Speaker 1: Oh bead of Thattar, Hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and I am the
Speaker 1: Cajun Night.
Speaker 2: And today.
Speaker 1: You know, it was brought to my attention that we
Speaker 1: go over so many conspiracies we do, and some of
Speaker 1: them are more obscure, some of them are more widely
Speaker 1: talked about, relatively well known within the conspiracy community. But
Speaker 1: you know, we have a lot of new listeners, We
Speaker 1: have a lot of people who are relatively new to
Speaker 1: the conspiratorial mindset, if you will, the Truther movement, as
Speaker 1: we say, because it's not conspiracy. So many of them
Speaker 1: have been confirmed. So you know, I figured on this
Speaker 1: episode we could take a step back and look at
Speaker 1: one of the oldest and most well known conspiracies that
Speaker 1: a lot of people know about but don't actually know
Speaker 1: much about, and that would be Freemasonry. And we're also
Speaker 1: going to tie in some Illuminati connections here. We're going
Speaker 1: to tie in some esotericism connections here. Some of the
Speaker 1: big key players here before we begin, Raven Lee. You
Speaker 1: know the Masons exist. You see their iconography, you see
Speaker 1: the bumper stickers, you see old white dudes of the
Speaker 1: fat ring on and they got the square encompass on it.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 4: I always see them.
Speaker 3: I started seeing them at the parades at the Mardi
Speaker 3: Gras festivals. Yeah, so that's where I was like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm like, what are these And they're at some of them,
Speaker 3: they're really prominent, and the shit they have like fifty
Speaker 3: floats and some of them, so it's like.
Speaker 4: A whole thing.
Speaker 1: So what you're thinking of with the parades would be
Speaker 1: the Shriners, which these dudes wear like a red fez
Speaker 1: and they have a little, yeah, a logo on it
Speaker 1: with usually an Arab looking name and a scimitar, and
Speaker 1: they're always around parades. They got these little little doom
Speaker 1: buggy looking carts that they ride around all these things.
Speaker 1: And then you probably have heard of like the Shriner's
Speaker 1: Charity Hospital. That's a big thing that we see a
Speaker 1: lot of, Like they're really tied in with charity hospitals
Speaker 1: for kids and a lot of freemasonry. Does go back
Speaker 1: to insane amounts of charity work. I think the last
Speaker 1: last time I really looked into it, they spend like
Speaker 1: two million a day on charity worldwide.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean a very well funded organization, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: And although their number are dwindling these days, they still
Speaker 1: have a lot of money coming in because throughout the years,
Speaker 1: different temples and different lodges have put their money into
Speaker 1: endowments that they are still the lodge is getting the
Speaker 1: benefit of these days. So for anybody who doesn't know,
Speaker 1: they are listed as a five oh one C ten
Speaker 1: nonprofit in a lot of places, and a five a'
Speaker 1: one C ten is a I actually don't know if
Speaker 1: they're listed as a five to oh one C ten
Speaker 1: or now a religious organization. I believe they would be
Speaker 1: classified as even though they are specifically non religious, a
Speaker 1: C ten versus a C three like you might have
Speaker 1: heard of, a C three you can donate money to
Speaker 1: other organizations, a C ten you can donate money to
Speaker 1: an individual if they meet a certain criteria. So I
Speaker 1: believe they're listed that way. But besides the point, they
Speaker 1: took a lot of because they paid dues. They pay
Speaker 1: monthly dues their members due to their lodge, and that
Speaker 1: money gets put in an account that later on the
Speaker 1: treasurer and the grand Master can take and put to
Speaker 1: words whatever they want as far as an investment goes,
Speaker 1: not to enrich themselves but to enrich the lodge, and
Speaker 1: that does in turn enrich the members because let's say
Speaker 1: a freemason gets in some sort of legal trouble, whatever
Speaker 1: the case may be, his lodge will fund his legal fees.
Speaker 2: Like they will absolutely feel the bill.
Speaker 1: Yeah unless it's okay, if it's like a murder and
Speaker 1: like multiple murders went down, I don't believe the lodge
Speaker 1: is going to fund that.
Speaker 2: But divorce court or some.
Speaker 1: Sort of a DWI situation or yeah, yeah, the lodge
Speaker 1: will absolutely cover the lawyer costs one hundred percent. And
Speaker 1: you know, let's say you have a brother that gets
Speaker 1: hurt on the job and he, you know, can't pay
Speaker 1: his bills. The lodge will start sending some money his way.
Speaker 1: And that's what I mean. They're able to send money
Speaker 1: to an individual rather than just an organization. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of benefits that a lot of freemasons get
Speaker 1: from joining these lodges. And uh, not only of the
Speaker 1: camaraderie and of the networking that they get, but but
Speaker 1: also some financial things. However, yes, there are dues involved.
Speaker 1: You have to go to meetings, it's a whole thing.
Speaker 1: So we see these dudes at parades and in certain
Speaker 1: case You'll even see some that are claiming that they're
Speaker 1: Knight's templars, right, and so these are two sides of
Speaker 1: the same coin as far as freemasonry is concerned. And
Speaker 1: so I'm getting way ahead of myself here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is more.
Speaker 1: This is more or less what you'll see in our
Speaker 1: every day you know, comings and goings.
Speaker 2: You'll see the logos on the back of the cars.
Speaker 4: We have a lot of them down here, A lot.
Speaker 3: I would say, like one in five cars will have
Speaker 3: a type of logo on it. So there's a lot,
Speaker 3: like every day, I see it consistently. So absolutely why
Speaker 3: I brought this to your attention was because I've had
Speaker 3: people talk about this, and to be fair, I do
Speaker 3: know I feel like I know a bit about a bit,
Speaker 3: but I also feel like there's so much information when
Speaker 3: it comes to this, and there's a lot of misinformation
Speaker 3: too that like when people are asking me, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, I know somebody that knows a lot more
Speaker 3: in depth history that can actually explain it. And for
Speaker 3: those that we have of new listeners that are just
Speaker 3: trying to understand the basis of what the hell the
Speaker 3: world has been doing for the last you know, two
Speaker 3: three hundred years or something. Then this is kind of
Speaker 3: one of those topics of you know, where did it begin,
Speaker 3: how did it actually start? Is it the same thing
Speaker 3: as the Knight's Templar, how are they different? And like,
Speaker 3: you know, all of the questions that people have is
Speaker 3: you know, I was hoping that you could shed some
Speaker 3: light for the new cult members and kind of break
Speaker 3: it all down for everybody.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So that's what we're going to do on this episode,
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Speaker 1: Without further ado, let me go ahead and share the screen,
Speaker 1: and we are gonna get started. Actually know what. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna share the screen just yet. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: paint a picture. I'm gonna paint a picture for everybody. Okay.
Speaker 1: The year is circle way fucking back in the day, okay,
Speaker 1: and we have the year of our Lord.
Speaker 4: You have to say it correctly. Way the fuck yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And essentially you have these guys who are of a
Speaker 1: more educated mindset. And I don't mean educated in the
Speaker 1: traditional sense of uh oh, well, this is a doctor,
Speaker 1: this is a noble class, or whatever the case is,
Speaker 1: although that would definitely come in. You basically had a
Speaker 1: network of dudes that were trying to not only help themselves,
Speaker 1: think of a like a mafia almost, you know, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's a networking opportunity and they're in the club, so
Speaker 1: to speak. So they get hooked up whenever they get
Speaker 1: in a jam, because you know, they just reach out
Speaker 1: to some of their other guys in the club, so
Speaker 1: to speak. And so cut to it's the Middle Ages,
Speaker 1: and we have these these builders of all these great
Speaker 1: castles and all these things, and you would have certain
Speaker 1: tricks of the trade for these trades guilds, right like
Speaker 1: the stone mason guild or the blacksmith guild or the
Speaker 1: carpentry guild. Yeah, any old guy can get out there
Speaker 1: and start busting up some rocks, for sure, but to
Speaker 1: carve them in a specific way to get a certain
Speaker 1: thing that you're wanting to get a certain look, to
Speaker 1: get a certain geometri Jesus Christ, geometric pattern, emetric words,
Speaker 1: things and stuff. Then things you would need.
Speaker 2: To be taught by a journeyman.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It's the same concept as far as kraft work goes today.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to be a welder, yeah, sure you
Speaker 1: could buy a welding machine, buy some rods and like
Speaker 1: fiddle fuck around in your garage and yeah, you could
Speaker 1: probably make some stuff stick. But if you're trying to
Speaker 1: become a master at welding, you would want to get
Speaker 1: hooked up with a journeyman who's been doing it for
Speaker 1: years that you could apprentice under. And this stands to
Speaker 1: reason it's still done to this day. So the Stonemason
Speaker 1: Guild was very particular about who they would allow to
Speaker 1: learn their craft. All of them were, but the Stonemasons
Speaker 1: were special because they were the ones that were constructing castles,
Speaker 1: they were the ones that were constructing churches. They saw
Speaker 1: their craft as spiritual and also physical. Yes, but you
Speaker 1: can't just not any old thing is going to go
Speaker 1: into building, not tre dome, right, It's yeah, you have
Speaker 1: to have a real set of skills blessed by God
Speaker 1: to put your hands on the building blocks of what would.
Speaker 2: Become his house.
Speaker 1: That makes sense clearly, right, And this goes back they
Speaker 1: came up with these stories, right, And a lot of
Speaker 1: these people, keep in mind, were illiterate back in the
Speaker 1: Middle Ages. So whenever you would get hooked up with
Speaker 1: the stone Mason Guild, people understood math, the very basics
Speaker 1: of you know, arithmetic, but not all things could be
Speaker 1: written down in a manual, so to speak, because most
Speaker 1: of the Stonemasons weren't literate to that level. So they
Speaker 1: would be taught in stories, and they would be shown
Speaker 1: with iconography, and you would have this journeyman who would
Speaker 1: be teaching somebody how to do this, and as they're
Speaker 1: talking about how you would carve this out of this rock,
Speaker 1: very similar to when Moses smashed the rock and water
Speaker 1: came out.
Speaker 2: And you see what I'm saying. They would like find ways.
Speaker 1: To imbue spiritual and oftentimes biblical stories into their craft work,
Speaker 1: and that story is very similar to how oral traditions
Speaker 1: have been passed down for forever, same principle, but instead
Speaker 1: of an oral tradition to teach why the stars are
Speaker 1: the way they are, these traditions are being used in
Speaker 1: the principle of stone mason crafting.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, so okay, So it's like a fancy get
Speaker 3: together of smarter people to have apprentices underneath.
Speaker 1: So essentially as far as stone masons go, yes, but
Speaker 1: they would there's a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 1: iconography behind that as well.
Speaker 2: The reason why they wear a lambskin apron, right.
Speaker 1: And the reason why they use the compass in square,
Speaker 1: The reason why they have hammers and trowels in their
Speaker 1: mix is because these are the tools of the stone masonry.
Speaker 2: Now the lambskin.
Speaker 1: Apron. That goes back to the original stone Masons as well,
Speaker 1: because they would use lambskin it was readily available, and
Speaker 1: basically they would just cut the head off and they
Speaker 1: would use the legs of the leather and wrap that
Speaker 1: around their waist to make an apron, and they would
Speaker 1: wrap the front legs around each of the thighs to
Speaker 1: cover up their entire from their waist to their knees
Speaker 1: so that they wouldn't damage their clothes and catch a
Speaker 1: random shard of rock, as they're essentially grand scale flintnapping, right,
Speaker 1: And so the apron has its origins in that. However,
Speaker 1: modern Freemasons will make the connection to the Garden of
Speaker 1: Eden and how the first clothing ever created biblically speaking
Speaker 1: was fig leaves. And what did Adam and Eve do
Speaker 1: with these fig leaves? They made aprons to cover their nakedness.
Speaker 3: M h.
Speaker 1: So they find ways of, like I said, imbuing spiritual
Speaker 1: narratives into the craft work itself. You see what I'm saying. Ok? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Middle Ages come around and the Stonemason's Guild. A
Speaker 1: lot of their secrets are their secrets, and at this
Speaker 1: point it's not necessarily of the esoteric variety.
Speaker 2: It's craft secrets, right, trade secrets, if you will.
Speaker 1: Then we get into the renaissance, where now people are
Speaker 1: starting to think outside the box. They're starting to take
Speaker 1: in Eastern philosophy and shirk off the yokes of old
Speaker 1: school traditionalism, or at least what they thought it was anyway.
Speaker 1: And there is a renaissance not just of the culture,
Speaker 1: but of masonry. And this is around the time when
Speaker 1: what we see as free and accepted masonry comes into
Speaker 1: the forefront. There are sigils that are carved into rocks
Speaker 1: that date back to the fifteen hundreds of the Square
Speaker 1: and Compass. But we're starting to get into murky territory.
Speaker 1: Whether that was freemasonry or if that was stone masonry,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. There's a little bit of
Speaker 1: controversy and a little bit of back and forth debate
Speaker 1: on that. But some will say that freemasonry dates back
Speaker 1: all the way to the building of the Temple of Solomon,
Speaker 1: which is what Freemasons believe.
Speaker 4: It's a a far back way, it is.
Speaker 1: Indeed, and that's also why a lot of their iconography
Speaker 1: goes back to that, why they have the grand worsh
Speaker 1: full master and adult.
Speaker 3: They weren't practicing, and they didn't actually have a group
Speaker 3: though until like later on.
Speaker 4: Then how did it go all the way back?
Speaker 1: They claim that this group operated in secret for centuries
Speaker 1: and it only became a prominently well known thing around
Speaker 1: the time of the Renaissance.
Speaker 3: Okay, but if they had no like actual anything written down,
Speaker 3: or they don't know anybody that was a part of
Speaker 3: the secret society or anything, so they just made it up.
Speaker 2: Yes and no.
Speaker 1: Hell, depending on who you asked, they'll say that they
Speaker 1: actually are the ones that built the Pyramids of Egypt
Speaker 1: were clearly Freemasons.
Speaker 3: Wow, there's got a lot of bolster. They they really
Speaker 3: feel like they did a lot.
Speaker 1: They do, and a lot of the principles that they
Speaker 1: teach come out of Hermetic Cobbalism, but that came about later.
Speaker 1: We're going to get to that in a bit. But anyway,
Speaker 1: all right, so according to them, according to their story,
Speaker 1: they claimed directly from the knights templars, which okay, is
Speaker 1: a bold claim and I disagree with it for multiple reasons.
Speaker 2: Uh, basically all historical.
Speaker 1: To be completely honest with you, So all right, cut
Speaker 1: back you ever see national treasure of course, of course.
Speaker 1: So of course you remember whenever they were talking about
Speaker 1: the Templar gold, that it made its way here from
Speaker 1: the Freemasons, who took their name off the builders of
Speaker 1: the Great Pyramids and the temples in Egypt. That is
Speaker 1: not that's not exactly a direct connection like people might
Speaker 1: be thinking, because the temples in Egypt and the Pyramids
Speaker 1: were built, you know, twenty five hundred BC. So you're
Speaker 1: telling me for upwards of three thousand years the Freemasons
Speaker 1: were operating in secret and no one knew about it.
Speaker 1: I find this highly unlikely. So the Freemasons as we
Speaker 1: know today really came about sixteen hundreds seventeen hundreds. They
Speaker 1: started becoming a thing that people like understood were operating
Speaker 1: right and around the same time the Illuminati became a thing,
Speaker 1: and we're going to get to them in specific here
Speaker 1: in a bit. So the Knights Templars, for anybody who
Speaker 1: does not know, were a group of warrior monks blessed
Speaker 1: by the Pope to operate in and around the Holy
Speaker 1: Land and protect pilgrims. They were able to own land.
Speaker 1: They actually, in the craziest turn of events ever, somehow
Speaker 1: they were able to convince the pope to not pay
Speaker 1: taxes or tithes, which y'all got to understand how fucking
Speaker 1: wild that was for this day and age. For you
Speaker 1: to be a ecumenical order to not pay taxes to
Speaker 1: your local lord. Okay, you can probably get away with that,
Speaker 1: to not pay tithes to the local church. Basically, this
Speaker 1: was a group that was only answerable to the Pope himself.
Speaker 1: Kings had to acknowledge the fact that that knights templars
Speaker 1: were untouchable. This is this is fucking insane for the
Speaker 1: day and.
Speaker 4: Age, I don't think.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They also formed the first system of we might
Speaker 1: call international banking. So the knights templars would traveling to
Speaker 1: and from Jerusalem on a pilgrimage, which a lot of
Speaker 1: Christians did back in these days, which I would love
Speaker 1: to do one of these days.
Speaker 2: You couldn't just carry.
Speaker 1: Around all of the gold and all the money you're
Speaker 1: gonna need for the next year of your life, because
Speaker 1: you'll get bandits attack you on the road, right, And
Speaker 1: this is a thing that a lot of the Islamic
Speaker 1: bandits were doing to the Christian pilgrims who were going
Speaker 1: unarmed because they're on pilgrimage. So the Knights Templar started
Speaker 1: out as a way to protect these pilgrims. But then
Speaker 1: they realize, what if we were to do this, What
Speaker 1: if we were to set up a spot in Jerusalem
Speaker 1: or in Acker or wherever in Jaffa where we would
Speaker 1: have a storehouse full of gold, and we have a
Speaker 1: spot in Paris and in Rome and in all these
Speaker 1: places full of gold. And basically, let's say, old boy
Speaker 1: gives me one hundred gold pieces and I will write
Speaker 1: him a ledger what we today might call a check,
Speaker 1: and this person instead of carrying around one hundred pieces
Speaker 1: of gold, they'll carry this paper ledger with them, and
Speaker 1: then once they get to their location, we'll give them
Speaker 1: equal parts gold with interest, of course, which is also
Speaker 1: my God. The fact that they charged interest was that
Speaker 1: was seen as evil for the DNA, But the Knights
Speaker 1: Templars were allowed to charge interest again, blessed by the
Speaker 1: Pope to do so so.
Speaker 4: Share They weren't Jews, you.
Speaker 2: Would think, you would think, but no, no, they weren't. Uh.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, they.
Speaker 1: Were kind of They were not too kind of the
Speaker 1: Jews to be completely honest with you, but that you know, historically.
Speaker 2: Speaking, neither were the Muslims.
Speaker 1: So is what it is. But anyway, so they would
Speaker 1: have this international banking system set up, and they were
Speaker 1: allowed to own land. As a matter of fact, at
Speaker 1: one point in time they bought Cyprus, like the island
Speaker 1: of Cyprus, which that was because of Richard the lion Heart,
Speaker 1: and that was a whole other thing. But beside the point,
Speaker 1: the Templar Knights, who started off being so poor that
Speaker 1: two knights had to share the same horse, became this
Speaker 1: internationally overly well like more wealthy than any king organization.
Speaker 1: Because of that, they got the boot, they were tortured,
Speaker 1: they were arrested, They had drummed up charges about all
Speaker 1: these heretical things that they were doing. Some were saying
Speaker 1: inappropriate kisses, some were saying spitting on the cross, some
Speaker 1: were saying that they were worshiping the head of John
Speaker 1: the Baptist. There's so many stories, so many stories about
Speaker 1: what the knights Templars were doing that made them actually
Speaker 1: super evil. Even though like a hundred years after they
Speaker 1: were all burned at the stake and all these things,
Speaker 1: a lot of church fathers came up and was like, hey,
Speaker 1: by the way, they totally didn't do that like that,
Speaker 1: that understandably did not happen. And then Pope Francis, if
Speaker 1: you're not mistaken, actually publicly released all of the information
Speaker 1: to say no, the Knights Templar were absolutely not doing
Speaker 1: anything evil behind closed doors. All of that was drummed up.
Speaker 1: Charges were sorry, so it's understood.
Speaker 4: We killed all these people, but like, ma bad.
Speaker 2: The Catholic Church be doing that.
Speaker 4: Sometimes the Catholic Church be doing that quite a bit.
Speaker 1: They do, yeah, they do. So the Knights Templars went underground.
Speaker 1: A lot of them were murdered, a lot of them
Speaker 1: were arrested, but there was a few that escaped to Portugal,
Speaker 1: which was seen as a safe haven for the Knights Templars.
Speaker 1: And there are still a few groups of Templar Knights
Speaker 1: that do claim direct lineage from the original Templars that
Speaker 1: are out of Portugal, and I have to tell you
Speaker 1: they have the strongest claim of anyone else on earth
Speaker 1: by and large, because they can actually prove that historically
Speaker 1: and documents in all the things. The last grand Master
Speaker 1: of the Knights Templars was a guy named Jacques de Molat.
Speaker 1: He's a French dude, and for over a year they
Speaker 1: brutally medieval tortured this guy to get all these confessions out.
Speaker 1: One day he was burned at the stake in view
Speaker 1: of Notre Dame, and he put out a curse on
Speaker 1: the King of France who arrested him, and the Pope
Speaker 1: who over saw it and said, before a year is up,
Speaker 1: I will see you before a tribunal in front of God.
Speaker 2: Both of those dudes are dead within a year.
Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, Wow, so all the things okay, so they
Speaker 3: came first.
Speaker 1: Then this is where then came. Well, this is where
Speaker 1: the legend begins. Because when the knights Templars were arrested,
Speaker 1: all of their storehouses which were full of gold, their banks,
Speaker 1: they think of their big banking hubs, they're big vaults.
Speaker 1: When they were arrested the green gods, let's think about that,
Speaker 1: the Knight's templar version of green gods all over Europe,
Speaker 1: all over what in one spot, hundreds of these locations.
Speaker 1: When they were arrested, all of the guards went in
Speaker 1: to snatch the gold. Not a single piece was ever found, really,
Speaker 1: not a single piece.
Speaker 3: So either to this day, to this day, the gee's
Speaker 3: got it.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you, I think that they
Speaker 1: had some inside knowledge because they were very well funded
Speaker 1: and very well plugged in. So when the King of
Speaker 1: France decided that he was going to come and excommunicate
Speaker 1: them and do well, the pope ex communicate the king
Speaker 1: arrested them. I have a weird feeling that somebody in
Speaker 1: the king's court overheard the conversation and got word to
Speaker 1: the knight's templars and they got all the gold out
Speaker 1: there a week prior to them getting arrested. It happened
Speaker 1: on October thirteenth, as a matter of fact, which most
Speaker 1: historians would say is why October or Friday the thirteenth
Speaker 1: is seen as a unlucky day.
Speaker 2: It goes back to this.
Speaker 1: So none of the gold was ever found, and there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of groups that still to this day will
Speaker 1: claim that that's where they got their austatious wealth from
Speaker 1: is from templar gold or something like that. I am
Speaker 1: of the belief that a lot of it made its
Speaker 1: way to Portugal, some of it made its way to England,
Speaker 1: some of it made its way to the northern European countries.
Speaker 1: Whatever the case, there's all kinds of people that claim
Speaker 1: that they know what happened, but nothing is concrete. So
Speaker 1: the Knight's templar, some of them went underground with their gold.
Speaker 1: Some of them were just never seen of again. But
Speaker 1: here is where the Mason templar connection starts and stops.
Speaker 1: And then a new myth and legend picked up. So
Speaker 1: Jacques de Molay he gets burned at the stake. His
Speaker 1: second in command who took over after him, was a
Speaker 1: dude named Larminius. Larminius wrote a charter which we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about here in a bit. I got a section
Speaker 1: of it pulled up specifically. In this charter he talks
Speaker 1: about how there is a group of templars in Scotland
Speaker 1: that are not associated with the actual knights templars. They
Speaker 1: do not hold true to the templar values, they do
Speaker 1: not hold true to Christianity. These templars are not us,
Speaker 1: the people in Scotland. We're operating out of a place
Speaker 1: called Rosalind Chapel. And if you've ever seen the Da
Speaker 1: Vinci Code, that would be the Roslyn Chapel in question,
Speaker 1: which is a real place and that is what a
Speaker 1: lot of people would say would be the birthplace of Freemasons.
Speaker 1: So the actual Knights Templars is said that this group
Speaker 1: that later became Freemasons are not true templars yet somehow
Speaker 1: the Freemasons have two routes you could take, right, so
Speaker 1: you have your first basic levels. There's thirty three degrees
Speaker 1: in regular freemasonry, blue side free masonry, if you will.
Speaker 1: Three is usually the number of the people will get
Speaker 1: to entered apprentice, and then uh, what's the next one?
Speaker 1: Fellowship apprentice or something like that, and then master Mason,
Speaker 1: which is the third level. And you could stop there
Speaker 1: and just chill there for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: But if you want to go further into masonry, you
Speaker 1: have to choose Scottish right or York right, i e.
Speaker 1: Knights Templars or Shriners.
Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1: So this is where the templar connection comes.
Speaker 3: So this is like the Knights templar that they're claiming
Speaker 3: is the fake ones, not the true ones.
Speaker 4: Yes, Oh okay, okay, So you.
Speaker 1: Know what with that one. Let's go ahead and share
Speaker 1: the screen and we're gonna play a quick little clip
Speaker 1: about Rosalind Chapel and templars. And there's iconography that would
Speaker 1: say that, oh, clearly the Knights Templers are here. This
Speaker 1: is what we would call a forgery. But beside the point,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and share the screen. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about it more so. Now, let's talk about the Rosalind
Speaker 1: Chapel in Scotland and why so many people believe that
Speaker 1: this is where the Templars ran to and hid, even
Speaker 1: though again we're gonna talk about the charter itself in
Speaker 1: a minute, but let's talk about Roslin Chapel first.
Speaker 5: A building is just a building until it becomes part
Speaker 5: of a story, and the story becomes part of a legend.
Speaker 5: That's what happened to Rosalind Chapel, located just seven miles
Speaker 5: southeast of Edinburgh, Scotland. The chapel was founded in fourteen
Speaker 5: forty six by Sir Williams and Clair as a Roman
Speaker 5: Catholic collegiate church, meaning it was self governing, with financial
Speaker 5: support coming from the Sinclair family. What really made Rosalind
Speaker 5: Chapel famous was the twenty three publication of Dan Brown's
Speaker 5: best selling mystery novel The Da Vinci Code. This was
Speaker 5: followed by the huge box office success of the movie
Speaker 5: version in twenty oh six starring Tom Hanks. Rosalind Chapel
Speaker 5: now welcomes about one hundred forty thousand visitors each year.
Speaker 5: It's an easy, inexpensive public bus ride from the heart
Speaker 5: of Edinburgh. The number twenty two bus takes you to
Speaker 5: the village of Roslin, just a short walk from the chapel.
Speaker 5: Indoor photography is not permitted, but published images and outdoor
Speaker 5: photography give you an idea of the intricate masonry and
Speaker 5: carving that first made it famous. The chapel we see
Speaker 5: today took about forty years to complete, but it's less
Speaker 5: than half the size that was planned by Sir William.
Speaker 5: He died in fourteen eighty four and his heirs apparently
Speaker 5: decided it was big enough. A little over one hundred
Speaker 5: years after the chapel was completed, the Protestant Reformation swept
Speaker 5: over Scotland. The Saint Clair's were worn to close the
Speaker 5: chapel or risk losing their land and possibly their lives.
Speaker 5: They complied. The chapel sat abandoned and neglected for almost
Speaker 5: one hundred fifty years. At one point during the English
Speaker 5: Civil War, Oliver Cromwell stabled horses in the chapel. In
Speaker 5: sixteen sixty the old Roslyn Inn open next door. It
Speaker 5: attracted artists, writers, aristocrats and royals. The great Scottish writer
Speaker 5: Sir Walter Scott campaigned to restore the chapel as part
Speaker 5: of an effort to build national pride and identity. The
Speaker 5: first major renovation began in eighteen thirty seven. The legend
Speaker 5: that attracted Dan Brown was the possible link between the
Speaker 5: chapel and a religious order of warrior knights called the
Speaker 5: Knights Templar. They provided protection to pilgrims who flocked to
Speaker 5: the Holy Land after the Crusades. In the process, they
Speaker 5: became very rich and very powerful. They built a fort
Speaker 5: on top of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. When the
Speaker 5: Crusaders were driven out of the Holy Land they returned
Speaker 5: to Europe. French King Philip convinced the Pope to disband
Speaker 5: the Templars. Eventually there were mass arrests and executions, but
Speaker 5: some got away and may have been able to take
Speaker 5: some of the Templar treasure and holy relics collected in Jerusalem,
Speaker 5: most notably the Holy Grail, the cup Jesus used at
Speaker 5: the Last Supper with them. Many believed the Templars became
Speaker 5: Masons and created the Order of Freemasonry, and that the
Speaker 5: Masons who built Rosalind Chapel did so with the idea
Speaker 5: of making it a sacred place to house the gray
Speaker 5: and other sacred objects. Is that real history or just
Speaker 5: a good story. Whatever people believe, it's bringing them back
Speaker 5: to Rosslyn.
Speaker 1: So breaking this down the reason why and back to
Speaker 1: the history lesson here. The reason why the Knights Templars
Speaker 1: were called the Knights Templars was actually they started off
Speaker 1: being the poor Knights of Christ. That was their official
Speaker 1: name in the papal bowl from the Pope. But they
Speaker 1: were used in a couple of big military campaigns. They
Speaker 1: retook the city of Jerusalem and then they were given
Speaker 1: the site of what once was the Temple, the Solomon's Temple,
Speaker 1: the holy spot where the Jews for years would do
Speaker 1: their big things right, So when they got there, there
Speaker 1: was about ten years where they didn't really do much.
Speaker 1: Some speculated that they started digging and excavating underneath the
Speaker 1: temple and where they found a bunch of holy relics
Speaker 1: that were underneath. In some of these like I don't
Speaker 1: want to say underground caves, but basically like the basement
Speaker 1: levels of the original site of the temple. They later
Speaker 1: were called Templar Knights and then later just Templars because
Speaker 1: they took the Temple of Solomon. Okay, okay, I.
Speaker 4: Didn't actually know the history of how they got their
Speaker 4: name at all.
Speaker 2: Right, okay, fair enough, fair enough. And that's is part
Speaker 2: of the.
Speaker 1: Reason why we're doing this episode. We're just going in deep,
Speaker 1: you know, so tell me Allegedly they found certain relics.
Speaker 1: And I don't like the fact that he even brought
Speaker 1: up the Holy Grail. Here's the deal, y'all. The Holy
Speaker 1: Grail doesn't exist. I hate to be that asshole.
Speaker 4: You don't think it exists.
Speaker 1: It only gets brought up in Middle Aged Romantic literature
Speaker 1: the same way that King Arthur's sword Excalibur.
Speaker 2: Gets brought up.
Speaker 3: You are not gonna say that Excalaber doesn't exist or
Speaker 3: the Lady in the Lake doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's rude.
Speaker 1: King Arthur being a play a dude, sure, a Camelot
Speaker 1: being a spot okay, fine, Merlin being a druid wizard, okay, fine, sure,
Speaker 1: for sure. But the part itself Excalibur, and that's the thing,
Speaker 1: perfect example, was it the Lady in the lake or
Speaker 1: did he pull the sword from the stone. Mmmmm.
Speaker 3: See, yep, there's if I and I don't even want
Speaker 3: to be incorrect about this. I feel like at one
Speaker 3: point the lady in the lake gave it to him,
Speaker 3: and then something happened.
Speaker 4: Then he ended up having to pull it from the
Speaker 4: stone too.
Speaker 1: So I've actually never heard that there was a connection
Speaker 1: between the two counts. Depending on the las you go down,
Speaker 1: either A it was given to him by a lady
Speaker 1: in the lake, or B only the true king can
Speaker 1: pull the sword from the stone, and this ten year
Speaker 1: old comes up and yanks it.
Speaker 2: But that's my point, Hannah.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what you look up on this one
Speaker 1: because there is no set story, because this is not true.
Speaker 1: This is a legend Excalibur itself. Yeah, maybe King Arthur
Speaker 1: had a sword he called Excalibri, but the backstory of
Speaker 1: its complete fabrication because it was about romantic literature. The
Speaker 1: same could be said for the Holy Grail, the cup
Speaker 1: that Jesus drank from at the Last Supper.
Speaker 2: There is zero, zero, evidence at all.
Speaker 1: That the disciples or the apostles i should say, kept
Speaker 1: any of the plate in silverware and cups or anything
Speaker 1: from the Last Supper. Because keep in mind they all
Speaker 1: went into hiding immediately after he was taken and crucified
Speaker 1: and rose from the dead. That wasn't even their house
Speaker 1: they went to find. There was a random house that
Speaker 1: already had the Passover feast set up. It wasn't even
Speaker 1: their spot. That wasn't their cups, their plates or any
Speaker 1: of this shit. So the entire backstory that the Holy
Speaker 1: Grail and all these things that that's a complete historically speaking,
Speaker 1: a complete fabrication brought up around romantic literature.
Speaker 3: And so I feel like the Holy Grail might exist
Speaker 3: all Probably it probably is not, maybe honestly because of
Speaker 3: course India and Jones is like the best. But sure,
Speaker 3: you know, it was like the most simple cup because
Speaker 3: it was just like not anything fancy house that they
Speaker 3: were at so cold. It could had the cup existed,
Speaker 3: because you know whatever, they kept it because that was
Speaker 3: like the last thing that he touched.
Speaker 4: Maybe, so is it still around, Not highly probable, But you.
Speaker 2: Know, there's a few of them.
Speaker 1: There's a few of these artifacts that people talk about
Speaker 1: these days that again, if you want to believe in them, fine,
Speaker 1: you're you're not like a bad person or a bad
Speaker 1: Christian or whatever. You're not a bad or you know,
Speaker 1: you're not committing evil by believing that the Holy Grail
Speaker 1: is a real thing, or the longenest Spear is a
Speaker 1: real thing, or oh they had a fragment of the
Speaker 1: True Cross. But if you look at historical documentation, soldier
Speaker 1: that speared Jesus, maybe he did have a massive conversion
Speaker 1: and change his life and become a follower of the Way,
Speaker 1: and we would now call that Christianity. Possibly. Okay, why
Speaker 1: would he save his spear? Well, you know they say, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: See that's the thing. We're not going off of what
Speaker 1: they say. We're going off of historical documentation. And there
Speaker 1: is zero evidence that the dude who speared Jesus and
Speaker 1: the blood and water came out of him, There's zero
Speaker 1: evidence to say that he did anything with that spear.
Speaker 1: So all these people that are acting like the longen
Speaker 1: his spear is a real artifact, I'm sorry. There's zero
Speaker 1: evidence to suggest such same thing with the True Cross.
Speaker 1: So apparently big big Emperor dude who only converted because
Speaker 1: his mom pressured him into it, sends his mom to
Speaker 1: the Holy Land and she's actually the one that founded
Speaker 1: what we would now call the Church of the Holy Sepulcher,
Speaker 1: the spot where Jesus was crucified. Right, she goes and
Speaker 1: does all these things and does some I want to
Speaker 1: use the term archaeological digging, because this was before that
Speaker 1: term was even really used. But she finds allegedly a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of crazy artifacts that are super special. A
Speaker 1: part of it was a piece of the actual cross
Speaker 1: that Jesus was crucified on. So say her, and if
Speaker 1: you question her, you're questioning the king and you should
Speaker 1: be thrown in jail.
Speaker 2: This is the true fucking cross. Because I said, so.
Speaker 4: You yeah, like that's oh.
Speaker 3: To be fair, I did look up the history of
Speaker 3: the sword, so I was correct. There's two. So either
Speaker 3: there's two swords or the sword got repaired. So cause
Speaker 3: originally he got the sword from the stone and then
Speaker 3: it broke and then he got it repaired by the
Speaker 3: lady in the lake. So there's an argument that there's two,
Speaker 3: that there's either two swords or that it is the
Speaker 3: same sword that got repaired.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So if anyone wants to actually read the history of it,
Speaker 3: you can go to Ancient Word and Origins and they'll
Speaker 3: like break down the entire story.
Speaker 4: But I really I vibe.
Speaker 3: I vibe with Skyle, but I'm not gonna lie like
Speaker 3: it's a it's a great story.
Speaker 2: It's a story, and it is great and it does
Speaker 2: teach lessons and all these things.
Speaker 1: But like then we get into the conversation of the
Speaker 1: Green Knight versus Lancelot, which one's actually the bad guy?
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, Yeah, there's a lot of different versions of
Speaker 3: Lancelot and was he good?
Speaker 4: Was he bad?
Speaker 3: Was he envious that he actually you know, purposely go
Speaker 3: behind King Arthur, like there's a whole bunch of different
Speaker 3: variations of the story or no one will know the truth.
Speaker 1: Never because it's more possible that these are legends that
Speaker 1: were attributed to an ancient kingdom that probably existed.
Speaker 2: Yes, but all of these.
Speaker 1: Other story arcs and character arcs were kind of made
Speaker 1: famous from.
Speaker 2: Playwrights m.
Speaker 3: Well back to this though. So the Holy Grail they
Speaker 3: potentially found.
Speaker 2: Which again there's no record decision, which.
Speaker 4: Why would it be here? Of all places? It would not?
Speaker 4: I don't feel like so that's just me.
Speaker 2: So that's the other.
Speaker 1: Thing, right, they say that they found the Holy Grail
Speaker 1: underneath the Temple of Solomon. Just so we're all clear.
Speaker 1: The Temple of Solomon was housed by the dudes that
Speaker 1: murdered Jesus. Why the fuck would they keep the cup
Speaker 1: that the heretic they called Jesus.
Speaker 2: Why would they keep that?
Speaker 4: They didn't see that unless they thought it had magical powers.
Speaker 1: But again, there's no evidence to suggest this, and the
Speaker 1: Jews wouldn't give a fuck about that. They got their
Speaker 1: own version of things that have magical powers, and shit,
Speaker 1: it just it makes no sense. But yes, some say
Speaker 1: that the Knights Templar found the Holy Grail. Then you'll
Speaker 1: read Dan Brown's book and he'll say, actually, the Holy
Speaker 1: Grail is Mary Magdalene, and she and Jesus had babies,
Speaker 1: and that's the bloodlines that led to European royalty. And
Speaker 1: again there is less than zero evidence to say that
Speaker 1: actually existed. If anything, Mary Magdalene and John the Beloved
Speaker 1: might have been a couple. We know that they at
Speaker 1: least traveled to Ephesus together and died there, so there's
Speaker 1: more of it.
Speaker 2: If we're gonna say that that the apostle.
Speaker 1: John and Mary Magdalene may have had children together and
Speaker 1: maybe that bloodline became the royalty of Europe. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: talking about two apostles. Essentially, that would be wild as fuck.
Speaker 1: But the sci fi murder mystery Who done it? Book,
Speaker 1: the da Vinci cod says a whole nother story. But
Speaker 1: we're getting off topic. So they say that they found
Speaker 1: the Holy Grail. They say they found the head of
Speaker 1: John the Baptist. Also would be fucking wild because he
Speaker 1: was beheaded by Herod because his daughter wanted it because
Speaker 1: of her mom, who was jealous of John for calling
Speaker 1: her a whore basically publicly. But beside the point, nobody
Speaker 1: would have saved that. Nobody's gonna protect that relic. So
Speaker 1: it's just there's so many things that were attributed that
Speaker 1: the templars found that cannot be historically fact checked by
Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination. It's one of these things
Speaker 1: that just kind of became legend, kind of became lore,
Speaker 1: and now people just know that they had it, and
Speaker 1: it's like, but how how do we know that? But anyway,
Speaker 1: beside the point, so Roslyn Chapel, this is where the
Speaker 1: connection to knights, templars, and Freemasons start and stop. And
Speaker 1: again this goes back to Larminius. So the Larminius Charter
Speaker 1: is it's I'm gonna try to pronounce this. Karta Transmissionals
Speaker 1: Okay is a nineteenth century document claiming to prove the
Speaker 1: survival of the Knights Templars after thirteen fourteen by recording
Speaker 1: a secret lineage of grand masters starting with Johannes Marcus Larminius.
Speaker 1: And if you look up Larminius, he was in fact
Speaker 1: the second of command to Jacques de Molay, so once
Speaker 1: Molay died, this would have been his natural successor okay.
Speaker 1: It is widely considered a forgery by scholars and is
Speaker 1: distinct from traditions regarding templars in Scotland, but even within
Speaker 1: this charter, and this charter is currently housed at the
Speaker 1: Grand International Lodge of the Freemasons in London, England. This
Speaker 1: charter specifically says that the templars quote unquote that we're
Speaker 1: operating in Scotland are not true templars. Yet the Freemasons
Speaker 1: house this in their Grand Lodge and claimed that this
Speaker 1: is their connection to the Knights templars. Make it make sense?
Speaker 1: I can't, but like what, it's one of these things
Speaker 1: I suppose, so anyway, The charter focuses primarily on a
Speaker 1: continental French lineage of succession and makes no direct historical,
Speaker 1: substantiated link to continued Scottish templar organizations. Controversy and forgery.
Speaker 1: We might as well bring this up while we're talking
Speaker 1: about it. The document first appeared in eighteen oh four,
Speaker 1: so the document allegedly dates back to thirteen fourteen by
Speaker 1: an organization that was being aggressively and brutally hunted by
Speaker 1: every royal family on the European continent with the exception
Speaker 1: of Portugal, and somehow this document survived, give or take
Speaker 1: five hundred years, and was finally brought forward. It's generally
Speaker 1: seen as a forgery meant to bolster the authority of
Speaker 1: the neo templar groups i e. The Freemasons anyway, so
Speaker 1: that that I could pull up the actual genuine article itself.
Speaker 1: But there's no real need, Like I said, Historians even
Speaker 1: argue to this day of it's genuine or not, or
Speaker 1: if the copy that they have in the Grand Lodge
Speaker 1: might be a a recreation of the original or whatever.
Speaker 4: But even so, soundly, it's bullshit.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it's bullshit, but it.
Speaker 3: Sounds like they just made up some shit and they're like,
Speaker 3: you know that, But like, but why specifically, I guess
Speaker 3: who created the Freemasons, Like who is the founder of it?
Speaker 1: Well, that depends on who you ask, because the Freemasons
Speaker 1: will claim that it goes back to Hiram Abiff, who
Speaker 1: is one of the architects of the Temple of Solomon,
Speaker 1: original Temple of Solomon.
Speaker 4: Because it's like, okay, well who created it?
Speaker 3: So they would have they would have had to have
Speaker 3: knowledge of the Knights templar and like there are at
Speaker 3: least some of their information. And then fast forward to
Speaker 3: this time. So were they a historian, Like did they
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of interesting though, Like you'd had
Speaker 3: to have known about it. You'd had to have found
Speaker 3: the records and read about the specific group to understand
Speaker 3: kind of what they went.
Speaker 4: Through to be able to base this group off of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think, you would think, But then cut
Speaker 1: to the Renaissance. You have these groups that are operating
Speaker 1: in secret. And for the record, it wasn't just the Freemasons.
Speaker 1: There was all kinds of these aristocratic groups that would
Speaker 1: get together to discuss philosophy and they would exchange, you know,
Speaker 1: ideas about so many different things. Well, that's kind of
Speaker 1: the point of what freemasonry became, right, So it was
Speaker 1: no longer the craftsmen. You mean the dudes that are
Speaker 1: working with their hands. They're obviously not Masons. It's like, wait,
Speaker 1: they're stone Masons, Like the dudes are actually carving. Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking about people of a certain caliber, people of
Speaker 1: a certain mindset. It's a whole thing. It's a whole
Speaker 1: fucking thing. So around the Renaissance it became this philosophical group.
Speaker 1: Two of their main rules is that you do not
Speaker 1: discuss politics. You do not discuss religion, period fucking period. Now,
Speaker 1: to be a Freemason, you have to believe in some
Speaker 1: sort of divine power. It doesn't have to be God,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be uh Ahuramazda. It doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be uh you know, the Hindu, the elephant in Krishna,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You have to at least you can't
Speaker 1: be an atheist, like, you have to at least believe
Speaker 1: in some sort of a creator being or what they
Speaker 1: would call the divine architect.
Speaker 3: Okay, I actually thought this was more of a religious
Speaker 3: group than anything. More of like a culty religious group
Speaker 3: kind of.
Speaker 1: Vibe so it became that, but that's not what we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to that orig We're gonna get to that
Speaker 1: when we talk about Albert Pike. But so where it
Speaker 1: started from was basically around the Renaissance. Leave your religion
Speaker 1: at the door. We're here to discuss high minded conversation, philosophy, rhetoric,
Speaker 1: these types of things, basically scholarly debate and camaraderie and
Speaker 1: brotherhood and all these things and their rituals for joining
Speaker 1: actually go back to a murder that allegedly took place
Speaker 1: when really so back to the conversation about how they
Speaker 1: take their notes from mason guilds. Apparently there was a
Speaker 1: master mason on a job site who had his book
Speaker 1: that you know, had all the secrets of the tricks
Speaker 1: of the trade of masonry, and three of his younger
Speaker 1: guys wanted this book and decided that, like, yo, we
Speaker 1: want to know what these secrets are because we're trying
Speaker 1: to elevate ourselves. And he's like, no, you're not ready
Speaker 1: for them. And for the record, I don't mean spiritually,
Speaker 1: I mean this same conversation as you got this guy
Speaker 1: who's been doing this job for forty years, and you
Speaker 1: got these young cats have been in the field for
Speaker 1: two years and they're like, well, I want to make
Speaker 1: the same money as you. And it's like, no, you're
Speaker 1: not ready. You ain't paid your dues. You have to
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about before you get onto this.
Speaker 1: So they killed him. They killed him and stole the book. Okay,
Speaker 1: and this is the murder that has re enacted every
Speaker 1: time a Mason joins the order.
Speaker 3: Do you think that maybe one of the Stonemasons was
Speaker 3: hired to I don't know, maybe fix something that they
Speaker 3: were able to find the records of the Knights, Like
Speaker 3: they were hired by the church, and they found the
Speaker 3: records and they like read the records and then like
Speaker 3: they I don't know, word of mouth, it decided to
Speaker 3: create some kind of society like hey, these people were
Speaker 3: kind of cool back in the day, Like it's brow thing,
Speaker 3: like we could do this too.
Speaker 1: So how can I put this without sounding insulting to people?
Speaker 2: How much experience do you have with college fraternities.
Speaker 4: I'm I mean I know a good bit about them. Okay,
Speaker 4: I was gonna join a sorority.
Speaker 1: Okay, So every fraternity, if you ask them, will say
Speaker 1: that they are the ones that created beer pong.
Speaker 2: They were actually.
Speaker 1: The first Greek brotherhood in the United States. They were
Speaker 1: the first to create the beer pong as well. They
Speaker 1: all have these stories of legend and lord that make
Speaker 1: them the original and make them so much cooler than
Speaker 1: all the rest. It's all bullshit. It's all stories. It's
Speaker 1: all It doesn't matter who created it, but everyone claims
Speaker 1: that they were the first, they are the biggest, they
Speaker 1: are the oldest, all these things. It's the same with
Speaker 1: like motorcycle clubs, like the Hell's Angels believe that they
Speaker 1: are the biggest and the oldest. The Banditos believe they're
Speaker 1: the largest organization on Earth. The Outcast believes they're the
Speaker 1: biggest organizations. It doesn't it doesn't make a fuck. But
Speaker 1: same conversation here. The Freemasons basically created a bunch of
Speaker 1: stories about their origin and it just got repeated so
Speaker 1: many times that now it's indiscernible from the truth.
Speaker 3: Okay, I guess I was just trying to figure out
Speaker 3: exactly like how it got started and how they like
Speaker 3: linked themselves to a thing that was five hundred years previous.
Speaker 3: So in my mind, I'm just trying to follow the
Speaker 3: chain of events of like who did this? Like who
Speaker 3: who created this whole situation? And like how do they
Speaker 3: know about this? How do they get the information? And
Speaker 3: I guess my thought processes is they worked on a
Speaker 3: church for the Catholics, or they they found they were
Speaker 3: doing something to where they found the information and they
Speaker 3: were like, hey, I guess it sounds like a kind
Speaker 3: of a cool idea.
Speaker 4: Let's let's take this and run with it.
Speaker 1: It would stand to reason that it would have started
Speaker 1: with actual Stonemasons, because, like we're saying, they come up
Speaker 1: with these these spiritual stories to kind of juxtapose on
Speaker 1: to their craft in the building of these temples and things,
Speaker 1: and then perhaps somewhere along the way it did take
Speaker 1: more of a esoteric and spiritual meaning behind it. And
Speaker 1: then you get some guys that are of a higher
Speaker 1: mind and a little more educated. They're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: what are y'all talking about over there? Like hold on that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that kind of lines up with something I'm reading about
Speaker 1: in this ancient book.
Speaker 2: And over time, one thing leads to another.
Speaker 3: Well, when you look at the Renaissance, though, because that's
Speaker 3: when you really see a lot of the amazing stone
Speaker 3: work coming out again and so they were intermixed with
Speaker 3: the art groups, which were intermixed with the philosophy groups,
Speaker 3: and they were all interconnected to each other and having
Speaker 3: a lot of interesting conversations. And they had a lot
Speaker 3: of societal movements where they would invite multiple people in
Speaker 3: different areas together to showcase their work and then to
Speaker 3: have like these educated philosophy, theology and all this stuff
Speaker 3: kind of conversation. So I could see how, at least
Speaker 3: in my mind, how it would transverse.
Speaker 4: Into what it became.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's actually the chain of events,
Speaker 3: but at least in my mind, that's what I'm thinking
Speaker 3: it would be.
Speaker 1: I agree absolutely. So you know what, Okay, let's read this.
Speaker 1: This is from the Masons themselves. Here a brief history
Speaker 1: and philosophy of the Scottish Right. And I got another
Speaker 1: one pulled up about the York Right as well. So
Speaker 1: let's learn La France Lodge number ninety three. This is
Speaker 1: the ninety third lodge ever founded on Earth. So the
Speaker 1: introduction the first three degrees summarized the major differences that
Speaker 1: exist between the ancient and accepted Scottish Right, the aas R,
Speaker 1: and the English rights exhortations emphasize the universally universatility of freemasonry,
Speaker 1: and there is no chaplain among lodge officers to avoid
Speaker 1: any confusion whatsoever with religion. The questioning under the blindfold,
Speaker 1: the chain of union, the embrace, and the triple kiss
Speaker 1: of the candidate's godfather, which is a it's just a
Speaker 1: cheek kiss, It's not anything crazy. All repeated references to peace, love, joy,
Speaker 1: heart's affection, kindest virtues, and the red rose given to
Speaker 1: the initiate to be offered to the woman he esteems
Speaker 1: most create more affectionate feelings. Manually drawing the tracing board
Speaker 1: of each degree, the bitter Cup, the four purifying ordeals,
Speaker 1: the use of swords, the mirror, and the perjurer's corpse
Speaker 1: constitute a more sensorial approach, triggering a more emotional state
Speaker 1: of mind conductive to a more mystical disposition. I know
Speaker 1: we're going over a lot here, but we're gonna break
Speaker 1: it down, I promise. The use of the swords also
Speaker 1: gives the whole right a definitive chivalric flavor. The order
Speaker 1: differences relating to the principle offers the steps, the tools,
Speaker 1: the ruffians blows the winding, the winding staircase, and the
Speaker 1: middle chamber in the third degree and MB meaning the
Speaker 1: father's son or new life significantly modify the symbolism of
Speaker 1: the ritual. For the record, the Ruffians blow is when
Speaker 1: they get hit over the head with a hammer and
Speaker 1: they fall back into a coffin and this is when
Speaker 1: they do their mock death.
Speaker 2: So this is an image that you've.
Speaker 1: Probably seen on a lot of cars, right. So, and
Speaker 1: you see this number thirty two, The highest degree you
Speaker 1: could get is a thirty third degree mason, and this
Speaker 1: is of the Scottish rite. Thirty two is just below it.
Speaker 1: And to get to thirty three, the only place that
Speaker 1: you could do this is at the Grand Lodge in Washington, DC.
Speaker 1: And it's a wild, wild pyramid in the middle of Washington, DC.
Speaker 1: That's a giant temple for these people. But anyway, this
Speaker 1: if you ever see the double headed eagle clutching a
Speaker 1: sword with the Latin at the bottom and this triangle
Speaker 1: in the center with a number, this is a Freemasonry logo.
Speaker 1: So the history of the AASR accounts for these differences,
Speaker 1: originating from the specific cultural environments in which English and
Speaker 1: Scottish rights were developed. The English rights were established in
Speaker 1: a predominantly English Protestant culture with a more austere moral
Speaker 1: and social inspiration derived from the Old Testament, where the
Speaker 1: Scottish Rite was developed in predominantly Catholic France, inspired by
Speaker 1: a more effective and mystical message of the Gospel.
Speaker 2: The history of aasr the.
Speaker 1: Masons. The origin of the speculative masonry is to be
Speaker 1: found in the medieval Scottish operative mason labor guilds. These
Speaker 1: early regulations are the old charges quote unquote of operative
Speaker 1: stone Masons described in the Regius Manuscript of thirteen ninety
Speaker 1: and William Shawl's Statutes of fifteen ninety eight and fifteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine. According to these documents, candidates were admitted during
Speaker 1: simple initiation ceremonies, including a brief legendary history of the craft,
Speaker 1: the articles uniting all masons, their duties, prayers, esoteric modes
Speaker 1: of recognition, and their obligation to keep this instruction secret.
Speaker 1: So before we go in further real quick thirteen ninety,
Speaker 1: the Regius Manuscript thirteen ninety. The Larminius Charter was allegedly
Speaker 1: thirteen twenty four thirteen fourteen here give or take. So
Speaker 1: this is where they're saying that, oh, the knights Templar died,
Speaker 1: the Freemasons were stood up. Clearly there's a connection here,
Speaker 1: although again there's no actual connection that could be made
Speaker 1: here because what we're reading about, and if you were
Speaker 1: to read Regius Manuscript, this was a stone mason's guild
Speaker 1: and there is no link whatsoever to warrior monks of
Speaker 1: the Catholic Faith to stonemasons. There's almost no connection to
Speaker 1: that whatsoever. But the Regius Manuscript talks about the initiation
Speaker 1: of becoming a stone mason and how you would keep
Speaker 1: your trade secrets a secret.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: So Scottish Freemasonry started moving to England in the sixteen forties,
Speaker 1: and the Great Fire of London in sixteen sixty six
Speaker 1: brought many more craftsmen from Ireland and Scotland to help
Speaker 1: with the reconstruction of the city. All they are likely
Speaker 1: to have shared their legends and primitive Masonic rituals and catechisms.
Speaker 1: As the construction of religious buildings, castles and mansions was
Speaker 1: still going on in Scotland and Ireland but was disappearing
Speaker 1: in Europe and England, the operative stone mason lodges progressively
Speaker 1: began to accept quote unquote non operative speculative masons. So
Speaker 1: what do we mean by that?
Speaker 2: The stone mason guilds started taking on members into their
Speaker 2: little groups, their clubs if you will, that weren't actual
Speaker 2: crafting stone masons.
Speaker 4: Okay, so this is where it started to change.
Speaker 1: Basically, Yes, And this is around once again, the sixteen forties,
Speaker 1: sixteen sixty six, Like I said, sixteen hundreds into the
Speaker 1: seventeen hundred. They're talking of Renaissance era here, right, So
Speaker 1: moving forward, Speculative masonry at its creation is likely to
Speaker 1: have been somewhat deprived of substance, as was influenced by
Speaker 1: the playful societies of the eighteenth century England, meeting in
Speaker 1: taverns where talking, dining, card playing, and even gambling prevailed
Speaker 1: over knowledge and spirituality. It was fortunately improved by the intel.
Speaker 1: Ramsey is known as a to have been actively involved
Speaker 1: in the intellectual enlightenment of such institutions as the Royal
Speaker 1: High Degree Rituals from seventeen thirty and seventeen thirty eight.
Speaker 1: So this is whenever things went from a bunch of
Speaker 1: dudes just dudes being bros over here. To listen, we
Speaker 1: need have a little bit of order here. We need
Speaker 1: have a little bit of structure. We need to make
Speaker 1: this an official thing of a certain class of people. Right,
Speaker 1: So this really became like they put pen to paper
Speaker 1: to make this what it was seventeen thirty to seventeen
Speaker 1: thirty eight. So Ramsey's Aura Society and the spiritual inspiration
Speaker 1: of esoteric philosation philosoph low Socian Philosocian esoteric philosophy. Why
Speaker 1: the fuck are they doing this anyway? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It offered the doctrinal basis an original plan for the fees,
Speaker 1: such as the Rosa Crucian Society. So this is why.
Speaker 1: And for those that don't know what Rosaicrucianism is, it
Speaker 1: is also called the Order of the Rosy Cross, and
Speaker 1: it is a cross as unlike the Crucifix with roses
Speaker 1: all over it. And it was Christian esotericism basically old
Speaker 1: school woo woo Christianity that kind of had a Gnostic flair,
Speaker 1: kind of had a Christian flair, and took the Bible
Speaker 1: as a philosophical take rather than a historical document, and
Speaker 1: that was gaining prominence around this time frame. Like I said,
Speaker 1: there was all kinds of these secret societies that were
Speaker 1: popping up all over Europe of these people that basically
Speaker 1: just wanted to be like a part of the club
Speaker 1: and have some sort of secret knowledge that it was
Speaker 1: all a part of this right. It was like the fomo,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't offer to the lower levels. It was
Speaker 1: only offered to nobility class or educated class of people
Speaker 1: to keep it the into the realm of exclusivity. So
Speaker 1: when the Freemasons kind of did this, they were taking
Speaker 1: some of their notes off of the Rosicrucians and then
Speaker 1: later kind of adopted them into their order. Like I said,
Speaker 1: one of them is Christian esotericism, and one of these
Speaker 1: are Eastern philosophies. We've got the York right in the
Speaker 1: Scottish Rite, the Templars and the Shriners. One of them
Speaker 1: is more of the Rosicrucian Christian esotericism. One of them
Speaker 1: is more of the Eastern Vedic Egyptian all these things
Speaker 1: as far as that philosophical take. But I'm getting ahead
Speaker 1: of myself, So moving on French masonry and Rosicrucian Society's
Speaker 1: renovation of French freemasonry and maybe considered Blue Lodge masonry
Speaker 1: was slow to take its full shape. And blue lodge
Speaker 1: if you will. If you've ever seen a Masonic logo
Speaker 1: that's blue with the square and compass, that's what blue
Speaker 1: lodge means. They also have something called a red lodge,
Speaker 1: which are going to get to in a minute. There
Speaker 1: is some that's called a purple lodge that that's not
Speaker 1: like actually accepted. It's just it's like a moniker.
Speaker 2: We'll get to.
Speaker 1: And then there's whiteside free masonry that we'll talk about
Speaker 1: more towards the end. But again getting way ahead of myself,
Speaker 1: the above mentioned manuscripts included only two degrees, apprenticed and
Speaker 1: fellow of the craft. That's the word I was trying
Speaker 1: to look for earlier, I said, fellow craftsman, fellow.
Speaker 2: Of the craft.
Speaker 1: The arid as the first informal constitution of what would
Speaker 1: become Scottish Rite in France. At a time when masonry
Speaker 1: started spreading over Europe. The best senior fellows became masters,
Speaker 1: mainly in charge of many lodges came to be founded
Speaker 1: by the followers of the Administration in supervision of the
Speaker 1: work and morality Scottish Catholic Stewart dynasty, who fled from
Speaker 1: Britain to the third degree with its legendary death of
Speaker 1: Hiram which we're going to talk about Hiram Abiffin a
Speaker 1: bit France after the Stewarts had lost the throne of England,
Speaker 1: already mentioned in the Old Charges of the Stuarts. For
Speaker 1: the record, we're talking about the Royal House of Stuart,
Speaker 1: the influence of the Stewart's on the development development in Scotland.
Speaker 1: But it was also known in England in the mint
Speaker 1: of the Scottish Rite in France that the Jacobite theory
Speaker 1: early seventeen twenties.
Speaker 2: The degree was officially.
Speaker 1: Mentioned in the in the is credible when one knows
Speaker 1: that the Duke of War in seventeen thirty eight second
Speaker 1: edition of Anderson's Constitution, James Hector MacLean and Lord Darwin
Speaker 1: Tar Darwin Water Jesus Christ As for high degrees, the
Speaker 1: first reference appears in seventeen twenty eight, and there is
Speaker 1: a record in the Daily Journal of September fifth, seventeen
Speaker 1: fifty three I'm sorry, seventeen thirty five confirming that a
Speaker 1: degree of Scots or Scotch Master was conferred at Temple
Speaker 1: Bar in London and in Bath as early as seventeen
Speaker 1: thirty three in the French lodge Saint George de le
Speaker 1: Zervance whatever at the Convent Garden in London in seventeen
Speaker 1: thirty six.
Speaker 2: So this is where we went.
Speaker 1: From sixteen hundreds, we kind of have of groups of
Speaker 1: stone mason guilds who are kind of talking about some
Speaker 1: esoteric things, but it's more stories to oral tradition their
Speaker 1: craft a bit. Then it kind of gets into the
Speaker 1: high societies of the Reformation and another Reformation I should say,
Speaker 1: the the the Renaissance, and then the first time we
Speaker 1: actually have documented time frames as far as like a
Speaker 1: higher degree of masonry goes early seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 3: So the babies compared to a lot of the other
Speaker 3: secret orders that have been about for a long time.
Speaker 1: Well, give me an example of a secret order that
Speaker 1: predates this. And I'm not saying this to challenge you.
Speaker 1: I'm just so the cult members of what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: The nine that you talked about and the twelve that
Speaker 3: you talked about that had been around for a long.
Speaker 1: Time Ashoka's Nine Unknown Men, which I just because my
Speaker 1: own biases I believe still exist. There's no record of
Speaker 1: them existing after Ashoka died, but I believe they do.
Speaker 1: And then there's other organizations like the Twelve, but that's
Speaker 1: like the Zodiac Club in New York, and that only
Speaker 1: has existed for like one hundred years. Yeah, but as
Speaker 1: far as Freemasons are concerned, they claim their lineage back
Speaker 1: to the Knights Templars.
Speaker 2: And then also they are one of the.
Speaker 1: Oldest, if not the oldest, secret fraternal orders on Earth
Speaker 1: that are still been operating without fail. That being said,
Speaker 1: when you start to look back and peel back the
Speaker 1: layers of the onion as far as where their origin
Speaker 1: story really starts from sixteen hundred seventeen hundreds maybe.
Speaker 4: I mean they're some pretty old, to be honest with you.
Speaker 4: Sixteen h yeah, hot minute ago.
Speaker 1: So oh it's nothing to scoff at by any means,
Speaker 1: but right before the founding of America kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So when we're talking about.
Speaker 1: These ancient orders from like the Germany, the Bohemians, and
Speaker 1: the ancient orders of the Priesthood from Egypt and and
Speaker 1: all these things, Yeah, the Freemasons aren't as old as
Speaker 1: they would want.
Speaker 2: People to believe, for sure.
Speaker 1: But all right, So continuing on, so this degree seventeen
Speaker 1: thirty six. This higher degree, if you will, this degree
Speaker 1: was conferred on Blue Lodge masters. However, even if these
Speaker 1: early high degrees were practiced in England, probably under the
Speaker 1: Scottish influence, they grew up and expanded in France. Andrew
Speaker 1: Michael Ramsey, a French speaking Scottish baronet, is likely to
Speaker 1: have been the major firebrand in this movement. In seventeen
Speaker 1: thirty seven he delivered his famous oration in Paris extolling
Speaker 1: the Scottish masonry of the Grand Lodge of Edinburgh, the
Speaker 1: ritual of which was more complete, as he said then respectively,
Speaker 1: in the first, second, and third Grand Masters of the
Speaker 1: Grand Lodge of France were Catholics and Jacobites. For those
Speaker 1: who don't know what a Jacobite is, if you've ever
Speaker 1: seen Outlander, they do a pretty good job of explaining it.
Speaker 1: But basically, the Jacobite revolution, and it wasn't justin Scotland,
Speaker 1: there was other Jacobethan movements across Europe. Essentially, they wanted
Speaker 1: to install the true heir of Scotland back on the
Speaker 1: throne in the form of Bonnie Prince Charlie.
Speaker 2: His dad was the king. He got usurped.
Speaker 1: Basically, or I forget if it was he was usurped,
Speaker 1: or if basically they handed the reigns of Scotland to
Speaker 1: the English king until Charlie was old enough to reign,
Speaker 1: and then the king said no, I'm never given this
Speaker 1: back kind of thing. But either way it goes. The
Speaker 1: Jacobite rebellion that took place was basically the end of
Speaker 1: the Highland way of life for Scotland. No longer would
Speaker 1: you have clans and war chiefs. Now you would have
Speaker 1: essentially British nobles that would take over swaths of Scotland.
Speaker 1: And it really became more of a repression of the
Speaker 1: Highland way of life. But the Jacobites also had a
Speaker 1: pretty slizable following in France.
Speaker 2: I remember hearing about some things.
Speaker 1: In Belgium. I remember hearing about something in the Lens,
Speaker 1: But at that point it's more like where we draw
Speaker 1: in the line between legend and law and historical fact,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But anyway, so he gave
Speaker 1: his his oration in Paris, and so, like they said,
Speaker 1: the Grand Lodge in France were Catholics and Jacobites. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: in England they were more of the Protestant movement. The
Speaker 1: Jacobites are likely to have been men of goodwill, wishing
Speaker 1: to establish some order within masonry and create a new
Speaker 1: spiritual and chivalrc ethic in society, and thereby escaped the
Speaker 1: papal condemnation of the seventeen thirty eight. Whatever the validity
Speaker 1: of the Jacobite theory, the many interpretations of Hiram Abyff's legend,
Speaker 1: and the more mystical nature of the third degree had
Speaker 1: already triggered the creation of over thirty five quote unquote
Speaker 1: high degrees in the mid seventeen thirties. So how do
Speaker 1: we go from three degrees to allegedly thirty five. Well,
Speaker 1: let's just say, egos a bitch. And you have this
Speaker 1: guy who's claiming, oh well, I just achieved the highest degree.
Speaker 1: I'm a third level. Oh really, that's so interesting. I
Speaker 1: just achieved five. I didn't even know there was five.
Speaker 1: Well you wouldn't, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: So they just were pissing contests of one upping each
Speaker 3: other to get to the highest level.
Speaker 1: That's it, that's essentially.
Speaker 3: And so how do we turn from this which didn't
Speaker 3: sound honestly that terrible, Like when you're reading the top
Speaker 3: part to the super bad shit that people associate with
Speaker 3: the thirty three degrees and like the ones that like
Speaker 3: do some heinous, horrible crap to get to that level.
Speaker 4: How the hell did we go from this to that?
Speaker 1: It's very funny that you would bring this up, because like,
Speaker 1: in just a second, we're going to be talking about
Speaker 1: this guy right here, Albert Pike, who was a Confederate general,
Speaker 1: who made it what it was or what it is.
Speaker 2: So let's keep going here.
Speaker 1: So Ramsey's seventeen thirty seven oration, widely published in seventeen
Speaker 1: forty one, and its allusions to Knight's crusades, resulted in
Speaker 1: an explosive proliferation of so called Scottish degrees.
Speaker 2: Although they were French products.
Speaker 1: So just we're clear there is zero connection from original
Speaker 1: Knights templars to Freemasons.
Speaker 2: But because certain things got.
Speaker 1: Said enough times, people just took it and ran with it,
Speaker 1: and now it's just seen as documented facts, even though
Speaker 1: not even a little bit. But moving on, at some stage,
Speaker 1: there would be one four hundred and fifty degrees in
Speaker 1: use in fifty two Rits covered by seventy five orders.
Speaker 2: Jeez, So keep this in mind. We have two orders.
Speaker 1: Now we have the.
Speaker 2: Scottish or we have two rights Scottish right in New York.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: That's all freemasonry has on the entire earth. And they
Speaker 1: have thirty three degrees. But why did this happen? Well,
Speaker 1: because there was all these crazy degrees, which is also
Speaker 1: where Whiteside Masonry comes from. We'll get to that towards
Speaker 1: the very end here, fifty two rites. Because everybody wanted
Speaker 1: to start their own thing. They still wanted to be Masons,
Speaker 1: but they want to do their own thing with it.
Speaker 1: I'm not of the Scottish brand. I'm of the Bohemian brand,
Speaker 1: or I'm of the Romanian brand, or I'm of the Roman.
Speaker 2: Or whatever the case would be.
Speaker 1: You had all these people basically founding without any kind
Speaker 1: of hierarchy to say that that is and is not
Speaker 1: free and accepted Masons. That's why these charters all have
Speaker 1: F and AM on their logos. If you ever drive
Speaker 1: by a Masonic lodge in your local town, you'll see,
Speaker 1: you know, F and AM which stands for Free and
Speaker 1: Accepted Masons. Because there's all kinds of Masonic orders out
Speaker 1: there that are operating that are not accepted. They are
Speaker 1: not true free Masons. They're not actually under the adherents
Speaker 1: of the Grand Lodge. This is where all of this
Speaker 1: stems from. So then, okay, Albert Pike he utilized various
Speaker 1: religious traditions, legends, and philosophies to convey universal truths independent
Speaker 1: of any specific faith. The English rituals, which had dropped
Speaker 1: a number of the first official mention of Scottish masonry
Speaker 1: in France old spiritual traditions that had inspired the cathedral
Speaker 1: appeared in seventeen forty three in article twenty of the
Speaker 1: Grand Lodge Builders. So Albert Pike basically came in and
Speaker 1: turned all this chaos into order. He wrote a book
Speaker 1: called Morals and Dogma, which we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: in a bit, where basically this was how Masons were
Speaker 1: going to do things moving forward. This is how the
Speaker 1: rituals go down, step by step. This is what the
Speaker 1: orders are, the rights that are actually accepted, the levels
Speaker 1: that are actually accepted, all the things, here's the passwords,
Speaker 1: here's the handshakes, here's all the things.
Speaker 2: All this other shit's too much.
Speaker 1: We're losing the plot here this We're gonna get it
Speaker 1: right back down to the original basis.
Speaker 4: Oh, why listen to this person.
Speaker 1: Though, because Albert Pike was an extremely influential guy, he
Speaker 1: was a member of multiple organizations. The two most notable
Speaker 1: would be the Independent Order of Odd Fellows and the Freemasons,
Speaker 1: both of which do very esoteric I don't want to
Speaker 1: use the term black magic because that's not necessarily true here,
Speaker 1: but very esoteric philosophical things. And if you ask them, oh,
Speaker 1: we're here for charity, it's all for a big charity,
Speaker 1: cause in reality, they when you look at a lot
Speaker 1: of their pledges that they make in the very beginning,
Speaker 1: it's very much of a spiritual nature. Then when you
Speaker 1: get to the upper levels, you actually are selling your
Speaker 1: soul to Lucifer like by name that's mentioned, which we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna get to that in a minute. But
Speaker 1: essentially he's the one that came in, wrote the book
Speaker 1: Morals and Dogma and changed the entire game as far
Speaker 1: as Freemasonry was concerned. And that was again, that's a
Speaker 1: Civil War guy. So a lot of our founding fathers
Speaker 1: in this country were Freemasons. And this is yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is before the accepted rights. They were still
Speaker 1: operating when it was all these crazy rights and all
Speaker 1: these crazy degrees and all this shit were going.
Speaker 3: Before they got into like super super bad shit, right,
Speaker 3: so before old boy made it what it is, which
Speaker 3: is fascinating to me how one person can change the
Speaker 3: course of history and impact so many people's lives.
Speaker 1: And most people don't even know who this guy is.
Speaker 1: That's the crazy part.
Speaker 2: Most people.
Speaker 1: If you've because of you exactly, and this guy is
Speaker 1: what changed the movers and shakers of the world by
Speaker 1: writing a couple of publications and no one knows about them.
Speaker 1: It's mind blowing. Okay, but anyway, anyway, so let's can
Speaker 1: go in here. So the first official mention we talked
Speaker 1: about that, Ramsey also extolled the chival chivalric ideal of
Speaker 1: France's regulations denying any superior powers to the Knights Crusaders,
Speaker 1: whose heroic courage had been Scottish Masons over the masters
Speaker 1: of Blue lodges. Once again, he just threw that together
Speaker 1: because that's the legend that he was told.
Speaker 2: There's zero evidence of that.
Speaker 1: But anyway, over the energizing and unifying factor of christian
Speaker 1: the succeeding decades or Christianity, I should say, high degrees
Speaker 1: spread over the world, eventually resulting in the progress of
Speaker 1: civilization of the Western Hemisphere, and in seventeen sixty one
Speaker 1: A tom Moram though the merging of the Eastern and
Speaker 1: Western that's basically what that means refined, received a patent
Speaker 1: from the highest authorities in Paris cultures. This he thought
Speaker 1: would provide a model for as well as in England,
Speaker 1: appointing him Grand Inspector, so he became the Guy Masons
Speaker 1: as leaders of human society. Ramsey was con or. He
Speaker 1: was against this and began a chain of events leading
Speaker 1: to the creation of Vinced and through or Convinced. I
Speaker 1: think this is written very strangely.
Speaker 3: Wow, like it's look it like split it apart. Ramsey
Speaker 3: was con this, and it's convinced that though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like didn't know that spellcheck exists.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, this is from the Grand Lodge.
Speaker 1: This is one of their documents.
Speaker 3: But okay, wow, super consolidation of both mystical and crusade.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where you're at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the consolidation of both mystical mystical and a
Speaker 1: cascade of Deputy Inspector generals in New York and chivalric virtues.
Speaker 1: The Masons would uh the mason's mind would more. In
Speaker 1: seventeen sixty eight, three brothers, including Moses Michael Hayes, easily
Speaker 1: regained the wisdom and love of its original divine and
Speaker 1: a businessman of Dutch parentage, were empowered nature that makes
Speaker 1: no sense to confer all degrees in the West Indies
Speaker 1: and North America. In seventeen eighty one, Hayes commissioned eight
Speaker 1: brothers to establish Moran's Right in the US of these
Speaker 1: barren m continue. Okay, I don't know what all that's about.
Speaker 1: This is written very strangely, but anyway, so that is
Speaker 1: a little bit of the history of how the Freemasons
Speaker 1: got from a stone Mason's guild. Somehow a Knight's templar
Speaker 1: connection got thrown in the mix because fuck it, and
Speaker 1: then into the public zeitgeist of what we have now.
Speaker 1: Now let's talk more specifically about the Knight's templars. So
Speaker 1: this is from the York Right, the York Right of
Speaker 1: Freemasonry official information. These are some other logos you've probably
Speaker 1: seen on the back of cars, right, So this logo
Speaker 1: they're square and compass with the g This is what
Speaker 1: you would see or what's called a blue side mason. Okay,
Speaker 1: then you have or you see this, and it's called
Speaker 1: a blue lodge. Essentially, it is a lodge where you're
Speaker 1: only going through the first three degrees of masonry and
Speaker 1: that's about it. Then there is this emblem here and
Speaker 1: this is what you might call if you see this
Speaker 1: on a sign, as a red lodge. This is where
Speaker 1: Knights templars are created as far as the Freemasons are concerned. Right,
Speaker 1: then when you get to a certain level within that
Speaker 1: you see this.
Speaker 2: This is what you may hear a term called a
Speaker 2: purple lodge.
Speaker 1: That's kind of a like a nickname given, but that's
Speaker 1: not an actually accepted term. But essentially it is all
Speaker 1: still within the realm of the Knights templars. And this
Speaker 1: is the Free Masonic Knights Templar logo itself.
Speaker 2: I've seen really mm hmmm, I've seen quite a few,
Speaker 2: but okay, okay, fair enough.
Speaker 4: So I think I've seen the purple one and I've
Speaker 4: seen the blue one a ton.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you may have seen some of these other ones.
Speaker 1: Maybe you have, maybe you have not, but uh, these
Speaker 1: are other logos that you may see.
Speaker 3: The crown, uh this, uh, this square, I've seen that
Speaker 3: one with the.
Speaker 1: Wreath and the green triangle. The Grand York right bodies
Speaker 1: the red Rosicrucian or rose of Cronston.
Speaker 4: I've seen that one.
Speaker 1: This is also a symbol for the Hermitic or a
Speaker 1: tree of life. This one is talking about how they're
Speaker 1: all knights, templars of the USA, Cryptic Mason's jurisdictions.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, these are These are just more logos that
Speaker 2: you might see.
Speaker 3: I've seen a couple of those, but some of those
Speaker 3: I really haven't seen. But I've seen a couple of
Speaker 3: those throughout like down here, and I've seen a lot of.
Speaker 4: Them on their hats.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, or they'll hand out the pins, or they have
Speaker 3: them on the side of the floats.
Speaker 1: So absolutely absolutely so. Again not to get way too
Speaker 1: often too the weeds here, but this is more of
Speaker 1: the emblems you might see. Also, this one, this is
Speaker 1: what we would call a keystone or a cornerstone, and
Speaker 1: they use this for the the de Molay mark, the
Speaker 1: children's group of the Freemasons, Like if you're a Freemason
Speaker 1: and you want your kid to be associated with the order.
Speaker 1: They're called the Molayans, named after Jacques de Molay.
Speaker 3: Huh So all of those are different groups that are
Speaker 3: those are part of the fifty two rites that were created.
Speaker 1: Okay, no, no, no, these are accepted these days. These
Speaker 1: are accepted. It's like subsets.
Speaker 3: So you'll have it's like the variation flavors of Christianity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: You'll see some that are like.
Speaker 1: The Order of Tall Cedars, the Molayans, the Eastern Star.
Speaker 2: All of these are groups.
Speaker 4: That are within the Word of Bunker Hill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Order of the Mystic Time, They.
Speaker 4: Order of the Order of Rainbow.
Speaker 1: Order of Rainbow is one. Absolutely that the Shrine Clowns,
Speaker 1: that's another one.
Speaker 3: Okay, now you're just being ridiculous. Daughters of the Nile.
Speaker 3: I have heard of White Shine Jerusalem.
Speaker 1: Daughters of the Nile, Order of the Eastern Star, Order
Speaker 1: of Amaranth, National National Sojourners Tall.
Speaker 3: So all these fall under the now recognized way of
Speaker 3: the Freemasons. So all of them participate in the same rituals.
Speaker 3: They're just different flavors of it, absolutely, okay. And so
Speaker 3: for a lot of the ones down here with just
Speaker 3: the g they're not really like doing anything satanic. They're
Speaker 3: more or less because I see them out doing a
Speaker 3: lot of charity work. I see them out. I've talked
Speaker 3: to a lot of the guys. They just seem like
Speaker 3: they're they just want to part of it, be a
Speaker 3: part of some like boys club essentially.
Speaker 1: And that's I will say this ninety nine point nine percent.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, listen, but listen, I understand this
Speaker 1: that they are going to never do anything evil, like
Speaker 1: the vast, vast majority of Freemasons, A have never heard
Speaker 1: of the crazy shit that so many conspiracy theorists. Well,
Speaker 1: they may have heard the conspiracy, but they don't know
Speaker 1: about Albert Pike's book, right, or they haven't read it
Speaker 1: covered they don't read it.
Speaker 3: I thought they like had to read it, like this
Speaker 3: was something that they have to know to be able
Speaker 3: to participate.
Speaker 2: Not really, I mean you can't.
Speaker 1: It's recommended that you would read it, but it's not
Speaker 1: like you don't have to read it to be a
Speaker 1: Mason by any means. It's kind of like the Blue Bible.
Speaker 1: They have Masonic Bibles that they're not different from regular Bibles.
Speaker 1: They just have some like marginal notes, and they have
Speaker 1: some pictures, and they have some things that they draw
Speaker 1: comparisons to Freemasonry from the Bible which again you have
Speaker 1: to you got to really try to see those connections.
Speaker 1: But whatever, it's not they're not trying to bastardize religion
Speaker 1: because they are allegedly a non religious organization. It's the
Speaker 1: ones at the very, very very top that have done
Speaker 1: and are still doing a lot of horrible shit in
Speaker 1: the name of the organization. But your average guy walking
Speaker 1: around with a Masonic ring, even if he's at thirty two,
Speaker 1: even is at the thirty second level, he's probably never
Speaker 1: done some horrible shit in the name of the Order,
Speaker 1: the realistic.
Speaker 3: So what is the third like, what do they have
Speaker 3: to do at the thirty three level specifically.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you bring that up. Let's move forward
Speaker 1: in the conversation to Albert Pike. So this is a
Speaker 1: book that he wrote, the Masonic Formulas and Rituals. This
Speaker 1: is a well, I didn't mean to do that, old up,
Speaker 1: old up. This is public but a publication twenty ten
Speaker 1: Scottish Rite Research Society.
Speaker 2: So let's read the excerpt.
Speaker 1: Here the source of Albert Pike's Ritual Revisions, transcribed from
Speaker 1: the original copy in the archives vault of the Supreme Council.
Speaker 1: This never before published work includes the complete collection of
Speaker 1: rituals which Albert Pike received when he joined the Scottish
Speaker 1: Right in eighteen fifty three. After receiving the degrees, Pike
Speaker 1: borrowed the manuscript rituals and over the next two years
Speaker 1: he transcribed his own copies. He later used these texts
Speaker 1: to create his revision of the Scottish Right rituals. This
Speaker 1: book answered the question what was the Scottish Right like
Speaker 1: before Albert Pike? So before he did anything, you could
Speaker 1: see a whole lot of symbolism, a whole lot of
Speaker 1: occult symbolism on this because it essentially was like the
Speaker 1: Hermetic orders. It was looking at philosophical and esoteric and
Speaker 1: in some cases magic with a K principles. So contents
Speaker 1: include three craft degrees from the early French source, all
Speaker 1: Scottish rights rituals, the Adoniramite write, the degrees of Knighthood,
Speaker 1: the true Masonry of adoption and the Androgynists adoptive Right,
Speaker 1: and so much more. Includes original drawings and Masonic ciphers
Speaker 1: from Pike. An introduction by ill ill Illustrious brother de
Speaker 1: Hooyas provides insight into these rituals and the ritual development
Speaker 1: of the Scottish, right. So anyway, this book kind of
Speaker 1: talks about freemasonry before Albert Pike, but let's talk about
Speaker 1: Albert Pike in specific.
Speaker 2: So who is this guy?
Speaker 1: How did he get so, you know, ostensibly the key
Speaker 1: figure in what we would now call freemasonry. So Albert Pike,
Speaker 1: who alive eighteen oh nine to eighteen ninety one. He
Speaker 1: was a lawyer who played a major role in the
Speaker 1: development of early counts of Arkansas and played an active
Speaker 1: role in the.
Speaker 2: State's politics prior to the Civil War.
Speaker 1: He was also a central figure in the development of
Speaker 1: Masonry in the state and later became a national leader
Speaker 1: of that organization. So during the Civil War he commanded
Speaker 1: the Confederacy the Confederate's Indian territory, raising troops there and
Speaker 1: exercising field command in one battle. He also was a
Speaker 1: talented poet and writer, which would go into him writing
Speaker 1: these books. Also him being a lawyer, he was a wordsmith,
Speaker 1: if you will. It's also worth noting he was a
Speaker 1: Confederate and his statue was taken down in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: At one point in time, just a.
Speaker 1: Few years ago, and your boy Donnie t made sure
Speaker 1: that that statue got put back up.
Speaker 2: It's worth mentioning anyway.
Speaker 3: Was he like a horrible human being? Well, obviously with
Speaker 3: what he wrote, but like he was what he did.
Speaker 1: He was a Confederate general who wanted to keep slavery
Speaker 1: and was very clear about the fact that they are
Speaker 1: worshiping Lucifer.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know it's the red flags just keep popping
Speaker 3: up with good old Donnie T.
Speaker 4: There's so many.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't even know if Donny T even
Speaker 1: knew that about Albert Pike or not. I'm not out
Speaker 1: of one now. I don't think he's like the artist
Speaker 1: dude on Earth.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think that he's that stupid at all,
Speaker 3: but I am, but I am curious to see what
Speaker 3: this whole Epstein situation with Malania coming out on National
Speaker 3: TV yesterday and saying that, hey, by the way, we're
Speaker 3: doing this, and it's like, ooh, we're okay, they're gonna
Speaker 3: look in They're going to forcibly look into the Epstein
Speaker 3: files because there is more people connected than just Epstein.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll see, which we've been saying that, but anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll get to we'll do it.
Speaker 4: That's a whole episode in and of itself.
Speaker 3: But for him to put this man, this piece of
Speaker 3: shit statue back up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you can't just say that he didn't know
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: So you got to keep in mind how much money
Speaker 1: the Masons have to throw around, and it's very possible
Speaker 1: that enough Masons threw enough money into his fund. Trump's
Speaker 1: fun to be like, hey, you know, it'd be really
Speaker 1: cool as if you put up our patron homie back up.
Speaker 1: And maybe you know, listen, I heard he was a
Speaker 1: pretty good guy. I don't know they say that, some
Speaker 1: people say that I don't know, but sure it's a
Speaker 1: fucking statue.
Speaker 2: What difference does it make?
Speaker 1: I could see that being a part of the conversation too,
Speaker 1: or I very well knew exactly what this was and
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, we need that guy back. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm totally gonna buy the book because I want to
Speaker 3: read it. Yep, all right, I already found it while
Speaker 3: we were talking. I found I found a nineteen oh
Speaker 3: six version.
Speaker 1: I got to pull it up right here, which we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about more and some of the quotes from it,
Speaker 1: some of the more.
Speaker 3: I want to actually like get my hands on a
Speaker 3: copy of it because I want to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, So moving on. Albert Pike was
Speaker 1: born in Boston, Massachusetts, eighteen oh nine. He was one
Speaker 1: of six children of a cobbler, and his mom was Sarah.
Speaker 2: He attended public school in Byfield.
Speaker 1: Newbury Port and uh Farm Framington, Framingham Jesus, Massachusetts. Here
Speaker 1: receees an education that provided him with the background in
Speaker 1: classical and contemporary literature and in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek.
Speaker 2: Now I remember we've talked about that in this day.
Speaker 1: If you could speak English, fine, whatever, Latin, or you're
Speaker 1: educated Greek. Oh, you've got a high level of education.
Speaker 2: Hebrew. Oh you're clearly like a doctorate at something.
Speaker 3: Obviously clearly his word is like law.
Speaker 1: Not many people had the knowledge of all four of
Speaker 1: those languages. So this, that right off the rip, tells
Speaker 1: you this guy.
Speaker 2: Was educated, educated.
Speaker 1: He passed cobbler though, yeah, you wouldn't think, yeah.
Speaker 4: Like a cobbler and like that.
Speaker 3: How and why I'm curious how that happened in one
Speaker 3: of six like they normally that doesn't you wouldn't get
Speaker 3: that kind of level education.
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about it further. Because he stopped off at.
Speaker 1: Harvard, he passed the examination required for entry into Harvard
Speaker 1: when he was just sixteen. However, he was unable to
Speaker 1: pay the tuition at Harvard, and he began to teach,
Speaker 1: working at schools in newbury Port, near Gloucester, and Fairhaven
Speaker 1: later in his life. In eighteen fifty nine, he earned
Speaker 1: an honorary Master of Arts degree from Harvard for his
Speaker 1: deep scholarship. So he independently, on his own studied these things,
Speaker 1: even though he didn't have a classic education. He could
Speaker 1: have gone to Harvard if he could afford it, but
Speaker 1: his dad made shoes.
Speaker 2: He was one of six kids. Yeah, you know, they
Speaker 2: didn't have the money for that.
Speaker 4: So when he was fifty he earned it all right.
Speaker 1: And this is after the whole Civil War, I actually know,
Speaker 1: right before it. So he began to write poetry as
Speaker 1: a young man, which he continued to do for the
Speaker 1: rest of his life, and when he was twenty three
Speaker 1: he published his first poem, Hymns to the Gods. Subsequent
Speaker 1: poems appeared in contemporary literary sources such as Blackwood's Edinburgh
Speaker 1: Magazine and local newspapers. His first collection of poetry, prose
Speaker 1: sketches and poems written in the Western Country appeared in
Speaker 1: eighteen thirty four. He later gathered many of his poems
Speaker 1: and republished them in Hymns of the Gods and other poems.
Speaker 1: After his death, these appeared again in General Albert Pike's
Speaker 1: poems Lyrics and Love Songs. Wow. So Pike left Massachusetts
Speaker 1: for Santa Fe in what was then Mexico in eighteen
Speaker 1: thirty one, one of the many time one of many
Speaker 1: at the time attracted to the developing West. From Santa Fe,
Speaker 1: he joined an expedition to the lands around the headwaters
Speaker 1: of the Arkansas and Red Rivers. Somewhere along the route,
Speaker 1: he left his expedition and walked to Fort Smith. He
Speaker 1: taught there in rural schools for a short time, but
Speaker 1: his literary skills early evolved him in Arkansas politics.
Speaker 2: He could read pretty good.
Speaker 1: In eighteen thirty three, he published in local newspapers letters
Speaker 1: in support of Robert Crittenden's candidacy for territorial delegate to Congress.
Speaker 1: The anonymous letters, signed Casco after one of the Roman
Speaker 1: politicians who assassinated Julius Caesar, were considered very persuasive and
Speaker 1: secured him for a statewide reputation as a writer.
Speaker 2: They also attracted attention from Charles.
Speaker 1: Bertrand, owner of the Whig Party Arkansas Advocate, who invited
Speaker 1: Pike to Little Rock's Pulaski's County to work as the editor.
Speaker 1: Pike accepted the job and moved to the capital city,
Speaker 1: and while working for The Advocate, Pike published a series
Speaker 1: of stories and poems about his adventures in New Mexico.
Speaker 1: The material later published in The pro Stories and Poems
Speaker 1: Written in the Western Country. In addition to editing the paper,
Speaker 1: Pike secured additional work in Little Rock as a clerk
Speaker 1: in the Legislator. He married a woman on October tenth,
Speaker 1: eighteen thirty four. The couple also had six children, so
Speaker 1: what this woman brought to the marriage was considerable financial resources,
Speaker 1: and she helped Pike purchase an intent an interest in
Speaker 1: The Advocate from Bertrand in eighteen thirty four.
Speaker 2: The next year he became its sole proprietor.
Speaker 1: Pike studied law while editing the newspaper, ultimately passing the
Speaker 1: Arkansas Bar exam in either eighteen thirty six or eighteen
Speaker 1: thirty seven. In the later year or the latter year,
Speaker 1: he sold the newspaper and devoted his time to the law.
Speaker 1: He demonstrated considerable legal prowess early and represented clients and
Speaker 1: courts at every level level, including the United States Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: which he received permission to practice before in eighteen forty nine.
Speaker 1: So this dude was making his way in the world,
Speaker 1: married into some way. I was, he's smart, Like, he's
Speaker 1: just a smart dude. He reads all this literature, making
Speaker 1: some very lucrative business deals happen. He's killing it. He's
Speaker 1: absolutely killing it. And then on top of that, he's
Speaker 1: a lawyer. So Pike developed a lucrative law practice, and
Speaker 1: his clients included many of the tribes of the Indian Territory.
Speaker 1: Among his clients at that time were the Creek, Muskogee
Speaker 1: and Chucktaw, whom he represented in a case against the
Speaker 1: US government that secured payment for the lands taken in
Speaker 1: the Treaty of Fort Jackson in eighteen fourteen. Pike learned
Speaker 1: several Native American dialects while working as their attorney.
Speaker 4: I mean, the dude, damn old boy was really smart.
Speaker 3: I mean you're talking like that's like at least six
Speaker 3: or seven languages that he, yeah, like was able to
Speaker 3: speak and read.
Speaker 2: We're talking pre Civil War.
Speaker 1: You got the US government to actually pay the natives
Speaker 1: for the land they stole.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, homeboy was perspasive by lah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, that man had the words for sure.
Speaker 4: That's probably why he picked the old girl because she
Speaker 4: had money.
Speaker 1: Oh, he knew what he was doing. Yes. So from
Speaker 1: eighteen thirty six eighteen forty four, Pike was the first
Speaker 1: reporter to the Arkansas Supreme Court, charged with writing notes
Speaker 1: on the relevant points in court decisions. He published the
Speaker 1: Index Court's Opinions. In eighteen forty two, he published the
Speaker 1: Arkansas Form Book, a tool for lawyers providing models for
Speaker 1: the different kinds of motions to be filed in the
Speaker 1: state courts. His reputation as an attorney also secured him
Speaker 1: an appointment of receiver for the failed Arkansas State Bank
Speaker 1: in eighteen forty. As receiver, he attempted to collect the
Speaker 1: debts owed to that institution, and at the same time,
Speaker 1: the fees he received for the work were lucrative and
Speaker 1: secured his fortune. So, oh, poor son of a cobbler
Speaker 1: that couldn't get into Harvard because he couldn't pay the tuition.
Speaker 1: He found a gold mine in all ar Kansas.
Speaker 4: Before he was even fifty.
Speaker 1: Yes, and Dition As ambition public figure, Pike joined Order
Speaker 1: others in eighteen forty five and supporting actions against Mexico
Speaker 1: what became the Mexican War. He helped raise Little Rock Guards,
Speaker 1: a company incorporated into the Arkansas Cavalry Regiment of Colonel
Speaker 1: Archibald Yell, and served as a captain. Pike concluded early
Speaker 1: on that the senior officers of the regiment were incompetent,
Speaker 1: and he shared his observations with people back in Arkansas
Speaker 1: through letters and newspapers. Following the Battle for Buenavista, he
Speaker 1: leveled particularly harsh criticisms against Lieutenant Colonel John Selden Rohne.
Speaker 1: After the publication of a particularly victoroulic letter by Pike
Speaker 1: in the Arkansas Gazette, Ron demanded that Pike apologize or
Speaker 1: give him satisfaction, which sounds like a duel. Pike refused
Speaker 1: to apologize, and the two fought in the duel hey
Speaker 1: near Fort Smith, on a sand bank in the Arkansas River,
Speaker 1: and the exchange of fire neither hit his antagonists, and
Speaker 1: the two were persuaded to halt the duel with honor satisfied. Yeah,
Speaker 1: duels back in the day very rarely actually Indian death.
Speaker 1: More often than not, you would just take a shot
Speaker 1: to just like prove your metal, so to speak, prove
Speaker 1: that you're a man and you're actually about that life.
Speaker 1: More often than not, they would just fire into the
Speaker 1: air or something.
Speaker 2: It was all for show.
Speaker 1: Anyway. Returning from Mexico, Pike re established his law practice.
Speaker 1: He promoted the construction of trans Continental Railroad from New
Speaker 1: Orleans to the Pacific Coast, writing numerous newspaper essays urging
Speaker 1: support for the project. He moved to New Orleans in
Speaker 1: eighteen fifty three to further his railroad activities, although he
Speaker 1: also continued to practice law. He translated French legal volumes
Speaker 1: into English while preparing to pass the local bar exam
Speaker 1: for Louisiana. Now that's interesting also because Louisiana operates under
Speaker 1: Napoleonic law, not common law like the rest of the
Speaker 1: United States. So it's an entirely different bar that has
Speaker 1: to be done here. Like I understand each state has
Speaker 1: their own bar, but like it's different law that you
Speaker 1: have to apply when you study for Louisiana bar exam.
Speaker 1: But anyway, ultimately he successfully obtained h charter from the
Speaker 1: Louisiana legislator for one of his railroad projects, and he
Speaker 1: returned to Little Rock in eighteen fifty seven. In the
Speaker 1: years immediately following the Mexican Civil or the Mexican War,
Speaker 1: Pike's concern with the developing six sectional crisis brought on
Speaker 1: by the issue of slavery became apparent.
Speaker 2: He had long been a.
Speaker 1: Whig, which for those it's the Whig and the big parties,
Speaker 1: this was the conservative and liberals of the day and
Speaker 1: age like we have Republican and Democrat now. But anyway,
Speaker 1: but the Whig Party repeatedly refused to address the slavery issue.
Speaker 1: The failure in Pike's own anti Catholicism led him to
Speaker 1: join the No Nothing Party upon its creation. The No
Speaker 1: Nothing Party was a third option that started to gain traction.
Speaker 1: But I should also mention before we go any further,
Speaker 1: the first third party option in the United States was
Speaker 1: the Anti Masonic Party. Wait, so, if you go back
Speaker 1: in time, and it doesn't matter, even seventeen seventy six,
Speaker 1: we have primarily always been a two party country right right, left, conservative, uh, liberal,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, and they've had different monikers
Speaker 1: for years on that the first third party to actually
Speaker 1: be registered and actually get a little bit of traction.
Speaker 2: Was the Anti Masonic Party.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that everybody's like, man, fuck the Republicans,
Speaker 1: fuck the Democrats, that's not the point.
Speaker 2: We need to get these fucking Masons out of here.
Speaker 1: Like that. They did that to the tune of having
Speaker 1: whole political party associated with it.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe they felt very inclined that the Masons were
Speaker 3: doing some shady shit.
Speaker 1: They just wanted to get the old boys club out
Speaker 1: of it. Like the whole point of America being founded
Speaker 1: was to leave aristocracy and nobility back in Europe. Yet
Speaker 1: somehow we now have one with the Masonic League, and
Speaker 1: it's like it didn't matter if you were on one
Speaker 1: side of the aisle or the other. All of them
Speaker 1: were homies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're all boys club exactly.
Speaker 1: So the Anti Masonic Party started as a way to
Speaker 1: try to shirk that. It didn't go far, but that
Speaker 1: was if anybody wants to look that up. So anyway,
Speaker 1: Pike then joined the Know Nothing Party upon its creation
Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty six. He attended the new party's national convention,
Speaker 1: but he found it equally reluctant to adopt a strong
Speaker 1: pro slavery platform. A strong pro slavery platform. Just we're
Speaker 1: all clear of where he's at.
Speaker 4: I'm so confused.
Speaker 3: He represented Native Americans and helped them like actually gain
Speaker 3: traction and get lamp back and all of these things
Speaker 3: came down to the Louisiana got the bar and all this,
Speaker 3: and then was still pro slave.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes no sense to me.
Speaker 1: Because they had some feelings towards the black population at
Speaker 1: that time, and yeah, they had some feelings towards the natives,
Speaker 1: but like they're not black though.
Speaker 3: I mean it depends, I guess on what state you're in,
Speaker 3: because some of them were just even worse to the
Speaker 3: native population, so worse.
Speaker 1: Yes, but there's very little evidence that Native Americans were slaves.
Speaker 1: There was attempts, there was absolutely attempts to enslave the
Speaker 1: Native population. They did not God, there's no way to
Speaker 1: say this.
Speaker 4: We're just gonna move on. No, no, we're just gonna move
Speaker 4: on from that.
Speaker 1: They didn't do well like as slaves. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that to say like, oh, well they weren't good, No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: They they were still battling a lot of sicknesses that
Speaker 1: the white man brought over to this continent. Meanwhile, black
Speaker 1: people had developed inoculation in Africa, like there's a long
Speaker 1: list of reasons. But Native American slaves did not go
Speaker 1: too well. So that's why instead of enslaving them, they
Speaker 1: just kept kicking them more west and put them on reservations.
Speaker 2: So that's what that's about.
Speaker 1: So and for the record, his own anti Catholicism here
Speaker 1: that also meant very anti cath which we talked about
Speaker 1: very anti Irish. Excuse me, very anti Irish, very anti Italian.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't just black people that he had an
Speaker 1: issue with. He was like, okay with the natives, but
Speaker 1: he didn't think that they were like equal. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: let's not be crazy here, rave and they're not. They're
Speaker 1: not white. So but they were able to pay him
Speaker 1: for his legal services, and that green mattered more at
Speaker 1: the time, I should say gold. Gold mattered more than
Speaker 1: skin color at that point, so is what it is.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he had a real issue with the black population,
Speaker 1: a lot of people. He had an issue with the Catholics,
Speaker 1: all these things. So he joined other Southern delegates in
Speaker 1: walking out of the convention. Pike expressed a belief that
Speaker 1: in states' rights and considered succession constitutional. He philosophically supported secession,
Speaker 1: demonstrating his position in eighteen sixty one when he published
Speaker 1: the pamphlet titled State or Province, Bond or Free. In
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty one, the Arkansas State Secession Convention named Pike
Speaker 1: its Commissioner to Indian Territory and authorized him to negotiate
Speaker 1: treaties with various tribes. As a result of this of
Speaker 1: his experience there, the Confederate War Department appointed him a
Speaker 1: brigadier general in the Confederate Army in August eighteen sixty
Speaker 1: one and assigned him to the Department of the Indian Territory.
Speaker 1: Pike assisted the tribes that supported the Confederacy in raising regiments.
Speaker 1: He believed that these units would be critical to protecting
Speaker 1: the territory from the Union incursion, but his belief that
Speaker 1: the Indian units should be kept in Indian territory brought
Speaker 1: him into early conflict with his superiors. In the spring
Speaker 1: of eighteen sixty two, General Earl Van Dorn ordered him
Speaker 1: to bring his twenty five hundred Indian troops into northwestern Arkansas.
Speaker 1: Despite his opposition of the move, Pike obeyed, and his
Speaker 1: Indian forces of about nine hundred men joined the Confederate
Speaker 1: forces in northwest Arkansas on March seventh and eight, eighteen
Speaker 1: sixty two. They participated in the Battle of p Ridge
Speaker 1: aka Elkhorn Tavern, led by Pike. Pike proved a poor leader,
Speaker 1: and he failed to keep his force engaged with the
Speaker 1: enemy or in check. Charges circulated widely that the men
Speaker 1: had stopped their advance to take scalps. After the Battlepike
Speaker 1: and his men returned to Indian Territory. So he proved
Speaker 1: to be a pretty a shitty battlefield commander. And I
Speaker 1: mean to be honest, right, obviously he's a book nerd.
Speaker 1: He's not a military guy. But also it kind of
Speaker 1: sucks whenever you get your boys that you got to
Speaker 1: join and instead of like holding a line and advancing
Speaker 1: a charge and all this stuff, they start scalping the
Speaker 1: dudes they just killed. And it's like, no, no, we
Speaker 1: got to keep pushing. I need a scalp, dude, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about. I'm not going up there. I
Speaker 1: gotta get this scout first, then we proceed. It's like
Speaker 1: the Native Americans and the white man fought wars very differently,
Speaker 1: which is why the Natives gave the white guy so
Speaker 1: much hell whenever they were doing like guerrilla warfare tactics.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so anyway, moving on, opposition to Confederate policy
Speaker 1: over Indian territory would continue to be a source of
Speaker 1: conflict between Pike and his superiors. Unhappy with Pike, in
Speaker 1: the summer of eighteen sixty two, General Thomas Henman, commander
Speaker 1: of the Confederate forces in Arkansas, attempted to extend his
Speaker 1: authority over the territory. Pike responded by issuing a circular
Speaker 1: that refused to surrender control and charged him with trying
Speaker 1: to replace constitutional government with despotism, so him being a
Speaker 1: good writer and being able to spend a narrative that
Speaker 1: really played to his favor multiple times. Ultimately, the dispute
Speaker 1: between the two went to the Confederate authorities at Richmond.
Speaker 1: The authorities decided in favor of him in and reprimanded
Speaker 1: Pike on July twelve. Pike resigned from his position in protests.
Speaker 1: With his resignation, Pike retired to Greasy Cove at Montgomery County,
Speaker 1: and he was appointed as a judge of the state
Speaker 1: Supreme Court in eighteen sixty four, but little is known
Speaker 1: of his activities in court. At the end of the
Speaker 1: Civil War, Pike moved to New York and then for
Speaker 1: a short time Canada. After receiving amnesty from President Andrew
Speaker 1: Johnson in August eighteen sixty five, he returned for a
Speaker 1: time to Arkansas and resumed his law practice. Eighteen sixty seven,
Speaker 1: he moved to Memphis, Tennessee, and entered a new law
Speaker 1: partnership with General Charles Adams. He was also editing Memphis Appeal.
Speaker 1: It was the paper at the time. He may have
Speaker 1: been involved in the organization of the KKK at this time.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, who could have seen that come in.
Speaker 1: Let's also not negate the fact that on top of
Speaker 1: writing the book for Morals and Dogma, on top of
Speaker 1: being very well versed in all the esoteric things, he
Speaker 1: was also one of the founding fucking members of the Klan.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean it's I mean, it's pretty obvious
Speaker 3: that he would have been, especially how he reacted to
Speaker 3: anything that wasn't pro owning slaves. So yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: his thing should have been taken down and should stay down.
Speaker 1: I agree the piece of shit. I fully agree there.
Speaker 1: He was engaged for a time in politics, editing the Patriot,
Speaker 1: a Democrat newspaper for the record, the Democrat Party has
Speaker 1: always and still is the party of racism start to finish.
Speaker 1: From eighteen sixty eight to eighteen seventy he also practiced
Speaker 1: law in partnership with Robert Johnson, former US Senator until
Speaker 1: eighteen eighty. Although less interested in Arkansas affairs, one of
Speaker 1: his last major roles in the state would be his
Speaker 1: support to the administration of President Ulysses S. Grant of
Speaker 1: Elijah Baxter claiming for the governorship of eighteen seventy four.
Speaker 1: Moving forward here. After ceasing practicing law, Pike's real interest
Speaker 1: was the Masonic lodge. He had become a Mason in
Speaker 1: eighteen fifty and participated in the creation of the Masonic
Speaker 1: Saint John's College in Little Rock that same year eighteen
Speaker 1: fifty one. He helped form the Grand Chapter of Arkansas
Speaker 1: and was its Grand High Priest from eighteen fifty three
Speaker 1: to eighteen fifty four. In eighteen fifty three, he also
Speaker 1: associated with the Scottish Right of Masons and rose rapidly
Speaker 1: in the organization, which because he had the money, and
Speaker 1: he was well first, and he was well plugged in,
Speaker 1: educated all the things, all the things. In eighteen fifty nine,
Speaker 1: he was elected Grand Commander of the Supreme Council Southern
Speaker 1: Jurisdiction of the United States, the administrative district for all
Speaker 1: parts of the country except the fifteen states east of
Speaker 1: the Mississippi River in north of Ohio, and held.
Speaker 2: That post until his death.
Speaker 1: After the war, he devoted much of his time to
Speaker 1: rewriting the rituals of Scottish Rite Masons.
Speaker 2: For years.
Speaker 1: His Morals and Dogma, which was written in eighteen seventy one,
Speaker 1: still in print, was distributed to members of the Rite.
Speaker 1: Over his career he published numerous other works on the order,
Speaker 1: including Meaning of Masonry, Book of the Words, The Point
Speaker 1: within the Circle. As he aged, he also became interested
Speaker 1: in spiritualism, particularly Indian thought and its relationship to Masonry.
Speaker 1: Late in life, he learned Sanskrit and translated various literary
Speaker 1: works in that language. As a result of his work
Speaker 1: in this area, he published Indo Aryan Das and worship
Speaker 1: as contained in the rig Veda.
Speaker 2: So the dude was, Yes, he was a horrible racist.
Speaker 1: But he was also very well read and very intelligent
Speaker 1: as far as all these languages were concerned. In transliterating
Speaker 1: these books. Pike was much honored after his death. His
Speaker 1: Masonic brothers erected a statue of him in nineteen oh
Speaker 1: one in Washington, d C. Authorities also named the first
Speaker 1: highway between Hot Springs and Colorado Springs, the Albert Pike Highway.
Speaker 1: In Colorado, Albert Pike Hotel bears his name, as does
Speaker 1: the Albert Pike Memorial Temple. Both are in Little Rock,
Speaker 1: and his Little Rock home remains standing. Discussions about removing
Speaker 1: the statue in Washington, d C and other Confederate generals
Speaker 1: around the country began in the summer of twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: following a white supremacist rally at a Confederate monument in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Speaker 1: On June nineteen, twenty twenty, the statue was toppled amid
Speaker 1: ongoing protests across the nation. Following the murder of George Floyd.
Speaker 1: On August four, twenty twenty five. Just last year, y'all,
Speaker 1: it was a few months ago. I actually have time
Speaker 1: of recording, the National Park Service announced that the statue
Speaker 1: was being restored for installation. It was reinstalled October twenty fifth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, despite a shutdown from the federal government.
Speaker 1: At the time the government shutdown was going on, no
Speaker 1: federal employees were getting paid. Yet somehow the National Park
Speaker 1: Service still found the funds to pay the employees to
Speaker 1: re erect his statue.
Speaker 3: And you want to tell me that it wasn't coincidence, Like,
Speaker 3: come on, now, you saw his body was moved in
Speaker 3: nineteen forty four and put in the temple.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: They took it from Oak Hill symmetry and then they
Speaker 3: put it in the temple.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: No, there's no way that, especially during the shutdown, that
Speaker 3: this was happening. They weren't aware of what this man did.
Speaker 3: So we stood for Let's talk a.
Speaker 1: Little bit about Well, I want to talk about the
Speaker 1: legend Hiram Abiff real quick. Let's talk about the book itself,
Speaker 1: Moral and Dogma by Albert Pike. So Lucifer gets brought
Speaker 1: up a good bit and he's called the light Bearer,
Speaker 1: the strange and mysterious name to give to the spirit
Speaker 1: of darkness, Lucifer, the sun of the morning. It is
Speaker 1: he who bears the light and with its splendors, intolerable blinds, feeble, sensual.
Speaker 2: Or selfish souls.
Speaker 1: Doubt it not?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Okay? What the fuck are we talking about here. If
Speaker 1: two Masons meet each other and they're in public and
Speaker 1: they don't know each other, but they see the logos
Speaker 1: or whatever, you might hear them say, oh, okay, I
Speaker 1: see you're a fellow traveler, and what that means is
Speaker 1: you are traveling, and you'll they'll ask you what direction
Speaker 1: are you traveling? Right? Because that also goes into one
Speaker 1: of the the vows that they take upon joining Free Masonry.
Speaker 1: I state your name traveling from the west to the east,
Speaker 1: seeking the light and the illumination, because the sun rises
Speaker 1: in the east. Right. So if you have a Mason
Speaker 1: saying which to which direction you're traveling, typically they'll say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know me, man, I'm traveling east, because they're traveling
Speaker 1: towards the light.
Speaker 2: Now, if you'll get one of the older.
Speaker 1: Cats, one of the more quote unquote illuminated Masons, i e.
Speaker 1: Somebody at a higher level, they might say, well, actually,
Speaker 1: I'm traveling west, And what that means is they've already
Speaker 1: gone east, attained the illumination, and now they're heading back
Speaker 1: to elevate brothers of a lower or younger status trying
Speaker 1: to give them the knowledge and give them the information
Speaker 1: to help them level up, so to speak. So there's
Speaker 1: another turn of phrase. But traveling towards the east to
Speaker 1: the sun, fine, all finding good. The problem is, according
Speaker 1: to Morals and Dogma, you're traveling east to get to
Speaker 1: the morning Star, which they literally name as Lucifer. And no,
Speaker 1: they do not mean this, and there's gonna be people. Well,
Speaker 1: that's more of like a philosophical thing. No, no, actually,
Speaker 1: clearly in the book he describes that they are doing
Speaker 1: this as a form of Satanic worship.
Speaker 2: Like it's this isn't a hypothetical.
Speaker 3: Interesting and people who like didn't question this, considering how
Speaker 3: many people were of Catholic and Christian faith back then.
Speaker 1: Most people don't read Morals and Dogma. Most Masons have
Speaker 1: never read the book. They might have a couple of
Speaker 1: excerpts that they memorized from it because this, again was
Speaker 1: like what they did as far as their rituals are concerns,
Speaker 1: so they may read that section. They haven't read the
Speaker 1: entire thing cover to cover, and even if they did,
Speaker 1: they would probably overlook that right.
Speaker 2: They would probably be like, oh.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess this guy was kind of on some
Speaker 1: wild shit. But anyway, moving on, we'll tell me about
Speaker 1: this other rich walk out to do when I hit
Speaker 1: level thirteen. But you see what I'm saying. It's it's
Speaker 1: not the entire point of the book. But he's also
Speaker 1: not shy about it either. We already read a little
Speaker 1: bit about his up bringing, in his past and all
Speaker 1: these things. So morals and dogma, So the first degree apprenticed, Okay,
Speaker 1: the twelve inch rule and the common gabble. Unregulated and irregulated.
Speaker 1: Is not only wasted in the void like that of gunpowder,
Speaker 1: burned in the open air, and steam unconfined by science,
Speaker 1: but striking in the dark as it blows, meeting only
Speaker 1: the air, they recoil and bruise itself. It is destruction
Speaker 1: and ruin. It is the volcano, the earthquake, the cyclone,
Speaker 1: not growth in progress. It is polyphemus, blinded, striking at
Speaker 1: random and falling headlong among the sharp rocks by the
Speaker 1: impetus of his own blows.
Speaker 4: Oh, my god, bro as wordy as fuck?
Speaker 2: Oh oh, wordy, wordy, she says.
Speaker 3: No wonder people haven't read this, Like, dear God, did
Speaker 3: you just want to hear himself talk like yes, yes, clearly,
Speaker 3: the tyrants use the force of the people to chain
Speaker 3: and subjugate that that is, invoke the people.
Speaker 1: Wow, this dude brings up under Claudius, under Domitian. Uh,
Speaker 1: he brings up Caesar, he brings up Cara Kala, he
Speaker 1: brings up Zeus, he brings up the spawn of Commedas.
Speaker 2: Like he's this.
Speaker 1: Dude is going on and on and that's just level one.
Speaker 3: And these people decided to take this bullshit and apply
Speaker 3: it national or worldwide. Yeah to the Masons. And now
Speaker 3: this is how they follow it, Like why would you
Speaker 3: do this?
Speaker 2: I mean, he's clearly smarter than me, so I need
Speaker 2: to listen to.
Speaker 3: I mean, somebody at some point could have like rewritten
Speaker 3: this by now and made it like a lot better
Speaker 3: and be like, you know, maybe we should take out
Speaker 3: a lot of this shit where like hurting people or
Speaker 3: children or whatever they do is not a vibe.
Speaker 2: So let's just read this too.
Speaker 1: These are the ten commandments from morals and dogma. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go. God is eternal, omnipotent, immutable wisdom and supreme
Speaker 1: intelligence and exhaustless love. Thou shalt adore, revere and love him.
Speaker 1: Thou shalt honor him by practicing the virtues. And they
Speaker 1: don't mean the virtues of the Bible. They mean the
Speaker 1: virtues of freemasonry. Thy religion shall be to do good
Speaker 1: because it is a pleasure to THEE, and not merely
Speaker 1: because it is a duty. That thou mayest become the
Speaker 1: friend of the wise man. Thou shalt obey his precepts.
Speaker 1: Thy soul is immortal, Thou shalt do nothing to degrade it. Okay,
Speaker 1: Thou shalt this unceasingly war against vice. Thou shalt not
Speaker 1: do unto others that which thou wouldst not wish them
Speaker 1: to do unto THEE. The golden rule Jesus Christ. Thou
Speaker 1: shalt be submissive to thy fortunes and keep burning the
Speaker 1: light of wisdom. All right. This is Number three. Thou
Speaker 1: shalt honor thy parents. Thou shalt pay respect and homage
Speaker 1: and on my to the aged. Thou shalt instruct the young,
Speaker 1: and thou shalt protect and defend infancy and innocence. Okay,
Speaker 1: Thou shalt cherish thy wife and thy child children. Thou
Speaker 1: shalt love thy country and obey its laws. All right.
Speaker 1: Number six, Thy friends shall be to THEE a second self.
Speaker 1: Misfortune shall not estrange THEE from him. Thou shalt do
Speaker 1: for his memory whatever thou wouldst do for him if
Speaker 1: he were living. Okay, so be a homie. Number seven,
Speaker 1: Thou shalt avoid and flee from insincere friendships, keep fake
Speaker 1: ass bitches at check. I feel that thou shalt and
Speaker 1: everything refrain from excess. Thou shalt fear to be the
Speaker 1: cause of a stain on thy memory.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Number eight, thou shalt allow no passions to become thy master.
Speaker 1: Thou shalt make the passions of other profitable lessons to thyself.
Speaker 1: Thou shalt be indulgent to error. Number nine Thou shalt
Speaker 1: hear much, Thou shall speak little. Thou shalt act act well.
Speaker 1: You should forget injuries, You should render good for evil.
Speaker 1: You should not misuse either thy strength or thy superiority.
Speaker 1: And number ten thou shalt study to know men, that
Speaker 1: thereby thou mayst learned to know thyself. Thou shalt ever
Speaker 1: seek after virtue. Thou shalt be just, and thou shalt
Speaker 1: avoid idleness.
Speaker 3: Okay, So okay, So, like, how do we get from
Speaker 3: that to what is it exactly that they do in
Speaker 3: the thirty third degree?
Speaker 4: Like, what is it they're supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Oh, for the record, everything we just did was that
Speaker 1: was just first level. Now we're at level two, fellow craft.
Speaker 1: So let's see if I could scroll down to the
Speaker 1: finals of the thirty third and you know, it'll just
Speaker 1: give you a better picture than one I could give
Speaker 1: you honestly. Oh oh, there was one. There was Satan.
Speaker 1: There was Satan. Hold on where I just had it.
Speaker 1: Damn it, I just had it up. In one respect,
Speaker 1: all gnostics greed, they all hailed, and there was a
Speaker 1: world purely emanating of the vital development of God, a
Speaker 1: creation evolved, developing of the divine essence, far exalted above
Speaker 1: any outward creation produced by God's plastic power, wow and
Speaker 1: condition by pre existing matter. They agreed in holding that
Speaker 1: the farmer in his lower world was not the father
Speaker 1: of that higher world, of the emanation, but the demiurge.
Speaker 1: So you can see that he is bringing on he's
Speaker 1: even bringing up Plato God like the Syrian gnosis, all
Speaker 1: of these things, and right here we have Satan. But
Speaker 1: on the other hand, since the chaotic principle of matter
Speaker 1: has acquired vitality, there now arises a more distinct and
Speaker 1: more active opposition to the godlike a barely negative, blind,
Speaker 1: ungodly nature power which abstainly resists all influence of the divine. Hence,
Speaker 1: as products of the spirit of the pneumohilicon are satan,
Speaker 1: malignant spirits, wicked men, in none of whom there is
Speaker 1: any reasonable or moral principle, or any principle of rational will.
Speaker 1: But blind passions alone have the ascendiary in them. There
Speaker 1: is some conflict, as the scheme of Platonism supposes, between
Speaker 1: the soul under guidance of the divine reason the noose
Speaker 1: and the soul blindly resisting reason, between the pronoia and
Speaker 1: the a nag excuse me, or the divine principle in
Speaker 1: the nature. So he goes into all of these esoteric principles.
Speaker 1: All this in his book. By the way, all this
Speaker 1: is in the book. And so wait, what was that one?
Speaker 1: Are we on another level? Now? It looked like a
Speaker 1: title sequence.
Speaker 2: No, okay, basically, and it's been a long.
Speaker 1: Time since I like actually thumbed through the book myself.
Speaker 1: But it gets more in depth the higher up and
Speaker 1: levels you go. And oh, here we go. That was
Speaker 1: all twenty sixth So now at twenty seven now, Commander
Speaker 1: of the Temple, it goes on and on and on on,
Speaker 1: but essentially, essentially at the thirty third degree, they have
Speaker 1: one question for you. You wouldn't have gotten to the
Speaker 1: thirty second degree unless you had already done your reading
Speaker 1: into all of these things, into all of the background,
Speaker 1: the stories, the you know, gnostic conversations, the hermetic principles
Speaker 1: of the flupty flaws like they have, all these things.
Speaker 1: You had to have done this to get to that point.
Speaker 1: So then when you get to that thirty second degree
Speaker 1: and you're there for a few years and they decide
Speaker 1: to call you up, tap you on the shoulder, right,
Speaker 1: you have to go to the Grand Lodge of the
Speaker 1: United States, which is in Washington, d c. They bring
Speaker 1: you into the Grand Chamber and they ask you one question,
Speaker 1: whom do you serve? That's it. And typically brothers will say,
Speaker 1: I serve the Order, I serve my brothers, I serve
Speaker 1: you know, I serve the Masons, all these things, and
Speaker 1: they ask them to leave, and then they have to
Speaker 1: come back. There. There's cases where this dude did it,
Speaker 1: you know a hundred times, left the room for a
Speaker 1: few minutes, thought about. A better answer comes in whom
Speaker 1: do you serve? The answer they're looking for is Lucifer.
Speaker 4: Hmm okay.
Speaker 1: And because they don't see Lucifer as the negative, they
Speaker 1: don't see him as the evil being.
Speaker 2: They see him as.
Speaker 1: The light bearer, the illuminated one, the one that gives
Speaker 1: the humans the knowledge of good and evil and all
Speaker 1: these things. It's crazy, the twenty eighth degree Night of
Speaker 1: the Sun or Prince Adept they keep. The more higher
Speaker 1: up you go in levels, the more grandiose the titles sound.
Speaker 1: To be completely honest with you, it's a very long book.
Speaker 1: I'm scrolling through right now and I'm on page four
Speaker 1: hundred and ten of this type of reading, which again
Speaker 1: is very very poetic in nature. To be honest with.
Speaker 4: You, he's long witted, bitch, Oh, very long winded. He
Speaker 4: really likes to hear himself talk, which.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got a guy that's speaking all these
Speaker 1: different languages and is this well versed in this many things.
Speaker 2: And keep in mind the day and age he was
Speaker 2: living in.
Speaker 1: This is around the same time where the Hermetic Order
Speaker 1: of the Golden Dawn was going on, right, and he
Speaker 1: was He wasn't a member of this, but he absolutely
Speaker 1: was a studier of some of the esoteric principles. This
Speaker 1: is end of the eighteen hundreds, is when that really
Speaker 1: got going. This is out Alistair Crowley, Madam Blovotsky, all
Speaker 1: these people call young who started speaking on esoteric principles
Speaker 1: and trying to get them into the upper echelon circles,
Speaker 1: so to speak. You know right here you find it. Well, no,
Speaker 1: because this is the thing. They don't have a prerequisite
Speaker 1: for the thirty third degree even in this book.
Speaker 2: This is pretty much the last chapter.
Speaker 1: Title twenty nine Scottish Writers Saying of Scape Jesus Christ
Speaker 1: twenty ninth degree in Freemasonry, the Scottish Knight of Saint Andrew,
Speaker 1: thirtieth degree, Knight Kodash or Kadash, thirty one Inspector Inquisitor
Speaker 1: and thirty second degree Master of the Royal secret There
Speaker 1: is no other chapter beyond this, the kind of wrap
Speaker 1: them all up into this, and then the final one
Speaker 1: just kind of talks about and as in each Trianglar perfection,
Speaker 1: one is three and three are one. So man is
Speaker 1: one though a double of nature, and he attains the
Speaker 1: purpose of his being only when two natures are in
Speaker 1: him that are just are in just equilibrium, and his
Speaker 1: life is a success only when it two is in
Speaker 1: harmony and beautiful, like the great harmonies of God in
Speaker 1: the universe. Such my Brother is the true word of
Speaker 1: a Master Mason, such the Royal Secret, which makes possible
Speaker 1: and shall at length make real the holy Empire of
Speaker 1: true Masonic Brotherhood. This is pretty much where I go.
Speaker 3: It's so, how did they get the thirty third? Like
Speaker 3: who created it? Did Pike create it? And then like
Speaker 3: it's just an oral thing that they decided to do essentially.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't want to even give him
Speaker 1: the distinction of saying he created it, but he's the
Speaker 1: one that really put pin to paper and sectioned it
Speaker 1: off to be what it is. If that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Let me see here.
Speaker 3: More So, if they're just if they're just hailing Satan,
Speaker 3: are they actually committing like hainous crimes like so many
Speaker 3: people talk about, like the conspiracies talk about like they
Speaker 3: have to kill somebody or they have to do like
Speaker 3: horrible shit to be able to get to the thirty third?
Speaker 3: Like are they actually doing that or is it just
Speaker 3: more of a conspiracy?
Speaker 1: No again, ninety nine point nine nine nine percent of
Speaker 1: Masons are not doing any conspiratorial things.
Speaker 2: They're just they're just dudes. They're just a part of
Speaker 2: a boys club.
Speaker 1: They like to get together and do some charity work,
Speaker 1: smoke some stoves, have a little glass of brandy, you know,
Speaker 1: and bring in the younger generation and the networking and
Speaker 1: the financial benefits. If you ever get jammed up, they'll
Speaker 1: come to your aid. And there's so many things. There's
Speaker 1: so many benefits on paper to joining. It's the ones
Speaker 1: at the very tippy top. And that's the other thing too.
Speaker 1: In America we only have blue side masonry offered, and yeah,
Speaker 1: you have the red and you have the purple one whatever.
Speaker 1: But in Europe, in very small esoteric circles, you have
Speaker 1: what's called white side free masonry. This is something that
Speaker 1: most American Masons will disagree even exists.
Speaker 2: But remember how we talked about earlier.
Speaker 1: There was four thousand rights and all these things and
Speaker 1: degrees and all this shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fifty two.
Speaker 2: So there is.
Speaker 1: Less known about these groups because worldwide there's only thirty
Speaker 1: three accepted levels and that's all blue side. However, not
Speaker 1: only did the elites of the past decide that thirty
Speaker 1: three was the number they should stop, they also decided
Speaker 1: that there should be an offshoot that only the select
Speaker 1: of the select of the select could even be invited to.
Speaker 2: Most thirty third degree Masons, they may know.
Speaker 1: That it exists, but most of them will never actually
Speaker 1: go to a meeting of Whiteside Free Masons. There's three
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty degrees within white Side free Masonry, and
Speaker 1: it is overly magic with a K. There is the sacrifices,
Speaker 1: there is the actual demonic entities that they are doing
Speaker 1: deals with, and all these things. And again, your average
Speaker 1: Mason has never even heard of this, or they've heard that,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that conspiracy. It's a yeah, totally that's a thing,
Speaker 1: but they don't actually believe it.
Speaker 2: It is absolutely a real thing.
Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't know that was actually like a real thing.
Speaker 1: Yep. It's existed four years, but it didn't get officially
Speaker 1: recognized until after morals and dogma had been And because
Speaker 1: that's not just an American publication, Mason's worldwide use that
Speaker 1: to talk about the thirty two degrees of Scottish.
Speaker 2: Right free Masonry.
Speaker 1: York right has I want to say, like thirteen levels
Speaker 1: to it, and they like they jump up. It's like
Speaker 1: you go from three to five to seven to thirteen
Speaker 1: to nineteen. There's not as many independent levels as you
Speaker 1: do with the Scottish right, but essentially you can achieve
Speaker 1: thirty third through the York or the Scottish. That's the
Speaker 1: other distinction as well. Now there are dudes that do both.
Speaker 1: They will go all the way up on the York
Speaker 1: right side, and then they will go all the way
Speaker 1: up on.
Speaker 2: The Scottish right side. That takes years.
Speaker 4: That takes money, like your whole year, like your whole life.
Speaker 2: And that's the other thing too.
Speaker 1: Let's say you go to that level, you become a
Speaker 1: York right, you become a templar, which you're finally seeing
Speaker 1: as a templar when you hit the twentieth level, right, Okay, cool.
Speaker 1: And then you go all the way to the tippy
Speaker 1: top of that side, and then you go to the
Speaker 1: shriner side, to the Scottish right, and you're doing all
Speaker 1: these things and you finally you've spent decades of your
Speaker 1: life studying this information and applying all these philosophical mind
Speaker 1: fucks to your life to make yourself what you're trying
Speaker 1: to be the best person you could possibly be. You've
Speaker 1: dedicated thirty years, forty years, you've paid dues like as
Speaker 1: religiously as possible. You are a brother through and through,
Speaker 1: and then you get that tap on the shoulder, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe if you have hailed a position of maybe to
Speaker 1: be like the state grand Master or something at that point,
Speaker 1: and you get a taple on the shoulder to come
Speaker 1: up to the big boys, to be a level thirty three.
Speaker 1: And then you find out that you've been doing all
Speaker 1: this in the service of Lucifer at that point. At
Speaker 1: that point, your life is the brotherhood. You can't you're
Speaker 1: gonna walk away from forty years of dedicated service. However
Speaker 1: many thousands and thousands of dollars you've donated to these
Speaker 1: charities and these causes, and your dues and all these things.
Speaker 1: All of your friends are made, all of your family
Speaker 1: connections are masons, your job is dependent upon it. At
Speaker 1: certain points like it's there are so many things that
Speaker 1: basically you've already sold your soul to the devil at
Speaker 1: that point, Yeah, you could walk away and lose who
Speaker 1: you are as a person for the last forty years.
Speaker 1: Most guys don't try.
Speaker 3: I try to look up the White Side stuff, and
Speaker 3: there's like no information on it. I did find that
Speaker 3: the chapter that is the Freemasons for all of Europe,
Speaker 3: and so that's interesting. You can click on each country
Speaker 3: and find all sorts of information about that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're not going to find a lot of
Speaker 1: online information about the White Side because specifically, it's.
Speaker 3: All I hear saying hush hush conversations and channels.
Speaker 4: Kind of a situation I.
Speaker 1: Met one one time when I was in DC. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I saw a logo on the
Speaker 1: back of a car that I didn't recognize. And I'm
Speaker 1: somebody who has been looking into the Freemason since I
Speaker 1: was in like middle school, like real shit. So when
Speaker 1: I saw this specific logo, I asked him about it,
Speaker 1: and he didn't tell me anything about it except for
Speaker 1: the fact that and I was a young marine at
Speaker 1: this time.
Speaker 2: He didn't tell me. He's like, oh, that's that's Whiteside masonry.
Speaker 2: And I'm like.
Speaker 1: You you mean, like cause you'll see the white logo
Speaker 1: with a Masonic emblem and that's fine, whatever, cool, cool,
Speaker 1: That's not what this logo was. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I still, I'd never seen this before my life, and
Speaker 1: I was like, it was next to a bunch of
Speaker 1: other Masonic logos, So I knew that it was connected
Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not offered in this country. And I'm like, so,
Speaker 1: what is it. He's like, well, you know, to tell.
Speaker 2: You that I have to kill you.
Speaker 1: You know that. The Mason's always make that joke whenever
Speaker 1: you ask him about it or whatever.
Speaker 4: But he's probably actually being serious at that time.
Speaker 2: I think he might have been.
Speaker 4: I think he might have been.
Speaker 1: This was God, where was I. I forget what kind
Speaker 1: of big event, big dinner I was at or whatever,
Speaker 1: but I saw that and I had to.
Speaker 2: Ask about it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so whiteside masonry is literally just not offered
Speaker 1: in this country.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's more than there.
Speaker 4: May be the old country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like there may be four or five Whiteside Masons
Speaker 1: in America, like real shit.
Speaker 2: I don't mean lodges, I mean individuals, all right.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we could go more and more in depth on
Speaker 1: this the legend of Hiramabefuh. We could also go more
Speaker 1: in depth as far as Philadelphia's founding years were rife
Speaker 1: with conspiracy fears about the godless Freemasons in the Illuminati.
Speaker 1: You know, actually, let's do this one. Let's do this
Speaker 1: one stead because the Hira mabief one is a long,
Speaker 1: a long read, and honestly, we can make a whole
Speaker 1: episode about Hire mabiff In and of itself. So let's
Speaker 1: talk about this. So we do know that George Washington
Speaker 1: was initiated into Freemasonry at the age of twenty. Okay,
Speaker 1: he was a lifelong Mason. And it wasn't just him,
Speaker 1: A lot of the founding founder a lot of the
Speaker 1: founding fathers were as a matter of fact. So how
Speaker 1: conspiracy spread has changed immensely over the history of the
Speaker 1: United States as technology and media have evolved, but the
Speaker 1: nature of conspiracies has not, so the person writing this.
Speaker 1: I teach communication courses at Villanova University, twelve miles from Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: on how conspiracy theories are created and disseminated. As the
Speaker 1: nation approaches its two hundred and fiftieth anniversary on July fourth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, I have been thinking about the early
Speaker 1: history of Philadelphia and the controversial people, stories, and ideas,
Speaker 1: including conspiracies, that permeated the city during the second half
Speaker 1: of the seventeen hundreds. Conspiracy theories describe alternate versions of events,
Speaker 1: such as the collapse of the Twin Towers of the
Speaker 1: World Trade Center that contrast with the official accepted versions
Speaker 1: of events. Conspiracies, however, involve small groups of people who
Speaker 1: act in secret for their own gain and against the
Speaker 1: common good. Examples of conspiracies include the Watergate scandal by
Speaker 1: Nixon and members of the administration, or the Tuskegee experiments,
Speaker 1: in which the US public health professionals treated unsuspecting African
Speaker 1: Americans with syphilis with the placebo which all this is accurate,
Speaker 1: Colonial America was rife with perceived conspiratorial agendas. Many of
Speaker 1: these stem from the uneasy coexistence of political parties with religion,
Speaker 1: which was newly protected by the First Amendment, and with
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church in particular Freemasons in the cradle of liberty.
Speaker 1: So this also is worth mentioning. Here the gavel represents
Speaker 1: the refining of characteristics and the removal of vices among Freemasons.
Speaker 1: This is like some stained glass of a Masonic logo,
Speaker 1: worth mentioning. So Philadelphia was the country's political center during
Speaker 1: the American Revolution, which began in seventeen seventy five. After
Speaker 1: the war ended in america victory in seventeen eighty one.
Speaker 1: Philadelphia served as the capital of the US beginning in
Speaker 1: seventeen ninety until Washington, d c. Was chosen by America's
Speaker 1: permanent capital in eighteen hundred. During this period, the US
Speaker 1: dependent on contributions from its political and civil figures to
Speaker 1: develop further leaders with skills and intelligence. Among the group
Speaker 1: of some of the country's leaders were Freemasons and the
Speaker 1: independent brethren of skilled Stonemasons. In England, landowners or even
Speaker 1: royalty owned many Masons or owned many Masons. But some
Speaker 1: Masons were self sufficient and enjoyed their freedom to work
Speaker 1: as they wished when they made their way to America
Speaker 1: by the seventeen twenties. Their high standards of workmanship, fair trade,
Speaker 1: and reasons as they taught their craft made them influential
Speaker 1: in society. Being a Freemason was marked was a mark
Speaker 1: of sophistication. Freemasons were high status, wealthy men. The fraternity
Speaker 1: provided a forum for networking, not just for stone shapers,
Speaker 1: but other men who were successful in business, trade, or
Speaker 1: even colonial administration. Now you might recognize this picture raven
Speaker 1: Lee I do I do, I do the old Ton
Speaker 1: tavern in time tavern so by the late seventeen forties.
Speaker 1: Almost all of Philadelphia's Freemasons were also merchants, ship owners,
Speaker 1: or successful artisans. They were considered political, intellectual, and creative
Speaker 1: leaders in colonial Philadelphia. So the Ton Tavern was also
Speaker 1: a popular hangout in Philadelphia for Freemasons and other political
Speaker 1: brass in the late seventeen hundreds, And we saw that
Speaker 1: when we went to Philadelphia, we saw a lot Freemasons.
Speaker 1: The Ton Tavern was once used to hold Masonic meetings
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, So there's to say that
Speaker 1: the founding of the Marine Corps and the founding of
Speaker 1: Freemasonry in the United States, like they are directly linked,
Speaker 1: believe it or not. So.
Speaker 2: Freemasons built notable.
Speaker 1: Structures throughout the Philadelphia and southern New Jersey areas, as
Speaker 1: well as New York, Boston, and other parts of New England.
Speaker 1: But because the group's rituals and oaths were shielded from
Speaker 1: public view and performed in clandestine sessions in Masonic temples,
Speaker 1: rumors spread about their activities. Some believe Freemasons secretly conspired
Speaker 1: against American values, especially religion.
Speaker 2: Freemasons believed in principles.
Speaker 1: Such as rationalism, which views science and logic rather than
Speaker 1: sensory experiences as the foundation of knowledge. Freemasons also held
Speaker 1: that everything in the universe is the result of natural
Speaker 1: causes rather than supernatural or divine. They treated all religions equally.
Speaker 1: They allow participation in them, but believed no faith was
Speaker 1: to be favored as possessing the One True God. This
Speaker 1: was in contrast with the religions argue their doctrine exclusively
Speaker 1: expressed in the Truth. In seventeen thirty eight, Pope Clement
Speaker 1: the Seventh, I'm sorry, Pope Clement the twelfth banned Freemasons
Speaker 1: from joining the Catholic Church, a prohibition that still exists today.
Speaker 2: So just we're all clear.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he made it to where if you are a
Speaker 1: Catholic and you're also a Freemason, you are hereby excommunicated
Speaker 1: from the church and you're going to hell.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's interesting considering how many Catholics we have
Speaker 3: downe here and how many Freemasons, so so few of
Speaker 3: those like under the table things.
Speaker 1: The Catholics still have some very deep seated issues with Freemasonry. However,
Speaker 1: it's one of those laws that like, yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: law in the books, but who enforces it. You know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, did you know just throwing it
Speaker 1: out that if you are a Communist and you're a
Speaker 1: member of the Communist Party in the United States, you
Speaker 1: are not allowed to hold any public office, Like that's
Speaker 1: a federal crime.
Speaker 4: I did not.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of weird rules that I had no
Speaker 3: I've never heard about known about.
Speaker 1: Three members of the Communist Party have been elected to
Speaker 1: offices when in the last eighteen months, really they should
Speaker 1: be charged for federal crimes and serve jail time. But
Speaker 1: it's one of those laws that is not enforced. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing, that's a real thing. For the record,
Speaker 1: Communis are evil. We need to we need They're not people.
Speaker 1: They're not people. They are not people. Anyway, moving on,
Speaker 1: they treated all religions equally, like we talked about about
Speaker 1: Papa Pope Clement made it to where Catholics cannot join Freemasons.
Speaker 1: So the Godless Illuminati, another secret society, also peaked at
Speaker 1: this time in various parts of Europe, and it drew
Speaker 1: suspicion among Americans that members exerted influence over the New Nation.
Speaker 1: Members of the Illuminati, a movement that started in Germany,
Speaker 1: in seventeen seventy six, promoted Enlightenment values and ideas, including logic, secularism,
Speaker 1: and education. Like Freemasons, they rejected superstition. Unlike Freemasons, however,
Speaker 1: they also rejected religion and its influence on society. We
Speaker 1: should also mention the fact that the Illuminati was founded
Speaker 1: by a dude that was not allowed to join the Freemasons,
Speaker 1: which we could do a whole episode on that one
Speaker 1: as well, but he basically will have him Yeah, he
Speaker 1: started it as a way to be a counter or
Speaker 1: a rival of the Freemasons. Later that one was disbanded
Speaker 1: while the Freemasons were allowed to thrive. And when that happened,
Speaker 1: the Freemasons basically just adopted the members of the Illuminati,
Speaker 1: and they brought their esoteric knowledge with them, and now
Speaker 1: the Illuminati is a part of Freemasonry.
Speaker 4: We'll have to go a deep dive into this at
Speaker 4: a later time.
Speaker 1: We will have to Europe most outlaw mostly outlawed the
Speaker 1: movement before seventeen ninety due to the group's attempts to
Speaker 1: greatly lessen religious influence, which again in seventeen hundreds, that's
Speaker 1: that's a fate worse than death. The Illuminati occupy key
Speaker 1: roles in the educational system and government of Bavaria, where
Speaker 1: they weakened clerical authority. The normally secret of Illuminati attracted
Speaker 1: attention through their attempts to attend and participate within Masonic temples.
Speaker 1: They used Freemason ideas along with their own ideas to
Speaker 1: recruit followers through these networks, hoping to promote an even
Speaker 1: stronger one world government led by reason instead of religion
Speaker 1: or spiritualism. That was one of their core tenets. By
Speaker 1: the way, this sit in speculation. As a result, religious
Speaker 1: and specifically Catholic leaders suspected an association between philosophically consistent
Speaker 1: Illuminati and Freemasons because there is. In a letter to
Speaker 1: George Washington in seventeen ninety eight, Reverend G. W. Snyder
Speaker 1: from Maryland attempted to awaken Washington to the danger of
Speaker 1: the Illuminati and their influence on Freemasons. He wrote about
Speaker 1: a recently published book by the Scottish physicist John Robinson
Speaker 1: called Proofs of a Conspiracy that, according to Snyder, gives
Speaker 1: a full account of a society of Freemasons that distinguishes
Speaker 1: itself by the name of Illuminati, whose plan it is
Speaker 1: to overturn all government and all religion, even natural, and
Speaker 1: who endeavor to eradicate every idea of a supreme being.
Speaker 3: Damn, seventeen ninety eight, we got our conspiracy heads already happening.
Speaker 1: If anybody wants to look that up, Proofs of a
Speaker 1: Conspiracy from seventeen ninety eight, it is, it's a pretty
Speaker 1: weird read.
Speaker 2: And honestly it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not some hair brain thing to say, like, hey,
Speaker 1: there's clearly connections between the Freemasons and the Illuminati, and
Speaker 1: one of these groups has a lot of members at
Speaker 1: the very tippy top of our government, and the other
Speaker 1: one wants to dismantle all the world's government to make
Speaker 1: one world government. Perhaps we should look a little deeper
Speaker 1: into this. But of course old Georgie Boy was on
Speaker 1: the take because he was a member of the Freemason
Speaker 1: since he was twenty. He was very well aware of
Speaker 1: what the plan was all one hundred percent. Anyway, even today,
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories still promote the illuminized existence, even after they
Speaker 1: were formally outlawed in Europe. Yeah, just like the Knights
Speaker 1: Templar were outlawed, just like the Freemasons were outlawed by
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church. It's crazy how it works out. Just
Speaker 1: like drugs are outlawed in every jail. It's so like
Speaker 1: drugs are not allowed in prisons, yet that's the easiest
Speaker 1: place to get drugs. Funny how that works even today?
Speaker 1: Can we talked about that? Even after they were formally outlawed.
Speaker 1: Such theories suggests the Illuminati still works to degrade religious
Speaker 1: influence throughout civil upheaval. A myth survives that the Illuminati
Speaker 1: still operates secretly support a world government that guide various
Speaker 1: governments on how economically controlled or how to economically control
Speaker 1: the world. But the Illuminati in the late seventeen hundreds
Speaker 1: seems to dovetail with what people assumed were the basic
Speaker 1: ideas of agendas of Freemasons in America. Some in America suspected,
Speaker 1: without obvious evidence, that Freemasons use their status to boost
Speaker 1: fellow Freemasons to various government positions.
Speaker 2: That's not a suspect thing. Some that's clear and obvious.
Speaker 2: That's how they do.
Speaker 1: But all right, they worried this would drive America to
Speaker 1: become godless or even satanic.
Speaker 4: You know, you know, you know, it's weird.
Speaker 2: It's weird.
Speaker 4: Time to be alive right now, what's going on in
Speaker 4: our world? Right in our country?
Speaker 1: Concerns about the influence of Freemasons persisted in part because
Speaker 1: American Presidents Washington and James Munroe were Free Masons. The
Speaker 1: American public was suspicious that these members reached high levels
Speaker 1: of government due to their influence of Freemasons. In fact,
Speaker 1: as many as twenty five of the fifty five men
Speaker 1: who attended the Continental Convention in Philly were Free Masons.
Speaker 1: Founding father Benjamin Franklin was a devout Mason for fifty years.
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson was widely thought to be a Mason, though
Speaker 1: there is little evidence to support this. Actually that's confirmed.
Speaker 1: He wasn't a high level Mason, but he was absolutely
Speaker 1: a member. Many of these American leaders, including Franklin, John Adams,
Speaker 1: and Jefferson, had spent time in Europe, especially France, during
Speaker 1: the late seventeen hundreds. Americans feared the European Illuminati members
Speaker 1: could directly access these political leaders and gain power and
Speaker 1: influence over the US. None of the leaders admitted to
Speaker 1: having any connections with the Illuminati well. Of course, of course,
Speaker 1: fears around Freemason and Illuminati came to a head in
Speaker 1: the dramatic vitriolic US presidential election of seventeen ninety six
Speaker 1: and eighteen hundred. In the late seventeen ninety six election,
Speaker 1: Jefferson's Republican Party accused Adam of wanting to be a
Speaker 1: king and also grooming his son John Quincy Adams to
Speaker 1: become president immediately after his father. Adam's Federalist Party and
Speaker 1: an anonymous writer in the newspaper suspected to be Alexander Hamilton,
Speaker 1: writing under the pseudonym Focian, spread rumors attacking Jefferson. Focian
Speaker 1: suggested that while Jefferson was a U S Secretary of
Speaker 1: State in France during Washington's presidency, the Illuminati influenced him
Speaker 1: in ways that would cause him to turn earn his
Speaker 1: back on religion. Which is funny because Jefferson was specifically
Speaker 1: non religious, like that's that's a known thing. He The
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson Bible is a thing where it's literally.
Speaker 2: Just the quotes of Jesus.
Speaker 1: The entire the entire Thomas Jefferson Bible is literally only
Speaker 1: quotations from Jesus with nothing else. So he was a
Speaker 1: very well educated man, and I would say he was
Speaker 1: religious or spiritual. He was not a Christian by any stretch.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Adam's Federalist Party or we've talked about that one.
Speaker 1: Ari uh Focin also accused Jefferson of fathering children with
Speaker 1: an enslaved woman, Sally Hemmings, who he kept as a
Speaker 1: concubine when he returned with her from France in seventeen
Speaker 1: ninety eight or eighty nine. Historians do believe that Jefferson
Speaker 1: did in fact have up to six children with his
Speaker 1: slave concubine, So just we're all clear, not a baseless accusation.
Speaker 1: The accusations also said Jefferson would free all enslaved people
Speaker 1: in a America if elected. Adams won in seventeen ninety
Speaker 1: six just by just three electoral votes, and Jefferson defeated
Speaker 1: him in eighteen hundred. So yah know, ah, he didn't
Speaker 1: free any slaves. Just were all clear. Jefferson absolutely didn't
Speaker 1: do that, but he did father a lot of children
Speaker 1: with his slave women. Anyway. Freemasons today have largely shrunk
Speaker 1: from their once quite prestigious influence in American society. Today,
Speaker 1: they are mostly philanthropic organizations that support many causes, such
Speaker 1: as children's hospitals, home for aged, and community services. They
Speaker 1: are about one million members in America according to an
Speaker 1: estimate from twenty twenty. That's down from a high of
Speaker 1: over four million in nineteen fifty nine. So, actually, could
Speaker 1: you look up what was the population of America in
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine, because I'm actually very curious. So twenty
Speaker 1: twenty we got about three hundred and sixty million Americans
Speaker 1: and allegedly about a million claim to be Freemasons. So
Speaker 1: that's you know, a one in three sixty five chance
Speaker 1: that you're meeting somebody on the street and they happen
Speaker 1: to be some sort of an affiliate with the Freemasons.
Speaker 3: Approximately two point nine billion was that was the world,
Speaker 3: So it is one hundred and seventy nine million here.
Speaker 1: One hundred and seventy nine million, and four million of
Speaker 1: them were free Masons.
Speaker 2: That is a much larger ratio.
Speaker 1: So you see that everybody's saying like free Mason ring
Speaker 1: is on the decline, It really is.
Speaker 4: It's like one in every forty five people is a
Speaker 4: per is one.
Speaker 1: So we've gone from one in forty five to one
Speaker 1: in three sixty. You see what, Yeah, they're definitely on
Speaker 1: the on the downslope.
Speaker 2: Anyway, they bring up certain things.
Speaker 1: This is a picture inside of the Egyptian Hall at
Speaker 1: the Masonic Temple in Philadelphia. You see a lot of
Speaker 1: the iconography. You got the wings, you got the pharaoh's heads.
Speaker 1: This is clearly a Shriner lodge because the Shriners are
Speaker 1: more of the Eastern philosophy. If it was a Knight's
Speaker 1: Templar group, you'd see the checkered floors and you'd see
Speaker 1: more things.
Speaker 2: But anyway, anyway, this is basically.
Speaker 1: The beginning, middle, and end of where the Illuminati ties
Speaker 1: came in. So, okay, before we get out of here, Raven,
Speaker 1: do you have any more questions that have been just
Speaker 1: boiling up? Because we covered a lot relatively quickly, and
Speaker 1: there's so much more to talk about, as far as
Speaker 1: hiram Abiff or the ancient stories of King Solomon and
Speaker 1: the Lesser and Greater Key of Solomon and how Albert
Speaker 1: Pike uses that in some of his things, which is
Speaker 1: calling upon demons, the Acacia tree, which is where we
Speaker 1: get DMT from, which also is what they put on
Speaker 1: top of the grade marker for hiram Abiff, and then
Speaker 1: all of these things. There's so much we could spend
Speaker 1: years talking about this, But do you have any questions
Speaker 1: as of this moment.
Speaker 3: No, I think that this was a pretty good I mean,
Speaker 3: we had to kind of get through it pretty quickly,
Speaker 3: but I think this is a great like introduction for
Speaker 3: you know, all this. I asked quite a few questions
Speaker 3: that I felt like people would ask too.
Speaker 4: I am interested in getting this book.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie just for the soul's sake of
Speaker 3: having it, to look at it and to see what
Speaker 3: what random crap this dude is saying, because like, realistically,
Speaker 3: when you're reading what he's saying, it's just like he's
Speaker 3: throwing in a whole bunch of words to make himself
Speaker 3: sound better. And it's like, Okay, I'm surprised they haven't
Speaker 3: rewritten it by this point.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he oh they can't. This is this is
Speaker 1: their fucking I'm not gonna say it's their Bible. I
Speaker 1: will say that this has been untouched and unchanged since
Speaker 1: he wrote it. This is the doctrine. This is a
Speaker 1: canon law.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think it's one of those things that like, since
Speaker 3: it's not like we're talking about like thousands and thousands
Speaker 3: of years old like I rewrite it, you know, make
Speaker 3: like a King James two edition, you know, make it,
Speaker 3: make a more updated one to where people, you know,
Speaker 3: may will want to actually read it and join again.
Speaker 3: But it does sound like it originated with good intentions
Speaker 3: and then got taken over by people of ill intention
Speaker 3: and it turned into this other thing. And I didn't
Speaker 3: really understand how the Illuminati got absorbed into the Masons,
Speaker 3: because I know that they're parallel, and there's lots of
Speaker 3: conversations of the two of them, and I can see
Speaker 3: how they join up, I mean, especially when they're dwindling
Speaker 3: and all this other stuff that's going on with them,
Speaker 3: And then that.
Speaker 4: Draws a lot of questions for a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Is that, you know, since there's even still a million people,
Speaker 3: do they participate or feel inclined to participate in the
Speaker 3: Illuminati doctrine of wanting the one world order?
Speaker 4: Do they feel like this is that what this is about?
Speaker 3: I mean, because there's a lot of people that really
Speaker 3: down here or like about the Masons. But all I've
Speaker 3: ever heard my entire life is how evil and corrupt
Speaker 3: they are, and how like it is like the most
Speaker 3: satanic of satanic things, and like when I was a kid,
Speaker 3: Like that's what I was hearing about. And I'm surprised
Speaker 3: that there's still like there is. It doesn't seem like
Speaker 3: they're uh. The people that are at the low levels,
Speaker 3: they don't.
Speaker 4: I've met a bunch.
Speaker 3: I mean, they just seem like they want to be
Speaker 3: a part of something, and like you know, the you know,
Speaker 3: the Scouts of America. You want to just be a
Speaker 3: part of something, right, and you want to help people,
Speaker 3: and like this kind of seems like that long standing
Speaker 3: tradition of helping people.
Speaker 4: But clearly good old.
Speaker 3: Pikey Poo was the kiss of death for this being
Speaker 3: like a positive thing and it turned into quite a
Speaker 3: negative thing that got taken over probably in somewhere in
Speaker 3: the more satanic and now you know what it is
Speaker 3: is we all understand it in the conspiracy realm is
Speaker 3: not being very great when you get into the higher levels.
Speaker 1: Well, with that in mind, some speculate that that, like
Speaker 1: I said, the White Side Freemasonry, if you will, Some
Speaker 1: speculate that is the Illuminati, and that's why it's not
Speaker 1: talked about and why it's not over at least it
Speaker 1: probably is, I mean, why not.
Speaker 3: Right, It probably honestly is it's probably the Illuminati chap it.
Speaker 4: I mean, they probably band together.
Speaker 1: Remember how it just said the Illuminati specifically spits in
Speaker 1: the face of religion, like out, that's what they're about.
Speaker 1: Cut two, you go to the thirty third level of
Speaker 1: free masonry, Blue Side, and you already know that you're
Speaker 1: worshiping Lucifer at this point, what difference does it make.
Speaker 1: You're already in for a penny, in for a pound,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You might as well go
Speaker 1: as far as this road will take you, and then
Speaker 1: you get introduced to the other you know, up to
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty degrees of this new type of
Speaker 1: masonry if they deem you worthy to go that route.
Speaker 1: Some speculate that that is what the Illuminati became.
Speaker 3: I could see it. I mean I could see the preservation.
Speaker 3: I mean, they want to keep it around. And this
Speaker 3: group obviously is still keeping it going and feeding bodies
Speaker 3: to the machine of finding people that they want to
Speaker 3: bring up into this. And so I mean, especially with
Speaker 3: the way that they do some of their rituals and
Speaker 3: stuff like, even if they're not intending to sign their
Speaker 3: self away to you know, if you believe that they're
Speaker 3: setting they're sould away to this. Then, I mean they're
Speaker 3: still performing ritualistic practices, which obviously all religions have, I
Speaker 3: mean Christians, Jews, everybody, everybody has them, right, But.
Speaker 4: I think that I think, honestly, you might be onto something.
Speaker 3: I think that the Illuminati definitely could be hiding in
Speaker 3: the shadows of the Masons, and that they're quietly operating
Speaker 3: in the backgrounds of all this, and they're using them
Speaker 3: to feed their propaganda and everything else, which plays into
Speaker 3: how much is it are they actually involved in our
Speaker 3: current government? And you know how many people are a
Speaker 3: part of this and they're just not talking about it.
Speaker 1: So and also it can't go without we can't just
Speaker 1: leave without saying that Albert Pike, also because he was
Speaker 1: somebody who could read Latin and Greek and Hebrew and Sanskrit,
Speaker 1: he is the reason why the Eastern philosophy has made
Speaker 1: their way into this organization. He is the reason why
Speaker 1: the Kabbalah is into Freemasonry. Also, in this book Morals
Speaker 1: and Dogmen, he says without the kabbala what is freemasonry?
Speaker 2: His words, not mine.
Speaker 1: So let's mix in the fact that the same guy
Speaker 1: is saying that the kabbala is masonry, they are worshiping
Speaker 1: and seeking the illumination from Lucifer, and that he did
Speaker 1: what he could to transcribe all these old alchemical texts
Speaker 1: into English that he and his boys could enact them.
Speaker 1: He quotes Gnostic scriptures clearly, clearly your boy wasn't about how.
Speaker 3: Was he getting a hold of all this? So like
Speaker 3: you have to think during that time, like, it's not
Speaker 3: like he was traveling. Not one time do we read
Speaker 3: that's true.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 3: He had a lot of money and influence, so he
Speaker 3: probably could have been getting this stuff from overseas and
Speaker 3: having it sent to him.
Speaker 1: So mm hmm.
Speaker 3: But I mean he was anti Catholic, and the Catholics
Speaker 3: held so much knowledge, so it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yes, But and that's another thing.
Speaker 2: The Catholics didn't hold all the knowledge.
Speaker 3: I know, they didn't hold all of it. They held
Speaker 3: they held a good amount of it. I would say
Speaker 3: that they didn't hold all of it. But he would
Speaker 3: still have to tread carefully, even with a lot, like
Speaker 3: to talk to people in you know, Rome, in different
Speaker 3: places like that to be able to gather some of
Speaker 3: this information.
Speaker 1: Paris, everything goes through Paris. That's the thing. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have to go through the Catholic Church. He has Masonic
Speaker 1: brothers in France, He's got Masonic brothers in England who
Speaker 1: are closer to these places. He could get original books
Speaker 1: and it's like, yes, the Catholic Church did all lot
Speaker 1: to repress information for the Middle Ages. Once the once
Speaker 1: the Renaissance started, the Catholic Church drastically started losing its
Speaker 1: grip on what literature was and was not available. Then
Speaker 1: when Gutenberg came out the printing press, everything was fucked.
Speaker 3: They could not Yeah, I mean you're talking about the
Speaker 3: fourteenth centuries when the Renaissance started. Yeah, so by the
Speaker 3: seventeenth century, I mean you're you're talking like the information
Speaker 3: is spreading across the world. So, I mean, it's just
Speaker 3: it's interesting that he involved all of this stuff. And
Speaker 3: that's kind of honestly why I want to look at
Speaker 3: the book itself as I want to see how like
Speaker 3: crazy this kind of gets with information and why they
Speaker 3: would take this and develop this into like this is
Speaker 3: the word and not one person has questioned this at all,
Speaker 3: maybe thought hmm, maybe we should change this a little bit,
Speaker 3: Maybe this doesn't sound right.
Speaker 4: No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: They still abide, mind, that's the thing.
Speaker 4: And most these weird ass secret group ord not even secret,
Speaker 4: it's not secret at all, but these weird ass groups.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And again, most Masons haven't read the book cover to cover.
Speaker 1: That's like five hundred and seventy five pages of very rambling,
Speaker 1: poetic ramblings that you have to be well versed in
Speaker 1: history to even understand half of what he's fucking talking about.
Speaker 2: Like, you have to be super well versed in history.
Speaker 1: Whenever he brings up a random philosopher from Greek antiquity
Speaker 1: that most humans have never heard of, let alone know
Speaker 1: what his rhetoric was. You have to do research to
Speaker 1: be able to understand the sentence that you just read
Speaker 1: at this level. And it's a whole thing. It's a study,
Speaker 1: and that was the point. So anyway, anyway, we covered
Speaker 1: a lot. We covered a lot in this episode, and
Speaker 1: I'm hoping for any of the newer cult members that
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Speaker 1: literally we could talk forever about freemasonry and their connections
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Speaker 1: Royalty was a part of the Freemasons in the Illuminati,
Speaker 1: and this also was done as a way to protest
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