Speaker 1: Monday Night Raw.
Speaker 2: It's sure is Joe, It's there.
Speaker 1: Shit's happening. You could call it that if you want.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, it's no, it's no Saturday
Night's main event show. Let's just be honest. Okay, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: I will say I did, like, and it's like, I'm
not trying to be an asshole because.
Speaker 2: People like, you know, they're.
Speaker 1: Allowed whatever the obviously, whatever the fuck they like. But
some people were like leaving us full fucking thesis statements
on that Saturday Night Main event video.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was actually very good because of these reasons.
And I was like, all right, hey, I'm glad. I'm
glad that, uh, you're having fun. Like once again, I'm
not trying to fucking completely yuck. You're young here, but
all right, it really fine and finding some corn in
that pile of shit, man, like you're really going, you're
going full steam ahead. It's it's weird, dude, it is
very very weird.
Speaker 2: It's uh, it's it's a mixed bag. Like I understand
what some of the people like, you know what I mean,
I'm glad that the matches are still a strong point
for a lot of people because it seems like what
they hold on to, and it seems like even when
the storylines and the performance and the entertainment side of
the show is pretty rough. Uh to put it nicely,
it seems like people hold on to the idea that, hey,
but the wrestlers can wrestle.
Speaker 1: They're not terrible in the ring, and it's like, well, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: You know, there's multiple facets to this, right, being able
to perform the moves is one facet and you're right,
it's good that these guys aren't out there breaking each
other's next because a they're assholes or be there just unseasoned.
But at the same time, there's reasons for the storylines,
there's reasons for the moves, there's reasons for these matches
that really don't add up to a good match, Like
it's I don't know, Joe, I think uh. I think
sometimes a lot of fans compartmentalize their fandom. They just
take bits and pieces out, which which is again fine, right,
like you're not trying to yuck, they're young. But at
the same time, it's like, can't we just appreciate something
on the whole? Can't something be or or deliver on
all different levels, at least to a mediocre degree. It
just feels like I shouldn't have to dissect every fucking
thing in order to determine, in order to weigh it
out like some kind of fucking scale whether I enjoyed
it or not.
Speaker 1: Yes, well it is like, uh, what's what's the way
I'm looking for here? It's one of those uh maybe
not a double edged sword. I'm trying to think of
the right word here where you want to say, yeah,
I mean, don't look too much into it and just
you know, go on the vibes and how you feel
about it. And then also at the same time, like
I've now gotten to the point where I watch Monday
Night Raw and I see what happens to it and
it's less of a TV show and more of like
an examination of something that I used to know and understand,
and it's strange decay and decline and like, what what
was this? What was this thing that once happened and
where did it go? Like what is the audience for
this anymore? It's got to be the actually interested in it,
really has to be the youngest. That's the only thing
I can think of. It just doesn't make sense any
other way that the old heads, that the eighties watchers,
that the nineties watchers are seeing this going, wow, you
guys are wrong. This stuff is way better than the
eighties this. I mean, look, it's clearly better than Macho
Man and Ricky Steamboat.
Speaker 2: It's clearly clearly better than big personalities like Ultimate Warrior
Bam bam, bigelow. It's I mean, it's it's awesome theory. Guys,
come on, it's just.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, Austin's theory. Now, it's like in lieu of
a character. His thing now is he just grabs another
man's wife's ass.
Speaker 2: He's that's he's That's what it is. And I hate
to say it, but I guess what should I say? Millennial?
He's he's millennial ravishing rick Rude, Like.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's the case. Like it's
just honest to god, well he watched.
Speaker 2: Let's be honest. The idea that he's pulling maccine is
it's it's above him. He doesn't. He doesn't seem like
a character, uh that in the real world you look
at Oh yeah, he totally pulled a mac Seinte like,
but it.
Speaker 1: Is and it isn't. At the same time, because I mean,
he's a pretty boy for sure. I know that they
they thought they could gruff him up by telling them.
Speaker 2: He looks like a Brisco at this point.
Speaker 1: Come on, no, all right, let's let's let's be he'd
be the most handsome of the Brisco says. They tried
to brisco him, Sir. They were like, what if we
give you a bus kit, you grow a little beard,
And I'm like, come on, come on, he's still like
a twink pretty boy.
Speaker 2: Like that's widow's peak, is getting awfully high just saying
you know, well.
Speaker 1: That's it is when they have to make a conscious
effort to gap you know, they're not a bad looking person.
When they're trying to they're like, look, we're gonna make
you ugly, bag. You're gonna get a haircut, and it's like,
phot come on, come on, that's not what this dude is.
Speaker 2: They didn't do that to Logan, which which is great
I guess for him too. But I always kind of
thought that Austin Theory and Logan Paul were kind of
supposed to be like parallels of one another, and Austin
theory is starting to look like the other Steiner brother
the other lifesteiner as opposed trying to stay in the
zeitgeist of Logan Paul.
Speaker 1: So do you know what though, like, had he not
gotten hurt, i'd have been didn't I don't want to
say all in on it, I wouldn't have been like
this is the greatest thing. But I remember right from
the jump, I'm like, that's a good tag team. It
makes sense. It makes sense for those guys to be together. Yeah,
Logan Paul has the personality Austin theory is going to
be able to keep a match together because it's not
as though, in any way, shape or form, he's like
a bad, shitty wrestler that doesn't know what he's doing
in the ring. He's just a dull pretty boy. And
that's you know, that's why Vince was into a Vince
was into dull pretty boys.
Speaker 2: I mean the character wise, like him and Logan Paul
look like they listened to the same Nickelback album, you know.
Like it's just it made sense watching them out there
together as characters, and now they don't even look like
they belong in the same stable. It's just it's a
matter of fact. If anything, Logan Paul might be the
prettiest one in this whole fucking stable. Now, I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're we're getting to the point. Yea, Logan Paul
is over there, Well, Logan Paul, and you know, respect
to him happens all of us, especially when they more
than likely have at some point the substances that he
may have. Allegedly that hair is going on on that boy,
that hair is going Yeah, he might be uh, he
might be taking a trip to Turkey soon. That that's
a possibility, which if which, if that's the case, it's like,
say they do that whole deal where Logan Paul comes back.
By the way, I'm like now starting to become a
more of a proponent of hair versus hair matches because
at least it's a thing, like I noticed last week
I said that about somebody else too, I can't remember,
but I'm like, at least it's a thing, like it's
a stipulation that's like wrestling oriented as opposed to whatever
the fuck it is that we're watching at this point, right,
But no, like Maxine and Maxine too, she's also like
I get aesthetically obviously, you know you're going for the
Stacy Keebler saying, but she's dull, she doesn't have a
big personality.
Speaker 2: Really, all I got from her personality Monday and even
watching the between the commercials interviews that she did with
like Iron Saxton, she is trying her damnedest to be
Live Morgan.
Speaker 1: She's working, she's trying to give you that I'm a
me nasty bit.
Speaker 2: But even the closeness like jumping all over theory the
way that Lived it with Dominic, when Live in Dominic
did that shit well, even when Domin riha to a
little bit lesser of a point, but when Live did
that with Dominic, that was just so grating and annoying
and it worked for them because of the character differences
between Live Morgan and Rio ripley Ria being way more
stoic and obviously totally into dom as the character. But
Live was more hands on and she was evil using
her body and she was coming out there with the
fucking butt hugger shorts that you saw her heartbeat through
her asshole. And now Maxine is trying to pull that
with Austin Theory, and it's like, ah, I would have
almost been okay with this type of mimicry if she
was doing that with Logan Paul instead of Austin theory.
Speaker 1: You're not Yeah, you're not wrong, you're not wrong. But
then but then we'd have this weird conversation. And this
is also where I don't get this either, where if
they were like, well, if you put her with Logan Pulp,
but we all know Logan Paul's married. Yeah, we all
know Maxine's married too. We all know Dominic Mysterious married.
Like it's the weirdest, you know, like it's it's so
odd because they can't wait to which I know they
released the new season of the show, the unscripted show
or whatever they're calling it, Like I for some reason,
the name just.
Speaker 2: Will not uncastrated is what it's called. This unneutered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they're trying to do with Jacob, right, No,
I they can't wait to pull the curtain back, and
then they don't realize how that doesn't take away from
the story lines, you know, Like it's it's very odd
to me, Like it's like, yeah, we all know that
Caine wasn't a burned victim.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It was a fun fandom. Though that's the problem too, right,
Like I get that, right, we understand that all these
people are married and shit. But it's almost as if
the fandom crosses over and picks and chooses what it
gets upset about, like this isn't real enough, this is
too real and so, you know what, I don't understand.
So if you're going to watch the show and enjoy
the characters for what they are, then stop believing that
this ship is real if you're not right. And so
I understand what you mean with like you know, she's
married and he's married, and like that. I just said
that Logan Paul in Maxine makes sense because Logan Paul
is already the big star. So you can imagine a
girl pawing all over.
Speaker 1: Him, onto him and trying to get clout. Yeah, no,
you're right, that's that would fit. That would fit the
theme of the character, right, it's supposed to be I'm
getting away from these two fucking you know, these two
chuckle fucks, and I'm trying to get into the big Hollywood,
like I want to go, I want to go sit
inside UFC, a big celebrity.
Speaker 2: I mean, that could be a storyline too. Maybe it
turns out that Maxine's polyamorous.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh polyamorous? Is that a new girl in
t NA po No, and maybe that's Lyrius next move.
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus, lys lys Stocking? Who did she fucking run
up on Soul? Did you watch that ship? That fucking interview?
So yeah, this is all the between the commercial ship.
I've been finding myself enjoying watching.
Speaker 1: More than the show because the the.
Speaker 2: Byron Saxon stuff is almost funnier because it's like, here
you go, here's something to watch during the commercials. That's
Soul out there kind of hyping herself up. And Lyra
comes out there and goes, yeah, yeah, you're just big ship.
Aren't you wearing my belt that I fucking made? Aren't you? Bitch?
And salts like, uh, are you okay? Is there something
wrong with you? What's that smell? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn get that. I didn't get that promo.
I'm sure though, that it's not awkward at all because
Soul has the personality of a dead dog, and she.
Speaker 2: Was just like, you know, I'm out here, I'm gonna
have a match soon, and hey, I appreciate all of
you for liking me, and fucking Lyra just drunkenly walks
up yeah, and she's just like you fucking bitch, buddy,
you're doing wearing my health. It's like, God, damn dude,
who let this cuckoo bar?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who let this like mentally ill, fucking nasty bitch
roam around and a.
Speaker 2: Street fight like soul is high surfer girl? Yeah, well,
when the high surfer girl is looking at you like
you got the drug problem, maybe there's something off about
the character just a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, what is this a sublime concert? Let's get
this ship, clean this up. By the way, that is
kind of that is kind of odd, and I think
that it's should be done kind of across the board.
I think WWE needs to make this more uniform again,
where if you like, if you like cripple someone on
the television show, you should get suspended.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't know.
Speaker 1: If that just seems like what do we got a
whole wrestling company, a Draymond Greens. You just never get
in trouble for anything. You're just allowed to stomp on
people's dicks and set them on fire and shit and
no one cares. Like, it's very weird to me that
that happens. Where it's like, wait, so what happened? So
she fucking just fucked Bailey up and took her off
the TV show, and then they're like, man, it's all right.
Speaker 2: They didn't even give her a proper promo about it.
Once again, in between the commercials, that's all she did.
She's like, yeah, I got rid of Bailey. What did
you do with your fucking life?
Speaker 1: Saul? This sounds like covering her drink. She doesn't want
her to spit on it. It's like it's fucking nasty.
It's like when you're at a bar and it's just
like something gross nasty. They just get too close to you, like, yeah,
fucking gross ass person.
Speaker 2: Dude, Yeah, it's sorry. There. He's like, this is why
people can't keep up with the show storyline. Almost during
the commercials, I wouldn't be surprised if she was actually
trunk Street, Like, well, Jay was there.
Speaker 1: It is a possibility, yo, Irish girl, let's get some
fucking tricks.
Speaker 2: In us, yo, Like.
Speaker 1: Whatever you drunk, that's the next romance angle instead of
having Jay with like this is literally.
Speaker 2: Hot rebound black girl friend.
Speaker 1: He's a smelly, smelly, alcoholic clire about stereo.
Speaker 2: God damn.
Speaker 1: Damn g talk about a rebound yo.
Speaker 2: I got I got a match with Saul.
Speaker 1: Once again, they're like, hey, wait a second, isn't he
with that like smoking hot chick that wrestles down at
an XT They're like, nah, it's not forget it, Hey,
no attention to this.
Speaker 2: It's all like you blew a marriage. Yeah, do you
know how dude? It is?
Speaker 1: Really it is fucking weird to me because we're looking
at what's going on with the show with some of this,
and once again it does go back to the reality
show where they're like, let's peel back the curtain. Isn't
this amazing. We're gonna put a Netflix show that tells
you all of these people's lives and it's directly next
to the fucking raw screen on that so click from
this one of that one. It's like, you don't have
to go searching for it. I talked about Caine earlier
and him being yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Was the dentist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the idiots like us that fucking read the internet
knew that in nineteen ninety seven, ninety ninety eight, right,
Like that wasn't on WWE television. They weren't saying we're
going to make a reality show. And it's about how
Caine used to be a dentist, right, and now look
at this, you know, like that was the fandom seeking
out that information. Now they're just rubbing your face in
the piss and then trying to make a TV show.
Speaker 2: Uh. I think that's the other thing though too. I
still think it's like a controlled narrative, right, like no
put to the cyn But in the vein that we've
always hungered as wrestling fans for shoot interviews, we've always
enjoyed behind the scenes drama. With this show, I feel
like this is WWE's way of rewriting history before people
can keep it in the books, before before the rumors
and the conjecture take a life of its own, you know,
life on its own or of its own even maybe.
So it's just one of those things that I think
that's why this show is so popular. It's dark side
of the ring, but told by WWE. It's kind of
like you can't make fun of us if we make
fun of ourselves first, you know, oh yeah, we fucked
it up, and see we're admitting it. We're cool, right,
It's and.
Speaker 1: It's like it's just like Ralphie May and that worked
out well, right, Like this is this is what we're
watching like I I don't understand once again, where you
have this fucking show where it's like, hey, look here's
Maxine getting married, and then we're gonna do a relationship angle.
And then meanwhile, Damian Priest is like sitting around staring
at the wall, and they're like, yeah, we're gonna put
your smoking, hot, fucking girlfriend with the lizard guy in Mexico.
It's like, Damian Priest needs help help him, Yeah, give him,
give him the actual woman he's in a relationship with,
and try to do something.
Speaker 2: Jesus somebody called bad Bunny back something like Damian Pries
is another one that's fallen just like Killer or crossed it,
you know what I mean. Like, in a lot of ways,
here's another very talented person. And I remember us having
a lot of back and forth with people too that
some people just felt that cross was never special, there
was nothing talented about the guy, and I just kind
of found that oblivious. But here we are with Damian Priest,
and I know for a while there you felt a
way about Damien Priest that wasn't very flattering to the guy.
I've always kind of been in the corner of the guy.
But it's almost as if his star has fallen so far.
Could he ever get back to the point of being
main event conversation? Could he ever become that guy again?
Because he's got the look, he's got this size. I
think in the ring he's not awful. I like his
little mannerisms that he does that makes him unique. Like
I said, it's a flashback to the days of people
like road Dog and Dlo Brown where they added a
little flare to their boring punches to make it something unique.
And it's like Damien Priest has a natural chrisma about himself,
let alone the crazy enough work ethic of coming from
a fucking four hundred pound dude and dropping himself into
a fucking Latin madonnas. You know, like, there's nothing wrong
about this guy on any facet, and he did really
well in the judgment day. People seem to forget that,
but you're right. They got him staring in the corner
like he did something wrong, Like he's gonna get smacked
with the magazine at the end of the day, and
I don't know what they're gonna do to fix him.
He almost feels like a guy who's going to get
cut soon, or they're gonna or they're gonna cut his
contract in half and now he's gonna be working for peanuts.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, yeah, well this this is also the
problem too, is like real life throws them a lob
ball and they refuse to swing like he is. Is
it possible that he'll never ever be able to become
a main event world champion? Sure?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: Like maybe maybe not right, but he could at least
be a mid card cocky, big heel with a hot
girl with him. That's like, look at my fucker you
you know, fuck you man, Like you're never gonna get
a girl looks like this, Like at least that's a
that's something. And she has the ability to pull that
off too, where like Maxine just like makes a poopy
face and she's just like, yeah, a poopy face. I'm
like this is boring and no one believes.
Speaker 2: She's trying to be lived now. Like literally this week, Joe,
this Monday was her real coming out as Live Morgan's
big sister, little sister, Like that's that's what it is,
And there was so many similarities, like I don't know, man,
her her attachment to theory is almost a splitting image
of what domin lived were absolutely so, yes, you're right,
all these things. Somebody must have hit her up. Somebody
must have told her, hey, can you get a personality?
Can you look like you do more than one thing? Good? Uh?
And she's like, I know I can copy other people
and they're like, great, do that?
Speaker 1: So yeah, how about you copy someone that's not on
twenty minutes after you that? How about not that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh yeah, we heard copying fucking Alexa Bliss. I'lla
bray Wyatt now. So I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1: Right, but at least that's been off television for seven years,
well you know what I mean? Like it's And by
the way, I think Damian Priese was on the mind
because I did see the shit that he's doing in
Tripaa yea, and you know, ta da, it's the exact
thing I've been saying he should have been doing right
after the Bad Bunny matches, doing the promos in Spanish,
just looking like a guy that kicks ass. He was
way more comfortable, Like I saw him doing the promo
and I was like, where is this guy? Why am
I looking at this?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I was his biggest problem before though, too. When we
talked about that was he couldn't figure out who he
was and one minute and it was a running gag
even between me, you and Kevin. It's like, one minute,
this guy is the Latin guy, like he's fucking referencing
things Spanish. The next minute he's a hardcore New York dude,
and then he's like a yo yo hip hop guy.
It was like, Wow, where the fuck are we going
with this character? And then he was just relaxed, normal
dude hanging out in the locker room.
Speaker 1: It's so he needs to wearing purple pleather yea. And
by the way, like I get it, New York is
very eclectic. I know the people there culturally are very
you know what I mean. Like it's the same way
as like, even though I'd make fun of a dude
like Andrew Schultz and now he's obviously clean, let's let's
just say he's code switched. He's not doing his like
yo gee, let's go you know, mad hill yo, Like
he's he's cut back on that. But at least there
was that part of me where I'd see him and
I'd go, oh, this is what like white kids in
New York will do.
Speaker 2: They'll be like yo, look at me.
Speaker 1: I'm down at the basketball court jog. Yeah. Gee, and
you're like, oh my fucking god, cut it out, dude,
go go go eat it fucking Wendy's and say it's spicy.
Speaker 2: Coming from like six foot to Latin dude, you know, just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like pick it, yeah, pick a thing and
go with it. Right, It's fine, you know. And yeah,
it's like okay, here's uh, you know, street fighters posting
all this ship like it's he's in his leather vest
and he's looking like a big guy. He's wearing jeans. Wow,
imagine that putting him in jeans.
Speaker 2: It's like this. You think he had to get fitted
for those or do you think he just had a
pair in his gym bag? Yeah? I know, right.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Undertaker might have just looked at him,
like can you imagine the face he probably gave him,
like a like a complete like queer eye face, you
know where he like looks them in the gear and
he just.
Speaker 2: Goes I'd love that Undertak like licked his yeah, licked
his thumb and like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Honey, can we get you some jeans? This is not
this is giving ninety six like dar a little of
this hot girl. Does she let you dress like that? Honey?
Like come on no, But like that's the funny thing
to me is, once again you have this TV show
where they're just constantly trying to pet like paddle upstream
with ship that makes no sense and isn't really good
going to go anywhere or work. And then they're like, hey,
love ball, catch it and they go, oh.
Speaker 2: Good, I don't want to play ball. You're not my dad.
Yeah you're not. You're not my dad.
Speaker 1: Common sense, reason and basic fucking storytelling and writing and logic.
You're not my real dad, right right, Yeah, that's a
good point. We should just keep trying to fucking do
all this shit that makes no sense and doesn't do
anything for anything.
Speaker 2: Raw Again. Look, I hate to say, but Raw Again
was absolutely entertaining if you're watching it the wrong way,
absolutely entertaining. I had a good time. A lot of Dominic,
a lot of Dominic, a lot of comedy segments on Monday.
I know that, uh, that's been in the pipeline for
a while, that Dominic was going to get more TV time,
more storyline time. Boy, oh boy, do they they couldn't
wait to just turn him into a into a joke,
could they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were Russian. They were Russian the goof fucking
logic and storytelling if you want to call it that.
For him, they just couldn't wait.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Russian goofs. Huh Man Russev is a fucking dork.
Speaker 1: Now, huh. Like that's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, Now he's got a catchphrase that Ethan Page
has to decipher for everybody. I'm just like, oh, this
is us.
Speaker 1: Honestly, like I said, it's not even a TV show
that I watch anymore that I go, oh, well, like
it's it's almost just like a weird psychological study, you know,
where I'm looking at the characters and I'm looking at
the reaction of the audience. I mean, I would say
of this whole night, and obviously we could just jump
around all the ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Probably the most sobering thing for me as far as
like what the crowd is in twenty two twenty six
and the divide between the people who are still paying
to be in the building and the people that are
still watching it at home feeling disappointed and confused. And
you know, whatever you want to say is La Night
coming out and cutting that chromo and I'm thinking to myself,
he's talking to an audience that won't pay for tickets anymore.
That's who he's talking to. Like, the crowd is confused
because he's coming out and just he's telling the truth.
He's like, yeah, I get it. All this Shield shit
was shot down your fucking throats for fifteen years, No
wonder you're cheering for it. Remember when no one gave
a fuck about Roman for seven years and then he
finally found a thing that worked, and now you people
fucking blonde onto it and now you just can't help yourselves.
And the audience is like, I'm paid to see the Shield, guys,
that's what they've That's what it is. So the audience
at home that you chased off through prices and through
a fucking fifteen years of pushing Roman rings and seth
for rollins constantly and the Samoan fucking slop, like those
people are still if they are watching it home going.
Speaker 2: Fuck Elle night, way to go.
Speaker 1: And the people in the crowd are like, oh no, no,
that's what I paid to say.
Speaker 2: I paid to.
Speaker 1: Chant for the Samoan. Heel, babyface heal, babyface heel. That's
I'm still the person that's going to put money down
for a ticket because that's what I actually like. So
the people that would go to the show who would
all dissent from it or feel a sort of way
about that, they're gone. They're gone. And I know it's
like it's one crowd. Sure you could just say, well,
you're just you're basing this off one group with people
or whatever, the fuck, But do you think La Knight
could cut that promo and yeah, half the cities that
they go to and get a good reaction anymore.
Speaker 2: No. The problem with that crowd that they cut off though,
it's the loudest crowd, way louder than the casuals, way louder.
And they're the ones that don't forget. They're the ones
that will continue to pester and troll and shit all
over WWE forever and ever until they fix themselves. So
it's like, yeah, sure, or fine, you got rid of
a majority of your paying customers and now you're going
to try and gardner new fans with this half hearted
product with half hearted storylines and half hearted matches, And
do you think you're going to explode because all of
your marketing team can squeeze every dime out of fucking
whatever the hell they see. It's just I don't know, man,
it's a recipe for disaster. It is literally riding this
until the wheels fall off. I don't see much of
a future for it. When LAE Knight is talking to people,
I got it's like you said, you know, it's you're
not wrong. And the thing is is it makes more sense.
It's almost romantic coming from l A. Knight because we
know he's doomed. Like it's kind of like the last
man on the ship, you know, and it's not the captain,
and he's just like, well, I mean, I guess I'm
going down. Guys.
Speaker 1: It's like you're watching that that movie where it's like
a maybe like a romantic whatever drama movie, and the
guy just keeps go visiting his dad in the hospital, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2: Or grandma or his mom, and he's the musicians on
the Titanic they didn't have to go down, but they
chose to. They knew what was happening.
Speaker 1: L A. Knight's got the fucking heart, moner.
Speaker 2: Arn.
Speaker 1: He's just like, you gotta trust your gut, trust your gut, honey,
you gotta believe yourself, you know, We're like, come on, La,
you're gonna get up soon again.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be right around.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be taking your sunglasses off real fast.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that one.
Speaker 2: You just called himself the going marry. At this point,
it can just burn him alive. It's just a l. A.
Knight is the last purveyor of doom. He is, He's
the last one. He's like, trust me, after this, there's nothing.
There is nothing. I'm tired, boss. I am the last
gas station across the desert. That's what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you better get yourself a peanut and some pop
because you ain't gonna eat me for a while.
Speaker 2: And past summer slim. I feel like that is all desert.
That's all desert. What are we gonna get guys? Oh man,
I can't wait for that. Lyra's Soul Survivor Series cage match.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah hell. Isn't it great that Lyra has
barely had the opportunity to catch her breath or even
get in the vicinity of be a character that people
are supposed to give a shit about at all, and
they're already gonna just shift gears and be like, all right,
Lyra now you're gonna make soul look good?
Speaker 2: So what ooh what about Cody cmpunk five at Survivors series?
What be day?
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's rough outs here. But once again, when
I'm watching the show and La Knight's cutting this promo
and he is fully entrenched in the I am the underdog.
I'm saying the thing that this the audience wants to
hear me say this, and I'm like, yeah, the audience
at home, that's that's how much they've fucked this thing up.
Where half a dozen years ago, seven years ago, eight
years ago, the guy, you know, even when Sena was
there for foxs sake, anyone that would have looked at
John Cena you're full of shit. Oh yeah, woo. Now
these people can't even look at go Roman Reigns, you're
full of shit because the crowd's like, but.
Speaker 2: I like Roman, I like him, use my tribal chief.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The problem is when you say things like this, they
hear you fucking call out Roman like this and Roman
fans and they think that you're talking directly about them.
They really do. As opposed to just talking about the
blanket understated problem of the way that WWE has made
the mistake of pushing this guy releemlessly for years. It
isn't Roman. It could have been anyone. It could have
been Jay Luso, and boy did they want it to be.
It could have been It could have been a lot
of people. It just happens to be Roman. So if
you're a Roman fan, don't take it personally. Wwe could
have plugged and played anybody into this f and roll.
And that's the problem is that it could have been anybody.
So why couldn't it have been somebody talented?
Speaker 1: Wow, someone who even would register as slightly above average?
Speaker 2: Right, right? So it doesn't have you know, slur of
blood disease.
Speaker 1: I just see it, right, what compounded with the fact
that they're barely there at all, ever, and seemingly that's okay.
I just it is such a revisionist and I know
WW is great at that. They're great at the revision
history because it's wrestling. It's a farce. You're selling me
a car. I get it, Like, I know what you're doing.
And sure, but we've gotten to this point where it's
like the Roman Reigne Samoan thing and it's like, like
I said, him and Seth come out and they cut
promos on each other and the crowd just sits there
and they're like just but their heads that they're just
like fucking buzzing because they don't know what to do.
They don't have any really, all they know is they
are like, that's what I like. I'm here for this.
Yay Roman, Yay Seth.
Speaker 2: Is there any emotions reactions from a women's tennis match, Dude,
it's just it's quiet. It's crickets watching this ship half
the time, and it's just it's embarrassing because this is
these are the guys that are representing the company and
arguably the second biggest show of the year, I mean,
if you want to believe that or not.
Speaker 1: But and and really like just anything involving the Shield guys,
the Shield like it's just slop. And I know they
kept showing, they kept showing these match, Like look at
the history between Roman and Seth throughout the years, and
I'm like, yeah, we know, we know, we know, we
all fucking saw it. And I'm sure someone goes, well,
not everybody's fucking what.
Speaker 2: We know it's not Back when was with Lana, remember
those days, Remember those days?
Speaker 1: Look at this this ancient history, right WWE and how
important it is.
Speaker 2: Kevin Owens was beating the ship out of Johnson, Remember
those days, Remember those days? Which this is it?
Speaker 1: And I know because the point of conversation is always
well Roman Reigne Sina and people try to pretend like
they're even comparable. I'm like, for as much as you
dislike Sena or could have hated seen her throughout the years,
and Seena is so fucking overpushed and this that or
the other thing, there's it at least that if you
were paying attention, there's a half a dozen John Cena
moments every year or every other year, towards the tail
end of the last let's say, even half decade of
his career that mattered, that were interesting. Roman Reigns in
a fifteen year run had the bloodline, which was everyone
else plus him, and that's it.
Speaker 2: The difference is is the character core Joe Sina represented
a style of babyface that was very eighties. He was pure,
he was unadultered, he was what he was no matter what,
so win, lose, like, dislike whatever. Roman Reigns tried to
make it cool to be the guy that doesn't try,
and unfortunately that was more than just a gimmick that
ended up being part of his personality. It feels like,
you know, so when you dislike Sena or the way
that Sina was presented, that's fine because Sena represented something
that you didn't like. Roman is too busy being middle
of the road guy for anybody to give a shit anyways.
Speaker 1: It's and the people that are buying into that, you
can't talk them out of it, you know.
Speaker 2: And I remember, I think I made this.
Speaker 1: Point towards like the end of the NBA Finals or
whatever the fuck, where that became a thing in the
NBA somewhat recently, where it's the non chalant NBA era,
you know, where the players doesn't give a fuck.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, hey, you know SGA, you won the MVP,
and he's just like nice, right, It's.
Speaker 2: Like, can you enjoy something? Please? Pretty please? Can you
at least fiend? Like, it doesn't matter if people think
you're cool or not for liking or for doing something
for yourself. And that's that's that entire fucking I don't
even know if it's a generational thing or whatever the
fuck it is, but it's just this entire personality archetype
that's seen as cool and entertaining and cutting edge. Now
it's like, oh, you're so edgy because you don't care
about anything. Look, dude, I'm fucking I'm getting close to
fifty and I still don't fucking care. Jesus, not cool
or edgy, you're an asshole.
Speaker 1: Well there's also like, you know, I guess it goes
back to it and it shows you just the sharp
change and mindset of people right where it was really
easy to make fun of Cody for a hot minute
because Cody.
Speaker 2: Cared so much.
Speaker 1: Right like even going back to the aw days where
Cody would be like hysterically sobbing because he had a
match on Wednesday against fucking Brian Cage or something, and
you're like, all right, like let's relax. This is like yes,
if Cody, But now I'm already getting to a point
where I'm slightly nostalgic for three years ago because Cody
at least cared, at least he seemed to give a fuck.
Was it did he overact? Was it corny at points?
Speaker 2: Yes? Of course? You know.
Speaker 1: Was he a cheeseball draped in an American flag holding
a sparkler?
Speaker 2: Sure, but they wouldn't turn him heel. I mean, honestly,
I think that that was the trajectory of that story,
that that would have made it perfect. As Cody continues
to be a babyface, continues to tell people about his
love for his father and his love for wrestling and
proving it, and the fans just eventually become lazed and
don't give a shit. And then that's when you turn
Cody heel. That's when you give him the simple storyline
of fuck you too, and then people would have loved him,
which would have been the fucking just the way everything works.
Speaker 1: But and this is and this is what's funny, right
because whoever, somebody just put up a picture of old
Randy Orton somebody knew in their wrestling life, or shout
out to them, Uh, it's Randy Orton. Randy Orton was
kind of almost like the start of that nonchalant wrestler
guy twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: Wasn't Billy Kidman? Yeah right, No?
Speaker 1: I think he was more so just like in Shock,
like he's like Tory Wilson.
Speaker 2: How the fuck did I hear that?
Speaker 1: Like he's just he's just walking on eggshells trying to
not fuck that up. I think that was was this
old thing maybe.
Speaker 2: But here's the funny thing.
Speaker 1: Someone I could see say like, well like Raven, and
I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no.
Raven cared too much. He would hide his insecurities by
being the guy that was like, I am a crestfallen
you know, I am a crew that lives in the
Eucharist of the fucking whatever. You know, Like this was
Randy did kind of stop become that guy who was
like the out give I don't even give a fuck,
but everyone else around him gave a fuck. And who
was the guy that always was a step above rand
Yorton John Cena, who gave all the fucks. And now
we're at this point where we're back to Roman Reigns,
who doesn't fucking care about anything.
Speaker 2: See I was gonna guess Rick Flair, but yeah.
Speaker 1: No, well Rick Flair cares about things in the way
that like a severely brain damaged alcoholic for.
Speaker 2: You know, where are my glass? Very well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like he's like method acting.
Speaker 2: My goodness, did he ja came Phoenix sees uh, sees
Ric Flair and goes take it down and you're a
little away that tend un wreck.
Speaker 1: Ah joy it, Oh my god, poor Well that's lyra huh.
By the way, like I it is funny to me
because I did take a sense of relief though from
the Satura I main event review, where I did see,
like if you clicked on any sort of thing that
was posted about it on any of the Sports Center,
any ESPN, all that shit, every comment was like this
is fucking stupid. I saw very very little positive reaction
to it in a way that I was like, all right, good,
maybe I'm just not overly being a curmudgeon here because
just regular people that are tuned into ESPN or tuned
into Sports Center looking at this, going what is this shit?
Speaker 2: What is this? This is stupid? And that's the best
part too, is I saw that we were getting a
lot of shots. You know, they're like, hey, you guys
are the one just weeks ago talking about ww we
needs cater to casuals. And it's like, look, there's a
difference because I don't think casuals are finding this shit
attractive either, you know what I mean. And and even
if you're and I know we were talking about that earlier,
about dumping the hardcore fans, it's like that's what you're doing.
You're separating the hardcore fans from the casuals. It's like,
is there a way to maybe do it so that
you keep both Like why isn't the goal to make
everyone happy? Why isn't the goal to give both sides
just enough to keep their bet their bequet. You know,
it's right, it's weird that you have to the only
way that you can show success is by dumping out
a major part of your audience and then just catering
to this tepid new audience that may or may not
be with you past Summer Slam.
Speaker 1: Right, every every year, and I know this year was
a bigger example of it, but every year there's a
cry baby shit fit about who is the halftime show
of the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: Every year whoever it is.
Speaker 1: This year was more so because you know, we're fucking
speak American or whatever the fuck. But every year it's like, well,
I don't know why a football fad would want us
see Shakira. It's like, because, believe it or not, not,
everybody is you motherfucker because we're casting a huge net, right,
but we're also having Shakira come out and be Shakira.
We're not having Shakira do the fucking kickoff, you know,
Like Shakira is not kicking the fucking you know, and
now to kick the extra point out comes Ricky Martin,
Like they're not doing that. However, the funny thing is
in wrestling, you can have those things, you can have
those people involved in That is what makes it different
and interesting to where you go back to the trope.
Of course the most recent one. We don't even want
to go back to the eighties even but like Mike Tice,
Mike Tyson, you know, punching Sean Michaels. If Mike Tyson
just stored next to Sean Michaels and stared blankly, would
anyone remember that?
Speaker 2: No, No, because it's not a Well there was also
something that WWE doesn't highlight. Ww he's not going to
give you highlights of that. And then that's where that
audience that you threw away would know what that is.
But this is why WW I understand why they want
the casual audience. I really do. Financially, it makes perfect
sense because you don't even need shows like Unreal like
they can use shows like Unreal to create those casual
audiences that think that they're deeper fans than they actually are.
So now they have the mindset of, oh, I'm not
just a fan out now I've watched Unreal, I'm a
hardcore fan. I've been watching Unreal for three seasons. I
know everything there is to know about wrestling. I've seen
all the behind the scenes stuff, and now that's what
you're gonna get. So when you have these moments where
people step outside of the box and make references to
the earlier days, you know it's it's gonna be lost
on them. And chances are not only will it be
lost on them, but it'll be lost on the idea
of even doing it, because then it's like, wrestlers, who
are you doing this for? If nobody fucking gets it
in the audience?
Speaker 1: Right, But it's what is what is any of this
being done for? But also with the celebrity thing, And
I'm just referencing the Jalen Brunson thing because it's the
soonest thing that oh okay, yes, yeah, And I noticed
Anna also said something like has a somebody ever? Has
a celebrity ever heard anybody? And it's like, well, yeah,
Travis Scott, And that's why Travis Scott fucking.
Speaker 2: Run away to the They did try to bring him
back at least two other times after that, they just
weren't sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why we don't really talk about that anymore,
because he just he busted Cody's ear drum like a dipshit.
But that's kind of the point of why you even
have the celebrity on there to begin with an indie show,
where you'd have the local fucking radio DJ, you know,
come out or the high school principal at the fucking
you know indie show. He's gonna give someone a stone
cold stunner. Whoa, he's gonna hit somebody with an RKO
if he's Telsey and physically, you know, no one's taken
the seventy five year old woman principle and saying, all right,
Canadian destroyer, all right, Margaret, you gotta flip flip Margaret jump. Yeah,
I don't know what's wrong with this Margaret. No work rate. Yeah,
that's whoever she's just she's not even trying out there.
But no, like, that's that's what it was. That's what
you would do, like even like TNA, Jeff Jarrett, Toby
Keith hits you with the fucking guitar right, Like Toby
Keith didn't just come out there and play your courtesy
of the Red, White, and Blue and then fuck off.
Like the point is you put the people on the
show to have the crossover, to have the moment of
the physicality, and a real interaction becomes memorable.
Speaker 2: And the thing is that there's plenty of examples of
good interactions with Like, look, did anybody think that Drew
Carrey was really healthy? Did anything? Did anybody look at
Pete Rose and go, man, that's a healthy individual. Hey, hey, Kine,
can you tombstone him like twelve to twelve years in
a row?
Speaker 1: Like make sure his head is eleven inches off the ground.
But that's a point, Like the point of the crossover
is the physicality. It's pro wrestling, and that's what makes
it a moment, and that's what makes it interesting. That
what makes it different. We people could shoot on Snooky
Beig in WrestleMania, but Snooky try to thing.
Speaker 2: Dude, not even just that. Even if you want to
go back to basketball players, Dennis Rodman and Carl Malone
did more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the fuck, I mean, we kind of
want to pretend to cow cam alone. I think Camlone
and Jerry Lawler might have had some good boy you
might be in that fucking cor ride.
Speaker 2: No school zones a lot stop at the same school. Yeah,
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Guys, what's what all these lollipops in this car? It's
fucking unsettling.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's it's just Pokemon cards and fucking
Gotcha pods that see what's going on? Boys? Yeah, I'll
tell you what.
Speaker 1: It was kind of strange, but a lot of candy
in the car, a lot of hide.
Speaker 2: Snacks, candy hills. You know, It's just.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I want to do that one again.
Speaker 2: But uh, I was it was, it was, it was.
Speaker 1: It was an interesting rude yeah, but no, like that's
that is why you do that.
Speaker 2: That's why you do that.
Speaker 1: Fucking even you know, I don't want to see Tom
Brady do it, but I'm accepting it as an inevitability.
But Tom Brady's like, yeah, I gotta slap Logan Paul
because that's the point, the physicality of it. That's that's
what wrestling is. But that's it. It's like just to
have someone just stand there next to someone gives a fuck,
gives a fuck.
Speaker 2: It's for no one.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is for the This is for the casuals
who want to see them raise a belt and fireworks
go on off.
Speaker 2: Who is that? Who is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, couple, you know, I get it, Like I'm not
trying to shoot on New York again, but it's like, yeah,
guys in New York wearing Tim's being like yeah, it's down.
That's fucking down, ass or whatever the fuck they say, like, yeah,
this is great, whooped the ship.
Speaker 2: I just want to thank New York for their purchase
of purchases of timber Timberland boots from me. I just
thank you very much.
Speaker 1: They're helping you out.
Speaker 2: They're doing a good job, doing a great job in
New York.
Speaker 1: So yeah, keep buying them, keep buying them. Shout out
Jada kiss my favorite New Yorker.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it is raw in general, and what they're trying
to do with the stories and the different people on
the show. It's a character study. It's not a television
show anymore. Like I said, it's a character study. You
look at what they're talking about.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about characters. Let's talk about Jacob Fasu.
Speaker 1: Oh oh my god, I.
Speaker 2: I don't wow. I mean the joke about neutering Jacob
fatu was bad enough when Cole said it, but now
it's almost like they're trying to follow through. And now
he's getting the finger pointed at his chest because it's
going like, you can't do ship. You can't do ship
because your boss didn't tell you to do ship. Pussy
do I get you? Is my bitch? You like you
can juggle my balls after I win the bound from
your old man. It's like Jesus Christ, I know what
he's like. But the treble chief told me to do it.
But but but but but but shut up water boy, Like.
Speaker 1: The mama said, I can't hit you.
Speaker 2: Roman said, Roma is not okay.
Speaker 1: I hit you like this is once again we are
we are come up with new creative ways to make
people fucking completely useless.
Speaker 2: To make Romans to make money useless.
Speaker 4: There Jacob thoughts who had a genuine, decent following, and
it's like, who's gonna stay in this guy's corner watching
him be a bitch for Roman for no reason other
than he got chili pepper necklace.
Speaker 2: You got chili pepper neicks. I gotta obey? Is he gonna?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna stand up to him? Someday who cares.
Speaker 2: Probably yes, probably not, because that's not the story. The bloodline.
You fall in line and that's it, and if you don't,
you're out of the family. There's nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes nowhere and it never ends. That's what
it is. It goes nowhere and it never ends. And Jacob,
like you said, you took a cool guy. He took
an actual interesting, cool guy and now he's just a
little suckophant again and the biggest mistake. And now they're
months removed from it, so they can't ever go back
to it. But with Cole saying that on commentary and
then Jacob Otu not responding to it, you're dead in
the water.
Speaker 2: You're dead in the water. That's it. That is fucking
this point.
Speaker 1: I know he should like that's that is one of
those moments where, like I said, if this had happened
at any other time in pro wrestling, Michael Cole would
have walked to the back and gotten fucking punched in
the face and they would have been right to hit him.
Speaker 2: Note I got to give Michael Cole and Corey Graves credit.
This week they pulled a Bobby and Gorilla bit that
actually had me laughing my ass off when they were
talking about how much Otis stinks as a person, like
he just smells. Corey was doing his best to be
Bobby and fucking Michael Cole on point is just doing
the will you stop, and I fucking I laughed. I
fucking howell. They caught me off guard. Them just making
fun of Otis's odor was just it was classic. It
was classics.
Speaker 1: But you know what is killing me though, is I'm
waiting for the Michael cole retirement because I want Corey
doing play by play and I Kevin Owens, if you
are done, please be done and get Michael Cole off commentary.
Let Corey Graves be the straight man. You do color commentary.
I'm fucking begging for that announced team. Not because I
think Corey Graves is like the greatest fucking thing in
the world, but he's a good straight man when he
does triple A. And I think a guy like Kevin Owens,
who actually is a seasoned wrestler, the audience knows he's quick,
he's sharp, he's funny, he has a pedigree. He could
make the show interesting. They desperately need something like that.
Speaker 2: They've had those a few times over the years. I
think even Booker t was funny once once upon a time.
I liked Wade for a while there too. Way it
feels so watered down, and it's almost like he's been
beaten into this shell of his former self. So it's
not as if all the color commentary guys have been bad.
But yeah, Kevin Owens, it would absolutely be refreshing to
have him in there.
Speaker 1: So imagine him with a straight man, Corey Graves. That
would actually be good. That'd be good. And yes they did.
They have their moments. Michael Cole and Corey Graves have
their moments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I was very surprised. Like I said, I
had to point it out. It was just it was odd,
it was funny. It caught me off guard, and it
was it was absolutely eighties stick. It's absolutely Gorilla and
Bobby Stick that they were doing to start off the shot.
Speaker 1: But then they did then they kind of wiped that,
kind of wiped that whole good moment out when later
on they did the thing with La Knight and him
laying into Roman and then the commentators have no idea
how to react to it because all they've been told
to do for fifteen years is talk about how amazing
Roman reigns is. They're like, what do I say? It's
like Stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 2: They're like, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: We don't know how. They had no idea how to
respond to what he had said. And Cory Graves, who's
supposed to be like the light heel of the show
or whatever. He's supposed to be the voice of the
people in the audience, or he's supposed to kind of
punch things up. How doesn't he make any reference to
the fact of anything La Knight's at Oh he doesn't say. Yeah,
he doesn't go you know what, La Knight. You know
he's got a point there for what it's worth. Yeah,
he might be the tribal chief now, but what do
we just kind of pretend that all that didn't happen,
that he used to come out here begging for people
to cheer for him, and babba baba bah nothing.
Speaker 2: Nothing.
Speaker 1: There's no reference to it, because the whole show is
built around a guy who's nonchalant and barely there and
doesn't give a fuck and is probably the least talented,
most overpushed professional wrestler of all time. My fucking words,
on that. Anybody who'd like to present me with someone
else who has been pushed for fifteen straight years, Dan Housen. Yeah,
that's right. If in the year twenty forty one, that's serious.
Right now, in the year twenty forty one, if Dan
Housen is still coming out, yeah, going uh getting pushed,
that would be a little much, don't you think?
Speaker 2: Oh he kept no as Sean's right, He's like, how
about Cole calling Joe Henry Joe Henry. I thought he
was calling him John Henry. He's calling him John Hendry,
and Corey's like, no, that's his dad, He's Joe or
some shit like that. Well that, to be.
Speaker 1: Fair, that's a really hard name to remember.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean he could have called him John Henry.
I mean that would have been really confusing at that point.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the way I gotta say Joe Hendry. He
like in his match, he's starting to do little like
power moves and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like that they're kind of doing that with him
as a character where it's like, hey, listen, you think
he's kind of a silly guy, and he is. He's
got the blonde hair and the big smile, and he's
playing silly songs. But you know what, like when push
comes to shove, if he's got to pick a bitch
up and throw on me, can I that's good. That's
at least something that they're.
Speaker 2: Trying something to grow from when they get tired of
making him wacky white dude, when they're tired of making
wacky yeah, wacky singing white dude. It's it's kind of
like an Elias, but hopefully not like an Elias.
Speaker 1: Where Elias was a fucking jack tope.
Speaker 2: Murderer. Like Elias is the guy you pick up on
the side of a California road and you don't know
if we're going to make it to the next town.
You know, That's what Elias always looked like to me.
It's like a fucking murdering hippie is what I always
thought Elias was supposed to be.
Speaker 1: But Elias was the guy that you went to school
with where everyone picked on him and you were like,
does this guy know he could kick the fuck out everyone?
Speaker 2: He just has barken stocks with like black toes, you know, just.
Speaker 1: Like you just like now you're an adult and you
think about it, You're like, oh, his dad must have
been horrible. To him, how did that.
Speaker 2: Kid not stand up for himself?
Speaker 1: Like you're like, he just sit there and take it.
He was half a foot taller than everyone. Why then
you're like, oh, yeah, oh his dad was a state cop.
That makes that Ah now we know.
Speaker 2: Oh there you go.
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, you jump with me. Just comes
home at one am fucking drunk from Applebee's. Like you
can just you're just filling the brother now yeah, Lyra, Yeah,
stumbling in with Lyra, Mommy, don't tell your mom. He's like,
mom's right there, don't tell her anyways.
Speaker 2: You get at school again. I'm really loving belligerent Lyra.
I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just uh, I don't well, honest to god, it's
kind of it's only funny more so because of the
fact that you know, she's just this cutesy little nerd girl,
you know, like you know, like we know she's not
some fucking drunk. We know, we know she probably thinks
he's gross. Come on, like we don't. She's like I
was around drunk, irish runkles my whole life, and this
is still a little much.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: We we know we've seen her, We've seen her husband,
who's like it's like dorky, little like Lord of the
Rings looking motherfucker, like that's who she is, like, which
maybe that's also it too. It goes back to the
KFA aspect of it, where you know Lyra's you know,
itching herself and we're like, stop, that's not of this
girl is. She's a cute, little nerd, cut, little nerdy
Irish girl that you know, had some toughness to her,
she's got some scrap to her. Do that with her
instead of whatever the fuck this is? You know, like,
why are we once again just swimming against the tides
for no fucking reason? Hey, Roxanne, are you a four
foot eleven, adorable, little like Latina girl that you know
could fight and claw and actually can work matches? Yeah, well,
why don't we just make you a fucking heel for
two straight years and have it not work in any
vicinity whatsoever. Let's just keep doing that.
Speaker 2: That's a great idea. Why do I still think the
meanest thing that people were saying and she's the new
Nikki Cross, Like, that's just that is a sad ending.
It's a sad ending.
Speaker 1: But if there's too many similarities for people to not
draw that.
Speaker 2: Let's help it. It's still a little early. It's a
little early to to give her the nicky cross band aid.
Speaker 1: You know you are if you are rounding up, sir, Right,
She's only.
Speaker 2: One tour of duty here in w w Euen.
Speaker 1: Fucking Maybe some other goth character will pass away and
then she gets to play a spooky doll. Here's guys,
maybe somebody, yeah, maybe someone else will have an untimely passing,
and then she'll get to play a fucking Annabelle haunted doll,
and then she'll milk another three four years of paydays
out of it. On the show, we got to get the.
Speaker 2: Other things on this show. We got uh pent Yeah,
Penta and Chad Cable versus Page and Russev. Look, the
Russev ship is corn It is fucking corn There they are.
They are better than this. Russev should be a murdering machine.
Yet again, not a cornball for Ethan Page. Russ being
a cornball devalues Ethan Page. Ethan Page looks like a
dork and an idiot for siding with a cornball as
opposed to commoning up with a fucking murder.
Speaker 1: Hid behind a beast.
Speaker 2: Right and the match though fantastic. Again, this is one
of those cherry moments that you have to pick and choose. Yeah,
Penta and Chad Gable, Chad.
Speaker 1: Gable breaking out of Russ's lock like that.
Speaker 2: I mean that shit was cool. Like I enjoyed that.
It was arguably the best match of the night. I
think we only got two matches though, so you know,
oh I did.
Speaker 1: I did see a little I mean, come on, it
was a very muted reaction. I'm not going to sit
here and say like the world was on fire about it,
but I saw a couple of people being like, uh,
there was some anger towards the booking of rob because
there were no women's matches, and I'm like, shut, oh, stop,
cut it out, cut it out. Give you o Sky
a goddamn day off.
Speaker 2: The poor girl. I just want one day off.
Speaker 1: Just want don't go out there get kicked by Raquel, bitch,
that's your job.
Speaker 2: No like that.
Speaker 1: That, Honest to god, I was laughing when I first
saw that. I'm like, all right, stop, there's a lot
of things to shoot on the show about in the
booking and triple h and whatever, but like they've really,
honest to god, done a good job as far as
like having women's matches on the show once again. EO,
I guess uh that are are good. They've done a
good job with that. So it just so happened one
week they didn't put a women's match on it. Let's
let's chill the fuck out, you know. Yeah, but yeah,
so what else happened on this on this weird ass show?
Speaker 2: We went through Dan Hausen and Joe, We went through
the U, the Penta and Chad Gable Friends for Now
a bit with Ethan and russev. Oh what else? We
got Oba Femi and Forehead. H Yeah, that was that
was a quick little That was a quick little I mean,
of course, he squashed the ship out of JD. Like
what did anybody expect? Like they mentioned it last week
as if there was any chance that oh JD might win. Guys, Yeah,
you taking that best?
Speaker 1: I love I do kind of love how JD even
though he's another guy where personality is not there. There
is no personality, but he's a little bit of a try.
Speaker 2: He just wants to make his boy happy. But they're
also not.
Speaker 1: They're also not expecting him to sit there and do
five ten minute long promost and ship like he's, oh yeah,
he's just kind of we know what he's good for.
We know he's going to give you a good match.
He's going to sell his ass off, he's going to
make whoever he's going against look good. And that's his role.
And they're fine with that. But no, the old but
thing like him killing people like that, I was a
good good That's what we should have been doing for
you know, the last month and a half. That's what
should have actually have been happening. However, on the flip
side of that, uh, Paul Hayman, And did he say
a single thing in that promo? Nothing he said, abs
of fucking lutely nothing, barely, Like he's like the only
person who had as good of a rookie year as
Brack listener is op Femi. And it's like, okay, all right,
all right, so one thing you said, one thing, Now,
let's stretch that out for three and a half minutes.
Let's not and you're he's Paul Hayman, right, everybody bow Paul. Yeah,
you can make chicken shit, you know, chicken salad of
chicken shit, YadA YadA, But he had nothing to work with.
Speaker 2: Hayman doesn't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. He
makes you eat chicken shit and then tells you it's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yummy. Did you chaste the pickle on there?
I don't think there was a pickle on there. There
was a pile on there. There's a pickle on there.
Speaker 2: That's Paul. That's Paul's magic ability right there. Now you're
eating chicken shit. But it's delicious, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he was like, Brocklesner has never lost a
hell in his sound. I'm like, all right, So.
Speaker 2: We could have been Oh, I absolutely could have. But
I think the promise of the promo was to try
and sit there and say that Obafemi is going to
leave WWE, go to UFC and become champion there. So
that's what I got out of the promo. Yeah, he's
gonna go play for the Minnesota Vikings and get cut
in the first.
Speaker 1: Off, and then he's gonna beat He's going to beat
people to death with thirty pounds of rotted poop in them.
Speaker 2: Yes, asked half full. Hey can you hear that? Yeah?
Thats yes, she's calling right now. What you're saying about me? Yeah,
I'm no Lyra Valcaria.
Speaker 1: I'm better than her.
Speaker 2: I swear my career went down without the without a
whiskey sour.
Speaker 1: She's like, have you heard anything about any Spooky Doll openings?
Any openings in the Spooky Dolls apartment?
Speaker 2: Do I have to show my feet like Sarah Logan?
Remember remember the Vikings?
Speaker 1: Were they doing somewhere doing something in Mexico.
Speaker 2: I think that was the last time we saw was
in Mexico. Right.
Speaker 1: Oh by the way, okay, rest in peace of the
street profits they disappeared again.
Speaker 2: To Hey, congratulations on that big push Montes. Yeah, that's
just nice.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that they they just and they're just gone again,
all right, I see later, guys, thanks for that thanks
to a locker. Uh poor mont has Man Pomon Like
at this point, I.
Speaker 2: Am saying it's because their their wives are about to
give birth.
Speaker 1: Oh a loti dah, I guess that's.
Speaker 2: That's a likely excuse. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, by the time this show comes out,
if they if they had kids, then I'll be your
horses patuit my apologies, but I'm the only reason why
I'm saying that is because I'm rooting for the motherfucker.
I want him on the show. Not saying that to
be I'm not being like, how dare he'd be with
she's going into labor. I'm just saying like, the guy
is so fucking talented, and I wish he was actually
getting featured on the show. But you know, I guess
there's some omens to put on. Make sure sure there's
some owens. They got to have them there where. How
did we almost forget about that too? We got to
make sure we covered the.
Speaker 2: And Seth thing.
Speaker 1: I like Solo was now dressed up like getting arrested
Andrew Tait.
Speaker 2: That's his look. I guess he looks like a game
show tacos. It's just I don't know. The weird red
pink salmon blazer.
Speaker 1: And he wears it all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah too? Is that like a Samoan color? Is that
what that is?
Speaker 1: Is he representing for the Bloods? Is that what's going on?
Because I remember that was Jacob's thing for a while. Well,
I think they kind of told him to tone that
down once they put together they were like, oh, kind
of wearing gang colors every week. Maybe we can't align
that with our advertisements for wings.
Speaker 2: Stops trying to Jesus no, that is that is very weird.
Speaker 1: Him in the suit every single it looks awful.
Speaker 2: He's been doing it for a while, but it's just
I don't know why he thinks it's flattering. I mean,
it's not even wrestling flattering. Matter of fact, it's funny
because every other Samoan guy that comes out is usually
wearing a stylish suit. When they want to dress up,
they really can't. From the Rock to Roman, like all
of them, they really can't dress up. Except for Solo.
Solo dresses like he shops at the kids section or
something like. No, you're right.
Speaker 1: They dress him like a cute ring bearer, right right, yeah,
you know, someone like us, like a little kid, and they're.
Speaker 2: Like, oh look it cute out.
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna come down with the flower girl.
Speaker 2: It's like, na, Solo has a novelty suit, like I
wouldn't be surprised if there was like a plastic flower
with like a little squeeze thing to make water shoot out.
It's just he doesn't look like a real person. He's
a cartoon character. The hair doesn't help the jay usso
fucking throwback hair is not helping him. He looks is stuck. Yeah,
it is.
Speaker 1: It is very much.
Speaker 2: So, You're right.
Speaker 1: It's like a it's like an extra in the Mask
starring Jim Carrey.
Speaker 2: He looks every single he looks more like a grown
up when he was in the fucking Bloodline. Yeah, oh,
you're right. Why doesn't he like.
Speaker 1: He can just wear a button up shirt? That's fine.
Speaker 2: Shirt. I love that we could solve all of Solo's
problems just with like a trip to Old Navy or
some ship.
Speaker 1: You know, right, go to a men's warehouse. Fine, yeah, turtle,
someone who doesn't want to dress you like Kat Williams
and you do that, just honest to god, It's like,
what who he is? Like, I'm here to fight my
family and I'm dead ass serious by the way, like
I used dead ass earlier too, but they just like,
I'm here to help fight, I'm going to stand up
for It's like, then, what is this?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: What is this? What is this outfit? Why are you
constantly dressed like this? Did somebody tell you that this
is going to make people take you seriously? Being in
like little red loafers and shit? No, put on of
like I said, put on a button up shirt and
some dress bands.
Speaker 2: I always thought heels were supposed to be cutting edge anyways.
I always thought heels, I mean, unless they're like a
comedy heel. But if you're a serious heel, I always
thought that they're the ones that are supposed to look good.
They're supposed to be the ones that are fashionable, that
have that aura, you know, and solo, unless they're trying
to make him a comedy character, which it doesn't feel like.
I know he's a comedic guy, but I don't look
at him in the same vein of the way that
they're pushing like a Hendry or or a fucking dominic now,
you know.
Speaker 1: But now that he's a baby face, Now that he's
a babyface, why is he? I guess right. I mean,
we just have to assume.
Speaker 2: The show because they wrestled together once, so now he's
a good guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, is he a good guy who knows.
Speaker 2: Like another successful turn angle on WWE television? Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1: Let's assume. Let's assume he's supposed to be the babyface
in the situation, since he's technically aligned with two people
who are babyfaces, even though one doesn't get the reaction
you should because he showed up three weeks ago and
the other one's shitting on Roman reigns. But he's performing
in front of a bunch of Disney adults, so they
don't know what to do. Why is he still in
the same shit as when he was doing the heel
mob boss character on SmackDown with the C Team? Samoans like,
he should be look, he should be presented differently, he
should look differently. And also, Doug, why are you sneaking
into the building dressed like a road cone? Like a
stop sign?
Speaker 2: Like He's like, I'm sneaking in.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you mean the guy in the bright red
fucking suit top to bottom? The fuck Like, that's that's
your that's your sneaky outfit. Yes, it's a it's annoying
when every wrestler wears black pants and a black hoodie
to sneak in all the time. Yes, that is annoying.
They did that to death. But also maybe, like, I
don't know, don't dress like a fucking road flare so
everyone goes, oh, there he is.
Speaker 2: There is is the fact that they all settled on
it and he was cool with it just shows me
the mindset that they have for him serious nothing. It's
not like it's not like they did this one week
and then the next week it was gone, and nobody
ever mentions the blazer again, the car salesman blazer. But
he's been rolling with that thing for a while now,
so clearly he he thinks the car blazer is a
great idea. Holy, it's getting me so much attention, this
this blazer.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I'll give him this, I'll give him this.
Royce Keys came out looking like he was a regular
not a regular guy, jack as fuck, but like he's
in a tank top and jeans, and it's like flattering,
like you go, that's a god. I don't want to
fuck with that guy. Like it's flattering, like you go, oh,
that's a dude that he's coming at you and he's
trying to punch you. No bueno, that's some scary shit.
But yeah, solo is you know, I'm moving away from
my family and what is this?
Speaker 2: Honestly I kind of feel like it should be the
other way And maybe you'd agree with me on this
one or not. But considering that the bloodline, you know,
Roman and Jay and little j all kind of look
the same and they're kind of wearing the same stick,
the very americanized casual like clothes and stuff. I'm surprised
Solo doesn't go straight fucking like Haku or fucking super
Fly Snooka, Like, I mean, why doesn't he Why doesn't
he go a little more tribal, like if his whole.
Speaker 1: Means like when he was over, how he dressed.
Speaker 2: Well, so yeah, but that's what I'm saying is like,
if your whole thing is still fucking with the blood line,
because the bloodline doesn't represent you, you're not a part
of the family, blah blah blah, why wouldn't you go
back and kind of prove your point as a heel
because this is what I believe the blood line should be,
because I should be the leader of this type of bloodline.
Like they just don't, And all it is is what
they just give him a grass skirt and a couple
of bow necklaces or something like what the fuck do
they need to do? It's gotta be cheaper than that
fucking salmon blazer that they stole from Mark Henry's closet.
Speaker 1: Right well, like that like street Fighter just posted it.
That's what he looks like when he was over yes,
at yeah, that's the thing, like, put him in the
same shit, send him out there, tape his fucking hands up,
you know, like believe it or not. At this point,
that's not what no one else on the show was
looking like that, And it's a good look as opposed
to whatever the fuck this is. And you're looking at
this picture now, a lot of them leaving them laying
right where you know, Royce Keys in the middle looking huge,
still looking huge, l A Knight, still looking huge. And
then you look over to the right and it looks
like somebody toppled the build a bear.
Speaker 2: The black shirt almost makes him look like he's just
all belly. It's just it's awful.
Speaker 1: It's like he put on the black shirt for it
to be slimming, and it is doing the opposite.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's the fact kid wearing the shirt in the pool,
like just it's fine, man, Where your ship? Where your gear?
Speaker 2: All right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like even street Fighter just put it up there.
Speaker 2: You can keep that shield ship.
Speaker 1: He doesn't, I know, I know, but it's better than this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but everything is better than this. I genuinely
think you could go back tribal and still tell an
amazing story with Solo by making him stand out against
the family by being more family than family. He's more
bloodline than you. How how is that possible? Because he's
still representing the old world traditions while Roman is fucking
living his fast lane and his cars and his bitches,
and you got Jay and Little Jay out there doing
whatever the fuck they're doing. Here you have Solo representing
the old family traditions that Roman and Jay have forgotten about.
Speaker 1: You need a real catchphrase, like something to wear, a
shirt that has some whatever it might be. Like you're saying, like,
whatever the fuck something.
Speaker 2: I don't even think if he wants to do something
like that, I don't even think it should be in English.
I think if you want to connect him as a yeah,
fuck your heaven in the Native to have it in
the fatherland tongue, you know.
Speaker 1: Right, something Yeah, I know you're right, Like something that
differentiates him from it. Maybe that's it. Maybe you look
at him and you go, why are these guys? God
it stops.
Speaker 2: Hair, Stop with the multi colored fucking hair. Shit, grow
it out, start looking like some of your past, start
looking like the you know, the Segus and shit like
it's just.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, and it sounds mildly offensive, but
I don't give a fuck because I know where I
know where my heart is when I say this, and
I think people that are being honest with themselves know
what I mean. There's a reason that all of the
tiny little five foot tall Japanese girls in the whatever
Marabelle Marigold, like, there's a reason why they're like I
have purple hair, you have red hair. I have green hair.
Because if it was all just five foot tall Japanese girls.
Speaker 2: Then it would be nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll be nineteen ninety ve Yeah, but like I
get it. The brothers and they all look exactly the
fucking same, right, and they're all Samoan dudes, And yes,
you gotta do something so they look a little different.
Speaker 2: You gotta.
Speaker 1: So It's like I get why they want Solo to
be blonde, because it's like, Okay, look he looks different.
It stands out or whatever the fuck because he looks
like his brother his hair.
Speaker 2: Just growing his hair up with the actual outfits makes
him look different. Maybe even when he grows it all out,
shave the face go completely baby's face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something that gotta do something, and that when he
looked younger, that helped him, That really did when he
was younger, that you're you're right when he had the
goatee and the shit, and like they did everything they
could because he had such a youthful like he was
like twenty two or twenty three years old when he
first started, if I remember correctly, he's he's a kid
compared to the other too. But at this point, like, yeah,
they got to do something where he looks different than
the other ones. But yeah, the sending him out there
in the red suit, it almost makes it like it's goofy.
He's not taking it seriously in a way, like.
Speaker 2: He's not.
Speaker 1: Like I'm a defiant I'm here to fucking I'm like
he's acting like he's, you know, crossing the fucking picket
line or something like that, Like he's like, I'm standing
up against the you know, I I'm you know, not
going to do this. And it's like, but you look goofy.
Speaker 2: You look goofy.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it looks like a build a bear.
He's like a fucking tender heart bear with this with
his belly, and it's just it's not good, not good
but I'm rooting for so But honestly, God, of all
of them, Solo at this point has kind of even
in spite of the look, he's won me back because
I'm looking at it and I'm going maybe they can
pull something for him. And it makes sense to put
him with an l a night because Solo was legitimately
put into that kind of underneath subcategory of these are
the guys who are gonna push forever, your your brothers
in Roman and you can go fucking kick rocks. So
it makes sense that he would look at a guy
like La Knight and say, yeah, let's team up, dude, Like,
enough of this bullshit. This is ridiculous. But the presentation
is is cheeks. They gotta figure that out, they gotta
clean that up.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we're we're ready to wrap this up.
We got a show on Thursday tonight. There should be
another episode of LFG Blu Fisto and Jeff catching up
a little bit on some episodes this week, so you
got three episodes to catch up on a lot more
interest there, and then of course Thursday, myself and Joe
we'll be live for more wrestling soup and catch it
on the download or on page.
Speaker 1: You miny, did you watch I'm sorry, did you watch
the New Dark Side of the Ring yet?
Speaker 2: No? No, I have not, did you?
Speaker 1: Okay, I gotta no, I gotta find it so we
can talk.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, o WC show on Wednesday, So make sure
to check that out tonight. Of course, if you have
a chance, check out Spitball Media, check out Lee Saners
and the RCWR show. And if you have a chance,
to donate to Brian to help them him and his
wife out. She's going through some serious medical issues and
you can find that here on our discord too. So
but yeah, no, we'll talk about dark Sight on on Thursday.
I think that that's me if you find that.
Speaker 1: Passed it along to me too, because because I could
find the TNA episodes everywhere, because obviously that was considered,
you know, a bigger thing. But because it's the necro
Butcher and the CMO R Joe thing, they're not as
big on it apparently.
Speaker 2: Oh let me see, I'll tell you right now, if
I got it.
Speaker 1: It's not it, which, by the way, that to me,
and like any any fucking dark person, we know that story,
we know it well. But I see it obviously not
resonating with the audience.
Speaker 2: As much as it should. As much as it should.
Speaker 1: It's a fucking hell of a match, I mean in
terms of just a spectacle. You know, people don't know
it as well. And I guess what's his name too?
Whang Whang is on it?
Speaker 2: Seen him in the night.
Speaker 1: He was doing a w ship for for a hot
minute and then I and then I think he showed
up drunk and then swore on the pre show and
then they.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, now, did they take the week off? Is
that what happened?
Speaker 1: Because no, no, they definitely did it now, because that's
I've been seeing the ads for it left and right,
and I was at a debut last night. But now
I'm having a I'm having a little bit of a
harder time finding it. So fair enough, so if you,
if you can finally pass it along anybody else find it.
Just dropped me a message
Speaker 2: But well, M's love everyone Thursday, So he's a PI