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Speaker 1: Welcome back every once with a new episode of You

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Were Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The

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Federalist and David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner.

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Just as a reminder, if you'd like to email the show,

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please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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We love to hear from you. Molly, Happy Holy.

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Speaker 2: Week, Thank you very much, and to you, you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to passover for me. But yeah, same, not

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the same idea, but it is.

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Speaker 2: They're strongly related. So the passover story in the Old

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Testament is where we mark when God directs choose to

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place blood on their door posts to pass over the

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angel of death. And then Jesus is the ultimate passover

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in the that he dies for the sins of the world.

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So they are related. And also it takes place at

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the same time as the passover, when Jesus is preparing

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for the past, when everyone's preparing for the passover is

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when the passion takes place.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about politics, Molly, and let's start with the

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Supreme Court. Now, let me just preface what we're going

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to talk about by saying that I don't think that

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the founder has ever envisioned the Supreme Court taking such

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a aggressive or assertive role in governing the country. I think

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the country would have fallen apart a long time ago

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if it hadn't been for this Supreme Court, which is,

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I believe imperfect, but upholds constitutional order more than any

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other branch right now, And you know, we've talked about

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this before, and I wrote about it last week again,

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So why don't you talk a little bit about sence.

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I think you have a much more expertise on this,

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about the case, about the recent case with the Al

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Salvadoran who well, I believe the administration said that they

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had accidentally sent him to this prison in Al Salvador,

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but I'm not exactly sure how the Supreme Court ruled

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on it.

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Speaker 2: I actually just want to take issue with a couple

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of things you already said about the Supreme Court. I

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do think we know that the founders never intended the

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court to be particularly strong, because they said as much.

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You know, Federalists number seventy eight says that the judicial

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branch will have less power than the executive and legislative

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branches because they have neither force nor the purse. They

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can't sorry that loud sound. It can't have the power

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that these other people do. Then we have early on

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in the Republic's history, the Chief Justice of the United

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States taking quite a bit of power, asserting that the

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Supreme Court determines whether something is constitutional or not, you know,

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which we just take for granted, but is kind of

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an invention. And then you said that the Court was

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the You didn't say least dangerous, said it was the best.

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Speaker 1: I am saying that, yeah, it's the best functioning branch

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as far as the constitutional order goes.

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Speaker 2: Right now, that line the least dangerous branch is another

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line from Hamilton in Federalist seventy eight. But the Supreme

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Court actually caused a great deal of damage in its

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history when it started being used as a legislature. You know,

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when FDR was trying to push through some of his

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radical progressive ideas and threaten the Court to comply or

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else be packed. And they you know, there's a debate

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about whether that happened or not. But you had like

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fifty years of the Court just ignoring the Constitution and

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just deciding to do things that they thought that the

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people should have decided through the legislative branches, and that failure,

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that decision that they made, and the length that that

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went on, and you know, still still can go on.

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I mean it's it was like fifty solid years but

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it petered out. It's still you know, it still happens

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying I'm not saying it's always been

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for sure, it has been a destructive force.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, before I would say, kind of originalist philosophy

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came back and then finally to whatever extent, was successful

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in the Supreme Court. Yeah, one hundred percent agree. I mean,

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in recent years, starting maybe with Citizens United onward, I

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think it's upheld constitutional order and freedom is better than

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any branch. Of course, it's made big mistakes. I think Obamacare,

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for instance, was a massive mistake, but just generally that's

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, no, I think it has been the best

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Speaker 1: Yes, it certainly is. But what I mean is you

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feel like things have fallen apart sometimes where judge it,

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you know, lower court judges just interject themselves clearly undermining

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the present the executive's power and ways it shouldn't and

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then also you have the executive you know, so you know,

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and it's not just Trump. I think it's been actually

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really accelerated under a bomb and so forth, acting in

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ways that they also think they're a legislature, which they

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are not. You know, you have presidents just signing declaration

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and edicts, you know, left and right, and it's not

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how it's supposed to be. So anyway, sometimes I think

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the court comes in and they reinstitute some kind of

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procedural you know, normalcy into what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Yep, okay, So what were you asking about about.

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Speaker 1: The L Salvadorian guy? What was his name? Kilmar Garcia.

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I have to say I'm slightly confused about this case.

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of these L. Salvadorian prisons. Now I have a very

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different outlook on someone like Mukhaliel, who I don't think

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I want here as a citizen or as a student

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or anything. That we send him back home. And it's

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a little different when you pick someone up and you

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send them to a form prison, right. I just you know,

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and I believe the administration said that it was an

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administrative error to send him. That's not to say he's

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not in a gang or whatever, but don't you whatever.

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I feel like we need a little higher level of

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process in these cases, because you're not just sending someone

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to another country or sending them to a prison. And

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how I you know, what I see happening is that

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the court said you have to facilitate his release from

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that prison, not that you have to bring him back.

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I might have that wrong. And that the Trump administration says,

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we can't tell El Salvador what to do. We can't

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bring this guy back. I think Jdvan said, what are

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we going to do? Invade L Salvador? But honestly, if

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we want L Salvador to do something and we pressure them,

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they will, I think do it. So anyway, I don't

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know exactly what to make of all that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and forgive me if I get any of these

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details wrong as well. But okay, so this guy who

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the media call a Maryland man is not a Maryland man.

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He's actually an illegal alien and a member of MS thirteen.

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According to various court holdings who is in He was

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in the country illegally, and he had gone through all

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sorts of court processes for being deported. Right at the

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end when he loses, like the final case, he starts

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saying that actually he cannot go back to El Salvador,

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which is where you normally send people who are from

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El Salvador here illegally, because he, like fifteen years prior,

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his mother had been involved in a bakery business or something,

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and then bad elements had tried to take over that business,

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and so if he went over, if he went back home,

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then he would be in danger of being killed by

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these thugs from like a rival gang or something. So

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it's like a last minute plea he makes that because

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of some very long ago history, he can't go back

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to El Salvador. It's widely understood that this was not

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a real claim so much as an attempt to stay

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in the United States and anything you can do to

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kind of like slow down the process helps, But the

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court did find for him that he couldn't go back

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to El Salvador. So this guy who's to be deported

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is accidentally sent to El Salvador, he can go to

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another country. He will go to another country, or if

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the Left has its way they think they're trying to

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get him back, he's not coming back. He will go

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to another country other than El Salvador. If they're able

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to effectuate that. But it's not a question of whether

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he should be in this country here illegally or could

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stay in the country here illegally, but whether he was

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to be sent to El Salvador or not. But he

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was sent to El Salvador. He was, and the United

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States has admitted that they made an error in that

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when all the other ms thirteen people were sent to

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a prison in El Salvador, he should not have been

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in that group. He should have been sent to like

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Gimo or a different country. No, I guess not Gypmo,

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that point, so it works its way through the courts

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and makes it to the Supreme Court, and this left

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wing judge in a lower court, a Maryland federal judge,

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I think Obama donor. She said that basically they had

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to immediately facilitate and effectuate his return to the United

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States by Monday, April seventh. Well as Trump appeals that

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order from her, the deadline passes, he appeals to the

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Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court issues it's a response

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in which they say that part of her order is

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upheld and part isn't. And they point out that her

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word use of effectuate, they don't really know what that means,

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and that she should clarify that, and also, you know,

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the deadline had passed and various other things. But it

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was a very mealy mouthed order from the Supreme Court,

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albeit unanimous. You rarely get unanimous things from the court,

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or you rarely get unanimous things on contentious issues. And

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as soon as it was released, the judge in the

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case and the Trump people just had wildly different interpretations

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of what the Supreme Court meant, and so much of

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the criticism now is directed at the court, for you know,

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clearly they wanted to just send it back to the

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judge and kind of hint to her that she should

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issue a new order that was not so crazy. She

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didn't get that message, and the Trump team saw that

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message loud and clear, and so they're now disputing what

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the meaning of the message is. So it's going to

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go back to the court, and my point just being

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they should just issue much more decisive orders immediately. It

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saves them time, and a bunch of them are too

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scared to do that, or they're playing games with each other,

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and it's kind of getting ridiculous. I agree, with you.

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They are far and away the best branch we've got going,

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but they need to just grow some spines and clarify

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things decisively. They're not helping anybody with these mealy mouthed,

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confusing orders where they expect other people to stand up

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without clear direction.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to push back on something you're doing.

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I guess is that perhaps it is not a clear order.

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the dude in a prison and all Salvador. So I

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mean it's understood that the administration has to make some

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effort if it's abiding by a court order, to facilitate

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the person's release or bring them back. Certainly, saying oh,

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we can't do anything is not the correct answer to

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any interpretation of that order. Or I read that wrong.

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Speaker 2: So no, I think you're right. The Supreme Court said

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that the District Court's order needed clarification. That particularly, they

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they did believe that the lower court order requirement to

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facilitate the dude's released from custody in El Salvador was proper,

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but they didn't think that the term effectuate was clear

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and that it exceeded the District Court's authority and then

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they ended their order by saying that the district Court

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should clarify its directive, but the government should be prepared

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to share what it can. I mean, I don't know.

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It was just it was very confusing to people. I

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don't think anyone has a clear understanding of what the

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court was saying.

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Speaker 1: It feels like it feels like to me that Joe

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Biden and Democrats open the border purposely let people come

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in here, did very little to facilitate their departure. Right

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so Donald Trump comes in immediately, the border is shut

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down from what I'm reading, right like, all that nonsense

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about having to pass new laws, having to do this

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or that was nonsense from the beginning. But it seems

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like because of this urgency they are, you know, and

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I think rightly I want to say to me, this

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isn't about whether I want gang members here or not.

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I don't want any gang members here. In fact, I

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don't want anyone who's illegal in this country here, so

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I want to get rid of them. But that they

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are using every tool possible and sometimes maybe pushing the

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limits of what the of kind of bypassing any kind

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of process to do it and making mistakes do you

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think that's a fair thing to say, and that maybe

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that's going to backfire on them and undermine what they're

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trying to do in a large you know, in a

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broader sense, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Barack Obama and Joe Biden completely flung open the border,

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welcomed millions upon millions upon millions of illegal immigrants in

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made it very difficult to get rid of them. Nobody

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said boo about the violation of rule of law with

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just bringing in millions of illegal immigrants, many of them

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like who were released from prisons in order to in

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order to help foreign situations and brought right to the

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United States, who commit like major crimes, who are burdens

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on the healthcare system, who are burdens on the educational system,

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frequently in not wealthy communities, and nobody cared about the

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rule of law at this time. Nobody said, like, this

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is a violation of the rule of law to allow

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and welcome in illegal immigrants, like it was all just

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viewed as great, and there were sanctuary cities and sanctuary

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states and people saying, like, what if we gave a

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lot of federal taxpayer money to NGOs to help these

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illegal immigrants and it was just a complete and utter

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breakdown of rule of law, and the courts basically did nothing,

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including like the Court once upheld thanks to John Roberts

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IIBL this was upheld Obama's Dreamers program, and then when

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Trump tried to close it, they said, you can't do it.

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He through executive order could just like allow a bunch

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of people to become citizens or get a pathway to citizenship.

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That was fine. And when Trump used the same power

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to shut it down, they said, you can't do that.

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So the Supreme Court is not covered in glory here.

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They were part of the problem in allowing a complete

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breakdown of rule of law and a major part of

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prohibiting the solution to it under the first Hump administration

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and allowing these lower courts to just run wild with

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injunctions against various immigration orders. And it is appalling to Americans,

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can't win. You can't do anything to stop people opening

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up the borders, and you can't do anything to close

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the border, and you just don't have a country if

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you have that. So I don't think we should downplay

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the seriousness of the problem, the role the Court had

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in perpetuating the problem and how weak they're being now

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that the American people, you know, they did vote for

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someone different than Washington, d C. And a big part

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of his consistent message has been to deport illegal aliens,

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and the courts are saying, well, what if we have

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a vote and we say you can't, not based on

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rule of law, but just based on like shenanigans in

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game playing. And the Supreme Court doing anything other than

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saying stop, You've got to respect like, you've got to

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respect the other branches and you can't do this. Anything

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other than anything short of that is for many Americans

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pretty appalling.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm sure you know. Unfortunately, I think we're

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going to be talking about this a lot.

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an investment plan, you'll.

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Speaker 1: The next topic Harvard UH Donald Trump cut off was it?

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How much money was it? I'm sorry, I think it

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was two billions two point two billion, and the federal

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funding that went.

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Speaker 2: To the UH yes, two point two billion, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Went to Harvard. He had a list of demands that

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Harvard had to meet. They did not. They said they

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would rather not take the money and the demands. I honestly,

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I'm up two minds with this. I think it's good

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that colleges don't take money from the government, no matter

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who's in charge of the government and who wants to

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dictate how they teach private colleges. So the idea that

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we've been giving them this much money, taxpayer money, is

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insane to begin with, considering Harvard has a massive endowment.

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Speaker 2: Went two billion dollar endowment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just just a Hedge funded right, I mean, so

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it's insane. Now, of course, I want there to be

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less anti semitism at Harvard. I want Harvard to have,

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you know, to not to continue to lean on affirmative

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action which courts found is you know, is illegal. So

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all of that's true, but I don't like when government

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dictates what they do, even if I agree with what

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the government's asking the school to do. My position on

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this is, I'm not sure why we're giving any schools,

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private schools, any money. Did you know? This is a

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stat I learned yesterday. I don't know if you knew this.

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Probably did. They're over one hundred colleges and universities that

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have over a billion dollar endowments. Right. The average college

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endowment of major schools is two hundred and forty three

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million dollars, right, Why are they taking getting any more

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tax money? In fact, why are we even guaranteeing or

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giving student loans. Why don't they loan money to their

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own students and that way, maybe they'll bring the tuition down,

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or maybe they will give those kids that kind of

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education and degrees that will actually help them in life.

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Because right now there's a moral hazard where schools just

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stand out money to anyone because they know that the

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Feds and the taxpayers will back those loans. So I

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think the whole situation is insane to begin with. Setting

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aside what's happening exactly with Harvard.

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Speaker 2: Harvard is one of the wealthiest corporations in the world

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and gets two point two billion dollars in taxpayer funding

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a year. It's not just insane, it's enraging. It's such

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a great example of the corruption of our country and

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our system. And they didn't say they wouldn't take the money.

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They said they just weren't going to comply with Trump's demands.

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Now people point out that that might mean that they

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don't get the money, But if any federal judge in

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America has anything to say with it, in a week,

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Supreme Court to back them up, they're going to get

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the money. There's nothing you can do. Harvard seeks the

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destruction of our country, and you're paying for it, and

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I'm paying for it, and you can do and I mean,

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I kind of wish the elites who run things would

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think about the downstream effects here of what you do

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to people when you tell them you are subsidizing one

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of the wealthiest institutions in the world, which seeks to

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destroy the American family, the founding ideals capitalism, you know,

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borders whatever. Like they're the bad guys, and you're paying

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for it, and you're paying for it, and there's nothing

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that you can do to stop it. One of the

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things they refused to do was to check their faculty

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for plagiarism, which I just found kind of funny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for AI run it through plagiarism machine and AI checker.

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I mean, the member wasn't the president of Harvard, like

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not long ago, Like, didn't we find out she had

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all kinds of plagiarism. She did all kinds of plagiarisms.

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Speaker 2: It's maybe a hiring requirement that you plagiarize other people's

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works and get taxpayer funded for it. The other thing

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that was bothering me about this is I'm affiliated with

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Hillsdale College. I'm senior Journalism Fellow there and we have

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not taken federal funding ever. And it is hard to

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not take federal funding. As we just noted, there's lots

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of money to be had and to raise your own

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funds and to build an elite institution as we have,

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it's just it's taken a lot of work, a lot

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of vision, and it's been very, very difficult. We have

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created a school that undoubtedly provides a far far better

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education than Harvard, and we've done it without taxpayer subsidy.

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It's unfair that Harvard gets to compete, you know, with

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Hillsdale and become this like massive corporation with taxpayer subsidi subsidizing.

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It's just like an unfair economic practice. And the idea

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that you know, and I'm emphasizing again, they didn't say

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they wouldn't take the money. They just said they weren't

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going to comply with the demands from the federal government.

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They'll probably still get the money. It just strikes me

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as a problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a huge problem. It's a huge problem because

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it's you know what it is, it's cronyism in the

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same way corporation. You know, cronyism works in government. For instance,

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you have Harvard or Columbia or Georgetown or whoever, rent

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seeking with government, getting all kinds of goodies, getting all

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the funding for like you know, research or whatever. Oftentimes

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you know, left wingers run all this, so they send

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you know, the funnel money to like climate change research

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or gender studies or whatever nonsense is going on, and

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then real, you know, so then everyone knows I have

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to go into those fields to get the money. Like

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they distort education in a completely ridiculous way. And then

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a school like Hills there or some private school that

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doesn't want the government because usually it's the Biden administration

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or Obama some left when you're telling them what to do,

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not Donald Trump. You know, this is new to them,

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all of a sudden. Academic freedom and all of that.

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But they don't care about academic freedom at all in

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places like you know, Harvard and Columbia, as long as

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the academics are transgressive and hate America, you know, and

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all that. So the whole system is distorted in the

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way you distort capitalism. I'm sorry. You know, these things

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should be privatized, not relying on government funding. It's kind

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of unfair now because you have these schools with massive

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insallets and other small schools trying to compete with them,

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and they're still funneling money, send money to private schools

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that teach kids a classical education or whatever. I mean,

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it's ridiculous. I mean, I'd rather not do that either,

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But because I just don't think I want the government

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involved in educating people anymore, because they've done they do

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such a horrible job in public schools, we're going to

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let them do it in higher education as well. I mean,

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I think we have a real problem where there are

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so many graduates and so many people I see credentialed

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out in the world who sound like dimwits to me.

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You know, they don't sound like they're like they have

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a holistic understanding in the world or a understanding of

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traditional ideas. I don't know. I think they're a cancer.

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A cancer. I don't know how to fix it. But

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cutting off the money, and you're saying they're not going

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to have this money cut off.

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Speaker 2: I'm just assuming a federal judge will place function the

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Supreme Court will say you need to clarify how you're

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going to do this, and then it'll drag on for

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four years. Then there will be a new administration, and

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in the meantime there will be yeah, there will be

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a stay on as if it passes prologue, there will

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be a judge will put a stay on the freezing

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of funds, meaning the funds will have to continue as

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it works its way through the court. And then eventually

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Amy Cony Barrett and John Roberts will side with the

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left wing justices and say that Harvard has an absolute

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right to billions of dollars of taxpayer funding.

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Speaker 1: A year.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's my prediction.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, like I don't have a letter in

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front of me, but the Trump administration, I think asks

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for like merit based firing, you know, merit based admissions.

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You should be like, of course we want these things.

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Of course we want these things in Harvard.

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Speaker 2: Well, when you take federal funding, you're supposed to do

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what the federal government says, which is a big reason

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why Hillsdale doesn't take the funding. And for a long time,

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the federal government has just said do all these like

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really bad things that hurt the country. Trump's trying to say, okay, well,

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what if instead of the bad things that we demanded

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that universities do, we instead said good things like check

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for plagiarism and do merit based pay and protect your

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students and stuff like that. That check that comes from

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the government comes with many strings attached, and Trump's trying

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to say the strings should be good strings instead of

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bad strings. He'll fail, like presumably if the courts have

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it anything to do with it, and the Supreme Court

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will do nothing to stop it. But it does remind

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me of my favorite thing from the first Trump administration,

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which is when Princeton responded to the shakedown from the

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BLM movement by saying that they were an evil, corrupt,

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racist institution. One of the things in the Marxist BLM

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movement that you had to do was to say that

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you're racist. And until you could say you were racist,

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you weren't allowed to talk about it. So I just

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want to say, I think I've shared this before, but

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in my neighborhood, my neighbors put up signs with little

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maps to their houses that said ending racism begins here,

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meaning it begins in this house because that house is

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full to the brim with racists, and so they're going

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to end racism in their house and then they're going

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to end it elsewhere, so you have to admit it yourself.

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So for years and they still have them up five

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years later, by the way, and I have continued to

479
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do this On every mother bleeping walk I do with

480
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my kids, I stop in front of the house. I

481
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say to the kids, kids, racists live here, and I

482
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:53,240
don't want you to ever be racist. Don't be a racist.

483
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Racists live in this house. And by the way, they

484
00:27:56,319 --> 00:28:00,319
must be the world's worst racists because they've supposedly been

485
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:03,119
working on eradicating their racism for five years and they've

486
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,599
not made like a single step in a positive direction,

487
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:10,960
so they must be bad anyway. Princeton University says, ending

488
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racism starts here, and we are chief among all the sinners.

489
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We are the worst sinners on racism that you have

490
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,759
ever encountered. And the Trump Education Department was like, are

491
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,200
you now, well, as you know, that's a violation of

492
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,599
federal law and we're not allowed to give funding to

493
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racist institutions. So since you say you're racist, we're going

494
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to treat you like you're racist. And it was just

495
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to me, a brilliant response to the BLM, but then

496
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it all ended.

497
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Speaker 1: But Princeton is right. They are. They were made into

498
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an elite school by Wodrow Wilson, who graduated from there,

499
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:46,279
one of the biggest racists and worst Americans who ever lived.

500
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Speaker 2: So I wouldn't be surprised self to see more of

501
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:55,680
this type of approach, Like, yes, Princeton was founded by

502
00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:02,160
someone who was very insidious racist. Harvard is racist right now.

503
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:07,400
They seek to be racist. They took their right to

504
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,720
be racist to the Supreme Court. They want to be

505
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:13,960
racist in their admissions practices. They're racist and they're hiring practices,

506
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,680
they're proud of their racism. Well, it is illegal to

507
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,200
be racist if you're tax payer funded, and I think

508
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:24,599
the Trump administration should start holding all these schools to account. Like, okay,

509
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,799
you you in you know your board says that you

510
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:31,319
believe in critical race theory. Well that's at odds with

511
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:33,799
American law, where we do not believe you're allowed to

512
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:36,240
be racist with tax pay funding. So maybe that's a

513
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:36,920
way to try it.

514
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Speaker 1: There are a bunch of a bunch of anti Semitic

515
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,440
nit you know, zealots on staff there, and let's just

516
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:47,559
say they were racist, similar kind of thing. You know,

517
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:51,480
the Obama administration wouldn't keep funding a school that had

518
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:55,359
clansmen teaching kids, right, I mean it's the government has

519
00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:58,079
no responsibility to give you in money or fund you.

520
00:29:58,119 --> 00:29:59,920
And if they do, they have you know, they can,

521
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,400
like you said, they can make rules for you to follow,

522
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which is exactly what other administrations did. No one really care.

523
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:09,359
It reminds me of this. You know, the left is like,

524
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,480
we're going to do whatever we want and you're going

525
00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:13,480
to help pay for it. I'm going to come to

526
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:15,759
this country and say I want to tear down Western

527
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,200
civilization and you're going to have to make me a citizen.

528
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,680
It's just this entitlement that these people have that we

529
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,319
have to destroy ourselves, like it's it's insanity. I mean,

530
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:28,400
we have no reason to sit here and allow people

531
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,079
going to be bad citizens to come here. We have

532
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:32,279
no reason to sit around and let people just walk

533
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:34,359
into the country because they decide they want to do it,

534
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,680
while other people follow the rules and do it the

535
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,519
correct way. You know, I'm just ranting today.

536
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: No, I feel that way, And I was actually wanting

537
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,640
to mention something like that with the first topic, Like

538
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I believe so strongly in due process and to me

539
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:56,720
is the cornerstone of civilization, and I think it was

540
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:59,920
Stephen Miller made this point. To bring in like an

541
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:06,440
invading army of fifteen twenty million illegal aliens and then

542
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:10,319
to say that they are all accorded the due process

543
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,200
rights of an American citizen, means it would take even

544
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,559
if like people got to work on it immediately and

545
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:20,319
worked around the clock two hundred years to deal with

546
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:28,000
the with the illegal immigrants brought in by Democrat border policies.

547
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,400
That's also an injustice to the American people. It means

548
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:38,160
immediate response, not like two hundred years from now. If

549
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,680
it all goes well, we'll litigate all the cases of

550
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,599
the people who are alive today. Like obviously that's not

551
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:49,039
going to happen, but the it's a system that is

552
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:56,599
teetering in terms of respectability and legitimacy, and court should

553
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,359
be aware of that.

554
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: There should be I mean, if there any kind of

555
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,559
reform and immigration law should be to streamline the ability

556
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,319
to send people back home takes too long. There are

557
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:10,400
immigration judges that can be done faster, or maybe we

558
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,960
need more. I don't know. I'm not an expert on

559
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,200
the system, but it's not working.

560
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Speaker 2: I just want to say, and again, sorry to go

561
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,880
back to this other thing now, that guy who was

562
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,160
wrongly deported to El Salvador because of his claim that

563
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,960
he would be endanger in El Salvador, he does not

564
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:26,000
have a right to come back to the United States.

565
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,400
The courts will and have found that he should not

566
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be an l Salvador. So the best that everyone's hoping

567
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,079
for is that there will be a different prison in

568
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:38,960
a different country that can take him.

569
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Speaker 1: For me, I don't even care about that, dude. I'm sorry,

570
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,920
you know, but when I say, listen, there's a court order.

571
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,400
You should try to live by that court order. It's

572
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,640
a system we have. It's imperfect, and people like, why

573
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,079
are you defending you know, gang members. I'm not. I

574
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:55,279
don't care about him. I just I think when things

575
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:57,000
start breaking down, as I've said, and I think in

576
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the last two weeks we've spoken about stuff like this,

577
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you know, it starts, it's become something that corodes the system.

578
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So I don't have all the answers to it, but

579
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that's I'm slightly concerned about that. I'm slightly concerned that

580
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we're just you know, throwing people into probably a pretty

581
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:14,359
bad place at jail that, you know. I want to

582
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make sure the next guy, if he is illegal or not,

583
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:19,400
is not thrown into a prison, that he is maybe

584
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sent home, you know, or it's not accidentally you know,

585
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,200
it's inhumane to do something like that. I mean, I

586
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think we can all agree on that.

587
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Speaker 2: No, No, I don't agree with that. I'm not really

588
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,279
worried about him being an El Salvador and even when

589
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he even if he were to get out of prison

590
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and return to free life in Al Salvador, and I

591
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,960
don't think. I think what's in humane is what's been

592
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,599
done to the country, and that's what I'm really concerned about.

593
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I am first and foremost concerned about fellow citizens that

594
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they be free from crime from illegal elements. It's hard

595
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,519
not to deal with crime from legal elements. It's intolerable

596
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:02,079
to deal with the rapes, the child kidnapping and the

597
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:07,599
murder and the theft from the criminal illegal element. There's

598
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,920
also just the issue like I've been dealing with some

599
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,199
health problems recently and I had to go to the

600
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,000
emergency room. It was crazy. I went to the emergency

601
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:21,320
room and it was empty, and I was like, oh, right,

602
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,840
because we're enforcing border law and people are like slightly

603
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,920
worried about using ers as their primary care right now,

604
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:37,119
right very civilized. My friends in Texas report that the

605
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:41,440
walmarts are pretty much like you're able to go in

606
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:44,440
and shop and just get stuff, and like it's not

607
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:50,079
overrun with like words of people who are there illegally.

608
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It's just there are all these things that have been

609
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:56,840
allowed to happen to the country, and everyone was told

610
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,360
you just kind of have to accept it. Or like

611
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,039
my mom was a public school t and talking with

612
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:03,840
some of her friends about just sometimes like you'd be

613
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,800
in a small town and it would be all of

614
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,519
a sudden that you had to devote all of your

615
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:12,079
resources to ESL because of a massive influx of illegal

616
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:17,320
aliens who were using the schools. These things affect people

617
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:21,239
and in real ways, and nobody seems to care. And

618
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,559
then they're like, well, this guy who's a criminal and

619
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:27,079
affiliated with MS thirteen might not be treated well in

620
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this prison.

621
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Speaker 1: Well you keep skipping, all right, Well, first of all,

622
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that's I'm going to tell you I am not for

623
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:37,119
any of that. I want all legals out of this country.

624
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,280
You skip the part where we don't know whether the

625
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,559
man is a violent criminal or not, whether we should

626
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:47,360
just throw him out or throw him into a prison

627
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,840
somewhere without any due process. I think it matters, That's

628
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,159
all I'm saying. Of course, I don't. I want emergency

629
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,920
rooms not to have illegals in them and people to

630
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,679
follow the law. I just think it's slightly a false choice.

631
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,239
That's on saying you're saying you care more about Americans,

632
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,480
which is like saying I don't. I do.

633
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 2: I do not kill people who are like so folk like. Also,

634
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,400
I'm just really annoyed that a bunch of people who

635
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,840
did not care at all about the violation of the

636
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,199
rule of law with the border openings, not to mention

637
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,800
like a whole string of assaults like the war against

638
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,760
any Republican who challenged the twenty twenty election, whether they

639
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,280
were the lowly J six protesters or Donald Trump or

640
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,880
John Eastman, all of a sudden coming out and saying,

641
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:33,360
you know.

642
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 4: If we don't care about rule of law hear her

643
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:40,519
for illegals, then we might see a situation in the

644
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:45,199
future where rule of law isn't isn't something that other people.

645
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: Are held to. It's like where have you been? Like

646
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:55,719
where have you been? The previous Attorney general openly oversaw

647
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,639
a complete breakdown of rule of law, and there was

648
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,360
no calls for impeachment. They were like, oh, Merrick Garland here,

649
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,480
he's a nice guy, you know. Like just these silent,

650
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:09,760
silent or very meek voices are now very loudly saying

651
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:12,760
I'm very worried about the due process rights of this

652
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,000
MS thirteen member.

653
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: Hey all, I'm going to say, and.

654
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,559
Speaker 2: By the way, breaking into the country is a crime,

655
00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:21,960
and I'm sick of people saying it's not a crime.

656
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:26,360
He is a criminal, he's illegally illegally, he was illegally

657
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,039
in the country. That's a crime. We need to treat

658
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:30,960
it like a crime, because it is a crime.

659
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Speaker 1: I just want to speak on my own behalf and

660
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,719
say that I spoke up against all that stuff in

661
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,239
Merrick Garland and everything else. And I'm not I agree

662
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,079
with what you're saying, but there's levels of criminality we

663
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:48,599
can acknowledge that. I you know, you don't want to

664
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:50,480
throw everyone in the same terrible prison. You want to

665
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,039
get him out of the country. That's all I'm saying.

666
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:53,679
I just want to know that we're sending people to

667
00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:56,039
the right place, don't. I don't think that that is

668
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:58,639
such a I don't think that underminds any of my

669
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:00,599
other positions or anything you've actually said.

670
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Speaker 2: I just want to also say you said that a

671
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,119
court has never found that he was S thirteen, and

672
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:09,199
he wasn't like charged with being MS thirteen, but a

673
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:14,360
court did say that evidence showed Abrego Garcia is a

674
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verified member of MS thirteen.

675
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I want to say I don't think that

676
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:24,400
an illegal alien here should have the due process rights

677
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,159
of an American citizen. We can do that. That's impossible,

678
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,519
but there should be some kind of level of some

679
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:34,119
standard that we make a distinction between people who have

680
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:37,039
engaged in violent criminality or gang members and a person

681
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:40,000
who wanders into pick some whatever. Orange is right.

682
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Speaker 2: After all of the process for concluding that he should

683
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be deported back to El Salvador, you know, had happened

684
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:49,559
like six months later. His lawyer was like, wait, I

685
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:51,559
have an idea. What if we say you can't be

686
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:55,880
deported to El Salvador because of like this alleged ancient

687
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:59,719
history gang intro warfare or something like that. So they

688
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,800
do that. He he has already been subject to a

689
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,519
deportation order for like six years. This attempt to keep

690
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:11,440
him from going back to El Salvador was like a

691
00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:14,079
last minute attempt to figure out a way to keep

692
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:20,239
him in the country by applying for asylum. You're right

693
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,519
that the court did hold that he can't be sent

694
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,719
back to El Salvador, and so there, you know, who

695
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,320
knows what can be done about that. I don't know

696
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,199
if I don't know how much the US can do

697
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,440
to effectuate that. But it was a mistake that they

698
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,239
sent him there. But nobody should feel like super bad

699
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,639
about it because I mean, I guess I don't want

700
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,480
to downplay it, but I don't I don't think many

701
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:42,480
observers view it as like a real thing.

702
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk a little bit about what happened. And

703
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,199
I actually would would kind of connect this to the

704
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,960
Harvard issue a little bit. But Jos Shapiro, governor of Pennsylvania,

705
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,719
his house was burnt down by an arsonist. It wasn't

706
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,159
completely burnt down, but it was a dangerous thing. People

707
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,159
die in houses at night, you know, when there's smoke

708
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,960
inhalation whatever. And this they found the guy and this

709
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,639
is all alleged, but you know, he was a leftist

710
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and one of the reasons he gave for doing it,

711
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,320
or I forget how it came about, was that he

712
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,800
was mad at Joshapiro for what Jos Shapiro was doing

713
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,119
to Palestine and the Palestinian people. Now, I wish I

714
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:27,480
could explain to this fellow that Josh Shapiro is a

715
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:30,679
governor of Pennsylvania, does not do anything as far as

716
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:33,880
foreign policy goes, and does nothing to the Palace, to

717
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,679
Palestine and Palestinian people. And let's face it, Joshapiro, he's Jewish,

718
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,440
and that is probably why this person made this connection particular.

719
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,480
You know, to him, there are many governors and many

720
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,559
senators and many politicians who are pro Israel out there.

721
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,679
We're kind of importing ideas of the Palestinians. Frankly, so

722
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,719
when I want to get rid of malch Mkhalil, and

723
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,000
everyone's like, well, he put his foot down in this country,

724
00:40:58,039 --> 00:40:59,960
so now he's got to be here forever. You know,

725
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:02,519
it's not illegal, like an illegal, But to me, he's

726
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:05,119
just as dangerous as any guy you know who walks

727
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:07,280
over the Mexican border. And there's no reason for us

728
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,840
to make people like that citizens, and there's no reason

729
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:15,679
for us to have them stay here anyway. What you

730
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,079
would you think when you heard that what happened.

731
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:21,519
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I just think it's horrible what happened.

732
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:24,639
The photos were alarming because I mean, it was not

733
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:29,760
a poor attempt at arson. It was clearly he was

734
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,960
using fast moving accelerant. You know, the pictures of one

735
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,719
of the rooms in the mansion showed pretty serious damage.

736
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:43,239
And fire is uncontrollable, so it can quickly get out

737
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,280
of control. The kids were in the house. This was

738
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,039
an attempt to assassinate Josh Shapiro and his and kill

739
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:58,880
his family. It's serious, and I'm also somewhat concerned that

740
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,079
the guy was able to get that access to You

741
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:06,440
would hope that Governor's mansions would have more security than

742
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:10,639
is evidenced by the success of this attack. And thanks

743
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:13,960
be to God that nobody was harmed or killed in it,

744
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:17,880
although just even the act of arsenal itself can be

745
00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:21,480
very traumatizing to the family, and I worry about, you know,

746
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:24,199
just what the kids feel about how safe they are.

747
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,599
Adults can process and handle this perhaps better than young children,

748
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,920
and so it should be treated with the utmost seriousness.

749
00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:36,079
I saw the report that he was motivated in part

750
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:41,559
by Josh Shapiro's stance toward Palestinians, and I wasn't sure

751
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,159
what the sourcing was, but it was from the search

752
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:49,840
warrant that the police wrote for going into properties associated

753
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:56,760
with the alleged arsonist, so they presumably had a basis

754
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:04,239
for this. And looking at this individual, it seems, and

755
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,480
looking at his online persona, it seems that he, a

756
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,800
like most people who commit political violence in this country,

757
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,320
was not the most sane person out there, and that

758
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,199
he had a wide variety of beliefs and hatred across

759
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,599
the political spectrum, but was probably best identified as like

760
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:27,280
a Democrat socialist or as a left lingening socialist. I

761
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,280
think his voting record is Democrat, and I do wonder

762
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,159
if this combination of information is why people aren't spending

763
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:39,119
as much time focusing on him as on the act

764
00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:42,920
of violence as they should. He doesn't fit into the

765
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:45,119
you know, it's not a right winger who went after Shapiro.

766
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:47,679
He's a left winger, and he's a left winger who

767
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,679
happens to share the viewpoint of that fringe, but solid

768
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,440
not fringe, that minority, but solid portion of the Democrat

769
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,360
Party that opposes Israel.

770
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: Every time something happens like this, and I'm not saying

771
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,880
that political violence only comes from the left, I know

772
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,440
that's not true. But whenever this happens, we wait, we

773
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,559
see what, who did it and when. If a right

774
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:13,000
winger did it, we have a national conversation about right

775
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,840
wing violence and everything, and if a left winger did it,

776
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,960
we have a conversation about right wing violence again. You know,

777
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:23,320
like it's always the same. But I've written this many times,

778
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,079
and the left wing has a far larger, broader history

779
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:30,559
of political violence in this country going back to the

780
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:33,599
early nineteen hundreds than the right. It's not even close.

781
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,840
I mean it's not a competition or anything, but this

782
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,960
idea that you know, you know, maga people are terroristic,

783
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:43,559
is Garland said? Or that actually parents who go to

784
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,440
school boards to complain are terrorists. But never talk about

785
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,639
the left. They pretend this has nothing to do with them.

786
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,679
But let's talk about this. It's just hit me. Taylor

787
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,440
Lorenz is on CBS the other day, CBS News. Right,

788
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:59,199
she's insane, Right, she's a CNN. Sorry, it doesn't even

789
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,039
you know, it's almost saying praising what was that guy's name,

790
00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:08,800
Luigi Mangioni or whoever shot the United Healthcare CEO. And

791
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,400
then I see polling that says, you know, a significant

792
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,480
number a minority, but a significant number of people who

793
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:19,599
are progressive think highly of him, or think that what

794
00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:22,519
he did was moral, or think that violence against someone

795
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,639
capitalist is justified. I mean that should be that's pretty scary.

796
00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:30,480
And I think this guy, and I don't know, he

797
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:34,000
probably had a similar review right where the person who

798
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:36,199
what was that guy's name? I don't even remember the

799
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:39,320
people who tried to kill Donald Trump or the guy

800
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,480
who tried to who the assassin who tried and wanted

801
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:49,679
to kill Justice Kavanaugh? Kavanaugh, right, Brett kavanaughh So, I.

802
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: Mean that's just like the most famous assassination attempt there was.

803
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,119
There have been recent arrests for other men trying to

804
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:58,400
kill justices.

805
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty scary stuff. Black Lives Matter Matters had

806
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,000
a lot. There was this one Charlottesville march with these

807
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:10,079
idiots and don't get me wrong, I think they're dirt right,

808
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,840
But then you had BLM and there was so much

809
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,639
more violence. There was the destruction of property. There were

810
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:20,000
people New York Times editorial board members saying that riots

811
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:24,360
are not violents, right because you have insurance, and and

812
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,039
on and on. I mean, these things are just popping

813
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:29,119
into my head. It's like year zero stuff. It's anarchy.

814
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: And that's what I was thinking of when you're when

815
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,360
we were talking about the arson You know, one of

816
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,440
the many, many people killed in the BLM riots that

817
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:41,320
received one hundred billion dollars in corporate support, truly, and

818
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,599
there's a great database that lays it all down. Specifically,

819
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,239
one of the people killed was killed because arsonists set

820
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,920
fire to a building that he was in. They didn't

821
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,360
intend to kill anyone necessarily, but they didn't intend not

822
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,840
to you know, they were setting fire to buildings, burning

823
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,639
down police stations. Yeah, that's pretty serious. I'm on Luigi

824
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,599
Mangioni thing. I just want to say, I am very

825
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:11,800
concerned that people. To me, Taylor Lorenz is quite obviously

826
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,320
a mentally unwell individual. She's kind of like a high functioning,

827
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,400
mentally unwell person. She is someone who worked at The

828
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,159
New York Times and the Washington Post and now is

829
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:26,400
being platformed by CNN. And I judged those media outlets

830
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,559
far more than I judge her. She's she's not well.

831
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,440
She's clearly not well. She's not a mentally healthy person.

832
00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:34,440
I try not to pay any attention to her, you know,

833
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:37,800
like muted all her names on my social media so

834
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,199
I don't see her. What is the Washington Post doing

835
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,239
having employed her for so many years? What is CNN

836
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,519
doing giving this like puffy like conversation with her where

837
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:54,360
she speaks joyfully about her romantic interest in Luigimngoni. By

838
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,599
the way, Fox News wrote about how she was praising Luigimanngioni,

839
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:06,159
and she responded, lol. I didn't even quote, praise, quote him.

840
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,880
Here's what she said on CNN in their puffy gauzy

841
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,760
piece on you know, profiling her thoughts on him. Here's

842
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,880
this man who's a revolutionary, who's famous, who's handsome, who's young,

843
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:22,199
who's smart, He's a person who seems like this morally

844
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,719
good man, which is hard to find. Seems praising seems

845
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:32,000
like praising language to me, Taylor. But more than that is,

846
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,480
you don't go down and pick up a random crazy

847
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,760
person and ask for their thoughts on things. You you

848
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,320
get them the help they need. All these people interact

849
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,440
with her, but they don't love her or care for

850
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:46,480
her because they're employing her rather than getting her the

851
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:50,079
mental health help she needs. Am I wrong you?

852
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,599
Speaker 1: No, you're right? The name of the songs, You're wrong,

853
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:58,800
but you're all right? And the it's CNN or whoever

854
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,880
platforms her, And I don't even have a problem with that.

855
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:07,039
If someone brought her in and challenged her in a

856
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:11,199
really tough way because what she's saying is insane and violent,

857
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,440
and that they would say, well, that's crazy, you know.

858
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:18,840
But these are the people who went to school and

859
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,280
were chay Gevarra shirts right. He was a handsome revolutionary too,

860
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,119
you know, mass murderer, but a handsome revolutionary. There's like

861
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:28,599
a romantic like this mystique that people at the left

862
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,360
attaches to these kind of murderers, and it's been going

863
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,199
on for a long time. Yeah, I mean, I saw, Oh,

864
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,679
I'm not going to get the name right, but there's

865
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:43,079
some kind of Netflix documentary on social media and not

866
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:45,239
knowing what your kids are doing and that sort of stuff,

867
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,400
and I believe they use her as one of the

868
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,320
experts to explain it to the audience. Right, So she's

869
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,840
constantly being lifted up by people who I think agree

870
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,239
kind of with her, or people like her but are

871
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,119
scared to say it and use them as proxies to

872
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,360
get it out to people. That's what I feel like

873
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,639
happens quite often.

874
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,679
Speaker 2: And so many, many many years ago. When she was

875
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,920
at I don't know this, Taylor Lorenz was at maybe

876
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,360
like a New York publication, but not The New York Times.

877
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,679
She docksed two girls who were influencers whose mother was

878
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:25,320
like an anti Islamist activist, thereby putting the children's lives

879
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,119
in danger. And the moment I saw that, I was

880
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:31,280
like this person's a crazy person, you know, just kind

881
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,440
of certain things that should be hands off, including children

882
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:38,199
of It just struck me as really bad, and I

883
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:40,559
immediately just remembered the name, and I was like, I

884
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:45,360
will never interact with this person. So I was just

885
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,639
thinking about this other thing that just happened, which is

886
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,199
the criminal referral of Letitia James for mortgage fraud. Did

887
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:51,840
you hear about that?

888
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: I saw the top line, you know, headline. I didn't

889
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:55,920
take a deep dive in.

890
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,559
Speaker 2: Well. You know, it's so a lot of people kind

891
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:03,960
of finding this interesting because the New York Attorney General,

892
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,519
Letitia James, ran for office with a claim that she

893
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:11,199
would find she'd found the man, Donald Trump, and now

894
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,360
she was going to find a crime to charge him with.

895
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:19,440
This is a very popular concept in Soviet Russia. You know, fine,

896
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:21,800
you've showed me the man, I'll show you the crime. Like,

897
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,880
if we need to go after someone, we'll figure out

898
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,639
a way to go after him. And so the thing

899
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:28,719
that she went after him for was for repaying a

900
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,920
loan favorably to his bank, but claiming she said that

901
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,199
mar Lago, which was worth very little, he claimed it

902
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,559
was worth more or something like that. And nobody was

903
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,920
Nobody was wronged in this transaction. The bank did its

904
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,599
own assessment of whether Donald Trump could repay the loan.

905
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,920
They found that he was more than able, and he

906
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,320
in fact did repay the loan, but she went after

907
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,679
him over this. It was a massive ordeal and he

908
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,679
ended up being told to pay like a four hundred

909
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,400
and fifty million dollar fine for repaying a loan with interest.

910
00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:10,400
And when corporations started to be worried that they since

911
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,280
they all had done the same thing that Donald Trump

912
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,480
had done, they were worried about doing business in New York,

913
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,800
the Governor of New York, Kathy Hochel, came out and said, no, no, no, no, no,

914
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,519
this is this was just the way that we went

915
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:22,599
after Donald Trump as law fair. You don't need to worry.

916
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:25,559
We're not going to come after you this way, which is,

917
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:27,719
you know, it's all deeply alarming and goes back to

918
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,039
what we were talking about earlier. Where the heck were

919
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:33,119
these people concerned about rule of law when this was

920
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:36,880
going on. Where were their voices? They were really silent

921
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,599
in hush hushy, And now they're like, oh, a criminal,

922
00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:43,199
illegal alien was deported to the wrong prison, and they're like,

923
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:50,079
this is the end of the Republic. Anyway. Apparently Letitia James,

924
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:54,280
the Attorney General of New York holds an elected statewide

925
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,000
office in New York, was claiming that her principal residence

926
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:03,599
was in my state commonwealth, Virginia, and that she was

927
00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:06,480
committing mortgage fraud. And so I don't I haven't heard

928
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:09,079
her defense of her case yet, but the documents do

929
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,039
indicate that she's in deep doo doo.

930
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems, uh, well, we'll see what happens. I

931
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:19,920
I you know, if she's guilty, she deserves to pay.

932
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:23,639
I that case was one of the weakest of all

933
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:27,400
the law fair cases. I thought a jury I think

934
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,480
came up with that number as well. Right, the what

935
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:32,840
the what Trump had to pay it was just preposterous.

936
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,440
And I think that their justification for all that and

937
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,719
why they didn't speak up for rule of laws, because

938
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,360
they said Donald Trump is hitler and doing anything to

939
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,599
stop Hitler is just okay. And now you know, I

940
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:46,320
think they're they're going to see where that leads, because

941
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:50,119
you can play at that game, I guess.

942
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,199
Speaker 2: Well, except I mean, like it's not two people playing

943
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,239
in a game. If she claimed Virginia was her primary

944
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,440
residence to engage in mortgage fraud. That's a that's an

945
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,079
actual crime. Claiming mar A Lago is worth a lot

946
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:05,119
of money when it is is not a crime.

947
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but but yeah, but maybe they never

948
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,079
would have looked at her if she didn't get involved

949
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:12,440
in this thing, right, I'm sure that you know what

950
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,280
I'm saying. I I it's like, what is that saying

951
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,440
anything for my friends? The law for you? You know

952
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:18,880
what I mean?

953
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 2: So well, you know, as Letitia James said, nobody is

954
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,280
above the law, right, and that would include Letitia James.

955
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,199
Speaker 1: So hey, I don't feel bad for her, trust me,

956
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,599
I think she is. She abused her power and ways

957
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:35,960
you know that were detrimental to the health of the nation. Okay,

958
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:37,480
do you want to sorry about culture?

959
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:38,559
Speaker 2: Yeah?

960
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:41,079
Speaker 1: All right, do you have anything this week? I know

961
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:42,239
you haven't been feeling really.

962
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 2: I've been sick and it's been making me unable to

963
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,679
work at the level I would like to. And I

964
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:54,599
I'm not someone who enjoys watching movies alone or anything

965
00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:57,079
like that, but I was sick and in bed, I'd

966
00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:58,920
been sleeping, and I was like, I'll watch a movie

967
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,800
and I think I watched one of the movies ever.

968
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,079
It was called Life or something like. It makes sense.

969
00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: Oh is that from Is that like Angelina Joe Lee

970
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,199
from like the two early two thousands. Yea with Burns.

971
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:12,199
I forgot his first name.

972
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 2: Burns was in a bunch of movies around that time.

973
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was famous for a few years there. Yeah.

974
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: I haven't heard of heard from him or of him

975
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,800
in a little bit. Yeah, it was pretty bad. It

976
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:30,800
was about a newscaster in Seattle who really wants to

977
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,480
make it to the big leagues and is living the

978
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:37,800
perfect life supposedly, but it's all very fake. And she

979
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,960
encounters this street prophet who says she's going to die,

980
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:45,960
and she also is up for this big national network job,

981
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,480
and she asks if she's going to get it, and

982
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:52,280
he says, you're not. All of his other predictions come true,

983
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:58,400
really weird scoring for the Seattle Seahawks Broncos game, that hale,

984
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:02,360
that that there will be hale in Seattle the next morning,

985
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,400
you know, and there will be an earthquake. And so

986
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:08,239
she starts paying attention and then she performs her life

987
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,440
and it all like culminates with her interviewing Stockard Channing,

988
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,400
who is like the Barbara Walters of the movie and

989
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:18,760
asking if everything she gave up for this life as

990
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:26,599
this preeminent newscaster was worth it, and Stockard Channing both

991
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,800
is honest in kind of acknowledging how much she gave

992
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:35,480
up to be a newscaster and also is very upset

993
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,760
with the woman and says she can't get the job anyway.

994
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:41,559
Speaker 1: Think it was one of the worst movies you've ever seen.

995
00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:43,239
So it was a bad movie. Is you did not

996
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:44,159
enjoy watching it?

997
00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 2: I like Angelina Jolie, and I think she's very pretty.

998
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,559
I'm like a fourteen year old boy sometimes when it

999
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:51,400
comes to movie watching. I'm like, well, she's pretty to

1000
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:52,039
look at it.

1001
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: Burns is pretty pretty too, right, I mean he's easy

1002
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:55,679
to look at. No.

1003
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not bad. And it had like those It

1004
00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:02,320
felt like a nineteen nine movie with the particular approach

1005
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:03,480
of the music and everything.

1006
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,679
Speaker 1: Can I talk about Ed Burns for a second. He

1007
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,599
is like an avatar of the nineties to me, Like

1008
00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:11,159
he did that independent movie I think it was called

1009
00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:14,079
Brothers McMullen if you remember, it was kind of like

1010
00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:17,280
about Long Island Catholics growing up there, so really spoke

1011
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,599
to me. I grew up around there and all of that.

1012
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,719
And he is married to Christy Turlington, who was like

1013
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,920
a nineties supermodel, right, wasn't she?

1014
00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: Oh? She he is. I didn't know that.

1015
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what he's been up to lately.

1016
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:34,599
But he was also in like Saving Private Ryan and

1017
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:42,039
a few other big nineties movies. That's great.

1018
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: So when I told Mark that I watched this, he

1019
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:51,079
immediately went into this huge discussion of Edward Burns and

1020
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:54,239
how he did some in true indie movie and then

1021
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:56,519
there was like another movie he did right after it,

1022
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:57,239
and She's.

1023
00:57:57,039 --> 00:58:01,039
Speaker 1: The One, Yeah, so is that the that's the second

1024
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:03,519
one Brothers McMullen, and then She's the One.

1025
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 2: And She's the one had and then he was like

1026
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:10,480
very excited about Tom Petty doing the soundtrack for She's

1027
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:10,880
the One.

1028
00:58:11,719 --> 00:58:16,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did. That had Jennifer Aniston in it and

1029
00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:18,480
a bunch of like of the let me look it

1030
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:23,920
up for quick. So it had h Cameron Diaz, Jennifer

1031
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:30,639
Aniston and it was very of the time, and.

1032
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 2: He really liked this one part of one of the songs,

1033
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,280
how it had this great line and I was like,

1034
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:40,400
can you come on tomorrow to the culture section, because

1035
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,159
clearly this wouldn't excite people anyway. I do love Tom Petty.

1036
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: And when you mentioned Ed Burns and I'm like, oh,

1037
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,719
he did this or that, I think to myself, I

1038
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,440
have so much garbage cluttering my mind and memory that

1039
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:54,239
I don't need, and I wish there was a way

1040
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,639
to just clean it out. I should not know this

1041
00:58:56,719 --> 00:59:00,039
much about Ed Burns, who's probably a fine fellow, but

1042
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:02,880
still was that it you got anything else?

1043
00:59:03,159 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay? And then also Mark has been watching this

1044
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,360
show called The Studio.

1045
00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:13,679
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, on Apple Plus, Yeah, I.

1046
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: Do think you would like it. And it's like to

1047
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,679
say that I do not like it. So it's Seth Rogan.

1048
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:24,800
It's a send up of a studio head who wants

1049
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,800
to make fine films but is instead having to make

1050
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:31,719
really trashy projects like the kool Aid Project, you know,

1051
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,239
where you're making a movie built around kool aid so

1052
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,360
you can market it. And it's not my form of

1053
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,079
humor at all. Like I just kept on being like, Mark,

1054
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:43,119
why are you watching this? And He's like, cause, Banni,

1055
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,239
it's not funny for me when people pretend to be stupid.

1056
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,559
We've talked about this before and where the whole plot

1057
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,719
is centered around people being idiots and I cannot handle that.

1058
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,199
Speaker 1: I did watch the first episode of that in half

1059
00:59:56,239 --> 00:59:59,679
of the second, which I found tedious and stopped watching,

1060
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:02,679
kind of like the first episode because of the Martin

1061
01:00:02,679 --> 01:00:05,679
Scorsese angle, I thought was pretty funny. But at some

1062
01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:08,199
point in my life I turned against Seth Rogan where

1063
01:00:08,239 --> 01:00:12,920
I just cannot handle his personality or humor and I

1064
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,960
just don't want anything to do with it. I don't

1065
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,760
know when it happened, but it was just too much.

1066
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,159
It was the same thing with Will Farrell, Like at

1067
01:00:19,159 --> 01:00:21,119
some point I was like, Okay, that's it, Like we've

1068
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:23,519
had enough of that, you know, in my life.

1069
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 2: At least you're like okay, okay, okay done.

1070
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're done. Now, we're done with this.

1071
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: I thought of you at one of the very first

1072
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,400
jokes in the first episode though, where they're talking about

1073
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:40,440
very great movies Rosemary's Baby and other movies, and then

1074
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,119
they're like, and other movies not made by sex pet.

1075
01:00:44,519 --> 01:00:47,039
Speaker 1: That was Woody Allen, And yeah, I don't know if

1076
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:49,519
movies like Annie Hall and Rosemaries Baby and also movies

1077
01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:53,119
but not sex you know, perverts or whatever. That was

1078
01:00:53,239 --> 01:00:55,119
very funny, and then there's some good jobs.

1079
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:57,599
Speaker 2: Why do sex perbirds make such good movies? And it's like, well,

1080
01:00:57,679 --> 01:00:58,960
you know there is something to that.

1081
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think our art artists are strange people,

1082
01:01:03,079 --> 01:01:07,920
right typically. I saw a great work of art myself,

1083
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,400
very nice cup there. I saw a great work of

1084
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,840
art myself. It's called Smoking the Bandit. It's like nineteen

1085
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:15,559
seventy seven.

1086
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,559
Speaker 2: I genuinely love that movie.

1087
01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: Oh me too.

1088
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: I hope you're not joking.

1089
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. I am not joking. I tweeted out

1090
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,679
the other day. At the end of Smoking in the Bandit,

1091
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,840
he says, for Big Nis, he's going to go to

1092
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,159
Boston get clam chowder and come back in eighteen hours.

1093
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:36,079
And I figured out all the calculations to that and

1094
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:39,920
how it could not be done. That's two and one

1095
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:41,480
hundred and fifty four miles. You'd need to do one

1096
01:01:41,519 --> 01:01:43,400
hundred and twenty miles prout the whole way up nine

1097
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,400
ninety five. And people, I think you mocked me too.

1098
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,960
But people said I was like, what's that physicist name

1099
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:53,599
who ruins everything? Tyson or whatever, Like he's always like

1100
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,599
talking about plausibility. Anyway, I love that movie. I grew up,

1101
01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:01,159
you know it was a big deal. Parentald's is great

1102
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:04,679
in it. Rewatching it, it's still Oh. Jackie Gleason is

1103
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,320
just a genius, as Beforte Justice a genius, So it's

1104
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,760
fun to watch. I don't know if people realize Jerry

1105
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,920
Reid the truck driver. Obviously he was a country singer,

1106
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,679
but he's also one of the greatest guitarists you'll ever see.

1107
01:02:16,679 --> 01:02:18,760
If you go on YouTube and watch him play guitar

1108
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,199
with Chad Atkins or something, it will blow your mind.

1109
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:23,480
He's just an amazing He's like a virtuo, so just

1110
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,039
an amazing musician. The whole movie is great. I loved it

1111
01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:29,519
so much that I sat that night and I started

1112
01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:34,679
watching Smoking the Bandit too, which lacks the elan of

1113
01:02:34,719 --> 01:02:37,679
the first fee it's not amazing, and there's a third

1114
01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:41,400
one two drop off. Yeah you drop off made no.

1115
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:44,519
Speaker 2: My response to was just more like my defensiveness about

1116
01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:46,760
Smoking the Bandit, which I think is a great film.

1117
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,400
So when you were like, this is impossible. He would

1118
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,480
have to go one hundred and twenty miles per hour

1119
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:55,159
in order to get the clam chowder and he couldn't stop,

1120
01:02:55,719 --> 01:02:56,800
and I was like, that's your point.

1121
01:02:58,599 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: I love how you're impression of me being that way.

1122
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,159
It really wasn't like that. It was just like, oh,

1123
01:03:04,159 --> 01:03:06,960
come on, that's crazy. It's just fun to figure things out.

1124
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,920
But one day I don't want to do this now.

1125
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,000
Hal Needhamo made that moving to Tenniball Run and Stuff.

1126
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:15,159
Used to be a stunt coordinator and a stuntman himself.

1127
01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:16,760
I think we need to take a deeper dive on

1128
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,159
how amazing those eighties and seventies movies were, like Hooper

1129
01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:24,039
and Canniball Run and so forth. The other thing I

1130
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:29,199
have is somewhat said it's Mario Vargoslosa died. He's one of,

1131
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:35,199
you know, just this amazing giant literary giant, but also

1132
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:40,000
a fierce defender of freedom and liberty in the world,

1133
01:03:40,119 --> 01:03:42,800
you know. And I love his novels. My favorite is

1134
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,360
The War of the End of the World, which is amazing.

1135
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,639
His most famous novel his Feast of the Goat. I

1136
01:03:48,639 --> 01:03:51,360
don't think anyone wrote listen. I'm not a literary critic.

1137
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,079
I don't pretend to know that much about literature, but

1138
01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:56,239
I've read, you know, of the novels I've read, I

1139
01:03:56,239 --> 01:03:59,280
don't think anyone has ever written about like living in

1140
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,159
you know, the sufcation of living in a you know,

1141
01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:05,039
in a dictatorship, or having the state come down on you.

1142
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,559
But he wrote about all kinds of things. He was

1143
01:04:07,559 --> 01:04:12,960
a great defender of a freedom. I have a book

1144
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,960
of his that he recently wrote, called to Call the Tribe,

1145
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,960
where he goes to It's kind of like an intellectual autobiography,

1146
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,280
and he goes through all his heroes and everything. He

1147
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:24,440
wrote twenty one novels, fourteen nonfiction books, a bunch of plays,

1148
01:04:24,519 --> 01:04:26,920
and he had a biweekly column at a newspaper in

1149
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,719
Spain for like thirty years. He was a machine. And

1150
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,480
you know, I was thinking about someone had brought this

1151
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,440
to my attention, but I thought it was something interesting

1152
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,480
to think about. You know how, I don't think conservatives

1153
01:04:40,639 --> 01:04:43,519
or liberals always say conservatives can't do culture, you know,

1154
01:04:43,679 --> 01:04:48,119
or that like they're so illiberal or so inhibited, they

1155
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:50,199
can't write great things or do right things. I think

1156
01:04:50,239 --> 01:04:52,079
that that's proven wrong by a lot of people in

1157
01:04:52,119 --> 01:04:55,599
the past. But I think Vartis Lusha proved it. Now

1158
01:04:55,719 --> 01:04:57,960
you know that that's not true. And he makes me

1159
01:04:58,039 --> 01:05:00,840
think like I wish conservatives would take culture more seriously

1160
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,599
and do beautiful things. And he never wrote like from

1161
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:06,760
He didn't start his book as a political book and

1162
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,800
then just say something. He talked about human beings and

1163
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:13,880
how they suffered, and then it was conservative on its own.

1164
01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:15,199
Does that make sense.

1165
01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:19,199
Speaker 2: Yep, because truth tends to be conservative. So even when

1166
01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:24,400
there are left wing artists, sometimes they accidentally speak conservative

1167
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:27,880
truths because they're just being truthful. He was a leftist

1168
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:32,800
originally and then became a rightist. I do think there's

1169
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,480
a problem with arts on the right, but also people

1170
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:39,199
overstate how there aren't any people on the right who

1171
01:05:39,199 --> 01:05:44,000
are great artists. And the particular way in which his

1172
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,840
art is coded right wing is very similar to some

1173
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:54,119
of the great Czech authors who were magnificent during sixties, seventies,

1174
01:05:54,199 --> 01:06:00,199
eighties under the totalitarian regime Soviet regime, in that they're

1175
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:04,639
writing really personal stories about oppressive regimes and how they

1176
01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:09,760
affect interpersonal relationships. And again it's just truthfulness. I don't

1177
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,800
know how certain people are better than others, Like I

1178
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,440
don't know why the checks are so much better at

1179
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this than other communist countries and.

1180
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Speaker 1: The thing with yeah, and the thing with him was

1181
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that he was in a part of a group of

1182
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writers become very famous. But he's the kind of like

1183
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,239
Eastern European writers or whatever. Even some Russian writers obviously

1184
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,440
were anti collectivism and all that, but he was basically

1185
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,119
alone fighting this battle in South America where there are

1186
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,800
very few people who could be considered conservative. And honestly,

1187
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he wasn't a social conservative or anything, though I think

1188
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,440
there were strands of that. He was more of a

1189
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classical liberal type of thinker, and so himself as a

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man of the world, not just you know, Peru, where

1191
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he was from. And I just want to say also

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that it's so hard to find some of his early

1193
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,039
novels and translation and stuff, and I think it has

1194
01:06:58,159 --> 01:07:02,599
to be that because he earned against socialism. Is one

1195
01:07:02,599 --> 01:07:04,880
of the reasons that he's not that as well regarded here,

1196
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,079
because the sort of literary world in the West and

1197
01:07:08,159 --> 01:07:11,679
especially the United States and in Western Europe is very socialistic.

1198
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So this is a person that they couldn't ignore, but

1199
01:07:14,159 --> 01:07:16,559
they never gave him I think the full props that

1200
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:20,199
he probably deserved. I have a long piece coming out

1201
01:07:20,239 --> 01:07:24,199
on him this week, probably, and I go through some

1202
01:07:24,239 --> 01:07:26,199
of this, you know, some of his history and biography,

1203
01:07:26,239 --> 01:07:29,119
and I was just a big fan of his. It's

1204
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:31,079
not easy reading most of the time. I would I'd

1205
01:07:31,079 --> 01:07:33,960
probably recommend Feast of the Gods as a starting point,

1206
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,000
but it is high literature, and don't you know, don't

1207
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,800
you like? I was watching an old firing line with

1208
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,400
William Buckley and Norman Mailer, Like Norman mail Or was

1209
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,760
another one of these huge, bigger than life kind of

1210
01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:51,679
you know, intellectual futilist whatever. We don't really have that anymore,

1211
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:53,639
do we. I mean, I can't think of like these

1212
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,760
larger than life literary figures who live these like Hemingway

1213
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,079
or whatever. I just don't think we maybe retro so

1214
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,639
perspectively we think of them that way, and maybe they

1215
01:08:02,679 --> 01:08:04,280
exist today and one day people will think of that.

1216
01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:07,079
Speaker 2: Now they don't exist today, but like for many different reasons.

1217
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:11,119
So first off, people don't read anymore, and so it's

1218
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:14,800
hard to have these literary giants when very few people

1219
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,800
are reading fiction. Of the people who are reading fiction,

1220
01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:21,960
only a small percentage of men now. Now, partly that

1221
01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:24,079
might be for their own reasons. I do think a

1222
01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:28,039
significant reason is that publishing houses have moved like so

1223
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:32,680
fully into dei nonsense that they are only publishing like

1224
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:37,239
non binary, trans queer ladies who you know, want to

1225
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:39,560
write about their experience. It's a huge turn off to

1226
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:45,439
like a normal man. And video games and other multimedia

1227
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,680
are such distractions for men that they're just not reading.

1228
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,399
And you can't really have a literary giant in like

1229
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,439
a female only reading universe.

1230
01:08:56,439 --> 01:09:01,319
Speaker 1: That's a great point. There's not like Hemingway, even Ruga Solutia.

1231
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,960
We're very masculine. Their writing is masculine. Like, you don't

1232
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,159
really get that much.

1233
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:12,079
Speaker 2: Honestly, you're ostracized if you write anything friendly to actual man.

1234
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,079
Speaker 1: All right, I think that's it. Good. Yeah, you're right. Great,

1235
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:19,600
we'll talk next week. Until them be lovers of freedom

1236
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:25,880
and anxious for afraid are we going to do much

1237
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:30,479
they say can't be done. We've got to do it

1238
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:30,880
a

1239
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:32,279
Speaker 2: Short time to get there.