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Mike White 30 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:11.400 joined me once again as mister Jonathan Owen. 31 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:13.240 Hello, good to be here. 32 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:16.199 Also back in the booth is mister Alistair Pitts. 33 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:19.680 Hello, Mike Cola Loka is the law. 34 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:24.560 Checktember continues with a look at Older Schlipsky's Lemonade Joe, 35 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:27.960 based on the novel and play by Yuri Brendecca. The 36 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:32.120 film stars Carol Fiala as the titular Lemonade Joe, a 37 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:37.840 seller of coola. Meanwhile, Milosh plays the dreaded Horack Batman 38 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:42.919 aka Ho Golfogo. It's a tongue twisting check musical presented 39 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.599 and stunningly tinted black and white, done only as Older 40 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:49.719 Chilipsky can do. Be warned that we are going to 41 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:51.639 be spoiling this film as we go along, So if 42 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:53.919 you don't want anything ruined, turn off the podcast and 43 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:56.360 come back after you've seen the film. Little Sheba, we 44 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:59.319 will still be here. So, Jonathan, when was the first 45 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:01.800 time you saw Lemonade Joe And what did you think? 46 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:01.919 So? 47 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:06.199 I think I first saw it in early two thousand 48 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:08.439 and eight, and it was at a time when i'd 49 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:13.319 just finished my postgraduate research on Czech cinema and I 50 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:15.319 was waiting for my Vivor. I was going to have 51 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:18.079 like a Vivor kind of exam, and so I was 52 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:20.720 like desperately cramming lots and lots of films that I'd 53 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:24.519 not seen during the Christmas break, and this was one 54 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:26.920 of them. It was a bit belated, really, because I 55 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:29.759 think I really should have seen it earlier, and I 56 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:31.439 was watching a lot of things in a bit of 57 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:35.560 a panic. Even despite the circumstances, this was one that 58 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:38.959 I just immediately loved on first viewing, and I think 59 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:42.040 I probably watched it through. I probably went back a 60 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:44.120 couple of days after and just watched it again just 61 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:48.680 for pleasure, because it just immediately clicked with me. And Yeah, 62 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:51.040 it's just so much fun. And it's a film that 63 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:54.199 I've watched many times since then, and one of those 64 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:56.879 things that I can always just watch a few minutes 65 00:04:56.920 --> 00:05:00.600 of just get an instant pleasure hit from it. Yeah, 66 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:03.360 it's a film I love and I'm really excited to 67 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:04.000 talk about it. 68 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:08.040 Yeah, this movie is like a dopamine rush Yeah, and Ali, 69 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:08.800 how about yourself? 70 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:12.680 Because letterboxed I know exactly when I saw it, and 71 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:16.720 that was the fifteenth of February this year, but it 72 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:20.120 had been on my radar for like years and years 73 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:24.480 before that, and in part because of that, I think 74 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:28.480 it slightly suffered from being like so anticipated, Oh, I'm 75 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:30.639 finally going to watch this thing that I've heard about 76 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:35.040 for six, seven, eight years at this point, and it 77 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:40.360 was just coming as part of a very intense weekend 78 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:45.000 of film watching. In fact, I borrowed it on DVD 79 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:49.879 from twentieth Century Flicks Video Rental in Bristol, one of 80 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:54.920 the last surviving video rental places in the UK, because 81 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:59.079 I just happened to be in Bristol really for the 82 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:02.519 first time for Slapstick Festival, and so I'd seen a 83 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:07.199 bunch of like Soviet silent film slap Slapstick on the Friday, 84 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:13.360 come back to Oxford with my small handful of DVDs 85 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:17.959 because twentieth Century Flix does a rental service, so I 86 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:21.160 was just like, oh, okay, I will take these with me. 87 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:23.000 So I got three. 88 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:26.360 So it was part of a trio of I Married 89 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:30.959 a Witch, the Veronica Lake film and Sword of doom, 90 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:34.639 So that was quite an eclectic mix. And then I 91 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:39.240 saw it the day before I saw Once Upon a 92 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:42.000 Time in No, it wasn't Once Upon a Time in 93 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:44.240 the West. Yeah, it was Once Upon a Time in 94 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.600 the West. For the first time as well. I enjoyed it, 95 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:50.759 but it got lost in the shuffle and also seeing 96 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:55.040 it on DVD rather than seeing it on a nicer print, 97 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:58.680 I think it didn't quite live up to my expectations 98 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:02.720 the first time, But just revisiting it on a nicer 99 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:07.720 copy and in a slightly less like frazzled state of mind, 100 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:11.560 it's just grown with every subsequent rewatch. 101 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:13.759 So I am really excited to talk about this too. 102 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:18.040 Yeah. This one was part of a whole series of 103 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:21.480 movies that Facets released here in the States, Facets out 104 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:24.160 of Chicago. Yeah, I had this all the way back 105 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:27.680 on VHS. I think they released I don't know how 106 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.639 many titles, but it was very unusual for this video 107 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:35.120 company to release all of these Czechoslovakian films, And of 108 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:37.040 course they had a lot of the classics that we 109 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:41.399 know closely watched trains over here, closely observed trains over there. 110 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:44.199 But Lemonade Joe was one of them, and I was 111 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:50.000 just like, what is this thing? This musical Czech cowboy film, 112 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:53.360 And it was very unusual for me because I really 113 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.920 wasn't that familiar with other countries and how they did 114 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:01.680 cowboy films other than spaghetti westerns. I wasn't aware of 115 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:05.360 Tears of the Black Tiger hadn't come out the Thaie. 116 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:10.800 I believe it was Thai musical also Western. Watching this 117 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:14.639 the first time, I was completely blown away just the 118 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:19.879 manipulation of the footage, just to see the tinting of everything, 119 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:24.279 and sometimes the tinting is so intense, and maybe because 120 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:27.160 of watching this on VHS the first time, it was 121 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:30.560 really tough to see sometimes what was going on, and 122 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:34.919 even the version I watched again for this recording little 123 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:38.039 tough sometimes, like when he goes to Fata Morgana valley 124 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:41.360 and you have things up in the sky and you 125 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:44.600 can barely make out what's going on, and then you 126 00:08:44.759 --> 00:08:48.320 definitely see when he gets a vision of what's happening 127 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:52.480 with his love interest in Hogo Fogo. But yeah, there 128 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:55.120 are certain times, especially like the Street, where you just 129 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:58.240 have that long version and amazing that they have this 130 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:01.919 Western set at Barren. I guess they must have sh 131 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:04.399 had a lot of Cowboy films there because it was 132 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:09.200 a great set. And this movie plays with tropes like 133 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:12.840 Nobody's Business, like almost anything you can think of when 134 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:15.840 it comes to a cowboy film, it's in this like 135 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:19.879 all of the standards. It's almost the greatest hits of Westers. 136 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:23.120 And right from the start, right like the fact that 137 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:27.159 you've got this great title song in both because we'll 138 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:29.519 probably end up talking about like the English duble, which 139 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:32.480 is shorter. It's really a labor of love, and they 140 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:37.840 go to the trouble of rewriting or just writing songs 141 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.360 to replace the originals that just so like authentic but 142 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:45.000 just so funny and just so much in the lyrics. 143 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:47.720 And you can tell in a way that it was 144 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.960 a stage musical before, in the sense that the script 145 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:56.000 is so tight. And the thing about if you're putting 146 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:59.600 something on and this is like true of Shakespeare's. Part 147 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:01.279 of the reason and it's so good is you get 148 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:05.240 like multiple bites at the apple because like you could 149 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.120 just keep tightening the script. And I feel like maybe 150 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.480 that's what happened. I have no evidence for that, but 151 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:14.360 just it does seem like something that has just been 152 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:17.559 like fine tuned and fine tuned and just like extra 153 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:21.639 little jokes just added in and just so good. 154 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:24.960 I was really surprised to find out how long of 155 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:27.720 a prehistory it has really because I think it goes 156 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:30.840 back to basically to the end of the thirties. I 157 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:34.320 think Badechka was basically commissioned to write a series of 158 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:38.759 like Western themed stories for a magazine, and so I 159 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:41.600 think it was first published. I think he first wrote 160 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:44.519 them around like nineteen thirty nine, nineteen forty and then 161 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:46.679 it went through these various other versions. So there was 162 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.399 a play that was produced I think in nineteen forty 163 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:52.679 four during the occupation still which is amazing, I think, 164 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:54.559 and then there was a novel go Back. 165 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.159 To Closely Observed Trains, Yeah, this is what he was doing. 166 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:01.200 There was I think a radio version, of course, the 167 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:05.519 Jersey Trunker film Song of the Prairie, which is not 168 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:09.879 exactly the same story or characters, but it's like a 169 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:12.519 trial run in a way, I guess, for the idea 170 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:15.559 of doing the comedy western, and that's where the title 171 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:19.799 song first appears. And then there was the nineteen fifty 172 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:24.600 five stage production, which I think was a rewrite basically 173 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:26.919 and that I think it's at that point that they 174 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:29.039 added the music, So I think it's at that point 175 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:31.919 that it became a musical, and I think that was 176 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:34.639 the closest model to the film. But yeah, it had 177 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:38.279 been through all these various changes. And what Badechka did 178 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:41.799 in the shift from the like the previous versions to 179 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:44.440 the film was that he really nuanced the character of 180 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:45.480 Joe a lot more. 181 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:45.639 So. 182 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:48.360 Yeah, I think that's very true that. I think having 183 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:52.679 this kind of long prehistory, he was able to fine 184 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:55.639 tune it and also to deepen it as well, I think, 185 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:59.080 because I think in the earlier versions, Joe was more 186 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:02.960 of just this straight forward, like Western style good guy. 187 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:05.320 There was no real new ance to him. He was 188 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:08.840 just this very innocent, pure Western hero who liked to 189 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:11.559 drink lemonade. And then by the time he gets the film, 190 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:14.120 there's this other dimension to him. So in a way, 191 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:15.960 that's like a front, isn't it really? 192 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:20.159 And it's really cool that he'd been essentially marinading in 193 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:24.399 the genre for decades before we get the film. That's 194 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:27.279 so cool and probably why it's so rich. I don't 195 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:30.679 know if you can marinade anything in lemonade, you could 196 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:31.279 probably try. 197 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:35.919 You definitely can use lemon juice to help break it down. 198 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:36.679 In a marinad. 199 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:38.399 Lemon juice is really very good, isn't it. 200 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:41.879 It is for especially for a dense meat like this, 201 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:44.759 which it's because the acid will tend to cook it. 202 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:48.879 If the lamb was quite really thin, then it wouldn't 203 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:49.600 be a great idea. 204 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:51.919 Well, I want to say about the title, like the 205 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:54.679 fact and the themes of the film, the fact that 206 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:59.799 it's called lemonade, lemonade Joe, it's like lemonade, it's very sweet, 207 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:03.279 Lemons themselves famously bitter. 208 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:06.039 What do you associate with lemons? Bitterness? 209 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:09.399 And it's just there's something about that, and like the 210 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:14.360 mythmaking of the West, it's this lovely, happy, sugary sweet thing. 211 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:19.000 But actually there's this kind of like bitter history like. 212 00:13:19.559 --> 00:13:22.879 Under the surface. So just don't don't look out in 213 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:27.240 that dark corner, don't open up those that box. Possibly 214 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:28.919 that's me overreading. 215 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:33.360 But Badetchka. From what I've read about his feelings on 216 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:35.679 the film, I think he did intend there to be 217 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.840 that kind of undercurrent of satire or of critique. And 218 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:44.720 it was interesting because sometimes people have suggested that this 219 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:48.720 the kind of anti capitalist critique in the film was 220 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:51.440 something that was imposed by the context, and it was 221 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:53.320 the fact that he was making this in a communist 222 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:56.080 country that meant he had to add this element to 223 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:59.399 make it more acceptable. And yet I've read there was 224 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:01.879 an article at the time of the film's release in 225 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:04.360 I think it was in a Slovak journal that actually 226 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:07.600 criticized the film for being too harsh. He'd actually said 227 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:09.200 it's a little bit he said, some of the jokes 228 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:11.639 nice pond by the way, that it's a little bit 229 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:14.639 below the bell. And but Deetka took issue with this, 230 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:17.240 and he said that was his intention, really, and that 231 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:21.399 he was actually more interested in the reality of the 232 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:23.320 West than he was in the myth and so that 233 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:27.639 I think he was conscious that he was doing something 234 00:14:27.679 --> 00:14:31.159 that was de mythologizing the West in a certain way. 235 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:34.799 And so I think that kind of bitter taste is intentional. 236 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:37.519 And it's really interesting too, isn't it if you put 237 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:39.519 it in the context of the sixties and of what 238 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:42.559 was happening in the American Western and in the European Western, 239 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:45.960 because there was this similar project. As much as it's 240 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:50.759 parodying or referring back to the Westerns of the thirties 241 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:53.159 and forties. I think it's also in a way it's 242 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:56.200 quite contemporary, isn't it, with somebody like Leoni for example. 243 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:59.759 Yeah, I was been fascinated by the whole idea of 244 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:04.480 other cultures parroting or mirroring back to the US, or 245 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:09.360 to any other cultures, one culture mirroring another culture. I've 246 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:11.960 talked before about spaghetti Westerns. How I find them very 247 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:16.919 interesting because they're looking at America through European lens, and 248 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:21.639 this whole idea of Karl may being this incredible Western writer, 249 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:24.879 but he's German. I don't know if he ever stepped 250 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:27.440 foot on US soil. But to have all of these 251 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:32.480 Eastern Westerns reflecting back to us, like I find it 252 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:36.440 fascinating to see how many Westerns were made in Eastern 253 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:40.159 Europe and Russia. It's just really that's wild. But it 254 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:40.799 is a genre. 255 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:41.320 Why not. 256 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:44.840 You can't limit a genre to a country, So yeah, 257 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:47.039 let's do it up. And so you had to see 258 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:51.240 this Western, particularly where it's going through all of those 259 00:15:51.279 --> 00:15:54.200 different layers, through all of those different years until it 260 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:56.200 gets to this and I can't even say it's a 261 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:59.639 final product because there have still been adaptations. There's a 262 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.879 play that I found out on YouTube where it's pretty 263 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:05.960 modern that I think it was just a few years 264 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:08.279 ago this was put on, so it still carries a 265 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.320 lot of weight and has legs to it. But yeah, 266 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:14.840 I love how it changed throughout the years until we 267 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:18.799 get to this one example, nineteen sixty four with this 268 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:21.279 Lipski version where we get to see what was the 269 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.679 world like at that time and how is it reflecting 270 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:26.960 back the Old West here and using those tropes to 271 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:29.639 tell this quote unquote new story. 272 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:32.200 And the setting as well in terms of the year 273 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:35.759 that it's set eighteen eighty five, so it's twenty years 274 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:38.799 after the end of the Civil War, and it's five 275 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:43.720 years before the frontier closes. And you even have our 276 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:49.399 two badman brothers having a nostalgic moment about their escapades 277 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:53.720 from their youth when they were running around with Billy 278 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:57.600 the Kid and people like that. And then right at 279 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:01.080 the beginning, just after the credits, you've got the bitingly 280 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:06.079 sardonic dedication to like the heroes of the West who 281 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:11.640 avenged injustice and stood up for the law with a 282 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:16.640 capital Z in Czech capital zacn no matter what. 283 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:20.440 And it's just that's not what happens in this reilm. 284 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:22.640 So I love that. 285 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:28.960 It's yeah, I didn't I didn't even really clock that 286 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:30.480 the first couple of times. 287 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:33.799 And I love that when it comes to these tropes 288 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.039 that they are just played to eleven nearly every single time. 289 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:41.000 Like we start the movie after that great credit sequence, 290 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:45.000 after that wonderful song, we start at the Badman Bar. 291 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:48.480 I'll go far with the brother is away. It's just 292 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:52.359 Doug Badman who's running this bar. And we have a 293 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:56.200 bar fight, right. We don't even get to see it instigated, 294 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:59.640 I don't think, and boom we are fighting like crazy, 295 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:04.279 and you these amazing So of course Lipsky loves manipulating film, 296 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:08.480 loves manipulating the camera. So one guy will punch somebody 297 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:11.680 else and it's it looks like it was played backwards, 298 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:16.079 so the other person like leaps up onto the landing above, 299 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:18.599 or you do have this amazing stunt where this guy 300 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:21.359 is on top of the landing and jumps down like 301 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:24.279 eight stairs to punch somebody else. I'm like, wow, that 302 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:29.039 looked dangerous, and it's just mass hysteria and the piano 303 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:32.319 players just tinkling away on the ivories, and we get 304 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:35.319 to meet some of these characters, like Mike Doug who's 305 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:40.559 reading a newspaper about Hogo Fogo so nonchalantly. He's just 306 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:43.960 like and then his aide de camp and I'm trying 307 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:47.319 to remember his name is a Grimpo who's played by 308 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:51.079 Joseph Heilno Maas there we are who I've seen in 309 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.759 a ton of stuff. It's odd with this movie. There 310 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:58.000 are certain actors that I've seen a ton and then 311 00:18:58.039 --> 00:19:00.240 there are a bunch that I've just I'm not familiar 312 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:01.839 with them very much at all, or they might have 313 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:05.759 played smaller roles. But I was a little bit offended 314 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:08.640 because Vladimir Menzick only plays a bartender in here. He's 315 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:09.839 that one of the main character. 316 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:12.359 Yeah, it doesn't have a lot of lines that. Yeah, 317 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:13.960 I wish you could have heard more of him. 318 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:17.759 Yeah, of course, he's fucking fantastic every time he's on screen. 319 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:21.279 But it's like him mixing up those drinks for a 320 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:24.079 grempo and everything. That's probably one of my favorite scenes 321 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:24.599 with him in it. 322 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.519 Interestingly, he's serving the beer instead of drinking it, because 323 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:30.400 usually he's drinking beer, isn't he? And yeah, it's slightly 324 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:34.799 uncharacteristic then quite neatly turned out as well. Really, yeah, 325 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:36.599 I mean, in terms of the cast, I think the 326 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:40.039 most interesting thing is that Carol Fiala, who plays Joe, 327 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:43.640 didn't really have any other lead roles I think as 328 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:46.279 far as I know, or he didn't really ever do 329 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:49.359 another film of the Sean stature. I think the only 330 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:51.559 other kind of really well known thing he did is 331 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:56.119 in Amadaeus, where he plays Don Giovanni on stage in 332 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:59.799 a small role. But he could have really believed there 333 00:19:59.880 --> 00:20:03.160 was maybe some political factors behind that. But yeah, he 334 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:07.400 didn't really go on to other big starring roles really, 335 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:09.920 which is a shame because he's so wonderful. He just 336 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:13.319 looks so American somehow. I don't know how to put 337 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:17.240 it otherwise, but yeah, he just looks the part so much. 338 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:21.200 And a shame that his singing was not actually him though, 339 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:24.160 that was actually Carol Gott, I believe, doing the songs 340 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:27.400 that Joe has because I believe that Carol Fiala was 341 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:29.200 the wrong type of I don't think he could hit 342 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:33.160 the high notes in the way that Carol Gott could do. Yeah, 343 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:35.400 A bit of an ironic thing being that he was 344 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:39.000 like an operetta star that he didn't actually do the singing, 345 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:42.279 but it works. I think it works with Carol Gott 346 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:45.559 And I just love that opening song as well, because 347 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:48.559 I remember the first time I heard that, I was like, 348 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:51.599 is that English or is it just like Pidgeon? And 349 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.079 I believe Badetchka himself actually wrote the lyrics, which is 350 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:58.119 interesting because I think Badetchka did actually speak English. And 351 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:02.680 it's a brilliant and opening statement in a way, isn't it, 352 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:06.279 Because it's I think summarizes what the movie is about 353 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:09.119 because it sounds like English, but it's not. It's just 354 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:12.240 this kind of nonsense. I think the title is so 355 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:15.799 far to you I May, which is just like nonsense, 356 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:19.559 and then there's little bits of Spanish, but it sounds right. 357 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:22.440 It just sounds good. But yeah, that little. 358 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:25.400 Hint of yodling is it's lovely. 359 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:28.839 Oh yeah, it sounds so great, and yeah, hitting us 360 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:31.440 with the song right away, and then to calm down 361 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:34.480 all the people at the bar, we introduce the tornado 362 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.799 Loo who comes in and just I love how the 363 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:40.960 tinting we were in one tint and then we moved 364 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:44.079 to red and really sets the stage as well as 365 00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:47.240 that little guy who's got the bellows and he's like 366 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:52.119 blowing smoke. It's just coming down the stairs. I love 367 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:55.680 that so much, and I'm just like, Okay, here's here's Destrie, 368 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:58.640 here's the bad girl kind of thing. So we're going 369 00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:01.200 to have some sort of love triangle going on here, 370 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:03.359 And yeah, it hits all of those notes, but it 371 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:06.000 just does it in such a great way. And we 372 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:08.759 should probably say a little bit about Burdechka as well. 373 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:14.079 We covered Mysterious Castle and Carpathians. I believe that was 374 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:17.640 just last year. He also wrote Adele Hasn't Had Her 375 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:22.880 Supper Yet, which also Ellipski directed, So it's this is 376 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:25.319 the first part of you could consider it a trilogy 377 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:28.400 of films that Ellipsky and he made together. But I 378 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:32.240 think he also did Incorrectly Drawn hen which is a 379 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:35.799 short that I didn't think is on a double disc 380 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:40.079 with Ellipski Films. And then we also talked about When 381 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:42.880 the Cat Comes a few years ago, which was also 382 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:47.000 based on a Burdecchka story. That was the Yancey film, 383 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:50.480 which I've been seeing a lot of people posting about lately, 384 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:53.240 and I'm just so glad to see that because it's 385 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:54.400 such a great movie. 386 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:57.640 And that also has a lot of amazing experiments with 387 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:00.839 color as well, doesn't it about I think was made 388 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.599 the year before this one, So I guess this was 389 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:06.920 a really interesting time for these this development, in this 390 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:10.319 development of a kind of quasi musical form, wasn't it 391 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:13.559 really in Czechoslovakia? And I think around this I think 392 00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:15.559 actually the same year as lemona Joe, you also had 393 00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:19.960 The Hot Pickers, which is this great Czech musical which 394 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:23.279 is often compared with the West Side Story, and I 395 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:26.960 think I think Vlasta Milhalla, who wrote co wrote the 396 00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:29.720 music for Lemonae Joe also co wrote the music for 397 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:32.039 that as well. So yeah, this was this really interesting 398 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:36.799 time where filmmakers were really experimenting with other musical with 399 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:40.519 other kind of genres and these incredible color experiments. 400 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:44.240 Oh I'm sorry real quick, just to correct myself incorrectly 401 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:47.400 drawn hen was not directed by Elevski. That was actually 402 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:52.559 Bredechka himself that directed that, and he worked with Milosh 403 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:56.039 Maasarek for the screenplay. So another favorite around here on 404 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:57.720 the projection booth, and. 405 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:00.319 Then of course on the tinting side of things like 406 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:04.359 that's part of the nostalgia. It's it's it's like layers 407 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:08.319 of the nostalgia. So it's nostalgia for early cinema because 408 00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:13.240 that's what you did, and so it's in that way, 409 00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:16.720 it's like a it's a very original film in the 410 00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:21.279 quite like both the like common parlance definition and the 411 00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:24.279 pedantic like going back to the origin and this it's 412 00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:27.240 kind of like Martin Scorsese always likes to say about 413 00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:31.079 study the old masters, because you'll get inspiration there. So 414 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:34.799 I love the fact that it's drawing on like older cinema, 415 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:41.440 and because Westerns themselves are so much part of early 416 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:46.240 cinema because it was such a popular genre for getting 417 00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:51.079 people into cinemas. So it's yeah, just multi layered nostalgia there. 418 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:54.319 I love that there's a few other techniques, aren't there, 419 00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:57.519 I think, which suggests early cinema. There's like irishing effects, 420 00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:00.079 and there's oh yeah, the overcranking, and. 421 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.640 Then some of the rapid montage feels like quite like 422 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:08.319 nineteen twenties Soviet, which you'd expect coming out of the 423 00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:12.880 Eastern Bloc. Is that they've they've studied their Eisenstein's and 424 00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:17.079 their Vertovs and Koler shots and all those guys and 425 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:19.440 like able to take the best from them. 426 00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:25.319 There's the gun fight that Joe has with Hogo Fogo 427 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:29.440 at one point where it's just basically cut in there 428 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:32.119 in this position, cut there in that position, cut there 429 00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:34.519 in this position, And I just love how they're moving 430 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:39.240 around through the space doing this gunfight, just through edits 431 00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:43.240 rather than through even them moving around. Yeah, or even 432 00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:46.920 when there's a song later on where there's a dance 433 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.559 going on the left side of the screen and Joe's 434 00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:52.240 playing piano on the right side of the screen and 435 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.799 Hogo Focos or whoever's in this Sorry, folks, there's blackface 436 00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:58.960 in this movie. But whoever's in this blackface is just 437 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:03.079 moving around doing all these impossible. 438 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:07.000 Oh, yes, it's Hogo Fogo, one of his many disguises. 439 00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:11.039 Yes, I meant as far as I don't know if 440 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:15.119 there was Kopetki himself, but it probably was. Kopetuck is 441 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:17.480 just fucking fantastic in this movie. 442 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:23.279 So wildly charismatic and just having such a great time, 443 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:25.720 like chewing up the scenery. This must be like a 444 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:28.720 dream role for the kind of actor who enjoys like 445 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:33.039 really hamming it up because he's so good He. 446 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:34.960 Has the same role, doesn't he. In each of the 447 00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:39.039 Bodetchka and Lipski films he's always this villain who's also 448 00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:41.160 like a master of disguise. But I think this is 449 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:43.839 to me the greatest one, just because of just the 450 00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:46.759 variety and just the sort of gusto and relish that 451 00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:50.480 he takes in just fooling people. And there's just there 452 00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:52.559 seems to be just multiple times where he comes in 453 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:55.880 a new disguise, and it's often he's trying to fool 454 00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:57.880 even the people that he's actually meant to be on 455 00:26:58.000 --> 00:26:59.839 the same side as, and it's just for the pleasure 456 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:01.839 of messing with them, isn't it. 457 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:02.119 Really. 458 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:05.960 He's like a tricks to God almost and this is 459 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.680 partly the dub, but he just reminds me of the 460 00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:14.519 classic kind of clipped British super villain that obviously this 461 00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:19.960 is anachronistic that Jeremy Irons and Alan Rickman would play 462 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:23.160 in like later decades, but if you go earlier than this, 463 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:29.319 it's Basil Rathbone in Adventures of Robinhood. It's that wonderfully 464 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:33.240 crisp diction, but with a sort of a snarl and 465 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:37.319 a sneer, like on every line delivery. 466 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:43.759 Yeah, he's more rearity completely brother, brother, Brother. 467 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:47.519 You say I can match a Cocos but size of 468 00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:49.119 a Mexican Dalar? 469 00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:51.960 Is it possible that you are my own blood brother? 470 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:59.920 Horrors dog, it's been a long term since we shared 471 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.799 the sad fate of orphans found on the prairie by 472 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.680 a real tough bunch of darn rough cowboys here. 473 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:11.000 Then we knocked around the gatehounds of the Frontier, and 474 00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:13.839 what marvelous. 475 00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:20.200 Times we had together, ambush and stage coaches, Robin killing sheriffs, 476 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:24.640 holding up trains with Jesse James and Billy the Kid. 477 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:29.599 It's pretty much literally mustache twirling, isn't it? Because I 478 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:31.880 think he may even do that. Actually, at one point 479 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:33.440 I think he does it in a Dayla hasn't had 480 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.720 suffer yet. There's definitely a there's a lot of play 481 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:39.559 with like mustaches and beards, aren't there. I think it's 482 00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:42.240 in mysterious Castle in the Carpathians where he has this 483 00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:47.160 amazing sort of curl beard and he seems to judge 484 00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:49.279 people by the quality of their beards. 485 00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:53.200 And yeah, there's Yeah, he's like Rudolph Hearnsky. Oh if 486 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:56.480 only you had some better facial hair. Going back to 487 00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:00.480 the tinting, I'm so curious. I found this version that 488 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:04.400 I sent you guys where if this film was recolorized, 489 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:08.240 So somebody took away that tinting and tried to make 490 00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:13.039 it a color film. Holy shit, it is so strange 491 00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:17.440 because so much of the film is washed out. So 492 00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:20.559 then you add color to this washed out miss and 493 00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:23.400 you're like, what is going on? These poor people on 494 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:27.039 the sides of the frame just barely can see them. 495 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.079 They look like ghosts. It's what are you doing? Why 496 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.599 would you do that to this film? That's so much 497 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:35.240 a part of the film is it's tinting. 498 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:39.319 In the English dub is they've added an extra little 499 00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:42.240 joke into the credits to play on the fact that 500 00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:46.160 in the fifties in particular, when you're competing with television, 501 00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:49.039 it's like anything to get people in the seats. So 502 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:51.400 you'll be like, it's in this kind of vision, it's 503 00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:55.960 invistavision and it's in whatever, and this has it has 504 00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.480 just after Lipski's name, it has like in Lemon Tone 505 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:04.559 by Allied Artists, and it's just like extra little joke 506 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:05.559 we've just crammed in. 507 00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:08.640 It makes sense too, because I have the impression that 508 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:10.920 that yellow is the dominant tint, isn't it. So I 509 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.920 guess that was Yeah, I guess make it makes sense 510 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:17.079 to me too, because this may just be a sort 511 00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:20.599 of a personal idiosyncrasy, but I think of Westerns as yellow. 512 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:25.440 Somehow it is the right tint somehow, And but yeah, 513 00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:28.599 I just love the way that they're constantly shifting. So 514 00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:30.960 I think whenever there's like a romantic scene or a 515 00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:32.880 romantic moment, it goes red, doesn't it. 516 00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:36.519 And then when you get or more like erotic, because 517 00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:39.000 when you've got the dancers it's sort of love slash sex. 518 00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:39.880 Yeah, it is red. 519 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.559 And then the coat is it the Cola Locust Saloon 520 00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:46.960 where it's this very saintly bluish white tint, And to me, 521 00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:50.599 that just typifies the approach really because in a way, 522 00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:52.960 it's one of those films that it just throws everything 523 00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:55.720 at you, but it's done in this incredibly It's like 524 00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.720 a very precise and controlled way. I think at each 525 00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:00.920 point they knew what they were doing. It's not random. 526 00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:04.799 You even have a sort of a dark green, kind 527 00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:08.839 of like gothy vibe in a couple of the Hogo 528 00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:14.400 Fogo scenes, and also when Tornado Loo turns to the 529 00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:17.319 dark side, you have a goth sequence where she comes 530 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:22.319 down the stairs with this candelarbry and it's just spooky 531 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:27.599 and like eastern Central European they do like Gothic horror. 532 00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:31.519 So well over there, I love you mentioning the Green, 533 00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:34.839 especially over that montage of Hogo Fogo and all of 534 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.599 his dastardly deeds that he's done, and just also the 535 00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:42.799 use of like old timey looking drawings. The whole credit 536 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:46.359 sequence is done over these like it has that same 537 00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:51.599 like wanted poster type font and they use those old 538 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:58.519 looking drawings, so especially when they are there's a song. 539 00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:01.359 So at one point and Hogo Fogo is dressed up 540 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:05.000 like a blind man, and of course lemon A Joe 541 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:06.680 is helping him out because he's one of the best 542 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:10.880 heroes in the entire world. So he's playing piano and 543 00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:13.720 the old man starts to tell this story and they 544 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:17.200 move up to this picture, this drawing of New Orleans, 545 00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:22.160 and then you see figures start to enter into the drawing, yeah, 546 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.839 into the artwork, and then it suddenly becomes this whole 547 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:27.960 sequence of this kind of New Orleans funeral that's going on, 548 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:30.960 and yeah, that I think is all. I think that 549 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:33.599 might be tinted. I'm not sure which cutting tinto that is. 550 00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:35.839 But there's also that montage of like I was saying, 551 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.920 his dastardly acts, which are all in green, and then 552 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:41.799 you get all of the disguises that he's wearing and 553 00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:45.279 he's got one eye clothes and yeah, oh my god, 554 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.279 it's so good. I love seeing what they're doing with 555 00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:51.960 Kopetchuk's face and just all of the horrible things that 556 00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:55.759 he's done over the years and just so happy about them. 557 00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:57.480 He just loves being evil. 558 00:32:57.680 --> 00:32:59.920 I love the fact that the word you had in 559 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:04.000 the notes for Hogo Fogo was fiend. That's exactly the word. 560 00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:09.720 It's like the Joker in one of his more like malicious. Oh, 561 00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:14.640 I am stacking up the body count and having delightful 562 00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:16.319 amounts of fun every second of it. 563 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:22.720 Of course, our good side is being represented by Winfred 564 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:26.200 and her father, and they're both temperance people, which plays 565 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:28.880 right into Joe's thing, because he's just like, oh yeah, 566 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.599 alcohol is so bad. Everybody should be drinking Cola loka, 567 00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:36.400 and he is. Basically they find out later on in 568 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:38.759 the film that he is a salesman for Cola Loca. 569 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:41.599 That he's the heir to the Cola Loka fortune. He's 570 00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:44.160 basically the son of Coca Cola. 571 00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:46.319 Oh, he's an oligarch, is what he is. 572 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:49.000 It kind of reminds me of the Coca Cola Kid, 573 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:53.559 the Eric Roberts film The Duchamcaveev I think directed that one. 574 00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:57.200 I guess Nesle are probably big in the States as well, 575 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:01.680 but in the UK the Milky Bar Kid for Nesley's 576 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:02.759 White Chocolate. 577 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:03.640 I remember that. 578 00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.599 I don't know whether that's a campaign that continues, but yeah, 579 00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.519 that's something I definitely remember from my childhood. 580 00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.119 Now, the man didn't call the sheriff was a low 581 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.800 down JUNI wrett me as a rattlesnake. 582 00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.320 Why he once stole the hat if he passed by 583 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:22.800 your way? 584 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:27.000 Better want fact than you see. So the town called 585 00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:32.880 by hilp me making that. 586 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:34.920 Far. 587 00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.480 That's in me Bard and me. 588 00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:53.320 But yeah, he is a trust fund baby. I think 589 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.119 you said that, Jonathan. I totally agree that we find out, 590 00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:59.400 Oh yeah, he's not as pure as maybe he seems. 591 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.280 When it's finally revealed, and I think his pocket book 592 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.159 drops out of his pocket Winnifred find it, and I 593 00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:07.400 think at first he thinks she's going to be upset, 594 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:09.719 but then she's actually delighted because that means she is 595 00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:11.440 going to she is going to get a piece of that. 596 00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:16.400 And yeah, that kind of mercenary, kind of money minded attitude, 597 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:18.480 she has that as well. So yeah, they're perfect for 598 00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:21.960 each other because they're like negotiating the percentage, aren't they 599 00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:22.719 between each other? 600 00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:28.880 And she is all lined up to become Missus Lemonade 601 00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.840 when it comes to this, or Missus Kola Loca. We've 602 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:33.960 screwed around this a little bit as far as like 603 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.199 where we're at in the world in nineteen sixty four 604 00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:41.280 and what this has become after the book, the short stories, 605 00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.440 some of the short films that have taken from this 606 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.320 and everything until we get to this film, which is 607 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:51.239 really an attack on capitalism, I would say, which I'm 608 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:51.920 all for. 609 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:54.920 I think it's really sharp in the way it's at 610 00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:58.360 a pinpoints. It's that connection between like big business and 611 00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:02.800 then law and religion as well. Isn't it that somehow 612 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:06.519 they all ultimately serve profit and they serve the making 613 00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:10.360 of money, and you can bend it however you like. Ultimately, 614 00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:13.639 as long as you are serving profit, you can accept anything. 615 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.400 And it's funny, isn't it. When they've set up the 616 00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:19.920 Cola Local Saloon and the fighting is still continuing, isn't it. 617 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.320 They're still beating each other up, but now they're drinking 618 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:24.480 the lemonade. So it's good, isn't it. 619 00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:28.960 Now it's just such a brutal juxtaposition. And Winnifer's just 620 00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:33.559 singing about how lovely life is in Arizona and how 621 00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:36.920 polite everyone is, and then they're just people just lamping 622 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:42.280 each other and throwing them through windows and yeah, and. 623 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:44.679 It's in slow motion. Now it's this beautiful sort of 624 00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:48.159 classic rather than over cranked. It's like it's now, yeah, 625 00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:50.719 slow most so it looks more elegant. But yeah, still 626 00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:53.280 people are shooting each other blastic. 627 00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:56.400 And then, in terms of going back a little a 628 00:36:56.519 --> 00:37:01.239 little bit, and like the satires, the first gunfight we 629 00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:06.119 have is just it's just like water wall like gunshots, explosions, 630 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:10.360 like people jump like jumping acrobatically, but they cannot hit 631 00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.679 the site of a barn door. And then when everyone 632 00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:19.239 switches off the sauce to the lemonade, you have this 633 00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:23.639 sequence where these two guys just like gun each other down, 634 00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.280 like in Cold Blood and and Lemonade Joe is like, 635 00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:30.360 this is great, isn't it. Like everyone's so much more 636 00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:35.400 accurate now, and it's just it's quite a body count. 637 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:41.599 His thirst for for Lemonade is pretty much matched by 638 00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.519 his thirst for blood. There's a sequence where he just 639 00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:50.920 like these like robbers are escaping and he just blasts 640 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.400 them all away. Like he doesn't aim to shoot the 641 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.480 horse so that he can like so that it can 642 00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:00.320 be arrested and taken alive. No, he is just yeah, 643 00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:03.840 he's John Wick. He's head shots. He's no one gets 644 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.199 out of this alive. To be fair to him, like 645 00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:11.360 he shoots plenty of people, like non lethally, like he 646 00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:14.719 shoots people's guns out of the hand. But that's that's 647 00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:17.880 not a bit him being humane. It's about him like 648 00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:23.239 showing his prowess, like like shooting the belt off Grimpo. 649 00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:26.000 And then when Grimpo's at the top of the stairs 650 00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:29.519 coming down with the shotgun, he just idly throws his 651 00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.239 gun over the side and shoots Grimpo again. 652 00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:35.039 It's part of the whole satire of the film is 653 00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:40.440 that Lemonade Joe's gun fighting and physical fighting later skills 654 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:44.559 are just preternatural, like he can he's got he's basically 655 00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:48.760 got extra sensory perception and could just like like pinpoint 656 00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:52.079 accurate shoot somebody over the over over the shoulder from 657 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:53.960 the other side of the room or the other side 658 00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:57.679 of the street. And it's probably too early to be 659 00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:02.880 satirizing like Clint Eastwood characters in spaghetti westerns, because he's 660 00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:07.599 just so ridiculously unrealistically a good shot and just able 661 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:11.440 to like kill ridiculous amounts of people without being hit himself. 662 00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:12.480 And that's Joe. 663 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.400 Yeah, it's the same year the Fist Full of Dollars 664 00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:15.880 comes out. 665 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:18.840 Yeah, I always find that amazing, really because yeah, I 666 00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:23.159 think especially that scene with the four bandits on horseback 667 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:24.840 where he just shoots three of them and then he 668 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:27.280 shoots the last one just while he's talking to Winnifredick. 669 00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:30.920 That almost reads like a parody of the famous sort 670 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.039 of first big shootout in Fist Full of Dollars, doesn't it, 671 00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:36.599 where he shoots the four people at one after the other. 672 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:38.920 That's to me one of the strange things I think 673 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:41.280 about a lot of these check parodies that they were 674 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:46.000 not only parodying something that didn't really exist properly in Czechoslovakia. 675 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:48.199 But it's almost like they were parodying something that didn't 676 00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:52.000 yet exist yet in like international cinema in general, really, 677 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.880 because it's similar to Who Wants to Kill Jesse, which 678 00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:59.519 was obviously spoofing like comic books, and it's like this 679 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.480 example of the comic book movie, but it comes really 680 00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:05.800 before European stock cinema had started to do that, so 681 00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:09.400 it comes before Barberella and things like that, and it's 682 00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:13.960 just this weird kind of contradiction where you're actually parodying something. 683 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:17.320 So it does feel like a parody of a spaghetti western, 684 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:20.360 even though this was very early, wasn't it. I mean 685 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:23.280 there were possibly some I think they'd made some German 686 00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:25.599 westerns by this point. I think you'd had that kind 687 00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.519 of early calm my adaptations. But yeah, as you say, 688 00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:31.559 fist full of Dollars was the same year, and yeah, 689 00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:35.440 it's almost like riffing on something that was not yet there. 690 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.360 And this has reminded me of another like very brief 691 00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:41.679 moment Grimpo like he's cleaning his gun and he looks 692 00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:45.480 through like he cracks the pistol open, then looks through 693 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:47.840 one of the one of the chambers for just a second. 694 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.320 But it's just a second, and it's like the James 695 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:54.719 Bond gun barrel. And this is two years after Doctor No. 696 00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:56.480 They were really. 697 00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.199 Cranking out the Bond films at that point, so I 698 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:03.360 think maybe you'd had From Russia with Love and Goldfinger 699 00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:05.639 at this point as well. But the fact is that 700 00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.679 feels like it's deliberate, but it's also so soon that 701 00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:13.760 could it have been. I know, like filmmakers had more 702 00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:17.760 ability to travel outside of the beyond the Iron Curtain 703 00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:20.840 than the average like member of the public, and they 704 00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:24.000 could also ask for things and just say we need 705 00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:25.800 to see this to be able to keep up with 706 00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:28.840 the West, with the West. And I think also like 707 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:36.079 Czechoslovakia was more liberal than further east anyway in the sixties. 708 00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:38.920 And of course this is the time of the Khrushov 709 00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:45.599 thor when the Soviets are less iron healed, although yes, 710 00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:47.480 say that to the Hungarians in fifty six. 711 00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:50.840 I want to go back to that gun fight real quick, 712 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:54.760 as far as the absurdity of it and just the 713 00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:58.679 wildness of it, and to see these guys who are 714 00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:02.960 obviously ending on trampolines and then jumping over these horses 715 00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:06.400 and things, or the one guy who jumps into a 716 00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.599 barrel and then he comes up and five other guys 717 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.079 all come up at the same time, and we were 718 00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:14.599 doing a lot of Suddenly the camera goes into a 719 00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.440 Dutch angle. We're following a guy who like lands on 720 00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:20.800 the floor and starts shooting, and the cutting speed is 721 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.440 so fast, and I'm like, is this something that Sam 722 00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:28.039 Raimie might have seen? Because this feels so Raymi esque 723 00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.599 in certain parts of this, with that quick cutting, the 724 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:34.679 camera moving all over the place, very to me what 725 00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.679 John Wio was doing and things like the killer and stuff, 726 00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:41.599 though obviously not nearly as comedically, but this feels like 727 00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:45.719 it's got that energy that really drives somebody like a 728 00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.320 Ramie and this movie will just suddenly be like, Okay, yeah, 729 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.360 now here's the craziest gunfight that you've seen. Here's the 730 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:56.119 barroom fight that you've seen. I'm surprised that there isn't 731 00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:59.159 a stage coach. There is, but not like a stagecoach 732 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:03.320 robbery kind of thing in this one. It's so many 733 00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:05.719 of these things that we've seen in other movies. But 734 00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:09.079 Lipsky's just okay. You thought you've seen that before. Here, 735 00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:11.719 let me give you something that you've not seen, or 736 00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:13.800 something you've seen but in a completely new. 737 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:17.119 Way, and go back to the silent cinema. Like both 738 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.519 in settings and the sheer physicality. It's like very keyt 739 00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:24.039 nesk just to the fact that people are just acrobatic 740 00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:27.400 and like, how are you not hurting yourself here? It's 741 00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:29.599 like probably frequently you are. 742 00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:32.320 I did find when I was watching it that I 743 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:34.760 would sometimes just go back and look at certain moments 744 00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:36.880 and I would try and work out is that reversed 745 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:39.880 or is that how it should be? It's something it's 746 00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.480 difficult to tell whether something is more impossible as you're 747 00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:46.039 seeing it or like in the reverse order. I think 748 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.320 there's like a moment where somebody jumps onto a horse, 749 00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:52.159 and I was trying to think, does has that been 750 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.679 reversed or is that actually physically possible to do it 751 00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:56.559 that way? Or would it be difficult? Would it be 752 00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:59.519 more difficult if you're jumping off the horse. But there's 753 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:02.360 a lot of things that, yeah, they just seem physically 754 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:04.280 very difficult to do. 755 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:04.679 Really. 756 00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.599 I read that they used like some of the stunt performers. 757 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:09.599 I think they were like judo masters, or they were 758 00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:12.280 like they used like basketball players, and yeah, they just 759 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.199 got all these sports players, I think. And I don't 760 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:18.000 know how developed the stunt industry was in czechoslovacurate at 761 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:19.360 the time, but yeah, you had a lot of people 762 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.000 that were just very good at like jumping through things. 763 00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:25.880 And I think another point of reference too is like animation, 764 00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:28.760 isn't it because and something that I love is the 765 00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:31.719 fact that the do you see that tool company, it's 766 00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:34.400 called the Atmeat Tool Company, And there's that wonderful kind 767 00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.280 of Looney Tunes reference there isn't there. 768 00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.840 I think just to have the on screen animation at 769 00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.679 one point when Joe and Hogo Fogo are going at it, 770 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.519 shooting at each other, and you see the bullets being 771 00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:49.480 animated across the screen like dotted lines, and they just 772 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:50.639 keep hitting each other. 773 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.440 It's like they're so evenly matched. 774 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:55.599 Yes, there's just so perfect and they just keep shooting 775 00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:58.559 each other's bullets right out of the air. That's basically 776 00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:01.400 like one of the jokes in the Suicide Squad with 777 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:05.480 oh yeah, my bullets are smaller, they make smaller holes 778 00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:08.000 or whatever, and it's just Yep, they're shooting each other 779 00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:11.320 just any one another's bullets right out of the air. 780 00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.079 And it's that creativity that I just love. And the 781 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:18.360 films I think Jonathan was the first time we ever talked, 782 00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:23.920 was that about Happy End? If not, that was twenty seventeen. 783 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:27.639 I think we talked about that movie. So talk about 784 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:32.679 just going absolutely nuts, just playing the entire movie backwards, 785 00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:35.880 eat your heart out because for Nolan, and. 786 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:38.320 It's so offhand as well, isn't it. Really It's not 787 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:43.079 done with any real pretension. And Happy End, I think 788 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:47.840 is an interesting one because it's so experimental, isn't it. 789 00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:52.199 It pushes this idea really too. It's breaking point and 790 00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:57.000 it worked. It realizes it perfectly. And I guess this 791 00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.039 is also the time of the New Wave, of course, 792 00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:01.639 And I think lips he said in relation to Happy End, 793 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:03.760 he said, this is an experiment, but it's not a 794 00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:06.719 New Wave experiment. And it's interesting that he would make 795 00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:10.199 that distinction because to me, a lot of the techniques 796 00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:12.719 are very similar to what the New Wave was doing. 797 00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:15.960 I guess it does it in the Guys of the Comedy, 798 00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:19.000 in the Guys of the genre film a genre spoof, 799 00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:22.039 but it is as experimental in its own way as 800 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:23.840 any of the new wave films. 801 00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.039 And then in terms of personnel, there's a lot of 802 00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:32.440 shared in front and behind the camera filmmakers from Carol 803 00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:38.559 Zemen films, So just that drawing on that level of 804 00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:45.199 visual invention. I haven't seen Baron Munchausen slash Baron Platzil yet, 805 00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:48.760 but I saw Invention for Destruction for the first time 806 00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:53.280 earlier this year. You're just gobsmacked and it's and then 807 00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:57.280 there's something about the humor in this film that's very 808 00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:03.679 like proto Python visuals, like very like proto Terry Gilliam 809 00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:06.519 and that reminds me of other like Czech films, because 810 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.159 there's something there's so much about the cremator that's very 811 00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:16.000 gillium esque and I know, obviously because he talks about 812 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.679 it a lot Zemen, but it's just like how widely 813 00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.760 seen was this Obviously we've talked a bit about the 814 00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:27.559 the English language dub, but it just yeah, it just 815 00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.599 seems like it was ahead of the curve, but also 816 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:36.480 drawing on earlier local filmmakers as well to just create 817 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:39.880 something so as we said, creative and original. 818 00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:43.199 Yeah, I did get that release in America. I think 819 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.280 in the sixties. I think it was quite widely seen 820 00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:48.159 around Europe as well. I think the Eastern Bloc countries. 821 00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:50.760 I think some West European countries. I think Latin America 822 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:54.639 it was shown in. Yeah, I think some Latin American countries. 823 00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:58.880 It was shown widely at film festivals. There's a wonderful 824 00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:03.199 story about that. Lipsky tells about Henry Fonder watching it 825 00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:06.039 at Colovi Vari in the company of I think it's 826 00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:09.639 Cliff Robertson and Jack Valenti, and he said that Henry 827 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:11.960 Fonder apparently loved it and he just like give Ford 828 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.599 all the way through it and apparently loved it so 829 00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:18.239 much that he even told Peter Fonder. And then I think, 830 00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:20.239 like in the eighties, I think it was screened again 831 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:24.159 at Klovi Vari on the request of Peter Fonder. So yeah, 832 00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:26.760 I think it did. I think it did create some impact. 833 00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:29.199 I think it was shown initially at the sam Sebastian 834 00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:32.159 Film Festival, and he says that Nicholas Ray was there 835 00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:34.920 and Nicholas Ray was laughing through it as well, and 836 00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:39.239 I think it did create some, yeah, some international impact. 837 00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.079 Going back to the Gilly Yeah, I think that's true 838 00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.199 about the connection with Gilliam I think, and the python 839 00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.239 s humor. I think the connection with Zemon I feel 840 00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:52.000 that there is a very zeman s quality to that 841 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:56.079 sequence with like the funeral procession that Hoga Fogo is narrating, 842 00:48:56.119 --> 00:49:00.239 because you have that layering of real actors against kind 843 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:03.199 of a painted backdrop. And yeah, to me, that's very 844 00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.360 zayman esque. And it reminds me actually that I think 845 00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:10.199 Badetchka wrote some of the script for Invention for Destruction. 846 00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:12.239 So as you say, I think there is a lot 847 00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:16.000 of interconnection between people on this film and people on 848 00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:19.679 a lot of the animated films and the new wave films. 849 00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:21.920 And oh, when speaking of the Cremator, of course your 850 00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.119 I hurts does have a little role in this as 851 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:26.960 the gambler. I love the fact that he does, think. 852 00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:29.079 I don't think he even says anything, but he's just 853 00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:31.639 there with a monocle and a top. 854 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:34.920 Hat and and he loses his wig. If that's the 855 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:35.639 same guy. 856 00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.880 Yeah, yeah, is that the dude? It might be a 857 00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:42.559 I think they're at the same table, aren't they, I think, yeah, 858 00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:45.199 when yeah, I can't remember if yeah. 859 00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:51.000 And then of course Vladimir Menshik is in the Cromata 860 00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:56.679 as the recurring, like abusive husband who just keeps turning 861 00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:59.880 up at these different events and being horrible. 862 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:03.960 I want to know where the image of an undertaker 863 00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:08.199 with the top hat and those little black glasses, because 864 00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:10.960 we get one of those, like the undertaker is very 865 00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:15.639 happy about all the chaos that's happening in town. Count Yeah, 866 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:18.480 it kind of reminds me of again going back to 867 00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:21.079 Fist full of Dollars where Clint Easwood's. 868 00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:24.599 Get three coffins ready, I mistake for coffins. 869 00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:34.920 And there's a point it's either in Fist full of 870 00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:38.920 Dollars or in your Jimbo where the undertakers. Listen, this 871 00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:40.920 is going to come to a point where I can't 872 00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:43.519 even keep up with this stuff anymore. I've just seen 873 00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:46.480 that image, like when you see these little black glasses 874 00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:50.960 with the chain going, that is the image of an undertaker. 875 00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:54.239 And I'm like, was that one guy? Was that a drawing? 876 00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:58.199 Like how do we all associate undertakers with this outfit? 877 00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.440 Because you're talking about Monty Python and I was thinking 878 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:00.960 of the whore. 879 00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:02.920 Now there's three things we can do with your mum. 880 00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:07.800 We can burier burner or damper dumper in the times 881 00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:11.679 what oh, did you like her? Yes, Oh, well, we 882 00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:12.480 won't dump with him. 883 00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.559 And I'm pretty sure that the guys that take the 884 00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:18.039 coffin out are dressed very similar to this. 885 00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:19.840 It does mess with your head a bit, doesn't it. 886 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:21.880 I find the same really that there are lots of 887 00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.079 things where I think, yeah, that's obviously a trope that 888 00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:28.719 existed long before this, And yet when you I try 889 00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:31.920 and think of a more perfect example, I can't, because yeah, 890 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:35.559 it just it just typifies those kind of iconic figures, 891 00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:36.639 doesn't it really? 892 00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:42.880 And Grimpo just eating everything, It's both. It's both pythonesque, 893 00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:46.119 and I love how like Hogo Fogo goes oh he's 894 00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:52.079 a vegetarian. His energy Grimpost reminds me a little bit 895 00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.599 of like Harpo Marks of just he will just destroy 896 00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:59.679 things because that's what he does for me. 897 00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:03.639 He reminds me of Mango from Blazing Saddles, And I 898 00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:06.559 think this would be a great double feature with Blazing 899 00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:10.599 Saddles because they both descure Westerns so much in different ways. 900 00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:14.719 But this could just as easily be rock Ridge, with 901 00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:18.480 the way that everybody is fighting all the time and 902 00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:21.440 just the chaos of it. This really seems to appreciate 903 00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:25.599 the whole idea of comic Western. We've had comic westerns before, 904 00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.760 of course, Kapaloo and all those things, but this has 905 00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:33.960 that same chaos, that same manic energy that A Blazing 906 00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:37.239 Saddles does for me. And as you're saying the whole 907 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:41.320 thing about the Acme Hardware Company, I'm just realizing right now. 908 00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:43.360 And I don't know why it took so long that 909 00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:46.519 every single sign in this movie is all in English. 910 00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:48.559 It just did not dawn on me before. 911 00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:52.719 It does either assume like a bit high level of 912 00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:56.679 English literacy amongst the audience, or it just goes, oh, 913 00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:01.360 that's fine that those jokes some of some folks will 914 00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:03.880 get and some folks won't, but it just, yeah, lends 915 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:08.920 to the authenticity, and some of them so sly, especially 916 00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:13.960 in like the temperance slash like the Goodman's or are 917 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.840 they good men or good men? I don't know, Father 918 00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:23.079 and Daughter's Saloon. They have things like better buy than borrow. 919 00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:28.000 It's just yeah, very capitalist. And then and then other 920 00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:33.239 sort of more temperancy things like Bacchus has drowned more 921 00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:38.360 souls than Neptune. It's quite like a hypher lutin reference. 922 00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:42.800 I think there's one that I can't actually remember seeing 923 00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:44.800 in the film that I've read about it, where I 924 00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:48.480 think Tornado Loo has a sign I think the feeling 925 00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:51.400 that says something like I can't remember the exact line, 926 00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:54.079 but it's something like there is no success without hard work, 927 00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:57.800 or something like that. I've read Lipsky write about it. 928 00:53:57.920 --> 00:53:59.920 I've read a little little piece where he says about 929 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.119 because I think that was the thing that Henry Fonder 930 00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:04.880 laughed at. I think so, yeah, he says this was 931 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:07.519 like the funniest moment, but I yeah, I'm trying to 932 00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:09.880 jog my memory of where it actually appears. But yeah, 933 00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:13.159 there are a lot of those little throwaway English jokes, 934 00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:13.840 aren't they like that? 935 00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:18.559 Yeah, although that seems very close to our bite smacked fry. 936 00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:22.079 Yes, yes, that's true, the like. 937 00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:28.440 German big business associations with the with the Holocaust and 938 00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:32.840 this being like less than twenty years after the end 939 00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:33.320 of the war. 940 00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:38.559 I love when the saloon comes back after Hogo Fogo 941 00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:41.320 comes to town and he does his best to say 942 00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:44.639 drinking lemonade is not mainly alcoholic. 943 00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:47.199 Beverages are made for men, and you all look like. 944 00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:51.239 Men, and that's a real man's drink, and he brings 945 00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:54.880 all the business back, business booming so well that a 946 00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:57.480 woman will be walking down the steps with a man, 947 00:54:57.639 --> 00:54:59.719 a prostitute, I should say, We'll be walking down the 948 00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:02.599 steps with the man, and the next guy is right 949 00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:04.239 in line and will just pick her up and take 950 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:07.440 her right back upstairs. That's how well they're doing as 951 00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:09.119 far as business comes. 952 00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:12.239 Just and go back to some of the editing things, 953 00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:16.280 the fact that like after Hogo Foger goes into the 954 00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:19.280 bar and says, I say foi takola loca, and then 955 00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:22.199 you just have and you have him just making a 956 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:25.639 point of it, but then you have just the patrons 957 00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:30.519 just disappearing, until we're left with Ezra Goodman and Winnifred 958 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:34.599 Goodman just standing by themselves because everyone's just given into 959 00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:38.239 the appeals to their masculine insecurities. 960 00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:42.599 You want a real man's drink, don't you. I'm like, okay, yeah, 961 00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:43.480 we'll go over there. 962 00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:46.960 I love when he comes in Hogo Foger, the first 963 00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:49.880 time you see him and he comes into the saloon 964 00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:53.159 and it hasn't had enough business that everyone is there 965 00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:56.920 covered in cobwebs, including Grimple. 966 00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:01.159 And Doug is there's a customer. He's just angry that 967 00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:04.800 Grimpo isn't just like stepping to Immediately. 968 00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:07.800 It drops a bottle on his head as Doug's just 969 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:11.159 lounging on top of the piano. And then the way 970 00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:15.079 that Hogo Fogo comes over and like reaches inside of 971 00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:19.360 Tornado Lose Bodice and just pulls out a whole bunch 972 00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:23.760 of flowers. He goes over to Grimpo and it rubs 973 00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.199 his cane across his head. Grimpo starts to eat it. 974 00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:31.320 He pulls a cigarette from behind Grimpo's ear and then 975 00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:35.960 starts to light the cigarette very Klauskinski and four a 976 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.519 few dollars more, but he lights it off of his face. 977 00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:43.199 And then he leaves Grimpo there with two rabbits in 978 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:43.760 either hand. 979 00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:46.880 It's like and the flowers that he takes from Tornado 980 00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:50.599 lose bosom. She throws them away and then they explode 981 00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:52.320 because of course the magic flowers. 982 00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:56.599 The edit of when he goes into the Lemonade Bar, 983 00:56:56.960 --> 00:57:02.119 Lemonade Joe Bar, the Temperance Bar, and he pulls off 984 00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:06.199 his incredible beard like he has and I guess it's 985 00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:06.920 the sheriff. 986 00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:10.480 Who it is the sheriff. Yeah, I checked and paused it. So, 987 00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:12.480 oh yeah, there's a sheriff badge. 988 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:16.320 We don't really see the law in this at all. 989 00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:20.440 And he's quickly dispatched too, But he has the wanted 990 00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:23.400 poster for hog Fogo, and we have this whole little montage. 991 00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:25.519 It takes quite a long time, doesn't it, to his 992 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:27.119 face the poster. 993 00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:30.679 His eyes, someone who suffers from a degree of face blindness. 994 00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:33.440 I was like, this is funny, but also I feel 995 00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:37.559 your pain, man. And then his dispatch of the sheriff 996 00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:41.000 is just it's just brutal, guns him down with the 997 00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:45.119 fake arms. It's just it's just so quick. It's like 998 00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:48.360 Obi Wan in Star Wars, but just evil. 999 00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.360 It's so nice that we just have this big saloon 1000 00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:54.920 set and we're just going to redress it and retint 1001 00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:58.760 it for what we've got with the temperance bar versus 1002 00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:02.119 the evil a loon, and it's just the same, darn barn. 1003 00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:04.960 We even still have the same to bar men working. 1004 00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:05.800 To go back and forth. 1005 00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:09.599 Don't they be too, they're very good barman. The one 1006 00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:12.039 guy who's not Vladimir Menshik, the way that he is 1007 00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:14.679 just like whipping those bottles down the calendar. 1008 00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:19.920 And then I love going back right to the beginning, 1009 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:23.840 where you've got the kill Devil cocktail that's that they 1010 00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:26.800 keep I don't notice though it's pepper. They're dumping into 1011 00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:29.840 that something to make it like even stronger. And then 1012 00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:33.519 you've got like the skull cup that Winifred dumps on 1013 00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:36.559 the floor and of course it burns through the floor 1014 00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:40.559 like it's alien blood. And it's so great it gives 1015 00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:45.000 me an excuse to mention that menschik is in It's 1016 00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:51.079 like the lead in Esther Cronbachover's murdering It's it turns 1017 00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:53.440 to be it's translated as murdering the devil, but like 1018 00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:56.519 may being a pedant, and there's no articles in check anyway. 1019 00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:59.800 It's it should be murdering a devil because that character 1020 00:58:59.920 --> 00:59:04.400 is not like Lucifer himself. He's he's like a very 1021 00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:11.000 low ranking diabolical functionary. But that film is so good 1022 00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:14.960 and shares like the visual flare of of this. This 1023 00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:18.400 seems to be one of the few films from this 1024 00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:22.000 time period of like of note that crombeck Over was 1025 00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:25.400 not involved with, because she seems to be like MVP 1026 00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:28.519 of czechoslovaccent cinema of the sixties and seventies. 1027 00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:31.239 But it is surprising, though, yeah, that she didn't work 1028 00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:34.000 on it, because yes, she did work on She worked 1029 00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:36.239 on The Man from Outer Space with Lipsky. In fact, 1030 00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:38.960 I think that was one of her earliest productions that 1031 00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:42.239 she worked on. Really, yeah, it is maybe there was 1032 00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:46.199 some kind of hidden sort of collaboration somewhere, but yeah, 1033 00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:48.199 as far as I know, yeah, she didn't, but yeah, 1034 00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:51.000 it would have seemed appropriate. 1035 00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:50.800 I guess. 1036 00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:54.360 Yeah, I'm very surprised, Yeah, that she wasn't involved in this. 1037 00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:58.840 I think this whole month because we're doing some newer films, 1038 00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:01.840 that she might have been tired by that point or dead, 1039 01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:05.000 that she's not involved in everything this month. But yes, 1040 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:08.519 she will be mentioned next week when we talk about 1041 01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:11.039 Romance for Bugle, because she did all the outfits in 1042 01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:11.599 that one too. 1043 01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:15.400 I believe actually the costume design on this film had 1044 01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:19.960 some input from Bodetka himself. And that's really interesting, isn't 1045 01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:22.360 it that as well as being a screenwriter, he also 1046 01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:25.079 had some involvement in the look of the film and 1047 01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:28.559 in the credits. And I think it's the same too 1048 01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:31.239 in Adela hasn't had Supper yet. You just get this credit, 1049 01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:34.599 which is something like artistic collaboration as something that's very 1050 01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:38.360 broad category. And I like the fact that, yeah, there 1051 01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:41.880 wasn't this kind of hard division between being a writer 1052 01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:46.280 and being involved in other aspects of the production. And 1053 01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:48.920 from what I've seen, when I've seen like stills from 1054 01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:51.800 the production, it seems Bodetka was there with Lipski and 1055 01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:55.800 that he was giving his input onto like the look 1056 01:00:55.880 --> 01:01:00.440 of the costumes or on the sort of compositions, and yeah, 1057 01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:02.559 it seems that he had a very intensive level of 1058 01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:04.880 contruct I think even maybe some of the illustrations of 1059 01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:07.360 his possibly too, because they look very much like the 1060 01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:10.199 illustrations that we see in Adela hasn't had supper yet 1061 01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:13.159 and like some of Bidetka's own sketches, and so I 1062 01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:15.039 think that a lot of the yeah, the look of 1063 01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:16.719 the film is down to him too. 1064 01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:19.760 Really, I kind of love that. I kind of love 1065 01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:22.000 that he was so involved in this and it wasn't 1066 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:24.440 one of these oh, thanks for the idea, We're just 1067 01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:26.840 gonna do this stuff without you. But yeah, when I 1068 01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:29.159 saw that he had screenwriting credit, I was like, oh, 1069 01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:32.719 that's great. I'm really glad and to hear the yeah, 1070 01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:36.320 I really hadn't thought about those sketches, because whenever I 1071 01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:38.199 think about it, Dala hasn't ed or sub yet. I 1072 01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:41.119 just immediately go to the whole funkfire thing when it 1073 01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:46.119 comes to the creature design and obviously very little shop 1074 01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:48.519 of horrors when it comes to how a Dala looks. 1075 01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:51.480 It's a bit confusing, I think because of the fact 1076 01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:55.599 that Bidechka produced so many animated films and yet didn't 1077 01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:58.559 tend to do the visual design. So it can be 1078 01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:03.119 a bit confusing because he actually was a gifted artist himself. 1079 01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:06.800 He was a gifted illustrator, but yeah, he tended to 1080 01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:11.039 leave the visual design of the animations to somebody else 1081 01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:14.159 like he would work with Yeah, I think Camill low 1082 01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:16.599 Tech for example, or even like Evis schwank Mayer of 1083 01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:19.840 on one of the short films. But yeah, I think 1084 01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:23.760 he still had this sort of visual talent, and yeah, 1085 01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:27.000 I think it's there in yeah, maybe the costumes and 1086 01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:30.280 in the stylization of the figures really, because they are 1087 01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:34.239 like cartoon figures, aren't they Really, it's very precise. Each 1088 01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:38.039 character is very precisely designed. And looking at the hog, 1089 01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:41.239 looking at the hog Fogo character again, I recently watched 1090 01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:45.760 The Frontier Marshall, the Alan Duan film from the forties, 1091 01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:49.159 which I read was an inspiration on this film. And 1092 01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:51.920 I think the way Hogo Phogo looks it's very similar 1093 01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:55.480 to the way Doc Halliday looks in that film. And 1094 01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:58.400 I guess it's also just a generic kind of like 1095 01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:02.679 baddie costume, isn't it really? But it's very Yeah, it's 1096 01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:04.400 very visually precise, isn't it. 1097 01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:05.320 Yeah. 1098 01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:10.199 I wanted to tip my chapeau to whoever. I guess 1099 01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:14.360 it would be the costume designers Yurie with Spadetska and 1100 01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:20.760 for nan Vacha for yeah. The hat game is I 1101 01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:23.599 know nothing about hats, but it is very strong, and 1102 01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:27.360 particularly hog Fogo's hat just looks so I am a 1103 01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:31.039 very evil guy. It's an excellent hat. And then in 1104 01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:35.239 a different way, because he's more the businessman, Doug has 1105 01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:40.360 his like top hat which just has like ruthless tycoon 1106 01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:43.760 about it as well, And of course you get the 1107 01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:48.519 hat joke when mean prank really in the bar early 1108 01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:51.920 on with Winifred and Ezra, where like they do their 1109 01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:56.280 temperance pitch and one of the cowboy tofts like pulls 1110 01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:59.360 the brim down and like Rex his hat. There's Yeah, 1111 01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:02.199 there's a lot of desecration of clothing in this in 1112 01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:03.159 this film as well. 1113 01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:06.039 One of the questions I have actually is in the 1114 01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:08.719 scene where they desecrate and they kind of pour all 1115 01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:11.199 they kind of ketch up and the sort of ikey 1116 01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:14.119 looking things over Joe's costume. They put the hat on, 1117 01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:16.599 don't they, And then I think it's like tabasco sauce 1118 01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:20.119 or something, isn't it. This is very like viscous, horrible, 1119 01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:23.039 kind of messy sort of substance that pulls over his 1120 01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:25.880 head and they seem to pull the brim of the 1121 01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:29.360 hat off, and then I've never been quite sure what 1122 01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:32.239 he's meant to look like, but I always feel there's 1123 01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:34.679 meant to be some reference point that I'm not getting 1124 01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:36.719 there because they he has this it's almost like a 1125 01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:39.719 sort of a Turkish like a pasha or something. And 1126 01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:42.480 then the mustache, and I'm I always wonder whether it 1127 01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:45.920 was the I remember the name of the karl My character. 1128 01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:49.159 There's a karl My character that was I think like 1129 01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:53.239 it's like a traveler and I've written down somewhere I 1130 01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:54.039 think it's like Karma. 1131 01:04:55.880 --> 01:04:58.000 Yeah, I know it's that old shatter Hand, which was 1132 01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:00.519 like his big thing or when it how. 1133 01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:01.760 Was this other big one? 1134 01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:06.119 But yeah, he had a whole karl My what a 1135 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:10.480 wild career, and well, so many movies based on his stuff. 1136 01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:13.440 One of the interesting things here is the fact that 1137 01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:15.440 I think of all the things that it refers to, 1138 01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:19.880 it doesn't really have any reference to Native Americans. And 1139 01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:23.719 I believe that was simply just because, according to Bodechka, 1140 01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:26.400 he just wasn't interested in that theme. But yeah, I 1141 01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:28.800 think that's the only sort of a mission, isn't it, 1142 01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:33.079 Which is surprising when you think of like how the 1143 01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:36.920 karl My influence was so strong, like in Central Europe, 1144 01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:40.320 and then there was that whole genre in East Germany 1145 01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:42.599 of the what they call the Indiana film where they 1146 01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:45.800 had they've just switched it around and the sort of 1147 01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:48.239 the Native Americans were the good guys and then the 1148 01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:52.559 American colonizes with the bad guys. And yeah, this is 1149 01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:54.519 an interesting absence here. 1150 01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:57.239 I think the one thing I'd say on that is, 1151 01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:01.519 I think you do see like a stereotype like carving 1152 01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:05.320 of an indigenous person. And also in one of the songs, 1153 01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:06.840 because I had to look this up because I just 1154 01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:09.800 I was just like, what is that name? There's a 1155 01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:17.000 reference to to Manitou. I didn't know who or what 1156 01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:20.480 that was, so I had to look that up. And 1157 01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:26.519 the references is that is that even Manitou will get 1158 01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:31.519 a taste for trigger whiskey. It's it is what's a 1159 01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:34.199 taste for firewater? I think is how it's translated in 1160 01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:39.199 the in the caption. Yeah, but yeah, generally is that 1161 01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:41.320 it is absent. 1162 01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:44.559 Jonathan I just posted in the chat. Is that Crara 1163 01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:45.599 ben name? 1164 01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:46.599 That's think? 1165 01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:49.679 Yeah, that's the one, okay, Yeah, because that hat and 1166 01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:53.760 mustache looks like what they turned Joe into. 1167 01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:56.239 Yeah, that would be interesting if so, because yeah, it's 1168 01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:59.159 I don't think they're actually Western themed stories. I think 1169 01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:02.840 it's about yeah, carmage, Yeah, one of these other sort 1170 01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:06.199 of adventure stories about these travels through the Middle East, 1171 01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:08.079 I think, and the Yeah, it's one of those things 1172 01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:12.039 that's a little bit like out of the context. But yeah, 1173 01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:14.599 it is a strange moment, that isn't it? And I 1174 01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:16.639 guess like costume is so important, isn't it? All the 1175 01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:18.840 way through the movie, the fact that the city's called 1176 01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:22.639 Stetson City, and that announces right away that it's all 1177 01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:25.960 about ties into the theme of masquerade, doesn't it, and 1178 01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:29.760 performance really and the idea that I guess you have, 1179 01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:33.639 like the image, and then the image is concealing something. 1180 01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:38.199 So Joe, yeah, represents this appearance of something that's good 1181 01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:40.440 and that's moral, but behind that there is this very 1182 01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:43.239 shrewd like profiteering attitude. 1183 01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:48.920 And yeah, because of course, the what causes Lou to 1184 01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:55.760 turn on him is that he rejects her advances and 1185 01:07:56.239 --> 01:07:59.000 she's saved his life a couple of times, and he 1186 01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:03.280 tries to pay her and and I think he calls 1187 01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:06.800 her like a poor wretch because she just fancies him 1188 01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:10.360 and there's no fiscal gain to be had, and he's 1189 01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:13.719 just no, this doesn't make sense to me, like non 1190 01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:19.760 transactional relationships just do not compute for Joe. And rather 1191 01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:22.359 than trying to give her this check for five bucks, 1192 01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:25.920 like he doesn't try and pass it to into it 1193 01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:27.840 give it to her in her hand, he tries to 1194 01:08:28.039 --> 01:08:30.920 stuff it in her cleavage. And this is it's like, 1195 01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:32.479 why don't you just give it to her like a 1196 01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:36.199 normal person, Like this isn't like in a strip club, 1197 01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:40.439 because even though she's like a performer, it's like they're backstage. 1198 01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:44.239 Can you not just treat her like a normal human, please? 1199 01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:44.520 Joe? 1200 01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:47.039 And he's just like, I don't know anything about this, 1201 01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:49.960 and he's he's the worst. 1202 01:08:51.359 --> 01:08:53.760 Yeah, it's interesting that he's the hero, but he is 1203 01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:57.439 just so clueless so often, and you're like, okay, Like 1204 01:08:58.119 --> 01:08:59.960 I kind of revel when bad things. 1205 01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:04.840 Have him in the scene where he's tortured essentially, or 1206 01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:08.239 his costume is tortured, you don't really that could actually 1207 01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:10.560 play out quite unpleasantly. But I don't think you really 1208 01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:12.760 feel that sorry for him, do you really? I think 1209 01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:14.119 in a way you feel this is a little bit 1210 01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:16.439 of a come up into there. I think I would 1211 01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:17.439 root for Tonado Loo. 1212 01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:20.960 I think in that scene, going back to the costume stuff, 1213 01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:24.800 that is such an important moment, as when he after 1214 01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:28.000 he gets shot, I think he comes back. It's almost 1215 01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:31.079 like his resurrection, and he's then wearing a different outfit 1216 01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:33.159 he's wearing in it. I could be wrong as far 1217 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:36.039 as the timeline goes, but that they switch from that 1218 01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:39.920 all white fringe game that he's got going and then 1219 01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:42.119 now he's wearing like a black and white type of 1220 01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:45.760 outfits as ooh, you're embracing the darker side, because obviously, 1221 01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:48.319 when you have a movie where you've got characters named 1222 01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:52.079 badman and good men, of course the costumes are going 1223 01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:54.279 to reflect that. When it comes to the black hats 1224 01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:56.840 and the white hats and Joe embracing more of that 1225 01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:03.199 moral neutral stands, Oh, this is a big deal. Look 1226 01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:05.479 at that outfit. When he comes back and is going 1227 01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:09.600 to take care of some business, he's already literally spanked 1228 01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:12.600 Hogo Fogo in one scene, which. 1229 01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:15.279 Is like a rag doll. 1230 01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:18.119 That kind of makes sense thematically, doesn't it, Because I 1231 01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:20.640 think when he's wearing the black outfit, that's when he 1232 01:10:20.760 --> 01:10:24.520 meets at the gambling table with Hogo Fogo. And this 1233 01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:27.760 is something that I got more of from watching it 1234 01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:30.920 again that it seems like he's trying to make a 1235 01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:32.600 deal with him, isn't he, Or he's trying to get 1236 01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:35.000 to me. It seems like he's trying to get Hogo 1237 01:10:35.079 --> 01:10:40.319 Fogo to endorse the Cola logo. It's this fascinating idea 1238 01:10:40.520 --> 01:10:43.399 that I guess Hogo Fogo two is a celebrity, isn't it, 1239 01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:45.680 Because of course there's the magazine with his name on it, 1240 01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:48.720 and I guess he represents another kind of fame. So 1241 01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:52.960 even if you're infamy. Yeah, so even if you're famous 1242 01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:56.680 for being really evil, it's still celebrity and it still 1243 01:10:56.760 --> 01:10:58.119 works as a promotional tool. 1244 01:10:58.239 --> 01:10:59.960 There's no such thing as bad publicity. 1245 01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:00.239 See. 1246 01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:02.279 I don't know if we want to give away the 1247 01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:06.199 big twist that comes later on in the movie when 1248 01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:09.760 it comes to chocolate birthmark that Hogo Fogo and his 1249 01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:12.960 brother both have, which kind of reminded me a little 1250 01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:15.880 bit of lust than the dust of all things with 1251 01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:20.760 the birthmark, the trope that goes on in there. But 1252 01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:22.800 real quick, before I forget, I did want to talk 1253 01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:25.560 about how much I love the use of I can't 1254 01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:28.760 really say smoke signals, but the use of smoke in 1255 01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:33.600 order to telegraph messages, like when Doug is standing behind 1256 01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:36.359 the guy at the poker table and he blows out 1257 01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:39.399 smoke rings that look like four eights, or when he's 1258 01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:42.760 on the porch of the saloon and he blows some 1259 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:45.840 smoke rings and it says Joe, and the smoke goes 1260 01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:49.560 inside of the saloon to alert Hogo Fogo and Grimpo. 1261 01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:52.880 I did wonder whether that's a reference to the fact 1262 01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:55.279 that this is the worst you do have Native American 1263 01:11:55.920 --> 01:11:58.920 indigenous folks and like smoke signals are a thing, and 1264 01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:00.520 maybe that was a reference to that. 1265 01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:01.960 I don't know, but yeah. 1266 01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:06.359 Another example of things being communicated visually with words on screen, 1267 01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:13.039 and a favorite like joke of mine is the poster 1268 01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:18.680 of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. And it's in English again, 1269 01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:21.680 but George Washington says, if I was still alive, I 1270 01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:26.760 would drink only Cola Loca lemonade, and Abraham Lincoln says 1271 01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:31.920 me too. And that's super dark because it's eighteen eighty five, 1272 01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:35.640 so he's only been assassinated twenty years ago, and had 1273 01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:39.439 he not been assassinated, he'd be seventy six, which is 1274 01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:43.640 a good innings in the nineteenth century. But he could 1275 01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:46.840 still feasibly be alive. So I joke about him not 1276 01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:49.720 being alive, but if he were, he'd be drinking, he'd 1277 01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:53.439 be He's endorsing this product is just again it's like 1278 01:12:53.760 --> 01:13:00.279 knitting the commerce and capitalism and patriotism together. It's it's 1279 01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:04.119 like the message that it's satirizing is you can't be 1280 01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:07.439 a good patriot unless you're buying stuff, and you're buying 1281 01:13:07.479 --> 01:13:11.319 the right the sort of like the state endorsed product. 1282 01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:12.960 And then in terms of like going back to the 1283 01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:16.800 name things, I've thought, maybe this is a massive overread, 1284 01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:19.079 but the fact that it's lemonade Joe, maybe it just 1285 01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:23.520 sounds good. Or maybe it's a reference to Joe McCarthy 1286 01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:28.680 and McCarthyism and just like that paranoia about communism and 1287 01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:31.720 just being and if you're paranoid about communism, you have 1288 01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:35.239 to be hyper capitalist. And then at the other end 1289 01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:37.960 of things, the fact he's Joe, maybe this is also 1290 01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:43.279 Uncle Joe, and this is an ostensibly benevolent figure who 1291 01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:46.479 is like out for the good and trying to help 1292 01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:51.479 everyone and a benevolent dictator, except like he just what 1293 01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:54.760 he really wants to do is just shoot people. So 1294 01:13:55.560 --> 01:14:01.239 maybe a massive overread, but something about the actuality not 1295 01:14:01.399 --> 01:14:05.159 living up to the propaganda, Yeah, I'd not thought of that, 1296 01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:08.199 but I think, yeah, very plausible, because I think there 1297 01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:12.520 was a tendency to use other things to critique communism, 1298 01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:16.000 and that could be there, I think. And I also 1299 01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:22.039 wondered whether the escalation of the war between the two 1300 01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:27.079 Saloons is maybe like a super sly commentary on the 1301 01:14:27.159 --> 01:14:30.439 superpower rivalry of however them it's just stuck in the middle, 1302 01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:34.640 while these two ideological opposites are just duking it out 1303 01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:38.840 and there's like this escalation going on. One of the 1304 01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:43.199 things I liked in that as the competition escalates is that, 1305 01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:47.640 in terms of linking back to religion and temperance, is 1306 01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:53.800 that Winifred like her kind of religious scruples and presentation 1307 01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:57.600 like that is flexible, but like making the money is 1308 01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:00.840 like the non negotiable, because she goes from like when 1309 01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:04.800 we first see her like very prim like you only 1310 01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:07.920 see her face and hand. She's all covered up and 1311 01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:12.560 just very it's too early for Edwardian but like late 1312 01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:17.800 Victorian costume. But then when business is bad and they're 1313 01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:20.720 trying to bring it back, you see her like dancing 1314 01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:25.000 on the bar and she's got like her stockings and 1315 01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:27.720 she's making the most of the fact that she's got 1316 01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:33.479 very like long, conventionally attractive legs, and it's it's fine, 1317 01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:38.239 it's selling some lemonade. So it's like a progression of 1318 01:15:38.359 --> 01:15:41.840 that character or yeah, that side of things. 1319 01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:45.399 I think that's really true because that connects to what 1320 01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:48.399 Tornado Loo says towards the end, when she says I'm 1321 01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:52.000 going to open up. I think the subtitles translated as 1322 01:15:52.159 --> 01:15:55.680 like a parlor, but I think really it's referring to 1323 01:15:55.720 --> 01:15:57.800 a brothel. She's going to open up a brothel that 1324 01:15:57.960 --> 01:16:01.880 sells only Cola Loca lemon And then Ezra Goodman says, 1325 01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:04.279 I can't remember exactly what he says, but it's yes, 1326 01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:06.600 I approve of that. This is a noble intention. I 1327 01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:10.000 agree with this, and it's all okay because it's selling lemonade. 1328 01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:13.760 We were talking about that whole master of Disguise thing 1329 01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:16.479 with Hogo Fogo. One of my favorite bits is after 1330 01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:21.079 he kidnaps Winifred and he's carrying her down the street 1331 01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:24.119 and Joe sees them and comes up and taps him 1332 01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:26.560 on the shoulder, like what are you doing? And then 1333 01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:30.279 he turns around and suddenly has a whole beard and 1334 01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:33.039 glasses and all these things because we just saw him, 1335 01:16:33.079 --> 01:16:36.680 but just that cut, he changes outfits and it's, oh, 1336 01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:37.800 I'm the family doctor. 1337 01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:41.119 I'm never quite sure whether that's meant, because he's doing 1338 01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:44.319 that accent, which checks tended to do as like an 1339 01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:47.840 imitation of Germans, because he does the same in Adela 1340 01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:50.680 hasn't had supper yet, but can never work out. I 1341 01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:53.079 can never work out whether that's actually a little bit 1342 01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:56.800 of a anti Semitic caricature, because it sure looks like 1343 01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:59.920 I think it's meant to be a German speaking Jewish person, 1344 01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:05.159 and which is strange because I believe Kopetski himself was 1345 01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:08.439 half Jewish, so that would make it even more uncomfortable, 1346 01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:12.520 I think. And yeah, that's another it's another kind of 1347 01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:17.079 just slightly off element in it, along with the black face. 1348 01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:17.520 Of course. 1349 01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:22.520 About the black face, I obviously three white guys talking 1350 01:17:22.560 --> 01:17:27.880 about this, which never ideal. But I can't tell. I 1351 01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:30.920 can't tell whether it's like indulging in it or whether 1352 01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:37.039 it's satire satirizing it or both. I think it's probably both, 1353 01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:44.760 because yeah, it's just it's so much I guess, like 1354 01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:49.520 carefully observed to how like it exists in like British 1355 01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:55.319 and American like blackface, it's really like doing the trope hard. 1356 01:17:56.399 --> 01:17:59.520 But yeah, so to the extent that it's just even 1357 01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:01.760 like some of the like the dance, like the shapes 1358 01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:06.319 that he does it just it's clearly like the result 1359 01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:09.239 of some very like careful study. 1360 01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:12.000 But it's also just so gross. 1361 01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:15.640 Yeah, I agree. I think it is ambiguous, isn't it, 1362 01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:17.680 Because I mean, ah, I think there is a little 1363 01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:19.880 bit of a satirical element there, because there's that reference 1364 01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:22.319 to segregation, isn't there. I think the bagman said when 1365 01:18:22.359 --> 01:18:24.560 he sees he says, no, yeah, this is like whites only, 1366 01:18:24.760 --> 01:18:28.119 so there is that satirical But as you say, yeah, 1367 01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:30.840 I think otherwise it is. It's pretty unpleasant. 1368 01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:34.239 And I don't know whether this was in just in 1369 01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:38.920 the dubbed in the dubbed version, but when Lemonade Joke 1370 01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:42.560 is trying to get his endorsement, he says, here's a 1371 01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:44.439 contract to read if you can even read. 1372 01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:47.760 At that point, he does know that he's Hogo Fogo, 1373 01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:52.159 though right it feels like he's there with Doug and 1374 01:18:53.239 --> 01:18:56.800 hog Fogo and maybe even Low and Grimple, but I'm 1375 01:18:56.880 --> 01:18:59.960 not sure. But yeah, No, you were talking earlier about 1376 01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:02.479 what the influence of this film, and I figure if 1377 01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:05.159 there's an English dove of this, it had to be. 1378 01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:07.960 You said already it was shown here in the States. 1379 01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:11.840 I was wondering too, if this was such a Jonathan, 1380 01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:14.920 I know you've written extensively around Tomorrow Wake Up and 1381 01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:18.079 scolled myself with Tea and the showing of that on 1382 01:19:18.279 --> 01:19:20.760 what was a BBC two or whatever. And just like 1383 01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:24.159 how much of an impact that had. I was very 1384 01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:27.319 curious of this thing ever showed on like television, either 1385 01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:31.239 in Europe or in the States, because it just feels 1386 01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:34.439 like it was such an odd choice in a good 1387 01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:39.159 way that Facets put this out, Like this movie feels 1388 01:19:39.319 --> 01:19:42.720 like with Facets putting this out in the though, oh god, 1389 01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:46.279 what was that early two thousands? That seems late for VHS. 1390 01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:49.319 But I was just reading an article and it was 1391 01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:52.279 two thousand and two and it said Facet's putting this 1392 01:19:52.359 --> 01:19:53.239 out on VHS. 1393 01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:55.640 So it just feels like it was. 1394 01:19:55.680 --> 01:19:58.319 Amongst the pantheon of the stuff that they were putting 1395 01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:00.840 out to be put out with closely watched trains. And 1396 01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:03.800 I didn't realize that this was actually an entry for 1397 01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:07.199 the Oscars. They didn't put it into the Oscars, but 1398 01:20:07.279 --> 01:20:10.760 it was like the check submission for the oscar category. 1399 01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:14.279 Looking through that list that I found on Wikipedia, I 1400 01:20:14.399 --> 01:20:17.680 was just like, this is wild to see just how 1401 01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:23.000 many times Lipski's films were submitted for that stuff, and 1402 01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:26.439 just because again, at least here in twenty twenty five, 1403 01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:30.439 it feels like even amongst a lot of Czech film fans, 1404 01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:33.680 when I talk about older Schilipski. It's oh whatever, like 1405 01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:36.880 poo pood and stuff. But it's so just to read 1406 01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:41.640 the films used in nomination. So Lemonade, Joe sixty four 1407 01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:45.680 Shop on Main Street. Now everyone hopefully knows that's a 1408 01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:51.000 freaking classic. Loves of a Vallon, Closely Watched Trains, Firemen's Ball, 1409 01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:54.760 The Cremator, Days of Betrayal, Lovers in the Year One, 1410 01:20:55.039 --> 01:20:59.560 Circus and the Circus. Another Lipski film, One Silver Piece, 1411 01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:03.479 Carter and Prague, or Adele hasn't Etor's supper Yette for 1412 01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:07.079 seventy eight, Another e Lipski, Those Wonderful Men with a 1413 01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:10.680 Crank in seventy nine, Love between the rain Drops. I'm 1414 01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:12.479 going to quit reading this list because I'm just going 1415 01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:15.239 to go on forever up to ninety one. But yeah, 1416 01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:20.560 to have three Lipski's in that group is pretty remarkable 1417 01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:23.880 to me. But I know he has a little museum 1418 01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:27.119 in Prague, and that's one of the reasons I want 1419 01:21:27.159 --> 01:21:29.279 to go to Prague. And I don't know if my 1420 01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:32.840 wife realizes how much I love his films, but yeah, 1421 01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:35.159 I want to see this. I want to see like 1422 01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:38.520 they have like little vignettes of his films and stuff. 1423 01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:40.880 I'm like, yeah, I love this guy's. 1424 01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:44.439 Work, even if I guess they weren't always like critically well, 1425 01:21:44.479 --> 01:21:46.279 although I think they did tend to be critically well 1426 01:21:46.319 --> 01:21:49.800 received too, But yeah, they certainly were really popular. And 1427 01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:53.159 I believe Lemonade Joe itself, I think I've read it 1428 01:21:53.319 --> 01:21:56.920 was actually the biggest grossing film. It was the most yeah, 1429 01:21:57.039 --> 01:21:59.840 popular film I think in Czechoslovakia made in the sixties 1430 01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:03.600 think and obviously in itself is an amazing decade with 1431 01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:06.600 lots of other very popular and great films. So yeah, 1432 01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:08.159 it was in good companies and it. 1433 01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:09.039 Has to field. 1434 01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:12.199 Yeah, it was hugely successful, and yeah it had this 1435 01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:15.000 inter so I guess just in terms of the popularity 1436 01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:17.359 and just I think of how enduring it's been. I 1437 01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:19.800 think it's something that people still, I think in the 1438 01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:23.159 Czech Republic and Slovakia too, I think still tend to 1439 01:22:23.239 --> 01:22:25.359 know and I think still tend to quote from. I 1440 01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:29.319 think the sadly that I'll be backline has now been 1441 01:22:30.520 --> 01:22:34.239 stolen by the terminator, but I think that was, Yeah, 1442 01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:36.199 that's one of those lines that people do tend to know, 1443 01:22:36.520 --> 01:22:39.560 I think in Czech culture. Yeah, I guess in just 1444 01:22:39.640 --> 01:22:43.359 in terms of the popularity that it's had. There's a 1445 01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:47.479 really interesting essay by Pettishchapanik about this film and where 1446 01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:49.800 he puts it in the context of check comedy and 1447 01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:51.800 the Czech film industry at the time, and he says 1448 01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:54.720 that basically, this was a country there, I think in 1449 01:22:54.800 --> 01:22:57.640 the mid sixties, it was a country where people had 1450 01:22:57.680 --> 01:23:00.560 still not really seen many Westerns. I think since the 1451 01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:04.359 forties they'd only shown just like a handful of films. 1452 01:23:04.399 --> 01:23:06.239 I think they'd seem like high Noon, maybe like The 1453 01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:11.159 Magnificent Seven, but most people had very limited exposure to Westerns. 1454 01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:14.640 And he makes the point that although this is nominally 1455 01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:18.680 a parody, people were actually enjoying it because they just 1456 01:23:18.760 --> 01:23:20.560 got a chance to see a Western. So they were 1457 01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:24.319 just really indulging in just the sort of the settings 1458 01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:27.920 and in the kind of the stereotypes, and yeah, they 1459 01:23:27.960 --> 01:23:30.640 were actually enjoying it as a real Western. And I 1460 01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:32.680 think that's a really interesting point about a lot of 1461 01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:35.199 beef Chech parodies, because they were, in a way they 1462 01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:39.039 were parodying something that didn't really exist properly in Czechoslovakia 1463 01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:42.640 as a sort of a regular genre. So it's almost 1464 01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:44.960 like they were offering the real thing in the guise 1465 01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:45.640 of a parody. 1466 01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:49.720 Yeah, it's so interesting it working on those different those 1467 01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:52.760 different levels. And one of the things I've it's been 1468 01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:55.640 really fun knowing for a while that this was coming 1469 01:23:55.680 --> 01:23:58.800 up is I have like huge amounts of gaps in 1470 01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:03.000 terms of the Westerns, but I've watched and just watching 1471 01:24:03.079 --> 01:24:07.720 westerns to prepare myself to watch this, and like things 1472 01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:13.520 like the moment where Winifred talks to her dead mother's grave. 1473 01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:17.159 It's like, oh, I just saw this in in She 1474 01:24:17.279 --> 01:24:21.239 Wore a Yellow Ribbon. But that's it's something that happens 1475 01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:25.720 enough in films that whether you've specifically seen it in 1476 01:24:25.880 --> 01:24:30.159 a film before or not, it still seems like it's 1477 01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:33.840 like a very filmy thing to happen. It's a way 1478 01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:37.520 of the character monologuing. But with you can't just do 1479 01:24:37.680 --> 01:24:41.000 a soliloquy in a film, or you can, but it 1480 01:24:41.159 --> 01:24:44.520 gives like a focus to it. So that's being cool. 1481 01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:48.720 Going back to the dub and the languages in again 1482 01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:54.079 in the American dub version, is that that doctor character, yeah, 1483 01:24:54.159 --> 01:24:58.039 does have a German accent, and they also give Tornado 1484 01:24:58.199 --> 01:25:02.439 Loo a very it's slightly marlane a Dee trick, but 1485 01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:08.720 it's more actually like central Eastern European, and there's shades 1486 01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:13.319 of I can't believe I'm Greta Garbo's I'm drawing a 1487 01:25:13.439 --> 01:25:15.640 blank on one of the most and she even says 1488 01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:17.760 I need to be alone. I want to be alone 1489 01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:19.640 at some at some point, so she just has that 1490 01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:24.000 very and Winnifred makes a crack about her like wearing 1491 01:25:24.119 --> 01:25:27.560 like foreign perfume. So there's this kind of this sort 1492 01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:33.239 of satire of xenophobia as well, because she's like the exotic, 1493 01:25:33.439 --> 01:25:37.079 like foreign woman, the sort of and I think even 1494 01:25:37.159 --> 01:25:40.560 Doug actually calls her like a femme fatale at one point, 1495 01:25:41.479 --> 01:25:43.760 so it's playing on that as well. It's just it's 1496 01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:47.760 not even just playing on Westerns. It's there's a sort 1497 01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:51.439 of noir and horror thing off to the side as well. 1498 01:25:52.479 --> 01:25:55.039 There was something from nineteen ninety nine that I've been 1499 01:25:55.119 --> 01:25:59.479 trying to find more details about called Radio Lemonade Joe, 1500 01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:02.199 and it says that it was a documentary, and at 1501 01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:05.000 first I thought it was about there was apparently a 1502 01:26:05.159 --> 01:26:09.319 radio show called Radio Lemonade Joe, but it says that 1503 01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:14.640 either Carol Fiala was in it or maybe it's archive footage, 1504 01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:17.840 but I really wish I knew a little bit more 1505 01:26:17.840 --> 01:26:20.119 about that, And then I didn't know the whole thing 1506 01:26:20.239 --> 01:26:24.520 with who was it el Gorbachev in Lemonade. 1507 01:26:24.119 --> 01:26:27.880 Joe, Oh yeah, yeah about the wasn't it the the 1508 01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:32.359 attempt to it was like a campaign again drinking, wasn't it? 1509 01:26:32.439 --> 01:26:36.119 I think in RUSSI Yeah, alcoholism was just absolutely like 1510 01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:40.199 rampant in the Soviet Union. Because much as this film 1511 01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:45.600 satirizes capitalism, like communism in the format appears there is 1512 01:26:46.079 --> 01:26:48.000 pretty grim at times. So you had a lot of 1513 01:26:48.039 --> 01:26:52.119 people like, yeah, that being a coping mechanism. So yeah, 1514 01:26:52.199 --> 01:26:55.279 that was very early in his premiership, like he because 1515 01:26:55.319 --> 01:26:58.880 he took over in eighty five. And yeah, he was 1516 01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:02.000 called both lemon Joe in reference to this film, which 1517 01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:04.600 means it obviously traveled within the East Eastern Bloc. But 1518 01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:08.439 the other thing he was called was the Mineral Secretary 1519 01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:12.960 apparody on his actual job title of General Secretary. It 1520 01:27:13.119 --> 01:27:16.359 actually is as an a site like. One of one 1521 01:27:16.359 --> 01:27:20.199 of the reasons that Russia did, like Imperial Russia did 1522 01:27:20.279 --> 01:27:25.000 so badly in the First World War it's alcohol related, 1523 01:27:25.359 --> 01:27:28.520 was that the state thought that it's wartime. We can't 1524 01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:31.359 afford to have everyone just being drunk all the time, 1525 01:27:32.399 --> 01:27:37.600 so they like banned the sale of a vodka, except like, 1526 01:27:37.840 --> 01:27:42.000 taxes on vodka were just a massive revenue generator for 1527 01:27:42.119 --> 01:27:45.239 the state. So when they just turned the vodka taps off, 1528 01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:49.119 suddenly they just like, Oh, all this money we could 1529 01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:51.960 rely on in the budget is now gone. 1530 01:27:52.039 --> 01:27:52.520 What do we do? 1531 01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:54.680 So it's kind of like best laid plans. 1532 01:27:55.520 --> 01:28:00.319 And then I suppose that speaks to how badly prohibition works, 1533 01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:03.359 and that worked in the States. It's just like, yeah, 1534 01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:07.319 banning things you could try, but there's always the law 1535 01:28:07.399 --> 01:28:09.680 of unintended consequences. 1536 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.359 Which I never understood why people are so up in 1537 01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:15.199 arms and just the whole temperance movement. I'm just like, 1538 01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:19.079 are you just trying to impose your moral values and 1539 01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:19.680 other people? 1540 01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:19.800 Oh? 1541 01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:21.640 Yeah, okay, I guess that's what Americans do. 1542 01:28:22.720 --> 01:28:26.159 Genuinely, though, is just because when people say what time 1543 01:28:26.279 --> 01:28:28.680 in history would you really not want to I want 1544 01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:31.680 to live in, most people would answer like the medieval period. 1545 01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:37.600 My answer would probably be the nineteenth century because if 1546 01:28:37.680 --> 01:28:42.560 you like life as an agricultural like peasant really tough, 1547 01:28:42.760 --> 01:28:46.000 you're probably not going to live to a normal life expectancy. 1548 01:28:46.279 --> 01:28:48.880 But at least you're at least you're outside in the 1549 01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:52.680 fresh air, whereas like when those like agricultural jobs start 1550 01:28:52.760 --> 01:28:56.520 to go away, and because you've got mechanization and you 1551 01:28:56.680 --> 01:28:59.680 have to move to the city and live in a 1552 01:28:59.720 --> 01:29:04.399 slow and working like a factory for sixteen hours a day, 1553 01:29:05.319 --> 01:29:09.800 and like alcoholism again was absolutely rampant. And so because 1554 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:13.319 people like men were having a terrible time at their 1555 01:29:13.439 --> 01:29:17.399 jobs and like self medicating with like gin and spirits 1556 01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:21.239 and then just like taking out their anger on their partners. 1557 01:29:21.359 --> 01:29:25.439 There was like there was a reason that like the 1558 01:29:25.560 --> 01:29:30.079 temperance movement was taken up. Even if the cure was misguided, 1559 01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:33.920 there was definitely like a lot of suffering that it 1560 01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:35.520 was coming out of, and that was why it was 1561 01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:39.760 like embraced with the fervor that it wasn't purely just 1562 01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:44.600 being like busybodies. It was like responding to like just 1563 01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:48.840 horrible circumstances out in the world. And yeah, thinking that 1564 01:29:49.159 --> 01:29:49.960 was the cure. 1565 01:29:50.920 --> 01:29:53.560 I think there's a famous account by Angeles, isn't there 1566 01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:56.800 about Manchester in the nineteenth century and just the sort 1567 01:29:56.800 --> 01:29:59.760 of like the depth of alcohol. I'm from Manchester, so 1568 01:30:00.039 --> 01:30:01.920 can say this and that people would say it's maybe 1569 01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:04.439 not changed that much. But yeah, I think he talked 1570 01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:07.319 about that, about how drunk people were, and I guess 1571 01:30:07.359 --> 01:30:09.439 this is, yeah, the height of the sort of industrial 1572 01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:13.840 factory system. And yeah, as you say, it was responding 1573 01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:16.800 to this very squalid and pleasant reality. 1574 01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:22.039 Yeah, of just going how can we make sure that 1575 01:30:22.199 --> 01:30:29.239 we keep our margins like as as huge as we can, 1576 01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:30.000 and how. 1577 01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:30.439 Do we do that? 1578 01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:34.039 We just make wages of microscopic and just pay people 1579 01:30:34.359 --> 01:30:35.520 just enough to stay alive. 1580 01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:39.680 And that's it sounds like twenty twenty five and talking 1581 01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:41.760 about American middle class. 1582 01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:46.560 Yes, in the UK, we're still recovering from fifteen years 1583 01:30:46.600 --> 01:30:50.159 of the Tories just being like, let's just asset strip 1584 01:30:50.279 --> 01:30:53.640 this country again, and we still haven't recovered from the 1585 01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:57.439 last time they did that. And yeah, the Labor Party 1586 01:30:57.520 --> 01:31:02.039 in order to stay stay in with the media, it's 1587 01:31:02.279 --> 01:31:05.279 not even stay in, it's like they hate you. They're 1588 01:31:05.359 --> 01:31:10.279 just you can't plicate them. They're just being like, way 1589 01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:12.920 way more right wing than they should be. Sorry, I 1590 01:31:13.279 --> 01:31:16.039 stop editorializing, and we'll go back to talking about the film. 1591 01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:19.600 This film does have a like a timeless quality in 1592 01:31:19.720 --> 01:31:24.279 terms of big business and putting profits ahead of people 1593 01:31:24.920 --> 01:31:27.520 not always good, not always good. 1594 01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:29.800 Because I think that line is really telling, isn't he 1595 01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:33.640 Where he says the law comes with me? Or I 1596 01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:36.319 think in check it's some nopeed back on. So it's 1597 01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:38.439 literally the law comes with me. But it's like, I 1598 01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:39.439 am the law, isn't it? 1599 01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:39.880 I think? 1600 01:31:40.039 --> 01:31:42.319 And it's easy I basically judge tread. 1601 01:31:43.199 --> 01:31:45.920 I seem to remember in The Wild Bunch there is 1602 01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:49.560 a character who is I think he's the railroad. It's 1603 01:31:49.600 --> 01:31:51.960 like the big railroad magnate in the Wild Bunch, and 1604 01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:54.000 I think says a very similar thing, doesn't he, This 1605 01:31:54.119 --> 01:31:57.000 is I am, I represent the law, I think. And 1606 01:31:57.119 --> 01:32:00.199 again there's this similar kind of conflation of yet big 1607 01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:04.800 business of economic interest with politics and with government and 1608 01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:06.159 just being handed. 1609 01:32:07.840 --> 01:32:10.279 It's no small coincidence that you watch Once upon a 1610 01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:12.479 Time in the West right after this one ally so 1611 01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:16.479 like that whole thing with the railroad coming through and 1612 01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:20.520 just taking away the mythology of the West, the whole 1613 01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:25.640 thing of Harmonica and Cheyenne. Basically they were gods that 1614 01:32:25.760 --> 01:32:27.840 were had no place on earth anymore. 1615 01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:33.199 Both of these films referenced the Great Train Robbery in 1616 01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:37.319 that in that shooting at the screen scene that you get, 1617 01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:40.800 and that like we the audience are literally being shot 1618 01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:44.960 by the by the gunman on screen. So there's yeah, 1619 01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:48.039 like a thing about gun violence as well in this film, 1620 01:32:48.039 --> 01:32:53.760 which again sadly perennial slash evergreen theme. 1621 01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:56.920 It is interesting, isn't it that I suppose this binary 1622 01:32:57.039 --> 01:32:59.159 of the good and the battle. Yeah, it's like the 1623 01:32:59.239 --> 01:33:01.399 sort of black and white sort of hero and villain 1624 01:33:01.600 --> 01:33:03.560 that's very much kind of key to the sort of 1625 01:33:03.600 --> 01:33:07.880 Western iconography. And yet the thing that actually like undermines 1626 01:33:07.960 --> 01:33:10.960 that is capitalism itself, isn't it Because capitalism is a 1627 01:33:11.079 --> 01:33:13.560 moral and by the end of the film, that is 1628 01:33:13.680 --> 01:33:17.199 the thing. It's the force of the business interests that 1629 01:33:17.279 --> 01:33:21.000 have brought these two things together. And yeah, going back 1630 01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:22.800 to the phrase hand in globe, it just reminds me 1631 01:33:22.800 --> 01:33:24.560 of the fact that literally that's what you see, isn't 1632 01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:26.359 it when the two hands, Yeah. 1633 01:33:26.279 --> 01:33:30.399 Which is ironic. And then of course the Czechs and 1634 01:33:30.560 --> 01:33:38.359 Slovaks themselves, with their history, have strong perspectives on imperialism, 1635 01:33:38.600 --> 01:33:44.159 so they're very able to call out like in this 1636 01:33:44.359 --> 01:33:47.560 film when the Americans are doing it. But there's also 1637 01:33:47.680 --> 01:33:52.279 a by implication. Yeah, we've dealt with this both in 1638 01:33:52.399 --> 01:33:56.239 our history with the Austrians and the Germans and like 1639 01:33:56.640 --> 01:34:03.000 right now with the Soviets just being like, yeah, no, 1640 01:34:03.720 --> 01:34:07.359 you're a free, independent, socialist republic that better do what 1641 01:34:07.479 --> 01:34:08.039 they're told. 1642 01:34:08.840 --> 01:34:10.520 Because I think there is a line in one of 1643 01:34:10.640 --> 01:34:13.079 the songs. I think it's in the Arizona song in 1644 01:34:13.119 --> 01:34:17.439 the Cola Local Saloon, where I think Winnifred sings something 1645 01:34:17.600 --> 01:34:20.159 about something being a bit in the name of progress, 1646 01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:24.159 and that to me that reference progress. That does sound 1647 01:34:24.279 --> 01:34:27.319 very much in line with the kind of Soviet discourse. 1648 01:34:27.399 --> 01:34:30.760 I think that, yeah, we'd do it. We're progressing. It's 1649 01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:34.279 all about this great socialist, progressive future, which of course 1650 01:34:34.520 --> 01:34:39.439 was the way that they would just defy colonization. And yeah, 1651 01:34:39.880 --> 01:34:42.000 it's just one of those I can't remember how they 1652 01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:45.479 translate it, but yeah, it's definitely, yeah, definitely there, which 1653 01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:48.680 is Yeah, I think there is a few little jabs 1654 01:34:48.760 --> 01:34:51.079 like that. I don't know how much we can spoil 1655 01:34:51.159 --> 01:34:53.279 the ending, but yeah, I just love the idea that 1656 01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:56.279 something can be like non alcoholic and alcoholic at the 1657 01:34:56.319 --> 01:34:57.560 same time, for. 1658 01:34:57.680 --> 01:35:03.800 Both teetotalers and alcoholic and it reminds me of Patrick 1659 01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:07.439 Bateman because of it's like I'm in murders and execution, 1660 01:35:07.720 --> 01:35:08.800 murders and acquisitions. 1661 01:35:09.760 --> 01:35:12.880 There's an earlier line where Hogo Fogo says, I think 1662 01:35:12.920 --> 01:35:16.560 he says, in small quantities, alcohol can be beneficial in 1663 01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:19.760 any quantity, and that's just that to me, beats the light. 1664 01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:22.800 And there's that famous line in Anchorman. Isn't there that 1665 01:35:23.720 --> 01:35:25.920 sixty percent of the time? It works all of the time, 1666 01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:28.239 And to me, I think, I think hog Fogo is 1667 01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:31.000 it's slightly better. I think so slightly better formulation of 1668 01:35:31.079 --> 01:35:34.560 the same idea. I think that, yeah, in small quantities, 1669 01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:34.920 it's good. 1670 01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:37.840 In any quantity, cool a look can bring you back 1671 01:35:37.840 --> 01:35:38.359 from the deck. 1672 01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:43.560 The killing of Lemonade Joe is just surprisingly brutal. Hogo 1673 01:35:43.640 --> 01:35:45.640 Fogo just keeps shooting him. 1674 01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:48.359 It's just stop. He's already dead. 1675 01:35:48.439 --> 01:35:49.159 And then his. 1676 01:35:49.960 --> 01:35:54.479 Corpse is just smoke holding off it and I'm meant 1677 01:35:54.520 --> 01:35:56.920 to pause it and count how many bullet holes he 1678 01:35:57.039 --> 01:35:59.960 has in his torso, but it's just like a lot. 1679 01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:03.560 And and yeah, the end is just like an orgie 1680 01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:06.560 of violence. It's it's like the end of Hamlets, except 1681 01:36:06.720 --> 01:36:07.800 just played for laughs. 1682 01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:11.119 It just goes berserk, doesn't it as well. Yeah, there's 1683 01:36:11.119 --> 01:36:13.039 all those things. They find gold, they find oil. 1684 01:36:13.239 --> 01:36:13.640 It's late. 1685 01:36:14.520 --> 01:36:16.279 It's like a hat on top of a hat, except 1686 01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:17.479 of course it's a cowboy hat. 1687 01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:21.199 Oil. 1688 01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:25.600 It's gold. 1689 01:36:26.960 --> 01:36:30.119 Mister here, mister, your stocks have colored. 1690 01:36:30.199 --> 01:36:32.960 Five million billion billion. 1691 01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:40.239 Evil has been vanquished, Burgodners. It could be right. I'm 1692 01:36:40.359 --> 01:36:43.760 tempted to stop being an outlaw. 1693 01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:45.840 My kene. 1694 01:36:46.000 --> 01:36:48.800 I found gold and I found oil. Oh, look at this. 1695 01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:52.479 Rock and Doug stabs his brother in the back with 1696 01:36:52.600 --> 01:36:55.680 a corkscrew to tie it back in with the alcohol, 1697 01:36:55.720 --> 01:36:57.199 and it just winds it up. 1698 01:36:57.159 --> 01:36:58.119 And then he turns around. 1699 01:36:58.279 --> 01:37:01.760 Yeah, looks like he shoots jew ten times. Speaking of 1700 01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:04.800 John Will, he's doing the double gun thing like multiple 1701 01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:08.239 times after he sprays him in the face with champagne, 1702 01:37:08.359 --> 01:37:11.439 which is what eventually helps to feed him. And all 1703 01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:15.039 the times that Joe gets or other people, but especially Joe, 1704 01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:20.359 get poisoned, or take a drink of a mickey. It's 1705 01:37:20.640 --> 01:37:23.479 just incredible. It's oh, here you go, Joe, here's some 1706 01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:26.680 coola loca. Okay, great, just right down the hatch. 1707 01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:29.640 Brilliant pratfalls as well. I think there's some of the 1708 01:37:29.720 --> 01:37:33.239 pratfalls are amazing, aren't they? Just perfectly stiffly. 1709 01:37:33.119 --> 01:37:37.439 Fall back like that, yeah, pulling the tablecloth with him 1710 01:37:37.479 --> 01:37:40.119 as he goes back from the poker table. So then 1711 01:37:40.159 --> 01:37:42.560 you get that nice shot of all those bullet holes 1712 01:37:42.600 --> 01:37:43.800 that Ali was talking about. 1713 01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:47.159 And we didn't manage to mention like some of the 1714 01:37:47.319 --> 01:37:52.600 excellent like prop work that I keep forgetting the name 1715 01:37:52.600 --> 01:37:54.800 of the act of the Hoga Fogo actor does with 1716 01:37:54.960 --> 01:37:58.840 his fake arms, like after he's dispatched the sheriff brutally 1717 01:37:58.880 --> 01:38:01.560 and he's just just them to do all these gestures and. 1718 01:38:01.640 --> 01:38:07.079 Just kind of and or like touches his mat a flower. 1719 01:38:08.640 --> 01:38:10.359 It's just excellent prop work. 1720 01:38:10.840 --> 01:38:13.159 And the dummy as well, that when Joe is just 1721 01:38:13.239 --> 01:38:15.159 like throwing him around and it's just that it just 1722 01:38:15.279 --> 01:38:17.880 cuts between it's obviously, I mean, they want you to 1723 01:38:17.960 --> 01:38:19.760 know that it's a dummy, don't they, And then it 1724 01:38:19.880 --> 01:38:22.039 cuts to him and he's like it's actually the actor 1725 01:38:22.079 --> 01:38:24.000 and he's just like spinning around and you see it 1726 01:38:24.199 --> 01:38:27.960 like with his head back. And I love dummies. I 1727 01:38:28.079 --> 01:38:30.760 just that's another kind of slightly python esco even the 1728 01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:32.720 good he's actually even something as silly as that. 1729 01:38:32.840 --> 01:38:33.159 I think. 1730 01:38:33.239 --> 01:38:35.800 I just love like dummies in films. 1731 01:38:36.640 --> 01:38:40.359 I love when he's playing cards with Joe towards the end, 1732 01:38:40.479 --> 01:38:42.640 and he's trying to find those aces that he has 1733 01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:46.159 in his pocket at all times, and just keeps pulling 1734 01:38:46.239 --> 01:38:48.119 things out of his pockets. And at one point he 1735 01:38:48.199 --> 01:38:50.920 pulls yet another rabbit out and puts it on the table, 1736 01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:53.760 and Joe's just like, oh, very nice, very nice, starts applauding. 1737 01:38:54.600 --> 01:38:57.680 That's also very harp poesque, isn't it. And I think, yeah, 1738 01:38:57.680 --> 01:38:59.840 there's the scene when Joe picks him up and then 1739 01:38:59.880 --> 01:39:01.600 all the things come out of his pockets and his 1740 01:39:01.720 --> 01:39:04.640 pockets are just like full of just like endless props 1741 01:39:04.720 --> 01:39:05.880 and magic tricks and. 1742 01:39:06.520 --> 01:39:11.960 Non new krs and flowers. It's Galifrae and technology. I 1743 01:39:12.199 --> 01:39:14.279 love this movie so much, and I just wish more 1744 01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:16.920 people had the opportunity to see it. I know that 1745 01:39:17.039 --> 01:39:19.800 there is a really nice Blu ray, the one that 1746 01:39:19.920 --> 01:39:22.960 you've been talking about Ali with the English dubond there. 1747 01:39:23.880 --> 01:39:26.600 I still have an older Blu ray that I picked up. 1748 01:39:26.640 --> 01:39:29.039 I don't know, or it might be DVD these days. 1749 01:39:29.840 --> 01:39:32.399 Years ago. I picked that one up. So it's such 1750 01:39:32.439 --> 01:39:34.840 a great movie, and like I said, I was so 1751 01:39:34.960 --> 01:39:37.279 surprised that it came out on that Facets label. But 1752 01:39:37.439 --> 01:39:41.119 I really hope that they they're not really doing too 1753 01:39:41.199 --> 01:39:43.479 much anymore. I hope that another company picks it up 1754 01:39:43.520 --> 01:39:45.920 and does a re release. I'm surprised that Second Run 1755 01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:47.880 has to put this out again recently. 1756 01:39:48.840 --> 01:39:51.920 Yeah, I was going to say them because they released 1757 01:39:51.920 --> 01:39:55.159 so much check stuff. But also it feels like a 1758 01:39:55.279 --> 01:39:57.640 very deaf Crocodile type of film. 1759 01:39:58.600 --> 01:39:59.560 Oh yeah, I can see it. 1760 01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:02.640 Crocodile already has the other two, doesn't it, So yeah, 1761 01:40:02.680 --> 01:40:05.640 we need the first one to make it complete. 1762 01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:10.600 It was very briefly on on the BFI player last year. 1763 01:40:10.600 --> 01:40:12.960 It was like see there was about like a month 1764 01:40:13.159 --> 01:40:15.600 or less and then it disappeared, and I wondered whether 1765 01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:18.439 did it get pulled because of the blackface, which of 1766 01:40:18.520 --> 01:40:21.439 course is egregious, but it seems like the sort of 1767 01:40:21.479 --> 01:40:23.840 thing where just put up. 1768 01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:28.000 Front, Yeah, no going in, this has this in it, 1769 01:40:28.399 --> 01:40:29.800 but you can still see it. 1770 01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:35.600 But I know apparently it's available for rent on or 1771 01:40:35.720 --> 01:40:39.119 to purchase on Amazon Prime. Not that I want to 1772 01:40:39.159 --> 01:40:42.000 give those guys any money making a capitalists five bucks 1773 01:40:42.920 --> 01:40:47.199 oh my god? Yeah, yeah jeez. And yeah, there is 1774 01:40:47.319 --> 01:40:52.479 a DFD available on Amazon. The Facet Stevid for seventy 1775 01:40:52.680 --> 01:40:55.520 six ninety nine, or you can go to eBay and 1776 01:40:55.640 --> 01:41:00.720 find a much cheaper copy the import version, Yeah, check mom, 1777 01:41:00.960 --> 01:41:03.279 or I think it's dot Com has that as well, 1778 01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:05.560 the more better version. 1779 01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:12.000 Yeah, mine was an eBay purchase, Like I was looking 1780 01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:15.680 at getting it imported. But because of Brexit, we have 1781 01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:19.920 to pay import duties because that was a great idea. 1782 01:41:20.800 --> 01:41:23.520 Well, luckily over here we have all these tariffs in place, 1783 01:41:23.600 --> 01:41:25.199 so we're able to just get things. 1784 01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:29.640 Oh yeah, yeah, just really reducing the price for the consumer, 1785 01:41:29.640 --> 01:41:31.079 because that's how terrorists work. 1786 01:41:31.520 --> 01:41:33.479 But it's all right because the other country is going 1787 01:41:33.560 --> 01:41:34.520 to pay it to all, aren't they. 1788 01:41:35.640 --> 01:41:37.720 Yeah, Mexico is going to pay for the wall. You 1789 01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:40.600 guys are going to pay for my breakfast this morning. 1790 01:41:40.680 --> 01:41:43.640 It's fantastic, all right, man? How do we keep coming 1791 01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:45.359 back to capitalism? This movie? 1792 01:41:45.520 --> 01:41:45.640 Right? 1793 01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:46.399 Who knows? 1794 01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:50.640 It's almost as if they've made an evergreen film. Going 1795 01:41:50.680 --> 01:41:53.199 to briefly say, we have a Mexican character, because one 1796 01:41:53.239 --> 01:41:57.560 of the two henchmen is very much like Mexican costumed, 1797 01:41:58.079 --> 01:42:02.039 even down to the the sombrero with the skulls on it, 1798 01:42:02.199 --> 01:42:07.600 and yeah, he's yeah, dispatched brutally by Tornado Lou. 1799 01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:11.840 I think that's the Carol Efa, isn't it playing the 1800 01:42:12.760 --> 01:42:13.920 is he called the Pancho Kid? 1801 01:42:14.000 --> 01:42:17.840 I think, yeah, there's the Coyote kid in the Pancho Kid. 1802 01:42:17.960 --> 01:42:21.479 Yeah, and then the Coyote Kid is the Valdemar Matushka, 1803 01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:25.000 who is a very popular singer and actually he did 1804 01:42:25.039 --> 01:42:28.279 a great check version of Brian's done Cowboy in the seventies. 1805 01:42:28.359 --> 01:42:31.520 So if you're looking for like a musical accompaniment to 1806 01:42:31.680 --> 01:42:35.119 this podcast, there is a Yeah, there is a nice version. 1807 01:42:35.399 --> 01:42:38.760 I think it's called to sem Ya ten CoV, but 1808 01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:43.000 but it's speltkov the check with covboy kov b o J. 1809 01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:45.840 So yeah, that's a nice version. 1810 01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:48.119 I have a feeling we're going to go out and 1811 01:42:48.239 --> 01:42:51.399 the English version of the Lemonade Joe song from Oh. 1812 01:42:51.560 --> 01:42:55.920 It's such an ear worm. It's just been rattling around 1813 01:42:56.439 --> 01:42:58.039 so much like the last week. 1814 01:42:59.039 --> 01:43:02.079 I wish there was a soundtrack available for it. There 1815 01:43:02.159 --> 01:43:05.439 is a soundtrack available for the check version that you 1816 01:43:05.479 --> 01:43:12.319 can get over on Supra online. Dot cz highly recommended 1817 01:43:12.479 --> 01:43:15.640 that site, and I don't I think you can just 1818 01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:19.039 translate it through like your web browser. You don't necessarily 1819 01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:23.560 have to. They don't have a language changer on there. 1820 01:43:24.039 --> 01:43:28.720 But yeah, a lot of good things available on superf Funline. 1821 01:43:29.640 --> 01:43:32.680 I know I'm butchering the name of it. 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What is the latest 1836 01:44:40.479 --> 01:44:40.960 with you, sir. 1837 01:44:41.760 --> 01:44:42.159 I've got a. 1838 01:44:42.199 --> 01:44:45.720 Couple of things that I've contributed to the coming out 1839 01:44:45.880 --> 01:44:49.800 soon sobs, the release from Second run of Who Wants 1840 01:44:49.800 --> 01:44:54.600 to Kill Jesse, which I'm really excited about, and our projections. 1841 01:44:54.640 --> 01:44:58.039 Both commentary is on there. I have an essay as 1842 01:44:58.079 --> 01:45:00.479 well in the booklet, and I think that's meant to 1843 01:45:00.600 --> 01:45:03.279 be out at the end of August, so possibly probably 1844 01:45:03.359 --> 01:45:07.760 will be out by the time this episode comes out. 1845 01:45:08.039 --> 01:45:12.039 And then I've also got an essay in the Radiance 1846 01:45:12.119 --> 01:45:16.479 release of the film malt Betweet, the great Harry Kamel film, 1847 01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:18.960 which again I'm just so excited that this is being 1848 01:45:19.239 --> 01:45:22.279 released now because it's such a great film. So I've 1849 01:45:22.279 --> 01:45:25.239 got an essay on that on Harry Kamel's short films, 1850 01:45:25.399 --> 01:45:28.520 and I think that's coming out in October this year. 1851 01:45:29.359 --> 01:45:33.359 I also wrote an essay for the Deaf Crocodile release 1852 01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:38.199 of Yujibata's short films plus The Pied Piper, so there's 1853 01:45:38.279 --> 01:45:42.039 a nice deluxe edition of his animated films which came 1854 01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:45.520 out recently. I have an essay in the deluxe edition 1855 01:45:45.600 --> 01:45:45.760 of that. 1856 01:45:46.600 --> 01:45:49.439 Oh that's fantastic. Yeah, I am so glad that they're 1857 01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:53.640 putting out Malbertwee again because I think we covered that 1858 01:45:54.159 --> 01:45:58.079 probably there was the last October we discussed that, and 1859 01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:02.000 such a fascinating film. And I'm so glad that you 1860 01:46:02.199 --> 01:46:05.079 are taking part in that release because I'm sure you've 1861 01:46:05.119 --> 01:46:08.000 got some great things to say about it, and Allie, 1862 01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:08.680 how about yourself. 1863 01:46:11.119 --> 01:46:17.039 So speaking of the vicissitudes of capitalism like a it's like, 1864 01:46:17.680 --> 01:46:20.319 what's he gonna He's gonna start plugging the Communist Party. 1865 01:46:20.760 --> 01:46:21.560 No, I'm not going to do that. 1866 01:46:22.159 --> 01:46:26.039 So where I grew up, Milton Keynes, had the first 1867 01:46:26.399 --> 01:46:31.319 multiplex cinema in the UK, The Point, and sadly it 1868 01:46:31.439 --> 01:46:35.000 is owned by a property developer and so it's going 1869 01:46:35.199 --> 01:46:39.640 to be demolished very soon. And so an article I 1870 01:46:39.720 --> 01:46:45.159 wrote for Film Stories magazine is very recently been published 1871 01:46:45.199 --> 01:46:47.880 in an online form, so I can put that in 1872 01:46:48.000 --> 01:46:52.439 the show notes about why like the places that we 1873 01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:56.439 go to watch films matter and should be preserved as 1874 01:46:56.520 --> 01:46:59.600 part of history just as much as some other things 1875 01:46:59.640 --> 01:47:03.680 that tend to get preserved. So that's a recent thing 1876 01:47:03.720 --> 01:47:08.640 for me. I've started to do more film screening intros. 1877 01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:14.399 Most recently I introduced Clueless as part of a Jane 1878 01:47:14.399 --> 01:47:20.119 Austen Adaptations season I co curated with The Ultimate Picture 1879 01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:23.600 Palace in Oxford, where I live. So that was an 1880 01:47:23.600 --> 01:47:27.319 absolute blast doing that. Love that film so much and 1881 01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:31.880 speaking of satire, it's so sharp, takes a slightly more 1882 01:47:32.159 --> 01:47:36.359 benign view of the rich, but that's like more rich 1883 01:47:36.439 --> 01:47:39.760 people should be like share, like a bit clueless, but 1884 01:47:39.960 --> 01:47:42.359 essentially like heart in the right place. So that was 1885 01:47:42.399 --> 01:47:44.119 a joy seeing that on the big screen for the 1886 01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:47.640 first time as well. And then otherwise, like I've been 1887 01:47:47.680 --> 01:47:51.479 on this show quite a few times, so yeah, dive 1888 01:47:51.560 --> 01:47:55.399 into the back catalog and listen to the zero Grad 1889 01:47:55.720 --> 01:47:59.239 episode if you haven't already, or the Amphibian Man episode, 1890 01:47:59.840 --> 01:48:03.720 or or the Kira Muratovore ones or Welcome or No 1891 01:48:03.800 --> 01:48:07.920 Trespassing speaking of satire. Yeah, and then I'm still doing 1892 01:48:08.359 --> 01:48:11.439 my show, a Russian and Soviet movie podcast. My most 1893 01:48:11.520 --> 01:48:16.159 recent episode was on Ballad of a Soldier, which is 1894 01:48:16.840 --> 01:48:22.600 a Criterion collection film, and that was speaking of films 1895 01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:27.680 that are evergreen in their themes, with it being so 1896 01:48:27.880 --> 01:48:32.479 much about yeah, war and the young being thrown into 1897 01:48:32.520 --> 01:48:37.039 the meat grinder, it's just I wish this wasn't relevant anymore. 1898 01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:41.319 And yet, so yeah, that's me, And probably like the 1899 01:48:41.439 --> 01:48:45.199 most compact way of finding me on the Internet is 1900 01:48:45.319 --> 01:48:49.920 just looking at my link tree, which is Ali Underscore pits. 1901 01:48:49.960 --> 01:48:54.439 That's a double l y underscore PI doubts. Yeah, that's 1902 01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:56.000 me well. 1903 01:48:56.039 --> 01:48:57.840 I will be sure to link to that in the 1904 01:48:57.920 --> 01:48:59.960 show notes. And as we head out, I want to 1905 01:49:00.079 --> 01:49:02.239 say thanks so much guys for being on the show. 1906 01:49:02.359 --> 01:49:04.920 Thanks to everybody for listening. Do you want to support 1907 01:49:04.960 --> 01:49:07.319 physical media and get great movies in the mail, head 1908 01:49:07.359 --> 01:49:09.960 over to scarecrow dot com and try. Scarecrow Video is 1909 01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:13.640 incredible rent by mail service. It's the largest publicly accessible 1910 01:49:13.680 --> 01:49:16.720 collection in the world. You will find films there entirely 1911 01:49:16.920 --> 01:49:19.920 unavailable elsewhere. Get what you want when you want it 1912 01:49:20.039 --> 01:49:23.119 without the scrolling, and you better believe that Lemonade Joe 1913 01:49:23.279 --> 01:49:25.199 is available. If you want to hear more of me 1914 01:49:25.279 --> 01:49:26.840 shooting off my mouth, check out some of the other 1915 01:49:26.880 --> 01:49:29.000 shows that I work on. They are all available at 1916 01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:33.039 Weirdingwaymedia dot com. Thanks especially to our Patreon community. If 1917 01:49:33.039 --> 01:49:35.319 you want to join the community, visit patreon dot com 1918 01:49:35.439 --> 01:49:38.800 slash Projection Booth. Every donation we get helps the Projection 1919 01:49:38.880 --> 01:49:40.159 Booth take over the world. 1920 01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:53.199 I see Tier one is you're so proud of me 1921 01:49:54.800 --> 01:49:59.239 when we rall totell and the two colum style gets plain. 1922 01:49:59.359 --> 01:50:02.399 Most still see you're so. 1923 01:50:02.560 --> 01:50:05.319 Proud to have me on your back. 1924 01:50:05.800 --> 01:50:07.479 Because goodness is my. 1925 01:50:09.119 --> 01:50:13.399 So that the bandman's drive at the bandman died because 1926 01:50:13.479 --> 01:50:18.439 they are no match for clean living guy, and Lamonade. 1927 01:50:17.920 --> 01:50:18.960 Chose my name. 1928 01:50:20.720 --> 01:50:27.399 Lamb Ade chose my name. I'm so bright and shiny 1929 01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:31.760 like the noon day sun. I made that grivery meal. 1930 01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:38.960 The barroom floozies won my heart, but I after another deal. 1931 01:50:40.520 --> 01:50:43.840 I am them a bottle of my lemon dade for 1932 01:50:44.079 --> 01:50:46.199 the sick and skirty lane. 1933 01:50:47.399 --> 01:50:50.920 Then the band died, died. 1934 01:50:51.199 --> 01:50:54.920 Because there are no match for clean living God, and 1935 01:50:55.119 --> 01:51:00.399 Lamonade chose my name. Lama chose d. 1936 01:51:03.800 --> 01:51:07.199 I guess I'm a born leader, So following me get 1937 01:51:07.319 --> 01:51:09.720 on the wagon of the lemonade ring. 1938 01:51:10.680 --> 01:51:22.319 And because they know the match living and lemonade us man, 1939 01:51:22.960 --> 01:51:23.439 Jos my. 1940 01:51:25.920 --> 01:51:28.560 Boxstare any more who you are? 1941 01:51:29.800 --> 01:51:30.319 No huh. 1942 01:51:32.039 --> 01:51:41.960 Jack bean bump. 1943 01:51:52.680 --> 01:51:54.520 Do you I'm bad. 1944 01:51:56.800 --> 01:51:57.319 Do not. 1945 01:52:00.199 --> 01:52:05.800 To say to chat to me? God? 1946 01:52:07.239 --> 01:52:07.680 Then on. 1947 01:52:10.199 --> 01:52:11.159 My day. 1948 01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:14.079 Say I. 1949 01:52:17.279 --> 01:52:24.600 You on my soul? Far me to say. 1950 01:52:26.399 --> 01:52:27.520 Holy sn. 1951 01:52:29.840 --> 01:52:37.600 On my way. I say to my volume the lan 1952 01:52:40.079 --> 01:53:21.279 so you I'm so far need to say Holy not 1953 01:53:23.800 --> 01:53:25.600 on my bad do? 1954 01:53:26.039 --> 01:53:29.000 I say to my volume. 1955 01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:41.960 Lent so gay, the one, the one. 1956 01:54:06.880 --> 01:54:08.199 Then at lake. 1957 01:54:10.239 --> 01:54:16.119 A propole up also some I mean promist tallet says 1958 01:54:16.840 --> 01:54:30.800 lash your home, say oh you're okay, so. 1959 01:54:30.920 --> 01:54:36.000 Yes to say you halfca ma'ma just not the pill 1960 01:54:36.119 --> 01:54:40.159 of jost big boot to brill. That's a last had 1961 01:54:40.239 --> 01:54:44.640 garyeah I was actually not struck, was lost, that said 1962 01:54:44.640 --> 01:54:49.680 ship nick Jos to urias a damnos not under only 1963 01:54:51.000 --> 01:54:55.800 not a better this week ambaday a bish sister victim 1964 01:54:56.079 --> 01:55:00.479 based and the good live a me here. 1965 01:55:04.600 --> 01:55:06.279 Said do yea said no. 1966 01:55:06.560 --> 01:55:13.880 Sam, I guess you said that this happen bellows name 1967 01:55:14.600 --> 01:55:15.000 meant you. 1968 01:55:15.159 --> 01:55:19.319 Mixed up for smooth the asha you know zuru as 1969 01:55:19.399 --> 01:55:23.199 I said, the grass and should not mobjectly there bash 1970 01:55:23.479 --> 01:55:28.079 down and look back near schurni bila, I should say, 1971 01:55:28.199 --> 01:55:32.199 move till at some same spooman you call a long 1972 01:55:32.279 --> 01:55:38.399 a da brahmasi la some of those goshot that. 1973 01:55:38.520 --> 01:55:47.640 They do dictl me said do ya sid no sands 1974 01:55:58.680 --> 01:55:59.000 give me. 1975 01:56:45.520 --> 01:56:50.960 Missus shakeshare. Doos know he had the game well be 1976 01:56:51.079 --> 01:56:56.439 arrived the ship simpath listener's sheriff, doos you can yourself 1977 01:56:56.560 --> 01:57:00.439 me crack has to smiled. Then he smid that of 1978 01:57:00.600 --> 01:57:04.800 each neck, clipping a brodsing garm into that. 1979 01:57:06.359 --> 01:57:07.319 Sele slip and. 1980 01:57:07.640 --> 01:57:13.239 Gave hipping and the barm she do sna that did 1981 01:57:13.359 --> 01:57:22.560 today lip Amy said to ya a set no sackle. 1982 01:58:23.880 --> 01:58:24.319 Mm hm. 1983 01:58:27.199 --> 01:58:27.640 M hm. 1984 01:58:31.079 --> 01:58:35.840 See them say cogin way down not bad no summon. 1985 01:58:37.840 --> 01:58:38.720 What go you said? 1986 01:58:39.079 --> 01:58:42.199 Expla down be expanding. 1987 01:58:44.279 --> 01:58:49.119 What's some sweet like that's listen, it's a standing Mada 1988 01:58:49.600 --> 01:58:56.199 Siski sabody Joe that could see Baba standard. 1989 01:58:58.199 --> 01:59:02.039 D s s name out. I did the dinner show 1990 01:59:02.760 --> 01:59:08.119 then I g s center no style like. 1991 01:59:09.880 --> 01:59:10.880 Get go ya. 1992 01:59:12.920 --> 01:59:20.880 I go a guy go yeah, I get. 1993 01:59:38.000 --> 01:59:43.000 Spit them sick jem lead down never messlemer. 1994 01:59:44.840 --> 01:59:49.159 Just that gm my bro without sermon. 1995 01:59:51.520 --> 01:59:55.880 I'm saying that under beat down doing this speak and 1996 01:59:55.960 --> 02:00:03.000 that me down soon many Joe, the same bobo stemming. 1997 02:00:04.680 --> 02:00:15.239 The Vietnam Stena day Dino would not desens a bantyn 1998 02:00:15.439 --> 02:00:15.760 tell me. 1999 02:00:19.840 --> 02:00:20.720 That you're going. 2000 02:00:23.439 --> 02:00:30.640 You can't coming, that you a't go. I can't coming 2001 02:00:30.760 --> 02:00:37.319 yet you come? Can you can't come again? Can't coming? 2002 02:00:37.439 --> 02:00:46.600 Don't come? 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