WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:01.000 All right, what's good? 2 00:00:01.120 --> 00:00:05.400 Drives Tuesday afternoon, sixteen minutes past the hour of two o'clock. 3 00:00:05.480 --> 00:00:08.400 A cold front as hits a lake. I don't know 4 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:09.000 if you notice. 5 00:00:09.119 --> 00:00:11.599 Past three or four days it has been frigid and 6 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:13.359 it is today as well. 7 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:15.119 Happy Tuesday to you. 8 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:17.000 Got a lot to do on the program, and as 9 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:20.440 it is every single day, it's going to have you along. 10 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:20.920 For the ride. 11 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:23.480 My name is Spence Check. It's I host this radio show. 12 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:25.839 That young man is Porter Larceny produces it. We are 13 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:30.280 back in studio on a Tuesday afternoon after really fun 14 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:33.039 remote yesterday. Shout out to my guy Vidal and the 15 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:36.000 warehouse saving people a grip of money while getting you 16 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:41.759 brand new mattresses, sofas, vetting faces and the like. Hopefully 17 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:43.359 we'll be back out there soon, but good to be 18 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:46.119 back in studio with a lot to do on the 19 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:50.240 program today. Ohio State is your college football national champ. 20 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:54.600 We have the final AP and the final CIP polls 21 00:00:54.679 --> 00:01:00.439 BYU represented Utah Sadley was not now surprise, there some 22 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.600 big twelve teams in the final AP in the final 23 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:06.840 CFP poll, and then we'll do a little look at 24 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:09.280 with the way too early top twenty five polls that 25 00:01:09.319 --> 00:01:13.200 are out, it's probably hard to expect Utah being ranked. 26 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:15.799 I don't think that's breaking news BYU will probably be 27 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:19.879 a top twenty team somewhere, maybe fifteen through twenty. They 28 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:25.480 came in at number thirteen in the AP, number seventeen 29 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:28.200 in the CFP poll. So do some college football on 30 00:01:28.239 --> 00:01:31.840 the show today, you know, yesterday, talking about the game 31 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:34.159 last night, I wondered loud if Notre Dame could make 32 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:36.280 it a fair fight, and I'm not, honestly, I'm not 33 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:39.680 sure that they did. They punched back there at the end, 34 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:42.760 they were nearly able to cover the spread, and there 35 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:46.359 were a couple of, as they say in soccer, hearts 36 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:48.799 and mouths moments if you were an Ohio State fan. 37 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:51.120 But ultimately it didn't feel like Ohio State was ever 38 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:55.079 really in danger after they countered that first big Notre 39 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:58.000 Dame drive with just boom, boom, boom, three straight drives 40 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:00.879 with touchdowns. So we'll do some college football program today. 41 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:07.319 The Utah Jazz took a historic l last night against 42 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:09.919 the New Orleans Pelicans. It was the biggest comeback in 43 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:13.439 Pelicans history. And it's just great news, such great news. 44 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:15.000 So we'll do some NBA. Able to do some jazz 45 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:19.080 on the program today, mainly college football, little NFL as well. 46 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:22.919 Ben Johnson to Chicago, What's next in New York. AFC 47 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:28.680 NFC championship games coming up during conference championship weekend on 48 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:30.879 Sunday of this week, and we'll have the games on 49 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:34.240 this radio station. By U basketball kind of a sneaky 50 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:37.599 Big one tonight at Colorado. Colorado has not won a 51 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.199 Big twelve game and BYU. I'll say this is kind 52 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:45.360 of a must win ultimately for BYU because they have 53 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:46.520 not won a road game. 54 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:48.120 They're two and four in Big twelve play. 55 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:50.879 In case you missed it, the Utah men's basketball game 56 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:54.120 was moved to tomorrow at four o'clock. So we have 57 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:57.759 a very short show here in the afternoon tomorrow to 58 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:00.879 make way for some Utah bas on the program. 59 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:02.240 So a lot to do on the show. 60 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:05.159 Good guest list, get you guys through this chili Chili 61 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:09.280 Tuesday afternoon here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. We'll 62 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:13.039 start things off today with Roxy Bernstein. Now, Roxy one 63 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:15.000 of our favorites from the Pac twelve network. He has 64 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:18.280 a beef with Courtney Cox it's a real thing. It's 65 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:21.439 a bit I can't let go. We'll do some college 66 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:23.719 football with Roxy. But he was in town on Saturday 67 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:26.680 to call the Utah BYU basketball game, and I saw 68 00:03:26.719 --> 00:03:28.719 him from a distance, couldn't make it down to say hello, 69 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:30.960 and so when I saw that he was doing the game, 70 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:32.759 reached out to porter and get him on and so 71 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:35.199 we were able to do that today. Matt Brown, our 72 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:37.520 buddy from Extra Points, who was on the grounds in 73 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:41.319 Atlanta for the CFP Final, So we'll see how that 74 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:43.599 was for him and his thoughts on the current state 75 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.719 of college football, and we'll go from there as far 76 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:49.560 as Matt coming on on the three o'clock hour. Jim 77 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:52.639 Jeffries stand up comic. If you're a fan of this show, 78 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:54.240 first of all, thank you. Second of all, you know 79 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:58.120 that our buddy Keith Stubbs and Wise Guys Comedy, we 80 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:00.599 always reach out to them to say if anybody's rolling through, 81 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:01.120 we'd love. 82 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:02.000 To get to know them. 83 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:05.360 We've had a bunch of big time stand up comics 84 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:09.360 on the program, Michael Rappaport and Studio. We keep going 85 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:11.680 down the list. Obviously, Jaoe Covan has become a friend 86 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:14.800 of the show. I'm a big Jim Jefferies fan. His 87 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:19.480 stand up comedy is not necessarily sports talk radio friendly, 88 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:21.199 so we'll see if we can get weird with Jim 89 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:24.000 but not lose the show. Coming up to four o'clock, 90 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:27.600 then Mike Sanford junior, former college football player and coach 91 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:29.480 will stop by to do a little more college football, 92 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:33.079 mostly college football on the show today with Scotia of 93 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:36.959 College Hoops and NBA Utah Hockey Club as well. So 94 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:38.959 we'll get to as much as we as we possibly 95 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:42.800 can on the program today with Roxy Bernstein with Matt Brown, 96 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:46.319 with Jim Jefferies, with Mike Stanford Junior, me Spence checkets 97 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.199 all of you the great listeners on a Tuesday, and 98 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:50.920 that guy por Larson produces the show. 99 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:54.079 All right, did notre Dame make that a fair fight? 100 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:59.120 I mean not really, not really a fair fight. They 101 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:01.759 as you said, they a few punches and that came 102 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:04.639 in the form of literally a punch out late in 103 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:07.319 the game that gave them the ball and you know, 104 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:11.240 an eight point deficit. They they had a one possession 105 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:15.680 game late in that in that matchup, right, so you 106 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:19.319 have to give them credit for making a game of it, 107 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:23.319 making it, you know, not a blowout, but early on 108 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:24.959 it did look like it was going to be that way. 109 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:29.319 Spence and I don't know that I ever really felt 110 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:32.680 like the result was in doubt once Ohio. 111 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:33.680 State really really got going. 112 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:35.759 And you know, credit to them, man, they they played 113 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:39.879 really really well on a college football championship month. 114 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:41.720 No doubt about that, no doubt about that. 115 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:44.199 So let's get two eights. Our first guest will be 116 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:47.959 Roxy Bernstein. But before Roxy rolls, by courtesy of our 117 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.600 good friends, you're good friends too at Standard Restaurant Supply. 118 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:53.040 You want to stop shop for all of your tailgate needs, 119 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:56.720 either online or their convenient location here in downtown Salt 120 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:58.000 Lake City, Utah. 121 00:05:58.160 --> 00:05:59.759 It is time now for your opening tip. 122 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:03.000 Welcome to the Drive with Spence Check it's on Utah's 123 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:06.680 number one sports talk. Now into the studio of ESPN 124 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:08.959 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. 125 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:10.480 The opening tip of. 126 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.040 The Drive is brought to you by Standard Restaurant Supply, 127 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:16.319 your one stop shop to build the best tailgate in town. 128 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:20.759 Standard Restaurant Supply thirty five hundred Southwest Temple. 129 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:26.920 So the first twelve team expanded CFP Playoff format culminated 130 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:29.720 last night in Atlanta at the Mercedes Benz Dome. It's 131 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.879 a Ohio State take care of Notre Dame. Thirty four 132 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:36.879 to twenty three. Really wasn't that close. Ohio State responded 133 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:39.439 to that great initial drive from Notre Dame. Notre Dame 134 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:42.360 came out of the gates and did exactly what most. 135 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:43.240 People thought they had to do. 136 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.439 Start quickly, but control the clock and keep Ohio State 137 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:50.199 off the field. And it was like a super super 138 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:52.399 long drive to start out the game that ended up 139 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:55.240 in a touchdown and kind of looking around going okay, well, 140 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:57.279 maybe Marcus Freeman and the fiighty and Iers can make 141 00:06:57.279 --> 00:06:58.120 this thing interesting. 142 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:01.399 The Ohio State response was just perfect. Boom boom boom. 143 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:04.680 Three possessions, all touchdowns, and they were not big hits. 144 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:08.319 They were simply long, sustained drives that allowed the Buckeys, 145 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:11.120 in my opinion, to basically put this thing away at halftime. 146 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:13.879 As we talked about yesterday, Notre Dame is not built 147 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:16.120 to come back once they go down by a couple 148 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:16.720 of scores. 149 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:19.000 It's just tough to picture them coming back. They're just 150 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.399 not a high powered offensive team. 151 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:23.959 Although Riley Leonard I thought last night showed some things 152 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:26.759 potentially that not a lot of people had seen this 153 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:30.920 year because they are a classic Notre Dame, great defensive front, 154 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:33.839 you know, slow down the game and run the football 155 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:36.680 with their quarterback mostly. And last night we didn't see 156 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:39.399 any of Jeremiah Love, surprising a lot of people. It 157 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:42.120 was really Riley Leonard and that's about it. Notre Dame 158 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:45.240 did throw some punches late to make it somewhat interesting. 159 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:48.000 It was an eleven point win for Ohio State. The 160 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:50.560 spread ended up being eight point five, so Ohio State 161 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:54.040 won and they covered. And you know, the ride of 162 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:57.560 Ryan Day certainly is something that has to be talked about. 163 00:07:57.600 --> 00:07:59.199 This was a guy who has. 164 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:02.879 As you know, little As like three weeks ago, there 165 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:05.480 seemed to be a lot of conversation about whether or 166 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:07.720 not he was going to keep that job, which is 167 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:11.000 wild to me when you think about where he is 168 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:14.000 at now on the pantheon of college football coaches, one 169 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:17.439 of three current coaches to win a national championship, a 170 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:20.360 better win percentage than Jim Tressel, the Sweater vest bro, 171 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:23.160 and a better S and P index than Urban Meyer. 172 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:26.000 I mean, he he's the fifth Ohio State coach and 173 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.560 win a national championship, and he's one of the top 174 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:32.080 three all time in win percentage period in college football. 175 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:35.200 It is the power of not being able to beat 176 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.279 your rival, and I talked about this with Sean Like 177 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.360 coach Wit spanked Bronco more often than not, like Bronco, 178 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:41.720 ment a. 179 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:42.919 Lo had a tough time beating Utah. 180 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:45.399 It's not like he never did it, but because Bronco, 181 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:48.720 you know, ten win seasons bringing BYU football back to 182 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:52.360 respectability after Gary Crowton left behind what was a clean 183 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:55.440 up job after led Zeppelin Party. I didn't think Bronco 184 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:58.039 was ever in danger of losing that job. He ended 185 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:00.440 up leaving on his own accord and I get losing 186 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:04.799 to Michigan four straight times, but ultimately Ohio State, in 187 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:08.519 my opinion, showed people that when they were playing top 188 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:10.519 shelf they were the best team in college football. Yes, 189 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:14.799 apparently a twenty five million dollar or so payroll can help, 190 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:19.120 but this run through the CFP, they had a tough, 191 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:22.440 tough route and they ended up essentially in my opinion, 192 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:27.360 not really being challenged. Smoked Tennessee, smoked Oregon the team 193 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:29.840 that stayed clean during the regular season. They had a 194 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:32.360 couple of self inflicted wounds that allowed that Texas game 195 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:34.080 to be closer than I thought it should have been. 196 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:36.080 And like I said, I felt like that game last 197 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:39.559 night was basically over at halftime. So congratulations of Ohio 198 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:43.000 State and some interesting things about the way that they 199 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:46.679 have built this roster. I mean, you know, the attention 200 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:50.000 is on that twenty to twenty five million dollar price 201 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.159 tag for this group, but ultimately the majority of that 202 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:57.440 money went to the players that they had on the 203 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:01.200 roster already for the most part, not everybody. 204 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:01.720 Obviously. 205 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:04.879 They brought in a couple of very talented safety that a 206 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.080 safety that they brought in via the transfer portal, that 207 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:10.759 unbelievable freshman wide receiver, they bring in a quarterback via 208 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:13.879 the transfer portal, But essentially in the trenches on defense, 209 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:16.440 these are players that have played in Ohio State for 210 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:19.000 a long long time, recruited out of high school and 211 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:21.120 then came through and played. Some of them played more 212 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:24.799 than fifty college football games. And so that's kind of 213 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:26.919 good news when you look at it through the prism 214 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:30.120 of the Utes, who have their entire offensive lineback, a 215 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:32.440 defense that nobody's going to question, even with a couple 216 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:35.159 of really big time players taken off in Kiata, Todda 217 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:37.840 Austin and Camera Calhoun means there's a lot of pressure 218 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:40.480 on Devin Dampier, who Jason Beck essentially said as the 219 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:43.240 starting quarterback on this show a week ago. We'll do 220 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:45.440 some more of this throughout the course of the show, 221 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:47.279 but we'll catch a quick break how. 222 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:48.799 I got Matt Brown on the show today. 223 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:53.600 Stand up comic Jim Jeffries, who will be playing Wise Guys, 224 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:56.039 is going to stop by, and then Mike Samford Junior 225 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.399 will roll by as well to talk some college football. 226 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:01.440 But on this radio show, the rem. 227 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:06.200 Brands are saved for one person, and one person only. 228 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:07.600 Of course, I'll be there for you. 229 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.600 The theme song of the Horrible Horrible television show back 230 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:14.559 in the nineties called Friends, it means it's time for 231 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:17.039 Roxy Burnston. You guys know that by now. Roxy on 232 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:18.200 a Tuesday, sir, how are you? 233 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:21.840 I will be there for you, sence. I can't say 234 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:23.519 that i'd be there for Courtney Cox, but I would 235 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:24.200 be there for you now. 236 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:25.960 We don't need to we don't need to make it 237 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:28.840 weird on a Tuesday. I know when you hear the 238 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:32.320 name Courtney Cox, it just your your ears get red, 239 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:35.639 you start feeling yeah, I know. Well, let's be honest. 240 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:38.320 I mean, enough time has passed. That was a that 241 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:40.440 was a dumb That was a dumb show. It was 242 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:42.600 a bad TV show that co opted the thoughts of 243 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:46.960 people that just are simpletons that didn't like a intellectual 244 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:53.320 television show like Seinfelder for Honestly. 245 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:52.879 The show was pretty good. I could get past the 246 00:11:53.559 --> 00:11:54.480 personal issues. 247 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:57.000 Fine, well, I was trying to have your back. Never mind, 248 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:57.639 awesome show. 249 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:00.679 How you been man, Thank you for the time as good. 250 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:02.600 I'm good. You know. 251 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:05.080 I was in town over the weekend. I had that 252 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:08.960 overtime thriller at the Huntsman Center, and I'm on my 253 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:14.039 Utah week with that game. Saturday. I have BYU Tonight, 254 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:19.279 I'm in Boulder for the game against the Buffaloes. Thursday, 255 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:23.200 i have the Hockey Club for ESPN against Minnesota, and 256 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:27.279 then I'm back in your great state on Saturday. I'm 257 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:29.879 double dipping. I have the Utah Women against BYU women 258 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:33.159 down in Provo, and then the nightcap I'm double dipping 259 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.159 on Saturday with Cincinnati against BYU. 260 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:37.399 Wow. Well, never a dull moment. 261 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:40.639 And Roxy Bernstein, the unofficial voice of Utah Sports. 262 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:41.360 I love it. Well. 263 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:44.559 I was actually I was at the Huntsman Center on 264 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:47.159 Saturday night and I looked down. I looked down. I 265 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:49.120 had some pretty good seats. I was about five rows 266 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:51.200 behind you. But I did not have my credential. And 267 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:52.840 I'm not going to be the dude that says, don't 268 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:54.759 you know who I am? So I could not come 269 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:56.519 down and say hello. But when I saw that you 270 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:58.279 were on the call, say again, sorry. 271 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:02.440 You could have yeah, but I don't I know, yeah, 272 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:03.120 I know him. 273 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.120 Yeah, but Roxy, I'm already unlikable enough on paper. Like 274 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:10.600 you know, I'm well aware of how unlikeable I'm on paper. 275 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:12.080 So I don't want to, you know, I don't want 276 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:15.440 to further the narrative. So I simply texted Porter. I said, 277 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:17.879 let's get our guy. And I wanted to start with 278 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:20.200 Saturday night. And as you know, I was a student 279 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.480 at Utah in the late nineties when their head coach 280 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.159 was named Rick Majaris, and our weeks were playing around 281 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:27.879 Utah basketball. 282 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:28.600 Games when I was a student there. 283 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:33.200 And I'll say, and look, Larry Chriscoviak had a couple 284 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:35.799 of good teams, you know, Jim Boylan had an NCAA team. 285 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:39.720 I'm not saying the building hasn't had one night like 286 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.240 that in twenty seven years or whatever, but it really 287 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:47.039 did feel like an atmosphere that reminded me of when 288 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:49.279 I was watching Andre Miller and Keith van Horn and 289 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:50.919 Mike Thleiak and Britton Johnson. 290 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:53.440 So let's start with the environment. 291 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:56.840 You travel all over the place for a college basketball game. 292 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:58.279 To kind of feel and sound like that at the 293 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:00.639 Huntsman Centers kind of war in my heart. 294 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:02.080 What did you make of that crowd? 295 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:05.679 Well, as you know, over the years, I have done 296 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:09.799 a ton of games at the Huntson Center, and I 297 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:15.279 think I've had a more energetic, boisterous crowd that was 298 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.240 into it from even before the game started like we 299 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:21.399 had Saturday night. That was an electric atmosphere. And I've 300 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:25.039 done BYU Utah games there in Salt Lake City before 301 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:30.639 and that was just a tremendous atmosphere for college basketball 302 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.759 and it was great to see. And the Utah fans 303 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:36.320 got rewarded with that overtime win, a huge w for 304 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:39.320 Craig Smith in his program. But it was great to 305 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:43.480 see that again. I've seen good crowds and full houses 306 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.000 at the Huntsman Center before, but of all the games 307 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:49.320 I've been to, they're up at the Huntson Center. That 308 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:53.600 was probably the best in terms of atmosphere and fan 309 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:56.879 engagement that I've seen, probably in all the years I've 310 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:59.080 been going to games at the University of Utah. 311 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:01.279 I agree a lot of fun and there were a 312 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:03.559 good number of BYU fans, but not as many as 313 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:06.200 I thought, because the rumors prior to the game was, 314 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:09.480 you know, BYU fans, we're gonna grab all the secondary 315 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:12.320 market tickets in the upper Bowl, and because Utah fans 316 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:14.480 at times don't fill that lower Bowl, there was gonna 317 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:16.440 be a lot of blue. There was some, not a ton, 318 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:20.080 But let's get into the game and I'll tell you 319 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:22.360 what roxy you like to start the season. When we're 320 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:25.159 doing kind of a little preseason stuff to preview the 321 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:29.279 Big twelve schedule, I looked at January eighteenth BYU here 322 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:31.080 in Salt Lake and I'm like, well, that's probably going 323 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:33.840 to be an ass kicking. And I don't know if 324 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.000 anybody would argue that Craig has near the talent that 325 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:40.120 Kevin does. I mean, reports are Jegor Demon is a 326 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:44.320 seven figure nil kid and last Jonathan Cavoni, Matt Mack 327 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:46.200 I looked at he was number seven off the board. 328 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:48.399 Canon Catching's is all supposed to supposed to be a 329 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:51.320 first round prospect, although I don't really see it with 330 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:54.519 him just yet. But I don't feel like Craig has 331 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:58.120 near the talent Kevin did. And certainly home court advantage helps. 332 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:00.919 And you know, had a couple of performances from some 333 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:04.799 players that were quite frankly things we hadn't seen before. 334 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:06.600 But what stood out most to you. 335 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:08.799 About the way the game played out that allowed Utah 336 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:10.519 to get that win on overtime. 337 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:13.440 Well, first off, I explained a little bit more for 338 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:18.039 free flowing offense, and it didn't really come to fruition 339 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.679 Saturday night. With the way Utah have been playing this year, 340 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:23.440 second in the country and assists Spence, the ball has 341 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:25.559 been whipping and moving around for the youths this year 342 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:29.240 and it didn't really happen, probably because BYU, I think 343 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:32.240 had it well scouted and they do for things, so 344 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:35.720 I think they took that aspect away and tried to 345 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:41.080 limit the movement and they were with the physical battle 346 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:43.960 between the two, which I did anticipate just because of 347 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:46.879 the rivalry, and that was the one thing I thought 348 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:48.879 we'd get a score in the eighties. We did, it 349 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:52.279 was overtime in the low seventies. But it was a 350 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:55.919 fierce competitive battle from the outset, and I was really 351 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:59.879 impressed with the toughness that really both team showed, and 352 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:02.720 in Utah trying to defend the home floor crowd certainly 353 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:06.599 was into it with Kavakata playing on the other side 354 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:14.400 at starting for Utah, and it was really just an 355 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:17.319 intense game from the outset. That's the one thing that 356 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:20.119 really stood out to me is just how locked in 357 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:24.319 both teams were and how physically intense this game was. 358 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:27.400 I imagine you had a chance to catch up with 359 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:28.440 Craig before the game. 360 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:30.799 Yeah, yes, oh yeah, I saw. 361 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:33.680 I was there shoot around. In fact, I was talking 362 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:35.559 to him for about five minutes about twenty minutes of 363 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:38.119 four tip over the hallway. So yeah, I have had 364 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:40.319 a great relationship with Craig going back to his days 365 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:41.039 in Utah State. 366 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:43.519 So he's like the best dude as you know, and 367 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:47.680 I'm pulling hard for him his son bountiful lum Rock stand. 368 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:50.200 I know you don't have time, but when you have 369 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:52.559 time later you can look up the nineteen ninety seven 370 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:55.599 Bountiful Braize basketball team, the one state. People around here 371 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:58.000 believe it's the best high school team in the history. 372 00:17:58.039 --> 00:18:00.240 I don't say that, even though I mean I may 373 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:01.960 have been on the team, but I don't say that. 374 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:02.480 It's not me. 375 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.839 And so his son played for the same high school 376 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:07.519 coach I did, so I used to run into him 377 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:10.079 at some of those games, and I pull for him, 378 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:14.119 and I felt so happy for him with this win, 379 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:16.119 and he's had good wins in the past out of 380 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:18.799 win over Oregon, and so we're hoping ultimately this is 381 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.319 not only a moment in time, but can you shed 382 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:24.000 a little light on some of the portions of your 383 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:26.680 conversations with him and his thoughts on this group and 384 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:28.400 what they could potentially do this year. 385 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:32.599 First off, as you know when you talk to his fence, 386 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:35.680 he's always upbeat, he's always positive, and the way he 387 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:38.559 looks at things get so much energy and it's infectious, 388 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:43.079 and I think his team feels that every time that 389 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:45.359 they're on the practice floor, they're on this floor for 390 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:47.559 shooter round, get ready for games in locker room, he 391 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:49.279 gets them going and. 392 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:50.119 They feed off it. 393 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:52.160 And you're right they don't. 394 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:55.079 Have the talent at BYU does, but Craig finds a 395 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:57.359 way to get the most out of his talent, utilize 396 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:00.319 the pieces. And the other thing about Craig is he 397 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:03.240 recruits that style that he wants to play with the 398 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:06.359 ball movement. Yes, Gate Madisen is a great shooter from 399 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:07.920 the outside is going through a little bit of a 400 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.240 funk right now, but he's also a willing passer. Last 401 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:14.799 and lovering at center is a center that's averaging two 402 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:17.319 and a half assists a game. It's a style that 403 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:20.680 he recruits to and he wants to play, and to me, 404 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:23.960 it's an aesthetically pleasing style, a putch because of the 405 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:26.000 ball movement and how free flowing they go, and they 406 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:30.839 shoot threes and he's excited. Look, they know this transition 407 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:34.160 is not going to be easy the last ten years. 408 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:36.799 I don't think anybody will give you the argument that 409 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:39.279 the Big twelve has been the best league in the 410 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:40.519 country this year. 411 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:40.839 It's not. 412 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:44.559 The SEC has shown that they are the best basketball 413 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:46.839 league so far here, but I think the Big Twelve 414 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:49.119 is right behind it. To be honest with you, With 415 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:51.799 the way this league is balanced, you look at teams 416 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:56.119 like Iowa State, Kansas, Baylor, after a rough opening to 417 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:59.319 the season, has come on. There's a lot of really 418 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:02.960 good basketball. Arizona's figured things out and it makes it 419 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:05.559 challenging when you're in this league. And Houston's looked to 420 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:10.000 me legitimate Final fourteen and that's now the competition level 421 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:12.119 with Utah needs to embrace and I think they have 422 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:15.319 and they stack up physically when you look at him, 423 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.200 they look the part. And on Saturday night, it was 424 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:21.240 a challenge to go up against BYU. They're on the 425 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:23.960 whole floor and it seemed the emphasis in the second 426 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:27.200 half was be physical, go inside, and that's where they 427 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:31.839 took this game from BYU, with the physicality that Ezrasore 428 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:34.480 played with and lost and lover and the way they 429 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:36.559 were able to attack BYU on the interior. 430 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:41.119 So I saw Craig on the sidelines of the Utah 431 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:43.720 BYU football game and he was there to kind of 432 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:46.079 do the basketball coach thing. It's like, hey, well you're 433 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:48.200 all here, come see us play. And he told me 434 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:51.839 about Ezra at the game and he said, you know, 435 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:56.119 they were really excited about him East Carolina transfer, and he's. 436 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:58.319 Had some personal stuff. Craig alluded to it after the game. 437 00:20:58.359 --> 00:21:01.000 He went home after the death of his grand and 438 00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:03.400 I got to say, Roxy, you're old enough to remember 439 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:05.480 because I made this reference. And I think most young 440 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:07.799 listeners are probably looking at me with eight heads. There's 441 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:10.119 like a little Adrian Danley to this kid's game because 442 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:13.359 he's not six ' eight, Roxy, He's not okay, he's 443 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:14.200 listed at six to eight. 444 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:15.759 He's like six ' five sixty six. 445 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:19.839 But his the myriad of pump fix, the ability to 446 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:22.279 finish with both hands. He's a better athlete than ad 447 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:24.279 was because the knock on your head, but finishes with 448 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:26.759 the right hand, finishes with the left hand. And Kevin 449 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:29.160 threw everybody at him. He threw for foose tray or 450 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:31.400 he at him. He threw ke Bacade at him. And 451 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:34.000 it didn't matter who was guarding Ezra Sar. He just 452 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:36.519 got whatever he wanted. And I didn't know he had 453 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:38.079 that in him. And I know he had a nice 454 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:40.599 game against TCU, but that was next level. What are 455 00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:42.279 your thoughts on what you saw from Ezra? 456 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:45.720 It seemed like he was a different player in the 457 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.640 second half Saturday night, maybe because the emphasis to get 458 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.880 him the basketball, but he was unstoppable. And he went 459 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:55.480 to town. B what you knew what he was going 460 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:58.039 to do, and they couldn't stop him. And every shot 461 00:21:58.079 --> 00:21:59.799 was either right at the rim or within five c 462 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:02.200 And it's not like he yet it on the perimeter 463 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:04.599 and nailing threes or even hitting the mid rage jumper. 464 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:09.920 It was all attack, attack, attack, and he's got that 465 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:13.880 to his game, that toughness, strength and a nice compliment 466 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:16.799 to loss and Lovering who isn't really your low post 467 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:20.079 big man. He's more of a face up and looking 468 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:24.880 to pass and facilitate, where Ezra just completely just game 469 00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:27.400 over in the second half. Two points at halftime was 470 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:30.119 a non factor for the most part in the first half, 471 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:32.720 but certainly in the second half. In in overtime it was 472 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:35.000 a point of emphasis. Then they had to sweat it 473 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:37.000 out with all the free throws they missed down the stretch. 474 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:40.000 And that's one thing that concerns me going forward, Bence, 475 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:43.079 is their struggles at the salal line and guys like 476 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:47.359 Leering Ezra, who have the ball a lot and are attacking, 477 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:49.880 get to the line a lot, but they miss a 478 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:51.839 lot of free throws and it became shaky down the 479 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:53.240 stretch for Utah. 480 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:55.839 So before we get over to BYU, because I do 481 00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:59.400 have some questions about Kevin's team. I was really happy 482 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:02.160 for Hunter Air and who is a BYU transfer? 483 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:02.759 And it's fun. 484 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:05.119 You know you mentioned Gabe and his shooting struggles. I 485 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:07.920 will say this, I thought BYU did a remarkable job 486 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:10.359 on Gabe. You know, they started with Mowatt mag on him. 487 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:13.200 Richie Saunders chased him around for a while, Dawson Baker 488 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:15.559 chased him around for a while, but every single screen 489 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:17.839 he came off of BYU was ready. They blitzed him 490 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:20.079 this and two. So he just didn't have a lot 491 00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:23.519 of space. And he's the type of shooter like Steve Kerr. 492 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:26.039 And I'm before people get crazy, I'm not saying Gabe 493 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:28.559 Matt's and Steph Curry everybody calmed down, But Steve Kerr 494 00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:30.480 always talks about I want Steph to take five or 495 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:33.240 six horrible shots a game because when he gets going, 496 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:36.680 you know, it's unstoppable. And when Gabe gets going, he's 497 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:39.119 one of the elite shooters in this conference. So I'm 498 00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:42.079 fine at times with a fadeaway three to get the feel. 499 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.519 But I thought Gabe was really mature with his ability 500 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:48.119 to handle the space and the gravity effect allowed some 501 00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:51.960 open shots, but nobody could really capitalize until Hunter came 502 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.640 in and knock down a couple of massive threes. He 503 00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:56.839 did airball free throw, but he stepped up and hit 504 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:00.480 three free throws and his nine points during the final 505 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:03.039 portion of the game, both in regulation on and overtime. 506 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:05.680 Utah doesn't win that game without Hunter Rickson, so I 507 00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:06.880 was really happy for him. 508 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:10.440 Yeah, no question, and the clutch plays you alluded to, 509 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:14.279 and with Mattson, he needs to be a volume shooter 510 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:17.559 on this team, and he is their best shooter. Okay, 511 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:22.319 maybe not percentage wise, but he's got to be the 512 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:25.279 guy that they look to to take the big shot. 513 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:28.039 And that's what Craig's getting at with him being a 514 00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:32.200 volume shooter and those tough, challenging shots, those fadeaway threes 515 00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:34.640 end of a shot clock, when he's got a fire 516 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:37.400 and he's off balance and falling out of bounce. Those 517 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:39.160 are the type of things that Gabe needs to do 518 00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:41.839 for that team. And when you look around this group, 519 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:45.039 he's the one that's capable of doing that. Shark Jompson 520 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:48.839 is more of a creator. He can score. You know, 521 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:51.400 other guys on this team there's things they can do, 522 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:53.519 but at the end of the day, Gabe has looked 523 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:56.400 to as that guy who needs to be the volume shooter. 524 00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:59.839 And look, he's second in Utah history and three winners 525 00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:03.160 may and that's why they're going to keep going to 526 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:05.400 him because he's not afraid of the big moment either. 527 00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:09.599 Indeed, indeed, before I get to bring him young, What 528 00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:13.559 are you willing to say about Utah's Big Twelve chances 529 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:15.759 this year? They're not winning the conference, but they've won 530 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.720 three straight games. Could Craig somehow, some way get this 531 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:20.119 team in the NCAA Tournament. 532 00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:24.640 I wouldn't rule it out because of what you alluded to. 533 00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:27.720 They've won three straight games and if you can come 534 00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:30.079 up with some clutch wins along the way, they're eleven 535 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:34.039 and six overall to five hundred league. They got a 536 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:38.079 tough game with Houston coming up, which on the road, 537 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.240 and I think I think Houston's really good Spence. I 538 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:44.200 had them early, and I'm so impressed with the way 539 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:47.599 that they play. They're so tough mentally and physically. They 540 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:50.880 just pound you and they beat you up, and to me, 541 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:52.799 they're the team to beat in the Big Twelve. I 542 00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:56.319 think as good as Iowa State is and Kansas certainly 543 00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:58.319 over the years. I don't think this is a great 544 00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:01.079 Kansas team. For Bill Selp, I think they're really good. 545 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:03.519 But to me, I think Houston is the best team 546 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:04.119 in his league. 547 00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:08.359 I agree with that, And you know, we'll see how 548 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:10.279 Utah stacks up. But I'm not going to take a 549 00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:12.359 ton away from that game because Houston might win by 550 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:14.720 thirty and you know, ultimately, I don't think it would 551 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:16.759 change a whole lot because there's a gap between those 552 00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:18.359 two teams all right. 553 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:19.039 Over to BYU. 554 00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:21.920 And here's the thing, Like, you know, Kevin Young gets 555 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:24.920 that job to a lot of celebration, a lot of 556 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:28.880 a lot of BYU fans, you know, really really excited 557 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:29.799 about the potential. 558 00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:31.480 And Kevin comes from the NBA. 559 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:35.920 His bench is littered with assistant coaches that have NBA experience. 560 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.720 They bring in an NBA strength and conditioning staff and 561 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:42.319 nutritionness from the Phoenix Suns, and suddenly the collective starts 562 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:44.359 paying a lot of money to get talent. I reference 563 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:47.759 Diego Demon, who reportedly is a seven figure kid ken 564 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:49.200 and catching is a lot of people think he's a 565 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:52.200 first round prospect. Is making good money aged the bands, 566 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:54.359 is on his way to play for Kevin next year. 567 00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:57.119 But you know the deal, Roxy, when you clearly have 568 00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.319 the talent on paper, you got to show you can coach. 569 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:00.880 And he hasn't this before. 570 00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:04.160 This is his first go round and they're obviously close, 571 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:06.160 but the fact of the matter is they're own to 572 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:09.480 five and quad one opportunities, they're own four in games 573 00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:11.400 decided by five points or less, and they have not 574 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:15.279 won a road game. They have to win tonight. What 575 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.319 stands out most to you is you watch this early 576 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.519 project that Kevin is tasked with leading. 577 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:23.839 Well, it is a work in progress and it's different 578 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:27.039 the way Mark Pope went about it. And certainly that 579 00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:29.400 offense was fun to watch as all the threes they 580 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:32.160 shot last year. This is the team of still making threes, 581 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:36.759 but they go about it a different way. And you know, Demon, 582 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:39.039 he hasn't been the same since he hurt his knee 583 00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:43.519 in early December and that game against Providence, and I 584 00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:46.200 think they're hoping at some point it clicks back in 585 00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:48.839 for him. But you could see the talent in terms 586 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:50.920 of his ability to create for others. He is not 587 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:54.200 a scorer as of yet. He clearly needs to get stronger. 588 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:58.400 But it's a talented team and right now, Catchings, for example, 589 00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:01.480 I think is going through a confidence is and that's 590 00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:03.720 a problem for them. He was really well early, but 591 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.599 the last five games he has really struggled and trying 592 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:09.559 to find his way again. And I think it's more 593 00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.200 mental than it is physical right now for him, Spence, 594 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:16.000 and the talent's there, we see it, but he's got 595 00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:18.480 to get back on track and it's supportant for BYU 596 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:21.279 that he does. And the interesting thing about them, Spence 597 00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:23.960 is I've talked to a few coaches and some NBA people. 598 00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:25.279 They think Richie. 599 00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:28.240 Saunders might be an NBA player. That the things that 600 00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:31.400 he does, how quickly he gets his shot off, the 601 00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:34.920 toughness that he plays with, that the energy he provides. Look, 602 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.480 I'm not saying he's going to be maybe a regular 603 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:42.119 rotation top guy in the NBA, but there is a 604 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:45.160 lot of people that feel, including some coaches around the 605 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.519 Big twelve, that Richie Saunders is an empty player. 606 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.000 Well Mark badly wanted him at Kentucky. 607 00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:52.000 You know, he had a good offer to take off 608 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:53.359 to play for his former head coach. 609 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:54.240 And he's a good player. 610 00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:55.920 I mean, he means a lot to them, and I 611 00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:58.640 think they'll figure it out because that talent is undeniable 612 00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:00.799 and I just don't know if I can coach. I'm 613 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:02.599 not trying to be critical here, but this is his 614 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:04.680 first time. When you have the talent, we're going to 615 00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.640 talk about the coaching. Let's take advantage of the final 616 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.240 few minutes to get a little hockey in roxy as. 617 00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:10.680 We are now. 618 00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:14.119 We are now hockey Town, USA. Of course, with the 619 00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:18.160 Utah Hockey Club here and then to Detroit. Well they 620 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.440 might have a claim to it. We don't because we're 621 00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:23.319 still very early in our experiences. But you know, I've 622 00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:25.759 been to four or five games. It's so fun. I 623 00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.920 love watching that sport live and the NHL Live is 624 00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:31.279 something else to watch. These guys do what they do 625 00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:33.880 on skates forwards and backwards, like go out and try 626 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:34.839 and skate in the straight line. 627 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:35.799 See how that goes for you. 628 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.279 But they've been up, they have been down, they have 629 00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:40.160 been up, they have been down. They've won a couple 630 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:42.200 of straight games. And you're gonna call a game of 631 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.000 theirs this week. What stands out as you do your prep, 632 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.200 as you learn about the Utah Hockey Club, what stands 633 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:47.839 out most of you. 634 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:50.920 Well, right now, it's the play of the top line 635 00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.279 and basically the connection that Cooley Keller have. Keller last 636 00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:56.960 night coming back after getting popped in the eye and 637 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:00.279 eat it. Stitches had the big game, and well if 638 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.640 Utah's had it home for some reason, they played well 639 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:06.799 on the road. Marino coming back I think is a 640 00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:10.240 boost for them on the back end. They need Surgachev 641 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:14.440 back going again, and Connor Ingram being back certainly helps. 642 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:17.440 But the top line right now, the way that they 643 00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:20.599 are rolling, even with gun Through being out. But the 644 00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:25.680 play of Keller and Cooley right now, it's just fun 645 00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.000 to watch those two. They have a chemistry, a connection 646 00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:30.480 right now that's really fun to see. 647 00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:34.319 Do you think as we sit here today they have 648 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:36.960 fallen a little bit, but there's still somewhat in the 649 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:39.839 mix for the wild card. They've got forty seven points, 650 00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:43.759 Calgary has fifty one, Colorado has fifty seven. They've fallen 651 00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:47.319 behind both Vancouver and Saint Louis. And look, you know, 652 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:49.960 Bill Armstrong, I think I mentioned this to you. It 653 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:51.799 was I got such a kick out of this. The 654 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:55.799 introductory Utah Hockey Club kind of rally press conference included 655 00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.920 mostly players. At the beginning, Spicy Tuna stole the show. 656 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.680 Fans were going crazy. Coach Torney took the mic, fans 657 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:05.839 were going now, and Bill Armstrong took the mike. He's like, hey, 658 00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:10.759 everybody knows we're rebuilding, right. He's like trying to temper expectations. 659 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.599 And so, you know, knowing what they were last year 660 00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:16.759 in Arizona and understanding how young they are, I felt like, 661 00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:18.359 if they could get a wild card, that would be 662 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:19.240 a massive win. 663 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:21.519 Do you think they have that in them this year? 664 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:24.680 I wouldn't rule it out. He's are they gonna They're 665 00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:27.480 gonna happen on some home games because, as you know, 666 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:29.839 it's been tough sledding for them. Well, for whatever reason, 667 00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.680 if Delta center this year, that has to get corrected 668 00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:34.240 if they're going to be a playoff team. But the 669 00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:37.240 interesting thing here down the stretch, and you alluded to 670 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.000 the days in Arizona, is they haven't been through this 671 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.920 as far as down the stretch being in a playoff race. 672 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:47.559 If they are there, how are they going to handle this? 673 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:50.680 And even let's say they don't make it this year, hypothetically, 674 00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.160 the experience of going through this will pay dividends for 675 00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:56.960 them going forward. But you look at the young core 676 00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.839 of this group and it is a talent group that 677 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:02.599 is just going to get better and better. There's a 678 00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:05.279 lot of talent coming, whether it's in the miners right 679 00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.920 now are still playing in juniors, but they have drafted 680 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:13.039 well at least by prospect wise, that the bright future 681 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:15.920 if they happen to not make it this year. But 682 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:19.839 I wouldn't rule it out with considering this group right now. 683 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:21.680 But this is a key stretch for them, and they 684 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.839 have to find bays to win home games. That was 685 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.839 a good win against Saint Louis over the weekend in Winnipeg. 686 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.680 They've got to keep it going and finding ways to 687 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:32.400 win on homelights. 688 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.559 All right, Roxy, before I say you loose, we now 689 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.960 have a college football national champ in is Ohio State, 690 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.559 and we now have the first iteration of the twelve 691 00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:45.240 team expanded CFP behind us, so we can diagnose ultimately 692 00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:48.200 how we digested it and the change is the need 693 00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:50.119 to be made. I just kind of wonder, as a 694 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.200 guy that's covered this thing forever, what do you make 695 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:54.480 of this new college football playoff and how we crown 696 00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:55.279 a national champ. 697 00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:01.559 I like the fact that they value the conference championship. 698 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:03.880 To me, that was important, Spence, that was one of 699 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:07.960 the famous for me that I wanted to see if 700 00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.920 they were going forward with the twelve team playoffs, you 701 00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:14.160 win the Big twelve, you win the ACC in the SEC, 702 00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:17.640 you should be rewarded with a first round by And 703 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:19.720 I also like the fact they rewarded the group of 704 00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:22.200 five with Boise State. Now do I think Boise State 705 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:25.200 was one of the elite teams, know? But I think 706 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.160 they earned it and so you put them, you give 707 00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:31.200 them the buy. But now Ohio State, give them credit. 708 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:33.160 They had to win four games along the way. They 709 00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:35.119 smashed Tennessee, they went to the Rose Bowl and they 710 00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.640 beat Oregon, and they won these last two games until Knights, 711 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:42.960 And give them credit. They earned this national championship and 712 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.480 this is the way we should be doing it, deciding 713 00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:47.160 it on the field. Okay, we had a lot of 714 00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:50.359 blowouts in the opening round, which stinks because we want 715 00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:54.880 competitive football. I do believe that going forward will get 716 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:58.880 better opening round games. I do see the format expanding 717 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.720 again at some point, just Spences, we know there's way 718 00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.480 too much money in television and putting these games on, 719 00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:08.079 So I do since we'll get an expansion. I don't 720 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:09.800 know if it'll go to sixteen or what the next 721 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:14.039 step will be. But this isn't going backward. You don't 722 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:18.320 see playoff fomats move backward. At twelve is too many. 723 00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.559 We're to go down to eight, that's not going to happen, 724 00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:23.159 and so I'm just anxious to see what the next 725 00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:26.159 step is. But I do like that we got home games. 726 00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:29.840 Maybe you make the quarterfinal round home games well, rewarding 727 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:33.039 those top four seeds. But I think it's great for 728 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.159 college football when you get these type of matchups. I 729 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.360 just wish we had more competitive games, to be honest, 730 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:40.639 we only had a handful of them in the playoffs. 731 00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:43.000 Yeah, I'm with you there, all right, My friend, always 732 00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:43.880 appreciate the time. 733 00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.440 Great to catch up, save travels as you are now 734 00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:48.360 the voice of Utah Sports, and we'll get. 735 00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:52.599 You on soon, okay, anytime. Man, the great. 736 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.519 Roxy Bernstein, our old buddy from the PAC twelve network. 737 00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:58.199 It's funny how many of these broadcasters we met as 738 00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:01.320 a PAC twelve institution here at vers of Utah. But 739 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:04.440 he now does a grip of stuff for ESPN ESPN Radio. 740 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:06.679 He is a Heisman voter and one of my favorite 741 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.719 people that I've met in this business. He is on 742 00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:13.280 social media at roxy Bernstein is where you find him 743 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:17.159 doing some EYU basketball tonight against Colorado, doing some Utah 744 00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:19.199 Hockey club against the Wild and on Saturday as the 745 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:23.199 Utah Women and the BYU Men. So a lot of 746 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:26.679 Utah content for a guy Roxy Bernstein. Coming up, I 747 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:29.199 will catch break. One hour down, three hours to go. 748 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:34.159 Matt Brown college football, college football media member writes a 749 00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:38.199 great newsletter. He was on the ground in Atlanta, So 750 00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:39.760 we'll get Tim coming up on the other side. But 751 00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:41.280 before we catch a break, it's time now for a 752 00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:58.320 little bit of breaking news. Do we have the worst 753 00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:00.599 breaking news center in media? I hope so we might. 754 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:04.480 It's very newsroom. Aaron Sorkin ish, there's nobody. Usually breaking 755 00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:07.519 sounders include a vo of a guy being like. 756 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.519 This is breaking news. Do you want me to do that? Yeah, 757 00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:12.519 go ahead. You can't put me on the spot. Now 758 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:14.199 it's live radio. 759 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:16.400 We're on the spot for four hours, so let's fire 760 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:24.840 that up and let's do a little Okay, go ahead. 761 00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:32.559 And now breaking beaves. That really made a big difference. Thanks. 762 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:34.599 Real salt Lake has added. 763 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:40.440 Brazil Brazilian goalkeeper Raphael Cabral. So that rumor was floated 764 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:45.000 out by our guy Tom Bogert. Raphael Cabral Porter, you 765 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:46.760 should know that he's really good with the ball at 766 00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:47.400 his feet. 767 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:50.280 Ah yep as a goalkeep yep. 768 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.639 Thirty four year old Brazilian keeper so Zach McMath is 769 00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.639 having surgery. Gavin Beaver's has been loaned to a Danish 770 00:36:57.639 --> 00:36:58.920 club RSL. 771 00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:01.199 Looks like that they're starting keeper Rafael Cabral. 772 00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:05.400 College football season came into to an end last night 773 00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:09.440 in Atlanta, Ohio State is your national champ Our next 774 00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.440 guest was on the ground. I believe I saw him 775 00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.280 send out a picture on social media. He's been one 776 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.239 of our favorites to college football all year long. The 777 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.639 writer and creator of one of my favorite college football 778 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:23.000 newsletters called Extra Points. 779 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:25.639 My buddy Matt Brown on a Tuesday. Matt, Happy Tuesday. 780 00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:25.760 Man. 781 00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.599 You were on the ground in Atlanta last time? Yeah, 782 00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:29.039 I was. 783 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.239 I just got back to Chicago about twenty minutes ago. 784 00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:34.000 It was a little bit of a zoo. 785 00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:34.800 Getting out of town, but. 786 00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:40.559 I was there and it was a truly excellent experience. 787 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:40.920 I think. 788 00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:44.519 Tell me about that environment, what was the percentage of 789 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:48.400 Ohio State fans versus Notred Notre Dame fans And what 790 00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:49.960 was it like to kind of be on the ground there. 791 00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:53.480 Yeah, I think it was probably her around sixty percent 792 00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:58.000 Ohio State, maybe fifty five percent Ohio State. Normally, I 793 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:01.320 think in these kind of circumstances, the Ohio State fans 794 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:04.079 will generally take over a building, but Notre Dame is 795 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.159 probably right up there in terms of as large and 796 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.960 as national of a fan base and one that can 797 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.199 afford to show the ridiculous amount of money for a ticket. 798 00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:17.159 I mean to get in the building leading up to 799 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:19.719 the game, the tickets were over three thousand dollars to 800 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:22.920 go just get at the very top row, easily the 801 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:27.440 most expensive championship game ticket in the last last decade 802 00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.360 or so. And when that kind of thing happens, especially 803 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:33.079 when you're playing in a really big NFL stadium where 804 00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:35.079 you have a really high roof and the sound kind 805 00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:37.639 of moves around differently, I think there's there's always a 806 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:40.599 legitimate fear that it becomes more of a sterile, corporate 807 00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:44.079 environment rather than the more passionate, collegiate focused event that. 808 00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:44.760 You would expect. 809 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:47.559 But I really found this to be a pretty high energy, 810 00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:51.280 high energy game, high energy crowd. Things kind of began 811 00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:53.159 to low a little bit in the middle of the 812 00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:55.840 third quarter when it looked like Ohio State had already 813 00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:58.400 won the game, but Notre Dame came back pretty quickly, 814 00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.199 and it was it was loud, it was it was, 815 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:06.840 it was intense, and the level of relief I would 816 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:12.400 say from Ohio State's coaches, their players, their staffers was 817 00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.000 very significant once you get on the ground here, because 818 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:19.199 this is not the typical championship journey. The typical championship 819 00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:20.719 expectations are pressures. 820 00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:23.559 It's a I think it's it's a complicated ending for 821 00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:24.239 this team. 822 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:25.920 And we'll get there in a moment. 823 00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:28.320 I have not seen a final number as far as 824 00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:31.559 the TV ratings go, but as you reference, if it's 825 00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:33.519 three grand just to get in the building, I would 826 00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:37.559 imagine that the powers that be in college football, and 827 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:39.400 I would imagine when we see the number, the powers 828 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:42.360 that be in television are probably going to celebrate this 829 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.000 twelve team format. Right it feels like it's probably checking 830 00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.199 all the boxes for the people that make the decisions 831 00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:47.960 about this stuff. 832 00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:53.119 Oh I think, I think, unquestionably for anybody on the 833 00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:56.639 financial or business side of college athletics or this industry. 834 00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:59.960 The first year of this call team playoffs was a massive, 835 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:01.079 massive success. 836 00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:01.760 UH. 837 00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.039 You were able to prove that you could host a 838 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:08.960 campus site game on short notice and some notoriously difficult 839 00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:13.559 to UH to reach UH and and handle the environments right. Like, 840 00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:15.400 I don't know if any of you guys listening have 841 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.760 ever been to State College Pennsylvania where Penn State is, 842 00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:19.760 but there's basically two hotels that it's in the middle 843 00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.119 of nowhere. It's a giant camping trip. They sent one 844 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.159 hundred thousand people uh on on on the ten days 845 00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:27.000 notice to pulled off a game. There's not a lot 846 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:28.159 of hotels in South. 847 00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.119 Bend, you know, on recruiting visits. 848 00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:32.719 People typically have to stay in Chicago or Michigan. They 849 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:35.480 hosted a playoff game, you had, you had strong attendance, 850 00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:39.840 strong ratings UH and and improved ratings and and buy 851 00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:42.400 into the end of the regular season. So there's certainly 852 00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.159 things I think to be tweaked or improved, and those 853 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.000 are things that the administrators are going to be talking 854 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:50.119 about over the next couple of weeks. But I think 855 00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.639 it would be hard to draw up a better bracket, 856 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:56.519 better result, better better finale for any of the Bean counters. 857 00:40:56.960 --> 00:40:57.960 Don't we had this year? 858 00:40:58.559 --> 00:40:58.840 All right? 859 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.920 Moving over to the wild ride that it's been for 860 00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:05.679 Ryan Day, And look, yeah, you know, I don't know 861 00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.519 that I have an accurate frame of reference for how 862 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:13.639 intensely passionate, maybe at times crazy Ohio State fans are. 863 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.400 And I get losing to Michigan four times in a 864 00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:20.440 row is a really bad look. And I don't know 865 00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.320 how they lost to Michigan this year with how good 866 00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:25.880 they are, how deep, And I get it, I really do. 867 00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:28.639 But Ryan Day is a coach that has a better 868 00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:31.559 winning percentage than Jim Tressel. He has a better SMP 869 00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:34.800 index than Urban Meyer. He's now one of three current 870 00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.840 coaches that have won a national championship. And it feels 871 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.079 like if they moved on from him at the age 872 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:43.000 of forty five, he could pick his next job. How 873 00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.840 real was the heat around him? And what did this 874 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:48.039 run say to people that think he should not be 875 00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:48.760 in charge there? 876 00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:53.159 The heat was meaningful. It was not a situation where 877 00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:55.480 I think he was in danger of Ohio State actively 878 00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:58.320 terminating the contract. And a large part of that is 879 00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:01.400 just because his buyout would be would be absolutely prohibitive. 880 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:04.880 But the stresses on him and his family there were 881 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.800 I saw some reports leaving the game that there was 882 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:11.519 like extra security around his house after the Michigan game. Uh, 883 00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:13.800 he gets to that point when you realize like it's 884 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:16.840 not worth it, especially because Ryan Day spent a lot 885 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:19.679 of time in the NFL and and had interest in 886 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:24.119 the NFL positions have as indicated that they had interest 887 00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:25.880 in him before, and so that the kind of mood 888 00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:28.440 and thought in a lot of the corners of the 889 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:32.119 industry was if Ohio State lost early in this playoff, 890 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.639 after the amount of money that was allocated for this roster, 891 00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.480 how senior laden and experienced this team was, and those 892 00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:42.039 kind of expectations, if it blew up in their face, 893 00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:45.360 then rather for the termination, there would be a kind 894 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:49.039 of you know, mutual amicable parting of ways, and you know, 895 00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:51.159 maybe he goes to make the cult's job or something right, 896 00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:54.920 But that's that that isn't what happened, And it wasn't 897 00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:58.360 just that Ohio State had lost to Michigan four times 898 00:42:58.360 --> 00:42:59.880 in a row, like yeah, I think I think days 899 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:01.639 like seventy to ten. He has one of the highest 900 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:05.800 winning percentages legitimately in like college football history, but it's 901 00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:09.840 like every t all ten of those losses were especially 902 00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:13.599 brutal for Ohio State fans. Right, You lose to Michigan 903 00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:16.119 four times in a row. You lose two games in 904 00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:17.119 a row to Oregon. 905 00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:17.679 You had the. 906 00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:21.400 One versus two matchup earlier in the year in Eugene, 907 00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:23.519 and then you had Oregon the year before as your 908 00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:26.199 premier not out of conference game when they really weren't 909 00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:28.840 that good, and you had C. J. Stroud and you lose. 910 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.280 You had the very winnable playoff game against Georgia when 911 00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.440 they won the national championship by roughly eight hundred points, 912 00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:37.519 and things kind of fell apart in the fourth quarter 913 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:39.039 and you missed the shift the yard field goal, and 914 00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:44.639 that's the end of it. Right, There's something I think 915 00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:48.880 acutely frustrating about being a team that wins almost every 916 00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:53.320 single game, often in a way that fuels psychologically frustrating 917 00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:56.199 to the fan base. And then the last three or 918 00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:59.239 four years they've lost most of their big games unless 919 00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.320 they're playing ten states. Who has the same problem, and 920 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:04.199 I think whose fan base is facing a similar kind 921 00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.320 of neurosis so then to go from all of that 922 00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.519 and all of the negative energy to not just beating 923 00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:15.039 four really good teams in a row, but mostly beating 924 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:17.760 the absolute snot out of them in a way that 925 00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:20.519 they really didn't do it to any competent team during 926 00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:25.079 the regular season changes everything. And if anything, I think 927 00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:27.679 this actually might be an interesting case study for how 928 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.679 you have to handle load management in the twelfth team 929 00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.880 playoff era. You're gonna have to play an NFL schedule 930 00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:35.880 to win a national championship. You're gonna have to play 931 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:40.760 sixteen games. You can't empty the chamber in early October. 932 00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:43.639 And that might mean not that you're hot dogging it 933 00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:45.719 or anything, but that might mean that you're willing to 934 00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:50.920 trade some less exciting finishes or some closer margins of 935 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.920 victuers than you might expect to keep your team fresh 936 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:56.159 and ready to go in late December and January. And 937 00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:57.880 that's what Ohio State did this year. 938 00:44:58.079 --> 00:44:59.280 Do you think there's any chance? 939 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.159 And maybe this getting older because I'm thinking what it 940 00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.639 would be like to win. He's finished in the top 941 00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:08.280 ten every year he's been the Ohio State head coach. 942 00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:10.920 As you reference, he's seventy and ten. That's third all 943 00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:15.239 time winning percentage in college football, one of three coaches 944 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:17.800 to win a national championships as I reference, Do you 945 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:20.360 think there's any part of him that's like, I'm over 946 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.679 this and maybe he decides that he would like to 947 00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.360 go do what he does at a top the very 948 00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:28.960 you know, highest of levels somewhere else. If I don't 949 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.079 think he'd leave for a college job, but you think, 950 00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:34.840 you know, all of the pressure regardless of what he 951 00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:38.119 seems to do, is that something that maybe he says, 952 00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:40.880 I'm not interested in doing this for you people anymore. 953 00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:46.039 I mean, it's entirely possible if that conversation is going 954 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:47.639 to happen. I'm not just going to you know, it'll 955 00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:51.360 be happening after the championship parade and after something else. 956 00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:54.039 I think the next month in Columbus is. 957 00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:54.840 Going to be fascinating. 958 00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:56.920 Just I was to see how fans and I include 959 00:45:56.920 --> 00:46:00.920 myself in this honestly, how they reconcile their previous sentiments 960 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:04.480 with this guy and compartmentalize the frustration over the last 961 00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:08.239 few years With the final result. I understand that many 962 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.079 people listening to this and think, how on earth could 963 00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:12.360 you go seventy and ten and be unhappy like that 964 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:16.239 sounds insane. People Utah and dou Fans walk across broken 965 00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:18.440 glass to have some kind of a run of success 966 00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:20.400 like that. But I think you also have to remember 967 00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:23.920 that urban Meyer, when he was the coach at Ohio State, 968 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:26.920 had Ohio State in the top ten every single year, 969 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.880 made the playoffs several times, won a national championship. Had 970 00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:33.559 there been a twelve team playoff era, I think Ohio 971 00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:36.320 State would have almost certainly won at least another championship 972 00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.679 during that era. And then Jim Tresno before urban Meyer 973 00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:42.960 had Ohio State in the top ten almost every single 974 00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:46.039 year and won a title. Like you really have to 975 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:50.280 go back to World War Two to find multiple years 976 00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.239 in a row where Ohio State has sucked. It's probably 977 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:55.920 the most recession proof program in college football. 978 00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:57.280 And that isn't me just saying that as a. 979 00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:59.960 Guy that was born in Columbus, Like look up sports 980 00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:01.119 Reference man like that. 981 00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:03.840 That's that they have the highest. 982 00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:06.280 Floor of anybody in the in the sport. So you 983 00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:08.079 come in and you're just a pretty good coach, You're 984 00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:10.719 gonna win nine games there. Now you have to really 985 00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:13.840 really screw up to bottom out. And I think that 986 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:17.599 that juxtaposed to the results on the field. Is why 987 00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:20.880 you saw this awesome frustration I need. If a day 988 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:22.960 decided in two weeks, I did what I said I 989 00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:24.840 was gonna do. I'm gonna go coach with the Colts. I'm 990 00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:27.199 gonna go work with grown men. Forget this. I couldn't 991 00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:30.400 blame him, but I don't know enough to know if 992 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.960 that's if there's an opening right now that that would 993 00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:35.519 be of interest to him, given you now now that 994 00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:36.480 now there's a title. 995 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:39.840 Defense Captain Morona, I wouldn't go seventy and ten in 996 00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:42.239 college football, Matt, if we're being honest, I mean you 997 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:44.719 said b yu fans, you know, walking off, and you're 998 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:46.920 one of the few media members I could actually make 999 00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:52.360 that reference to. But seventy and ten. 1000 00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:54.079 I think would struggle to recruit in this environment. I remember, 1001 00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:57.079 if it's been a minute, but I remember he rubbed 1002 00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:59.400 a couple of people the wrong way. Yea very very 1003 00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:03.119 passionate Hi, but not everybody was always thrilled with his approach. 1004 00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:04.079 You have to be a little bit more of a 1005 00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:05.039 team player in this era. 1006 00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.239 But we're talking about the chief captain of the need fights. 1007 00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.280 He'd ad just you know that sure. 1008 00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:13.000 Well, yeah, definitely definitely team schematic mind. 1009 00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:17.199 Okay, okay, moving on before we start getting emails. I 1010 00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:19.480 just knew you were the one that I could ask 1011 00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.440 that question too, for obvious reasons. All Right, we had 1012 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.039 a lot of good college football guests on yesterday. We 1013 00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:27.360 also had the game on our station at five thirty, 1014 00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:29.760 and I asked them all the same question, Matt, because 1015 00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:32.519 I just felt like, in my opinion on paper, that 1016 00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:35.280 was a mismatch last night, and so I said, can 1017 00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:36.840 Notre Dame make this a fair fight? 1018 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:37.960 Do you think they did? 1019 00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:39.000 Oh? 1020 00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:42.599 Unquestionably. I mean the first ten minutes of the game. 1021 00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.920 I think laid out exactly the script that Notre Dame needed, 1022 00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:50.280 which was run a lot of qv power and hold 1023 00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:52.840 the ball for eight minutes and just paper cut Ohio 1024 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:56.199 State to death and limit the number of possessions. They 1025 00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:58.840 are times that Ohio State could score buck guys scored 1026 00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.880 touchdown their first four Because Notre Dame was so shit 1027 00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.519 at the beginning of the game, the margin never really 1028 00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.519 got out of hand. I think that the only real 1029 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:12.159 mismatch on that game was Ohio the Notre Dame's ability 1030 00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:16.840 to throw the ball downfield versus Ohio State's secondary. If 1031 00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:19.159 Nelson has to throw in the ball thirty two times 1032 00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:21.079 in the game, Notre Dame's gonna lose. That's not a 1033 00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.760 team that's really built to come back, and they almost did. 1034 00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:27.119 There was a there was a pathway for them to win. 1035 00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:28.880 It would have looked a lot like the Michigan game 1036 00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:30.960 where you just dragged the drag Ohives stayed into the 1037 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:33.400 mud to make the fight in a phone booth. They 1038 00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:35.119 just weren't able to do it for four quarters. They're 1039 00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:37.360 really only able to do it for about fourteen minutes. 1040 00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:39.920 So equal time here for coaches. 1041 00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:43.239 Because I've been wildly impressed with Marcus Freeman. 1042 00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:45.320 Didn't start out well with that home loss. 1043 00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:48.719 To Marshall, and obviously Week two wasn't Northern Illinois this year, 1044 00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:51.280 But what would it be like at the age of 1045 00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.960 thirty five, your first head coaching job is you're the 1046 00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:55.199 head coach of Notre Dame. 1047 00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:57.760 You know, like that's that's a wild thing. 1048 00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:01.360 And as I've listened to him more throughout this run 1049 00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:04.519 and studying him more throughout the Notre Dames, you know, 1050 00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:07.599 march to the National Championship game, I've been wildly impressed 1051 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.800 with his communication, wildly impressed with the way his players 1052 00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:12.639 respond to him. He kind of just feels like this 1053 00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:15.880 rising star in the ranks to college football. So what 1054 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.679 stands out most to you about this kind of wonderkins 1055 00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:22.199 rise we've seen from from Notre Dame's head coach Marcus Freeman. 1056 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:26.239 Sure, and maybe this market doesn't know about this or 1057 00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:28.320 I don't know if it was, you know, mentioned on 1058 00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.199 the broadcast four hundred times, but Marcus Freeman, of course 1059 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:35.880 played at Ohio State. He's from Ohio, and as Ohio 1060 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.559 State fans went to the message boards over the last 1061 00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:42.960 two years contemplating ejecting Ryan Day in the space, one 1062 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.119 of the two people that everybody said we should go 1063 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:48.199 bring we should go bring home would be Marcus Freeman. 1064 00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:51.800 I think you're exactly right. The most impressive thing that 1065 00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:55.159 I think he's managed to do this season was take 1066 00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:59.960 what is normally the most unlikable brand in college football 1067 00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:03.400 and make them likable and make them fun. It was 1068 00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:05.920 fun to root for Notre Dame this year. They're They're 1069 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:11.800 running an inspired triple option kind of offense. They're one 1070 00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:15.119 of the only major teams where where the quarterback run 1071 00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:17.519 game is an integral part of what they're doing. They 1072 00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:21.280 had two really exciting offensive skill position players. And this team, 1073 00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:25.519 you know, they had like five starters missing multiple NFL 1074 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:29.119 guys due to injury, and they were counted out nationally 1075 00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:33.199 after that. Northern Illinois lost, you know, by like week four, 1076 00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:34.639 you right, And part of that's just because they got 1077 00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.599 a little bit unlucky with the schedule this year. We 1078 00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:40.320 in our lifetime, we have had so many Notre Dame 1079 00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:45.159 coaches who are so deeply, deeply unlikable. I don't know 1080 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:47.679 if there are blood relatives that enjoyed watching and rooting 1081 00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:50.440 for Charlie White's and Brian Kelly. 1082 00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.239 Is not somebody that's going to be on the. 1083 00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:55.960 Mister Congeniality Award list for anybody that works in the 1084 00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:59.000 college sports industry. That's not what Freeman is. And he's 1085 00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:03.119 not the stereo type of what a domer has typically been. 1086 00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:05.599 I don't know if he's gonna end up staying there 1087 00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.719 for thirty years. Nobody really does in this industry other 1088 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.760 than winningham. But if I was an Notre Dame fan, 1089 00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:13.000 which I'm not, but if I was, I would be 1090 00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.760 very heartened by this year. And I feel very good 1091 00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:19.039 about where your coaching staff is today and moving forward. 1092 00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:23.159 Heard a lot of college football media members complain about 1093 00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:27.159 the length of time, the fact that it's January twentieth 1094 00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:29.599 in this Monday night game. I get it, but you 1095 00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:31.719 can't go ahead to head against the NFL. You're a 1096 00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:33.880 smart guy. What do you think the solution is here? 1097 00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:37.800 I don't really know if there is one. I understand 1098 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:41.119 the frustration too. I think in a perfect world, maybe 1099 00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:43.159 this is a game that's played in the Central time 1100 00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:45.559 zone and you go a little bit earlier and try 1101 00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:47.960 to alleviate some of those things you already kind of 1102 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:50.039 got beat up on some of these early early playoff 1103 00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:53.199 games by going against the NFL. The only thing I 1104 00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:56.480 could possibly think of is potentially starting the season. 1105 00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:56.920 A week earlier. 1106 00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.800 But then you're looking at a lot of lost revenue 1107 00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:03.480 from having maybe multiple games before class actually starts. It's 1108 00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:07.800 one of the issues that the college baseball schedule has 1109 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:11.519 with the postseason goes well past graduation for many teams. 1110 00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:13.280 The Final Four. 1111 00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:14.119 Has the same issue too. 1112 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.639 The championship game is usually on a Monday, it's usually 1113 00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:16.840 in the. 1114 00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:17.599 Eastern time zone. 1115 00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:20.800 It usually goes way past everyone else's bedtime. It thinks 1116 00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:25.159 when I'm president, will the day after the championship game 1117 00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:26.039 will be a day off. 1118 00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:26.880 Just like the super Bowl. 1119 00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:28.599 But that's we're not there yet. 1120 00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:29.079 I love it. 1121 00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:31.239 What do you make of I think Joel Klatt's the 1122 00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:34.079 one that's been pushing this narrative of college football, making 1123 00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:36.079 the Rose Bowl their answer to the Super Bowl. 1124 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:43.119 I understand it from the perspective of tradition. And you know, look, 1125 00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.840 even if you're a completely cynical person, when the sunsets 1126 00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:48.400 over the mountains around the third quarter, it does look beautiful. 1127 00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:51.239 The most cynical reporters. I know, I haven't covered a 1128 00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:52.679 game there yet, but you know, tell me, like, no, 1129 00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.119 when you touch the grass, you recognize that it's perfect. 1130 00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:58.840 The very selfish state response for me, and this is 1131 00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:01.000 not something that other people are going to care about, 1132 00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:02.519 but you and I might care a little bit. 1133 00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:04.599 Is that the Rose Bush. 1134 00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:06.599 Is hard to get to, and when you host gigantic 1135 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:09.480 events in Los Angeles, because traffic is so bad and 1136 00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:13.199 everything is so sprawled out, it's difficult to get hotels, 1137 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:15.199 it's difficult to do media availability. 1138 00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:17.159 You just you're just stuck there. 1139 00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:20.519 And there's there's really three cities where you can have 1140 00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:24.480 a great stadium experience, and fans and everybody involved in 1141 00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:25.440 the event can can. 1142 00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:27.079 Be relatively close by and you can. 1143 00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:30.519 Have all the programming within walking distance. I think that's Atlanta, 1144 00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:33.320 It's New Orleans, and it's Indianapolis. I know everybody makes 1145 00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:35.480 fun of Indianapolis that you've covered a major event there. 1146 00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:37.719 You get it. You're not there to go, move or 1147 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:39.960 to go. You know, look check out the art scene. 1148 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:42.400 You're you're there for for this this major football game. 1149 00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:46.119 It'd be cool for television. But having covered events to 1150 00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:47.639 other places, I think if I had to go to 1151 00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:49.639 the Rose Bowl every year, I would complain a little 1152 00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:50.760 bit about being stuck in my car. 1153 00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:53.360 And there it is. There, it is, Yes, the final 1154 00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:54.360 the final point there. 1155 00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:57.440 Hey, you know the narrative matters, you know, is that 1156 00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:00.920 Ohio State Body Championship eight a grip of money for 1157 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:02.760 a group you know, twenty to twenty five mil. 1158 00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:03.920 I don't know what the number is. 1159 00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:07.360 But you know what's interesting, The majority of that revenue 1160 00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:09.679 went to like returning players. You know, in a way, 1161 00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:14.400 Ryan Day built this thing over a long game type play, 1162 00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:16.119 and I think the narrative is like they just went 1163 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:17.760 and bought a bunch of dudes in the transfer port. 1164 00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:20.880 They brought in some And we've been debating here because 1165 00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:24.280 Utah football is bringing in forty one new players. It's 1166 00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:26.679 a fifty three percent roster turnover, and you get it 1167 00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:28.440 because they really struggled a year ago. 1168 00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:29.880 But coach witz Mo has. 1169 00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:33.760 Always been recruit, develop, retain, win, and the best Utah 1170 00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:37.119 teams have always been teams that have had third four 1171 00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:39.960 fifth year guys, so four eight you know, Rose Bowl, 1172 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:43.320 Pac twelve champs as well. And is that a model 1173 00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:46.320 for success in college football? So how would you articulate 1174 00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:48.920 the way Ryan Day and the Ohio State administration went 1175 00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:51.360 about building this roster and allocating their funds. 1176 00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:53.760 Yeah, this is this is something I'm going to be 1177 00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:56.079 writing about some more this week because I've seen that 1178 00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:58.599 narrative too, and I do think it's missing the. 1179 00:55:58.599 --> 00:55:59.199 Point a little bit. 1180 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:03.519 So, yes, the total payroll for Ohio States football roster 1181 00:56:03.639 --> 00:56:06.599 was about twenty million dollars down on the field. Talk 1182 00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:09.440 to the athletic director, roster Orke. He confirmed that Ryan 1183 00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:13.719 Day alluded to it in the final press conference. Both 1184 00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:16.480 people also said, and I'm inclined to believe this that 1185 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:18.800 that wasn't the highest payroll in college football this year. 1186 00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:20.840 And it's hard to get hard and fast data about this, 1187 00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:25.199 depending on who you talk to. Oregon, Texas, Miami, we're 1188 00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:27.559 all in that conversation as well. That they didn't make 1189 00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:30.079 it to where Ohio State did. What I believe you're 1190 00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:31.920 seeing at this point. Now we have a couple of 1191 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:36.079 years of data. It's enough evidence to suggest that you 1192 00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:39.599 can and should plug particular holes in your roster hea 1193 00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:43.320 the transfer portal. And there's some position groups where it's 1194 00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:48.079 easier to do this than others, but that it's very 1195 00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.679 difficult to build the bulk of your roster that way 1196 00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:52.400 simply because you need continuity. 1197 00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:54.039 So one thing I think i'd. 1198 00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:56.440 Point to you here is that every single starter in 1199 00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:59.920 that championship game on Ohio State's offensive and defensive lines 1200 00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:04.679 was a high school commit to Ohio State. Set the Blackmow, 1201 00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:08.320 the center, you know, came from Alabama. You might have 1202 00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:11.760 remembered that he had a truly horrific game in the 1203 00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:14.440 College Football Playoff, had a couple of fumbles, That's why 1204 00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:14.880 he was off. 1205 00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:15.639 He was injured. 1206 00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:18.159 I did not play through the through the playoff run, 1207 00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:21.760 but most of those guys were seniors or or red 1208 00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:24.199 yerd juniors, or people that turned down going to the 1209 00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:27.480 NFL for the third or fourth round, uh, delaying their 1210 00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:30.679 their their second contract to come back and and win 1211 00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:34.000 a title. I think there's enough evidence to suggest you 1212 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:36.360 can definitely get a quarterback and in the transfer portal, 1213 00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:38.039 And in fact, I think that's going to be pretty 1214 00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:40.280 common because no one's going to sit on the bench 1215 00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:42.239 for more than one year, so there's gonna be a 1216 00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:46.119 lot of good guys, you know, will will Howard as 1217 00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:48.519 a as a mid three star who got you know, 1218 00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:51.119 bench for Adrian Martinez. It wasn't exactly like picking up 1219 00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:53.760 Kayleb Williams in the portal, but like those guys exist, 1220 00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:57.519 Ohio State had picked up maybe the best safety in 1221 00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:00.760 the country. Uh, there was only available because Nick Staban 1222 00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:05.000 retires and picked up a really good running back that 1223 00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.360 the side. It was okay taking a substantially lesser role 1224 00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:12.880 to split carries with a five star high school Ohio 1225 00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:15.920 State commit. The place where I think you run into 1226 00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:17.199 the most trouble is trying to build the line of 1227 00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:19.159 scriptage that way. And it's just because there generally are 1228 00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:22.920 not enough good offensive linemen that hit the portal and 1229 00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:26.280 you really generally need a lot of experience and time 1230 00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:31.360 and reps to build chemistry specifically within that unit. We're 1231 00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:34.599 gonna see a couple of teams win championships in different ways, right. 1232 00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:36.920 I don't think everyone has to do things exactly like 1233 00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:40.239 Ohio State. You don't have to spend exactly that much money. 1234 00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:42.559 And to be fair, a non trivial amount of that 1235 00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:43.760 money was not donor money. 1236 00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:45.559 Well, that was actual, honest. 1237 00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:49.360 To goodness, legitimate corporate marketing deals, and Ohio State will 1238 00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:52.840 probably you know then in Texas will probably always have 1239 00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:56.840 the most legitimate corporate marketing deals, maybe Michigan in a 1240 00:58:57.199 --> 00:59:00.639 in some years. But I think it's going to be 1241 00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:03.480 easier to build a team where the majority of your 1242 00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:06.360 players are people that signed with you as high schoolers 1243 00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:09.519 or if they were transfers, stay with your program for 1244 00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:11.559 multiple years, and then you go when you try to 1245 00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:13.760 fill three or four holes in your roster each year. 1246 00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.079 So the Big Ten now has back to back national champs. 1247 00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:19.960 They have Oregon with Uncle Phil's money, they have Ohio 1248 00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:24.559 State and Michigan. They have LA Chicago, New York. If 1249 00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:27.719 you can't Rutgers, I suppose, and there are a lot 1250 00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:29.880 of Penn State fans in Philly. They have some of 1251 00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:33.079 the biggest markets in the country, They have some of 1252 00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:34.960 the best teams in the country. Is it time to 1253 00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:37.599 say the Big Ten is not just a pre emitive 1254 00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:38.800 conference in college football? 1255 00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:39.800 But it might not be close? 1256 00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:43.239 Don't I don't know if I'm willing to say that 1257 00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:47.480 it's it's overwhelmingly the best conference in college football. I 1258 00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:50.360 think I think pound for pound, is probably still the SEC. 1259 00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:52.440 But that gap is as small as it's ever been, 1260 00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:56.880 and there's a reason to believe that that friend could change. 1261 00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:59.679 And it's interesting because this is also true when you 1262 00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:03.159 look at the the history of college football. The main 1263 01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:07.840 entities that were opposed to giving athletic scholarships were Big 1264 01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:11.800 Ten teams. Because those Big Ten schools were in more 1265 01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:16.400 industrialized and large, larger metropolitan areas, it was much easier 1266 01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:17.679 to give those athletes. 1267 01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:18.199 Make work jobs. 1268 01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:21.119 And schools in the South, which were often in smaller 1269 01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:25.159 areas and less wealthy states and had less wealthy fan bases, 1270 01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:27.840 wanted to give scholarships so they could be an equal 1271 01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:30.159 footing because they knew that Michigan and Ohio State in 1272 01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:34.559 Minnesota and Wisconsin kind of outbid death and then you 1273 01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:37.559 went to the athletic scholarship model. There was some more parody. 1274 01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:41.119 He had the under the table Bagman era where I 1275 01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:44.400 think the Southeast really had a major advantage. And there's 1276 01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:46.280 an argument to be made as to move into revenue 1277 01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:50.760 sharing and move into a world where money above the 1278 01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:53.400 cap that have to be tied to marketing deals and 1279 01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:56.559 it's going to be more strictly like monitored via. 1280 01:00:56.360 --> 01:00:57.280 The court system. 1281 01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:01.280 Is going to give another big advantage to schools in 1282 01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:04.639 not just larger markets, but that have richer fans and 1283 01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:08.039 are tied to larger industries. And you can say what 1284 01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:09.639 you will that there's a lot of great schools in 1285 01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:13.400 the SEC, but the higher end institutions in the Big 1286 01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:16.400 ten has fifty thousand students, you know, student student bodies, 1287 01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:19.840 alumni networks of two hundred three hundred, four hundred thousand people, 1288 01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:23.679 and law schools and medical schools and a deeper tradition 1289 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:27.519 of professional education and richer alumni than most schools in 1290 01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:31.239 the SEC. So it's entirely possible that the pendulum was 1291 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:35.239 flewing back. You know, Auburn has pressurized lumber money, Georgia 1292 01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:39.880 has alcohol money, Texas and Texas and m have oil money, 1293 01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:42.000 which is a different level of rich and mean. The 1294 01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:46.039 Michigans of the world have fast money, tech money. Larry 1295 01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:49.800 Ellison's girlfriend, you know, besides, she's in Michigan sand So 1296 01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:53.039 Larry Ellison cuts a three million dollar check for Bryce Hunderwood. 1297 01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:56.800 There's things at Ohio State and Michigan and the s extent. 1298 01:01:56.960 --> 01:02:00.400 You know, Wisconsin and Nebraska can do that. A lot 1299 01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:01.760 of schools in the SEC can't. 1300 01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:03.159 And that's going to be I. 1301 01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:08.519 Think an uncomfortable cultural reevaluation compared to how people in 1302 01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:10.760 the South look at their football programs over the last 1303 01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:11.639 fifteen years. 1304 01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:14.480 Final thing mad will set you loose. And you know, 1305 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:16.199 when I saw that you're on the rundown, I wanted 1306 01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:18.159 to ask you about this because you'll be good with it. 1307 01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:21.400 The US Department of Education, we've been waiting for a 1308 01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:22.679 little Title nine guidance. 1309 01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:23.239 We got it. 1310 01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:26.559 So future revenue distributions from a school to an athlete 1311 01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:29.320 or his or her NL rights are now what's called 1312 01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:33.400 financial assistance, which must be made proportionally available to male 1313 01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:36.119 and female athletes. I was not aware of this, but 1314 01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:38.320 my news alerts tell me we have a new president 1315 01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:42.159 that has been installed, so potentially this could change things. 1316 01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:45.400 But what's your take on where we're at now after 1317 01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:49.199 the Department what the Department of Education released and moving 1318 01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:51.760 forward with a new president in the White House and 1319 01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.920 a new administration, what effect could that have on this ruling? 1320 01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:56.599 And where do you ultimately do you think we land. 1321 01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:59.639 It's a great question, And what I can tell you, 1322 01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:02.320 guys is I've been tracking this for over a year 1323 01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:07.159 and talking to a lot of experienced litigators and attorneys 1324 01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:09.880 that work in the Title nine space, and what I 1325 01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:13.679 heard pretty consistently over the last nine ten months was 1326 01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:16.679 that based on the letter of the law and based 1327 01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:21.800 on court precedent and administrative precedent, and not just from 1328 01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:24.880 like the Biden and Obama administrations, but you're going further back, 1329 01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:27.320 you're based on on on the law. 1330 01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:30.960 The Doees guidance here makes a lot of sense. 1331 01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:34.199 There was, there was. That's part of the reason why 1332 01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:38.360 you saw a lot of universities try to really hedge 1333 01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:40.880 their bets with how with with with revenue sharing a 1334 01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:43.320 needle with some of their work with NIL because they're 1335 01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:47.079 very worried about that potential liability. So that's true on 1336 01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:49.440 one component. So I'm not I'm not shocked that the 1337 01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:52.119 advice came at all. I am shocked that it came, 1338 01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:55.320 you know, three days before the Biden administration's out the door. 1339 01:03:56.440 --> 01:03:59.159 The other kind of challenging thing though about Title nine 1340 01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:04.119 is that there's no Title nine cops right. The Civil 1341 01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:06.880 Rights Division of the Department of Education will go after 1342 01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:10.239 you when somebody sues you, when there's a complaint, and 1343 01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:11.559 that process takes forever. 1344 01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:11.920 Right. 1345 01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:14.559 We have we have a case still pending right now 1346 01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:17.280 with Oregon, and we're one of the components. Are are 1347 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:22.280 women athletes suing over uh, disproportionate publicity and and side 1348 01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:25.679 benefits and and administrative support around nil to say nothing 1349 01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:26.440 of revenue sharing. 1350 01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:27.320 And we're not close to. 1351 01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:29.960 That case being finished. So what a lot of a 1352 01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:33.599 lot of universities in this market, in my market, across 1353 01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:38.159 the country have decided to do is say, look, we're 1354 01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:42.679 all speeding. They can't arrest all of us, and and 1355 01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:44.719 we don't see enough state troopers out here. So I'm 1356 01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:46.880 not going to adjust my speed. I'm just going to 1357 01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:48.760 hope that I'm not the red Lambeau that that you know, 1358 01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:51.360 that draws the FED detentions. First, like if the Feds 1359 01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:55.000 can't stiffing in. Almost everybody in Division one is out 1360 01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:58.199 of compliance and Title nine and in some capacity it's 1361 01:04:58.199 --> 01:04:59.400 just not it's just not regular. 1362 01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:00.800 It's not an worse very often. 1363 01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:05.039 So this is a major question, is what this administration 1364 01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:08.920 decides to do with this particular component of Title nine. 1365 01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:12.639 And honest to God, I think that's that's not an 1366 01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:15.480 easy political question to answer, right because you've had a 1367 01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:18.599 lot of conservative activists points is Title nine as part 1368 01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:22.199 of the justification for fighting back really hard against trans 1369 01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:25.079 participation in athletics. You're going to have a lot of 1370 01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:27.920 other conservative activists who are not willing to go to 1371 01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:32.480 the mattresses to fight over equal distribution of financial payments 1372 01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:35.440 for women's basketball players, to take money from football players 1373 01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:37.760 and give it to women's basketball. 1374 01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:38.440 Or women's volleyball. 1375 01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:41.000 You're gonna have some conservative activists you don't think we 1376 01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:43.559 should have Title nine at all. And I think there 1377 01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:46.679 may be a real bipartisan conversation about. 1378 01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:49.000 Revisiting that law because it wasn't written. 1379 01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:53.480 For sports, and it wasn't really written for a world 1380 01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:57.840 where where collegiate athletics becomes more explicitly professionalized. And that's 1381 01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:00.320 a conversation worth having. So all of this is to say, 1382 01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:03.719 I'm I actually am really frustrated that the Biden administration 1383 01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:05.679 isided to do this because I think that just injects 1384 01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:10.119 more chaos and uncertainty without a meaningful solution. And uh, 1385 01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:12.400 it's not a good time to go be have a 1386 01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:14.360 dot evu email address of working in this stuff here, 1387 01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:16.440 because you're gonna get you're probably gonna get sued either way. 1388 01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:18.840 Where can people go get all your work? Matt? 1389 01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:23.599 You can find my stuff at extra Points MB dot com. 1390 01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:26.920 Or Matt Brown EP on Twitter and Blue Sky. 1391 01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:29.360 Thank you, my friend. Have a great week and we'll 1392 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:29.840 chat too. 1393 01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:31.760 Oh it's always my pleasure. 1394 01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:33.320 Thanks for having me, I the great Matt Brown. 1395 01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:35.199 I'm telling you it's one of the best college football 1396 01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:37.599 newsletters around. 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They're professionals like us. 1438 01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:36.880 I'm always surprised at the filter some of those guys 1439 01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:41.840 are able to have when they're like professionally able to 1440 01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:43.439 speak the way that they do on stage. 1441 01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:47.920 When you booked Rapaport and Studio, like exactly, if you've 1442 01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:51.760 ever watched any of Rapaport's content, like he doesn't go 1443 01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:55.720 more than one sentence without dropping the cursiest of curses 1444 01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:58.479 and Jim Jefferies is kind of the same. 1445 01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:00.319 He's an Australian guy. Have you ever seen in any 1446 01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:02.840 of his specials. Yeah, they're like all on Netflix. 1447 01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:04.279 He's got like six or seven of them up there, 1448 01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:07.279 so I've seen I want to say, two or three, 1449 01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:09.800 but definitely not like his whole. 1450 01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:12.560 What do you call it discography. 1451 01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:15.800 Yeah, his last special, This is Me Now, is on Netflix. 1452 01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:17.960 I still I believe it's still on Netflix. His single 1453 01:09:18.039 --> 01:09:20.479 day so I'm a single dad, as you know, both 1454 01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:23.399 the son and now dog his single dad takes. 1455 01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:25.319 Oh man, they're hilarious. 1456 01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:28.960 They're not for on air consumption, at least on this format, 1457 01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:30.399 but he'll be playing wise guys. 1458 01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:32.680 Yeah, he's going to be at the Eckles. Oh at 1459 01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:34.039 the Eckles. The Eckles. 1460 01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:38.079 So as part of the interview getting getting some free 1461 01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:40.760 Jim Jeffers ticket, we do have a giveaway, so some 1462 01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:42.920 of our listeners will get free Jim Jefferson. 1463 01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:44.800 Now that giveaways, that giveaway is going right in my 1464 01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:46.319 back pocket. I'll ask about you two. 1465 01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:48.239 I'm not allowed to do that, but I would love 1466 01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:50.640 to see Jim Jeffers live. So he's gonna hop on 1467 01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:53.319 today then Mike Samford Junior rolls by for some more 1468 01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:57.760 college football in the program. Some news that has kind 1469 01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:00.319 of dropped since we have been on air and been 1470 01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:04.199 very busy. Sounds like Josh McDaniels is being hired as 1471 01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:06.920 the New England Patriots offensive coordinator for the third time, 1472 01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:08.039 to work with Mike Rabel. 1473 01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:08.760 Yeah. 1474 01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:12.000 From what I understand, that was the second that Mike 1475 01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:15.319 Rabel was hired. It was pretty much a sure thing 1476 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:19.399 that that would happen. And that's from guys that have 1477 01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:22.439 been in locker rooms with those two and and know 1478 01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:28.439 the relationship that Vrabel and McDaniels have, So yeah, I 1479 01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:31.439 think that was that was one that it's surprising when 1480 01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:34.640 you see it just because third time, same job, you're 1481 01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:38.880 gonna give it another try. I think that this time 1482 01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:42.399 around it's it's the pairing that they really like, and 1483 01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:44.359 Vrabel was the one that made that happen for. 1484 01:10:44.359 --> 01:10:45.000 The third time. 1485 01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:48.840 McDaniel's back in New England to call plays be offensive 1486 01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:53.000 coordinator Kevin O'Connell. The Vikings agree to a multi year 1487 01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:56.479 extension today as well. So obviously there's still NFL games 1488 01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:58.840 to be played, but this is the time of year 1489 01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:01.840 where a lot of the good teams are obviously still playing, 1490 01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:04.399 so certain organizations are waiting for them to be done 1491 01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:07.800 in order to find their next head coach. Ben Johnson 1492 01:11:07.960 --> 01:11:10.239 has been hired officially this was yesterday as the head 1493 01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:11.479 coach of the Chicago Bears. 1494 01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:12.880 He will coach Caleb Williams. 1495 01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:17.439 What so, here's my only question about Ben Johnson. Have 1496 01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:19.960 you ever heard him interviewed and have you been like 1497 01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:22.640 blown away by his personality? He seems to be kind 1498 01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:24.960 of like robotic, right, And I'm not sure that that's 1499 01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:27.199 bad for a play caller, but I don't know if 1500 01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:28.279 that's great for your head coach. 1501 01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:28.560 Yeah. 1502 01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:33.119 No, I share that sentiment because it is. It's one 1503 01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:35.880 where you know, we can think of Andy Ludwig, a 1504 01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:37.960 guy who I think is a really good play caller, 1505 01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:42.680 a really good offensive formulator. But I would never see 1506 01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:45.239 Andy Ludwig as a head football coach just because of 1507 01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:48.600 his demeanor, the way he approaches the game. It's more 1508 01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:52.680 about diagnosing. He's almost like a doctor. It feels like, right, 1509 01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:56.039 he's figuring stuff out and trying to apply a fix 1510 01:11:56.119 --> 01:12:00.880 to it. A head coach, in almost every circumstance needs 1511 01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:04.119 a little bit of a little bit of I don't 1512 01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:10.520 know whatever Dan Campbell has, right, and maybe that's something 1513 01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:12.720 we have to get away from because you do see 1514 01:12:12.760 --> 01:12:16.800 coaches come in and have somewhat some success that don't 1515 01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:22.960 have that traditional traditional football coach field. But you know, 1516 01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:26.359 I understand where you're coming from. But I want to 1517 01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:28.079 see it now that he is the head coach, now 1518 01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:31.199 that he does have that title, Uh does he adjust 1519 01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:33.079 to it at all? Does he you know? Is he 1520 01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:37.079 more upfront, more more public facing? And uh, well, we'll 1521 01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:39.079 just have to see. But what I will say is 1522 01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:43.000 I love I love some of his offensive designs, some 1523 01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:46.600 of his play calls. You can call them trick plays, 1524 01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:49.439 but a lot of times they're not trick plays at all. 1525 01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:53.479 They're just designed to misdirect. They're designed to look like 1526 01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:57.600 trick plays, and they're really simple formulations. I love watching 1527 01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:00.159 his offense and I think with the rights of the 1528 01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:03.560 right personnel, he could be really successful. 1529 01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:05.399 All right, let me get let me get your take 1530 01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:09.239 on this. So the final CFP rankings were released. Obviously, 1531 01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:11.680 now the season is behind us BYU came in at 1532 01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:17.359 seventeen Arizona State Land where did Arizona State Land? 1533 01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:18.800 Oregon won? 1534 01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:24.000 So BYU so Arizona State came in at twelve, BYU 1535 01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:28.279 at seventeen, Iowa State eighteen, Colorado at twenty three. That 1536 01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:31.880 rounds out your Big twelve teams as far as ranked 1537 01:13:31.880 --> 01:13:34.359 in the final CFP rankings. When it came to the 1538 01:13:34.399 --> 01:13:39.399 AP pole, Arizona State comes in at seven, BYU at thirteen. 1539 01:13:39.439 --> 01:13:41.880 I know BYU fans are very sad today that SMU 1540 01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:42.399 is twelve. 1541 01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:43.359 It will be okay. 1542 01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:47.479 BYU at thirteen, I was stayed at fifteen. Looks like 1543 01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:50.479 that's it. Oh No, Colorado held on at number twenty five. 1544 01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:54.119 So porter If BYU is thirteen in the final AP 1545 01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:59.920 and they're seventeen in the final CFP, where's their preseasons 1546 01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:04.000 next year? I feel like it's top twenty. I feel 1547 01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:05.720 like it's like between fifteen and twenty. 1548 01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:08.279 I think so. 1549 01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:11.640 I think they'll be a top twenty five team when 1550 01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:14.680 it comes to preseason rankings. But as you know, Spence, 1551 01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:19.560 those rankings don't always reflect necessarily everything that you see 1552 01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:22.199 at the end of the year. They're going to be 1553 01:14:22.199 --> 01:14:24.439 taken into account of a bunch of recruiting rankings, a 1554 01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:28.039 bunch of you know, prognostications of what this team will 1555 01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:30.079 look like next year, I think by You will be 1556 01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:32.840 a top twenty five team. I don't know that they'll 1557 01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:35.239 be a top fifteen team in the preseason rankings. 1558 01:14:35.399 --> 01:14:38.039 I think they'll be, you know, twenty two or so. 1559 01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:41.880 But again, those are our things that why do we 1560 01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:43.800 even do the preseason ones just to talk about in 1561 01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:44.720 the radio, because we have. 1562 01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:47.760 Four hours of sports doc rated to do porter Unfortunately, 1563 01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:51.159 we can't just fill time talking about our favorite Jim 1564 01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:52.399 Jeffrey stand up special. 1565 01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:53.600 That's all it's for. 1566 01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:56.399 It's for content for people like us to talk about, 1567 01:14:56.479 --> 01:14:59.640 people like Mark Schlaba to ride about, because we're trying 1568 01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:02.119 to rate interest in Do you want to talk about 1569 01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:02.920 the jazz today? 1570 01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:06.119 Yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there. 1571 01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:09.880 Mark Schlabaugh wrote his Way too Early preseason top twenty 1572 01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:12.479 five coming up for the Fall. BYU comes in at 1573 01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:15.680 nine for sleay Ba's Way too Early Top twenty five. 1574 01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:18.840 He has Ohio State as and they're the Vegas favorite 1575 01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:20.880 to win it again. Texas at two, so a house 1576 01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:23.479 date one, Texas to Penn State three, Notre Dame four, 1577 01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:28.239 Georgia five, Oregon six, Clemson seven, LSU eight, b y 1578 01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:32.680 U nine bringing back Jake Raetz laugh, LJ. Martin, Chase Roberts, Keeln, 1579 01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:36.159 Marion Harrison, Taggart, Isaiah Glasger, Jack Kelly, and Tanner Wall. 1580 01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:39.359 Jacob Robbinson is going to the NFL. Tyler Battie will 1581 01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:44.680 play pro football, but he's graduated. Crew Wakeley transferred. Connor 1582 01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:47.760 pay also will be playing pro football. So some losses, 1583 01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:51.720 but a grip of players returning. Mark Haziowa State at 1584 01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:55.359 eleven out of the Big twelve, Arizona State at fourteen. 1585 01:15:55.439 --> 01:15:57.640 So he has Arizona State as the number three ranked 1586 01:15:57.680 --> 01:15:59.079 team in the Big twelve. 1587 01:15:59.199 --> 01:15:59.760 Kansas State. 1588 01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:03.319 As we kind of scroll down, my guess is that's 1589 01:16:03.479 --> 01:16:07.560 all for the Big twelve. And it is so no 1590 01:16:07.680 --> 01:16:11.279 Colorado in the top twenty five. And obviously Utah has 1591 01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:13.079 a lot of questions to answer. You know, I heard 1592 01:16:13.159 --> 01:16:15.119 Joe Klatt talking about this on his pod this morning. 1593 01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:18.520 He was talking about this from a Michigan standpoint, and 1594 01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:20.800 he made a point that I thought was somewhat interesting. 1595 01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:22.520 I don't know how much meat is on this bone, 1596 01:16:22.840 --> 01:16:24.479 but I just thought about it through the prism of 1597 01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:27.039 Utah and BYU, and I want to get your thoughts. 1598 01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:27.279 Porter. 1599 01:16:27.479 --> 01:16:31.439 He said, anytime your rival accomplishes something So like, if 1600 01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:33.520 you're Sean Moore, if you're Michigan, if you're their ad 1601 01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:37.239 and administration, you're looking at what Ohio State just did. 1602 01:16:37.640 --> 01:16:40.319 You're looking at their formula, you're looking at their payroll, 1603 01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:43.600 and because they are your rival, you're saying to yourselves, 1604 01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:45.600 how can we get back on their level? Even though 1605 01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:48.720 Michigan vet Ohio State this year? If your Utah, are 1606 01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:51.199 you looking at what BYU did this year as a 1607 01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:53.600 shot across the bow at all and using that as 1608 01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:55.880 motivation to maybe get back to where this thing was 1609 01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:56.560 not too long ago. 1610 01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:57.840 I think you kind of have to. 1611 01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:02.720 Maybe not, you know, in in all circumstances, all situations, 1612 01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:04.920 is that your your guiding beacon. 1613 01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:06.520 But you have to. 1614 01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:08.720 And part of the reason is not just because their 1615 01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:12.319 rival spence and you're wanting to best your rival. Part 1616 01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:16.000 of that reason is because these two rivals are so interconnected. 1617 01:17:16.079 --> 01:17:18.680 They are in the same market for all intents and purposes. 1618 01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:21.399 They are in the same you know state. They are 1619 01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:25.800 fighting for some of the same corporate money, which corporate 1620 01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:28.800 money in college sports is now money for your roster 1621 01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:33.880 if you can wiggle it the right way. So that's 1622 01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:37.079 why you absolutely are looking at some of the things 1623 01:17:37.119 --> 01:17:40.680 they're doing, both wrong and right, and trying to adjust 1624 01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:46.239 to that, trying to, you know, maybe tinker with your 1625 01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:50.039 strategy on how you approach this new landscape a little bit. 1626 01:17:51.479 --> 01:17:55.479 You know, I think ultimately you're probably not going to 1627 01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:58.640 use any other school as a guiding beacon again, but 1628 01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:03.439 you're definitely keeping a side eye on not only your rivals, 1629 01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:07.279 but also just teams that are similarly similarly suited to you, 1630 01:18:07.359 --> 01:18:12.159 whether it's market or geographic recruiting footprint. There's a lot 1631 01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:16.479 of that where you know, teams will teams will look for, yes, 1632 01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:18.680 what b what you's doing, but also the other way around. 1633 01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:20.960 We're by you've seen what Utah is doing, you know, 1634 01:18:22.439 --> 01:18:25.800 developing players and the like. The same may go for 1635 01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:29.319 Utah trying to see how they got their best defensive 1636 01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:31.760 tackle to leave Salt Lake and go to Provo. 1637 01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:34.199 This year, Utah Jazz went down to the Big Easy 1638 01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:36.119 and dropped a couple of games with the Pelicans. 1639 01:18:36.199 --> 01:18:39.359 They were ahead by twenty five points last night. TJ. 1640 01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:43.680 McCollum had forty five six points at overtime the Pelicans. 1641 01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:47.399 That's the largest comeback in franchise history. They came back 1642 01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:51.079 to beat the Jazz. If you are looking to watch 1643 01:18:51.079 --> 01:18:53.000 one of the best teams in the NBA that's actually 1644 01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:55.600 trying to win, the Jazz are back in action tomorrow 1645 01:18:56.039 --> 01:18:57.079 at Oka See. 1646 01:18:57.159 --> 01:18:58.760 So not out for the Jazz tonight. 1647 01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:02.479 Busy night in the NBA, of course, as we now 1648 01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:05.920 have moved on from college football officially, so no Jazz 1649 01:19:05.960 --> 01:19:08.439 basketball tonight, But there's a sneaky big game for one 1650 01:19:08.479 --> 01:19:11.399 of our n state college basketball teams tonight BYU is 1651 01:19:11.399 --> 01:19:16.479 at Colorado. Colorado is not good this year. I think 1652 01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:18.840 they are the worst team in the conference record wise. 1653 01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:21.640 I'm not sure they've won a Big Twelve game as 1654 01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:23.079 I look up the standings in real time. 1655 01:19:23.079 --> 01:19:23.840 In fact, they have not. 1656 01:19:23.960 --> 01:19:25.920 They're zero to six and the Big Twelve they're nine 1657 01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:28.840 and eight overall. B YU right now is two and 1658 01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:32.319 four in conference. They've got to win tonight. They have 1659 01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:34.479 not won one on the road, they have not won 1660 01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:37.039 a quad one game, and as of now, they're not 1661 01:19:37.159 --> 01:19:39.920 close to being projected as an NCAA tournament team. That 1662 01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:42.840 two and four record in conference ties then with Cincinnati 1663 01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:47.359 and Oklahoma State, Arizona State case Day one and five Colorado, 1664 01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:50.119 oh and six. So BYU with kind of a sneaky 1665 01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:53.079 big game tonight. Utah three and three in conference. And 1666 01:19:53.119 --> 01:19:56.239 in case you missed it, Utah's next game has been moved. 1667 01:19:56.279 --> 01:19:57.840 It was originally scheduled. 1668 01:19:57.399 --> 01:20:00.960 For tonight and now will be tomorrow afternoon at four 1669 01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:06.000 o'clock Mountain Time against Houston, who just is impossible. This 1670 01:20:06.039 --> 01:20:09.840 will be a cage fight. This will be a physical matchup. 1671 01:20:09.880 --> 01:20:15.119 Houston has big, physical NBA you know, prospects, future pros, 1672 01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:19.239 and ultimately it'll be interesting to see how Utah stacks up. 1673 01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:21.880 But if they keep with it, they stay within twenty 1674 01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:24.600 against Houston tomorrow, I think that'll be a win. The 1675 01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:27.920 women are in action tomorrow against Kansas here in Salt Lake. 1676 01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:30.680 Utah State back at it after losing the UNLV last week. 1677 01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:34.079 They welcome in Nevada tomorrow and Logan. So some college 1678 01:20:34.119 --> 01:20:36.800 basketball top of mind this time of years. We are 1679 01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:39.279 inching our way towards the IDEs of March. All right, 1680 01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:41.000 two hours down, two hours to go. We're gonna take 1681 01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:43.119 a little bit of break and have a little fun 1682 01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:46.119 break from sports and eat Sports is fun. Stand up 1683 01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:49.720 comedy is also fun. The legend Jim Jefferies, who's in 1684 01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:52.319 town to play a show, at the Echos Theater. Will 1685 01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:55.760 stop by coming up next, all right, rolling along on 1686 01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:58.840 a Tuesday afternoon, We're gonna bring in Mike Samford Junior 1687 01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:00.920 coming up to do a little college football. We'll launch 1688 01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:03.680 it into the five o'clock hour of the program. But 1689 01:21:03.800 --> 01:21:07.359 coming up on February the thirteenth at the eCos Theater 1690 01:21:07.479 --> 01:21:10.119 here in Salt Lake City, our next guest is performing live. 1691 01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:11.800 I've long been a fan, and so this is a 1692 01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:15.399 treat for me to welcome in stand up comic actor, writer, 1693 01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:18.840 et cetera, et cetera, Jim Jefferies on the program on 1694 01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:20.039 a Tuesday afternoon. 1695 01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:21.560 Jim, Happy Tuesday. How are you, sir? 1696 01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:24.359 Thanks for having me mad, I'm doing great. 1697 01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:25.840 I got to ask you right out of the gates. 1698 01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:27.520 Are you a sports fan of any kind? 1699 01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:32.560 I'm a big sports guy. Yeah. I'm mostly followed baseball, 1700 01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:35.199 so I'm lucky enough to support the Dodges, which we 1701 01:21:35.720 --> 01:21:37.960 seem to get all the trades at the moment, and 1702 01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:42.359 I follow the Clippers a bit because my son's mad 1703 01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:45.560 into basketball. But I grew up watching rugby and rugby 1704 01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:46.560 league in Australia. 1705 01:21:47.079 --> 01:21:50.800 Do you know who Joe ingles Well, Cop I'll watch anything. 1706 01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:52.520 Really, Okay, do you know who Joe Ingles is? 1707 01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:58.479 Yes, Joe Ingles is. Joe Ingles played for Utah Juys 1708 01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:01.720 for a long time and now he plays Oh he 1709 01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:06.279 plays to somewhere else now. But he got Australia the 1710 01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:09.640 bronze medal. Man. I know Joe Ingles, of course I did. 1711 01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:12.439 Okay, yeah, because we had Joe Ingles and Dante ExHAM 1712 01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:14.720 here and when they were here playing for the Jazz 1713 01:22:14.760 --> 01:22:17.479 I was working over for the Jazz radio station and 1714 01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:19.560 Joe was like the funniest dude. 1715 01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:21.520 I mean, he was a basketball player, but he was 1716 01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:22.279 just hilarious. 1717 01:22:22.399 --> 01:22:25.359 What is it about the Australian humor that seems to 1718 01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:27.680 tickle American's funny bone the way it does. 1719 01:22:29.399 --> 01:22:31.880 I think a lot of it's got to do with phrasing. 1720 01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:34.600 And we seem to be laid back, you know. It 1721 01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:38.000 seemed to be cool guys, you know, but I don't 1722 01:22:38.039 --> 01:22:39.800 know if we are. I think we're not as laid 1723 01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:42.560 back as people say we are, you know. I think 1724 01:22:42.680 --> 01:22:44.439 people thought we were cool for a while and then 1725 01:22:44.479 --> 01:22:46.760 we got screwed over by Ray Gun in the Olympics, 1726 01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:49.000 and it's really taking us back a few sticks. 1727 01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:52.359 Hey, I'll the speak for myself. You know, I thought 1728 01:22:52.399 --> 01:22:54.600 it was hilarious. I thought Raygun ruled. I thought it 1729 01:22:54.680 --> 01:22:55.119 was awesome. 1730 01:22:56.960 --> 01:22:59.039 There's a comedy club in Melbourne that's trying to do 1731 01:22:59.159 --> 01:23:02.119 ray Gun the music, and she has sent legal papers 1732 01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:04.960 trying to get it stopped, so she doesn't seem very chill. 1733 01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:09.000 Old Reygun so high and dry out on Netflix right now, Jim, 1734 01:23:09.079 --> 01:23:11.640 is that your seventh special that you released? 1735 01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:17.279 It's my night ninth, but my seventh in America. 1736 01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:18.760 Okay, gotcha. 1737 01:23:19.159 --> 01:23:23.840 And I'm recording another one in Chicago in about four 1738 01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:26.279 weeks time. That will be released in about four months 1739 01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:27.640 on Netflix. So I got one more in me. 1740 01:23:27.720 --> 01:23:30.760 I think you've got more than one more in you. 1741 01:23:30.760 --> 01:23:33.640 You're forty seven years old. You've got a lot. 1742 01:23:33.560 --> 01:23:33.960 Left in it. 1743 01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:37.199 I never try to look too much further ahead, you see, 1744 01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:39.479 I see. I always think that the last one I'm 1745 01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:40.880 going to do is the last one I'm going to do, 1746 01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:42.399 and then no one's going to want to see me 1747 01:23:42.439 --> 01:23:45.640 again or whatever. So I try to put everything into 1748 01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:48.159 the next special, and then you think you're never going 1749 01:23:48.199 --> 01:23:50.039 to record run again, and then about a year later 1750 01:23:50.079 --> 01:23:52.880 you're like, this material is pretty good. I probably should 1751 01:23:52.880 --> 01:23:55.479 try to record it, but in saying that I'm forty seven, 1752 01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:58.479 I'm going to be my birthday Valentine's Day, so I'll 1753 01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:01.239 probably celebrate it there in Utah. 1754 01:24:01.279 --> 01:24:01.880 Oh wow. 1755 01:24:02.039 --> 01:24:04.039 Okay, Well, if you need somewhere to go, let me know. 1756 01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:07.239 I know all the good spots around here. So seven 1757 01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:11.000 specials here in the US. And of course that's how 1758 01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:14.680 I became familiar with your work. I just actually know 1759 01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:17.119 what before we get to what I was about to 1760 01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:19.640 ask you, what you just said struck me because you know, 1761 01:24:19.640 --> 01:24:22.079 we're sports talk radio show, but I like to branch out. 1762 01:24:22.119 --> 01:24:25.439 And during COVID we had Jeff Schaeffer on the program, 1763 01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:28.159 who's one of the producers of Curb Your Enthusiasm, And 1764 01:24:28.279 --> 01:24:32.399 what you just said, Jim about recording a special and 1765 01:24:32.479 --> 01:24:35.239 then believing this could be your last. I didn't know this, 1766 01:24:35.319 --> 01:24:38.039 but Jeff told us that that's how Larry David was 1767 01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:40.640 at the end of every season of Curb Your Enthusiasm. 1768 01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:43.000 He said, I don't have anything left in me, and 1769 01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:45.640 then took some time off and would record another season. 1770 01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:50.319 Is that approach somewhat commonplace in your industry? 1771 01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:53.319 I think that's a lot easier for Larry David than 1772 01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:56.359 it need for you know, like it all so for 1773 01:24:56.479 --> 01:24:59.479 him to go. I might not have another season. I 1774 01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:02.199 could in me, what is the eighty years old? He 1775 01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:07.000 might not, you know, to look at it like it 1776 01:25:07.079 --> 01:25:08.640 might be the last one. But I think that is 1777 01:25:08.680 --> 01:25:11.560 a common approach. I think it would be terrible to 1778 01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:14.159 brag and just to go I've got ten more specials 1779 01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:16.359 left in me. I'm going to go on forever or whatever, 1780 01:25:16.680 --> 01:25:19.079 you know, if it all ends tomorrow, I'm happy with 1781 01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:21.520 the body of work that I did and it's there 1782 01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:23.600 for people to watch. My sons will get to see 1783 01:25:23.680 --> 01:25:27.119 the specials, you know. So as I said, I just 1784 01:25:27.159 --> 01:25:29.960 try to look one step ahead, you know, one step ahead. 1785 01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:31.439 That way you're never too disappointed. 1786 01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:32.560 Is it possible? 1787 01:25:32.720 --> 01:25:36.039 Because I became familiar with you with Alcoholocaust back in 1788 01:25:36.079 --> 01:25:36.960 twenty ten. 1789 01:25:37.079 --> 01:25:40.159 That's one that's the best special. That's what Alcoholocaust is 1790 01:25:40.159 --> 01:25:42.319 the one I'm most proud of. And no one saw it. It 1791 01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:45.119 was it was shown on a showtime for like three 1792 01:25:45.279 --> 01:25:47.119 or four times, and you have to see it online 1793 01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:49.520 and it's not even on YouTube on my channel. But 1794 01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:51.279 that's my best special with Alcoholocaust. 1795 01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:52.840 Yeah, well you just answer my question. 1796 01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:54.680 Because I was wondering if it was possible for you 1797 01:25:54.760 --> 01:25:57.359 to rank who which you think your best one is, 1798 01:25:57.399 --> 01:26:00.239 And that's the one that I believe, Jim was you 1799 01:26:00.279 --> 01:26:03.079 at your peak. But it feels like and I've seen well, 1800 01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:05.239 I'll just say I've seen all seven of the ones 1801 01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:07.560 you released in America. That's why I thought, you know, 1802 01:26:07.600 --> 01:26:09.479 in the United States, That's why I thought this was 1803 01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:11.920 going to be you know, your your eighth coming up. 1804 01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:15.119 It feels to me that you've and one of the things. 1805 01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:16.680 I love about the craft, and I'm a huge stand 1806 01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:19.920 up comedy fan. We always have stand up comics on 1807 01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:22.600 the show when they're here playing in our market, because 1808 01:26:22.640 --> 01:26:26.159 I think you people fascinate me. The courage that you 1809 01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:28.399 have to do what you do and the fact that 1810 01:26:28.479 --> 01:26:30.520 thousands of people show up to watch you with a 1811 01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:34.680 microphone blows my mind. So from my vantage point, you've 1812 01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:37.560 grown and evolved into a different place today. I don't 1813 01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:39.359 know how much of that is just your your daily 1814 01:26:39.399 --> 01:26:42.159 habits or just getting older. Is that fair to say? 1815 01:26:42.319 --> 01:26:45.159 You know, since that alcoholic cost back in twenty. 1816 01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:50.000 Ten, if I was the same like I was an alcoholicaust, 1817 01:26:50.119 --> 01:26:53.119 I wouldn't be here now. Every day. Yeah. So you know, 1818 01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:57.000 like you talk about evolving, a lot of it's just surviving. 1819 01:26:57.119 --> 01:27:01.399 You know. Like if I think my second best special 1820 01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:04.119 is probably Bare because of the gun control routine, and 1821 01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:08.279 then my third favorite is Intolerant, and that's one that 1822 01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:11.600 maybe rated the lowest out of all of them. But 1823 01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:13.039 I look back on that special and I think that 1824 01:27:13.039 --> 01:27:17.760 one's a banger. Yeah, of course you have to evolve. 1825 01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:20.079 I'm a father, I got two kids. I couldn't talk 1826 01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:22.520 about cocaine and prostitutes for the rest of my life. 1827 01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:26.399 It's just it wouldn't have my wife wouldn't have been 1828 01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:29.600 happy about it, you know. But my audience has evolved 1829 01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:31.880 with me. So when I first started doing comedy, my 1830 01:27:31.920 --> 01:27:33.920 shows to be at ten o'clock at night, and they'd 1831 01:27:33.960 --> 01:27:36.039 be like a late night rock star type of thing, 1832 01:27:36.039 --> 01:27:39.159 and everyone was young, and everyone was wasted in the crowd. 1833 01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:41.279 And now as I go, more people in their forties 1834 01:27:41.319 --> 01:27:43.159 are coming to see me now, and I've moved my 1835 01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:46.640 performance time to seven o'clock because I know that we'll 1836 01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:48.479 all be out of the theater by nine point thirty 1837 01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:50.439 at a reasonable time, and we all can get to 1838 01:27:50.439 --> 01:27:51.079 bed by ten. 1839 01:27:52.439 --> 01:27:54.840 Where do you get the courage to do what you do. 1840 01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:57.159 Where did you find that? Was that something you were 1841 01:27:57.159 --> 01:27:58.960 born with? Was that something you developed? 1842 01:27:58.960 --> 01:27:59.119 You know? 1843 01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:02.079 Louis came often drops the line like, have the courage 1844 01:28:02.079 --> 01:28:03.920 to suck at something until you're grade at it? 1845 01:28:04.279 --> 01:28:06.159 Did you always have it? Jam or is it something 1846 01:28:06.199 --> 01:28:06.800 you developed? 1847 01:28:07.800 --> 01:28:07.840 No? 1848 01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:09.960 I didn't always have it. I did a few open 1849 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.680 mic spots when I was seventeen that went so badly 1850 01:28:12.760 --> 01:28:14.439 that I didn't do it again ntil I was twenty. 1851 01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:16.840 You know, I thought I couldn't do it again, and 1852 01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:19.600 I thought about it every day until I turned twenty 1853 01:28:19.640 --> 01:28:21.840 to do it again. And then for the first year 1854 01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:24.439 from twenty to twenty one, I didn't take the microphone 1855 01:28:24.479 --> 01:28:26.840 out of the stand because my hands would shake too much, 1856 01:28:27.359 --> 01:28:30.560 you know. And then twenty two twenty three, I just 1857 01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:34.199 sort of figured it out. And then I probably had 1858 01:28:34.199 --> 01:28:37.159 more confidence twenty five to thirty than I ever had, 1859 01:28:37.239 --> 01:28:39.880 you know, doing the actual job, because I was just 1860 01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:42.800 fearless at that stage. And now I have to be 1861 01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:45.720 fearless doing the job because I'm so old now that 1862 01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:48.319 I have no other skills. If I don't do this job, 1863 01:28:48.359 --> 01:28:50.840 what do I do? So I better be good at this, 1864 01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:54.199 you know, and I've also learned this to be comfortable 1865 01:28:54.239 --> 01:28:56.560 in my own skin a little bit more. It takes 1866 01:28:56.600 --> 01:28:59.960 sort of fighting a persona more than finding a voice. 1867 01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:02.560 You've done other things, you've acted, you know, you've written, 1868 01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:05.840 you've produced. It seems like a lot of people just 1869 01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:09.079 get that stand up comedy bug and they can't shake it. 1870 01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:11.760 Is stand up your preferred thing juxtaposed to all the 1871 01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:13.159 other things you've done. 1872 01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:15.920 Stand up is what I'm best at. I would like 1873 01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:20.399 to do more acting, but that's not that's not in 1874 01:29:20.439 --> 01:29:23.359 my control, you know. So everyone always goes, are you 1875 01:29:23.399 --> 01:29:25.800 going to do more acting? And that's not saying to somebody, 1876 01:29:26.279 --> 01:29:29.000 are you going to sleep with good looking women? Well, 1877 01:29:29.199 --> 01:29:31.359 it's not my choice, it's theirs, you know what I mean. 1878 01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:34.520 So if someone if someone chose for me to be 1879 01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:36.960 in a movie, that I'll be in a movie, you know, 1880 01:29:37.159 --> 01:29:39.880 But it's not my decision. Where stand up comedy is 1881 01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:42.520 my decision every day. It's my decision to book the 1882 01:29:42.560 --> 01:29:45.079 shows in it's my decision to write you Jokes's my 1883 01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:47.039 decision to get up there and perform. And so I 1884 01:29:47.079 --> 01:29:49.319 love stand up because there's always been there for me. 1885 01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:52.399 If if I've ever needed an outlet, or I've ever 1886 01:29:52.479 --> 01:29:55.159 needed some creativity where I want to get my voice out, 1887 01:29:55.279 --> 01:29:57.680 I can just do it with stand up, with acting 1888 01:29:58.079 --> 01:30:01.199 and anything that deals with TV or production or game 1889 01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:04.319 show hosting or whatever. You're at the mercy of the executives, 1890 01:30:04.359 --> 01:30:06.960 and I'm not the mercy of the executives. We stand up. 1891 01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:11.199 I wonder, and I know that people probably roll their 1892 01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:13.640 eyes when I ask this question. But Jerry Seinfeld talks 1893 01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:16.960 about having a yellow sticky pad by his bed and 1894 01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:18.920 he wakes up and writes a joke based off of 1895 01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:21.439 something he thought of either the night before or a dream. 1896 01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:23.560 What is if you have one? 1897 01:30:24.239 --> 01:30:27.239 Your process when it comes to writing your material. 1898 01:30:28.159 --> 01:30:31.079 Well, I've never written a joke down. I have written 1899 01:30:31.119 --> 01:30:33.079 a word here and there on my phone in the 1900 01:30:33.159 --> 01:30:35.880 note section there's a whole lot of jumbled up words 1901 01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:37.640 from in the middle of the night. You write down 1902 01:30:37.680 --> 01:30:40.199 and the word will help you bounce off to the 1903 01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:42.359 actual joke. But I've never actually written a joke down, 1904 01:30:42.439 --> 01:30:45.000 or I've never actually sat down and thought, now I 1905 01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:47.640 have to write. What I do is I joke around 1906 01:30:47.640 --> 01:30:50.359 with my mates. I find something funny that I've said, 1907 01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:52.680 and then I think, God, there's something in that. Then 1908 01:30:52.720 --> 01:30:56.359 I started on stage thinking it'll be ten and fifteen 1909 01:30:56.439 --> 01:30:59.600 seconds or two minutes or whatever, and then I try 1910 01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:01.960 to expect it as much as possible, so the core 1911 01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:04.439 of the joke starts out at home, and then most 1912 01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:07.159 of the writing actually happens on stage, because it's just 1913 01:31:07.199 --> 01:31:09.359 like when you're riffing in a bar with your friends. 1914 01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:11.720 You know, oh, I can top that joke with this 1915 01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:13.479 line and that line in this line and that line 1916 01:31:13.520 --> 01:31:16.600 and get the audience rolling. And so something that might 1917 01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:19.960 be two minutes sometimes you can expand that into a 1918 01:31:19.960 --> 01:31:22.680 twenty minute routine, so you never know where it's going 1919 01:31:22.760 --> 01:31:25.159 to go. I always feel like a new joke is 1920 01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:27.520 like a chooser Own Adventure book, where you start off 1921 01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:29.279 on this page and then you go, oh, jump out, 1922 01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:32.159 I've got an idea for a joke on this other 1923 01:31:32.239 --> 01:31:34.319 topic that's related to it, and then it becomes an 1924 01:31:34.359 --> 01:31:36.840 actual thing with its own momentum. I know that sounds 1925 01:31:36.920 --> 01:31:39.600 very portentious, but yeah, I do most of my writing 1926 01:31:39.640 --> 01:31:40.239 on stage. 1927 01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:42.760 No, it's really fascinating. I've never heard that before. 1928 01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:45.039 I think I heard Chris Rock once upon a time 1929 01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:48.279 say he tours for four years and wants to get 1930 01:31:48.640 --> 01:31:51.119 something like two hundred shows under his belt before he 1931 01:31:51.199 --> 01:31:54.119 knows the special is ready. What about you, Jim, how 1932 01:31:54.159 --> 01:31:56.399 long do you tour before you know, Okay, this is 1933 01:31:56.439 --> 01:31:58.359 a special. I'm ready to do this for an hour 1934 01:31:58.479 --> 01:32:00.560 or whatever, one. 1935 01:32:00.479 --> 01:32:05.159 Year, one year. But then sometimes, look, I always just 1936 01:32:05.199 --> 01:32:08.039 put my best hour of jokes out. It doesn't matter 1937 01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:10.159 if I've written the joke a year ago or if 1938 01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:12.319 I've written it a week ago. If I've written a 1939 01:32:12.399 --> 01:32:14.920 week ago and it's storming it gets into the special, 1940 01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:17.520 I just burn it straight away, because the special is 1941 01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:21.119 the most important thing I worry about Tomorrow. I worry 1942 01:32:21.119 --> 01:32:23.880 about tomorrow, tomorrow, you know what I mean. The specials 1943 01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:26.079 are such like, in this moment, this is the best 1944 01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:28.720 I have to offer, So I really leave it all 1945 01:32:28.720 --> 01:32:31.920 out there, and then I give myself a little bit 1946 01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:34.640 of space afterwards to write a new show. Or I 1947 01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:36.800 have twenty minutes that I sort of like that isn't 1948 01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:39.520 quite ready, and I try to build around that. The 1949 01:32:39.560 --> 01:32:42.680 most stressful time in any comedian's life is the day 1950 01:32:42.720 --> 01:32:44.880 after a special comes out and you walk on stage. 1951 01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:50.399 That's a hell of a day and you just smile 1952 01:32:50.520 --> 01:32:52.520 through the whole thing and hope everything goes well. But 1953 01:32:52.640 --> 01:32:56.000 often those shows go great because people can feel the 1954 01:32:57.520 --> 01:33:01.239 creativity going on. All the spontane is in the moment stuff. 1955 01:33:01.279 --> 01:33:04.479 Sometimes you can have jokes and you're doing for too 1956 01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:08.159 long and you lose the lose the life behind your 1957 01:33:08.199 --> 01:33:09.800 eyes when you tell a joke. You don't want to 1958 01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:12.079 let it sit there for too long. There's like wine, 1959 01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:14.039 there's a year you're meant to open that bottle. 1960 01:33:14.920 --> 01:33:17.439 When did you and how did you get the bug? 1961 01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:20.439 Did you see somebody perform and said I want to 1962 01:33:20.479 --> 01:33:22.960 do that or did you have a favorite comic growing up? 1963 01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:24.640 What what hooked you to this craft? 1964 01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:26.640 Jim Well, Eddie. 1965 01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:28.680 Murphy When I was a kid, see I never I 1966 01:33:28.760 --> 01:33:31.520 never got to see like George carl And or Richard 1967 01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:33.319 prior to stand up because in Australia we didn't have 1968 01:33:33.479 --> 01:33:35.680 HBO and we didn't have stand up specials. You know, 1969 01:33:36.119 --> 01:33:39.800 we had like occasionally you'd have an American on British 1970 01:33:39.840 --> 01:33:41.960 comic who came out to Australia and they did five 1971 01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:44.000 minutes on our late night show. But I never saw 1972 01:33:44.039 --> 01:33:46.239 anyone do stand up to more than five minutes on 1973 01:33:46.279 --> 01:33:50.000 TV as a kid, and that except for Eddie Murphy's 1974 01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:53.760 Delirious and Eddie Murphy's Raw because they were cinematic releases 1975 01:33:53.800 --> 01:33:56.079 so you could get them at the video store. So 1976 01:33:56.439 --> 01:33:59.880 I rented out Delirious. I got my brother to run 1977 01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:02.479 at Delirious for me so many times because he was 1978 01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:04.560 of age, and I watched it over and over and 1979 01:34:04.600 --> 01:34:06.680 over and over and over again. And that was the 1980 01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:09.439 comic I wanted to be, was Eddie Murphy telling stories 1981 01:34:09.479 --> 01:34:12.520 about his childhood and you know all that type of stuff. 1982 01:34:13.279 --> 01:34:15.800 So Eddie Murphy was my favorite. But I always say 1983 01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:18.000 to people who want to get into comedy, don't go 1984 01:34:18.119 --> 01:34:20.520 see a big theater act. Go down to comedy clubs 1985 01:34:20.560 --> 01:34:23.359 where you might see someone who's really bad. No one 1986 01:34:23.439 --> 01:34:25.920 gives you more confidence in stand up than someone who's 1987 01:34:25.960 --> 01:34:30.560 really bad at it. So that's that's the moment where 1988 01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:32.000 you actually watch it, you go, well, I can do 1989 01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:34.000 better than that guy, you know what I mean. So 1990 01:34:34.359 --> 01:34:36.760 luckily for me, stand up comedy in the in the 1991 01:34:36.880 --> 01:34:40.359 nineties in Australia was pretty weak and well, there were 1992 01:34:40.439 --> 01:34:42.560 some very good comics, but there was a lot of 1993 01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:44.880 weak ones out there, and I saw some people that 1994 01:34:44.920 --> 01:34:46.159 I thought I might be better than. 1995 01:34:46.680 --> 01:34:49.920 Well, you're a heavyweight now Jim, do you ever get 1996 01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:53.720 over a joke bombing on stage? Because I've seen thousands 1997 01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:57.119 of stand up shows and I worked in LA for 1998 01:34:57.119 --> 01:34:58.560 a year, so I used to go to the store 1999 01:34:58.640 --> 01:35:01.119 after I was done recording my stuff, And so to 2000 01:35:01.159 --> 01:35:03.439 your point, I saw a lot of people work shopping material. 2001 01:35:03.479 --> 01:35:07.920 And it's painful as an audience member when a comic 2002 01:35:08.119 --> 01:35:10.560 tries a joke that just falls on deaf ears. Do 2003 01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:12.960 you ever get over that or is it something that's 2004 01:35:12.960 --> 01:35:13.920 always in the back of your mind. 2005 01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:19.920 Immediately in the early days, I didn't, But it's like 2006 01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:22.760 any drug, right, the highs get lower and the lows 2007 01:35:22.760 --> 01:35:25.760 get higher. You know, it's very hard to chase that 2008 01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:28.800 buzz over and over again. So in the same way 2009 01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:31.000 that I can have a standing ovation at the end 2010 01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:33.600 of the gig and go oh, I did okay, right, 2011 01:35:33.800 --> 01:35:36.119 but early on in my career I would have just 2012 01:35:36.319 --> 01:35:38.359 been as arrogant as anything. I would have been thinking 2013 01:35:38.359 --> 01:35:41.079 about how cool I was for days and days afterwards. 2014 01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:43.680 But the flip side of that is if I bombed, 2015 01:35:44.119 --> 01:35:46.840 I went into a fitter depression. I just laid in 2016 01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:49.159 bed until I had to go back on stage again, 2017 01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:50.960 until I had to go to whatever job I was 2018 01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:54.479 doing to pay the bills, but my self worth was 2019 01:35:54.640 --> 01:35:57.680 very tied in with how good I was at stand 2020 01:35:57.760 --> 01:36:00.640 up comedy. And as you get older, you have more 2021 01:36:00.680 --> 01:36:03.119 and more good shows and more and more bad shows. 2022 01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:06.279 More importantly, the bad shows don't bother you anymore, because 2023 01:36:06.439 --> 01:36:08.319 I'm confident enough to know that a good show is 2024 01:36:08.359 --> 01:36:12.319 just around the corner, you know. So sometimes I'll be 2025 01:36:12.359 --> 01:36:14.479 angry with the audience because I think, well, that was 2026 01:36:14.520 --> 01:36:16.520 a good joke, and I've done that joke in other 2027 01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:18.399 places and it's gone well, and why didn't it go 2028 01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:21.640 well for you? And then sometimes I'm most of the time, 2029 01:36:21.680 --> 01:36:23.720 I'm angry with myself when the gig doesn't go well 2030 01:36:23.760 --> 01:36:26.399 because I think, yeah, I could have I wasn't putting 2031 01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:28.560 quite enough effort in, or I didn't get enough sleep 2032 01:36:28.680 --> 01:36:31.000 or something like that, you know. So it's a bit 2033 01:36:31.399 --> 01:36:33.479 of blame game going on, but I don't let it 2034 01:36:33.479 --> 01:36:34.399 bother me for too long. 2035 01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:36.760 When did you know you were good at this? When 2036 01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:38.159 did you know? When you know? 2037 01:36:38.239 --> 01:36:40.880 When you walked out on stage you thought, Okay, I've 2038 01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:42.039 got this, I'm good at this. 2039 01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:43.239 Now. How long did that take? 2040 01:36:45.319 --> 01:36:45.800 It took? 2041 01:36:47.640 --> 01:36:50.479 It took me four years of doing it to think 2042 01:36:50.560 --> 01:36:54.439 that I was a good comic. And then at about 2043 01:36:54.560 --> 01:36:59.640 six years I started to believe that, you know, not 2044 01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:03.000 that I was great comic, but I believe that there 2045 01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:06.479 was no comic on earth that I was scared of following, 2046 01:37:07.439 --> 01:37:09.319 you know. And that was the last hurdle. That was 2047 01:37:09.359 --> 01:37:11.880 the last sort of Jedi master thing where you're like, 2048 01:37:12.359 --> 01:37:14.560 because there's always a comic where you go, oh, I 2049 01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:16.960 can't go on after that person. That person's too good 2050 01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:18.920 and the audience will know how shit I am or 2051 01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:22.359 whatever you know. I mean, sorry swing there. But then 2052 01:37:22.399 --> 01:37:24.279 there was a moment where I was like, no, I'm 2053 01:37:24.319 --> 01:37:26.119 not scared. I can go on a bill with anybody 2054 01:37:26.119 --> 01:37:28.960 in the world. And I still believe that to this day. 2055 01:37:29.720 --> 01:37:31.359 And so I think that must be the same as 2056 01:37:31.359 --> 01:37:33.680 like an athlete or something. When you start, you know, 2057 01:37:33.760 --> 01:37:36.119 playing in the G League, you think you're a pretty 2058 01:37:36.159 --> 01:37:38.119 good basketball player, but then when you're smashing it in 2059 01:37:38.159 --> 01:37:40.239 the NBA, you think, all right, I must be good. 2060 01:37:40.239 --> 01:37:40.439 Now. 2061 01:37:41.039 --> 01:37:43.079 I know you reference some of the comics you liked 2062 01:37:43.119 --> 01:37:45.680 when you were growing up. Who in the game right 2063 01:37:45.720 --> 01:37:48.920 now do you enjoy, Like when you see they've released 2064 01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:50.079 a special Aura pod. 2065 01:37:51.520 --> 01:37:55.840 I think Anthony jesselnext last special was very good. I 2066 01:37:55.840 --> 01:37:58.279 think the best special day that I've seen in the 2067 01:37:58.359 --> 01:38:02.840 last decade, and it's only thirty minutes long, is Earthquake. 2068 01:38:03.399 --> 01:38:06.119 Well on Netflix, he released a thirty minutes special that 2069 01:38:06.199 --> 01:38:09.800 was presented by Dave Chappelle, and I was proper laughing 2070 01:38:09.840 --> 01:38:12.920 at home howling. I thought that was really you know what, 2071 01:38:13.640 --> 01:38:16.760 It made me enthusiastic about stand up. I love that 2072 01:38:16.840 --> 01:38:19.319 he went out there and the jokes were punch punch, punch, 2073 01:38:19.399 --> 01:38:21.640 lunch punch. It was just like being beaten up with jokes. 2074 01:38:21.680 --> 01:38:23.720 They never ended. At the end of thirty minutes, I 2075 01:38:23.720 --> 01:38:26.199 had to get my breath and I was like, you know, 2076 01:38:26.880 --> 01:38:31.359 I can't do that. I linger on a joke too long. 2077 01:38:31.479 --> 01:38:33.239 You know, there'd be a lot more air. It's a 2078 01:38:33.239 --> 01:38:35.880 different style of comedy. But I really enjoyed his special. 2079 01:38:35.960 --> 01:38:39.560 Yeah, it feels like there's this boom of stand up 2080 01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:42.760 comedy now is Do you feel like that's podcast? 2081 01:38:42.840 --> 01:38:44.319 Do you feel like that's social media? 2082 01:38:44.960 --> 01:38:45.119 Why? 2083 01:38:45.199 --> 01:38:46.880 Why do you feel like there's been kind of this 2084 01:38:47.000 --> 01:38:49.880 stand up comedy boom where so many stand ups are 2085 01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:51.079 making good money now. 2086 01:38:52.560 --> 01:38:54.680 Well, I was a little bit before the boom. You 2087 01:38:54.680 --> 01:38:57.680 know I'm not. You know, my sort of peak ticket 2088 01:38:57.720 --> 01:39:01.520 sales are maybe six years ago something like that, when 2089 01:39:01.560 --> 01:39:04.920 there wasn't really arenas. Now people are doing arenas. I 2090 01:39:04.960 --> 01:39:08.640 think we have. I think it's both good and bad. 2091 01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:12.560 I've done a few arenas. I've probably done fifteen twenty 2092 01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:15.880 arena shows in my whole career, and they always go okay, 2093 01:39:15.920 --> 01:39:18.720 but they're never as nice as about a three thousand 2094 01:39:18.800 --> 01:39:21.760 sext theater that's really comedy at its peak, where the 2095 01:39:21.800 --> 01:39:25.960 audience still has a connection to the comedian and you 2096 01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:27.880 still feel like you're talking to a room full of 2097 01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:30.319 people and not just delivering material like you're on a 2098 01:39:30.319 --> 01:39:36.640 big screen. So I think I think these arena comics 2099 01:39:36.640 --> 01:39:39.039 are good for comedy because they're bringing in a lot 2100 01:39:39.039 --> 01:39:42.119 of new fans to comedy who probably haven't seen other shows. 2101 01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:46.279 But I think people will get tired of the arena 2102 01:39:46.319 --> 01:39:49.439 shows and enjoying Once you've seen a comic once in 2103 01:39:49.439 --> 01:39:51.359 an arena, I don't think you've see them twice in arena. 2104 01:39:51.359 --> 01:39:53.279 I think you catch them the next time when they're 2105 01:39:53.279 --> 01:39:55.600 in the three thousand seeder. But maybe I'm wrong. 2106 01:39:56.239 --> 01:39:58.640 No, I feel like you're correct, because it's much better 2107 01:39:58.640 --> 01:40:01.760 to watch stand up. In my opinion, in the smaller, 2108 01:40:02.039 --> 01:40:05.800 more intimate venues, you're kind of you know, intimated there 2109 01:40:06.159 --> 01:40:07.119 before I say you loose. 2110 01:40:07.159 --> 01:40:08.079 Well, a lot of people. 2111 01:40:07.960 --> 01:40:11.840 Reported comedy specials and they did it like Madison Square Garden. 2112 01:40:12.199 --> 01:40:15.000 I always put my comedy specials in a thousand seater 2113 01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:17.640 because I feel it's the most connected to the audience 2114 01:40:17.680 --> 01:40:19.520 you can get, and that's the best sort of gig 2115 01:40:19.520 --> 01:40:21.560 you can have with the cameras all in close. And 2116 01:40:21.600 --> 01:40:23.119 I told you that I don't like the idea of 2117 01:40:23.159 --> 01:40:25.279 a comedy club because I like a big stage to 2118 01:40:25.319 --> 01:40:28.239 move around on. But I think for the specials, I 2119 01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:30.840 always go to a smaller room because I think it's 2120 01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:33.319 a better product to actually see on TV. Because the 2121 01:40:33.359 --> 01:40:36.119 people watching a special on TV, they don't give a 2122 01:40:36.119 --> 01:40:39.640 crap if you're in Madison Square Garden or you're filling 2123 01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:42.800 a baseball stadium or whatever. They don't care about that. 2124 01:40:42.840 --> 01:40:46.079 They just want to see the material. So for the specials, 2125 01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:48.520 you're really performing at the people at home, not the 2126 01:40:48.520 --> 01:40:50.720 people in the arena. I think it's just people trying 2127 01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:52.560 to show up a little bit. Look at how many 2128 01:40:52.560 --> 01:40:55.199 tickets I've sold, you know, And it is impressive, of course, 2129 01:40:55.279 --> 01:40:57.319 but I don't know if it's the best thing to 2130 01:40:57.319 --> 01:40:58.479 watch on Telly. 2131 01:40:58.560 --> 01:40:59.640 Before I say you lose. 2132 01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:02.000 One of the things that I always like about going 2133 01:41:02.199 --> 01:41:04.439 excuse me to see stand up comics that have had 2134 01:41:04.479 --> 01:41:08.720 great success like you, is the knowledge And Jim, if 2135 01:41:08.720 --> 01:41:10.399 you don't have anything here, I get it because you're 2136 01:41:10.399 --> 01:41:12.600 not coming to salt Lake until February the thirteenth. But 2137 01:41:12.640 --> 01:41:16.840 I always enjoy a humorous mirror to look at about 2138 01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:18.439 our state or city. 2139 01:41:18.840 --> 01:41:21.199 What do you know about salt Lake? 2140 01:41:21.239 --> 01:41:25.680 We are we are a very interesting, interesting market, Jen, 2141 01:41:25.760 --> 01:41:26.359 to say the least. 2142 01:41:26.399 --> 01:41:28.439 What are you familiar with salt Lake? What do you 2143 01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:28.960 know about it? 2144 01:41:29.880 --> 01:41:34.279 I came to the I went to the Sundane's Movie 2145 01:41:34.359 --> 01:41:37.239 Festival once, and I think I've done one other gig 2146 01:41:37.279 --> 01:41:41.079 in Salt Lake. I look back when I back when 2147 01:41:41.079 --> 01:41:43.000 I was a drinker, I thought your place was a 2148 01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:46.560 bit silly, you know, But now that I'm sober, it 2149 01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:49.800 might be my utopia. But I'm also not a big 2150 01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:52.920 fan of anyone who lived not anyone. I could never 2151 01:41:52.960 --> 01:41:55.479 live in the cold, you know, if you have to, 2152 01:41:55.640 --> 01:41:57.319 if you have to get out of your driveway with 2153 01:41:57.359 --> 01:41:59.840 a shovel, why would anyone want to do that. I 2154 01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:01.960 drow up in Australia and I live in La so 2155 01:42:02.119 --> 01:42:04.600 I don't know if I do have a lot to 2156 01:42:04.640 --> 01:42:07.199 tell you. I've never speed in me life, but what 2157 01:42:07.239 --> 01:42:10.079 I do do is with places like Salt Lake, I 2158 01:42:10.119 --> 01:42:12.520 always come in the night before and you normally get 2159 01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:16.239 the story you get from the night before is whoever 2160 01:42:16.319 --> 01:42:18.920 drove you from the airport and whoever worked at reception 2161 01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:21.840 in the bar at the hotel. That's my reference point 2162 01:42:21.880 --> 01:42:24.319 for each city. So if you've got two nice people 2163 01:42:24.359 --> 01:42:26.399 doing that, I reckon your city is great. And if 2164 01:42:26.399 --> 01:42:27.800 you don't, I'm going to rip into. 2165 01:42:27.680 --> 01:42:31.119 You fair enough. I think you'll experience only nice people here. Jim, 2166 01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:33.760 but it's the Son of the Carpenter, will Son of 2167 01:42:33.800 --> 01:42:36.439 the Carpenter Tour February thirteenth at that Echo Center. 2168 01:42:36.520 --> 01:42:38.760 Jim, where do you want people go to get their tickets? 2169 01:42:39.399 --> 01:42:41.960 Go to Jim Jeffrees dot com and you'll just be 2170 01:42:41.960 --> 01:42:43.279 able to click on a link there. It's on the 2171 01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:44.800 front of the page that I have all my two 2172 01:42:44.840 --> 01:42:45.199 of dates. 2173 01:42:46.399 --> 01:42:48.239 Thank you, sir, this has been a pleasure. 2174 01:42:48.239 --> 01:42:50.159 I've been a fan for a long long time and 2175 01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:51.640 I'm going to be there at the Echos Theater. 2176 01:42:51.720 --> 01:42:54.720 I cannot wait. So be safe and continue the great work. 2177 01:42:54.720 --> 01:42:58.880 Okaye, make sure you come backstage and say hi afterwards. 2178 01:42:59.279 --> 01:43:02.000 Oh happy to do it. That would be it would 2179 01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:03.840 be an honor, Jim. So I appreciate that. Thank you 2180 01:43:03.960 --> 01:43:04.319 very much. 2181 01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:07.079 I appreciate you, brother, Thanks for having me. 2182 01:43:07.119 --> 01:43:09.680 All right. Jim Jefferies out of a carpenter tour right now. 2183 01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:12.239 Looks like he's going to be in Spoke Can coming 2184 01:43:12.319 --> 01:43:14.840 up in Denver for a couple of dates. He'll be 2185 01:43:14.880 --> 01:43:17.840 here February the thirteenth at the Echo Center. He has 2186 01:43:17.920 --> 01:43:20.560 his special right now on Netflix called High and Dry. 2187 01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:24.439 The best special in my opinion, the Jim released was 2188 01:43:24.439 --> 01:43:25.359 in twenty ten. 2189 01:43:25.399 --> 01:43:26.840 It was called Alcoholocaust. 2190 01:43:27.399 --> 01:43:30.039 He's got a great bit on gun control. He has 2191 01:43:30.560 --> 01:43:34.119 recorded ten specials. He's gonna record one in Chicago and 2192 01:43:34.239 --> 01:43:36.359 so yeah, excited for that. I'll be there and maybe 2193 01:43:36.359 --> 01:43:39.159 I'll be backstage apparently, which is awesome. Special thanks to 2194 01:43:39.359 --> 01:43:40.239 Jim Jefferies. 2195 01:43:41.439 --> 01:43:43.479 How about that, man? That was fun. 2196 01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:46.159 I've been a fan of Jim's for like fifteen years. 2197 01:43:46.199 --> 01:43:49.279 I watched all of his specials, and I gotta be honest, 2198 01:43:49.319 --> 01:43:51.800 if you watch Jim Jeffries stand up specials. He comes 2199 01:43:51.840 --> 01:43:55.760 across as kind of a grumpy guy, maybe somebody who's 2200 01:43:55.800 --> 01:43:58.439 not all that front, a facne and very kind. 2201 01:43:58.520 --> 01:43:58.840 He was. 2202 01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:00.960 He was great, he was. I was a little bit 2203 01:44:00.960 --> 01:44:03.880 taken back. He's I'm gonna go with direct. 2204 01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:05.960 I'm gonna go with direct because maybe I'm a little 2205 01:44:07.159 --> 01:44:09.520 nihilist myself. So I kind of I'm with him on 2206 01:44:09.560 --> 01:44:11.800 a lot of it. But it is, uh, it is. 2207 01:44:12.279 --> 01:44:13.359 You're on the right track there. 2208 01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:15.319 Did you just compare yourself to Jim Jefferies. 2209 01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:20.399 I'm not nearly as funny, but I am maybe as nihilist. 2210 01:44:20.560 --> 01:44:22.760 I guess does that work? Maybe you're the Jim Jefferies 2211 01:44:22.800 --> 01:44:24.800 of Sportstoc Radio. I don't know about that. 2212 01:44:25.079 --> 01:44:27.760 Jim will be in town February thirteenth Eckles Theater for 2213 01:44:27.880 --> 01:44:30.239 his tour. Go to Jim Jefferies dot com for tickets. 2214 01:44:30.880 --> 01:44:33.960 Joining us now another comic powerhouse, A very funny guy 2215 01:44:34.039 --> 01:44:35.600 mostly known for his football acumen. 2216 01:44:35.640 --> 01:44:35.800 Though. 2217 01:44:35.840 --> 01:44:38.800 Mike Sanford Junior back on the show on a Tuesday, Mike, 2218 01:44:38.840 --> 01:44:39.560 Happy Tuesday. 2219 01:44:39.560 --> 01:44:39.920 How are you? 2220 01:44:41.000 --> 01:44:43.960 They're awesome? I'm learning all kinds of stuff. The music 2221 01:44:44.039 --> 01:44:46.199 you guys had coming in and Jim Jefferies. I mean, 2222 01:44:46.239 --> 01:44:48.439 I feel like I'm in an alternate universe. I need 2223 01:44:48.439 --> 01:44:51.600 to get with the times. Well, we've learned some pop 2224 01:44:51.600 --> 01:44:52.199 culture in me. 2225 01:44:52.680 --> 01:44:55.159 Well, you're you're a football guy. Football guys don't have 2226 01:44:55.239 --> 01:44:57.560 pop culture knowledge. You know that because of all you 2227 01:44:57.600 --> 01:45:00.239 care about is football, Which is good because I have 2228 01:45:00.319 --> 01:45:02.199 a lot that I want to talk to you about today, Mike. 2229 01:45:02.199 --> 01:45:03.079 I appreciate the time. 2230 01:45:03.119 --> 01:45:06.680 Obviously we have a national champ, it is Ohio State. 2231 01:45:07.760 --> 01:45:10.079 You have coaching experience, So I wanted to ask you 2232 01:45:10.159 --> 01:45:12.119 right out of the gates, what do you make of 2233 01:45:12.159 --> 01:45:14.960 this wild ride the Ryan Day has been on for 2234 01:45:15.079 --> 01:45:19.000 somebody that's been as successful as almost anyone who's ever 2235 01:45:19.119 --> 01:45:22.359 done this job. Noise around him as little as like 2236 01:45:22.479 --> 01:45:24.840 three or four weeks ago that he might be fired 2237 01:45:24.880 --> 01:45:26.640 if he doesn't, you know, at least go to the 2238 01:45:26.720 --> 01:45:29.079 championship game. But here he is the top of the mountain. 2239 01:45:29.399 --> 01:45:31.560 What do you make of this Ryan Day storyline and 2240 01:45:31.600 --> 01:45:32.399 the ride he's been on. 2241 01:45:33.239 --> 01:45:35.840 Well, I as a guy that grew up as a 2242 01:45:35.880 --> 01:45:38.359 son of a coach and then also coached for eighteen 2243 01:45:38.520 --> 01:45:42.319 twenty years myself having been a head coach. Certainly the 2244 01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:45.159 offensive coordinator position is a job that I occupied for 2245 01:45:45.239 --> 01:45:48.600 almost a decade, and that one's highly scrutinized, and you're 2246 01:45:48.640 --> 01:45:53.479 always under pressure to perform and to outperform, frankly, expectations 2247 01:45:53.520 --> 01:45:57.399 every single year and even every single game. And you know, 2248 01:45:57.479 --> 01:46:00.479 the more and more I've watched Ryan Day and even 2249 01:46:00.520 --> 01:46:02.640 my wife who has a great read on people, and 2250 01:46:02.760 --> 01:46:05.359 you know, just seeing what what he's made of watching 2251 01:46:05.520 --> 01:46:09.199 you know, interviews after losses, interviews after wins. He's a 2252 01:46:09.239 --> 01:46:12.000 pretty likable dude, like if you if you really break 2253 01:46:12.039 --> 01:46:16.319 it down, he's he's never overly arrogant when they're winning, 2254 01:46:17.279 --> 01:46:21.039 you know. He he's never want to make excuses for 2255 01:46:21.159 --> 01:46:24.119 not beating Michigan, which has obviously been the biggest problem. 2256 01:46:24.880 --> 01:46:27.239 I think he's a guy that is, frankly, in the 2257 01:46:27.279 --> 01:46:30.079 coaching profession. He's become somebody easy. 2258 01:46:29.880 --> 01:46:32.159 To root for for me, and there's a there's a 2259 01:46:32.159 --> 01:46:34.640 lot of these head coaches I've worked for for a few, 2260 01:46:34.640 --> 01:46:38.079 to be really honest, that love to control the narrative, 2261 01:46:38.199 --> 01:46:41.199 love to get into the spin zone at head coach 2262 01:46:41.239 --> 01:46:46.199 and do everything in their power to deflect blame, you know, 2263 01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:50.359 and and put it on two players or to coordinators. 2264 01:46:50.720 --> 01:46:52.239 I just think Ryan Days has done a really good 2265 01:46:52.319 --> 01:46:55.199 job as a coach, and I've been really impressed with them, 2266 01:46:55.199 --> 01:46:57.960 and so I think that this is a testament and 2267 01:46:58.039 --> 01:46:59.720 I think the real m VP and all of this 2268 01:46:59.800 --> 01:47:02.119 is that actually, my former athletic director when I was 2269 01:47:02.119 --> 01:47:05.479 an assistant coach at Western Kentucky is ross by Yorick 2270 01:47:06.199 --> 01:47:09.520 for him to stand up boldly and really put his 2271 01:47:09.640 --> 01:47:12.119 chest out and neck out on the line a little 2272 01:47:12.119 --> 01:47:15.000 bit saying that this is my head coach, regardless of 2273 01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:17.239 how things play out. And I think that goes a 2274 01:47:17.239 --> 01:47:19.359 long way. And I think a lot of athletic directors 2275 01:47:19.359 --> 01:47:21.359 and frankly, a lot of head coaches in this industry 2276 01:47:21.439 --> 01:47:24.479 right now that are just towering to pressure could learn 2277 01:47:24.520 --> 01:47:27.279 a little something about standing up for their people instead 2278 01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:29.760 of just you know, hiding and ducking. There's a lot 2279 01:47:29.800 --> 01:47:32.039 of cowardice in this industry. And I think that the 2280 01:47:32.079 --> 01:47:35.039 Ohio State story of this year from athletic director to 2281 01:47:35.119 --> 01:47:39.239 Ryan Day was actually a story of standing up for 2282 01:47:39.359 --> 01:47:41.760 people during a tough time in the time of diversity, 2283 01:47:41.760 --> 01:47:43.520 which was frankly, just losing to Michigan. 2284 01:47:43.840 --> 01:47:44.319 That was it. 2285 01:47:44.439 --> 01:47:47.920 That was There's one game that really persuaded this thing 2286 01:47:48.079 --> 01:47:49.319 and almost put it off the rails. 2287 01:47:49.800 --> 01:47:51.319 Can you give us a little bit of a frame 2288 01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:53.920 of reference, because I don't know that there are very 2289 01:47:53.920 --> 01:47:56.399 many fan bases that would want their coach to be 2290 01:47:56.479 --> 01:47:59.319 out who's finished in the top ten every single year 2291 01:47:59.800 --> 01:48:03.560 and has won a tremendous percentage of his game and 2292 01:48:03.720 --> 01:48:05.840 games and more often than not is in the mix 2293 01:48:06.279 --> 01:48:09.000 to win something special every single season. I mean, he 2294 01:48:09.039 --> 01:48:11.680 has a better winning percentage than Jim Trestley, has a 2295 01:48:11.680 --> 01:48:13.600 better S and P than Urban Meyer, and he's one 2296 01:48:13.680 --> 01:48:16.079 of three coaches win a national championship. Now in the 2297 01:48:16.079 --> 01:48:19.399 fifth coach in Ohio state history, he won a national championship. 2298 01:48:19.439 --> 01:48:21.880 What is it about a fan base like that that 2299 01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:25.479 has expectations that seem Mike to be so out of whack? 2300 01:48:27.039 --> 01:48:28.560 Well, I would say, you know, just put it in 2301 01:48:28.560 --> 01:48:31.760 a local context, and and I just imagine if Witt, 2302 01:48:32.239 --> 01:48:35.720 you know, was was the perennial you know, eleven twelve 2303 01:48:35.760 --> 01:48:39.680 win season every single year for a decade, or saying 2304 01:48:39.880 --> 01:48:41.720 in you know, in the case of Ryan Day six 2305 01:48:41.800 --> 01:48:46.199 seven years but lost five straight years to the team 2306 01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:48.960 down south, to the team in Provo. I mean, that's 2307 01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:51.399 a real thing. And that's a real that's a that's 2308 01:48:51.439 --> 01:48:55.079 a real hated, bitter rivalry that that your fan base 2309 01:48:55.640 --> 01:48:59.600 sometimes maybe puts even above the overall success of the season. 2310 01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:02.520 And you know, I think as a result of some 2311 01:49:02.720 --> 01:49:06.840 conference changing and you know, the you know, the Mount 2312 01:49:06.960 --> 01:49:10.560 West and dissolving and then it was independent for BYU 2313 01:49:10.600 --> 01:49:13.359 and Pac twelve for Utah, you didn't really have that 2314 01:49:13.399 --> 01:49:16.760 as a as a consistent storyline every single year. Now 2315 01:49:16.760 --> 01:49:18.760 it's going to start entering back into the conversation with 2316 01:49:18.800 --> 01:49:22.000 the Big twelve. But I mean, you've got to start 2317 01:49:22.039 --> 01:49:25.199 Those types of things really do matter, especially in football 2318 01:49:25.239 --> 01:49:29.399 crazed places that have really high expectations. But those expectations 2319 01:49:29.439 --> 01:49:32.079 sometimes are the one game means maybe more than all 2320 01:49:32.159 --> 01:49:34.960 of them. And if you're if you have a trend 2321 01:49:35.000 --> 01:49:38.560 that is so consistent where you just cannot beat that 2322 01:49:38.720 --> 01:49:42.880 team and even when that team's not good, that's a problem. 2323 01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:45.359 That's a that's a major problem for a head coach 2324 01:49:45.399 --> 01:49:48.079 to overcome. And I think people that are that are 2325 01:49:48.119 --> 01:49:50.039 listening right now that are Utah fans, or even if 2326 01:49:50.079 --> 01:49:53.119 you're a BYU fan and say Kiwane's ripping off twelve 2327 01:49:53.159 --> 01:49:56.079 thirteen wins every year you know, including the college football 2328 01:49:56.079 --> 01:49:58.159 playoffs and the Big Twelve Championship, but just can't beat 2329 01:49:58.279 --> 01:50:01.479 Utah five years in a row, three four, five years 2330 01:50:01.520 --> 01:50:04.479 in a row. That becomes an issue in a place 2331 01:50:04.520 --> 01:50:06.560 that really does care about a robbery game, like I 2332 01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:08.640 do know that Yu and Utah, I do care about you. 2333 01:50:08.680 --> 01:50:11.920 Hear a lot of docking heads like myself, media types 2334 01:50:11.960 --> 01:50:15.359 say like, oh, that Michigan loss was exactly what they needed. 2335 01:50:15.840 --> 01:50:16.920 Any meat on that bone. 2336 01:50:16.960 --> 01:50:19.000 I mean, as a guy that coaches that like a 2337 01:50:19.039 --> 01:50:21.159 wake I mean, look, the results are what they are, 2338 01:50:21.199 --> 01:50:24.439 and when we all diagnose and play Monday morning quarterback, 2339 01:50:24.479 --> 01:50:26.439 it's easy to create a narrative like that. But is 2340 01:50:26.439 --> 01:50:28.000 that a real thing in a locker room, like you 2341 01:50:28.039 --> 01:50:29.720 feel like maybe you needed a wake up call. 2342 01:50:30.840 --> 01:50:34.479 I don't think it was from the perspective of motivation 2343 01:50:34.960 --> 01:50:38.239 or they're over like they were over confident. I just 2344 01:50:38.239 --> 01:50:40.960 didn't think it was really freed up and almost forced 2345 01:50:41.479 --> 01:50:44.479 Ryan Day and Chip Kelly to get out of a 2346 01:50:44.520 --> 01:50:48.319 little bit of this Big ten West football style of playing, 2347 01:50:48.319 --> 01:50:50.880 which is just do everything in your power not to 2348 01:50:51.039 --> 01:50:52.960 lose a game, which is how they lost that game 2349 01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:55.319 to Michigan. I don't if you remember that game in particular, 2350 01:50:55.439 --> 01:50:58.279 it was as risk averse of a game plan as 2351 01:50:58.279 --> 01:51:00.439 that you will ever see. It was almost as if 2352 01:51:00.479 --> 01:51:04.880 Will Howard was a was a quarterback that had leprosy 2353 01:51:04.960 --> 01:51:07.800 and they didn't want him to use his his gifts 2354 01:51:07.800 --> 01:51:10.720 as a throat as a passer because he he he 2355 01:51:10.760 --> 01:51:15.000 had some type of dysfunction. He actually proved to once 2356 01:51:15.039 --> 01:51:18.840 they started unloading his abilities, and that started really and 2357 01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:22.199 you know, as the playoffs started to unfold, man, he 2358 01:51:22.239 --> 01:51:26.159 looked really, really good. And I think the glow up, 2359 01:51:26.199 --> 01:51:29.279 if you will, from the Michigan game to the very 2360 01:51:29.359 --> 01:51:31.960 end of the college football playoffs and culminating last night 2361 01:51:32.319 --> 01:51:34.439 in the win over Notre Dame of Will Howard might 2362 01:51:34.439 --> 01:51:37.359 have been the best in college football. He was playing 2363 01:51:37.399 --> 01:51:39.560 at the end like as well as any quarterback in 2364 01:51:39.600 --> 01:51:42.000 the in the country. In fact, I'm starting to second 2365 01:51:42.039 --> 01:51:45.600 guess some of these, these these draft narratives that it's 2366 01:51:45.600 --> 01:51:49.279 a Shador Sanders and cam Ward conversation. I'm like, this 2367 01:51:49.359 --> 01:51:50.880 Will Howard, dude, if he would have played like that 2368 01:51:50.920 --> 01:51:52.199 all year, I don't know if that would have been 2369 01:51:52.239 --> 01:51:52.600 the case. 2370 01:51:53.800 --> 01:51:56.199 Yeah he was, uh, yeah, he was great. And I 2371 01:51:56.199 --> 01:51:57.720 do want to get there in just a moment. But 2372 01:51:57.840 --> 01:52:00.840 let's stick with the current situation where we find ourselves 2373 01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:03.560 and let's move from Ohio State to Notre Dame and 2374 01:52:03.640 --> 01:52:04.399 Marcus Freeman. 2375 01:52:04.560 --> 01:52:07.359 This wonder kins rise. I mean, you were a coach. 2376 01:52:07.399 --> 01:52:09.520 Can you imagine that your first head coaching job is 2377 01:52:09.640 --> 01:52:12.560 Notre Dame at the age of thirty five, and obviously 2378 01:52:12.600 --> 01:52:15.600 that fan base expects as much from their football team 2379 01:52:15.640 --> 01:52:18.600 as any other. What stands out, Mike most to you 2380 01:52:18.640 --> 01:52:20.359 as a guy that coached at this level with the 2381 01:52:20.359 --> 01:52:22.560 way Marcus Freeman's been able to build this thing up 2382 01:52:22.600 --> 01:52:25.039 over just four years at the precipice of almost winning 2383 01:52:25.079 --> 01:52:26.159 the national championship. 2384 01:52:26.800 --> 01:52:29.319 Yeah, Marcus Freeman's been really impressive. I got to know 2385 01:52:29.399 --> 01:52:31.119 him a little bit just because that's the place I 2386 01:52:31.159 --> 01:52:34.800 was an offensive coordinator at. We had some crossover in 2387 01:52:34.880 --> 01:52:37.479 terms of people that we've worked with. Mike Denbrock and 2388 01:52:37.479 --> 01:52:39.319 I were a bit of a two headed monster there 2389 01:52:39.359 --> 01:52:43.119 as an offensive play calling tandem back in twenty fifteen 2390 01:52:43.119 --> 01:52:45.640 and twenty sixteen at Notre Dame. My dad coached at 2391 01:52:45.640 --> 01:52:49.079 Notre Dame. My sister graduated from there, so you know, 2392 01:52:49.319 --> 01:52:52.319 I've lived there twice in two different stages of my life, 2393 01:52:52.479 --> 01:52:54.640 both as a kid and then as a working adult 2394 01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:55.720 in the industry. 2395 01:52:56.239 --> 01:52:56.439 Man. 2396 01:52:56.760 --> 01:52:59.880 I'll be honestly, this was a really impressive year for 2397 01:53:00.079 --> 01:53:03.119 Notre Dame. Even the game last night I think really 2398 01:53:03.159 --> 01:53:06.479 stood tall with regards to how much they were willing 2399 01:53:06.520 --> 01:53:10.279 to step into the fight of battling adversity, you know, 2400 01:53:10.439 --> 01:53:14.279 getting down early in games, and you know, even overcoming 2401 01:53:14.279 --> 01:53:17.119 the Northern Illinois loss and how they bounce back from. 2402 01:53:16.960 --> 01:53:18.520 That was all really really good. 2403 01:53:19.199 --> 01:53:21.880 Notre Dame is great in the trenches. Notre Dame is 2404 01:53:21.960 --> 01:53:25.680 really good in their defensive you know, linebacker play, edge play, 2405 01:53:26.079 --> 01:53:28.760 their offensive line plays, hoigh end play, running back play. 2406 01:53:29.479 --> 01:53:31.960 But there's just been a big problem, and I think 2407 01:53:32.000 --> 01:53:35.359 it's because even in this nil portal area era excuse me, 2408 01:53:35.399 --> 01:53:38.760 that we find yourselves in Notre Dame. You have to 2409 01:53:38.800 --> 01:53:41.159 go to school, you have to go to college. This 2410 01:53:41.239 --> 01:53:47.600 is a traditional Catholic environment education that it's in person education, 2411 01:53:48.239 --> 01:53:51.319 and so many of these schools are going to just 2412 01:53:51.560 --> 01:53:54.039 basically there's no college anymore. That's not the case to 2413 01:53:54.079 --> 01:53:56.119 Notre Dame, you know. So if you're going to transfer 2414 01:53:56.199 --> 01:53:58.279 to Notre Dame, you have to realize that you're going 2415 01:53:58.359 --> 01:53:59.920 to be going to a school where you have to 2416 01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:03.119 stay eligible by actually going to a class. What a 2417 01:54:03.159 --> 01:54:06.840 novel concept in collegiate athletics. Well, it sounds crazy, but 2418 01:54:06.880 --> 01:54:09.760 that's so rare in this day and age because of 2419 01:54:10.039 --> 01:54:13.600 everything post twenty twenty and then now in this nil 2420 01:54:13.680 --> 01:54:18.239 portal a era, everything's just going online, the online courses. Frankly, 2421 01:54:18.239 --> 01:54:20.239 who knows who's actually doing the work. That's not a 2422 01:54:20.319 --> 01:54:22.640 case of Notre Dame. And so I don't know that 2423 01:54:22.680 --> 01:54:25.640 Notre Dame will ever have the skill players. And I 2424 01:54:25.680 --> 01:54:28.600 know this is going to sound general generally, overly generalized, 2425 01:54:28.640 --> 01:54:32.159 but the skill players to compete with, Like what Ohio 2426 01:54:32.239 --> 01:54:36.439 State had They had the receiver play the DV play, 2427 01:54:37.079 --> 01:54:40.119 It was a mismatch, and I just think that that's 2428 01:54:40.119 --> 01:54:41.720 something that Notre Dame's going to have to deal with. 2429 01:54:41.800 --> 01:54:43.159 I don't know that Notre Dame's going to win a 2430 01:54:43.239 --> 01:54:47.319 national championship in my lifetime going forward. Nineteen eighty eight 2431 01:54:47.399 --> 01:54:49.680 was the last one. I thought this was a great 2432 01:54:49.680 --> 01:54:52.239 opportunity if they had gotten a turnover to to maybe 2433 01:54:52.279 --> 01:54:55.359 get one, you know, just by way of I just 2434 01:54:55.359 --> 01:54:56.960 don't know if we can get back to this spot. 2435 01:54:57.359 --> 01:54:58.840 And I don't know that they're going to have the 2436 01:54:59.119 --> 01:55:03.319 opportunity to excel in this current landscape to the extent 2437 01:55:03.399 --> 01:55:06.920 to win a title. They've been there what three times? 2438 01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:11.640 Nineteen it it was two thousand and fourteen, I believe 2439 01:55:11.800 --> 01:55:14.840 thirteen two does a thirteen national championship? Lose to Alabama 2440 01:55:15.520 --> 01:55:18.439 forty two to fourteen, and then they go and play Clemson, 2441 01:55:18.520 --> 01:55:20.960 lose thirty to three in the College Football Playoffs semi 2442 01:55:21.359 --> 01:55:23.680 and then they lose again I believe it was to 2443 01:55:23.800 --> 01:55:27.800 Georgia thirty one to fourteen. And then this one really 2444 01:55:28.039 --> 01:55:30.800 they lost by eleven points, but it just didn't feel 2445 01:55:30.880 --> 01:55:33.840 very close. Thirday just hasn't. They haven't really stood up 2446 01:55:33.920 --> 01:55:37.000 very well, very tall in these challenge in these challenging 2447 01:55:37.039 --> 01:55:38.960 games to win a national championship. I just don't see 2448 01:55:38.960 --> 01:55:39.399 it happening. 2449 01:55:40.159 --> 01:55:42.960 So is there anything to be learned? You know, it 2450 01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:47.600 doesn't matter the sport or the level. When somebody achieved success, 2451 01:55:47.760 --> 01:55:51.279 others around them tried to learn what they did, and 2452 01:55:51.600 --> 01:55:55.720 very much a copycat situation, the NBA, copycat league, the NFL. 2453 01:55:55.760 --> 01:55:58.760 I mean, obviously there are different ways to approach it, 2454 01:55:58.840 --> 01:56:01.000 but you know, if you could to bottle what the 2455 01:56:01.039 --> 01:56:03.479 Kansas City Chiefs have namely fifteen under center. 2456 01:56:03.520 --> 01:56:04.720 Maybe you try to copy that. 2457 01:56:04.800 --> 01:56:07.960 So college football now looks to Ohio State as a 2458 01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:11.239 north Star question mark to you, anything we could learn 2459 01:56:11.640 --> 01:56:13.840 helps to have twenty twenty five mil. Whatever they had, 2460 01:56:13.880 --> 01:56:16.119 but a lot of that money, Mike, as you know, 2461 01:56:16.199 --> 01:56:20.039 went to returning players instead of just transfers. And we're 2462 01:56:20.039 --> 01:56:22.039 in a market where coach win, as you know, is 2463 01:56:22.079 --> 01:56:27.119 a recruit, develop, retain win program. The best Utah football 2464 01:56:27.159 --> 01:56:29.800 teams have been with upperclassmen who have been here for 2465 01:56:29.800 --> 01:56:33.199 a while, oftentimes recruits they weren't very highly thought of. 2466 01:56:33.640 --> 01:56:36.439 And obviously Ohio State's different because they get some of 2467 01:56:36.479 --> 01:56:38.399 the best recruits every single year. But this was not 2468 01:56:38.600 --> 01:56:41.479 just a team that entered the transfer portal to get 2469 01:56:41.600 --> 01:56:43.880 fifty four new players. They had a lot of players 2470 01:56:43.920 --> 01:56:45.680 that are around for a long time, some played more 2471 01:56:45.680 --> 01:56:49.439 than fifty games. What can other roster constructors, if anything, 2472 01:56:49.760 --> 01:56:50.800 learn from Ohio State. 2473 01:56:51.640 --> 01:56:54.760 Yeah, you have to develop and recruit and develop your 2474 01:56:55.520 --> 01:56:59.199 your offense and defensive lines, your linebackers, I do your 2475 01:56:59.199 --> 01:57:01.760 tight end position. And it just seems like if you 2476 01:57:01.800 --> 01:57:03.920 look at the matchup with the quarterbacks last night in 2477 01:57:03.960 --> 01:57:06.600 that National Championship game, they're two, one and done. You know, 2478 01:57:06.920 --> 01:57:10.880 experienced quarterbacks. Riley Leonard comes over from Duke and of 2479 01:57:10.920 --> 01:57:14.079 course Will Howard comes over from Kansas State. That's kind 2480 01:57:14.119 --> 01:57:16.000 of the model. And I love what Utah has done 2481 01:57:16.039 --> 01:57:19.680 with Devin dan Pier. I think it's fantastic. But then 2482 01:57:19.760 --> 01:57:21.520 you know there's Quinn Yours was in the final four, 2483 01:57:21.560 --> 01:57:23.079 and you can you can look at him a little 2484 01:57:23.079 --> 01:57:25.319 bit more like a Jake Kretzlow that he's been developed 2485 01:57:25.319 --> 01:57:27.520 and been the starting quarterback for a couple of years 2486 01:57:27.560 --> 01:57:30.720 at YU. But if you're looking at Utah in particular, 2487 01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:33.479 you know, I think, I think they do have the 2488 01:57:33.560 --> 01:57:36.520 right pipeline and I think the Polynesian the Island pipeline 2489 01:57:36.520 --> 01:57:39.439 that they have for O line, d line linebacker, you know, 2490 01:57:39.520 --> 01:57:41.920 other positions as well. I mean, we have Denver Broncos here. 2491 01:57:43.039 --> 01:57:45.960 Devon Veley and Joan Ellis are two awesome youths that 2492 01:57:45.960 --> 01:57:47.640 are that I get a chance to watch on a 2493 01:57:47.640 --> 01:57:51.119 weekly basis. But I just think that the Utah has 2494 01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:53.319 a good chance to do something pretty special this year. 2495 01:57:53.359 --> 01:57:55.640 And you and I have talked about in you know 2496 01:57:55.640 --> 01:57:59.279 and shows in the past about I feel really good 2497 01:57:59.279 --> 01:58:02.560 about Devon damp here. But if you're looking at Ohio 2498 01:58:02.600 --> 01:58:05.000 State and a model, it's the money. I mean, you've 2499 01:58:05.000 --> 01:58:07.439 got to be willing to raise and or support twenty 2500 01:58:07.479 --> 01:58:09.239 five million dollars for if you want to go win 2501 01:58:09.239 --> 01:58:12.439 a national championship. Hard part is that that's not a guarantee. 2502 01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:15.279 Because it's sure he didn't look like it's guarantee about 2503 01:58:15.520 --> 01:58:19.359 week twelve of the college football season for for Ohio State. 2504 01:58:19.720 --> 01:58:21.600 And if you think about who are the people that 2505 01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:24.640 are investing that kind of money, and if you're not 2506 01:58:24.640 --> 01:58:27.680 getting return on investment, is that repeatable? Is there going 2507 01:58:27.760 --> 01:58:28.359 to be you know. 2508 01:58:28.439 --> 01:58:28.520 Some. 2509 01:58:30.239 --> 01:58:33.399 You have to be like some exhaustion from donor fatigue 2510 01:58:33.960 --> 01:58:36.760 of giving money and not seeing return on investment. So 2511 01:58:36.840 --> 01:58:38.439 there's a lot of challenges and I think we're just 2512 01:58:38.439 --> 01:58:42.680 starting to see some of some of the potential ramifications 2513 01:58:42.720 --> 01:58:45.439 of how much money is being thrown into one season 2514 01:58:45.479 --> 01:58:46.720 of college football. 2515 01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:51.840 So now that we have the twelve team CFP behind us, Mike, 2516 01:58:52.359 --> 01:58:55.079 I wonder what your takeaways are as far as whether 2517 01:58:55.119 --> 01:58:56.880 or not you like the format, whether or not you 2518 01:58:56.920 --> 01:58:59.479 think it's going to need to be changed, and whether 2519 01:58:59.720 --> 01:59:01.319 or not you think it will be changed. 2520 01:59:01.319 --> 01:59:02.119 What are your thoughts on. 2521 01:59:02.079 --> 01:59:04.600 This well, you know the one thing, Spence, that I 2522 01:59:04.640 --> 01:59:08.079 live in a pro sports market but does have college football. 2523 01:59:08.079 --> 01:59:10.960 I mean, between Colorado and even the run they made, 2524 01:59:11.279 --> 01:59:13.640 they were close to being in the CFP at one point, 2525 01:59:13.720 --> 01:59:17.439 you know, week eleven, week twelve, a season. Man, it 2526 01:59:17.520 --> 01:59:20.640 just seemed like Monday night. Even when I woke up 2527 01:59:20.760 --> 01:59:24.239 Monday morning, it didn't feel like a National College Football 2528 01:59:24.319 --> 01:59:28.640 Championship game day. It just something seemed just seemed to ry. 2529 01:59:28.720 --> 01:59:30.760 And I don't know if it's that this thing bled 2530 01:59:30.800 --> 01:59:35.640 too far into the NFL's postseason, that I live in 2531 01:59:35.640 --> 01:59:37.960 a pro sports town. The NFL is king here for sure, 2532 01:59:38.000 --> 01:59:40.279 in the NFL is king nationally, There's no doubt about it. 2533 01:59:40.439 --> 01:59:42.840 Look At that Chiefs game that they had against the 2534 01:59:42.960 --> 01:59:45.960 Texans drew thirty two and a half a million viewers, 2535 01:59:46.000 --> 01:59:49.119 which is an all time record for ESPN for any game, 2536 01:59:49.199 --> 01:59:52.479 any sport, any time of year. I just think that 2537 01:59:52.520 --> 01:59:53.159 this needs to. 2538 01:59:53.159 --> 01:59:54.279 Move be moved up. 2539 01:59:54.720 --> 01:59:58.319 Because as much as the CFP accomplished what it set 2540 01:59:58.359 --> 02:00:01.760 out to accomplish, I went to a CFP game. I 2541 02:00:01.800 --> 02:00:03.840 went to watch. I want to see my alma mater, 2542 02:00:03.920 --> 02:00:06.720 Boise State play against Penn State. And while you know 2543 02:00:06.840 --> 02:00:09.640 that it seemed like a great atmosphere. It just didn't 2544 02:00:09.680 --> 02:00:11.640 I don't know, it didn't have the juice that I 2545 02:00:11.640 --> 02:00:14.560 expected being in the building. It just felt like, I 2546 02:00:14.600 --> 02:00:16.800 don't know, it's like, this is such a long process. 2547 02:00:17.159 --> 02:00:21.479 I want to see the college football decision makers and frankly, 2548 02:00:21.520 --> 02:00:23.680 the TV money I think would be even through the 2549 02:00:23.720 --> 02:00:26.680 roof if you moved the season more into mid August, 2550 02:00:27.119 --> 02:00:29.159 and whether you start with a week zero I still 2551 02:00:29.159 --> 02:00:32.039 think that this Army Navy Week zero only game on 2552 02:00:32.079 --> 02:00:34.880 that weekend could be a really powerful weekend because I 2553 02:00:34.880 --> 02:00:37.920 don't believe that college football playoff and certainly the National 2554 02:00:37.960 --> 02:00:42.239 Championship should really be competing at all with the NFL 2555 02:00:42.359 --> 02:00:45.119 playoffs in the NFL postseason. I think it's a big mess. 2556 02:00:45.359 --> 02:00:47.399 I think there's a bandwidth issue. Even for somebody like 2557 02:00:47.439 --> 02:00:50.000 me that does sports for a living. The college football 2558 02:00:50.000 --> 02:00:53.119 games just there was not any memorable moment at real 2559 02:00:53.239 --> 02:00:56.800 memorable time, except for maybe the Arizona State Texas game. 2560 02:00:56.840 --> 02:00:57.600 But at the end of the. 2561 02:00:57.600 --> 02:00:59.239 Day, was that like something you're gonna remember the rest 2562 02:00:59.239 --> 02:01:01.319 of your life. There was nothing out of this twelve 2563 02:01:01.319 --> 02:01:03.119 team playoff that really stood out to me. I'd love 2564 02:01:03.119 --> 02:01:05.439 to hear from you and your opinion, but it just 2565 02:01:05.479 --> 02:01:09.079 didn't feel like it really captured the emotion of America 2566 02:01:10.359 --> 02:01:12.079 in this first year of it. 2567 02:01:12.239 --> 02:01:14.199 So here's my assertion, Mike, can you tell me if 2568 02:01:14.239 --> 02:01:16.680 you think this is even possible, because I believe college 2569 02:01:16.680 --> 02:01:19.600 football should be played on college football campuses, and I 2570 02:01:19.680 --> 02:01:23.359 mean like every single game, maybe outside of the final game. 2571 02:01:23.479 --> 02:01:26.840 Joel Klattz idea is to make the Rose Bowl college 2572 02:01:26.840 --> 02:01:29.600 football's answer to the Super Bowl. Is there a way 2573 02:01:30.199 --> 02:01:33.560 to reward teams in communities so they don't have to 2574 02:01:33.600 --> 02:01:36.479 travel to Atlanta and then Dallas and then back to 2575 02:01:36.520 --> 02:01:39.199 Atlanta or whatever. So you can play all of these 2576 02:01:39.239 --> 02:01:43.159 games on college campuses because that would capture the passion 2577 02:01:43.199 --> 02:01:46.159 you're talking about. And then save the final game of 2578 02:01:46.199 --> 02:01:48.439 the season for what Joel Clatt believe should be the 2579 02:01:48.560 --> 02:01:51.720 Rose Bowl and preserve the bulls that are in place, 2580 02:01:51.760 --> 02:01:54.840 because the bulls that are in place simply employ a 2581 02:01:54.880 --> 02:01:57.880 lot of people, and they will not go away quietly. 2582 02:01:57.960 --> 02:02:00.479 They want their place at the table because people want 2583 02:02:00.520 --> 02:02:03.399 to keep their jobs. So that's my thing that I 2584 02:02:03.439 --> 02:02:05.279 feel like not a lot of people have discussed. I 2585 02:02:05.279 --> 02:02:08.399 think college football is meant to be played on college campuses. 2586 02:02:08.880 --> 02:02:10.279 Is there a way they could pull that off. 2587 02:02:11.199 --> 02:02:13.399 I think there's certainly a way you could pull it off. 2588 02:02:13.479 --> 02:02:15.760 I mean, you're you're going to deal with a lot 2589 02:02:15.800 --> 02:02:18.560 of the weather issues and a lot of the excuse making. 2590 02:02:18.600 --> 02:02:20.439 But you know, at the same time, you know, if 2591 02:02:20.439 --> 02:02:21.800 you want to you want a home game, and you 2592 02:02:21.840 --> 02:02:25.439 need to perform better in your regular season and your 2593 02:02:25.439 --> 02:02:29.520 conference play. I think there's an equity issue, even Notre 2594 02:02:29.640 --> 02:02:32.039 Dame not having to be forced to play a conference 2595 02:02:32.119 --> 02:02:36.079 championship game. You know, there are some issues. You think 2596 02:02:36.079 --> 02:02:39.039 about the teams that were in the national championship game 2597 02:02:39.079 --> 02:02:43.159 last night didn't play in a in a in a 2598 02:02:43.279 --> 02:02:46.479 in a conference championship game, right, both Neither one did. 2599 02:02:46.680 --> 02:02:50.399 So that's one less game because Ohio State, I believe 2600 02:02:50.399 --> 02:02:53.479 the Big Ten the Big Ten championship game was was 2601 02:02:53.560 --> 02:02:57.600 Penn State and Oregon. Correct. Correct, that's an that's an 2602 02:02:57.640 --> 02:03:00.800 extra game. You know, there's a there is inequity issue 2603 02:03:00.800 --> 02:03:03.279 in college football. I mean Notre Dame is I mean 2604 02:03:03.319 --> 02:03:05.720 that that certainly stands out that they, no matter what, 2605 02:03:05.720 --> 02:03:07.880 would not have to play in a conference championship game. 2606 02:03:08.920 --> 02:03:10.680 But yeah, I mean I think I like the idea 2607 02:03:10.720 --> 02:03:12.479 of Spence, I do. If you do that, I think 2608 02:03:12.520 --> 02:03:14.640 you really do have to move everything up a bit. 2609 02:03:15.439 --> 02:03:17.359 I think you want to. You don't want two week 2610 02:03:17.399 --> 02:03:20.000 breaks in this college football playoffs or even ten twelve 2611 02:03:20.079 --> 02:03:23.119 day breaks. I think you should just stick with whatever date, 2612 02:03:23.199 --> 02:03:27.000 like Thursday Friday, those are Thursday Friday night or that's 2613 02:03:27.159 --> 02:03:29.319 those that's when the college football playoff games are, and 2614 02:03:29.359 --> 02:03:31.560 it's every six seven days, boom boom boom, and just 2615 02:03:31.640 --> 02:03:34.319 let it go so that people can know what you know, 2616 02:03:34.359 --> 02:03:37.000 when the games are on. It feels like there's some 2617 02:03:37.039 --> 02:03:39.880 type of schedule. I mean, I found myself just, hey, 2618 02:03:39.880 --> 02:03:41.800 what one of the games is one of the college 2619 02:03:41.800 --> 02:03:43.880 football playoff games? And they're just they were like, is 2620 02:03:43.880 --> 02:03:47.000 it before the college the NFL Playoffs, the NFL Weekend, 2621 02:03:47.119 --> 02:03:50.319 is it after whatever it is? It just needs consistency. 2622 02:03:50.399 --> 02:03:53.359 I like, I like home games. There was something a 2623 02:03:53.399 --> 02:03:55.920 little bit strange, Like I loved all the build up 2624 02:03:56.239 --> 02:03:59.479 to having college football playoff games on home sites, like 2625 02:03:59.520 --> 02:04:02.279 the Notre Dame Indiana game is like beautiful to see, 2626 02:04:02.640 --> 02:04:04.640 but when the game started, it just didn't feel like 2627 02:04:04.680 --> 02:04:06.399 a playoff game in me, Spence, I don't know why 2628 02:04:07.079 --> 02:04:10.000 you can agree and we can agree to disagree, but 2629 02:04:10.079 --> 02:04:13.279 just watching it, it didn't feel like the magnitude of a 2630 02:04:13.319 --> 02:04:16.439 playoff game like the NFL, like captures like you feel 2631 02:04:16.479 --> 02:04:19.000 that And I don't know what that is. I don't know. 2632 02:04:19.159 --> 02:04:22.359 Maybe it's just year one of it, But I don't 2633 02:04:22.399 --> 02:04:25.560 know what was the issue this year. It just didn't 2634 02:04:25.560 --> 02:04:29.680 feel it didn't feel like it was as exciting as 2635 02:04:29.680 --> 02:04:30.319 it could have been. 2636 02:04:31.159 --> 02:04:33.840 And I'm with you there, and you know, certainly, I 2637 02:04:33.880 --> 02:04:36.079 think because there are a lot of people that just 2638 02:04:36.439 --> 02:04:40.119 they belong to the church of college football and they're 2639 02:04:40.119 --> 02:04:42.079 gonna love it no matter what. And you know the 2640 02:04:42.119 --> 02:04:45.800 fact that it was seventy seven thousand people. The cheapest ticket, 2641 02:04:45.840 --> 02:04:48.119 according to Matt Brown, who joined us from Extra Points, 2642 02:04:48.199 --> 02:04:51.760 was three grand. We haven't seen the final number, but 2643 02:04:51.800 --> 02:04:55.800 I bet it's over twenty Milo. All of those numbers, Mike, 2644 02:04:55.920 --> 02:04:57.800 indicate that you and I can debate about what they 2645 02:04:57.840 --> 02:04:59.399 need to change, and they can send us their p 2646 02:04:59.479 --> 02:05:01.119 and l stay and and say tell us what we 2647 02:05:01.199 --> 02:05:03.199 need to change. This feels like for the people that 2648 02:05:03.199 --> 02:05:06.199 are in charge of making decisions, this first iteration of 2649 02:05:06.239 --> 02:05:09.640 the twelve team CFP was a massive, massive success. 2650 02:05:09.960 --> 02:05:11.800 Yeah, you know, I mean, did you see some of 2651 02:05:11.840 --> 02:05:15.680 the ticket prices though on like for example, you know 2652 02:05:15.960 --> 02:05:17.359 some of the some of the I guess it'd be 2653 02:05:17.359 --> 02:05:21.520 the second round and third round games that were traditional 2654 02:05:21.680 --> 02:05:25.079 bowls like the Fiesta Bowl for example. I mean almost 2655 02:05:25.399 --> 02:05:27.279 I ended up going to the Fiesta Bowl. And I 2656 02:05:27.640 --> 02:05:29.840 worked as a credential member of the media for the 2657 02:05:29.840 --> 02:05:33.119 Boise State media, and so I didn't pay for tickets, 2658 02:05:33.119 --> 02:05:35.159 but I wanted to bring my family. And the original 2659 02:05:35.199 --> 02:05:37.439 ticket prices were like three hundred and fifty bucks something 2660 02:05:37.680 --> 02:05:41.399 along those lines to buy through the Athletic department, you know, 2661 02:05:41.520 --> 02:05:45.039 the official allotment. Well then I checked. I checked ticket 2662 02:05:45.079 --> 02:05:47.640 prices the day before the game. For this is Penn State. 2663 02:05:47.680 --> 02:05:50.279 We're talking about Penn State, Boise State, and Boise State 2664 02:05:50.319 --> 02:05:52.640 travels really well, I mean the tickets were in the 2665 02:05:52.640 --> 02:05:56.199 eighteen to thirty dollars range on the on the aftermarket, 2666 02:05:56.760 --> 02:05:58.279 and then you show up to the game and there's 2667 02:05:58.399 --> 02:06:01.439 there's full corners of the festibul that are completely empty, 2668 02:06:01.960 --> 02:06:03.680 you know, and so I think that, yes, the National 2669 02:06:03.720 --> 02:06:06.760 Championship Game, I think you hit because you got Notre Dame, 2670 02:06:06.800 --> 02:06:09.920 you got Ohio State. These are two fanatical fan bases 2671 02:06:09.920 --> 02:06:14.039 and wildly how the State's won This was their third 2672 02:06:14.119 --> 02:06:16.840 national championship since nineteen sixty eight. I don't if you 2673 02:06:16.960 --> 02:06:19.560 realize that, Matt's you think about how the State as 2674 02:06:19.560 --> 02:06:23.560 a perennial national champion team three that in that timeframe, 2675 02:06:23.960 --> 02:06:26.760 that's pretty wild. Notre Dame is not one one since 2676 02:06:26.840 --> 02:06:28.800 nineteen eighty eight. So this was a big moment in 2677 02:06:28.840 --> 02:06:32.479 time for both those programs that have very passionate fan bases. 2678 02:06:33.159 --> 02:06:35.720 But I was surprised by some of the lack of 2679 02:06:35.880 --> 02:06:41.039 just sheered excitement, certainly for some of the second and 2680 02:06:41.079 --> 02:06:43.840 third round games of the college football playoffs. 2681 02:06:43.880 --> 02:06:45.840 Mike, before I say you lose, I know we have 2682 02:06:45.920 --> 02:06:48.359 talked about this before, but a great radio mind once 2683 02:06:48.399 --> 02:06:51.079 told me radio is not linear, so for our listeners 2684 02:06:51.479 --> 02:06:53.439 it may not have been tuned in. I wanted to 2685 02:06:53.479 --> 02:06:57.479 revisit your opinion on Jason Beck as a new offensive coordinator, 2686 02:06:57.479 --> 02:07:00.319 your reference you like Devin Dampier as well, and Utah 2687 02:07:00.399 --> 02:07:04.399 football bringing in forty one new players with a fifty 2688 02:07:04.479 --> 02:07:08.159 three percent roster turnover after a year that nobody saw comment, 2689 02:07:08.239 --> 02:07:10.640 including me, including you, including. 2690 02:07:10.239 --> 02:07:14.319 Them, right, So what are you expecting next year? Year two? 2691 02:07:14.479 --> 02:07:15.840 Big twelve? Utah football. 2692 02:07:16.680 --> 02:07:18.720 Well, I'm really excited about the hire of Jason Beck. 2693 02:07:18.760 --> 02:07:21.840 He has a great familiarity of the state of Utah. 2694 02:07:21.960 --> 02:07:26.399 He understands, you know, what what that program at Utah 2695 02:07:26.479 --> 02:07:28.199 is all about, and he's been on the other side 2696 02:07:28.199 --> 02:07:30.079 of that rivalry with BYU, of course. 2697 02:07:30.920 --> 02:07:32.279 But I got to know Jason. 2698 02:07:32.920 --> 02:07:35.640 I called a couple of his games, you know, followed 2699 02:07:35.680 --> 02:07:38.039 his team really closely. I did the CSU versus New 2700 02:07:38.079 --> 02:07:40.600 Mexico game, which frankly was probably one of his one 2701 02:07:40.640 --> 02:07:42.479 of their worst games. They had a pretty banged up 2702 02:07:42.560 --> 02:07:45.520 roster with missing a ton of their skill players. But 2703 02:07:45.640 --> 02:07:48.960 I'll tell you this schematically, he's one of my favorite 2704 02:07:49.000 --> 02:07:51.960 coaches in college football today. And I think it's a 2705 02:07:51.960 --> 02:07:56.600 combination of really creative shift in motion and the trick plays, 2706 02:07:57.560 --> 02:08:00.239 but also it's a quarterback driven run game, and Devin 2707 02:08:00.319 --> 02:08:02.079 dan Pier is about as good as you can find 2708 02:08:02.119 --> 02:08:04.239 both in the QB driven run game and then the 2709 02:08:04.279 --> 02:08:07.600 play actions off of that. I just love what Jason 2710 02:08:07.640 --> 02:08:09.800 Beck does. I don't think he does a really good 2711 02:08:09.880 --> 02:08:13.840 job of keeping it as simple for his own personnel 2712 02:08:14.000 --> 02:08:18.319 in this transfer portal turnover the roster era, so that 2713 02:08:18.399 --> 02:08:21.000 you can go out and and learn this offense and 2714 02:08:21.039 --> 02:08:25.119 it's easily ingested and then easy to go execute. But 2715 02:08:25.239 --> 02:08:28.119 it's really difficult for teams to defend. And that's something 2716 02:08:28.119 --> 02:08:30.439 that I saw, and I think that that's the secret sauce. 2717 02:08:30.479 --> 02:08:32.800 In this day and age, a lot of people run 2718 02:08:32.840 --> 02:08:35.319 an offense in a box, like the air raid or 2719 02:08:36.000 --> 02:08:39.239 certainly like the Art Riles Baylor system that you know 2720 02:08:39.359 --> 02:08:42.319 Lane Kiffin's running and the University of Tennessee with Josh 2721 02:08:42.399 --> 02:08:45.000 Hipel's running. I think those systems are pretty easy to 2722 02:08:45.039 --> 02:08:48.520 defend if you don't have elite personnel everywhere. And I 2723 02:08:48.560 --> 02:08:51.319 think that what Jason Beck does is he gives enough 2724 02:08:51.479 --> 02:08:56.399 eye candy, enough misdirection and just the threat of the 2725 02:08:56.479 --> 02:09:01.359 trick play week by week that it does defenses really 2726 02:09:01.439 --> 02:09:03.800 much on their toes and they're guessing. And so I'm 2727 02:09:03.840 --> 02:09:06.399 really excited about Jason Beck. I think he's a great man. 2728 02:09:06.840 --> 02:09:09.000 I think he's gonna be a great fit. And you know, hey, 2729 02:09:09.000 --> 02:09:11.239 I'm just gonna throw a little bit of my advice, 2730 02:09:11.840 --> 02:09:14.800 not that it's necessarily desired or not, but you've got 2731 02:09:14.800 --> 02:09:18.239 a really good offensive coordinator. They're at University of Utah, 2732 02:09:18.279 --> 02:09:22.479 so let him cook. And I'm talking fans. I'm talking 2733 02:09:22.720 --> 02:09:26.720 head coach. I'm talking defensive coordinator. Let Jason Beck be 2734 02:09:26.760 --> 02:09:29.479 a really good offensive mind and stay out of his kitchen. 2735 02:09:29.720 --> 02:09:30.520 Let the man cook. 2736 02:09:31.159 --> 02:09:33.560 Oh, Mike, I guess you've never met college football fans. 2737 02:09:33.600 --> 02:09:37.840 I love the message. But you you know, you know how, 2738 02:09:38.399 --> 02:09:40.479 and you know what's rough, man. It's always the OC, 2739 02:09:40.720 --> 02:09:43.079 isn't it. It's always the offensive coordinator of the falls. 2740 02:09:42.840 --> 02:09:43.399 On the show, you know what. 2741 02:09:43.439 --> 02:09:45.479 It's that way in the state of Utah. And I 2742 02:09:45.520 --> 02:09:47.239 love the state of Utah. I love coaching in it. 2743 02:09:47.279 --> 02:09:49.880 I was the offensive coordinator at the Utah State. There 2744 02:09:49.920 --> 02:09:53.199 definitely is a culture defensive minded head coaches at most 2745 02:09:53.239 --> 02:09:56.520 of the schools in that state. Certainly, like you look 2746 02:09:56.520 --> 02:09:58.680 at the history of the last couple decades since Ervin 2747 02:09:58.720 --> 02:10:01.600 Meyer was at Utah, there's a lot of meddling with 2748 02:10:01.680 --> 02:10:04.800 the offensive coordinator position. Let the man coach and he 2749 02:10:04.840 --> 02:10:07.159 will do a great job. That's my advice to anybody 2750 02:10:07.279 --> 02:10:10.279 who wants mine. Yeah, so I'll give that unsolicited. 2751 02:10:09.680 --> 02:10:12.359 Well said, and we do want your advice because you've coached. Okay, 2752 02:10:12.399 --> 02:10:14.479 So I appreciate the time, my friend, have a great week. 2753 02:10:14.479 --> 02:10:15.479 We'll get you back on soon. 2754 02:10:16.119 --> 02:10:17.720 Yeah, I appreciate you Spence all right. 2755 02:10:17.800 --> 02:10:21.359 Mike Sanford junior, longtime college football coach, played his college 2756 02:10:21.359 --> 02:10:24.000 ball at Boise State, where he's a good quarterback. Appreciate 2757 02:10:24.039 --> 02:10:26.439 Mike's time doing the media rounds these days. That coach 2758 02:10:26.520 --> 02:10:30.319 underscore Sandford two is where you find him