we'll be right back.

530
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:14,279
All right, ladies and gentlemen, We're back here at the

531
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:18,880
Paranormal Portal podcast studios, and we are excited to bring

532
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:24,519
you another another section of fun filled entertainments that only

533
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:26,319
we can bring you here on the Portal, and so

534
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,480
buckle in and make yourself comfortable. It's it's going to

535
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,400
be a right up. So you know, we've all heard

536
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,920
about things like Roswell, and of course the Roswell crash

537
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:47,240
I think is incredibly poignant and something happened there. That

538
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:50,559
doesn't make sense, you know, of course that everybody knows

539
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:54,200
the original. The original release from a major or something was,

540
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,599
hey we found a UFO, we found a flying saucer,

541
00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:01,880
and it was, you know, amazingly huge news. It was

542
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:05,519
published all over the place, I think, and of course

543
00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:09,000
a day or two later, or maybe a day well it.

544
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 6: Was yeah, it was yeah, it was like twenty four

545
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:12,400
hours later.

546
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: Then it's no, it wasn't the UFOs. What was So

547
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,920
they claim it was a weather balloon and they had

548
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,799
the guy posing with pictures of the foil.

549
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 6: Foure Jesse marcelis all.

550
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: Right, way to pull out the fact. That's good, you know,

551
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,000
I mean, whoever it was. But the interesting thing about that,

552
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:35,880
don is so they they claim it was just a

553
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:41,000
weather balloon. However they still deployed like a regiment of

554
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,240
military to go recover a weather balloon. Does that even

555
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,200
make sense at all?

556
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 6: No, But here's the thing. Think about it this way though, Yeah,

557
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:59,680
I mean, the original, the original. So here's a couple ideas.

558
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,720
First of all, is a weather balloon gonna cut gouges

559
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:05,720
into your field for a half mile to a mile

560
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:08,480
and then skip and then do you know, another five

561
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:12,279
hundred yards. Now that's not going to do anything like that.

562
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:14,799
There's no weight to a weather balloon. That's why they float,

563
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,960
so you know, I mean, so you know, you got that,

564
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,839
and then you know, uh, then you know, but with

565
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,720
the idea, you know, some some farmer, you know, farmer

566
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,119
farmer Jones calls up and says, yeah, I think there's

567
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:33,000
our UFO down my back forty you know, you know,

568
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,039
so what what would they have to do. They would

569
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:37,000
have to send out a whole regiment because they don't

570
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:39,480
know what it is, so they have no clue. But

571
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:41,960
then after the regiment's there, they start picking up pieces

572
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,240
and say, oh, this is a weather balloon. But Jesse

573
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:48,680
Marsalis has already said you know, he's he's already twisted

574
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:51,279
up the metal and watched it reform itself, and and

575
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,480
you know, and and and so you know, really really strange.

576
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,559
So there's a couple ideas, you know, But yes, I

577
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,559
think they would have to send out some kind of battalion,

578
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:03,240
you know, company to go check it out to make sure,

579
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,759
you know, if it's safe.

580
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: So I mean, well, if it's just a weather balloon,

581
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,119
I don't know.

582
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 6: But the farmer didn't say it was a weather No,

583
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,160
I know. That's so that's that's the thing. They sent

584
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,319
him out and they went, oh ok.

585
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, so no, let's cut to the chase. Do you

586
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:18,160
believe it was a weather.

587
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:21,839
Speaker 6: I don't believe it was a weather balloon? Uh maybe

588
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:27,200
maybe for that time, a high tech piece of military hardware, rocketry,

589
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,920
whatever that might be. You know, that was after World

590
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,519
War Two, so we had Operation Paper Club going, you know,

591
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:39,839
so we had yeah, exactly, so we had all these

592
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,759
rocket experts and things like that. So and plus we're

593
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:46,359
talking about New Mexico. What's in New Mexico White Sands.

594
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,599
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. That's a good point.

595
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:49,319
Speaker 6: Think about that.

596
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:51,039
Speaker 3: That's the testing grounds of course for a lot of

597
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:55,000
different vehicles and such. And perhaps one of their rocket

598
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:55,720
cars got loose.

599
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:57,759
Speaker 6: So that's that's what I'm saying, is it could have been,

600
00:32:57,799 --> 00:32:59,839
you know, one of those I mean, but I'm not

601
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,960
to say it wasn't a UFO. It was a UFO

602
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:05,559
in the strictest sense of unidentified flying object.

603
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: But Jesse Marcellis had metaled that he folded and repaired itself.

604
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:12,519
Speaker 6: A few people had that. Yeah, yeah, so.

605
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 3: Now that is curious it is very curious something happened there,

606
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:20,359
but you know, of course that there it's a common theme.

607
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:23,680
Every time something happens, there's some kind of really stupid,

608
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:28,480
mundane explanation for it on the official releases. Now everybody's

609
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:32,599
aware of the concept of the reverse engineering and the

610
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,480
you know, the accelerated black projects that are dealing with

611
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:39,759
this kind of stuff, and and of course the eventual

612
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,200
arrival of Area fifty one, right, and that whole Cloak

613
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,160
and d Egger deal. So men in black. You know,

614
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:50,000
the list goes on and on the X Files eventually,

615
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:51,960
which brought us all into.

616
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 6: The well Project Blue Book back in the seventies. Sure,

617
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:57,359
you know that TV show, I should say, but that's

618
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,319
you know, a majestic twelve.

619
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 3: Yes, Now, what am I going to say about this? Yeah?

620
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:09,000
I think I think that the part that's really tough

621
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,840
for me in these kind of situations is the amount

622
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,679
of condescension that comes with some of those explanations. It's like, wow,

623
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,800
you know, they must have such a low opinion of

624
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,079
the intelligence of the people in this country because of

625
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:26,599
the because of the garbage that they try to use

626
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,559
to explain it away. Nothing to see here, folks, what

627
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,800
we have here is an ash cream truck that just

628
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,440
frees are exploded. And you see that is not nuclear radiation.

629
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:43,599
Speaker 6: That is that is Schubert, it's living lime.

630
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,599
Speaker 3: I come on, kids, grab a cone, clean it up.

631
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:48,079
Speaker 6: Don't worry.

632
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 3: It's not going to hurt you, right, Yeah, I don't

633
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,639
mind the glow. But you know, it's just this strangeness, right,

634
00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:58,679
So I you know, I think for many of us

635
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,920
it's a foregone conclusion. And as I already stated, for

636
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,320
me obviously, but you've been researching this for a long time,

637
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,320
and of course your first your first appearance on the

638
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,920
show was the Eisenhower Cords when we discussed all of that,

639
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:13,840
and I thought that that was really amazing and a

640
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,679
lot of great information. It might, it might now that

641
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:21,960
the Eisenhower Accords, of course, would be after right it was.

642
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,519
Speaker 6: Yeah. So Roswell was forty seven, early or late late spring,

643
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:31,840
early summer forty seven. Then the Eisenhower story begins in

644
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,599
about fifty three, so February fifty three.

645
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,599
Speaker 3: So a lot seems to have happened in a very

646
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:39,440
short order of time, all of a sudden, as far

647
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,519
as the alleged cooperation of our government and perhaps governments

648
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:47,440
around the world with certain alien species, and of course

649
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:52,360
the rabbit Hole gets incredibly deep on all of these subjects,

650
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:55,960
and we can't obviously crack through and with any with

651
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:59,920
any complexity on one small podcast here, but you know,

652
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:02,000
these are things that we're definitely going to be exploring

653
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:04,559
on the portal as part of our our coverage of

654
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:08,119
the u UFO phenomena. And I think that you know,

655
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:13,840
the the wildness is just I mean, it's it's it's insane,

656
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:18,280
you know, and the the the abductees, it's a whole

657
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,119
nother thing where people are you know, taking and and

658
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:22,280
and experimented on.

659
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 6: And you know Bettill Yeah, yeah, it Traff's Walton, Yeah.

660
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 3: Travis Walton, Barneing Betty Hill, and you know is Barneing

661
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,840
Betty Hill. Basically the the.

662
00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 6: First it's it's one, it's it's it's it's the first

663
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,920
one that came out publicly or or at least you know,

664
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:44,559
got so much attention. Yes, so they're like the progenesis

665
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:48,559
of all of that particular abduction stories kind of thing.

666
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,559
Speaker 3: And I think that that's the first instance of using

667
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,039
hypnosis as a form of recovering lost time. Yes, so

668
00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:00,719
that would be the introduction of of of that respect.

669
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 6: To regression therapy kind of stuff.

670
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 3: Yes, into the into the research of of potential abductions

671
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,559
and all of that. And I think that that's fascinating.

672
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:14,119
And I don't know quite what to think about that,

673
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:18,519
don because you know, at that point, how how do

674
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:25,960
you separate how do you separate a reality from subconscious idealization?

675
00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:29,599
You know, in so many other psychological factors when you're

676
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:31,719
dealing with the hypnosis, And of course I'm not a hypnotist,

677
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,320
ladies and gentlemen, but I think that that has to

678
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,840
be part of the equation at least, is that some

679
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,000
of that is addressed. And perhaps the people that do

680
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:43,119
the regressions and stuff are very careful about that. And

681
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:45,199
and we'll have to get somebody on the showdown that

682
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,800
deals with that kind of stuff, you know, because i'd

683
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,800
like to I'd like to understand that formula quite a

684
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,360
bit better, because it is It is fascinating that people.

685
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,159
First of all, it's fascinating that there is lost time

686
00:37:56,199 --> 00:37:58,960
at all, you know, that people just find themselves. In fact,

687
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,960
a friend, a friend and both of us know he

688
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:03,199
was talking. He was on the show a long time

689
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,360
ago and he was talking about how he was on

690
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,559
a road trip going to he was going to be

691
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:14,559
driving by Area fifty one, and he was really excited

692
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:17,079
about driving by there, and he said, he said, the

693
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:19,559
next thing he knew, he was three hours pasted it,

694
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:23,760
passed it, and became aware that he was resting in

695
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,320
his car at a rest stop, three hours driving past

696
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,159
Area fifty one. So what the hell's going on there? Right?

697
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:33,599
And this is somebody we know.

698
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 6: So this isn't just somebody we talked to face face, right,

699
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:37,239
not just.

700
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:40,159
Speaker 3: A random claim out there of somebody. So this is

701
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:44,239
a person that I believe has integrity and has you know,

702
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,880
a sense of decency. And I can't imagine him fabricating

703
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,639
this just for the sake of having something to talk about.

704
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:54,960
But what a fascinating thing, and what happened.

705
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:59,679
Speaker 6: He did own a picture of Pogo, that's true.

706
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,159
Speaker 3: He's ladies and gentlemen. The person we're talking about, of course,

707
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,159
is a is a great friend of ours, and his

708
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,800
name is Josh, and he collects all kinds of odd

709
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,880
and strange things, right, I mean, he has some of

710
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,920
the some of the coolest things ever. And in fact,

711
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,920
we'll have to figure out a way to get him

712
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,400
back on the show too, because uh, you know, it's

713
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,440
just and I believe he's actually uh going to go

714
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:24,599
into that business more more completely, which is fascinating as well.

715
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:29,199
But you know, with lost time, missing time abductions, crop

716
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,840
circles comes up next in my mind, you know, and

717
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,800
this one is interesting to me. Now, do I believe

718
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,000
that they're all legitimate?

719
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:37,119
Speaker 5: No?

720
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: Do I believe that there's there are some that are legitimate. Yeah,

721
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,679
I think there probably are. But there we get into

722
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:48,119
the hoaxing done, so we start hitting hitting the hoax

723
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,000
the hoax barrier. How do you know which ones are

724
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,039
real and which ones aren't?

725
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 6: Well, you know, there's a lot of you know, debate

726
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,119
about that, you know, because who was it. There's like

727
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,760
Dave and Bill, you know, I the two guys that

728
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,039
went out and rope and plank and rope and jumped down.

729
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:06,599
Speaker 3: You know.

730
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 6: But here's the thing about that, when you're talking about

731
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,039
crop circles and things like that, you know, you can

732
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,880
supposedly I've never investigated crop circles myself, but what I

733
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,119
understand is if you go out there with planks and

734
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,920
ropes and you apply pressure to these, yeah, you can

735
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,840
bend them over, but you'll break the stocks. Now, the

736
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,119
real difference is a lot of that. You know, that's

737
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:31,920
just the first blush, you know, look at it. But

738
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,719
when you actually look at it, you notice that when

739
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,119
they're supposedly legitimate crop circles, they're not actually broke. The

740
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:42,880
stalks are actually you know formed, you know, reformed into

741
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:48,239
that shape, right, so they're not snapped the things like that. However,

742
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,639
there are also obviously, if you take a Geiger counter

743
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:55,360
out there, if it's faked, it's not going to have

744
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:59,639
you know, that level of radiation right exactly, you know,

745
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:05,480
just the not that right right, you know. But supposedly

746
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:10,840
with these real crop circles, you know, you get a

747
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,159
solid radiation, you get like you know, four or five

748
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:18,079
rods whatever, and also the stalks, the other nodes. There

749
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:22,320
are moisture nodes in grass and corn, you know, in

750
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,199
these stalks. Well when you when you apply radiation to moisture,

751
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,400
what does it do. It blows up, It warms up

752
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,079
and then blows out the node. So it's but it's

753
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:39,280
so the a real crop circle air Quotes has no

754
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,920
broken stocks. However, they have popped nodes, they have cooked nodes,

755
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,119
in the stalks. So you know, those are the big

756
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:48,920
ones right off the top. You know, yeah, you can

757
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,559
go out there with the board, but you're gonna break

758
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:53,559
the stalks and the grass. You're gonna actually break it

759
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,400
as opposed to that other. And then they're also there

760
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:02,639
has been volcanic glass beads found that are only you know,

761
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,079
that are only attributed to you know, high temperatures. You know,

762
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:14,079
you're talking like volcanic ash. It creates like little glass

763
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:17,400
pebbles because the dirt or the silica in the and

764
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,320
it it's like when a volcano blows up, it spits

765
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,480
out all these little I can't remember, spheres, these glass spheres.

766
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:30,039
So you find those in suppose that quote unquote legitimate

767
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:33,800
crop circles as well, because it points to the you know,

768
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,239
the chemical you know happenings of of the of the

769
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,360
silica in the dirt.

770
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,119
Speaker 3: So is it now this is curious because how then

771
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:46,400
does the does the actual plant matter not burn up

772
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,519
if there's that much there's too generated. That's a curiosity

773
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:49,960
though way, you.

774
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,039
Speaker 6: Know, but that's you know, that might be the difference

775
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:56,000
between a clean radiation and a dirty radiation. I mean,

776
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,440
you look at you know, people, it is claimed, it

777
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:03,840
is claimed that nuclear energy is clean energy. But then

778
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,679
we have Fukushima, we have Chernobyl, we have Long Island.

779
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,599
Speaker 3: You know it's not clean. Three Mile Island. Yes, I'm sorry,

780
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,880
I think Long Island is okay still.

781
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:18,119
Speaker 6: But yeah, three Mile Island. Yeah, so you know it's

782
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:20,280
not clean. It's it's by nowhere clean. As a matter

783
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,159
of fact, the other day I was talking about the

784
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:25,280
Red River in Russia. The Red River is red because

785
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,760
they've dumped you know, heavy heavy water in there. So

786
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:33,440
you know, it's not clean by any means, not clean.

787
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:39,840
But maybe this is maybe they, the extraterrestrials, the advanced intelligences,

788
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:44,760
have figured out how to make it stable, clean and clean.

789
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:48,400
So you know, maybe that's part of the cleanness. It's

790
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,119
not burning, it's not burning the crops.

791
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,599
Speaker 3: Sure, so maybe maybe what I think you're trying to

792
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:56,079
say and correct me if I'm wrong, though, is that

793
00:43:56,119 --> 00:44:00,360
maybe the energy that's being expended is not the having

794
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:06,719
in this typical sense. Right, So it's it's interacting completely

795
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,760
with certain elements, but it's not a widespread interaction. Okay, sure,

796
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,039
sure that you know that that stands to reason, and

797
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:17,400
that makes sense to me. But uh, of course, getting

798
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,400
back into the hoaxes, the whole flying saucers and the advent,

799
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,519
the advent of everyone having a camera, and so everybody

800
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:31,119
with a with a homemade frisbee was out there seeing UFOs, right.

801
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, you can't see that fishing line holding up

802
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:35,639
that pipe late.

803
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 3: Now, A lot of times you couldn't because there was

804
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,679
you know, they were far and of course the camera

805
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,880
length the focal lengths were usually off and so everything that,

806
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:47,960
you know, unless they had a really pristine focus, you

807
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,760
wouldn't see it. But yeah, you know, and what is

808
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,840
the motivation behind that? You know, I suppose it is.

809
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,519
I suppose it's just the hey, look what I did,

810
00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:00,280
and look at how many people I fooled. So it

811
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:06,960
becomes it becomes a game of I don't know, of achievement, right,

812
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:09,079
And I suppose you know, when you look at a

813
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:11,639
cybersecurity it's like one of the big things in the

814
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:14,000
hacker community, of course, is to release a worm or

815
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,960
something and see how much how many systems you can

816
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,719
bring down, and it's like everybody's counting coup on those things,

817
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:26,400
like well, I brought down fifteen ers in four countries, yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly,

818
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,440
So is it could be the same kind of mentality

819
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:30,000
with hoaxers.

820
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:33,199
Speaker 6: But that's a very good parallel. I think that's a

821
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:33,840
very good one.

822
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's unfortunate because you know, honestly, ladies and gentlemen,

823
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,960
I think that's these these pursuits may seem way out

824
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,920
there for some people, like, well, you're just wasting your

825
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,960
time talking about UFOs and ghosts and bigfoots and stuff.

826
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,719
And yeah, I mean, and now here's the thing. Here's

827
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,639
the thing that I think that goes on with those

828
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,400
people that you know, they love a good hoax because

829
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,559
then it makes it makes the believers look easy, you know,

830
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:02,920
it makes you look like, well, you have no active

831
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,239
gray matter in your head. You're just latching onto any

832
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:10,000
idea that comes along. But I think part of that is,

833
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:13,119
honest to God, I think people are so desperate to

834
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:16,280
hang on to their paradigm that, you know, when things

835
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,559
like this happen, when there is UFO sightings, when there

836
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:23,800
are ghost experiences or bigfoot and stuff, it challenges everything.

837
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,920
It challenges the very nature of reality. And so these

838
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,880
people are so desperate to hang on to that that,

839
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,639
you know, and it's it's a ploy we see commonly.

840
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:37,559
It's either hoax and make a fool out of them,

841
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:40,800
or make jokes out of the whole thing, you know.

842
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,440
So it's like in politics, somebody says something profound, Well,

843
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,559
you know, in ten minutes, you just check Twitter and

844
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:51,960
you'll see five thousand memes making them look stupid, you know.

845
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:55,320
And it seems to be the way people defend the paradigm.

846
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,400
And so I think I think that's the point. But

847
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:02,599
you know, the paranormal certainly challenges everything when it happens,

848
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:07,239
it challenges everything. Suddenly there isn't just three dimensions, you know,

849
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,239
and obviously we know there's more, but it's it's not

850
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,239
just a matter of perception. It's the matter that reality

851
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,039
is dynamic and fluid, and it's not safe. You know.

852
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:20,400
People find safety in there, in their paradigms, in what

853
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,079
they know, right, yeah, exactly, So they're they're they're comfortable there,

854
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:27,480
and the last thing they want to do is lose that,

855
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,800
because when they lose that, they have to re examine everything.

856
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 6: Right, and uh, it's like losing your innocence, you know, right,

857
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,440
and you know, somebody tells you something that you've believed

858
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,800
all your life is not true, you know, And that's

859
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:40,440
exactly it.

860
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,519
Speaker 3: Yes, Now here's in case in point, here's uh, here's

861
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:48,400
something that that came out. It says, and this this

862
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:52,239
article is coming from a site called Singularfordian dot com

863
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,320
and it says photos of Australian UFO crash taken from

864
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:02,360
set of sci fi show Hunters. So, and this is

865
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,480
something that's been going around and in fact, I think

866
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,280
this came across my feed and perhaps yours as well

867
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,920
done ya. So it says photos sent to the mutual

868
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:15,320
UFO network MoveOn as proof of an extraterrestrial craft having

869
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,159
crashed in the Macedon Ranges of Australia have been found

870
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:22,920
to actually be propped pieces from the set of a

871
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,159
Sci Fi channel television show called Hunters, which is filmed

872
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:32,119
in Australia. The photographs were attached to moufon case nine

873
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,239
nine five zero zero, and ladies and gentlemen, you can

874
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,760
go to moufon dot com or org and check out

875
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:38,400
their cases.

876
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:39,559
Speaker 6: They haven't changed it yet.

877
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 3: If they haven't changed it yet, but it's case nine

878
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:46,199
nine five zero zero and accompanied by the following description

879
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,840
of events. So the person claims I was talking to

880
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,639
my son's friend and saying that I had in the

881
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:56,400
past seen things that made me believe UFOs exist. One

882
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,440
of them sent me those pictures of their friends who

883
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,119
were out on motorbikes in the Macedon Ranges when they

884
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:06,239
came upon a crashed UFO. They took some pictures that

885
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,079
I am sending to you. They called some friends and

886
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:10,519
told them they would come and pick them up to

887
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:14,639
show them the object. When they returned a few hours later,

888
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:17,599
the site had been cleaned and there was no remains

889
00:49:17,679 --> 00:49:20,880
of the object. There was some police barrier tape, but

890
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:24,719
everything else was gone. They did take some pictures with

891
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,960
their phones before they before and after, and of course

892
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:31,239
being a podcast, I can't show you this, but if

893
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,960
you if you look it up, it's it's the whole.

894
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 6: It just looks likes standing in front of the set holding.

895
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: Up a beer like, I said, a beer one of

896
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,880
the guys hold up a beer like And it isn't

897
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,159
the photo featured above. Two more images were provided by

898
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,440
the sender. So this was big news. And there's even

899
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,119
a carved out trench to, you know, to show the

900
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,360
track of the crashing craft through the forest.

901
00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:56,599
Speaker 6: It.

902
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,559
Speaker 3: You know, I never thought much of the When I

903
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:02,880
first saw it, I certainly wasn't convinced.

904
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 6: We're just how partying and drinking beer one night, were

905
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:10,280
just hopping across the UFO crash, you know.

906
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,519
Speaker 3: But the sad part is and I don't know if

907
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:14,920
it's true. And then they got a Texas UFO is

908
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,679
do these photo show craft UFO in Australia? And of

909
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,639
course there's the two guys standing by the craft, one

910
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:23,760
of them in the background in an orange and black

911
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,840
shirt hoisting a green beer. It's a green beer can,

912
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,960
so it's pretty funny, and you know, it is kind

913
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,239
of tongue in cheek and maybe these guys actually thought

914
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,159
they found a crash UFO and maybe they had no

915
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,239
idea that there was a filming set in that area.

916
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:45,519
But wow, so is this an intentional hoax or is

917
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:49,000
it just one of those things of just simple misidentification.

918
00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:51,519
Speaker 6: Sure, Oh no, that's an interesting I never.

919
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,159
Speaker 3: Saw this one, but this is the craft is from

920
00:50:54,239 --> 00:51:00,039
season one, episode six of Hunters, titled Bunker Soldier. So

921
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,280
if you're familiar with the show Hunters, then you might

922
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,760
understand what they're talking about. But yeah, it looks like

923
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,519
a hell of a prop really, I mean it's huge.

924
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:11,639
Speaker 6: Well you noticed that the trees aren't broken off.

925
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 3: And well, sure it's I mean it's just a natural

926
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,639
lane of trees, maybe a reforestation ages ago.

927
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 6: But yeah, there's no nothing falling down. No, now, that's

928
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:24,800
definitely a stage a set, right, you know. And and

929
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,199
you know what, I bet you those guys just thought.

930
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:30,559
I bet you they knew. But I bet you they thought, oh,

931
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:34,400
we're gonna we're gonna prank our friends and post pictures that.

932
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,199
Speaker 3: Could be Yeah, I mean that's what. And then their

933
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:37,320
friend just went made a movie.

934
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 6: Hey, my buddies found this, you know, because you know,

935
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:43,280
if you if you would have and it looks like,

936
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,239
you know, a personal spacecraft. You know, it's like a

937
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,639
one person you know, you know airplane, you know, well

938
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:55,239
an extraterrestrial type aircraft. But you know, how would they

939
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,360
not have like tried to break the bubble on top

940
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:00,960
because it's class you know, I don't.

941
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, it's hard to say. I don't know. I

942
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:06,199
would have been trying to drive the thing myself. Let's

943
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:11,440
take it for spin, let's pull there and jump in exactly. Yeah,

944
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:15,000
very very wild though, but you know, and in this case,

945
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:17,599
it may very well have been an inadvertent kind of hopes.

946
00:52:18,639 --> 00:52:22,039
And apparently the show's not as popular as the TV

947
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,719
channel would hope because it went pretty far before it

948
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:30,159
ever got flagged. I mean, this has been around for

949
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,880
well over a week now or two, and this article

950
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:38,440
was written April fifth, so just last week or just

951
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:40,519
the week week and a half ago, I guess. So,

952
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:42,000
I don't know how long this has been around, but

953
00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:45,280
it just came across my desk not too long ago.

954
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,199
I saw it, and I was like, I was, honest

955
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,440
to god, I was pretty unconvinced. I was pretty pretty

956
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,920
indifferent about it because I don't know, you know, to me,

957
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,239
it just looked like it looked like obviously it's a

958
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,960
weird kind of creation, but it didn't have you know,

959
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:05,599
convincing qualities to me, I.

960
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 6: Guess, well, you know, you added a couple of layers

961
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,000
of filters on top.

962
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,679
Speaker 3: Of that, right, and lighting effects and yeah, exactly. I

963
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,039
mean if it was if it had some weird lighting

964
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:17,119
going on, yeah, then maybe it would be more convincing.

965
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 6: You could do something like that and blender.

966
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,559
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, no question about it. There you go,

967
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,519
but that is actually there. But unfortunately it's not real.

968
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:28,960
So you know, that's the problem with the paranormal. With

969
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:33,599
paranormal pursuits is that not only are you against uh,

970
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,719
You're you're pushing against people's paradigms and getting you know,

971
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,559
getting that that piece of evidence that's gonna maybe change

972
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:44,840
some people's minds or at least validate your case. But

973
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,480
you're also competing against all these idiots out there that

974
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:52,239
are you know, either inadvertently creating hoaxes or very intentionally

975
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,760
creating hoaxes just to see how far it'll go. And

976
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,199
that's that's the problem. I mean, So you know, no other,

977
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:02,559
no other pursuit probably has as much going against it

978
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:03,920
as a paranormal enthusiast.

979
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:06,039
Speaker 6: Well, you know, and like I've always said, you know,

980
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:09,400
we are we are and I include myself as the

981
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,000
skeptic side of it, you know, but there's things that

982
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:14,639
I'll wiggle on, you know, here and there. But we

983
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,239
are our own detractors. You know. You've got you people

984
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,639
who you know come out and say this is real,

985
00:54:20,679 --> 00:54:22,880
this is real, and I'm convinced and this is why.

986
00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:24,880
And then you have people that come out and they

987
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,880
do this. You know, we are our won't worst enemies.

988
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,199
You know, the people that hoax things purposefully and then

989
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,840
pass it off as real to make us look even

990
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,679
more nut Casey. No, I don't know.

991
00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 3: We're off at Casey up in here.

992
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 6: It's true.

993
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 3: He's the Portal. It is the portal, ladies and gentlemen,

994
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:48,960
and certainly everything and anything can happen during the portal.

995
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:52,519
But I think that's gonna about wrap it up for tonight.

996
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:56,119
I hope you guys have enjoyed this little journey through

997
00:54:56,199 --> 00:55:00,119
the topic of UFOs. Obviously, the Paranormal Portal is going

998
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:02,119
to be going into a lot more of these in

999
00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:06,320
depth with guests and specific discussions, but we're just kind

1000
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,280
of setting the table right now. We're just kind of

1001
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,840
setting the tone. This is this is our journey, and

1002
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,159
of course we're talking about UFOs. We're going to be

1003
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,599
broadcasting or a releasing podcasts three times a week, and

1004
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:22,159
so I hope you guys are looking for them. Generally,

1005
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:25,719
they'll be released Monday, Wednesday and Fridays, and wherever you

1006
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,400
get your podcasts from, look for the Portal, because hopefully

1007
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:30,360
we'll be there waiting for you.

1008
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 6: Well, we expect to be waiting there for you to

1009
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:34,719
see us.

1010
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what we'll be.

1011
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 6: We'll be we'll be there. Just look for us, look

1012
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:40,840
for us.

1013
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 3: We'll be watching for you. There you go, We'll h

1014
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:44,880
we'll turn on the lights.

1015
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,679
Speaker 6: Just uh lock the door on your way through.

1016
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,199
Speaker 3: Pick up after yourself. No, I'm just kidding. But anyway,

1017
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,280
ladies and gentlemen, that's the episode for tonight. I hope

1018
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,840
you guys have enjoyed it, and thank you so much

1019
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,440
for checking us out. And uh, if you want to

1020
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,280
get in touch with us or you have a paranormal

1021
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,000
experience of your own, please let us know via email

1022
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:04,719
at Paranormal Portal Radio at gmail dot com. You can

1023
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:08,880
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1025
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:16,280
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1026
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,000
can see Don and I doing the magic that it

1027
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:23,840
is that we do in all of our streaming glories

1028
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,760
and all of the problems that come with live broadcasting

1029
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,800
as well as you know, podcasting. So we are gonna

1030
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,800
be here for you. So thank you guys so much,

1031
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,199
and take care, have a wonderful night. Be good, be kind,

1032
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,719
be nice, take care of each other, help each other, out,

1033
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,239
find the magic in every day and remember to laugh

1034
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,719
as much as you can. There you go, all right, guys,

1035
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:47,719
have a great night.

1036
00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:48,639
Speaker 6: And iye hi.

1037
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,400
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