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how are you, sir?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm great. It's good to be back on the show.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, well, I'm glad you had some time off
and safe travels and all of that. And look what
you returned to a Senate race that has now quickly
it seems, taken form. Roy Cooper announced it via a
video message that he put out I played it yesterday.
He also then had another message thanking people where he said,
like the exact same stuff as his earlier video message,
which I found kind of weird, and the attack ads
have already started. You've got a piece at Long Leave
Politics where you say that you try to see the
best in people, but with Roy Cooper you just can't
do it. So explain explain why that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, you know, folks who listen to me here
on your show every week probably know that I'm generally
a pretty reasonable guy. You know, try to give everybody
the benefit of the dow and I can and I
do that all the time with folks like Governor Josh Stein,
Attorney General Jeff Jackson. You know, not that I don't
criticize them, but you know I can at least appreciate
that they're they're in the business for the right reasons.
But with Governor Roy Cooper, former Governor Roy Cooper, I
I have lost all ability to give him the benefit
of the doubt. You know, I spent you know, two
years essentially, you know, working against him when I was
working for Lieutenant Governor Dan Forrest, and just the insight
that that experience gave me, you know, kind of the
peak behind the curtain, if you will, just led me
to believe that, you know, Governor Cooper is one of
is more manipulative, more calculating than just about anybody else
I've met in the political world.
Speaker 1: Is that a sentiment that is shared by a lot
of people up in Raleigh, a lot of the like
the lawmakers and the politicos up there.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean, and you'd be surprised at how
many even Democrats will reach out to me and thank
me for writing stuff like that. He's not always a
pleasant guy to work with, even if you're on.
Speaker 1: His side, really, because, like I know, he does an email.
I wonder if that'll come up. Remember when he was
attorney general and they asked for somebody did a foyer
request for all of his emails, and he had like
twelve or something over a sixteen year career.
Speaker 2: I forgot all about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were like, oh, he just prefers to
meet in person or talk on the phone. He never
sends emails like m M yeah. Sure. He never said yeah.
You called him the most politically calculating and accountability adverse
leaders in North Carolina has had. He built a career
on avoiding scrutiny and consolidating control, protecting himself, not the
people he's supposed to serve. And then you go through
several of the uh, several of these well I would
like to call them scandals, but they didn't all kind
of reach I think the scandal threshold, even though I
thought they probably should have. Like the DOT, you know,
blowing through its budget. The unemployment system, this was interesting.
So during COVID, talk a little bit about what happened
with the unemployment system.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you'll recall when Governor Cooper essentially shut
the state down. You know, there was two weeks to
stop or slow the spread or you know, was it
ben the curb or something like that. Anyway, and they
never went away. But when all that happened, you know,
you had hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people unemployed
all at once, and so they were all trying to
file for unemployment benefits and the system was just not
set up for it. It could you know, Cooper's administration
could not handle this flood of requests, and so people
are calling and calling and can't get through to anybody,
or if they do, they can't get anybody to actually
help them. And so folks actually started, you know, just
calling anybody in government that they could, and so they
would call Lieutenant Governor Forrest's office, and you know, he
never really you know, put this out there. He didn't
want to get attention for it. But his office, his
staff was kind of deputized to help people get the
unemployment benefits that they needed.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do remember hearing that from some people up
in Raleigh that you guys were doing a lot of
work to help people navigate this broken system that cooper
like you. And look, I mean, I understand pandemic, everybody scared,
made some bad decisions and all of that, but this
would have been like a very likely prediction to have made, like, Hey,
if we're going to close everybody's businesses down, they're not
going to have work and so they're going to need
unemployment and so maybe we need to be prepared for that,
and they obviously were not. And this also kind of
dovetails into the way he approached all of the pandemic management,
which was to basically stiff arm all of the Council
of State members, including Dan Forrest, right, because there was
what six Republicans and four Democrats on that Council of
State and so it seemed like at the time I
was very critical of him for doing it this way.
Which is that he didn't want any kind of pushback
on anything he was doing via executive orders or executive
directives or something yeh, the eds or something. Anyway, Yeah,
he didn't want any he didn't want any resistance to that.
He just wanted to rule, it seemed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. You know, our state constitution sets up,
you know, a good number of checks and balances, especially
you know, giving a lot of power to the General Assembly.
But Governor Cooper does not read the state constitution that way.
He reads it as you know, one man is in
charge of everything, and he really governed that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the DMV, the mess that that's become,
and I think the big ones that are going to
get a lot of attention also Hurricane Helene response or
lack thereof, but also Hurricanes Matthew and Florence, where people
I think even still to this day are not back
in their homes. And that was from twenty sixteen. Hurricane
Matthew was from twenty sixteen. You also had a note
in here, and feel free to hit any of these
that you want. I'm just throwing a bunch of these out,
like I did not know he he directed the seating
in the General Assembly for Democrats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2: Kind of a surprise to me. That came out when
Representative Tricia Coffam ended up switching parties. My reporting kind
of peel tech the curtain on that. I mean, he
was definitely micromanaging all aspects of his caucus, you know,
and he would pull whatever lever of power he had
access to to make sure that Democrats were voting in
line with what he wanted. And you know, you saw
that with Senator Kirk Deviere, where you know, Governor Cooper
funded a primary challenger for him for voting with Republicans
on a few bills. But then he would also use,
you know, some of those seating assignments and office assignments
to keep people in line as well. If you didn't,
if you weren't in the good races of the governor,
you might might end up on the back row.
Speaker 1: That's unreal, all right. So let me shift gears over
to what we pretty well assume is going to be
an announcement from Michael Wattley, former North Carolina Republican Party
chairman and now the RNC chair, although I don't know
if he's actually stepped down off of that post yet,
but he's going to run for this Senate seat as well.
And there are some other candidates. Don Brown is in there.
I think Nielsen is Andy Nilsen or Adam Nilson. I
forget he's Andy, right, So there are a couple other
Republicans in that field, but Wattley would obviously be the favorite,
coming in with a Trump endorsement and a big fat Rolodex.
And you had a piece that you say, Michael Wattley
has earned his shot for the US Senate. And you
looked at Wattley as a potential governor candidate last year,
but now you or twenty twenty eight, I think you said,
but you think the Senate race is a better it
for him. So why is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Michael Wattley, you know, he's been involved in
North Carolina politics for a long time now, and he was,
you know, dating back to twenty sixteen. He's been closely
tied in with the Trump administration and the Trump campaign.
And you know that's a feather in Wattley's cap is
he delivered North Carolina to Trump in three elections in
a row. And you know, in all three cases, North
Carolina was viewed as a potential swing state, and you know,
you look at twenty twenty, I mean even Georgia went
blue and North Carolina did not. And a lot of
that has to do with with Michael Wattley. He really
oriented the party at the state level, for better or
for worse, around you know, supporting the president. So you know,
he's clearly been a loyal foot soldier for Trump, and
so I argue that Trump kind of owed him he
was due of this endorsement. And I think, you know,
you're right that this is definitely going to clear the field. Essentially,
You're not gonna see any sitting members of Congress who
are gonna throw their hat in the ring, you know,
against a Trump endorsement. So that I would say it's
safe to say that this the primary season is already over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would tend to agree with that. And you know,
and I'm not saying that don shouldn't run or Andy
shouldn't run. There free to run, obviously, but I think
that you know, when you got a guy of Wattley's connections, uh,
and he's been around you know, politics for decades and
he knows a lot of people, there's gonna be a
lot of money that has to get raised from out
of state, and he is probably the best one suited
to do that because he's been doing it as part
of the RNC for years now. So it just seems
like he comes in as the UH, as the proverbial favorite.
You also said he is aligned with the current moment
and that gives him a real shot. What do you
mean by that?
Speaker 2: I mean, I just mean that he is on Team Trump.
You know, that hasn't always worked to the benefit of candidates,
you know, in North Carolina or around the country. It
seems like Donald Trump can get away with things that
even Trump aliine candidates can't. But on the other hands,
I mean, North Carolina did vote for Trump in three
straight elections, you know, having that Trump endorsement, especially if
if President Trump comes to North Carolina next year for
rallies to support Wattley, that could certainly help juice turn
out and help get him over the line. Yeah, However,
you know he's got some significant disadvantages. I mean, his
name I D is relatively low in North Carolina. I
mean Roy Cooper comes in with virtually one hundred percent
name I D. Michael Wattley. You know, you and I
know who he is, and people in the know know
who he is. But if you're not really involved in
party politics, you're you're probably not going to know who
Michael Wattley is at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good stuff. You could read more of Andrews's
work at long leavepol dot com Longleaf Politics. Andrew Dunn,
thanks so much for your time, buddy. Good to hear
from you again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, all right, take care.
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there's retribution, And Craig says, Pete, there is a certain
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would love to hear your opinion on that subject. That's
Craig in Belmont. I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
The US Senate races in North Carolina are always very
very close, like one to two points. So look, you know,
some people are very confident in making predictions. Absolutely, we are,
what a year and a half out. Most people are
not even paying attention yet, So yeah, I think it's
going to be a very competitive race. Roy Cooper could
very well win that seat. Absolutely, He's in a better
position than Cherry Beasley was. So he's got a lot
of name id. Now the question is how does he
survive the kinds of negative attacks that are going to
be directed at him that he has not in his
career ever really suffered. He has not been the target
of the kinds of attacks that we are going to
start seeing. In fact, we already have two the was
it the Senate Leadership Fund and the National Republican Senatorial Fund.
They both have launched ads against him, like immediately when
he made his announcement, they dropped their ads. So this
is the this is the Senate Leadership Fund spot.
Speaker 4: He says he's a moderate, but Roy Cooper's record tells
a radically different story. Higher taxes, sanctuary cities, and a
radical gender ideology. Cooper veto to bill to protect girls' sports,
veto to bill to ban gender transition surgeries for miners,
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veto tax relief for middle class families and small businesses,
higher taxes, more illegals, a woke agenda. Roy Cooper masquerades
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in disguise, and.
Speaker 1: It's got Ai generated Cooper with the with a mask
of himself. So he's taken like the mask off and
it's still him underneath. Okay, So that was the Senate
Leadership Fund. This one is from the National the NRS,
the National Republican Senatorial Fund. Here is theirs.
Speaker 3: Like the search is over for someone Democrats can dare
to count on.
Speaker 1: Hello America, I'm Roy Cooper.
Speaker 3: For nearly forty years, Roy Cooper has delivered a reliable
yes for the Democrat Party, like his wallet draining. Yes
to hire taxes or a lock the doors, Yes to
closing schools of fearless yess to pro hamas radicals and
no consequences, Yes to releasing criminal illegal aliens, a green light,
yes to men in women's sports, and a bold yes
for Biden.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden saved this nation.
Speaker 3: Followed by a never mind, it's Kamala, my friend, comrade,
No matter the issue, but you already know the answer,
Roy Cooper, always a yes to the.
Speaker 1: Last scary all right, so you know the contours of
the attack heads. Like I said, they've already started. They
were already on the digital platforms. The tying of Cooper
to Biden, I think is going to be interesting to
watch because back on July third, twenty twenty four, this
was right after Joe Biden's terrible debate performance, Democrat governors
from across the country discussed their concerns with Biden during
a hastily arranged meeting. Roy Cooper took part. He said, quote,
we had a good meeting with the President talking about
what's needed to win. Donald Trump is an existential threat
to our democracy, and everyone in the room agreed that
defeating him is imperative. President Biden told us he is
definitely running for reelection. He is our nominee, and we'll
continue doing everything we can to deliver North Carolina for him.
Cooper indicated that remember, Biden then came to North Carolina
for rally for a stop and suggested that Cooper might
be appointed to a high ranking post in Washington if
Biden were to win reelection. So Roy Cooper part of
the cover up of Joe Biden's declining mental acuity right
and lied to everybody about it. And then as soon
as the party poo b Oz did their coup and
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him my good friend, Ray. Are you ready to elect
Ray Cooper your governor? Yeah? That was Hillary Clinton twenty sixteen,
stumping with her good friend, as she called him earlier
in the rally, her good friend, Ray Cooper. And then
I believe, if memory serves correctly, I think Kamala Harris
called him Ray also. So they're very tight. They're all
very very tight. Roy Cooper also put out a video
message yesterday. So first there was the announcement video. I
played that, and then I saw a different video of him,
and I knew it was different because in this one
he's standing, not sitting, and he's wearing a white button
down shirt, no tie of course, because we're all too
cool for ties, and a blazer. But he said basically
the same thing, and the smarm school marm sounding tone
is back, the affected whispering to try to like Obama
eyes the speech, you know, when Obama would get old
whispery on things like do that kind of effect. And
Roy does this. He did it during COVID and it's
like he's trying to like do these things. He's almost
like an AI bot that has been given instructions on
what to do, and he's following the instructions. But there's
just something missing there. Sincerity, that's it. Yes, sincerity is
what's missing. It doesn't come across as real, not to me,
and he talks to me like I'm a kindergartener, which
I don't appreciate. So here was Roy's Day one message.
Speaker 5: Hi guys, I'm Roy Cooper, and today I officially announced
my campaign for the United States Senate. You know, I
never really did want to go to Washington. I wanted
to serve the people of North Carolina.
Speaker 1: He said the exact same line. So this is obviously
now going to be a slogan that he is going
to utilize. I didn't want to go to Washington. I
just want to serve North Carolina in Washington. They made
me do it. They made me go to Washington. They're
making me run for this US Senate seat. I didn't
want to do this, but those dastardly Republicans have made
me do this. It's not that he's been a politician
his entire adult life. No, it's not really the only
thing he knows how to do is run for office. No,
it's that he needs to serve us. It's like, you've
done enough, please, Ray, just go retire here.
Speaker 5: And that's what I did. But we are living in
an extraordinary moment and it's time for everybody have to
step up. And that's what I'm doing by running for
the Senate. Let me tell you, I cannot tell you
how much I appreciate all of the help that you've
given to me.
Speaker 1: All Right, did you hear what he just did there too?
Let me tell you I cannot tell you how much.
So again, it's these attempts at being something that he
does not appear to be, which is this moderate Yes,
but this like folksy, lovable uncle type of figure, and
people as you heard from Andrew Dunn earlier in the hour.
People have been Raleigh. They know the real Roy Cooper.
I've talked about it. I wrote an op ed about
the guy like three years ago. I want to say
Andrew called him politically calculating and accountability a verse, and
for the first time in his political life, Andrew said,
I'm optimistic that he won't be able to duck, deflect
and outspend his way past his record. I got to
tell you also the issue that he rode into the
governor's mansion on the HB two issue, which was bathroom
access for transgenders, right, got into the state legislative fight
with the HB two passage, and then he whipped up
a boycott against his own state as attorney general, went
out and solicited business leaders on the left to boycott
our state to exact punishment on North Carolinians because of
a fight he was having with Republicans over the trans issue.
But it would benefit him politically personally. And so yeah,
when they canceled the NBA All Star Game and all
those you know, service jobs that rely on that influx
of tourists, Sorry workers, sorry small businesses, you have to
suffer because Roy needs to win, you know. And maybe
maybe I'm a little optimistic here, but I do sense
that there has been a shift in this issue since
twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen, right when he was able to
use it to be Pat McCrory. A lot has happened
in a decade on the trans issues, and I'm not
so sure that this is a winner for him anymore.
Let me get back to the audio. There's only like
twenty seconds left today.
Speaker 5: For those of you who have contributed, who have forwarded
our announcement video to your family, your friends, your co workers,
I deeply appreciate it. This is going to be a long,
difficult campaign and I'm gonna need you guys every step
of the way. So let's get together and let's go
win this thing.
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Yeah, eh, get hyped? Yeah, Ugh, gosh,
it's all it's like I'm I'm suffering trauma my PTSD
from watching his COVID briefings every day five years ago.
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exciting as a colonoscopy yiks, yikes. By the way, actually
historic day up in Raleigh today. I think the Senate
overrode a dozen vetos in a single day. The House
overrode a bunch of vetos. We're going to go into it.
I spent about an hour and a half this morning
watching the House floor debate on some of these bills
that got overridden, and I've pulled only the best, the
highest quality audio for you from the floor debate. So yeah,
and we'll cover the vetos that were overridden today, some
of which cleared both chambers so now are in effect law.
Rich says I knew Ray at UNC. He dated my cousin.
They were serious for some time. At that time, he
was controlled by his father and uncle, both big Democrats
in Nash County and eastern North Carolina. They said he
would be governor someday and laid out his path, paved
the way early on. He's a politician to the core.
He was raised to be one. My cousin was heartbroken
when he dumped her for a ready made family, a
woman with two children, a family that he quote started
in Nash County. She thought she was going to be
the first lady. My cousin is a hardcore Democrat, loves campaigning,
has more personality than Ray but did not want children.
I suspect the latter two were factors in his dumping her.
That said, dumping my cousin was probably the smartest thing
he has done. That's wow. Okay, well, Hugh, that story
took a turn. Rick says, I like the way Ray
in his announcement to run states that the super rich
have become so at your expense. He obviously doesn't understand
that wealth is created, not stolen. Yeah, he's he's. I
saw somebody describe him. A national pundit described him after
watching that video and said, these are all the same
lines that Bernie Sanders says. He's just Bernie Sanders with
a smile. Yeah. And that's the thing about Roy Cooper.
He pretends to be some sort of blue dog Democrat,
moderate kind of guy, and he never has been, never
has been. Back to the Andrew dunpiece at long Leaf Politics,
he says, national money is finally coming in to tell
the full story. The National Republican Senatorial Committee's already out
with an ad tying Cooper to National Democrats, and that's
a good start. Republicans have tried before to make this
connection stick and it has not worked. But those were
state level races where Cooper could blur the lines and
make every issue about But a US Senate campaign is different,
and he's exactly right. He says, it's it's about direction
of the country. It's about control of the Senate. It's
about Supreme Court uh and judgement approvals, you know, nominations
and such like. That's the that's the focus. And this
is going to be a far more nationalized race than
anything Cooper has ever been in and in the past,
because as I've gone over this for years, he developed
a donor network out of state based on the HB
two fight, and he got all of these you know
democrats and progressives and leftists and business leaders and you
know deep pocket Trustafarians and stuff, and they they funded
his campaigns well in excess of anything that the Republicans
could or had built. And he was able to, you know,
buy a lot of ad time, do a lot of
campaign stops and all of that. But now you've got
money that's coming in for the Republican whoever it is
probably gonna be Michael Wattley. And Wattley has a very
thick Rollodex as well. He knows a lot of deep
pockets nationally too, and he's got a lot of people
that are in office that are there because of his efforts,
his help as the RNC chair. And that means you
can bring a lot of people to come to town
to draw a crowd and hit him up for money, right,
do a lot of fundraisers with some big name draws.
I mentioned before I left Asheville, he brought Ted Cruz
to town to stump for I forget who I think
it may have been. Hmmm, it may have been Ted Budd,
Ted Bud No, I don't remember. Madison Cawthorne was there,
but it wasn't an event for him. But like that
was a that was a huge get for the area
to get Ted Cruz to come into town for this appearance,
and Ted did. At one point he called it South
Carolina and everybody kind of likes he oh, and he
saw the reaction and then he immediately re racks the
sentence and corrects himself and says, North Carolina. It's kind
of kind of cringey, but it was a good speech.
Chip says, if Roy starts growing a beard and takes
to Cussen, we will know the gloves are off.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Well, and also Pump and iron. Have you seen this,
this trend the Democrats are doing now, They're they're posting
videos of themselves working out in the gym. I'm not kidding, Like,
there's too many videos of them pumping iron for it
to not be some sort of guidance that they have
been given. It shows that we fight, we're strong, we're tough.
Speaker 6: I'm in a gym. Look at me, I'm Eric Swallwell,
I'm lifting one hundred and thirty pounds. I hate Trump
like that's the that's the message. I'm gonna fight everybody
for you.
Speaker 1: Look at me. I'm working out so I can fight people.
And a cuss too, And I say, y'all, and I
got a beard. Phillip says, a point of clarification, my
good friend Ray is a candidate for US Senate, but
he is not running. Ray will hunker down in his
basement Biden's style, and let the legacy media run interference
for him. He might do sequestered appearances with a select
group of Marxists, with the keynote people such as Tim
Balls okay, you say he's just all right, large mouth bass,
Gavin k Newsome, Jeff Bosa okay, and perhaps Adam shift
for brains. In summary, Ray will be harder to find
than an orthodontist in the UK. That okay, that's just
a cheap shot, but sometimes we take.
Speaker 2: Them all right.
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