WEBVTT 1 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:53.600 Yeah, that's the october Fest band. We are in the 2 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:55.920 thick of it around the world. Of course, if you're 3 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:01.159 in Munich, you are celebrating big time in the big 4 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:06.519 beer tents and they are drinking leaders of beer. You know, 5 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:08.760 it's funny. I haven't had a chance to go to 6 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:12.079 Munich when I'm in Europe. I always miss it. I'd 7 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:14.560 love to go there. I had. I had friends go 8 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:18.200 last year and everybody had their leader hosand and derndrols 9 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:23.319 on and they reported back that, you know, the Germans 10 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.959 will drink a leader or up to three within an hour. 11 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:31.760 Sometimes it's a lot of beer, and I just can't imagine, 12 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:35.480 you know, a leader of beer in a huge glass tine. 13 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:40.400 But I love my beer. And here in California there 14 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:43.879 is a lot of immigrants. According to I celebrate my 15 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:49.640 one quarter German. My grandfather immigrated from Dusser Dwarf in 16 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:56.439 nineteen o four and came to California and settled and 17 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:00.879 had a practice. He was a doctor in Central California. 18 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:04.439 But I know he's always upheld the tradition and we 19 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:10.080 would celebrate the seasons, and october Fest was something that 20 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:14.039 we talked about and I have kind of continued it. 21 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:18.319 I actually do wear the lit hosen and I have 22 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:20.759 a great time. I don't know what it is about Octoberfest. 23 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:24.039 I really have fun. I enjoy it. And you know, 24 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:29.520 we here in northern California are surrounded by micro breweries, 25 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:32.680 and so everybody's trying to put out a Marsin or 26 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:36.039 an october Fest beer, which is a holiday dark beer. 27 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:40.599 And there's I live in close to Oakland, and there's 28 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:46.360 an Oktoberfest Oaktoberfest, and all the breweries come out and 29 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:49.919 there's like two hundred beers that you can sample. No 30 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.319 one that's gonna drink all of them. But I'm always 31 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:56.439 pleasantly surprised at some of these newer breweries who are 32 00:02:56.479 --> 00:03:00.840 able to really tune into the mars In flavor. And 33 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:04.719 it's wonderful with the food. You know, the Europeans don't 34 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:07.879 just typically drink beer by itself. They will drink and 35 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:11.360 have a meal. And that's what makes you know, sipping 36 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:14.759 a beer with your food, with your sausage or whatever 37 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:18.800 much more pleasant because it goes really well with food. 38 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:22.159 And you know, you don't walk around with a stein 39 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:25.360 of beer and you're not, you know, have any food 40 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:28.039 you got to have the food. So so anyhow, it's 41 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:32.439 october Fest time and I'll be wearing my leader hosand 42 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:35.319 with a girlfriend and some other friends and I'll have 43 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:37.479 a photograph. If you want to see my leader hosand 44 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:41.759 and outfit, you can go to Earth Ancients excuse me, 45 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:44.840 you can go to Facebook, go to Cliff Dunning and 46 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:49.879 you'll see me all dredged, all dressed up celebrating this season. 47 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:53.879 And I don't know what it is. There's something about Leader, 48 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:58.840 something about october Fest that is just real fun and 49 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:02.240 I mean it's it's an adult party and I really 50 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:04.639 really enjoy it. I'm going to get the Munich one 51 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:08.120 of these days and figure out a way to really 52 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:13.639 see it the authentic traditional way which I have had, 53 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:18.040 like I said, a number of friends. So october Fest 54 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:24.519 and the Lida Josen any I'll help. You're doing well today? Hey, 55 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:27.839 Today we have the return of doctor Edwin Barnhardt. He 56 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:31.639 is going to be speaking to us about the ruins 57 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:37.839 on Easter Island, otherwise known as Rappahannui. And we have 58 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:42.160 had other people speaking about the Polynesian islands. But what 59 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:45.160 I didn't realize until very recently was that Ed had 60 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:47.800 done back I think I was twenty eighteen. He did 61 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:52.639 a survey of the island and was working with the 62 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:58.399 government at the time to understand some of the early dwellings, 63 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:01.319 and he made some we'll learn about this today. He 64 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:06.319 made some interesting discoveries of buildings that hadn't been known 65 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:10.160 about before. And he didn't use light ar he used 66 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:14.160 another kind of imaging system to actually do this. And 67 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:16.959 he was talking to me before we started our interview 68 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:21.079 today that he's we're going to be going there in March, 69 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:23.920 March fifteenth to the twenty third, by the way, if 70 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:26.120 you want to join us. And he was working with 71 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:28.079 the local government and he only, like I said, he 72 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:31.399 only did a third of the survey and he's going 73 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:35.920 back hopefully to finish his work. But you know, it's 74 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:40.519 funny because I talk to people who visit Repahanui or 75 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:45.160 Easter Island, and they say they get strange vibes depending 76 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:48.120 on what part of the island you're at. Apparently there's 77 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:51.120 some hot spots that have been talked about in the 78 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:57.240 same manner that we see magnetic anomalies in Saint Guatemala 79 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:03.240 or when we were in Chiao late last year, we 80 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:07.920 noticed that some of the stela, the standing markers, and 81 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:13.079 even some of the round sculptures of depicting humans had 82 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:17.319 magnetic anomalies. What that's all about, we don't know now. 83 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:22.079 When it gets to the point where it is affecting physiology, 84 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:27.439 that's meant to that's meant as a tool, And we 85 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:31.120 still don't understand how it was used. But some people 86 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:34.839 that are sensitive believe that shaman perhaps or people who 87 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:39.680 were trained in subtle energy work, could tune in to 88 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:47.480 those markers, to those energetics and perhaps by locate, perhaps communicate, 89 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:53.279 perhaps develop some form of sacred wisdom. We don't know 90 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:55.519 how it was worked, but what we do know is 91 00:06:56.279 --> 00:07:02.759 that again the Maya were were masters using subtle energy 92 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:06.959 and gain a great deal of their knowledge on earth 93 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:13.600 centric energetics as well as healing, mathematics and sacred geometry. 94 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:18.759 What sacred geometry this is placing buildings in correct alignment 95 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:23.439 along with lay lines and also global centric navigation. So 96 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:27.759 that means that the alignment of certain pyramids and temples 97 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:31.519 were such that you could stand and look at corner 98 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:36.120 and align it to the sunset, to certain constellations. And 99 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:41.360 of course the Maya were master cosmologists and could actually 100 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:45.720 track various planetary movements and things like that, but the 101 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:52.439 Rapahanui people aren't considered to be that sophisticated. Although, and 102 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:55.199 we'll talk about this today, there is a writing system 103 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:59.800 that has been found, but it has not been deciphered. 104 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:05.000 And this is a real curiosity because right now orthodoxy 105 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:10.279 considers the earliest period of Easter Island to be roughly 106 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:15.000 a thousand years ago. And you know, people that are seers, 107 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.759 that are psychic, that are sensitive as well as many 108 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:21.680 other of us, believe that the Easter Island may have 109 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:25.240 been part of MoU or the great continent of Limoria. 110 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:32.600 And there are no other parts of the Polynesian culture 111 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:40.720 that have these moai sculptures, these multi ton megalists or monoliths, 112 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:46.919 huge carved statuary anyplace else. And so why were they carved? 113 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:51.200 Why were they lined up looking out towards the west? 114 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.440 What is the hieroglyphics that is carved in many of 115 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:59.639 their backs, and why are they positioned where they're standing 116 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:05.200 looking up with their hands around their waist, Almost a 117 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:12.399 certain posture that perhaps elicits energy or seeking or sightseeing 118 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:16.879 or heaven watching or something looking at the sky looking 119 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:21.120 at the changes we don't know, and because we don't 120 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:26.639 have a definitive answer, again, it's most of its guesswork. 121 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:30.320 Now it's a real pleasure to have Ed on the 122 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.759 program today because again he will be leading a tour 123 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:38.440 an Earth Ancient's Tour March fifteenth through the twenty third. 124 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.840 For all the information, you can go to earth Ancients 125 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:46.440 dot com forward slash tours and see the itinerary. We're 126 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:51.200 almost full, and if you want to join us, do that, 127 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.159 or if you have any questions whatsoever about this tour, 128 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:57.720 send me an email at Earth Ancients to number four 129 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:01.799 of the letter you at gmail dot Earth Ancients for 130 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:06.519 you at gmail dot com. So today's program is the 131 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:10.559 ancient culture of Rapa Nui and my guest is doctor 132 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:46.080 ed Barnhard. It's always great to speak with doctor Edwin Barnhart. 133 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:49.120 We haven't had you don't had Edd on the show 134 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:52.159 for a few months, and I had to say it 135 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:56.080 was a pleasure being with him in uh Mexico and 136 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:01.000 our recent tour. We studied and we were discussing the 137 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:06.840 Omec and their ruins, which are fascinating. But today we're 138 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:11.200 going to talk about Easter island otherwise known as Rappahannui 139 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:13.960 because Ed's actually been there, and he hasn't been there 140 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:17.200 just as a tourist. He's been there and he has 141 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:20.879 surveyed that part of the world, which makes it even 142 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:25.399 more interesting. So Ed, welcome back to Earth Ancient. It's 143 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:26.000 great to see you. 144 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:28.759 Hey, clip, thanks for inviting me back. 145 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:33.960 All right, we gotta open with your participation in Graham 146 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:40.000 Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse. We got a preview all through the YouTube, 147 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:44.000 and I'm just curious how did that come about? How 148 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:45.039 did that evolve? 149 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:49.440 Yeah, I was surprised to see myself on that preview. 150 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:53.440 I was there all of two seconds, but I made cut. 151 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:54.159 That was fun. 152 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:59.039 Yeah, you know, friends of friends, I guess recommended me 153 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:05.320 to Graham and his crew specifically about Polank and you know, 154 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.799 you know me, I'm I'm I'm open to however I 155 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:13.559 can communicate with the public about things they're interested in. 156 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:18.759 And so I right after my Olmec trip, I flew 157 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:22.039 instead of home from Mexico City to Polenk. 158 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:23.080 It happened kind of that. 159 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:26.600 Quickly after ours a couple of years ago. 160 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:28.799 You mean, I don't know an ole Mec trip. 161 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:31.919 I had run in March this year, and then it 162 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:34.080 is just kind of one thing led to another, and 163 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:37.320 uh then I was just all of a sudden standing 164 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:40.639 in the Temple of the Foliated Cross with Graham Hancock. 165 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:45.240 Amazing. That's fantastic. Now, I mean, Graham is very outspoken 166 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:48.639 as as you know, and he's not an academic book. 167 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:51.960 How did you feel how you treated, I would say 168 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:54.360 in that interaction with him. 169 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:58.360 Oh, very nicely, very nicely. We had, you know, both 170 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:04.480 professional and personal rapport. You know, he seemed to be 171 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:07.840 surprised that I had actually read his books, but you know, 172 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:10.600 he started off with the respect that he had read 173 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:13.240 my stuff. So we had a nice conversation right off 174 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:17.279 the bat about actually having read each other stuff instead 175 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:20.240 of just have opinions about it. Yeah, and you know 176 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:23.799 it kind of went from there. I enjoyed the experience. 177 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:28.639 Now, your expertise is in planky obviously, because you surveyed it. 178 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:31.559 Was that the main focus of that episode that you 179 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:34.480 shot with him? Or did you go to other sites? 180 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:37.720 We didn't go to other sites, but we did talk 181 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:41.559 off site on a number of topics. He was really 182 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:44.960 you know, very I appreciated the opportunity he let me 183 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:49.480 speak in my own words about my calendars, my astronomy. 184 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:53.039 He actually even asked me directly to. 185 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:58.519 Give him my opinion about whether Bacall's sarcophagus carving as 186 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:02.240 an alien spaceship, which you know, spoiler alert, I did 187 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:07.720 not believe that. Yeah, he gave me a lot of 188 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:11.440 opportunity to speak to his audience in my own way 189 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:15.240 and in my own voice, and I appreciated it good. 190 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:20.360 So he was talking about the Maya, and did he 191 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:22.879 ask you one of my questions, mine of white questions 192 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:26.159 with you all. And we've talked about this before, the 193 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:31.080 descendants of the Maya, the earliest part, and I talk 194 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:33.639 about this, and I've mentioned this to you with my 195 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:41.639 interactions with Rich Hanson out in Guatemala at Ladonte. He 196 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:45.159 Hanson thinks that these pyramids were all for the gods. 197 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:49.399 And my belief is that the people that we know 198 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.559 as the Maya were just one phase. Is an earlier 199 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:55.399 face that we're having trouble understanding because we haven't really 200 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:59.399 deciphered their language yet, so we really don't know the 201 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:04.000 earliest periods. According to Hanson, Oh, I see what you're saying. 202 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:10.279 Like the proto my script, we really don't the earliest 203 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:13.600 text we have we have a problem reading. Yeah, so 204 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.120 we don't know how old the Maya are, right, I 205 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:18.360 mean we think they're three or four thousand years old, 206 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:21.320 But is there a possibility that And I'm wondering if 207 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:25.279 Hanson Hanson excuse me, Graham Hancock was touching on this 208 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:35.039 that the Maya seemed to be extremely sophisticated, you know, astronomy, mathematics, medicines, culture, 209 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:37.600 so forth, and so on, and they kind of just 210 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:39.600 show up very sophisticated. 211 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:44.639 No, Graham and I didn't really talk on that. He 212 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:47.600 didn't ask me any questions on that vein. But you have, 213 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:49.440 so we'll talk about it. 214 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:51.279 I don't know. 215 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:58.039 From my perspective in archaeology, I do see a fairly 216 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:06.559 understand progression of you know, technology, community building, uh, you know, 217 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:12.759 just tradition society that start. I feel like the archaeology 218 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:18.720 record certainly has gaps, but there's a logical narrative sequence 219 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:22.120 of people that begin, you know, from the archaic period, 220 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:27.679 slowly building up communities and interacting, sharing ideas back and forth. 221 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:30.879 My uh, I just finished doing this deep dive on 222 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:36.000 olmec H for Great Courses, and I I talk a 223 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:39.320 lot about how the the Olmec and the Maya at 224 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:43.759 that early early dates, and I'm talking you know, ballpark 225 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:50.720 two thousand BCE, they're really uh, bouncing ideas and traditions 226 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:53.200 off each other to create something new. There's a real 227 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:55.960 co evolution there. But both of them start from a 228 00:16:56.120 --> 00:17:03.720 very rudimentary place and help each other up in a 229 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:06.319 lot of ways. They're certainly you know that we don't 230 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:08.960 have all the answers about their technology and things, but 231 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:13.279 in terms of I don't think either one of them 232 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:18.319 really show up on the scene with a whole kit 233 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:23.119 of skills and cultural ways that we can't explain. I 234 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:26.400 do see an evolution, and if you'd like to hear 235 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:30.000 my long explanation, I've got you know, six hours of 236 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:32.920 talk that come out on great courses about it. 237 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:36.559 Let's talk about pyramids, because I consider the Maya pyramid culture. 238 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:43.319 Is there an area in Mexico that is thought of 239 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:46.119 as to be kind of an evolution or the early 240 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:50.720 initiation of pyramid building. A class of pyramids are like that, 241 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:55.119 you guys go, hey, this is of this. They're crude, 242 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:58.240 they're not necessarily as engineered as well, so forth, and 243 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:01.880 so on. And that is what we consider as archaeologists 244 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:04.599 of my or you as a minus would say this 245 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:05.759 is the starting point. 246 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:10.039 Oh, that's you know, it's a bit of a tricky one, 247 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:13.079 you know that it starts off with how do we 248 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:17.279 define pyramid? You know, is a is a hill of 249 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:21.480 dirt that's five meters taller pyramid? Or does it have 250 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:23.880 to get to like twenty before we call it a pyramid? 251 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:29.880 So we start with the beginnings of people making structures 252 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:33.519 that are you know, above natural ground. Well, heck, then 253 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:35.599 we you know, go back to like two thousand BCE. 254 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:39.640 But the first ones that we call pyramids are actually 255 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:42.440 there's two of them that are in the Maya area 256 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:45.440 and in the Elemec area, and they show up they're 257 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:49.839 so close to each other. The archaeologies Carbon fourteen dates 258 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:53.799 can't really definitively say which one came first. One of 259 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:57.880 them is the pyramid at Leventa, right, and it's about 260 00:18:58.039 --> 00:19:02.680 twenty five meters tall, huge, but it's all earthen And 261 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:06.160 the other one that is also all earth in is gosh, 262 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:09.960 it's it's in Guatemala and the silka Nusco and I'm 263 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:13.119 I'm blanking, I'll shot gun approach it. It's either at 264 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:19.559 the site of Paseo de Paso de la Mata or 265 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:22.160 La Blanca. But it's one of those two. I'm blanking 266 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:25.400 on which one has a pyramid about the same size, 267 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.400 And both of them are somewhere built between like five 268 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:34.839 hundred and six hundred BCE, says the Carbon fourteen dates. 269 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:37.640 But those are our two, and the Maya one is 270 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:40.519 earth a mile for more to pop up and the 271 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:42.720 earth and the one that the Maya built is that 272 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:44.359 earthen as well as that stone. 273 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:48.079 Yeah, the one down in Silka Nusco is earthen as well. Okay, 274 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:52.720 that's fascinating the first ones that we get built of stone, 275 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:56.680 are you know. There's there's a place also down there 276 00:19:56.759 --> 00:20:02.319 in Guatemala called Takalika Ba that has a reasonable size one. 277 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:07.920 There's across the border into Chiapas. Chiapa de Corzo has 278 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:10.359 a fairly old one. But both of those are kind 279 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:15.960 of Maya with a healthy dose of Olmec influence. Then, 280 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:19.640 of course, where Richard Hansen is in the ten, that's 281 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:24.400 when they start driving making these mega pyramids out of stone. 282 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:27.200 Yeah. I haven't talked to Richard in over a year, 283 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:30.440 so I don't know what his status is. I would 284 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:34.920 typically hope to hear from him and his newest finds 285 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:38.359 on a regular basis, but he's kind of gone silent. 286 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:42.200 Maybe that's a good thing. Well, I don't know. 287 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:47.720 Richard's been surrounded in Hornet's nests of late, so maybe 288 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:50.759 he has just taken a break. Yeah, you know, I 289 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:53.079 should Before we just get off the topic of pyramids, 290 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:56.759 let me not discredit the the Zapatacs who were all 291 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:01.759 so hard at it. By five hundred BC, they've built 292 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:07.119 the city of Monte alban and they're building stone built 293 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:11.279 pyramids there too, in the tradition of a place not 294 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:16.160 far from them called San Jose Magote, who's building the 295 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:20.480 first stone platforms of Wahaka. So there really is a 296 00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:26.359 I mean there there's a race, race of who's building 297 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:29.319 what first, and who's building up and who's influencing who. 298 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:33.720 It's a it's a complicated picture sometimes, you know, archaeology, 299 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:36.680 we get more information, it just confuses the situation rather 300 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:37.640 than clarifies it. 301 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:43.119 Yeah, Wahaka has got uh Tula too, doesn't it. 302 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:50.200 Tula's way up in northern Mexico. Uh kind of northwest 303 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:51.279 of Mexico. 304 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:54.839 City, trying to think, what's the site that Marco Vigato's 305 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:57.559 uh scanning right now with the archaeo. 306 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:02.759 That's that's Meetla Meatless. It's the Low Bop project in 307 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:06.640 the Wahaka Valley. Yeah, that's a that's a very's got 308 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:12.279 no pyramids though, just excellently built kind of priestly compounds. 309 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:16.160 And underground some underground rooms that are very suspicious. 310 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:18.839 Well that's the that's the story that has been told 311 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:21.880 since the sixteen hundreds, and I would be thrilled if 312 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:26.160 Marco found it. Yet he's just he's just in a 313 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:27.839 long line of people that are talking about it. 314 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:31.000 Let's see the holes. Marco. 315 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:34.519 Hey, before before we leave the Maya, you were on 316 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:38.960 Lex Freeman's program too, and he has a huge audience. 317 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:42.000 Add in a couple of the friends. 318 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:44.640 They're telling me my emails just like even as we're going, 319 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:46.079 it's going bing bing bing. 320 00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:50.119 Yeah, what was that all about? Was he kind of 321 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:52.640 following up on the announcement that you were on ancient 322 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:55.200 apocalypse or what? What was that? No? 323 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:58.880 No, he found me independently. Two weeks before me. He 324 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:04.319 had an even more popular professor from Great Courses already. 325 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:05.480 Is his name? Did great. 326 00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:09.799 He's like at two million views right now. But apparently 327 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:14.440 Lex is uh you know, a broad intellectual and as 328 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:18.559 he takes his runs around the lake in Austin, he 329 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:21.319 listens to great courses and he listened to mine and said, 330 00:23:21.319 --> 00:23:22.880 I like this guy, and he called me up. 331 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:26.400 Wonderful. So where was his Where was the interview? It 332 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:27.839 was in his studio somewhere. 333 00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:29.279 Yeah, Austin, Texas. 334 00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:34.759 Oh, he's that's so funny. Everyone's in Austin. Now, you 335 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:35.440 were there. 336 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:37.319 I was Joe's neighbor. 337 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:40.119 It's said, it'll be ironic if Joe invites me on 338 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:41.480 his show and I just moved. 339 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:43.119 I could have just walked down the street. 340 00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:45.000 Oh you were that close. That's right. You always told 341 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:46.119 me that. That's interesting. 342 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:49.839 Uh So anyhow, you just to clarify, though Joe's in 343 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:51.559 the cool part of the neighborhood, I was in the 344 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:52.519 kind of jankie part. 345 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.799 Yeah, we should say as now in Colorado, he's not 346 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:02.039 a Texas resident anymore. All right, Well, hey, that's great. 347 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:08.680 Onward for you and you'll be the Maya darling, the 348 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:12.079 Mayanist of the media, is what we'll expect in the 349 00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:12.799 future from you. 350 00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:15.519 Well, here we go tiger by the tail. 351 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:19.720 Great, all right, today we're talking about Easter Island Rapanui, 352 00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:23.119 and let's talk about how you got involved in your 353 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:25.680 interest in that, and then we want to get into 354 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:30.559 some specifics. But you actually have done some surveying there. 355 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:34.319 What was that all about? Yeah, you know, I used 356 00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:34.960 to not talk. 357 00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:37.759 About it at all because I was working for the 358 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:45.079 very first ever Rapanui administration, who, for the first time 359 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.880 in one hundred and seventeen years, actually had control over 360 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.279 their own ancestral sites. 361 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:53.960 So I talked to them and. 362 00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:56.000 Said, hey, you know, I know that Chili has a 363 00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:59.160 map that they don't really share with you, and I 364 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:01.160 would like to come in and make you a map. 365 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:01.680 That's all yours. 366 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:05.039 So I did one third of that, and I promised 367 00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:07.920 them I would not talk about it or publish anything 368 00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:11.640 before U before they had a chance to and to 369 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:17.279 approve anything I would say. But COVID exploded the whole thing, 370 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:21.960 and now there's a brand new administration of this Malhanua 371 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:26.200 operation who uh does not know who I am, does 372 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:29.079 not like the old administration and the and and the 373 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:32.559 old administration took every computer out of the office, so 374 00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:35.200 there's really no even evidence that I made that map 375 00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:38.039 for them. I'm looking forward to when when you and 376 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:40.920 I go back to Easter Island on my off time, 377 00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:43.720 I'm going to walk over to that office and redeliver 378 00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:46.279 all that and see whether I can make a new 379 00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:49.039 friend at the Malhanu office and finish what I started. 380 00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:54.839 Did you reveal any of the survey material to the 381 00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:56.480 administration when you were there? 382 00:25:57.559 --> 00:25:57.680 Oh? 383 00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:00.720 Yeah, they were. We worked in conjunct with them. They 384 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:03.960 gave us these cool little vests that said Malhanua. We 385 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:07.400 were part of their team, and we delivered everything we 386 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:11.400 had on the spot and our developed maps, and there's there. 387 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.000 It's a funny place. There's only like eight thousand people 388 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:17.559 probably less after COVID that live on the island, so 389 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:20.599 everybody knows everybody. I know where the guy that has 390 00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:26.079 the information is. He's helping his grandparents rebuild their house 391 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:29.920 somewhere on one edge of the island. It's it's there, 392 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.160 But I'll bring it back and hopefully I'm gonna work 393 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:35.359 on making a new friend and finish what I started there. 394 00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:38.240 Yeah. Well, we want to hear in a bit exactly 395 00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:44.440 what you discovered in your survey. When does Repanui come 396 00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:48.799 on the scene historically, when do we begin hearing about it. 397 00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:53.440 Well, at the risk of disappointing your audience, I mean 398 00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:58.839 the archaeology, the carbon fourteen dates that are actually published 399 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:02.160 and collected properly. They really don't push the dates any 400 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:07.640 farther back than say, nine hundred CE. It was, as 401 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:09.839