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<v Speaker 1>Live from the heart of the nation's capital, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a Jim Acosta Show special report. Hey, everybody. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the Jim Acosta Show.

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<v Speaker 2>It is another day that ends in Y in Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's assault on American democracy. The latest example just in

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<v Speaker 2>from the New York Times, agents are scouring voter rolls

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<v Speaker 2>in this country right now managed by the state's and

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<v Speaker 2>are using personally identifiable information about individual voters, such as

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<v Speaker 2>their dates of birth and partial Social Security numbers, to

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<v Speaker 2>look them up on those voter rolls, according to these

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<v Speaker 2>documents obtained by The New York Times. Trump is doing

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<v Speaker 2>this despite the fact that there is no widespread voter fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>In this country.

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<v Speaker 2>It's never been found. He's never proven it. And he

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<v Speaker 2>and his party are facing a blowout in the midterms. Folks,

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<v Speaker 2>we had intended to bring to you former special White

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<v Speaker 2>House counsel Ty Cobb, talk about this. But in a

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<v Speaker 2>few moments, we're going to have Liz Oyer, the former

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<v Speaker 2>pardon attorney at the Justice Department, hop on. So she'll

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<v Speaker 2>be with us in just a few minutes from now.

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<v Speaker 2>If we can get Ty on, we will. But we

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<v Speaker 2>had some technical issues, and I didn't want to get

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<v Speaker 2>on too late today because, to me, this bombshell report

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<v Speaker 2>in The New York Times is really worth talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Just stand by one second.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just tell you what's in this New York

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<v Speaker 2>Times story. This just came out a few moments ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's very alarming. Basically, this is what they're reporting

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<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see here.

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<v Speaker 2>Hundreds of federal agents from the Department of Homeland Security

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<v Speaker 2>have been assigned to an intensive weeks-long hunt for non-citizens

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<v Speaker 2>among the nation's registered voters despite an absence of widespread

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<v Speaker 2>voter fraud. According to documents and training videos reviewed by

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<v Speaker 2>The New York Times, agents are scouring voter rolls managed

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<v Speaker 2>by the states and are using personally identifiable information about

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<v Speaker 2>those individual voters. I just mentioned that a few moments ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Get this, though.

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<v Speaker 2>In some cases, they're saying investigators are effectively posing as

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<v Speaker 2>individual voters by plugging their names and personal information into

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<v Speaker 2>public facing websites run by the top election official in

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<v Speaker 2>each state. Some of these sites declare they are meant

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<v Speaker 2>for individual use, potentially raising privacy concerns. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times describing it this way. The extraordinary operation

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<v Speaker 2>reveals the extent to which the Trump administration is searching

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<v Speaker 2>for evidence of voter fraud ahead of the November elections.

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<v Speaker 2>The government is privately calling the effort the unlawful voter

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<v Speaker 2>initiative and is pulling agents from their normal duties, which

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<v Speaker 2>include investigating such serious crimes as human trafficking and terrorism. Folks,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I Again, we're going to have hopefully a

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<v Speaker 2>legal expert joining us here in just a moment. Might

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<v Speaker 2>be Tycott, might.

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<v Speaker 1>Be Liz Hoyer.

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<v Speaker 2>I bring this up because as I've been reporting on

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<v Speaker 2>this show for weeks now, if not months, this is

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<v Speaker 2>not an if. This is a when Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>attempting to steal the midterms, rig the midterms, intervene in

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<v Speaker 2>the midterms, whatever phrase you want to use. And that

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<v Speaker 2>when is right now. He is doing this right now.

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<v Speaker 1>He is using the federal government to.

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<v Speaker 2>go on a fishing expedition right now, despite the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that his government in the previous administration went on a

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<v Speaker 2>fishing expedition for voter fraud, did not find it, tried

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<v Speaker 2>to do something like this around the 2020 election when

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<v Speaker 2>his own government was attempting to find whether there had

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<v Speaker 2>been any widespread voter fraud. His attorney general at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Barr, told him there was no widespread voter fraud,

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<v Speaker 2>that it was all, quote, bullshit. And so, again, Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is facing accountability in this country. He is facing

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<v Speaker 2>a massive midterm blowout because the Democrats are favored just

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<v Speaker 2>about everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Under the sun these days.

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<v Speaker 2>And he and his administration and people like Mark Wayne Mullen,

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of Homeland Security secretary, I guess, are going

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<v Speaker 2>to do everything that they can by hook or by

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<v Speaker 2>crook to intervene in these elections. And so this I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a big bombshell story in The New York Times.

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<v Speaker 2>That is breaking right now about our midterm elections. This

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<v Speaker 2>comes on the heels, of course, of Donald Trump trying

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<v Speaker 2>to use the Postal Service to take control of the

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<v Speaker 2>voter rolls in this country. And there's been a legal

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<v Speaker 2>battle over that. He's been told not to have the

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<v Speaker 2>Postal Service intervene. That has gone back and forth in

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<v Speaker 2>the courts. I believe we have Liz Oyer jumping on now.

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<v Speaker 2>And Liz is the former partner attorney over at the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Justice. Liz, it's great to see you.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Jim. Good to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to see you as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And, you know, I typically warm up the guests before

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<v Speaker 2>we come on and say, hey, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this. But I don't know if you were listening

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<v Speaker 2>to what I was just reading from The New York Times.

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<v Speaker 2>But there seems to be just one day after another,

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<v Speaker 2>one story after another of Donald Trump attempting to intervene

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<v Speaker 2>or meddle in these midterms, whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I characterize it in much more strident terms.

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<v Speaker 2>But the latest story, this is in The New York Times.

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<v Speaker 2>It just came out in the last 45 minutes. Trump

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<v Speaker 2>administration begins blitz to find elusive voter fraud ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>the midterms. And it talks about how Department of Homeland

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<v Speaker 2>Security agents have been going through state voter rolls and

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<v Speaker 2>using personally identifiable information about voters to try to find

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<v Speaker 2>voter fraud using dates of birth, partial Social Security numbers

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<v Speaker 2>and so on. Liz, your response to this, I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's fresh and everything and we're all going to be

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<v Speaker 2>diving into this, but it's yet another example that I

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<v Speaker 2>think people should be very worried about.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is not legitimate. This is not a legitimate

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<v Speaker 4>investigation of voter fraud. This is an attempt to sow

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<v Speaker 4>doubt that the administration is trying to plant seeds of

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<v Speaker 4>doubt about the legitimacy of our elections so that if

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<v Speaker 4>they don't turn out how the president wants, he can

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<v Speaker 4>claim that they're illegitimate. That is what this is all about.

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<v Speaker 4>The stuff with mail-in voting is to give people doubts

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<v Speaker 4>about whether they'll be able to vote by mail, maybe

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<v Speaker 4>keep people home from voting. I mean, it's all tied

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<v Speaker 4>together as part of an intentional strategy to confuse Americans

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<v Speaker 4>about how to vote, when to vote, whether our elections

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<v Speaker 4>are fair, whether our voting machines work properly. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>the level of things that are being examined is absolutely ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>And Justice Department employees are doing really what is the

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<v Speaker 4>opposite of their jobs during normal times. Poll monitors are

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<v Speaker 4>being sent out. We heard about poll monitors that were

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<v Speaker 4>sent out about a week ago, and even a Republican

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<v Speaker 4>governor rebuffed them because it seemed like the Justice Department

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<v Speaker 4>sent these people there to create confusion and to interfere

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<v Speaker 4>with state election processes, not for any legitimate purpose of

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<v Speaker 4>trying to protect and preserve the fairness and integrity of

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that was Wyoming, right? I think that was

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<v Speaker 1>last week.

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<v Speaker 2>The Wyoming governor, Republican there, said that he thought that

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<v Speaker 2>the Justice Department monitors that were sent to his state

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<v Speaker 2>were being too aggressive. And I'm thinking to myself, what

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<v Speaker 2>are Justice Department monitors doing in Wyoming to begin with?

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<v Speaker 2>What elections do they have to worry about in Wyoming?

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<v Speaker 1>It's really... wild stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And typically you would think that the Justice Department would

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<v Speaker 2>be consulted with on this DHS thing that they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm just looking at, you know, some of

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<v Speaker 2>the details of this. And again, it's, it's, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>right out of a New York Times story that just

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<v Speaker 2>came out minutes ago. Investigators posing as individual voters by

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<v Speaker 2>plugging their names and personal information into public facing websites

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<v Speaker 2>run by the top election official in each state. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of these sites declare they are meant for individual use reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>potentially raising privacy concerns. I don't know whose personal information

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<v Speaker 2>that they're using to go into these databases, Liz, but

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds suspicious too.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they're trying to tamper with elections and see if

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<v Speaker 4>they can make anything work so that they can claim

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<v Speaker 4>that there's some fraud that we should be worried about.

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<v Speaker 4>They're trying to create problems that do not exist. They

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<v Speaker 4>are trying to plant the problems now so that later

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<v Speaker 4>they can claim that the election was rigged or it

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<v Speaker 4>was unfair, or they can try to give some credence

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<v Speaker 4>to these tired claims that Donald Trump makes about election

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<v Speaker 4>outcomes that he doesn't like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I, you know, Liz, I mean, what is ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>the path here? I guess pro-democracy forces can try to

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<v Speaker 2>take the Department of Homeland Security to court.

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats could try to take.

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<v Speaker 2>DHS to court and see if a judge, it's almost

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<v Speaker 2>like whack-a-mole You know, they've been trying to do this

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<v Speaker 2>with the voting by mail. And there was a New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times story just the other day where a whistle,

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<v Speaker 2>I think a whistleblower had come out and talked about

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<v Speaker 2>how they're not comfortable with the way the Postal Service

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<v Speaker 2>is trying to rush this executive order that Donald Trump is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, it's not a legitimate executive order,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're trying to implement it.

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<v Speaker 1>And, you know, that sounds, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy to a lot of people, too, that the Postal

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<v Speaker 2>Service would even be involved in the elections. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're just supposed to send the mail, send me my

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<v Speaker 2>ballot in the mail, send me my.

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<v Speaker 1>Electric bill in the mail. That's what they're supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not voting or election experts. And apparently some whistleblowers

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<v Speaker 2>said there was a problem with that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I mean, getting the Postal Service involved, like you

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<v Speaker 4>only do that if you actually want to create a

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<v Speaker 4>new problem that doesn't already exist. There is no reason

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<v Speaker 4>for that. There's no legitimate reason for that whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>What's so chilling about this, Jim, is that the Justice

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<v Speaker 4>Department is the agency that should be protecting the integrity

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<v Speaker 4>of our elections. And instead, they are on the inside

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<v Speaker 4>trying to poke holes in electoral processes that are working

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<v Speaker 4>just fine. They're trying to sow doubt. They're working against

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<v Speaker 4>the fairness and integrity of our elections. They're the ones

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<v Speaker 4>that we're supposed to be able to count on to

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<v Speaker 4>make sure they're fair. And they're doing exactly the opposite.

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<v Speaker 4>So the question is, what is the solution? Who's going

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<v Speaker 4>to step in?

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<v Speaker 1>Here?

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<v Speaker 4>There are lots of pro-democracy groups that you have, as

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<v Speaker 4>you've mentioned, that are litigating these issues, and they're doing

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<v Speaker 4>really important work. At the end of the day, the

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<v Speaker 4>Supreme Court is going to need to hold the line

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<v Speaker 4>here and make sure that Donald Trump cannot interfere with

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<v Speaker 4>the elections on the eve of midterm elections. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>we are so close to the date for midterm elections

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<v Speaker 4>for male voting to start in certain states is like

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<v Speaker 4>a month away. So really nothing should be changing. There

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<v Speaker 4>should be no changes made to voting processes. That is

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<v Speaker 4>not normal. But there's this effort to kind of to

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<v Speaker 4>sow doubt. And we really need the Supreme Court to

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<v Speaker 4>hold the line here. Even if they do, Jim, I

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<v Speaker 4>There's already a lot of damage that's been done because

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<v Speaker 4>people are confused now. People are confused about how to vote.

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<v Speaker 4>They're confused about whether their votes will be counted. They're

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<v Speaker 4>There has just been so much chaos injected already intentionally

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<v Speaker 4>it's incredibly important that everyone inform themselves of how to vote,

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<v Speaker 4>by this confusion. But that's the goal, Jim. It's to

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think early voting starts in North Carolina within

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<v Speaker 2>days from now. I mean, this is and Todd Blanch,

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<v Speaker 1>All of this.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can't really count on Todd Blanch on any

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, 100 percent. He's definitely going to do Donald Trump's bidding.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, he's made it clear that that's his top.

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<v Speaker 4>priority is to protect Donald Trump's interests. And if that

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<v Speaker 4>means sowing doubt about elections, making false claims about election fraud,

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing, you know, this was the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that you and I were trying to talk about, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is the Supreme Court and what's been happening at

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<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Court and the way that they decided that

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<v Speaker 2>Trump can basically do whatever he wants with the White

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<v Speaker 2>House ballroom. I think we should talk about that a little.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a little surprising that the Chief Justice John

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<v Speaker 2>Roberts and sided with the liberal justices on the court

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<v Speaker 2>who said that Trump can't just do whatever he wants

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<v Speaker 2>with the ballroom. And I think John Roberts said that

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<v Speaker 2>he thought it was maybe potentially illegal. But yet the

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<v Speaker 2>other ones, the other conservative justices said, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the plaintiff didn't have proper standing. And so go ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>build your ballroom, do whatever you want. What was your

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<v Speaker 2>reaction to that? Because I saw a story in NPR

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<v Speaker 2>today that this really could establish a precedent now that Basically,

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this was a really striking opinion. And what was

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<v Speaker 4>in the ballroom. There is not a single person who

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<v Speaker 4>build this ballroom. What five justices in the majority of

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<v Speaker 4>the Supreme Court said is that the plaintiff, the person

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<v Speaker 4>who sued, did not have standing to bring the lawsuit,

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<v Speaker 4>was not a proper party to challenge the president's actions.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is a person who claimed that she had

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<v Speaker 4>standing based on the fact that she's a member of

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<v Speaker 4>the National Trust for Historic Preservation, which is dedicated to

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<v Speaker 4>preserving historic buildings like the White House. She lives near

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<v Speaker 4>the site of the construction. She walks by it frequently.

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<v Speaker 4>She likes to look at the site. It deprives her

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<v Speaker 4>of reuse and enjoyment of that site. Now, the Supreme

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<v Speaker 4>Court said that's not enough. If that's not enough to

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<v Speaker 4>sue to challenge this, then nobody has standing to sue

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<v Speaker 4>to challenge the construction of the ballroom. It is clearly

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<v Speaker 4>in violation of federal law. The law could not be

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<v Speaker 4>clearer that the president cannot build on federal land without

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<v Speaker 4>prior approval from Congress. Congress has not approved this construction.

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<v Speaker 4>So the construction is illegal. That's what John Roberts said.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what the dissenting justices said. That's what the court

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<v Speaker 4>below who was being appealed said. This is illegal and

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<v Speaker 4>needs to be stopped. The justices on the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 4>who held that the construction can continue, they did it

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<v Speaker 4>on a technicality. They did not disagree with the rationale

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<v Speaker 4>that this is actually illegal. So basically, the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 4>has said that the president is free to violate the

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<v Speaker 4>law because there is nobody who is allowed to challenge

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<v Speaker 4>his authority legally. That is a very disturbing ruling because

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<v Speaker 4>it may leave other presidential conduct unchecked as well. It

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<v Speaker 4>raises real questions about when the Kennedy Center case gets

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<v Speaker 4>up to the Supreme Court, will the plaintiff in that

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<v Speaker 4>case be deemed to have standing or will the court

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<v Speaker 4>decide that Donald Trump is free to do whatever he

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<v Speaker 4>wants with the Kennedy Center because nobody has standing to

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<v Speaker 4>challenge it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, on the Kennedy Center thing today, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just today they were, you know, taking down, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of these statues over the, it's a beloved statue

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<v Speaker 2>over at the Kennedy Center, So you might find the

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<v Speaker 2>story on this. They took down the sculpture known as Blue.

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<v Speaker 2>I should have been able to remember the name of that.

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<v Speaker 2>The latest change to the Cultural and Performing Arts Center

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<v Speaker 1>This is according to the Associated Press.

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<v Speaker 2>The sculpture, a tall blue stick figure poised in action

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<v Speaker 2>as if to kick a ball or from a different angle,

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<v Speaker 2>having just kicked one, was designed by sculptor Joel Shapiro

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<v Speaker 2>and installed in 2019. Our friends at Hands Off the

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<v Speaker 2>Arts have been trying to fight, you know, the Trump

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, you know, I just, you know, Liz,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is disturbing what's happening right now.

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<v Speaker 2>If the president of the United States can just bulldoze

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<v Speaker 2>part of the White House. I mean, I guess this

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<v Speaker 2>means the next president can just build a skyscraper, bulldoze,

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<v Speaker 2>bulldoze the whole White House, build a skyscraper there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they can do what they can take down

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<v Speaker 2>statues at the Kennedy Center. I thought these places belong

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<v Speaker 2>to all of us.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Jim, I mean, I was sick to my stomach when

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<v Speaker 4>I read the government's brief in the Kennedy Center case,

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<v Speaker 4>the most recent filing that was made by the Justice Department.

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<v Speaker 4>As somebody who has lived in D.C. for a very

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<v Speaker 4>long time and been to the Kennedy Center many, many times,

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<v Speaker 4>I know that it is a beautiful place. It is

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<v Speaker 4>a place that has outstanding performances, cultural events. It has

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<v Speaker 4>all of the amenities that you would want from a

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<v Speaker 4>performing arts center of that caliber. And the brief of

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<v Speaker 4>the government, I mean, it made it sound like the

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<v Speaker 4>place was falling down, like it was a decrepit dungeon

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<v Speaker 4>where the ceiling might collapse on you at any moment.

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<v Speaker 4>It started out with a line that said something to

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<v Speaker 4>the effect of, the Kennedy Center is in terrible trouble.

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<v Speaker 4>It is just lies. It is not true. The claim

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<v Speaker 4>that the building would have to be razed if we

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<v Speaker 4>can't proceed with putting Donald Trump's name on it is

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<v Speaker 4>just one of the most absurd things I have ever heard.

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<v Speaker 4>And it just rings so false as somebody who has

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<v Speaker 4>been to that building many times, including as recently as

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<v Speaker 4>last year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me too, Liz.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to love going there all the time. And

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<v Speaker 2>people need to understand. I mean, we need a reality

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<v Speaker 2>check on the Kennedy Center. for a moment, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is this. If Donald Trump had never put his name

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<v Speaker 2>on the Kennedy Center and taken it over in the

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<v Speaker 2>way that he did and run off all those performers

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<v Speaker 2>and all those great artists who are institutions there, I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>The Kennedy Center would be just fine.

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<v Speaker 2>The Kennedy Center would be, I mean, they operated the

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<v Speaker 2>Kennedy Center during his first administration. He wasn't doing all

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<v Speaker 2>of this batshit banana things during the first administration. The

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<v Speaker 2>Kennedy Center stayed open. It didn't fall in on itself.

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<v Speaker 2>And They're just making up all of these excuses. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's patently obvious to everybody who lives in the Washington

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<v Speaker 2>DC area that they've just, they've just destroyed the place financially.

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<v Speaker 2>And if they would just walk away and let a

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<v Speaker 2>in six months it'd be fine again, but they've just

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<v Speaker 2>botched the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's, it's really remarkable. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the only reason people don't want to go

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<v Speaker 4>there is because of what Trump has done to it.

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<v Speaker 4>He has, as you said, destroyed the place. He's, he's

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<v Speaker 4>made it, he's turned it into a joke and he

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<v Speaker 4>wants the building to physically pay tribute to him or

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<v Speaker 4>else he is threatening to raise the building, to collapse it.

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<v Speaker 4>And they mentioned possibly building an outdoor amphitheater instead. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it is totally absurd. It's based on lies. It's a

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<v Speaker 4>vanity project right now. It looks like the court is

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<v Speaker 4>poised to potentially hold again that Donald Trump cannot put

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<v Speaker 4>his name on the building because But there is a

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<v Speaker 4>real concern, like I said, based on the decision on

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<v Speaker 4>the ballroom that this could get up to the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 4>The Supreme Court could say, well, nobody actually has the

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<v Speaker 4>legal right to challenge what Donald Trump is doing. So

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<v Speaker 4>if he wants to name it the Donald Trump and

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<v Speaker 4>John F. Kennedy Center, he's free to. And that is

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<v Speaker 4>a real concern.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Liz, I don't know. I just thought of this idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe instead of calling these vanity projects, we should call

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<v Speaker 2>them insanity projects. I think that's more to the point.

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<v Speaker 2>These are insanity projects that Donald Trump has created. embarked

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<v Speaker 2>on and and it's just nuts the other thing we

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<v Speaker 2>should talk about and i don't think this story should

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<v Speaker 2>ever die it should never be placed on the back

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<v Speaker 2>burner and it's the epstein um epstein gates saga that

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<v Speaker 2>donald trump and todd blanchard tried to cover up i

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<v Speaker 2>know you just put out a video on instagram by

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<v Speaker 2>the way your lawyer or your instagram videos are a

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<v Speaker 2>sensation and you know we should play your video and

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it on the other side because i think

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<v Speaker 2>you know again What they're trying to do for Ghislaine

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<v Speaker 2>Maxwell is really it's just unconscionable.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's play and talk about it.

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<v Speaker 4>This week, he finally got a key document from the

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<v Speaker 4>Bureau of Prisons. It is the Form 409 requesting Maxwell's

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<v Speaker 4>transfer to the federal prison camp in Bryan, Texas. BOP

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<v Speaker 4>is required to complete this form to request and approve

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<v Speaker 1>But guess what?

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<v Speaker 4>Almost every single part of the form is redacted. At

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<v Speaker 4>the top, it's got Maxwell's name highlighted in yellow. Then

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<v Speaker 4>it has the handwritten date 7-30-25, which is right after

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<v Speaker 4>Blanche visited Maxwell in Florida. And then literally everything else

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<v Speaker 4>is whited out. There's a section that asks for the

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<v Speaker 4>rationale for her transfer. That whole box is redacted. There's

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<v Speaker 4>completely redacted. Question five asks whether she presents any behavioral

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<v Speaker 4>there are any BP-337 or 338 discrepancies. That means, is

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<v Speaker 4>the requested transfer appropriate for her security level? The correct

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<v Speaker 4>answer is no, but that is also redacted. And finally,

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<v Speaker 4>the names of all the people involved in requesting and

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<v Speaker 4>approving the transfer are redacted. So who decided to redact everything? Well,

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<v Speaker 4>BOP is part of the Department of Justice, which means

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<v Speaker 4>it's run by Todd Blanche. He decides what gets released

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<v Speaker 4>and what gets redacted. And we all know how good

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<v Speaker 4>he is at that. BOP claims the redactions are needed

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<v Speaker 4>to protect privacy interests. Legally, this is highly dubious. Under

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<v Speaker 4>weighed against the public's interest in knowing the truth, which

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<v Speaker 4>to be separately justified.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Liz, I mean, talk about this a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>These redactions, I mean, it's pretty disturbing. And again, they

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<v Speaker 2>find new and inventive ways to cover this up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the Freedom of Information Act is a law that

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<v Speaker 4>requires transparency in government functions. And a journalist, others have

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<v Speaker 4>requested this as well, but a journalist requested a year

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<v Speaker 4>ago the documents related to Maxwell's transfer under the Freedom

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<v Speaker 4>of Information Act. And It should have been very easy

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<v Speaker 4>to locate this document and turn it over, but they

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<v Speaker 4>dragged their feet for a year. It was not until

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<v Speaker 4>a court got involved that they even gave over the

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<v Speaker 4>document at all. And then when they turned it over,

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<v Speaker 4>they redacted all of the parts of any substance, which

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<v Speaker 4>is just legally something that you cannot do. You are

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<v Speaker 4>required to weigh the public's interest in knowing the information

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<v Speaker 4>against any privacy interests or other considerations. And there is

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<v Speaker 4>no question that the public's interest in knowing why Galen

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<v Speaker 4>Maxwell was transferred to that minimum security prison. It outweighs

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<v Speaker 4>any privacy interests that the Justice Department might be claiming.

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<v Speaker 4>But the whole section, I mean, there's a whole box,

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<v Speaker 4>you saw it on there, that requires you to put

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<v Speaker 4>in an explanation for the transfer, all completely redacted. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a problem for Blanche because Blanche is given an explanation.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, oh, it had nothing to do with special treatment.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not privileges for her. It's a perfectly routine transfer.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was because she was receiving death threats. I

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<v Speaker 4>am willing to bet quite a bit, Jim, that there

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<v Speaker 4>is no documentation of any death threats that she was receiving.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, this was clearly special treatment in exchange for

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that she just days earlier had given Blanche

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<v Speaker 4>statements purporting to exonerate Donald Trump from any misconduct in

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<v Speaker 4>connection with Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think somebody needs to sue to get

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<v Speaker 2>a hold of those documents to find out what was

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<v Speaker 2>being redacted there. I would assume somewhere there, We have the,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, the original documents that don't have the redactions involved.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand how, shouldn't redactions have something to do

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<v Speaker 2>with national security or personal privacy or some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>classified government reason?

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<v Speaker 1>This is just Ghislaine Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a sex predator. She should be behind bars in

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<v Speaker 2>a maximum security prison. And the reasons for transfer should

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<v Speaker 2>be open to the public.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>100%.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, there are things that legitimately might be redacted.

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<v Speaker 4>For example, her medical information, if she's got medical issues,

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<v Speaker 4>it might be legitimate to redact her personal medical information

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<v Speaker 4>or her social security number. But the reason that Todd

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<v Speaker 4>Blanchett had her transferred, that is a subject of great

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<v Speaker 4>public concern and absolutely should not be permitted to be experienced.

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<v Speaker 4>redacted this journalist who got the document jason leopold of

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<v Speaker 4>bloomberg has been doing great work on this and he

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<v Speaker 4>is litigating this i imagine he will challenge the redaction

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<v Speaker 4>the problem with that that legal process is that it

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<v Speaker 4>takes a really long time so we're not likely to

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<v Speaker 4>see the unredacted document anytime soon but it does exist

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<v Speaker 4>and hopefully it will come.

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<v Speaker 2>To light Well, Liz, once again, you knock it out

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<v Speaker 2>of the park and your YouTube and Instagram videos are invaluable.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Substack. You're everywhere. And I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>we would do without you. So thank you for coming

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<v Speaker 1>on today. It's always great to see you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks, Liz.

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<v Speaker 2>Really appreciate it. That's Lawyer Oyer. Liz Oyer, the great

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<v Speaker 2>Lawyer Oyer. Always appreciate when she comes on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>In a few moments, Olivia Troy is going to join me.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to go back to this top story. that

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<v Speaker 2>I brought you at the beginning of the show. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's extremely disturbing, folks. And, you know, Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>we just need to be very clear about this. Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has started this deal. This is not, you know,

497
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<v Speaker 2>last time around he claimed he wanted to stop this deal.

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<v Speaker 2>This time he has started this deal. And the New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times reporting that hundreds of federal agents from the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Homeland Security have been assigned to an intensive

501
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<v Speaker 2>weeks-long hunt For non-citizens among the nation's registered voters, despite

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<v Speaker 2>an absence of evidence of widespread fraud, agents are scouring

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<v Speaker 2>voter rolls managed by the states. They're using personally identifiable

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<v Speaker 2>information about individual voters.

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<v Speaker 1>They're using dates of birth. They're using partial social security numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>In some cases, investigators are posing as individual voters by

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<v Speaker 2>plugging their names and personal information into public-facing websites, raising

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<v Speaker 2>privacy concerns.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is absolutely insane. ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's yet another story. As Liz Oyer was mentioning

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<v Speaker 2>a few moments ago, you had Justice Department officials in

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<v Speaker 2>Wyoming who were being so aggressive outside of voting stations

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<v Speaker 2>that the Republican governor of Wyoming was saying, what is

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<v Speaker 2>going on here? You have this gambit that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has started with trying to seize control of mail-in voting

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<v Speaker 2>in this country through the U.S. Postal Service, a whistleblower

517
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<v Speaker 2>who was reported on in the This whistleblower has apparently

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<v Speaker 2>raised concerns that they're doing this in such a haphazard,

519
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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous way that it could screw up the midterms. And

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Blumenthal, the senator from Connecticut, who also raised awareness

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<v Speaker 2>of this, has said that he may not have faith

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<v Speaker 2>in the voting totals if this continues with what Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is trying to do to mail in voting. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring in Olivia Troy in just a moment in

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<v Speaker 2>all of this. But again, folks, this raises the very

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<v Speaker 2>real concern And I've talked about this on the show

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<v Speaker 2>many times that that are voting right now or elections

528
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<v Speaker 2>right now are being interfered with. You have early voting

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<v Speaker 2>starting very soon in the next couple of weeks in

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<v Speaker 2>places like North Carolina. I think my friend Olivia Troy

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<v Speaker 2>is here now, former national security official in the first

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration until she became a very high profile whistleblower

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<v Speaker 2>herself and advocate for good government herself.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see, is Olivia in the room? Let's add Olivia

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<v Speaker 1>if we can. There she is. Olivia, great to see you. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't hear you. Let's try it. Let's try again.

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<v Speaker 1>Get the audio going there. That's okay. That's okay. The

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<v Speaker 1>technical gremlins are with us today. It's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you saw, maybe you heard me rambling on

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<v Speaker 2>and reading this New York Times story. I'm very disturbed

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<v Speaker 2>by this. DHS agents posing as voters going on this

542
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<v Speaker 2>phishing expedition, looking for non-voters or illegal voters in the

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<v Speaker 2>voting system.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't add up.

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<v Speaker 2>And it says to me that, again, they're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>cause mischief in these midterms.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I read about this and I've been very concerned

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<v Speaker 5>the past 24 hours as I really looked into it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they're talking about going to, I think, like

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<v Speaker 3>nine different states.

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<v Speaker 5>And honestly, the big red flag for me, Jim, was

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<v Speaker 5>the fact that a lot of those states are swing states.

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<v Speaker 3>That really stood out to me.

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<v Speaker 5>And, you know, yeah, they're calling it what the voter

555
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<v Speaker 5>fraud surge initiative. I mean, we have HSI going into

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<v Speaker 5>our communities again. We've seen what that looks like when

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<v Speaker 5>they go out onto our streets and.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing usually good comes from it. I just wrote about this, actually, because.

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<v Speaker 5>I was so angry that this is now what they're

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<v Speaker 5>choosing to do in this mission.

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<v Speaker 3>Because, you know, HSI, I'm familiar with them. I worked

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<v Speaker 3>at DHS.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, they're supposed to be focused on like combating,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, human trafficking. They're, yes, they should go back

565
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<v Speaker 5>tracking cartels. And when I look at this and I

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<v Speaker 5>think about like the DHS mission, when it comes to elections,

567
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<v Speaker 5>maybe it's focused on, you know, maybe countering foreign interference,

568
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:47.220
<v Speaker 5>maybe cyber crime, things like that, but not actually policing

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<v Speaker 5>our own people and getting involved in this the way

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<v Speaker 5>they are announcing that ICE is going to be involved

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<v Speaker 5>in because HSI funds are also to rise.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think. This is alarming. Very alarming.

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<v Speaker 1>Very alarming.

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<v Speaker 2>And kudos to you for writing about this. This is

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<v Speaker 2>where your story says federal agents are launching a voter

576
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<v Speaker 2>fraud surge across nine states starting today that will continue

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<v Speaker 2>as Americans begin casting ballots in the midterm elections. And

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<v Speaker 2>you go on to say, I spent years inside the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Homeland Security and counterterrorism communities. The dates caught

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<v Speaker 2>my attention, but the agency they chose got my full attention.

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<v Speaker 2>And you go on to say, if this is your

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<v Speaker 2>introduction to HSI, don't feel bad. ICE eats all the headlines.

583
00:29:26.289 --> 00:29:30.069
<v Speaker 2>FEMA soaks up what's ever left. But I know this agency.

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<v Speaker 2>HSI is not the Department of Motor Vehicles with badges.

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<v Speaker 2>It's ICE's principal investigative arm. Let's talk more about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think this is what was really concerning.

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<v Speaker 5>For me is just, I mean, I'm trying to figure

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<v Speaker 5>out what kind of investigation are they conducting here? Because

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<v Speaker 5>we just saw that DHS recently announced that they had,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, 16,000 non-citizens had voted in Nevada. Well, when

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<v Speaker 5>they actually dug into it, remember that? When they dug

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<v Speaker 5>into it and Nevada officials said, oh, okay, we will

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<v Speaker 5>get on top of this. Let's investigate this. Give us

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<v Speaker 5>more information. Can we get the identifiers for this so

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<v Speaker 5>that we can conduct the proper investigation?

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<v Speaker 3>Which they should, right?

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<v Speaker 5>Because we shouldn't have non-citizens voting. Well, the follow-up, you know,

598
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<v Speaker 5>DHS was like, oh, in further review, we only think

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<v Speaker 5>it's 185. And then they wouldn't hand over the identifiers

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<v Speaker 5>to Nevada. I say that as a prime example because

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<v Speaker 5>that is my concern is, How many more of these

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<v Speaker 5>types of situations are we going to have going forward

603
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<v Speaker 5>when we have this surge investigation that's now happening right

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<v Speaker 5>before the midterm elections?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's not lost on me, right? I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not lost on any of us. The timing of

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<v Speaker 3>this is completely suspect. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, I don't know what we do as

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<v Speaker 1>a country.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the pro-democracy forces, we have, you know, friends

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<v Speaker 2>who are lawyers and can you know, file lawsuits and

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing to try to stop this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing. But the courts have been very slow in

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<v Speaker 2>all of this. And, you know, Donald Trump knows how

615
00:31:00.470 --> 00:31:03.069
<v Speaker 2>to play this system like a fiddle. And the Supreme

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<v Speaker 2>Court has bailed him out time and again. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they're letting him do whatever he wants with the White

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<v Speaker 2>House grounds. I mean, I guess, you know, you can

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<v Speaker 2>build a skyscraper there. You could build, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>space station there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>You can build an amusement park there. And I guess

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<v Speaker 2>because he's the president, the Supreme Court's going to let

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<v Speaker 2>him do whatever he wants. And that's what concerns me

625
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<v Speaker 2>about our elections is that we don't have the same

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court that we had in 2020 by and large.

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<v Speaker 1>And, you know, this concerns me.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you know, yes, usually we're like, OK, we

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<v Speaker 5>have we are a country of the rule of law

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<v Speaker 5>and they will hold the line.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know. I don't know how this situation

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<v Speaker 3>continues to develop.

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<v Speaker 5>And, you know, there's I've seen a couple of people

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<v Speaker 5>out there that are saying, no, you know, let's not

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<v Speaker 5>be alarmist about this.

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00:31:48.250 --> 00:31:48.710
<v Speaker 4>Well, no.

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00:31:49.309 --> 00:31:53.049
<v Speaker 3>No, this is actually a time to be alarmist because

638
00:31:53.529 --> 00:31:55.410
<v Speaker 3>if I'm telling you as someone who worked in.

639
00:31:55.339 --> 00:31:58.880
<v Speaker 5>The Trump administration that none of this is really adding

640
00:31:58.940 --> 00:32:01.680
<v Speaker 5>up for me and I'm increasingly alarmed and concerned and

641
00:32:01.700 --> 00:32:04.180
<v Speaker 5>I've actually had conversations with some of these nonprofits that

642
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.480
<v Speaker 5>are working on this, we should be paying attention because

643
00:32:07.529 --> 00:32:10.690
<v Speaker 5>we should be preparing, prepare for those legal battles, yes.

644
00:32:10.769 --> 00:32:12.130
<v Speaker 3>But the other thing.

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00:32:12.009 --> 00:32:14.710
<v Speaker 5>That I want to stress though is that this is

646
00:32:14.789 --> 00:32:17.150
<v Speaker 5>another reason to double down and make sure that you

647
00:32:17.170 --> 00:32:18.910
<v Speaker 5>show up to vote. And I think what I don't

648
00:32:18.950 --> 00:32:21.880
<v Speaker 5>want to happen is that people get dissuaded because they

649
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.759
<v Speaker 5>are going to make everything twice or three, three times

650
00:32:25.819 --> 00:32:26.140
<v Speaker 5>as hard.

651
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:26.799
<v Speaker 1>Right.

652
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:28.839
<v Speaker 5>And I think that we've got to remember that this

653
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.079
<v Speaker 5>just means that we have to power up and use

654
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:34.299
<v Speaker 5>our voices and double down on this. And, you know,

655
00:32:34.420 --> 00:32:36.660
<v Speaker 5>I don't know what this leads to. I think, you know,

656
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.430
<v Speaker 5>the coming days, we're going to see how this develops,

657
00:32:39.589 --> 00:32:42.809
<v Speaker 5>how States react to this, what's going on. I think,

658
00:32:43.769 --> 00:32:45.529
<v Speaker 5>You know, I think at the state level, I think

659
00:32:45.549 --> 00:32:49.039
<v Speaker 5>there should be concern. Hopefully the attorney generals and secretaries

660
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.960
<v Speaker 5>of state are playing close attention to this and, you know,

661
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:55.819
<v Speaker 5>trying to figure out what is DHS actually doing here?

662
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:59.400
<v Speaker 3>Because I think when you've got Homeland Security, I think,

663
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:00.900
<v Speaker 3>you know, this department has.

664
00:33:00.809 --> 00:33:05.130
<v Speaker 5>Been completely misused throughout this second term of the administration,

665
00:33:05.170 --> 00:33:08.549
<v Speaker 5>I would say. And, you know, when they're getting involved

666
00:33:08.809 --> 00:33:11.970
<v Speaker 5>in voter rolls now and they're going to start conducting

667
00:33:12.009 --> 00:33:15.200
<v Speaker 5>these investigations, This is all part of what I think

668
00:33:15.220 --> 00:33:16.940
<v Speaker 5>you and I have discussed in the past, which is

669
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:22.269
<v Speaker 5>using the national security apparatus, the Homeland Security cloak to

670
00:33:22.309 --> 00:33:26.190
<v Speaker 5>conduct whatever it is that they're doing that I would say,

671
00:33:26.289 --> 00:33:28.410
<v Speaker 5>quite frankly, is doing Trump's bidding.

672
00:33:29.049 --> 00:33:29.269
<v Speaker 1>Right.

673
00:33:29.309 --> 00:33:31.750
<v Speaker 5>And I think that is what is concerning here as

674
00:33:31.789 --> 00:33:34.970
<v Speaker 5>we go into this election cycle. And so I think,

675
00:33:35.009 --> 00:33:38.680
<v Speaker 5>you know, TBD, we'll see what more surfaces. But this

676
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:40.920
<v Speaker 5>is a really serious situation.

677
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:41.200
<v Speaker 3>For our democracy.

678
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:42.539
<v Speaker 1>I agree.

679
00:33:42.779 --> 00:33:47.500
<v Speaker 2>And, you know, I guess Senator Alyssa Slotkin the other

680
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:50.480
<v Speaker 2>day asked General Dan Cain, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs,

681
00:33:50.619 --> 00:33:54.440
<v Speaker 2>and Pete Hegseth, will, you know, service members be, you know,

682
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:57.000
<v Speaker 2>military service members be showing up at the polls during

683
00:33:57.019 --> 00:33:59.140
<v Speaker 2>the midterms and so on. Apparently the chairman of the

684
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.220
<v Speaker 2>Joint Chiefs, Dan Cain, said no, they're not. Pete Hegseth

685
00:34:02.789 --> 00:34:05.150
<v Speaker 2>did not offer a reply as far as I understand

686
00:34:05.190 --> 00:34:09.110
<v Speaker 2>from the reporting. And so it's almost as though what

687
00:34:09.130 --> 00:34:12.239
<v Speaker 2>the administration is trying to do in the way that

688
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.380
<v Speaker 2>they cause chaos in the media, he causes chaos with

689
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:17.460
<v Speaker 2>the allies. It sounds like what he's going to try

690
00:34:17.500 --> 00:34:20.420
<v Speaker 2>to do is cause chaos with the courts, cause chaos

691
00:34:20.460 --> 00:34:23.699
<v Speaker 2>with the midterms, and see if he can, through that

692
00:34:23.820 --> 00:34:27.369
<v Speaker 2>whirlwind that he whips up, extract some way where he

693
00:34:27.429 --> 00:34:31.969
<v Speaker 2>avoids accountability, extract some path to not seating a new Congress.

694
00:34:32.750 --> 00:34:35.750
<v Speaker 2>And people need to understand that I totally agree with

695
00:34:35.769 --> 00:34:37.429
<v Speaker 2>what you just said a few moments ago, Olivia. I've

696
00:34:37.449 --> 00:34:39.800
<v Speaker 2>been talking about this on the show here and there,

697
00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:41.840
<v Speaker 2>which is people need to have a plan to vote.

698
00:34:42.619 --> 00:34:44.699
<v Speaker 2>It's sort of like if your house is on fire,

699
00:34:44.739 --> 00:34:48.820
<v Speaker 2>you know, families get together before something like that god-awful

700
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:51.389
<v Speaker 2>thing happens in their home. Okay, we're going to go

701
00:34:51.429 --> 00:34:53.769
<v Speaker 2>out this window or we go out this door. You know,

702
00:34:53.789 --> 00:34:55.690
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that used to be a thing when I

703
00:34:55.730 --> 00:34:57.510
<v Speaker 2>was growing up. You had a plan if your house

704
00:34:57.530 --> 00:35:00.510
<v Speaker 2>was on fire. Maybe I'm old and, you know, house

705
00:35:00.550 --> 00:35:03.230
<v Speaker 2>fires were more common back then. But people need to

706
00:35:03.250 --> 00:35:06.349
<v Speaker 2>have a plan to vote. And if mail-in voting is

707
00:35:06.389 --> 00:35:08.750
<v Speaker 2>not looking like it's going to work in your state

708
00:35:08.809 --> 00:35:10.389
<v Speaker 2>and you're really fired up and you want to send

709
00:35:10.429 --> 00:35:13.250
<v Speaker 2>in your ballot, make another plan. See if you can

710
00:35:13.269 --> 00:35:15.320
<v Speaker 2>get a friend or a loved one or a relative

711
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.039
<v Speaker 2>to get you to an early voting location or get

712
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:21.139
<v Speaker 2>there on election day. You may have to show up

713
00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:24.980
<v Speaker 2>at 6 in the morning and stuff some granola bars

714
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:27.159
<v Speaker 2>in your pockets. Do they still arrest people for having

715
00:35:27.219 --> 00:35:30.320
<v Speaker 2>water and snacks at the lines? Have you seen that yet?

716
00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:30.659
<v Speaker 3>I know.

717
00:35:33.820 --> 00:35:35.260
<v Speaker 2>I think that they were talking about doing that in

718
00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:38.519
<v Speaker 2>Georgia for Pete's sake, but people need to have a plan.

719
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:40.500
<v Speaker 1>I totally agree with you that people need to be prepared.

720
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:44.260
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and look to your point about what you said

721
00:35:44.469 --> 00:35:47.849
<v Speaker 5>about that letter from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

722
00:35:47.869 --> 00:35:51.329
<v Speaker 5>I read that and paid close attention and I was

723
00:35:51.369 --> 00:35:54.010
<v Speaker 5>thinking to myself, okay, this is what you're saying right now.

724
00:35:54.969 --> 00:35:59.820
<v Speaker 5>And I wanna just say, I'm not to get into

725
00:35:59.969 --> 00:36:01.960
<v Speaker 5>speculation and things like that.

726
00:36:01.980 --> 00:36:06.380
<v Speaker 3>I wanna be clear about that. But that doesn't.

727
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:13.380
<v Speaker 5>Say that there won't be some emergency, some crime hunt down,

728
00:36:13.500 --> 00:36:19.119
<v Speaker 5>tamp down, some invasion, I put it in quotes, that's

729
00:36:19.139 --> 00:36:22.989
<v Speaker 5>going to necessitate putting military troops out on the streets

730
00:36:23.170 --> 00:36:25.329
<v Speaker 5>that coincidentally times with the election, right?

731
00:36:25.349 --> 00:36:27.329
<v Speaker 3>Like, these are the things I watch when.

732
00:36:27.210 --> 00:36:29.849
<v Speaker 5>It comes to Donald Trump and this circle of people,

733
00:36:29.929 --> 00:36:33.659
<v Speaker 5>because I've actually... I've seen their planning internally firsthand with

734
00:36:33.699 --> 00:36:36.039
<v Speaker 5>how they view the military and how they use it

735
00:36:36.059 --> 00:36:38.960
<v Speaker 5>to their bidding. And we've seen the way they reach

736
00:36:38.980 --> 00:36:42.139
<v Speaker 5>havoc on our streets, you know, throughout this past year

737
00:36:42.179 --> 00:36:43.630
<v Speaker 5>when they did send the National Guard.

738
00:36:43.670 --> 00:36:45.489
<v Speaker 3>We still have the National Guard walking around D.C.

739
00:36:45.550 --> 00:36:45.949
<v Speaker 1>In some ways.

740
00:36:45.989 --> 00:36:46.170
<v Speaker 3>Right.

741
00:36:46.210 --> 00:36:49.809
<v Speaker 5>So when I when I see that letter, I say, well,

742
00:36:50.090 --> 00:36:52.710
<v Speaker 5>thank you for putting that on the record.

743
00:36:53.260 --> 00:36:54.860
<v Speaker 3>And in this moment.

744
00:36:55.099 --> 00:36:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Right.

745
00:36:55.340 --> 00:36:56.659
<v Speaker 3>But it makes me wonder.

746
00:36:57.170 --> 00:37:00.260
<v Speaker 5>With so many people in that revolving door right now

747
00:37:00.340 --> 00:37:03.780
<v Speaker 5>in the Pentagon and how many general officers are either

748
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:07.500
<v Speaker 5>being fired or resigning or moved to the side. It just,

749
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:09.679
<v Speaker 5>you know, it's like, okay, well, thank you for putting

750
00:37:09.699 --> 00:37:12.829
<v Speaker 5>that in writing noted, but I'm not necessarily going to

751
00:37:12.889 --> 00:37:16.449
<v Speaker 5>trust 100% that that's a legit thing because ultimately it's

752
00:37:16.489 --> 00:37:17.429
<v Speaker 5>going to be Donald Trump.

753
00:37:17.489 --> 00:37:18.309
<v Speaker 3>Right. And yeah.

754
00:37:18.329 --> 00:37:18.949
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

755
00:37:19.050 --> 00:37:20.570
<v Speaker 1>It makes you want to check the fine print.

756
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:21.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

757
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:23.590
<v Speaker 5>So when I read it, I was like, okay, somebody

758
00:37:23.610 --> 00:37:24.150
<v Speaker 5>print that out.

759
00:37:24.170 --> 00:37:27.130
<v Speaker 3>It's on record. But that to me means it doesn't, it's.

760
00:37:27.070 --> 00:37:27.710
<v Speaker 1>Not a guarantee.

761
00:37:28.190 --> 00:37:28.510
<v Speaker 3>We'll see.

762
00:37:28.570 --> 00:37:28.789
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

763
00:37:29.670 --> 00:37:32.610
<v Speaker 2>And Pete Hexeth doesn't seem to be offering any guarantees

764
00:37:32.670 --> 00:37:34.869
<v Speaker 2>these days. And I just want to point out that,

765
00:37:35.409 --> 00:37:38.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, Trump's devious mind, it may be wearing him down.

766
00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:42.159
<v Speaker 2>And this is why he can't stay awake during Oval

767
00:37:42.219 --> 00:37:43.659
<v Speaker 2>Office photo opportunities.

768
00:37:43.699 --> 00:37:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I think we have video.

769
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:48.559
<v Speaker 2>This happened again today, Olivia. And maybe you and I

770
00:37:48.579 --> 00:37:52.030
<v Speaker 2>haven't talked about this yet, you know, During the first administration,

771
00:37:52.170 --> 00:37:54.510
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember him falling asleep all the damn time.

772
00:37:54.670 --> 00:37:57.210
<v Speaker 1>But here he is again. He was surrounded by some

773
00:37:57.250 --> 00:37:59.590
<v Speaker 1>CEOs today. He's passed out.

774
00:37:59.630 --> 00:38:02.750
<v Speaker 2>He's asleep right there. President of the United States. And

775
00:38:02.869 --> 00:38:04.909
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's going on there, why he can't sleep.

776
00:38:04.929 --> 00:38:06.030
<v Speaker 2>This is happening.

777
00:38:05.849 --> 00:38:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Multiple days during the week. He's just out.

778
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:13.880
<v Speaker 2>And is it because he stays up all night cooking

779
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:17.139
<v Speaker 2>up all these cockamamie crazy ideas for meddling in the midterm?

780
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's part of it because he's on

781
00:38:19.460 --> 00:38:21.719
<v Speaker 1>Truth Social. posting crazy stuff.

782
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:26.699
<v Speaker 2>Um, but I mean, you know, this is, this is

783
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:29.880
<v Speaker 2>the guy that they're going to meddle in the midterms for,

784
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:32.820
<v Speaker 2>is he going to be awake to sign the, the, the, the,

785
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.159
<v Speaker 2>the pardons, you know, when it comes to pardoning, everybody

786
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:37.019
<v Speaker 2>is going to be awake enough to sign the pardons.

787
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:39.079
<v Speaker 1>They might want to check on that.

788
00:38:39.099 --> 00:38:41.150
<v Speaker 5>It depends on what time, if it's two o'clock in

789
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:44.909
<v Speaker 5>the morning and he's on true social, you know, writing

790
00:38:44.929 --> 00:38:47.980
<v Speaker 5>this post, Then maybe, or maybe if Natalie's, you know,

791
00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:50.800
<v Speaker 5>nearby and doing the work for him and she's the

792
00:38:50.900 --> 00:38:52.860
<v Speaker 5>one taking the notations perhaps, I don't know.

793
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:56.489
<v Speaker 3>But no, look, I don't remember him napping that much.

794
00:38:56.550 --> 00:38:59.269
<v Speaker 5>I mean, maybe nodding off a time or two.

795
00:38:59.329 --> 00:39:02.630
<v Speaker 3>I remember a lot of the cabinet nodding off during meetings.

796
00:39:02.650 --> 00:39:04.469
<v Speaker 3>That was always interesting to watch. I'm not going to

797
00:39:04.489 --> 00:39:05.110
<v Speaker 3>lie about that.

798
00:39:05.170 --> 00:39:07.630
<v Speaker 5>That was always like, we are in the situation room.

799
00:39:07.650 --> 00:39:10.110
<v Speaker 5>We're actually having a serious discussion, but please proceed with

800
00:39:10.130 --> 00:39:14.690
<v Speaker 5>your nap. So I just, you know, I think you

801
00:39:14.769 --> 00:39:15.130
<v Speaker 5>are right.

802
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:17.780
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know. It's because he's standing, staying

803
00:39:17.820 --> 00:39:18.420
<v Speaker 3>up all night.

804
00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:22.130
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't, she doesn't talk to me.

805
00:39:22.250 --> 00:39:24.170
<v Speaker 5>I have no idea what's going on in that head,

806
00:39:24.250 --> 00:39:28.010
<v Speaker 5>but yeah. Impressive to watch all the people around them though.

807
00:39:28.210 --> 00:39:29.969
<v Speaker 5>Just continue to act like this is perfectly.

808
00:39:30.050 --> 00:39:30.389
<v Speaker 2>Normal.

809
00:39:30.989 --> 00:39:34.179
<v Speaker 1>It's wild, right?

810
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:38.519
<v Speaker 2>It's total emperor has no clothes or, you know, has

811
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:42.000
<v Speaker 2>has no ability to stay awake, has no energy.

812
00:39:42.340 --> 00:39:43.000
<v Speaker 1>He's low T.

813
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.099
<v Speaker 2>It's maybe it's a low T for Donald Trump. That's

814
00:39:45.139 --> 00:39:47.289
<v Speaker 2>a lowercase T. It's a low T, not an upper T.

815
00:39:48.130 --> 00:39:51.570
<v Speaker 1>These days. But Olivia, I wanted.

816
00:39:51.369 --> 00:39:54.030
<v Speaker 2>To reach out to you when I saw this New

817
00:39:54.070 --> 00:39:55.739
<v Speaker 2>York Times story, and I know you've been working on

818
00:39:55.780 --> 00:39:59.239
<v Speaker 2>this story as well. I'm very concerned about these midterms,

819
00:39:59.340 --> 00:40:01.079
<v Speaker 2>very concerned about what they're up to.

820
00:40:01.579 --> 00:40:03.780
<v Speaker 1>We saw what happened in the 2020 election.

821
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:07.280
<v Speaker 2>I think he's made the determination if he can't win

822
00:40:07.300 --> 00:40:08.260
<v Speaker 2>the election, he's going.

823
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:12.380
<v Speaker 1>To steal the election. That's where his head is. Yeah.

824
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:14.989
<v Speaker 5>And look, I think the angrier he gets and the

825
00:40:15.030 --> 00:40:17.969
<v Speaker 5>closer we get to the elections, when he starts to

826
00:40:18.010 --> 00:40:21.269
<v Speaker 5>see what's happening and it starts to become more real,

827
00:40:22.030 --> 00:40:24.500
<v Speaker 5>that there is a potential for accountability to be coming

828
00:40:24.539 --> 00:40:27.860
<v Speaker 5>his way and oversight and that he is potentially going

829
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:29.579
<v Speaker 5>to lose a lot of the power that he has

830
00:40:29.619 --> 00:40:32.199
<v Speaker 5>right now. That is when you're going to see him

831
00:40:32.340 --> 00:40:35.300
<v Speaker 5>continue to go off the rails, lash out even more,

832
00:40:35.670 --> 00:40:38.909
<v Speaker 5>come up with some delusional crazy plans with a circle

833
00:40:38.949 --> 00:40:41.150
<v Speaker 5>of people that are going to figure out how to

834
00:40:41.210 --> 00:40:44.239
<v Speaker 5>do his bidding, because that's what we've seen. when it's

835
00:40:44.300 --> 00:40:46.340
<v Speaker 5>a circle of that he has right now of the

836
00:40:46.380 --> 00:40:48.880
<v Speaker 5>people that are willing to do it. And so, you know, I,

837
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:51.760
<v Speaker 5>I think you're, everyone should be paying attention.

838
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:52.059
<v Speaker 3>To the story.

839
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:56.559
<v Speaker 5>I mean, they should be watching every aspect of it,

840
00:40:56.639 --> 00:41:01.809
<v Speaker 5>watching what justifications are using for these investigations, watching, you know,

841
00:41:01.849 --> 00:41:06.190
<v Speaker 5>these numbers that they post when he goes on broadcast TV,

842
00:41:06.250 --> 00:41:07.889
<v Speaker 5>like he did that primetime.

843
00:41:07.409 --> 00:41:10.909
<v Speaker 3>Address and he was announcing, you know, thousands, all this fraud.

844
00:41:10.949 --> 00:41:16.420
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is all one big, coordinated, connective narrative,

845
00:41:16.539 --> 00:41:16.960
<v Speaker 3>I would say.

846
00:41:17.460 --> 00:41:19.280
<v Speaker 5>And that is the one thing that I will say

847
00:41:19.300 --> 00:41:24.239
<v Speaker 5>that unfortunately the Trump machine sometimes does well is you

848
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:27.000
<v Speaker 5>may think that it's chaotic at times, whatever, but there

849
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:30.789
<v Speaker 5>are people behind the scenes who are actually like threading

850
00:41:30.809 --> 00:41:32.949
<v Speaker 5>the needle and tying it together, right?

851
00:41:33.010 --> 00:41:34.809
<v Speaker 3>Trump is off his rocker. He's falling asleep.

852
00:41:34.869 --> 00:41:38.030
<v Speaker 5>And, you know, frankly, sure, taking cat naps in some

853
00:41:38.050 --> 00:41:41.190
<v Speaker 5>of the most important meetings before the world. But I

854
00:41:41.230 --> 00:41:45.070
<v Speaker 5>would say I am concerned about what is, the secretary

855
00:41:45.110 --> 00:41:46.449
<v Speaker 5>of DHS doing?

856
00:41:46.530 --> 00:41:47.989
<v Speaker 3>What is his strategy behind this?

857
00:41:48.070 --> 00:41:50.510
<v Speaker 5>What is Stephen Miller, who we know basically runs the department,

858
00:41:51.050 --> 00:41:52.960
<v Speaker 5>what is he doing behind the scenes? What are the

859
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:55.380
<v Speaker 5>people sitting in the policy office in the White House,

860
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:56.199
<v Speaker 5>people who are.

861
00:41:56.539 --> 00:41:59.400
<v Speaker 3>Concerned about what's to come in these midterms?

862
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:04.320
<v Speaker 5>I think that is, I would say, the strategy and

863
00:42:04.340 --> 00:42:07.579
<v Speaker 5>the coordination happening behind the scenes, and it's very concerning.

864
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:09.159
<v Speaker 1>Very concerning. Very concerning.

865
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:12.519
<v Speaker 2>And, you know, it seems that they'll lie about anything

866
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:14.579
<v Speaker 2>these days. And I'm going to talk about that.

867
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:15.059
<v Speaker 1>In a few moments.

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<v Speaker 2>But, Olivia, great to see you. Thanks for jumping on.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it was a last minute thing and really

870
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.090
<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. We had some technical problems with another guest,

871
00:42:23.110 --> 00:42:25.070
<v Speaker 2>but you're one of our favorites and one of our go-tos.

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00:42:25.130 --> 00:42:27.170
<v Speaker 2>So we always love to come to you whenever we can. Olivia,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for what you do each and

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00:42:30.010 --> 00:42:30.369
<v Speaker 2>every day.

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00:42:30.389 --> 00:42:33.030
<v Speaker 3>Thanks so much. See you all soon.

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00:42:33.619 --> 00:42:36.860
<v Speaker 1>See you soon. Yeah, see you real soon. And, you know,

877
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:38.739
<v Speaker 1>I was just mentioning a few moments ago.

878
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:43.940
<v Speaker 2>The lengths that these cabinet members, I mean, talk about shamelessness,

879
00:42:43.980 --> 00:42:50.519
<v Speaker 2>talk about spinelessness, talk about, you know, low T. Some

880
00:42:50.539 --> 00:42:54.480
<v Speaker 2>of these cabinet members are willing to do or say anything,

881
00:42:55.179 --> 00:42:58.480
<v Speaker 2>literally anything to kiss up to Donald Trump. And again,

882
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:00.500
<v Speaker 2>kiss up to a guy who can't, he can't stay awake.

883
00:43:01.059 --> 00:43:04.800
<v Speaker 2>He has these Oval Office photo opportunities and each and

884
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.469
<v Speaker 2>every time, almost every time he has one of these,

885
00:43:08.090 --> 00:43:10.840
<v Speaker 2>he can't stay awake through the whole damn thing Is

886
00:43:10.980 --> 00:43:12.059
<v Speaker 2>anybody going to talk about this?

887
00:43:12.099 --> 00:43:13.340
<v Speaker 1>I mean, first of all, that is the thing.

888
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:17.710
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, sleepy Joe Biden was never this sleepy,

889
00:43:17.829 --> 00:43:21.489
<v Speaker 2>even when he was sound asleep. He was never as

890
00:43:21.510 --> 00:43:22.789
<v Speaker 2>sleepy as Donald Trump.

891
00:43:22.530 --> 00:43:22.929
<v Speaker 1>Is right now.

892
00:43:23.289 --> 00:43:26.949
<v Speaker 2>But I will say the ability for the willingness that

893
00:43:26.989 --> 00:43:31.039
<v Speaker 2>some of these cabinet members have to just lie about

894
00:43:31.340 --> 00:43:36.059
<v Speaker 2>anything is remarkable. The Commerce Secretary, for example, thank God

895
00:43:36.099 --> 00:43:37.780
<v Speaker 2>he's not in charge or has anything to do with

896
00:43:37.820 --> 00:43:42.260
<v Speaker 2>our elections. But He was on Squawk Box on CNBC

897
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.119
<v Speaker 2>and was talking about Iran and trying to cool the

898
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.280
<v Speaker 2>temperature and say, you know, Iran's not that big of

899
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<v Speaker 2>a deal.

900
00:43:47.780 --> 00:43:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Don't worry.

901
00:43:48.409 --> 00:43:51.369
<v Speaker 1>Everything's fine. We got it under control. And then lied

902
00:43:51.949 --> 00:43:54.929
<v Speaker 1>about service member deaths, which is, it couldn't be worse.

903
00:43:54.949 --> 00:43:58.510
<v Speaker 6>The president is playing Iran, right? There's not, there haven't

904
00:43:58.530 --> 00:44:03.369
<v Speaker 6>been American deaths. It's really just an economic chokeout, which

905
00:44:03.449 --> 00:44:07.440
<v Speaker 6>the administration is now executing more broadly. And I think

906
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:08.719
<v Speaker 6>it'll be very effective.

907
00:44:08.780 --> 00:44:10.760
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, you heard it right there.

908
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.280
<v Speaker 2>There have not been any American deaths. There have been

909
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:17.780
<v Speaker 2>18 service members killed in this war. Thank goodness there

910
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:21.289
<v Speaker 2>have not been more. But for the 18 service members

911
00:44:21.369 --> 00:44:25.409
<v Speaker 2>out there, the Secretary of Commerce, Howard Lutnick, whose name has,

912
00:44:25.429 --> 00:44:28.449
<v Speaker 2>you know, the letters in his name has been, you know,

913
00:44:28.489 --> 00:44:31.750
<v Speaker 2>shifted around a little bit to maybe more accurately describe

914
00:44:31.929 --> 00:44:35.650
<v Speaker 2>who he is and what he's all about. To the

915
00:44:35.690 --> 00:44:37.760
<v Speaker 2>families of those service members, how disrespectful.

916
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:45.539
<v Speaker 1>How shameful. You're the secretary of commerce. Have you no shame?

917
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Have you no dignity? Have you no respect.

918
00:44:53.940 --> 00:44:57.960
<v Speaker 2>For the people who wear the uniform, who represent us

919
00:44:58.610 --> 00:45:01.909
<v Speaker 2>and put themselves in harm's way and make the ultimate sacrifice?

920
00:45:02.230 --> 00:45:04.010
<v Speaker 2>I just think it's one of the most despicable things

921
00:45:04.050 --> 00:45:05.769
<v Speaker 2>I've heard in a very long time. And I think

922
00:45:05.909 --> 00:45:09.750
<v Speaker 2>part of this is because The language that they speak

923
00:45:10.010 --> 00:45:13.130
<v Speaker 2>inside Trump world, the language that they speak inside this

924
00:45:13.170 --> 00:45:18.309
<v Speaker 2>Trump White House is one of dishonesty. They lie so

925
00:45:18.389 --> 00:45:22.690
<v Speaker 2>much that it's an uncontrollable pathological lying that goes on

926
00:45:22.969 --> 00:45:24.650
<v Speaker 2>and they can't seem to stop.

927
00:45:25.030 --> 00:45:28.769
<v Speaker 1>And it's all in service. It's all in service of

928
00:45:28.809 --> 00:45:31.929
<v Speaker 1>somebody who, as I was saying earlier in the program,

929
00:45:33.090 --> 00:45:36.309
<v Speaker 1>he's not obsessed with his vanity projects. He's obsessed with

930
00:45:36.369 --> 00:45:40.710
<v Speaker 1>his insanity projects. These are insanity projects. We now have

931
00:45:40.730 --> 00:45:41.650
<v Speaker 1>a Trump coin.

932
00:45:42.030 --> 00:45:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Ladies and gentlemen, the U S mint put this out

933
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:47.159
<v Speaker 2>today that there's a Trump coin. I guess we can

934
00:45:47.179 --> 00:45:50.760
<v Speaker 2>put this on screen. Look at this available for purchase today,

935
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:52.360
<v Speaker 2>a $.

936
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:55.159
<v Speaker 1>1 Trump coin. We don't need a Trump coin in

937
00:45:55.219 --> 00:45:59.559
<v Speaker 1>this country. Why would you want a Trump coin?

938
00:45:59.579 --> 00:46:01.719
<v Speaker 2>And as I saw some folks mentioning, you need more

939
00:46:01.739 --> 00:46:03.699
<v Speaker 2>of these coins now to get a gallon of gas.

940
00:46:04.860 --> 00:46:06.760
<v Speaker 2>But this is what's happening in our country right now.

941
00:46:07.059 --> 00:46:11.570
<v Speaker 2>He can't finish the war. He needs his commerce secretary

942
00:46:11.590 --> 00:46:13.650
<v Speaker 2>to go out there and lie about the war. He

943
00:46:13.710 --> 00:46:18.230
<v Speaker 2>can't get gas prices down. He can't get grocery prices down.

944
00:46:18.730 --> 00:46:21.809
<v Speaker 2>He can't solve this trade war with Canada. All he

945
00:46:21.829 --> 00:46:24.250
<v Speaker 2>can do is piss off the Canadians left and right.

946
00:46:25.389 --> 00:46:30.190
<v Speaker 2>And they're putting out a coin. They're tearing down statues

947
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:34.309
<v Speaker 2>over at the Kennedy Center. the blue statue over the Kennedy, they, they, they,

948
00:46:34.530 --> 00:46:37.809
<v Speaker 2>they're tearing that down for God knows what, are they

949
00:46:37.829 --> 00:46:39.969
<v Speaker 2>going to put a giant statue of Donald Trump over

950
00:46:39.989 --> 00:46:40.429
<v Speaker 2>at the Kennedy?

951
00:46:40.530 --> 00:46:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Is that what's happening? Is that what's happening?

952
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:47.900
<v Speaker 2>Is it maybe a giant statue of kid rock over

953
00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:49.360
<v Speaker 2>at the Kennedy center? Is that what we're going to

954
00:46:49.380 --> 00:46:52.000
<v Speaker 2>put up over at the Kennedy center? I mean, it's,

955
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:57.449
<v Speaker 2>it's getting out of control. These, these vanity projects. I mean, there's,

956
00:46:57.469 --> 00:47:01.030
<v Speaker 2>there's blue. This was a fixture over at.

957
00:47:01.030 --> 00:47:06.559
<v Speaker 1>The Kennedy center. They're tearing it down. Because why? Because

958
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.440
<v Speaker 1>they've totally mismanaged.

959
00:47:08.809 --> 00:47:12.789
<v Speaker 2>This sort of like, if you don't put his name

960
00:47:12.829 --> 00:47:14.469
<v Speaker 2>back on the Kennedy Center, we're going to tear down

961
00:47:14.510 --> 00:47:16.449
<v Speaker 2>the rest of it. Is that what this is? It's

962
00:47:16.469 --> 00:47:19.909
<v Speaker 2>to unsettle everybody? And I just have to say one

963
00:47:19.969 --> 00:47:24.679
<v Speaker 2>other thing before we go. You know, the way that

964
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:30.460
<v Speaker 2>the corporate CEOs and the gutless wonders in big business

965
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:32.449
<v Speaker 2>are are bending the knee to Donald Trump.

966
00:47:32.510 --> 00:47:35.489
<v Speaker 1>It's disgraceful. It's absolutely disgraceful.

967
00:47:36.230 --> 00:47:39.409
<v Speaker 2>Google the other day says that Lake Ontario is going

968
00:47:39.429 --> 00:47:40.239
<v Speaker 2>to be Lake America now.

969
00:47:40.250 --> 00:47:42.829
<v Speaker 1>It's on Google. Google Lake Ontario, you get Lake America.

970
00:47:43.269 --> 00:47:43.809
<v Speaker 1>Now it's.

971
00:47:45.510 --> 00:47:48.409
<v Speaker 2>Apple doing the exact same thing. They've done the exact

972
00:47:48.449 --> 00:47:52.550
<v Speaker 2>same thing. It's absolutely a disgrace. And I was talking

973
00:47:52.570 --> 00:47:55.849
<v Speaker 2>about this on my Instagram today. If you have the ability,

974
00:47:55.929 --> 00:48:00.989
<v Speaker 2>download MapQuest. I downloaded it today. And it absolutely works.

975
00:48:01.329 --> 00:48:03.909
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know it sounds very late 90s, early

976
00:48:04.329 --> 00:48:07.469
<v Speaker 2>2000s to have MapQuest. When did MapQuest come out? I

977
00:48:07.489 --> 00:48:10.389
<v Speaker 2>can't remember when MapQuest. I feel like it was the 2000s.

978
00:48:11.550 --> 00:48:16.260
<v Speaker 2>And MapQuest, now as we moved on to other things,

979
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:19.880
<v Speaker 2>I think what's old is new again. If Google and

980
00:48:19.980 --> 00:48:22.579
<v Speaker 2>Apple are going to bend the knee, and start calling

981
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:25.650
<v Speaker 2>this stuff Lake America, I'll use MapQuest. I went on

982
00:48:25.670 --> 00:48:31.269
<v Speaker 2>MapQuest today. It still says Lake Ontario. I'm using MapQuest, everybody. Listen,

983
00:48:31.349 --> 00:48:34.110
<v Speaker 2>appreciate everybody tuning in today. We had some technical gremlins,

984
00:48:34.150 --> 00:48:37.179
<v Speaker 2>had a guest fall through, but we got through it.

985
00:48:37.409 --> 00:48:40.239
<v Speaker 1>And we got the information out to you today.

986
00:48:40.260 --> 00:48:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I want to thank Liz Hoyer for joining us today,

987
00:48:42.019 --> 00:48:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Olivia Troy for jumping in last minute. I absolutely agree

988
00:48:46.500 --> 00:48:48.840
<v Speaker 2>with what Olivia Troy said a few moments ago before

989
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 2>we go. If you are, and I hope to God

990
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.940
<v Speaker 2>that you are going to vote in these upcoming midterms,

991
00:48:54.980 --> 00:48:57.239
<v Speaker 2>but if you have not made a plan to vote,

992
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:00.429
<v Speaker 2>you need to start right now to make a plan

993
00:49:00.489 --> 00:49:04.230
<v Speaker 2>to vote in the upcoming midterms. Our democracy is counting

994
00:49:04.349 --> 00:49:07.190
<v Speaker 2>on you. Our system of checks and balances that the

995
00:49:07.230 --> 00:49:09.309
<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court seems to have tossed by the wayside. They

996
00:49:09.329 --> 00:49:11.809
<v Speaker 2>don't seem to be interested in checks and balances anymore.

997
00:49:11.849 --> 00:49:14.070
<v Speaker 2>They think that a president can be a dictator in

998
00:49:14.110 --> 00:49:17.510
<v Speaker 2>this country. But all of this is going to be

999
00:49:17.670 --> 00:49:19.469
<v Speaker 2>on the line in the upcoming midterms, and it's going

1000
00:49:19.489 --> 00:49:20.159
<v Speaker 2>to count on your vote.

1001
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<v Speaker 1>So make a plan.

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00:49:20.940 --> 00:49:23.480
<v Speaker 2>If you live in a state where you're concerned about

1003
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:27.820
<v Speaker 2>the mail-in voting, go ahead and start making your plan

1004
00:49:27.860 --> 00:49:30.619
<v Speaker 2>to early vote or vote on the same day and

1005
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.199
<v Speaker 2>make that plan now because our democracy is counting on it.

1006
00:49:35.170 --> 00:49:37.670
<v Speaker 2>All of us are counting on you to make sure

1007
00:49:38.510 --> 00:49:40.349
<v Speaker 2>that we do our job and get this done. Make

1008
00:49:40.389 --> 00:49:45.269
<v Speaker 2>it your job this November to vote. Again, really appreciate

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00:49:45.349 --> 00:49:46.130
<v Speaker 2>our guests joining us today.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate all of you watching. Another quick reminder, our.

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