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I'm James Lenox in Minneapolis downtown in a tall, beautiful

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skyscraper for the very last time, and I'm joined by

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Charles C. W. Cook in Florida and Stephen Hayward, who,

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as we know, is a parapatetic soul and might be

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ware at the moment. Don't say californ Yeah, well.

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Speaker 2: I'm at home. I see the ocean. I won't say

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where though, So.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, so once again we span the nation. Gentlemen,

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what is on your minds? Of the more? There's so much.

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We've got the big beautiful bill of course, which people

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are still chewing through. And according to my Twitter feeds

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and the tiktoks that I get, I am under the

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understanding that the debt are going to be heaped like

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cordwood on the street corners because of the cuts that

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are being made in various programs. I could point out

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that maybe I've heard before that every time somebody tries

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to cut something, it's always going to be that people

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are going to die. I think we discussed last week

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or the week before, the incalculable fatality right after net neutrality.

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But is this different? Was this actually a change in

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programs and going forth there might be some difficulty of

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aidable bodied people to get what they had got before.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I think a unifying thread right now,

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a whole bunch of issues. Who someone our rundown some

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not is the exhaustion of the Democrats in the left.

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I mean, look, you mentioned that neutrality, but we also

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heard the same thing about the twenty seventeen Trump tax cuts,

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that people would die from those tax cuts, right and

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the flash flooding in Texas. They want to blame it

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on Doge, but there was also they're trying to run

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the Katrina playbook. Right, you remember Katrina twenty years ago now,

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and you know Bush made some mistakes. They didn't present

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themselves very well, but it wrecked Bush's second term and

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they thought, oh, well, rerun that playbook. So they keep

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trying to rerun these old playbooks. But I think they're

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less and less persuasive. And I'll give you one more

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of several I could do. I've noticed a conspicuous silence

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from Democrats about all the cuts to green energy that

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were in the One Big, Beautiful Bill, And you would

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think they would be saying, we're going to die because

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we're cutting all the green energy because now we're not

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fighting climate change instead. Apparently, the latest figure I saw

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that Politico reported five House Democrats have joined in endorsing

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President Trump's plan to get rid of California's electric car mandate, which,

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of course that's spread across the country. And so that shows,

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as some people have been saying, is that the green

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mania is in retreat at the moment. And so what

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have Democrats got, Well, they've got Mondani running in New York. Boy,

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isn't that.

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Speaker 1: A great story for it? Indeed, I think California is

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shutting down some refineries as well, under the belief that

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perhaps they will be able to power their cars the

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old Flintstone way, and that's the most ecologically safety Charles,

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what have you taken away from the followed from the BB.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's an enormous amount. It's such a big bill.

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I'm not sure it's beautiful, but it's such a big

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bill that it's quite hard for serious people to take

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a unified approach to it. Now that doesn't include those who,

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of course a demogogueing people were discussing. But there's a

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lot in that to alike. And then there's arts in

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there not to like. For example, if you had told

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a physical conservative two or three years ago, not only

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will all of the twenty seventeen tax cuts be renewed,

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but we'll get full expensing, I would have just jumped

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for joy. Some of the rest of it less so,

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but they shouldn't undermine the achievements. The Democrats are in

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a very weird position here because although they are pretending

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that everyone's going to die from medicaid, not even cuts

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slowed growth. And although they are upset that the Inflation

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Reduction Act, which had nothing to do with inflation has

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been partly rescinded. They also agreed that the vast majority

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of the cuts to taxes in the twenty seventeen should remain.

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something I've observed over the last few years. James's conservatives

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often don't give themselves enough credit, especially on taxes. We

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get all of this, or what if you were concerned

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were conservatives were conserved? Well, here is a change. When

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Hillary Clinton ran for president twenty sixteen, she said that

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nobody who made more than less sorry than two hundred

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and fifty thousand dollars a year would see a tax increase.

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that number was four hundred thousand dollars. Now, if you

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go back thirty years, no Democrat would have promised that.

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to say, well, of course Democrats wanted to keep a

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lot of the tax cuts. They said they wanted to

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keep most of the tax cuts. And yet they're again

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pretending every single statement that they put out that this

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was a tax cut for billionaires. So that's all this

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did was cut the taxes of billionaires. So it's very frustrating.

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like this. We really should actually have lots of smaller

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bills and actually debate things and not have physical clefts

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and so on. But my takeaway from this is there

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are of course disagreements of America, and there are disagreements

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over the Inflation Reduction Act, but most of the stuff

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that is in this bill is actually stuff Democrats wanted

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and they got their sole deduction back. So the idea like, oh,

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this is the worst bill I've ever seen, which I've

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seen some Democrats say there's the worst bill in American history.

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It's an astonishing thing to say. The fugitive slave access.

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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 3: It's just another reason why a lot of our politics

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are so silly, because it's nothing of the sort.

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Speaker 1: I agree that I would like to see smaller bills.

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It would be nice to see all of these things

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in individually enumerated, delineated, and then voted up and down

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so we have a clearer view of who's believing what

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and what they say and do. I agree. I also

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don't think there's any way back to that, at least However,

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we have a bill that somebody voted on as opposed

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to continuing resolutions to just roll everything over into the

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blob that just rolls and rolls on. So there's that.

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Stephen mentioned the green energy, but it's curious read a

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tweet the other day that somebody said, after twenty years

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of green energy, you have better lamps and better appliances

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and better home stuff and all this stuff. My electricity

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costs is twice what it was before, which means it

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me entirely accurate. But you get that feeling. I outfitted

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my house with all of the finest and greatest LEDs,

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I have my Energy Star compliance appliances and the like,

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and I haven't seen a reduction whatsoever could possibly be

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because rates go up because of a push to make

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the grid earth friendly, etc. That's losing it. That's that's

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that feels like a dead issue now. It just it

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feels like after the Green New Deal of you know,

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the AOC years, there's no enthusiasm for that anymore. And

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it seems that the Democrats find themselves in a position

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where all of the things that they all the standards

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that they held so high are tattered and the flagpoles

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have have have wilted in the in the hot sun

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of disapproval and indifference. And yeah, Steven said, what do

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they have they got this guy in New York. Is

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that the future then of the party an appeal to

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the people who absolutely want their communism and they want

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it now, fresh and hot.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean we've talked about this before a couple

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of times. At the same time, you have this enthusiasm

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among some of the progressive thinking class, like you know,

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Ezra Kline for the abundance agenda, and a few politicians

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gingerly putting a toe in the water. Even Gavin Newsom

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for half an hour said yeah, I think I'm for this. Meanwhile,

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I just picked up the latest New York Review of

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Books because I read it so you don't have to.

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And there's a long review of several books about the

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whole de growth agenda, and one of them even is

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called de growth communism. I mean, talk about putting it

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all out there in playing view without any euphemisms, right,

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I mean, this is perfect. Right, So you know that

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old religion dies hard, but I think, yeah, the practical

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politicians realize that this has been a vote loser for democrats.

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But the main point the abundance people. They just say

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one thing sensible, which is, can't democrats somewhere pick a

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city and run it well and you know, make the

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schools work, clean up the streets, produce crime? How about that?

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And you would think there'd be least there weren't in

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nineteen nineties a few Democratic mayors like you know, North Quistan, Milwaukee,

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and a couple others who ran their cities in a

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sensible way. And so that might be a place to start.

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But I let me start in New York.

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Speaker 1: Let me start, let me stop you right there. That's

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a great idea. It depends, however, on an electorate that

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is willing to be comfortable with some uncomfortable things. After

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my recent experience as a I don't want to say

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a victim of crime because I hate the sound of that.

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As a non enthusiastic participant in the rearrangement of my

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personal property, let's put it that way. I talked to

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an awful lot of people because I was walking up

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and down on the boulevards of several blocks trying to

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find one of the air pods because the carjacker had

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thrown my aarpods out at three locations, which is just

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really devious, just evil. So I have to go to

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each one and get down on my hands and knees

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and look into the boulevard and the gutter and the

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rest of it. And I would explain to people why

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I was on their lawn looking, And once everybody heard

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what had happened to me, everybody had their own story.

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Now they weren't necessarily carjacking, but it was thievery, it

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was miscreens in the neighborhood, it was bad stuff. Everybody

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had a story, and everybody was equally convinced that nothing

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was going to be done to any of the people

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who had done these things. And as long as they

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keep voting in the same people that they do, and

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I presume that they do because they all want to

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be thought of as good people and somebody who votes

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for those you know, nazis, nothing will change. So I mean,

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it takes a mayor to say that we're going to

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do the broken windows and squeegee guys things, But it

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doesn't seem to be that that's from their side. There, No,

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Eric Adams is actually trying to do like real mayor

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stuff like they used to do to make lives better

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for his constituencies, which is what mayors is supposed to do.

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But I mean, what's in it for them necessarily if

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they are getting rich and their friends are getting rich

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on the graft and everybody else in their party is

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doing okay, what's in it for them to go all

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doge on their own fiefs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good question. By the way, back up a step, James,

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you were carjacked. I mean yeah, at gunpoint nine point.

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Speaker 1: I mean he didn't see a gun. Tail didn't happen

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that it happened too fast. They were in my car

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before I could notice it.

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Speaker 2: More than one person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well they traveled in too is they followed me

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home and then one of them stayed in the car.

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The other jumps out, and I assume there's a gun

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because I mean, you have to have some persuasive means

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to relieve somebody of you know, their of their auto.

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And the gun was not produced while I was hanging

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on the side of the car swinging into the car

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trying to hit the guy. Although it may have been

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you know, half a blockdown, you never know. So no,

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I didn't see one, But Charles helped me out here

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because a lot of people have said, this is why

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you always carry And I'm trying to think of a

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situation in which I could have produced the weapon fast

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enough while moving a lawnmower, you know, had it strapped.

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I don't live my life with the idea that I

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should put on my I should strap on my pistol

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to go get a lawnmower out of my garage in

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the middle of the afternoon. I just don't. But you,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, although I do think I would be careful in

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Minnesota in the situation that you were in, if my

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right because you don't want to end up being prosecuted.

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Speaker 1: No, that's what you worry about. I mean the cerea

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is basically this, I see him coming towards me, I

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can produce my pistol. If he then makes a motion

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to indicate that he's about to pull one out himself,

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put a hole in him. But if he takes my

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car and runs away, I can't shoot him. So yeah,

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I mean all these little calculations that go through your head. Unfortunate,

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but yes, I know, go on.

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to make a comment about de growth communism.

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So when I was at Oxford, I saw a debate

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at the Oxford Union. I can't remember the topic of it,

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but there was this absolutely hilarious moment where the guy

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on the other side from my friend made some concession,

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rhetorical concession. My friends did up and he said he said, no, no,

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in mock helpfulness, he said, no, no, you don't understand.

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He said, you just said what I am here to

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get you to say. You don't say that. You say

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anything you can to avoid saying what you just said,

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which loses you the debate. And I spent my time

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trying to get you to say what you just said,

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but you came out and said it at the beginning.

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It was just hilarious and it was just a brilliant

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rhetorical trick. When someone says I'm for de growth communism,

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that reminds me of that. No, no, you don't say that.

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We we say that, that's our criticism of you being

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a communist, that it's you don't say that at the outset.

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Where's the fun in that it's a fit like the

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Monty Python haggled properly from Life for Brian.

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Speaker 1: Uh well, they say, they say, because they believe it to,

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not that it's it sounds good to people. Those are

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those are absolutely attributes of which they witched trumpet.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Steve, well here I've actually got the I've

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looked up the actual titles. Charlie, it's even better. It's

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even better than you thought. The title of one of

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the books is Marx in the Anthrops Scene towards the

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Idea of de growth Communism. Now, is this book published

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by Island Press or some little obscure Greenee publishing house. No,

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it's published by Cambridge University Press. By the way, a

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mayor one hundred and ten dollars for the hardback. That'll

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generate a few communists. It's amazing. You can't make this up.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you're inculcated to believe that that

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capitalism and is the roots of is the most evil

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system ever combined, ever created on the planet, then yes,

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of course you would want all manifestations of it to

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be removed. There was a little video floating around on

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Twitter a couple of days ago of a University of

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Minnesota professor who's talking about the need to decolonize and

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dismantle America. And they say this as though America is

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some so of is this object that once removed, nothing

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but goodness will happen, That the systems that immediately and

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effortlessly flow into place will empower all, will cause abundance,

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will make everybody absolutely just jack Dandy happy. When what

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they're talking about, if it comes about, is a state

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of nature. And it's remarkable. It's the sort of thing

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you know that you only hear. It's so stupid you

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could only hear it from an academic according to the man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the classic human nature problem. We see

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this a little bit on the right at the moment.

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There are some people who believe that the entire modern

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world is corrupt and that when you really wanted to

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live with, say the Roman Empire or the Aztecs or something.

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And most funny about them is that in that Twitter

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avatars or that general esthetic preferences, they have pictures of

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statues of Caesar because they think they would have been Caesar,

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when actually they wouldn't. And it's the same with these

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common sides. They all think that if there was some

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revolution and then we entered into communism, they'd be the artist, right,

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They wouldn't be the guy who cleaned the latrines. They

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would get the plumb allocation. They would get to a

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bunch of paints, and they would get a ceiling to

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spend their days using them on. And this is of

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course absolute nonsense, and the ceiling would collapse on them,

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hopefully quickly before they knew it. But they don't think that.

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They think that they would. They would be given all

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of the best choices.

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Speaker 1: Well, but not necessarily so, because I followed the same accounts,

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or they pop in my stuff too, and they all

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want to return, and the U in return is always

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spelled like A like a Latin V. And while they

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sometimes will say, you know, yes, I realized the class distinctions,

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being I probably wouldn't be a senator. But on the

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other hand, there was a simplicity to life. There was

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a sturdiness, there was an honorable quality to it. A

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man knew his place, and uh, well, if you look

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at some of these studies, peasants worked actually less than

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people do in America today. I know, I know, you

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see this all the time, and it's nonsense on its face.

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But conversely, I think there are things to learn from

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the past. There are some details motors operendez, motors vivendi

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that that that bear consideration, and perhaps modernizing, integration and

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the rest of it. I like studying the past, but

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a clear eyed view of it means that you're probably

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going to die at twenty six of an abscess tooth.

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So while while yes, having these sorts of cultural solidity

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and national identification in the so that's that's that's good,

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and we can learn. But yeah, you're you're going to

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be in the fields ten hours a day, and you're

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not going to own the land, and you're going to

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be strung up for a tree if you shoot a

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deer that belongs to the to the local laird. So

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you're right, Charles. It is ridiculous. It certainly is. But

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at least it's not as ridiculous as the Tartarians who

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an advanced civilization at the turn of the century, and

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we've been lied to ever since. Well, that went there,

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the X is gnashing and whaling of teeth over the

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Epstein file not existing. I think the most interesting piece

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I read by this was Ace over an Ace of spades,

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who said, you know, I don't think there was a file.

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I don't think he kept a file. And he makes

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the point that rather than being part of some ingenious

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masade directed black male compromont operation, he was just a

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guy who called in favors all the time to make

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himself rich, brought people to the island, got some backgrounds

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from some cute girls. Everybody knew what had happened. And

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when Epstein calls you on the phone and asks for

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a stock tip, you remember the fact that you were

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at his island and you want to be buds, and

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sure you tell them a little of this, a little

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of that. That seems more enlightened with human nature than

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some vast, you know, tentacular careful blackmail operation. But then again,

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I'm just influenced by the last thing that I read.

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So there's that. What do you guys think?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think I went on record here a month

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ago saying I didn't think there was ever a list,

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or if there had been some kind of list constructed,

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say by investigators, it was long ago destroyed because you

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don't want to have a list like that hanging around.

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But let's remember that there were also rumors a few

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years ago or claims that there were videotapes they found

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videotapes of Epstein's island, and you know when that all

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comes out, well that I haven't heard another word about that,

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because I think that didn't exist either. Look, I mean

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assume the worst speculations that he was running a blackmail

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operation or some kind of genteel shakedown. You know, he's

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not going to keep a list. He would have long

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ago cleaned up and made it all go away. He

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was a pretty smart guy. Pretty twisted guy, but obviously

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a pretty smart guy. I still wonder who's the guy

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was Wexler. Wexner, one of those guys who paid Epstein,

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has claimed something like one hundred and fifty million dollars

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for tax advice. That doesn't seem right. Even the most

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expensive law firm doesn't charge that much by the hour,

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So it had to be something else, And you know,

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I've never heard that explain in a detail. It had

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to be some kind of partnership of some some crazy

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equity thing. It can't have been tax advice. So this

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whole thing has been built on rumors and crazy stuff

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from the very beginning. I'm afraid.

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Speaker 3: I never believed in the list either. I also think

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that the racy theories don't make much sense. So we

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have a president Donald Trump, who has I think it's

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fair to say, been victimized by the intelligence services. At

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least they haven't been nice to him. We have an

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FBI director, Cash Patel, who dislikes the intelligence services. He

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dislikes the organization he runs. He thinks it's been a

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malign force in American history. I agree with him on that.

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And we have Dan Bongino, who is very much in

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touch with the base, especially the sort of people who

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think that there's a list or that this has been

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covered up under the Biden administration. And those people are

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all saying, actually, there is nothing here now. The only

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reason that I can think of, rationally that they would

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lie about that, because I think announcing it would be

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pretty good for them. I think they'd enjoy doing that

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is if Donald Trump were in some way implicated. But

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that's got to be absolute nonsense too, because first off,

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Joe Biden would have said something. Biden went after him

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in any way he possibly could. They tried to prosecute him,

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as did the state of New York, which has an

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access to Jeffrey Epstein. And even if Biden hadn't done that,

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for some reason, a person in the federal government would have.

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There would have been a leak or a whistleblower or

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a guy who came forward. Of course there would that

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person would have had he had the goods made fifty

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million dollars from a book deal. So you've got the

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people who already profoundly dislike the intelligence services on the

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right side of the aisle are saying there's nothing there,

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And then you have the only reason that they wouldn't

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want to do that being absolutely ridiculous. The most investigated

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man in the world is Donald Trump. Doesn't it make

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more sense just to say Jeffrey Epstein was clearly an

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evil man who did evil things, but he didn't write

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it all down.

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Speaker 1: It strikes me as utterly reasonable. I'm still trying to

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get past the fact, and I've never been able to

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eye bleach this out of my brain, and that Epstein

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had a big oil painting of Bill Clinton in a

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blue dress and red heels. Yeah, the audacity of the

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audacity of that, and the fact that Clinton probably saw

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it and yucked and said that's a good one. I mean,

473
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everybody would see it when they walked into his place

474
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,920
just sort of tells you the type of individual character

475
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that we're that we're talking about here.

476
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Speaker 2: But yeah, who needs who needs a list when you

477
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,720
could have made that painting public Clinton?

478
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Speaker 1: So I don't believe that that the the island had

479
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,720
that little temple, there had secret elevators that went down

480
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,240
to operating rooms where they removed the adrena chrome or

481
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,559
whatever that is from the brains of infants. That that

482
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:59,680
that whole common pizza ping punk pizza thing, the madness

483
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,200
of that, whatever happened, by the way to Q has

484
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,680
has the storm finally blown itself out? Because you don't

485
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,640
hear an awful lot of people talking about Q anymore.

486
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,200
And I'm wondering what has replaced it in the space

487
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,359
of in the mind space of those people who fervently

488
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,480
believed that the revelations were about to drop.

489
00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 2: I have no idea I've wondered that too, and I've

490
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,119
got no clue what may have replaced it.

491
00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: I don't think they need it anymore. To be frank, well,

492
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,119
elsewhere in the news this last week. I mean, it's

493
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,839
the fourth of July and normal, but stuff did happen.

494
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:36,200
We had, you know, I have a feed that I

495
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,559
have a news feed that was that was. Oh no,

496
00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:43,160
I'm sorry. I don't want to talk about Shawn Combs,

497
00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:46,079
John Puffy Combs. I want to talk about Sean Duffy shoes.

498
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,720
Apparently there's a new now. I always said that when

499
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you take off your shoes at the airport to go

500
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,960
through the security line, that there should be a statue

501
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,680
of the shoe bomber at the end of the line

502
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,799
that you can throw your footwear at, just just to

503
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,359
get your anger out of that. That bastard for doing

504
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,359
what he did, that made everybody take off their shoes

505
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,759
for twenty years. But now apparently we don't. We don't.

506
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:13,559
Do you know why? And do you think that these

507
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:16,880
guys are going to be less safe now that their

508
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,640
shoes will not be examined by X Ray's.

509
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think we ever needed to do it

510
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,039
in the first place. Supposedly the new scanners and technology

511
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:28,920
can pick up a doctored shoe. I don't know. I

512
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,240
don't think the Europeans. Charlie helped me out on this.

513
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,039
I don't think the Europeans ever went in for the

514
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shoe removal business.

515
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Speaker 3: Well, the British did, but they abolished it last year.

516
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: Last Okay, yeah, anyway, I mean I was joking for

517
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:46,920
the last twenty years, and I'd vote for the first

518
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presidential candidate who said we could keep our shoes on

519
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:51,960
at the airport. And then, of course I got signed

520
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:54,079
up for pre check several years ago, so I've been

521
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:57,079
able to skip the getting the laptop out and the

522
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,839
and taking my shoes off. I did like the last comment.

523
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,400
The Babylon Pee had one of their classic headlines saying,

524
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,799
you now can keep your shoes on before TSA gropes you.

525
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: Well, I was wondering, Steve, how if I don't have

526
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,000
to watch other people take their shoes off, I'm going

527
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:16,160
to feel better than the other passengers who don't have

528
00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:19,160
TSA pre I'm going to need a new form of

529
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,079
separate now, I'm kidding. I never thought this would happen.

530
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,480
I never thought it would happen, not because it ever

531
00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:29,000
made any sense that we did this, but because the

532
00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:34,920
incentives in a democratic system all line up against repealing

533
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:39,119
bad ideas like this, because if in the tiny chance

534
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:43,559
that somebody was wearing shoes when they blow it blow

535
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:51,480
up a plane, the president or agency that rescinded that

536
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,240
order would be blended. If you look. For example, we

537
00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:58,759
haven't touched on it, but at these horrendous floods in Texas,

538
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:01,559
they are quite clearly nothing to do with the fact

539
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:03,960
that Donald Trump is president, the Greg Abbott is governor

540
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,880
of Texas. The doge existed, but that is the line.

541
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:11,359
So I always assumed, well, presidents are smart enough to

542
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,480
know that, and although this is theater, they don't want

543
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:18,920
to be the guy whose decisional tenure happened to intersect

544
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:24,640
with a terrorist attack. And I'm so so happy that

545
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,680
I'm wrong. It never occurred to me.

546
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,119
Speaker 1: No, we did it because the encroachment on freedom only

547
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,480
goes one way. We think. Our shower heads will never

548
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:37,119
be more powerful, our dishwashers will never wash like they

549
00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:40,200
did before, our toilets will not flush with a robust

550
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,079
capacity that they did twenty five years ago. We will

551
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:45,359
never be able to not wear a shit. But you know,

552
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,119
I feel like now if I went into a coma

553
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,160
and woke up in twenty years and went to the airport,

554
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,599
I started taking off my belt and my shoes, people

555
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:53,359
would be appauled. What are you doing? What are you doing?

556
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:55,880
Just it's TSA, isn't no? You just walk over to

557
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,559
the plane here, have a cigarette. I mean they was

558
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:02,119
reverting back to Nay teen sixty seven when I last

559
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,680
was overseas in London and in the Roman airports. I'm

560
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,440
pleased to note that the scanning detection that they have

561
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,200
is remarkable. They make these three D models, these image,

562
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:13,839
these three D models that they can then examine from

563
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,279
every angle blow up go into. I should have said

564
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:20,799
blow up and it's it's remarkable. But I always hate

565
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,200
it because I'm always the guy whose bag goes on

566
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,599
the dreaded second to shoot because and I'm glad that

567
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,720
they are, because I my bag looks dangerous. My bag

568
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:34,279
looks like I am a maniac. I should be in

569
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:37,400
a black hair shirt with bag with bushy hair holding

570
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,279
a you know, a boris bad enough bomb in my

571
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:42,440
hand because there's so many wires and batteries and they

572
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,279
have you know, they're just paging. Why do you need

573
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:48,039
so many cords? Well, I'm traveling with my wife and daughter.

574
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:51,400
Each of them has their own dedicated uh accessory battery

575
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,240
cord that we that I that I provide for them

576
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,599
so they're you can see their color coded here and well,

577
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,559
these large batteries are for on the on the train.

578
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,119
Smaller ones are for an ex. I mean, you know,

579
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,640
explain everything to them. But I'm glad. And it's also this.

580
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,480
They also see your face and they got always all

581
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:11,279
kinds of ways to see your face as you're in

582
00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:14,480
line and walking up the minute you walk into the airport, uh,

583
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:16,200
and they know your face and they know who you are.

584
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,759
And I would love to know which face of mine

585
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:23,200
they have. I'd love to know where it is. But

586
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:25,880
I walk into a Roman airport and the Roman airport

587
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:31,559
says oh James Loleax Minneapolis, Minnesota, Rivederla. So yeah, that's

588
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:33,400
why we can, that's why we can keep our shoes on.

589
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,279
Speaker 3: This would never happen to their return people who would

590
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:39,160
be the ones making that determination.

591
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: Right, No, No, it wouldn't. But of course since everybody

592
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:44,799
lived probably about you know, spent their entire life five

593
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,039
miles from their birth. They wouldn't have to worry about

594
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:49,839
security checks when they go to some other places you

595
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,640
mentioned the floods. The floods they tried to blame on

596
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,680
cuts to the NWS, They tried to blame on abbot,

597
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,359
they tried to blame on understaffing. In other words, the

598
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,119
whole idea that the government, if not funded at current

599
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,319
levels and then more so, results in imminent death. And

600
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:06,960
also what they love about these is the fact that

601
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,279
it's weather and having the sort of paganistic fear of

602
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,720
Guaya that they do. They believe that this is caused

603
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,160
by somebody starting up in suv in nineteen eighty seven

604
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:19,759
and contributing the fatal amount of carbon dioxide that her

605
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:22,480
monoxide or dioxe, whatever, the greenhouse gas that's going to

606
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:25,079
kill us all. But as we were saying before, these

607
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:28,200
claims are falling on deaf ears. Everybody's been hearing them

608
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,960
for twenty years, and the earth is okay. But yet

609
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,480
we're still supposed to believe that these ones once in

610
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:38,000
a one hundred year life events are magnifying and increasing

611
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,200
and getting more deadly. But none of that is sticking.

612
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,880
All this stuff is like putting a post it note

613
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,640
on a sweating man just it just isn't working. And

614
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,240
the ghouls who would populate social media right away and

615
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:57,799
gleefully blame this one. The editorial cartoonist of legitimate newspapers

616
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:01,440
blame it on the people who deny climate change or

617
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,759
the people who voted for immigration reform, and the rest

618
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:08,360
of it is off putting extreme to the normies, as

619
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they say, right.

620
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think people are suffering from apocalypse fatigue

621
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:15,480
at this point. And this is li isn't brand new.

622
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I mean I filed away. I think way back around

623
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,920
two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, when an

624
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,000
unexpected person it was Nick Christoff, the liberal minded columnists

625
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,079
of New York Times wrote an article saying, gosh, I

626
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wonder for being too apocalyptic with this environmental business, because

627
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my perception is environmental alarms are now like car alarms,

628
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something blaring in the background that we're starting to tune

629
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,159
out and ignore. Well, I think now we actually have

630
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,599
the op polling data in on this is it's now

631
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,280
the fact that you actually had the Democratic analyst David

632
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,440
Shore a year ago telling Democrats from his very careful

633
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,800
survey work shut up about electric cars. My findings say

634
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,440
that talking about electric cars loses votes for Democrats, and

635
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:00,960
lo and beholders starting to not talking about electric cars

636
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as much, so it's become a stone cold loser for

637
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them and it's about darn time.

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pretty much set the world at rights here going down

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the list of things about which the concern is mounting,

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what is something that you have been watching that you

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don't think that enough people are paying attention to? But

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as consequential nevertheless, Well, James.

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Speaker 2: I was expecting you to bring up the new Superman movie, which, uh,

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well I almost did. Well, well, now I'll make you

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because it sounds like it's going to be a bomb

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at the box office. We'll see about that. But you

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know they've changed it from truth justice in the American

708
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:50,360
way to truth justice and the human way.

709
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: Uh huh?

710
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 2: And what the director is? A James Gun or somebody

711
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,119
Gun says, well, you know Superman was an immigrant. It's

712
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:00,880
an immigrant story and like wait a minut, no, he

713
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:04,880
was well from another planet, right, he was raised in America.

714
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,719
To try and politicize this movie in even such a

715
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,320
hamheaded way, seems like a real blunder. And so I

716
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,599
noticed this morning that this White House that should never

717
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,960
have blundered this way, this White House, not the White House,

718
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,280
should have blundered, but Hollywood shouldn't have blundered. They put

719
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,239
out an AI drawing Trump in a Superman suit. I

720
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,079
stand for truth, Justice and the American Way. It's an

721
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,440
epic troll on all this. And so I'm gonna watch.

722
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,119
I'm gonna watch the box office and see what the

723
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:34,400
word of mouth is on the movie. It's getting mixed

724
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,199
reviews so far.

725
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: I'm curious. James Gunn was loved by some for the quirky,

726
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,440
quippy tone that he brought to Guardians of the Galaxy.

727
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:43,480
And I love the first Guardian. It had a great

728
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:45,519
charm to it. Walking through listening to you know, hooga

729
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,440
Shaka at the beginning, he thought, oh, this is new.

730
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,559
But unfortunately quippiness is one of those things that infected

731
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,480
all the Marvel movies, which gave made them a sort

732
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:56,239
of weightless. People don't say these things after they've just

733
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,000
saved the world. And then of course it was swamped

734
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,719
by also darkness and complexity in the rest of it,

735
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,360
and Marvel movies became almost unwatchable. They seemed like homework,

736
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:08,360
and I fell away from them. I've never been a

737
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,400
Superman guy, because what's the interest there. He's Superman, He's vulnerable,

738
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,400
he can't you know, Oh yeah, Krypton brings him down.

739
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:18,400
I thought as a kid that the Superman books were stupid,

740
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,639
because in every other one of them it was what

741
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,239
if Superman actually had a peg leg and it would

742
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,880
be one of those stories, or Lois Lane and Lana

743
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,800
Lang would be catfighting in the right. Well, that actually

744
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,239
was a pretty good episode, but there's nothing about him

745
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,679
interested in me. The only thing, however, that you maybe

746
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:37,840
can take away from the sixty Superman's was that they

747
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,199
did do PSAs and which Superman would tell a bunch

748
00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:43,559
of kids not to be prejudice that everybody's an American here.

749
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:46,320
We're all born in America, roll citizens. Your national origin

750
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,960
doesn't count. And you could say that was him being

751
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,559
woke back then, but no, that was the usual good

752
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,280
citizenship stuff that they used to do all the time.

753
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:56,559
What Gun has done with the statements that he's made,

754
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:58,920
is indicated that he doesn't realize the nature of the

755
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:04,119
complaints about illegal immigration. Nobody's talking is it is not

756
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:09,400
anti American to be against anti illegal immigration. We love

757
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:15,320
our immigrants, right, Charles, You should do. We do, and

758
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,320
we would be less without them. But there's a process,

759
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,119
there's legality, there's a number of people. There's the question

760
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:24,840
of dumping fifteen thousand people into a community of fifty

761
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,800
thousand without thinking that the culture was going to go

762
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,559
under stresses and the rest of it. It's this complex argument,

763
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:30,760
and if you want to reduce it down to your

764
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,320
stupid comic book terms, then you're an idiot. And I'll

765
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,199
presume you're an idiot, and I'll watch the movie with

766
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,760
that in mind. That said, everything I've read about it

767
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,719
makes this thing sound weightless and jokey and quippy. And

768
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,719
let's redo it and rethink it. And while there's room

769
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,599
for that, and a competent director and a they could

770
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:53,039
do it. I trust Kyle Smith when he says, right,

771
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:54,360
I don't think that. I don't think they did it.

772
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,679
Speaker 2: Let me give you one little footnote to it, James,

773
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,639
that will amuse you. The New York Times has a

774
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:03,519
story out today. The headline is Superman's other secret weakness

775
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:08,400
journalism ethics. Subhead writing the Daily Planet about his heroic

776
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,320
alter ego raises thorny issues for Clark Kent. Lois Lane

777
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,400
has her conflicts too. Now, I mean, I haven't read Peace.

778
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,719
I'm not going to. I've got to think that maybe

779
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,599
this is a lame of tempet satire. But I'll bet not.

780
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,679
I'll bet this is somebody that really thinks that there's

781
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:24,719
something wrong with this depiction of Clark Kent.

782
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: I hear me, hope there is way do they learn

783
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,239
about a guy named Peter Parker who would set up

784
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,039
his camera to take pictures of this spider man fellow.

785
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,920
There's another questionable set of ethics for you. I just

786
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,039
like the idea. I mean, I'm keen to see if

787
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:40,760
this movie takes place in an actual newsroom, because if

788
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,920
it's supposed to be a newsroom of twenty twenty four

789
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:45,239
and there's more than five people in the office, I'd

790
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,079
be surprised if it's one of those places full of

791
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:50,880
clattering keys and people shouting copyboy and wreaths of cigar smoke.

792
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,679
You know, that's nineteen forty seven Daily Planet. That isn't

793
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,920
that isn't here. And even though we have a globe

794
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,840
in our lobby that looks like something you would have

795
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,440
in a classic newspaper. The whole idea of the paper

796
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,920
as it was in the Daily Bugle is gone. Charles.

797
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,920
Were you a comic book reader growing up? Did you

798
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,519
have any favorites of your own?

799
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:18,079
Speaker 3: I wasn't and I'm still not, and mostly I'm disinterested

800
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:22,480
in comic book movies, although I thought the Christopher Nolan

801
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:26,800
Batman trilogy was spectacular, and I liked the Iron Man

802
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,599
movie with Robert Danney Jr.

803
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,039
Speaker 1: The first one I did.

804
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the quippiness, oh and you mentioned got

805
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:38,639
into the guy because that was good to the quippiness

806
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:40,480
does bother me. Though. I saw someone on Twitter the

807
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:44,920
other day showing the scene in Jurassic Park where the

808
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:49,840
two paleontologists first see the dinosaur, and they said, you

809
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,840
know that movie had been made now by someone other

810
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,159
than Spielberg, they would have made a quip to show

811
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:57,400
how cool they were, rather than been overalled. And I

812
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,280
thought that that was a fair point. My problem with

813
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,840
the Superman movie, aside from things the director have said

814
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,639
which have irritated me too, for all the reasons you outlined,

815
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,199
it's just that I just don't think it looks very

816
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:13,320
good and okay, I'm obviously not the target audience because

817
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,679
I'm not a big superhero movie so stipulated, but I

818
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,039
really actually wanted to be excited to go and see

819
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:23,039
this because I have two boys, right seven and nine,

820
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:27,440
and I thought, well, when I was ten, I loved

821
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,039
the Superman series with Terry Hatcher and Dean Kane, and

822
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,039
I thought, well, they would probably love to go to

823
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:36,960
the movie theater, which they love going to the movie theater,

824
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,599
and to see the Superman movie. And I've watched the trailer,

825
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:42,920
and I tried so hard with the first couple of

826
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,239
trailers that I sought to get excited about going to

827
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,400
see it, and I just don't think it looks right now.

828
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,400
Maybe it's amazing, but everyone who has seen whose opinion

829
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,119
I respect, says it's not so. Between that and the

830
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:57,079
trailers that didn't excite me at all and the director

831
00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:00,440
being annoying, I think I'm going to skip it right.

832
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 1: The whole business about going from truth justice in the

833
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,480
American way to the Human way fails on two levels. One,

834
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:11,800
the human way is actually not that good. It is

835
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,400
not something that we if I had a choice to be.

836
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,800
Here's a society full of humans and here's a society

837
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,360
full of Americans. I'm going to go with the one

838
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,599
that's got the concepts of law and order in individuality

839
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:23,320
and personal responsibility as opposed to the ones that are

840
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:29,280
that are basically blood maddened, you know, resource expropriating feral humans.

841
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,960
I mean, the human way, unmediated by law and by

842
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,159
tradition and culture is bad. And America is a law,

843
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,760
tradition and culture. So he's stupid in that way again

844
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,000
to think that there is something human that is on

845
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:46,199
a plane above evil of Americanism. But also Superman has

846
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,800
done this before. I think you were in one. He

847
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:52,840
renounced his citizenship and became a United Nations ambassador or

848
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,239
something like that. I mean, they love to do this,

849
00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:57,559
and they love to point out exactly that. You know,

850
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,119
he's got roots as an immigrant. He's a reflection of

851
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,599
the Jewish immigrant experience and all that stuff. And hey,

852
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:04,280
you know, Clark Kent didn't have his papers when he

853
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,840
landed in Smallville. And these are all tedious, small, little,

854
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,360
anal retentive details that forget the basics of the story

855
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,679
that he landed here a blank slate and his and

856
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,239
by being raised by two loving people in the middle

857
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,039
of the Midwest. He grew up to embody these characteristics,

858
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,519
and that says something about the culture that we'd like

859
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:29,039
to think. And even if we don't think it's true

860
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:31,159
all the time, it's something that we should strive to

861
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:36,119
incorporate into our national mythology. No harm in that. But basically,

862
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:38,119
we're talking about a guy who you know, bullets bounced

863
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:39,719
off his chest and he's got laser beams out of

864
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,960
his eyes. So let's not take all that too seriously. Yeah,

865
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:45,880
we will see. I'm disappointed. But again here and here's

866
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,239
the other thing, though, when are we going to get

867
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,119
past this idea that well, what I'm going to do,

868
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,000
and it's very brave, it's very edgy, is I'm going

869
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:58,119
to subvert the audience's expectations about this long standing cultural institution.

870
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,519
How long have we been doing this?

871
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:04,079
Speaker 3: You know what? What movie didn't do it? Top gun Maverick?

872
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:10,199
Right to start with some exposition about how planes actually suck?

873
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: Right, you know what sucks?

874
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 3: Planes? Planes suck and pilots pilots suck too, And who

875
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,079
cares whether America wins all the nameless enemy? Iran uh?

876
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,039
And do that?

877
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: No?

878
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 3: And for this f one movie that people seem to

879
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,840
like as well, does not seem to subvert the expectations

880
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,119
that cars that go very fast are cool.

881
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: Well. I wrote about the F one movie in my

882
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,880
blog the other day because I ran across a piece

883
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:43,039
that said, we need to talk about female representation in

884
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:47,679
F one. Oh, And I thought, no, no, no, no, no.

885
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,000
We don't know. If anybody says we need to talk

886
00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:52,039
about this, you look at your watch and you say,

887
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,360
I gotta I got a red canal, I gotta go

888
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,440
to We don't need to because, first of all, you know,

889
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:58,599
it's not going to be a talk, it's going to

890
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:01,199
be a lecture. But the problem is is that the

891
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,119
F one audience is getting more and more female, and

892
00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:05,920
there wasn't enough representation in the movie. So that's a problem.

893
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,519
But you know, movies that are straight ahead and appeal

894
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:14,599
to that old style American movie going, people adore them.

895
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:17,599
People respond to them with huge waves of gratitude. And

896
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:19,840
I have to tell you, as good as I know

897
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,719
that they are, I have a real problem with Mission

898
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,320
Impossible movies because of something they did in the very

899
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,159
first one. They may spoiler alert for a movie it's

900
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:33,039
been off for twenty years. They made Jim Phelps into

901
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:37,239
a trader. And I remember sitting there and thinking, I mean,

902
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,360
I hate to say childhood ruined and the rest of it,

903
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,880
but I grew up admiring the hell out of Jim Phelps,

904
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,000
and to do this to that character, just just for

905
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:48,880
a twist, Oh, he was evil all along. Look at

906
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,400
that Captain America's actually hydra. I hate this stuff. It's

907
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,679
the most boring, predictable trope you can get these days.

908
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I recall reading that it was

909
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,400
a greg and I think maybe Peter Graves was still

910
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,400
alive and hated the movie and walked out of it

911
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:06,960
and wouldn't have anything to do with it. And I

912
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,239
quite agree with you about I.

913
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:10,559
Speaker 1: Think for that reason. I think for that reason, and

914
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:14,320
if Martin landa who had been alive, and Barbara Bain,

915
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,800
that's right, Martin Lando and Barbara Bin I think. And

916
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,079
then of course Spock joined the show a little bit later, right, yes, right,

917
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:25,039
I just I absolutely loved that show very much.

918
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 2: But now the other thing, James that I think here

919
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,960
I want to prompt Charlie that happened this week is

920
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:32,800
I thought we were all done with the Supreme Court

921
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,000
for the summer right, Oh, you know, the term ended. Instead,

922
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:40,639
we have all this new commotion happening, including the Supreme

923
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:43,480
Court say no, we really meant it about district courts

924
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:49,559
doing universal injunctions. And there was the amazing spectacle I

925
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:54,199
never would have predicted of Sonya Sotomayor hectoring Katanji Brown

926
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,639
Jackson to say, you don't really know what the law is,

927
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,679
do you? And over to you, Charlie, because you wrote

928
00:49:58,719 --> 00:49:59,639
wonderfully about this.

929
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 3: Well, it was you don't really know what the law is,

930
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,480
do you? But also I think the broader message was

931
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:10,039
you don't really know what your job, yes is do you?

932
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,960
I wrote about this because we love the rule of

933
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:17,920
three in journalism. If you have three examples of something,

934
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,559
your golden ah, that's the column. And we have three

935
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:27,119
examples now. The first was I'm going in reverse water.

936
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,000
Katandi Brown Jackson herself in an ABC interview, saying that

937
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:34,000
she loves being on the Supreme Court because it gives

938
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:38,320
her the opportunity to share in her opinions what she

939
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,840
thinks about the issues. She also said she likes to

940
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,960
share her feelings, and she said that she likes to

941
00:50:48,039 --> 00:50:53,159
talk about how the country should work and this bothered

942
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me because judges are not supposed to talk about how

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the country should work. Citizens are supposed to talk about

944
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how the country should work. Congress yes and state legislatures.

945
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I was supposed to talk about how the country should

946
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work within his limited realm. The president's supposed to talk

947
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about how the country should work. But judges are not.

948
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Judges are supposed to talk about how the country does

949
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work and what the law is, not what it should be,

950
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and there's certainly not supposed to share their feelings. And

951
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it struck me that I'm not the only one who

952
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thinks this. Clearly, Sonya sort of my all thinks this,

953
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of all people to be chastised by, imagine being chastised

954
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for not being good enough at your job by Sonya's

955
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sort of my own who told Justice Jackson a few

956
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days ago that sure, she also agrees that the president

957
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must follow the law, but that they hadn't actually got

958
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to that case yet, and the questions that were raised

959
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in Jackson's descent hadn't actually been raised by the side

960
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of the dispute, and that she should jump the gun.

961
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And before that we had Amy Cony Barrett, who was

962
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careful and judicious as a writer and as a justice

963
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New King Jackson frankly for her descent, pointing out that

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it was not connected to the Constitution or any statute,

965
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or any doctrine or any canon of construction, and that

966
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it was odd to hear a Supreme Court justice complaining

967
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about legal ease, which is an actual talent that Jackson used.

968
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And it was odd to hear a Supreme Court justice

969
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complaining that both the majority opinion and the principal descent

970
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were obsessed with that complicated and boring legal question, which

971
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is again the nature of the job. And I just thought,

972
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and I wrote this in the piece you refer to.

973
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I just thought that having listened to Jackson talk about

974
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her role, she'd be much better. Are off starting a substag.

975
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right, because we're about another term

976
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away from her releasing a descent that consists of the

977
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dog in a fiery room saying this is fine, alas, alas,

978
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and a lack. Hey, listen, folks, it's a short week

979
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this week for us, because, frankly, you got other things

980
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to do, and we thank you for listening to us.

981
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I would also like to insert several lines of boilerplate

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got to thank Quality of Sennultic for sponsoring the Ricochet podcast,

984
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and thank of course Cozy Earth as well as qua

985
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986
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987
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and give us those reviews anyway you can. We love them,

988
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providing you say something helpful and constructive. That is, I mean,

989
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don't be that person. And if you haven't after seven

990
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hundred and sixty eight episodes gone to Ricochet and signed

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up yet, I don't know what we can possibly do

992
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except do another one next week that will make you say,

993
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that's the one. I'm going to give them my money now.

994
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Mind you, you can listen and you can read for

995
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free at Ricochet, but we always like to keep something

996
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special in reserve for the paying customers, and that is

997
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the member feed, where we discuss all manner of things.

998
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It's old radio, it's sports, it's movies, it's people coming

999
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out and writing essays about how they're quitting today in

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their life and journalism. I don't know who wrote that one,

1001
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all kinds of stuff. It's the community you've been looking

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for in the Internet since they plugged the thing in.

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So go there, sign up just a few shekels a

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month and you'll be happy. I am happy that the

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expanse of January July January July still stretches ahead. I've

1006
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got another hour and a half in the building where

1007
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I've worked for these many years, and just a couple

1008
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of hours left in a in a job I've been

1009
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,559
at for twenty seven years, and I'm retiring today. Well,

1010
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:51,039
not retiring. That implies that I'm sort of hanging it up,

1011
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,840
and I'm not. As a matter of fact. You can

1012
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find me at lilax dot com and James Lilacott substack

1013
00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:57,679
dot com, as you can find Charles C. W. Cook

1014
00:54:57,679 --> 00:54:59,480
at the National Review and Stephen where can people pick

1015
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:01,239
up the latest thing that you've written?

1016
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Speaker 2: I have a substack these days I call political Questions.

1017
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But if you do Steve Hayward at substack, it pops up.

1018
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Speaker 1: There you go. So there's your reading for the weekend. Folks.

1019
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Don't forget to hop on that cozy earth sail and

1020
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we'll see you at Ricochet, and we'll see you in

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the comments at Ricochet for point zero. Bye bye, guys,