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<v Speaker 1>In the last episode of Wicked and Grim, we covered

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<v Speaker 1>episode one of Richard Wersey Junior aka White Boy Rick.

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<v Speaker 1>We discussed his recruitment and work with the FBI as

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<v Speaker 1>an undercover informant at the age of fourteen, and his

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<v Speaker 1>following years. Here is part two, and we will continue

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<v Speaker 1>Rick's story on how his story led to his own

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<v Speaker 1>arrest on drug related charges, as well as the results

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<v Speaker 1>of his trial and following years.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Warning the following podcasts and material intended for a mat

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<v Speaker 1>your audience listener discretion advies.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a terrible I did not enjoy that. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't enjoy a beard.

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<v Speaker 2>Start count how many times I've had to apologize on

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<v Speaker 2>here on your bef.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Wow, maybe we should count how many times I

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<v Speaker 1>comedically save your ass.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. We were literally right before this, like

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<v Speaker 2>both of us were just meh, just it's meh, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. But then as soon as these mics come

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<v Speaker 2>in front of us, we are just like nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>It's microphones right in front of you. It changes a person,

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<v Speaker 1>It really does. I don't know. It's like putting a

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<v Speaker 1>mask on, like when you're a kid and you put

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<v Speaker 1>on a Halloween mask, Like you're like different.

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<v Speaker 2>We're singing in the mic. We're doing like price check

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<v Speaker 2>on Prune Juice, Bob pace.

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<v Speaker 1>Check on Prune Juice, Bob price check on Prune Juice.

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<v Speaker 1>If you know that reference, I love you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, it's it's actually just ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite entertaining. Though.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're really curious on what we're like in person,

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<v Speaker 1>you can actually check on our YouTube where we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>vlog miss and failing horribly at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what, there's always next year, Well there is.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still going to keep pushing strong and keep doing

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<v Speaker 1>our thing. I'm hoping for at least well, if there's

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<v Speaker 1>like thirty days in the month, is it thirty days

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<v Speaker 1>in December? No, it's twenty eight thirty one. Is there

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one in December.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's like New Year's even stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, anyways, thirty one days in December. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're hoping to hit minimum fifteen vlogs in December.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we put out eight so far, if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not mistaken. So I think we're at about that par

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<v Speaker 1>so that's ish a little bit below. Okay, we're like

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<v Speaker 1>three four whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a pass.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we're aiming for.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually quite interesting trying to put a blog out

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<v Speaker 2>every day.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, especially living in a tiny home when we

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<v Speaker 1>have different schedules and most of our work involves us

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<v Speaker 1>just sitting on our laptops doing nothing all day. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes it for very terrible and uninteresting logs at times.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're going to be making it work here.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think this is also helpful for us making

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<v Speaker 2>a set schedule going forward that's like once a week

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, for sure, it is helpful. I also just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to give you guys a little hope you're doing well.

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<v Speaker 1>Tis the season for all the stress and depression, so

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully you're doing well. You're not alone out there, so

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<v Speaker 1>just keep on chugging along, Okay, hopefully you're doing awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>I also wanted to give a shout out to our

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<v Speaker 1>two patrons who signed up this month or this week sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're getting the exclusive episode at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the month, which is most likely going to be Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>deemed so. Yeah, veig get that we have love this

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, Robert Jones, the omnis nipotent who signed up,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lylah.

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<v Speaker 2>Waalburn right on, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for joining our Patreon crew. You guys are

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<v Speaker 2>You're ready, I'm ready. I mean you've made us wait

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<v Speaker 2>a long time for this. A week A week, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>an eternity, an.

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<v Speaker 1>Eternity, seven days, as the girl in the ring says. No,

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<v Speaker 1>she doesn't actually say it, but the tape does. God no,

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<v Speaker 1>because she calls and seven days. That's right, No, so

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<v Speaker 1>she does say it. So Mary is.

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<v Speaker 2>Smart creepy shit right there? Why did you just bring

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<v Speaker 2>that up?

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<v Speaker 1>Because seven days that's why. Okay, Anyway, my ADHD took

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<v Speaker 1>me down a path and I just went with it.

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<v Speaker 2>You sure did.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, I'll give us a quick little recap. So last

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<v Speaker 1>week left off Rick was recruited by the FBI to

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<v Speaker 1>infiltrate a drug operation and gang to feed information into

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<v Speaker 1>the authorities. While he was at the age of fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>years old he with him, and he did as he

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<v Speaker 1>was asked for a few years, being responsible for many

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<v Speaker 1>rests and convictions as a result of his work. However,

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<v Speaker 1>one day the authority stopped working with Rick, and Rick,

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<v Speaker 1>being the young kid that he still was, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>what he was, a kid, I believe sixteen at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>just kept doing the gang life and the whole drug

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<v Speaker 1>selling gig. Then he got stopped in a traffic stop

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<v Speaker 1>and was now being arrested for drug possession. However, they

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<v Speaker 1>said he didn't have any drugs on at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but they said he fled the scene and stashed eight

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<v Speaker 1>kilograms of cocaine under a porch in the neighborhood nearby,

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<v Speaker 1>which was found a few hours later. And Rick claims

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<v Speaker 1>that this was a setup, and that's where we left off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, it's a wild story.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is, and it only gets to be more

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<v Speaker 1>of a slippery slope as we continue the Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so reach down, buckle up those seat belts, make sure

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<v Speaker 1>they're sinched up nice and tikes. You don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>go flying out of your seat on this story. Sit tight,

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<v Speaker 1>and here we go. It was in January of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty eight when Rick Worshey Junior stepped into the Frank

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<v Speaker 1>Murphy Hall of Justice in downtown Detroit accompanied by his parents.

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<v Speaker 1>His mother was wearing oversized sunglasses sunglasses sorry, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lavish fur coat. His father was there as well, with

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<v Speaker 1>a gray trench coat as he walked by his side.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick himself wore a double breasted suit and pleated pants

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<v Speaker 1>complimented by nice alligator skinned loafers as he walked into

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<v Speaker 1>the courtroom. Oh wow, so they were looking good, they

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<v Speaker 1>were now. Among Rick's legal representatives was a William Buffalino

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<v Speaker 1>the Second, who was a short, stout man known for

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<v Speaker 1>his courtroom flare if you would. Notably, Buffalino hailed from

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<v Speaker 1>a family with gleas ties to organized crime alleged, which

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<v Speaker 1>added an intriguing element to the unfolding drama. Now Buffalo

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<v Speaker 1>or Buffalino sorry, had orchestrated a lot of attention around

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<v Speaker 1>Rick's case regarding perceived violations of their constitutional right and

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<v Speaker 1>as such, along with the infamy now of the manned

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper we're calling quote white boy Rick, the trial drew

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<v Speaker 1>a considerable audience, including representatives from media such as from

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<v Speaker 1>sixty Minutes. Oh okay, yep. So the camera crew from

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<v Speaker 1>those guys were there, as well as supporters of Rick

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<v Speaker 1>and individuals associated with the drug trade.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so they kind of have like an invested interest, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the latter actually were so notorious that even

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<v Speaker 1>the attending journalists in the courtroom could easily identify these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh, that's this ringleader dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa. Yeah, that's a little bit unsettling, really, I mean, they.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of is. But it's not like it's a courtroom.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like shit's going to go down, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I could only imagine how high the tensions in that

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<v Speaker 1>courtroom would be. Yeah, Like, you have notable individuals who

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<v Speaker 1>are committing I'm assuming several quite hefty crimes, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have several authorities who are after in committing or sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>condemning many of the friends of such people and the like.

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<v Speaker 1>Is probably causing a lot of tension.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean I can't imagine it'd be a

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<v Speaker 2>very good vibe sitting in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine many courtrooms are a very good vibe.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, that's very true.

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<v Speaker 1>So during the trial, Rick was quite optimistic and he

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<v Speaker 1>had reason to be. The neighbors who had reported the

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<v Speaker 1>discovery of the eight kilogram package of cocaine that was

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<v Speaker 1>found beneath their porch. They claimed that Rick had approached

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<v Speaker 1>their backyard and was carrying the cardboard box. However, there

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<v Speaker 1>existed zero tangible evidence linking Rick to the box. No fingerprints,

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<v Speaker 1>no DNA, no video footage or photographs. Nothing. Okay, it

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<v Speaker 1>was going solely on a claim a witness claim. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>one of Rick's legal representatives posted the theory that the

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<v Speaker 1>police had planted the drugs to conceal the alleged beating

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<v Speaker 1>that had endured a Rick. So defense witness asserted that

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<v Speaker 1>during the altercation the traffic stop and he was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly being arrested for drugs, and the tussle occurred and

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<v Speaker 1>he ran Allegedly during that tussle, a police officer actually

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<v Speaker 1>struck him with his pistol, so literally pistol whipping Rick

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<v Speaker 1>in this incident. And so this was actually a way

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<v Speaker 1>of giving them reason for the force that was used.

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<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't like excessive force because it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy like trying to run with a bunch of drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know what like a force the ground sort

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. But he didn't have anything when he was

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<v Speaker 2>running away, correct, correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I mean there's nothing saying that he did, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing saying that he didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean what they found in his car was cash,

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<v Speaker 1>but they never said, well, he ran off with an

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<v Speaker 1>eight kilogram box of cocaine. But they're all like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he must have had it on him, we just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know or didn't see.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. I feel like that would be something notable that

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<v Speaker 2>you would remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine it's like, oh, what's that guy running

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<v Speaker 1>away with a brick of cocaine? Yeah, it looks it's

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, it's simple as that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, even though even if he was just carrying

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<v Speaker 2>a box, like say it was sealed, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>you would just recall that because you would be like, shit,

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<v Speaker 2>what's in the box? And you wonder, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean you're stopped and you're a known dealer at this time, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So you're stopped and there's a giant water cap that

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<v Speaker 1>the police officers have found, and then you suddenly just

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<v Speaker 1>run off with a box. I wonder what's in there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, But there's no such thing any box or

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<v Speaker 1>any drugs or anything other than cash being present at

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<v Speaker 1>that traffic stop in his vehicle at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so yeah, because he had just dropped them all off.

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<v Speaker 2>Two right, I'm trying to Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he had already done the transaction.

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<v Speaker 2>Hence the cash.

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<v Speaker 1>The cash.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So during the closing statement, the attorney emphasized the multitude

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<v Speaker 1>of falsehoods and flaws in the state's case, urging that

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<v Speaker 1>the audience would reject this idea, declaring quote, it repels

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<v Speaker 1>no way, no way. Now something that I did actually

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<v Speaker 1>to this day that he was set up. Technically that's false,

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<v Speaker 1>because I did find some new information that Rick actually

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<v Speaker 1>It was part of the shipment that came in that

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<v Speaker 1>so Rick did is still maintaining that he did not

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<v Speaker 1>another individual who Yeah, he still is responsible for the cocaine,

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<v Speaker 1>but another individual who actually held it and stashed it.

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<v Speaker 1>He technically should not be getting arrest for possession because

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<v Speaker 2>He knew of it kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He knew of it. It was his, but he did

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<v Speaker 1>ession of alleged possession. So I do want to remind

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<v Speaker 1>that he is a gang member. We know that. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like he is being arrested just blatantly out

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<v Speaker 1>of nothing. There are reasons technically, though, the arrest was

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<v Speaker 1>to this day that he did not stash it himself

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<v Speaker 1>the arrest occurred. So okay. Nevertheless, the defense team managed

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<v Speaker 1>to inject uncertainty into Rick's case over said eight kilograms

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<v Speaker 1>of cocaine over four days of deliberation the jury twice

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<v Speaker 1>notified the judge of their deadlock, but they were unable

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<v Speaker 1>to a verdict. Throughout this period, Rick remained confident. His

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<v Speaker 1>so sure of themselves they didn't even think they'd be going.

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<v Speaker 2>To trial, Okay, So the fact that they were even

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<v Speaker 1>So Rick remained confident, you know, even joking around with

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I could act like that if I was

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done, terrified. I would have no fingernails left. I

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<v Speaker 1>would be like chewing them to the bone, guaranteed.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. I thought I was going through a roadblock the

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<v Speaker 2>other night, and I wasn't. I hadn't even been drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thriving people who had been drinking, and I

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<v Speaker 1>In no situations, it's almost like, that's when you're questioning yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>do I have eight kilograms of cocaine in my car?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it's just so weird because yeah, I had

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<v Speaker 2>done literally nothing wrong, but I was just like panicking. Amo.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the stress, the situation. But yeah, Rick was remaining confident.

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<v Speaker 1>He was reassured by his defense team there's nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>be concerned about. They got this. And then finally the

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<v Speaker 1>long awaited verdict finally came in. Rick Worshe Junior was

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<v Speaker 1>with an expressionless demeanor, not knowing what to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit.

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<v Speaker 1>So the following sentencing hearing was held three weeks later,

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<v Speaker 1>and it seemed like it was a mere formality because

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<v Speaker 1>as possession of over six hundred and fifty grams, it

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<v Speaker 1>mandates a life sentence by the state under the law

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<v Speaker 1>of the six fifty lifer law. Oh my gosh, a

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<v Speaker 1>sentence that was very quickly handed to Rick, who I

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<v Speaker 1>want to remind you is seventeen a minor.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And I wonder, I just this kind of just

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<v Speaker 2>like dawned on me. I wonder if he was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of so calm because he was thinking, had I word

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<v Speaker 2>this that at some point like okay, like the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>is going to come and help me or whatever. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of like put me back in the day

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<v Speaker 2>in this situation, like something's going to help me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's potential.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So the judge during the sentencing took note of the

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<v Speaker 1>other youth in the courtroom who were adorned with quote,

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<v Speaker 1>gold chains and dress that is common to the drug trade.

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<v Speaker 1>He ominously kind of predicted that they would survive the

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<v Speaker 1>perils associated with the lifestyle, the drug trade, the gang life,

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<v Speaker 1>basically saying that, yeah, you guys are one day going

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<v Speaker 1>don't smart enough, if you keep this act going, Look

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening to your friend sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So, even though he was a minor, he was still

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<v Speaker 2>kind of tried, like got a full sentence correct, So

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<v Speaker 2>it almost seems like they're using Rick is like an.

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<v Speaker 1>Example potentially, but even still, you shouldn't be able to

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<v Speaker 1>do that to a minor. No, but they still tried

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<v Speaker 1>him as an adult even though he's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh and a miner with like his history did like

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<v Speaker 2>the courtroom and the judge and the jury know of

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<v Speaker 2>this FBI history or had that not? Really? Am I

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<v Speaker 2>getting ahead of myself here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to touch on that here soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So, during the jury's deliberation in Rick Junior's trial, because

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<v Speaker 1>remember his father is Rick Senior, So Rick Senior actually

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<v Speaker 1>had a confrontation with a member of the authorities in

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<v Speaker 1>the hallway outside the courtroom. He allegedly warned the individual quote,

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<v Speaker 1>you better not sleep too well, which swiftly led to

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<v Speaker 1>his arrest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So he faced charges of threatening an officer and to

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<v Speaker 1>add to the lists possessing illegal silencers which were discovered

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<v Speaker 1>in one of the raids of his home. If you

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<v Speaker 1>call in part one, Rick Senior was involved with the

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<v Speaker 1>illegal arms dealing, so his threat to an officer was

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<v Speaker 1>taken even that much more seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>From his cell in Wayne County Jail, Rick Senior granted

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<v Speaker 1>interviews to several reporters in the weeks following his son's conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>In each conversation, he told a story that seemed almost

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievable to anyone who heard it. Any of the reporters.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Senior began telling everyone about how both he and

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<v Speaker 1>his son had served as informants for the FBI quote.

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<v Speaker 1>They used me and they used my son. He asserted

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<v Speaker 1>that they both had taken significant risk to assist authorities

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<v Speaker 1>in gathering crucial evidence of drug dealings on the East Side,

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<v Speaker 1>and to quote him again, and now they turned round

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<v Speaker 1>and fuck us over.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm, Kim, I'm kind of glad that he's not

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<v Speaker 2>keeping quiet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, he's he's actually speaking out. And this claim

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<v Speaker 1>that he'd actually been colaboring with the FBI was a

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<v Speaker 1>perplexing claim to many, and it kind of like shook

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<v Speaker 1>the world essentially when it came out, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>to those who were involved with listening or following the

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<v Speaker 1>story in any sort Basically, like, if this were true,

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<v Speaker 1>why hadn't the defense team, like you had mentioned, bring

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<v Speaker 1>this up during the trial. Well, reportedly, Rick Junior's attorneys

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<v Speaker 1>made an agreement to not admit any pre trial evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>which would include omitting any information regarding him working with

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI or police as an informant while infiltrating the gangs.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, why sorry, I don't know. Okay, I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like if that was mentioned, it could have gone

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<v Speaker 2>a lot differently.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps, Oh, I mean like this, honestly, it makes things

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<v Speaker 1>a lot worse. The news had been painting White quote

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<v Speaker 1>white boy Rick as a drug king pen basically a

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous man who's like running rampant on the streets of Detroit,

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<v Speaker 1>even being responsible for the disappearance of individuals, hencing potential

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<v Speaker 1>murders at his hand, being a leader of hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>murders within his gang, most of which was not true

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<v Speaker 1>at all. He sold drugs, yes, but was certainly not

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<v Speaker 1>a kingpin by any means, and anything else was literally

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<v Speaker 1>a flat out lie. Years later, on a parole hearing,

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<v Speaker 1>he would actually the court would actually touch on this

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing, and they looked at a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>news articles and papers that were written about him at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. They found that over half of them were

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<v Speaker 1>proven to be falsified stories with zero evidence to stand on.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, Rick stood in front of a jury that

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<v Speaker 1>knew absolutely nothing of his work with authorities or how

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<v Speaker 1>he became an informant. But they did know about the

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<v Speaker 1>miss white Boy Rick because of all the news articles

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<v Speaker 1>out there and the falsified stories that were being published

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<v Speaker 1>in the public newspaper outside the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, this is this is a mess.

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<v Speaker 1>So all they knew is that this quote white boy

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<v Speaker 1>Rick was a drug kingpin, responsible for people's murders potentially

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<v Speaker 1>and is now found with eighty kilograms of cocaine in

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<v Speaker 1>his possession. Eighty eight or sorry, he's eight kilograms? Was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oly shit, no not eighty eight Wow? Yeah, to Rick

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<v Speaker 1>to quote him, he feels the attorneys quote tanked his case. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there is some this would be like a multi episode

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<v Speaker 1>if we kind of go into this, but there is

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<v Speaker 1>some thought into potential was it tanked on purpose and

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<v Speaker 1>some political stuff with his attorneys, but that it's a

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<v Speaker 1>whole spider web, so I'm not going to get into that,

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<v Speaker 1>but there is a potential that they tanked it on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>But Rick does feel his attorneys to tank the case,

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<v Speaker 1>whether purposely or not, We're not going to touch on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I just have to just say that's not

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<v Speaker 2>potentially far fetched with everything else that's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not. It's not I mean, like, how could you

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<v Speaker 1>not say, how could you make an agreement on your

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<v Speaker 1>on your the person you're representing a defense team that

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to bring up the whole history on

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<v Speaker 1>why you're holding drugs in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. It doesn't because yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you almost think was were they paid off?

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<v Speaker 2>It's potentially right, like how much were they making?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Now, So, when asked about Rix's involvement as an informant,

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI, adhering to their agency policy, never confirmed nor

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<v Speaker 1>denied any relationship with either Rix Senior or Junior. Now

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, Rick Senior identified an FBI agent named

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<v Speaker 1>James Dixon as the handler for the two of them,

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<v Speaker 1>but when questioned about it shortly after the trial, Dixon

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<v Speaker 1>declined to comment on the matter whatsoever, basically stating that

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<v Speaker 1>any suggestion of betrayal by the law was quote ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Dixon resigned that same year and remained silent on the

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<v Speaker 1>case thereafter. However, today he resides in a Detroit suburb

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<v Speaker 1>and was tracked down after retirement. Initially, he spoke very

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<v Speaker 1>cautiously when being interviewed and spoken to about this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Any casually mentioned working with uninformant without disclosing a name.

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<v Speaker 1>When asked directly if that informant was Richard Worshe, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a prolonged pause followed by yes.

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<v Speaker 2>No shit, yes, wow, oh okay, that just made my

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So not only is it confirmed and there are

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<v Speaker 1>apparently documentation out there with the Worsh's names on it

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<v Speaker 1>regarding the FBI federal documentation, but now we actually have

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<v Speaker 1>admittance of it, and none of it was brought up

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<v Speaker 1>in trial. When questioned about it around the trial, even

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<v Speaker 1>outside the courtroom, no one would confirm or deny or

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<v Speaker 1>say anything. I'm pretty sure all of that information, even

425
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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of it, would have been very and

426
00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:42.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean very impactful on this case. However, it was

427
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:48.240
<v Speaker 1>just tossed aside. And Rick Junior, seventeen years old, while

428
00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:52.880
<v Speaker 1>standing trial and being convicted, is taking the brunt of

429
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<v Speaker 1>it all.

430
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<v Speaker 2>Hm, this is just such a bizarre story.

431
00:24:58.920 --> 00:24:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Well it gets a little worse.

432
00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Are you serious? I don't understand how.

433
00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:05.880
<v Speaker 1>It could well see the law regarding life to those

434
00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:08.480
<v Speaker 1>who were charged with possession over six hundred and fifty grams,

435
00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:13.319
<v Speaker 1>remember that, the lifer law. Yeah, it was eventually overturned

436
00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:17.880
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and three. But Rick, however, was rejected

437
00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:21.319
<v Speaker 1>to a new hearing or parole because he was apparently

438
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:25.079
<v Speaker 1>labeled as a menace to society by the Michigan Parole Board.

439
00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:33.160
<v Speaker 1>So even though that law that stated he needs to

440
00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:37.200
<v Speaker 1>get life was overruled and gone out the window. He

441
00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:39.680
<v Speaker 1>still had to serve life.

442
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:44.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, this is almost just terrifying this case,

443
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:49.160
<v Speaker 2>because it's just it seems like so many opportunities or

444
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:54.279
<v Speaker 2>chances to be heard just get rejected. Yeah, and it

445
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:55.359
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any sense.

446
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I want to know something even more crazy.

447
00:25:57.119 --> 00:25:59.480
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm actually my mind's already blown.

448
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Well perhaps because of this, but anyways, he see this

449
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:10.640
<v Speaker 1>is this is difficult to say because it sucks. He

450
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:14.519
<v Speaker 1>assisted the FBI again in the nineteen nineties while behind

451
00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:18.759
<v Speaker 1>bars with a sting operation. Why so Rick juniors help

452
00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:22.480
<v Speaker 1>being convicted and he's helping the FBI once again.

453
00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:23.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm sued.

454
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:25.799
<v Speaker 1>Now. The FBI they went to see him, they asked

455
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 1>for help, and they told him they couldn't get him

456
00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:31.160
<v Speaker 1>out of jail, but they did say that if you

457
00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:34.000
<v Speaker 1>help us with this, we could potentially get you out

458
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:36.880
<v Speaker 1>of jail and into an FBI custody like a Witness

459
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:40.240
<v Speaker 1>Protection program facility. So you're still like in a housing

460
00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:43.839
<v Speaker 1>and everything, still technically in prison, but at least you're

461
00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 1>out of jail in a housing situation instead. And they

462
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:52.000
<v Speaker 1>also said in your parole, we can like stand trial

463
00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:54.240
<v Speaker 1>and speak for you as well in a parole hearing.

464
00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, please tell me they delivered this for him.

465
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:05.920
<v Speaker 1>So the operation was known as Operation Backbone, and that

466
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:08.960
<v Speaker 1>again could be a whole other episode all on its own,

467
00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:13.839
<v Speaker 1>and it kind of ties back to the individuals who

468
00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:18.240
<v Speaker 1>represented Rick Junior in the court his defendants. But Operation

469
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.799
<v Speaker 1>back Bone was targeting crooked cops and officials and political

470
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:28.240
<v Speaker 1>figures and was unfortunately an unsuccessful operation. Now I did

471
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:34.480
<v Speaker 1>get word of him being in some sort of facility,

472
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.559
<v Speaker 1>but I couldn't really pin down when it occurred. If

473
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:42.200
<v Speaker 1>he was taken into FBI custody and a protection program

474
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.039
<v Speaker 1>for like a year six months, when I have zero idea,

475
00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:47.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if it's true. But I did

476
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:50.319
<v Speaker 1>read that somewhere that he was in a protection program

477
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:55.720
<v Speaker 1>at some point. However, everything else just says he was

478
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:58.640
<v Speaker 1>behind bars, he was in prison. So I'm going to

479
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:00.799
<v Speaker 1>go with the point that he never did get into

480
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:05.359
<v Speaker 1>FBI protection and he stayed in prison the entire time.

481
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

482
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the operation was unsuccessful. The targeted man by

483
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:18.319
<v Speaker 1>the name of Gil Hill and other influential city politicians

484
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.319
<v Speaker 1>just kind of they weren't able to do anything. So

485
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:23.839
<v Speaker 1>despite his efforts, he was labeled as a menace still

486
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:27.759
<v Speaker 1>and was still too dangerous and did not get a

487
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:30.519
<v Speaker 1>rehearing to lose the life sentence.

488
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:34.839
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting though, just because the operation wasn't successful, he

489
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:36.400
<v Speaker 2>doesn't get shit that's promised.

490
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:40.039
<v Speaker 1>No, it's not that that. It's not that it's because

491
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:44.960
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't successful. It's potentially because it wasn't successful that

492
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.519
<v Speaker 1>he didn't get a The courtroom didn't look better on him.

493
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:50.599
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like, oh, sure you help the FBI,

494
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.160
<v Speaker 1>but for what nothing happened. You know, he was labeled

495
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.440
<v Speaker 1>as a menace to society sort of thing. So he

496
00:28:55.480 --> 00:29:00.000
<v Speaker 1>wasn't granted a rehearing after that lifer law was overturned. Right,

497
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:04.759
<v Speaker 1>So maybe if he helped the FBI and it was successful,

498
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:06.519
<v Speaker 1>maybe they wouldn't have looked at him as a quote

499
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.119
<v Speaker 1>menace to society and would have given him a retrial.

500
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:13.160
<v Speaker 2>And this menace thing is bothersome to me because, like

501
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.319
<v Speaker 2>we've talked a lot of times on here about how

502
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.319
<v Speaker 2>rehabilitation is possible, isn't possible kind of thing. But I

503
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:22.640
<v Speaker 2>feel like with how young he was, I do feel

504
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.880
<v Speaker 2>like it's more so possible, oh definitely right that he

505
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:29.480
<v Speaker 2>could think he could really have get an change his

506
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:33.119
<v Speaker 2>life right for the better. And I don't know.

507
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, And not only that, he was a model inmate,

508
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.839
<v Speaker 1>he had not a single infraction on his record seriously

509
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:42.880
<v Speaker 1>the entire time. Well he did have one, which we

510
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:45.720
<v Speaker 1>will touch here later. He had one infraction well behind

511
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:49.799
<v Speaker 1>bars his entire prison career. He had won wow. But

512
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:53.799
<v Speaker 1>he was a model inmate the entire time otherwise, and

513
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:57.759
<v Speaker 1>he was non violent. He just had drugs on him,

514
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>which apparently he technically didn't even And I feel like.

515
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>If anyone should be a pain in the ass and

516
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:05.559
<v Speaker 2>in prison, it would be him, because I would just

517
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:06.319
<v Speaker 2>be like pissed.

518
00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Probably. Now another detail that's really important to talk about.

519
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:13.480
<v Speaker 1>In Michigan, each person is supposed to have an opportunity

520
00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:17.799
<v Speaker 1>for parole once every five years, Okay. However, for some

521
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>unknown reason, Rick was denied that right. He was given

522
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:26.640
<v Speaker 1>a single parole hearing. Ever the entire time he was

523
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:34.599
<v Speaker 1>behind bars. So in twenty seventeen, extensive publicity surrounding Rick

524
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Worshey Junior's case, who was, as I already mentioned, a

525
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.359
<v Speaker 1>nonviolent drug offender for a crime he committed at the

526
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:46.480
<v Speaker 1>age of seventeen, led to him finally receiving a parole

527
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:49.359
<v Speaker 1>hearing after a total of twenty eight years behind bars.

528
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

529
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:56.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let that soak in.

530
00:30:57.279 --> 00:30:59.599
<v Speaker 2>What the actual fuck is happening?

531
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Non violent crime a youth. The law that puts you

532
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:09.319
<v Speaker 1>in there for that long was overturned. You have the

533
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:13.599
<v Speaker 1>right to a parole hearing every five years. However, here

534
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:17.920
<v Speaker 1>we are twenty eight years later for a youth first

535
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:21.720
<v Speaker 1>parole hearing. Non violent again. Remember, I think that's very

536
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:23.359
<v Speaker 1>important to say.

537
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:25.240
<v Speaker 2>You know. I just feel like if I was him,

538
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:29.279
<v Speaker 2>I would be like almost lighting that place on fire.

539
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.359
<v Speaker 2>I would just be I as much of a pain

540
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:35.480
<v Speaker 2>in the ass as I could be, I think, because fuck,

541
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:36.599
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't change anything.

542
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean I can't condone Arson, but I

543
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:42.000
<v Speaker 1>understand your sentiment that I know what you mean.

544
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:44.920
<v Speaker 2>That was such a statement physically actually do it, but

545
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:45.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah.

546
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was just fucking but yeah, no, I would

547
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:51.759
<v Speaker 1>be livid as well. So he spent twenty eight years

548
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>in jail was finally out on parole. However, his release

549
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:58.599
<v Speaker 1>did not bring freedom, as he was immediately taken into

550
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>custody by the US Marshals to serve another five year

551
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:05.519
<v Speaker 1>sentence in Florida State Prison. This was for a two

552
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:09.319
<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight conviction related to car theft ring while

553
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>he was behind bars. As I said, he did have

554
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>one infraction on his resume, if you will, of a

555
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.799
<v Speaker 1>model inmate. So Rick committed this crime behind bars. He

556
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>had purchased a stolen car through some of his connections

557
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>for his mom and sister. Authorities found out about it

558
00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:29.519
<v Speaker 1>and threatened to pursue legal action on his mom and

559
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:32.640
<v Speaker 1>sister if he did not seek a plea bargain in court.

560
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:35.759
<v Speaker 1>So he did, and as a result, was sentenced to

561
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:37.440
<v Speaker 1>an additional five years in prison.

562
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

563
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:47.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, despite his application for leniency or essentially like mercy,

564
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>he was denied and went back to jail.

565
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:53.599
<v Speaker 2>And that's where he is right now.

566
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:58.880
<v Speaker 1>He completed his sentence with credits for good behavior and

567
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.359
<v Speaker 1>was released from cuts in Florida on July twentieth of

568
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:05.039
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, just in time for COVID when he had

569
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:05.920
<v Speaker 1>to get locked down.

570
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:11.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, right, oh okay.

571
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:16.319
<v Speaker 1>In July of twenty twenty one, a year after his release,

572
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:20.400
<v Speaker 1>a year out of jail. Rick took legal action against

573
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>the FBI, asserting that his lawsuit. Asserting in his lawsuit

574
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:28.160
<v Speaker 1>that the involvement as an informant for the task force

575
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:34.160
<v Speaker 1>completely compelled him into the world of drugs, gangs, and criminality.

576
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.880
<v Speaker 1>He contended that the FBI's actions amounted to child abuse,

577
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with that.

578
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:48.559
<v Speaker 2>However, how you're however's however, throw a coaster at your face?

579
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Wow, thank you.

580
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:51.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm pissed over here.

581
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Wow, I'm going to try and protect myself on Nicole's

582
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.759
<v Speaker 1>probably throwing stuff at me. But however, a federal judge

583
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>did dismissed his one hundred million dollar lawsuit against the

584
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:10.119
<v Speaker 1>FBI and Detroit Police, ruling not that his claims were false,

585
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:14.280
<v Speaker 1>but that he had waited too long to sue over

586
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:18.679
<v Speaker 1>his alleged distress and misfortune resulting from cooperating with the government.

587
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.800
<v Speaker 1>He waited too fucking long to sue the man that

588
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>they held behind bars since he was a fucking child

589
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:28.559
<v Speaker 1>who couldn't even get a parole.

590
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Hearing this case is just something, isn't it. I cannot

591
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:39.559
<v Speaker 2>believe this. It just keeps getting worse and worse. It's

592
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:43.840
<v Speaker 2>like the shit just keeps piling on. Yeah, I don't

593
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:44.639
<v Speaker 2>even know what to say.

594
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Your eyes are the size of those coasters right now,

595
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:47.239
<v Speaker 1>they are.

596
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm just shocked. I don't know if I've actually been

597
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:53.039
<v Speaker 2>this shocked over a case. I mean, like, we've covered

598
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:54.920
<v Speaker 2>so many that are shocking, but this is just like

599
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 2>jaw dropping.

600
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:03.039
<v Speaker 1>It is he was a figure for authorities and then

601
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:08.639
<v Speaker 1>they pinned all this on him. Why. I don't know.

602
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, they're backpedaling because they realized they fucked up.

603
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how bad would it have looked that they got

604
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:18.599
<v Speaker 1>this kid shot when he was like what fifteen or sixteen?

605
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.239
<v Speaker 1>How bad would it look that they ruined this kid's lives? Oh,

606
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:24.079
<v Speaker 1>they realized this is child abuse?

607
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Shit. M hm.

608
00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:31.360
<v Speaker 1>So this potentially could be a whole cover up. Potentially maybe,

609
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:35.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, honestly, there is documents saying he worked with

610
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:38.679
<v Speaker 1>the FBI. There is admission that he worked with the

611
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:42.840
<v Speaker 1>FBI as an informant, but to what extent though a

612
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of this is coming from Rick's story, Rick's side,

613
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Rick's dad.

614
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:49.199
<v Speaker 2>There's always two sides to the story.

615
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:52.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess some of it might be being embellished, But

616
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:55.880
<v Speaker 1>as far as we know, the FBI is not denying

617
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:56.320
<v Speaker 1>any of it.

618
00:35:57.639 --> 00:35:59.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the whole would cover up and everything.

619
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:03.039
<v Speaker 2>It's shot, but it's not shocking, do you know what

620
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:03.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean?

621
00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:07.199
<v Speaker 1>I know what you mean. Yeah. So Rick, at the

622
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.639
<v Speaker 1>age of seventeen, was convicted and spent over three decades

623
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:13.639
<v Speaker 1>behind bars. And while behind bars, he had no one.

624
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:18.639
<v Speaker 1>He was fighting the literal government and FBI. Rightfully, he

625
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:22.039
<v Speaker 1>expressed fears of retaliation if he spoke out against powerful

626
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.639
<v Speaker 1>figures who claimed and pressured him into becoming an informant

627
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:30.920
<v Speaker 1>as a kid. So how could he really know that

628
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>he could even sue? He had no one behind bars?

629
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.320
<v Speaker 2>And because too, in a situation like that, you wouldn't

630
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.199
<v Speaker 2>really be able to protect yourself no, right if someone

631
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.960
<v Speaker 2>did want to do something to.

632
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:46.639
<v Speaker 1>You, you're at the whim of authorities. I mean, technically speaking,

633
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:49.440
<v Speaker 1>we always are, but much more of a watchful eye

634
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:53.159
<v Speaker 1>at that point. So if he's going to be behind

635
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:57.400
<v Speaker 1>bars and sue them, you think that's gonna fucking work?

636
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I could, you could, honestly, just with all the

637
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.119
<v Speaker 2>shit going down, like I could see him getting killed.

638
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And how could he have even really had a

639
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:11.239
<v Speaker 1>lawsuit behind bars? He's going to have he's not going

640
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.800
<v Speaker 1>to be able to find someone to defend him. He's

641
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:17.480
<v Speaker 1>going to be given a defendant, given a defendant by

642
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:21.199
<v Speaker 1>who the authorities he's trying to sue. You think he's

643
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:22.079
<v Speaker 1>going to win that case?

644
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

645
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Wow, Yeah. So the judge concluded that he could have

646
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:31.199
<v Speaker 1>and should have taken legal actions sooner, but since he didn't,

647
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:33.760
<v Speaker 1>it was just simply too little too late.

648
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Is that actually a rule though, that it took him

649
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:39.400
<v Speaker 2>too long? Like I've never I think.

650
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>There is, because there's even situations that I have heard

651
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:45.480
<v Speaker 1>of murderers like literally telling their story after it's too

652
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:47.079
<v Speaker 1>little too late to have been wrestled.

653
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Right.

654
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Actually, I can't remember what the law is called or anything,

655
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.239
<v Speaker 1>but I do know that there is that sort of

656
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:55.559
<v Speaker 1>thing that occurs quite frequently.

657
00:37:56.079 --> 00:38:00.239
<v Speaker 2>But I also feel like there has to be excludion,

658
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.840
<v Speaker 2>like this man was in jail, so like he didn't

659
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:04.559
<v Speaker 2>have the opportunity, do you know what I mean?

660
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I know what you mean. Yeah, I feel the same. Yeah,

661
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:10.559
<v Speaker 1>even if he didn't, even if he did have the opportunity,

662
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:15.320
<v Speaker 1>even authorities, the government would provide the opportunity for inmates

663
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:18.719
<v Speaker 1>to pursue a lawsuit like that, he didn't have the

664
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:21.440
<v Speaker 1>education to know better. He was a kid when he

665
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:25.320
<v Speaker 1>was thrown behind bars. Yeah he didn't know. Yeah, maybe

666
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:29.639
<v Speaker 1>they should have. I don't know, made him see counselors

667
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.280
<v Speaker 1>talk about this sort of thing. Maybe he's been sitting

668
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:34.159
<v Speaker 1>on this idea for years and didn't know he could

669
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.480
<v Speaker 1>pursue it behind bars. Did they give him the opportunity,

670
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:43.079
<v Speaker 1>We don't know. So while serving his time behind bars,

671
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.760
<v Speaker 1>ricked missed crucial moments in his family's lives. His father

672
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:49.840
<v Speaker 1>had passed away and he was unable to attend his funeral.

673
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.119
<v Speaker 1>He had two kids who he never really knew, met

674
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:55.800
<v Speaker 1>a few times through the bars of prison.

675
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:57.239
<v Speaker 2>He had two kids.

676
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.719
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Oh, I'm not too sure when they were conceived,

677
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.880
<v Speaker 1>if they were conceived before he was going in or

678
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe conjugal visits. I don't know. I didn't

679
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.639
<v Speaker 1>really dig too much information, dig too deep on that information. Okay,

680
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 1>But he did have two kids, and he missed decades

681
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:19.239
<v Speaker 1>of their lives. So now, the name white Boy Rick

682
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:22.440
<v Speaker 1>was not a street name that Rick used himself, nor

683
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:24.159
<v Speaker 1>was it one that he was ever called by those

684
00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:27.079
<v Speaker 1>who he was associated with. The name was strictly given

685
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:31.000
<v Speaker 1>to him by reporters and new sources. So Rick Worshey

686
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Junior was a boy who was working with authorities. To

687
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:36.440
<v Speaker 1>what degree I mean that may be up for debate,

688
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.280
<v Speaker 1>but it is factual and it is documented that the

689
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:43.800
<v Speaker 1>relationship did in fact occur. It is very possible and

690
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:49.920
<v Speaker 1>perhaps probable without any sort of this informant connection, that

691
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Rick may have grown up to live a drug in

692
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:55.159
<v Speaker 1>crime free life. He may have never seen the inside

693
00:39:55.159 --> 00:40:00.480
<v Speaker 1>of a prison cell whatsoever, but instead, well, you know

694
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:01.159
<v Speaker 1>how it played out.

695
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:05.199
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, on the flip side, who knows, maybe

696
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.440
<v Speaker 2>he still would have ended up in that sort of

697
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:09.440
<v Speaker 2>crowd too, right, He might have.

698
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:11.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he very well could have.

699
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.559
<v Speaker 2>Being just thinking about like what his dad was involved

700
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:16.280
<v Speaker 2>in and stuff.

701
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he didn't grow up in like the very

702
00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:24.000
<v Speaker 1>nicest of areas either, Like it was fairly heavily involved

703
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:29.599
<v Speaker 1>crime drug gang thing in the vicinity of his upbringing.

704
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:32.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's a very good possibility that it could

705
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.159
<v Speaker 1>have occurred. But it's also a very good possibility that

706
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:37.320
<v Speaker 1>could have grown up and have a beautiful family and

707
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.760
<v Speaker 1>a lawyer in good suburban town, mowing his lawn every

708
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:42.719
<v Speaker 1>other day and going to church on Sundays.

709
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:46.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean, even if he was involved in, say,

710
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.800
<v Speaker 2>got involved in some sort of something shady, he probably

711
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:55.000
<v Speaker 2>would have had a better chance in court and with

712
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.960
<v Speaker 2>pearls and everything, because there wouldn't have been someone in

713
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.880
<v Speaker 2>the background and on all this.

714
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, I mean there's a lot more political ties

715
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.880
<v Speaker 1>that go into this story. There was a documentary called

716
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:13.480
<v Speaker 1>White Boy, and it's on Netflix right now. I do

717
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.599
<v Speaker 1>highly recommend you go watch it. It is very informative

718
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:18.440
<v Speaker 1>and they go into some of the political stuff a bit.

719
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:23.079
<v Speaker 1>For example, one of the things one of the gangs

720
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:27.159
<v Speaker 1>that Rick was infiltrating, I can't remember what it was called.

721
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:29.079
<v Speaker 1>It was called the best Friend's Gang, I think is

722
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:32.800
<v Speaker 1>what it is. And one of the heads of that gang,

723
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Rick Junior, had actually gotten arrested and convicted, and so

724
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Rick almost kind of took his place a bit, but

725
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:48.000
<v Speaker 1>like not really. However, he did start dating that guy's wife,

726
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:52.280
<v Speaker 1>oh shit, who also was the mayor's daughter or something

727
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.079
<v Speaker 1>like that. And then that's why the FBI wanted to

728
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:58.960
<v Speaker 1>use Rick's in when he was behind bars, because of

729
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:02.159
<v Speaker 1>his his connection to this woman who was like in

730
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:05.480
<v Speaker 1>the political world, and like there was a wow, and

731
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:10.320
<v Speaker 1>then there's different ties with his his defendants who are

732
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:12.880
<v Speaker 1>also within and all this, and it just it's a huge,

733
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:16.079
<v Speaker 1>huge thing that it goes down for quite a ways.

734
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:19.639
<v Speaker 2>So how how long is this? Is it like a

735
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:20.480
<v Speaker 2>mini docus here?

736
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:22.400
<v Speaker 1>He's kind of I know it's a one off documentary,

737
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and I think it's I think it's like two hours.

738
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, yeah, I actually really want to watch that.

739
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:30.639
<v Speaker 1>It's a good documentary, huh, Because.

740
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is this is a fascinating story. It's unbelievable.

741
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:36.480
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe I've actually ever heard this, which I mean,

742
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:39.079
<v Speaker 1>this story goes so deep because there's even lyrics of

743
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:41.360
<v Speaker 1>white Boy Rick and some some like rap songs and

744
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:52.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that Kid Rock spoke at his parole hearing. Yeah, yeah, wow, Okay, jeez,

745
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:54.199
<v Speaker 1>it's just wild.

746
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:55.119
<v Speaker 2>This is wild.

747
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:56.000
<v Speaker 1>It is.

748
00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:58.639
<v Speaker 2>I keep saying that. But I don't even know how

749
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:02.000
<v Speaker 2>the hell out should describe miss this. Why I can't

750
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.440
<v Speaker 2>even talk and my eyeballs are still the size of

751
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:05.239
<v Speaker 2>these coasters.

752
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:10.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm curious what everyone thinks on the validity of this.

753
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that white Boy Rick or Rick Wershey

754
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:18.159
<v Speaker 1>Junior was involved in the FBI to the extent that

755
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:21.480
<v Speaker 1>he says, because we know he was, that's factual. But

756
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:24.400
<v Speaker 1>did the FBI really indoctrinate him into the gang and

757
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 1>crime world? Did this really all occur when he was fourteen?

758
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:35.559
<v Speaker 2>Man, it seems like it almost seems a guy. I

759
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:37.880
<v Speaker 2>believe it, but it also seems like it's something I

760
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:39.039
<v Speaker 2>don't want to believe either.

761
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:40.519
<v Speaker 1>I think I do believe it.

762
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like it's disgusting if it's if it's a hundred percent.

763
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean sure, maybe they're they're embellishing some of

764
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:52.880
<v Speaker 1>the stories a bit, but I don't think they're going

765
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.599
<v Speaker 1>to embellish the story on Yeah, I was an informant

766
00:43:55.639 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 1>since fourteen. Okay, maybe it's even fifteen. I was an

767
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.639
<v Speaker 1>informant since fifteenth. Hasn't really changed much. I was an

768
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:06.239
<v Speaker 1>informance since I was a young teenager for the authorities

769
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:11.079
<v Speaker 1>to infiltrate gangs and sell drugs and stuff. Like I said,

770
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:12.639
<v Speaker 1>there's documentation that he was.

771
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Whoever had this idea is just.

772
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:21.679
<v Speaker 1>Cruel, Yeah, extremely cruel.

773
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very disturbing, disturbed.

774
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, huh Okay, So that's uh the story. There you go,

775
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:36.000
<v Speaker 1>white boy Rick aka Rick Worshey junior man.

776
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:37.199
<v Speaker 2>How old would he be? Now?

777
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh you know, I'm not certain. I let me see.

778
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say he's around.

779
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Sixty Okay, Yeah, that sounds about right.

780
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.559
<v Speaker 1>I think he got out when he was about fifty

781
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:54.599
<v Speaker 1>eight if I'm not mistaken, So I think it'll be

782
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:55.960
<v Speaker 1>sixty one, maybe sixty two.

783
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.199
<v Speaker 2>And okay, I shouldn't, it's not funny, but I just

784
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:02.880
<v Speaker 2>there's so many other things that I think people have

785
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:07.760
<v Speaker 2>committed worse acts, not saying that he didn't commit anything bad,

786
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:10.679
<v Speaker 2>that are in prison for way less time.

787
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, I mean, let's look at this. Assume assume

788
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.079
<v Speaker 1>that he did work with the FBI as an informant.

789
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Assume that he was there under there, okay, to be

790
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.719
<v Speaker 1>a fake drug dealer, a fake gang member, whatever, Okay,

791
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:31.719
<v Speaker 1>he did after they disconnected from him, which they didn't

792
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:34.360
<v Speaker 1>actually say they were disconnecting, They just stopped talking to him.

793
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:37.519
<v Speaker 1>So theoretically he may have still been under the impression

794
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:39.920
<v Speaker 1>that he's still working with him, but will say there

795
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:45.000
<v Speaker 1>was a cutoff. He was a gang member and drug

796
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:49.280
<v Speaker 1>dealer for up to approximately a year six months to

797
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:52.840
<v Speaker 1>a year, let's say, where he was committing these crimes

798
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:57.239
<v Speaker 1>solely on his own accord, without the authorities telling him to.

799
00:45:57.440 --> 00:45:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he was kind of also in too deep.

800
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:01.280
<v Speaker 1>That's part of the story.

801
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:03.280
<v Speaker 2>They couldn't get out of it. Yeah, for sure, how

802
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:04.400
<v Speaker 2>the fuck would you get out of it?

803
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:09.679
<v Speaker 1>You're right, but he was a drug dealer, he was.

804
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was negatively affecting other people's lives by being

805
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:14.960
<v Speaker 2>a drug dealer, for sure.

806
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>So even if you take out the aspect of being

807
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:21.880
<v Speaker 1>affected by authorities and manipulated and it's indoctrinated into his life,

808
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:23.960
<v Speaker 1>he was a drug dealer for six months to one year.

809
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:27.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't care who the fuck you are if you're

810
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:32.199
<v Speaker 1>a drug dealer for any amount of drugs, a nonviolent

811
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:34.400
<v Speaker 1>drug dealer, well, I mean maybe if you're like literally

812
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:39.239
<v Speaker 1>working with the cartel and like shipments like I don't know,

813
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 1>like shipping containers like thousands of pounds of drug might

814
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:44.800
<v Speaker 1>be different stories. But if you can carry the amount

815
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:48.039
<v Speaker 1>of drugs on your person, you should not serve life

816
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:52.159
<v Speaker 1>in jail, no way, Because I can only imagine some

817
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:56.039
<v Speaker 1>of these people that's their only option of a livelihood. Yeah,

818
00:46:56.400 --> 00:47:00.199
<v Speaker 1>that's all they can do to feed their kids.

819
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:02.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm just thinking about other people have

820
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:06.679
<v Speaker 2>like committed murders and like done wrongdoings to children and

821
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:10.119
<v Speaker 2>they get liked and they get less and oh gosh, yeah,

822
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:12.599
<v Speaker 2>and then they're back out on the streets. Because I

823
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.519
<v Speaker 2>feel like him being back out on the street isn't

824
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:20.639
<v Speaker 2>necessarily going to be what's the word, a problem for

825
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:24.400
<v Speaker 2>humanity or like no, you know, like reoffending or no,

826
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:26.079
<v Speaker 2>like a fear of reoffending.

827
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<v Speaker 1>I agree, there's many violent criminals out there who got

828
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:33.719
<v Speaker 1>way less than this non violent criminal, yeah, who was

829
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:39.719
<v Speaker 1>technically only a criminal via the puppet strings of the law. Anyways,

830
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.599
<v Speaker 1>I could rant for like hours on this because oh

831
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:46.480
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, it just keeps going. So I'm curious what

832
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:48.440
<v Speaker 1>you guys think. Shoot us a message or anything like that.

833
00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:50.159
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834
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835
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836
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:57.360
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<v Speaker 1>all listed there if you just want to, Hey, listen

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839
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:04.320
<v Speaker 1>bit right now, but if you are still listening, you're

840
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<v Speaker 1>if you don't hear from us, because Hey, you're too

842
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<v Speaker 1>busy over the holiday season and you don't catch our

843
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Christmas episode. Hey, we wish you a merry Christmas, happy holidays,

844
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:18.440
<v Speaker 1>and we show you nothing but the best.

845
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<v Speaker 2>You took my line, I was gonna wish everyone a

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<v Speaker 2>happy holidays.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh sorry, okay, I redact that. Nicole can say it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just kidding, but no, because our next episode will

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<v Speaker 2>be coming out on Boxing Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's right, it will.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, this is our time to basically just I

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<v Speaker 2>hope no matter what you're going through or enjoying or

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<v Speaker 2>not enjoying, there's a little piece of magic in your holiday,

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<v Speaker 2>just a little.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like you should be a Disney intro that

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<v Speaker 1>was magical.

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<v Speaker 2>And whether it's just like a nice sip of a

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<v Speaker 2>nice hot chocolate, enjoying a snowflake, enjoying some lights on

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<v Speaker 2>a Christmas tree, just a little moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Of magic, a little extra sleep, in a.

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<v Speaker 2>Good stretch, a hot bath, those.

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<v Speaker 1>Little things in life. Yeah, it doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 1>a big thing to be happy, doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 1>a big thing to be Christmas. So we hope you

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<v Speaker 1>have a good Christmas, good holidays, and like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of magic, a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little bit of magic. Yeah, so tell our next episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay Wicked. That was kind of about Stay Wicked, Stay Wicked.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, Stay Wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go.
