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True Murder with your host, 54 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:40.840 journalist and author Dan Zupanski. 55 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:56.719 Good evening. On a sunny September morning in nineteen thirty six, 56 00:02:56.840 --> 00:03:00.400 men entered the Lincoln National Bank in Nebraska's capital City, 57 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:06.120 armed with revolvers and Thompson some machine guns. In eight minutes, 58 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:09.199 they emerged with more than two point seven million dollars, 59 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:13.599 the largest take of any bank heist in history. A 60 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:16.919 nationwide search for the bandits would lead Nebraska authorities through 61 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:20.599 the rough gangland streets of Chicago and East Saint Louis 62 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:24.879 and deep into the heart of the Capone organization. The 63 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:28.000 Great heightst not only chronicles the search for the bandits 64 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:30.879 and the trials that followed, but the incredible story of 65 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:34.319 how they got the money back. The book that we're 66 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:37.560 profiling this eving is called The Great Heist, The Story 67 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:41.439 of the Biggest bank Robbery in History. With my special 68 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:45.159 guest journalist and author Jeff MacArthur. Welcome back to the program, 69 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:46.719 and thank you for greeing this interview. 70 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:50.000 Jeff MacArthur, thank thank you for having me, Dan, I 71 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:51.199 really appreciate being here. 72 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:58.560 Thank you very much. Another incredible tale with an incredible 73 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:03.639 cast of characters. So let's get to my favorite question. 74 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:08.919 How did you come to write this story. I know 75 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:12.400 you look for incredible stories, but tell us where you live, 76 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:15.280 where you reside, tell us about your father, your grandfather, 77 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:20.319 tell us about the incredible story behind the story of 78 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:24.560 the Great Sure. 79 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:27.639 Yeah, well, you know, I'm from Lincoln, Nebraska, where it happened, 80 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:30.639 and it was a little known even there. I mean 81 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:32.720 at the time it was it was front page news 82 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:36.360 and everything, but it's sort of been a forgotten story. 83 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:39.319 And the only way I learned about it was my 84 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:42.160 father and grandfather, who were working together actually on the 85 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:46.040 case that my other book was about. My grandfather just 86 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:48.480 sort of one day casually turned to my father and said, 87 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:51.279 you know, the largest bank robbery in history was here 88 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.439 on Lincoln and it was Alcoholm's long lost brother who 89 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:56.279 helped to get the money back, and my dad and 90 00:04:56.360 --> 00:05:00.680 his internet wisdom just went is that right? And kind 91 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:02.639 of went back to what he was doing and never 92 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.959 asked anything more about it. And then he casually told 93 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:09.079 me about it years later after my grandfather passed away, 94 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:13.639 and I said, okay, and and he's just like I 95 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:15.680 guess I never asked about that, and so I had 96 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:17.560 to kind of go out and figure it out myself. 97 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:21.680 But just started doing research on it and started finding more. 98 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:23.519 I mean, this is the story just grew. I mean 99 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:26.120 at the beginning, it was like, Okay, they got away 100 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:28.839 with the money and somehow they got it back. Okay, Well, 101 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:31.480 now al Calahoma was involved, wow, Okay, then a long 102 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:35.000 lost brother okay. And then as I learned more and more, 103 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:38.759 it's just all these cats, the characters grew all of 104 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:42.600 this stuff, This hunt, you know, National Manhunt. It just 105 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:44.800 wound up becoming one of the most and in terms 106 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:46.879 of the stories as well. As I was going through 107 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:49.759 the archives of the newspapers, like I say, this was 108 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:54.639 front page news every day for weeks, and yet somehow 109 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:57.519 it just kind of got forgotten. No. 110 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:02.000 It's also interesting too, is your grandfather. You have to 111 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:06.240 piece together likely what happened and where your father got 112 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:09.319 the information from, where your grandfather, your grandfather got the 113 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:11.839 information from. You know where your father got the information from. 114 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:15.319 Where likely you got your grandfather got the information from. 115 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:19.360 And you uncover a guy named Max H. Mac tole. 116 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:25.560 Yeah, was about Max tollright. Well, he was probably most 117 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:30.079 colorful character in legal industry you could imagine. Uh. He 118 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:35.680 basically ran bambling rackets in Lancaster County while being the 119 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.480 county attorney. He became the county attorney where he was 120 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:42.160 voted in there because he had been a quarterback in 121 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:45.759 the Nebraska football team, which that is kind of like 122 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:49.839 a religion in Nebraska. Uh, and he became captain. He 123 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:53.600 became the quarterback by getting himself in. He's just basically 124 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:58.000 while the coach wasn't watching, he substituted himself in, threw 125 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:02.600 a winning pass. And then when he ran for office, 126 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:05.160 they all want to warn him. So he becomes down 127 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:08.560 of the journey and like was you know, the office 128 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:11.160 itself was like a major gambling den. He would go 129 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:13.120 down to the race tracks all the time. He even 130 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:18.839 ordered some uh game cocks to be shocked the sent 131 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:21.720 up from Mexico, but he didn't tell the secretary, so 132 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:24.160 when they came in, uh, you know, for to do 133 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:26.120 the cock fighting out of town, and so when they 134 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.560 came in, she thought they were for a dinner to 135 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:32.319 bribe senators, so she sent them to have flattered. He's 136 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.279 spent one thousands of dollars on them, and she sent 137 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:41.000 them off to be made into that nice dinner. That's 138 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:43.839 you know, and that kind of gives Yeah, he kind 139 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:45.480 of gives you the idea of what kind of person. 140 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:48.639 I mean, he ran the place by and we basically 141 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:51.879 became friends with anybody who was graduating from law school. 142 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:55.319 He was there immediately supporting them, helping them sort of 143 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.519 find those places to get work, which really was helpful 144 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:00.639 to a lot of people. But then, of course it's 145 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:02.800 kind of that whole I did you a favor, now 146 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:04.959 you and me a favor, and he really got a 147 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:08.839 hold over the entire county. 148 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:13.920 Now, what is the what was the initial story that 149 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:18.399 you heard and the character that did you did your 150 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:21.240 father or your grandfather had spoken of? What was that 151 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:25.720 kernel of information that sets you on your way? There 152 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:28.680 really was that catalyst? He said, Okay, I yeah, I 153 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:30.439 looked at this as an incredible story. 154 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:36.600 Now I have this, Uh, he was the original inspiration. 155 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:39.960 It was basically, I mean, it was it was partly 156 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:41.360 the bank robbery, just the fact that it was the 157 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:45.600 bank robbery, but also even more than anything, it was 158 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:48.200 that long loved brother aspect. When I heard about that, 159 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:51.600 I just went, well, now that is the heck of 160 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:55.200 a story. There's got to be something in there, and 161 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:57.759 that's what I really In fact, I actually mostly was 162 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:01.639 going researching his life. He's a long lost brother of Alexapone. 163 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:04.799 But the more I did research on that, the more 164 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:07.879 I the bankrobbery kept coming up, and I just had 165 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:09.320 to learn more and more about it. 166 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:13.919 What's the brother's name, Richard Hart. 167 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:17.120 His original name is the Vincenzo Patone, and he left 168 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:19.639 the family when they lived in New York. He ran 169 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:23.120 away at about the age of sixteen and lived this 170 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:26.759 incredible life. I mean, he was a He was a 171 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:30.720 decorated soldier in World War One, helped chase plent Trovilla 172 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:34.480 in Mexico. He wound up becoming a Prohibition officer in 173 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:37.759 Nebraska and continued to dress like a cowboy even though 174 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:40.720 nobody else was wrote a horse, had two six shooters 175 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:43.879 at his side, and was one of the most successful 176 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:47.080 Prohibition officers in the entire country. But he had changed 177 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:49.240 his name basically after he ran away from home, he 178 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:52.480 changed it a couple of times, settling on Richard Hart. 179 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:54.360 And that's what his family knew him as, is what 180 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:56.480 the people of town new him as. And he was 181 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:02.360 famous before al Alvin became famous. All he knew was 182 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:05.440 there's this gang or there's this lawman sort of in 183 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:07.720 his name in his way named Richard Hart, having no 184 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:14.080 idea it was his brother. So yeah, and Richard was 185 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:16.720 just doing his saying separate from him, and then they 186 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:19.159 kind of clashed at this bank robbery. 187 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:25.080 Now, what I found most interesting too is the would 188 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:27.399 you take us back in history is the state of 189 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:31.639 policing at that time previous to nineteen thirty, but more 190 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:36.679 so you explores the actual laws at that time. This 191 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:41.000 is the pre FBI was what it was called the 192 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:44.559 Bureau of Investigation, so was not the Federal Bureau of Investigation, 193 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:47.519 and it had did not have an incredible amount of power. 194 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:51.080 So even talk about the kind of firepower or there 195 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:56.519 are firearms these guys had and had the ability to 196 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:00.000 have and use. So tell us about this a little 197 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:03.240 bit about at that time the state of policing and 198 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:08.440 the state of basically fighting the criminals at that time. 199 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:13.759 Yeah, well, the criminals had really outrun and outgunned the 200 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.879 police in a lot of places. The Thompsons and machine 201 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:19.120 gun had been invented for use in World War One, 202 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:21.159 but the war it ended before it got out there. 203 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:24.200 So the guy who had built them or the company 204 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:26.440 that built them needed somewhere to sell them, and the 205 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:30.200 gangsters were all for you know, buying that, whereas the 206 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:33.320 US government it didn't you know, get them so much. 207 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.320 So you wound up with a lot of the police 208 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:38.759 going around filled with pistols and the criminals going around 209 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:41.519 with machine guns. So like, for instance, when this bank 210 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:44.200 robbery happened, they went in there with machine guns with 211 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:48.480 you know, basically very well armed. The officers in the 212 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:51.240 town they you know, not only did they only have pippoles, 213 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:54.159 but when they were went to check out the bank, 214 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:57.480 they would have used the squad the squad card, not 215 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:00.440 one of the squad cards, the one squad car they had, 216 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:02.360 but it was in the shop. It had broken down 217 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:05.279 for some reason that morning, so they had to one 218 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:07.320 of them took a motorcycle, the other one had to walk. 219 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:11.559 And that basically they had to work with against well 220 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:14.720 armed and well organized criminals. 221 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.279 Yeah, well, okay, now that you've talked about it, let's 222 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.679 talk about the whole thing in terms of let's talk 223 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:28.080 about this incredible heist. Because again there's the police are called, 224 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:30.720 but we have to explain how it is that they 225 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:34.679 are called and the action of the actual six men. 226 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:38.240 And I'm a little confused despite everything, so maybe the 227 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:40.519 audience will be as well. There was a lookout, and 228 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:44.120 there was a driver, and there was five men. Tell 229 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.759 us about that, but tell us about the actual robbery. 230 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:50.720 On that sunny September morning in nineteen thirty at the 231 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:51.960 Lincoln National Bank. 232 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:56.279 The bank had basically just opened, and this car just 233 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:01.159 pulled up and one stated in the driver and another 234 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:03.639 one jumped out of the car. Well, actually the other 235 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:06.039 five jumped out of the car. One of them stayed 236 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:10.080 outside and watched basically as the lookout out of the corner. 237 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:12.600 The other four ran inside. Now the one that was 238 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:14.559 outside it might have actually seemed confusing because the one 239 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:17.279 outside kind of kept peeking in. So sometimes it was five, 240 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:19.759 sometimes it was four inside. But basically that was the 241 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.080 way it worked out. And they were so well organized. 242 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:28.200 Clearly somebody had scoped the place out and they knew 243 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:31.320 where everything was, and they knew what they needed, et cetera, 244 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:34.120 et cetera. When they got to the vault, the guy 245 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:37.279 who was supposed to be there with the key or 246 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:40.919 the combination, they records weren't quite certain. But anyway, person 247 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:43.240 who could actually get him into the vault was out. 248 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:45.200 I've learned since the publication of the book. He was 249 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:48.639 actually across the street having coffee and saw the whole thing, 250 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:52.480 but you know, sort of stayed away. They was it, 251 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:54.080 so they weren't going to be able to get in 252 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:56.879 the vaulved but someone hadn't turned the time lock on, 253 00:13:57.399 --> 00:13:59.200 so they were able to open it and get in. 254 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:01.320 And when they got out out it was sort of 255 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:03.559 a fluke. There was two point seven million dollars worth 256 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:07.159 of cash and securities in there, negotiable bonds and non 257 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:10.360 negotiable bonds. So they got in the car, zipped away 258 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:16.720 and just literally kind of disappeared into thin air. Nebraska 259 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:19.200 tried shutting down the borders and you know, all the 260 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:22.080 bridges et cetera, et cetera, out of town or out 261 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:25.720 of the state, but they you know, they couldn't see them, 262 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:28.799 they couldn't find them. Somehow they had just kind of 263 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:32.799 gotten away. So then it became like this whole national search, 264 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:35.879 and without an FBI, it was much more difficult because 265 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:37.679 now you're having to work with different you know, you 266 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:41.399 just have the states, the individual police departments in each 267 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:43.759 state or sheriffs office. 268 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:48.120 So you're what we're saying too, is that the the 269 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:51.159 Federal Bureau of Investigation, which was then just a Bureau 270 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:54.639 of Investigation, didn't have the power to intervene on something 271 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:59.480 like this, you say, unless there is evidence of an 272 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:02.080 insight job. So let's go back just a little bit 273 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:05.679 to the behavior of these gentlemen, because this is quite unusual. 274 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:10.720 We're talking about nineteen thirty here. Maybe it's not unusual, 275 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.519 but that's the thing. Maybe we'll talk about that the occurrence, 276 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.759 the prevalence of these type of bank robberies, maybe not 277 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:19.440 exactly like this, but bank robberies in general in a 278 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:24.360 place like Lincoln. But these guys went in there with suits, 279 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:28.440 no masks. Like you said, it's almost seemed military precision. 280 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:30.320 They really knew what they were doing and they were 281 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:33.720 in and out in eight minutes. The thing is with this, 282 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:37.679 they knew that they knew they layout of the bank, 283 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:41.320 and they also knew that this gentleman's name that had 284 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:44.799 he would have the access or the code for the 285 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:49.559 vault itself. So they knew that, but they grabbed another woman. 286 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:53.200 She said, listen, this guy is not in. They lied 287 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:56.039 at least if he was across the street having a coffee. 288 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:59.279 They said he was not there that day. 289 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:04.559 Yeah, apparently they thought he was further away. But anyway, Carraig, 290 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:05.039 go ahead. 291 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:08.080 Well, the you know I found it interesting is that 292 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:11.799 they threatened her. They said, somebody said we should kill 293 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:14.919 this woman because she said she didn't have the code. 294 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:17.480 So tell us a little bit more about that. And 295 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:21.360 then the idea that witnesses thought that this car was 296 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:24.639 a cop car, that there was a siren. They used 297 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:27.759 the siren later. So tell us about their entrance, their exit, 298 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:31.600 this is, this is not typical, and this is uh 299 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:33.799 so tell us just a little bit more about that 300 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:37.720 and the experience with the woman and must have been 301 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:38.600 terrifying for her. 302 00:16:39.639 --> 00:16:41.960 Oh yeah, I can imagine. And I think that they 303 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:46.080 actually everybody in the bank thought he was out on business. 304 00:16:46.120 --> 00:16:49.639 What happened apparently is the guy came back said yes, 305 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:53.480 I was out on business. But since the book has 306 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:57.559 been published, the person's descendant has emailed me and said, yeah, 307 00:16:57.600 --> 00:16:58.799 he was supposed to be out on business and he 308 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:02.039 always told everybody that, but actually this this the family's 309 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:04.200 leader for all these years, has been years across the street. 310 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:06.519 So they here's these people who are risking their lives. 311 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:08.160 And I guess that's why he didn't tell them. He's like, 312 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:10.680 you guys were you know, telling him? You didn't know 313 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:13.119 where I was and I was over having coffee across 314 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:15.119 the street. So it was like kind of kept, you know, 315 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.319 hush hush anyway, but yeah, the way they went, and see, 316 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:20.640 you're right, it's there has been a whole rash of 317 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:23.960 bank robberies, particularly in Nebraska that week. It was you know, 318 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:26.359 basically this was the start of the Great Depression and 319 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:27.920 a lot of these This is kind of when a 320 00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:30.720 lot of those bank robberies started, a lot of organized 321 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:33.799 crime places and even smaller groups. I means when the 322 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:36.000 stage of Bonnie and Clyde and you know all of 323 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:41.400 those guys. But this one had, like I say in 324 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:44.759 the book, sort of a military precision to it. I mean, 325 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:48.200 they were so organized everybody knew exactly where to go. 326 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:50.359 It wasn't like them getting in there and like figuring 327 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:52.599 out where to go. There was no chaos. They all 328 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:55.119 had a very specific place to go. They got everybody 329 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:58.680 on the floor, they and everything was a cloth work 330 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:01.759 and there was even one of the guys was giving 331 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:04.039 like amounts of time. Okay, this much time. Now, it's 332 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:07.039 been this much time, et cetera, et cetera. They asked 333 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:10.000 for one specific person, like I thay he was out, uh, 334 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:11.759 and the woman was trying to you know, several people 335 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:14.039 were trying to say the look, he's gone. There's no 336 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:15.559 way to get in the vault. So they just grabbed 337 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:20.000 one woman and said, uh, did you know you help us? 338 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:22.799 Getting sends to the fault. She of course is Petri 339 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:24.400 because she can't hit him. And there she you know, 340 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:26.559 she isn't lying to them, she's not trying to hide anything. 341 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.759 So they take her back there and like I say, 342 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:33.680 they this turns out the false is open. Uh. I 343 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:36.000 forget the exact reason, but one of them actually does say, yeah, 344 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:39.000 I just go ahead and kill her. And these were 345 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:41.279 ruthless killers. And it turns out later it turned out 346 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:43.240 to be some of the same guys who committed the 347 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:45.839 Saint Valentine's name ask her. Now they of course that 348 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:47.960 the bank had no idea, you know, that they didn't 349 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:50.880 know that that's who they were. But if you know, 350 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:53.160 it's been proven later, Yeah, these guys were ruthless. They 351 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:55.559 would have just killed her, but it just so happened. 352 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:59.960 By that point, the second comp had come along outside 353 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:01.880 and they were like, you know what, guys, that's starting 354 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:04.240 to get a little bit hot here. Let's get out 355 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:06.119 of here. And we got everything we need. So they 356 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:10.799 just loaded everything, uh, and rushed outside, got it into 357 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:12.400 the car. And again it was one of those things 358 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:14.640 of just whole position. I mean, they did like a 359 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:17.640 whole line of them, you know, handing from the door 360 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:19.359 to the to the the door of the bank to 361 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:21.599 the door of the car. You know, one of them 362 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:23.720 jumped into the car, the others handed you know, the 363 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:26.839 money out and jumped in. And yeah, they had a 364 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:30.039 siren so that they were able to rush away, which 365 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:33.039 is one of the signs that later on when they 366 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:35.839 were like figuring out this was those gangsters who did 367 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:38.480 the sin boundin them oscar, because it was the same 368 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:40.759 kind of thing. They had driven up in a cop 369 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:45.000 car done the murder, and then they got away in 370 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:47.119 this particular case, they did something very similar where they 371 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:51.000 disguised their car as a as a police car and 372 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:52.640 drove it on out of there. But you know, it 373 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:55.279 was to me, the funniest part is they here, they 374 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:57.519 jump out of the bank. They're rushing there, all this 375 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:01.680 military precisions. They you know, very away, siren blurring, and 376 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:08.119 then get you a red light and stopangsters and then 377 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:10.640 slowly took you know, a legal right turn. But I 378 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:12.359 think it's how they got away. It was they just 379 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:16.839 merged with traffic and faded into you know, the way 380 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:17.680 everybody else was. 381 00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:23.960 Before we get into that, uh story, the little side 382 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:26.759 story that's very very interesting and right again right out 383 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:30.319 of out of movies. I'm sure somebody used this already 384 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:33.640 or they will. Is W. A. Selleck as the bank 385 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:37.079 president and he is not in the bank originally when 386 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:39.640 they say everybody on the floor, and at first somebody 387 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:43.480 thinks it's a joke, and so they give him a 388 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:45.720 butt end in the in the head and he and 389 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:48.400 he goes down, and now everybody goes down, so everybody's 390 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:51.400 on the floor, but the bank president he comes to 391 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:55.200 this lady comes out of the office. He had recently 392 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:59.599 had a birthday, and so he thought again, he thought 393 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:02.240 very much that they were joking, but they said, we 394 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:04.680 are not joking. But he thought they were really joking, 395 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:06.920 but really good at it. Tell us a little bit 396 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:08.400 about w A Sellick. 397 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:11.599 Yeah, I'm glad you bring that up, because I forgot 398 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:13.400 to mention that. Yet that's one of the most bizarre 399 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:16.480 parts of the stories, and nobody took him seriously. Everybody 400 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:18.279 just thought they were kidding them. They beat a couple 401 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:20.759